TheDocNCarolynPodcast Episode 133 (A Tragedy in Texas)

A defense Attorney looks at the Karmelow Anthony case from another angle.

Kimberly Blakes Kingdom Minute

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The Doc and Carolyn Podcast!

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Episode 133 of the Doc and Carolyn Podcast. Uh hello, I'm Doc Kilgore.

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Welcome back. I'm Carolyn Kilgore.

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That's right. And we uh do this podcast for the world. We've gotten new listeners in No, I mean quite true. We got uh new download in Kumamoto. Kumoto Kumap.

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We love our Brazilian friends.

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Has anybody been paying attention if you're particularly if you're outside the U.S., if you've been paying attention to Carmelo uh Anthony murder trial and case? This is something that that has captured the entire nation. It's it's taking kind of a nasty turn. I think some of the people are are are have have introduced race into us into a story that really doesn't it really doesn't need uh that racial racial component. It it hasn't been demonstrated as a important part of the trial, as an important part of the evidence, but it's there nonetheless. So we'll uh deal with that in just a little bit. Last week's uh and speaking of I mean broadcasting and podcasting all over the world, we depressed the planet with that show last week.

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It was depressing.

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Oh man. I listened to it, you know, Kimberly is so passionate. She she's uh just a great communicator. Uh Kimberly Blake's is uh podcaster and influencer, and she does her Kingdom Minute on this show. But last week her her dog Zoe um passed away, and and I listened to her to her uh social media post and I played it on our podcast last week and I found I was just crying.

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It was awful. I mean, it always is when people love or when people lose a pet, because for most people, if you have a heart at all, your pet becomes your family member.

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Yeah. Um, that part about Charlie, I mean, that had me in tears. And you know, I told you about seeing the folks outside the pet clinic. That that this is all on last week's show. If you missed it, um, you can check it out. I don't recommend it though, unless you want, like if you're way too happy, you could check it out.

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Just grab the tissues before you listen.

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Yeah, it was quite a story. I I love listening to you talk about uh your your horse. I don't think I've ever met anybody that had a now now let me ask you this. When you well how old were you when you got your your your first horse?

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I I'm thinking I was about four.

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So when you get uh and this is the difference. It's so funny. We are so completely opposite because I grew up in Ohio, grew up in the city. Yes, and uh, you know, you grew up in Texas in a small town. So how do you get a horse at the age of four? Is that deliberate, or was a horse just kind of dropped dropped off on the front porch?

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And no, I I mean I don't know how it happened. I just know that um so it's so I mean I was little, I don't even remember the details.

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Did you look at it as a pet? Is that your pet? Like you have a dog as a pet, so you'd get home from school and and the horse would run out and say greet you? How did that how does that work?

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No, I mean the horse was at my mom's. I lived at my dad's a lot of the time. Okay, and so I was Do you do you know where the horse came from?

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Was it something you asked for? Or again, you don't remember those details, you said no, because I was so little.

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Uh but I if I'm not mistaken, and I could be, I'm thinking that my mom bought the horse from my uncle.

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Oh, okay. And um yeah, and I So was it the family was it the family horse or you just claiming it or it was for you?

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It was my horse.

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Okay.

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And I had Coman the name was Comanche. I had Comanche until uh she passed away.

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Okay. And and so a typical day I was an adult. And and and again, one of those things that really just um I can tell that it means so much to you because you talk about taking Comanche, you know, out into the past or whatever, how however this this happened. So on a typical day, let's say it was a weekend, you know, I'm I'm I'm gonna get into your school years now. But you get up in the morning, let's say a Saturday, most of us were going and we had cereal in front of the television with cartoons. You were out on Comanche, I'm guessing.

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Not every weekend, but yeah, we we rode a lot and we would when you say we now there are so all the kids in the neighborhood have horses. Uh my cousin had a horse. And yeah, we all I mean, we always had horses.

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So y'all get together and then you take your horses and go where?

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Well, don't tell my mom.

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I think it's okay now.

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We would go, we would ride down to the creek.

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How how long is that? How what kind of ride was that?

