But Are There Dragons Podcast
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But Are There Dragons Podcast
Season 5 Episode 3: Our Verdict on Fourth Wing: Chapters 20 through 39
Join Jess and Kritter once again, this time for the second half of Fourth Wing by Rebecca Yarros, chapters 20 through 39. How did we do with those first half predictions? Did the book keep its iron grip on us? Who won MVP? Where do we go from here? Listen and find out!
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Music credit to: Frog's Theme by Nobuo Uematsu, Noriko Matsueda, Yasunori Mitsuda
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Hello and welcome to, but Are there Dragons, a podcast where two friends pick a book at least one of them hasn't read and talk about it? I'm your host, Jess.
Speaker 2:And I'm your host, Critter.
Speaker 1:And we are back to discuss the second half of Fourth Wing by Rebecca Yaros, chapters 20 through 39. Hi Critter.
Speaker 2:Hi Jessica, how are you doing?
Speaker 1:through 39. Hi Critter, Hi Jessica, how are you doing? I'm doing good. I was glad that we got a chance to dig in and finish this book, and I'm ready to talk about it.
Speaker 2:I'm ready to talk about it too. I don't know about how you're doing this, but because whenever we did Lord of the Rings in our previous seasons, I wrote an extensive outline questions. I wanted to ask you because I was taking, you know, I wrote an extensive outline questions. I wanted to ask you because I was the veteran right and I read it before and I wanted to really dig into the details. And since I'm not doing that this time and because I'm a first time reader, I literally am just listening to the sections just like straight through, no stops. I might take occasional notes and then I have just listened to it again. So I've technically read Fourth Wing twice now in the last month because I've listened to both sections twice.
Speaker 1:I'm not surprised, because I just like forget Literally.
Speaker 2:Reading it the second time, I was like oh yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:And I had. I literally read it a week ago. So that's kind of embarrassing. But how are you doing this? What's your?
Speaker 1:process. I'm doing something similar. I also did some rereading along the way. I am not taking copious notes because I'm not the vet in this and I was honestly for all of our podcast family. She's not exaggerating. The notes that she took in our drive are extensive and intimidating and that's just not how we're doing fourth wing. This time we get the benefit you know the joy of both coming to it as first timers. So I am going through and I am just reading it at nighttime, now that we're back from our trips, and highlighting as I go. And the only thing that I'm doing differently is I did find a website that has some chapter summaries and so I've been pulling those as my refresher. So I've done a little bit of reread and a little bit of refresher with the chapter summaries, as I just pull like my top five moments and oh yeah, I really liked that and oh, that was kind of. So we're kind of doing similar refreshes, just using different techniques.
Speaker 2:Okay, I'm so glad that you reminded me that we do a top five moments thing.
Speaker 1:It'll be fine. If only I'd done it before we hit play.
Speaker 2:Good thing. I read it twice, so I should be able to and honestly, I did take little baby notes in my notes app so I'll be able to be like there are some things that I was like I liked this. I'll use those as my top things. It'll be perfect. So let's dig into this book, shall we? Yes, all right, so let's, let's let's overall impressions now that the book is done. Okay, generally speaking, how do you feel?
Speaker 1:okay, generally speaking, I feel like this is a real middle of the road read for me, and I don't want that to sound overly critical. There are some things that I really liked about the story and kept me coming back for, more obviously because we devoured it, each of us in our own ways yeah um, and and there were definitely some payoffs that we got to go with that.
Speaker 1:I'm sure we're going to talk about that a little bit more in detail, because I'm thinking of some of our predictions and how some of those things played out. Oh yeah, me too. Um, there are things about the style of writing that are not my fave that uh do kind of take me out of the moment, uh, here and there, and we touched on them a little bit last episode, and that was still true for me for the back half of the book, do you?
Speaker 2:have like an example, not to put you on the spot or anything, but like what do you? You know what do you mean?
Speaker 1:um, usually it's when the.
Speaker 1:It's usually when violet is having racy thoughts and it distracts her from whatever else is going on and I find the way that rebecca yaros is writing that to be distracting in and of itself, and I'm I think we talked about last time how I kind of viewed it, as it was a juvenile inner monologue. It was just kind of a younger voice, yeah yeah, and there are times where that's okay and it kind of rolls, and there are just other times where it, you know, kind of pulls me out of the moment. I feel like, even with Tolkien, that when we first started reading I was having trouble dealing with the narrator inserting himself, and so this is just a little bit different version of that.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Okay, I actually have a quote here in my notes and pardon the explicit nature of this upcoming quote, but it is from the inner monologue of Violet, so I assume this is part of what you're talking about. But in quotes she said holy fucking hot hot.
Speaker 1:Yes, that is one I'm like.
Speaker 2:I'm looking to see if I have any highlighted um, I have to go back, but yes, I've got more. There's another um. What I assume is what's the word for it? Double entendre, I'm not. I'm not sure, but anyways it's. Um, whenever zayden takes his shirt off and they're sparring in the gym and she says he has the largest signet she's ever seen, and that just made me immediately head in the gutter, which was amazing. And then, and then, during her inner monologue, she says and that sculpted ass. And I don't know if it's like how the audiobook narrator is narrating it, but I feel like there's really no good like compelling way to say and that sculpted ass oh, you know what that brings?
Speaker 1:a whole nother level to it. So I am the narrator, right? Maybe that's why I have such an issue with it I I have a similar issues okay, I I just had a moment where I was like I'm reading this and I think that it takes me out because I'm reading this, and I think that it takes me out because I'm reading this and, to a certain extent, it's always going to be my voice uh-huh um, and maybe that's part of it, but yes, things like that.
Speaker 1:That's a perfect example of the kind of thing that takes me out. She is, you know, lined up for battle brief and she is thinking about sex, which, you know. She's an impetuous 20 year old and sometimes those thoughts are distracting, for sure. However, they're coming across on the page, though. They're just kind of taking me out just a little bit.
Speaker 2:No, I'm right there with you. And this kind of brings us back to our conversation that we had in the first episode, which I think we can revisit now, is how we classified this book right. I said YA because there hadn't been a sex scene yet and it to me read very juvenile. I maintain that position. If you took away the explicit scenes and some of the more explicit dirty talk, a thousand percent to me it is YA. The main protagonist is childish. I mean, like she's giving high school girl right Even if she's supposed to be like 20.
