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In this debut episode Carolyn Kilgore MSN, APRN, FNP-C discusses her favorite topic; All things Texas. She also details her new journey in the intriguing world of Functional/Integrative Medicine. Doc details his testimony of going from being a funky music DJ, to the world of law enforcement and back. In the EVERYDAY PEOPLE segment we meet retired HPD Drug/Gang Enforcement Officer Clay Cambell and his journey from law enforcement to his current contributions to life saving technology being deployed on LEO front lines across the nation.
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SPEAKER_01Episode 131 of the Doc and Carolyn Podcast.
SPEAKER_04Welcome back.
SPEAKER_01And I got I got you know what? I got a voice for radio, a face for radio too. What's going on, girl?
SPEAKER_04You definitely have a voice.
SPEAKER_01Well, nice, nice of you to say that I don't have a face for radio.
SPEAKER_04No, I don't have a voice for radio at all. Why do you say that?
SPEAKER_01You sound you sound wonderful to me.
SPEAKER_04No, because you when you speak, you're so concise and clear and it doesn't matter.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. It really doesn't. That's uh that's common. Probably first time I heard my voice, I thought the same way.
SPEAKER_04Oh, I used to really hate it.
SPEAKER_01But there are some but there are some people that don't have these classic broadcast voice, and they're just great entertainers. There when I worked in uh Chicago at uh WBMX, my competition was Doug Banks. Uh rest his soul, he's uh he's departed now, but he was the DJ at WGCI in Chicago, and he was you know ended up going to syndication, just a very, very successful broadcaster. But his voice was not a classical broadcast voice. I don't think Tom Joyner. Do you know who Tom Joyner is?
SPEAKER_05I do.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so he's uh he's a famous syndicated guy, started out, you know, doing local radio and ended up in syndication. He I don't think he had a classical kind of you know, classically trained uh radio uh presentation, but he's extremely successful.
SPEAKER_04So what you're saying is Don't worry about extremely entertaining.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, just say that. Welcome to the show, everybody. We've been it's it's been a busy week. Carolyn did 12 today in the uh in the urgent, and I have to ask you, uh I saw where what? What was that? Why'd you put your see she puts her hand up and stops me from talking? Could have just done that. I would have.
SPEAKER_04I know, but I want you to be able to I want you to be able to do that.
SPEAKER_01You want to leave the show and come back and regroup? You're bumping the mic. Getting up to what all this is.
SPEAKER_04It's been one of those days.
SPEAKER_01I know, honey. Just okay. But I was going to say that I noticed that Houston was on the list. I guess there are five airports in the nation where people that are leaving countries that are impacted by Ebola, and there are checkpoints, certain entry points into the U.S., and Houston is one. And I was thinking about that and thinking about how COVID, during COVID, you are absolutely on the front lines of violence virology. Virology, yeah. And uh you just went to work every day. You didn't make me nervous, you never gave me any reason to feel that being on the front lines was dangerous. And now, you know, you're you're in that urgent care. Anything that comes through that door, you gotta take care of business, just like in the ER, just like, you know, first responders in all kinds of disciplines. Yes. Have you thought about the fact that Houston being uh now an entry point for people returning from Africa from some of those uh regions that are impacted by Ebola? Do you think about that? That uh an Ebola patient could potentially walk through your door?
SPEAKER_04I do not, but I will say if someone with Ebola flies into the United States, you can bet they will go to an urgent care.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, okay. So and that's the reality, really.
SPEAKER_04We get people who come in who say, I think I'm having a heart attack, I think I'm having a stroke, I think, you know, I sawed my leg with my chainsaw.
SPEAKER_01And you deal with all that. When you tell me that you, and and I've said this before, when you suture, when you say, Oh yeah, I had to put you know 18 stitches in somebody's head, I'm like, What? You do that, you do that?
SPEAKER_04You usually do staples if it's in the head, but um but yeah, I mean we do sutures.
