Unapologetic Swingers

Unapologetic Swingers: Episode 14 - Best Lifestyle Date Ever!

• Unapologetic Swingers • Season 1 • Episode 14

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The Tramp, Jay, and Elle are back to talk about our own unique takes on our best lifestyle related dates. This one takes some twists and turns!

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Elle:

Welcome back to unapologetic swingers. I'm l

Tramp:

and I'm the tramp and guys I'm, just so pleased to have l and j back with me today for another episode just A little bit about us. This podcast is all about our adventures and sometimes misadventures in the lifestyle sometimes we'll have guests. Sometimes we'll just talk about sexy stories and everything in between I'm going to title this best lifestyle date ever. And we each have our own unique stories with this that we'll tell today and we'll go from there.

Elle:

Sounds good.

Jay:

Looking forward to it.

Elle:

Thanks for having us back

Tramp:

anytime you guys have been so much fun to work with and I appreciate you guys more than you know.

Elle:

Well, we appreciate you too.

Jay:

You're a good man.

Tramp:

So, L, I think you are first one up with your unapologetic story of your best date ever.

Elle:

Yes. And as I was thinking about this the five plus years that we've been in the lifestyle, there's different scenarios and mine, I think, is maybe Less of a sexy story and more of a kind of a seduction story. And when I think about one of my best lifestyle experiences, I think back to when Jay and I were first starting to date and

Jay:

pre COVID

Elle:

very like right pre COVID like that week before I had a convention in Las Vegas and I had invited Jay to fly down for the weekend after so that we could have, some fun getting to know each other and all the joys that Vegas has to offer. And Jay worked really hard to find a couple of dates for us to get to know some other couples. And we did meet two couples that live in the Las Vegas area. Vegas is

Tramp:

great for that, by the way. I didn't want to cut you off there. Oh, yeah.

Jay:

And what we've learned is the people who live there prefer to play with out of towners.

Tramp:

Well, I'm gonna sidetrack just real quick because Vegas is a magical place. There is a very strong local lifestyle community.

Elle (2):

Yes.

Tramp:

But it is Sin City, so there's such a A throughput, I guess you could say, of lifestyle visitors that come there to play as well.

Elle:

I would agree.

Jay:

Yeah.

Elle:

Yeah. Yeah. Well, and the last time we went, we definitely utilized our time better. But the second date is the one I'm going to talk about because we had Spoken with a couple on Cassidy and made plans for dinner and then see where things go. And the four of us hit it off very well. Conversation was easy, very fluid, and they were both, oh, she was so, so And he was so handsome and you know, we're really getting a good vibe with the four of us and everything. And they invited us to their hotel. And they had come down cause they were out of the area enough, that they got a hotel room and they were in the Bellagio in one of the upper floor suites. And So we took a cab back over to their hotel and we went up into their room and they had brought a cooler with any kind of alcohol, wine. Beer, booze.

Jay:

This just wasn't just a room or just your average suite either. This was like one below the penthouse. Yeah. Oh, wow. This place was bigger than most people's apartments.

Elle:

Right. And a beautiful view of the strip and they brought, oh, 30 candles or something. They like, lit candles all over the room. They had music playing and you're in this amazing vibe of Just sexiness. And at one point she and I were sitting on the sofa and talking and she asked if I liked girls and I was Just starting to experiment with it. And so, we had some fun playful kissing on the sofa and Touching and then the music was playing and you asked her to dance or she asked you she

Jay:

asked you

Elle:

Okay, I didn't remember that first first and then poorly And then you did some nice ballroom dancing with her and it really continued to set that sexy vibe mood. And we, we took it to the bedroom and had two queen beds in there. And what was interesting is it was not a full swap. It was a very soft swap. There was some he and I made out, you and her made out. I think there was some light touching and other fun nether areas.

Jay:

Okay, it was usually a threesome with the two guys rotating. Back and forth, back and

Elle:

forth with the girls. Okay. There

Jay:

was kissing, touching, oral.