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Uh it wasn't that far.

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But here's here's what I don't know about horses. So when you take off to the to the creek, it wasn't that far, but still. So do you have to pack a lunch for the horse? Do you take it no and what if you know, I know you went to the creek, but if you went someplace else, what if he gets thirsty? I mean, if I ride my bike my bike, unless a tire goes flat or the chain comes off.

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Well, yeah, you have to make sure you they're watered and before you go, but you don't go so far that they're gonna need a drink when they're I mean, some people go on trail rides. We just rode around where we lived.

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And then you go to the creek. Now you've mentioned the creek is always part of this conversation. So is it a deep creek?

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Is it can't be there was one part of the creek that um if it had been raining it would fill it up? Yeah, we would swim down there.

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And now what were the horses be doing?

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They would just kind of graze around.

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Just graze, and they never just run off or or or No. Okay. Did they know not to do that, or did you ever every once in a while have to chase them down?

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Well, I'm no, we didn't have to chase them down.

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Having a an animal like that for you it was Comanche. Um and I've had lots of pets.

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Yeah.

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And and but they're good for you. I mean, they're actually have a benefit a benefit for humans, yeah.

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Yeah. Unless I mean, unless you're allergic to them or something, then that's not good for you. But yeah, they they get you moving unless you have cats because they don't move a lot. But if you have a dog, you have to walk the dog. So, you know, it's good for your microbiome. It's good, especially little kids being exposed to pets, it helps build your immune system. So, yeah, it's great for you. I'm Carolyn Kilgore, founder and provider at TrueHealing Healthcare.net.

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True Healing Healthcare.net for the great state of Texas. So I found this video on YouTube called The Lead Attorney. The lead attorney, you can find his content on YouTube. And he has an he's a defense attorney and has an interesting take on the Carmelo Anthony case that I hadn't heard any place else before. Check this out.

