Season 7 Episode 6: DCC Book 3 Dungeon Anarchist's Cookbook Part 2

Welcome to But Are There Dragons, a podcast where two friends pick a book at least one of them has not read, and talk about it. For our seventh season, we're reading Dungeon Crawler Carl by Matt Dinniman! This episode covers Book 3, The Dungeon Anarchist's Cookbook, Chs 18-end, with Jessica as the vet and Kritter as the first timer!

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Transcript

Welcome Back And Reading Scope

SPEAKER_00 0:19

Hello and welcome to But Are There Dragons, a podcast where two friends pick a book at least one of them hasn't read and talk about it.

SPEAKER_01 0:26

I'm your host, Critter.

SPEAKER_00 0:28

And I'm your host, Jess, and welcome to season seven, episode six, where we are talking about Dungeon Crawler Carl's book three, the Anarchist Cookbook. Welcome back, Critter. How are you doing?

SPEAKER_01 0:42

I'm good. How are you?

SPEAKER_00 0:44

Very good. It's spring, and I'm very happy with the weather change and all that that means.

Dungeon Crawler Carl RPG Hype

SPEAKER_01 0:51

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So this segment was chapters 18 through the end of the Dungeon Anarchist Cookbook. Is that correct? Yes. Yeah, that sounds right. Right. Just in case you're keeping score. That's that's what we're talking about. No, you're good. Um, yeah. So before we talk about the book, we're we've got a segment that we've been doing now, but are there updates? I want to dive right in because we got some news very recently about a couple of different games that we are extremely hyped about. But I think we should start with the one, Jessica, that that you brought up because it makes sense given what we're reading.

SPEAKER_00 1:30

Yeah. And it's also been out a little bit longer, so it makes sense. So, in case anyone is not aware, along with Dungeon Crawler Carl book, and we had talked about in a previous episode how they are working on a live action for Dungeon Crawler Carl, there is a backer kit by Renegade Games for a Dungeon Crawler Carl RPG. So it's out there, it's available through May 15th, and it looks incredible. So it's set up tabletop RPG style. Oh, look at that. Incredible. You can see it's fully funded, but I like to back things on backer kit, even if they're already fully funded, because I like the gear and I like getting things fresh. So we wanted to share share this with everybody. Um, so there are several levels of uh pledge. Uh it's the both the role-playing game, and then there's also a card building uh module um called Unstoppable. And as you can see, there are several tiers. Uh, so check it out if that's the kind of thing you like. Uh, there's so much game reference, so much TTRPG folded in through this book series that most likely if you like the books, this might interest you. So we figured we'd bring it up to share. Like I said, it's out there. You could even play as donut. I mean, who wouldn't want to?

SPEAKER_01 2:50

The art looks super fun, and you mentioned that it's not AI, no AI with the art relevant to our discussion a couple of episodes ago, which is really, really encouraging to see. Uh, and I love that there's more than just the RPG, right? Because the first time I heard about this, I thought, my word, I barely have time to plan my DD campaign. How am I ever gonna pick something else up? And I'm still on the fence because I am also just a collector and I would love to own it so that someday I could play it. But the fact that there's also this unstoppable card game is definitely more tempting for me because I am a board gamer to my core. Granted, this would be like a deck builder, but I consider, you know, deck building games are tabletop games, so they're they're in the board game category. Um, so I see myself, if nothing else, backing Unstoppable because it's uh, you know, it looks great. Also, it looks like it comes with some stickers. Yeah. Sucker for some stickers. So it's pretty exciting times in the game, the game community. Um, so think about it.

SPEAKER_00 3:56

And I'm all I'm always a fan of when they offer different levels of pledging, right? Like not everybody has$200 to drop on a new kit or or game set or what have you. And there's a variety of levels there. Uh so we just thought we'd share if that's not in your budget or in your realm of a thing you like, no problem. But we are talking games today. We both like games. These were things that stood out to us.

Wheel Of Time Board Game Reveal

SPEAKER_01 4:22

Yes. And then um, the day that we're recording this, actually, another game that's of extreme interest to both of us just got announced. And that is War of the Dragon, the first official Wheel of Time board game. And I say official because there is another fan-made board game called Third Age that you can play on Tabletop Stimulator. Stimulator, tabletop simulator, that's a real banger. Like, as somebody who's very into board games, it is an excellent game, and it has been play tested to the gods. So if you want to try something new and you you use tabletop simulator on Steam, highly recommend Third Age. But this is not that. This is officially sanctioned, and it sounds quite a bit different from Third Age based on the gameplay. Um, so like having two in the same universe, one of them being unofficial and the other one being official, I think they can exist, they can coexist very well. So, War of the Dragon is also coming to Kickstarter, it is not out yet. But if you sign up on war of the dragon.com with your email, you can get notifications for when the campaign is going to begin. If you do that also, you'll get two bonus cards, Bella and Hopper, who are gonna be allies in the game. So that's fun. Bella and Hopper, who does with them? Um, but it's so it's if if you're interested in board games, real quick, the synopsis that I've gathered, and granted, I haven't, there's no gameplay that we can see, but based on the description, it is a two-player game. One person is playing the side of the light, one person is playing the side of the dark. If you're familiar with the Wheel of Time, apparently the plot begins at the War for the Two Rivers, the Battle for the Two Rivers in book four, and it goes all the way through the end of the last battle, which is pretty exciting. I know that there will be a miniatures option in the Kickstarter, so you can get minis to paint, or they have like little cardboard cutout options, I believe. Um, the it's let's see, it's Tableau building, set collection, and area control. So I have played 1,000, that's an exaggeration, territory control games, right? We're talking like the most fundamental territory control game would be risk, right? So you're you're battling, you're taking over territories, you're encroaching on somebody else. Like that's how that is. And I and there are some games that do that so, so well. So the fact that that's an element, I'm I'm really into it. And it also makes sense, right? Because of the nature of the story. Um the I know for a fact because I talked to somebody who's reviewing the art. But thing number one, it's not AI generated. There's no AI art, they're not doing that at all. That's included on the website, too. But I talked to a person who guaranteed that as well. Thing number two, they're they have somebody who's a Wheel of Time fan reviewing the art to make sure it is in line with the books, like in the descriptions, right? Shirium is a redhead, stuff like that. And so that is, to me, really exciting because I love things whenever they're faithful to the books, right? And it sounds like this is gonna be faithful to the books, which is really exciting. And this, if you're curious who's putting this on, this is officially licensed um by Direwf, uh digital, I believe is what it did. It's direwolf games, right? They did um Dune Imperium, which I've heard really good things about, and they also did Clank. I have Clank in Space, it's super fun. It's like a, if I'm remembering it's been ages, more of like a deck builder type game, but it also has a board, like a board surface. Um, so that could have some similarities, but I I just based on what I've seen and what I've heard and what it looks like, this is gonna be a really unique game that I'm really excited about. So the fact that it's two player is also really, really interesting to me because my husband and I are both huge gamers and we're both huge Wheel of Time fans. So the fact that we can just like drop this on the table and play against each other at any time is really pretty attractive.

