We Tried To Plan A Race To Mongolia And All We Got Was Anxiety, Stoicism, And A Puke Bidet

A song cue, a cult movie memory, and one reckless idea—drive a tiny car from Prague to Kazakhstan. That’s the spark. What follows is the real story: two friends stress-testing the line between adventure and responsibility, and discovering how journals, Stoicism, and honest conversation can keep both the engine and the mind running. We weigh the rush of open routes against the people who need us home, then explore the tools that make meaning possible when big trips aren’t.

We dig into daily practices that actually help: one-line logs that reveal patterns, a Daily Stoic routine that anchors mornings and nights, and long-form writing that lets hard truths surface. We get candid about AI in schools and why more writing now happens in class, then make a case for liberal arts as a superpower when problems don’t come neatly labeled. Along the way, we revisit Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance—romance versus analysis, quality as a way of seeing—and apply it to modern life.

The heart of the episode goes deep on men’s mental health. We talk passive suicidal ideation with plain words, how to signal “I’m not okay” without turning it into a performance, and why “sit in the mud” support beats quick fixes. Partners get a workable script: set boundaries with the “let them” mindset, invite conversations at the end of a tough note, and focus on presence, not solutions. Parents get a practical approach to the birds-and-bees, consent, and rides home: decriminalize the ask, praise the gut-check, keep the channel open.

We end with a better compass for hard things. Maybe not Kazakhstan. Maybe a punishing hike, a local challenge, a project that scares you just enough to grow. Choose something demanding, measurable, and survivable. If this mix of adventure, mental health, and everyday philosophy resonates, tap follow, share it with a friend who needs the nudge, and leave a review telling us the “hard thing” you’re choosing next.

Chapters

• 0:00 Cold Open, Songs, And Cult Movies
• 2:45 Memory, Aphasia, And How Brains Fail Us
• 6:55 Print Magazines, Tools, And The Lure Of Adventure
• 12:25 The Mongol Rally Temptation And Routes
• 18:40 Oddball Rallies, Risk, And Why We Seek Danger
• 24:10 Journals Appear: Routine, Stoicism, And Reflection
• 31:45 School Tiers, AI Cheating, And Liberal Arts
• 39:00 Philosophy Careers, Thought Experiments, And Self-Driving Ethics
• 46:05 Zen, Quality, And Motorcycle Maintenance
• 53:40 Let-Them Theory, Boundaries, And Ownership
• 1:00:20 Parenting, DVDs To Streaming, And Generational Shifts
• 1:08:30 Men’s Mental Health, Suicidality, And Speaking Up
• 1:18:00 Writing As Therapy, Partners, And Communication Gaps
• 1:26:20 Teens, Honesty, And The Birds-And-Bees Playbook
• 1:35:10 Age, Looks, Beards, And Subcultures
• 1:41:40 Hard Things Closer To Home, Not Kazakhstan
• 1:51:00 Laughs, Lines, And Rolling Credits

Transcript

Dylan: 0:00

This is the Terribly Unoblivious Podcast.

Ferris: 0:03

Yep. I said it before and I'll say it again. Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while. You could miss it.

Dylan: 0:22

Almond Brothers, Midnight Rider. That's how we're starting it. Hit the record button. It's it's red. Were you ready? You weren't ready. He's not even doesn't have his microphone.

Brad: 0:33

I wasn't ready. I do really like that song though. It's a good song. Yeah. That was at the end of uh I think that one was Devil's Rejects.

Dylan: 0:41

I couldn't tell you. Never seen it.

Brad: 0:43

No? Uh maybe. I don't remember. Uh they're just they just murdered everybody, the entire movie. Sounds like my kind of movie. And then they're driving down the road in a sorry for everyone. I've got a new microphone stand. I'm trying to fucking figure out again. Convertible Cadillac. They're just cruising, and then up ahead is a giant police blockade. And I can't remember if they actually So Sons of Anarchy just stole their entire plot line. Pretty much. Yeah, more or less. Just making sure. Well, not exactly. Because Sons of Anarchy, he was driving away from. Like he was being chased by. These guys are driving into. And this song is playing in slow motion. They just keep on driving right in there. We go. It was a good song, though.

Dylan: 1:20

I like it. Yeah. Not agreement. So I was up in your restroom right before we started here in this beautiful, beautiful studio. Great. We've got Brad's. Actually, Brad has a better studio than I have.