Speaker 2:Honestly, in my head she's 19. I don't know. Is she 20?
Speaker 1:I think she has a birthday. I wasn't paying that close of attention. She's not a minor.
Speaker 2:Thank God. But like, yeah, 19 or 20. And she, she's just so laser focused on like she's read sometime. It's like a dog in heat and to me that that reads high schooler, but that's just where I'm at. And again, like I have this.
Speaker 2:I have this idea in my head is if, if I ever become an author which we'll see I would love to. It's actually been my dream my whole life. But have I written anything recently? No, but anyways, my thing is, romanticism is such a huge genre but I am a high fantasy girly. Right, I'm not really a romanticist girly, but it could be fun if you wanted to write and then have the option for people to like oh, but I'm romanticanticie. You can make it Romanticie by having like an appendices. So like the book is like bonus, content, bonus, content, bonus. So you read the book and then there's like an asterisk or like a footnote one. If you would like an explicit scene, please proceed to appendix 1.2. You know what I mean like. So think about, like I'm gonna whole patent that if you use that idea I think you should.
Speaker 1:I would love that, because sometimes I just don't need it.
Speaker 2:But sometimes the racy stuff is fun and honestly like depending on your mood go straight to the race right, but yeah, so I I'm not here to yuck anybody else's yeah, exactly so I'm still at the ya, except their explicit scene. Like I wouldn't put it in a ya section in the bookstore, but only because of the explicit scenes and I think for any adult adult reading this is going to read in some ways juvenile. Personally, where are you at? Do you still think it's not ya?
Speaker 1:um. So I think that I had shied away from the ya classification because I think of it, I think of ya, as like a cut off at 18, right, and I think that that was an arbitrary thing that I created in my head. Those kinds of things happen all the time, um, but I was like they're not in middle school or high school, so that was why I was departing from the YA criteria. But I agree with you that the voice of the writing overall is very young and immature, feels high school, feels very high school. I actually had this conversation with Mr Jessica the other day and he was kind of asking me what I think and I was saying she's very young and he's like, does that bother you? And I said it just really shows. And so I've had this experience. Returning to Wheel of Time, I've had this experience reading through Lord of the Rings. As an adult reader, now in my late 40s, I can't help but notice how much my perspective impacts what I'm reading about the other character and how I feel about them and the age gap that I have with the protagonist is very pronounced with violet yeah, I feel the same I, you and I
Speaker 2:are not the same age is not as big as mine, it's smaller, um, but it's still the same. You know, granted, I'm in like a whole different phase of life phase of life than she is, but, um, yeah, so that's where. That's where I'm at like never in my life when I put it in the ya section again, because I'm not going to be like, yes, high schoolers, go read this explicit content, right, but at the same time, depending on your parenting style or whatever, like well, I could see high school people enjoying this, basically.
Speaker 1:So I think, to answer your question, I do think this lives squarely in the romanticist category. Yeah, and I didn't know that did it. That's neither a plus or minus, but I think that from an accuracy standpoint, I think that's where I'd have to bin it Like. This is the category that it would go in in the library. Some of the explicit stuff is pretty explicit, and so that would be the only like heads up.
Speaker 1:If I were going to recommend it to a girlfriend, I'd still go back to the things that we talked voice of the book is a little young for me and I think that's really possibly a me problem.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I mean again, I say all these things that's like juvenile, whatever. I once again had a lot of fun reading it and I actually, in my head, like last time, I likened this book to McDonald's and I likened it to the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. This time I'm going to liken it to Twilight, and there are multiple reasons for that. One is just how I felt when I was reading it. Right, which was not overwhelmed with the quality of the work, but entertained as hell, right, entertained regardless. Number two there is a particular scene that I will recite to you Not recite, I don't have it like word for word, but a scene in which they were, I believe, in Battle Brief and Violet drops her pen and Zayden levitates it back up to her with his shadow powers.
Speaker 2:It reminded me so much of the Apple scene in Twilight. I think that was maybe only in the movie, or maybe it was in the book too. Whatever, doesn't matter. That moment solidified these books for me as on the same level as Twilight, which made so much sense because of how popular they are right.
Speaker 2:I inhaled Twilight whenever I was in high school and college and I went to the midnight premieres of the movies. I was in for Twilight, and so I understand the fervor surrounding this book because the vibes are the same. So, yeah, that's my official analysis. That's the closest I can get which. We've got a love triangle. We've got the whole nine.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, twilight is exactly where I was at with it too, and, honestly again, I'm a little bit older than you, so Twilight was like a guilty pleasure read, a thing that I was reading that I didn't want people to know I was reading because I already felt like a little too old to be reading these books, right?
Speaker 2:And I read them anyways. Whereas I believe I'm about the same age as Robert Pattinson, I actually don't know how old he is, but I'm pretty sure that's true and there was a. I had a poster of him and Kristen Stewart on like above my bed in college in my dorm room.
Speaker 1:Target demographic I was, I, I was older, I'm going, I'm just going to smuggle this book in. Actually, that's about the time I started finding ebook readers and so nobody could see what was on my Kindle and that was really nice, perfect, that's perfect, okay.
Speaker 2:So yeah, I feel like we've gotten that covered now. We've got the tone Again. It sounds like we've gotten that covered now. But I've got the tone again. It sounds like we both had fun reading it, even if we both agree that it's not like mind-blowing prose. Yeah, I think that's fair. Okay, good, um, so I guess I now I really want to just all of a sudden brag okay are you ready for this so?
Speaker 2:in the book. In the book, uh, in this, at one point she said his father put an arrow in Brennan's chest, according to Battlefield reports. The moment she said that, the moment she said that, I was like, oh, the only way you knew that is because of Battlefield reports. That's interesting, so you didn't see the whole.
Speaker 1:I highlighted that. I highlighted it and when I saw it today when I was scrolling through, I instantly thought of you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. So, oh my gosh, I just love being right everyone. And if you'll recall, in our last episode featuring the first half of this book, I just kind of predicted. I knew somehow that Brennan was still alive, and obviously this is a spoiler for the very, very end of the book. But by golly he is. And remember when I was like I bet he joined the rebellion.
