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Unapologetic Swingers: Epsiode 19 - Desire Adventures

• Unapologetic Swingers • Season 1 • Episode 19

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The Tramp and Elle are joined by special guests Champagne and Bruce who have extensively visited both Desire properties. Plus a bonus sexy story from their recent visit.

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Elle:

Welcome back to Unapologetic Swingers. I'm El

Tramp:

and I'm the Tramp. And guys, we're just so appreciative that you continue to come on this journey with us and through all the ups and downs and the thrill victory and the agony of defeat. Sometimes it's, it feels like that in a lifestyle you get a few of those stories. Yeah, of course. But today we are very thankful to have two guests with us.

Champagne:

Yay, Bruce

Tramp:

and Champagne. Welcome guys.

Champagne:

Oh, absolutely. We're so happy to be here.

Tramp:

Thank you for having us.

Elle:

Welcome. Jay and I have known the two of them for a number of years now. Mm-hmm. And they have always been such a light and wonderful energy, and it's like, you know, you get this extra joy when you see them somewhere and know that you're gonna spend time together and you're gonna have a good time, and the conversation is gonna be good. They're both so smart, so intelligent, so sexy, and I am just so excited to talk with them. A couple weeks ago ran into them at the ranch and Sure. And they had just come back from desire and we're all excited about that. So you know, thought it might be fun to have them on here, but first of all, can I just say something? Of course. I'm gonna apologize for my attire. I got out of the shower, I was getting ready and I had a little black night on'cause it was warm upstairs and Jay told me to wear it. So, just so you know,

Tramp:

I don't think you're getting any complaints and Okay, I bet the listeners wish that. It was more than just a, a audio podcast. It was YouTube.

Elle:

So I do wanna 0.1 last thing out to a couple of the stories that I've told over the last few episodes. This lovely couple, champagne and Bruce, were part of both the New Year's Eve one. Mm-hmm. In the last episode. Mm-hmm. All about orgies. And then when we were talking about organic play and it was the ranch. And it was my birthday and Oh, the infamous birthday. Yes. And I went downstairs and the two of them were on the Foursquare, having a great time, and Champagne looked up and went, oh, it's Elle's birthday. You have to fuck her. And Bruce went, I don't have the bag. I'll get the bag. You get started. So anyway, I again. Fun people. Super glad that they're here.

Tramp:

I'm sure Bruce is like,

Bruce:

well, if I must, yes. That was a very, very special time. I enjoyed it and it's very distracting with your outfit again, I'm

Elle:

gonna say. Okay, good. That was kind of my main focus.

Tramp:

Good memories.

Elle:

It's meant to relax you.

Tramp:

There

you go.

Tramp:

So guys, if you don't mind me asking, how long have you guys been in the lifestyle and let's just kind of set a. Of groundwork and maybe a quick version of your story,

Champagne:

absolutely. It was at about 60 years now.

Tramp:

Yep.

Champagne:

And our first really crazy adventure was that desire, which we can chat about, but we were empty nesters and been married forever. I met Bruce when I was 18, so and awesome, awesome sex and just. Very adventurous and he immediately started Googling and came up with this incredible spot where you could be naked all day long, so yay.

Bruce:

We got lucky to find that place as our first, yes.

Champagne:

Yes. Yeah, it was wonderful.

Tramp:

Fantastic. It's funny how so many stories start with desire because my own, yours does too. Absolutely. Mine does too.

Elle:

Mm-hmm. Or my husband, you, not mine, but pe I've heard people tell stories that their husband was just looking for a place, thought it may be fun. Sort of threw it out there. Okay. Let's see what happens here. I mean, I have heard that a number of times. Mm-hmm.

Tramp:

I truly believe that. It's kind of like once you rip off that bandaid, not necessarily jumping into the lifestyle, but just getting naked and having fun and being under the sun and, oh, yes, it's addictive. It really is.

Bruce:

Not only that, it was also just the lead in to that, in which once you decide to jump in and book the flight and the reservation, it's all the. Talking about what's gonna happen, the anticipation, and boy there's a lot of good sex. Just each time that we talked about what we're gonna do and what, what it could be just before we got there.

Champagne:

Absolutely. Absolutely. Right. Just

Tramp:

letting your imaginations run wild a little bit. What what could be and what might be, and that's a lot of fun.