Brad: 1:29

Yeah, but I have distractions.

Dylan: 1:30

Yeah, your wife is making foods upstairs, multiple. And your son is over here playing. What game is he playing? Probably Rocket League. So he's playing Rocket League. He's talking to a girl. Said it was his grandma, but we all know that's not true. And he keeps calling me Unk. Yeah, that's because you're old. I just don't understand it. But I understand I'm old. Like I'm on uncle status. Is that what that means? It's a thing the kids say. Okay. It's like 6'7. Like wanker. Wanka.

Brad: 1:56

Wanka. They don't say that, but they should. People say that. Yeah. I mean, I I fully support adopting British culture. Do you still have subscription to We're getting rid of the Declaration of Independence anyways? Are we?

Dylan: 2:10

Yeah. When did that happen?

Brad: 2:11

We're just gonna burn it up.

Dylan: 2:12

Like, are we gonna go to the Wait, is the Declaration of Independence at the Lincoln Memorial or is it at Library of Congress?

Brad: 2:19

Uh spoiler alert at Nicolas Cage's house. Oh yeah. Yeah. That was that National Treasure.

Dylan: 2:25

Actually, a documentary. Maybe the best. Okay. Top five documentaries, Top Gun, Armageddon, and then National Treasury. Armageddon. Actually, Armageddon might. Come on, I had a perfect seat picked out there.

Brad: 2:37

Steve Bissemi. What is it's um that's the that's the next soundbite we need. Steve Bissemi. No, it's all fun and games till somebody gets shot in the leg. Oh, yeah. Harry. Isn't it sad that Bruce Willis can't remember making that movie? Uh I think it's sad that he can't remember a lot.

Dylan: 2:56

I didn't realize all that was going on. The aphasia. Yeah. Yeah, that's a very interesting because it's not, it's it's and I'm gonna totally butcher this. And um, my sister-in-law is an expert in this area, but it starts there there's memory loss, but it's also like a it's a neurological disorder in terms of connecting like your synapses. So it it's still there, you just don't know how to get it out. Like that's how it starts. You just there's a the word is in your brain or the memory is in your brain, but then your brain doesn't know how to transfer it to your motor skills for you to actually like talk about it. But do you know it? That's what they say. Like in your brain, yes.

Brad: 3:35

How frustrating must that be?

Dylan: 3:37

That's what yeah. It's and then I think it does I think it it it advances from there where you do forget like for real, for real. But I think it starts as the the pathway where it's just your body is you know, left side, right side, can't can't compute, or just doesn't transfer.

Brad: 3:52

Yeah, but aren't we all in a state of that? Especially when we drink, just you remember what you want to remember and how you want to remember. I mean, I that's you don't remember actual memories.

Dylan: 4:01

There's a reason that there are witness expert lawyers because they know how to exploit that. Yeah. What's the made-up statistic that we always listen to, which is like 80% of your memories aren't even actually real? Yeah. Yeah. Which is kind of bananas that they allow eyewitness to even testify at the same time. But that's what I've always said. It's like, and this isn't an anti back the blue statement, by the way. Like, I I believe in law enforcement, I believe in law and order. This is an anti-reality statement. But a cop will testify, and then they'll take that word over your word. And you're like, why is his word any more valuable than mine? Well, because he's infallible. That's but it's like it's it's mostly when you're in a court of law, there should be no nobody's word is above whatever that I don't know. It's above the rim?

Brad: 4:41

What? Above the rim? A rim of what? Over the top? Toilet bowl rim? No, I'm just naming movies now. We talked about face-off on Sunday. Good documentary? Uh, not a documentary. Yeah, technically a medical documentary. Medical journal.

Dylan: 4:53

What is the percent of memories that are guess what I have here shrew or humans? What do you have? That's where in my basement. You have a uh light caster thingy. I have old journals. Oh yeah, pull them out. I did. Speaking of old journals, before we go there, I was trying to ask this question and then you cut me off. But I was using the restroom. You have fine home building magazines in your is it? Is it yeah? Is it fine home building? Yeah. Do you have a subscription? Yeah. I have been one I have a lot of magazine subscriptions still, and I keep adding because I I hate I shouldn't say this. I don't mind it, but I remember growing up in the 90s, early 2000s, and getting the big, beautiful magazines. And we talked about this with the Mountain Gazette. Like there's something about print when you're flipping through it and the creativity and the it doesn't come through for me on a computer screen. So when I yeah, I and I I have I do always do the digital and the print subscriptions to media now. But like I I have Condoness Traveler, I have Bone Appetite, I have oh, what's the There's a lot of not good ones though. There's a lot of not good ones. Like but uh I like I like magazines.

