S01E07 - Interview with Connor Anderson Part 2

In this episode of the Krulltimate Podcast, the conversation with Connor Anderson continues as Professor Krebs dives deep into the mythology and lore of the 1983 film 'Krull'. The discussion centers around the enigmatic prophecy, the character of Ynyr, and the possibilities of multiple Lyssas. The podcast also explores the invention of the Glaive, its significance, and its journey to Krull. Listeners are taken on an exploration of how history and myth intertwine in the world of Krull, alongside musings on character depth, particularly Ynyr's age and backstory. Join us for an enthusiastic and detailed conversation about the beloved fantasy universe.

Transcript

Professor Krebs 0:05

But one thing I cannot know, whether the prophecy be true. Because if it's not true, then he's really not at fault. But if it is true, what does that mean about him

Connor Anderson 0:16

And the idea of like, so the fact that he's setting these people up to fulfill this prophecy, knowing it could not even happen is just still great. And how many times has Ynyr tried to lead someone through the prophecy just to watch it fail?

Professor Krebs 0:35

I, that is a great question because like they say a girl of ancient name. So how many Lyssas are there? How many women named Chrysanthemum are there in the world or whatever?

Connor Anderson 0:46

How many Karens exist?

Professor Krebs 0:48

or Elsbethamel or

Connor Anderson 0:50

Yeah. Yeah.

Professor Krebs 0:51

Because that's supposed to be like the equivalent of this name in the world, right? Also, it doesn't say Lyssa in the prophecy, it just says a girl of ancient

Connor Anderson 0:59

name. Of ancient name.

Professor Krebs 1:00

So some lady named Rosamond is out there. You know, I, you make, you raise a great question. How many princes did he lead up to the, to the, mountains and have them not

Connor Anderson 1:10

watch them catch fire and they never come back down again. Yeah.

Professor Krebs 1:13

That's a question I'd never considered. In my head canon, it was Lyssa. They hit sort of the precipice of fulfillment of the prophecy, but then the responsibilities of uniting the kingdoms and the planet of Krull and becoming the king of all of Krull and the, the sense of duty that Ynyr feels and his ambition, right? A little bit of, a bit of pride as well as a bit of, like that, that conflict of, of responsibility, duty, and ambition, pulled him away. from his, from his bride. And then she felt disdain and abandonment and, and, uh, and then her rage needed a victim. Like he, he was gone so long, he never even knew she was

Connor Anderson 1:57

Right. yeah, that's a, that's a decent amount of time to disappear with, for

Professor Krebs 2:01

And so in my head, they tried it, they failed, they suffered their penance, him and him in exile, her in the, in the web. And, And nothing came of it again until Colwyn and Lyssa, uh, but to your point, it would be very interesting to find out that there was at least one, if not several attempts in between

Connor Anderson 2:26

I feel like if his, if he felt like he was supposed to fulfill the prophecy and didn't, the idea that he has to spend the next thousand years watching other people fail and trying to help them and only leading them to their deaths. Like, what a fantastic, awful thing for that guy to go through, which would make sense as to why he's in the state that he's in when he gets there. And he's finally like, all right, we're going all in on this one. You know, we're going to go all or nothing. We're solving this now, you know, cause I don't know. It's a, it's a, yeah, it's, it's fun to talk about.

Professor Krebs 3:04

It is fun.

Connor Anderson 3:05

get overly excited every time I'm just like rambling now. Like, well, what if this happened? What about that other thing? Yeah,

Professor Krebs 3:13

Like, we, we enjoy sort of the exploration of the what if and the fantasy of it. And Krull leaves so many open doors for telling excellent stories. And we'll get into some of those in just a moment. But I have to ask you this next question, which is, Based on what we know, and maybe combined with what we think, How old do you think Ynyr actually is?

