Terribly Unoblivious
Dive deep into the realms of the unconventional with "Terribly Unoblivious" – a podcast where norms are challenged, thoughts expanded, and openness cultivated. This is not your average dialogue space; it’s a confluence where curiosity meets a willingness to listen to diverse opinions. Every episode is a journey that untangles the threads of conventionality, exploring the world through lenses unfettered by the ordinary. Join us as we engage in enlightening conversations that ignite insights, foster understanding, and provoke thoughtfulness beyond the visible horizons of societal expectations. Get ready to transcend the ordinary and embrace the extraordinary with "Terribly Unoblivious."
Terribly Unoblivious
We Try To Make Our Worlds Smaller And Accidentally Expose Why We Keep Making Them Bigger
A ten-year-old watches a Pearl Harbor montage and nails the logic of escalation better than most headlines—and that sparks a bigger conversation about cycles we can’t stop, stress we secretly crave, and the way small choices turn into big messes. We jump from history to heirlooms to the uneasy market for forbidden artifacts, and why some collectors quietly buy propaganda just to burn it. That leads to a different kind of pilgrimage: retracing family wartime routes as a way to turn grief into grit.
From there, culture crashes the party. We decode why the Jon Hamm edits hit so hard, how a single meme can bottle the feeling of being alone in a packed club, and what’s behind the weird generations-on-the-dance-floor divide. Fred again gets a shout for bringing bodies back to dance music, along with an honest look at what it takes to stay up for midnight sets without borrowing from tomorrow. The throughline is attention—how we spend it, how we waste it, and how to reclaim it.
We also dismantle the romance of entrepreneurship. Freedom rarely shows up on a P&L, and content creators earn every anxious refresh. Pricing a $20k table becomes a lesson in hours, overhead, and invisible tools no one wants to pay for. So we set a rule that actually helps: finish three open tasks before you say yes to one new thing. It’s a practical way to beat self-sabotage, dodge “must be nice,” and make your world smaller on purpose. We even pitch a theory: Good Will Hunting as an AI parable—information without experience is brittle—and use it to push back on isolation, AI therapy fantasies, and screens stacked on screens. If you’ve been juggling too much and feeling less, this conversation offers a lighter pack and a clearer path.
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SPEAKER_02:Yep. I said it before and I'll say it again. Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while. You could miss it.
SPEAKER_05:Alright, we're doing it live. Hi guys. What were you saving for the show? Welcome back.
SPEAKER_04:Good to be here. I love how much you hate this thing. This Christmas morning. Ooh, that would be fun. What? Christmas morning podcast. Uh if I'm here.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, I know you're not here.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:Uh maybe we could do it remotely, but I know we can't. There's a good chance I'm gonna be in Europe.
SPEAKER_04:Is there?
SPEAKER_05:Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_04:I thought you weren't going.
SPEAKER_05:I'm not going to London.
SPEAKER_04:Oh.
SPEAKER_05:But I might go to Zerk.
SPEAKER_04:There's more to Europe than London.
SPEAKER_05:It depends on which country you're talking about. As to if you'll be there or not? No. If they actually exist or matter. I see. Also, it I heard a crazy story the other day. My co-worker has um his sister or his cousin married a German fellow and now maybe a little propaganda, uh maybe got involved in a little bit of propaganda spreading that you know Nazis are okay. She's like a full-on Nazi now. He's like, Yeah, I haven't talked to her since like high school. Are they in Germany? I don't think so. I think they're I don't think so either, because they're not real keen on it over there. No, but she he's like, Yeah, she brought this German guy around one time and then we just never saw her again.
SPEAKER_04:They're less keen on it than we are at this point. I know. Yeah. Uh I would dare say.
SPEAKER_05:So I thought that was an interesting thing.
SPEAKER_04:I mean, I think I think maybe we're only second behind Argentina at this point. Fighting words.
SPEAKER_05:What about Italy? Uh no, they they kind of got fucked up by the whole Axis analyses thing.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:This is not where I wanted to go with this. Okay, but not fascism, but now that we're here, we're gonna have to take a deep dive uh in a in an unlikely turn of events. Uh me and Corbin were talking about this at bedtime the other night. Why were you talking about I uh what were you talking about? I'm trying fascism. No, I'm trying to remember authorit authoritative. He was kind of talking about yeah, it probably would have been about a week ago. And so I'm sure they were talking about Pearl Harbor because it would have been around around the date.
SPEAKER_05:Is this the first year that none of the sur none of the living survivors could make it? I think so. There's only a couple left. Yeah, all three are either really sick or immobile, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Um, and so he was he might have been watching a video or something on it just on YouTube before he went to bed. And and he's like, is this what it was like? And it was a mashup of footage and gameplay and movies and you know, the Pearl Harbor movies. I was gonna say it was Matt Damon in it. Not Matt Damon. Was it Matt Damon? No, it was Ben Affleck and uh oh yeah. It was Ben Affleck and uh Oh, what's that?
SPEAKER_05:Josh Hartnett.
SPEAKER_04:Josh Hartnett, yeah. And he said something along the lines of uh I go, yeah, it was really bad. I was like, we we were purposefully not getting engaged in the war, the war had been going on for a couple years already. And America just had kind of planned on staying out of it, and Japan was like, hey, you guys are weak, we're gonna bomb you and take all this land. And he goes, Yeah, uh you know, when you basically like when you hurt somebody you think they're gonna like back off, but all it does is make them want to hurt you more. And I was like, Yes, yes, this is the endless cycle of war that now a 10-year-old realizes. Yeah, and governments fail to. And yeah. I was like, there's not a good solution for it. Uh there's a there's a really bad solution for it.
SPEAKER_05:I think one of the problems though is you you see this and perceive and I'm watching The Diplomat season three right now, but I don't know if you've seen that show on Netflix, but it's fantastic. But it is, it's there's these micro incidences and micro what appear to be innocent, but they're like, that's an aggressive we have to retaliate. And it's like, why? They're like, Well, we don't care really, but our people that vote for us care and they're emotional, and if we're perceived as weak, they will kick us out. Yeah, and so it is this um, it's hard because you have to speak to the emotional masses and not the intellectual masses, and well, there's no such thing as intellectual masses.
SPEAKER_04:I mean the invasion of Poland or the assassination of the Ark Ferdinand, no, uh the which was which was botched by the way.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, yeah, I still yeah, that Dan is that Dan Carlin? Yeah, yeah, hardcore history. Go check that out.
SPEAKER_04:The Gulf of Tonkin incident. We don't talk about Tonkin here. Okay. That's the it's too close stuff. Stealing a Venezuelan oil tanker. I mean, it was a good time. It just but to to your point, like that comes across the headline, I think this past week. Like US seizes Venezuelan oil tanker. Like, fucking here we go. Yeah. Any one of these could be the kickoff for some fucking dumb thing. Yeah. Just because people want to I wish Lou was here.
SPEAKER_05:He'd go into a big big diatribe about how the industrial complex needs war to keep churning, and it's how you avoid a depression. I mean, it's how you'd avoid uh avoid financial recessions. You just keep the industry running. Okay. So where did you want to go with this when you first started and not I didn't want to. I just thought it was wild that you know a kid's able to figure that out.
SPEAKER_04:Kids are pretty smart.
SPEAKER_05:The problem is we educate them and then they get dumb.