Elle:

Yeah, for sure. Absolutely. So when we were talking about doing the podcast and having you on, you seem very excited about maybe sharing some things that you've learned along the way that as you've been on telegram groups or talking to people who haven't been there before, just some of the questions that they have and, and that you wanted to bring some of those up and kind of answer'em so that anyone out there is wondering or is scheduled to go and still not sure that they have a little bit more information.

Champagne:

Yeah, we've been to both desire Riviera, Maya, and Pearl and there's so many questions. There's a lot of telegram groups for the actual week that you're going right before you go. Yeah. And there's lots of ways to find those. And there's also a, a spot called Desire Forum where it's been in the works for, I don't know, 20 years. And it has everything you would ever wanna know about the resort. People post their first time, they post their adventures, they ask questions as their hair dryers in the room, anything you want to know, right? Just A to Z. But we just got back about 10 days ago. Which was a, an awesome trip.

Elle:

You're still tan by the way. I know.

Champagne:

And I think some of the things that I hear a lot is, Hey, the Riviera Maya property is expanded. It's very new. And if you were me and wanted to go, which one would you choose? How would you answer that, Bruce?

Bruce:

Both of them are very great in their own way and. Similar, but they do have subtle differences. And I would say that the Riviera Maya has a rather newer grounds to it. And so it's really upgraded itself and it is a very new modern, a great pool, great hot tub, great bars, dance club, and Pearl is still a little bit behind the times, but it's smaller and intimate and. It, it really just depends upon the people that are there at the time that I'm sure I've never

Champagne:

had a bad time at either.

Tramp:

Right. I was gonna say. That makes sense. And having been to both myself, but I haven't been back to RMS since the expansion and, and I don't know, I kind of have mixed feelings just, just because of so many great memories in the old hot tub and, and the old disco and the old pool. Is it gonna. Just kind of wipe those, still have that vibe. Yeah. Still have that vibe and still have,

Champagne:

it's definitely changing and I hear people who have been regulars like we have say, oh, I did miss that. And I think that it's interesting because the original group who owns that, they're really. Taking their members through a journey from temptation, which is really, really partying and bachelor parties and,

Elle:

yep. Adult spring break. That's what I think Spring break when I think a temptation break.

Champagne:

They're trying to kind of move those folks up the chain and we noticed the last two times a went to rm much more of a temptation vibe, so people who actually keep their swimsuits on, which is absolutely your choice, but many more, more than 50% now, which was.

Oh, that's interesting.

Champagne:

And a big party shots at the pool, which is fun, but lots and lots of that and loud music and, and late night parties, which is all great. But definitely changing to more of a, a blended temptation desire

Elle:

vibe. Hmm. That's interesting. I hadn't heard that yet. Yeah. I did hear that it was more of a party atmosphere. It was loud that there was a lot of music. That looks lovely. It's fun that it just, I mean, the whole, all the new stuff is just amazing. I think the last time that Jay and I went where our hotel room was at the far end of one of the garden levels, and we looked right over into it and it was just to the, it was down in the ground. I mean, they were just starting to get all the cleaning out and. That's not the word. Infrastructure. Thank you.

Champagne:

I think one of the cool things is they've kept the old pool that was the hotspot. Mm-hmm. So it's like a quiet pool now. Right. So it's called the quiet pool. Yeah. And I did notice a lot of people having a, a really nice time reconnecting with that resort over at that side of the resort. Okay. So you get a little bit

Elle:

more room, you can have some of the chairs, which is sometimes an issue. Yes. And you can have a conversation. Yes, yes.

Bruce:

Oh, I, I like that. The nice thing about what they've built. In terms of the newness is that you can stay pretty much in the new area and it has everything that you want that has a great pool. The, the Playmakers are there great bars. The hot tub is right above it, and they have restaurants there. And so if you're staying next to that, you're pretty much in a brand new resort it feels like. Mm-hmm. And then only if when you go to the other side, do you. Go back and you re-experience what it used to be like. And so you can have that experience. And it was fun for us.'cause when we were there for New Year's, they had a pool party, like a big display happening on the pool. And so they closed down the new pool. And so everybody for one day had to go back to the old pool.

Elle:

Oh, how was that? Was it crowded? Was it full? It was packed. I bet it was. I've never been in it when it was totally packed. Usually there's like a congregation of people along the sides and the different parts, but it was perfect. Peoples. It was perfect. Yep.

