The Truth About Adult Friendships

How many people from your past are still “friends” if you’re being brutally honest? We start with a simple question about primary school and high school mates, then pull on the thread until it turns into a bigger conversation about adult friendships, effort, and the quiet moment you realize someone has drifted from close friend to acquaintance. We talk about the nostalgia of running into old mates, and why that feeling can be so strong even when you haven’t spoken in years.

From there, we get practical: what a real friend looks like, how reciprocity works, and why one-sided relationships eventually break down. We dig into how marriage, kids, work, and distance expose who will actually pick up the phone. We also unpack the “common ground” problem, because maintaining friendships as an adult often comes down to shared values, shared interests, and simple proximity. If you’ve been wondering how to make friends as an adult or why it feels harder than it used to, this will hit home.

Then we go straight at the modern twist: social media. It can keep you updated, but it can also trick your brain into feeling connected while your real relationships starve. We debate where the line is, when online connection becomes a substitute, and what you lose when you stop showing up in person. And yes, we also get into a spicy argument about whether men and women can truly be “just friends” long-term, plus what changes once someone enters a serious relationship.

If any of this made you think of someone you’ve lost touch with, take it as a sign. Subscribe, share this with a mate, and leave a review, then tell us: who are you reaching out to this week?

Transcript

ld Friends And The Nostalgia Hit

Robby 0:00

Do you have any friends from high school? Well, hold on. Do you have any friends from primary school?

George 0:07

Well. I was born in Australia. Just checking. I'm not that Greek. I'm pretty Greek, but not that Greek.

Robby 0:13

Um Do you have any friends from primary school that you're still friends with?

George 0:22

That I went to primary school with? So not like family friends or anything like that, but just like actually went to high school or primary school with them in the same class. I'm gonna go with that one. Primary school friends of people you went to primary school with.

Robby 0:37

Yeah.

George 0:38

I'm gonna say no.

Robby 0:40

So is there anyone that you went to primary school with that you know what they're doing at the moment? No. No one. High school? Yes. Still friends?

George 0:51

I don't see them regularly, but would I say I mean we almost have to define friends, but I would still pick the phone up and call them and say good day. Define friend. I don't know. It's I mean, it's a little it's probably might be a little bit different for boys and girls. I could I could pick up the phone and speak to one of the guys I went to high school with, and it'd be like, hey man, what's going on? Haven't spoken to you in ages, and just catch up on shit. And it's like I saw them yesterday. But do I see them regularly? No, not at all. Like throughout the year, I might see them maybe twice. I mean, there's guys I haven't seen in five years plus, and I would still pick up the phone and say good day. So I'm not a close, I wouldn't say they're close friends. I wouldn't say they're in my immediate group. But yeah, so I would say that they are they've almost become more acquaintances now, people I used to know. But um, you know, we I I would still pick up the phone and say good day, or send them a text message on their birthday or something like that. So I do have a few. And from that high from that group of high school friends, like okay, last year at the F1, funny enough, I went to the F1, and then after um one of my mates actually messaged me from high school, and he goes, Hey, we guys saw you're at the F1, like he saw a story on Instagram. And he goes, We're gonna be at the Elba Park Hotel after whatever it might be. He goes, Come down. And I went past, and six of my close high school friends were there, and I was like, Fuck, that's that I honestly the nostalgia was phenomenal. Like I felt like I was back in high school. Some of the jokes I was saying were still the same. It was just um, it was phenomenal just to see them all there in this in the one spot and catch up with all of them at the same time, and uh that was great. I loved that. Um, but you know, before that, it'd been years before since I'd seen some of them. Have you done it since? No. What no? Yeah, good question. I don't know. Did you just have a pretty smart face? I know I haven't I haven't put um yeah, I haven't put any priority behind it, I guess. Being distracted with uh life and everything else that's happened. I think to really maintain your friendships, you've got to you have to put effort into it. Yeah, I think um because it's so easy not to.

Robby 3:13

It's easy it's easier to not do anything ever with anything in life. Um what would can you define what is a friend? What is your definition of a friend? I guess everyone's different for everyone. You said before as well uh that it's different for men and women. What did you mean by that?

George 3:37

Oh, like I think the relation the relationships are de Yeah, no, the relationships are 100% different how they interact and how you talk, like in the sense of I could not see you for six months and then see you in six months and it's like I saw you yesterday. Do you know what I mean? And whereas a woman would be like, she doesn't fucking like me, she did what a bitch, she hasn't messaged me, she hasn't done all this shit. I couldn't give a fuck.

Robby 3:57

I will uh you don't you know those things of like what are the what's the hill you're ready to die on? Yeah, like in the sense of like what's the statement where you're like, hey, I will not change my mind about this. Yeah, yeah. I say this all the time. I'm like, you know, uh a lot of women say women relationships are deeper than men relationships, and I'm like, no, they're not. You got you guys are fake. Like you guys are best friends overnight and then worst enemies the next fucking day. Yeah, do you know what I mean? Like you guys are oh my god, my like you your your relationship is so fucking surface level, and then whereas your guy, like you said, you cannot see you cannot see someone you haven't seen for a year and then be like, hey man, fuck hey, like we're yeah, women will not do that. Yeah, we'll not do that, and I'll die on that hill, dude.

hat Counts As A Real Friend

George 4:42

That's true. I I believe that. I literally had a a family friend who I haven't seen in 10 years. We always used to speak, like he just lives on the other side of town, like an hour plus away. So we would speak, you know, every few months or whatever it might be, every six months, like, but there'd be a long period of time they haven't seen each other. Then he recently bought a jet ski and we called me up one day and says, Hey, I just bought a ski, do you want to go out? I said, Yeah. And then all of a sudden we've we've caught up a few times since, and it's been like nothing's changed. Nothing's changed. There was no bad blood, there was no nothing. It was just we're talking about life, the kids had all grown up, like 101 things that we were talking about, and it was like the old times. So, what's your what's your definition? What's a friend? Okay, so I would say, well, someone that you get along with, someone that you enjoy their company, right? And there is genuine like there, someone that has care for you and you for them, in the sense of they're not out to, as you said, be fake or anything like that. It's a genuine connection with another person, I think. That's that's what I look at. And I for me to be friends with someone, I'd want to have that genuine connection, I'd want it to be mutually reciprocated too. I wouldn't want it just to be a one-way street where we'd go out and it's just me giving or whatever it is in that relationship, it'd have to be the same, it'd have to go both ways, and yeah, someone you enjoy being around as well.

Robby 6:13

What else? Is that it?

George 6:14

No, because I think I I love my friends as well. There's a level of romance there, if you know what I mean. Like I genuinely care about the guys like my close mates. Yeah, and we we we I I I I make an effort with my close friends. I probably have five close friends from my uni days that we've we always try and catch up on a monthly basis, uh, at the very least. And you know, because especially when in the early days of marriage and kids and when everyone was having young babies and stuff like that, that was definitely lost. Like we went months, if not a year or so, without seeing each other because it was just we'd always talk, but it was just like we had young kids and it was just a completely different time in our lives. And then now that our kids are older, we're like, no, no, we've got to actually make the effort to be going out and booking dinners and going to do things together because I think it's so important to have those relationships outside of your home relationship. Do you have uh so you said there's five? Yeah, it's about five, like close ones. Uh that I'm talking about from guys that I went to like uni with. That I've been friends with for 20 years.