SPEAKER_04:Uh and other people aren't. They're just like, uh, they're not on our side, we're gonna kill them all. Like, well, you're not gonna kill all of them, and then we've talked about that. The ones that you don't kill are gonna come back.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:Well, and that's you know, there's countless stories, you know, the guys have overseas and they're like, Yeah, I just killed somebody's dad or uncle, and their kids are back in the house and they see us and they see the US flag on our uniform, and like you just created another hate-filled monster.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Uh yeah, at some point it like maybe it starts as a cultural thing or a religious thing, or uh you know, these are my specific beliefs. But it only takes one big incident to turn into this is now just retribution for the rest of our lives.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, they that's it. There is no what is what is the point? There is no point.
SPEAKER_04:It's just it's kind of like that one thing where it's like it doesn't really matter what the war is for when somebody starts shooting at you. No. And that's yeah. So yeah, that was uh that was our bedtime story together.
SPEAKER_05:A little different than reading the Mountain Gazette to a man. Jesus. Not really, man. Some of those are pretty weird too. Yeah. I was just I was uh I was just remembering because well, I get ads for it all the time. I should probably just buy the goddamn thing um and support them. But I was thinking about the uh the guy that re that his grandparents that escaped from Auschwitz or one of the in concentration camps, and they re redid the trek. Yeah, that was I was just thinking about that, how fascinating that would be. And that'd be really emotional though. Like that's your lineage. It'd be pretty wild. Because it's you're gonna do something. I think I get emotional when I do something incredibly physically demanding that's over a long period of time at the end, like, or I guess any task in life, like I've worked really hard to do this and we've accomplished it. So I think but so you're gonna go do something physically challenging on its own, and now you're gonna add that familiar uh aspect to it. We could do that, like how emotional that would have to be at the end. We could do that with my grandpa's journey.
SPEAKER_04:That's right. He he was shot down in Germany, yeah. And then walked his way back to France. Yeah, I'm in.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah, okay, let's do it.
SPEAKER_04:Um but you're carrying your own microphone. What if we set it up like uh we skydive out? How about we do that? Okay, yeah. That's that's good. Okay, that's good. But then we set it up like Tropic Thunder so it feels more realistic. Okay. We just hire people. We just hire people to gorilla. Yeah. We're gonna need a bigger budget.
SPEAKER_05:Uh 2026 needs a bigger budget.
SPEAKER_04:We're gonna need some German fighter planes. Uh the flying Red Bulls. Hey, maybe that person at your work, maybe they can get us in touch with somebody that has some uniforms or something.
SPEAKER_05:He's lost touch. Do you know who actually has a ton of do you know who has a ton of Nazi uh stuff come through? It's Rock Island Auction Company because they got memorabilia. Oh, but there is there are um major uh Jewish uh groups and rules. I I don't know if they're nonprofit or what it is, but there are major um buyers, and they go and they buy up as much Nazi propaganda and old artifacts as they can and they destroy it. What was uh and I never even thought about that, but I'm like, it makes sense.
SPEAKER_04:Like you don't want that to I mean Okay, so this was probably a TV show, and I can't remember what TV show it was, I want to say it was like Burn Notice or something else, and that's what it was. It was uh this guy that was an art collector and did these kind of things, and and somebody found out that he was collecting all of these Hitler paintings, and they're like they thought he was like the next you know, uh big big thing to come out. Yeah. And then he he goes, Let me show you something, and he walks back into this back room, like this gated back room, and opens up and it's just jars on shelves. And then he starts talking about like his family and how they were in camps and then murdered and all stuff. All of the jars were all of the Hitler paintings that he had acquired so far and burned, they were just the ashes in the jars, and he just kept all of them. That's crazy.
SPEAKER_05:Uh so yeah, there's well, same thing though. The there was three watercolors from they they had they came into possession, the the auction company. They had three Adolf Hitler um watercolors come through. I he has a ton of art, and it's it's not that hard to get your hands on it, actually. I've learned through um my buddy that works there. But yeah, there's a lot of um a lot of Hitler art out there, and it doesn't go for as much as you think it would, by the way. Yeah, like maybe five to twelve thousand dollars for some of these things, which seemed incredibly low to me. Not that it should be more expensive from uh but there are people out there you would that would pay money for stuff like that.
SPEAKER_04:So I was just looking this thing up because I found it on our uh secretary desk the other day. And uh I I don't even remember where all of this stuff comes from because I have random like medals and coins and things like that, and some of them for were probably from my grandpa, some of them were from I think my mom's grandpa from World War One.
SPEAKER_05:Please tell me that like there's gonna be like a celestial event, and you're one of the coins is gonna wake up and we're gonna have Tomb Raider. We're gonna like Tomb Raider? Is it gonna be like Tomb Raider?
SPEAKER_04:But I was trying to figure out if they were I I think they were the US military mark, like one of them was a marksman one because it has a it's it looks like this where it has like the kind of an iron cross looking thing, uh-huh. But then like the the wreath thing around it, and then the one I have is carbine and and machine gun.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:So that's like what you were efficient in or proficient, proficient, maybe efficient too.
SPEAKER_05:That reminds me of propofol when she gets a propofol. She'd do a propofol episode. Um my milk doctor give me my milk.
SPEAKER_04:Okay, so this is the okay, so this is what we really want to talk about today is how my wife is culturally unaware. Okay, when it comes to trending memes. Okay. Yeah. And that's it. What about it? So the the one most recently on TikTok has been the John Hamm and it's a it's a scene from I think it's Friends and Neighbors, is the show.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, that's the one where he like is living, like he's basically a whole keeping up with the Joneses, and then finally kind of sheds his skin and just starts to learn to live life.
SPEAKER_04:So I haven't watched it, but it's the meme is is basically him in a rave or a dance, yeah, something whatever, and there's lights going and there's some music. And it's funny because I've watched like seven of those today, by the way. There was fucking hilarious ones. And the and the song that they have overlaid isn't the actual song that's in the in the TV show when he's in this club or whatever. But the essence of it is uh especially like millennial or younger Gen X, when they relate to this club experience of like you might be packed in this place, but this music just hits, and you're in this, and all of a sudden you're just alone and just kind of flying high. So it's like this specific feeling. And so now the memes are they'll say something like I saw a dog one, and the and the dog was like, When your parents don't communicate, and so you get two dinners that night, yeah, and then it cuts to John Hamm in the club, and it's just this, you know, this kind of ethereal feeling. And so I'm I'm sending Shannon some of these things. One was like when your wife walks in the bedroom and locks the door, and then it cuts her to that. That's who John Hamm one. And she goes, I don't know who this guy is. She doesn't know who John Hamm is. I go, What do you mean you don't know who this guy is? She's like Mad Men? Don Draper? Yeah, she's like, I don't he's she goes, I don't haven't watched any of those shows.
SPEAKER_05:What about bridesmaids? Like that seems like a such that because he was the fuckboy in that she doesn't watch movies.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_05:That makes sense.
SPEAKER_04:But still, I'm like, but he's a cultural he's he's a person actor, yeah.
SPEAKER_05:Like he's he's famous. I mean, he's a household name.
SPEAKER_04:After like Brad Pitt's face, it's gotta be John Ham's face.
SPEAKER_05:Like so you know that John Ham doesn't wear he hates underwear, and there's a website devoted to John Hamm's dick where it's just like peeking out of his pants. Didn't know that. Yep.
