S01E08 - Interview with Connor Anderson Part 3

In this bonus-length episode of the Krulltimate Podcast, host Professor Krebs and guest Connor Anderson explore the intricate world of the 1983 sci-fi fantasy film Krull. They delve into the film's lore, dissect various plot points, discuss the characters and their significance, and Professor Krebs gets ambusheed with a challenging Krull trivia quiz! Together, they unpack the mysterious elements and nuances of the movie, all while demonstrating their profound appreciation for this classic piece of cinema.

Transcript

Professor Krebs 0:05

The Cyclops, and to your point, the Cyclops isn't even from Krull, but he knows he has to be there in order to die

Connor Anderson 0:12

How'd it get there, Does he have a spaceship? Yeah.

Professor Krebs 0:17

for so long, which is like, okay, so, you know, he comes from another world and I love how Ynyr just drops that. And nobody reacts.

Connor Anderson 0:24

That's a very common thing on Krull. This guy's from a different planet. Oh yeah, okay, cool.

Professor Krebs 0:29

you know, in our experience of the film, the Black Fortress comes to Krull, it lands and now you have the alien invaders, right? And then things go into motion. The truth is, from what we know from the liner notes, this is not the first time that a Beast has come to Krull and that we could argue that that's where Ynyr got the opportunity to fulfill the prophecy the first time. So so they've they've seen alien invaders before. And there's also no indication of how much time has passed since the alien invaders have arrived, but we know that they are ravaging the countryside. They've taken over the passes. They've, they've done some work. The, the fortress is hopping all over the planet, every sunrise doing harm and burning villages and taking over. So we don't know how long this has been going on when we get to the events of the wedding, the original red wedding, as I like to call it. Um, But, but that, and, and we also know that the kingdom of Turold and the kingdom of Eirig who are like Rome, you know, they're Capulets and Montagues, they have a rivalry that, that, that runs anciently. But if you look at the armor for both kingdoms, they're almost the exact same thing. Just just a color palette

Connor Anderson 1:45

Definitely not a budget choice. It's definitely, uh, an in world mythology thing. Yeah.

Professor Krebs 1:50

I, yes, yes, taking, taking the film as our primary source of truth and the book and the liner notes and other elements, the comic books that you have on your wall, the children's book, all that, taking all of that into account together with the film being sort of the glue that holds it all together and verifies things. Um, it's also important to note that they're wearing like this plastoid armor, right? It's the only thing in the world. That looks plastic.

Connor Anderson 2:15

high tech. Yeah.

Professor Krebs 2:16

So the question becomes, where did that technology come from? Why do only the soldiers of the palace have it? Um, how long have the alien invaders been there? You could take all this into account. And then it does, it does start to make sense that Ynyr would just sit there and be like, the Cyclops come from another world. And, you know, And, and, and nobody bats an eye. They're like, Oh, yeah, it's because we're not alone in the universe. Of course, they come from another world.

Connor Anderson 2:41

Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah.

Professor Krebs 2:42

So, let me ask you then, we've talked about Ynyr, we've talked about Rell and the what's a little gem, a little hidden nugget in Krull that you absolutely love that maybe a lot of people just overlook because it's just a moment of exposition or, or maybe it's an angle or a scene.

Connor Anderson 3:01

I, um, okay. So I love, there are a lot of, this is such a quotable film, right? There are a lot of little just throwaway lines that are just astonishingly good. Um, but I don't want to do just dialogue. I think your question is bigger than dialogue.

Professor Krebs 3:18

But it can be dialogue and that's okay.

Connor Anderson 3:20

I mean, every single line is perfect. Uh, uh, so without recording the entire film, um, okay, let me think about this. This is tricky. I think. That, well, we can talk about the hourglass in the, right? So there's an hourglass in the web that Lyssa, the Widow, turns to stop the spider. But also, the sand in that hourglass is her life, which she gives to Ynyr until it runs out. I don't even know where to start with that. So there is sand, her life force has been attached to this sand and this hourglass. It can only be turned once, ever, She's never turned it before. The, how did that happen? Who put her life in that hourglass? How did that happen? Did that happen because she killed her kid? What bargain did she make with what sort of thing to turn her life into the sand of that hourglass? This

Professor Krebs 4:39

I,

Connor Anderson 4:39

an open ended question. Please tell me. I don't know yet.

Professor Krebs 4:42

I don't,

Connor Anderson 4:43

cool, weird thing.

Professor Krebs 4:44

It is such a cool, weird thing. And I actually love it. The mystery of it is one of the things that's appealing because even in all of, of the sources that I've seen, there is no explanation. You're describing it accurately. I've fiddled around with theories about this, trying to make something fit, trying to make something stick. Right. And I don't have anything as solid as what we've talked about so far. Uh, but, but. At least some, there are some things we could acknowledge along the way. One is, we know that she's in the same age bracket as Ynyr. She's Ynyr's Lyssa, right? We also know that her little apartment is essentially like a chair, maybe a dais to sleep on and a table. And this table has and a mirror and this and this table has an hourglass. Um, I think that there is something wildly poetic in the fact that her punishment has a mirror.

Connor Anderson 5:47

Do you think the same power that makes, uh, the Widow live so long is the same thing that makes Ynyr live so long? Does he have an hourglass somewhere, or are they the same hourglass? Is for some reason both of their sand in that hourglass? Which

Professor Krebs 6:00

I think it's still, I think it's still her life, but what we see is sort of the, the confirmation that their lives were always intertwined.

Connor Anderson 6:12

Yeah.

Professor Krebs 6:13

That they were, that they had chosen paths such that their destinies became interwoven and were inextricably now connected. It didn't have to be that way, as we learned from the Cyclops, doesn't have to be that way. But they had made choices in their youth that caused that weave to occur. And now they were tied to each other. Um, and he, and how does he spend his life? Staying as far from her as he can. Um, And, and he ultimately can't, right? Eventually he has to, his, his life doesn't end until he reaches,

Connor Anderson 6:51

with

Professor Krebs 6:52

yeah, he reaches, um, sort of a, uh, what's what I'm looking for? Not redemption, but, um, he, Yeah, he gets closure with her, right? He gains her forgiveness. They it's the poetry and the beauty of their tragedy. Theirs is the is the first tragedy of Krull, right? The tragedy in a romantic literary sense is so profound and beautiful. The more you dig at it, the more it digs at you. You know, and, and so to go back to your question, you asked, you asked a simple question that's easy to answer, which is, is this her punishment for killing her son? Yes. And she says it right. She a hundred percent just says it out loud. She's all, and this is my punishment. There is something very interesting that happens when she talks about the sand. She, she says it can be turned only once and it's Francesca Annis with this gorgeous British accent and gorgeous British face. But I D I digress. Um, this gorgeous British accent. She says, That is the lore of the web. Now, she says it with an accent that can be interpreted one of two ways. It's either the lore of the web, or it is the law of the web. And according to the subtitles, and if I'm not mistaken, the book, she actually says law. So

Connor Anderson 8:19

I always heard it as lure. Like that's, that's what makes you want to go in here. The lure of the web. Yeah.

