Humanity, Humility, and Hope: What Business Leaders Can Learn from Pop Culture Icons

What do a fictional soccer coach and a country music icon have in common? More than you might think – especially when it comes to revolutionizing leadership.

Kim Curley returns to the Tech Exec Wellness Podcast to explore the surprising leadership lessons we can learn from Ted Lasso and Dolly Parton. In a business world often focused on metrics and productivity, these cultural touchstones remind us of something essential: leadership begins with humanity.

The conversation delves into why Dolly Parton remains universally beloved across generations and political divides. Her intentional approach to inclusivity, immediate correction when she learns something might cause harm, and unwavering authenticity create a leadership model surprisingly applicable to today's complex workplace challenges. As Kim explains, "She's been really intentional about the way she sees the world and the way she embraces the world."

Similarly, Ted Lasso's coaching philosophy – centered on developing "the best versions of themselves on and off the field" rather than just winning games – offers a refreshing counterpoint to results-obsessed management styles. The show demonstrates that leaders don't need technical expertise in every aspect of their business but must excel at understanding people and building relationships that unlock potential.

What makes these lessons particularly relevant today? In our uncertain, often dystopian-feeling world, people crave connection, meaning, and leaders who prioritize humanity. The pandemic accelerated this shift, highlighting how traditional workplace paradigms often fail to acknowledge our fundamental human needs.

Kim shares practical applications of these pop culture leadership lessons: creating rich imagery with simple, repeatable stories that teams can internalize; approaching challenges with curiosity rather than judgment; maintaining humility even at the highest levels of success; and recognizing that caring for people first ultimately creates better business outcomes.

The conversation culminates in a powerful reminder that will resonate with leaders everywhere: "We're human beings that work. We are not workers that human being on the weekends." In this simple statement lies perhaps the most transformative leadership lesson of all.

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Transcript

Speaker 2 0:19

Hello and welcome back to another episode of the Tech Exec Wellness Podcast . I've been out for a bit , but I'm so excited because I'm circling back to one of our favorites , Kim Curley . This episode is going to be a lot of fun . One of the reasons I wanted to do this is , as we mentioned before , Kim has dollyisms and she had a post

Welcoming Kim Curley

Speaker 2 0:38

up not so long ago with Ted Lasso . We want to kind of dive into leadership and business and just how , Kim ? How have you been ? What's new with you , Melissa ?

Speaker 1 0:48

I have been great . Thank you so much and thank you again for an opportunity to be with you and have a fun conversation on this podcast . I'm tickled to be here today . Things have been good in my neck of the woods Busy as always , have a slightly new role in the organization , and it's spring time and you know all kinds of things are great tennis season , so I'm super excited about okay I'm gonna have to talk to you offline because I do have tennis elbow .

Speaker 1 1:15

I don't know if you ever have , but I had to have the surgery to have the tendon reattached oh yeah , I know that pain , all right we got to talk about that offline and our listeners I know we've talked about sports injuries . Oh yeah , I know that pain .

Speaker 2 1:41

What do you think about the topic about Tad Lasso and Dolly Parton as we kind of move into this episode ?

Speaker 1 1:48

lift us up or make us laugh or help us enjoy a quiet evening we ought to be paying attention

Ted Lasso and Dolly as Leadership Models

Speaker 1 2:05

to . Why is it that we watch those things and why is it we consume that kind of media or read that kind of book ? So I think there's always something to be learned from what is it that you're drawn to ? And it's just a matter of spending an extra minute to think about . Well , if I'm drawn to it for this reason , where else can I pull it through in the rest of my world ? So I'm tickled to pieces . I'm talking about Ted . Ted Lasso is one of my favorite series of all times . Can't wait for season four . My background if you could see me right now , you'd see that there's a Believe sign on the little mini bulletin board that sits behind my head . So I'm a big , big fan , and you can't get more positive , probably , than Ted Lasso and my favorite Dolly Parton either .

Speaker 1 2:47

I mean you'd be hard pressed to come up with two people that are bigger optimists and bigger joy spreaders in the world .

Speaker 2 2:54

Well , I'm going to jump around here on the questions and as always , I send my guest a podcast framework and you can tell I'm a little shaky here because I haven't been podcasting recently . But you know , when I think of Dolly Parton , I don't think I know anyone who's ever said anything bad about her . What do you think it is , Kim ? Everybody kind of gravitates toward her . I don't care if it's people from the rap genre , Everybody seems she's like universally loved she is , and I think that has been not .