Elle:

Right. But there was no penetration with he and I or with you and her? Nope. I think even if I'm gonna out myself, at one point, towards the end of the evening, they were on the other bed watching us. We were having sex and I believe you went in my ass. Yes. Yes. And they just watched Wide-eyed and Oh wow. It was. So hot for everybody. And we left that evening just on this high and exchanged phone numbers and everything. And we were looking to make some plans of trying to meet them, maybe somewhere and try and connect up with them. And we just never did reconnect until. Side note, a couple years later we were at a girls on court holiday party where the men and the women are there. And this guy walks by and he's just grinning goofily at me and then this woman walked up when we saw her, she was a blonde and now she was a redhead and she's like, you don't remember us. I'm like, I want to. It wasn't that

Tramp:

couple. It

Elle:

was that couple and they had just moved to Denver and because he grown up here and I think he was in the military here as well and retired and wanted to come back to Colorado. So we've run into him a few times, we've never gone out with him again, but we left that Vegas trip I think I have a crush on her. Like that was my first girl crush where it was just so sexy and so seductive. I was like, wow, that took my head and my body, you know? And so for me, that's my, my favorite.

Tramp:

so much for sharing that. That was definitely sexy. So, guys, I'm going to go next. And this happened a couple years back with Lady and I. We had a couple reach out to us from out of town. I've mentioned them in earlier podcasts. Their names are Trey and Ivy. And, leading up to the date, you know, it's not uncommon to establish a text with all four of you on it to kind of gauge compatibility and whatnot, because from the Cassidy profile, there's only so much that you can get from that.

Elle:

Agree.

Tramp:

Personality wise and everything else. And. It kind of devolved, it was just Trey and I, so the two guys just pretty much texting back and forth, and the girls were largely silent.

Elle (2):

That happens.

Tramp:

I know

Jay:

how that feels.

Tramp:

And as much as I asked the lady to get involved, she just didn't, and that was just kind of her personality type. But we end up meeting here in Denver and grabbing cocktails and all four of us just clicked. It was, it was great. And we had cocktails and then dinner at a tapas place and very flirty, just very good. And we decided to Have another round of cocktails closer to their hotel.

Jay:

Sorry. Was this early in your lifestyle?

Tramp:

It was, I want to guesstimate about two years ago, give or take. So at this point we were already full swap.

Jay:

Okay.

Tramp:

And. I remember it fondly because Ivy. So the female half of the couple was very straightforward. And as we were driving to the cocktail place She was like, Hey, we, really like you guys. We get along really well after another round of cocktails, would you say we take you back to our hotel?

Elle:

Oh, I like that direct, very

Tramp:

direct, very straightforward. And that takes, I just want to say balls from the male perspective, but, you have to be confident. You have to be able to put yourself out there for risk of rejection.

Elle:

Yeah, got to read the room too. And

Tramp:

exactly. And I should probably describe the couple. Trey is tall, like me, muscular. and Ivy is just this little firecracker, just an amazing body brunette. And quite the looker, I have to say. And so he has a

Jay:

huge grin on his face. I do.

Elle:

I'm intrigued.

Tramp:

And we get to this really nice little cocktail lounge and at that point end up sitting next to Kind of switching places and we had a couple drinks and just carried on and got back to the hotel room and it was just game on. And it was quite the experience. The girls didn't interact as much as I love watching that. This was just one of those situations and I, it's one of those things in the lifestyle where not all women are by or, or even have attractions. Some are straight and that's okay.

Elle:

Sometimes it's just situational and sometimes it's situational. It's you have to have that attraction and feel that energy and sometimes it's there and sometimes it's there, but it's more my, I might be more attracted to you.

Jay:

This is no secret, but I love it when you find that attraction.

Tramp:

It's fun to watch. Just from my own historical experiences, it's very fun to watch. I can't necessarily talk about Lady's experience with Trey, but me playing with Ivy, I remember we got naked and I threw her on the bed and, and I looked her right in the eye and just said, the only words I want to hear are faster, slower, or harder or softer. And then I went down on her. Wow.

Jay:

Yeah. I think El just got a little wet.

Tramp:

And we played, condoms were involved and she broke out this little rosebud toy. I've never seen one before. Like I've seen vibrators and I've seen wands and dildos and all that, but this was just like a little, I guess it was a sucker. Yep. Suckers. And, I remember she was using that on herself while she was kind of straddling me and stroking me. And at that point the condom was off, part of my personality is I love being teased. So, she would have the sucker on her clit for a little bit and then take my cock head and just tap it against her clit and then go back to stroking me. And it was just so erotic and so hot to watch.

Jay:

When can we meet these people?