SPEAKER_01So if so so let me ask you this for for Ebola, and it and it sounds horrible. I don't even know what it is. First of all, it's a virus. It's a virus. Okay, so what is what is the Ebola virus? Why does it keep seems like every few years it kind of emerges and it's in the news and then it goes away. So well first of all, what is it? What kind of virus is it?
SPEAKER_04So because I didn't know anything about it because I've never had to treat it, I had to look it up.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_04I ask AI. And it says it's caused by the Ebola virus, which spreads through direct contact with bodily fluids of someone who is infected and showing symptoms. Things like blood, vomit, diarrhea, sweat, saliva, semen, or other fluids. So it's not spread through the air.
SPEAKER_01It's not an airborne virus.
SPEAKER_04Correct. So it's not gonna spread like the flu.
SPEAKER_01Um But it but if you gonna but if you're gonna be nookieing with people, you're gonna be getting uh Ebola.
SPEAKER_04You might get Ebola. Um it can call here the some of the symptoms are just like every other virus, fever, weakness, body aches, vomiting, diarrhea.
SPEAKER_01So why is it why why is it made to be such a is the mortality rate crazy?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, it it didn't give me a statistic, but it says it the reason people are afraid of it is because it can be deadly. It can spread in places where people are caring for the sick without proper protocols.
SPEAKER_01And so how do you treat it? I mean, is it like a antibiotics?
SPEAKER_04Well, apparently there's vaccines for it now. It says there are also better treatments and vaccines now than in the past. I had no idea there was a vaccine. I'm assuming this is correct.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. But you haven't you haven't had any come through the doors of the clinic today.
SPEAKER_04There are zero cases in the United States.
SPEAKER_01Okay, that's awesome to know. Crypto's in the news. Also, the uh let me check the I'll just check the price on my watch. Oh current price is $73,821 per token.
SPEAKER_04That's all we need to hear about that.
SPEAKER_01You don't want to talk about that anymore? Don't want to talk about it today. We'll revisit next week.
SPEAKER_04I'm Carolyn Kilgore, founder and provider at TrueHealing Healthcare.net.
SPEAKER_01Why functional medicine?
SPEAKER_04Because you're more than just a list of symptoms. Traditional care often masks the problem, but functional medicine digs deeper to find the root cause.
SPEAKER_01What makes true healing health care different?
SPEAKER_04We move away from the one size fits all approach. We look at your environment and your lifestyle to create a roadmap tailored specifically for you.
SPEAKER_01What if someone really wants to make a change?
SPEAKER_04If you're tired of feeling fine and want to start feeling great, it's about proactive wellness, not just reactive treatment.
SPEAKER_01What's the deal with telemedicine?
SPEAKER_04As long as you're 18 and have an internet connection, you can have a visit in the privacy of your own home or anywhere else in Texas. We're able to order labs or prescribe or whatever else you need.
SPEAKER_01True Healing Healthcare.net for the great state of Texas. LA is a is a very interesting place. We've been there, do we we've been there together three times, I think.
SPEAKER_04I think. How many times have we been to see Michael?
SPEAKER_01We went there for the wedding rehearsal and then for the wedding, and then we were there before that for uh another purpose. I don't remember while we were out in LA. But you seen here's something that's odd, and people would be surprised.
SPEAKER_04Um, we went there for meet the parents too.
SPEAKER_01I thought that was the rehearsal. I thought that was the same.
SPEAKER_04No.
SPEAKER_01Oh, okay, right. So we've been there four times. Yeah. So people would be surprised to know that you you seem very comfortable in LA. I I I don't know why I get that feeling. I we've been, I mean, when we go to Chicago, you're not real relaxed, you know, not real chill in the city. No. In Cincinnati, you were never, never really comfortable downtown.
SPEAKER_04No.
SPEAKER_01LA, you just seem to, you seem to be relaxed. And the reason I say that is we were out there and we were staying in a hotel in Culver City. Culver City is almost like a little independent city inside of Los Angeles County, I think.
SPEAKER_04Right.
SPEAKER_01But it's right in the it's right in in like downtown Los Angeles, but it's it's but it's a separate town.