Robby 7:25

Do you have different groups of friends? Yeah, I would say I would. That you catch up with regularly.

George 7:30

Um no, no, like I wouldn't say as regular as those guys, but yeah, I I've got different groups of friends, and you make new friends as well. You know, I've recently connected with a a new guy, like a I'd say is a relatively new friend, and we go on walks every you know, every second week or every week when we can. We'll go walk to 10 just in the morning, just before work at like six in the morning, and we just talk work, we talk business, we talk lifestyle, we'll talk a whole range of things. So it's good to have that connection every now and then. Um, you know, when we were in part of a business group, we have made some new friends and new connections there as well. I mean, we've become friends through that as well. This isn't just a working relationship, you know. I'd give you a buzz if I had a question that wasn't work related. Uh, I enjoy hanging out with you outside of work, I enjoy doing this podcast. Like if I didn't enjoy your company as tough. Yeah, this would be very hard. It'd be very hard. Like, I I genuinely like we when we go to events like interstate and shit like that, that's kind of like getting away with your mates, you know. I I have that connection with yourself. And I think if we didn't have a friendship like that, this podcast would be very hard to do. It it would be a task. Yeah, it'd be tedious. Yeah, it'd be oh fuck it. Yes, like a drive, like a meeting. Yeah, exactly right. And yeah, I reckon that's um that's important to have that connection, that level of connection with um with people. I think that there'd be different relationships across the board though.

Robby 9:00

Yeah, did you find um because sometimes you can meet someone and you're like, hey man, like this person's quite cool or smart or whatever it is, and you're like, but you don't you never really foster that relationship. Why why do you think that happens? So I'm sure there's people you've met where you're like, you know, good person or good bloke or yeah, yeah, good chick, or whatever it is, and but you never really get to or you might initially, you know, and then you're like you're hanging out a few times and then it kind of fades. Yeah. Why does that sort of happen? Or why do you think that happens?

George 9:41

Well, maybe the connection's not really there. If it's if it's really, if it sort of fades, or maybe it's one party that feels that way and the other doesn't. You know what I mean? So it could be an element of that. Do you have it could be just out of association that you're hanging out, as in your partners are friends, and then you kind of become friends?

Robby 10:00

Aren't all aren't all relationships by association? Like in the sense of maybe not an individual, but maybe a particular topic.

George 10:06

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure.

Robby 10:07

You know what I mean? For sure. Um, it's very like that there are certain things that'll test your friendship. Yeah. Like being in a different city.

George 10:17

It's like, let's see, like, are you really friends? Man, so true you said that. I've got that exact same thing.

Robby 10:23

Yeah, because that thing will really, really, really test you. Yeah, right. Like, okay, cool. Like uh let's just say, okay, if I disappeared for a year, would we how many times would we speak? Yeah, that's right. That's a good question. Yeah, yeah. It's like, okay, because then when they're there the whole time, it's way easier.

George 10:38

It's so easy, way easier. And that's probably uh that's probably something where we fail a little bit in our friendship, in the sense of I see you every day. So it's like, oh well, why do I need to hang out with Robbie outside of work? I see him every day.

Robby 10:49

Yeah.

George 10:49

Do you know what I mean? Yeah. So it's not not that I don't want to, so please don't get upset. I don't feel that way of it. But it's like, um, yeah, we see each other so often, it's like, okay, on a rare occasion, we'll go do something outside of work as well. But um, yeah, you know, I had a friend that I was I I'd considered in my close five group of friends, and he's been overseas, uh overseas, interstate for the last five, six years. No, more, probably like closer to ten years. And um, yeah, I felt at times that that relationship was very one-sided, as in you you reaching out to me. Yeah, correct, and them never to me. And it's like we live, we grew, we're not we live, we live his parents live close to me. Like when he comes to Melbourne, we're walking distance from each other and he won't call. Hey, like fucking call me. Have let's go for a coffee. What the fuck are you doing?

Robby 11:45

Yeah, it's like you know what I mean?

George 11:46

Why, why haven't you reached out? Yeah, and that that it annoys me, but then it's like when I see him, it's like completely everything's all normal. Like, I don't take it to heart, but there is a level of annoyance there with that. It pisses me off. And I've got to bring it up with him, actually. Maybe this is a good time. Segue, good segue. Yeah, hopefully you listening. And it's like, come on, man, what are you doing? What are you doing? And that, but then that sort of to me turns around and I'm like, all right, well, if this is one-sided, then I'm gonna stop trying. And then that's when I think relationships will start to go the separate way and they become acquaintances, someone I used to be friends with. What's an acquaintance? Uh, it's just someone you know in passing. It's not someone you would specifically call up and say, hey, let's go for a drink, let's hang out, let's do this, let's do that. So you would never reach out to an acquaintance? Uh no, I would, but would I consider them a close friend or anything like that? Like, I'm that's a thing. I guess are we talking of just a friend, a close friend? Like, is there categories with this? Is there levels to it? You make the rules. Yeah, I guess you do.

Robby 12:45

Yeah, but so like, okay, define it. Because then you just used definitions to separate, and that doesn't make sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I did. So define it. What's an acquaintance? Who no don't name it. Like, what's a uh what is who is someone what's the difference between an acquaintance and a friend? I had someone tell me the other day, he's like, uh, he's like, I I've got a big group of mates that I hang around. Yeah. He's like, one of the guys in that thing, this person's very direct. Yeah. He's like, one of the guys, he goes, We've all been mates since school. He's like, there's like, I think maybe 10 people. He goes, he turned to one of them and he goes, Hey, like, mate since high school. Now they're in their 30s. He's like, We're not friends, you're an acquaintance. And then the guy was like, What the fuck? That's fine. And then he's like, Yeah, he's like, he's like, the reality is if we didn't hang around in these circles, you and I would never fucking kick it. Oh, as in the human the human and the other person. Yeah, he's like, you and I would never hang out. Yeah. Uh and very direct. Oh, that's super direct. Yeah, that's upset. I'd be upset if someone said that to me. Yeah, but he's like, You guys, you never fucking call me. He goes, You never fucking want to like we never do anything.

George 13:49

And that's fair enough. Yeah. Yeah. I you know what? I kind of don't. He's just telling it as it is.

Robby 13:54

It's like it's like you just he goes, you don't we don't do anything. He's like, if I if I didn't hang around these people and you didn't hang around these people, you and I would never see each other. He's like, I'm happy to call you and whenever you want. Like, I'll I will call you. Uh it's not that I wouldn't. This isn't a malicious thing. I don't I don't dislike you. Yeah. He's like, but the reality is we're not friends, we're acquaintances. We're just here by association, and I can reach out to you, but we probably wouldn't call just a chat.

hen Friendships Turn One Sided

George 14:19

Yeah. I think that's a really good definition and a really good segue into that. I think that's fantastic what you just said. And I rate your mate for saying that. Because look, I had growing up, when I say growing up in my 20s, man, I had like a huge friendship group, and they were like different friends from different places. Like it was it was very diverse. And I at one stage I would have been like, man, I've got I've got like 40 mates. Like we all hang out on the weekend, all of us, and it's like different groups that'll be like because I went to uni, everyone was kind of from all over town, and then it's like I became friends with him who was friends with him, and then we'd all hang out, and then these groups would hang out. And then it's like we used to go down to the peninsula during the summer period, and there was like 30 of us, guys, girls, everyone. And it's like everyone knew everyone and brought new people in, and everyone would call each other, and you know, we'd all go to clubs and hang out, and it was it was a lot of fun. And I back then was like, Yeah, I'm friends with uh we're good mates with him, good mates with him. And it wasn't actually until I got married that that came to fruition, or that I had got into a serious relationship that it became apparent who was a close friend and who was an acquaintance, who was someone that was just there out of association and that we were French friends because it was convenient and everyone was together. But would I call you outside of work outside of that relationship, or would we catch up for a coffee outside of those circles? Probably not. And that was the real eye-opener for me. And that was actually quite tough for me at the time when it happened because I was like, Oh, you know, I thought I was good friends with these people, and I'm I'm actually not. Yeah, you um when I was in high school, and again, sorry, not bad people, no, no, not great people, it's got nothing to do with the it wasn't we didn't have a fight, we didn't do anything, it was just priority shifted, and then it was like, Well, are you really that good of a friend?

