When you mix the spice of entrepreneurship with the sweetness of a genuine partnership, you bake a recipe not just for a thriving business but for a love that endures the test of time and trial. Jed Blumenfeld and Rebecca Sadek, our guests and guiding stars, exemplify this blend as they open up about the tightrope walk of managing a business side by side while keeping the romance alive. Their candid reflections on supporting each other through financial risks, the emotional hurricane of parenting adult children, and the shared laughter remind you that life, at its core, is a shared journey.
Whether you're navigating the stormy seas of entrepreneurship or the delicate dance of maintaining a work-life symphony, this episode promises to be both a lighthouse and a lifeboat, guiding and supporting you along your voyage.
To find out more about Bec Sadek and Amare Global, follow the links below:
https://www.instagram.com/becsadek/
https://linktr.ee/becsadek
https://www.amare.com/corporate/en-US/
https://www.instagram.com/amareglobal/?hl=en
Please email us at Gettoknowthedevil@gmail.com
When you mix the spice of entrepreneurship with the sweetness of a genuine partnership, you bake a recipe not just for a thriving business but for a love that endures the test of time and trial. Jed Blumenfeld and Rebecca Sadek, our guests and guiding stars, exemplify this blend as they open up about the tightrope walk of managing a business side by side while keeping the romance alive. Their candid reflections on supporting each other through financial risks, the emotional hurricane of parenting adult children, and the shared laughter remind you that life, at its core, is a shared journey.
Whether you're navigating the stormy seas of entrepreneurship or the delicate dance of maintaining a work-life symphony, this episode promises to be both a lighthouse and a lifeboat, guiding and supporting you along your voyage.
To find out more about Bec Sadek and Amare Global, follow the links below:
https://www.instagram.com/becsadek/
https://linktr.ee/becsadek
https://www.amare.com/corporate/en-US/
https://www.instagram.com/amareglobal/?hl=en
Please email us at Gettoknowthedevil@gmail.com
This is Lindsay.
Cleveland Oakes:And this is another episode of the Devil. You Don't Know, lindsay, what are we going to be talking about today? Entrepreneurship, entrepreneurship. Yeah, we know, sat down with our friends Jed and Rebecca. How do you say their last name?
Lindsay Oakes:again. I'm sorry. Jed Blumenfeld and Rebecca Sadik oh, that's right, jed, yeah, that's right. To talk about their experiences with entrepreneurship and being a couple, yeah, and maintaining their relationship despite the ups and downs and the challenges that they confront.
Cleveland Oakes:Yeah, it's a really exciting conversation. I think you guys will get a lot out of it. But before we begin that, Lindsay, tell me something interesting that you ate this week.
Lindsay Oakes:Okay, oh. So we had brunch at the Sweetgrass Grill and I had a really good kale Caesar salad that was vegan and some grilled broccolini and a mushroom cheese steak, which was obviously did not, you know, contain any cheese or steak, but it was fantastic. What about you?
Cleveland Oakes:Same. We had the same exact meal and it was great. The Caesar salad was great, the mushroom cheese steak was good. We went out with the with our middle son.
Lindsay Oakes:Oh, I know so damn many, so many kids.
Cleveland Oakes:So I'll call. I'll identify him by age, which is the 24 year old, and his girlfriend we got who we met for the first time.
Lindsay Oakes:She was so lovely.
Cleveland Oakes:So lovely. If only all my children could be as serious as those two. But I guess we just have to. We just got the queen. I think all our hope left is is the queen mom. The queen mom says I'm your last hope.
Lindsay Oakes:I have hope in everyone, but what they choose to do is on them.
Cleveland Oakes:Yeah, but it was a nice. It was a. It was a nice time. What was your devil of the week?
Lindsay Oakes:Hmm, let me think about that for a minute.
Lindsay Oakes:I had like a really crazy, crazy week. Literally worked from like nine or eight in the morning some days until like seven every day this week, so I didn't really have a whole lot of time for future planning and future tripping. But I think probably my devil of the week was the medical issue that we were dealing with with one of the children over here, and you know, I would say the kind of being powerless when you're the parent of an adult, and I think that that was a big challenge for me this week that I not only, you know didn't get too emotionally involved in it. But I think the biggest thing for me I told you was how hard it is for me when I'm really upset is to not tell people about themselves, and I did a good job of not having a fight with you and not taking anything out on him and oh, I didn't even know I was in your crosshair, so thank you for that no, but you know, usually you are when I'm in a bad mood.
Cleveland Oakes:Oh yeah, yeah, I'm just, it's like duck hunt. Then I'm definitely going to agree with you there that my devil of the week was also the same thing. It's, you know, when you have kids. I'm going to do a long pause here because there's a lot to unpack. When you say, when you oh, I thought you were getting like a little emotional kid's make you emotional right, but when you have kids you they're so great when they're babies.
Cleveland Oakes:And then as they get older, you like to say, I like to say bigger kids, bigger problems. And my devil of the week too and definitely we definitely do need to do a whole episode about this is how do you raise an adult child? Right, and it's, it's so difficult when you, as a parent, you're getting your 50, you're 60 years old and you have children who are in their 20s and their 30s and they're still your baby and they still are making mistakes and you want to help them, but you also have the respect that they're adults, right, and that was a huge challenge for me this week with, with, with the young man, also with time.
Lindsay Oakes:Yeah, it was definitely really. It was a really. It was really challenging and for me it was very emotional. It's very hard as a parent, but I think I did a really good job of taking myself to spend some time alone and sit with all the feels and just say, hey, you know I'm powerless here, I can't control it, and you know I've got to deal with everything that comes up for me.
Cleveland Oakes:Yeah, one of the things that I learned and then I say it and I said it to the young men is you know, there's a scripture in the Bible that says I give you the blessing, I give you the curse, I give you life, I give you death, and you choose right. And it was something that Papa Cleave, that big cleave, used to always just share with me. Like, as an adult, you make your own, make your own problems, and now you have to solve your own problems. And the sign of being an adult is knowing that someone's going to be not coming to save you. And sometimes, as a parent, is the sign of being you got to respect your kids choices that they make, even as much as it may pain you to disagree with those choices.
Lindsay Oakes:Absolutely, and that really is the hardest part of parenting, I think that was.
Cleveland Oakes:That was both that devil of the week. But you know, with that being out of the way, thank you so much for listening to this intro and now we're just jump right into the conversation with Jed and Rebecca, and hopefully you'll get some good insights and tidbits on how you too can be an entrepreneur and have a successful family.
Lindsay Oakes:And by the end of the episode you'll remember their names.
Cleveland Oakes:And by the end of the episode I will remember their last names. So today we're going to do an interview, we're going to do something different guys. We love when we bring you our friends and our family on the show, and this is Jed and Beck Sadeke. Well, say it how you say it.
Rebecca Sadek:Jed Blumenfeld Beck Sadek.