But now you

Tramp:

have all the new rooms with the expansion, with the Eden expansion, right? Those it's is more people. Absolutely.

Champagne:

Oh, for sure. Absolutely. But did

Elle:

it double

Champagne:

and it it I think they added 50 more. Okay. So it's like almost 190.

Elle:

Okay.

Champagne:

But I do think the crowd is definitely changing, which, you know what, change is great. Okay. There's nothing wrong with that. You can always find exactly what you want there.

Elle:

Yeah.

Tramp:

Now I have heard that the. Lifestyle element. You have a lot more people now that are not necess necessarily. They are not. Right. Lifestyle. Yes. And granted, we all started somewhere, we probably didn't jump into the deep, into the pool immediately, except for Elle. What?

Elle:

Oh yeah, I did. That's right. That's actually exactly accurate.

Tramp:

But now it's a lot more prevalent, just as you said, with people keeping on their swimsuits, for example. And for the record, when I eventually get back there, I'm gonna skew that back in the new direction.

Elle:

Nice. Excellent. Excellent. You're gonna just be that one extra that does not and just exactly walks around. Yeah, I'm,

Champagne:

yeah, we were surprised. A couple times you have to, you have to ask and you have to be more so than before, because there was this one couple, we were walking out of our room and they were at the same time, and we went down to the hot tub together and they were 30. 30. Lovely. They had been going for, I think 15 years, so we automatically assumed, right. You know, they were in the lifestyle and we were talking in the hot tub and all of a sudden it came up. Oh yeah, no, no. We just played with ourselves. And Oh, okay. Thank you. And they're lovely, but, right. I was surprised.

Elle:

Yeah. Well, and I, I remember when we went the first time and just to find out,'cause I think we assumed that everybody was lifestyle. Yes. And then you start realizing, oh, there's nudist. And you start, there's people who are voyeurs. There's people who, you know, wanna be watched. Exactly. The other side of it. Mm-hmm. And, and that's all they're looking for. And it's like, oh, okay, we gotta ask some more questions. You know, this. Which is good. Again, come back to a consistent theme on our podcast, and that's communication, whether it is with your partner or with someone that you just met.

Tramp:

Mm-hmm. Very true. And the one thing that has stuck with me with the desire properties from our very first visit was how friendly everyone is. And I'm not just talking to staff, but I'm talking about the mm-hmm. The other, I don't wanna say attendees. Yes. But the other guests. Yes, absolutely. And how it's not a conference. I know, I know.

Elle:

Hey, I've messed up on words. It's all good.

Champagne:

Yeah, they're just such great people and I think the more you put into meeting people, the more you get out of your visit. Agreed. And this last time we went. We actually had connected on Telegram with a couple from Seattle. Mm-hmm. And it was so fun because we ended up breaking off and had about, four way chat and we felt like we were friends and knew them.

Yeah.

Champagne:

And, had fun, sexy exchanges and photos. So when we met them there, it was just instant that we, you're just picking up where you left off. Felt, we've already been together a few times. Yeah. Yeah. It's

Bruce:

like we almost said. Already done the pregame. Oh yeah, for sure.

Elle:

Exactly. And so,

Bruce:

you know, when you, when you, what are you

Elle:

doing it too? Yeah. Woo.

Bruce:

So when we got there, we were just, you know, friendly and ready to go. Yep. Sure. And so,

Champagne:

bingo, you guys are always friendly and ready to go. I'm

Tramp:

not gonna lie. Oh, that's especially with you two. That's awesome because all too often, and this is just only a personal anecdote, but. People on the telegram groups, you always have those people who, they'll post pictures every day and be very flirty. And then when you meet them in person, they're just wallflowers. It's a whole other different persona. And it's a whole different, it's, it's like you have an online persona and an in-person persona. I'm like, where? Where did that fun person go? Yep. Yeah. Yeah. And you just, yeah, you wanna build that connection in advance, but it's just. Not there. You feel like you have to start from scratch.

Champagne:

Yeah. It was perfect.'cause all the questions you would spend when you first meet, how'd you get in the lifestyle? Do you have kids? All those things where you just don't really need to spend time on them. Right. Once you know Yeah. Ahead of time, then you can move on to other topics.

