EMERGENCY POD! Iran vs US Who's at fault? Is Trump really in control?

News moves fast, but the questions behind it don’t. We sit down and pull apart the US–Iran strikes with a simple starting point: who benefits, who suffers, and what do we actually know versus what we’re told? From “nuclear program” justifications to the human cost of collateral damage, we weigh whether deterrence delivers security or just breeds the next wave of extremists—and why it’s always civilians and young soldiers who pay the bill.

We follow the breadcrumbs across propaganda, political theater, and the uneasy idea that leaders may be selling strategies crafted elsewhere. One of us argues Trump is a puppet, the other pushes for caution about grand puppeteers; both agree that information control shapes outrage and consent. Along the way, we surface the Oman inspection claims, revisit the WMD playbook, and draw lessons from Iraq and Afghanistan on what “mission accomplished” really looks like when institutions crumble and veterans come home disillusioned.

Then we bring it home to Australia. What’s the realistic flow-on for travel and safety when flights to Dubai turn back mid-air? How might fuel prices, shipping lanes, and China’s oil dependence ripple through our cost of living? Would we bear arms if conscription returned—or is real family protection refusing to fight wars of choice? We don’t have tidy answers, but we do offer a conversation that prizes humility, second-order thinking, and empathy for people under the flight path.

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Transcript

A Cold Open On War Talk

George 0:02

So you got your gun license, don't you?

Robby 0:06

Me?

George 0:06

Yeah.

Robby 0:06

Yeah.

George 0:07

I think it's gonna come in handy. Why? Because shit's about to go down.

Robby 0:11

You reckon?

George 0:12

I reckon you better start loading your ammo reserves, mate. Yeah, thanks.

Distance, Safety And Apathy

Robby 0:16

I'll um why? Do you do you mean that or are you just uh playing on what's coming? Just a nice segue into our topics. Yeah, I'll tell you something. There has never been a better time to be this far apart. There's no like I've never this morning I woke up and I thought, you know what? Thank fuck we're on the other side of the world. That's it. Thank God we live in Australia. Thank fuck we are so far away. We are so far away from everyone that no one wants a bar to do with us. And it's like, even when the bad shit's happening in the world, yeah, no one wants a thing to do with us. And it's like, you know what? That's pretty good. I'm quite happy with that, right? It's nice to be on the other side of the world right now. Uh and if you don't know what we're talking about, you must be living under a rock. I know, George, when it comes to most topics like this, yeah, you you yourself, you're generally not just not interested.

George 1:07

You are 100% bang on. And that's look, it's not a matter of it not being interested because I am it's an interesting topic. So there's no it's not a not being interested. It's I think I'm just more focused on what's important to me and going to really affect me. Because is this going to affect me today? There's not missiles flying over our heads, as you said. We live in a great country, we're in a good part of the world. Yeah, but hold on, hold on, so can I just challenge that thought?

Robby 1:28

Yeah, because it feels for today. Yeah, but so in the next week. Yes, I agree. But that doesn't mean that means you're not interested in it. Because you're only interested in it if it's affecting you. So you're not interested in it, you're interested in yourself. Yeah.

George 1:41

Absolutely.

Robby 1:42

So you're not interested in it.

George 1:43

Yeah, there you go. You can see it first later. You don't find you don't find the topic interesting. No, I do find it interesting. Like I've watched this morning on social media, I've seen a lot of things pop up, and I have watched it. So it's not like it was on your feed. Yeah, it was definitely on my feed. So it's not like I flick through and go, oh, well, this is boring. I watched all of Trump's speech in the White House today. That went for about three to five minutes, something like that. So I watched the whole thing there. Like there is definitely interest, but it's like a quick, okay, cool, let's move on. Uh, I'll I'll start looking at what project I need to win now. You know what I mean? So it's not, it's not something that I'll delve into as much as say other people would, but you've got to be open and understanding that there is a flow and effect for us as well.

Naming The US–Iran Strikes

Robby 2:26

Yeah, okay. I I I find it um, you know, I used to be like that. I used to be like, I don't really care about this. Like it's not gonna, it's not gonna change what I do in my day-to-day. But I think, and and if you haven't caught on yet, we're talking about what's just happened with the US and Iran. Um, and yeah, I used to think the same way. I used to think, like, who cares? Like, oh, you know, what's gonna happen to us? Like, nothing's gonna happen. Our economy's gonna be, yeah, it's like who cares? It's like it's not gonna change what I do tomorrow morning.

George 2:56

Yeah, correct.

Robby 2:57

Uh, but maybe, I don't know, maybe I'm just getting old, George. But this stuff seems to grab me more now.

Nuclear Claims And Collateral Damage

George 3:03

I think there's an there's definitely an element of it, of you getting old, like in in how you're thinking and feeling for sure. But I I mean, let's look at the reason. So, from what I understand, I'm not a I'm not a I'm not claiming to be any sort of expert in the space. Yeah, yeah, we're just here to have a we're just here literally having the conversation about it because it is fresh and it is um happening as we speak. So, from what I understand, last 48 hours. Yeah, that's right. So the states now have hit uh Iran based off the fact that the main reason that they did it was to stop the threat of nuclear programs and missiles and bombs that they're gonna develop and make. And that's the logic behind, hey, you're not allowed to have these things.

Robby 3:47

Which was the the reason they supposedly hit them seven months ago.

George 3:51

Yeah, correct. Correct, and they're doing it again. Maybe they restarted and they got intel that oh, these guys are still fucking around. Now, look, to a degree, I mean, again, I don't live in Iran, I don't see anything that happens there, and I'm sure there's two sides of the coin. But based off what I've seen in media, and again, is that a great source from speaking to people? Like, do you really want people like that, extremists, to have access to nuclear weapons hitting the Western world? Probably not. So arguably, if you're gonna say if everything is true that Trump is saying, he's done the right thing. Yeah. Yes? I think I have to agree with that. If everything is true, if you're gonna say yes, you are 100% bang on with your intel, with everything you're doing, then hey, bombs away. The problem with not the problem, I mean, in any war, in any sort of conflict like that, it's the political leaders aren't the ones that are gonna get fucked up.

Robby 4:50

No, it's gonna be the people with his heater on.

George 4:54

That's right. The person that's sitting there watching TV, sitting at a cafe, at a hospital, at a school, at whatever, the collateral damage that follows that is the real tragedy with all of this, because it's world leaders sitting behind a nice comfortable chair or a nice comfortable desk with heating and cooling millions of miles away, they can just press a button and say, Cool, go fuck these guys up. You know what I mean? They're the ones that are determining the lives of the soldiers, of the civilians, of everyone in the world, just because of is it ego? Do you know what I mean? Is does that come into play? Is it Trump flexing saying, Look how fucking big and strong I am, and and a message to everyone else, don't fuck with America? It's not. I don't know. Uh I the the picture there because he did say that. I don't know if you did you see that speech email?

Robby 5:40

That's Trump being trumped.

George 5:42

It's just saying our military, our military might, no one can compete with that.