Cleveland Oakes:There you go, boom, there you go. See, that's. I've already failed as a host, but we have our friends Jed and Beck and Lindsay. I'll let you introduce them, since you've known them for so long.
Lindsay Oakes:But you've known them for a pretty long time too.
Cleveland Oakes:Yeah, but you know them better. Everybody we've had is your friends.
Jed Blumenfeld:He is right, lindsay we didn't meet you through.
Rebecca Sadek:I feel like I've known you a long time, though I kind of want to hear what you have to say, yeah yeah, because I mean there you go.
Lindsay Oakes:See, cleve is the talker of the two of us.
Cleveland Oakes:I am the talker, the banter, the master of ceremonies, but when I am at a loss I am just at a loss. But I've known Jed and then Rebecca now for some time I think now for as long as I've known Lindsay, probably for eight years. You guys are my inspiration because you're very entrepreneurial and I know Jed is still in corporate. But but back, one of the reasons why I wanted to do this episode is because so many people want to get out of the rat race.
Cleveland Oakes:So many people are looking to basically work for themselves, when you say yeah, definitely, and you guys have always done that and you've been that power couple for me and that dynamic for me. So I just wanted to sit down and and talk about what it's like to take the leap to, to go out on a limb and do, and really you guys represent what the show is about, which is taking a risk and taking a chance. When do you have anything?
Lindsay Oakes:No, I mean Beck and I met and I think fitness class right back at your.
Rebecca Sadek:It was at your yoga studio.
Lindsay Oakes:Yeah, and bring your baby yoga class and I used to hold their very adorable baby the whole class so that that could work out. And then Jed, of course, I met through Beck and I think he did some dad's yoga too.
Rebecca Sadek:Yeah, yeah, I did. I did a couple of them and then Lindsay became my daily wine buddy when I my baby is in Westchester.
Lindsay Oakes:Yes, and now I don't have any wine buddies like that anymore.
Cleveland Oakes:I think she misses this. So we actually went out and got a wine fridge the other day and now we're full fledged adults and now all we do is buy wine just to keep it in the wine fridge, but it goes out faster than it.
Cleveland Oakes:Then it comes in, yeah it's kind of like US economy. That's how it should be. So let's get started. So you guys tell us a little bit about yourself. So, beck, you are the star of the show today. So tell us about you and tell us about what it is that you do and, in general, so you guys can give us an introduction to who you are and just tell us what it is that you do and why we found you so compelling and interesting to come on to the show today.
Rebecca Sadek:All right, awesome. Well, I'm back. Good to be here with you guys. Thank you for having us. It's good to see your faces. We got to make it happen in real life next. Yes, but yeah. So I grew up in New York City and we now live in New Jersey, me and Jed with our two girls. We've got a 12 year old daughter named Olivia and a nine year old daughter named Juliet, which is crazy to say, right.
Lindsay Oakes:Lindsay like oh my God, I was just thinking that because yeah. Jules was like the baby on my lap. Always, while you were exercising, I would sit with her in the reception area.
Rebecca Sadek:I know it's crazy, right? So now I live in New Jersey. I went out on my own as an entrepreneur about 13 years ago now and I am just the type of person that was never meant for being put in a box. You know what I mean. Like I respect it, like I respect the whole corporate world, and I think it's a great avenue for some people. It just wasn't for me. I, you know, I think, growing up always struggled to be put in a box, like didn't love traditional, all that good stuff. So you guys are making me laugh. So yeah, so about 12 years ago.
Cleveland Oakes:Yeah, she probably doesn't want to be on camera, so go ahead.
Lindsay Oakes:I sit on camera all week with therapy clients, so I'm like she wants a break, I do.
Cleveland Oakes:I interrupted you so 12 years ago.
Rebecca Sadek:Yeah, so 12 years ago I remember Jen and I were engaged.
Jed Blumenfeld:Oh, I know it was way longer than that.
Rebecca Sadek:15 years ago. I guess 15 years ago. Wow, yeah, all right, it's been a while.
Rebecca Sadek:Yeah. So Jen and I were engaged then I guess because we'll be married 15 years in June and I just came home from my job one day and I said I want to quit my job and I want to figure out how to be an entrepreneur. And you know he had a stable corporate job. So the crazy thing about being an entrepreneur is there's a lot of risk involved and I think what makes our situation unique is that Jen really supported me in those early years when I was making absolutely no money.
Cleveland Oakes:Yeah, jen, what was that like? I mean, I know you support a lot, but it was a big risk. I have a friend who is why I'm going to keep the. I always like to say I can keep the names of the innocent, but they'll know who I am when I'm talking about them. And I have a friend whose wife was a judge and she actually left being a judge so that she could do a startup, and so it was for him, even though he makes a lot of money, it was tough. It was like, oh my God, like you know, I don't really know what we're going to do if this doesn't work. So what was it like for you, jed, to actually sit and support your wife as she said? This is it, I'm done. I'm going to just do this, take this risk.
Jed Blumenfeld:I mean, quite frankly, it was really a no brainer for me.
Jed Blumenfeld:As she said, I had a very stable corporate job at that point in time and I was making more than enough money to be able to support us.
Jed Blumenfeld:So because of that, we had the financial flexibility so that she could go out and explore and try to find something that she was more passionate about, something that she enjoyed doing and would actually earn an income doing it. It didn't become challenging until, really, kids came along, and the challenge that that really brought about was not so much roles and responsibilities but more about time. So, you know, she would be working from home with the kids all day while I was out at the office, and then, once I got home, we'd almost switch and she'd leave the house to go and continue doing some of the work that she was doing, and then I would be at home with the kids taking care of them. So we were both constantly, always on. There was very, very little breaks from that perspective. Otherwise, though, I mean it was really great to see her flourishing, to see her happy, to see her find pleasure and enjoyment in something that she was doing and also be able to bring home a paycheck while doing it.
Cleveland Oakes:Lance, do you have anything?
Lindsay Oakes:Well, I'm much like Beck in that I don't. I couldn't last probably a day in a corporate job. Whenever Cleve comes home with stories from work, I'm like, oh, they would have fired me because I would have told them about themselves. So, yeah, I am with you there. I am my own boss and I will forever be my own boss. And whenever I have clients who are I have to have a teaching job because of the benefits and the pension and all that, I'm like, yes, you should totally sacrifice your happiness for that job that you made every day. Please keep doing that, and then you could keep paying me every week while I see you for the rest of your career.
Jed Blumenfeld:And that's so funny that you mentioned that, Lindsay, because I'm now 47 years old and by the time I had met Beck I was in my late 20s, early 30s. At that point in time and I had already really fallen into that cycle and become okay with just doing the grind over and over again and didn't really feel the need or the urge for myself to really ever chase anything else because I fell into that trap. But I think one of the things that both of us agree on is that we don't want to raise our kids with that mentality. We want them to know that they can go out and they can do anything. They don't need to get a college degree if they don't want to get a college degree for whatever it is they want to pursue in life. Whereas we were both pushed in that direction and me more so pushed into the direction of you got to get a corporate job, you got to find someone to work for and then that'll take care of you.
