Unapologetic Swingers

Unapologetic Swingers: Episode 20 - Jumping In With Both Feet

• Unapologetic Swingers • Season 1 • Episode 20

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The Tramp and Elle are joined by special guests Liz and Lee who have canon balled into the lifestyle in the last 8 months. Join us as they tell of their steep learning curve with some sexy stories.

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Elle:

Welcome back to Unapologetic Swingers. I'm El

Tramp:

and I'm the Tramp. And guys, we are just so thankful that you're continuing to come on this journey with us and it's a lot of fun just looking at the analytics from the past episodes and

Elle:

Right.

Tramp:

Seeing that we. I don't just have listeners, here in Colorado or just here in the States. It's

Elle:

all over the world. Oh my gosh. It's been so fun to look to see. And we won't call anyone out'cause you might be the only person there and everybody would know then. Right.

Tramp:

But we're just so thankful and just a little bit about the podcast. This is just our journeys and, our highs and lows and everything in between. And we do it for fun. Yes, we do it just to connect with people and to get those emails and try to help people through, some of the things that we have done on the, on the high side, and try to avoid some of the things that we've experienced on the low side.

Elle:

Right? The little warning fore forewarning. Well, and I think what we've really enjoyed about the whole thing is putting our own friends on the podcast, they're interesting stories and how they got to this point and how they got here. So I'm really excited because our friends, Liz and Lee said that they were willing to come on the podcast and talk, and they're fairly new, so it brings a different. Aspect to it and we've really had a lot of fun getting to know them and their stories and their real lives and everything. So welcome Liz and Lee and we're excited to have you here today. Thank you. Thank you for having us.

Tramp:

Well, thank you much. Thank you for joining us guys.

Elle:

Yeah. So I always wanna know and how you guys got here, what is. The story behind Liz and Lee are now in the lifestyle and take off their clothes for fun.

Tramp:

It's funny because everyone's journey is unique. It's different. Everyone's gonna have a twist to turn somewhere, and it's just so fun to learn about.

Liz:

Our twist and turns started in Key West on a vacation. And we've always vanilla vacation. Yes, it was a vanilla vacation. We've always had a very fun and intense sex life, and so we just went to Key West and there was a place that you can be clothes list. Is that the right word? Clothing. Clothing. Optional. Optional. There we go. Clothing optional. And we had kind of talked about it and during the day we walked by and I was like, Hmm, no, that doesn't really look like I want to venture there. And I don't know, Thursday night, Friday night rolled around and we're like, let's go. Let's go do it. And so we went and Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Elle:

Jay and I had dinner with you guys the other night. I'm gonna dial this back just a little bit because I know for a fact that you went somewhere else before you went to this bar and that kind of got you in the mood for some things.

Liz:

Well, we went the first night there. Okay. And we had a repeat second night. So the first night we went just to check it out and we were up there and nobody was taking their clothes off and. Here I go. I'm like, ah, let's go. Someone's gotta do it. And he's like, no, no, no. You don't have to be the first, you don't have to be the first. You just,

Lee:

I, I cautioned her. I was like, you don't always have to be the first. And then the white little dress came right off. So, yes.

Tramp:

Yes it did. And, and it's like taking off a bandaid. You may be a little nervous and then once it happens, you're like, I'm free.

Liz:

Yeah. It was fun. It was a lot of fun. And so we said, Hmm, what fun could we do the next night? Mm-hmm. So I said, let's go to the strip club. Ah. He's like, it's warming up. Yes. Okay. I'm sorry.

Elle:

I thought

Liz:

we missed a step there. So yeah. Good. So we went to strip club number one. Okay. And walked through. And

Lee:

husband daycare is what he said. Yes. Ladies dropped your husband's off at husband daycare.

Liz:

That's true. That's true. Yep. It was a bouncer outside just calling it out. Oh, exactly what it is. Exactly. Drop your husband's here. And I'm like, well, I'm joining my husband. So, right. Yeah. So we went in and a young female approached us and I was like, sure, let's, let's get a lap dance. So we go off to a little room and this is where you kick in. What were your thoughts on that?

Lee:

So I guess my history is. I've never really been to strip clubs. I've never, it's never been my thing. I've never gone to them, never. Just enjoyed strip clubs. It wasn't my thing. And when my beautiful wife is like, let's go do this, of course, I just say, sure, let's go. Sounds like fun. Mm-hmm. And then having this not to age myself, but this young female that was naked very attractive. Give me a lap dance. I just realized that's not my thing. So I was like, maybe strip clubs. I really are not where I'm gonna enjoy myself. And she said, okay, well, we walk out and in Key West on Duval Street, there's lots of strip clubs. She's like, let's try another one. I said, okay.