SPEAKER_04But it's not downtown Los Angeles, right?
SPEAKER_01No, it isn't downtown, but I'm saying it's it's in the city. It's not like it's on the like in Malibu or way outside of of the city. It's a city. Culver is a and it's right there by Universal Studios and Hollywood and all that.
SPEAKER_04That's a cute little community, and I felt safe there.
SPEAKER_01You did feel safe.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Huh.
SPEAKER_04I mean, when we were walking to go to where did it be?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, well, but that's what I'm getting to is you we were going to Trader Joe's for something. And there was a Trader Joe's, we looked it up and it was about four blocks away, and you were just like, Well, we could just hike it. We could just get out here and start walking. And I was a little surprised by that because you're not comfortable in in cities typically like that.
SPEAKER_04I will say when we got to the point to where the sidewalk started smelling like pea.
SPEAKER_01Well, that was everywhere.
SPEAKER_04I started thinking maybe that wasn't a good idea.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that that was weird because Culver City again is not downtown LA and especially as bad as the homeless homelessness problem is in Southern California as it is in Gewiz in Southern California, uh, there wasn't a lot of homeless, uh obvious homelessness.
SPEAKER_04Right. I didn't see. I mean, we saw a couple of people maybe, but I mean, not like Skid Row or anything.
SPEAKER_01And you were comfortable going to in fact, when we went to Venice Beach, uh our kiddos kind of warned us against it and said, You're gonna you're gonna see some some odd some strange people if you go to Venice. And we went down, we went down to Venice and had lunch. We walked along the beach and uh I mean I don't I've known strange people. Why are you looking at me like that? I just mean considering who I live with, I felt right at home.
SPEAKER_04I think it's funny that uh they were so concerned because you know, I haven't always been this person that I am, but they don't know that.
SPEAKER_01What does that mean? What does that even mean? It means when I was younger Yeah, oh you would get wild and be in the middle of some bunch of strange activities. Okay. Yeah, but we've but we've been all over um, you know, Southern California. We went to Santa Monica, we went to Hollywood, we went to the Death Museum in Hollywood, California. We gotta tell that another that that's a great story. I think it's I think it's terribly interesting. We went to um shoot, we went to the comedy store on Sunset in the middle of Hollywood, the famous comedy store uh in the middle of Hollywood.
SPEAKER_04We went to the um both of the did you say the studios?
SPEAKER_01Oh no, I didn't. But Paramount and Warner Brothers Studios.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, which one was the one with the gazebo?
SPEAKER_01Uh Paramount. I no, that was Warner Brothers. That was Warner Brothers, yeah.
SPEAKER_04That was my favorite.
SPEAKER_01But Gilmore Girls. Yeah. Gilmore Gores Girls um uh gazebo. But the reason uh we're talking about LA is because our kids are out there, so we have more than a passing interest in what happens in Los Angeles.
SPEAKER_04Uh during More importantly, we're gonna have a grandbaby out there.
SPEAKER_01Right, the grandbaby's on the way. So we pay attention to the politics of LA and more so than than residents of LA uh we find a lot of the times. And during the uh during the California fires, during the Palisades fires, uh I was talking to uh my daughter-in-law and talking to my son out there, talking to our son out there, and they could see, and in fact, Cam uh she could see the fire from her office. And uh she told us, yeah, you could, you could, you know, it wasn't in her immediate area, but you could certainly see the smoke and see, you know, that part of Palisades, California. Uh oh, yeah, it was terrible. And Michael, you know, uh obviously was um uh right in that in that region where he was impacted by tra at least by traffic and that kind of thing. But Spencer Pratt is a reality TV star formerly.
SPEAKER_04That's what I've heard.
SPEAKER_01And now he's running for mayor of LA. And it's it's remarkable. He's he's kind of not partisan. He's running, I think he's running as a Republican, but but the story is he is doing extremely well.
SPEAKER_04Well, he's running, he said the reason he was Republican was because he wanted to be able to protect his family, so he wanted to support the Second Amendment.