Speaker 1:Heck yeah, by golly he did Right out of the park. Critter hits it right out of the park. The crowd goes wild. I loved it. I was so stoked for you. So that last little bit, that last chapter, switches to Zayden's voice, but as the end of chapter 38, she passes out hearing a familiar voice. I'm like this is it? This is Critter's moment. Here it comes.
Speaker 2:And they were like we have to get her to him and I literally was like pause, who's him?
Speaker 1:I actually went it better be. I just said it better be or else.
Speaker 2:And it was which is amazing. Now we get to meet Brennan. We got to meet Brennan ever so briefly, for half a second, for half a second. So there were a couple of bonus scenes from Zayden's perspective, one of which was the knife, the scene where Violet's sparring partner got sick early or whatever, and Zayden volunteered to fight her. Like we got that scene from his perspective also. Oh, and then there was one more, and I can't remember what it was, which makes me embarrassed that makes me sad.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I can't remember which scene it was, now which, because I didn't reread that one, um, I ran out of time. But yeah, so that exists. It was interesting. It's it's in the audiobook, narrator too changed for that, so like they had a woman the whole time, um, and then for the final chapter that was from zayn's perspective and those other ones, it had a dude and that guy's voice it just I don't know why, but it kind of bothered me because it was like it kind of just reminded me of like the guy that you would cast as the villain in like a high school football tv show where he's like kind of a douche, you know whatever. So it was like arrogant, yeah, but like obviously Zayden's supposed to kind of be arrogant, so I guess that works. But I don't know, I don't know how I would have cast his voice, but that one was just kind of it was just like okay, and then violet is just the hottest babe ever, and I don't know.
Speaker 2:It was just okay not my favorite, um, so if you have the audiobooks and you listen to those chapters, please let me know if I'm alone or if you really like that narrator and if you did power to you.
Speaker 1:And tell me what the other scene is that I'm missing out on?
Speaker 2:I think it might be threshing Now that I'm thinking of it. I think it might be threshing where Violet's taking on the three guys, but I really would have to look. I truly can't remember.
Speaker 1:I'm pretty sure that when the book ended for me it went straight to acknowledgements, but I'll go back and look and see if there's something in writing that I missed.
Speaker 2:It might've been just an audio book thing.
Speaker 1:It might've been. So, yeah, I was so pumped for you, for Brennan, for that prediction and that it was the book cliff cliffhanger right, like I thought that it was like a double slam dunk, whatever the equivalent would be. I don't sports, but it was so awesome. Whatever I don't basketball, I should say I don't. I don't know basketball, but it was a two for one for you, because it was not only a killer prediction from you know, a thousand yards off but it was also the book cliffhanger, so that was wonderful.
Speaker 1:I felt vindicated in my prediction that Zayden had been into her basically from the beginning. I felt very justified and vindicated in that, as you should have. And also that there was sketchy stuff going on Like this does not that I I'm not an anti-establishment person, but it seems like everything isn't as the Navarians are painting it, and hoo boy is that very true?
Speaker 1:So true, and I think I also went on the record and said I think that the book of fairy tales is going to be relevant and there it was and there it was. So I was like I love being right almost as much as you do, maybe even a little bit more maybe we're tied.
Speaker 2:I'll allow it that we're tied.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah because yours was stellar, Like yours was a primo pull. I feel so good about it.
Speaker 2:Speaking of like not seeing a body and not believing it, did you have the instinct of when Jack Barlow died? My instinct was no body. I'm not 100% convinced. Yeah, okay, yeah, okay, violet's like there's no way he survived that. And then we didn't hear anything else besides like what was it her dragon be like? Oh his dragon.
Speaker 1:Nobody can hear his voice anymore yeah, yeah, what do you mean?
Speaker 2:what, what, what? His dragon couldn't hear him anymore oh okay, I didn't remember that line. I was thinking now i'mguessing myself, but it was some comment to the. Tern said something along the lines of his dragon will pick another rider when he or she is ready, and to me that implied like okay, so Tern knows that the dragon is mourning, for sure, right? But I don't actually know that, right, you don't? I mean, it seems like he's not like how wild and like like so you went up a cliff, didn't he how so?
Speaker 2:you. Would it be if he shows up like in book three? It would be. I think he was, you know, the primary villain, other than obviously, like the the venin um for this book, and seeing him die was very satisfying. Yeah, so, speaking of um, how do you feel about violet's signet power?
Speaker 1:I love it. Uh, lightning power is super awesome. Um, I do love the fact that she did not immediately get the skill of aiming. Yeah yeah, that was refreshing that she's not just like Mary suing all over the place. Yeah, she wasn't just crushing it right out the gate.
Speaker 2:No Right.
Speaker 1:I do think that when it came to the big fight with the Venon, she was very OP, like it felt as though she was, and I I understand, and you will know that my background with wheel of time I'm like she's going to burn herself out.
Speaker 1:Whatever this world's equivalent is of burning herself out Like she is flinging lightning left and right. So that was pretty intense. Yeah, that part there, Um, yeah, but I loved the fact that it was lightning. I also liked the fact there was a brief nod in there for a second that she was a little upset that you know, her power it can only be used in war. Like her power isn't good for anything other than warfare.
Speaker 1:And it was just a little thing, but I thought that it was a good nod to the nature of powers and how they're really kind of arbitrary in this world and you never know what you're going to get, and that's a perspective.
Speaker 2:You know that she can't use it for anything other than death and murder and and war, like that's all she can use it for I feel like we'll come to find another way for her to use it right, because that Venon said like you have the power to, you know, control the skies and all that, and I just I refuse to believe that that if you define it that way, if it's not just lightning but it's power to control the skies, there's going to be some kind of method.
Speaker 2:If her lightning powers the wards that would be cool, right, like there's gonna be some way. That because because not like she mentioned in the book that it made sense to her why people's signets were people's signets, right? Not dave dane?
Speaker 1:dave dave.
Speaker 2:Let's call him dave from now on dragon rider dave okay.