Cleveland Oakes:One of the things I always tell the kids here is when because even my clients right is, if you can make all the decisions in the world, you don't have to answer to anybody, when you make your own money, right? And Jed, I've seen the pictures of you in the hotel in the naked cowboy outfit and it's wonderful when you can just go to a hotel and be fuck it. I'm just going to walk down this hallway in my underwear with the guitar.
Jed Blumenfeld:But that was speedo, not underwear. Come on now. Speedo, it looked good.
Cleveland Oakes:It looked good at 47 doing it.
Jed Blumenfeld:I appreciate it and, for the record, we did almost kick you down in the hotel because it was against their policies of clothing and decency.
Rebecca Sadek:But they kicked him out of the bar. They said he had to put some clothes on. Okay, okay.
Cleveland Oakes:But no, it is good, right, and that is one of the things about the fascination about getting out of corporate and working and working for yourself is that you don't have to deal with the bullshit, right, and and and? Beck, I want to ask you a little bit about that. So, when you got out of corporate, what was, what was the first thing that you enjoyed about working for yourself?
Rebecca Sadek:I think, designing your day every single day right. So, like I was actually saying to Jed earlier this week, I was, like you realize how fortunate we are that really, like five out of seven days of the week we can have these slow mornings where we're like on the couch in our pajamas drinking coffee at 830 AM. Still, you know, like didn't have to run to the train, didn't have to get to a desk at a certain time. So I think for me that was the first thing that I loved, even though I wasn't really making a lot of money back then. It was the fact that I could control my day every day. If I wanted to go work out in the middle of the day, I'd go work out. I wanted to go take a yoga class with Lindsay, I'd go take a yoga class. If I wanted to, you know, stay in my pajamas till 10 AM. That's what I was going to do. So I think, just that freedom to like live. You know what I mean Like just live.
Lindsay Oakes:I agree with you because I have a rule with work that if I have to do home visits, I don't make my first appointment until like 930 or 10 o'clock because I'm like there's no reason for me to drive in rush hour.
Rebecca Sadek:Yep it's so true, and there's no reason for you to stress yourself out about like getting out of the house at 6 AM if you don't have to.
Lindsay Oakes:Nope, the only place I might go early is the gym like coffee, then the gym, then take a shower and then like a 10 or 10 30 appointment. But that's it. I agree with you 100%. I can't get on a train and be somewhere at a certain time.
Cleveland Oakes:No, I want to go ahead. I'm sorry.
Rebecca Sadek:I was just going to say I with you, Lindsay, I'd be fired to probably like day one.
Cleveland Oakes:Yeah, I want to go back and touch on what Jed said, really about college, and that's a conversation that you and I have had, jed, about college, about student loans and about debt and whatnot. What would you tell a young person that's listening to the show and I know you guys have two young daughters what would you tell a young person listening to this about the idea of do they need to go to college? Can they start an entrepreneurship? What would be your advice to somebody who might be thinking about what am I going to do?
Jed Blumenfeld:So first yeah, first, before I do answer that I just want to say for the audience's perspective you and Lindsay are aware of this, but I have a bachelor's degree in engineering and I also have a master's degree in science.
Jed Blumenfeld:So I have an undergraduate and a graduate degree.
Jed Blumenfeld:So I fully and firmly believe in the value of a college education. But taking that aside, I think that the idea of the gap year, or even longer than a gap year, is something that people need to really embrace, much more so in our culture and society, because we send all of our 17 and 18 year olds off to college for four years to study something that they've chosen because they think they're going to have some interest in it, and I would say probably around 90% of the kids that graduate college do not end up actually using their degree in anything they do in their future life, and because of that, I think it's really, really important to take a little time, figure out what it is you might actually want to do with your life, how you want to spend your future, what things you're interested in, and then, if there is a need to go to college and get a degree from a higher education institute, you do it. If not, then don't bother wasting your time or your money, because college is certainly not getting any cheaper these days.
Lindsay Oakes:We know that very well over here right now. But we've had that with Ben because he is not sure what he wants to do and that's been a big struggle for us. And when he was home on his winter break he had to choose one class because one of his got canceled and the choices were Chinese brush painting or the introduction to sculpture and he was like why do I have to take this shit?
Lindsay Oakes:That's so funny and I'm like I guess they want you to have a little of everything, but he's really not going to be doing any Chinese brush painting in this life, so it is interesting, right?
Cleveland Oakes:Because I also, like you, jed, have my bachelor's degree and I'm going to be finishing up my master's degree in December, and Lindsay has what two masters, two masters. And, but I use mine.
Rebecca Sadek:Yeah, and in fact, you're like an anomaly Lindsay. I feel like most people don't use mine. Yeah, so I have a bachelor's degree and you guys ready for it, and what?
Jed Blumenfeld:Don't fall off your chair. Spanish.
Lindsay Oakes:Don't, tell me Don't tell me, wait, wait.
Rebecca Sadek:It gets better with a minor in women's studies.
Cleveland Oakes:And so you're like this comedian that I saw many years ago who was like, yeah, I got this degree in English, and I realize I might as well have just gotten a degree in magic and wizardry, because there is absolutely nothing that I can do with this.
Lindsay Oakes:My Spanish degree has served me so well in the Bronx because I'm able to go to home visits and do bilingual developmental evaluations, which pay top dollar because they need people to speak Spanish. And my parents are like now, like, oh, maybe it wasn't such a bad idea.
Rebecca Sadek:I was just going to say, but you use it right, lindsay, like I don't even. I think the reason I got a degree in Spanish was so I could go to Spain and talk to cute guys.
Cleveland Oakes:And that's what you found, Jed.
Jed Blumenfeld:She found me doesn't speak a language Spanish, aside from Indian-American words here and there.
Cleveland Oakes:But to tie it back to what we're talking about with entrepreneurship. That is the interesting thing, right, I have a buddy. He's an executive and when he heard that I was going back to college at 46, he was at the time he was like why. He was like Cleveland, you're never going to solve for X in an office. So he was like it's foolish. But for me it worked out. But I am now in a position where I want to work for myself and I want to take the education that I got. And I do think it's important to Jed, to your point, to have at least some education but not necessarily think that that education is, as one of my colleagues said, is the golden, the golden ticket.
Jed Blumenfeld:Oh yeah, no, I definitely would agree with you on that one, but it's, and that's the problem where our society has moved towards is everyone pushes their kids to go to college. I mean, I look at schools that were two-year community colleges where you can get an associate's degree when I was much younger. All of those are now either four-year colleges or even, officially, universities now, and there's even less and less of an opportunity for kids who are coming out of high school with less of a clue of what they want to do, to go to that type of an institution to get some type of an educational background while they're even trying to figure things out. And then, let's face it, it always costs money to do all that, so you got to figure out how you're going to pay for it, and these days, kids are coming out of college with huge, huge debts where their parents are.