Connor Anderson 3:35

not as old as all that. Uh, uh,

Professor Krebs 3:38

thank you for taking the bait, but

Connor Anderson 3:40

probably, I mean, I have always pictured like, I mean, he's the old one, even the cyclops refers to him as the old one, even the

Professor Krebs 3:47

everyone

Connor Anderson 3:48

calls him old friend. Like he's, I, he's like the Tom Bombadil of the, the Krull world, like he's been there forever I feel like, so I'm gonna say thousands. An unknown amount of thousands of year intervals is how old Ynyr is in my brain. You know, he's been around forever and I think maybe through some awful dark magic the reason he's lived so long is because he failed that first time and is being forced to watch others fail as punishment, which is why he's been here forever. But yeah, I don't know what I'm talking about. I'm just some guy. I have no idea.

Professor Krebs 4:21

I'm just some guy. I'm

Connor Anderson 4:21

Yeah.

Professor Krebs 4:22

well, he's just this guy, you know. Uh, Krull is a world where like, and they say this in the treatment about the film and about where they were coming from in terms of like the story design, but Krull is a world where magic is part of the natural order. Just as much as like, um, in the book, they talk about the unique magnetosphere. So they're talking about more like scientific aspects of the planet, but the unique magnetosphere is an aspect of Krull that the fortress, the Black Fortress uses to travel in it's sort of like interdimensional style all over the planet every time the suns rise. So they, they acknowledge that Krull has unique properties at a scientific level, but magic is also part of the natural order. So you have like this really strange science, and then you also have magic and what happens when science and magic collide, or not even collide what happens when they coexist. And I, as a side note, I think the Beast is an example is a, as a separate example, almost a foil of, you know, Krull is this beautiful planet where science and magic coexist. I think the Beast is also the result of science and magic. Like I think a lot of what the Beast does has to do with biotechnology more so than biomancy. And so you have like the high technology that enables space travel, the interstellar travel, then you have the magic stuff that lends itself to like illusion and manipulation and, you know, things like that. So, I think, I think the Beast is a great foil for the entire planet of Krull. He's like the cancerous version. Um, but that's just, that's just me spewing thoughts. I don't really have a question related to that. I just wanted to share that with you, I

Connor Anderson 6:05

Fantastic. Then I'm not gonna feel bad derailing that by saying I just had the If you watch this 30 seconds ago, I had an epiphany. So do you think. This prophecy is Krull-based or universe-based? And is the Beast hopping from planet to planet looking for girls of ancient names to rule the galaxy? Because I know that the Beast is not a Beast. It's a The beast, there, it's a whole species, So are there different beasts on different worlds looking for that one true girl of ancient name?

Professor Krebs 6:39

So that's a great question, because I think, okay, so let's, let's go back to the first question. The first question was, is it a Krull prophecy or is it a universal prophecy? So if we,

Connor Anderson 6:50

why does the Beast know about it?

Professor Krebs 6:52

So if you open the book by Alan Dean Foster, on the very cover page, like there's not even, it's literally the cover page, right? It starts off saying tumbling through galactic space, the Glaive bears this message. So, the Glaive is traveling through space. We see that in the opening credits of the movie, right? And, and for us in the eighties, it was a flashy way to put the title on the screen, but it's actually. So, the

Connor Anderson 7:16

Glaive is not from Krull.

Professor Krebs 7:17

The Glaive is not from Krull and the Glaive is in transit to Krull.

Connor Anderson 7:20

Correct. And this is before Ynyr finds it the first time and uses it to fulfill the prophecy back before he fails.

Professor Krebs 7:26

Well, actually, Ynyr doesn't use the Glaive, but the

Connor Anderson 7:30

just knows where it

Professor Krebs 7:30

you. He, he, yeah. So, so we're going to have to hit on that and just, we're going to get into a whole like

Connor Anderson 7:35

we got a whole

Professor Krebs 7:36

episode. All right. So it says from the sky will come the Black Fortress, from the fortress will come the Slayers to devour the planet of Krull. Then shall a girl of ancient name become queen, she shall choose a king and together they shall rule the planet and their son shall rule the galaxy. And then it talks about, sort of, it goes back to like the description of the Glaive itself. Um, imbued with a fearsome power, can be a wondrous weapon in the hands of the right man, it can save the planet. Alright, so, so to answer the first question. I have reason to believe this is a prophecy for Krull, but I agree with you that the Beast knows about it. The Beast is doing this intentionally, with great intention. Um, he, he is there to, um, hijack, for lack of a better term, the prophecy,

Connor Anderson 8:27

he even says in the film, uh, I will be the king that you choose. Like, to Lyssa. So he's, he acknowledges that the, the Beast acknowledges that he knows about the prophecy and is saying, Hey, you're going to choose me and we can rule the galaxy together. So yes, the Beast does know about that.