Speaker 2:So dave um, you know he's, he needs to know everything. He's a little nosy pants and that's why he has his power. And zayden is like you know, he's a he's a mysterious person, so he's a shadow wielder. It's just like there were. She said oh my gosh, everybody signet makes so much sense now that I think about it. And then hers is this massively destructive thing and I I just thought why? Like, if that's true, she doesn't strike me as a massively destructive person. So what's, what's the connection? And I feel like we're going to find out what that connection is.
Speaker 1:So she's like the first pokey revolution of herself right now, and as she grows into this power, she'll have more control and she'll go super scion at some point. That's why I'm saying like if she docks into the ward, the ward, somehow they have this ward. Yeah, like I don't know, maybe I think it could work.
Speaker 2:I think put the pieces together more than destructive.
Speaker 1:That's that's so since you brought up dragon rider, yeah, yeah. Let's talk about taking somebody's memories without consent.
Speaker 2:Boo, wow, boo. So on my recent reread, I was literally listening to it at two times speed. Today there's a scene that came up where he put his hand on her cheek. That wasn't the scene where he read her memories. It was actually the day after or like sometime after.
Speaker 2:Um, they kissed, and so I was like okay, well, if he read her memories there he would be so pissed off. So clearly he didn't do it every time he touched her. Yeah, um, but still still horrible. And and the way she was like, oh yeah, that's how he always touches me. Later I was like, really, that's a weird, like touching, cupping somebody's face is kind of an intimate way to touch. But then, upon reread, he had done it before. So okay, point taken.
Speaker 1:But yeah, what an asshole, holy yeah yeah, I really don't have much use for dane yeah, sorry, I thought I was expecting you to say Dave. Him either. I don't like either of them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that guy can go to hell, Like straight to hell. Also, speaking of names the wing leader who got executed.
Speaker 1:Amber.
Speaker 2:Amber, I don't. I wasn't reading, and so the audiobook narrator. The way that she said Amber's dragon's name was Clyde.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, clyde. So I was like Clyde the dragon. It's spelt C-L-A-I-D-H, so probably.
Speaker 2:Clyde yeah.
Speaker 1:I've been saying Claude.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's way cooler sounding.
Speaker 1:Claude-a-ring Claude, like I've been just Claude. Oh, that's way cooler sounding. Claude-a-ring Claude, Like I've been just making it up. And also some of these I don't even try to pronounce in my head, I just skip over them.
Speaker 2:Oh see, I have the benefit of the audiobook so I don't have to worry about it. But then when they say, clyde, let out a roar.
Speaker 1:A little taken out of it. This is my dragon Humperdinck. This is my dragon Frank. Sorry, rupert, where are you?
Speaker 2:I'm a dragon, so that made me laugh. I thought it was funny, okay. So, oh, oh, okay. Another scene that I thought of, speaking of people that we hate her mom at the like several, several times we saw her mom, at least a couple anyways. One of the times she was her mom was like oh, you haven't manifested your signet yet, or like you have, um, huh, that's, you know it. So it reminded me of I liken it also to um the harry potter book I think it's the fifth one or the sixth one where dumbledore's ignoring harry. Um, I'm not going to spoil anything more than that, other than that dumbledore's ignoring harry just like constantly.
Speaker 2:But we find out later mild harry potter spoilers that it was because he thought that he was putting harry in harm's way by like paying attention to him, and so that made me wonder like is her mom being this way because she's horrible, which I, I'm I'm leaning towards, or is there something else? Is she trying to keep violet like out of the limelight?
Speaker 1:so like what I was saying like she has a reason, she knows something, yeah I hope so, because I am less convinced that the mom has a past somewhere coming. So when I found out, um that the daggers that kill the venon are just like the dagger that mom has on her desk, mom is almost irredeemable for me at this point.
Speaker 1:Like I read that and I saw red and again I think it might be. I have a child who is actually a little bit older than violet. So, like, as a mom, I'm just like I'm gonna need you to have a reason for being this terrible of a human being. I'm going to need you to have something going on that I don't know about.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and I don't know how being a parent changes over time. Right, like right now, because I have like a nine month old baby. He is precious to me, you know what I mean. Like I love him more than life itself. Precious to me, you know what I mean, like I love him more than life itself, and so like, literally, I could not imagine being cruel to him for a second, and so the fact that this is happening is just like, uh, I can't really. It feels unreal. It feels unreal. So I understand that not everybody has perfect parents, um, far from it. A lot of people have horrible parents, and so the more I read this book, the more I'm thinking please, god, let there be a reason that she's acting like this, because otherwise, oh my god, she's like like s, not s, to your f, to your parent.
Speaker 1:Yeah, not a fan. Yeah, I have a really hard time with it. The only thing that I can tell you is that I tell my now grown child that he is like the physical manifestation of my heart, walking around outside of my body and I now have the added discomfort of he could make his own choices and put himself in harm's way you know, so that's. The only difference is um, your baby dragon is still somewhat containable, mine's out there, mine's out there, which I can't imagine the stress.
Speaker 2:But yeah, same.
Speaker 1:That's exactly how I feel future, you will be prepared and armed for that. Today is not the day that you have to know how to do that, but yeah, no it's super hard and I yeah when I I'm paraphrasing, but when it ever says it's just like the dagger on mom's desk and I was like, nope, excuse me, I would march into this woman's office.
Speaker 2:Literally Well. Also, it seems clear to me at least, unless they're pulling a fast one on Violet that Mira doesn't know about it either. Right, because if she knew about it, she wouldn't have told violet about the dragons that she thought she saw on the other side of the wards. Right, because she would know what they are if she was in on it I think.
Speaker 1:I think if she were in on it, she would know that brennan is alive and that everything would be really different. Um, so I don't think she's in on the rebellion piece. I'm unclear if she knows that venon exists.
Speaker 2:I don't think so see, I would think not. Because, as I said, like if she knew that venon existed, then she would probably know that wyvern existed, because, like they're an extension, yeah, the fact that she saw the dragons across the wards, yeah, like she would have said probably, like she would have either kept it from violet, because everybody's keeping that from violet, or she would have said I've seen wyvern. Not, I think I saw dragons, I don't know. I think I think she's in the dark. If I had to make a prediction, yeah, no, I would agree with that.