Elle:

They come back.

Tramp:

Oh, one day, one day I sincerely hope so. But all I know is after that, everyone was all smiles and this is just a great couple. And yeah, I sincerely hope I get another chance to meet them again.

Elle:

That is a wonderful story. Yes.

Jay:

Okay. All right. I guess I am up. Jay, you are up. Okay. My story is a little different. And so here we go. We have friends in Houston and they invited us down for an extended weekend. So we said, you know, why not? We've got the time. Let's go. And it was great. We had such a great time for the first couple of days. Saturday they held a pool party in our honor. Everybody was there at three o'clock, 10 couples and two single guys. I think it was, it was about 17 people. So including the host, hostess and us.

Elle:

Yeah, somewhere in there. Okay. And

Jay:

Typical, you know, Houston weather. You can never predict. It was pouring rain

Elle:

by four.

Jay:

Yeah. So four o'clock. Yeah Everybody's in shorts and tank tops and t shirts and at four o'clock The host calls everybody into their great room with the kitchen right there You know with a giant sectional couch and fireplace. It's all one big space And at four o'clock he said i'm calling it. We're starting the party now And he goes L J come here, sit in these bar stools and everybody was kind of fanned out around the sides. All of a sudden the music starts. It's the soundtrack from 50 shades and this woman comes out of the side room, full cloak and a full face, Venice masks. Sure. And she starts dancing.

Elle:

Kind of eyes wide shut.

Jay:

Thank you, eyes wide shut experience. And she's dancing and she's up against the crowd and she's flashing a little bit of this, a little bit of that. Finally, there's a chair in the middle of the room. She uses the chair and I mean, I'm sorry, she may have been pushing 50 or slightly over 50. She had an amazing body and she has had experience dancing. This wasn't a junior high talent show. No, not at all. It was so damn sexy.

Tramp:

What a neat party trick to have.

Jay:

The first song ended. She had lost the cape, lost the mask, gorgeous curly hair, blonde tattoos, and she's wearing a red bra and panties. Just so sexy. The second song starts. She walks right up, grabs L by the hand, pulls her out and sits her in the chair. And what makes this extra special is the host gave L her first experience with Molly. Okay. And so the girl starts doing a lap dance just for Al. Of course, we're all just turned on as all can be. And about halfway through the dance, You can tell the Molly hit Because she like gets nervous fingers and she's all smiles and she starts Just wanted to touch touch all the things and the dancer She just like puts the rubbing the breast on el's face and el latches on You know, it was just so damn hot and then it ended And now the host had told me usually Everybody departs to the different rooms. There are four bedrooms in the house. And threesome here, foursome there, that kind of thing. Everybody in the room was on the sectional. He and I, the host and I had the dancer first, each end, just a great little threesome. Well, people all around us.

Elle (2):

L's

Jay:

on the corner of the sectional with one single guy and one married guy showing her an amazing time. You know, orgasms, orgasms, orgasms. Take a quick breather because it's only like not even five o'clock. It's sun's still up. I'm laying back on the couch. The dancer is laying on my chest facing outward. Elle comes up and is just staring at her and she looks up and she goes, sweetie, do you want to eat my pussy? And Elle, with her hands clasped together, goes, May I? And she goes, Oh, of course. And Elle does a little girl dance and dives into that pussy. And I'm just like, jaw drop. It was just so hot. Just like to see her aggressive like this with a woman. And

Elle:

assertive. Thank you.

Jay:

Okay. Assertive. And the party went till 2 AM. And I mean, it was just amazing playing and everything. Wow. The one downside was at one point they have a neighbor. They had discussed him with us several times when we drove by his house. I guess his job is to professionally schmooze executives. So it's his job to party with high rollers. Okay. He's probably 60.

Elle:

Yeah.

Jay:

He's a flaming alcoholic.

Elle:

Yes.

Jay:

And in the middle, we're taking a break, probably the second break of the party. It's maybe six o'clock,

Elle:

seven, seven, seven. It's dark out. So

Jay:

all of a sudden front door he walks in. Hey, y'all having a party? What the hell? We're all naked. All the guys have taken Viagra. So they're all standing there with raging hard ons. This guy is so drunk, he's oblivious. And he just walks right over to the bar to pour himself a drink. His two daughters, 21 and 20, walk in behind him. Obviously, people start covering up and we start quickly walking out to the hot tub, you know, to get and the host is like trying to get him out. One person goes to the daughters. Do you, you, you okay? You understand? And the daughters were like, Oh yeah, we know what's going on. It's no big deal to us. Didn't

Elle:

faze them at all.