Bruce:

That's a very good point that you had there. Tramp is that even though they're showing their showing themselves on Telegram and you assume these things, the the basic question has to be asked. It. If you're ready, willing to play, you have to ask that question still, but do you guys play in the lifestyle or how do you play? And those questions you, you can assume because they're showing themselves quite frequently on, on Telegram. But we saw one that one lady that was every day was showing these sexy pictures

Champagne:

every day.

Bruce:

Every day. And they were great pitchers and we were excited and, and then they are not in the lifestyle. Yeah.

Champagne:

He said, oh no, I, I only. Have my wife with me, but he was putting her out there for a show quite a bit. But I'm happy

Elle:

she could turn you all on. I know

Champagne:

it was a really interesting mix

Elle:

we had, we had one on our first telegram group going there that. Online. I mean, he was almost abrasive. Like, I am not looking forward to meeting this person because he was just constantly in there and like hammering and just was kind of vulgar and everything. And I'm like, God, what is this guy gonna be like? And we get there. His wife wasn't on the chat. She has a very busy job, so they get there and apparently that's him before, but when she's there, he is this nice, quiet, polite, reserved human. Yeah. And none of that comes out. It's like, does she, she know what he's like on there.'cause like it doesn't even, are we sure that's him? Oh my gosh. So that was interesting.

Champagne:

What you heard was not what you got. Mm-hmm. Yeah. No.

Elle:

Which I, in a way I was grateful for. Yeah. Yes. But it was such a, an obvious contrast. It was interesting. It's like, okay, could you at least please put your, true persona out there so that we know what we're getting. We wanna get to know you for who you are. Mm-hmm. You know.

Champagne:

I agree. I agree. Absolutely.

Tramp:

So maybe that's more of just like a pro tip. For any online interaction, doesn't matter if it's Telegram or Cassidy or whatever. Yeah. Just be yourself.

Elle:

Right? I agree.

Tramp:

Don't build yourself up to be this type of person and show up being type of person,

Elle:

somebody else. And on, on that note, don't post 15-year-old pictures. Oh, if they're not holding true. Yes. I mean, just be who you are. There's so many beautiful people out there and personality and inside and outside that if you're not really showing your true self, you're doing yourself as a disservice. I think

Champagne:

it's hard to hide too when you're naked in front of everyone. Yeah. If you're not the same person you've portrayed yourself to be,

Elle:

right.

Champagne:

You're going to be revealed soon. Like it.

Elle:

That's been a hell of a week for you, hasn't it? Anyway. Okay, so that's Riviera Maya. What about Pearl? What kind of tips and information and what, what do you think? I know it's smaller. I feel like I've, it's an older, changed it a

Champagne:

little bit and that's not true. It is amazing.

Elle:

Well, and I know that, and is it a little bit of an older crowd? It is, because that is what I've heard. I think so more And when I mean older, I mean our young ages. Yeah. Yeah.

Champagne:

I think that's more like 45 up, wouldn't you say?

Bruce:

Yeah, I would agree. And it seems that. There is a different flow that goes on at Pearl than it does at the Maya. Okay. And the flow being what you do during the day, you get your chair by the pool, you hang out there, you have some drinks in the afternoon, and you start getting ready for the hot tub dinner show. And then at Pearl it seems that it goes a quick dance and then people are back to the hot tub. Whereas at Maya, yes,

Elle:

they're gonna be dancing all night. They're

Bruce:

dancing. There's a good chunk of people that will dance late and that's fun. And But Pearl is good too, because then you get back into the hot tub where if you're there to meet people, that's, that's the best place to meet'em. Yeah,

Champagne:

yeah. And we've always found very sexy people there. It's it's all about what you make of it. And I think that, it's very elegant. So that's one of the things I think it has over rm. It's very elegant that people are elegant and the rooms are, they're not brand new like part of Eden, but they're beautiful and they're well done. And they're large. And they're large. They're huge. Are they? They're a lot less expensive, which is surprising.

Elle:

Oh, and how's the bathrooms? Oh, are they? Master

Champagne:

Suite is my favorite. We always try and get that when we're there. And it's got two bathrooms. Oh. Hm. Which is magic.

Elle:

That's nice. Well, you've been in and it's huge. You've been in the old RM like I have. And you've been in Pearl, what's the size variation in like an average bathroom there?'cause they're pretty small. Think rooms are bigger. Okay. Pearl pearls are the, are the rooms and the bathrooms are, I'm sorry, yes. Sticking on the bathrooms, but it gets really, really crowded in there. Exactly. Luckily Jay doesn't have to do his hair, so. Yeah,

Champagne:

yeah, absolutely. And then they have the mansion at Pearl, which it's always good to have a friend in the mansion. Yes. We that's a kind of a little separate beautiful structure with rooms and its own playroom, their own bar. You can have private dinners there. And so if you know someone who's staying there or you happen to be lucky to get invited there, it's kind of a little experience within the experience.