Speaker 1 3:24

I think that has . That has been a very intentional decision of hers . She there's a million quotes

What Makes Dolly Universally Loved

Speaker 1 3:31

from her talking about the fact that she doesn't want to offend anyone . She doesn't want to or make or alienate a single potential fan or a single potential patron or customer of hers in her many , many businesses and so I think , she's been really intentional about the way she sees the world and the way she embraces the world .

Speaker 1 3:51

The fact that she grew up with as little as she did .

Speaker 1 3:54

She really has always embraced the world from a perspective of curiosity .

Speaker 1 3:59

So she does not approach with judgment , she does not approach with hard and fast rules that can't be broken or maybe arbitrary .

Speaker 1 4:07

You know , she's really just chock full of love and spread the love the way she thinks it's the right way to do that and that's a very intentional decision on her part . That comes through in her music and how she writes . It comes through in the decisions that she makes in the businesses that she runs and how she runs them and what they are called and the language that she uses in them . So I think it's been a very , very intentional thing on her part . The fact that her recognizing when she learned that the dinner theater that she was running , which used the word Dixie in it , was offensive to some and she literally asked questions to understand why it was offensive . This was new news for Dolly this was many years ago , by the way now and she went out and changed the wording used in her dinner seminar almost immediately , overnight . For her it's about knowing what's right and putting only love out there , and if she finds out she's not doing it quite right , she takes steps to do it better tomorrow .

Speaker 2 5:13

You mentioned a lot of things there that I love . One of the first things I thought of as we relate it to business is that's exactly it . Let's get educated on cultures , different things , because the workplace is full of different people from different backgrounds , and I really think that shows leadership , that she takes it upon herself and she's so popular and famous but she still goes back and it just speaks to her heart and she's really conscious of what she's doing and I think we could definitely learn a lot from Dally in the business world .

Speaker 1 5:47

Yeah , I think you're exactly right and it pulls through two points . Well , really , as I was prepping for this podcast , I was making notes around some of the questions , so I'd be really prepared and have smooth , slick answers for everything in this conversation . But there's two things that you just brought up . One of them is curiosity . Right , that's one of the reasons I love Ted Lasso . One of my favorite quotes that I'm using a lot these days is be curious , not judgmental , which is from the famous darts scene in Ted Lasso . But you also brought up really humility and the idea that someone as successful as Dolly Parton is and nobody can argue that she isn't one of the most successful business people anywhere she's quite humble . The idea for humanity and humility and curiosity and those things coming to the forefront , no matter how experienced you are , no matter what element of business you're in or what type of business you're in . To me , those are things that I really take away from Ted and from Dolly , Things that really make me think and make me want to talk about them to others .

Speaker 2 6:54

Before we pivot over to Ted , one of the things I want to bring out that our listeners may or may not know is , whenever there is a natural disaster , whether it be in Tennessee or anywhere , dali , along with Taylor Swift , are always the first one to open up the checkbooks To me . I don't see those women as oh hey , I want to get some PR . I see these as two women who are authentic and really care about other people . I really hope that they can continue to lead by example , because a lot of that is lacking in our world today . And as we pivot over to Ted Lasso and your comment earlier about pop culture , let's dive into that piece of it .

Speaker 1 7:32

Awesome and , by the way , I couldn't agree more . If you ever want a really inspirational or another inspirational thing about Dolly , just go read a little bit about her imagination library and the number of books that she's gotten into kids' hands all over this world . It's you know I get goosebumps just thinking about it . She changes lives , every day . So does T-Swift , by the way , in so many ways . Oh yeah , but yeah can't say enough good things about those two .

Speaker 2 7:56

Ted Lasso , that is on the Apple streaming platform , correct it is . So how did you find it and what you said ? You're

The Leadership Magic of Ted Lasso

Speaker 2 8:04

up to season four . What kept you staying with it ? Can you kind of dig into that for us , Sure .

Speaker 1 8:10

Well , it's a show . First of all , the writing is spectacular , and I am a big fan of great writing in TV programming . I guess I shouldn't even call it TV programming anymore .

Speaker 2 8:21

What do we call it now ? Because it's not like we watch it Streaming .