Is Trump In Charge Or A Puppet

Robby 5:47

But no one's been willing to you never seen a government willing to do this until me. Blah blah blah. And dude, what is it true? No, uh who else has done it? Well, they didn't do the same thing in Iraq and Afghanistan, I don't know, all that jazz. Back when uh 9-11 isn't this the same thing. It's the same fucking battle that's been happening for hundreds of years. Yeah, like it's isn't this the same story again and again? Yeah, Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. Yes, blah, blah, blah. We need to go in there and we need to make sure that you know they don't. Yeah. Uh the Taliban in Afghanistan, we need to go in there and get this regime changed and blah, blah, blah. Which is which is the two excuses they've used. I uh by the way, Trump completely lost me here. Yeah, oh really? Trump completely lost me. Wow. You know why?

George 6:32

I didn't believe oh okay, yeah, go.

Robby 6:33

Because I think these aren't his decisions and he's a puppet.

George 6:36

Yeah, that's interesting too. I've never, I've never say again, the conspiracy theories that go behind that. I don't know if he's the puppet, right?

Robby 6:42

Absolute puppet, yeah, dude. Puppet. Puppet, puppet, puppet, and you're more Why do you say that about him though?

George 6:48

Like, what gives you the idea that he's a puppet and he's not the instigator?

Robby 6:52

Why how about the fact that he put up a tweet 12 years ago that says Obama's gonna go and attack Iran because he's got poor negotiating skills, and now you couldn't negotiate you couldn't negotiate a deal. But maybe maybe he couldn't.

George 7:04

Dude, listen, hey maybe he goes, Oh fuck, I thought I could and I can't now, so I'm gonna bomb these blokes.

Robby 7:09

No, because uh if you look at the so this is my I don't know much about Iran, yeah, just to be clear. I don't know what the regime is about. Uh supposedly it is very extremist. That's what the the media paints the story of. I've never looked into it. Um but here's where I'm torn. You got one side is like cool, these are these are complete extremists, blah blah blah. And they're like, okay, well that doesn't seem right. But then like it all this information coming out with the Epstein tiles. Yeah, it's like so you so you're either with the terrorists or the the child molesters who pick pick your side, yeah. Pick your poison. I know this is the world we live in, dude. Like this is real life. Do you know what I mean? Like that's they're our options, they're your leaders, bro. Take one, yeah. You know what I mean? You're gonna go down the extreme muzzy route, or you're gonna go down the Western world child molesting that's all come out now.

George 8:08

And yeah, exactly.

Robby 8:09

You know, everyone famous's names on these lists, and it's fucked up. Have you have you looked into the F scene files or not? No, not since we lost the.

George 8:17

I don't know if I I don't think this is directly related, but I think it's it's I there's an element of it. Is it just like the most powerful people in the world, right? The guys, the the people that they say is in the background, you know, they just do it for because there's nothing else for them. There is nothing, they have got so much wealth, so much power, and it's like, what's the most fucked up thing that we could do to bring me any sense of life?

Robby 8:40

You know what I mean?

George 8:40

Like chasing some sort of something, yeah, some sort of a buzz, as fucked up as that is, right? Maybe that buzz for them is go, let's cool, let's just try to blow this country out of existence. Let's see what happens there. All right, and let's go do this fucked up shit to women and children and people and all that sort of stuff. Let's just see if we get a buzz out of that and then just laugh about it with all our mates, and then when someone writes a fucking file about it and story, we'll just kill them too.

Epstein Files And Power Games

Robby 9:04

Yeah, I think it's it is it is wild, right? Um so the US and Israel attacked Iran, and now Iran's firing back. Yeah. And it's like you've just kicked off this thing where and supposedly, so uh they were in negotiations, okay? And then there's two sides of the story. So Trump says Iran pulled out, so we hit him. Uh Iran, Oman, Oman is a different country. Oman has come out and said Iran has agreed to have their facilities checked for the nuclear element. Yeah. They they Oman came out and said that 48 hours before the US attacked. I don't know. For me, I just think, man, like, you know, I thought you guys were doing the right thing in Iraq. Like, I thought I was under the impression that the way the media painted it, I was like, oh, like maybe they are extremely. I don't know. You know what I mean?

George 10:05

But they're like all this, maybe they're there for the oil. Like, maybe they're there for other reasons.

Robby 10:10

Oh, 100% there for that.

George 10:11

See what I mean? You go and speak, I've even heard stories from war vets that were there, and they're like, this was the greatest waste of time. Like, this was the thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And all that stuff. They said it was just a loss of life. There was fucking no reason for us to make it no weapons and nothing. Yeah, there was we never found anything. Is Iraq better off? I think no, fuck no.

Robby 10:29

Afghanistan.

George 10:30

Fuck no, none of those places are Afghanistan better off. None of those places. That's what I'm saying.

Robby 10:34

And then it's like, oh, you guys, you guys have a a playbook here.

unknown 10:40

Okay.

Robby 10:40

This is not about I have a question for you. This is not about regime change. You, if you this is my perspective. If you really want, like your thing is like we're really trying to make we can't have that, blah, go to North Korea. Yeah. Come on. Aren't you tough? Go to North Korea. Or what? They're they're those those guys are dangerous. Yeah, yeah. Now you're like, I can't. I'm not gonna fuck around. Yeah, I'm not gonna fuck around with these guys because North Korea's Kim Jong un. That's it. Not messing with him. That's it. Do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 11:07

Have you seen his haircut? Yeah. It's a real deal. I've seen it because he makes everyone else get it too. Look, I've thought about getting it.

Robby 11:14

I might get it now. Just didn't just in case. Just in case no, but like that's my I don't know, that's my perspective, dude. And then it's like I'm not saying Iran's right. That's not what I'm saying at all. I don't know anything about that. But I'm saying, like, I don't think the US is right here, man. I I I genuinely I don't think I don't think this is Trump. That's the truth.

Oman, Negotiations And Motives

George 11:36

I think he's a puppet. I think if he's the puppet, then this is what I'm saying about the the superpowers of the world is there's someone bigger and more powerful than the president of the United States that's telling him what the fuck to do. Do you know what I mean? That's that's that's full on thinking about that. But there must be. Why must there be? Why can't he be in the room telling everyone else what to do? Because I think he seems that way inclined. He seems like he would be the bloke that would stand in front that would sit at the head of the table and saying, Every one of you motherfuckers listen to me. This is what we're doing. Yeah, also, and I don't think it would be a puppet, he would be the puppet of someone else more powerful than him. Like, what's he got to lose? He's he is the most powerful, yeah. Like, why he's the most powerful person in the world, isn't he? Like, that's what I'm saying.

Robby 12:19

That's the picture that's painted. I get at 100%. Okay, so like, um, and like I I I don't know, no, I don't I don't think anyone really knows what it is, but there's all these conspiracy theories. I try not to delve into them, but like you you don't know, dude. You say what's he got to lose? What if they say, hey, last time we hit your ear? This time we won't miss. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Like last time we purposefully hit your ear. That was not that was not by accident. By the way, I just remember something really full on this. Well, did you see the whole thing that Trump did around chat GPT? No, not you haven't seen it? No, not at all. Oh my god, dude. So the other day, like this is last 50, 60 hours. Yeah, right. Trump put out a thing saying if you use anthropic, you should stop using anthropic. The American government is choosing to go with open AI for everything moving forward. I've just finished a deal with Sam Altman. The people are at Anthropic, Anthropic is clawed. Yeah, cool. People at Anthropic are horrible. Wise blah, blah, blah. It's an American company, Anthropic. That's a good question. I got no idea. I'm pretty sure.