Lindsay Oakes:Yeah, that is true, and I think another disservice that we do to kids, who will never really have the opportunity to go to college, is that we don't teach trades anymore in high school, so kids don't come out of high school with an interest in furthering their education, even to become an electrician or a plumber or a mechanic.
Rebecca Sadek:And here's the thing too it's like, I think, that all those jobs you just named, there's also so much opportunity to be an entrepreneur in those trades. Absolutely, yep, absolutely. And we're just not even giving that as an option to kids.
Jed Blumenfeld:There's not even really. Maybe I'm wrong on this, but I'm not really familiar with too many collegiate programs in entrepreneurship that teach you how to be a creative thinker, that teach you the skills that you need to run a business successfully, and all of the ins and outs that go along with that. I think it's pretty much all figure it out on the go.
Lindsay Oakes:Yeah Well, I think that's another way to keep you trapped right in this cycle.
Rebecca Sadek:Yeah.
Cleveland Oakes:Yeah. So I'm going to move on to the next part, which is embracing entrepreneurship. And so, beck, I want to ask you, and please plug your business and plug what you're doing. But when I first met you, you were I don't know. We don't have to name that particular company because we don't need to give any money to anybody who you're not selling for now. I mean dog head, yeah.
Rebecca Sadek:But when I?
Cleveland Oakes:first met you. You were working for, you were selling for one company and who are you with now?
Rebecca Sadek:So now I sell for Amari Global, which is a mental wellness company, and tell us a little bit about Amari.
Cleveland Oakes:You know, maybe that's Amari I want to say, but that's not what it is.
Rebecca Sadek:I mean, it works. Yeah, so Amari was launched in 2018, which is when I partnered up with them and they were launching a line of holistic products that were specifically targeted to help people with their mental health and wellness. So this was like prior to the pandemic right. So this was like before the whole world was talking about mental health and mental wellness and they trademarked the name of the mental wellness company and really just kind of like blazed a trail in this category. So now we're six years old and we've got a whole line of drinks and supplements and all these things that help you naturally raise your serotonin and dopamine levels and lower stress. And it is a network marketing business, so it uses that sales model to distribute the products, and I'm in the field as a salesperson.
Jed Blumenfeld:And she's also a little modest because she's a coach and a mentor to help others promote and grow their own businesses using social media strategies online and moving away from some of the more traditional brick and mortar print type advertising approaches or marketing approaches. So she's got a few different things that she's got going on.
Rebecca Sadek:True that, true that.
Lindsay Oakes:Don't sell yourself short back.
Rebecca Sadek:It's hard to. It's hard to talk about yourself. Do you guys? I don't know you guys might I could talk about myself all day.
Lindsay Oakes:Yeah, he can, but he can also talk all day Well that's why we have a talk show.
Cleveland Oakes:It's a, it's a future. You can make your own talk show. That's what I love about the future. You know, one of the things that that I've always been scared of and this is something that I'm not going to lie in All of your businesses, you guys have always approached me and said, hey, cleve, we think you would be good at this, right, and I, just at that point in time, did not necessarily have the confidence in myself or the patience in myself to think that I could, that I could start or do my own business. So for somebody like me who might be scared to do the startup or to make the initial journey, how, what kind of company? Like, where do you, where do you start? Somebody comes to you and says, hey, you know, I have this company. Like, where do you start and how do you encourage someone to to shake that fear?
Rebecca Sadek:Yeah, I really don't think that there's any way to grow confident in yourself as an entrepreneur, a business owner, without taking the plunge, right. So it's like everyone starts scared. I like I don't think there's a single person that would start a company or start a business, or leave their cushy corporate income to do something that wouldn't be terrified Right. So I think everyone starts scared. Everyone starts bad, right, like you've got so many blind spots when you're starting off doing something new. And I think the people that are really able to like take something and build it long term are the ones who just throw themselves into it, take imperfect action and don't get too caught up in their ego about it.
Jed Blumenfeld:And I just want to add on to that, too, that there's always, there's never, ever going to be a perfect or right time to do something like that, to start your own business. There's always going to be an excuse, there's always going to be a reason that the timing is not right. So you have to just suck it up and jump off of that cliff, because if you are waiting for that right time, it'll just pass by.
Lindsay Oakes:Yeah, I agree.
Cleveland Oakes:Yeah, you'd like to talk about risk taking, and so if you're somebody who is at home listening to this, what lesson can they take away from the check?
Lindsay Oakes:Well, I'm a risk taker because I will never work for anybody. You'll never find me like in a classroom teaching or like even be in a consistent like schedule daily, which is why I do what I want to do. But I think it's the biggest challenge I find is that people are just like we were saying earlier. They're so stuck on what they should do, and I think there's also a lot of judgment too that holds people back. Right, I'm sure your family had things to say, not only when you measured and majored in Spanish, but when you were like go work for a direct sales company.
Rebecca Sadek:Listen, I would say it's only very, very recently that people kind of get that what I did was a smart move. Because at the beginning, yeah, like you look kind of crazy, right. You're like, yeah, I'm going to do this direct sales thing and everyone's like, everyone loses money at that. Isn't it a pyramid scheme? Isn't it this? Isn't it that Right? So, yeah, I mean, I would say, over the past few years, as I've grown more and more successful with it and I have so much freedom in my life right, because that's what matters is that freedom right? Like I'm home with my kids, I can go do anything at any time I want. Now I feel like people are like oh, I get it, I think I get it, I get why you started that 15 years ago.
Lindsay Oakes:Yeah, I mean I was away for three weeks and from December into January and I was like this is the longest vacation I've ever been on and my husband couldn't even come for half of it because he had to get back to his job.
Rebecca Sadek:Listen, Wendy, welcome to my life. Every day, I'm like Jed I want to go away for a spring break, and he's like I don't have the vacation days and I'm like, all right, I guess I'm going with the kids without you.
Lindsay Oakes:Yeah, oh, I get that over here all the time. I actually asked Cleve recently. I said can we just book our flights to see my parents next Christmas? And he's like I don't know. I think I'm actually out of time and I'm like, but that's like months from now.
Rebecca Sadek:It's absolutely crazy that like people still have to live that way.
Lindsay Oakes:Yeah, it really is, and I think it goes back to also people are so afraid to live authentically, and that's why we created this podcast, because how do you get from point A to point B? There has to be fear and risk involved, and so, like you can stay in this place where you're not really happy and just go with the flow every day, or you can take a risk and try something else, and if it doesn't work, you can always try something else or go back to what you were doing.
Cleveland Oakes:This is America. This is where dreams come true, where a criminal can be president of the United States. You, too can live your dream.