Speaker 1:I just I I tried to kind of separate those in my mind. Like I feel as though, you know, I feel like if mira knew about brennan, everything would be different I don't think that her reaction with her, her actions and reactions with violet would be the same. I I honestly think there's no way she could know that brennan's alive. So I don't think the mom knows that brennan's alive.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm, but I'm like, if you know that he's alive, oh, I don't know. I'm like I'm trying to think of a past that's big enough that would make what she has done to this point okay, and I'm having a really hard time encompassing anything in my brain that makes it okay, because what I've seen so far has not been okay yeah, I, I would like to think the mom doesn't know brennan's alive because letting her whole family believe it like and knowing it's not true because apparently it hit their her dad really hard, hard to like.
Speaker 2:Yeah, violet's mom's husband, um, yeah, I, just if she knows there's no coming back. That's just too wrong. Too wrong, too bad. You're officially the bad guy now.
Speaker 1:So this is going to have to be a Raffo, and I and I know that. But yeah, every this back half of the book wasn't any better than the first half in terms of, you know, general soaring gales, moral outcome. I guess I don't even know how to categorize it like. Yeah, it'll take a lot for her to be redeemed.
Speaker 2:I completely agree, completely agree. Okay, so let's put a pin in that. I have a note that I had to bring up. We talked a little bit about the writing style and I have to bring this up because I want to say I said something about this last time, but I honestly can't remember, so maybe I didn't know. I brought up the fact that when violet saw zayden for the first time.
Speaker 2:She went on and on about his appearance and then crafting him and they spent an entire year on his mouth and I thought it was funny that she used the word mouth right, because it's so odd, like it's, like it's not. It doesn't give romance novel to me, the word mouth. You think that they would use the word lips, but they didn't. Um, they kept doing, she kept doing, kept doing it. She used the word mouth instead of lips in, I swear, like a thousand places. I want to say she used the word lips one time because I noticed it on my reread. I was like, oh my God, she's heard the word lips before, literally. I was laughing about this at uh trivia the other night because I was like explaining that I'm reading this book and that you know I, I I'm enjoying it, but I've got some complaints about the prose or whatever and I gave that as an example, how she uses mouth instead of lips constantly. And my cousin was literally like, so you're reading this book and you're just picturing, like the way he did it. Oh, God.
Speaker 2:Sucked his lips in, kind of like Turtle. Have you seen the? Oh my God? What is the one with the? Oh my gosh? There's a movie where I can't remember his name but he's playing this turtle spy. This is gonna be a real problem for me. I'm gonna have to look it up. Sorry, um, I want to say his name is danny or carrie. What the heck turtle turtle? And he goes turtle turtle. Please help me. No, nobody, turtle turtle.
Speaker 1:um, sorry you got me at a total disadvantage. I don't know what this is the master of disguise I have never seen it it's the master of disguise.
Speaker 2:So, anyways, if you can picture, if you're not watching this on youtube and you're listening on on the podcast, um, I have to, I have to find it, I'm gonna and I'm gonna put this this up on YouTube so you can see who I'm talking about. But it's what the heck is this guy's name? Dana Carvey? Dana Carvey dresses up as a turtle, as the master of disguise and anyway. So he like sucks his lips in so you can't see them. And so, yes, my cousin is sitting there like with his lips sucked in, being like you're pict these, these intimate scenes with these people, and they don't have any actual lips.
Speaker 2:Oh, my god that kept picking me out of it. Sorry, that has been like the longest way for me to say that. That is one way I got sucked out of the book every single time they used the word mouth, because they used it a lot yeah, yeah, yeah, and there was, so we definitely got to explicit content we did yes um, yes, we did. You and I neither of us read a ton of romance. To see, have you read much romance?
Speaker 1:I've read a couple here and there. Okay, um, okay, um, I'm like I am not a fuddy-duddy, right, like I am not approved by nature. Yeah, same, um. I think that was the conversation, though, that I was having with mr jessica. He's like what really bothers you, I'm like, because at times I was like you know, the explicit content is it's not even the nature of what they're describing or that it's even, that it's racy, it's just, sometimes I'm just like oh, I probably didn't need all that.
Speaker 1:um, yeah, and it makes me feel bad because I'm like, I know, I'm like I'm really not a prude at heart, I don't mind. Um, and he's like so, what is it? And I'm like I'm really not a prude at heart, I don't mind, and he's like so, what is it?
Speaker 2:And I'm like I think it's because she's so young and it's like thinking about my kid having those experiences you know, not that he would, but you know, like the age disconnect is big enough.
Speaker 2:Now that I'm like, this feels inappropriate that's fair, honestly, when she like throughout the book before they did anything together, um, she kept. You know she's sexually frustrated and violet's like I miss sex and I'm like how old you're? Like 19, you're like, or 20, how much sex have you had girlfriend? You know, in my head that's what I'm thinking, because it's like you're a little baby sex have you had girlfriend? You know, in my head that's what I'm thinking, because it's like you're a little baby, like how are you so already? Just like, oh, I missed this thing that I realistically probably haven't actually done that much. I don't know, it's um, I, yeah, it was. Yeah, I think for me it was less the explicit scenes, because finally, oh my gosh, oh, I have to tell you this though, okay, so I was listening to this book on vacation and for some silly reason, we decided to drive to Minnesota from Missouri, and so it was two days broken up to like six and a half hour drives apiece and um, and I'm listening.
Speaker 2:I'm mainly riding in the back seat baby dragon, but mr critter and I switch, and so he's in the back seat entertaining the baby dragon and I'm in the front seat and I have the book on low on on the speakers, because you're not supposed to use headphones when you're driving psa, it's not safe, so, anyway. So I'm I'm listening and, wouldn't you know it, the first sex scene comes on while I'm listening to the damn book out loud in the car. And I will say that I blushed, not only because I was like well, because mr critter knew what kind of a book. It wasn't like a mystery about what I was reading, um, but I think it was just like. It felt so like cringe in some moments, like literally lightning strikes because she's orgasming. There's some things that I like I laughed out loud when that happened because I thought it was such a cheeseball thing to happen. Yeah, um, that, yeah, I felt like I don't know. I definitely was embarrassed, but I will say that their first kiss, I blushed in like a oh like this is.
Speaker 2:This is a little I like this, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I felt the same right, like I was glad to hear to have those physical moment payoffs. I, I, I did like that part.