Brad: 6:01

I think that's why I like the Mountain Gazette because it's fun to flip through. It takes multiple like you can just keep going through.

Dylan: 6:08

So they're doing like a legit like publishing cycle. This kid over here. Tunking me right now.

Brad: 6:12

Yeah. Okay. But every uh a lot of the other ones I could just read stand in the grocery store and be done. That's enough. Like what? Find home building. Really? Not that good anymore.

Dylan: 6:23

I mean, there's there's so many very specific re like it's probably an article that they like look back at like a uh an edition back from the 70s and 80s, and they're like, Oh yeah, we could redo that story.

Brad: 6:35

For me, it's usually one article that's decent, and then is there any new tools or tech? But a lot of it is like new industry standards, like new HVAC industry standards, how to uh test your house for air leaks using a giant expensive negative air system. So it's information, it's learning, but not really actually.

Dylan: 6:56

Feels like every time I get a magazine.

Brad: 6:58

Yeah, I used to get the four-wheel drive magazines all the time. That was fun.

Dylan: 7:00

Yeah.

Brad: 7:01

Uh ooh, that reminds me, because I always wanted uh cars, uh four-wheel drive truck, four-wheelers, even though why? Why do we like toys like that?

Dylan: 7:10

Because that third like we want a four we've been talking about this. We want a forklift now. And one how often are we gonna actually use that forklift? More than I would probably use a off-road vehicle. Okay, so five times a year versus two times a year. Yeah, okay. But I we still need it.

Brad: 7:22

But part of the I think part of the appeal was uh the adventure portion for me. Because the magazines, you don't you don't just look at the dude's Jeep in his garage. No, they're gone somewhere.

Dylan: 7:31

Because they're on the trails, they're gone somewhere.

Brad: 7:33

So they seem super appealing because that's that's what I want to do. But there's uh not a lot of that to be had. Close. I mean, it's it's work. You gotta work on the vehicle, and then you gotta work to get to the place and it's time and money and all that stuff. There is a rally called the Mongol.

Dylan: 7:51

It's called the Mongol Rally, maybe. Is it in the United States? It is not, and it's by this company called Is it in Mongolia? It it's so it's motoring stupidity on a global scale. And I was gonna ask you to do this, but I know your wife, so I haven't even brought it up yet. It's a 10,000 mile race. Jesus. And why I mean, why wouldn't she let me? Okay, this is how long you're gonna be gone. Six months. So basically, you have to go a third of the way around the planet in a vehicle you swapped for a bag of crisps. There's uh there's a bunch of rules, but basically How? But just just listen. Just l so you start in Chetnya near Prague, and then you go to far east Kazakhstan because we can't go to Mongol. My wife because of Russia. We have to go to Kazakhstan. Yeah. So basically, their whole thing is like we feel the world's far too safe and organized. We've got to go have some freedom. It's an unroute. So basically, there is no set route. You just have to get to the place and you can take whatever roads you want. Great. Um, apparently, there's a whole thing on getting into Azerbaijan, which I you know, I get Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan, thank you. So it starts uh July 11th, and August 22nd is the closing ceremony. That seems fast. Seems pretty fast. How do you trade for a car? Just just let me get to the rules. Okay, I don't like that. I don't like that vehicle. You can only take a F-A-R-C-I-C-A-L-L-Y, a farces farcically small vehicle of one liter or less. They'll allow up to 1.3 liters, though, in parentheses. Um, you need to drive a small shit car to make the rally tougher. It's no fun if it's too easy. If you want to easy, go for a spa weekend. The ultimate rally vehicle is a tiny 50cc motorbike with no room for luggage. Jesus. Yeah, so basically, oh, rule number two, you're completely on your own. Oh, I don't like this. Rule number three, raise $500 for a charity, the rally vehicle. So Well, that's not a tiny car, though. So you only get a you only get a car that has a one-liter engine or a hundred or a thousand cc, and you have to take the car home with you. So you could win the goddamn thing. But if the car doesn't make it back home, you're DQ'd. Yeah, you gotta ship the car home. You gotta get out of Kazakhstan, man. You can't scrap it, you can't leave it. Yeah, all vehicles must be driven or shipped back to whence they be they uh once they came.