Jed Blumenfeld:There shouldn't be any stigma of shame behind failure, because you've at least taken a step that other people haven't taken to do something that they've never done before and that you find worthwhile. And if you fail, you fail, but at least you gave it that effort. If you don't give it the effort, then you didn't do anything. You haven't grown, you haven't developed yourself, and through that failure you will grow, you will learn and you'll be able to do your next endeavor better.
Cleveland Oakes:That leads me to the next talking point, which is risk taking and resilience. Right, and so, chet, since you were just speaking, I'll just I'll start off with you. What was it? What was it, like you know, in those early days where Beck might have had some setbacks, like, what was it that you guys did to be resilient and realize that this risk was worth it?
Jed Blumenfeld:I mean at the very beginning, the first endeavor that Beck had had was something that had her running around doing a lot of work that was not necessarily duplicatable or reusable for future when she would engage with different clients. So she found herself struggling from that perspective and it was really challenging watching her go through that stress of I just left the corporate role behind. I was dealing with these challenges, which I hated. Now I'm doing my own thing, which I really enjoy. But I'm struggling because I'm busting my ass trying to find new clients to work with. I'm busting my ass when I find them to set up a whole new routine and regiment to work with them on, because I can't use something from someone else.
Jed Blumenfeld:Everything's 100 percent customizable. So seeing her have that struggle and that stress when she was at the same time so happy was challenging for me. But she eventually worked through that and she pivoted with what she was doing and the focus of her entrepreneurship and the business and she found other opportunities where she was much happier with the type of work that she was doing, with what she was able to do out of it and how she was able to get that balance. And then, you know, as I alluded to at the very beginning of the call, the real struggles happened when kids came along, and I think that that was really because we were both grinding me with my corporate job and the things that I was doing at home to support her and her, taking care of the kids in the daytime while I was out and then at nighttime to grow her business. So it was a real challenge, making sure that we were focused on each other, focused on our kids, and we were still continuing to grow our prospective businesses in a positive way.
Lindsay Oakes:Yeah, I think I'm in the middle of like a little bit of a transition too. So I'm in that grind right now, but we are only like a year from an empty nest, which is so hard to believe, right. But you know, I get that because right now I'm kind of building for our next steps, because we really want to go down to, like the West Coast of Florida and, you know, spend a good chunk of time there. So I want to eliminate my evaluations and just be full time with therapy clients. But I'm wondering too, beck and this can go for both of you but don't you feel like the longer you're kind of at the grind and trying new things Like when you're doing what you enjoy doing and you don't have that corporate struggle every day that you're more creative and more ideas come to you?
Rebecca Sadek:Yeah, I mean I would say that the grind was exhausting, but it wasn't boring, right? Yeah, it didn't stop Like it wasn't like I hated my life. I think we were both enjoying it. We were just exhausted.
Jed Blumenfeld:And I think at least what kept me going through it too is I had a very, very high level of faith and belief in her and what she was capable of, and I think there was probably a lot of times where she was very frustrated with things and it was my faith in her that helped keep her going, and we were very fortunate that we had that for each other, the belief in the support system.
Cleveland Oakes:Beck, I want to ask you a question what advice would you give to other couples that might be considering this path?
Rebecca Sadek:That's a really good, important question, because I work with a lot of entrepreneurs as a coach and a mentor and I would say the number one roadblock for most women is not having spousal support, and I think the best thing that Jed and I ever did was create a joint vision so we both had the same exact vision of what we were working towards and so we could stay on the same page every step of the way. And when I'm talking to a lot of women and they want to go down this path, they are just not on the same page as their spouse and they don't have the same vision. The spouse doesn't see what they see, so they just see that the sink is full of dishes and I have to do more with the kids because you're doing this. They just see all the negatives. They don't understand the sacrifice for the bigger vision. So my advice to any couple that was going down this road is get on the same page, create a joint vision and then come up with a plan about how you're going to get there.
Lindsay Oakes:Yeah, and the plan can change along the way. Like I was talking before, it can change and when you have the opportunity to do that, then it's easier to change the plan because you don't have to focus your energy and so on in the other places.
Cleveland Oakes:Yeah, and I think what Beck said there is a good point for somebody who sees a lot of couples. Because, lindsay, what do you think when you see couples, what is one of the major reasons why they're not working out?
Lindsay Oakes:Because they don't agree on something and also nobody wants to compromise, and that's the problem, right, and it doesn't seem like either of you are stuck in your rightness, right, and that's a really important thing in all relationships.
Rebecca Sadek:That all depends. I'm definitely always right, always right. I am too, I'm always wrong.
Lindsay Oakes:I am too, but that's the sign of a good compromise in your husband, right, Because he was like, oh OK, that's what mine does now.
Rebecca Sadek:Jen's like OK, you can be right.
Lindsay Oakes:And that's the compromise that's so important.
Jed Blumenfeld:But that's part of the point that Beck was driving at is that, because we both have this shared belief in this future life that we want to live together, how we get there is less important than us actually getting there. So we're both willing to do whatever it takes, whether it be me being the domestic in our relationship and taking care of all the household chores, so Beck can focus on what she needs to do. It's fine, because the end game is that lifestyle that we want to have.
Cleveland Oakes:So it sounds like what you're saying to me is that in order for this to be successful, for your business to be successful, you guys have to be a successful couple. Right that you have to be a couple that works together, as Gottman says. I always quote Gottman every week, but Gottman, he wrote the book the Seven Principles of Making your Marriage Work, and in this case, it'd be the Seven Principles of Making your Entrepreneurship Work. Is it starts with you guys being a supportive couple with each other. Which is going to bring us to our next segment is family, and Jed hit on that a little bit Family dynamics and work-life balance.
Cleveland Oakes:So, Lindsay and I can tell you whoo, having children is tales of the unexpected right. So we had the Huckleberry. What do I call them, tom Huckleberry? Oh my gosh.
Lindsay Oakes:We have the oldest one here, We'll talk about him off the screen.
Cleveland Oakes:Yeah, we'll talk about him off the screen. But whoa, yeah, You're not like whoa, these kids, the stuff they put you through and a lot of them.
Lindsay Oakes:Oh yeah, yeah, and I don't think I've told you some of the stuff, but it's really funny as they get older and you have two girls, so they're probably going to be in cahoots with one another. And we had a whole vape ring going down in our house and they were flushing them down the toilet. My god, and not thinking we were going to know. When the plumber snakes, that pulls them out.
Lindsay Oakes:Ok, it was a good hustle and the best part of the hustle was that the middle one was upcharging the younger one and her friends and making a profit. It's the entrepreneurship right in college, I mean I respect the hustle a little bit. Oh, when we found out that that was what went down. We were like, oh my god, that's kind of genius, but no, no.
Cleveland Oakes:Kind of genius, but very bad, yes, very bad. I will take my cut of the money, which is what I did do, oh yeah, when they had to pay for the plumbing bill. So I was like so, since no one knows how these vapes ended in the toilet.
Lindsay Oakes:No one can pay for them.