Speaker 1:It's just I definitely have lived in a world where the sex happens off screen, yeah, for a long time yeah yeah, um, and part of that is the fact that I am drawn to more high fantasy, something that would be, you know, probably characterized as high fantasy more often than not, um, and haven't done as much romantic or romance reading, um, but I find it and I'm like I promise I'm not how many times can I say that without you know?
Speaker 1:the lady does protest too much, I don't know Um it just seemed like a lot and, like I said once, I once I talked to Mr Jessica about it, he's like what do you think it really is? I said I really think it comes down to the age difference and it makes me uncomfortable. Um, it's. It's a little voyeuristic and it feels a little inappropriate. Um, since, in my mind, I've squarely paired her off with, like someone who was young enough to be my child yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 2:I think another thing about their relationship is like I liked it better when they were bantering back and forth about things that weren't constantly physical, right like and again, not I swear I'm not approved but like after they I don't know if it was after they kissed, but like after they had sex for sure like everything they said to each other was like just wait till I get you out of your pants, or like I'm gonna punish you. You know what I mean. Like oh, I'll just like pull your pants down. Like everything they said was dirty talk. And to me that's like okay, like I understand wanting somebody, but my God, in public, when you're talking. Like it's like they were sexting each other out loud for every conversation. And so for me I was like that feels so unrealistic and I know I'm reading a book about talking dragons and magical powers and it's not realistic.
Speaker 1:But you can make the relationships realistic and it just didn't feel that way I feel like that's the crux of it, though, right I, I there are definitely things about their relationship and the physicality of it paying off that were great and I was glad that we had. There are just times where it felt like too much and it strained my experience. For the rest of the story, like, okay, great, you guys have finally gotten. You know you've gotten to the point where you've had sex and it changes your dynamic. Can you go back to having real conversations?
Speaker 2:Let's talk like real humans, and what's funny is like I kept thinking gosh, does zayden like literally only care about her appearance, like, for example, um, towards the end of the book, a quote. I can't even begin to articulate what it is about the strands her hair that pushes me straight into need to fuck her now.
Speaker 1:Territory like yep that's one of the ones that post put me right here like he just has to.
Speaker 2:Like my dude. She's been in a coma for three days, she or whatever, or a week, I don't even know. She wakes up, takes a bath, comes out and that's the first thing. You're thinking like it's wild, it just feels too lusty, it feels. It feels like lusty. That's a very good word for it just it feels like a you know, 15 year old boy who just discovered certain parts like that's, that's anyways, that's how it kind of felt.
Speaker 1:Both of them were just incredibly lusty, um and maybe, that being said, I did feel like they did a really good job she. What she did do well, though, is turning that into the betrayal moment, right, so I did feel like that.
Speaker 1:That moment paid off yeah very well yeah so when when I talk about you know the range of experiences I had with the writing, when she realized what it was he was keeping from her, that betrayal moment was very well written, I feel like, and I felt like all of those stakes that had been, you know, carefully laid for their relationship, for them finally trusting each other and, you know, being honest and being open about having feelings about each other and how that turned into the betrayal payoff, I thought she did very well with writing that yeah, I can see now you know what book two is going to be, which is him earning back her trust.
Speaker 2:Essentially right, because it's like you, one would have to think, one would have to think that's going to be what's happening. Like we all, I assume, know that he's going to in some way and it feels like she's already kind of giving him like some grace when it comes to that. And and I guess as an as readers for me at least I'm like literally get over yourself. Like you know why he was doing what he was doing. Like you have a friend who can read minds makes sense that he did what he did. So I'm over here just basically telling her to get over it. You're so obsessed with this guy. He opened up to you, he brought you on this mission across the border, he was clearly going to share things with you and just because it didn't work out exactly how he might have wanted it, now you're just punishing him forever, even though you agree with his cause and the fact that all of those other lives were in his hands.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know the 107 mended marks on his body and yeah, just so.
Speaker 2:She made me mad there. She made me mad another way that she made me mad, which is not related to the betrayal, but it's during the final battle, um, where I can't remember who was it. It was liam who killed one of the venin and the dragon died and she saw it. And then later, I think liam was like kill the, kill the riders, kill the venin, and she's like I know, I'm like kill the riders, kill the Venon. And she's like I know I'm totally going to kill the Venon, absolutely. It's like she didn't realize what was happening for so long Kill the damn venon, channel their power in to create wyvern and so like, logically, she's supposed to be the smart one.
Speaker 2:Like, think about, like, how did you not make that connection earlier in the battle? My, my dude, yeah, so anyways, that made me mad during the battle. Um, I was expecting her to realize it the moment that that that the wyvern died after liam killed the venon, and she didn't, so I got a little annoyed about that um, I mean since you brought up liam yeah that.
Speaker 1:That was heartbreaking yeah so he's one of the characters that I definitely liked that I felt like the author did a great job writing and I was attached and I was super sad to see him go.
Speaker 2:I should have known. I feel like they have what is the kill your darlings, like they have that trope or whatever it's called, you know writing tactic. And she just made him too perfect. He was so likable, but I think what it was was during the war games or whatever, the first round of them, where violet stopped time to save his life. I thought, oh okay, he's safe, like they're not gonna do this again. And then they did it again with him. I was just, I don't know, I was she. Uh, she did a really good job tricking us into a false sense of security. When it comes to liam and the fact that she ripped that safety net out from under us, I was a little pissed. Obviously I was sad more than pissed, but I was. I'm mad like that. He's gone.
Speaker 1:He was really sweet yeah, and the and the death scene was, you know, it was a tearjerker for sure. Yeah for sure but I'm gonna immediately pivot because I'm looking at the time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, smart.
Speaker 1:I have a couple of moments that I loved that I wanted to share. I can't say top five anymore because I think I've already shared two. So the first one this is kind of weird the one where Taryn kills Amber. I actually really liked that part, not because I'm bloodthirsty, but because it reminds us that these creatures are truly dangerous, like we have not seen a lot of people who have been truly injured or killed by dragons on the page, so I was like, ooh, that's a, that's a good reminder that they're lethal yeah, okay, yeah, I'm trying to think of, like, what we haven't talked about yet.