Speaker 1 8:24

Yeah , streaming On streaming content . I'm a big fan of writing . I like the writing to be clever , I like it to be crisp , I like humor . I think at the time that Ted Lasso came out , we were still in somewhat of the throes of COVID and the epidemic across the world , or the pandemic across the world , and I really had a very intense need for positive , and I tend to even now . I like to watch mysteries and spy shows , but I also really love a big dose of just positive , happy , upbeat things to end my day on . That don't , you know , grind me into a dark place , but let me go to sleep and have sweet dreams and Ted Lasso just fulfills on that Now there's a portion of one of the seasons that's a bit dark .

Speaker 1 9:11

Don't let that stop you . Just keep going Because there's , if you don't like the episodes you're watching just go on to the next one . You're going to find something great and fantastic in all of them , but it really is almost something that we couldn't devour fast enough in our household and it's become background noise . So if we're cooking dinner and we just want a little something on in the background , we'll turn on .

Speaker 2 9:33

We've watched all seasons , I don't know how many times , but it's such a great , just a terrific lift when you want just a little bit of lightness in your life .

Speaker 1 9:41

I'll agree with that , I think you know , with the pandemic and everything , things just .

Speaker 2 9:45

I don't know about you , but I was always on the go . I was traveling for work and then I was isolated and I think during that time not speaking for everybody out there , but I wanted that community and I wanted that feel good .

Speaker 1 9:59

Yes , the last thing I wanted to watch was some dystopian fantasy with zombies . Right , it felt like the whole world was already like that . I wanted lighthearted friends , being around friends and supporting each other . So for me , that kindness and that optimism are really , really things that draw me to all the characters in the Ted Lasso series . Again , can't say enough good thing about the writing .

Speaker 2 10:25

Can you give our listeners who haven't watched the series kind of an overview of who Ted is and what are some of the things that they talk about , or , I'm sorry , the different episodes ? What are you taking ?

Speaker 1 10:38

away from those Sure . So I'm gonna , and if I'm ruining this for anyone , I'm just going to apologize in advance . But you know it's been enough years that probably I'm not Spoiler alert free .

Speaker 1 10:48

Exactly . But the short story is Ted is an American football coach who is hired by a British football meaning soccer in American owner to come coach a Premier League I probably got that league name wrong but to come coach a soccer team in the UK . And in this particular case , this owner is a woman who's recently divorced , through a very , very bitter divorce , and you come to find out over the course of some number of episodes that she's not really hired him because she wants him to succeed . She's hired him because she wants to punish her ex . So that's the spoiler . If I ruined it for anyone , I'm really , really sorry .

Speaker 1 11:31

You can send me hate mail , but what shows up is this relentlessly positive , extremely resilient coach in the form of Ted Lasso , who , while he really does not know much about the sport of soccer , he knows a lot about human beings and how to coach human beings to get the best out of them for whatever sport they might be playing . And so he's got a sidekick , coach Beard , who helps him a lot , has much more of the technical knowledge of the sport , but Ted's really the person that motivates and understands and gets to know the players and helps them work through the things that they are working through so that they can become the very best version of themselves on the pitch , as they call it in soccer .

Speaker 1 12:18

And so it's these trials and tribulations of a little bit being set up for failure , and how he overcomes it , seemingly you know , without even understanding he's been set up for failure .

Speaker 1 12:28

He just magically pulls success out of a hat practically in so many different scenarios . But the real success that you see is around the relationships that he develops , both with this originally quite bitter owner of this team , and how he helps her become a better version of herself and let go of her bitterness and anger . How he helps the individuals or the superstars , as well as the up and comers , figure out who they are and how best they can show up on the pitch .

Speaker 1 12:58

And then there's all kinds of interesting adventures that they have you know away from the soccer pitch as well . Really really fun , really worth watching .

Speaker 2 13:07

When I was listening to you , I was thinking you and I are leaders and I think at this point in our lives , leaders are about coaching , and I was a soccer player forever and then I went into rugby and well , that's another , another chapter , but more conversation , more conversation .

Speaker 2 13:25

Yeah , and and and . To me it's you just said it right there it's , you know , getting to know what that person is going through . And I think when we look at business , you know , you see this hierarchy of you know , here's your CEO , here's the directives . But what I think has been missing for a long time , and I think shows like Ted Lasso can kind of bring us into hey , what can you learn from pop culture is how are your people doing ? Are you ensuring that they're taking their days off ? Can you ensure that there's communication ? And I don't know about you , but I like to kind of lead as a coach . And again , it's not about me anymore at this level , it has nothing to do with me . It's about us bringing the best out in people .