Liz:

And it just isn't the right strip club. Exactly. Exactly. And she, she was, she doesn't see, the first time she was like young, early twenties. Probably like a size zero. You can't get outta your head with that one. Yeah. And he's just like not so much. So we went to strip club number two, and I walk in and I'm like, okay, pick your girl. Look around. Pick your girl.

Lee:

Then I told her, I don't think it works that way. And she says, yes it does. You're in a strip club. And I'm like, okay. So then I saw a lady that was very attractive dancing on the stage. I said, okay, how about her? Because then I'm thinking she's on the stage and then she walks right off the stage.

Liz:

So I walk up to her and I was like, I would like to get a lap dance for my husband and I, and she's like, I will be right back. She comes and finds us and takes us back to the room and we do what? Two songs?

Lee:

I think so,

Liz:

yeah. And she was. Was playing with me. She was playing with him. And in Key West, like as long as you are not, as they say, touching the kitty Uhhuh, you are good to go. You can touch anything else. You can touch anything else. Yes. Can you kiss maybe in the more expensive? Sure. For sure. Yes.

Lee:

That wasn't our experience. There was no kissing,

Liz:

no. So after that he seemed to be thoroughly enjoying himself. And so they were like, well, do you wanna go to the upgrade? And I'm like, sure. Also known as the champagne room. There you go. So we walk like across the hall into a bigger room that has a couch, and they come in and do the transaction and bring in your bottle of champagne. And, and by the transaction they take your. Your money at that

Elle:

point? Yes. Okay. Oh, you have to pay ahead of time. They don't collect after swipe your, yeah, swipe your card.

Liz:

Yes. Okay. And they don't take American Express. Oh, oh, yeah. So I, I whipped that card out. She's like, no, we don't take that here. Can't. What I've learned though, I think you can pretty much then cancel your transaction with American Express. Oh. And you looked so they don't take it is the gist that I got from it. So, yeah. So gave them another credit card and the fun begins. So we were in there and she was very acrobatic and has on these spiky heels, and by this time he's all like, okay, just take a breath, like, settle down. She was too much. She was, she was, I mean, she was nice and, but she was. All over in that little room, and he's like, you're gonna poke one of our eyes out with your shoes. Like, take, take a breath. And so then she's now sitting on his lap and he's rubbing her shoulders. And that was kind of like the first time I've ever seen my husband have any sort of interaction with a female. And I'm like, oh, here we go. What's happening? And I'm just. Yeah, let me just drink some champagne. It'll be better. It'll be good. So, so you weren't sure how you like felt about that? Yes. Yeah. I'm like, I'm glad that he's enjoying it. I'm having a good time. Because I was involved. It wasn't just him and her, she was very much involving me. I mean, he's now getting two women's boobs rubbed in his face and who

Elle:

doesn't want them? Yeah,

Liz:

exactly. He was thoroughly enjoying it. But the, I don't wanna say caressing, just the. Lighter side of him, of massaging her shoulders. And he is like, take a break, just relax. And I'm like, ho, ho. Like that's, he does that to me. Like I'm not quite sure how I feel about this. And I'm like, let just, just let me keep drinking. It'll be fine. Lemme keep drinking. Oh no. So

Lee:

yeah, I was with the spinning and everything else. I think I caught her off guard. I was like, you need to stop. And she's like, what? Like looking at me. Like, what? What's going on? I was like, you just need to slow down. Just relax. We're here to have fun. Come on over, sit down, rubbed her shoulders. She's like, okay. She was on, she seemed a little bit uneasy at that point, just not doing her normal show.

Tramp:

Yeah. It was the, a break of the routine, right?

Lee:

Yes, yes. And then she's like, all right, and

Elle:

then you're off off your game. You're not sure what to do. She was,

Lee:

we were fine. Yeah. But then she got comfortable, realized that we're just normal people. We're not looking to do anything. You know, unauthorized or whatever. And then she started relaxing and just had a good conversation. Of course, boobs were out. It was amazing. And then she had to apologize. She goes, I'm sorry, I may have some wetness on your shorts because you got me wet. And I was like, oh, okay. I really had not been in a strip club, so I didn't know if that was normal or not.

Liz:

I

Elle:

don't know that it is.

Tramp:

I've had a couple experiences, but no, I can honestly say that my shorts have never been left moist, shall we say.