Speaker 2:Uh, oh, okay. So I don't. This isn't one of my favorite parts necessarily, actually. No, it kind of is. Um, because it was satisfying, but the whenever we found out that Jack was allergic to oranges or whatever, when he's like get that shit away from me immediately.
Speaker 2:I was like, oh, she's going to poison him. Like there's our solution, great. And then they end up fighting. He finally gets to challenge her and they fight and then she wins and whatever. Like that was pretty great, although my one complaint is she kept like, kept giving him little flesh wounds with her knife.
Speaker 2:I was expecting her to have orange extract on the knife blade and I don't know if that would cause an allergic reaction in someone who's allergic to oranges. But that's what I expected it to be, because she nicked him on the arm and then she nicked him on the side and I was like, oh my God, this is is brilliant. She's gonna like get him with poison by nicking him and then that's not what it was. She just ended up shoving it in anyways. But the fact that it worked out and she almost killed him, that was awesome. I love.
Speaker 1:I love that because I hate that guy I like the fact that she did get stronger with training, but she's still not like this unbeatable, like yeah I do like that because we're all living with the limitations of our bodies and not everybody can be unstoppable or unbreakable like not everybody gets that yeah so I was. I'm glad that she's gotten stronger um and I've liked the team building aspect of her wingmates helping her, but that she's still not invincible. One of my other moments that I really loved is I really did love the saddle.
Speaker 2:That was sweet.
Speaker 1:I like the saddle as a gift. I like the saddle as an idea. As an idea I've honestly been like, because I'm used to Dragonlance, which is an old series that I grew up reading. That was actually one of my first fantasy book series that I read. I was like why don't we have dragon saddle? Like why is this not a thing?
Speaker 2:So when he presented her with a saddle and that it includes an attachment for andarna, very cute um I, I loved that moment yeah, so we've already talked about this moment briefly, but, um, for me it was their first kiss. It was like funny that she like wakes up basically in heat and like that was a little bit of a cheeseball factor, but yeah, he teaches her how to ground. In that moment she's like really excited because she's actually exceptional at it. And oh my gosh, that's the other one we got from his perspective. Now that I'm thinking of it, I think we got that from his perspective because he, I want to say he talks no, maybe not, maybe he just mentions that.
Speaker 2:But the fact that like at some point in the book we realized that like when she was like so thrilled with herself that she did so well, he like loved that about her, like her like really triumphant smile and whatnot, um, so I felt like that was their cutest moment slash. Obviously it wasn't just cute, it was pretty lusty, but it was just. It was a nice moment and I love the like. You like you build up the tension. The tension is building. It's like forever. Will they, won't they? Obviously they're going to. When is it going to be all of that? And then that's when it happened. It was, it was not. It was a fun thing and the fact that she slipped in the thundersnow that turns out to actually have been violet signet was kind of a nice touch, because I did not clock it I don't know if you did, but I did not clock it.
Speaker 2:The first time and and then, when we find out later and then, and then on my second read, it's it mentions that she feels like a surge when that happens and I was like, how did I miss that? Like obviously, I guess I assumed it was just like emotion, you know, or lust, or whatever, but no, it was actually her power. So it was a good scene, I thought it was.
Speaker 1:So it was a good scene. I thought it was. It was a good one, um. And then I had one other standout moment, which is kind of a small moment. It wasn't like a big story mover, um, when she's reunited with mira and mira pushes her to hold on to her own identity so that she doesn't lose who she's going to be just because she's now head over heels over z yes um, both re rihanna and mira make comments about how sure you know like he's the strongest writer right now.
Speaker 1:However, yeah you have the potential to be a more powerful writer and, uh, all I can think of is that tiktok sound like he's literally just a boy, just a guy. That's perfect, um, so I liked that. I like that, you know I. I like it when women have each other's backs. Yeah for sure. Uh, riannon has been a great friend to her, and her sister has done her a solid and also has the benefit of a few more years as a dragon rider under her belt. It can be like you still need to work on you as a writer. I don't care.
Speaker 2:What's what all this is no, that was, I had forgotten about that moment. That was a really good moment, um, and that reminded me of another one kind of completely unrelated but I will say another favorite moment for me, just because it was fun, it was a good part of the story was the twist that the war games weren't actually war games, like that day that dave had read violence mind and sent them on this mission. Or, you know, his dad presumably had sent them on this suicide mission, um to test their loyalty.
Speaker 2:And then they all decided that they were going to help the town instead.
Speaker 2:That to me felt very fantasy, like high fan more high fantasy it's like no, you know, I've been trying to, um protect the 107 for this long and, uh, you know this easy thing would be to go back and just continue these stupid war games. But the right thing is going to be sacrificing myself to save the city. And everyone agreed and it was just like this awesome moment. I just like I could see it in my mind's eye, the like opening of the envelope, the shocked face, the that whole, that whole. I thought that was a good story element, um, so I'd say that was probably one of my faves, yeah, oh, and then of course, the brennan, I mean that was, which never gets old.
Speaker 2:It's not going to get old ever. So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, uh, I guess is it time to pick.
Speaker 1:I think it's time for an MVP.
Speaker 2:Uh, okay. So, uh, we have this tradition where we pick MVPs, uh, for every read that we have, and at the end of the book, we decide who the book MVP is, and it's wild that we could do that literally right now. What we did in the first one is we picked an MVP and a runner up. Runner up got one MVP, got two points. So let's do this, jessica. Who do you have as your runner up this episode? I have mine already, I think episode.
Speaker 1:Oh god, oh, I have mine already, I think. Oh, sweet, georgia brown I. I really think that my runner-up has to be liam. Okay, um, it's. It's almost a consolation prize, but he was such a good friend and he was a great uh method for her to learn more about the, the rebellion kids and what their plot was, as well as the practical aspects of uh keeping her safe and being a good dude and helping her grow in her squad.
Speaker 2:Yeah, um, I think that he was a really solid wingman and he will be missed he will be missed and I'll just jump right in and say he was also my runner-up. So yeah, so we're on the same page. Honestly, he was one of my favorite characters. It was wild to me when I started reading, rereading, that like we basically didn't really, we weren't really introduced to him until the second half of the book, like I think we might have heard that he was like the best in their year but that was it. And then we meet this whole new character essentially and fall in love with him in half of a book. So and then they got, he got. He got ripped out from us, which is really sad, but his little carvings like he was such a good friend he went to the ball thing or whatever you reunification celebration with violet.
