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Unlocking Financial Wisdom: Embracing Compounding, Tail Events, and Defining "Enough" for Lasting Wealth

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Can you truly understand the magic of compounding and what it means for your financial future? This episode promises to unravel the intricate dance between money and psychology, inspired by the insights from the YouTube video "The Psychology of Money in 20 Minutes" by Escaping Ordinary. We dive into the idea of "financial DNA," exploring how our unique life experiences shape the way we handle money, often without us even realizing it. With a nod to Warren Buffett's legendary career, we emphasize the power of starting early with investments and the often underrated influence of patience and compounding over time.

Ever wondered why some investments hit the jackpot while others wither away? We tackle the concept of tail events, revealing their pivotal role in areas as diverse as art collecting and venture capitalism. Through captivating stories of figures like Heinz Berggruen and companies such as Amazon, we demonstrate the potential of diversification and the necessity of embracing risk. Richness and wealth are not the same, and understanding this difference requires a mindset shift, viewing market fluctuations as an inherent part of the investment landscape rather than a threat to be feared.

Is it possible to step off the never-ending treadmill of wanting more? As we share the cautionary tale of Bernie Madoff, we challenge the relentless pursuit of excess and invite you to redefine what "enough" means in your financial life. The discussion urges a focus on aligning money goals with personal values, stepping away from societal pressures, and making conscious financial decisions. Finally, we encourage reflection on your "financial DNA," advocating for continuous learning and self-awareness in crafting a financial journey that truly resonates with your desires and aspirations.

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Speaker 1:

Welcome to another deep dive, this time into the world of money. Well, not really the numbers themselves, but more the psychology behind them. Oh, interesting, we're taking a look at a YouTube video called the Psychology of Money in 20 Minutes, by Escaping Ordinary yeah, it's by BC Marks and we're going to try to uncover how our experiences and emotions kind of secretly control our financial decisions.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I mean, it's really fascinating how we often think we're being super rational with our money choices, but there's this whole other layer, almost, like you know, like a financial DNA that's shaped by all our experiences in life.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, exactly Like. Imagine if you grew up during like a period of crazy high inflation.

Speaker 2:

Oh yeah.

Speaker 1:

Would that make you a little bit more hesitant to spend money?

Speaker 2:

Oh, absolutely Like even fearful maybe. Yeah, you'd be way more cautious. For sure, that'd be like ingrained in your financial DNA. Now, on the flip side, imagine someone who, like, came of age during a huge economic boom.

Speaker 1:

Right.

Speaker 2:

They might be way more comfortable with risk.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

You know, seeing debt as like a tool, not a danger.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

Their experiences tell a totally different story.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it's kind of like our past. Is this invisible force that's kind of pushing us towards certain financial choices in the present? It is. It's a little bit freaky when you think about it, it is yeah.

Speaker 2:

It really shows how personal our relationship with money is, and that actually ties into this other cool point that the video makes about the power of compounding, especially when you look at the story of Warren Buffett.

Speaker 1:

Oh yeah, the Oracle of Omaha. But it's not just about his like stock picking genius Right.

Speaker 2:

Right. The video really highlights that time is Buffett's biggest advantage.

Speaker 1:

OK.

Speaker 2:

He started investing super young, which let his investments just snowball over decades. Yeah, thanks to the magic of compounding.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

Think about it like starting early, even with small amounts, can make a massive difference in the long run.

Speaker 1:

It's like a superpower almost.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

Just letting time do the work for you. They actually compared in the video what would have happened if he started investing at 30 instead of 10.

Speaker 2:

Oh, wow, and the difference is crazy.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, he would still be like super rich, obviously, but instead of billions he'd be worth millions. Wow.

Speaker 2:

So it really drives home the point that time is your best friend when it comes to investing.

Speaker 1:

Absolutely.

Speaker 2:

But you know, it's so easy to get caught up in the day to day financial news.

Speaker 1:

Oh yeah.

Speaker 2:

You know all the little ups and downs, but that can sometimes make us miss the bigger picture For sure.

Speaker 1:

I think we tend to fixate way more on the negative stuff, like the market crashes, the losses, but we kind of overlook the slow and steady progress that's happening over time. It's like focusing on a tiny dip in the stock market, while ignoring the fact that it's generally trending upwards over the long term.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, it's like paying attention to, like the daily weather report and completely forgetting about the changing seasons. There's always going to be some ups and downs, but the overall trend is what really matters.