Cleveland Oakes:No one can pay for them. So I'll be removing this money from your bill. But part of that, but all of that crazy adventure that kids lead you on, is sometimes a distraction, right. There are weeks where we've been doing this podcast now since October. We're now this is going to be like our episode 24 or 25 of this.
Lindsay Oakes:But there are weeks where these kids disturb us so much where it's like, oh, I don't even want to write a show note right, or you know, yeah, and Lila has a new thing that whenever we do anything or go anywhere, we must announce it to her prior to our departure. This is a new thing. So she'll be like you left and didn't tell me. I'm like 20 minutes ago I said I had to go to the grocery store. I didn't know, you left.
Cleveland Oakes:So how is it that you guys manage? You got two. And how many girls now? There are nine and 12. Nine and 12. Oh, I remember when they were like we, we, we, babies, but how are you many? I know Jed started off answering the question, but, beck, I want to ask you, how do you manage the family dynamics and the work-life balance?
Rebecca Sadek:Yeah, I mean, I think you said it we work together, right? So it's like there's no expectation. I don't think that one of us is going to do a specific task. It's very much like are you free? Are you free, do you have a meeting? Then? Are you working from home, are you going into the city? And we I think we do a good job of picking up each other's slack.
Rebecca Sadek:We thought it, though, and you know, we just went through a transition because Jed had cut back and he was only working three days a week his corporate job and then he was building a real estate business and he just got a new job. So he's back to five days a week and three days in the city. So we've gone from us like really splitting the afternoon, like when you're a chauffeur, essentially like Uber. We used to really split that, and now, at 3 o'clock, I just kind of have to shut down and do the mom kid thing, and it's like it took probably a couple of weeks for me to adjust to not having them around, but now I feel like we're in a groove again, so and it will change again probably at some point. So I think we just have learned to really work together.
Cleveland Oakes:I feel like there's a business in there somewhere, but didn't we spend most of yesterday like ferrying?
Lindsay Oakes:Oh, I say I'm like a chauffeur and an ATM machine. That is my only role in this house right now 100%.
Jed Blumenfeld:Don't forget about being a shorter cook. A laundromat.
Lindsay Oakes:I just said yesterday, I think it was yesterday Lila was looking for breakfast and there was nothing that was satisfactory to her and I said to Cleave, have you ever said to me there's nothing to eat in this house, because there is so much food in this house?
Cleveland Oakes:We call Lila the queen mom, so the queen mom comes down and there's absolutely nothing in this house to eat and meanwhile the fridge is like busting open. Busting open. We have that problem too, so, jed, I know this was something that you wanted to get into is the spice, and I've like once again, I've seen the picture, so the speedo. So tell us, how do you keep the relationship spicy?
Jed Blumenfeld:Yeah, well, I think the most important thing that we did from very early on, when we started having our first kid, when Olivia joined us, is we were fortunate enough to be able to coordinate a weekly date night where we would leave the kids at home and just go out to dinner Just the two of us. Sometimes it'd be a quick dinner, gone for maybe an hour.
Jed Blumenfeld:Sometimes it'd be all night or five hours, who knows? But just keeping that routine allowed us to maintain our relationship, our connection to each other, because our relationship starts with us. So if we want to be able to be successful as parents, as business partners anything else that we're doing in life we need to be strong together.
Lindsay Oakes:Yeah, I agree, we do date nights too, at least once a week, and we always have.
Cleveland Oakes:Yeah, I once sat down with a client a couple of months ago who's been, who was recently married but he's been with his wife now for about two years and they'd stopped going on dates. And he was like man, you know, I haven't been on a date for a year and I was like what, like, so, beck, talk about that, like, why is that important?
Rebecca Sadek:Yeah, I'm glad you said that, because I was actually going to say the same thing. I think it's like the one non-negotiable we've always had, and it's so important because throughout the week I don't know about you guys, but I feel like there are some days where we don't even have time to have a real conversation.
Lindsay Oakes:Yep.
Rebecca Sadek:It's really two ships passing in the night almost, yeah, it's like you know and we're juggling stuff with the kids and work, and so I think, just taking that time we do at Friday nights, so taking that time at the end of the week on Friday, to just like go out, reconnect, have an actual conversation with each other, it's been, I think, really important for us staying on that same page and continuing to actually like each other.
Lindsay Oakes:Yeah, no, I agree, we do the same thing. Every Friday night. We go out and I do. I see this with a lot of my clients. They don't go out ever. They stop sleeping in the same bed and I'm like so why even be married? Why be married? Like, if you can't make it work and you're miserable, then just one of you needs to leave. For us it's a non-negotiable. I always say one of Cleave's greatest strengths is that he is like one of the most loyal people, so he will always do whatever it takes to resolve a conflict and to communicate.
Cleveland Oakes:I think, especially when you're both busy Lindsey's busy, I'm busy and we have multiple endeavors and, just like you guys, I think the most important thing is to make sure that at least you go home to bed together, right? And even though I like to play my Xbox Series X and my PlayStation 5 and I was playing Boulder's Gate 3 right before we got on is I do try to make time to make sure that, even in our busy day between clients and school and starting our own endeavor with this podcast and start going into private practices, that we make time for.
Rebecca Sadek:Yeah, yeah.
Jed Blumenfeld:And I think you also have to make sure you have fun together. Not just make time to be together, but have fun together, make jokes, take things lightly with each other, because there was a point in time in your relationship where you guys were anyone was probably very jovial with each other, and then life gets in the way and it takes a lot of that out of it. But being able to maintain that humor about life, I think, will also really help to maintain that connection. Yeah, I agree.
Lindsay Oakes:We have a lot of fun together.
Jed Blumenfeld:Like poking your partner in the butt when they're walking up the stairs ahead of you.
Rebecca Sadek:I've always done that so do you?
Cleveland Oakes:You know, I did start with. One of my favorite stories ever is. I don't know if I told you guys this like right when I think it was at the start of the pandemic. Lindsay and I were in a target and obviously I'm black and she's white, and so I come up behind her and I slapped her. I slapped her in the ass so hard I was like give me some of that lady. And this woman, white woman who didn't realize we were together, screams at the top of her lungs and went running from the department.
Jed Blumenfeld:And I was like this is my wife.
Cleveland Oakes:And then she laughed, and then she started laughing, but I think she was also excited because she thought black people were getting in that slap in the ass. So I think she ran to go find the black guy to slap her in the ass. But that's the kind of stuff that we do. That fun right, but that was just jealous, right, she was jealous.
Cleveland Oakes:And I was like no, this is my wife, she's like that fun piece is important, especially as you get caught up with kids, right and kids. As one of my colleagues like to say bigger kids, bigger problems, because you think as kids get older that the problems will diminish.
Lindsay Oakes:But when I think you can, oh yeah, I mean, we've had to go the last couple of years, but I think we're on the other side of it now, so let's actually not talk about it, because I don't want to regress.