Elle:

Yes. We're making plans to go with our good friend Dr. John. Oh yes. And his wife In September, when we were out a couple weeks ago to visit them, they're like, you should come with us. Let's just get a regular room. You can hang out with us the whole time. Did you see that 12 foot? King size bed that we have, you could stay. Yay. You know, so it, it's that we're really excited'cause we've not been, and we wanted to check it out. Yeah.

Champagne:

It's, it's, it's a beautiful vibe. The food is amazing. I think they have two restaurants and then a buffet. Okay. And they're very similar to rm. Really good food.

Elle:

Yeah.

Tramp:

Fantastic.

Champagne:

I know.

Elle:

Fun. Okay. So I'm gonna ask you guys, is there anything else about desire that you feel is important? Pro tips to, for anybody who might have a question?

Champagne:

I think I do highly recommend the telegram groups. Yes. And you can join them. I think it starts to get a little bit more active a couple months ahead. Maybe three.

Elle:

Yeah.

Champagne:

We're going to again in October, and it's just kind of barely kicking off.

Elle:

Yeah.

Champagne:

But I give it a shot. Mm-hmm. I think, I think either one, you'll have an amazing time. I think we're gonna try Pearl next just because it's been a bit since we've been there. Yeah. And we miss it. And, you get to know the servers Oh, sure. And the people who help you out. And they're just incredible people. And tip them well. Tip them very well. They deserve it. Oh, they deserve it. And they'll treat you like king and queens always. Yeah. Regardless of tipping even. But.

Tramp:

Yeah, sure. So many of those guys have been there for years and years and years and it's, and it's always good to see that friendly face.

Elle:

Exactly. See that bartender get the hug when you arrive. Exactly. Yeah.

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Elle:

Excellent. So. Champagne. Bruce, I would love to hear your favorite story adventure that you had had, and maybe even if you're willing to share with us any, any disaster or'cause I think that helps people learn a lot more than the, the good stuff or the good stuff's. Fun to hear. Yeah,

Champagne:

absolutely. You'll cover after I'm done, our first experience there, which is, oh, you want to.

Do we'll unroll

Champagne:

that one, but my favorite, favorite will never ever leave my mind. We went to Pearl on my birthday in June. It was beautiful weather and unbeknownst to me Bruce had been recruiting all day men in the pool and he had a whole game plan. The hot tub beds later that night. And so. Whew. I'm getting hot just speaking about it. Excellent. But it must be good. You look a little flesh was really, it was really phenomenal. But he had me tied up on a bed and, it blindfolded. Mm-hmm. And he ha I don't even know to this day how many men he had recruited

Bruce:

more than a couple. And I

Champagne:

actually don't know who they are to this day. Right. Oh wow. Which is more adventurous. And so I was completely ravished for at least. I don't know. Hour, hour and a half. Wow. And they said the nicest things to me and I just had men all of my ears and everywhere, all over. And it was the most erotic and exciting thing I've ever experienced.

Bruce:

That's fantastic. That is sexy. And it wasn't that hard to find people that were willing to come on up and just For sure. And experience a little bit of this pleasure. That was nice. Well, okay.

Champagne:

It's just their arms. Yeah. And

Bruce:

The pool beds there are very nice because they're right next to the pool and so you get quite a good viewing angle. The hot tub. Yeah. Yeah. Next to the hot tub. Correct. And so there's a lot of good viewing and people were intrigued. It was really funny the next day after we had the great event, when we're talking to this person and she said, oh my gosh, things were got, her got crazy at the hot tub. There was a lady. That was tied down. Mm-hmm. And multiple people just came on up and just were, were ravaging her and she didn't know that it was us. And so we said, oh really? Tell me more. What else did you hear?

Champagne:

And I would look at these men in their faces. Was just kind of thinking, was it you? Were you there? And I really, to this day did not know. We had one gentleman who was a color commentary expert. Oh. So he sat off to the side so I could hear really well, and he did color commentary of what was happening. That's hilarious.