SPEAKER_01Ah, okay, because yeah, Republicans generally are Second Amendment.
SPEAKER_04Right. That's when he first became Republican.
SPEAKER_01Okay. Well, let me let me play this clip for you. This is this is when Spencer Pratt first got on my radar. He's talking about the homeless industrial complex. Check this out.
SPEAKER_00One of the criticisms has been that there they say that there aren't enough beds to take people to for mental health treatment. There aren't enough beds to take people that are homeless just for shelter. Are you building more beds?
SPEAKER_05These are the biggest liars on planet Earth. So anything they're saying, they will also tell you that, oh, we we have $400 million and we treated 1,400 people. They don't know where these people are, they don't know the people to leave. These beds that they say they buy, they don't even care if we pay $800,000 a bed. There's no expectations of these NGO providers to put somebody in it. There's no accounting. The own audits of Shangri-La and WineGuard, all these, they're all failing their office. They have their all their money's getting puffed. It's just a free-for-all. These are criminals. These are a cartel just taking all of our tax money to literally increase the problem. They make money off these people. Just today, there was a study, the RAN Corp, uh City Watch put it out. 60% of the people right now in LA that are on the streets are not from Los Angeles. You want to know why? Because scam rehabs, scam NGOs, scam medicine, all they're bringing these people here to make money off them, and they throw them on the street when the money runs out and they get a new one. So, again, as mayor, I'm stopping this scam. There will be plenty of beds and treatment, and I'm gonna launch it on my side. I have an amazing video coming out to show my campus with facilities and treatment where actual money will be used to get people sober, give them the chance to come back to the street where there will be actual accountability, there will be transparency, you'll know where every single dollar is, and it's gonna be millions, billions of dollars cheaper than increasing the problems.
SPEAKER_01Spencer Pratt. So this guy is he sounds legit.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, he sounds like he has common sense.
SPEAKER_01And the problems that are in LA, we talked about this. If you scale them up to the states, this whole uh desire to to to benefit and to profit off of the homeless industrial complex, right, is you can scale it up and see what's happening with the open borders. I I think you know, we live in a border state, so this is a major issue, and we've been talking about it, and then writing those big checks and st and tax time, it's it's just infuriating.
SPEAKER_04It's very infuriating and sad that there are people who will use human beings, especially homeless people, just to make money.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, man. And everybody's getting paid, I mean, to the tune of billions and billions of dollars. So when we come back, if you if you don't know Spencer Pratt, if you're not um up to speed on what's happening in LA politics. In fact, today I just heard that Karen Bass, and Karen Bass is the current mayor of LA, and she's implicated pretty heavily in the LA fire and the and the uh devastation. Yeah, 12 people passed, right? Uh died in that fire.
SPEAKER_04She needs to be held accountable for that.
SPEAKER_01The resources were obviously mismanaged. So um CNN interviewed Spencer Pratt and just really um uh broke it down. Now, the the real question is are people in LA uh who who have voted liberal and voted for progressive causes their whole uh political life? I mean, are they going to get behind this guy?
SPEAKER_04Well, let's hope they can just muster up a little bit of common sense for once.
SPEAKER_01You keep saying that word, common sense.
SPEAKER_04And I want to say I pray he wins, and I pray he does what he says he's going to, and I pray he just fixes LA so all of these Californians can go home.
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SPEAKER_01So the LA mayor's race is one of the hottest things in the news. The incumbent Karen Bass is under fire. Her polling has collapsed. It went down like 10 points. And the upstart Spencer Pratt, former reality star, but a man whose home, will you hear his story? He's being interviewed here by CNN.
SPEAKER_00Spencer, welcome to The Story Is and congrats on the run. Amazing. Thank you for having me. Talk to us about the most basic question: why are you doing this? Why are you running?
