Unapologetic Swingers

Unapologetic Swingers: EP 28 - Foxes in the Lifestyle

• Unapologetic Swingers • Season 1 • Episode 28

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We are joined by the Mountain Foxes - Maurice and Kat! An amazing couple with some fantastic and entertaining adventures for us.

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Elle:

Welcome back to Unapologetic Swingers. I'm El

Tramp:

and I'm the Tramp, and everyone, as I say seemingly every single episode, thank you for listening and coming on this journey with us as we mean it. We do, we truly do as we cover the lifestyle through our own unique experiences, the highs and lows and everything in between. And today we are thankful to have Maurice and Kat with us who have been in the lifestyle for a number of years.

Maurice:

Four. We just separate, celebrated. We separate. We have not separated. We have not separated. We have not separated. We just celebrated our four year swing anniversary.

Tramp:

Okay, but you guys have been married for 27. Okay. Okay, so definitely some history there and we're excited to hear about your adventures and hopefully some misadventures as well.

Kat:

There's, you know,

Maurice:

one or two.

Kat:

We have not very many.

Tramp:

Not many, but one or two.

Elle:

Yeah. Well, and I would just like to say, I've known. Kat, Maurice for almost that whole time. Yeah. I feel like. Yeah. And we had met at, some events and I've always enjoyed having conversations with them. They have been really good recently in kicking some AMAs to us, so they're outperforming Chicago and Florida. This is true. So we're really happy to get them on and maybe. We can an answer any questions we hadn't answered already. But, I'm very excited for them to be here. We've been talking about this for a while.

Kat:

Yeah. We really enjoy your podcast. It's a been a lot of fun.

Tramp:

Well, truly welcome guys. Thank, thank you.

Elle:

My favorite part about talking to people is hearing their origin stories, how they got into the lifestyle. So you just said you've been married for 20 plus years and you've been in the Lifestyles for four. So tell us please, how you. Got to this wonderful place.

Maurice:

Well, there's a lot of, little vignettes along the way. I would say that one of the first steps was going to a gentleman's club early in our, relationship. I can't remember if we were. Married yet, or I don't think we were not sure. But it was the first time that Kat had ever gotten a dance and the dancer ended up becoming her Mary Kay sales girl. All

Elle:

right. Well that's a new

Maurice:

one.

Elle:

Yeah. They

Kat:

went, they went to lunch. Yeah. I, I complimented her on how good she smelled and she goes, oh, well that's this and this. And we just got talking, she's giving me a lap dance. And we're talking, just like friends. Right. Doesn't really surprise me. Didn't to mention that she sold Mary Kay. And I'm like, oh, okay. So

Maurice:

Benny, if you're out there listening, thank you.

Kat:

Yeah. Yeah,

Maurice:

That was one little step. I don't think it was the same night, but I think sometime shortly after that, my odometer hit 69, 69, 6 0.9 and we had to pull over things like that.

Elle:

So, needless to say, sex has been a very important part of your relationship. Yeah. As it should be. Right? Like the,

Kat:

like the time that we had sex on a runway.

Elle:

Like in a plane or on a car? Car on the runway in a car. Okay. Parked the car on, on the runway.

Maurice:

I love the, I I have, I have so many questions right now. It was a small municipal airport and Okay. It was,

Kat:

it was at night and

Maurice:

we, knew how to get on the field and Okay. I knew most of the cops that were on duty that night and then figured that the worst case scenarios would like, get the hell outta here, get scolded.

Yes.

Maurice:

But, um. Anyway. From there, I think the next step in the process would've been my 50th birthday party.

Elle:

Okay.

Maurice:

And the gateway drug, I think for, many people in the lifestyle is going to Vegas and Sure. Hiring some professional help.

Tramp:

Okay.

Maurice:

Okay. And silly me, I thought Kat was just doing it for me.

Elle:

No. No, she wasn't, no, she actually

Maurice:

had a really good time with, uh, was, yeah.

Elle:

Yeah.

Kat:

It was my first time really being with a woman.

Elle:

So, that's something that you had thought about before, that you had fantasized about, that you went

Kat:

Well, I, I, I had, but I hadn't really quite admitted it to myself at that point. Okay. You know, I always. Love looking at women. I just think women are just, they're so beautiful, beautiful and soft and just fi so would find myself drawn to women, but Okay. It was like, no, I am married to Maurice. And it just hadn't quite come to the forefront yet. Okay. And when we were in Vegas, we just had a really, great time. And, uh,

Maurice:

and I wanted it to be special and not just for me, but for her. I actually shoot her out of the room and put out a bunch of LED candles and put rose petals all over the bed. Know how hard it is to find rose pedals on the Vegas strip. You'd think it would be a little easier. It's not, huh? It was so hard. I called so many florists. Finally found one. But anyway, rose petals on the bed. It was lovely. Candles all over the place. Lovely. It was a really, really fun evening.