Liz:

So I think it was that she could just relax. Yeah. And somebody was showing her attention and. For lack of better words, affection. And Lee's a handsome guy. Yes. Yes, he has. He has this, you got that going for him. So when she said that, I was like, oh, okay, here. Okay. This is, this is different. This is weird. So then the offer was to move up to the more expensive room where From there, yes. It was like 15 or$1,800. Double champagne room. Oh, the diamond room. Yeah. And I think that was pretty much, did that hit the limit there? Anything goes? Oh, in that room? Yes. Wow. To like, and you could just go to a sex club and get that anyway. Well, yes, for not reading ahead.$1,800.

Lee:

Not for newbies.'cause you don't know about sex clubs. That's, that's true. At this point we did not

Liz:

up, so we leave there.'cause he's like, no, like, no, this, this was enough. You know? And so then we went back to the Garden of Eden. The clothing optional bar. Yes.

Lee:

To close out the night.

Liz:

Yes. And I think before I even stepped foot on the dance floor, I was completely naked.

Lee:

No,

Liz:

no,

Lee:

no. You were still a reserve. There was a lot more naked people up there. Completely naked men and women. So you

Liz:

weren't the first one? No, not, not that night. Okay. Yes. But there was also nowhere to sit that night. So it's, there's like benches on the, do you, do you wanna sit when

Elle:

you're naked?

Liz:

Outer side? Well, when you're sitting there clothed and you're enjoying the atmosphere, sure. But when we got up there, there were no open seats, so kind of like, and it was busy. Okay? We're just in the middle of the dance floor, okay?

Lee:

So for her very type A personality and us to work, she likes me to take charge. So at that point I said, let's go dance. She knows I can't dance. So. We go out in the middle of the dance floor and I'm doing the best I can to dance. Aw. And Liz is being very patient with me. And then I run my hands up along her thighs, grab a hold of her dress and then pull it up over her head. And then there she is completely naked In the very middle of the dance floor. Yeah. In front of everybody.

Elle:

Oh.

Liz:

That's kind of sexy. It's

Lee:

very sexy.

Liz:

Yeah. No panties, nothing. I was completely naked. Wow. Yep. And mind you, I had a lot of champagne, so, Right,

Elle:

right, right. And you'd seen quite a little show, so maybe that turned you on a little bit.

Liz:

A little bit. But I think there was a little more alcohol involved and I was just going with it. Yeah. But it took a little bit of a turn that there was a couple across from US dancing, and both of them were completely naked. So Lee stayed dressed. I mean, he had his hands full with me. Sure, sure. And my dress, so you know. Yes, that's right. His hands

Elle:

were full of your dress. I think he has his hands full with

Liz:

you. Anyway, but go on. And so I just kind of kept looking at her and even throughout our relationship you have that quote fantasy like, oh, wouldn't you wanna have a threesome? And what would that be like? And obviously it had never happened. So I'm looking at this girl, she's very attractive and I'm like, oh. And she's looking at me and I'm looking at her and next thing you know, security's like last call. Oh, I thought security was coming to break it up. No. So then she's like, oh my God, I wanted to come up to you so many times. And I was like, you should have, like, I have my arms wide open. Like come. Take a feel, whatever. Yeah. And so she started kissing another girl and I was like, well, hold up. Right? So I walk around the side of the table that they're on and I start touching her. And at that point, her husband took my hand off of her body and put it on his erect penis. Mm-hmm. And started as he had control of my hand stroking his penis. Okay. Lee comes around the side of the table and is like, whoa. Oh. And he's like, let me join the party. And now he's taking out his penis, and now I have two occupied hands on penises. That's a girl to do. And I'm like, I'm liking it. And then security's like, seriously, wrap it up. We're done. You close on. Yeah. When they're done, they're done. So we get our clothes back on before we are getting yelled at Davian Moore and. Grab the Uber and head back to the hotel, but the husband was like, where are we going next? And the wife's like, we have a flight in the morning. Get your clothes on. Oh. So yeah, I've been in

Tramp:

that situation. It wasn't in Key West, but in Vegas where you end up staying up all night and then you're like, oh, we have a flight to catch. And yeah,

Liz:

it's not good. No. So luckily we didn't have a flight, so we went back to the hotel and the champagne was taking hold and I no longer drink champagne. Oh yes. Right. Ew. Yeah. So he was taking care of me and he laid, awake, concerned about how I was doing and, and also kind of like replaying it in his head and woke up the next morning and we talked and now you have to give your perspective on that.