Robby 16:08

Yeah, it's like I used to have um I reckon there's probably a group of uh maybe eight to ten of us. Yeah, and I remember like coming out of high school, we used to still hang out after high school. We used to always hang out, right? And you think, nah, like you hear the story, it's oh you know, as you get older, you know, people get busy and you part ways, and they used to think, nah, not us.

George 16:32

Like, we're too close. I was that guy, man. Huh? I was that guy. I thought in high school I was gonna be friends with those blokes for the rest of my life, and it wasn't until I left the bubble of high school and realized there was a bigger world out there, other than that that little bubble of high school, that I was like, man, there's a whole new world out here. And you know, don't get me wrong, like once we got out of high school, still hanging out with my high school friends, we'll still go to pubs and bars and clubs and all that sort of stuff. But I I stopped playing football as well, and then it's that's when I sort of veered off and hung out with my friends from uni, and that's when I started to develop more deeper and meaningful relationships there. Whereas I think in high school you're kind of forced to be friends because that's who you're seeing every single day.

Robby 17:17

Yeah, but so so this is where I had this conversation with someone, and it's like, well, what is it that makes you friends? You need to have something that allows you to come together.

George 17:28

I think it, yeah, exactly. I think so too. You there's got to be a commonality there, there's gotta be common interests, there's got to be things that that light a spark of some sort that would have combinations, that you can have conversations around. Because on the other side of that, there'd be people that you meet that you don't get along with and you don't want to be friends with. Yeah. There's just people that you're just like, he's a weird guy. Like, I do not want to hang out with him. Oh, but uh other people they'd be like, oh man, you want to play Dungeons and Dragons? Let's go. Like, let's go do that on the weekend. I can't wait.

Robby 17:57

Yeah, so it's it's gotta be like a uh I think there's if to put it down to the simplest way, it's kind of like you have to have some level of value alignment.

George 18:06

Yeah.

Robby 18:06

So there's gotta be like, cool, we align on this particular thing, we like the same things, want the same things, whatever it is. Yeah, and then on the other side, there's gotta be some level of commonality in the sense of like cool, like we can do this together. Because when you don't have anything you can do together, it becomes very tough to to maintain the relationship. Like, imagine you don't see anyone by default, uh which by the way, like to have the like that's why imagine you have to go see imagine you have to go see your wife every time. Like she didn't live, like for example, and you're like, I gotta make plans every single time to go see her. Yeah, it's like whereas by default it helps that she's there because then you see her by default always, right? Um it's very hard if you don't have anything that you guys have in common to then constantly see each other. Like, think about you just spoke about the business group. Yep. How many people have you seen from that business group? Yeah, not heaps. How many did you used to see?

George 19:13

At the time.

Robby 19:14

Yeah, yeah.

George 19:15

How many have you seen in the last six months? In like uh less than a handful.

Robby 19:20

Have you seen any?

George 19:22

Yeah. You have? Yeah, absolutely. Okay, I haven't. Yeah, oh really?

Robby 19:26

Not off the top. I've spoken to some.

George 19:28

Yeah.

Robby 19:29

No, I have. Hung out with? Yeah.

George 19:31

I don't reckon at least one, two, at least three that I can think of off the top of my head right now. Four. Yeah. Three.

Robby 19:41

Yeah, okay. I could probably say no.

George 19:44

But I would speak to them as well. Like not just you're saying just actually hanging out?

Robby 19:48

No, so yeah, it's like seeing in person.

George 19:50

Oh yeah. Yeah, I'd say at least three. Three to four. This year? Yeah. This year. Yeah. Really? Oh, not this year. Sorry. Not this year. Okay. One this year.

Robby 20:00

Um yeah, I I don't I don't know. I think you gotta have something in common with those individuals too.

George 20:08

Yeah. Absolutely, you do. Absolutely. And I think, you know, growing up, it's like just there would be sports, there's music, there's um other hobbies that you might be doing that you're interested in. Ethnicity, I think, would play a part in it too. You reckon? Yeah, I really do. Did you ever have that in high school? Did you ever see people congregate in ethnicities? Yeah, but it's commonalities. That's but that's what I mean. There's common interests there. So there's a level of comfort there in going, well, I'm gonna go hang out with all the WOGs because they're ethnic.

Robby 20:39

Do you feel like you hang out with more Greeks?

George 20:41

I I would say Europeans, not Greeks, but yeah, like specifically Greek. But I would say there's a level of connection with some European people more so than other ethnicities. And you see that in high, like I'm saying, even in high school. There used to be the WOGs, there used to be the Skips, there used to be whatever the Indians, the Asians, like people would hang out in almost ethnicities. Like I used to play, I was I used to get given shit. I was the WOG that played AFL, you know, and then but I'd say I can hang out with anyone though. So I can go hang out with all you guys and play footy, but then I can go hang out with all the WOGs and play soccer or just talk shit or whatever it might be. So I I think ethnicity does come, does have a part to play in it too. Yeah, I think it would influence people's decisions. Not that I'd look at it as a judgment thing from day from the second I meet someone. Racist. Yes, which is racist. So racist.

Robby 21:33

Um, I think by default you can naturally congregate to towards people who have common things. Yeah, it's like saying the people who play soccer hang around people who play soccer. Yeah, well, yeah.

George 21:45

Yeah. It's a common trait. That's right. They can talk about it, they've got a team. Like, I couldn't tell you a single like Ronaldo. Does he play still? I hope so. I know he does. But I'm just saying, it's like I don't know any soccer players. And I couldn't have a conversation with someone about soccer that's deep and meaningful. It doesn't mean that I don't hang out with people that like soccer and vice versa.

Robby 22:09

Yeah. I'd cut people off if they like soccer. It's called football. Yeah. Um get it right. Yeah, no, I think I think um I think it's interesting. Do you think we as adults struggle to make friends?

George 22:28

You know, you should be better at it by the time you're an adult. No, do you know what? Kids don't struggle to make friends.

unknown 22:36

Why?

ommon Ground And Adult Friend Making

George 22:37

Not all of them. Because I think there's that lack, there's that lack of fear or rejection. Like you go, I I've seen my kids in this scenario, especially the younger they are, they'll just go and play with anyone. Oh, you want to play? It's like, yeah, okay. Oh, cool, let's go play. Cool, we're friends. And they have a lot of fun and the best friend that I don't think there's any expectations, there's no judgment, there's just like the the moment and having fun in that moment. So yeah, I think it might be a little bit harder for adults to do, but this is a generalization too. Some people might find it very easy to go and make friends.