Speaker 1:

Totally. The video uses a great example with healthcare. Like healthcare, advancements have saved so many lives over time but, it happened gradually. Right, we don't see headlines every day about every tiny improvement that's made, but the long-term impact is huge. It's a good reminder to keep things in perspective. Like a lot of times, progress happens very quietly and it's happening underneath all this noise of all the daily events. Now the video also talks about something that can really throw a wrench in things luck and risk. They talk about the story of Bill Gates.

Speaker 2:

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1:

The classic story of you know the brilliant kid who builds this massive tech empire. But the video kind of digs a little deeper and highlights how much luck played a role.

Speaker 2:

Right.

Speaker 1:

It's pretty wild to think about it Like back in the late 1960s, gates High School actually had a computer, a Teletype Model 30. Wow, that was like a one in a million chance back then.

Speaker 2:

Talk about being in the right place at the right time. Yeah, it gave him and Paul Allen this huge head start.

Speaker 1:

Absolutely.

Speaker 2:

They had access to technology that most people couldn't even dream of.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, gates himself has even said that having that early exposure was crucial to Microsoft's success. But then the video contrasts that with this other story of Kent Evans, who was Gates's brilliant friend, who died young in a mountaineering accident. Oh wow, yeah, that's a pretty stark reminder that luck can be a double-edged sword.

Speaker 2:

It really is, and it highlights how unpredictable life can be. You know, both Gates and Evans were incredibly smart, but their paths went in completely different directions because of things that were totally out of their control.

Speaker 1:

It really makes you think about how much control we actually have over our own success.

Speaker 2:

It does.

Speaker 1:

So if luck plays such a big role, does that mean we should just kind of throw our hands up and let fate decide our financial future? No, not at all. Yeah.

Speaker 2:

I think, while we can't completely eliminate luck or risk, understanding how much influence they have can help us make smarter decisions.

Speaker 1:

Okay.

Speaker 2:

It encourages us to be a little bit more humble about our successes and realize that sometimes things are just out of our hands. And that leads perfectly into another really important point the video makes about the real key to happiness.

Speaker 1:

Okay, Now this is where it gets interesting. We all know, but is it really the key to happiness?

Speaker 2:

Well, that's the question, isn't it? The video makes the case that true happiness doesn't come from just accumulating a ton of wealth. It's more about having control over your time and having the freedom to do what you love. Right, it's like money is buying you the opportunity to choose how you spend your days.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. It's not about the money itself, but what it allows you to do with your life.

Speaker 2:

Exactly a lot of sense. It's not about the money itself, but what it allows you to do with your life, exactly Like. Imagine a job that pays super well but it's high stress and leaves you exhausted with no time for anything else. Now compare that to a job that pays less but gives you more flexibility to spend time with your family, pursue hobbies, travel or whatever brings you joy. Which one sounds more fulfilling?

Speaker 1:

It's a tough choice, but for me it would be the freedom and the flexibility. It goes back to that idea that time is more valuable than money.

Speaker 2:

It is.

Speaker 1:

Or at least that money can be a way to buy back some of your time.

Speaker 2:

Right. It's about finding that balance between financial security and living a life that you actually enjoy. Using money as a tool to reach your goals, not making it the goal itself.

Speaker 1:

You know, this is making me think about how we all define enough when it comes to money. What might be enough for one person could feel like scarcity to someone else.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, that's a great point. And speaking of, like, unexpected outcomes and stuff, the video talks about this concept called tail events.

Speaker 1:

OK, have you ever heard of that? I've heard the term, but I'm not really sure what it means.

Speaker 2:

OK, so basically there are these like rare, unpredictable events that have a massive impact on the outcome, way bigger than anyone expects, kind of like.

Speaker 1:

Hold on. Let's unpack these tail events and how they fit into this whole money psychology thing. After a quick break, Don't go anywhere. Okay, so before the break we were talking about these tail events. You're saying they're like these rare, unpredictable things that can have a huge impact.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, exactly these events that have a way bigger impact than anyone could predict it. The video actually used the example of this art dealer, heinz Berggruen. Okay, he collected all this art by, like Picasso and Matisse.

Speaker 1:

Okay, but how does art collecting tie into this whole tail events idea?