Professor Krebs 8:25

of the web. I, I, you know what,

Connor Anderson 8:26

I'm going to look it up right now while we're talking.

Professor Krebs 8:28

Yes, we should. We should. Uh, for the longest time, that's, I, you're right, that's actually how I interpreted it for a long time was lure, like bait. Um, so actually three ways that could be interpreted

Connor Anderson 8:40

That is the law of the web. Page 164. It may only be turned once. That is the law of the web.

Professor Krebs 8:47

Yeah, but isn't it interesting how she says it because it can be,

Connor Anderson 8:50

I always thought it was lure.

Professor Krebs 8:52

Well, what,

Connor Anderson 8:53

Yeah, I've even read this and I still think it lure.

Professor Krebs 8:56

what if, what if, you know, in an almost biblical literary sense, what if it's actually all three?

Connor Anderson 9:02

Yeah, I think, I

Professor Krebs 9:03

It is the law, it is the lore, it is the lure, right? Like, it works on all three levels, which is one of the, I don't know if Francesca Annas did that deliberately outside of just, you know, the diphthong in her accent, but I, It is absolutely beautiful. Ooh, well in wait now, now do you have the sixth version of the script?

Connor Anderson 9:30

this is the third draft, November

Professor Krebs 9:33

So third, well, third draft would have been Dragons of Krull,

Connor Anderson 9:36

This is the Dragons of Krull, yes.

Professor Krebs 9:38

Do they have the, I, I never, I apologize. I never finished reading my copy.

Connor Anderson 9:42

How

Professor Krebs 9:43

they have, do they have the Widow

Connor Anderson 9:44

Yeah, I'm, I'm reading The Widow right now, uh, but I don't see this line in particular because we have, so it starts on page 69.

Professor Krebs 9:58

So folks at home, this is a reprint of the third edition of the script that Connor made for me. He bound it by hand and put a glaive on the cover.

Connor Anderson 10:09

that, yes.

Professor Krebs 10:11

Yes, it's beautiful and I love it.

Connor Anderson 10:12

Uh, mine is in an old blue folder, which is more accurate to the shooting scripts of the time, but not as cool looking.

Professor Krebs 10:20

it's not as cool looking. Uh, where are you in terms

Connor Anderson 10:23

Uh, page 70, give or take, is where the scene happens.

Professor Krebs 10:28

Just so you know, the Titch I'd wish for a puppy scene is still the same.

Connor Anderson 10:33

what a foolish wish. Um, so, here we have she breaks the hourglass and pours the sand into his open hand. Before that, ah, no, here we go. So,

Professor Krebs 10:46

What page are we on, I'm

Connor Anderson 10:47

page 72. uh, the Widow is talking about where the fortress of Krull will rise, not the Black Fortress yet. It says, Ynyr touches his, his glaive. Not THE glaive, not A glaive, HIS glaive. she says, it will not help. So I think by this, after this draft, it was changed to the hourglass. Which, I think then, the whole, it can only be turned once. It's the lure of the web, the law of the web, uh, was added later.

Professor Krebs 11:17

Well, no, okay, well you

Connor Anderson 11:19

Do you see the, the law line?

Professor Krebs 11:21

well, let's see, maybe on 71, because in 72 she gives him the sand. She breaks the hourglass and pours the sand into his hands. Those are the

Connor Anderson 11:31

all about, uh,

Professor Krebs 11:32

With that line, dude, the way Francesca Ana says it, Those are the sands of my life. Like, the way she says it, oh,

Connor Anderson 11:39

good. This whole movie is so good. We've been talking for almost two hours.

Professor Krebs 11:44

We've been talking for an hour and a half.

Connor Anderson 11:47

Yeah, and

Professor Krebs 11:48

for an hour and a half,

Connor Anderson 11:49

Right. We've been talking for much, much longer than that. I cannot stop the sand. You cannot stop time.

Professor Krebs 11:55

Oh, so good. It's so

Connor Anderson 11:59

Yeah, so I think that is a line post this draft. So we don't have a third reference for whether or not it's law or lure or lore. I, I'm gonna stand, uh, put your thoughts down in the comments. If comments are a thing on podcasts

Professor Krebs 12:14

is on YouTube.

Connor Anderson 12:15

on YouTube. Hey, YouTube. Uh, like, and subscribe to this channel. And also, does she say law or lure? Or lore? Let us know. Let him know. He'll tell me what you write.

Professor Krebs 12:26

All right. So,

Connor Anderson 12:27

I think the McGuffin of Ynyr, using his Glaive to stop the spider was turned into the hourglass. Once the writers decided there was only one Glaive, is my assumption, based on that brief re-reading that

Professor Krebs 12:40

yeah, I'd have to read through the script, but my assumption is in in very much the the Campbell's process of the hero's journey, the idea that like the hero has an elder figure to look to for guidance. It's very much, you know, like a Conan style or, or if you, if you're like me and you like to watch crappy movies on the side, there's Ator, um,

Connor Anderson 13:04

Ator! Ha ha ha! I haven't thought about that. I haven't thought about that movie for a long time.

Professor Krebs 13:10

Ator is such an uncomfortable film to watch, um, the idea that, you know, you, you, you have these two swordsmen, one who is the pupil, one who is the master, and they are like, they're doing the forms together. I imagine in this script, if I read the whole thing, Ynyr is teaching Colwyn how to use the Glaive.

Connor Anderson 13:27

he even says in the film, like, I know the power. You taught it to me, or whatever.

Professor Krebs 13:31

Yeah, he does. He goes, I won't forget, you taught, you taught it to me.