Robby 23:08

Yeah, but you intend to speak in general terms.

George 23:11

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's right. Um, yeah, I think so. I think people might be lonelier than they've ever been before, even though they are more connected with phones and media and all that sort of stuff.

Robby 23:23

Yeah, but do you think most people as adults tend to not be good at it?

George 23:32

Yeah. Yes. And I I say that because I I think there's a level of having skill to connect with people too and communicate and be likable. But how can they do that better as a kid? I don't know. Maybe there's a there's no there's no boundaries there as a as a kid, in the sense no judgment from either side. It's just the moment of hey, let's get together and have fun. Yeah, whereas there might be levels of expectation with adults. Like you didn't call me. Yeah, that's right. And then as you said, the yeah, he didn't call me, you didn't do this, I doesn't care, it's one-sided, whatever it might be.

Robby 24:10

Yeah, but so like I will so touching on that whole one-sided thing, like I will do that. Like, if I find that uh, and I'll I'll I'll give you a really good example, actually. There's a uh I've got a mate, I don't I've got no negative thing about him, but for a long time he would not make any effort, yeah, like zero effort, and it kind of just got to the point where you're like, Oh right, I'll see you when I see you. Yeah, like you've it but like he d he does that with everything in his life, it's just his That's who he is, yeah.

George 24:42

That's just who he is. Um you see the thing with my that okay, so on that, I had that mate I mentioned before. What would annoy me is he would call other people in our group.

Robby 24:55

He doesn't like you.

George 24:56

Well, it must be. It must be, yeah. So um, so that level of like, come on, man, like I've literally I we were like we were good real I when he was in Melbourne, I'd say he was my best friend. Do you know what I mean? Like we were really close. We'd hang out on the weekends. I've slept over at his house a hundred times. I know his I see his parents now and I'll hang out with them and have a coffee, you know. So it's there was a really close connection there. I'm like, hey, I'm a phone call away. If you if he called me and said, hey, I'm here, I would drop what I'm doing. I would have dropped what I'm doing. So hey, I'm there, whatever. Come, I'll come see you for a coffee. You're at work, don't worry, I'll cancel my meetings. You got half an hour, cool. I'll come see you. And it was like that, that that's what I would have done. But it's like when I find out that he that the who he'd come to Melbourne and then he'd go and meet up with people and then say, Oh, sorry, man, just here for a short time. Don't know, I've just got to see the family and then I've got to go and blah, blah, blah. And it's like, hey, it's priorities. You can always make time. If you care enough, you make time. Yeah. You're still you're still close with them for you. Yeah, like as when I said, No, I wouldn't say I'm close. No, but I'm again, no bad blood. If I see him, we'll chat, we'll talk. It'll be like old times. But it's like now I'm less inclined to be like, hey, come out for a coffee or let's catch up or whatever it might be. But if I saw him, it wouldn't be any, it'd be probably just like normal in all honesty. But I won't go out of my way now to start making an effort because it's not being reciprocated.

Robby 26:20

Yeah, I think it takes um, I think it takes two to tango.

George 26:26

You know, it's gotta there's gotta be value both ways. There has to be, there has to be some you have to get both of you have to get something out of that relationship, you know, for it to be meaningful and to for it to be lasting.

Robby 26:39

Yeah, otherwise it just won't um one side of the the equation will get drained.

George 26:44

Yeah.

Robby 26:45

Um, but yeah, I had a friend like that and he just like but even now, like I'll see him, like if he calls down, he says, Oh, hey, let's go camping, whatever. I'm like, oh sure. And I'll go, and it'll be great. Yeah, like you'll have so much fun. Um, but yeah, I just kind of learned like, oh, that's how you that's how you manage this. I'll just bring to the table what you bring to the table. Do you have to mean? Um, because then otherwise you end up like, hey man, come on, man. Like, you don't fucking do this, you don't fight, and then you just realise like that's just the way that particular individual is, and there's nothing wrong with that. And I think another thing as well is like people change over time, yeah, without a doubt. And they should, and so they should. Not everyone you bring to every table needs to do uh everything that you do, you know what I mean? Like you might have friends who don't necessarily care about business, yeah. And it's like that's cool, but you gotta have something that you do, like you might you might have your your camping friends or your going-away friends or your fishing friends or your footy friends or whatever it is that you like to do. Um you might have friends that belong in that circle of friends. Like I've got a I've got a group of friends, I've actually catched an update tomorrow night. Uh Mercedes group. Oh, cool. Yeah, it's like we all worked together at one point. So cool. Yeah, and every, I don't know, two or three months, we just catch up and have dinner. Awesome. I used to no one works together anymore. Uh actually, sorry, maybe one or two of them still work together. Yeah, and everyone else doesn't. That's awesome. Yeah. And we all just get we used to all work in one workplace at one point.

George 28:26

Yeah. That's so good. Yeah, well, we do the same with um the guys from that I used to work with at multiplex. We'll probably catch up once every six months, but there's about six to eight of us that we just catch up, go for dinner, talk shit. And it's amazing. Like these are people I worked with nearly you know 20 years ago. And where's there's still that connection there? Now, like you say, are we friends? Well, okay, I still speak to them, still catch up every now and then. So, yeah, I'd say we're friends. Um the yeah, it's cool how you've got you, yeah, you can have different groups for sure.

Robby 29:03

Is there um do you feel like I I guess everyone listening to this as well? You probably had someone cross your mind at some point based on one of these questions, and you're like, oh yeah, like I haven't really um spoken to or seen or made an effort with that individual. Is there someone that comes to your mind or that has come to your mind throughout this whole conversation? You don't have to name them, by the way. Maybe don't name them. Joshua. Joshua. I don't know any Joshua. Um not one.

George 29:35

Um lots of Joshua's. Do I? I don't know. Okay. Look, um, not specifically. I I feel that I feel content with the people in my life at the moment that I'm connecting with and and being with. So I'll not not specifically, no. Because again, the same token, if I haven't spoken to them for a while, they also haven't spoken to me for a while.

Robby 29:59

Yeah, but you know, so it does work with it.

George 30:01

Not about playing the blame game. No, I know, I know, but I'm just saying I feel content with yeah, that's a that's an interesting comment.

Robby 30:07

That's an interesting comment. You you feel content. Yeah. So do you have to feel lonely to have friends?

George 30:12

No, no, no.

Robby 30:14

Then what? Like I No, like as in like your comment towards that was I feel content towards this. And it's like that that is your justification to saying, like, well, anyone I haven't called, I don't really need to call right now.

George 30:34

Does that make sense? Yeah, it does, but I still don't see what like the angle that you're taking. Like, I've I'm fine with that.

Robby 30:40

Yeah, of course you're gonna be fine with that. You're you're telling yourself you're fine with that. Yeah, but what I'm saying to you is, do you have to be not fine with it to reach out to someone? Oh, okay.

ocial Media And Fake Connection

George 30:50

No, you don't. You don't. Did just does that make any sense? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you've done send an angle on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now I do. Now I do. Um, no, look, I again, I've I've just got it's priorities, isn't it? At the end of the day. If you want if you want to speak to someone and you want to connect with someone, you can and you will and you do. So I've just it's probably just not at the forefront of my mind of things that are going on in my life at the moment. Do you do you think um do you think social media helps with that?