Cleveland Oakes:So, as we move on to our final piece we do believe it or not we have listeners who have questions. So I've got some questions and, lindsey, if you have that list up, because I want to make sure that we have an equal time here- I have it, but I don't know what you're talking about. Okay, so segment five listen to questions. That's all.
Lindsay Oakes:Oh, I do have that.
Cleveland Oakes:There you go, boom. Okay, go ahead.
Lindsay Oakes:And then one's in italics. This is an italics. Thank you for making it so easy for me. Listen, that's what I do. What was one of the most unexpected challenges you faced when transitioning from corporate employee to entrepreneur, and how did you overcome it? I think we kind of touched on that, yeah but this is what we're wrapping it up. Okay, good, that's good. I'm so sorry.
Rebecca Sadek:I would say rejection. You don't have to put yourself out there when you have a JOB working for somebody else and the way you'd have to do when you're an entrepreneur and you're going to fall on your face and get rejected and you have to choose that. You're willing to continue to do that over and over again and that's like a crazy, crazy thing to have to go through.
Jed Blumenfeld:Jet do you have anything to add? I would say? I think one thing people may underestimate is all of the extra things that you need to do as an entrepreneur to run your business that as a corporate employee, you don't deal with because there's other people in the company doing all that type of stuff, so you're literally doing everything yourself. So there's a lot there and there's a lot you have to learn and figure out.
Cleveland Oakes:Yeah, I like what you said about rejection and I'm going to ask Lindsey about that, like. So part of the thing is a therapist that you come across as people face rejection a lot and people are scared to be rejected. You see it with co-dependent people.
Lindsay Oakes:I mean, people reject me as a therapist if I'm not the right fit for them, but it doesn't bother me. Right On the flip side of it, if I tell someone they're not the right fit for me, they typically do get offended. But right, I mean, that's the thing with rejection. I mean, yeah, I mean, listen, everybody wants to be liked by everybody, right, right. But there's a certain mindset of like I'm content with myself, so it doesn't really matter if you like me or not.
Rebecca Sadek:Exactly. Yes, I would agree with that, and I think that when you have a boss and you're working for somebody else, you can keep yourself kind of in a safety bubble from that. You can't when you're trying to go out and find your own clients and grow your own business.
Jed Blumenfeld:Right and you can keep that motivation high in spite of those rejections that you get. Otherwise, you're never going to be able to move forward.
Cleveland Oakes:Yeah, I think it's a book called Go For no, I might be making it up, but I know that's what the author of the book says. He talks about being entrepreneurial, and part of being entrepreneurial, a part of even putting yourself out there, is to just know that you're going to get. If you go out 10 times, you're probably going to get 11 rejections.
Rebecca Sadek:Right.
Cleveland Oakes:And just learning to overcome that and just wait for the success and wait for the person to say yes.
Lindsay Oakes:Yeah, should we move on to our next question? Okay, boss, how important have mentors or support networks been in your entrepreneurial journey?
Rebecca Sadek:I would say, for me, mentors have been very important in both ways. I've learned a lot from terrible mentors and I've learned a lot from great mentors.
Lindsay Oakes:I always say that you learn from people right what you would do, but also what you wouldn't do yes, exactly.
Rebecca Sadek:And those valuable lessons have been learned from how I never, ever want to run my business.
Lindsay Oakes:Yeah, I would agree with that. Yeah, because I've worked for two practices right now. They're drastically different therapy practices but, yeah, I could tell you which one I would definitely never work for again when I'm done there, right?
Jed Blumenfeld:I think it's critical to invest in those types of personal development opportunities. I think that's Beck and her businesses that she has would definitely not be where they are today if she had not done that herself.
Rebecca Sadek:Yeah, I mean for a second risk. Even I would say you didn't like. I feel like we have to bring this up because it's so important, because it ties into mentorship. About seven years ago I hired a mentor for $30,000. And to literally give me a business degree in digital marketing, and we did not have $30,000 in cash. We put it on a credit card and it was a huge risk and like, talk about like, just being like, let's just see what happens, and somebody believing in you enough to say you're going to make that back, go do it, like that's the.
Jed Blumenfeld:I mean, I'm not going to lie, I did believe in her, but I was scared to be training. But, like she said, I did believe in her and said we'll figure it out. If this is what you think you need and this is what you think is going to help you grow and develop, and let's do it. We'll make it work, which is also how we've approached the majority of things that we've come across We'll figure it out and we'll make it work.
Rebecca Sadek:Yeah, but to tie it all back to your question, I think mentorship is so important and I know how. I not made that investment in mentorship several years ago, I would not be where I am today.
Lindsay Oakes:Yeah, I think that's really important and I think that you know Cleve could use a lesson from both of you and risk taking, because I'm always like pulling him along after me. He's like what crazy thing are you doing now?
Cleveland Oakes:Listen, the show is a risk. I mean this show. I don't even want to know how long Lindsay was asking me to put this together, because I you know she's like, oh, you do your podcast and it was a risk, but it's a risk that so far has paid off right. Actually, it was a colleague at work who's a producer for a TV show who's like hey man, I've listened to your show, it's really good stuff. And so, to your point, you got to take a risk and you have to have good mentors, and you are now a mentor yourself.
Rebecca Sadek:Yes, I am yeah, and you know. You learn how to get there by hiring and finding the right people before you.
Lindsay Oakes:Yeah. And given the increasing importance of sustainability and social responsibility and business today, how do you incorporate your values into your entrepreneurial ventures?
Rebecca Sadek:That's a good question. That's a deep one. Well, I'll tell you this the product line I represent is sustainably sourced and really draws on and pays attention to the quality of ingredients. And, being in the supplement world now for 13-ish years, there is no way I would ever sell something or represent something that I couldn't 1,000% stand behind.
Cleveland Oakes:Yeah, jay, anything to add as the power behind the throne.
Jed Blumenfeld:I don't know if I told myself the power behind the throne. Maybe you know the little prop behind the throne.
Cleveland Oakes:I'm not trying to get you in trouble.
Jed Blumenfeld:Thanks. I appreciate that. I think the key is making sure that you stay true to yourself and true to your integrity with the decisions that you're making and the actions that you're taking for your business, and in doing that, you will hopefully be able to build a business that you can fully stand behind and that others who believe similarly to you will come and support.
Cleveland Oakes:I will no go ahead. No, I was not Okay, I thought I saw you at the corner. Yeah, as a good husband, you constantly got to watch, you got to pay, you got to read the room.
Cleveland Oakes:So one of the last questions I want to ask you as we're approaching. Time here is obstacles. We talked about it before, but I really want to kind of close on this right, because it's like Barack Obama once said many years ago, is people tell you to pull yourself up by your bootstraps, but then don't give you laces, and so, in other words, he's saying, like it's like you know, drink before the song. We started at the bottom. Now we're here, but drink was never at the bottom right, and how do you overcome a? What are some strategies or what's some things that folks can do to change their mindset when they have the tough times?