Lee:

We had amazing sex.

Liz:

That's true. Mm-hmm. We don't, we have amazing sex though.

Lee:

When children interfere. That seems fair. It's true. I'll just leave it at that. Yeah. Not interfere, but they're in the house. Yeah. So that's the only time. That's true. Every other time it's great.

Liz:

We have to be a little quieter.

Lee:

Yes. And for you that's very difficult. But I enjoy that. Right. Right. So we, we did that. We started looking at different, this was an adults only vacation. We didn't have children. It was just us. Really Hadn't done that. Had we done that up to this point where it was just, just a vacation, not a work trip, not a conference.

Liz:

No. I think this was the first one in our relationship. So

Lee:

we decided that we really, and we'd been together six years at that point, and we need to start doing this more often. So we started looking at adults only options. Then came across temptation in Cancun. I said, let's do it. Let's just go ahead and do it. We'll see what it's like. You could

Elle:

be naked.

Lee:

Well

Liz:

topless. Well topless. It's topless. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

Lee:

yeah.

Liz:

Which, yeah. At that time I had boob job number one done. So I'm like, sure, let's go. Right. You know?

Lee:

Yep. I'll come off.

Liz:

No problem.

Lee:

We got into the groups and for went to newbie. I'd recommend getting into any type of telegram groups, Facebook groups any of the groups that are out there, because in general those groups are extremely helpful. It's people that have been through it, people that know, okay, use this transport from Cancun instead of taking a taxi d little things. Right. That just makes your experience so much more positive. And then,

Liz:

but before we got to temptation, so from Key West in July. Yes. You're talking last July? Yes. A year ago. Yes. July

Lee:

of 24 is when we Okay. Kind of dipped our toes in.

Liz:

Okay. So that just, you know, when we woke up the next morning and he was like, I'm not gonna lie, I really liked seeing you with two penises in your hands. That was really hot. And I'm like. Oh, he could have been upset. Yes. And he was not. No, he was not. I mean, I think he was upset at first because he didn't know how it went down. And then once I explained to him that, I was like, no, you saw I was touching her and by the time you rounded the table, this is what had actually happened. I just didn't dive right into his penis and it was like, let me feel it. And so after we like talked about that, he was still like, it, it was still hot. Like, okay. Yes. Good, good. And so that really then dove us more into looking and talking and reading and discussing what if, like, do we do this? Like this is really hot. Like wow. And just talking about it was a turn on for both of us. And so did you even look in

Elle:

locally for anything around here? Or did you look like where can we travel to do this? Because it'd be crazy to think that we had something like this in our own backyard.

Lee:

Yeah. We, we were keeping it, we had the idea of keeping it separate at that point.

Liz:

Right. Vacation only. Right? Yes. That went out the window. But yes, we had talked because it was Key West, and then we had, we're going to temptation and we're like, okay, this is just, this is gonna be a vacation thing. Like we only, there's some

Tramp:

people who successfully keep it that way, but True. Yeah. I don't think, it's not in my wheelhouse.

Liz:

No. It. It has not become ours. No. So it changed quickly. But that is also something that we learned very quickly, that we're doing a lot of reading and a lot of conversing, and we're like, okay, we have this boundary and we have this boundary, and oh my God, I could not even imagine that happening. And nope, nope, we're gonna have this boundary too. And when we were in temptation and met a great group of people there was a couple that. Really was very welcoming to us. That was like, if you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask. And so it was really nice and him and I had talked about it and we're like, okay, would we be open to play with this couple? They seemed very receptive and understanding our position, and we're like, sure. So we met up for breakfast one morning and it happened to be. A rainy day, so we were not gonna be in the pool. Oh yeah. And they had had something to do on the inside. Right. And they had a jacuzzi on their balcony, so we were all in the tower. And so we met for breakfast and we're like, okay. And they invited us up and we went back to their room and conversed some more. And then they were like, we've, we've, we're a little nervous too, because we've never, we've never had newbies, so. Oh, you guys are nervous. And we're nervous, so we're all just gonna do this together. So we're like, let's jump in. Okay. Here, like, here we go. And so we just started in the hot tub and we're all naked and we're talking, and then it goes from there.