Speaker 2:

So, berggruen, he knew that not every single piece he bought would end up being super valuable. Right, he was betting on just a few of those pieces becoming like masterpieces, like those rare tail events that appreciate like crazy and basically drive most of his returns.

Speaker 1:

So it's like venture capitalists.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

They invest in a bunch of startups, knowing that most of them will fail Exactly, but hoping that one or two become like the next big thing.

Speaker 2:

Exactly, it's that understanding that a tiny number of events can have this massive impact overall. And think about Amazon. Ok, their success wasn't just about selling books online Right, it was about those tail events like Amazon Prime and AWS.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, those were game changers, for sure.

Speaker 2:

Exactly those are the things that are huge now.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

They even dwarf all their other ventures.

Speaker 1:

Even with flops like the Fire Phone along the way.

Speaker 2:

Exactly. The video actually quotes Jeff Bezos talking about this. After the Fire Phone failed, Bezos said that Amazon was working on much bigger failures. Wow. So he was basically saying that you can't really innovate without taking some risks.

Speaker 1:

Right.

Speaker 2:

And knowing that some things just won't work out.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, you got to be OK with some experiments failing.

Speaker 2:

You can't make a breakthrough without a few stumbles along the way. Exactly, and this whole tail events way of thinking, it's not just for like big companies, it's actually relevant to like your own personal finances too.

Speaker 1:

OK, how? So I'm trying to picture how this applies to me.

Speaker 2:

It's about recognizing that you can't predict everything. You might make a ton of investments, but maybe only a few will really take off.

Speaker 1:

OK.

Speaker 2:

Diversifying and being patient are key, and being open to those unexpected wins.

Speaker 1:

So basically, don't put all your eggs in one basket and be prepared for some surprises.

Speaker 2:

Exactly Even Warren Buffett's success. It came from just a handful of extremely successful investments.

Speaker 1:

Really.

Speaker 2:

Most of his picks were just average.

Speaker 1:

Hmm, Interesting, you know. This reminds me of something else. The video talked about the difference between being rich and being wealthy People seem to use those terms interchangeably.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, it's a really important distinction, though being rich is all about like outward appearances, you know, fancy cars, lavish vacations, all that stuff. True wealth is about having assets that haven't been spent yet. Ok, it's about long term financial security.

Speaker 1:

So it's like someone could look rich but actually be drowning in debt.

Speaker 2:

Exactly.

Speaker 1:

While someone living a more modest life could have a huge investment portfolio that's just quietly growing.

Speaker 2:

Exactly True. Wealth is often invisible.

Speaker 1:

Right.

Speaker 2:

And it takes patience and delayed gratification. It's about thinking generations ahead, not just about your next purchase.

Speaker 1:

So it's not about keeping up with the Joneses, it's about building a solid financial foundation.

Speaker 2:

Exactly, and the video makes a really good point about how our culture kind of glorifies the trappings of wealth, not the habits that actually create it. Right, we see celebrities showing off their fancy lifestyles, but we don't see all the discipline and smart financial decisions that got them there.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it's like we see the tip of the iceberg. All the flashy stuff, right, but all the hard work and sacrifices hidden underneath.

Speaker 2:

Exactly. And that actually brings us to another interesting concept from the video the real price of investing.

Speaker 1:

Okay, I'm intrigued. What's the real price besides, like the actual money you put in?

Speaker 2:

So the video uses this analogy of climbing a mountain. When you climb a mountain, you know there are going to be challenges along the way.

Speaker 1:

Right.

Speaker 2:

You know storms, difficult terrain, you might even have to change your route, but you accept those risks as part of the journey to get to the summit.

Speaker 1:

So you're saying investing is kind of similar.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

There will be ups and downs, moments of doubt, but you have to accept that as part of the process.

Speaker 2:

Exactly, but a lot of investors try to avoid those inherent risks. They try to time the market perfectly, jumping in and out, trying to get something for nothing.

Speaker 1:

Right.

Speaker 2:

The video actually compares this to stealing a car instead of buying it.

Speaker 1:

Wow Okay.

Speaker 2:

You might get away with it for a while, but eventually there will be consequences.

Speaker 1:

So the real price of investing isn't just the money. Ok, you might get away with it for a while, but eventually there will be consequences. So the real price of investing isn't just the money Right. It's the emotional roller coaster, exactly the uncertainty, exactly that comes with it.