Connor Anderson 13:34

also, while we're kind of on the topic, this is how I found Krull. Uh, I went on a rampage of just Bad 80s sword and sorcery films, right? It was whatever was on whatever streaming service I could find at the time It was just one after the other for like three weeks in a row Uh, years and years and years ago. And then, you know, I was just burning through the list, watched all the classics, and then I got, you know, they're all great, but also awful. And then I got Krull and I was like, okay, one more bad movie. Let's do this. I love these. And it just immediately was like, Oh, this is actually a very good movie. This is way better than. No offense, Beastmaster, this is way better than that,

Professor Krebs 14:16

is better

Connor Anderson 14:17

you know, it was just like, oh, this is, this is amazing. And then I watched it like four times over the next week. And then I just never went back. And now here we are, you know, that's, that's a different story for a different.

Professor Krebs 14:29

I need to get an interview with Mark Singer so I can ask him. So how did you feel when Krull was better than your movie, but did not perform better than you, do

Connor Anderson 14:39

worse than yours, but is better than yours? How do you feel about that?

Professor Krebs 14:44

you feel responsible? No,

Connor Anderson 14:45

Is this your fault?

Professor Krebs 14:48

I will never. Despite the fact that that's how you and I formed a friendship. I don't think that would work on Mark Singer.

Connor Anderson 14:56

Uh,

Professor Krebs 14:57

old do you think you were when you first saw Krull?

Connor Anderson 14:59

that was before we met. So I was uh, in college for sure. Early college, maybe first year of college. Uh, when I first saw Krull, and I had no idea it existed before, I just, it happened to come up on whatever streaming service I was watching, you know, and it was like, Oh, you like these movies? Maybe you'll like this. Okay, sure.

Professor Krebs 15:21

You were using a streaming platform to see it at the

Connor Anderson 15:23

That is correct. Uh, and it, I, I will, I'm still annoyed that Keegan gets one final last line about Merith in his death scene because when I watched it the first time, it was just quiet and you just heard him breathing and it just got quieter and then he stopped and it was so just heartbreaking. It was the best death scene in a movie I've ever seen. Like just watching Torquil stare at Colwyn as his buddy dies off screen is like, holy cow. That's a, that's a move and I get it. I tell Merith, I loved her. Uh, good for you. But it, it, I don't know. I'm not,

Professor Krebs 16:00

It's it's more entertaining in the book in the book, he's like, tell Merith I loved her, and tell Lona I loved her and tell, and then Torquil's like, I understand.

Connor Anderson 16:10

Yeah, I get it.

Professor Krebs 16:12

He's like, he's like, yeah, he stops, but he dies. Um, but I'm with, I'm with you because on another visit, on a subsequent visit to my house, we, we decided to sit down and we put the blu ray and do you remember what that experience was like?

Connor Anderson 16:26

It took us like five and a half hours to watch, uh, to watch Krull, frame by frame. Uh, we saw the, the scaffolding in the, in the swamp set, and that one shot of Rell as he's running with the, His spear after the Changeling, we noticed that great shot of Ynyr where he's not moving until the camera pans down far enough, and then he starts running. Uh, that was, that was a great time. That was a, an absolute blast. I loved, I loved that.

Professor Krebs 16:54

It was, it was one of my favorite watch-throughs and you're right, it took us like four or five hours. I think it was

Connor Anderson 17:00

easily twice the running time of the film.

Professor Krebs 17:03

Yeah. And, and, uh, and I remember we were watching, the death scene comes up and then Torquil like looks up and then you hear Liam Neeson say, tell Merith I loved her and then Torquil almost immediately on the heels of that line says lead on and then they move on. Right. Um, so,

Connor Anderson 17:21

yet. He was just talking.

Professor Krebs 17:23

Yeah, he was just talking. I'm not dead yet. Shut up. You're not playing

Connor Anderson 17:25

We're gonna leave him here, let's go.

Professor Krebs 17:27

Yeah, I, I think that scene and the comparison of the original 1983 return of the Jedi versus the remastered specialized blah, blah, blah, blah, blahs.

Connor Anderson 17:40

Yeah, yeah,

Professor Krebs 17:41

you compare the scene where Darth Vader makes the clear decision to save Luke's life in the original 19 and remember that came out same year before. Uh, Krull, it came out on May 25th of 1983 and Krull came out July 29th of 1983. And uh, I remember seeing both of those movies in that year in theaters. And I, I was only four and a half, but you have the scene where Vader goes to save Luke, which by the way, as a kid, whose hero is Luke Skywalker, that was traumatic. That was, that was. I was having some emotional reactions to that moment in time when he's being electrocuted because Mark Hamill does a phenomenal job in that

Connor Anderson 18:26

It's a great scene. Yeah,

Professor Krebs 18:28

Yeah, Mark Hamill's screams are some of the best. Anyway. Uh, and, and then Vader stands there and then he, you know, he looks and then he looks back at his son and then he looks at the Emperor and then he makes that decision to just get in there. He doesn't say anything. And then in the, in the Blu ray remastered versions, we, we hear the now late and great James Earl Jones say, no, and then he gets in there and he like tosses the Emperor. Uh, and I'm like, Are you stupid? How, how can, can you, George Lucas, who I revered for many, many years, how can you look at a beautiful scene in cinematic history and think, well, what we really need here is a little more dialogue.

Connor Anderson 19:18

we explained what was happening more out loud. Yeah,

Professor Krebs 19:22

say it. And it's like,

Connor Anderson 19:24

best dialogue is no dialogue.

Professor Krebs 19:26

that is a hundred percent correct. Um, the movie Up, where we see the lifetime of them together as a couple.

Connor Anderson 19:33

even start with that. I know. Uh, so,

Professor Krebs 19:37

Lyssa and Ynyr, by the way. The extra line for Keegan, in Krull's

Connor Anderson 19:41

Hello. Yeah.

Professor Krebs 19:44

extra line for Keegan was actually part of the UK cut. Uh, so when they released it, so, so they released it in the U. S. first in July on the 29th, which is Graham McGrath's birthday.

Connor Anderson 19:57

right.

Professor Krebs 19:59

And then, easy to remember, they released it on December 27th that same year in the UK, which

Connor Anderson 20:04

That's your birthday. Yeah.

Professor Krebs 20:06

Um, I will, I will now remember two birthdays anyway.

Connor Anderson 20:10

will too.

Professor Krebs 20:13

And, uh, and so when they released it in the UK, they had time to play with the edit. That is the only place in the film where they deviate.

Connor Anderson 20:22

Interesting. And I will not, I, I don't agree with it They're going to have to. Yeah. I mean, not that my opinion matters about this movie that came out 30 years ago, but like it's, they shouldn't have done that.

Professor Krebs 20:35

40, 41 years

Connor Anderson 20:37

You're right.