Lee:

So these people, I guess for newbies, if they're worried about going to temptation or any other type of club, oh my gosh, am I gonna be attacked? Am I not gonna be able to relax? Is it just gonna be a nonstop barrage? Our experience is it's none of that. It is. You could go to some of these resorts, enjoy yourself. If you don't talk to anybody, there may not be, they may be alone. There may be nobody that comes up and talks to you. It is going out to make friends talking, et cetera. This couple was in one of the groups. And we kind of had not, not, it's built in friends, if you will. You know people. Mm-hmm. You can hang out with them. You can go get drinks, have dinner, and get to know them a little bit better

Liz:

because not, sorry, not everybody in this group is in the lifestyle. Right. They just like the sexy environment and

Elle:

Very true. Especially going to Temptations. I think that's less lifestyle than say, desire. Yes.

Tramp:

But the same happens at desire. You have people who Oh yeah. Just like to be fully naked.

Elle:

Yep.

Tramp:

And but have no intention. They may be voyeurs or exhibitionists. Mm-hmm. But that's their limit.

Liz:

Yeah.

Lee:

And that's part of the interesting part that we've discovered is there are so many different varieties of people. And the other thing that we've seen, it's, again, your mileage may vary, but ours is everybody is so accepting. Everybody is welcoming and not only accepting, but they seem to be understanding. So we've met several couples that don't play, but they like to hang out and we have a great time with them. Mm-hmm. And they're a sexy couple, but we know their boundaries and we still have a great time with them. That's awesome.

Elle:

That's nice. You know, you can have like very open conversations with them that you don't normally, aren't normally able to have with Yes. People you just meet Very

Liz:

much so, yes. So we did our first swap at Temptation. And so it was a full swap. It was a full swap. I mean, wow. Went to town. Okay. We, we did, we just, you know, we're not the, let's dip our toe in the water. If we're going, we're cannon balling it. Let's just, we're going right into the deep end. Yeah. Yes. And so we did. So that was

Lee:

October of 24. 24. So three months later. And

Liz:

how was it?

Lee:

So I guess this is for the newbies. You don't know until you're there. And people want advice. They want to know what's on the other side of that door. And you're not gonna know until you open it. Yeah. So as I'm watching my extremely beautiful wife and then another man is powered and erect, and I said, how am I gonna feel? So I watched him enter her and I was like, this is really, really hot. And my whole life, it's a lot of like. Trying to, to mental issues and deal with this. Like, why is this so hot? Why is this attractive? I've always been told that this is not okay. And then learned about compersion later on. But Liz over here having orgasms and me witnessing that, even if it's not me, is amazing. So I enjoyed her enjoying it and then fed off of that.

Liz:

I was a little different. Oh. I struggled with it a little bit. There were, I mean, everybody has sex noises, right? Sure, sure. But now hearing my husband and these sex noises that I'm like, I could not stay in the moment of me and this other gentleman. Mm-hmm. Because there was just a lot of squishing. Going on. Oh, that noise is coming out of his mouth. But squishing. Yes, she was, she was very, very wet uhhuh. And so I'm like, oh, whoa. Okay. Alright, we're gonna get through this. And so we did and we laughed and we went back to our room and we did not really. Other than the tantric massage, we we were held up in our room for a while with reclaiming sex and I think I can do this if this is like what I get afterwards. Okay. Like, whoa. And so again, more talking, more what ifs more, what part of it did you like? What part of it didn't you like? And listening to him and was like, yeah, watching you was really hot. And, I can't say that yet. I struggled with that in the, after our first swap. And they were very friendly, they were very understanding. But they were also very, let's do this again. And I'm no. We have two days left of our vacation. We had this 90 minute massage scheduled and we're still. Enjoying our reclaiming. And so it was like, no, no. We need, we need a break. We need, we need some separation and just let us come back to us. So,

Tramp:

I mean, I think that's pretty spectacular. Not only your communication, which we pound on, seems like every single episode, every episode, episode, episode. But for lead, for you to say, you're basically like me in the sense of, oh, you are naturally coersive. You know, you, you enjoy watching your significant other and that really charges you. It does. Whereas for Liz, it's, there may be a little jealousy component, but the reclamation is, is really fires it off for you, but you understand each other. That's the key there. Through your own communication and being able to come back together and find middle ground there.

Liz:

Yes, and he's been so supportive. Like after all of our interactions, we've always talked and it's gotten easier. It just, it didn't occur naturally like it did for him. And I don't know if naturally is a word, but I guess so. I mean, you didn't have to fight it, it just, you were in awe. And,

Tramp:

but it doesn't mean that there may not be things in the future that he may have a problem with. But again, as long as you communicate. Yeah, that's the big thing.