SPEAKER_05That is a very simple answer. We can go back to when my house burned down and my parents' house burned out and my whole neighborhood burned down, and I started investigating how this happened. And I find out the level of negligence on our city officials, our state. And when I started exposing it with whistleblowers, and then even the LA Times exposed this. And these same city officials just lied and lied, and nothing was gonna happen. And then in two weeks from now, on June 2nd, Mayor Bass would have got automatically re-elected. And so I had to just get in the race in the sense to just counter these like, hello, people, this person should be in jails. 12 people burned alive. And you cannot just move on and act like, oh, I was in Ghana, oopsie daisies. Like, no, you should have resigned. You should have admitted to your failures, and you didn't. And so I just had to for my community. And then once I got in the game and saw that, oh, our whole city is on fire. Literally. I mean, it's it's crazy.
SPEAKER_00You know, so that's why I mean when you say Karen Bass burned down my house, you don't mean she actually threw a mat, but you're talking about that that this fire, you in your view was preventable.
SPEAKER_05Not in my view. And now multiple judges have thrown out the appeals by the city's $2,000 an hour Munger and Tolls lawyers that keep in mind, we have 500 city attorneys on salary with our taxpayers. Now we're paying, you know, the people that sue Apple and stuff. We have them saying, oh no, we have no responsibility. And multiple judges have now said, oh no, this is moving forward. We have a full discovery. So it's not Spencer saying it. The evidence is there of the negligence just adding up so long the list we can spend an hour. And I will if you'd like. I know you have a lot of questions, but I will break down exactly how she's responsible.
SPEAKER_00So in in your view, then what does accountability look like for those involved with the fire? If you're mayor, what does accountability look like?
SPEAKER_05Well, accountability is moving forward to make sure all these other communities don't catch on fire because right now we have accountability where the mayor will say, we're ready for the next fire. We have 45 less firefighters right now than we did January 7th. That's a lie. Go on the website and look at the list of all the things the firefighters asked for in this last budget. Denied, denied, denied, denied, denied. So for me, accountability as a merit is actually making sure everyone's safe. We can't get the accountability except for in court with actually Mayor Bass, you know, state parks, LA DWV. That's the only accountability there. But everybody's already lost everything. So I can't go back in time and undo the failures of Mayor Bass, but I can prevent this because all this is preventable. Yeah, I'm fine with saying that climate change, like they'll blame it. But we knew the climate has been changing and we didn't prepare. We have 60 years of dead fuel surrounding all these communities. We knew for three months that this was the driest weather event, no rain anticipated, all the maps show bright red. The fire chief warned Mayor Bass about this and didn't even, Mayor Bass didn't even tell the fire chief she was leaving the country. She lied and said she was leaving this out of the state. And and the chief said, this is in the Chief's Chief Crowley's lawsuit against Mayor Bass. She said all this. You sh this is not the time to leave. And we didn't pre deploy. We just found out this week the LADWP CEO, this Mickey's $750,000 a year. Janice Quinotas didn't even know the reservoirs were empty in the extreme fire season. So the list of just failures is so crazy. And, you know, it was always so hard for me to watch before I was ever running. You know, these people would come on your show, your past show, and they just lie to you, lie to you. They would tell you about, you know, this 100 mile per hour winds, and this is all not true. And they just keep that, because if they tell everybody there was 100 mile per hour winds, it's climate change, oh, it's unprecedented. No, it's not. The reason why there was no fixed wing aircraft, ready? LA City never called in fixed wing, because they couldn't reach Mayor Bass. And that CBS journalist just reported this week that when they told Mayor Bass in Ghana that there was a Palisades fire, she was then not a they could nobody could reach her for an hour because she was having drinks in Ghana. And they never called in fixed wing air support to drop water. It was never called. This is factual. Right.
SPEAKER_00And it wasn't because of the wind. Well, and and she said during the debate that the winds were so high that they couldn't have uh planes come in, which is not true. Um and so that is not actually what happened. And what you said in the debate was true uh about what happened in in that situation.