Bruce:

He was there with, he was there with his wife on the bed, one of the beds next to you, and then everybody else came up, and so he would just mention as to what was happening. Okay. I'm. That's, that sounds hilarious.

Tramp:

It's like a play by play for Yeah, exactly. For a game.

Elle:

Exactly. That's when you wish you could have your phone out and do a video. I know, I know. Because that would've been hot to watch later. Exactly.

Champagne:

Ooh, yes. I'm sweating now. Uhhuh.

Bruce:

That was very nice.

Champagne:

Yep. So that was

Bruce:

one of our, one of our better ones that we had it most, you know, highlights. Yeah, one of the highlights. And then though how we started. Was quite an experience as well. When we did our first trip there, we got up and went to the pool and they give you the yellow bracelets. Mm-hmm. Signifying that you are a first timer newbie. A newbie, and sometimes that could be good for attention or a little bit overwhelming. Mm-hmm. And it got a little overwhelming for us. We had a lot of champagne. We were very excited. Hence the name Uhhuh. Very

Champagne:

common, a little too much first day.

Bruce:

And we had, before we knew it, we're just starting our venture in the lifestyle. And pretty soon on the side of the pool, you had two other people, two other guys and myself all having fun

Champagne:

and yeah. It was a little surprising'cause it wasn't, we didn't discuss it there and it wasn't like, it wasn't that there wasn't consent. We were obviously open to it, but I know one gentleman joined us who we didn't know.

Elle:

Oh, that's a little surprising. He kind of joined

Champagne:

in and I know Bruce is looking over like, I don't know if I like that. And I was. Busy at the time too, and I didn't like it. And we didn't have enough courage to say, let's this stop. You're new enough. Doesn't, this is not what we Yeah. Work expect. Yeah. It's easy to get overwhelmed, but No thanks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we've kind of let it happen, right? Because it was the environment. Mm-hmm. And I know I would've preferred to say, Hey, let's take a breather. Thank you. We'll see you later. Yeah. And we just didn't.

Bruce:

Yeah. And I think the yellow bracelets play a part in that and people see that and they will notice that. That was our first experience and we came back from that and went to the room and we pretty much like hunkered down for the next day as we had to like talk through all the, you know, what went on. Sure. And how did we not communicate well and, go back to what our. Rules and what we wanted to accomplish were, and and it took a day, and then we got back in it and it was, yeah, we were better for it. It was better, better. It was just one of those things that it just happened very fast.

Elle:

I, I think that's beautiful that you did that even isolating is okay and you regroup and you're talking about it and figure out. Okay. Was I okay with that? No, I wasn't okay with that, and I wasn't really okay with it either. Mm-hmm. So next time, what are we gonna do? Yeah. Next time in that situation, how will we handle it so that neither one of us feel uncomfortable? And that person doesn't necessarily feel uncomfortable. You, no one wants to hurt anyone's feelings. Exactly. But when you've jumped in and you are not invited, sir. Exactly. Yeah.

Tramp:

And I would say it's a testament to your relationship. Yeah. Just your ability to recover and recover relatively quickly, especially from an experience of that magnitude, let's just say, and being able to unpack that because the male and female brain, work in very different ways. Yes. So what Bruce May have been feeling and thinking in the aftermath, what champagne was feeling and thinking in the aftermath, you have to rectify those between yourselves. But you did. Mm-hmm. And you got right back in the saddle and that's awesome.

Champagne:

Yeah. And it did help us reaffirm what we do like. Right. You know, and our style is really, we love to be with another couple. Well, so he has great attention from another woman and, and vice versa. And so that works really well for us. Mm-hmm. And so for it to be so one-sided, I felt very guilty. Probably unnecessarily so, but a lot of attention That's

Elle:

overwhelming. Especially the first time. And some of that wanted, yeah.

Champagne:

Yeah. And I think in talking to it, we said, okay, this is our preference. And so then we were able to kind of break off from even now and understand, oh, that's really what we prefer.

Elle:

Yeah. Which does change. It can change over the years. Exactly. Exactly. You have that as your base. You go back to that and you know that that's something that's gonna work for the two of you. Mm-hmm.

Tramp:

Yeah. But it's always fun to have new experiences or new variations mm-hmm. On an experience. A hundred percent.

Elle:

Absolutely.

Tramp:

Yeah. Just as your story just a moment ago.

Mm-hmm.