George 13:26

I'm gonna ask chat.

Robby 13:27

Yeah, ask. Um, anyway, goes off, goes off on Anthropic, and then the guy from Anthropic comes out and said they said to him, What happened? And he said, The government wanted us to have fully autonomous weapons, and we weren't willing to do it. Yeah, well he's like weapons that can fire with no human no human involvement. He's like, and we weren't willing to do it.

George 13:50

And then it's like so then Ape open AI is.

Robby 13:53

I don't, but he could be lying. I don't know. How do you know who's telling the truth to yeah?

George 13:57

Well, it is an American company, chat just told me.

Robby 14:02

Use chat to ask anthropic.

George 14:05

Um isn't that wild? Yeah, it is. So bottom line, yeah, it's uh AI based in San Fran. Yeah, interesting. There you go. Yeah, so then it's like, okay. So there's a company that has morals about itself.

Robby 14:21

Anthropic. Yeah.

George 14:22

Yeah, but so saying that we're not we're not willing to use our powers.

Robby 14:26

But then you go speak to like uh you hear Elon Musk, and Elon Musk says the people are anthropic are all thieves. Yeah, because yeah, there you go.

George 14:32

Yeah, and it's like is he and Trump still punching on? Are they still are they BFFs?

Robby 14:38

I don't think they're BFFs, though. Out out of that window. Well, Trump uh Elon Musk came out and said Trump's on the Epstein list.

George 14:45

Oh, he said that.

Robby 14:46

Yeah, some time ago, and it's turned out to be correct.

George 14:49

Yeah, there you go.

Protests, Corruption And Accountability

Robby 14:50

Clearly. But then it's like, what sort of country are you if your president is on this list of this guy who was a horrible human and they were associated, and you guys are just like, cool, let's forget that one.

George 15:03

Um let's just ignore that.

Robby 15:04

Yeah, but like, or let's not let's release the files, but let's redact a bunch of information. And then it's like, well, why are you hiding? Who are you you guys threw Bill Gates? Have you seen they threw Bill Gates under the bus?

George 15:13

I heard, I didn't say, yeah.

Robby 15:14

They threw Bill Gates under the bus. And it's like you're throwing the guy who was the richest person in the world for a so long time. Like a you know, a couple of decades, and created a computer system that supposedly changed life as we know it. And you guys are just like, oh, we'll use him as the scapegoat. Yeah, he's a scapegoat. Go have this, yeah, have Bill Gates. Who's told that? Who's the guy that said give him Bill Gates?

George 15:43

Like a video game. Do you know what I mean? It's like you're in control of the the pieces and just moving the walls, moving the things, moving the controversy.

Robby 15:50

But then it's like, well, what else what are we doing here? What are we doing? We're just plebs. Probably.

George 15:56

Just fucking do what you gotta do. It's it's um yeah, it's wild. Let me ask you a question. Sure. So let's just pretend that Darwin's the closest and easiest target. Let's just say that gets hit by someone. Iran. They just say, fuck these Aussie guys. Yeah. They piss me off. We're gonna send a couple of things.

Robby 16:19

That's right.

George 16:19

So we're gonna get we're gonna get Aussies now. All right, just because these two blokes.

Robby 16:23

Yeah.

George 16:24

And they hit them, and then your mate Albo comes out and says, Right, time to conscript. Time to what? Conscript. Conscription. You don't know what conscription is? No. It's when they force civilians to go to war.

Robby 16:38

Oh, okay.

George 16:39

Yeah. So um would you bear arms for this country? No. Yeah. I don't think I would either. Because we're at we're at the age where we would go. Maybe not me, I'm 40, I'm fucked, but you're you're I'm associated with the four-year. So yeah, would you bear arms? So say, uh and look, in all in all fairness, this is gonna upset other people. Yeah, 100%. How unpatriotic are you? You wouldn't go and defend your country. Well, like who am I representing here? Because fucking Albanese, fuck that guy. He's the worst, he's one of the worst fucking cunts on the planet, right? And I'll say that. Hey, hey, hey, fucking with a C, not even a K. Like I'm genuinely, he's a sh is a shit's leader. And now I and this is what I'm saying. The world leaders are sitting behind a desk dictating what every single person, be it army, civilians, whoever it is, have to do. They don't care of loss of life. They'll sit there and make a speech at the end of it, tragic, and this and blah, blah, blah, and sad and all that sort of shit. But you're telling me now for the best way to do to protect my family is to go overseas or to go somewhere and shoot people and risk my life to kill them for uh someone else's agenda.

What Would You Fight For

Robby 17:49

Um, you follow there's this guy I follow who is called his Instagram handle is the Sar uh Saratorial Shooter or something like that. I don't think I do follow him. And he's this bald uh I think I know who you're talking about actually now. Yeah. And he lives in Dubai. Dude, and the the stuff he puts out about this is what's what's his ha handle? Saratorial shooter or something like that? V-S-A-R. Come on, bald dude. I still don't know his name. I just know his Instagram handle.

George 18:24

Yeah, yeah, 604 followers. 604?

Robby 18:28

Oh, okay.

George 18:30

Yeah, I I've never actually seen this bloke ever.

Robby 18:34

Uh cool dude, cool dude. He puts out just like super helpful ex-detective uh Ozzie, who now lives in Dubai. Yeah, drives a Porsche. Drives a Porsche.

SPEAKER_02 18:49

And a Mustang.

Robby 18:50

He just puts out he puts out really and a Ferrari. Okay, so he's got some coin as well. Yeah, he seems like he's done well for himself, however he's done it. Yeah. Um, but he just tends to share some really, really good uh helpful content around particular things like this. Or whenever there's like a crisis in the world. A lot of people, him included, he's saying this is all theatrics.

SPEAKER_02 19:11

Yeah.

Robby 19:12

He's like, this is all smoking mirrors. Yeah, he's like, it's all for theatre. He's like, what do you see? Oh, smoke.

George 19:17

Well, that's a thing, right? It's like why we're just being shown and we see what we want, what we what they want us to see. Yeah, it's propaganda. That's what I mean. Like, there's nothing, there's no level of us doing a like No, it's like getting a even even when someone says, Hey, I know that this was a rot, come on, man. Like, how the fuck do you know that? Why? Because you got an inside scoop, were you there and the desk and source Trump sign it and say, hey, fuck these guys, it's gonna be funny. Do you know what I mean? Like, no one knows any of that shit. That's why it's so hard to believe. As ridiculous as it sounds to be like, hey, we're just gonna go bomb this country tomorrow, it's as just as ridiculous to to say the reason they bombed a country is because there's some mastermind puppet behind the scenes controlling Trump. Like, how do you know any of this? It's all conspiracy, isn't it?

Robby 20:03

Yeah, so conspiracy is a conspiracy until it's been proven, right?

George 20:06

Yeah, that's right. But how do but how's it ever get proven? That's what I'm saying. There's so we're only being shown what we want what they want us to see, and then it's a level of, well, anything else outside of that, how credible is the source?