Speaker 2:

And the key is to view that price as an admission fee to something worthwhile.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

Not as like a penalty or a punishment.

Speaker 1:

OK.

Speaker 2:

If you focus on the long term goal, the ups and downs become way less scary.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, so it's all about perspective. Instead of being afraid of market fluctuations, you view them as a natural part of the journey.

Speaker 2:

Exactly, and that mindset shift is so important. It helps you avoid making impulsive decisions based on fear or greed.

Speaker 1:

Speaking of which, the video also talked about this concept called hedonic treadmills.

Speaker 2:

Oh yeah.

Speaker 1:

It sounds kind of complicated.

Speaker 2:

It does, but I think the idea itself is pretty relatable. Yeah, I agree, it's basically that tendency we all have to constantly want more, even when we've already got a pretty good level of comfort and success.

Speaker 1:

Right.

Speaker 2:

We get a raise. We want a bigger house, a nicer car. We achieve one goal and we instantly set our sights on the next bigger one.

Speaker 1:

It's like we're always running but never getting anywhere.

Speaker 2:

Exactly, it's this never-ending cycle of wanting more, and it can actually prevent us from feeling happy and financially secure. The video used the example of Bernie Madoff, the Ponzi scheme guy.

Speaker 1:

Oh yeah, Didn't he already have like billions of dollars he did? Why would someone with that much wealth even need to run a scheme like that?

Speaker 2:

That's the hedonic treadmill in action. Even with all that wealth, he was still driven by this insatiable need for more.

Speaker 1:

Wow.

Speaker 2:

Which ultimately led to his downfall.

Speaker 1:

That's a pretty powerful cautionary tale. It reminds us that true wealth isn't just about how much money you have.

Speaker 2:

It's not.

Speaker 1:

It's about finding contentment and knowing when you have enough.

Speaker 2:

Exactly. It's about making sure your financial goals actually align with your values and figuring out what really matters to you.

Speaker 1:

So, instead of chasing the next big thing, we should be focusing on what truly brings us satisfaction. Right, figuring out what enough means to us can be the key to financial and personal well-being. Couldn't agree more OK. So we're back and I'm still thinking about that enough thing. It's so easy to get caught up in comparing yourself to everyone else and feeling like you're always behind.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, it's the classic keeping up with the Joneses problem.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

But this video really encourages us to just step off that crazy treadmill you know and figure out what enough means for ourselves.

Speaker 1:

Right, because what's enough for one person can be totally different for someone else. It's about matching your money goals with your own values and what you want in life.

Speaker 2:

Exactly Finding that balance where you feel financially secure and you have the freedom to do the things you really care about. It might not be a mansion or a fancy car for everyone.

Speaker 1:

Right. It's about making choices that line up with how you want to live your life, and that definition of enough probably changes as you go through life too.

Speaker 2:

Right, absolutely. It's a conversation you're always having with yourself, checking in and making adjustments to make sure your money decisions reflect what you really want.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, like checking your financial compass every now and then.

Speaker 2:

Exactly Making sure you're still on the right track.

Speaker 1:

And, at the end of the day, money should be a tool to help us live better lives.

Speaker 2:

For sure it shouldn't be the other way around.

Speaker 1:

Well, this has been a fascinating deep dive. It's really made me think differently about my own relationship with money and what's important to me.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, it's so interesting to explore this human side of finance, you know, going beyond the numbers and into the psychology that shapes all our decisions about money.

Speaker 1:

And I have to say, this video. We talked about the psychology of money in 20 minutes by Escaping Ordinary. It's a great starting point for anyone who wants to learn more about this stuff.

Speaker 2:

Oh yeah, definitely. And, of course, the book that inspired the video Psychology of Money by Morgan Housel. That's a must read for anyone who's serious about understanding this topic.

Speaker 1:

Before we go, I want to leave everyone with a question to think about. If you had to write down your own financial DNA, what would be the key events or lessons that shaped it, and how is that affecting your financial decisions today?

Speaker 2:

That's a really great question. Taking the time to think about those experiences, both the good and the bad ones, it can help us understand our own biases and make better choices.

Speaker 1:

So, yeah, think about that for a bit. Examine your own financial DNA and use that knowledge to make better decisions and create a financial life that truly reflects what you value. Until next time, keep learning, keep exploring and remember the best investment you can make is always in yourself. A