Professor Krebs 20:39

41 years

Connor Anderson 20:40

What kind of fan am I? I should just see myself out.

Professor Krebs 20:42

You're the second best fan. I'm number one. But anyway, the point is,

Connor Anderson 20:46

We'll see, Krebs. Are you in fact the number one fan?

Professor Krebs 20:50

I sure hope

Connor Anderson 20:51

in a minute.

Professor Krebs 20:52

we'll get to that. But I want to be the number one guy too. And that's when we like devolve into a Yu Gi Oh battle. But anyway,

Connor Anderson 21:01

play Glaive.

Professor Krebs 21:03

I played, ah, it's super effective. I played Beast's, viscous chest.

Connor Anderson 21:07

Oh no.

Professor Krebs 21:08

Oh, no. Oh, okay. So here's a question I want to ask you about that specifically.

Connor Anderson 21:13

The Beast's viscous chest.

Professor Krebs 21:15

Yes, actually. Uh, so, Colwyn's fighting the Beast. Colwyn's got the Glaive. Colwyn and the Glaive are, are vibing, they're, they're connected, they're doing the thing. Um, and then Colwyn sinks it, yes, yeah, you're going exactly in the right place. Colwyn sinks it, Beast, and then falls down,

Connor Anderson 21:34

Collapses, correct.

Professor Krebs 21:35

And then Colwyn reaches for the Glaive. And then we have some of this brilliant James Horner music, we have this moment,

Connor Anderson 21:41

What a score.

Professor Krebs 21:42

do you remember when you first watched it, how did you interpret that moment? Why, why didn't Colwyn get the Glaive back? What was going on in that

Connor Anderson 21:54

Hmm. I, in my brain, always imagined that whatever magic the Beast has that makes the Beast the Beast is more powerful than Colwyn's attempts to get the Glaive back. But I also think the Glaive, to a certain extent, as we've discussed, has its own purpose about it. It's got its own plan. Right? And so I don't think the Glaive wanted to be retrieved a little bit. You know, I think that it's staying there because it's, that's, it was done. Its purpose with Colwyn is finished. Now it's going to do whatever it's going to do next.

Professor Krebs 22:36

So when I was younger and I saw that scene, I always interpreted, and I, and I interpreted, interpreted it this way for years. Like, Over a couple decades, right? Um, I thought it was stuck.

Connor Anderson 22:50

Sure.

Professor Krebs 22:51

thought, to your point, like, the Beast's anatomy, its magic, its will, whatever the case may be, it held onto the Glaive to act as bait to get Colwyn close, you know, that sort of thing. And so Colwyn is striving, trying to get it to come back, and it's just stuck. And that music is very, especially when you're four and a half years old, that music was really evocative, right?

Connor Anderson 23:13

it's great now

Professor Krebs 23:14

It's phenomenal. And there's a sense of loss. And then he goes after his, his pet Glaive. And then, you know, then the Beast wakes up. But it wasn't until I read the book that they made it abundantly clear. The Glaive wasn't stuck. The Glaive resisted, like Colwyn called the Glaive and the Glaive was like, no. But Colwyn being in the book, they call it a prince of the mind. I'm glad they got away from that because there's already too many accusations that Krull was trying to be too much a Star Wars alike. And the idea that he had this mental willpower, you know, is kind of too

Connor Anderson 23:54

force to do things.

Professor Krebs 23:55

Yeah, I'm glad they got away from that in the film. But in the book, they talk about him being a prince of the mind. And so he has this certain level of like will. It also talks about how Lyssa has a complimentary quality to her that is very similar to Colwyn's but slightly different, right? And so that makes them a match, blah, blah, blah. But he's calling the Glaive back and he's using his will. And that's why there's a struggle because the Glaive is trying to resist, but the Glaive is also being forced to obey. And so there's this, there's this tug of war going on. And so when you watch that scene again with that in mind, and maybe this doesn't change your experience because your experience sounds like it was in line with what the intent was, but when I was younger, I thought it was stuck. And then I watched the scene again, and it's this, to your point, it is a wordless exchange between Colwyn and the Glaive. And when you realize the Glaive is fighting back, that look on Colwyn's face is not failure. That look on Colwyn's face is rejection. That's a little bit of heartbreak, right? Because they have like, they have like this bond, they have a bond that is psychoemotional. And it's, it's not just, well, I'm the manager and you're the employee, right? It's there, there's a, there's a symbiotic bond between them

Connor Anderson 25:15

Yeah. Yeah.

Professor Krebs 25:16

now. So let me ask you the next question then.

Connor Anderson 25:19

Yes.

Professor Krebs 25:20

Why did the Glaive resist?

Connor Anderson 25:22

It, uh, it, I was gonna make a joke about it had to go shopping, and it had to do something else. Uh, It I mean,

Professor Krebs 25:29

time. It's got to wash its

Connor Anderson 25:30

yeah, it needs its own, like, it needs some, you know,

Professor Krebs 25:33

covered in viscous beast chest. I think

Connor Anderson 25:35

it's had a really bad day, and it wants to just go home. Um,

Professor Krebs 25:39

my,

Connor Anderson 25:40

So, I mean, thinking about it from a logical, not a logical, from a thinking about it world, right? The Glaive came to Krull to deliver this message about, hey man, you got a Beast problem coming. I think at that point is the point where the Glaive knew, okay, Colwyn's got this, my mission is elsewhere now, I'm gonna wash my hands of this and just hang out and see what happens, is my assumption. Again, I don't know. For sure, but I think that would make the most sense in my brain. Like, if I had to write it, that would be why it's doing that thing. I think you and I are of a similar mind on that because my, my siblings and I as we were discussing this in the past, we kind of had this great anagnorisis

Professor Krebs 26:31

Of our own where it was like, Oh my gosh, the reason it's resisting is because, it helped Colwyn free Lyssa from the cage. It stymied the Beast. It knocked down the Beast. But what would have happened if Colwyn had retrieved the Glaive at that point? If Colwyn had retrieved the Glaive at that point, he would have kept using it. But then the the Glaive knowing there's some level of wisdom, some level of sentience, some level of understanding that it has that it determined that this was not the time to come back. In fact, actually, to your point, it had fulfilled its mission to the degree it needed to. But because the Glaive did not return and the Glaive also did not become a weapon of the Beast either. Right. But because the Glaive didn't return what happens next in the film

Connor Anderson 27:26

Uh, he uses fire out of his hands.

Professor Krebs 27:30

Yeah, before that though.