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Carmelo Anthony's family has actually costed Carmelo extra years in prison. So many extra years. You wanted me to expound on that further because you had not heard anyone make that point. Well, that's why I'm here. I'm giving you the perspective not of a YouTuber reacting to news, but of an attorney who's practiced for more than 20 years. This is behind the scenes info. So let's get to it. Now, let me explain on how Carmelo's mother basically sentenced her own son Carmelo to an extra 10 to 30 more years in prison and what she can do about it now to try to fix it. I explained in my last video that Carmelo's mother apparently hired a family spokesperson, one Dominique Alexander. Uh, this Dominique calls himself a minister of justice, whatever that is. Dominique is a convicted felon. He's alleged to have beaten his girlfriend. Then he got a new girlfriend. And when that girlfriend left out of the apartment, the good minister grabbed that woman's two-year-old baby and shook him until that baby got brain damage. The good minister pled guilty in that case to felony charges and was in prison. Now, this is the man that Carmelo's mom chose to speak on Carmelo and the family's behalf. The good baby shaking minister. The minister did exactly what you would expect a convicted felon to do when handling Carmelo's case. He absolutely destroyed it. How? He ostracized the most important person in Carmelo's case. Now, who is that? Is that the judge? No. Is that the prosecutor? No. The most important person alive in Carmelo's case is actually Jeff Metcalf, the father of the young man that Carmelo Anthony killed, Austin Metcalf. The father, Jeff Metcalf, is the linchpin to Carmelo's entire future. Let me tell you that in a murder case where the victim is gone, the case lives on through the victim's next of kin. When a parent has to bury his child, everyone looks to that parent to gauge how to react. Judges consciously and subconsciously look at the parents' facial expression when they're testifying on the witness stand. Prosecutors run all their plea offers through the parents. Reporters knock on the parents' doors for statements, and they aim their cameras at the parents when the verdict's dropped. And the jurors, oh my goodness, the jurors hang on every word of the parents. Notice every little movement, every gesture. In this case, Jeff Medcalf, the father, is not just a spectator in the case. He's the conscience of the entire community. If you win Jeff, you win all the sympathy. But if you alienate him, you can go to prison for life. Now, months ago, Jeff Medcalf, the father, he did something unthinkable. Reporters, as they always do, shoved a microphone in this grieving father's face and asked him, How do you feel about this Carmelo Anthony? Do you know what he said? Jeff Metcalfe said, and I quote, you know what? I've already forgiven this person. Already. Now that is amazing. It's amazing that Jeff would have the strength to do that because I would be incapable of that. The maturity, the wisdom, the strength, I just would not have it. Now, that baby shaking minister is not gonna know this, but when a father makes a statement like that, a statement of forgiveness, the entire Carmelo team has to drop everything. This is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. Your entire legal strategy has to change. I can tell you as an attorney that you call an emergency meeting with all the lawyers, all the family, maybe PR consultants if the family has means for that. You bring everyone together to get them on the same page and let them know that this case will revolve around one person, Jeff Metcalf, the father. So when Carmelo's mother heard what Jeff said about her son, what do you think that this lady did? She handed the microphone at a press conference to the baby shaking minister of justice. And at that press conference, where Jeff Metcalf showed up to pray with the family, the baby shaking minister called the police and had Jeff kicked out. Like, can you believe it? They kicked Jeff Metcalf, who came there to pray. They kicked him out of the press conference. The entire spectacle went viral within an hour. And do you know what else? Carmelo Anthony's prison sentence was prolonged by 10 to 25 years within that same hour. Now, why do I say that? What did the family show Jeff in that instance? Jeff the father. They showed Jeff that there was no remorse. They showed Jeff that there would be no mutual prayers, there would be no reconciliation. Showed that man nothing but hostility and aggression. The same hostility, the same aggression, maybe that was at that track meet that fateful afternoon that was under that tent. Some of you are not going to appreciate how important this father is. You just don't know how these criminal sentences work. I see your comments on YouTube and Twitter. You think, oh, this person killed that person. So put the killer in prison and throw away the key. Put him there for life. That's what you guys say. You have no idea. I will tell you that people kill people all the time. And the sentences range from insanity on the low end to insanity on the high end. Now, who controls where the sentence is gonna fall? At the end of the day, it is the sentiment of the community that will decide. And in this case, Jeff Metcalfe is at the center of that entire community. Now, let's do this. Let's suppose it is your first day of law school, and I am your criminal law professor. I am gonna tell you some quick facts, and you tell me the sentence that you would give in this scenario if you were the jury, if you were the judge.

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Welcome to this Kingdom Minute with your host, Kimberly Blakes on the Doc and Carolyn podcast. The bottom line is everyone black that was born in the inner city heard something about race, heard something about that they were the victim, that white folks hated them. We heard that in music, we heard that in movies, we heard that in TV sitcoms, we heard that at church, because a lot of the black churches, all they do is preach the social gospel. It's all about what you can get for free, and that you have an enemy in the white men. The problem with this lie is that black folks are the only people that heard it. You heard that to keep you in line by a political party that needed to use you as a pawn because you cannot regulate your emotions. So now I'm saying things like they are gonna turn on you. You're standing with all these white people and they're gonna turn on you. Who is they? Who is they? Because I've never needed anyone to stand up flat footed on the truth. I have never asked anyone to agree with me, to share my post, to friend me, or anything else. I'm telling my experience as a black woman that was born and raised on the west side of Chicago in abject poverty, and I had to relearn the truth when I got born again. When I got born again, God sent me to a church that was black, white, Hispanic, and everything else. That was where I learned that I was not a victim, that I could do anything, that if God is for me, that no man can stand against me. Thank you for tuning in to this Kingdom Minute with your host, Kimberly Blakes on the Doc and Carolyn podcast. You can find me on Facebook at Kimberly Blakes, and I also have a podcast called The Faith Frame Perspective. I'll see you guys there.