SPEAKER_00 8:13

So yeah, there's a lot of big tabletop games out there that it's really hard to have fun with only two people.

SPEAKER_01 8:20

Yes, yeah, and so I'm hoping that this one is really well balanced and and is gonna be the exception to that general rule. So don't forget to sign up for the emails and stuff so you find out when it drops. And uh we'll I'm really curious to see what the Kickstarter tiers look like, other than what it sounds like there's gonna be a minis and a cardboard version. Um, but anyways, I'm hyped. I'm hyped. Do you think you're gonna back this one, Jess? Are you gonna try? Are you still trying to do that?

SPEAKER_00 8:46

Most likely. I mean, you know that we're very similar to yourselves, you know, Mr. Jeffskin and I both love. Um, I would say that I I'm not as much of a board gamer as you are. Like I know you and you and Mr. Critter play a lot more games than we do, but still we like we did.

SPEAKER_01 9:03

We did before we had a baby, right? And hopefully we'll get back into it eventually. Right.

SPEAKER_00 9:08

So yeah, there is a little bit of life gets in the way, but it would be so great just to see officially licensed Wheel of Time game. Uh, I I have a hard time believing we won't back it.

SPEAKER_01 9:21

Yeah, yeah. I'm I hope it's like reasonably priced. I assume it is. I assume it's gonna be. Um, and I'm excited that this direwolf has it, right? It sounds like they've got the reins, like you know, creative control and everything, and they've got some really good games under their belt already. So I'm yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:37

It's exciting times.

SPEAKER_01 9:38

It is exciting times. All right, so that was a good little butt are there update segment. Let us know in the comments or on Discord if you think you're gonna back one or both of these, or if you're not interested at all. And if you're not interested at all, why?

SPEAKER_00 9:52

Yeah, yeah, okay. Maybe you should give it a try.

Back To The Dungeon Plot

SPEAKER_01 9:55

Maybe, maybe. All right, let's get into the book.

Frank’s Ring And Moral Fallout

SPEAKER_00 9:58

Okay, so again, second half of Dungeon Anarchist Cookbook. Uh we left off right before it got good. Um, we left off right as some stuff really hit the fan. So first thing that pops to mind is the confrontation with Frank. Oh, okay. Okay. How do you how do you feel that went? So we had Frank come back in, he's in the Desperado Club, he is nine sheets to the wind, and very vulnerable with Carl. It was a very interesting interaction.

SPEAKER_01 10:37

Yeah, it was. Um, I got the sense the last time they saw those two that Frank was not the one that was out for blood, right? In in the way that Maggie Mai is. I got the sense that Frank was a little bit more not likely to do as well, not as ruthless. I don't know. All the basically the Frank that we saw in this read was the Frank that I would have expected to see. I did not expect the ring or why it all happened with the daughter and stuff like that. Obviously, that was a huge twist. Um, and the fact that he gave the ring to Carl and Mordecai freaked out when he saw the ring, all of that stuff, very, very interesting. But it's yeah, there's a lot, there's a lot going on with that one for sure. Um, but I've I felt bad for Frank for sure, but at the same time, you know, they were using the ring to help their daughter level up. So obviously, there's that ethical conundrum, right? Like, would you kill others to protect your own? But it's it's just a tough situation.

SPEAKER_00 11:48

Yeah, I I remember when I read it through the first time, just because even when we were going through it, you know, it just doesn't sit right. Why, why did Maggie Carl comment on it? Why does Maggie do that? She should have just healed. Why, why has that happened? And so eventually the author gives us the story and it all comes together. And for me, it fits very well, right? You understand why Maggie did what she did, but you also now understand why Frank is so resigned, yeah, and Maggie is so vengeful.

SPEAKER_01 12:19

Yeah, yeah, no, it fit together perfectly. It was a really satisfying not really an end to the setup because there's still more to come, but it was a really satisfying twist for sure in this Frank Maggie Mai plot.

SPEAKER_00 12:36

Yeah, it was a good payoff.

SPEAKER_01 12:38

For sure.

PvP Coupons Raise The Stakes

SPEAKER_00 12:39

And even before that, we got a little bit uh I had a note I had skipped over. We saw something introduced called PvP, player versus player coupons. Uh-huh. So for anybody who's new with us, critter games a heck of a lot more than I do. Is this a concept that you have encountered as in your gamer life, or was this this concept kind of come as a new territory for you?

SPEAKER_01 13:03

So there is a board game that we play called, oh, what is it? It's uh if you can't see me, I'm like looking over to my board game shelf one moment. Oh my gosh, what's it called?

SPEAKER_02 13:17

No.

SPEAKER_01 13:21

It's called Nemesis, and it is a like a spin essentially on if alien happened on a spaceship, right? And so there's a big spaceship, there are aliens spawning, you're the crew, and you're trying to get back to Earth or kill the aliens or whatever. There's like multiple objectives, and you can get points based on how you fulfill the objectives, yada yada. Well, sometimes, as I recall, again, it's been a while since I played any board game because of my life circumstances, but sometimes you can get a secret mission that involves you like winning if somebody else dies. So in that way, yeah, you know, yeah, that's there are there are certain tricksy elements to games. I'm trying I don't know if there's necessarily like a video game that I can specifically.

SPEAKER_00 14:13

Well, do they ever incentivize you to attack other players?

SPEAKER_01 14:17

Oh, sure. Okay, yeah. Like there's a mode in Call of Duty where you can get the oh my god, what should it's called like kingpin or something. I don't know. It's a it's a mission that you can elect to grab as a player, and if you grab it, it puts a a target on your back. And if people kill you, they get bonuses. So but if you survive, you get bonuses. So it's kind of yeah, it's complicated. So no, it's it's not uncommon at all. So I was not surprised. It it the the betrayal aspect of it is much more like Nemesis, where it's like, okay, we're all we're all a crew here, um, except for secretly.