Professor Krebs 8:45

Absolutely, he does. Um, it'll take me a moment to find it. What, what's that? No, you go ahead, you

Connor Anderson 8:52

No, I'm just laughing about it. This is the nerdiest thing I've ever done. And I love it.

Professor Krebs 8:58

Just being on this show?

Connor Anderson 8:59

Yeah. Like what's the target audience? The target audience for this is the two of us, and we're already doing this. So we should,

Professor Krebs 9:12

true. You're not wrong. You're not wrong. Um, I'll have, you know what, I'm going to have to take some time offline to like, read through this, the liner notes again.

Connor Anderson 9:24

should, we should dedicate this podcast to the movie and do a second one dedicated to just the book. And then

Professor Krebs 9:32

you, you're hitting on an idea that I've had, like there needs to be deep dives into each of these

Connor Anderson 9:36

because they're all they're all different enough that you could kind of dedicate a whole Segment to each of them for sure.

Professor Krebs 9:42

Yeah. Now, let me, let me, since we're on the topic of Ynyr, I want to go back to Rell in a second. But since we're on the topic of Ynyr, I want to challenge something really quick. Because I asked you the question like, how old is Ynyr? And then you immediately threw out the quote, which I thought was fantastic. Well, not as old as all that. So then it comes with like a binary question. First of all, how old is all that? And second,

Connor Anderson 10:04

All That was a show I think from the

Professor Krebs 10:07

In the 90s, it was the 90s, so, yes, yes,

Connor Anderson 10:11

a handful of other. Yeah, so he's not that old I mean he was actually older than All That To

Professor Krebs 10:17

he is actually older than All That.

Connor Anderson 10:20

Sorry.

Professor Krebs 10:22

He would live long enough to see All That. Would not,

Connor Anderson 10:26

Yeah.

Professor Krebs 10:26

not die until much later, but, um, anyway. So, gosh dang it. Uh, that's

Connor Anderson 10:33

derailing your actual

Professor Krebs 10:34

I think it's

Connor Anderson 10:35

dumb remarks.

Professor Krebs 10:36

So, so, okay. So here are, here are some thoughts. You and I agree with, with a preponderance of evidence that he obviously knows where the Glaive is at. Like, he knows where it is. That would presuppose that either he was there to witness whatever events led to the Glaive being at that point, or he was simply educated as to its location by, you know, the passing down of knowledge.

Connor Anderson 11:03

Or, he couldn't get it. He knows where it was, because he tried to go up there, but he couldn't get it out of the lava.

Professor Krebs 11:10

that is highly possible because in the book, he has this inner monologue moment where he genuinely questions if he could have been the kind of man to wield the Glaive successfully. And it sounds, I mean, they leave it pretty open ended, but one could, one interpretation could be that he has regret that he never tried, that there was fear about it or that he was never successfully able to even possess it. In the book, it also does a much better job of explaining when Colwyn takes the Glaive, there is a bond that is formed between him and the weapon, and the weapon has its own level of sentience, has its own sense of will, its own sense of purpose. But in the book, and they don't do this in the movie, obviously, but in the book, when he's like still in the cave, he feels compelled to throw it away from him, and then he is shocked when it returns harmlessly to his hand. And in that moment, they kind of understand each other a little bit.

Connor Anderson 12:16

That is one of my favorite things of the film, is that Colwyn goes up to this, the highest peak. And he finds this ancient weapon, and his first instinct is just to huck it off the hill as far as he can. And he's like, no, no, no, don't use it yet! It's like, Frodo gets the one ring, he's like, yep, alright, we're gonna throw it over there and just keep going. I love that. It cracks

Professor Krebs 12:38

I was so excited.