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Here is the quiz. I want everybody to take it. Here's the first case: four cases. A 16-year-old in Texas, basically the same age and state of Carmelo, he gets hammered, consuming alcohol, consuming drugs. He does the whole thing. He gets behind the wheel of a vehicle. Of course, he gets into an accident. Now, here's the thing he kills four people. He intentionally gets hammered and gets cooked, and then he takes four lives. Now, little law student of mine, I'm gonna give you five seconds to determine how many years in prison you would give him. Ready? Go. And while you are considering your sentence, just know that in this case, the affluenza case, if you're old enough to remember, this young man he took four lives. But how many years did the judge give him? Well, the judge gave him 10 years for taking four lives. 10 years. But here's the kicker: it wasn't 10 years of prison. The judge gave him 10 years of straight probation. This man took four lives and got a straight probationary sentence. Not one day in prison. Did you guess it? Did you guess zero years? Now, here is the second of four scenarios. A football player gets hammered, just the same. He gets into his Bentley, he's an NFL player, and starts speeding. Of course, he runs over a guy, kills him dead. How many years in prison did this NFL player get for the killing? Now the victim is gone forever. You got five seconds to guess. How many years? And while you are considering how many years, all you football fans know that Mike Vick, the quarterback of the great Atlanta Falcons, got two years in prison for dog fighting. That's two years in prison for dogs. How many years did this NFL player get for actually killing a man? That's right. Dante Stalworth gets hammered, gets in his car, and kills a man in the street. He gets 30 days in the county jail. No prison at all. Just 30 days in jail. Mike Vick gets two years in prison for dogs. Now, my little law student, you ask, well, how can that be? What happened in that case? Well, I'll tell you. Dante Stallworth showed extreme remorse. He apologized. And most importantly, he reached a financial settlement with the family. Dante went into his pocket and got the family on his side. Now let me ask you, did Carmelo Anthony's family do that? Dante slid the victim's family some money. Carmelo Anthony's family got over half a million dollars. Did Carmelo's mom do any of that? Did the mom even offer to pay for the funeral? Guys, I'm gonna tell you, you do not know there are so many levels to criminal law. Now, two more quizzes to go. You're my law student and you are guessing these sentences, but there are a few of you that are listening, maybe four to six, that are gonna get an A in my class. You're gonna be the A students. You're gonna say, Well, Professor Leed, I can distinguish those cases. In both of those cases, yes, the defendants did kill their victims, but it really wasn't intentional because they were under the influence and they were driving. The Carmelo Anthony case is different. It was not vehicular, it was with a knife. There was direct violence. Now, if you thought of that, then you would get an A in my class. That's a great point. So let me give you a case that is a little closer to home. A guy gets mad at his wife, and rightly so, he thinks that she's cheating on him. He goes and loads up his shotgun. He goes outside where she's standing. Now, she's unarmed and she's recording him on her phone. He cocks the shotgun and points it directly at her teeth. He says, All right, goodbye. You are going to meet Jesus. And then he blows her away. She was unarmed and in Texas. Do you know who else was unarmed? Do you know who else was in Texas? That's right. Anthony Metcalf, Carmelo's victim. Now, the jury in the case with the husband gave that man just 10 years in prison. And he is eligible for parole after only five years. Think about it. Five years in prison for a straight up killing. I am positive that every single one of you would have said, lock him up for life, lock him up forever. She's a woman. She was unarmed. She didn't even hit him. And he only got 10 years or maybe five years to serve. Now you ask, well, Professor Leed, why so little time? Well, the defense team in that case did a great job of humanizing the husband, humanizing the killer, and getting the jury on his side. The jury didn't hate the killer. In Carmelo's case, do you think the jury would hate Carmelo if Austin's father, Jeff, pleaded with the jury for mercy, pleaded with the jury for grace, is seen praying and reconciling and crying with the Carmelo family. Everyone in that courtroom would be crying, listening to Jeff's victim impact statement. The judge would be crying, the bailiffs would be crying, the attorneys would be crying, the jury. Believe me, everyone in that courthouse would have their eyes full of tears. At the end of the day, we are all human. Carmelo would have been spared. He would have not gotten a lot of time. You can absolutely get a judge and jury on your side. You just have to know how to do it. Now, and this is the last case, and this is for all of my A students. Let's go back to the vehicular homicide cases. You think that you can get