SPEAKER_04:There's nope. Yep. Uh John Hamm sausage. It's something like got it? Like it? Yeah. Okay. I could name these websites. I think. Yeah. So she didn't like mine. She didn't she didn't like this thing, she didn't understand the trend. She's like, I don't get it. I was like, Well, how what's not to get about it? It's something that makes you feel really good, and then it cuts to this, and this is how you feel on the inside, you know. And so then we went out to dinner last night, and her friend Morgan, like me and Morgan, are on the same wavelength. Yeah. Like all the same cultural little ticks, and you know, the the one-liners from movies, and and just like the shit that me and you, you know, what are you doing today? Survive. You know, you just say like a word, and you're like, Yeah, okay, okay, I feel that. And she goes, I am obsessed with these John Hammett edits right now. And I'm like same, same. I'm watching them all day. And Shannon's just like, I don't get it. So then we we have dinner and we're going through some of these things, and then we pick Phoenix up from a party on the way home. And it's I I've got Kato on, which is the song that the they're playing during that. Yeah. And it's just all of us taking turns saying something and then starting the song over again and playing it. So she was really digging it by the end of it.
SPEAKER_05:So um now she knows. The my favorite one today was like when you hit when you hit peak responsible 30s or something, and the it was the the guy basically recreated the scene from uh Final Destination in the log drum. He's right in front of him, and he just like he closes his eyes and it's like, just yep, get me out of here. Yeah, I thought where it was like he unbuckles his seatbelt and just leans into it.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, there's some uh and then I was so now I'm like going through this in my head of you know what are some what are some ones that are funny or like inappropriate or gross or there's some really good ones. Um I saw a teacher where they were doing roll call and they're like when that one kid is absent. Oh yeah, and I was like, Yeah, I was waiting for that one.
SPEAKER_05:That's uh that's up there. Um so on the same on the same respects of uh the dance floor, I heard this last night that there's this disconnect in clubs now in like DJ sets or dance clubs where you know they Gen Xers and millennials. What's the what is what's underneath the Xers now? What's boomers? No, who's the youngest generation right now? Oh I I don't know if it's it's like Y or Z. I don't know. But basically, people know what generation you're from by if you put your hands in the hair in the air or not. Yeah, so like old people now like dance and put their hands in the air, and all the young kids just sit there with their arms at their side and kind of just stare around.
SPEAKER_04:Fucking no hands in the air, no lol motherfuckers.
SPEAKER_05:So it's crazy though. The um one of these uh I'm a big dance music guy, you're not so much, but uh oh she didn't know what EDM was either. I know, yeah. So EDM, electronic dance music. Fred again is just been absolutely killing it this past year. He's this British DJ, uh started as a producer, actually produced a lot of very popular pop songs that most people would know, but um does his own stuff in the clubs uh after hours when he's not classically producing. Uh but his concerts are so wild because he brings so much energy, he's dancing the like the entire time too. And he like um he likes to use drum pads to like live mix, so he's like he's just always crushing it, and his concerts are getting so wild, and it's like people are actually dancing at dance shows again, and it's it's it's so much fun to watch the energy that's coming out of him right now to the point where I just got my name on the wait list for four different shows in London in February. So I might be going to London in February. Oh, because he just did this tour called 10 10 10 shows or something like that, which was like one show a week in a different in a different country, in a different city. I don't know if it was a different country, but it was like all over, and uh he just said that it was so popular. He's like, I'm gonna do 10 more, but he's gonna do like four in he's gonna do it like a residency style. So I'm excited. New York, London, and maybe one other. I don't know. Yeah, the only problem I have with that is staying up. It is hard because I went to I Did we do these during the day? I went to my first proper like DJ set in a very like a like a famous DJ set in a long, long time. I went to uh Chris Lake up in Minneapolis about a month ago, and it's like doors open at nine, he doesn't go on till midnight. Fuck. I've already been out for dinner, I've had a glass of wine. Like it is, it's hard. You're just like, I don't want to get you gotta take that 4 p.m. Adderall. That's see, that I am my body doesn't it. That's not how it works for me. Mine does a little bit. Like sometimes I'll take noon. If I take it supposed to, but I wink wink, I can't say that on the air. I just did, but I can maybe if I double dose or well, I have the experience. Extended so it oh god that I don't like it. No, I don't like the ER. Uh reminds me of E D.
SPEAKER_04:Hmm. I'm not sure how.
SPEAKER_05:I don't know.
SPEAKER_04:Because it has an E in it? Yeah. Okay. Cool. Yeah. My EQ is very low. Okay. God. So but yeah, I I will notice that sometimes if I take a a late one, that I just feel like I want to be busy at 11 p.m. So that's what I wanted to talk about today.
SPEAKER_05:Is um I think you and I struggle with this. Is how do you make your world smaller? And I don't mean that in a cultural aspect, I don't mean that in an intelligence or you know, way, but you and I have a tendency to take on a lot, and it it's not a and they're not always overlapping. So we we have a broad variety of responsibilities and things we like to do that make our lives living hells at times, even though we do the things we enjoy, it's still like fuck, I'm stressed. I've got so many things I'm doing right now.
SPEAKER_04:I I do uh yeah. Well, I I think I texted you yesterday and it was like, when do house projects stop? Yeah. And my wife literally told me, she goes, they're never gonna stop. No, they won't. And and it's not there's I part of that is like she's gonna want stuff, and part of it is just like that's me. Yeah, I'm just gonna keep but like this one's done. I'm gonna I'm I've got time to do something else, even though I may not have the time.
SPEAKER_05:I know, and that's what I'm saying. And what I've I know myself now where if I don't like I there are a couple things in this house I can see right now, just looking around, where I'm like, I would love to take care of that. But it doesn't bother me enough where like I lose sleep over it and I don't like obsess about it. But I know the moment I start it, if I don't finish it, then I'll start losing sleep and stress. And it's like I just have to say, no, it's not my problem, it's not the most important thing in my life. So I think there is we overestimate our abilities at times.
SPEAKER_04:Um there was that, but now I'm realizing more people say and a lot of times it has to do with you know woodworking or something. Somebody'll see a project and they'll be like, you could do this.
SPEAKER_07:You could do this. Yeah. Like, yeah. I could, but what why?
SPEAKER_04:Why? Yeah. That's that's like a whole new thing. Yeah. I mean I mean it goes back to the uh uh the true detective rust, you know? Time life time is a flat circle. No, it he says uh life's barely long enough to get good at one thing. Be careful what you pick. So it is that it just goes into that like what do I want to spend yeah, what do I want to spend my time on?
SPEAKER_05:And that's and that's the that was that stupid ass this this book I was showing you that I got, which is third eye blind. Third eye blind. The life designer, yes. Um, but it is, I don't think enough people spend time actually thinking about what they want to do in this world or where they want to be, and we just kind of just get lost in the day-to-day tasks, and then we kind of let life take us wherever it's going.
SPEAKER_04:Somebody was just talking about this. I saw a clip the other day of, and I can't remember what they called it, but it was uh career something where they intentionally it was like career intentionality or something like that, where they intentionally get a job that pays the bills and has some benefits and is not something that they're passionate about, where they clock in and clock out and don't stress about after the fact or think about it at home. Yep, they just fucking go do it and do their nine to five or 40 hours or whatever it is, and then come home and are fucking energized about what they actually want to do, you know, and in the weekends and things like that. And uh yeah, there's some there's some back and forth you could have about that because on the flip side you have people that start their own business about something they're passionate about. Yeah, you're like, oh man, it must be nice to be a small business owner and you just do whatever you want to do. And you're like, Yeah, it's awesome. I you know, I spend 70 hours a week thinking about and doing things that I get paid 30 hours a week for.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah. Well, and or you overwork it, or you're whatever it is. But and that's um, I was just listening to this. Oh, I haven't sent you that podcast yet. Sorry, I was gonna send you the the one with um that serial entrepreneur uh and uh diamonds. You make cereal? Yes, yes, he makes serial.