SPEAKER_00 14:50

Yeah, you're you'd be okay if you're so you add that and you add that on top of the introduction of uh bounties, rewards, yeah, bounties. Yeah, so the top 10 are already walking around with targets on their back theoretically, and then you just add in the player versus player coupons and the fact that they were trying to be hidden.

SPEAKER_01 15:11

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, and I definitely like Katia's discomfort, right? Whenever she witnessed what Donut did, and the only ticket she found was Carl's. Like, I would have been weirded out too. Why could Donut not stash them in the same place? Like, did she, right? Donut said she threw Katya's away, but there's no way for us to prove that. And why would she have thrown them away in two different places? Like, that doesn't make sense to me. Um, so it just feels weird. It feels it feels weird. It's it's yucky. And the and the fact that Carl was like, Did Maggie Mai get bonus points for killing her daughter? That just added a whole layer of gross to that situation. Absolutely, yeah.

Hecla’s Betrayal On The Train

SPEAKER_00 15:54

And then hearing about how some of the other crawlers had some experience with PvPs being introduced into their little cohorts and what that looked like for them. So kind of interesting. Uh, a little bit more on crawler culture, but adding layer of uh another layer of peril for sure. Yeah, yeah. So speaking of the other crawlers, uh, the next big action point that I've got bulleted to talk about is Hecla.

SPEAKER_01 16:24

That's what I thought you were gonna leave with.

SPEAKER_00 16:26

Yeah. Well, I didn't want to skip over the Frank Q thing. Like the Frank Q story, uh, that interaction and that story kind of floored me when I did my first run through. Uh like you said, like it doesn't even really tie up a storyline necessarily, but it's such a good payoff that I was like, whew. So I didn't want to skip it.

SPEAKER_01 16:46

No, definitely. No, I I thought we would talk about it when you're like the first huge thing. And I was like, oh my gosh, one of the biggest things that happened was Hecla.

SPEAKER_00 16:53

Heckla. Hecla is a big ass deal. So let's talk about it. How did you were you suspicious? At what point during the train ride? Who do you think had something going on the whole time?

SPEAKER_01 17:06

I the moment they were in his their personal space, immediately no. I hated, I hated it from the start. Like they invaded their space. When Katya said she whitelisted the whole party, that freaked me out. Um and to this day it freaks me out because I don't remember in the book her saying that she reversed that. And I need her to reverse that, just for my peace of mind. Even though I don't know like if it's an individual thing or if it's like now that Brunhill's daughters are gone, it's that the whitelist is gone. I don't know how I don't know the mechanism, but until until they confirm on the page that that whitelist is gone, I'm I'm expecting that evil snake lady to show up in their personal space. Like I trust no one. Um, so, anyways, yeah, the fact that Katya let them into the space without asking Carl and Donut while they were away, bad, hated it, very uncomfortable. The fact that everyone kind of knew that Katya was leaving, and that was horrible. But then Carl's like, let's just keep her on our team for the moment. Like, thank God they did that. And then the plot, the plot that was gonna possibly kill Katya for the greater good, yeah, that left me that left that made me sick, honestly. It was awful. Like, Hecla is this sociopath who will do whatever she needs to do for the greater good. Like, okay, so she's utilitarian but also brutal. Um, and her sidekick, Eva, right, Eva, is just even worse somehow. Like she enjoys her, the fact that like all of it, she enjoys being evil. It's I feel like it's just bad. I just don't like it at all. I thought it was terrible, but the way it ended up was awesome. Yeah, that was great. Um, but I hated that Katya was betrayed like that.

SPEAKER_00 18:52

Yeah. So honestly, I I wasn't even thinking about the whitelisting. The whitelisting was so alarming when it happened. Like my red flags went up, and I am a really trusting person and a passive reader. And I was like, whoa, why are we just let them everybody in? Yeah, because you're sanctum sanctorum. You should like screen people and stuff. Uh uh, but the by the time we got on the train, you know, Eva, Eva, Ava, I can't remember, um definitely did not sit well with me from the beginning. Um and Heckla, interestingly, when you find out the dynamic and you find out that she was in fact a therapist and has just compartmentalized down so hard to this is just what I'm doing to navigate this.

SPEAKER_01 19:44

Yeah. Well, not to mention she's like not only that, but she's gathered a group of people who would be literally lost without her, and she's relying on the the buff that she gets by being surrounded by women from her weapon to essentially prop herself up.

SPEAKER_00 20:01

I was gonna say, and that just makes her stronger.

SPEAKER_01 20:03

Just makes her stronger. So it's just she just she's so I mean, I can't I don't want to say in her shoes that I would behave differently in the sense that of course, if I got that weapon, I would try to get a group of gals together, right? Obviously. But the rest of it is where I draw the line, right? If you're going to have someone like Katya, you don't leave her behind. Like that's ridiculous. Like also the fact that a lot of them were healers and stuff just felt like she was using them to her advantage. And I don't know how much she like leaned on them to be like, oh, you need to be a healer, you need to be a healer, but she made what we call a bunch of squishy teammates. Like, she didn't have a bunch of tanks around her other than Katia.

SPEAKER_00 20:49

Um, making them both Katia wasn't, she sent Katya away.

SPEAKER_01 20:53

Yeah, like so. I don't know. She was she I don't like her, don't like her as a person. Also the fact that she's like, it's a boat, like F off. You know, it's not an arrow, it's a boat. Like, screw you. I don't know. I just like I yeah, she did she really robbed me the wrong way, yeah, the whole time.

SPEAKER_00 21:13

Yeah, so that part, yeah, the pedantic, it's a bolt. Uh yeah, yeah, absolutely. For me, it was the her essentially just going, Well, that didn't work. And now what do we do? Yeah, like come on, what are you completely doing? Uh so that was pretty wild. Um again, for me, that was just somebody who's incredibly shut down, right? Like that she has carved away all of her humanity and be like, this was the angle we were playing, it didn't work. So now we just pivot and expecting everybody else to pivot with the same lack of emotionality, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 21:51

Yeah, no, it's just size.

SPEAKER_00 21:55

Yeah, and you just seem like a robot at that point.