Speaker 1 14:04

I mean , would you agree with that at all ? I completely agree with that . In fact , ted has a quote

Leading with Humanity First

Speaker 1 14:09

and it's a bit controversial . There's some there's some controversy over his quote in a couple of different episodes in the in the series . But his quote in a couple of different episodes in the series . But his quote is success is not about the wins and losses , it's about helping these young fellas be the best versions of themselves on and off the field . So the controversial part is it's not about the wins and losses . Folks would say it's not only about the wins and losses .

Speaker 1 14:32

But , anyway , I think the part that you and I would really resonate with is it's about the best versions of themselves on and off the field . I care about the people that I get the honor of leading as human beings first , and then , as you know , elements of productivity next Right . If they're not OK as humans , they're not going to be super productive in the office , whatever it is that they're doing . So the more that we can lean into understanding the humanity and focusing on the humanity that we're working with , the better job we're doing for those young fellas on the field young fellas and women on the field , but also the better job we're doing for everybody . If somebody's doing better as a human , they're going to be doing better as a partner or a parent or a friend or a teammate or a worker or whatever of the many roles that we all play .

Speaker 2 15:26

You know , you mentioned the win losses and this is how I see it . I might be an outlier here when I say it , but let's talk about business risk . Let's talk about cyber risk , if we had to . I mean , those are things that if you're not taking care of your people , that is going to cause business risk , and I think the way to mitigate , that is to make sure that these people are taken care of and , like you said , you want to make sure that they can .

Speaker 2 15:50

what is it to be productive If something's going on with this individual ? You obviously hired them because you saw a lot of potential and all that other stuff . But I think , as leaders , as businesses out there , if we're bringing these people in because of their talent and expertise , I think we need to make sure that their wellbeing and that they're okay .

Speaker 1 16:11

We don't need to know the personal aspects of what their lives are .

Speaker 2 16:14

but hey , do you need time off ? Is there EAP within the organization where you can say I really think that's what Ted Lasso does with the team ? Right , because it's a team and you're as good . If you got a weak link in the team that needs to be addressed , I don't think you necessarily replace that team player . Get to the root of the problem , right ?

Speaker 1 16:33

Yeah , yeah , I think you're exactly right and and you know I tend to err on the side of being really open with my personal life , with the people that I read that everybody's like that . I can be a little , I can come in a little hot on that front , so I try to . I try to be careful and recognize that not everybody is like that , but I do try very hard to make sure that people know I care about them as the human . First , you do have responsibilities and you do need to fulfill those responsibilities .

Speaker 1 17:01

But , if there are reasons that you're struggling to do that , it's important to me that I've created an environment where , number one , that doesn't happen very often because of things that we can control in the workplace , but number two , that there's an environment where you feel comfortable enough asking for help and that you've got multiple avenues to ask it from . So if you want to ask it from me and you're comfortable asking for me , man , I am all in . Let's figure it out . If you're not , we've got great to your point , EAP services , other folks in our people and culture teams who can help support if you're more comfortable talking to somebody else . But I do think that's really important is ensuring that you've got a team that is healthy in the broadest sense of the word , meaning they're getting enough rest , they've got enough time to think , as opposed to simply react to the million things we're hit with every day . I think those are really really important things to do and you do see those show up the way Ted coaches . He focuses on the human being .

Speaker 2 18:02

I love that and I don't know about you , but I've seen people go above and beyond when you show that you care . I look at it like this People are my investment and they're an investment in the business , and I think if people don't feel that they're cared for or whatever , then they're not going to go above and beyond . It might turn into a toxic culture and then guess what ? They start looking and interviewing on your time , which you know it happens . You know leaders like you and me who care and hey , this person's going through a rough time and

Craving Kindness in an Uncertain World

Speaker 2 18:32

you mentioned COVID earlier .

Speaker 2 18:34

A lot of people were sick and I think if you have a leadership team that truly understands it , man , you're going to come back and you're going to just be like you know what , kim , you're the best boss I ever had . What can I do ? What can I do to accelerate adoption of emerging technologies ? What can I do to help you ? And those are the kind of people that I want on my team is that they know this and they're cared for and they come back better than ever .

Speaker 1 18:58

Yeah , I completely agree , and I think it's not only for me . I see it not only as an investment in the business , but for me it's very much karma . Yes , for me it's a , it's an and this sounds really trite , but it's an investment in humanity right . You know we had somebody who used to work for me . I moved to a different team . He worked in the team I used to lead . He's leading the firm to go someplace else .