Robby 31:23

Like, do you think technology in general has helped us with Yeah? So imagine if we didn't have any of that. Then it it it's uh proximity. Back in the back in the day. Yeah, it's gotta be proximity then. Because like what you're gonna do, write a letter to someone.

George 31:36

Yeah. Well I'm saying you've still got phones and texts and all that. But just say, yeah, but no, I'm just saying phones and text.

Robby 31:42

Yeah.

George 31:43

Right? Let's say no social media. Yeah, I I think there may be less connection with some of those people then. If there wasn't that social media aspect of it.

Robby 31:57

Yeah, but do you feel like okay, most people everyone has like a connection cup. Right? And by cup I mean like your own. And it's like it for that for for people to fill that everyone needs a different amount. Some people need more connection in their life, some people need less connection in their life. Yeah, some people need a hundred different friends, and some people are like, hey man, I've got one friend. We see each other once a year, and it's the greatest thing ever.

George 32:25

My cup's full.

Robby 32:26

Yeah, I get everything I need out of that. Um, do you feel like people might get with social media? Because like social media, all in all, doesn't isn't a bad thing. No, I know people like but don't use it. Very simple. But it allows you to stay connected with people that you may have not otherwise. But for those individuals, yeah, for those dude, how many people do you know what's going on in their life because of social media? And you're like, hey man, I wouldn't, we wouldn't, I would have forgotten your name. I would have completely forgotten that hey, there is no worse feeling than when you're sitting somewhere and someone says Robbie and you look at them and you think, Fuck, bro, I know you. I've got no idea where the fuck I know you from. Oh my god. That is the worst fucking feeling. Stop. Is that not the worst feeling ever? Dude, it happens to me daily. Fuck you. And you're like, bro, I know you, man. I know your face is so familiar, but I've got no idea what part of my life you came from. Like, I met you some like, dude, I had a guy come to me once, I met him in building school. Yeah, right. And like he kind of and he he said his name to me, and I looked at him and I'm thinking, like, yeah, like, but but where the fuck did you come from, bro?

George 33:51

Like, man, if there were some people now that like that I went to TAFE with, like if they came up to me, I'd be like, what's your name again?

Robby 33:59

Yeah, you're like, fuck a I should know. Yeah, I've seen you. We've definitely crossed paths approximately.

George 34:04

That's funny. That is funny, yeah.

Robby 34:07

It's very funny. But but like I think social media helps it does reduce that. Do you know what I mean?

George 34:14

Because then you you stay connected with that individual, even if it's by and then that's maybe why you might feel more connected with them even though you haven't seen them in a year as well. Yeah, you still may keep in touch, like an odd message here and there, a DM, or comment on their photo or video or something like that. Yeah, definitely. Um I do think that helps, yes.

Robby 34:41

Yeah, but so do you think people are getting their cup filled? Which is what I was alluding to. I I reckon they would. And then therefore not actually connecting. Yes. So it's kind of like I see you on Instagram.

George 34:55

Yeah, I really do. Especially if it's someone that posts regularly and whatnot, you know. I I do think that for sure. Yeah, or even strangers come up to me and say that. They go, I feel like I know you because I just see you so much on socials, you know. And I I feel like a lot of people, it's funny, it's like I'll meet people I know or meet up with people I know, so man, I see everything you're doing, it's great. Well, cool. I've never seen you like anything, I've never seen you comment, I've never seen a DM. So yeah, I do feel that that would fill people's cup up, even if they don't believe it, I reckon it would.

Robby 35:27

Yeah, but do you think by default then people are less likely to come to the dinners because then it's like, well, I don't really need that as much as had I not been able to.

George 35:39

I think if they were invited they would go. I think it's more will they make the effort to reach out to organise it? I don't think that would go to that level because they say they get their cups filled through social media. So, yes, I do think that that would be um something that people would lean on to stay connected.

Robby 35:59

Is it then therefore a bad thing?

George 36:03

No, I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing at all. Why would it be a bad thing?

Robby 36:08

Because then people aren't actually catching up. Because they're kind of like well. Well, if it's filling your cup, why does it matter? I saw you on LinkedIn. Yeah, I saw you on Instagram and then like that's cool. Wouldn't that be a bad thing?

George 36:24

But no, it depends on what your definition of that bat of that being of that being a bad thing is. Like some people, if you're okay with that, why is that a bad thing? And if the other person's okay with it, why is that? Yeah, okay.

Robby 36:34

So, what would be the downside to it?

George 36:36

Look, regardless, I I think I don't know, it just the human connection is going to be is an important thing to actually touch, feel, look, high-five someone, having that camaraderie with someone, I think that's an important thing to have. But do you need to have it with every single person at every single time of your life to be friends? Probably not.

Robby 36:56

Yeah, no, I think more you're probably looking at from your perspective more than the other person's like I think if the other person is not because I think there is there would be a lack if they got all their connection just from an online source, yeah. I think there is some level of lack there. Yes, and then that person starts. We're not saying all connection though. No, but the whole thing is like they get their cup filled and then do less of the thing that fills it.

George 37:24

Less of it, yeah. Yeah, not all of it, not getting all their connection through social media.

Robby 37:29

Yeah, okay. So what's the line? I don't know. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, so it's like, cool, someone might do it and get 99%, yeah, and that someone else might do it and get 40%. Do you know what I mean? Um and uh it's it's usually the people in the extremities who tend to get the worst of it. Does that make sense? It's the people who spend four hours on TikTok who are the ones who fucking end up with the most brain damage. Um yeah, it's always it's always the the people that take it to the extremes that end up, you know? It's the it's the drug addicts who can't stop it.

George 38:07

Yeah.

Robby 38:08

Um is there anyone from do you have anyone from your past, like a friend, where you're like, man, I kind of wish I kind of wish we'd stayed in contact. Yeah, I'm really going, yeah, I'm really going through the memory bank. Yeah, and it's like your your mind might even block it out. Yeah, you might purposefully be like, you know, that oh fuck me, like that, fuck that guy. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Uh and you might purposefully not remember because they upset you. They wouldn't go jet scan. They wouldn't go jet scanning.

George 38:55

They wouldn't go jet scan, can't talk to you. No, look, not really. No, not really. Man, if you'd asked me that question ten years ago, I'd probably have a list of people. So what's changed? Remember when I said before about when my priorities changed in my life and I got into a serious relationship and those acquaintances that I thought were good friends? That's what I'm talking about there.

Robby 39:18

So your opinions of those people changed? Yeah, maybe. Maybe. There's not one of those where you kind of think.

an Men And Women Be Friends

George 39:24

Maybe yeah, maybe a couple of them. Yeah, okay. Yeah, maybe, maybe now that I'm thinking back, there's probably one, a couple of guys there that I was like, oh yeah, cool, but I don't I don't sleep over it. I'm just now bringing it up in conversation.

Robby 39:37

Fuck, I hope you don't only sleep over it. Um I have a question for you.

George 39:41

Sure. Do you think guys and girls can be friends?

Robby 39:47

Me?

George 39:48

Yeah.

Robby 39:48

Only by association.

George 39:51

I concur.

Robby 39:52

Yeah. Like in the sense of we're we work together.

George 39:59

Yeah, or it's your mates, misses.

Robby 40:02

Yeah. Or like we, you know, we see each other at this thing all the time. But if it's like you guys are purposefully hanging out one-on-one separately, I don't think so, no.