Elle:

Aw, you made it special for your birthday, but for her as well? Yeah. Mm-hmm.

I think that's, I figured

Maurice:

if she was giving me this gift, I might as well, make sure that it was cool for her too.

Elle:

Now, Maurice, did you have an inkling that she would be interested in this woman as well? No. Oh, you thought, oh, I'm just gonna make her feel comfortable. Yes. That I am having this experience. Yes, I had. Well, that was nice. No

Maurice:

idea that it was gonna

Elle:

turn into, oh my God, I'm watching my wife.

Maurice:

Exactly. Oh, yay. I mean, I thought she would. Playfully kiss or something like that. I had no idea that it was go, gonna go any further than that.

Tramp:

You know when that kind of naturally evolves in that way, it's a really sexy thing. Yeah, I know. I've witnessed it and it's pretty amazing because there's the person that you care for deeply and being able to just enjoy it when they're enjoying.

Elle:

Yeah.

Tramp:

Is just next level for me.

Elle:

Yeah, you don't have that. Oh my God. What is she doing with that woman? You know? Mm-hmm. And freaking out. It was worse. No, there was no freaking out. More sexual for you. It was, yeah. Yeah.

Kat:

Oh, he was having a good time. That's yay. Yay. Two thumbs up.

Elle:

So Kat, how did that sort of flow? I mean, she came in

Kat:

I mean we, talked a little bit about what we like and Okay. What we would like to do and. We all got on the bed and at first it was the two of them. Sure. They were kissing and playing and fondling and doing all of that. And then I sort of jumped in and started kissing and playing and fondling myself and, I just thought, I'm gonna give this a, try and see what I think. And

Elle:

I mean, went in Vegas.

Kat:

It went in Vegas. Yeah. And it was lovely.

Maurice:

The cool thing about, Clark County is you can prepay your bail. What? Okay, I'm just kidding. So many questions. I'm just, I'm just kidding. We can't think three barrel business anyway. Not that we did anything illegal. We didn't.

Elle:

Right. Okay. All right. And then how did you guys go from there to fast forward to, let's do this all the time.

Maurice:

COVID. Okay. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Um, everyone's bored and horny. Yeah. And I was listening to the We Got a Thing podcast.

Elle:

Okay. Yeah. Love, love them. Yeah.

Maurice:

And on Walks at the dog park and hadn't told Kat that I had been doing this yet. 21, our son comes home from, pride and I'm not home yet. Kat is, and why don't you take it from here?

Kat:

So he comes home from Pride and he says, mom, I wanna show you something. And he had purchased a bisexual flag.

Mm-hmm.

Kat:

And. I'm like, okay, well great. And so he did, you

Elle:

know, it was a bisexual flag? I mean, I knew it was a

Kat:

bisexual flag. Okay.

Elle:

Yeah. Okay.'cause I just recently found out what the colors are, right? Yeah, yeah,

Kat:

yeah. I knew what that one was. And so he was coming out to me.

Elle:

Yeah.

Kat:

And I said, well, that's that's great. That's lovely. And that's when it just sort of popped out. And I said, so am I.

Elle:

Ooh.

Kat:

And he's like. That's how I can talk to you so easily.

Elle:

Hmm. Oh,

Kat:

interesting. You know, and so I felt

Elle:

comfortable to come home and say this because I felt that we were a kindred. Yeah. Souls. Yeah.

Kat:

It's like he kind of knew already, maybe. And so we started talking about it. He's very, very private about his relationships or lack thereof. But we just talked a little bit about it and. He said, well, that's really good to know. And then, Maurice came home and I told him about the conversation and he's like, well, now you tell me. Yeah. She

Tramp:

hadn't come out to me yet. Well, I

Kat:

hadn't come out to anybody yet.

Tramp:

Well, it was the time and the place. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's all it was. Yeah.

Maurice:

So after we had our family moment of, discussion, I think he was nervous to come out to me, but I don't think he was shocked that I was going to be accepting.

Okay.

Maurice:

So, we had our, family discussion and that was cool. And then when Kat and I had a moment of privacy, it's like, well, I've been listening to this podcast and I think that. The best opportunity for you to explore that is for you to join me in listening to some of these episodes. And they were about to have an event in Denver.

Mm-hmm.

Maurice:

And I said, look, this is gonna be in our backyard. We're gonna kick ourselves if we don't at least go and see what these people are about.

Yeah.

Maurice:

So that's, uh, that's it. Our son turned us into his wingers.

Elle:

Not, not your normal. Segue? Yes.

Tramp:

Or maybe he just opened the door. He facilitated the conversation. Yes. Yeah, exactly.