Jay:

But eventually they left by now. Everybody was like, 17 people in the hot tub, which was a big hot tub, 10 by 10 in ground, all part of the pool in the backyard experience. But it

Tramp:

had to put a little break in the vibe. Oh my God. Yes. The flow was broken. Yes.

Jay:

Of course, we're all laughing. We don't know what we can say. Should we talk about it? Should we not talk about it? Is he coming back? Coming back. But then everybody got back in the mood and we're back in the house and went at it again. Yeah. And I think at the end, by the end of the night, I think I had. You had sex with four of the seven women. Yes. And you had had sex with five of the men and two of the women. Maybe three. That sounds about right. That sounds about right. But yeah by 2 a. m. I mean

Elle:

tired But it was such a great party and it was a good group of people brought together and we really appreciate it and

Jay:

there was the one the gorgeous the stunningly hot woman and I was like, you know, you don't know me and I'm trying to you know I and she goes honey you got invited We know you're good to go I thought, wow,

Elle:

the

Jay:

host invited you, you're vetted. It's all good. And I like, wow, we found our people.

Tramp:

I think group experiences of that nature are some of my favorite experiences. When, you just get a group that clicks and Yeah, it's just kind of a free for all, I guess you could say. And it's so much fun

Elle:

point and just pick up where someone left off for,

Tramp:

but it also means that you have to have ultimate trust in your partner because you can get separated. You can, right,

Jay:

right. And some people are, that's a hard line. It is our same room only.

Elle (2):

Yeah.

Jay:

The other negative for this experience one of the women grabbed me into one of the bedrooms. And she clawed, and I do mean clawed my ass so bad I bled

Elle:

on the sheets. We're like, I just, I just

Jay:

thought she screwed, you know, she just dug in real well. It's not like you

Tramp:

have eyes back there, right?

Jay:

And then the next morning we're helping the host and host to clean up. It's just, oh my God, the sheets are stained. I'm just like, is that poop? And I look, I go, no, it's blood. I go, Oh my God. And I turned and looked, she goes, holy cow, did you have sex with Wolverine? I mean, there were claw, this just two claw marks going down my ass cheeks. So other than that, it really was just such a wonderful party. Yeah. Just a great experience with wonderful people.

Elle:

It's a testament to putting the right people together.

Tramp:

Yes. And when you find a group like that, yeah, it's, it's something you want to hold on to. Yep. Well, guys, thank you for sharing those stories and hope

Jay:

you don't lose any listeners because of that. Oh,

Tramp:

stop. And I think for the unapologetic honesty there are two things that I wrote down. That's kind of applicable to all three of our stories is number one in almost all those stories. There's one person who's the fire starter.

Elle (2):

Yeah.

Tramp:

That one person that just puts it out there or gets it moving, gets, gets the party going. We've all been in those I don't want to say uncomfortable, but you want to make the move, but

Elle:

the weird, awkward, yeah,

Tramp:

the weird, awkward, just before

Elle:

seventh grade. Yeah, high school dance kind of feeling.

Tramp:

And then really that communication is King.

Elle:

Yes, always.

Tramp:

Absolutely. So whether it be you and your partner or when you're conversing with the other couple and asking the permissions and just saying, we would really love to play with you guys and just being very transparent about it

Elle:

and

Tramp:

honest.

Elle:

Yeah.

Tramp:

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Jay:

Okay. I did not know that.

Tramp:

Yeah.

Jay:

My first response to the, Oh honey, that's too much work is baby. You're doing it wrong. That's

Elle:

my thought too.

Jay:

We do a lot of threesomes because sometimes coordinating with other couples, it's just too hard.

Elle (2):

Yeah.

Jay:

You know, people have busy lives, you know, when you have enough single friends, they go, Hey, let's do this. You know, hit us up and, you know, we're sitting at home watching TV and suddenly, bing, there's one of our friends, male or female, it's like, yeah, come on over, let's have fun.