SPEAKER_01 21:58

Yeah, but the fact that like Carl would have had no idea if um uh what's her name? The talk show host wouldn't have told him. Odette. Odette, yeah, if Odette wouldn't have warned him, he even admitted like he would he would be dead. Like they they would have no idea what the We're looking supposed to be looking out for. And granted, Donut had no idea, and she was the one that saw the arrows, right? So, like, thank God for that. Um, yeah, it was just it was wild. But like, we haven't talked about just the nature of this plan, right? That Katya allegedly had, which was to strap herself to the front of a train and just bowl through people, throwing them into her inventory. That had to be partially inspired by Carl for sure. Yeah. The inventory. Um, but yeah, it was brilliant, but just brutal. And all the descriptions of like gore and viscera getting in their mouths, getting all over their face was just very uh it was just descriptive. It was yeah, a little descriptive. Like I could use less description in that scene, I think.

SPEAKER_00 22:58

And then of course, that coming to fruition, they they made that rule change as Mordecai was coming back from his time out, and she just gets like uh, you know, was it Carrie, you know, just covered in blood and gore.

SPEAKER_01 23:11

She didn't get covered in blood and gore.

SPEAKER_00 23:13

Oh, everybody else, excuse me. And then they got a Roomba that is gonna be the most overworked Roomba ever in the universe.

SPEAKER_01 23:20

Yeah, that was pretty funny. Like I can't imagine why they did that other than like for the laughs, or yeah, like just you know, it's just a funny little segment where they had spent$25,000 on a vacuum. But yeah, I don't know. It was it was good. The whole it was satisfying because as I I think I told you this last time, or maybe whenever they hooked up with Katya, I was uncomfortable the entire time because of how much she was always dialed into the daughters, like always communicating with them. And Carl in this read kind of it dawned on him like they knows everything about us, like she is relaying all of this information. Does Hecla have somebody like this all over the dungeon? Like, I like is is this a spy network? Like, is this the blue Aja right now from Wheel of Time?

SPEAKER_00 24:07

And Carl even comments that on that in another part out of context, not related to the uh Brunhill's daughters, but there's all kinds of things going on throughout the dungeon that we're not part of and we have no idea what's happening.

SPEAKER_01 24:20

Yeah, yeah. And and to to that, I know you probably are gonna talk about this later, but in their final interview at the end of the book, like there was a bunch of throwaway lines that um Odette like threw like got in there, like the tragic incident with oh my god, there's a couple like anyway, she just says multiple things, rapid fire that I was like, what, what, what? And like I did not because I wasn't reading a physical book. I I did read the passage twice, and both times I like I do, I was like, Did what did I just hear? Like, you know, I don't know, like tragic incident with was it Lucia Marr. So I'm over here like, what's going on with Lucy? Like, is she alive? Because the because there was a notification that the top 10 got changed again. So who died? You know, there's so many questions that are left at the end of this that it's just been, yeah, the second half of this book was wild.

Katya’s Turnaround And New Power

SPEAKER_00 25:08

Yeah, absolutely. Um, I'm gonna I'm gonna take this moment to organically pursue the Katya thread, though, because that was the thing that I'd written down. Now that we've gotten through the second half of the book, everything that went down with Heckla and everything. How are you feeling about Katya? Do you have more faith in her than you did before? Do you feel less uncomfortable with her?

SPEAKER_01 25:28

I'm not uncomfortable with her in the slightest now. I love her. I'm a big Katya fan. She redeemed herself, she proved herself, like she did so many things that I would not necessarily have expected, like coming up with the scoop, the cowcatcher idea, um, which is incredibly brave, right? Because she was like up against the the third rail. Like there was a lot of ways that it could have gone wrong for her specifically, and it was her idea, and she did it anyways. The fact that she killed Hecla and became the most powerful crawler, yeah, slight accident, maybe not the best look, but also really helped herself out and Carl and Dona. God knows what what that incident would have come to if not Hecla dies, right? Because now she's got the uh now she's got the bow, sorry, the crossbow. Um, granted, we don't know where Eva is. Brunel's daughters are no more. That had major ramifications on the entire dungeon. And then sh apparently it was her plan to go save Carl when he was trapped between uh the god and the mimic, only after she was the one who puzzled out the structure of the iron table.

SPEAKER_00 26:42

Like she was that's another thing to love about Katya is she is a smart ticket, and we we do love ourselves a smart chick.

SPEAKER_01 26:50

Yeah, yeah, and not only that, but she is working on her stage presence as well. So Katya to me, like absolute 180. Like she she's a whole new woman, and I'm a fan, and I hope she stays in the party forever because I really like her.

SPEAKER_00 27:05

Yeah, I uh oh gosh, I just had it and it just flew right out of my head. Um but yeah, no, I'm glad to hear that. I I also had a little bit of trust issues with Katia, although I don't think it was as bad as your yours were going into it. And it was fine, but I was like, as I was going through, I was like, okay, that does happen in this book. So we'll see, we'll check back in, see how we're doing, see if it's better. So I'm glad to hear it's better because I really like Katya. I knew what I was gonna say. One of the things that I love about her in this half of the book is uh, you just spoke to her bravery about being the cow catcher on the front. She's really leaning into her tank role and taking more risks. Um, and I think that you know it it only makes her look better, right? That she's done the work to get stronger, um, and she's taking risks uh for the party because she's a really good party member.

SPEAKER_01 28:06

So yeah, big fan.

SPEAKER_00 28:11

Uh so one of my throwaway comments is poor Growler Gary and his two left hands.

SPEAKER_01 28:20

That was rude that it had to be the left hand. Like it was bad enough, but no.

SPEAKER_00 28:26

So many return trips.

SPEAKER_01 28:28

A lot, a lot.

SPEAKER_00 28:29

So many return trips. But respecting him though, that he was like eventually okay with it. Oh god. Just donut going, Mongo, we gotta go.

SPEAKER_01 28:42

Yeah, I think I think she might have been less um practical about it if he wasn't a dog. But the fact that he was a dog, she's like, all right, more hands, let's do it.

SPEAKER_00 28:52

Clearly didn't give her any pause whatsoever.

SPEAKER_01 28:55

No.