SPEAKER_05I received at least 1,000 videos of everyone showing the planes, the helicopters. I even posted the Chinook that's fly you know, these helicopters can't fly in a certain level of wind that she's describing. They're all flying. The issue, what people don't realize, the reason the Palisades fire got so out of hand. First, let's forget the state parks and the deb brush. For the first six hours of the fire, that's the crucial time, like everybody saw yesterday, how they were able to contain that fire. First in Semivalley, they have the fire breaks, so that helps. But they were able to get to the water. Since the Palisades Reservoirs, again, Mirabas Light and so there's only one, there's two. I live next door to one, Palisades Reservoir, and there's San Inez Reservoir. Since there was no water in those, the helicopters had to fly to Pepperdine and Malibu and to Encino to get water. They spent 60% of their time in the air instead of flying liter 30 seconds from the San Inez Reservoir over to Lochman. Drop, drop. That's when they have the chance to put out the fire. So this isn't like it's not a conspiracy. You know, I I used to, when I was younger, I used to believe in conspiracies. You realize it's they're not conspiracies, they're just negligence. They're people that we pay with our tax money and we expect them to do their jobs and they don't. So, you know.
SPEAKER_00So, from a policy perspective going forward, what changes to prevent that? You already talked about the idea of more firefighters, but is there anything else from a policy perspective that changes when it comes to fires?
SPEAKER_05Yeah, I think people miss in the debate what I said that is will change not just Los Angeles, it'll change insurance in California. I've had multiple meetings with Wayne Colson, who does the Chinooks for LA County. He provides the quick reaction for us, his three of them. We would add a fourth and we do a mutual aid with his Chinooks for Los Angeles City. We probably buy another one, and we put 20 dip sites around these communities because right now, we if we have these dip sites, they hit the water, boom, they hit the water, and then we also connect pools. You know, there's a lot of big pools in LA. You go to these communities, say a lot of these are also second homeowners. A lot of people don't even live here. They would have no issue connecting pools to then fill a dip site, say the water system goes down again and it's and we can't connect it. So we have 20 of these dipsites, one mile from each other. So now we have water all around these communities. Then, obviously, as mayor, I am clearing dead brush. And whoever the new governor is, if they have a problem with it, my citizens' lives are more important than milk vetch. So I will make sure we have fire breaks. And we saw yesterday in Semi-Valley how amazing a fire break. Yes, people will argue, no, the ember is still. You talk to any firefighter, they say the fire break gives us a chance to dig in and before we just get overwhelmed with the fire hitting onto the structures. So between fire breaks, having water, actually funding the fire department, because again, we can look at Chief Crowley's case against Mayor Bass because when she spoke the truth, Mayor Bass fired her for retaliation. So she has to now sue her for the truth. And in it, I think it was seven weeks before the Palace Fire, she went to Mayor Bass and said, I cannot protect Angelinos. What does Mayor Bass do? She cuts the fire department by 17 million. And again, people will say, Oh, there's no money in the city of LA. While she did that, there was $400 million sitting in an inside safe account that's still there to this day, right now, almost two years later. As mayor, if I knew there was $400 million in a different account, then we don't even know what to do with our scam we're running over here. I would say, oh, we're gonna take $17 million. I would go meet with the city council, where we ought to meet with, and say, Angelinos need to be safe. Our fire chief is saying we need the $17 million to get all these engines. So if there is an emergency, we have a thousand extra firefighters that can respond. When Mayor Bass lied on the debate, the amount of firefighters that messaged me and said, I showed up to my station, left my family, and you know, when I wasn't even working and we didn't have kit. We didn't have gear. We just couldn't even respond. So she just, it's actually scary, you know, these politicians, how they can just I don't, I honestly am to the point where maybe they don't know the truth. And so it's not lying. Nobody tells them the truth because they just, you know, let's give her, let's give her the benefit of the doubt. Maybe she has no clue about the truth. So those aren't lies. She just doesn't know everything she's saying is a lie.
SPEAKER_00And for the record, Bass says that she did not fire Crowley because of retaliation. She says it was for job performance. That's her perspective. That'll be litigated in court.
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