Connor Anderson 27:32

Oh, they run?

Professor Krebs 27:33

well, they run right. And then they, and then they get to the center of the fortress, or they get,

Connor Anderson 27:37

They get to the center of the fortress and they realize that, oh hey, oh they went away from the center. of the fortress. It is too powerful in the center of the fortress. Uh, they, they get married. They finish their wedding vows. And, and then they become the all powerful couple that rules the galaxy.

Professor Krebs 27:54

Yeah, they have this moment where, where Lyssa's like, it's not the Glaive, it's you. And then Colwyn goes, it's not me, it's us. And then they have this great epiphany of it will not return to me except by the hand of the woman that I choose as my bride, you know? And then, and this is where we get into a concept that my siblings and I we realized that in the end, Krull is really about the beauty of like the yin and the yang of natural forces, right? That earlier I was talking about how the Glaive needs to be wielded by a man. remember watching, I was watching this and then, uh, my sister's sister-in-law was there and they talk about like, uh, the Glaive can be a powerful weapon in the hands of the right man. And then she spoke up and she said, or woman. And then my sister and I both looked at her and we go, no. And it's because we'd already had this conversation, it's, the Glaive is not about equality in and of itself. The Glaive itself is about giving a power to the other half of this yin yang style force. The woman is already powerful enough because of other things that we've talked about in the past, right? But the man does not yet have his full power. And so this the Glaive is there is sort of like almost like training wheels to discover that fullness of power, right?

Connor Anderson 29:11

you need this to, yeah,

Professor Krebs 29:13

but then the Glaive is lost and that's where them together. The Glaive was really just holding Lyssa's place until Lyssa was available. Right? Because together is where they form their ultimate union to your point. They finish their vows. But also we've come up with this notion of like the bearer of the flame and the wielder of the flame. It's this yin yang power, right? And she can bear the flame, but for the reasons of the natural order, she cannot wield it. He can wield the flame, but for reasons of natural order, he can't bear it.

Connor Anderson 29:45

He doesn't have it. Yeah.

Professor Krebs 29:47

So they need each other. And together they become an unstoppable force. And so I think the Glaive understanding the nature of the planet, it had a long time to like understand the planet while it was sitting in a magma

Connor Anderson 29:59

the lava. Yeah.

Professor Krebs 30:00

It's sitting in the mountain in Italy, but anyway, so, uh, it, it understood in some way on some level that now in order for them to fulfill the prophecy, the Glaive needed to like step out of the picture.

Connor Anderson 30:15

Yes.

Professor Krebs 30:17

We're getting to the very end of this. I have just a couple more quick questions and then we'll get wrap up if you don't mind.

Connor Anderson 30:22

Go for it. And I've still got a good surprise for you. So

Professor Krebs 30:25

I know there's like a surprise that I've put off for two hours. Uh,

Connor Anderson 30:28

I think you're stalling.

Professor Krebs 30:30

I probably a little bit in three more minutes or so. It'll be the length of the film Krull anyway.

Connor Anderson 30:35

to hit that.

Professor Krebs 30:36

We got to hit that. Um, I see behind you a number of like little collectible items, a little bit of Krull memorabilia, which I think is phenomenal. I love seeing it. It makes me so very happy. That poster is a very, very special poster, by the way. The poster, in fact, Connor, if you'll slide to the side for those who can't see this poster features a planet bathed in red with twin suns coming over the horizon, and it has a really interesting description at the top. Uh, but this poster was the promotional poster it was printed in 82 leading up to the film's theatrical release in 83.

Connor Anderson 31:12

is correct. And this is an original.

Professor Krebs 31:14

And that is an original, that's

Connor Anderson 31:16

my favorite piece of Krull thing that I have. I like the Atari game. I like the comic books. I actually have two copies of this one right here, but this poster, I think is my favorite. Thing that I've got

Professor Krebs 31:28

That was exactly what I was going to ask, which is, what is your favorite piece of Krull memorabilia that you

Connor Anderson 31:33

as of right now until I make my replica Glaive, this is my favorite.

Professor Krebs 31:38

Where did you get that poster? It's a rare find.

Connor Anderson 31:41

it is, I remember looking on, I think I got it on eBay if I recall correctly, and I spent a little bit of time looking and just kind of like waiting for a good Krull poster. it was probably four or five years before I found one that I wanted, like an actual old one. It's been one of my prized possessions ever since. Um, I, I, love it.

Professor Krebs 32:02

It's a great

Connor Anderson 32:03

It's so cool. It's so cool. And I love that there's like almost nothing about the movie on there. Like we get the Glaive and the name, but this doesn't show up in the film. This is just a thing for the poster.

Professor Krebs 32:14

I mean, it's got twin suns.

Connor Anderson 32:15

yeah, but like that shot isn't in the movie.

Professor Krebs 32:17

No, it's not in

Connor Anderson 32:18

They just made that for this. And I think

Professor Krebs 32:20

They did.

Connor Anderson 32:21

great.

Professor Krebs 32:22

I'm glad they got, I don't know why it's red, but it, it's red.

Connor Anderson 32:26

Super cool.

Professor Krebs 32:27

In the movie, it's like the planet Endor. It's so green.

Connor Anderson 32:30

Again, what a great shot, right?

Professor Krebs 32:32

It's a phenomenal shot. It's one of the most underappreciated shots in all of

Connor Anderson 32:36

There are still a half dozen films. Again, this doesn't mean anything unless you know who I am personally, but like, I love movies and how they're made. I love being like, oh yeah, model shot, blue screen, yadda yadda yadda. There are shots in Krull that still kind of stump me, and I love that. That planet shot is one of them. It's probably a projection, but it's got 3D mountains, so it can't be that. Anyway, yeah. Yeah, I love the film.

Professor Krebs 33:02

It's I love it. I think it's fantastic. Uh, I guess the next, the next and final question would be, when are you coming back to Utah

Connor Anderson 33:10

Um, as soon as I can, as soon as I can, we're, uh, we got to

Professor Krebs 33:14

2025? Let's do

Connor Anderson 33:16

Yeah. I mean, we still got a few months in 2024. We can make something happen. I'm

Professor Krebs 33:19

can make those work.

Connor Anderson 33:20

it's only eight hours away.

Professor Krebs 33:22

You're invited.

Connor Anderson 33:23

Well, thank you. I accept your invite. Gladly.

Professor Krebs 33:26

Well, then before we put the cherry on top and wrap this show up, is there anything else you wanted to discuss?