Cleveland Oakes:You know you guys are much. Would you go Machu Picchu? You guys have been all over jets running around hotels and speedos and with that Kanye West, money is running. He's got the titanium teeth coming up soon. But when it's not, when it's not just the good times, like how do you give? How do you overcome the bad times and how do you help folks change their mindset to go through the bad and the tough times?
Rebecca Sadek:Yeah, I mean, I think that it's a mindset of, if it's meant to be, it's up to me, right? Like nobody, nobody's coming to save you. You've got to figure it out and we all have our own circumstances and you know you, you might think somebody has it easier than you, but you likely have no idea what they've been through to get to where they are today, right? So I think, just remembering that everyone's got circumstances, everyone has roadblocks, blocks, everyone has challenges, and if it's meant to be it's up to me, you got to make it happen.
Jed Blumenfeld:Yeah, I would add to that too. I think it's really super helpful and beneficial to have people in your corner who believe in you and support you, so that if you are running into some struggles, if you are challenged and you're even beginning to second guess yourself, those people will help to prop you up and help to give you some more positive reinforcement and encouragement to help you push through that negative patch that you're dealing with right now.
Lindsay Oakes:Yeah, I agree. I think we push each other.
Cleveland Oakes:Yeah, yeah, I do think that's important. I just want to thank you guys so much for your time. I definitely please plug If you guys have any parting words of advice or wisdom for the audience.
Lindsay Oakes:A link where they can reach you, a link where they can reach you.
Cleveland Oakes:But please plug all your businesses, plug your mentorship Jet, plug your speedo line and guitar line. It's going to be Jet Undies, it's not me Undies.
Jed Blumenfeld:Jet Undies.
Cleveland Oakes:But working folks, if somebody wants to get in contact with you back about your mentorship or even about a Mari or joining your team, yeah, this is your opportunity, so please tell us, give us that information.
Rebecca Sadek:Yeah, I would say come find me on Instagram at BexSedic, you can. If you want to learn more about what I do, come check me out there and I'm always open to have a conversation. So you can find me in my DMs.
Lindsay Oakes:Just thinking slide into your DMs, slide on in.
Cleveland Oakes:And, and, and and, Jet, I know you're doing. Are you still doing real estate or are you? Are you I?
Jed Blumenfeld:am still doing real estate. You know it's had to take a little bit of a backseat because of readjusting to the corporate schedule and everything, but they can certainly find me as well. My real estate business, though, is only local to New Jersey, unfortunately, so anyone that any of your listeners that may be outside of New Jersey. I won't be able to give them any help or support in their moving needs, but anyone that may be in New Jersey, you know, reach out out and listen.
Cleveland Oakes:We're across the multiverse. So so, so somebody will find you. Hopefully somebody's listening to you and they need it and they need a home in Jersey. That's it. These are really interesting times that we live in. I know we haven't caught up in quite some time like in in person. It's been at least like two years since we've been together in in person. So hopefully before the end of 2024, which is going to be this is going to be an interesting year.
Rebecca Sadek:This is yeah I I think we got to make it happen.
Lindsay Oakes:Yeah, we got to. No, we're definitely going to. This is our. This is a big year for us. It's the first year that both the children work at sleep away camp and we don't have to shell out a penny, but they pay them to be there, so that's like a momentous summer for us.
Cleveland Oakes:It's a reverse, but we're trying. But one of them hasn't been invited back yet, so I'm kind of no.
Lindsay Oakes:I talked to him today. It's supposed to come out in the next week. I got it. Otherwise I told him he had to go to North Carolina for the summer. So he'll get that camp job with the quickness.
Cleveland Oakes:But this, this has been great. I'm going to stop the recording, but I'm going to ask you guys to hang on, but thank you so much for your time. This has been wonderful and really thank you for sharing your experience with our listeners and the folks across the country. These are some good lessons and hopefully you know folks will learn will learn more about the entrepreneurial spirit and being a couple that works and dreams together. Thank you, guys, so much.
Lindsay Oakes:So that was a great conversation that we had with Jed and Beck, and we'll put the information on where you can find them in that thing you put online.
Cleveland Oakes:Oh I know, I know it's in the, it's in the notes.
Lindsay Oakes:Oh, the show notes, all the show notes, all the show notes.
Cleveland Oakes:Right, okay, so I like to share the resources. Yeah, really good points there. What, what I really liked about about talking to them, is one of my one of our listeners reached out to me the other day and said hey, you know what I noticed about your show? It's low key marriage counseling. Even when you guys aren't talking about marriage, count about marriage and couples, it's like really low key marriage counseling and I thought that they really had some great points to share about. You know what it's like to not only be entrepreneurs but to be a successful couple.
Lindsay Oakes:Absolutely, and I think often people abandon their relationship when things get difficult, right, and I think we talk about this a lot in our own lives, as people turn away from each other when they need to turn towards each other, and then what happens is that gap between them just becomes bigger and bigger and bigger. And you know and Beck said it well when she said you have to have the support of your partner yeah, yeah.
Cleveland Oakes:And that's really important. And when we've seen and when we've both sat down with couples or families that break apart, it's because everyone is going in their own direction. And I really one of the things that we've learned as therapists and that we we don't always disagree with it was unconditional positive regard. Right, when you sit down with a client you know we're supposed to like, no matter what they've done or no matter what they said, we have to regard them in that positive manner. Sometimes a person does need a good kick in the ass to get going, but in a marriage, especially in a marriage that needs to be successful I think Jen had the point well that you have to have faith, you have to have confidence in your spouse and you have to give them that recognition.
Lindsay Oakes:And you have to have fun. Yeah, fun, right, it's so important and I always feel like I don't ever really want to argue with you or have conflict with you, because you know you really never know what can happen in life and I don't ever want to be in a position where you know, like I try to live every day like it's the last day I'm going to be here, because you really don't ever know what's going to happen. And that's why I like to have fun and I like to make sure that I spend time with you every day, even if it's 15 minutes between clients, and we run downstairs and make a tea and talk or empty the dishwasher, right, just even those little 10 to 15 minute times together are really important.
Cleveland Oakes:It's very important to me too. That's that's right. That's it I mean. On that, I really can't even add anything more to that. It was great episode. Looking forward to having them on again and maybe talking about some other things again. Anything you want to talk about in the near future.
Lindsay Oakes:I think I'd like to talk about toxic workplaces, self awareness and, maybe, powerless parenting.
Cleveland Oakes:Oh, that's a good one. Powerless parenting. So that's it, and this has been another episode of the Devil. You Don't Know. If you like what you heard, you can look, you can rate, review us on iTunes or Spotify or wherever podcasts are available. And if you have any questions, or if you want to have your question read on air, like Lindsay Fred, or listening to questions on air today, you can email us at gettonotenevilcom. Thank you.