SPEAKER_07:Uh S-E. S-E-R-I-A-L.
SPEAKER_05:That's like a different kind of that's yeah. I think that was a podcast once. Um but he talks about the at the end, um the podcast host is like, so what's the biggest misconception, or what do you want people to know about you know, starting your own business, being an entrepreneur? And he goes, I want people to get the idea that freedom and entrepreneurship go hand in hand. He goes, You lose your freedom. And he goes, but you get to pick what your life is, yeah. But the idea that you get to just go jet off to Italy or jet off, and he's like, that's not reality because you're a you know, if you scale it and you grow it and you do it, sure, but you're not an entrepreneur at that point. You're a business, you know. He's like you when you when you go from the small business and you scale it, he's like, There's different phases of your life, but if you're just going to do startups, you're grinding. You don't have the big staff, you don't have the big, you know, equity. It there are the big finance and tech companies out there that look sexy, but that's the point zero zero zero zero one percent. The the everyday entrepreneur is HR, accounting, yeah, uh operations, all that shit wrapped up in the one person. And to your point, we you will work 80 to 100 hours a week just not to have to work 40 hours a week for somebody else. I mean, that's what it is.
SPEAKER_04:I mean, it's I see it on uh some of the the more popular like woodworking channels. Or there's a guy whose channel, I think he's actually up in Canada, and it's it's not even really him making stuff, it's just him setting up new tools and outfitting his shop and playing with this tool, and you know, sometimes showing tool uh uses and different things like that. And sometimes he does joinery, but he always has fucking monster, yeah, you know, sliding table saws and all these big things, and people are like, Oh, it must be nice, you know, it must be nice. And everyone's like, How do you afford all this stuff? He's like, not gonna work all the time, yeah. You know, and then now this is a side thing where obviously he's getting a lot of traffic through his videos, yeah.
SPEAKER_05:So he's getting people money from that also, yeah, or people sending him tools and then yeah, and then some of them are not all of them, but some of them are certainly paid for subsidized or something. And that's the that whole must-be nice thing drives me nuts too, because these content creators, I give them a lot credit, yeah, because they do one, you have to put yourself out there and because the the fucking internet is so mean. Oh, okay. You have to just you have to put yourself out there. Two, it's that's how I don't like posting things, they're constantly like you I've watched some of the behind-the-scenes stuff with some of these people, and they're just like the amount of anxiety we have for what our next video is supposed to be about, because you start running out of ideas, and it's like, oh, my my my follow like you know, YouTube has great analytics because it's you know backed by Google, obviously, and there's great data there for you as a creator if you want to utilize it, and it's like they only want videos about this, yeah. All the other videos I try to do over here, nobody's watching those, and so it's like that when you get pigeonholed, then you've got to try to figure out, or you've got to just say, fuck it. I know you guys all want this, but I'm still gonna make what I want and risk losing viewership and other things, and it's like yeah, it's it's uh and it's also as someone with uh problem focusing sometimes, especially at a home shop where I got I go back inside and then where do I put my headphones at?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, and where my glasses are at. I lost my pencil for the 17th time today, and then somebody's somebody else, God forbid, is home and comes out and asks questions.
SPEAKER_05:That's why I refuse to work here.
SPEAKER_04:I mean, I'll work here after hours, but but then imagine just trying to do the task, but then having to set up and record and do all the different, you know, at you in and you promise your viewership I'm a Monday and Friday poster or I'm a Tuesday poster.
SPEAKER_05:I always release content on these days our Saturday morning at 8 p.m.
SPEAKER_04:And again, there's things that get better and more efficient the more you do it. So they're like, Yeah, you're pumping out a lot of videos now.
SPEAKER_05:But it probably took a lot of hours. Well, even this and this little yeah, this little vacuum bag of our little podcast that four people listen to. Uh my first three podcast episodes took fucking half day to edit. Yeah, because I was like, I don't know the tools, I don't know, whatever. And now when you leave, I can bang this out in like 15 minutes and get it up and posted.
SPEAKER_04:But to that, to that point, like the freedom of you get to be maybe you get to be creative, or like for me, I get to spend more time with my kids right now than I do having to work because I just make that choice. But I saw, or it could be a guy that's uh somebody was doing uh it was like gold flake and hand painting and striping, and it was like on a big mirror type thing. Oh, I saw that same video. Um goddamn, our algorithms are the same, aren't they? And so somebody had sent me that and I was watching that, but or like some of the the tables that watch, and he's like, I'm gonna sell this for twenty thousand dollars. And everyone's like, twenty thousand dollars for a fucking table. And then I'm like, okay, so he's got 400 hours in it. That's fifty dollars an hour. Yeah. You know who makes fifty dollars an hour?
SPEAKER_05:Like a bunch of people that don't have what$50 an hour is like don't have many skills. Yeah,$50$50 an hour is just under$100,000 a year.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:Something like that. Mid 90s to one, yeah, somewhere in there.
SPEAKER_04:And and you're talking about people that are making very high-end products.
SPEAKER_05:And you think, I mean, a full so a full-time so you're making$50, but that's two thousand two two thousand eighty hours is about a full-time equivalent hour-wise of what a 40-hour employee year will work. So you think you you kind of extrapolate that out. 40, you know, 400 hours spent on a table, they've used almost a quarter of their working, you know, if they're working a true 40 right now, they might work more because they are, you know, artists or entrepreneurs, but you think about you're like, you know, a quarter of my year went into that. So yeah, I'd I need to make at least 20 on this because you know that's a lot, that's a lot of time. Yeah. And that's you're not, you know, and the overhead that goes into but that's the thing, is you're just looking at the time perspective. You're not even looking at the expenses. No, looking at everything else that they have.
SPEAKER_04:Well, can't be that expensive. It's like, well, he does have a forklift to be able to pick this thing up. Do you have a forklift?
SPEAKER_05:I want one. Like, I always I've been talking about I've been talking to my brother about it and we were at the shop. I'm like, when are we getting a scissor lift out here?
SPEAKER_04:There's some of the there's just some of those things where like, oh, this is this would be really nice to have.
SPEAKER_05:But you gotta scale immediately. Yeah, because you I mean, you think about traditional financing, you know, you buy a fifty thousand dollar. I don't know, I don't even know what forklifts cost. I'm assuming fifty in the fifth. I don't know.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, I I mean a I don't know what a new one costs. But you could get one that doesn't work for probably two grand.
SPEAKER_05:Uh what's uh I'm gonna check.
SPEAKER_04:But then at that point, it's just a fork. What does a forklift cost?
SPEAKER_05:Um maybe that's the first vehicle we should get as a podcast is a forklift. If you're gonna for modern for for most standard warehouse models.
SPEAKER_04:Okay. If you're gonna pick people up, you might need help. Get a forklift. Oh. Make that a t-shirt. Okay, yeah, write that down. Yeah, certified forklift picker upper. Certified forklift picker upper. No, but then so you know. That's a lot, and then you gotta like I couldn't buy a forklift because I don't have a place to park a fucking forklift. So then you gotta have a place, and then you have to have the right terrain. You trust me. Yeah, so you can't just drive a forklift wherever you want to.