Elle:

Mm-hmm. Because he doesn't know that you guys are swingers. He, he does not. Okay. No, don't, as far we know. Don't think he'd be shocked. Do you think he'd be, I don't think he'd be shocked. I don't think he

Maurice:

would want us to talk to him about it.

Elle:

Right. I think he'd be right. It's one thing to know, it's another thing to actually have those conversations. Right. Which become very awkward for our children. Mm-hmm. Okay. Fair. And

Kat:

given how private he is about things Yeah. That I think that it would be awkward for him. But I don't think he'd be shocked. I don't think he'd be judgemental or anything like that. Right,

Maurice:

right. We try to be careful about, like most people, what you're wearing when you leave the house, right? And

Tramp:

yes. Why Kat, why are you wearing a trench coat? And it's like 90 degrees outside.

Kat:

I've been known to, change, right outside in the parking lot of the ranch. You know, you can go in the bathroom and change that too. I know. I've been known to just. She likes to make it entrance, just Ah, yes, of course. Yeah. I just get outta the car and just change Nobody's Yeah. No one's, no whatever.

Elle:

No, there's nobody at the place next door.

Kat:

I figure, you know, and even if they are, they've seen it before.

Elle:

Yeah, yeah. Certainly the fire department and paramedics across the street have. Oh yeah. In there and Oh yeah. Yes. And know what to expect on a Friday or Saturday night. That's indeed. Yeah. No

Maurice:

shots. I think they probably when they have the opportunity to choose what, station they get assigned to, that might be it. I want that one. Uh, let's see what we can do.

Elle:

Just like to point out does not happen very often. You know the, thankfully the paramedics. Yeah. Thankfully you have to come in, but it's nice to know that they're there quickly if someone needs some help. Yep. So

Maurice:

not that there's not a million people in healthcare in the lifestyle that are already there, right?

Elle:

There's always somebody willing to, jump in and help out. Yeah.

Tramp:

That is something I volunteers for mouth to mouth. Mm-hmm. That is something within the lifestyle I've always found, I don't wanna say curious, but you do have industry specific Yeah. It, it seems to attract, whether it's teachers healthcare or healthcare teachers. Police, military. Military.

Elle:

Mm-hmm. Yeah. And I think it's, a group of people who are constantly giving, that are willing to be so giving to other people that wind up being very open to this. Agree. I hadn't

Kat:

thought of it that way. Yeah. And I think that's what I, that makes sense.

Elle:

I think that's part of it. And it isn't so much that you're trying to get something back, it's just you're still giving. Yeah. And you just happen to then get it back from others who are, are so open to giving.

Kat:

Yeah. Mm-hmm. I like that. Yeah.

Tramp:

Hmm. Deep thoughts this Sunday morning. Yeah. I got my sleep.

Kat:

Well, and it's, especially good, if you have a rough week at work or something like that, that to be able to go to the ranch and just be in a positive environment. Yeah. And. Be around people, other, other cool people and, and just who are givers. Who are givers. Yeah. Yeah. The, the swinger

Elle:

world is filled with givers. Yeah. It's, and you don't last if you're not.

Kat:

Right.

Elle:

I mean, I had thought about that. Yeah. Yeah. You don't.

Tramp:

Well, and I know I've mentioned before probably numerous times by this point, how when you do have interactions with your vanilla friend group. Whether you're going out to dinner for drinks or whatnot. Mm-hmm. Quite frankly, it's boring. The people in the lifestyle, they're fun to talk to. Really. No topic is off limits.

Elle:

Right. Yeah.

Tramp:

So it's generally a fun conversation, right? Yeah, yeah. And engaging.

Elle:

And even if somebody has had a rough week or whatever, and they. Need to talk about it, people are open to hearing about it and then maybe even just giving feedback on and try to make them feel better. Yeah. You know, you get that instead of, oh, this person's droning on again. But it's, great, well, alright. And then even still, it's a matter of oh, you know, I'm sorry it was a terrible week. How do we make this better for you? It doesn't have to be sex, but it's how do we make you feel better? It could be. It is very well, could be. Let me make you forget that exactly. With that week.

Maurice:

No, we've got some close friends. Uh, none of whom we've come out to. I've got one friend that I've managed to say something and it got very awkward and it was years ago. It's never come up again. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Like, okay. That's just not a conversation we're ever gonna have thought we could, but we can't. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Okay. I have friends and someone I've known for years, I mean, since freshman in high school. Yeah. And he's probably my closest friend, but that's just not a conversation we're ever gonna have. Yeah.

Kat:

And I have friends that I think I, could. Come out to, but the problem is, is I don't know if I could trust them. Right. And I don't want them to go, oh, well guess what, you know, on what I heard, blah, blah. You know, well, guess what Kat told me, and Yes. And I just, yeah. I love them. Yeah. And that's great. And I don't think they'd be judgemental, but I just don't think they'd be discreet.