Connor Anderson 12:39

see it.

Professor Krebs 12:40

I was so excited finding it the first time. I want to find it

Connor Anderson 12:42

And he's like, he looks so, he's like playing frisbee with it, he's so excited when he runs down the hill.

Professor Krebs 12:48

Yeah, he comes down the hill and then, yeah, but, uh, and then Ynyr stops him, right? Ynyr teaches him a little bit of self control there. Um,

Connor Anderson 12:56

Cracks me up every time I watch that shot. He's just like, look what I found! Woo! Oh, there it

Professor Krebs 13:05

know, well, you know, what's funny is in the 80s, naturally this would happen, but in the 80s, there was a limited print of frisbees with the Glaive printed on it

Connor Anderson 13:14

Well, I'll be going on eBay later and I'll,

Professor Krebs 13:17

from, from what I understand there was, it was primarily a promotional item for the cast and crew. But there were a few that got out into the wild. I don't know. I don't know if they ever sold it on shelves or if they did. I think there were two different prints because there's one print that's especially for the production crew. And then there's one print that was sort of out in the wild, but it was very, it was a very limited run.

Connor Anderson 13:37

a cool idea.

Professor Krebs 13:38

I know.

Connor Anderson 13:39

Yeah.

Professor Krebs 13:40

Um, so, okay. So, Ynyr knows where the Glaive is and Ynyr this for me, this is like the biggest piece of evidence that he's much older than we think he is. He has lived long enough to know not, not just have belief, but to know that the Glaive is real when absolutely everybody else, including a crowned prince of a kingdom thinks that it's religious iconography.

Connor Anderson 14:08

Yeah.

Professor Krebs 14:09

It's, it's part of their, I, we don't get a clear sense of what their full religion perspective is. Right. But we know that it's, we know that it's part of like their emblems of power because it's all over the White Castle of Eirig.

Connor Anderson 14:23

All over the throne room. Yeah.

Professor Krebs 14:24

all over the throne room. It's in the bottom of the basin and during the wedding ceremony.

Connor Anderson 14:28

Ynyr's got on his staff.

Professor Krebs 14:29

He has it on his staff. It's symbolic. And then of course, Colwyn gives us the exposition of, but it's just an ancient symbol. It's not even real, you know, and then and then Ynyr has to educate him on like, oh, it's very real. And it used to be a very powerful weapon, indeed, and all this other stuff, right. So, so extrapolating from all that Ynyr has seen it in action. He knows what it's capabilities are to some degree. He understands the nature of it well enough to know that he himself cannot wield it, but someone special can, he understands. And I think people are going to get mad at me for saying this, but, but just for the moment, go with me on this ride. He understands he has to find the right man for this job. It needs to be wielded by a man in this case for a reason. And then fourth, he has witnessed it become an emblem and an icon that everyone thinks is metaphoric. I don't know where they think that emblem comes from. Maybe they tell stories like Grecian mythology. I don't know that, but he's seen it used in iconography. Like you said, it's on his staff, but people don't believe it's real anymore. It's gone long enough that people don't believe it's real anymore. So he knew it was real and now people don't know that it's real at all. So how long do you think that takes?

Connor Anderson 15:45

I, this is gonna sound absolutely insane, but I have never once thought about the, like, the mythology of the world that led to that point. And I feel really stupid for having never thought about that. Like, that's such a cool idea. Like, yeah, why does everyone know what the Glaive is? To the point that it's everywhere. But no one thinks it's real anymore. So, uh, Krebs, uh, Um,

Professor Krebs 16:13

is why I love talking about this movie. People don't understand how cool this movie

Connor Anderson 16:18

so that means, at some point in the history of Krull, some event happened where the Glaive was like, Hey everyone, look at this magic item saving the world! And then, it got lost, and then, those, some things that should not have been forgotten were lost. Myths became legends, legends became whatever the Lord of the Rings quote is from the beginning of that. So, yeah, there must have been, so what was the event that would have required the Glaive thousands of years ago that Ynyr witnessed that started this whole legend?