SPEAKER_05:So you gotta call the concrete guy, make sure you got the right concrete. And guess what? Is it is it thick enough?
SPEAKER_04:Do you have a bump here? It is because that's not good. Yeah, you can't do that. Mm-mm.
SPEAKER_05:No, these things are top heavy.
SPEAKER_04:They're they don't, yeah. They're heavy everywhere. I know it's uh yeah. I used to run my uh my uncle had an old propane one uh in his shop out there, and we would he made some steel extenders to put on the fork so we could just pick cars up. So, like all the old cars that were sitting around, like all of them were immobile, so you just sit under there, scoop them up and pick them up and move them around. But he had lips coming out of the shop, and the whole parking lot was like a blacktop gravel type. So you're always getting stuck, you couldn't move anywhere, you're like, god damn it.
SPEAKER_05:So it was a little difficult. But going back to the intentional careers, I think that's kind of where I was getting at is I I've kind of put this new rule on myself, which is I have before I'm allowed to say yes to a new task, that's not like my off, like that's not like a daily like office thing, I have to finish three tasks. So I've got like all these things in my head that I want to get accomplished. Yeah, and it's like from a personal standpoint. I like that. And then I just noticed that, like, and that's the thing. I think my my to-do lists were getting so big, but there's no prioritization around it. And your brain, when it just looks at that or it knows that there's this big thing that's sitting out there, you feel like you're about to go climb Everest and you're thinking about getting to the top before you even take that first. And so it's just overwhelming because it feels, and then you just start crossing, you're like, this actually isn't important, and then you just feel like a weight. You know what?
SPEAKER_04:Um part of my mental processing problem is I think with jobs, uh what the and has been. You think about the glory at the end? No, I don't think about the end. Oh, that's a problem. Yeah, my brother has that problem. I think about all the funduring. No, no, not that either. I think I think in not fully completing something, in the back of your mind, you always have something to do. And so I I I feel uh somehow feel that need to always have something to do.
SPEAKER_05:You don't like going to your default mode network. Okay. That just means being okay with yourself. Uh maybe. Well, I I I've got plenty of journals and data to prove that you don't like being with yourself.
SPEAKER_04:I mean uh plan all the time. Uh no. It is yeah, but that's that's a thing. That's that that's a thing that makes sense to me now. Like as I come upon a completion of something, uh yeah, it just feels like it it does feel good to close that, but then on the other hand, but what there's a false there's a false sense of security in having that something to do, which isn't really a security at all. No, I know it's not it's an open synapse, yeah.
SPEAKER_05:So you're addicted to stress. This is fun.
SPEAKER_04:I like this episode. Uh yeah, it could be.
SPEAKER_05:No, it is. It's not could be, it is. There ain't that ain't no guess. It's like the water boy is like, yes, that ain't no guess.
SPEAKER_04:Is that why my watch always says it has like the body battery thing on it? Oh god, it's always run down. It's always like 20. Yeah, probably they're like, you need to sleep more. And I was like, bitch, I slept nine hours last night.
SPEAKER_05:It it it it really open is this thing working? The open synapses, and it's that's where I've just I've I've learned in the past few months where I just have to say no to shit. And it's like, yeah, that'd be really fun, and I think I'd probably be really good at it, and it would probably be you know entertaining, but yeah, it's not at the expense of everything else in my life that's important, and I've really kind of shed a lot of ancillary things that were fun, but my then that's the problem. You go to work and you're stressed, and like I love my job, I love going into my job, I love and that's when I kind of knew shit was going wrong, is when I'm like at my office fucking hating my life, not because I didn't enjoy what I was doing or the people I worked with, it was just I was the body battery, my battery was dead because I just felt like there was a thousand things around me that were not being done, and it's like actually those things aren't important, but you started it and now you feel like you're not if you don't finish it, you're a failure, and there's all that other that goes. So it's like just you don't you know it's not that important, you gotta prioritize. You only you your point, it's more important to say no to things than it is to say yes things, two things, and then in the same respect, what are the three things I want to get good at before I die? Or what do I want to be because you only have so much.
SPEAKER_04:It's funny because it is like for me, it's a uh another version of self-sabotage, which is a fun little habit that I've had in the course of my life. Yeah, well, you're addicted, and you're addicted to the dopamine hit, maybe.
SPEAKER_05:I am too.
SPEAKER_04:It's great. I know. Um, and I didn't yeah. It was something I kind of realized early on. Like, why would I why would I keep doing this to myself? Like, why would I put something off and then have to go through the frustration and stress of telling somebody like I don't have this done. Whether it was school or work or family or whatever, and and knowing full well like I gotta do it, it's not that hard, but and still you push it. And it's it's that hit of that pure uh like frustration and embarrassment and guilt and all those feelings when that comes to a head, yeah, that you don't like, but that is definitely a some sort of chemical reaction in your body.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:So I guess if you're addicted to heroin, you know, the person's like, I don't really like heroin. It's not good for you. It's not, it's not but but there's this feeling that my body seems to crave. And that's what I was like, oh okay. Well this is no different than taking drugs. Yeah, it's less concentrated, but the chemicals and and hormones that are being released during whatever action that you're doing, it's still a chemical dependency.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah. I think I the uh that that entrepreneur on that episode had a really good kind of litmus test for some like he's he he's like, I get excited about shit all the time. And I think that's I'll go back to that in a second. I think what uh uh one of the thoughts I had earlier was and you were just saying what you're saying was that I think one of our problems is we're both really creative people and we both are decent. Solve problem solving, solving problems. Yeah, and really good dancers. Uh fantastic dancers, world class. Yeah. Um, Jennifer Lopez, next time you go on tour, please let me be a backup dancer because I heard she has a proclivity for sleeping with them. What? Who would have thought? Although I don't know if I could compare to Ben. I think I don't know. He was Batman. Was he? Ben Affleck was Batman.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, but all you gotta do, all you gotta say is. You know how fucking easy this is? That's true.
SPEAKER_03:Do you know how easy this is for me? Do you have any fucking idea how easy this is? This is a fucking joke.
SPEAKER_05:I love this.
SPEAKER_03:And I'm sorry you can't do this. I really am because I wouldn't have to do it. It just never gonna get old.
SPEAKER_05:It's never gonna get old. So I think sometimes we feel like if we don't put our creativity into the world that we have an issue, we have issues, actually. Now that I'm thinking about this, we really have to start reducing the amount of we why do we always think it's our problem and our responsibility? Oh yeah. It's always like I can just do this. And but then you're like, you can't scale that way, and you can't scale life that way. So I think that's one of the things I've talked about. But the the litmus test is he goes, I'll come up with a business idea, and he's like, and I won't do anything about it for two weeks. And he goes, and at the end of the two weeks, uh he goes 90% of the time I've already forgotten about it and I don't really care. He goes, and then there's the then there's the 10% or the you know the one out of a hundred that I just can't sleep. I'm I'm constantly thinking about it. And by the end of the two weeks, if I'm still like obsessed with it, he goes, then I'll then I jump on it. Yeah, and I think that's uh and it's not necessarily about that's that's what business is. That's what I used to do with girlfriends. That's yeah, that's a good one. Sorry, babe. I was uh I was uh taking some time to think about us. Uh but I think here's the thing, I'm gonna say hi to you, and then I'm not gonna talk to you for two weeks. I think we get and it's one of those things where we I was saying earlier of the letting life run you, or you can, you know, really kind of identifying how you can be pushing your life forward. Is I think we I get caught up by problems, and I'm like, I want to solve that. And it's like, wait, was it even my problem to solve? No. Did it actually add much value to anyone's life? No, it just you get it was a flashy, shiny object, and I went full squirrel. And actually, and now I've just I've wasted my time and it's like taking the five minutes to be like, is this actually my problem?