SPEAKER_00 28:56

Um, yeah, the tangle uh the tangle mess and Katya figuring it out was brilliant. And I was just as lost as I was at the end of last episode, right? So I did my best to keep up, and I do understand that they were solving it as a three-dimensional puzzle, and that that was how Katya solved it. Yeah. Um, I realized that it's smart and ingenious, and then Carl also realizing that they're going to, you know, basically upend it to just, you know, create pure chaos. I was impressed. I did not keep up.

SPEAKER_01 29:34

Yeah, I'm not gonna lie, when they did solve it, I was just like, okay.

SPEAKER_00 29:39

Like I'll take your word for it.

SPEAKER_01 29:40

Yeah, like I get I get the concept of like if if it's a mirror image of itself and there's a portal in between and the things drop through the portal, you know, having another portal to catch them makes sense, right? But it's that's that's the extent of it. Yeah, what the the noodles, yeah, what uh like sure, that's the wormhole. I get I get it, but like also, no, I don't. Um, the rest, like, no, I don't. I get the plan. I understood.

SPEAKER_00 30:05

I'm perfectly willing to accept. Yeah, like you have a plan, you've executed it beautifully. Yeah, I have no doubt. Yeah, uh, I don't have to understand it. It's okay.

SPEAKER_01 30:16

No, yeah, I completely I'm right there with you. It's like there are, I think, as they said at the beginning of the book that you, you know, the the where it was like the disclaimer, don't worry about it, y'all. I didn't worry about it, and it's fine because literally, I think we got what we needed to get, right? Like what I described a moment ago, the fact that there was an abyss, you know, that's inescapable, and the fact that you know, some of the trains, like the nightmare, could go to different play places. Like that's you know, that's all I really took away from the the structure of the iron tangle.

SPEAKER_00 30:49

Yeah, I peeked at it's three-dimensional, and then I plugged back in for it's a mirror image. Yeah. And then that's all I got.

SPEAKER_01 30:59

Yeah, I don't even understand like the concept of it being both three-dimensional and a mirror image, like uh, whatever. I'm just picturing two plates on top of each other with a wormhole in the middle. And I know that's wrong, but that's fine because that's what that's the only thing I needed to have pictured because things were falling through wormholes, and and that's that.

SPEAKER_00 31:17

So I did I do love that they used the trains and the portable portals and the portals for um tomfoolery and and just moving baddies around and making it possible for them to rescue islands of stranded crawlers. Uh again, I don't understand a lot of what happened in terms of solving the the tangle itself, but absolutely respected that the writer gave us good uh scenarios and fun ways to solve them. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:59

Yeah. I think the best example of that, and I'm sure you were gonna talk about this, but the best example of that is the the way they got out of the god battle, the whatever it's called. Yes, yeah, that was so brilliant.

Death Watch With Groll And Mimic

SPEAKER_00 32:12

Yeah, I mean, we can go into that. That's kind of where we're headed. Um, you know, Groll and Prince Maestro. So first off, Maestro's back.

SPEAKER_01 32:22

You know what? If I don't see a body, I'm not convinced somebody's dead. So that doesn't surprise me at all.

SPEAKER_00 32:29

Yeah. And uh yeah, so the Groll, the summoning the back and forth with Mordecai in the background with, you know, if there's a god, just run. Dude, just run.

SPEAKER_02 32:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:40

And uh all that that implies, and the way they ultimately went about it. Uh, the using of the two mantars. And Carl finds yet another way to circumvent expectations, right? Like finds another way to tackle the problem in a really kind of brilliant way. And it doesn't match with what anybody thought would happen.

SPEAKER_01 33:03

Yeah, no, it was so fun. And the fact that there's like a boss battle that's not a boss battle that triggers gambling and so you notice that, right?

SPEAKER_00 33:13

Like they didn't say boss battle, they you know, AI intro did as we're about to witness the death of dungeon crawler Carl. And yeah, did they call it Death Watch? I can't even remember now what it means. Death Watch, yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 33:24

Yeah, yeah. So that was fascinating. Also, I will say that during this fight, and so what was interesting to me was like they had this epic plant where they're gonna throw Gro Grohl at the mimic, and that's gonna save the day and blow up the whatevers and all that stuff. Um, very cool plan. And then, of course, there's a wrench that gets thrown in it because nothing is ever easy, and Carl gets sucked in, right? So, first things first, oh boy, and then we get Death Watch, where he's up against Grohl and the Mimic, and it's kind of like, uh. And in the midst of all of this, while he's running away, after he takes Mordecai's special brew, all of that, at some point, the mimic just gets offed, like as a second thought. And the first time I read the book, the first time I read this passage, I missed the mimic dying. And I and so at the end of the fight, whenever Girl gets thrown into the abyss or whatever with the second um Mantar, I thought, okay, now where's the mimic? And I literally had to go, I had to rewind, because I again audiobooks, I had to rewind like halfway through the battle when it was like, Oh yeah, the girl just there was a pile of mimic goo.

SPEAKER_00 34:32

Yeah. So I had a similar experience, but there was a pile of mimic goo, and I was like, wait, did we did we beat the mimic?

SPEAKER_01 34:39

Yeah, he just like side-swiped it, he just like casually killed it and then moved on. It was like one sentence, and so yeah, it was I think argu easy to miss. Um, but it you know did exactly what was intended. Like that the plan was for Girl to Kill the Mimic, Girl killed the medic, perfect. It was just a matter of like, oh gosh, Carl's there, and now Katya came up with a plan to save him, which was amazing.

SPEAKER_00 35:04

I love the fact that the reason the plan went sideways is because of the AI's fanish with his feet.

SPEAKER_01 35:12

Yeah, Carl's like, of course, of course, that's what happened.

SPEAKER_00 35:15

Can't feel my feet.

SPEAKER_01 35:16

Yep, can't feel my feet.

SPEAKER_00 35:17

And I guess I didn't even realize that that was like he can't feel his like how do you walk if you can't feel like I knew that they were in vulnerable or invincible or whatever. I did not know that meant like no sensation or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 35:32

Right. So that to me was kind of odd. Because again, how do you walk if you can't feel your feet? But maybe it's just we don't have to think about it that hard.

SPEAKER_00 35:41

Right.

SPEAKER_01 35:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:42

So yeah, I love that. Um and I love the fact that it was I'm not some surprise. I'm I don't kind of assume you weren't either to find out that donuts like barreling ahead. Um, but I did like the fact that it was Katya who came up with a plan and it was kind of a heck of a plan.