Elle:

Yeah. That you let yourself go and trust. You trust in Bruce? Mm-hmm. And you trust in the people that he brought in. Mm-hmm. Which of course he's probably standing right over him right there and making sure, taking care everybody's toe on the line and

Bruce:

might have been participating as well.

Elle:

I can't imagine that. Oh, that, that'll be a mystery. It's always a mystery. Oh, you might know one, but that, you were so comfortable and trusting and just had faith that it was all gonna be okay. I think that that's just lovely

Champagne:

and you hear that a lot. Don't take one for the team and I think those are all things as they're getting started too, are so important to say, I don't really care for that person. You have to honor all of that.

Elle:

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

Tramp:

Well, excellent guys. Thank you so much. Thank you. Absolutely.

Champagne:

Absolutely.

Tramp:

Now, real quick, if you were going for the first time to desire. And is it a flip of the coin or, what resort would you lean toward right now?

Champagne:

If you like nightlife, if you like to dance and really good music and stay up late and, and party, definitely rm if you like it, it feels more sensual and you know, in the hot tub you get to know people a little bit better. I would say definitely pearl.

Tramp:

Okay. There you go.

Champagne:

Okay.

Tramp:

I like it. Well, guys, thank you so much and we were lucky enough to get another a MA this week. Yay. So we're gonna encourage you guys to join in. This is basically ask us anything. It's, an emailed question. Oh, great. And yay. Our good friend up in Canada has sent us another one.

Elle:

I'm really liking

Tramp:

her

Elle:

a lot.

Tramp:

I do too. So she says, do you prefer clubs, parties, or private dates?

Elle:

Ooh, that is a great question. Depends on the day and the mood.

Bruce:

Yeah. They all have some great vibes to'em. Clubs, parties.

Elle:

I mean the clubs, it depends on the theme. It depends on who's there. Yeah. The energy level, the music, the people, the weather, you know, living in Colorado.

Champagne:

I like house parties.

Elle:

House parties have, we've, that's a pretty cool vibe we've had. We've been with the four of us, us have been some pretty fun ones. And may have

Champagne:

been at your house for a party. Oh, it was New Year's Eve.

Elle:

Yep.

Champagne:

And to know the people who are your hosts. And to be comfortable with who they are is really fun to start an evening, I think. Yeah. It gives you just a lot of calmness and confidence. Yeah. And I, I think those are fun. Yeah.

Bruce:

Yeah. And then be able to go into different areas and meet new people, which is, but in a smaller environment than a club. And so you're more intimate with them. Mm-hmm. Right. In, in a, at the house party. Mm-hmm. And then, the only thing that's that's interesting about a house party is that transition period when everybody's downstairs just, just partying it up and then all of a sudden it's like, when does that move go to toward the rooms and whatnot. The playroom, when does it turn sexy?

Elle:

You bring that, you bring that up, and the four of us were at a certain friend's house party and they said, okay, we have a couple of games to get started. And me in my head, and my first thought was really. Yeah, we're gonna do some games like we know each other, we're adults. But Jay and I have talked about it a number of times. We just actually just had dinner with them the other day. It's like, Hey, we, actually appreciated it. And one was, it was really nice, the the circle kisses. And so the women were in the middle and facing out and the men were on the outside facing in. And for one minute I think it was, you had to kiss that person. Now you gotta make sure everybody's attracted to everybody.'cause otherwise that can get awkward. Yep. However. Everybody having a minute to just make out with the other person did definitely start things off,

Champagne:

kick off.

Elle:

And then they had another game where there were different colored bandanas and there were two of each. So all the women chose a colored bandana, put it on, they went, well, they went into another room, then put it on. Let me clarify that.

Champagne:

Were we blindfolded? We were blind. We were, yes. So

Elle:

we went, we all found a spot on the different beds in the rooms and then put the blindfold on. And then the gentleman took and picked out of the bucket, a colored bandana and had to go find their match. And then that was like five minutes of that person just kind of touching and stroking. It wasn't supposed to be full on penetration, but I believe the second time around, Bruce, you were next to me and I, and I know who you were with, and. You guys went to town, however, yes. But we did it, we did do to this twice. I may or may

Champagne:

not have been with Jay at that moment Too. Uhhuh, I think so. In the other room.