SPEAKER_04:But you know the best part of that is what when you don't fix it, you feel guilty about Oh, 100%. No, dude, not having done the thing that you didn't need to do in the first place.
SPEAKER_05:I spend an ornament amount, and I'm embarrassed amount of time thinking about all the other teams that I don't run at my company. Like, I've I've got a couple different teams that report to me, but like I probably spend more time thinking about the other teams that don't report to me about how they could be doing stuff, and I'm like, why am I doing this? This isn't my response. It's not that like uh I don't it I don't treat it as a not my not my job description, but it's like I just want them to do really well too, and I want to make sure my team can integrate with their team so we have cross, you know, cross-functional performance. I'm gonna use some really douchebag terms here right now, but but then you're like, but then I'll get fixated on it, and it's like, wait, no, no, they have a great manager over there, he's good, he does things differently than I do, or she does things differently than I do, and I need to be okay with that.
SPEAKER_04:So I I read this quote somewhere recently that really related to uh the coaching experience, and it was something along the lines of potential doesn't exist, it's just a thought of what you would do if you were in that person's situation.
SPEAKER_07:Okay, and I was like, ooh.
SPEAKER_05:I in potential can I think that's something that really haunted me growing up was I always heard about how much potential is I think a lot of ADHD people did diagnose ADHD people. Oh, well, like I said, you still do, and it's still, I mean, it's it's done more. It's funny because people be like, Why do you work so hard? Why do you why don't you like you go on vacation, you're still checking everything, you're making I'm like, well, one, I do it because of like my company is great and allows me a bunch of freedom, and I and I love it in the sense that you can do more, and I have, but I I'm like, I don't know, I'm probably trying to prove something to people that thought that I was a piece of shit growing up because I to your what you were saying is like I would wait till 11 o'clock the night before something was due, and you'd see that look of disappointment in my parents' eyes, and it's like I yeah, I guess what I felt guilty for the past three days that I haven't even started it, and you don't even know the freaking anxiety I've had. But you're right, just on the surface, I was able to keep it cool and calm and collect, and it looked like I was having fun, but no, I was a ball of shit.
SPEAKER_04:And I knew now you would get it done, and then you would get that hit from being like, You'll never finish this, and then you do it.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, and now I probably sacrifice I probably sacrifice some sort of level of happiness in my life to prove people that I'm more capable than but I think the the potential thing resonated because you see it's But that's I think potential's a I think potential is a harmful word, and I don't want to like I don't say that in a sense of wanting to protect people's feelings, but I do think when you say to someone the potential is there, you it's kind of just calling them a piece of shit.
SPEAKER_04:Like uh it's viewing something from two different you know perspectives for sure. Like if I'm watching my ten-year-old play soccer, like yeah, if you could just do this and this and this, you'd be amazing. But he's he's not gonna be amazing because he's 10 and he hasn't learned that right now. You know. So Yeah, and it is it's where they're at, I think was the key one we're saying, it's where that person. But the the irony of it is I don't always look at my situation and do the you know, and do the best that that I could be doing in my situation. I'll think about it in like a guilty way, like oh, I should have done. But I but I don't think about it. But I don't really think about it sometimes in an active way of yeah, I'll just do this right now. Like that would be the smart thing to do. Even though I can see it if I was watching anybody else.
SPEAKER_07:You know. So sometimes terribly oblivious. Yeah. I think that's uh um I don't know, you're terribly aware of how shitty I am.
SPEAKER_04:So but also in in a sense of maybe coaching or maybe in a sense for you like working in a business the that feeling you get when I think it can cut down on your level of frustration knowing that one yeah, that's not really your job to literally do what somebody else is doing. Like you're you're probably looking at it incorrectly at that point. You're like, man, if you just did this, like the upside would be huge. But you might not have any control over that. No, you don't. And if you do have some control over that, then you know, what are you gonna do to to bring about that? You know, uh unlock a skill or unlock a an idea or something so that they can, you know, go to the next level that works for me.
SPEAKER_05:And he has no idea what he wants to do when he grows up, which same, which I told I've taught I've had many chats with him on, and I'm just like, hey man, I'm 34 and I don't know what I want to do when I grow up. I'm like, I get it. It's and guess what? You can be you can say the same thing when you're 55, uh 65, 75. I life's not you're not solidified anything you're doing. So but my thing with him is he's smart, and it's but he doesn't he just doesn't have a lot of effort to give. And I don't know the reason why, and I've had chats with him. Like you do realize we you're 20, you don't have a college degree, we gave you an opportunity to start this company, and you can be five years further than your buddies that are all in college right now, because you're building a career, you're building a skill set that you could go to college and learn, but you're gonna get a skill set here, you know, network administration, but you're gonna learn about networks, you're gonna learn about computers, servers, you know, all of that. And that's gonna make you invaluable because that's only it's we're not. I mean, the world is gonna be every day, there's more and more computers and processing and networking needs. Like your job is going to be safe. Now, will AI hamper that? You know, it's just another tool. So, but I'm always like, hey man, this doesn't have to be your future. But if you just invest a little bit of effort into what you're doing, you're leapfrogging yourself, you're making connections, and guess what? You might find something you like to do along the way because right now you don't know anything, so you may as well go down a path because that path is gonna take you somewhere that might have a path offshoot of that. But this whole ideal of just floating, it's not taking you anywhere. So that's where I get into the potential of like, you are smart, you just gotta, you just have to be okay with not knowing sometimes, but still investing. And I think that's a hard thing for people to wrap their minds around of like, okay, I am gonna just invest in this, even if it isn't my passion, right? Because this m because uh I don't the other option is nothing, and that's just me not doing anything, not not not growing.
SPEAKER_04:Here's a bad analogy for that. Ooh, I like the younger person that gets lost in the woods. Is it safer to just sit and remain where you are or to start sprinting in a random direction?
SPEAKER_07:I mean, that's depends where the helicopter's at.
SPEAKER_04:I mean, if you come out alive, but did you die? But did you die?
SPEAKER_05:I don't where is it at? Uh I gotta get it. It's been so long. Yeah, it's been so it's been so long since I've had to use these pads that I'm like, where are they? Where are they? I can't wait till we have a permanent sound guy that can just do that for us.
SPEAKER_07:Uh I need to get you your own sound pads. Can we can we end on the AI?
SPEAKER_05:Okay.
unknown:All right.
SPEAKER_04:Let's do it. I sent this to you, and I I think it's a really half-baked, thought-out idea. Okay. That the movie Goodwill Hunting is oh yeah. A warning for the future of AI. And please present your argument. I can't. I can't. The theory just sounds really cool. Then what? I just you know how people come up, they're like, oh, listen to this fan theory, and then you're like, how you just made shit up. You just made that up about that entire movie. And they're like, yeah, but wouldn't it be cool if it was true? I was like, no, because it's a fucking movie. It's it's a movie. It's still fake. So what how is it a warning? Uh the talking about will as AI, this super intelligent thing. Sentinel sentient sentient being, thank you. That has information gleaned specifically from reading texts. Yes. And not necessarily experiences. Okay. Uh, even the math, the like when he's saying that our favorite.