Elle:

Yeah. I have my hairdresser, he is gay. His husband I used to work with at a company, and that's how we got to know each other. And I had wanted to come out to him for so long, but he's also still very good friends with some employees, salespeople that were under me. And I love him, but he is gonna be a little loose lipped. But then there was the day that I did come out and he's like, actually not very surprised. I'm like, I am totally. Fearful that you'll say something to her and he's like, oh, no, we can, we can barely talk about the fact that we're gay. So it's like, I, I won't be sharing that, but I think he was really excited. He goes, yeah, you're, the plus, you're the, you're part of the LGBT, blah blah, you know, whatever. So it was almost like he felt more comfortable with Jay and I because of that. That's cool. And that was kind of cool. Yeah. You know? Yeah.

Maurice:

Listeners, go back and listen to that episode. There's a lot of fun.

Tramp:

So Kat and Maurice, why don't you guys tell us about some of your adventures and misadventures You say you've been in for about four years now.

Maurice:

Mm-hmm. Well, our first experience was at the, we got a thing convention, if you will, that they had, and it started like. The pre-party was Wednesday and then it went on Thursday, Friday, Saturday. Oh,

Elle:

wow. Yeah,

Maurice:

it was a lot of, oh, it wasn't just a meet greet. This was downtown,

Elle:

right? Uh, they were

Maurice:

at the, hotel downtown. We probably shouldn't say the name but we went on a hike at, A lovely canyon near, the ranch. And then we did a country in Western Bar and then a meet and greet and then saints and center night at the ranch and went back to the hotel and had one of the conference rooms set aside for us and ended up having naughty charades and. And one thing led to another and pretty great way into it. It really was. Yeah. And then it was a

Kat:

couple we had met on that first, like night before the actual event officially started. Mm-hmm. It was just in the restaurant that was in the hotel. Mm-hmm. And a bunch of us just met up there and we had met this couple, they were, from Texas and just really, hit it off with them. They were really, really nice. And obviously we were lifestyle virgins at the time

Tramp:

and everything is new and exciting. Everything is new and

Kat:

exciting. And they were wonderful. They were just absolutely wonderful. They were so kind with us. They were experienced. They were experienced, okay. They knew we weren't okay. And just every step of the way they were checking in with us and making sure we were comfortable. They told us, what their boundaries were and they were very, very clear about that. They were amazing. It was probably one of the best experiences to this day that we've had. Yeah. It's all

Maurice:

been downhill from there,

Kat:

yet

Elle:

you're still here.

Tramp:

Exactly. Well, usually we hear from a lot of people that the first experience isn't necessarily a good one, right?

Mm-hmm.

Tramp:

And I'm sure it turns a lot of people who are just starting to explore the lifestyle away, but some persevere and push through and realize, hey, this can be. A lot of fun.

Elle:

You learn from what didn't go right. Mm-hmm. To, okay, now it's clarifying. You don't know sometimes what you don't know, although I hate that phrase, but it's, no, it's a great phrase. Yeah. You dunno what don't know until you experience, oh, okay. We don't need to do that again. And how would we do this differently next time? So if you don't take it as a, oh, well we shouldn't be doing this. This is not right for us. And take it as okay. That's what the situation was. I liked this, this, and this, but I didn't care for that, so let's not do that the next time.

Maurice:

The, one thing we had done a lot of was listening to podcast episodes. Yeah, I think that's key. And we had just talked and talked and talked about. What could happen, what we might encounter, how would we feel if X, Y, or Z happened?

Elle:

So you're saying there was communication? There was communication, there

Maurice:

was a a, there we go. Huge amount of communication. Yes. You got your, your communication promo in Yes. For the episodes not even forced. Um,

Kat:

unapologetic, swingers brought to you by communication.

Maurice:

Communication. Um, and we had talked about. Our biggest fear, and I think it's, is most, most people's biggest fear is getting outed. Alright, who could we see? Who could we run into? How would we handle that? And figured, okay, now that we've talked about it

Elle:

mm-hmm.

Maurice:

There's no way it's gonna happen.

Elle:

Sure.

Maurice:

So our very first Sunday at the ranch, it's a Sunday fun day, labor Day weekend. We sit down and five minutes later our server is my client. That fast.

Kat:

Oops. Five minutes. She's

Maurice:

not there. She's not there anymore. So,

Kat:

Oh no, but she was cool. Yeah, she was cool. Well, yeah,

Maurice:

but it was, are you kidding me? A shock. Five minutes. I think that may be a record.

Elle:

How did you manifest that? Well, it was just.

Maurice:

Oh, hi. How's it going? And then she's like, hi, can I take your order? I know. Hello. We're like, all right. This is gonna be all right. Yeah. We're gonna get through this. And since then we've run into a few more people that, we've known in the vanilla world and Yep. You know, like everyone who has encountered the situation before, everyone's there for the same reason.