Professor Krebs 16:53

Let me challenge that thought for a second. What makes you think it takes thousands of years for people to forget?

Connor Anderson 16:57

that's true. You're also right. You're also right with that. I mean, people don't know what VHS tapes are anymore. So like this all could have happened 30 years ago in the world, you know,

Professor Krebs 17:11

All them, all them Krull kids going around with the dang one-eye Phones.

Connor Anderson 17:15

disc. I thought it was just a symbol. It's not a real thing.

Professor Krebs 17:19

It was very real once. Very powerful and ancient medium.

Connor Anderson 17:24

So after films happened, uh, yeah, I mean, it could have been so, which could mean. That Ynyr could not, I mean, he might not be that old.

Professor Krebs 17:37

So

Connor Anderson 17:38

old enough to know about the old stuff.

Professor Krebs 17:40

yeah, so what, just, just thinking through it for a second, what would you say is the minimum length of time for an entire planet, as far as we know, to forget about an ancient and real weapon that was used in, in a major event on the planet.

Connor Anderson 17:57

I'm gonna say not that long and I'm trying to do everything I can to not make this a really depressing conversation

Professor Krebs 18:07

You're doing great by the

Connor Anderson 18:08

Because historically speaking we as humans have done some pretty awful things to each other and don't seem to remember that so yeah, so I'm gonna say Okay. So let's talk about this in a, in a metaphorical ethereal sort of non literal sense, a few hundred years. Okay, like, we don't know the exact details of the Revolutionary War, right? We know these battles happened, but we don't know, Oh, these 50 guys with these names were in that battle. I mean, we might. I don't know. This might be a bad example. But like, a few hundred years feels like a good enough time to know the stories, but not the details. But I feel like you need a couple extra hundred years to make something sort of a legendary figure. I mean, I feel like a lot of our Earth based legends are all, I mean, but even that's kind of wrong. I feel like this is a, this is a really tricky question.

Professor Krebs 19:09

All right. So, so allow me just to throw this out and then you can feel free to agree with me or tell me I'm an ignoramus or

Connor Anderson 19:15

you're an ignoramus, Krebs.

Professor Krebs 19:17

Thank you. I appreciate that. Um, I, I want to put a minimum time span on this. Okay. I think it would take at least 100 years. I think, like if, if we right now that we have the benefit of, of so much technology in terms of recording our history, reporting our history and revisiting our history.

Connor Anderson 19:43

true.

Professor Krebs 19:44

Um, But let's let let's place ourselves in the 15th century, as we understand it, and then let's say, okay, so it's 1524. What was life like in 1424? And I don't know, I don't I don't fully understand what the answers would sound like if you ask someone in 1524, what life was like 100 years prior.

Connor Anderson 20:13

Yeah, I think the, the thing is going to be writing down that information, right? that is what keeps those stories and that information alive and going. So, do the people of Krull have a written history? We know Ergo does. He's one of the hill people. They're kind of looked down on. All of his spells are written down on cards. So you're going to say that HE can write, but Colwyn, the prince, doesn't know how to read? I feel like you have to assume that there has to be some sort of written language on Krull probably many written languages, right? So there has to be some sort of history. So whatever the Glaive stuff is has to have existed before the invention of written language to make it that sort of mythological Oh, it didn't really happen. You know, this was before recorded history sort of thing, right? So yeah, at least a hundred years, maybe a few hundred.

Professor Krebs 21:14

Yeah, I would, I would absolutely entertain a few hundred, right? And, and, uh, here's a rhetorical question. We know that the Glaive has uh, script on it, right? And, um, and it says that the Glaive arrived on Krull bearing this message. And so, the, the prophecy is what I assume

Connor Anderson 21:36

You're so right. Oh, you're so oh my god, that's I got goosebumps. That's very exciting. You're so right. That's how the Glaive delivers the message.