Robby 20:19

So what do you do? Just ignore it.

George 20:22

And that and that's partly probably why it gets a minimal amount of my energy. Yeah, so you so you just ignore it? I I think so, yeah.

Theatre, Propaganda And Not Knowing

Robby 20:32

But don't you think if everyone did that, that would be a problem? I'm sure it could be, yeah. Like if everyone was just like, uh, we're never gonna know. So let's just are they touching kids? We're never gonna know. So let's just like like wouldn't that become part of the issue? You would want, yes, I think so. Do you wouldn't want people to push back on that?

George 20:50

Like you know what I mean? As much as yeah, but it's like the masses, especially in Australia. Like, do you think people would do stuff like that? Go and protest over that? And if they did, like it's think about all the protests that they had recently about immigration and during COVID and all those things that they did. Did any of that make any change whatsoever in anything? Did nothing. It's done nothing. The other there's there's so little consequence in this country, particularly, I feel. You know, the other day they were saying they've blown$15 billion on construction projects in Victoria.$15 billion, and they say the real figure's close to 30. Like, where are the heads rolling on that? Where are the heads rolling through the politicians? Why isn't there a l element of your fucks on construction projects just over budget?$15 billion. Yeah, government spending. Like the projects went over budget by that much,$15 billion or something. And like, why isn't there a level of they're saying it's got to do with uh uh the the union corruption and a whole range of other things as well, but whatever whatever it was, whatever it was, like why isn't there any accountability when it comes to that? I think that's corruption's. On every level. Yeah, I'm sure there would be. I'm sure there would be. But the then eventually stuff comes out like this, right? Like this has come out. Okay, we've there's$15 billion that we've been let's not accounted for. That's over budget. That's this, that's this, that's this. It's there. It's money. We can see it. There's a budget, and it's no, it's gone over by that much.

Robby 22:17

Yeah, but so don't you think don't you think these people are sworn in? Like, for example, I I I'm just gonna no idea what about what I'm about to say, but like I'll give you an example of how that could play out. So you talk about all these taxes and all this other jazz.

George 22:30

Like you've heard about the whole thing about uh the gases, Australia's natural but we're not getting money for him, blah blah blah.

Robby 22:37

Give it away for free, all that's but it's like that could be all controlled by us being part of the Commonwealth, and then they're like, hey, we gave you guys this land, we helped you, you know, colonize and take over Australia, and part of that deal is you're gonna shut your mouth and you're gonna give this money to the to China. And then it's like when you get sworn into prime like to become a prime minister or something like that, you can't do anything about it, or it's just it's hidden. So you you can bury people with documents. They released 4,000, 3,000, 4,000 Epstein, whatever the fucking four million, some stupid number do. And it's like, who the fuck's gonna go through this? Like you would need an army to get through this properly and have a strategy to pull this all apart and work out what's happening, but they're like, fuck it, just throw everything at them and just swamp them. I could just make it so much that you're not willing to, yeah. I'm not gonna go through fucking four million files. Yeah, I don't know you, I've got fucking other shit to do.

George 23:38

Yeah, or it's political suicide for them to even touch it. They look at it and they won't even get the next election or get a lookout or get kicked out early, as they do have done so many times here. Yeah, could be an element of that.

Travel Risks And Daily Fallout

Robby 23:49

Do you know what I mean? And it's like it's like you don't I think we can't, or we fail to comprehend the level of corruption that might actually be happening on something like that. The same thing with this, right? Like we fail to comprehend the level of corruption. Let me I'll I'll flip the script, right? I don't know what's going on in Iran. It could be a cook country, it could be a great country, I've got no idea. I know most Iranians who have left tend to not like it.

George 24:17

Left the country? Yeah, tend to not like it. Is that because they've come, are you saying to come here?

Robby 24:22

Yeah, like if you meet most Iranians here in Australia, um, they tend to not like what's happening in the country.

George 24:31

Yeah, but it's also you look at what's happening here and what the country's like here, it's a pretty amazing place to live. Yeah, you know, so comparatively you're like, oh fuck. These were the issues back there. Look how good I've got it here. I'm sure there's plenty of countries like that. I'm sure India is very much like that.

Robby 24:47

As in they would be happy if it got overthrown. Like they're celebrating, they're celebrating what the US did.

George 24:54

Yeah, some of those people.

Robby 24:55

Yeah. Okay. So is that like okay? So is he doing a good thing? Yeah, but then there's the other script. There's other script, there's people mourning.

unknown 25:03

Yeah.

Robby 25:03

But like, let me give you a because like we don't know what's happening in Iran. We got we don't know. That's the truth. Um, you I think these people would know, you would feel like that. Uh I'll give you another example. October 7th. The whole thing around the Jewish do you know what happened on October 7th? You don't know anything about October 7th.

George 25:27

If you tell me the if I don't know the actual date, but if you tell me what happened.

Robby 25:30

Israel, Palestine, yeah, yeah, yeah.

George 25:32

Yes.

Robby 25:33

Palestine went into Israel.

George 25:35

But I wouldn't have known the date. If you said me, hey, what date did that happen? I'm like, no idea. But yeah.

Robby 25:39

So that happened on October 7th, a couple of years ago. When that happened, the people who felt they had been oppressed by Israel were celebrating what was happened. Is that okay? Because most people condemn them. They're like, man, like there's been people murdered and you guys are sitting here celebrating, but then this is the same thing. Isn't it? Yeah. And it's like Imagine you're in a country that we are controlled by Western media, whether you like it or not, dude. Like we're controlled by Western media. We uh certain things are portrayed to us in a way where we're like, okay, that must be it. Media is control, dude. Like when you control someone's narrative, the propaganda, you have full control of what that person thinks. I could make like I if I went all out, let's just say, for example, you didn't have access to my audience, right? I could sit there and say, George is this, George is that, blah, blah, blah. Don't trust. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then all my audience would sit there and say, Oh, that's must be true.

George 26:44

Yeah, like he's so close to him, literally sees him every day. He must know.

Who Pays The Price In War

Robby 26:47

If this this is what he's telling us, and we trust this source, he must be right. Now, imagine the flip, the script was flipped, and you were in a foreign or a a not Western country, and they had painted America as this horrible place that uh, you know, uh is bullying other countries and going in and you know, taking over land and and taking leaders from countries and murdering leaders, which they've done in the last 25 years. They've murdered leaders in Afghanistan, leaders in Iraq, leaders, and you can say they're all horrible people. I don't know. You could be right, you could be wrong. But they paint that picture, and then someone goes and bombs the White House, and then you're celebrating because that's all you know. Are you wrong? Do you get what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. Like that, and that's the that's the that's what we're seeing right now. It's wild, dude. I find it so mind-boggling. You know what I mean? And it's like I don't even matter in this fucking story. You know what I mean? Like a fucking fucking viewer on the other side of the fucking world, dude. On the other side of the world, and that's all popping off there right now, with people saying, Go shoot this and go do that, and fly these jets and go drop these bombs, and yeah, and bombs being like uh rockets being intercepted mid-air. I know, right?

George 28:14

I mean, it's pretty full on like looking at some of the footage.