George 40:12

I it's definitely not. Yeah, 100%. Guys and girls, you're hearing it here, and if you want to contest me, go for it. Guys and girls cannot be friends.

Robby 40:21

I agree.

George 40:23

One party or the other in that relationship, in that friendship, will develop feelings eventually. And even if you say, no, no, it's platonic, we're not, we never would go there, no, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like you ask the guy most of the time. So, hey, would you would you tap that?

unknown 40:44

Fuck.

George 40:46

Come on. Do you know what I mean? Like nine times out of ten. Nine times out of ten, it's gonna be the guy. All right, but here's the other thing, right? The guy develops feelings, yeah. Or would he go, like you say, would you go there? So, yeah, would I go there?

Robby 41:00

Or I'll never feel like this is where this is the part where, you know, for the all our female listeners, uh I think women don't understand how a man's might you think he do? I especially more recently, learned more and more and more how differently men and women think. Like so fucking differently. Absolutely, it is wild, but like two different species. And you know, women, I I believe women can be friends with men. I believe men are the problem. Okay, yeah, interesting. Yeah. How so, how so? How so? Yeah, okay. Let's I want you to just be funny. Let's imagine right now, you can think of whoever you want for this scenario. Yeah, let's say a woman you and I both know by association. Okay. Let's imagine she was here right now, and let's imagine that she took her top off. You and I are gonna go, whoa, whoa, what are you doing? Whoa, you know, I don't want to tell you're my friend, stop. Like, you're not. Let's be really, you know, if you did, I'd call you gay.

George 42:07

Hang on, hang on, hang on. A friend, huh? Yeah, say a friend through associate, like a you might be thinking of someone that I love. You should say anyone. I'm just trying to think of anyone, like say it was a person that worked with us. Yeah, all right, say you had say it was someone that, yeah, a female that worked in this office and then just took her top off.

Robby 42:24

You're telling you like, hey, if I can start throwing dollar signs at it, I didn't say that, but I'm just saying, like, for you you wouldn't, your instant reaction wouldn't be the same as if it was the other way around. Right? A female would be like, whoa, what the fuck? Yeah. Whereas men, no men ever like, okay, this isn't gonna sound very bad. But like, here we go. Imagine that happened and she had some particular part of her express, like she was wearing a very tight top and her tits were half out. Yeah, yeah. And then she left and I looked at you and I said, You wouldn't even need to say anything. Yeah. That to my you wouldn't look at me, hey, but you know, no, no, but let me finish. Imagine, okay, imagine you looked at me and you were like, eh, and then I said to you, George, it's our friend. It's our friend. That would not happen. You know that. Yeah, it is comical. Yeah, it is comical. It is funny to think that that would I I'd look at you and be like, George, hey, come on, bro, we're friends. Yeah, like fucking numbers. Come on, stop it. Yeah, you're gonna ruin the friendship.

George 43:32

That's what I mean. Yeah, guys and girls cannot be friends.

Robby 43:35

Guys and girls cannot be friends, yeah. But women don't understand that. Yeah, women don't understand that men will say that. They're like, and then if you tell them and there's no malice behind that too, yeah.

George 43:44

Guys guys are visual creatures, like we're attracted to what we see first up. That's the first thing that we look at. And any guy that says otherwise is fucking talking shit. You know, it is attract the first thing a guy is attracted to is the looks. All right, they are going to look at those things. That's why. We that's the first thing that any man will look at is what the person looks like and are they attracted to it?

Robby 44:06

Yeah, yeah, you know what baffles me as well. A woman who walked out of her like gets stressed that morning and then wears a top wheel, like exposing so much cleavage. What do you think is going to happen? Like, is your hope like, hey, I'm gonna leave my tits half out and hopefully no one looks?

George 44:22

Yeah, can I just say something? And this is something that's I don't even know when it came into fruition, but it definitely wasn't around in my 20s when I was at the gym. All right, but you go to the gym now, every most women in the gym now are wearing skin tight clothing, gym clothing, active wear, whatever the fuck it's called, that leaves nothing to the imagination. It's great. Yeah, I got I get it, right? But all right, so would you get upset now as a woman, you're walking in and a guy sees you and you're wearing one of those fucking pants that just show your whole ass. It's fucking, it's out there. Yeah, oh this pervert looking at my ass. Fuck man, I'm a heterosexual guy, and you've walked past me wearing literally nothing, and you're saying, Oh, we're the bad guys here. Like fuck.

Robby 45:05

I've seen so many videos of guys getting caught out in gyms. It's become memes now. It's funny.

George 45:11

It's funny now because they'll see it, they'll film it, and then they look and then it's like fuck, I just got caught. Um that is if a woman ever went off at me in the gym, I'd fucking lose it. Do you think at them, I would lose it at them. If they say, Oh, did you enjoy the look? It goes, fuck off. Wear some fucking appropriate clothing at the gym and don't be a porn star, all right? And then maybe I won't look at your ass or your tits. Like if if someone actually approached me like that, I'd get very upset. I'd get very upset. Don't fucking approach me at the gym. Do you think um don't you dare approach me? I just want to work out and just leave me alone. Don't talk to me.

Robby 45:46

Uh, do you think they should not leave it be all out of weather?

George 45:49

They can do whatever they want, but there's consequences with that too. Yeah, don't be upset if a guy, if you're walking down the street and then the guy turns around and goes, Holy shit, again, guys are visual creatures. That's what they're gonna look at. That's what they're gonna be attracted to. But there's a level of them wanting to do that too. Why would you wear something so revealing like that? So do you think women I would be upset if my missus walked out of the room, uh, out of the house like that. I wouldn't let her.

Robby 46:11

Do you think um do you think they purposefully do that? It has to be. I think a lot of women would contest that. Why?

George 46:22

Um, you've you know exactly what I'm talking about.

Robby 46:26

I know exactly what you're talking about.

George 46:28

So it's like But I think I think the argument How are you what's the argument? You're wearing skin tight clothing that's that's hugging your figure in every crevice. Let me finish my sentence.

Robby 46:39

I think the argument would be um I do it for me. I do it for my friends. And no, you don't.

George 46:46

You're a liar. You're a liar. Here's the other thing with friendships, uh, men and women. All right. Eventually, let's just say they are friends. Okay, pure friends. No, no, she is my friend, he is my friend, there is nothing there. We both feel the same way. There is nothing ever gonna happen there. We are just friends. Eventually, one of those two, and the best friends, you know, we hang out all the time. We go for coffees, we go for dinners, we go to the movies, we just hang out. We're just mates. Male female. Male, female. Eventually, one of them is gonna get into a relationship. Okay. So they get in a relationship. Do you then think it's okay that your missus is hanging out with this bloke every second weekend? Do I? Yeah, like but I just even exactly. So how can that relationship be a friendship? It can't exist. It cannot exist where the woman, where your missus and this bloke are friends and they hang out every weekend. No, if I'm your friend, I should be your best friend. If you're gonna marry me, if we're gonna be together, I'm your best friend. All right, not this fucking bloke. So that's that in itself is an issue. And a man would have an issue with that. I'm telling you, a guy would have an issue with that. I would not like it if my missus at the time we were dating was like, oh, he's my best friend. We're just gonna we just hang out all the time. Like, bullshit in a fucking hang out. What if he's gay? Even even even more reason not to hang out. No, even um, no, then it's a little bit different, then, yes. Why? Because well, there's no sexual attraction there. What if he's lying? Yeah, it could be lying. We've seen memes like that too. Are you gay? Kiss me.