SPEAKER_01 36:01

One heck of a plan, yeah. Big fan. It worked out splendidly.

Allies Return And Crawler Network

SPEAKER_00 36:07

Yeah. On the heels of that, one of the things that I liked about this book is we we have more crawlers, right? So we have crawlers that we've met before, but we have more collabs, so we're seeing more of what those crawlers can do. So any favorite or standout moments for you about people that we've either met or remet or things that they do that you thought were kind of cool because we haven't seen them in action because they're not part of our core group.

SPEAKER_01 36:36

Yeah, so the Miriam and um uh Prepotente. No, Repetente, no, Prepotente. The goat? The goat. Okay, so I'm thinking of the wrong person then. Maybe not Miriam, the old lady who turned into uh flying Agatha.

SPEAKER_00 36:51

Sorry, Ellie.

SPEAKER_01 36:53

Ellie, thank you. Ellie and her, the the caregiver for Ellie that I'm so Ellie and Amani were a fun addition to this book. Oh, by the way, if you haven't noticed, I'm awful with names.

SPEAKER_02 37:05

And that's okay.

SPEAKER_01 37:06

Um, but Ellie and Amani were a fun addition to this, especially in the audiobook, although I'm sure they're also in in the regular read, just because Ellie is so such an old lady. Like, you know, she has no, she gives no cares about what people think about her. Like Carl's just like, oh, thanks for what you did, or whatever. And she just like gives him a kiss on the cheek. Right. She's like this, she's so much fun and she's like crass sometimes, but also like she's awesome, you know. She her and um already forgot her name. Um, they're they're fabulous, right? They were freezing the acid. Ellie, I think, flew up through the noodle so that she could see on the other side. They were crucial to a lot of the plans. Um, so they were fun. And then Tiger Man, can't think of his name. Batista. Batista. He was also fun because I felt like where Ellie was kind of a comedic relief, Batista had a lot of like heart. He was like he feels kind of like a brother to Carl in the dungeon, in the way that, you know, there's a lot of women around him. He doesn't have like another dude necessarily that's like a friend, um, aside from the NPCs that they meet and get along with. But Batista feels like that to him, right? They help each other. Like Carl was trying so hard to save him, and he ended up doing it. And it just, it's just it's a really heartwarming interaction. And Batista is always so grateful, and um, and he seems like a really sweet guy, even though he apparently looks like a Lisa Frank tiger, which is amazing. And he also, he's the one that also throws beanie babies at people. So he is quite the character. Um, but it was just, yeah, I really like he was a he was a good element too, because it was constantly Carl checking in with Batista and Batista being like, actually, we're screwed. And then Carl being like, let's figure this out. So it was it was fun.

SPEAKER_00 38:53

Yeah, I like the uh I like that he keeps uh developing the crawler network, right? And yeah, trying to save as many people as he can, even though it's gonna be the death of him. Um to hear Mordecai tell it. And yeah, I love it. I love it for him that he's doing that. Um but I I do think that there is some camarader, there's definitely camaraderie there, and that Batista is also a very, very competent collaborative crawler.

SPEAKER_01 39:22

Yeah, for sure, for sure. And then I guess Lee June and his cohorts also kind of re-entered the scene. And so that was interesting because Carl interacted with Lee June's sister, um Lena. Lee Na, who ended up being an extreme strategist. But I found it interesting that Carl and her kind of butt heads, um, and Lina, Carl was like, I don't think we could really be in a party together, even though I like her, you know, and it just felt kind of like, huh. Like, is that a flaw? Did I finally locate a flaw in Carl? And it's that he doesn't like people who challenge him. Like, I don't know. Time will tell. Perhaps, especially well, and for me, of course, like my my walls went up because it was like, is it that it's a woman who's challenging him? Like, he hasn't had somebody who's like pushed back on him in that way. Really, like donut will like harass him, but not in the same way, right? Not in the way that's like your plan is stupid. I don't I don't know. It was interesting. That that interaction made me more curious to see how Carl's gonna interact with like new women who have strong personalities in the future.

SPEAKER_00 40:25

Yeah, because there have not been any gender-based icks, there have not been any red flags.

SPEAKER_01 40:33

And that's the thing. I'm like, I'm like, really nice to keep it that way. I would love to keep it though. Yeah, I'm just I like you know, Carl is so far flawless. And so either this was kind of an inadvertent, like, oh yeah, like I think she's cool, but we might butt heads too much. Like, and I would butt heads with anyone who's like her, whether they were a man or a woman or like if it's that or if it's something else. I hope it I doubt, I doubt it's anything insidious, but of course I'm just looking for he's just too perfect, he's gotta have a flaw.

Donut’s Hats And Small Mercy

SPEAKER_00 41:03

Yeah, no, no cap. Uh so we're kind of coming to the bottom of my list. So um I thought, and I I kind of think that you do too, but maybe not. Uh Dona in the hats. Oh my god. And then them all giving the hats back.

SPEAKER_01 41:24

Yeah, and then of course she's oh, it's nothing. Oh, it's nothing.

SPEAKER_00 41:27

It made me like tear up. It's the most ridiculous thing. Um, but it was so sweet, and I loved it for her.

SPEAKER_01 41:35

And you know whose idea that was? Katya. Katya's Katya's just she really she did she did a huge turnaround this read for for me, for sure. But no, that was very, very sweet. I like that a lot. And I love how Dona's just like, you're gonna get us killed, so we might as well save people. Like, whatever, you know. She's her initial instinct is usually like we should do the thing that saves us, but then she always goes along with Carl's plan to save other people. So I respect that about her. And I understand the instinct to be like, no, I wanna, I would rather, I just want to live. But yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:09

And again, if we think of Donut as a young entity who is still growing and maturing in that context, you know, with that as her partner, yeah, modeling some really heroic behavior.

SPEAKER_01 42:25

For sure. Yeah.

unknown 42:28

Yeah.

Talk Shows, Censorship, And Politics

SPEAKER_00 42:29

Uh so that brings us kind of to the end. So I think that the epilogue on this was a good one in terms of we've got yet another show. Oh, we had another in pickbook show appointment where they went to read dialogue. What did you think of that? Was it a blip? Were you like, why are we here? How did that go for you?

SPEAKER_01 42:54

It definitely felt like comedic relief, you know, like okay, hold on.