Robby 28:18

It's wild. It's wild.

George 28:20

There's an element of me thinking, like, imagine if you were there now, too. Imagine you're just chilling out on a balcony and just seeing planes fly over and bombs being dropped a block away and seeing shit explode and hearing bangs. And it's like that could happen on your house, you know, or wherever you're sitting, these apartment block full on.

Robby 28:37

But they're they're they're intercepting them pretty well, uh, supposedly in Dubai, yeah.

George 28:41

Yeah, they're I mean, I was looking at uh I was looking at footage of people in Dubai saying you could like they're showing the rockets, but like, yeah, we feel safe, you know, our system's all good and all that sort of shit. They're just living their life doing their thing. Um, but you know, look, so what's the I'm looking at some stuff that could be the flow and effect for for Australia, right? Yeah, or this world. Yeah, and the world. But you know, you're talking about international travel, so now it's like okay, we'll dude.

Robby 29:04

Did you hear about the the the flights that were on route to Dubai? No, I haven't. On route to Dubai, six hours in to turn around and come back.

Superpowers, Alliances And Red Lines

George 29:11

Yeah, there you go.

Robby 29:12

To Melbourne. Yeah, like Melbourne flights on route to Dubai. Yeah, imagine it. On a plane, I'd look, I'd be happy. Oh, without a doubt, I would say like thank you.

George 29:20

Yeah, like it's happened here, not when I just landed. Yeah, you don't want to be there because apparently they've cancelled all flights out. They haven't, they're not letting flights take off from Dubai. I think that'll come that won't take long. I hope so because I've booked to go Europe this year, so it's uh it's stopping off in Dubai.

Robby 29:37

Nah, I I I reckon flights will be back on by the end of the week.

George 29:40

Yeah, yeah, let's hope so. But I mean, fuck, back of your mind now, isn't it? For sure. What's to say? What's to say? And they just release a rocket and out she goes. Um see the civilian plane, people just en route to Europe, nothing to do with anything. You know, and it's like they're the people that suffer with all of this stuff. Not saying just anyone, just any civilian. They're the one, they're ultimately the ones that pay the price.

Robby 30:05

Okay, so three people, three, three, there's three families right now in the States somewhere who they had a son or daughter. I'm assuming it's a son, but could be a daughter, I guess. Um, but most likely they had a child who said, I want to go and be in the army. And they were like, Alright. And now their child has gone and sat in the army somewhere and been uh put into one of these bases somewhere in the Middle East, and that person's that that family now, those three families, have now had their lives changed forever. Trump doesn't care.

George 30:45

He'll just say how brave they were and amazing. He didn't do it. That's it. Yeah, that's what I mean.

Robby 30:49

He even said there's probably gonna be more.

George 30:51

And he said that too. I heard that exact same thing. There's gonna be more. He goes, but that's the cost we're gonna pay for our freedom and this and this and blah, blah, blah.

Robby 30:58

And it's like Iran will do nothing to him, bro. I don't know.

George 31:00

Yeah, and 12. Who knows? But maybe they were doing the nuclear bombs. Maybe they were researching, maybe they were getting them ready. Maybe like maybe like Trump, we should be thanking him. It could be it could be. You can't deny it either way. Like, how do you deny? How do you say yes or no?

Getting Older And Getting Political

Robby 31:19

You can't you think you so you think this is Trump's doing? That's the difference. I I could there's nothing, there is nothing that could convince me this is Trump's doing.

George 31:28

I don't know. I just I don't know. And that's I can't comprehend there being another superpower on top behind the behind him and he's a puppet. Seems amazing, it seems pretty far-fetched.

Robby 31:40

I don't know, man. Like hands down, yeah, 100%. 100%.

George 31:47

Yeah, because you credible source. I know. I don't know these.

Robby 31:50

Okay, there is no way in the world he's he has no what's what's his intention? I'm going to change the regime in another country that has nothing to do with me. Come on, bro.

George 32:00

He's rage, his his idea is to protect America. That's it. That's all it's ever been. And for him to do so, he's attacking another country that threatens their way of life.

Robby 32:09

Has uh how many times has Iran attacked America?

George 32:12

I know, I know.

SPEAKER_02 32:13

Like, I'm I don't know. I'm just and here's the thing.

Robby 32:16

Let's pretend they go for 100%.

George 32:18

Let's pretend that's they don't.

Robby 32:21

I get it. I get it. I think out of it. They're in debt. America's in debt, yeah. Everyone's in debt. Yeah, but they're in like like really like gonna go under tanking kind of debt.

Audience Invite And Open Debate

George 32:30

Yeah, you know what I mean. I'm sure Australia's not far behind with our fucking$15,$15 billion projects going over budget. Yeah. But um, you know, you they're talking about all this aspect of shit, right? And stopping extremists and all that sort of shit. Now imagine you're you're in Iran and you got planes flying overhead and dropping bombs everywhere, and one lands on a school, and it kills or there's a father there, and it kills his entire family, and he's the sole survivor. You're telling me that guy isn't gonna sign up to whatever the fuck anyone wants him to do to blow up America? Yeah, every fucking day of the week they are. And so they're almost creating the extremists they're trying to stop.

Robby 33:11

Yeah.

unknown 33:12

Yeah.

George 33:12

You know what I mean? It's just it's a it's a war that's never gonna end. Like, where's the peace in this? Where does this stop? Where does it become, oh, okay, no, no, you yeah, cool. Let's call truths, that's it. It's never gonna end, it never has in my lifetime. There's always been this war, and there's always been something going on with those Arab countries or whatever it is in the Middle East. It's always been there, and it's always going to be there, I feel like that's the sad part about it. It's never gonna be like, cool, let's just all be friends.

Robby 33:42

Yeah, and uh I I would love to learn more about like why would and maybe they are maybe maybe the the rulers of Iran, maybe they're just crazy, and maybe they are that crazy, and and yeah, maybe Trump is a hero. I doubt what I'm saying, but um you can't put it without a shadow of a doubt, dude. How man? How can you sit there and say a hundred percent it's this is not Trump's doing? But how can you say that? How do you say this is 100% Israel? Like with you think you think Trump chose to go and say, hey, let's go and bomb them. That's a common man. Like this is if if your unawareness of this shows how much you don't follow. Yes, yeah, like it is so many people are well aware that uh they even the strikes were even called US and Israel. Yeah, right. Like, do you know what I mean? Yeah. Um yeah, it's it's without a doubt, you know, and and be a fly in a room, eh? Oh, you'd love to be, wouldn't you? Wouldn't you just love to be? Even if you just it meant nothing, you just got to yeah, you just got to listen. Um you don't know, you don't know you. Trump might get a thing and they'd be like, hey, you need to go and say this.

Curiosity, Money And Diversification

George 35:00

Yeah, you need to do this. This is what you need to, this is what you need to go and have. I'm sure he's he look you listen to him speak, he's very he's got a lot of conviction in what he says. He's a good speaker, dude. Yeah, he's not like Biden that was falling over his own words. Nah, nah, he's he's very powerful with his message and what he says and how he says it's like.

Robby 35:21

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely. So he can go on and talk and talk and talk.