off easy by killing somebody with your car, remember? Remember when you thought, oh, well, it's because the guy who killed four people was driving. That's why he got zero years in prison. Okay, that guy. Killed four people? What about a guy that killed six people in his car at a parade? You got five seconds to consider how many years this guy would get for killing six people. If the first guy got zero years in prison for killing four people, how many years in prison did this guy get for killing six people? All right, you got your answer? Don't you know that this guy got a thousand years? A thousand. They calculated it out to like 1,067 years. He got six life sentences and an additional 760 years for the people that he hurt with his car. Now, how do you go from zero to a thousand? Well, this guy got every single person in the community to hate him. Daryl Brooks never apologized to any of the family members and was hostile to everyone in the courthouse during his court case. The judge ended up blasting him. So now, my law student, you can see the importance of getting the families, getting the community on your side. It could be the difference between zero years and a thousand years. Is the Carmelo family doing that? Is the Carmelo family getting the Austin Metcalf family on their side by kicking out Austin's father at the press conference? It's insanity how they are handling the Carmelo case, and Carmelo will pay the price. Now, people have asked, they said, Well, Lee, if you represented the Carmelo family, how would you have handled it if Jeff Metcalf showed up at the press conference? Guys, there are so many ways that this press conference could have been used to benefit not only Carmelo, but both families' entire well-being. I would have already talked to Carmelo's family about how important Jeff is to the entire case. Hopefully, the Carmelo family would have already communicated with Jeff numerous times, expressing remorse, expressing sorrow, offering apologies for the incident. And if Jeff shows up at that press conference, guess what? We are not having a Carmelo press conference anymore. We are having a joint press conference. And guess what else? Jeff Metcalf gets the microphone first. He gets the spotlight. We stand behind him while he talks. He gets the first words and he can talk for as long as he wants. Now, a few of you might say, Well, what happened if he goes off the rails? What happens if he starts saying bad things about Carmelo? Well, good. Let him say it. He's not saying anything that we all haven't felt. And you know what we do? We stand there behind him and we take it. We take our loss with grace and patience and understanding. This man just lost a son. We are taking all of his heat. We know that the jury is gonna see that too. The jury is gonna be watching our demeanor while this man is up there blazing us. And after he's finished, we get on the microphone. What do we do? We express our understanding of his words. We express how justified he is in feeling everything that he feels. All parents can understand where this man is coming from. We thank him for his strength to join us. We tell everyone that we welcome this and all future opportunities to listen to Jeff. We express remorse at the circumstances again and we apologize for the circumstances again. And you know what we do then? We shut up. We end the press conference right there. We don't go on to put the blame on racist white people. We don't go on to keep claiming self-defense. We don't need to argue self-defense at the press conference. The attorneys, if they need to, can argue that in court. Blaming white people and screaming self-defense gets us nowhere. We have to be intelligent for once in our lives. We end the press conference on the best note possible. The jury is gonna see it. If the press conference goes off the rails, it's not gonna hurt us because again, everyone can understand where Jeff is coming from. And Jeff is always free to say those things anyway, inside the press conference or out. So we take the risk. But you know what? Because of what Jeff expressed in the past, and because of the man that Jeff met Cafe is, I'd bet that that press conference would not have gone off the rails. I would bet that it would have been beautiful. And like Jeff said, we would have prayed together and sought reconciliation together. And that would have been the start of getting so many years off Carmelo's prison sentence. So, what needs to happen going forward? If the family hired me, the lead to consult with them on this case, here is what I would tell them. First, and this is number one, fire the baby shaking minister of justice. Fire that man immediately and publicly. Let everyone know that he is no longer on the team. We've got attorneys now, we've got the lead consulting now. We definitely don't need baby shaking convicted felons representing us. Second, I would appoint Jeff, the father, to choose a new spokesman. I tell him to think of someone like a retired pastor, a real pastor, or a retired judge with impeccable standing. We are giving Jeff the control of this because Jeff is the person who can do the most to help Carmelo and to heal the community.

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