Elle:

So that actually was a really great icebreaker. Yes. You know, we had hung out for a good hour or so with appetizers and snacks and. Always support snacks at these things. And champagne and champagne and getting to know everybody. I'm very sapiosexual, so everyone we spoke with was smart, intelligent, funny, easy to have a good conversation with. And that was a, that was a really good, that was really fun. That was just, yeah, not an, or was, it was a party, I think it eight to 10. Eight to 10, yeah. And that was

Bruce:

nice because once you. Put on the, the blindfold. People got into less clothing. And it was a good transition because you swapped the first time. You did the first find your partner. And you, were getting excited. And then by the second time it was like, okay, I'm ready. Game on, on game on. No more games needed.

Elle:

We're done. Let's move it.

Bruce:

And then it just went into just, oh boy. Oh yeah. Everywhere.

Elle:

Everywhere, everywhere. Pool table.

Bruce:

Yes. Sofa. I remember that. Pool table will never be

Elle:

the same. No. I remember, walking up to you Champagne and Jay on the sofa, and I just sat and watched. It was so sexy. So sexy to just, see two people who know each other, know each other's bodies and what they do and what works for them. So, so easy. Yeah. That nice, that great vibe. That was fun. Yep.

Bruce:

Yeah. To have the other couples that, you know, a couple of them

Elle:

mm-hmm.

Bruce:

And you were. Familiar with'em, but then to have the new people there,

Elle:

right.

Bruce:

And that transition of, okay, so what do you like? And you know, how do we start mixing and tingling with'em? And then pretty soon you are very familiar with them, you've had a great time and you've had some, so to speak, you know, new experiences. Yes. And then, and then, you know, if you get tired that you just. Watch somebody else or join on in it. It was a, that was a quite a sexy event.

Elle:

Oh yeah. I thought that was perfect. And it was their first house party. Yes. And I thought that they really knocked it outta the park with the people that they invited, the way it was set up. And then their house is just really, it was be perfect for, oh my goodness. Their basement was the whole downstairs. It was all, all different rooms and the entertainment room and the bar, and, and then we're all standing around at the end, kind of naked and snacking and talking and kind of finishing the evening off A lot more comfortable.

Yeah, yeah.

Tramp:

Yeah. I have to say, I agree with all those assessments. Clubs can just be hit or miss. Mm-hmm. Sometimes you have an incredible night. Exactly. Sometimes it just falls flat and it is what it is. With private dates, again, it can be hit and miss as you said, champagne earlier or was it ul where, on some profiles, their pictures are slightly out of date.

Elle:

That was me. So then it's a surprise again. Please just be true to yourself. Mm-hmm. We wanna know you,

Tramp:

right? Or a different persona. Yeah. Online and, and in the chat beforehand versus when you meet them in person. So I would say definitely house parties would be my favorite. Realistically, it's because the hosts typically do some very good, I guess, vetting, if you will. Yeah. Mm-hmm. And so, yes, it's gonna be a curated group where they have to make some assumptions that everyone's gonna get along if there's a new couple or someone you haven't met before, another couple. It's really easier to gel in those environments. So at least that's my, my own ire personal opinion. I think you're,

Champagne:

it's especially nice when people throw them often. So there's a few I know in our area where they just once a month they,

Elle:

oh wow.

Champagne:

The first Friday or whatever is, is something they open their homes and, and I think there's a little bit of money to be made there. Yeah, there can

Elle:

be, there used to be like when we first. Got in the lifestyle, we were kind of up in your area and it was called the Ravens Nest. I've heard of that one. Uhhuh. Yeah. And we went to two, two parties there and it was set up really well. And the upstairs, you know, booze and snacks, people getting to know each other downstairs was, and I think we've even talked about it on our first house party and it was fairly consistent so you could see that it was coming up and, and that was nice to have. Mm-hmm. Yeah. We don't have all as much of that, I think, post covid.

Champagne:

Right, right. That's a great point.

Tramp:

Alright guys, well I think we're gonna tie this one up and once again, everyone, we just appreciate you coming on this journey with us. For sure. If you would like to reach out to us via email, it's unapologetic swingers@gmail.com. Our website is also www.unapologeticswingers.com and wherever you have to be listening from the number one thing you can do is just leave us a review.

Elle:

Yes, please. We've had a couple

Tramp:

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Elle:

If you have any idea how excited it makes us to read those, you would be sending'em in more. Until next time, I'm l

Tramp:

and I'm the tramp.

Elle:

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Tramp:

be confident.

Elle:

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