George 35:24

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. It doesn't give a fuck. It's like that address he did in pa in uh what was it, Congress the other day when he's he got everyone to stand up for this for the American people. Did you see that?

Robby 35:36

He got everyone to stand up. He went to he was addressing all America.

George 35:40

So you you were massive with the American politics a little while ago.

Robby 35:43

I was I I found it interesting and entertaining. I he I'll tell you what ticked me off with Trump first thing, the kind of thing that made me think like, oh, you might not be the person you're claiming to be, uh, when the first thing he did was sign off on plastic straws. It's like, well, you're trying to be remembered now, you're not actually trying to make serious change. Although, if any Australian politician wants to make some serious change, bring back fucking plastic straws.

George 36:09

Remember, went to the States? Yeah, it's great. That was fucking how good was it? Yeah, sitting there having a coffee or whatever, a nice coffee, and just drinking a straw.

Robby 36:16

And you can take your time, it's not gonna fall. How good's this? What a life. Um, yeah, that was like the first thing where it was kind of like, huh. Like, that's a weird, like, and you went, he went all out to make sure everyone knew he was doing it. Yeah, like, yeah, look, there's yeah, plastic straws. It's like, okay. And like good change, not a bad change. Um, but I guess the way he went about it. Uh, but so what does it mean for for us in Australia?

George 36:43

Oh, it depends how long this goes for and if it's a if it's a long-term play. I'm sure there'll be consequences with fuel prices, right? I'm sure we'll feel it at the Bowser. I'm sure there'll be economic pressures that come as a as a result of that. Could be additional power costs and whatnot. So it'll it'll affect uh definitely with travel. You've already seen it yesterday, as you said. Planes turned back. Do you think it'll affect the travel will be that'll definitely be on uh impact supply chains?

SPEAKER_02 37:12

But uh but we get most of our shit from China, so yeah.

Robby 37:15

So there's no direct probably not in a huge way, but China gets uh a large portion of its oil from the Middle East.

George 37:24

Yeah. Yep.

Robby 37:26

So that could then therefore I don't know.

George 37:31

I I I think even from a perspective of who walks away a winner from this, George? Oh, no one's gonna win. Yeah, Trump will say he has.

Robby 37:38

Yeah, Trump will also say this is his decision. Yeah, you know what I mean?

Trees, Media Control And Humor

George 37:43

Which you have on good authority, and it's absolutely not I've got a call. Um direct call. Yeah, I think it might just be a bit of even tension and just uncertainty from Australian people, just not knowing, you know, if just even thinking about traveling anywhere and and just their day-to-day lives, it just there's that level of uh there could be a level of anxiety with all of that as well that comes from this. Because I completely agree, man. That would be the worst. Imagine you landed in Dubai and then they're like, hey, you're not going anywhere. Yeah, you'd freak. You'd be like, Oh man, especially if I was with my family now and I'm like, Yeah, and then it's like all of a sudden there's rockets in the sky, yeah. And I'm like, where do I go? Like I I'd probably leave the airport first up. But where do you what what which hotel's safe? How do you know the decision that you make doesn't now really affect your family? And it's like you're opposite end of the world, like fuck. My missus would freak.

Robby 38:40

Yeah, and then you gotta handle all that. Um yeah, it's it's um wild. I can't work out why it's engaged me so much. I kind of looked at it and I was like, huh. Maybe I don't know, cause I've also been following the Epstein files. But it's like I I'm not a news guy, man. Do you? I heard there was I didn't I had to get told about this. I didn't know it happened.

George 39:07

I heard there was involvement with um Lebanon as well, with all this stuff going on. Do you feel any or have you heard anything from family or friends or anything like that?

Robby 39:18

My family lives in Melbourne.

George 39:19

I know, but do you have any Okay, but even then, like some people that I like I live here in Melbourne as well, but I would still feel a connection to Greece or if anything was happening there or whatever it might be, or might even have an opinion with that. Do you do you ever feel anything like that having your having a Muslim background in any way, like fuck those Americans, you know, shit like that? Do you ever have that perception of it or anything like that?

Robby 39:46

I don't have a hate for America at all. I like America, yeah. I'd I would go live in America.

George 39:51

Yeah, you've saying that. You're gonna do that.

Robby 39:53

Yeah, yeah. Like I think America's the you go there and it's like like my goal always and still is, it's like we want to crack the US market.

George 40:01

Yeah.

Closing Thoughts And Listener Callouts

Robby 40:02

Do you know what I mean? And um, I don't have any direct thing against like nah, not at all. But also, dude, I think they did a poll and 81% of Americans said uh Trump shouldn't have done what he did.

George 40:17

Yeah, okay.

Robby 40:17

Weren't in agreement with him. Yeah.

George 40:19

Well, I mean, he's not gonna get another term, so I think for him it's like who gives a fuck.

Robby 40:23

Fuck it, let's go out with a banger.

George 40:24

Yeah, that's it. I'll be remembered. That's probably a good thing, don't you think? They can only serve two terms as a president. That's a rule they've got.

Robby 40:41

It doesn't matter.

George 40:42

Because they're not in charge anyway.

Robby 40:43

They're not in charge anyway, dude. You think they're in charge, but you generally think they're in charge.

SPEAKER_02 40:47

I'd I guess I do.

Robby 40:49

You do?

SPEAKER_02 40:50

I guess I do, but I mean I got sources.

Robby 40:55

No, but um my cousin knows you know, someone can be listening to just be like, fuck, Robbie's a conspiracy theorist.

George 41:01

That's a little bit um tomorrow morning, the door's broken down in the office, they're going through all your files, and then I find out that you're in the Epstein files. Yeah, the Robbie files. Yeah, you're in them as well. They've planted it. They say, Look, he's been it since the beginning.

Robby 41:17

What is it? Why why do you think it's um captured me? Like if you had to try and put it down to like, because like to answer your question, that whole thing about Lebanon, like if I hear I would be less I feel like they're taking the piss. That's what I that's what pisses me off.

George 41:34

Who?

Robby 41:35

The US. Like, I feel like they're taking the piss now. Like, this is like, hey, you guys have done the same play three times in a row now, whilst I've been alive. I don't know what the hell you're doing before that. You know what I mean? But like, same play, same thing, uh, weapons of mass destruction, nuclear weapons, blah blah blah. It's like you guys find a reason, paint the reason to everyone, and then go and make take drastic actions. You know that um North Korea has nuclear weapons. North Korea gonna see a sick meme. You like this? Trust me. Um North Korea has serious weapons. Isn't that funny ass? I'll show it to the camera. I don't know if they can see it. Um it's a picture of Kim Jong un with his nuclear weapon saying when you have all the latest toys but nobody wants to play with you. Um I don't know. I don't know. Maybe I'm just um maybe I'm losing it, George. Maybe you're not busy enough. Maybe I'm not busy enough, yeah. Maybe that's what it is.

George 42:44

But uh but you're saying this it's a it's being played on different levels from what after having a chat with you, you know what I mean? It's not just what we're seeing. What you because I never honestly I would never would have thought I wouldn't be sitting at home watching the news, not that I ever watched the news because it's rubbish, but let's just say I did, and then I would think, ah, Trump's someone's telling Trump to do that. Of course. But the the the thought wouldn't have even come into my head. Yeah, even before this today.