Elle:

Yeah, I'd say you're definitely doing it wrong if it seems like it's too much work. To have that kind of a situation. I think my experiences have been that, you know, if it's me and you and another gentleman there's a lot happening and I don't necessarily need to know what's going on. I mean, it's just, rolling from one thing to another, but I'm taking

Jay:

care of you so you don't have to think about very much. So

Elle:

other than the times where we start and you're both standing in front of me and I'm taking care of both of you. You do enjoy that. I do enjoy that as well. But it does, seem to go more, flowy. And I don't feel like it's more work at all.

Jay:

Okay. I enjoy that. I've only been the man in the middle two times? Just

Elle:

a couple.

Jay:

Just a couple times. I can't sit back. That, that's not my personality. I have, yeah,

Tramp:

you don't like to be idle.

Jay:

No, I, I understand. And maybe that's why I can't, as far as bondage goes, I can't be tied up and just made to, to take it, to take it, take it. You're so nasty. Seriously, I have to be involved. Yeah, you, yeah. I mean, even if, if the woman's, you know, blowing me, I have to be touching her. I have to be angry. Yeah. I'm, I'm the same way. I have to feel I'm giving back. Yes. So, I don't know. There are women out there that feel their job is to please, both the men and the men aren't really good lovers. I don't know.

Elle (2):

Yeah.

Jay:

But last time we did a MFM with you. I mean, we're just. He and I are in sync, and we're at, one's at one end, one's at the other end, or, you know. One's fucking you or going down on you. The other one's kissing you or he's got his cock, in your mouth. And you're just, you're just, you're just happy,

Tramp:

hopefully that answers the listener's question. I think it all truly, depends and it depends on the individual

Elle (2):

and

Tramp:

how involved they want to be, or some people, quite frankly, just like to be used.

Elle (2):

True.

Tramp:

Yeah. So. But personally, yeah, I need to be involved and active and it's not just for my own pleasure. I want to. Pleasure. The person in the middle. But it's both ways, I guess you could say.

Elle:

And once again, it comes back to communication. So it's talking about what you want, what you're interested in, what it's good. There are days I don't want to think,, I'll make it happen. It's like, I don't want to think I'd like, that's such a

Jay:

slippery slope because I can't read your mind. I said, well, I thought we'd have someone come over no, whoa. Okay. Hey, I thought maybe we could do this different kind of sex act tonight

Elle:

and look at us communicating. Yeah.

Jay:

Yeah. You got to communicate.

Elle:

You have to, you

Jay:

know, and sometimes it's like, Ooh, I That would be fun,

Elle:

right?

Jay:

Yeah, and suddenly game on.

Elle:

Yeah,

Jay:

but you got to talk you can't

Elle:

yeah,

Jay:

you're not one to be surprised

Elle:

No

Jay:

as much as I would love that.

Elle:

No,

Jay:

you are not

Elle:

You know not to have somebody come into our house in the middle of the night and slide into bed and fuck me

Jay:

What friends of ours?

Elle:

That is that one is not for me no One, you know better than to wake me up in the middle of the night.

Tramp:

But I think, for a future episode, we can break down communication styles and even within the lifestyle, sometimes we're afraid to talk to our partners about, Hey, what about this? Yeah. What about that? Wondering if you're crossing the line,

Jay:

Oh, and that's why I think for all new couples, I say, listen to podcasts, you hear the good stories, you hear the bad stories and then you can talk. Hey, what do you think about such and such?

Elle:

If that happened to us, what would, how would you react? Yeah,

Tramp:

that's, that's a great way to go about it.

Elle:

Yeah.

Jay:

Yeah.

Tramp:

Well, J and L, thank you from the bottom of my heart. Once again,

Jay:

our pleasure

Tramp:

just for everything that you've done for me. And hopefully the listeners have enjoyed hearing and will continue to enjoy to hear their own experiences as we move forward here. And so guys, I really do need some emails for the ask us anything questions we can be reached at unapologetic swingers at gmail. com. And if the biggest way that you guys can help us is whatever podcast site you're listening to us on, just leave us a review. That would be the most helpful thing for, moving the podcast, just kind of up the rankings and getting our message out. We do not have a set plan for next episode. It will probably be another interview format, I would imagine.

Elle:

Yep. Until next time, I'm Elle.

Tramp:

And I'm the Tramp.

Elle:

Be sexy.

Tramp:

Be confident.

Elle:

Be unapologetic.