SPEAKER_03:Do you know how easy this is for me? Do you have any fucking idea how easy this is? This is a fucking joke. Yeah, it's like I'm sorry you can't do it. It's like he doesn't even know I wouldn't have to fucking sit here and watch you fumble around and fuck it up.
SPEAKER_05:He doesn't understand the con he doesn't understand the importance.
SPEAKER_04:But it's almost like gravity, but it's almost like he didn't even learn it. It's just like he knows it.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:You know? And so then the the the famous bench scene when he's you know talking about uh ask you about love and ask about art and and all this kind of stuff. And quote me a sonic. Yeah, and he and he goes through that whole thing, and and so it's this sense of you have a lot of information, but not a lot of experience. That's well, that's and and what and what is what is the ending of the movie? The ending of the movie is him getting out of this for sure thing where he can use all of this information and going and chasing an experience. Which is with a girl.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:So uh I think that the movie definitely is about a a search for connection. And if AI does nothing else, it it can lead and a lot of times does lead to disconnection. How does AI lead to disconnection? I mean, it's doing it right now with with certain youth. Like people Yeah, but that's just I mean, that's that's techno. I mean, I wouldn't necessarily put that on AI. I think the algorithms are getting better at targeting. No, no, no, no. I'm talking about like specific personal interactions with AI chat. Oh, that's dangerous. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:People should be very like the whole people going to therapy on Chat GPT, that's really fucking dangerous.
SPEAKER_04:And I guess I didn't I I don't really do the AI side. It's funny because I was talking about some with somebody It's a tool. Like what people understand is a tool. And it's there's Dur during soccer and and I I had brought this up and I was like, well, if AI becomes like a very sentient being and and goes off on its own and and really has the ability to reinvent itself continuously, uh, which is what people don't always understand. Yeah. That's AGI, which is artificial general intelligence. We're not there. We're not there, but the the warning signs are Yeah, I don't know. Maybe not. But but I but I also I I think there's there's a uh a pessimism from especially our generation when we're growing up. And it's like you're watching the Jetsons cartoon, and in the 80s you're expecting by the year 2020 to have flying cars. For I I can't tell you why the reasoning would be, but that was it was like, oh yeah, we'll have like hovering cars when when no one could really just explain to you the physics of do you know how loud that would be to have that? Like it doesn't work that way.
SPEAKER_05:Well, that was like there was an episode where Joe Rogan had like Elon Musk on, and he's like, and Joe's spitting some fucking theory about well, we'll just is don't we ever think there'll be some kind of like magnetism that'll keep things hovering? And Elon's just like, you know, that's not that's not how magnets work. Like you just the interference and everything, and then he was like, What and then same thing, Elon's like, no, that's called air pollution. We'll have fucking fan like big helicopter fans everywhere. That's no, that's not a solution either. And so that was when I think that's when he was talking about the boring company. He goes, So right now we can go east and west. Yeah, he goes, you know, we we we talk about being able to drive, and he's like, We have congestion issues. He's like, So the only way to go is north and south, and he's like, South is way easier than north, right? And that's when he started building the tunnels, yeah. And it's like, well, we have congestion, so we're gonna have to layer this so that we can reduce that. And then yeah, it's like, no, we we can't go up because that's just gonna create a lot of fucking chaos.
SPEAKER_04:You gotta make tunnels, yeah, which is where kids go missing. Um, I heard that somewhere.
SPEAKER_05:I don't I don't know where it's coming from.
SPEAKER_04:I don't know a lot about tunnels, but uh the Vegas has Vegas is gonna have a moles, Vietnam, beaver, coal mines, beavers build dams, canaries. That's they don't do tunnels at all. Okay, okay, they're birds, yes. And you said coal mines uh abducted children.
SPEAKER_05:Okay, all in tunnels.
SPEAKER_04:I don't know anything good about tunnels.
SPEAKER_05:That's true. Have you heard this? So I I don't know if you saw this, but Scott Galloway, and I was just thinking about the human connection, and this one was on the other day. This is a Bill Maher.
SPEAKER_00:Because safetyism has uh, you know, this is one of the things I have with certain people who make everything about safety. Safety is this is bubble sober or people that basically like the sober movement to get to that place where you are talking to other people and socializing. It's not to excess, but yes, it's social drinking a little bit, maybe sometimes a little too much when you're adolescent, is probably better than sitting in that basement.
SPEAKER_05:So that's Bill, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:But here, this is Scott Galloway who's the second worst thing to happen to young people is remote work. Uh one in three relationships begin at work. This is where you find friends, mentors, and mates, and especially young men need the guardrails of a workplace. But in my view, the worst thing that's happened to young people is the anti-alcohol movement. I've had Huberman on, who I'm a big fan of an anti-on. And my point is that the risks to your 25-year-old liver are risk are are dwarfed by the risk of social isolation. In some, think of all the amazing relationships you've had in your life and be honest. Did alcohol play a role? In some, get out, drink more, and make a series of bad decisions in my payoff.
SPEAKER_04:It's it's there's some truth to that, which is And also, if anyone doesn't know Scott Galloway, that's not that's not like an anarchist uh point of view or something, you know. No, Scott, because that could be really taken out of context, I think.
SPEAKER_05:But Scott Galloway is a uh professor at NYU. He was a finance guy, and then now he's but yeah, there's there's a sense of risk, reward. He talks about that too. I think it might have been that one. He's like, he's like, go out, get drunk, make your own. He's like, stop watching porn. Stop. He's like, stop watching as much porn. He goes, make your own bad porn.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:He's like, just get drunk and make some bad decisions. Yeah. And it's true.
SPEAKER_04:Like, I think But there's there to that point. I was just reading an article where kids are reliant on AI and they're not, they don't know how to like approach people and ask people for whatever, or how to make friends.
SPEAKER_05:A young 20 year old 20. This is a different one, but she's a young girl that works for us now. She's uh got her marketing degree, she's working in our marketing department, and she called a professional vendor the other day, and they asked her a question. She wasn't, and it was like right in the first three seconds of the phone call. She fucking hung up because she panicked, because she just doesn't uh swell at a bug. And it's clean and that's so wild to me because I grew up making like I remember dialing your friend's house hoping that they'd answer and then they'd be their mom. They'd be like, um, can can Jake Susan? Can Jake Yeah, exactly? Can can Jake come to the phone right now? Uh Dylan, were you out late last night with them? No, that no, that was not me.
SPEAKER_04:Or if they had like an older sister. Oh yeah. Like so hey Jennifer, is it's Scott there? She's like, Yeah, you want to talk to him? Like, not really. I just kind of called to talk to you. Yeah.
SPEAKER_07:Shut up, creep.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah. No, it's um God forbid the dating.
SPEAKER_04:Answers. Okay, no. Dude, calling your what do you what are you doing calling my house? I was like, what are you doing getting up off the couch, Joe?
SPEAKER_05:Go sit down. Call your girlfriend and have their parents answer. God, that was awesome. I missed those days. Now, now nobody answers anything. Nobody even answers a door.
SPEAKER_03:No.
SPEAKER_05:I don't. I you mean look at that Jersey mic sitting on my counter right now. No contact delivery. Not because I'm afraid of germs.
SPEAKER_04:Hey, look at I know you're driving a UPS truck, but I can't be sure. I can't be sure. Not gonna open the door.
SPEAKER_07:Damn.