Speaker 2:Even though he didn't have to, he yeah, he was just a really good guy and he was cute too. Like you know, after the reunification party, when they're all gathering and he's like tucking in his shirt, she's like how was your night? He's like pretty good, he's blushing, he's just like a sweet guy but then also an absolute badass.
Speaker 1:So I don't know, I liked him a lot, yeah which means I'm gonna make you go first, because you made me go first on runner up okay, I'll happily go first and I'm happy to report that our protagonist, violet, got my mvp this episode.
Speaker 2:Um, mainly because of what you said earlier, which is that in that final battle, despite her taking way too long to figure out that she needed to kill the venon in order to kill the wyvern, she was the mvp of that battle. I would say, um, and yeah, she was great. Also, just like all the work that she put in to get where she was right, like countless hours of studying and the sparring and all that stuff. Like she took her job very seriously and I feel like she made the right choice. Even though it went against her country or whatever, she still decided to protect innocent civilians, which she didn't have to, especially right after being betrayed, or seemingly being betrayed, by all the people around her.
Speaker 2:Um, and I do think that at times she took like she was. People were trying to like walk all over her, like jack was trying to provoke her. Um, you know, zayden's trying to do whatever he does. Dave is a piece of shit. Like all these people are like trying to either protect her in a way that she doesn't want to be protected or whatever, and she always kind of tried to hold her own, which is part of the reason that she got her channeling powers right, like she stood up for herself.
Speaker 2:She was, she um, didn't lose her temper, all that stuff most of the time, and so I feel like she grew as a character and did a killer job in that battle and basically sacrificed herself. So yeah, mvp for me, what about you?
Speaker 1:So I was going to do Violet too. That's great.
Speaker 2:I mean yeah.
Speaker 1:For a lot of the reasons that you said. She is still very young and that is not a crime. But at the end of the day she is very smart and she is used to having to problem solve in ways that you know you can't blunt, force, trauma your way through things. She has to think about things. She has to do other things.
Speaker 1:I thought it was brilliant the way that she handled their first um war game, where she knew came up with the idea to steal the map from her mom's office, like she is consistently thinking about things from a different angle, um, and I feel like, if anything, she grew into that more here. So all of the other things that I might sound like criticisms of her. She's done an incredible job and she really showed up for the people in that village of Resin and, yeah, I think she really deserved it. By the time the book was over, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2:So I guess that makes our calculations easy, because no one got MVP twice and Liam was our-up for both of our runner-up, which is funny.
Speaker 1:it's very uniform and um, but anyways, I guess that officially puts Violet as our MVP and I think that's the first time we voted for the protagonist the primary, unanimously, yeah.
Speaker 2:I think it is. I think it is. That's pretty wild, because last season, not last season, last episode, if you'll recall, my mvp was zayden, my runner-up was mira, your mvp was was reannon and your runner-up was zayden, wasn't it? I think so okay so zayden, I guess, is just behind violet, which is appropriate with three points. So, yeah, that makes sense. Violet is our MVP and Zayden is our runner-up, as it should be.
Speaker 1:Yes, 100%, as it should be Okay. So that brings us to the real question.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:Critter.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Are we going to keep reading the fourth wing series?
Speaker 2:Well, there's a lot that goes into that question. I'm of two minds. One of my mind says I am personally going to keep reading because it is a fast, easy read. I want to know what happens and I'm having a good time with it. Also, it's really popular and I have to know, like, why people are so so into it, Other than the fact that I think I've figured it out and that it's basically Twilight. On the other hand, as we've mentioned, the age gap between us and the protagonist and the genre itself is not as like in our wheelhouse as we might normally go, Not our first choice as far as our wheelhouse and what we might read. So, yeah, I, as I said, I'm going to read it no matter what, and so I would be happy to continue, but also I don't have to continue doing it on the podcast. How are you feeling?
Speaker 1:I am a lot of the same. You know not to bore our fans, but I'm a lot of the same. I do want to keep reading because there's enough payoff with the things that I care about and it is such an easy, pleasant read that I probably will keep going. Um, but I'm also like is this really podcast worthy material? Um, so I think that the thing that makes the very most sense is that we give the but are their dragons family a voice and help us choose whether this is something that they want us to continue to do on the podcast or if they'd like to see us go to a different IP. Um, because the alternative is is, if you and I have both said like we're going to continue to read this, then we stuck back to where we were last month, which is what are we going to read for the podcast?
Speaker 1:right so I think let's crowdsource this answer okay, okay so, but are there dragons, fam?
Speaker 2:We're not asking you what we should read. We are asking you three books in we'll probably end up finishing the series, but do we read the next one or do we not read the next one? And if we decide if you help us decide that we're not going to read the next one on the podcast, at that point Jessica and I will have a little meeting of the minds and figure out what we want to read next. So, yeah, let us know your thoughts. Let us know if you enjoyed fourth wing, if you had read it before, if you're reading it for the first time with us, if your thoughts about it align with our thoughts or deviate entirely, and if they do, that's totally, totally fine, it it? It was eye opening. It was really interesting to read, just because I knew so many people have read it and it was all over book talk and you know whatever, and so I needed to know. I needed to know, and I'm really glad that I do know now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and this was our first time with this format. So here we are.
Speaker 2:Here we are.
Speaker 1:It was a good. It was a great intro book for that, but I would love to hear what the Butter the Dragons family have to say. Same and yeah, I think that's the best way to do it.
Speaker 2:Okay, so let us know on the Discord, in the comments on YouTube, on social media, wherever you want to.
Speaker 2:Let us know, let us know which book whether we should continue reading the fourth wing, the next book in the fourth wing series Okay book in the fourth wing series okay, thank you so much for tuning in to our second regular season episode of season five and last episode of season five of but are there dragons brought to you by your hosts jessica sadai and critter xd? Don't forget to follow us at but are there dragons on youtube, instagram and tiktok andonspod? Just one T on X. You can also find your hosts on social media as CritterXD and Shelf Indulgence. That is it for today. We commend Fourth Wing to Malik.
Speaker 1:Bye.