Lee:

So there, there are things that I don't necessarily enjoy. We talk about those and we started with a very strong relationship. So that is at the core that we're the most important things to each other. Nothing will ever take over that. There will never be anything that we will force each other into doing. Liz had to go down for a couple months for a surgery in the middle of this, so. There was, I asked her just yesterday, do you didn't feel pressure or anything in that two months to go to clubs to do whatever while you were healing? And she said No. And I said, okay, we did this. Right. So we've been,

Liz:

yeah,

Lee:

officially in the game since October. So a good, what, seven months and two of it, we took a break. Yeah. And it's focusing on each other and yeah, it's open communication when there are things that we don't. Expect things that we don't realize are gonna happen. We talk about it after the fact because we're all humans. You don't know how you're gonna react in that situation. You don't know how you're gonna feel until some of these things happen. But going back to the communication with boundaries for newbies, you can have a million boundaries and you're gonna have a million disappointments. And yeah, been there, done that. If you have a strong relationship with your partner. Would you wanna say what our boundaries are? Are you comfortable with that, Liz?

Liz:

Yeah.

Lee:

We've come down to really two because everybody we've met in the lifestyle has been mature, responsible adults, and they've been great and they've been understanding. So the only two rules we really have are we play in the same room. We don't separate. I feed off of her and get really excited. She gets excited off of me. She likes playing with the girls, so it all works together in the same room. And then the other is just if a penis is and vagina, there's a condom. So those are our two rules because of STIs, pregnancies, things like that doesn't mean it's foolproof. But those are our two boundaries that. We keep. So

Elle:

I think, I think when you're starting off, having a bunch of boundaries, even if it's more than necessary, is good. I think it gives you an element of feeling you're in control because you're going into a situation where you're maybe not feeling like you're in control of what's gonna happen, but you are. But you don't realize that until you go through it. And so by having a number of boundaries, like, okay, well then we know this is exactly what we're okay with. Then you move on from there. And like you said, you, the more you do it, the more you're there. The boundaries seem to become less and less and just more focused on how does that affect you two? Yes.

Liz:

And it was, you read on Reddit posts and you read on Facebook posts and people talk about, oh, if you're a no kissing couple, you're an automatic no. Right? And that was one of our boundaries before we even started playing. Too intimate. It is. And then on our first swap, well, that boundary's out the window because it's just a natural thing Right. When you are being intimate with somebody. That it just, it was just a natural thing that I was like, oh, okay, this isn't bad. There's not there. Emotion connected to it. Yeah. It's way different than when I'm kissing my husband. Mm-hmm. And so that was. It was a very easy, I guess, boundary to be like, okay, we're taking that one off the list with that. Yes. So so yeah, when we first started in the What if situations, the what if talks that there was Oh yeah, we, that, that, that's a boundary. Oh yes. Right. And when actually talking about coming to fruition for a swap, well, that boundary kinda seems silly right now. And, and here we are. It's okay. You know, and here we are, we're, five months into it, is that really, and. We've had seven swaps and I think so, yeah. That's really just what we have come down to is that we are same room and usually there's only one bed in the room, so same bed. Mm-hmm. And condoms. Safe play. Yeah. I mean, yeah. So what did you say this morning? That we'll party with anybody, but we play with a select few. Or a select group?

Lee:

Yes, we love to hang out. We love to party, we love to have fun, but there's only a few that we'll play with. So we enjoy the atmosphere. If there's a connection, you can go through apps, you can go through all these things, see these incredibly attractive people, and you can meet them in person. And it's crickets and it's nothing against them. It's nothing against you. There are certain people when you meet them. You talk and it seems you can sit down for an hour and you've known them for years, and those are the people that we generally would play with versus just looking for somebody that's attractive

Liz:

or you meet them and realize that their pictures are way outdated and I've had that conversation before, or that when they created the profile, they might have been of a certain age and they are no longer of that age. We discovered one night at and Or wait, the ranch and or wait. Yes. Yes. There's that too. Yeah. When we ran into a couple, we had talked on an app and they were there for his birthday and was oh, how old are you? We went back and we're like, okay. Your current age does not match what you have. Not even. Not even that. It hasn't rolled over yet. Yeah.

Elle:

Yeah.

Lee:

Well, the app said they started in 23 or 22. And now the person's eight years older, so I'm not good at math. But if you don't update it,

Liz:

the math is not math then on that one. No. Yeah. Yes.