Connor Anderson 33:30

sure is. All right, friends, those of you listening at home, uh, the professor here has no idea what's about to happen. I have in front of me, uh, the Krultimate notebook. So Krebs, we have a 10 question trivia quiz for you on the film Krull.

Professor Krebs 33:47

Oh no.

Connor Anderson 33:48

Uh, those of you at

Professor Krebs 33:49

Am I the number one fan?

Connor Anderson 33:51

your questions also and see how well you do. These range from easy. Too difficult, too very difficult. Now,

Professor Krebs 33:59

Oh, I'm so excited. I hope, I hope I get all 10 right. If I don't, does that like, does that like ruin my efficacy on the show?

Connor Anderson 34:07

my, my purpose of this is to show how far I have to go to stump you, to impress the audience, not to make you look bad on your own show. That's not the goal here. I expect you to get most of these correct.

Professor Krebs 34:19

that sounds okay. All right. All right.

Connor Anderson 34:20

Question one, this question is worth as many points as the glaive has.

Professor Krebs 34:28

Five

Connor Anderson 34:28

Correct. Question two, how many times does Ergo transform and into what?

Professor Krebs 34:38

He transforms into a goose. He transforms into a piglet. He transforms into a beagle. And he transforms into a tiger.

Connor Anderson 34:46

is correct. Four times. Goose, pig, puppy, tiger. Number three: How many locations is the Black Fortress seen in during the events of this film?

Professor Krebs 35:02

now that's gonna be tricky. So do you include the intro in the film?

Connor Anderson 35:06

I do. I do include the

Professor Krebs 35:07

Is that considered, is

Connor Anderson 35:09

Space is

Professor Krebs 35:09

one? That's one. Okay. And then, uh, the Slayer's exiting the Fortress, which is actually just a reverse shot.

Connor Anderson 35:18

Which is technically the valley it lands in. I'll give you

Professor Krebs 35:22

Yeah, the Valley it lands in. That's the landing. That's the, yeah. And, uh, then we see, uh, when they retrieve Lyssa, it's actually the forward shot that they used for the reverse shot previously.

Connor Anderson 35:35

hmm. Still in the valley it lands in, like physical locations

Professor Krebs 35:39

just talking like locations. Okay, cool. So, then it transports to the Tundra. And then it transports to the Iron Desert, and then it transports to the Meadow.

Connor Anderson 35:50

valley. That is correct. Fantastic. Well, so far, three correct. Uh, number four, question four. How far can fire mares travel in a single day?

Professor Krebs 36:03

A thousand leagues.

Connor Anderson 36:04

leagues, which is, I think, like, 145 miles an hour, if I, if my vague math is

Professor Krebs 36:09

Oh, I haven't even, I haven't even done the math! If you'd asked me that, I would have died.

Connor Anderson 36:14

Okay,

Professor Krebs 36:14

be like, hang on!

Connor Anderson 36:16

question five.

Professor Krebs 36:17

Question five, I'm only halfway, oh my gosh.

Connor Anderson 36:19

What crest is on the door? Of the wedding ceremony room.

Professor Krebs 36:26

of, uh, Eirigs, it's like this bear-boar

Connor Anderson 36:31

Yes. Fantastic. Well done.

Professor Krebs 36:35

Thank you.

Connor Anderson 36:35

Uh, this is a three part question. All for blank. Part one. Blank. It was given me to know.

Professor Krebs 36:45

This.

Connor Anderson 36:46

Yes. Part two. I don't think I like your blank, old man.

Professor Krebs 36:52

Relatives.

Connor Anderson 36:53

Yes.

Professor Krebs 36:55

Which is one of the best under appreciated lines in the

Connor Anderson 36:58

love that line. I almost brought it up earlier, but I didn't want to ruin the trivia

Professor Krebs 37:01

ha Ha ha ha Death and power are close cousins.

Connor Anderson 37:06

I don't think I like your relatives, old man. Question three. Part three. Blank.

Professor Krebs 37:18

Okay. It could be a few things. One of them is, Lyssa!

Connor Anderson 37:23

That's, good.

Professor Krebs 37:24

That's one. Lyssa! Uh, let's see. Blank.

Connor Anderson 37:28

This one we have talked about today.

Professor Krebs 37:29

Let's see. Uh. Ignorance.

Connor Anderson 37:34

Uh, that's also good, but the answer I was looking for was

Professor Krebs 37:38

you give me a clue? Can you give me a clue?

Connor Anderson 37:40

Keegan.

Professor Krebs 37:42

Hello.

Connor Anderson 37:43

you go. Correct I'll accept all three answers though.

Professor Krebs 37:48

They're great. They're great. Great one word one liners.

Connor Anderson 37:50

Hello? Um, okay, question seven. How many men. Did King Turold lose traveling to King Eirig's castle?

Professor Krebs 38:01

We lost 300.

Connor Anderson 38:04

Phenomenal. Uh, okay. Question eight. You're doing fantastically so far. What dispute caused Ergo's hasty departure before arriving in a forest near the Granite Mountains a thousand miles off course?

Professor Krebs 38:18

Uh, there seemed to be a dispute about a gooseberry pie that a man left sitting on the windowsill.

Connor Anderson 38:25

Yeah, What did he expect?

Professor Krebs 38:27

expect?

Connor Anderson 38:27

he expected to eat it. Uh, Also, interesting they measure both miles and leagues in this world.

Professor Krebs 38:35

Yes, yes. Well, and so do we, right? With miles, nautical miles, kilometers, leagues,

Connor Anderson 38:40

that is correct. Uh, question nine, what color eyes does the beast have?

Professor Krebs 38:48

They are red with vertical black slit pupils.

Connor Anderson 38:52

That is correct. All right, final question. It's a two parter.

Professor Krebs 38:57

Oh no.

Connor Anderson 39:00

So, there's a

Professor Krebs 39:01

The Beast was played by a woman!

Connor Anderson 39:03

You're right! Uh, Not the question, but you're right. Okay.

Professor Krebs 39:06

yes.

Connor Anderson 39:07

So, the first part is A character is referenced by Titch. Uh, his name is blank. He visits the seer sometimes. He doesn't speak much.

Professor Krebs 39:17

This is Rell.

Connor Anderson 39:18

This is Rell. Part 2! During the events of the film, how many words does Rell say?

Professor Krebs 39:26

What? Okay. Let's see. Let's see what we can

Connor Anderson 39:31

do. How many words does Rell say

Professor Krebs 39:34

words?