Yeah.

Maurice:

Presumably no one's there for any malicious reasons. No one's going to out you

Elle:

cause they don't wanna be outed either. Exactly.

Maurice:

Right. So it was a breathtaking experience to begin with. Sure. But we very quickly moved past it and everything's been fine since. Mm-hmm. Nice. Nice. Um, oh, also on that one, and this reverts back to the, a MA we asked a couple weeks ago. When do you get to declare yourself in the lifestyle? The part that was not included in the question that I submitted was Kat's first experience. Was, am I gonna take my top off? Am I not gonna take my top off? Oh, fuck it. They're just boobs off comes the top. Yay.

Boobs,

Maurice:

boobs are out. And then a lovely gentleman had, sunscreen and noticed that she had not yet had sunscreen applied.

Elle:

Oh,

Kat:

I am transparent. You,

Maurice:

she's very fair.

Kat:

Are a little translucent. Yes.

Maurice:

So he. Thoroughly applied sunscreen where it was most needed. And as I'm typing the question to you, does this qualify as being the lifestyle as I'm typing the words, like of course we're in the lifestyle, this guy's bottling my wife's boobs.

Elle:

Yeah. That's bring it down to the basics, right?

Maurice:

Yeah. So that, that was first, and, and that was my first experience with, other than the lovely, woman in, in Las Vegas. That was my first experience with another gentleman fondling her and was like, all right, this is pretty fucking cool.

Elle:

Okay. I was gonna ask, how did that make you feel? Yeah. It was pretty

Maurice:

fucking cool.

Elle:

Okay. Yeah.

Kat:

All right. We both love watching each other Yeah. With other people. Mm-hmm. Com conversion, really conversion is wonderful. Really love it. Yeah.

Elle:

And who knew that that was gonna be something that turned you on? Yeah. Oh, I didn't even know it was a word. Right? Yeah. Yeah. You don't even know the word unless you're in the lifestyle. Yeah. I just, I don't see how you could. No, it, yeah, you'd have to have some there.

Maurice:

There's really no other application for it outside of this. I don't

Elle:

think so. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Maurice:

And maybe if you cook a really nice meal for someone with an ingredient you're allergic to, so you know you can't have it.

Elle:

Okay.

Maurice:

Like, I'm allergic to bananas, but I love them. If I were to make you banana bread or something, they're like, man, I really wish it, I could have that, but. I'm really enjoying that she's having it.

Elle:

Yeah.

Maurice:

That's the closest thing I see that I can think. Okay. That, that's all I've got. That's

Elle:

a pretty decent analogy there. Yeah. I have, I just pulled it out of my eyes. I, I think it was brilliant and weird. Bananas. Huh. Okay. Um, I, I, have a question'cause you had told us a story earlier, tell us your favorite theme for a party.

Maurice:

My favorite theme was a murder mystery dinner party we went to. I love this. It was a situation like any murder mystery dinner. You have to interact with all the other characters'cause you're looking for clues to find out who the killer is. And this

Elle:

is a lifestyle

Maurice:

event. This was a lifestyle murder mystery dinner.

Kat:

Yeah. At a house party. At a house party. Right, right,

Maurice:

right. Okay. And I very quickly picked up on one of the clues being that bubblegum flavored lipstick was left behind at the crime scene. So me being a thorough detective had to, kiss every woman there. Right. With consent, of course. Sure. Um, but it was a wonderful way of breaking the ice with everyone there.

Kat:

Yeah. And I had so much fun, my character was a former NFL cheerleader, which is completely opposite of who I am. And, and I just got into it. I had so much fun and. I mean, it's like, okay, if we're gonna do this, let's do this. And just really had a good time. I wish they would do another one. So, because that was really, really fun.

Elle:

Maybe we need to do one. Yeah, I think we get the stuff now. The question I have, did you find somebody who had bubblegum flavored lipstick?

Maurice:

I believe so. I I it might've been just, wishful thinking. It's

Elle:

tastes like bubble gum. Yeah. Lemme go in for another, another taste.

Maurice:

I'm gonna say yes. I'm gonna say yes. They did not turn out to be the killer. Oh, okay. But yes, I think I found circumstantial Edit. Yes, exactly. Hmm.

Elle:

Interesting. Intriguing. Intriguing indeed. I love it.

Maurice:

It was a great party.

Elle:

Yeah. What about you, tramp? What has been your favorite theme that you've been to? Wherever, whether it was at Desire or

Tramp:

right. I think because just like a lot of men, I'm very visual. Mm-hmm. I have to say a theme that involves sheer clothing.

Elle:

Okay. To, to be perfectly honest. Yeah. It doesn't matter who's, yeah.

Tramp:

Yeah. Whether be able to see curves through the clothing or nipples or mm-hmm. Or whatnot. It's, it's all fantastic to me. Boobs and good blend.