Robby 43:12

So, how many people are in that same position? I'm sure I'm sure 99%. God bless you, Trump. Yeah, I'm sure.

George 43:21

I'm sure 99%. There'd be a very small percentage of people that would be thinking and dude.

Robby 43:28

Trump campaigned for I'm gonna end all wars. Like that was his whole campaign. Yeah, that's right. Do you know what I mean? I remember that. And then he he he sat there and said, I liked him because he was like, I'm gonna end the Israel Palestine, I'm gonna end up I'll end everything in the Middle East, blah blah blah.

George 43:44

And then now he's gone completely.

Robby 43:46

And it's like, what are you doing?

George 43:47

And it's like, well Well, it's not the first time a politician's gone back on their word, is it?

Robby 43:52

Yeah, but I just think he's I guess I'm giving him grace.

George 43:58

I'm giving him grace by saying. Someone told him. But based off what you're saying, every single world leader in on the planet is a puppet.

Robby 44:07

Nah.

George 44:07

Yeah, why what's the difference?

Robby 44:10

They're not all the same. America's a superpower, dude. Same as Russia. Same as China. Right? They are like, do you reckon China is run by someone?

George 44:23

But you're saying maybe their prime minister is I don't know.

Robby 44:26

I don't know enough about Chinese politics. But they control they control their narrative very heavily. You know, people in China, you don't they don't have Google?

George 44:35

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. No, I didn't know that. You didn't know that. Didn't not know they didn't have Google. You gotta fucking get off the times, man. Oh, well, I've never gone to China. You have. Yeah, what a place. Might have to. So now so you're telling me people in China are walking around saying we can't even Google it. Just a head, where what's the best restaurant to go to? Like, I can't even ask chat.

Robby 44:54

They don't have they got no what do they do?

George 44:56

They ask their supreme leader. So, hey, where where's the best fucking Chinese noodles in Bangkok? How do they find that information out?

Robby 45:07

Uh they've got different search engines.

George 45:10

Okay.

Robby 45:10

Yeah. They've got their own social media platforms. They're they're a whole different world. Like they live in a different their whole narrative is controlled. Yeah, right. They think Western society's fucked. I think. I mean probably offending every single Chinese person. You just um we just lost all our audience. Yeah, everyone just tuned out. Um I'm not 100% sure too. Uh but they are definitely a superpower.

George 45:34

I think I still want to go to China as well.

Robby 45:36

I don't think anyone's telling China what to do.

George 45:38

Yeah, okay.

Robby 45:39

I don't think anyone's telling Russia what to do. Now the question becomes here, and this is just I'll say it. I I you hope this doesn't happen. Like, what happens if China turns around and says, hey, America, back up. And then America says, hey. Hey, don't fuck around. Yeah, don't fuck around. It look, it'd be a sick movie. Um, it'd be a great movie. Uh but fuck man, like this is not a movie, this is real life.

George 46:10

Yeah, that'd be full on.

Robby 46:12

That would be full on. Or Russia turns around and says, hey. But yeah. I don't know.

George 46:20

I mean it would be world war then, wouldn't it?

Robby 46:22

But I think I think I'll say it, I don't care. Shit. Israel is in bed with America, dude. I think if at this point you don't think that like why hasn't America stopped Israel from bombing Palestine? Why? They don't even have oil. Do you get what I'm saying though? Yeah. And there's like, I think what's what's it's past a hundred thousand people that have died? Wild. I'm getting old. Politics is interesting me too much. I know. Getting old. I could do a whole episode about the Epstein files.

George 46:58

You should. I won't. I might just have to be uh I might just have to watch that episode. I don't think I can contribute to it. I might just sit here whilst you're talking about it and ask your questions.

Robby 47:09

Um I find it interesting, man. I find it interesting because then it just makes you think like, oh, this I don't really matter about it. Like none of anything that I'm doing matters. None of it. It's just all relevant. Like, you know what I mean? And then in your head you think, oh, fucking that bill. Gotta pay that bill.

SPEAKER_02 47:26

I know, right? It doesn't fucking matter.

George 47:29

Um not gonna matter. Nukes will be flying overhead soon anyway. Shit.

Robby 47:37

Shit is right. Um yeah, so hopefully hopefully this all kind of goes away and it's not a real most people are a lot of people some people are saying this is all theatrics and it's not a real ball, and it'll be all kind of dissipate over the next few weeks. But I hope they're right. Me too. It'll just make for a better world. Um, but yeah, that's our take. I don't know if that's been insightful at all, or just confused you, or made you think we're racist, or what's the other one people called us last time? You guys are idiots.

George 48:19

No, podcast pros. We're just podcast pros.

Robby 48:21

Yeah, or or that we're just podcast pros talking about but we are. Uh what is yeah, that's all we do. That's all I'm trying to achieve that title.

George 48:28

That's how I identify that's how I identify. When someone asks, hey, what do you do with yourself? I'm just podcast pro.

Robby 48:34

That's my LinkedIn title. Um LinkedIn job description. Um, yeah, I don't think I don't think there is any apart from like importing stuff, I don't think there's gonna be any huge, huge risk.

George 48:51

So tomorrow, so tomorrow, how much of your time are you investing in this this topic? And the day after, and the day after. Do you consume when do you do it? Will you consume it during the day, at night, when you're at home?

Robby 49:04

Um usually when I'm on the toilet. Or there.

George 49:09

Yeah. Otherwise, I'm working. That's what I mean, man. I that that's why I don't consume a lot of the shit, and people are laughing at me and saying, you know, Simon in my office always says, Oh, he doesn't know anything about anything. I said, I don't I just don't give a fuck. No, like outside of my world, and I get it.

SPEAKER_02 49:24

Is that a bad thing? What do you like?

George 49:25

What do I like? What are you curious about? Uh what are you interested in? Like, what are George's interests? Look, I'm interested in business, I'm interested in making money, I'm interested in winning, looking for opportunities.

Robby 49:38

What are you interested in that's not related to you?

George 49:39

That's not related to me. Yeah, but that's related to me. How that is that not related to me? It's I follow a sports team.

Robby 49:56

Yeah, but like so I'll follow UFC, but that doesn't relate to me.