Speaker 1 19:22

The thing that I want him to take with him is that he knows I'm here for him and supportive of him , no matter what kind of work he's doing for what company out there , forever in the world . I want him to know that I think he's an awesome human and if he ever needs me , I'm here . Now . Am I super sad that he's leaving my company ? Absolutely , I'm super sad , but I'm more excited about the fact that he's moving towards something that really gets him excited which means he's going to thrive .

Speaker 1 19:50

The whole world is going to thrive when people are where they can thrive .

Speaker 2 19:54

So I don't want to run anyone off .

Speaker 1 19:56

Don't hear that . But it's an investment in humanity and it all pays back it all pays back .

Speaker 2 20:02

If you're one of Kim's employees , you are definitely lucky . We've talked about personal things and I love that . We need more of it , which leads me to this question here . What do you think makes audiences to Dolly , to Tug Lasso , to Taylor Swift ? What makes them crave content rooted in kindness , resilience and authenticity ? What do you think it is ?

Speaker 1 20:22

Well , that to me that's a little bit of an easy one . I don't know if you've noticed the world around us lately on it's you know , it's practically a dystopian TV show in and of itself .

Speaker 1 20:35

right it is , and so I think , when people are faced with such a significant amount of uncertainty , whatever your political beliefs , whatever your nationality , whatever part of the world you're in I'm making no comment on any of that . What I am saying is right now our world is filled with a whole lot of uncertainty . It feels like things change fairly dramatically on a really short cycle , and it's difficult to understand how to be prepared for that . So when most people are faced with that level of uncertainty or change , they want to gravitate towards things that give them solace , that give them comfort , that demonstrate that , if the world outside feels unpredictable and not particularly nice , I can lean into the kindness that I hear in Dolly Parton's songs , or the resilience or the authenticity I hear in Taylor Swift's voice when she sings about a personal situation and a breakup .

Speaker 1 21:39

You know it makes you lean in or want to lean into those things that just feel a bit more normal and a bit less challenging to deal with .

Speaker 2 21:49

frankly , no , I love that and I would 100% agree . I think you know I grew up in a time where we didn't have cell phones and then I was one of the first flip phone adoptees and I remember just how much I didn't have screen time . And of course , when you're working now there's a lot of screen time and outside of work you're checking on your clients at night . So I love that . You said that and I don't want to . I don't know if I want to say we need to get back to basics , but we need to get back to the human element , the championing stories of old , and I think to Lasso and Dolly Parton . I mean Dolly Parton , I don't know how she is now , but I mean she's been the one like stable thing in our lives , right ?

Faith, Humility and Leadership Lessons

Speaker 1 22:29

Yes , she is absolutely a national treasure . That is not an understatement in any way shape or form .

Speaker 2 22:40

So let's pivot to Dolly Parton . You know , speaking of her and she's been around for decades the storytelling that she does , it just feels timeless . What ? Do you think , leaders and creators ? What can we learn from Dolly that we could apply ?

Speaker 1 22:49

Oh , great , great , great question . I think there's two things that I would say that we can learn from her in particular . The first is that her imagery is so rich . So if you listen to her songs or read her lyrics , you can immediately see the scene that she is painting for you . When she talks about , you know , the front porch of the cabin that she grew up in , or when she talks about Jolene and what Jolene looks like , you can instantly see those images .

Speaker 1 23:21

And so , for the first thing , I would say that creators and leaders in particular , who need to be able to tell great stories , imagery is important . Don't make it a milk toasty , washed out , dream sequence , fuzzy image . That's not going to work . If you are a leader , you need to create imagery for your teams that is so rich that they immediately understand the story that you're trying to tell , that they can see the compelling future in that picture and that they are ready to follow you into that image . So imagery is really , really important .

Speaker 1 23:59

The second thing I'd say is , while imagery is important and can be a little bit complex , you got to keep it simple . People need simple stories that they can repeat , that they can repeat often enough that they become their own , that they're easy to seat into their brains and into their heart and , honestly , there's almost nothing more difficult than making something simple . So simple and elegant is the toughest thing ever . Coding things that are simple and elegant is tough . Putting together an outfit that is simple and elegant is tough . Putting together an outfit that is simple and elegant is tough . So while simple and elegant may not be the hallmark of Diary's image , it is absolutely a hallmark of the stories that she tells Okay , I didn't have this on our list of questions , but there's a song out there and it came out in 2018 .