Elle:

Yeah, I like

Kat:

that. So like, steampunk is probably not your thing because there's a lot of clothing involved in Steam. Yeah, A

Elle:

lot of leather. Well, which is funny'cause I would say that was probably my favorite. It was my first theme party at the ranch that Jay took me to. But it's the corsets and the, the boobs are up. I'm sorry, I was just touching my boobs. You know, or the, it didn't go unnoticed. I'll do it again. It's so alternative to what we get to wear now. And, Jay bought me these boots, these thigh high boots with go on. As Jay would say, slower, talk slower, but has like little bows going down the side, but they're, they're very, very fun. Yeah. Yeah.

Maurice:

Anything

Elle:

with

Maurice:

a

Elle:

kilt,

Maurice:

I also enjoy.

Elle:

Right. Yeah. It's stepping out of your normal, I mean, where else in your life would you have six? Plastic totes in the basement filled with different costumes. Yeah. We

Kat:

have a closet full of costumes. Yeah.

Elle:

I've gone through and I packaged them up and then I wrote on the outside, this is me outside of the tote. You know what costumes are in there, so I don't have to go through five of'em to look for if anything is

Maurice:

gonna add us to our kid is gonna be Yeah. Right. Yeah, yeah,

Elle:

yeah. Because I'm sure

Kat:

he's like. You guys go to a lot of picnics and you guys go to a lot of costume parties, theme

Elle:

parties, like who does that? Yeah, swingers. Swingers do that. I don't know who else. But yeah.

Tramp:

So, outside of jumping right into the lifestyle and experiencing all the experiences. Would you say that you have a top experience thus far?

Maurice:

The very first one was unforgettable, but it often is. Yeah. One of our favorites was at a house party and I had previously spoken with this gentleman and knew that he was single. And at this point in our journey you. Single guys were not something that was on our radar. Mm-hmm. And, and I, and I think we had pretty much said that, yeah. That's just not something we wanna seek out.

Kat:

Okay. At least at that point. Right. At least at that point. Mm-hmm.

Maurice:

So I had circulated to a different part of, the great room. And I saw Kat talking to this guy, and then I saw Kat kissing this guy, and that was completely within our boundaries. Mm-hmm. Um. And they're like, oh, okay, that's where this might be going. And then she's coming towards me with him and Joe with a,

Elle:

I got an idea,

Maurice:

big grin on her face, and I, and I had already been processing all of this. Like I think she's about to ask if it's okay to play with a single guy and like, okay, yeah, why not? Why not? How do I feel? Well, what was cool was this particular single guy was me 20 years ago.

Kat:

Okay. Yeah. Dark hair. He's barely, he is 20 years younger than me and dark hair, beard, you know, blue eyes, handsome blue eyes, I mean, just really, so you went really and really, really smart. Like okay, very educated person. So we were having, in between the kissing, we were having great conversation. That's nice. But at first I didn't realize he was a single guy. Okay. And then, he said that his partner, was sick and she was not able to make it to the party, but he'd already already paid and he still really wanted to come. So he came on his own. And I'm like, oh, okay. You,

Maurice:

well, not entirely on his own.

Kat:

That was

Maurice:

later. That was later.

Kat:

But, um, yeah, that was a, he was a really good kisser. Yeah. Just like Maurice here. Do you

Elle:

need a moment? I do. Oh, okay. Thank you. Turn the fans on. Yeah.

Maurice:

Um, but what was funny was we ended up kind of all focused on one corner of the bed and the bed broke.

Elle:

Oh no.

Maurice:

So we didn't wanna stop playing, but we couldn't play on this bed. So I went and grabbed the host and said, Hey we need to go to another room to continue playing. And by the way. They have, in addition to the party, you can pay an extra fee for a room for the night. Right. So you have to drive home. Yeah. Which is great. But we weren't gonna be able to sleep in the bed that's broken. So I said, Hey, can you address the bed while we're downstairs? Like. The guy says, can you help me? He's like no. 20 year ago, me is about to fuck my current wife and I can't miss that. I'm not going to let this moment go, I need to see this. So he went and fixed it while the two of us went and took care of Cat. Cat.

Kat:

That was kind. Yeah. It was a lot of fun. That was, I'm like, that was a, a great experie. My God. I have the two best looking guys in the whole house that are with me. Yay. It was, it was really, we had a really good time. Yeah, he was really, really great. That's awesome. That is amazing. Yeah.

Tramp:

Well, Maurice and Kat, thank you so much for the stories and that origin story is definitely something else

Elle:

unique. This is why we do this trip. That's true. Just because everybody's dying to tell you the stories you start of the podcast. Yes. Right.

Tramp:

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Maurice:

we have a shiru story, not, not much of the story, just we can personally attest to.

Elle:

Okay.