Robby 48:34

Prove you're fucking gay.

oundaries Jealousy And Public Perception

George 48:37

Um god. Um, so would you be more comfortable with it? But no, actually, no, I wouldn't. Because then it's like, okay, you're still when you're my partner, you're representing me as well. Like, we are a unit, we are one. And even just someone driving by seeing you sitting with another male, be like, oh, why is he hanging out with her? Why is she hanging out with him and not her husband? All right, even if they don't know that he's gay or whatever it might be. So yeah, I'd still eventually be like, no, man, like this, this is gonna stop. So I think that in that, and it works both the other way too, mind you. Yeah. So if it's a the girl gets the the boyfriend, and then the boyfriend's like, I'm just gonna go hang out with Rebecca today. We're just gonna go, you know, movies. Is that cool with you? Like, that's wrong. That is completely fucking wrong. Stay at home with your missus. What the fuck are you doing going out with another woman? Yeah, you know, so I do not believe a friend uh it might work for a period of time, okay, to be friends for a period of time, but I do not think that relationship will ever, ever be like that and sit and be sustainable.

Robby 49:40

I I think also I think most men, whether they are conscious of it or not, will back off once the girl gets a boyfriend. Yeah. Most men. You know why, but whether the whether they are conscious of because like most men aren't friends for the sake of being friends, whether they're aware of it or not, that's my opinion. I think most like no one, I I I don't know any guy who's been like, but she's my friend, man. Like I don't I I just don't. I don't know if you do, but uh, I think most in my experience, if the girl gets a boyfriend, most guys will be like, whatever man.

George 50:19

So then what there you go, whatever man. Like, so was it a real friendship to begin with?

Robby 50:23

No, no, I don't think it ever was, exactly. Unless, unless you are friends by associ like some in the proximity, yes, like you work in the same office, for example, like that can be because you see each other, you can go, hey, hey, how you doing exactly you're friendly, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Friend, you're friendly, that's what it is.

George 50:40

It's there is a connection there, yes. Um but I think even that can be yeah, I I think that can go the wrong way as well. You know, if you're saying this is my work wife, hey, you're you're you're starting to blur the lines here. No, this we're not that. Um was I saying you were just saying, oh yeah, 100%. It's through association without a doubt. Without a doubt.

Robby 51:03

You need to have a reason to constantly see each other. Yeah, and if you're using things that that are outside of, oh, but we go to the movies together, oh, but we we like to hang out.

George 51:15

Yeah, we like the same things. It's not do you think it's important to have nights out with the boys? I think it is the most important thing ever. Do you really? You're just saying that. No, sweating on. Yeah. So you think it's great for to have male camaraderie outside of your relationship with your partner? Thousand percent. How come? Why are you so froze that?

Robby 51:36

Well, I'm I am uh so if I look back over my life, like if I reflect, right, and I think everyone should take time, you know, whether you do it weekly, monthly, annually, whatever, take time to reflect, you know, and it's like if I think of my greatest, happiest moments, almost all of them are like me with my mates. And I think I'm sorry, girls, you're gonna hate what I'm about to say, but I think no matter what who you are, you cannot nothing is more fun than being with the boys. Nothing, it is the most fucking fun time you will have in your whole life. Okay, it like there is uh in my opinion, and like maybe you can correct me and say, nah, bro, when you have kids or something like that, but from my experience, hanging out with the boys is the most fun you can have ever in your whole life. A an overseas trip with your missus is great, an overseas trip with the boys is fucking phenomenal. Like that's just the truth. I don't care, like it's just it's the truth, okay. It's not to say that you don't like your missus or anything like that, or you're trying, it's just different. It's different, okay? It's a different thing, yeah. It's a different kind of fun. Correct. And I'm sorry, but you it's hard to compete with that.

George 52:58

Yeah, it's uh it's exactly what it is. I'm glad you said it because it's like having you're not talking about the levels of happiness, you're not talking about the feeling, you're talking because obviously nothing compares to your kids and your family and all that sort of stuff, right? No, no, yeah. And if you had to pick, like if I had to pick one, I would pick them every day of the week, as it might be.

Robby 53:18

I know you're not saying I would give up all this for that.

George 53:21

That's right. That that option isn't on the table. It's literally just saying, well, what moments and memories and things and fun and filling your cup do you get from them? It's a very different cup. It's fucking stupid. You know what I mean? It's so fucking sick. It is a great thing. Yeah, but I still, we in my group, when we in 2006, we went to Sydney. There was like six of us, so whatever. We still talk about that trip today, 20 years later in 2006. We went to Sydney. It was like six, and I'm like, remember, we did this, we did this. It was so much fucking fun.

Robby 53:59

You're just doing the dumbest fucking shit. Well, it's like you're doing the dumbest shit. Last year, do you have a group? Do you have a group chat with your boys? Yeah, yeah, of course. And it's obviously is it disappearing messages? Is it really?

George 54:13

No, it definitely is. It definitely is. Fucking hell.

Robby 54:17

So um what's the what's the group chat? Just call it boys dinner.

George 54:21

That's all it's called.

Robby 54:21

That's it. Come on, man. Get a bit more. I'll fucking change it too.

George 54:25

I'm gonna change it to that today. They're gonna be like, What? Who changed the group name? I said, Don't worry.

Robby 54:28

I got I have so many group chats, so many.

George 54:32

Um yeah, like even last year we went to Rufus de Sol. All right, and we just had a night out. Like we had a night out. We I drank more than I've had in a very long time. We went there, we had a great night at the actual concert itself. And then we went to Arbria Float after, I think it was, and we just had more drinks there, and we were just talking shit and we're meeting new people, we met other blokes, met other people there. It was just a lot, it was just a random night, but it was so much fun. And we still look at back, like even that was a I don't know, five months ago, whatever it was. We look at back, fuck, that was fun. That was such a good night out. That was the best night out we had last year. So yeah, it's uh it's a very different cup that it fills, but I think it's an important cup as well, because then when you when you have that connection and those feelings and those moments and those memories with your friends, you actually come back as a better person. I think even coming home to work, it you it like rejuvenates your soul. You know, it gives you a bit of energy and uh it's different joy.

Robby 55:36

And I think as a um as a man, you get to be you almost get to be a kid again. Yeah, that's so true. We are very immature. No, no, but like you get to like man, and like if you're a guy listening to this, like I'm sure at some point throughout that last few minutes, like you you've cracked a smile because you've thought of something that you've done with your voice, and you're like, oh yeah, that did that thing, and he fell and broke his leg.

George 56:02

And it's like the stupidest shit. Yeah, and it's like like side-splitting laughter. Like, do you know what I mean? You're just there and you're fucking crying.

hy Boys Nights Matter Most

Robby 56:10

I've I've been with my mates crying with laughter just on this stupid shit we've done, and it's like I'm all wrong, and I'm so I'm um I'm the worst like that, yeah. Like when I'm laughing, yeah, I can't stop laughing. Do you remember how much do you remember how much I was laughing at the 10x conference? And I was shaking. I was shaking the whole time. I was shaking the whole chair over. That was so good.

SPEAKER_00 56:43

Oh my god.