Connor Anderson 39:34

the film Krull? How many

Professor Krebs 39:36

Hang on a

Connor Anderson 39:36

words? We're not counting grunts or screams, and"firemares" counts as one word, not two.

Professor Krebs 39:44

Yes. Okay."Firemares" counts as one word, not

Connor Anderson 39:47

not two, yeah.

Professor Krebs 39:48

Aren't they, isn't it technically one, or two words? No. Okay.

Connor Anderson 39:51

as a name of"firemares", it's one word.

Professor Krebs 39:54

Okay. We're gonna stick with that. We're

Connor Anderson 39:55

I've got the, I wrote down every line he speaks in the film on this piece of paper. So,

Professor Krebs 40:00

So he was,

Connor Anderson 40:01

got the count.

Professor Krebs 40:02

Ergo walks up, and he goes, My name is Ergo the Magnificent.

Connor Anderson 40:08

That's the first line he says in the film. That's two words. You're right. Uh,

Professor Krebs 40:14

jest with those who already are his friends. Is that twelve now? Is that what we're saying? I lost count!

Connor Anderson 40:23

correct you as you go?

Professor Krebs 40:25

Keep track of it. Keep track of it.

Connor Anderson 40:27

Okay.

Professor Krebs 40:28

Or merely jest with those, let's see, Or merely jest with those who already are his friends. Yeah, well, those already are his friends. No, ah, okay. Anyway, anyway.

Connor Anderson 40:45

So far, you, I'm astonished that you got both of these lines so accurately.

Professor Krebs 40:50

Okay, so you'll correct me in the end. Um, Oh, it's all very fine. I'm being Polina. Your actions give you weight, my friend. I saw you save the boy from the spear. Um,

Connor Anderson 41:06

the most amazing thing I've ever seen. Alright, alright.

Professor Krebs 41:09

And then Ergo, well, that's what friends do for one another. Indeed. Uh,

Connor Anderson 41:15

Okay.

Professor Krebs 41:17

and then Colwyn says, you've been following us for some time since the beginning. That's three more. Um, I, I hope you're keeping a tally

Connor Anderson 41:26

I am, I'm writing down everything that

Professor Krebs 41:28

All right. Since the beginning. Um, and then, and then Colwyn says, well, then join us. All men need company. And he says, yes. All men. Uh, and then we move on from there. This is where it's going to get harder. Oh my gosh, I've got to know all of Rell's lines. Okay, alright, alright, alright, alright, alright. So, so then, um, so then they are proceeding through, they don't know the Changeling has already taken shape, and and then we get to the point where Rell says ignorance. But no, no, no, no, that hasn't happened yet. That hasn't happened yet. Because he's carrying Titch on his shoulders. But this is after Titch's loss, if I remember correctly, because he's talking about the pup. No, maybe it is. They're talking about wishes, Rell, the Changeling, da da da, da da da da da. Um, and then Okay, there's a point at which Rell says, um, I will stay back. What does he say? I will stay. He says I will stay. And then they proceed forward. And then he sees the, the Seer's body, and then he chases Da da da da da da da da Shhhhhhh! And then And then, um, And then Ynyr says, How did you know? And Rell with downcast eye, because you know that he had a friendship with the Emerald Seer, he goes, Um, I found the Seer's body in the quicksand. Oh, oh, I missed a line. I missed a line where Rell says, Uh, when I heard that the Old One had come down from the mountains, I knew the time had come.

Connor Anderson 43:22

Yes.

Professor Krebs 43:23

I missed that

Connor Anderson 43:23

I'll count it. now though, because you still got it.

Professor Krebs 43:26

Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay, then they're walking through and they're talking about wishes and then he says ignorance and then And and then And and and let me think about this for a second after he says ignorance. We don't hear Rell again for some time

Connor Anderson 43:47

Chronologically, since you've already said all these

Professor Krebs 43:48

lines Oh, you're right. You're

Connor Anderson 43:50

ignorance, and then I will stay, and then I found the seer's body in the quicksand, and then you're right, there's a big gap of.

Professor Krebs 43:56

There's a big gap after. Okay. All right. All right. So now we got those in the right order. We got those in the right order. Thank you for that little

Connor Anderson 44:02

I am just, first of all, I kind of designed this with the intention of stumping you, and you've already blown through most of them correctly.

Professor Krebs 44:11

And so then, then Ynyr comes back, um, and dies. And then he goes, now we have no way to fight. Uh, how are we going to do this? Uh, you know, how are we going to reach the Iron Desert? It's a thousand leagues away. Firemares. Firemares can travel a thousand leagues in a day. And, uh, and, and then, uh, and then we get to the point where they're trying to capture the fire mares in the valley. And the, the next line that I remember Rell saying is, the gray one is their leader. And,

Connor Anderson 44:46

Yeah.

Professor Krebs 44:47

and then they like wrestle it down and Colwyn says, gentle as a baby. And, uh, That's Colwyn's line. And then, and then they're like saddling up and he's like, And then, and then Colwyn, uh, invites him and then Rell says, I must stay here. And Colwyn goes, is it time? And, um, I don't think, I'm trying to remember if Rell even says anything. Uh, he, he says, he basically tells him, Yeah, I'm thinking about what Rell says. Sorry, sorry, I'm working through it. Hang

Connor Anderson 45:25

It's okay. You're watching the movie in your head. I can see

Professor Krebs 45:28

I really am. I really am. And then he, yeah, he goes, I must, I must remain here. That's what he says, I must remain here. uh, and then Colwyn says, when he realizes what the truth is, Colwyn says, Stay here, Rell, you've done enough. And then Ergo walks up and he goes, Rell, I'll ride with you! And, uh, he looks at him and he goes, I must remain here, my friend. And then Ergo looks at him and says, we had no time, which is exactly what you and I say at the end of every one of our visits.

Connor Anderson 46:02

That's correct.

Professor Krebs 46:06

then we don't hear from Rell again, until he arrives at the Black Fortress, is climbing the mountain, not including grunts and being shot, but he holds the door and he goes, yeah, yeah. He grabs the door, and people start passing in underneath him. I'm trying to remember if he says the word hurry or not. But before he dies, he says, Wait! And then he ends up getting crushed, gurgle, gurgle. And that is the end of Rell.

Connor Anderson 46:36

You only missed, like, four lines.

Professor Krebs 46:38

I missed four lines?!

Connor Anderson 46:40

We're, like, like, okay, so, to be fair, uh, you said, or merely jest with those who already are his friends. The technical line is, or jest with those who already are his friends. So you

Professor Krebs 46:52

okay, so Merely's not there.