Maurice:

Shivers being a, a lovely thing. We, we've been using the libido. Gummies. Yep. With great effect. Oh, tell us.

Kat:

Well, like you said, they just make you feel really, really good. They make you feel relaxed. I think that's a big part of it is that it's just helping you relax, sort of helps you allow yourself to enjoy the experience more. Does it,

Elle:

Allow you to get out of your head? Yeah,

Kat:

exactly.

Elle:

Okay.

Kat:

Exactly.

Maurice:

Let go.

Kat:

Mm-hmm.

Elle:

Love it. Hey, you. There's a little testament. Yeah. Awesome. Well, what's our a MA today?

Tramp:

Okay. Our A MA comes from a listener lc, and she asks, how do you ask for health status before playing? Do you demand to be shown or do you trust?

Elle:

Oh, that's a great question. Mm-hmm. I think we've done it both ways. We have been to parties where it was a requirement. You get tested beforehand and you had to bring it with to show people. And then we've had others where it's an established relationship. You do know and understand that they get regularly tested and you trust. And then with others, you use condoms.

Tramp:

And I would also note that condoms don't necessarily, they're not a foolproof

Elle:

no'cause protection. They don't help with oral. Mm-hmm. And you can certainly transmit via oral. So it is a risk that you're taking there, there's

Maurice:

absolutely just an assumed level of risk in the lifestyle. Right. And you have to go into this knowing that things can happen.

Yeah.

Maurice:

Um, and be prepared to. Hopefully not freak out. I know you had a, a false positive experience. Yeah.

Yeah.

Maurice:

And you just have to be prepared to deal with, with things that come up. And I think the overwhelming majority of possible experiences are going to be something that you can manage,

Elle:

treat. Yeah. You said you were in the healthcare. Industry. Is this something that you have knowledge of? No. Okay. All right. This is just your prof. No semi-professional opinion. This is just

Maurice:

my personal opinion. Yeah, I agree that, when we got into committed relationships, we figured, okay, we don't have to worry about testing anymore. Right. That we're gonna be with this one person for the rest of our lives. Uh, as soon as we started down this path, we know that there are risks.

Mm-hmm.

Maurice:

We have accepted those risks as a consequence of this behavior. Mm-hmm. But it's worth it. Nu neither one of us have had any negative experiences, but we're prepared to deal with it if it, if it does. Yeah. And we agreed we are a hundred percent condom use.

Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Maurice:

Yeah. And we get tested regularly, but we've never asked anybody. I've thought about how that would go. Never actually done it. I love the idea of a party where you have to check in and show you have to be tested that week before.

Elle:

Yeah. Yeah. But

Maurice:

even that's not, not a guarantee. There are no guarantees, people, no. Mm-hmm. There isn't. You just aren't, isn't

Elle:

you're, you're taking a risk. Yeah.

Maurice:

But it's a fun, delicious risk, but get,

Kat:

get tested regularly. Yeah. No matter what. Um, and when I went and I asked my, doctor, I'm like, I explained that well, I'm in the lifestyle. And she said, what is the lifestyle? I said, I'm a swinger. Oh. I said, I would like to get tested. Could you order that for me, please? Yes. Quarterly. And so she ordered it then, and she said, all you have to do, shoot me an email and I'll order it just whenever you want it. So, yeah.

Maurice:

Um, one awkward discussion and that's

Elle:

it, right? Yeah. Yeah. Right. And that's it. And then they go, okay. I, we appreciate the fact that you are trying to be on top of this. Right.

Kat:

Right. Yeah. And it's easy. You just go pee in a cup

Elle:

or they draw blood. Yeah. Or they draw

Kat:

blood if it's, if you want HIV testing. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. But like, it's so easy. Do suck it up buttercup. Two

Tramp:

people. And I would also add on to that because I've, been involved in a situation where a lot of alcohol involved and things got carried away. It was a lot of fun.

Mm-hmm.

Tramp:

But being able to be the adult and say, okay. That was beyond. Now I need to cool my jets. I need to go through the testing regimen just in case. Be

Elle:

responsible.

Tramp:

Be responsible, before getting back out on the field, per se.

Maurice:

Yeah. Yeah. And we've had a broken condom before. Yeah. Or you, you lose one. Yeah. Sometimes. Yeah. It broke into pieces I had to go digging.

Elle:

Oh, so that would be listed maybe on the, unfortunate stories. That would be an unfortunate story, yeah. Hmm. Yeah,

Maurice:

because we were looking all over the room trying to find, oh God, like, no, I think I might still be in there. Oh, it'd

Kat:

still be there. And it was Oh, oh.

Maurice:

But better to find it than undergo like toxic shock or something.

Elle:

Yeah, right. Yeah. You wanna get that stuff outta you? For sure. For sure.