SPEAKER_00 43:02

For those of you who may just be listening, uh, I believe that Critter's dog Athena wants to be let in to her office to be part of the show. Her lordship didn't want to be left out.

SPEAKER_01 43:16

Uh no, she was in here because she she didn't want to be left out earlier, and so she decided she was done. So it did feel like comedic relief at first, but there was stuff that happened in it. You know, the the director guy complaining about the nature of things and how you know he's being leaned on to do certain things. And I I feel like there was some kind of point about the overall universe, and I it's just like right now on the top of my head, I can't I can't get to it. But it was more than just funny, I think.

SPEAKER_00 43:51

There it definitely felt like some social commentary in there on the state of the politicking that surrounds the crawl as an entity.

SPEAKER_01 44:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:03

Um, and I very much the thing about that interaction that stood out to me was Carl basically saying, I'm sorry, you expect me to feel bad for you.

SPEAKER_02 44:12

Yeah, you guys.

SPEAKER_00 44:14

Have basically raised our planet.

SPEAKER_02 44:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:16

No, I don't feel bad for you. Um, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:20

So I didn't think that was understood his point, don't get me wrong, but I did think that was like pretty harsh because the guy obviously is not one of the powers that be, right? He's he's a cog. Right. And so it's kind of like it would be like Carl getting mad at Mordecai, right? Although Mordecai's like more of a slave than uh this other dude, I assume. Um, but it yeah, I felt I did feel for the guy a little bit, but Carl did have a point.

SPEAKER_00 44:50

Yeah. So a different kind of show interaction for sure. And I thought that it was we've already talked about how we're seeing how things are being represented when they're doing the recap episodes and how they are really skewing things, and then now we're seeing it in their, you know, quasi-real world content where they are making content about Earth and its inhabitants, and the skew is still very much present in how they are representing Earth.

SPEAKER_01 45:23

Right, right. In fact, that the AI didn't have time to analyze completely, and so it they were getting just slop, which is ironic because that's what you get from AI and on Earth as well. Um but that also it did kind of remind me of the the more backstory that we got within the dungeon about the Krakarans and how it was a metaphor for you know the universe hating Krakeron, the whatever the representation of Krakarans were in the universe, like right, like so there's a real-world Krakeron technology of some kind.

SPEAKER_00 46:01

Yeah, the plenty. So yeah, they talked about the plenty and the apothecary and how this was social commentary. It would be like looking at political con uh cartoons with donkeys and elephants, uh, is really the the big vibe I got from that big explanation.

SPEAKER_01 46:17

Right. Yeah, to me, I didn't I I will admit that I didn't super follow it, other than that, you know, they're trying to say that whatever this you know apothecary is, is the technology they're providing is like bad. And you know, it's ultimately gonna result in people's demise, right? Because it's they're you know, they're they're dealing drugs and people are ODing and all that. Well, right, it's a big metaphor. Um that's that's really all I got about it. It's like I the you know, whatever the technology is, I can't really it's something that enables faster space travel, right? Like I don't even rem fully remember, anyways, it's complicated. Um it it did the explanation sort of zoomed over my head a little bit, other than the fact that they were trying to make a point about a separate faction of the powers that be.

SPEAKER_00 47:05

Right. And the broad strokes are uh conspiracy exists even at a uh you know galactic level.

SPEAKER_01 47:12

Right. Yeah, exactly.

unknown 47:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:15

Uh so then that brings me back to Adette's show in the epilogue. And so first off, we start with Zev isn't there. We have Zev, who is in serious timeout, and Loida, who is Tecla's PR person, and happens to be connected with the um political group that is in power for the Kuwaitine, um, has replaced Zev and has kicked her for quote unquote re-education. Uh so that had all kinds of ick on it.

SPEAKER_01 47:49

Yeah, it's given 1984, Hayden.

SPEAKER_00 47:51

Big time.

SPEAKER_01 47:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:57

So we have that, and then we have the interview happens, and then there's censorship with Audette herself, and the you know, the butting of the heads between Audette and Loida. Um yeah, so kind of a strong way to end. Uh, and we saw a lot of information, like you were talking about, you know, this tragic incident with Lucy Amar and other crawler names, and and you're trying to catch it, and then they're muting her. Uh kind of felt like some stuff was tickled there, like uh dripped, and we don't know what it means, but we know that uh the bloom, Loida, the organization she's part of, is definitely trying to tamp down information.

SPEAKER_01 48:45

Yeah, it was it felt like night and day the last the last time they had an Odette interview, and this time, right? No snacks, they got yelled at for having a book. You know, it's it's just like they they were censored in many ways. They didn't get to talk to Odette after the fact, which has been a major boon. So I get they're trying to be fair, but at the same time, nothing is fair, right? The whole thing is rigged, so or like it feels very rigged, like there's a lot of things, but I did get a lot of satisfaction finding out about the fact that the uh Death Watch ended up screwing uh the board corporation that felt really good. Um so and they only get one appeal, right, per game. Not that I don't even know if that's like because it's not really part of the game, it's outside of the game. I think. So I don't know if they even could it did say that they appealed it, so I don't know. I just hope they get screwed. So it felt good that it sounds like they might.

SPEAKER_00 49:42

Yeah. And then we ended with donut picking our zone for our next level. Yeah. And we know that we are taking on dirigible gnomes in a castle in the sky. Yay! Um, and that thus ends all of my notes. Do you have any other fave or standout moments that happened that we haven't touched on?

SPEAKER_01 50:13

Not that I can really think of, other than, you know, the name of this book was the Dungeon Anarchist Cookbook. And while Carl did rely on the book a lot, and we did come to like, you know, his realization at the end when it came to the NPCs and stuff, where it's like, you know what, we need to stop talking about saving this and changing things. We need to actually change things. Um, so I s I appreciated the arc that the book kind of kicked off at the beginning. Um but I just want to see more of it, right? Like it does feel like a little cheat code, right? The book, and and that's what it's used for the most. But every now and then I do appreciate the fact that it's you know, people hyping themselves up about raging against the machine. And I need Carl to continue raging against the machine. I did like his interactions with uh God, the demon and the other guy that drove off, you know, into the into the abyss themselves. Like, oh my gosh, I know it's like not very helpful.

SPEAKER_00 51:11

Um, so it was Fire Brandy and Tiz Quick.