Connor Anderson 46:54

Uh, the next one you got sideways, instead of indeed, he says, quite so.

Professor Krebs 46:59

Quite

Connor Anderson 47:00

Uh, since the beginning, when I learned that the Old One had come down, I knew it was the time, the time had come, yadda yadda yadda. You got everything else perfect. Uh, he does hand Titch to Keegan and say, take good care of him.

Professor Krebs 47:15

That's right! And that's where Keegan goes, Isn't he coming with

Connor Anderson 47:18

Yes, correct. And Titch says, no, yep. And then, uh, the next thing he says is the, when he talks to Colwyn, he grabs the horse and says, whoa, steady, I must remain here. And then, each to his fate.

Professor Krebs 47:33

He

Connor Anderson 47:33

the one line that you

Professor Krebs 47:35

to his fate. And that's such a good line. It's one of my favorite lines in the movie. Ynyr says it, Torquil says it to reinforce Ynyr. Colwyn says it to Rell and Rell says it to Colwyn.

Connor Anderson 47:47

And then while Rell dies, his last two lines are, it's no use, it's my time.

Professor Krebs 47:55

Oh, he does say it's no use. I didn't, but it's my time. I don't think I ever caught. It's no use

Connor Anderson 48:01

he squeezes it out right at the end there, uh, for a total of 109 words.

Professor Krebs 48:08

Wow.

Connor Anderson 48:09

And you got a hundred and. Four of them correct, which

Professor Krebs 48:12

I got like, I got like 98. Okay. Okay.

Connor Anderson 48:17

I'll give you one last bonus question which might be kind of a

Professor Krebs 48:22

I like this game. I should have you on the show more often.

Connor Anderson 48:24

I'll think of more questions for next time. Uh bonus question. How many named characters aren't human.

Professor Krebs 48:36

Do we consider the Beast the name?

Connor Anderson 48:40

Yeah. I would consider, in the context of this, the Beast is the character's name.

Professor Krebs 48:44

What constitutes as a named character? Do they have to Oh, they do say the name. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Like I was going to ask, what if the character has a name, but they don't say it in the film?

Connor Anderson 48:52

It would be a named character, if the character is named, how many named characters aren't human?

Professor Krebs 49:00

The Crystal Spider is a named character. Rell the Cyclops.

Connor Anderson 49:04

Okay.

Professor Krebs 49:06

The Beast. Uh, do we want to say the Slayers just collectively,

Connor Anderson 49:13

Uh, I,

Professor Krebs 49:14

do we care about the

Connor Anderson 49:15

Yeah, I consider them more of like background army characters. I feel like named characters have like dialogue and an

Professor Krebs 49:21

Oh. Oh, okay. Okay. And, and I'm gonna consider the Changeling the same as the Slayers in that it, it is a Changeling, but it's not like a specific

Connor Anderson 49:28

Sure. Yeah, not Ted the Changeling.

Professor Krebs 49:31

But Vella, the Changeling.

Connor Anderson 49:33

Yes.

Professor Krebs 49:34

Is not human,

Connor Anderson 49:35

Correct.

Professor Krebs 49:36

at least not anymore. Um, let me think through this for a second. I think those are the obvious ones. The Glaive is named and is, I would consider a character and not human.

Connor Anderson 49:49

Sure.

Professor Krebs 49:49

Do you consider the Planet Krull a named character

Connor Anderson 49:52

I, I don't, I think it's a place, not a character.

Professor Krebs 49:54

Okay, we'll go with that. Uh, I'm running through it, running through it. You obviously have something in mind I haven't hit yet.

Connor Anderson 50:02

I do. I have an answer that I'm looking for that you haven't gotten, but you might not get it because it's kind of a

Professor Krebs 50:08

Ooh, ooh, ooh. Uh, now I have to get it, right? Um, look, okay, so Ynyr and the Widow we consider humans. Because they're citizens of Krull, uh natively, and they're humanoid, right? They're, okay, so let me think about this for a second. Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. Named characters, not human. We don't hear a name for the horse. So I'm not going to count that, um, and I don't remember them naming their weapons, but wait,

Connor Anderson 50:48

Okay, I'll wait.

Professor Krebs 50:49

I, I might be, I might be out of answers, actually.

Connor Anderson 50:53

Well, the answer I was looking for is all of them. This is Krull, not Earth. They're all aliens. None of them are human. Nobody in the movie's a human.

Professor Krebs 51:02

I should have gone with that. I even, as I was describing, I was like, well, they, they're humanoid.

Connor Anderson 51:09

they're not humans.

Professor Krebs 51:10

They're not humans. You're right.

Connor Anderson 51:12

looking for. Uh, You aced every single one of those, I'm going to say. So next time, I'm going to have to make them a whole lot harder.

Professor Krebs 51:20

I am so excited. Next time I'll have to come up with a quiz for

Connor Anderson 51:23

Yeah, please do. Uh, again, my goal was to show how far I have to go to stump you, and I didn't stump you. So I'm going to have to double the efforts for the next round of trivia. Krull trivia.

Professor Krebs 51:36

Connor Anderson, Sir Connor Anderson, unofficial title. Um, it has been a pleasure as it always is to spend time with you. Uh, I don't know how long these, this episode slash episodes is going to be. Um, but we have been recording for almost two and a half hours. And that should tell you

Connor Anderson 51:52

You have a lot of editing ahead of you. I look forward to listening to this in five to eight months.

Professor Krebs 51:57

It's so much editing. There's so much to do. But Connor, it has been an absolute blast and a pleasure having you on the show. Thank you so very much for being here. And you will be on the show again in

Connor Anderson 52:08

I, I hope so. I will always make time to talk to you about anything, but especially Krull. A half hours, but still, we had no time.

Professor Krebs 52:18

We have no time, uh, I will have you know that the only reason this show exists is because you and I went out to sushi one time and it changed everything.

Connor Anderson 52:29

is responsible for a lot of good things in this world, and I'm glad this is. one of them.

Professor Krebs 52:35

And with that, my friends, thank you very much for listening to this show and we will hang out with you again next time.

Connor Anderson 52:41

You heard him! We're now an army!

52:46

Thank you so very much for listening to this episode of the Krulltimate Podcast. Now, I would like to hear from you. If you have any questions, curiosities, or comments that you would like to make about this or other episodes, you can send them to thekrulltimatefandom@gmail.com. Until next time I have been your host professor Krebs, and this is the Krulltimate Podcast.