George 49:59

Okay, yeah, well, I mean, yes, I love sports. I love football, I love uh the UFC, I like the F1, I like uh I like a lot of sports and watching them. Yeah, so I do like that aspect of it. Uh I'm enjoying fitness at the moment. I'm enjoying uh I enjoy learning. I mean, but that's related to me, sorry. What are you curious about? I'm curious at the moment, what I've really been like a lot of focus has been on for myself lately, has really been the investment space. I'm curious about that. Wealth creation, not just through my business, but other avenues at the moment. So I've been diving deep into that. Uh stock market, been looking at that, doing a bit more research on that these days. Following anyone specifically, not no one specifically at the moment, but just more market research and just looking up companies and seeing stuff there. And then also even development sites. So I've been speaking with a couple of clients and looking at some sites, trying to make them stack and see what I can do with that aspect of it. You know, it was Tony Robbins that recently, funny enough, got me thinking more about it, you know, saying so many people, you know, the the the number one rule of finance is not to put all your eggs in one basket of wealth creation is not to put all your eggs in one basket. It goes, too many people do that, and they're too reliant on that one thing. And then when that one thing turns to shit, it goes, then everything turns to shit. And that's what it was for myself at the time. I I think it was probably a level of maybe arrogance, um, and probably being a little bit naive. I had all my eggs in one basket with the business, not all of them, but a good percentage of the eggs in that basket, and then COVID comes around, it's a massive correction, and then you're sort of paying for it and fixing it since. In saying that, um, that's good. Like it was a lesson I needed to learn. So I'm I'm grateful for that and still swinging and still going now. But now it's just about me looking at other opportunities, and that's what I'm really interested in now. Just looking at the the cheat code. You call it a cheat code, in the sense of there's got to be a pattern there of that success, like success leaves clues. So, what's the pattern? What's the thing that needs to happen to achieve that? And it's I'm kind of seeing it like a bit of a game, you know, making the move. What's the move that's gonna pay off? That's what I'm looking at. That's I've got a bit of interest in that at the moment.

Robby 52:30

There you go.

George 52:31

What about yourself? That's not related to you.

Robby 52:34

This more looks like Epcine files, like has nothing to do with me. Like nothing, like no one my life does not change in any way, shape, or form by anything that happens in that space. Nothing. I don't sit there like, whoa, should do something different to happen. But I still find that interesting. Um yeah. I don't like movies though.

George 53:01

We know, but this is real life. We know. If there was this war movie though that happened, would you watch it? No. Did you watch the Oppenheimer movie?

Robby 53:09

No, someone mentioned that to me yesterday. Yeah. Japan.

George 53:12

It's probably Simon. No, it was um what's it? No, it's about the atomic bomb. Oppenheimer. But it's very Simon's watch it, he loves that sort of shit. But he was saying that it's uh very much a it was about the making of the atomic bomb, not the actual bombing aspect of it. Oppenheimer, maybe just recently my uh it came out maybe a couple years ago.

SPEAKER_02 53:34

Yeah, okay. I'll check it out.

George 53:35

Yeah, I don't believe you, but that's cool.

Robby 53:37

Yeah, I don't believe you. Um what the oh yeah. Um, well, on that note, I think this will air pretty quickly, but I hope this will air off our usual schedule, but we'll throw it in there just to get it in the mix while the topic is still raging hot. Um let us know what you think. Yeah, let us know what we've got. But what if you think we are complete idiots and you've listened to now, guess guess who's the fucking idiot? Nah, but if you if you've listened to this and you're like, man, these boys are gonna educated, send us the male. Send us the male. You know what? Hey, reach out and we'll get you on the pod. And let's have an open conversation, just as humans. We're not not we're not taking sides here. Um, but this is the thing, right?

George 54:26

I I I this conversation I've just had with you, I would have with friends. All right, and I'm sure many people would have this conversation. Yeah, many people would have this conversation where you don't need to be an expert in the subject matter to be like, oh, you can't talk about that. I would talk about something like this with my friends. We would have a conversation. Okay, maybe granted it won't go for an hour, maybe go for three hours. Who knows? Yeah, everyone gives their different opinions. You might have a friend who's Aussie, who's American, you learn stuff from Israel. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. You learn stuff, and then you start thinking about it. Okay, yeah, okay. So, for example, I thought Trump was ruling the world. You're telling me it's it's some bloke in the background or chick. Who knows? Who knows? I fucking just lobbed that one up for you. I lobbed that one up for you. I knew what you would say.

Robby 55:10

No, yeah.

George 55:11

Anyway, anyway, topic for another day. Um, so it's the conversations, and that's what's it that's what I like about it.

Robby 55:19

Also, we'd like to know if you like this sort of stuff. Like, do you want us to share our opinions about stuff outside of the regular stuff that we normally talk about as well? Particularly, you know, things that are happening in the world, world events, current affairs. Yeah, this is um we've got to be interested in it, at least one of us.

George 55:37

Yeah, that's a I I'm open to conversations, so whether I'm not interested in the topic or not is kind of irrelevant. I'll have the conversation which is interesting in itself. Because someone that might be really interested and have a passion for fucking peanut butter and comes on the show and talks to me about peanut butter, maybe I'll look at it and go, Oh, wow, that's really interesting. Maybe I will look at a jar of peanut butter completely different next time or whatever the topic is, ballet for fuck for full for fuck's sake, like anything. It can be a topic about anything as long as you can have an open conversation about it. It's gonna have some level of interest. No, I think as long as if the person's really interested in it, let me talk to you about plants. If you man, if you tell me some amazing shit about plants, I'll ask questions.

Robby 56:17

No, there's nothing amazing.

George 56:18

Hey, they make oxygen. Talk about plants. You go thank the tree, go outside our office and thank the tree right now for the air that you're breathing. Did you know trees talk to each other? I've had a conversation with them every day. With each other. Oh, with each other. Sorry. Did you know that? No. Ah, look, no, no. I mean, from unless I heard it in a movie or some shit like that, but no.

unknown 56:36

No.

George 56:36

Are you Googling it? No, no, I'll tell you. If you're in China, you couldn't do that.

Robby 56:40

You'd have to ask fucking There's a book uh called The Hidden Life of Trees, what they feel and how they communicate.

George 56:47

Is it written by Hippie?

Robby 56:49

No, it's written maybe. I don't know. I don't know who's the guy is. But uh I had someone recommend the book to me. I bought it, but I haven't read it. But uh, it's one of my books for this.

George 56:58

Is it a book? Is it a um metaphor or anything like that? Like the trees talking to each other is a representation of life and growth and all that sort of shit, or is it genuinely a this tree just said some whack shit to that tree? Don't make me come over there. Who knows? The tree said that.

Robby 57:16

Yeah, that's what I've said. Um I don't know. I don't know. Uh but it's got a tree on the front, so I assume it's about trees.

SPEAKER_02 57:24

Alright, let me know. I'll read it. Let me know if it's good and then I'll I'll keep you updated. I might watch a movie when they release it. Yeah, about trees talking.

Robby 57:35

On that note, uh thanks for listening. Again, leave your let us know what you think. Let us know what you think. Let us know if you think Trump's in control. Let us know if you think he made a mistake. Let us know if you think he's the greatest leader on the planet.

George 57:52

Let us know if you think we should be the leaders of the free world.

Robby 57:55

Yeah, if you if you if you vote for George, he'll make plastic straws.

George 57:58

Oh, it'd be the first thing I do. It'll be the first thing I do. I won't leave home without my plastic straw.

Robby 58:05

Just every day.

George 58:06

Just that box of them. I'll have a box of them in the in the presidential car. You know you can still buy them. It's plastic straws. I thought they were illegal. I thought you go to jail to not pass go.

SPEAKER_02 58:16

She's stuff illegal you can buy.

Robby 58:18

Oh, there you go. Uh, I don't know. Someone told me. Someone told me. So I heard so I heard. Friend of a friend. Um all right, guys. Thanks for listening. Thanks for tuning in, guys. Um, let us know what you think, and uh, we will see you on the next one. Peace out.