Professor Krebs 21:47

So, if the Glaive is alien the Glaive is from somewhere else, we don't know where but it came through space to get to Krull, so someone sent a, a bladey, powerful text message to the entire planet of Krull,

Connor Anderson 22:01

it says so is the planet Krull only called Krull because the Glaive said it is because the Glaive message says from the sky will come the Black Fortress yada yada yada to devour the planet of Krull. And if that is what's written on the Glaive, does the Glaive name the planet?

Professor Krebs 22:19

Well,

Connor Anderson 22:20

But how do they read it? Also, how would they read it?

Professor Krebs 22:23

See? See? So, so, I mean, it's high alien technology, it has a will of its own, it has a level of sentience, and that was going to be my rhetorical question, which is like, how did the creators of the Glaive know which alphabet to use? Maybe that's not the right question. Maybe the next question is, how does the Glaive display the message? And how is the message perceived? That's really the

Connor Anderson 22:46

deciphered on the receiving end?

Professor Krebs 22:48

Yeah, and could you imagine being on Krull when a shooting star is actually a shreddy star, and it lands in the field with you, and then you look at it, and it's like, Hi, I'm a little

Connor Anderson 23:01

Oh, guess what? You're gonna get invaded in 10 days. Oh, this is an awful thing.

Professor Krebs 23:06

The Blackcoats are coming!

Connor Anderson 23:07

one's gonna believe this.

Professor Krebs 23:09

Some kid picks it up. He's like, Oh, man, look. Oh, no, we're gonna be invaded. Oh, a girl of ancient name. Now I gotta go find a girl.

Connor Anderson 23:16

you think that people would intentionally name their daughters after ancient names, hoping they'd be the princess to rule the galaxy?

Professor Krebs 23:22

It's very much a Willy Wonka problem, right? Like it's, it's like, Oh, it's going to be me. It's got to be me. And like little Veruca Salt out there is like, I'm the princess and I'm gonna be the queen. And it's not true. Right? How many maybe maybe Oh, check this out. Check this out. What? What if every kingdom on the planet had a tradition, habit, or ambition of naming all of their princess daughters after ancient names?

Connor Anderson 23:51

They're the ones to rule the planet

Professor Krebs 23:52

hoping they're the ones to rule the planet.

Connor Anderson 23:54

So, there's a short term political move of, Oh, well, here's this new ancient name princess, but also,

Professor Krebs 24:01

if you don't, you automatically exclude your daughter from the

Connor Anderson 24:03

You're right You're right. But here's another problem. If, if the ancient name is Lyssa, and suddenly, we're naming all of our daughters Lyssa, It's, it's kind of a modern name now, right? So like, so can you undo an ancient name by renaming too many people that name?

Professor Krebs 24:22

uh, well, you know what, Elizabeth is still modern, but Elizabeth's been around for a dang long time, right?

Connor Anderson 24:28

Is Lissa short for something?

Professor Krebs 24:31

uh, Alyssa? No, actually, in the, in the book that's all it says.

Connor Anderson 24:36

Lyssa!

Professor Krebs 24:39

Um, so, so, uh, to your point though, like in the prophecy, it doesn't, it doesn't say Lyssa, it just says ancient name. So,

Connor Anderson 24:46

name. Yeah.

Professor Krebs 24:48

So to kind of sum up that, how old is Ynyr, I think it's at least a hundred years in a time with, with low technology. I think it's at least a hundred years, but it's probably longer than that.

Connor Anderson 24:57

Would argue that it, I think it's more than that because if Colwyn knows him as the old one with like, Whoa, surprise. I feel like if in Ynyr's, only a hundred than like his dad would have known Ynyr as kind of just an old guy not like the old one just an older dude, right? And then Colwyn's grandfather would be like, oh, yeah, I'm the same age as Ynyr. So it's got to be somebody who's older than a couple hundred. I would say I would

Professor Krebs 25:23

that's probably so. And I think there's also something to be said for, um, you know, you look at Ynyr and you look at the Emerald Seer. He refers to Ynyr as his old friend, not his old pupil, not, not so, you know, but Ynyr is at least visually speaking, he appears much younger than the Seer, but he's got to be at least as old

Connor Anderson 25:44

I would say as yeah, at least as old

Professor Krebs 25:46

at least as old as the Seer. And so I think, there's some exploration around, okay, how old is the Emerald Seer? How do they know each other? My brother, sister, and I theorize maybe they were in a school together, very Hogwarts-ish, and that's how they know each other. You know, what, what if they learned about their abilities together kind

Connor Anderson 26:04

Yeah, trained together, yeah.