SPEAKER_05:It's not gonna happen. It is. Um the big one in our the big one in our office, because we're in tech, so obviously we have a lot of nerds, and I put myself in that category. But the amount of people the amount of people that watch people game, they're watching people video, like they're watching the streamers, and it's yeah, it's good. It's just mind-boggling. That's fun. Okay. But I'm like, what do you do when you go home? They're like, oh, we watch this. I'm like, so you you're your your life is watching other people live their life. That's and again, it's it's I don't I don't think anyone in our office is unhealthy where like that's all they do, but that's always just been really intriguing to me. Um, that I'm watching somebody else live. Yeah, but don't we do that a lot? I don't know. I watch I watch people building airplanes, so I guess that's the same thing. Yeah, it's it seems very I'm trying to learn though, is that like I'm like, how'd you do that part?
SPEAKER_04:They don't have to go make that. They do to an extent too. Like I notice it with Phoenix does it, Corbin does it, and it's whatever game they're into at the time. It's like, oh, could I do this? Is this a different tactic? Is this a different way I can move on this thing? Is this a and it's uh I don't like it because of the attention because a lot of times they're playing the game while they're watching somebody play the game. Jesus. And so they're not I don't feel like they're really tuned into either specifically, and that's the well, that's what they've been talking about. And then the TV's on in the background, too. That's how there's music playing.
SPEAKER_05:There's uh they're basically saying like you can it's not called ADHD. Oh god, I gotta get that book out again. It's one of my books upstairs, but it feels like brain fry. No, but basically like people are developing ADHD not from you know not basically being born with it or having whatever, you know, the origin of it. You're just but you're fighting it, you're creating it in your body by just doing this whole constant stimulation. And that like that happened to me yesterday. If and I I'll catch myself doing it where I had the TV on and then I'm like scrolling reels, which I don't ever like the past two weeks, I've scrolled more reels than I think I have in my entire life. So I've got to be. But then it's like I got that, and then I'm like, oh, I need to go. I need and then I start shopping, and I've got the T and I'm like, wait, what just happened in the movie? And it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You just you laid on the couch to relax before you were going out. Like, yeah, so I made myself turn my phone off and just like watch the goddamn movie. Yeah, like just focus and just chill. Like you're just you're not actually relaxing right now because you're just frying your brain to your point with just this constant stimulation.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I like laying down, putting on the heating pad that I don't have anymore because I had to give it to Corbin. Why? Because I walked in his room yesterday and his Is he jerking off with it? Remote no, Jesus Christ. The remote was that's one reason to get rid of it. The remote was in the cup of coffee next to his bed. Cause like he just his bed is his bed is elevated, so it's like slightly higher than the dresser. And I walk in there and the remote just fell and it landed fully in the and fully submerged in the cup of coffee. And he's just sitting there watching TV. Kid's my favorite. That kid is my favorite.
SPEAKER_01:What the fuck is this?
SPEAKER_07:What's going on?
SPEAKER_04:I was like, Well, you don't have a heating pad anymore. That's what's going on. I love that kid so much. I mean, if he can't drop it, he'll dunk it in something. Yeah, you know. He's hard on shit, isn't he? We stopped at uh coffee shop in Orient and yesterday after uh a basketball game, and so he's got uh like Italian soda or something. And I'm walking down the hallway and I hear a drink fall, and I turn around and he's holding his drink, and it looks like it's pouring out of the bottom of the cup, so it obviously broke. So there Italian soda all over the floor, and then he proceeds to sit it on the counter that is full of shit. Oh my god, and it's still leaking everywhere. And I'm like, why? What why would you put it there?
SPEAKER_07:So that's yeah, it's my life. He just drops everything all the time. I love it, including yeah.
SPEAKER_04:So I gave up my heating pad and gave it to him. Jesus made sure it was on the other side. Did my mom something can't happen.
SPEAKER_05:I I'm I'm still hard on shit. Like, I just I already know. Like whenever I buy something, like I the sunglasses I have are expensive. And I remember buying them and just being like, You're a fucking idiot, because you know you're gonna destroy these. Luckily, I haven't yet, knock on wood. But my mom used to make me put my hands in my pockets before we'd go in the store because I was just a wrecking ball.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, it it doesn't even matter if the hands are in your pocket because then these they're like leaning and bouncing on things, and like, what's wrong with you?
SPEAKER_05:I was always afraid of the key in the head, and my dad would fucking take a key and just jab you. Oh, yeah. He had beamer keys, so they're like square, they weren't like sharp and jagged. You're like, you hit me in the ear. Dude, he would just like take, take like it, just like a sixteenth of an inch of that, and he would just put his finger and he would just knock you in the head, and you'd be like, fuck. Yeah. That explains a lot. Oh, I know. I know. Yeah. So anyway, human connection, keeping your world smaller. Will is AI. Drink more caffeine. Drink more caffeine, alcohol.
SPEAKER_04:Don't drink drink more alcohol, drink less caffeine. Some caffeine. No. Some alcohol. A lot of caffeine? No caffeine after two o'clock. Okay.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Okay. I oh sleep's important, man. I'll end on this. Uh I was talking to one of my friends, and shh, it was after our last snow we had here. And she goes, You weren't outside shoveling, were you? And I was like, Well, that was that was snow blowing. I was like, why? Was that you and the flamethrower? She goes, You shouldn't shovel. I go, What do you mean you shouldn't shovel? She goes, People over 45 shouldn't shovel.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, this yeah, the study suggests that you're gonna have a heart attack.
SPEAKER_04:And I go, what? And she goes, Yeah, that you're very likely to have a heart attack. And I was like, Yeah, but not from shoveling. I'm not gonna have a heart attack from shoveling.
unknown:No.
SPEAKER_04:I'm gonna have a heart attack from this conversation. Yeah, like I I take prescription methamphetamine and I drink 800 milligrams of caffeine a day. I'm not, I'm not gonna have a heart attack from shoveling. That's not it. No. Also, people have heart attack from shoveling because they don't do shit else 10 months out of the year.
SPEAKER_05:Please tell me how shoveling is different from my job as a carpenter. You know, you're like, I'm a I'm a fucking I'm a carpenter. Like I don't know, I fucking build shit for a living. I'm always up and down moving around. Tell me how this is different. It because you're cold? Yeah, I think that's part of it.
SPEAKER_07:Is it?
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, I'm not cold, I got good team. I think it's the extreme conditions that's not. I don't know. It's not extreme. Do you know how much I love cold air? It was really cold last night. And it's it's do you know how a bitch. What I love about cold air is when you're a little ripped and you're like, oh, I'm a little drunk right now. And then you walk out and you get a blast and you're like, I'm back, baby. Yeah, it's sober. And then you walk back inside and you're like, no, no, I'm not. I'm not. This feels like hell in here. It does. It is amazing how it is just a little bit of a superpower for you for a couple.
SPEAKER_04:It was even better when the bars you could smoke and you'd go outside and you're just like, it was like you were in some minty bubblegum commercial, and you're like, and then you walk back inside and it's just seventh circle of hell with nicotine in the air. Yeah, yeah, just dripping off the ceiling.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, just yellow tar everywhere. Well, on that note, don't don't buy yellow tar.
SPEAKER_04:Don't smoke it either. No, that's black tar. Yeah, don't do black tar.
SPEAKER_05:Don't do black tar here. Yellow tar's okay. All right, kids, you heard it here first. Thank you.
SPEAKER_02:You still here It's over.