Lee:

So all this comes back to is really people having their voice or speaking up or knowing what they're comfortable with versus just having boundaries. If there's something that Liz is uncomfortable with, initially, she was more reserved, more I'll go along for the ride. And now it's okay. I really don't like this. And approaching it as, would you do this or try and do this or hold it? Hold it. She is time out. Well, no, the holding it is. Do you care if I say Liz? Sure. So she is multi-orgasmic. Oh yes. She can have orgasms fairly easy. She does her what really sets her over the edge. If you ever meet Liz and you get the chance mm-hmm. Is she likes when she is riding that wave for the male to hold it, not keep thrusting, not whatever, hold it and she will lose her mind. So that is her voice and her things that she's enjoying it more. And yeah, making it a positive experience.

Liz:

But continuing down the, let's just jump off the deep end. Yes. We are going to desire in October. Yeah. Fantastic. That's good. So there's that. And then we have a temptation cruise. Uhhuh Uhhuh. And then someone hit me up and was like, bliss went on sale and now we have a bliss cruise booked. Yep. So yeah, we are just continuing raising that diving board a little higher and just keep cannon balling in. Here we go. So, but he makes it easy because he is. Such a caring person and he always has our best interest. And at the end of the day, it comes back to us and it's an enhancement. We don't have to do this and we are perfectly fine, just us, but this is a little extra layer, a little extra fun, and being in that sexy environment and. You know, the taboo ness of it and making it not a taboo thing. Yeah. And as he says, you are amazing and I love seeing you dress up and be sexy and just going out and having a good time, and you occasionally pop your boobs out and show'em off to everybody. And he was like, and I'm over there like, yes baby. We always enjoyed that

Elle:

on Wednesday when we were all playing pool. Yes, yes.

Lee:

Back to the, back to the ranch. So we have all these vacations plans. Yes, we're gonna go experience things, see if we like it, see if we don't. And when we got back here, we, we have heard of the ranch. We had seen the website and we were really gonna try to keep it like vacation only. And then we realized, okay, vacations come and go. And everybody we met at Temptation was. Normal people like Well, adjusted crazy, right? Normal people. Yes. Yes. Who knew? I know. Yeah. It's

Liz:

not like we walk around with this sticker on our head and he's like, well, they like to be freaky. That's not Ron Jeremy

Elle:

walking around. No.

Liz:

Yes.

Lee:

And I said, let's go to the ranch. We'll have dinner. We'll go On a Wednesday night. A Thursday night, and we'll see what it's about. Just to go visit. And we were talking about that, and she always claims that I'm the instigator. And then next thing I know, here's an email that she's joined with the membership and we have reservations. So I was like, I guess we're doing this.

Liz:

You planted the seed. I just gave it some water.

Lee:

And then we went there. Had a great time, enjoyed it, loved the atmosphere. And then we'll, oh, you don't

Liz:

wanna tell'em about our, our first encounter at the ranch.

Lee:

You can

Liz:

it. One of you Yes. Needs to. Yeah. I've done a lot of speaking. You should tell. You

Lee:

have,

Liz:

you should

Elle:

tell the story.

Lee:

So for me, with that

Elle:

communication

Lee:

to be involved, to enjoy it, I need some sort of feedback from the female. So we met this couple. Very attractive. Very attractive. And the whole night I was not getting any type of feedback. But then. Their husband. And then Liz was like, oh, she's into you. She's into you. And I was like, there is nothing there. So again, first time, first swap here at the ranch where we said, go ahead. We're just gonna power through. And it was a hot experience. It was looking back on it enjoyable, but there were things that I didn't enjoy that affected us so. That's where I first started limping along, if you will. And I think a lot of it was no connection on my side to the female. And for me I've realized at this point I kind of need something. I don't need a full emotional attachment. I don't need

Liz:

you need interest.

Lee:

Yes.

Liz:

You just need her to express interest. And yes, it did not happen that night. No.

Lee:

And then we're being new. And it was a overall, it was a good experience. It just,

Liz:

it taught us It was a lesson. Yeah. You learned? Yes. Yeah. It's a lesson. Yes, it's a

Lee:

lesson. We knew that they were great people and we said, let's, they did, they approach us about dinner.

Liz:

Yeah.

Lee:

They said, let's go to dinner. And then being newbies, like, does that mean sex? Does that mean what's going on? No, it's just dinner. Mm-hmm. I mean, you need to communicate even with people in the lifestyle, you'll talk. So we went to have dinner and through that it was a week or two later.