Tramp:

Well, thank you guys for chiming in on that. And unfortunately, Elle, we have not received a single email from our friends in Florida, which is rather disappointing

Elle:

slackers. Oh yeah. Some people are just better at asking questions. And I'm looking at two right now and we appreciate that and I would actually like to throw out, since now we have had experience with doing a podcast with Zoom I love interviewing all our friends and people that we know and people that come up to us at the ranch, but it doesn't have to be a couple or a single person that's here in town. We certainly have the technology to be able to answer questions or have a conversation with somebody. That we don't even know. So if I would like to just throw out there, if somebody feels that they have a, an interesting story and would like to share it, because I think other people learn from everybody's interesting stories. So the more that we hear, the more we expose it is a podcast not. A YouTube video. Um, but that, you know, feel free to expose if you want, Derek. I, yeah, sure. For sure, for sure. Check out our Cassidy profile. But, I'd like to throw it out there that if somebody thinks that they have a fun story to tell and would like to talk with us, that maybe we could, get Jay on the technology and, set something up for,

Tramp:

of course we

Elle:

can a later date. I like that. Yeah. More stories. More stories.

They're fun.

Elle:

Oh my gosh. Yeah. Every and everybody has them. You can't be in the lifestyle and not have stories. No. So really seriously, we could interview anyone.

Kat:

Yeah.

Elle:

We've been trying to get somebody on who we feel is lifestyle adjacent that they don't even play. And some people are uncomfortable about having their voices out there and that's fine. Totally understand that. But I think it's important for people to hear the stories of those that just live on the side, and like to watch other people have sex or like to be watched having sex, like to be around the sexy people. Mm-hmm. Like to be around the open and positive, sexually positive environment. I thought last

Maurice:

week you said that was lifestyle.

Elle:

I. Wow, you calling me out, grace? No,

Maurice:

no,

Elle:

no. But yes, like, like I said, it's a, I'm putting it out there again.

Maurice:

No, no, no. I believe you're right. If you feel like you are part of the lifestyle, then you're part of the lifestyle. Agreed. This is a very warm, opening, inclusive community where if you want to be a part of us, we welcome you.

Kat:

Yes.

Elle:

Right? Yeah.

Kat:

It's a very broad definition.

Maurice:

Very

Elle:

much so. Mm-hmm. And

Maurice:

who needs labels

Elle:

anyway?

Kat:

Yeah, exactly

Elle:

Right. We get too caught up on that. Let's just have fun.

Maurice:

Exactly.

Elle:

Wink, wink. Well, I want to take a moment for our other sponsor, if you don't mind. Of course. Take it away, Al. We would like to give a special shout out to the Scarlet Ranch, as we continue to talk about, because it's. So much a part of our lives. It is North America's premier, upscale, private lifestyle destination. If you've been listening to our show, you know, many of our guests are regulars there, and it is no wonder why picture this. Two incredible bars, fun games, top-notch restaurant, which Jay and I eat there at least once a week. Just like to throw that out and the food is. Unbelievable. And they have both spacious open areas and private social areas downstairs for when the night gets a little steamier. If you're ready to level up your nightlife, visit scarlet ranch.com and let your next adventure begin.

Maurice:

We're heading there right from here.

Elle:

Right. Sunday. Fun day. Exactly. Watch a little football hang out. Be around good people. Heck yeah.

Maurice:

Halftime blow jobs.

Elle:

Yes. Where else can you say that? That's awesome.

Tramp:

Well, guys, thank you so much. Just not only with Maurice and Kat here, but just everyone listening, just thank you for

Elle:

continuing to be there with our journey.

Tramp:

Exactly. Mm-hmm. As it continues to evolve and expand and. We just have all these incredible new experiences and make some, quite frankly, incredible new friends.

Kat:

Thank

Elle:

you

Kat:

for having us. Hey. Hey. We

Elle:

appreciate it. Coming all the way over.

Maurice:

It was on, it was on the

Elle:

way. That's really how we planned it. Yes. Oh,

Tramp:

but everyone, if you'd like to contact us, if you have an a MA our email is unapologetic swingers@gmail.com. We also have a website. Unapologetic swingers.com and wherever you happen to be listening to us, the biggest ask that we have is just leave us a review. Right? Hopefully all good things, but if not, maybe just email us privately. That's okay. If there's something that we need to improve on. I haven't done that. I'm sorry. Oh,

Elle:

I did, meet a couple last night that said they had sent us, a cup of coffee or two, so thank you for that. Of

Tramp:

course. Thank you guys. Yes. That's something I really don't. Mentioned very often, but

Elle:

no, but it was nice that somebody had, yes, thank you. Had made that attempt. We appreciate it.

Maurice:

And we're Mountain foxes on Cassidy,

Elle:

right? Check them out. Until next time, I'm l and I'm the tramp. Be sexy, be confident. Be unapologetic.