Professor Krebs 26:06

Yeah. Um, but, but anyway, you slice it, Ynyr is old enough that he has, an almost universal moniker because the, the Cyclops uses it, you know, uh,

Connor Anderson 26:21

the Cyclops who came from a different planet to come here to die knows about the old one on Krull. Like he's, he's, he's been there for a while.

Professor Krebs 26:29

and, and he's picked up the accent really well

Connor Anderson 26:32

Yes, very

Professor Krebs 26:33

a beautiful British accent. All right. So I want to go back to Rell because Rell, Rell is, is shockingly like the most story rich character in this,

Connor Anderson 26:44

Is, is Rell your favorite? Who's your favorite character? I'm gonna turn this around a little bit on you too while we're doing this. Who's your favorite character in this whole film? And you can't say Titch just because you know Graham.

Professor Krebs 26:55

Not just because, And you know, I, I've wrestled with this a lot, because I am torn somewhere between Rell and Torquil. I think that Rell has the grandest established opportunity for storytelling. I think Torquil is a fascinatingly unexplored character because there are certain hints and certain clues as to what his background might be that when you start exploring those, all of a sudden it just blows the doors open on what we could know about Torquil, where maybe he did come from and why he's the way that he is and all that, right? And plus just his attitude is my spirit animal, you know? And you have to be a special person to be best friends with Liam Neeson's Keegan,

Connor Anderson 27:43

Hello.

Professor Krebs 27:45

Hello. It's my, that's my favorite line in the whole

Connor Anderson 27:47

Yeah. Yeah. Mine too, I think.

Professor Krebs 27:51

So, yeah, so I, I think in terms of story opportunity, I think Rell edges out Torquil. In terms of, you know, who would I want to be in the story, if not Colwyn. Because I don't think that's a good fit for me. I think it would be Torquil. And so what about you? What, who's your favorite character in the film? And, you know, I want to say excluding some obvious answer, but I don't know. Who's your favorite character in the film?

Connor Anderson 28:18

I, I would have to do two answers, right? Because as a, as a storyteller and like a guy who likes acting and stuff, I've got, this is my favorite to watch. And if I could be in this, I'd love to be this guy. Uh, I think favorite, I mean, Torquil is really high up there. I have to agree with you on both counts. I think Torquil and Rell are phenomenal because of their kind of, I mean, I don't have to explain why Rell is awesome or Torquil. I like them both a lot. I think if I were to, like, if someone was like, hey, come be in the new Krull movie, I'd say, all right, I'd like to be Keegan, please. Give me four lines of dialogue and a good death scene and I'll go home. I just want to be here. You know, uh, if I had to pick between Rell and Torquil, I think the, just the, the general lore of the Cyclops of how they were fooled by the Beast into giving up an eye to see the future only to see their own death is such That is such a cool That's better storytelling than like half of modern movies. Just that one little bit of history. I, I, Rell is super cool. Uh, man, I'm going to say Torquil. I think Torquil is also my favorite character.

Professor Krebs 29:38

Wow. It's like you and I are the same

Connor Anderson 29:39

Yeah. We have a lot of things in common. It's why we're friends.

Professor Krebs 29:45

Absolutely. Absolutely. Everything about the Cyclops intrigues me in this particular mythos. If I look at the Cyclops as it's represented in Greek mythology, it's neat, but I don't think I don't find it compelling. It's it's not something that where I find out that like, The Cyclops in Greek mythology is done in such a way as to be an antagonist or a monster or an opposition. He is an obstacle to be overcome. But in Krull, the Cyclops is an object lesson. The Cyclops is one of the two great tragedies of Krull.

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