Speaker 2 24:51

And I wanted to mention it because I was sitting here and gone , you know what . There's a song out there that makes me weepy . So in 2018 , she did a collaboration with a group called King and Country and the name of the song is God Only Knows . And when I looked for the lyrics meaning behind that , the lyrics describe quote how we tend to hide the troubles in our lives , even when they continuously take their toll on our mental , emotional and physical well-being .

Speaker 1 25:18

Have you heard that song ? I think I have . I think I have .

Speaker 2 25:21

I don't know it just makes me so weepy-eyed , but she did the collaboration with them and they have a video for the song . But again , it just speaks to the depth of this woman who , like you said , I mean it's not dystopian , it's like real life feelings .

Speaker 1 25:35

Yeah , yeah it is and one of the things that is . So another hallmark of Dolly is her faith . So one of the questions you did ask me to think about is what would be the core messages of Dolly and Ted if they did a masterclass ? Yes , and the two things that I came to for both of them over and over again is hard work and faith or belief , depending upon which angle you want to take .

Speaker 1 26:01

For Dolly , her faith in her God has been the foundation of her life . She believes , always , has very strongly . Her faith roots , her day , Literally the structure of her day , has a lot to do with her faith and her practicing of her faith . So for her , when she says God only knows , you know we might say that as a throwaway line in kind of everyday language , but for her it's really a recognition that the most central parts of her are private to her and private to her God and to her faith . And she says that we may think we're getting all a Dolly , we're not . We're getting what Dolly wants to show us .

Speaker 1 26:42

The things that she holds dear or that are deeply troubling or difficult for her , she shares with God right with God right . So that faith , faith for her in God , that belief in humanity for Ted Lasso , that strength of where people know you at your core , I think is important to both of them . Dolly's is expressed more probably and Ted's is expressed a bit more outwardly , but I think that's a real . I think that's something they have in common . They express it differently , but they have that deep faith and that deep belief in common , which I love . It's easy to feel like it's possible for you to have faith when you're watching or listening to the way they have faith .

Speaker 2 27:27

That's why she's been , you know , the stable thing for us , because there's no hiding , there's no anything . There's no anything . It's she's fully transparent and I love that . She gives you just a little bit into her life and that's it .

Speaker 1 27:38

And I love that she's got a balance .

Speaker 2 27:40

Last question for you what's one lesson from Tolasso or Dolly Parton that you'd like more leaders to embrace ?

Speaker 1 27:49

Easy one , and I kind of hit this before , but it's humanity and humility . I don't ever get the impression that either Dolly

Closing Thoughts on Finding Your People

Speaker 1 27:58

or Ted feel like they need to have all the answers . I feel like they approach things from the perspective of that . They get the opportunity to create answers together with their people , so they're demonstrating that humility . I don't know everything . Together we'll figure it out and together we'll figure it out is rooted in the belief in humanity and the people around you , and I just don't think there's a better lesson . You don't have to be perfect to be a leader . In fact , I argue that you're going to be not a great leader if you think you need to present perfect all the time . I don't think that's the way to go . Others may argue , but I don't believe that works . So I think it's that humility , those angles of humility and humanity which are really maybe different sides of the same coin , or all in the same ball .

Speaker 2 28:49

Wow , I think this was and , kim , you're so awesome my first time back in a while here , and it was just like I thought it was going to be a lot of fun .

Speaker 1 28:59

It's just like getting right back on the bicycle , right , you know how to do this .

Speaker 2 29:02

That's right . You know , I really hope that our listeners , wherever they are , right now if they're in a great time of their life or a not so great time in their life that they'll tune into this episode and see that leaders do care .

Speaker 2 29:20

There are pop culture figures like Tlazo and Dolly Parton . Who's real that there's still a real world outside of like you had mentioned earlier dystopia ? Really want people to know that , hey , we're all here and there sometimes with our struggles , but we can get through it and we can have bosses like Kim , like you , where they do care . That's where you're going to see people thrive is when they have that type of leadership .

Speaker 1 29:45

I think so too . After all , remember , we're human beings that work . We are not workers . That human being on the weekends yeah , I love that . That's not what these not workers . That human being on the weekends yeah , I love that . These things are running around out there .

Speaker 2 29:57

Well , kim , I probably could talk to you another hour . You always have words of wisdom . I was writing a couple of things down here going . Oh , I love that , but I would . I would just say to anybody out there find leaders like Kim , find people that you you know , find your people . Let your vibe find your tribe . So , with that being said , please remember to subscribe to our podcast on various platforms , including Apple and many more . Thank you for tuning in and take care .