Liz:

Yeah, it was relatively

Lee:

soon. Yeah. And the, the female was still very standoffish. I'm like, okay, it's fine. That's just how this person is. And then the husband had an amazing time and is reliving everything where he didn't read the room, where I didn't have necessarily a great time. And at that point decided, okay, they're a great couple, they're amazing, they're very attractive, but this isn't, we'll, we'll be friends with them, but we're not gonna play with them. So I made that decision and Liz didn't have any issues with that because it comes back to us where. Every couple has their own dynamics, and it's what may be right for us does not mean it's right for you, but for us, she has the veto power. If I'm, she thinks,

Liz:

well, we both have veto power, right? It's not just me. I mean,

Lee:

yes, well, if I've had more than one drink or whatever, and you're like, okay, you're done. And I realize I'm not intoxicated at all. It just goes back to that trust and respect that I have for Liz. That okay, I'm done and I respect her wishes and we respect each other. So we lived and learned,

Liz:

that's not the story I thought you were gonna tell, but, okay. Oh my gosh, no. What is the

Lee:

first story?

Liz:

The very first night we were at the ranch. Oh. Let's talk funny stuff. Okay. Yes, yes. So we are, yeah. We'll, we'll let you

Tramp:

guys tell that one and then we'll okay. We'll probably kind of wrap it up'cause

Liz:

mm-hmm. So the first night at the ranch it's a slower night. It's a Wednesday or a Thursday.

Lee:

Yeah.

Liz:

And we had dinner and then we decided, okay, let's go downstairs and play. I mean, it's just him and I and let's break this in, right? Yep. And so we go down and go into one of the rooms and we're like, huh. So we left the curtains partially open and Oh, yeah, for newbies who don't know, and curtains are closed, you leave them alone. And if they're partially open, they wanna watch. And if they're fully open, potentially join. So ours were partially open. Not that there were a lot of people there, so let it be. We were, we were a little busy for quite a while. Do you

Lee:

wanna say which cabana it was?

Liz:

No, we don't need to.

Lee:

It was at the bottom of the stairs. Yeah. So everybody comes down. Sorry. That's gonna be the first thing you see as you're

Liz:

coming in. Yeah. Okay. Full. So, yep. So we decide to take a break and walk around and see if anybody is out on the four top and four square, four top, something like that. Mm-hmm. And we come back to our room and I thought I had. Close the curtains back to where they were before partially open. Apparently I did not. And we are going at it hot and heavy and I am yelling out Yes. As I'm having a amazing release. And next thing I know there's a single guy is like, can I join you? And Lee's like, we just finished. Like literally we, we just finished and I was like. What, what, what's going on? But you've been saying yes, yes, yes. So as he's throwing that question in there and I'm yelling out Yes, there was like that perfect timing. And Lee's like, no, like no, we, we, sorry. Thank you for asking what we, we just finished. And so I was

Lee:

legitimately climaxing as she's yelling. Yes. He comes up, may I join you? Very polite. Yes. That's dumb. No, it's very polite. Yeah. And not disrespectful in any way. She's yelling. Yes. I swear I hear a metal belt buckle unlatched. I was like, no, sorry, we just finished.

Liz:

So that was, you know, we had some good laughs about that on the way hall. That is funny. Yes. There's a lesson learned on that one too. Yes, there was. Yes, there was.

Tramp:

Guys, that was some just amazing information and good stories. Just good stories. Thank you. Truly, thank you for joining us this evening.

Liz:

Yeah, thank you for having us. Anytime. Please come back and, well, we may have, especially after you desire had your, yeah. Multiple adventures after temptation and then after place we're not new anymore. Yes, I know. I'm like, at what point does the new car smell wear off? Right? Like, is it months? Is it miles? Is it, what is it? So I

Elle:

don't think there's an actual answer to that. As long as you're still having fun, that's all that matters. Yes. That's

Tramp:

what matters. Since this episode ran a little long, we're going to save our a MA for next week, but we do have one. Yay. And we're just so thankful that all you guys just continue to listen and, and come on this journey with us. We can be reached at unapologetic swingers@gmail.com. Our website is also www.unapologeticswingers.com and wherever you happen to be listening to us the biggest ask that we have is just leave us a review, maybe some kind words. And we just love getting all that feedback.

Elle:

Yeah, it, really does mean a lot to us. When somebody sends us a note back or just. It tells us that they like it and that they're enjoying the podcast and what we're doing. Mm-hmm. Because we're sure having fun.

Tramp:

But it is a labor of love without a doubt.

Elle:

Yep. Yeah. We're not getting rich off of this.

Tramp:

Oh, no.

Elle:

Until next time, I'm Elle and

Tramp:

I'm the tramp.

Elle:

Be sexy,

Tramp:

be confident.

Elle:

Be unapologetic.