SPEAKER_01 51:17

Yes, Tiz Quick's daughter was non-existent. Fire Brandy knew that she wasn't gonna get to keep her kids, and the fact that they, you know, came, met I to I and were like, we're in we're in this together, we should not be enemies, was a nice moment for sure. So I'm uh the just the fact that this book is called the Dungeon Anarchist Cookbook, I might have expected more to have happened because of the book, but it did lay a foundation. So that's yeah, that's where I'm at with that.

SPEAKER_00 51:44

Yeah, so we'll have to wait and see if it adds more flavor.

SPEAKER_01 51:48

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 51:51

So that leads us to the moment where we choose our favorite baddie for this part of the read. Do you have one in mind?

SPEAKER_01 52:01

I mean, easily to me, the coolest fight was the god fight. Like that was awesome. And the mimic got just offed immediately. So yeah, it has to be the god, it has to be Groll. Groll. So that whole sequence, like it's not just the favorite boss, it's the favorite fight. Easily that was the favorite fight because it had so many layers. Like the plan gets botched, Carl gets in, he's gonna die. Actually, he's getting saved, and the way he gets saved is really brilliant. It was just cool, it was a really cool sequence. I was a fan.

SPEAKER_00 52:36

Nice. Uh, I had both. I I was like on the fence between Mimic Rex and the Groll. So Mimic Rex, yes, taken out of the fight pretty fast, uh, but such an agent of chaos, scary and super scary. So I am fine with taking Mimic Rex as my favorite.

SPEAKER_01 52:55

Okay, nice.

SPEAKER_00 52:57

Yeah. So then we get to that wonderful part of the evening where we pick our runner up and our MVP. And I did take note. Where did I put it? Hold on. I did take note of our last.

SPEAKER_01 53:17

I appreciate you because I didn't think about that until right this moment, because it is our last. We're finishing the book today, so we gotta figure out the MVP MVP, the book MVP.

SPEAKER_00 53:28

Yes. So I won't do a recap on that. We'll leave that. Uh so let's start with our runner-ups. Would you like to go first or would you like me to go first?

SPEAKER_01 53:39

Happy to go first because it is a bit different for me.

SPEAKER_00 53:43

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 53:44

My runner-up, this book, this half of this book, is Carl.

SPEAKER_02 53:51

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 53:53

Yeah, because Carl was once again brilliant as always, extreme strategist, great friend, super selfless, you know, the whole nine. But there was somebody else who took it from him, who did more, in my opinion, this read.

SPEAKER_00 54:09

Okay. We'll leave it at that. You can elaborate in a moment. I will. So for me, for this half of the book, I chose Ellie as my runner-up.

SPEAKER_01 54:20

Fun. Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 54:22

She used up a scroll to be super fast and to be so distracting for a grawl in an incredibly intense battle. Um, and I feel like she came in clutch. Yeah. Um in making the group, you know, successfully beat that hella hard opponent. So that's my choice. Yeah, a good choice. So then for your MVP for this half of the book, who did you pick?

SPEAKER_01 54:53

I picked Katya. For all the reasons that I've already said, yeah. She figured out the Iron Tangle. She leveled up an extreme amount by more or less sacrificing herself by putting strapping herself at the front of a train and killing untold numbers of bad guys. She killed Hecla while she was trying to kill Eva, but still, it was kind of epic, resulting in them getting an awesome crossbow. And that was super fun. She what else did she do? She did have she she had the plan that saved Carl. Like she talked to Carl about the PvP coupon when she was uncomfortable, which you know what? In some books, people don't communicate with each other and it drives me nuts, wheel of time. And so the fact that she did talk to Carl about it was so nice and refreshing. She is becoming a better and better player, and the more I get to know her, the more I think that she is a really good person. And so that's and and she transformed herself into Carl, putting a massive target on her back against Carl. So it was just, yeah, it's just, it's there's there's no beating Katya in this read, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_00 56:09

So all that and a bag of chips. I also picked Katya as my MVP for all of those reasons. She had the killer plan, she executed it, she's been working on her skills to the point that even Carl, in like a really panicked moment, is like, wow, she did a really good job copying me. Um and she just she boss babed through a lot of stuff in this book and has gotten, she's worked on herself and gotten better and better. Um, and Carl would not be here if not for Katya.

SPEAKER_01 56:42

So yeah, gotta gotta give it to Katya.

SPEAKER_00 56:45

Um interestingly though, okay, when we look at the outcome for the whole book, okay, Carl wins by one vote. Because I picked him as my because you got him as a runner-up. Which is, you know, there's worse things.

SPEAKER_01 57:05

There are definitely worse things. So Katya gets sec Katya is runner-up MVP for this book. That's that's respectable. I never in a million years would have called that at the beginning of this book. So that's like full, full character improvement. Extremely respectable character.

SPEAKER_00 57:23

Total 180. I I couldn't wait. I was, you know, when we when we talked about the last half of the book, I was like, I hope, I hope this all happens here for her, and that and that you can have that kind of full circle moment. So yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 57:40

I could not give it to Carl because he had too many good plans, right? He was the one that had the portal, the portal drop idea. He was the one that blew the final um soul crystal, or you know, his plan to like go send the train into the abyss or whatever, blew the soul crystal, which freed a bunch of people. He he was the one who wanted to go save all X, Y, and Z crawlers that were trapped. It's yeah, I just I I could not. I could not.

SPEAKER_00 58:07

Yeah, totally.

Next Book Plans And Farewell

SPEAKER_01 58:08

Yeah. Okay, great. Well, that does it for that. Wow, Dungeon Anarchist Cookbook. What a good, what a good book. Alright, so as you might have predicted, uh, we're going to be continuing the Dungeon Crawler Carl series with the Gate of the Feral Gods, which is book four. And we're gonna be reading chapters one through eighteen for May 12th. So thank you so much for tuning in to our sixth episode of season seven of Butt Are There Dragons, brought to you by your host, Jessica Sedai, and me, CritterXD. Don't forget to follow us at Butt Are There Dragons on YouTube, Instagram, and TikTok, and Butt Dragons Podjust1T on X. You can also find your hosts on social media as CritterXD and Shelf Indulgence. That's it for today. New achievement! Glockwork triplicate. You've read three books in three months! You're not breaking any records, but at least you're consistent. Reward? You got to witness Prince Maestro get his bum handed to him yet again. And isn't that reward enough? Bye.

SPEAKER_02 59:18

Bye.