Robby 56:45

Yeah, it's like I can't when I laugh, I can't say. It's got yeah.

George 56:49

Thank you. Scott When's he coming on the podcast? We still send each other these fucking Oh did you? We still send each other fucking these a personal uh an inside joke every time. Oh shit.

Robby 57:05

Yeah, that is that is uh that is funny. But yeah, I think those moments, man. You know, I think those those moments in friendship are like we gotta go back. That was a Daff Vegas trip of sick. Yeah, it was good. That was uh yeah, it's it's those those things. Do you remember how much how much we were laughing at the Alex Homozy scaling workshop when Scott? You moved his chair, do you remember?

George 57:34

Yeah, that's right, and the whole thing made oh my god.

Robby 57:38

Oh man. Um yeah, I think I think you can't like sorry, but you can't compete with those fucking moments. I'm sorry, ladies. I'm sorry, you just can't. Yeah, you know what it is, dude. When you're with your missus or your kids or whatever it might be, you turn into protector kind of mode, and you need to make sure everyone's okay, you need to be yeah, you're okay, you're warm, you've got fit, you've been fed, you're alright, you're good, you got everything you need. Like when you're by yourself, all that goes out the window. Like all that completely, completely disappears, and yeah, it's it's you can't compete.

George 58:20

You're making it sound like you have no fun at home with your partner.

Robby 58:23

No, it's I think it's super different, kids. I think it's super different. Um, it's very, very different. It is, it is chalk and cheese.

George 58:32

Yes. Um that's not to say like you still can't have those amazing moments in the world. No, no, that's not it's not we're not saying that.

Robby 58:37

No, you think you need to you really need to clarify that. No, no, I don't think. It's not saying that at all. Probably doesn't give a shit. No, it's not that. It's like I guess anyone that would be listening to this from my that knows me, that might be upset about this, I've had this conversation with the other stand. So I'm not worried about that side. But if you you're thinking like I I think most men feel that way. Um, not to discredit your partner or anything like that, or your kids, or your family, or anything like that, but I just think it's just different.

George 59:12

What about the girls? Girls' nights out. Do you reckon there's the same element?

Robby 59:18

I don't think girls can have as much fun as good. I I just don't. I'm sorry.

George 59:22

Yeah.

Robby 59:23

I don't believe it.

George 59:24

We'd have we'd have to get some we'd have to ask the girls. We need some girl opinions here.

Robby 59:29

Well, like what's does okay. Does it think about a girl's night out? Does it say it seem anywhere near as fun?

George 59:36

No, it's just high tea and like tea and biscuits. Yeah, and I'm sure, I'm sure shopping, you know, that's all it is.

Robby 59:44

I'm sure they enjoy it. I I'm not saying it's bad. I'm just saying time out with the boys might be the greatest fun thing you can do. That's my opinion. I I really stand strongly by that.

George 59:59

Okay, so if you haven't had a boys' night out in some time, schedule it in.

Robby 1:00:06

But it doesn't mean go out and go to the strippers and cheat on your missus. No, it just means not that at all. It can be that it can be just sitting with your mates in a fucking room. Yeah. That's it. Watching TV. The right people. Yeah, the right people. Yeah. And it's like the right group, the chemistry, that can um that can eclipse everything else. Do you know what I mean? The greatest times I can think of in my head are like like just like we were at McDonald's.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:37

Yeah.

Robby 1:00:38

It's not had nothing nothing fancy about it. Yeah. Um, we were just at Maccas and I could not stop laughing for reasons I can't say on air. And too good. Yeah, it's like, it's like I I just stand by what I said. If you're offended, good. You've come to the right place. Nah, I I think I I believe most people would agree with what I just said. Like it's just it's just different. Not not not bad or good, different, just different. Uh feels it fills a different cup up that I think you can't otherwise. It it you can't, it's very difficult to find a different way to fill that cup. Oh, I I I've struggled, I should say. Like for me. I've always filled that cup up in that way. Yeah. And I'm fortunate enough to be able to still do those things. You know, that's really true.

George 1:01:35

Yeah, it is. You can't like how how else would you fill that cup up? Well, I actually don't know.

Robby 1:01:39

No, yeah, like hanging out with your missus feels a different cup.

George 1:01:42

Yeah, yeah, it's like it's great.

Robby 1:01:44

And a very it's an important cup. Yeah, yeah, but it's so different. Yeah, it's like very, very, very different. Yeah, I mean, it's rare, and you can go and you can hang out with your missus and have a laugh and do all that juice. But it's not the same master and it's not the same.

George 1:01:58

It's fun and all that sort of stuff. It's just they're different. Yeah, it's just different. That's all it is. It's not the same. So orange juice and apple juice.

Robby 1:02:04

Still juice uh orange juice and apple juice. Still juice. Trying to compare juices, it's different, still juice, but it's just different juice. Imagine someone said, Are you comparing orange juice with apple juice? I'm offended. Um so in saying that, if you haven't uh if you haven't had a note like that, maybe this is your reminder to go and do that. Maybe this is like the hey man, reach out to that person you haven't spoken to in some time, or reach out to that group of people, or you know, re Have you ever started up a group chat after years of it being dead? You just go in and you find it, and then you're like, oi, and everyone's like, it's great. Maybe do that. Maybe go and find a group. You know what? I know it's a little bit.

George 1:02:50

Someone said something, it literally hadn't been spoken to in years.

Robby 1:02:52

Years, yeah. And it's like someone just found it.

George 1:02:54

Someone just wrote it.

Robby 1:02:55

And then you see everything and you're like, oh my god, this hasn't been spoken since 2019. How fucking um go do that. Go do that if you're listening to this. Go find an old group chat. Your group chats should not be named Boys Dinner.

George 1:03:07

No, George, grow up, change it, grow up, that's very, very mature. It's upsetting. Yeah. Uh, and hey, connect with someone that you want to that you haven't in a while.

Robby 1:03:17

Yeah.

George 1:03:17

Like make an effort, give them a buzz, say, hey, we're going for dinner. Let's go do it. I agree.

Robby 1:03:23

I think um you very rarely turn around and say, fuck, I shouldn't have to. Yeah, I shouldn't have done that. Shouldn't have done that. Very rarely.

George 1:03:31

Exactly. Awesome. Good chat, eh? Very good chat. Very good chat. Uh, thanks for listening, guys. Thanks for listening. Make sure you connect with your friends and make sure you connect with this podcast because many of you listen, but you don't necessarily follow, and you could follow, and it'd be the greatest thing ever.

Robby 1:03:47

And hey, we will be your friend. This is the perfect segue. Send this to your friend. Send it to a friend. So that the one you haven't spoken to in a long time. Be like, Oi, listen to these idiots. Yeah. And listen to them talk about some shit. And then your friend, if they're a real friend, and they listen to this whole thing, they will get to the end, and then this is your sign. Now, a friend who's listening to message that person back and say, let's do dinner. Or something along those lines. And if they don't, then you know maybe they're not your friend.

George 1:04:18

And if you have a friend of the opposite sex, dump them. Right. Dump them. Get rid of them. Cut them off. Dump them. Just send them a text, say, hey, I'm sorry, can't do this anymore. This is over.

Robby 1:04:30

Yeah. And if one of your mates turns around and tries to make any comment about a female, you let them know that you're friends and you've never, ever. Ever. Never. Thanks a lot, guys. Thanks, guys.