Brad: 10:02

So you got I don't understand. What do you mean? So you you gotta drive 10,000 miles and then get the car back to where it started? Yeah, like back well, like back to your like if I started in, you know.

Dylan: 10:12

Yeah, I think I'd have to get back to Iowa. This I I I don't I don't I think I'm gonna do this. I don't like this. I'm doing this. What? What do you mean? I don't know. Why? What do you mean? Why? I think it sounds awesome.

Brad: 10:23

Hit us up if you've been around super sketchy parts of the country, the world, in the world. All right, let's just let's just type in Prague.

Dylan: 10:30

I think this is what would happen is I would I just go to Prague and then be like, what happened to Dylan? You've been there two weeks. Exactly. And then where is it end in Kazakhstan? Um uh to the finish line as far as Kazakhstan around the I like this. It's it's around the Iratesh River or Lake Zansen. We're not sure yet. Let's directions. So I don't know. I don't have enough going on in my life right now. There is a uh motorcycle documentary with you and McGregor. Yeah, yeah. Another guy. Well, there's the long way around, there's the long way down, yeah, and then they're doing the third one, yeah.

Brad: 11:10

The long way around, though, they take uh they basically do this, yes. They do, and they actually go they go through like Mongolia and stuff. Mm-hmm. But that was a while ago. They went through Russia. That was a while ago.

Dylan: 11:19

They got that glacier melt and they had to have those crazy vehicles go do the river crossing.

Brad: 11:24

Yeah. But it's they that story, they somewhere in I don't know if remember it was in Russia or just in one of the countries outside of it, and these guys stopped them. We're like, hey, you come stay at our house. They're like, Okay. And this guy ended up being some type of mobster type, yeah, something very hospitable. Yeah, but they were partying, and then the AK-47s came out, and they're like, is this okay?

Dylan: 11:46

Yeah, so that's the crazy part is we can't go up to Ukraine. So we're gonna go Croatia, Serbia, Bulgaria, probably gonna cross to Istanbul, go across Turkey, Azerbaijan, Georgia, up and around, or we can go south to Tehran. That sounds fun. The Turk and then the Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan. Now you're just about to names. I wish I was.

Brad: 12:07

What is the there's a off-road challenge? I know we've talked about it years ago. Where you're supposed to be the camel, it's in it's in the United States, I think. And you drive shitty cars. Oh like people take limousines and stuff. No, yeah, that's the um you get $50.

Dylan: 12:22

You have to go to the junk yellow or something. My buddy Kenny wanted to race it. You start in like uh Oregon, it's the show like rally with cheap cars in US. Oh, was that the 24 hours of lemons? It's not that one. The 100-acre wood rally, no. Nope, nope, the gold rush rally, no. There's so many of these coming out nowadays. This is how you know there's too much money in the world, is when you get to do dumb shit like this and it's fucking profitable.

Brad: 12:49

You don't always have to be have a lot of money to do it.

Dylan: 12:51

No, but I just mean like when it's you know what's what you know what's funny, or is this just people's way of saying we don't have enough adventure in our lives? I true. Yeah. Uh Demolition Derbies. Uh-huh. Yeah. What about them? I don't understand. I I think it's fun for the I don't understand it either. I don't know how you win. Because it costs money.

Brad: 13:10

I think. Does it? Well, it costs it costs time. But I mean, I know some people that do it, and obviously you gotta be pretty mechanically inclined. Uh I guess sometimes maybe you get cars for free, but a lot of times they keep the same cars and just fix them over and over, maybe if they're not completely busted. Oh yeah, it's a lot. I mean, it's not like wrecking a brand new car. How would you like to do the Mongol rally and then this?

Dylan: 13:31

There are no points for second place.

Brad: 13:33

Top gun?

Dylan: 13:34

Just no points for second place.

Brad: 13:35

Oh. Yeah, you're not doing it to get points, though, right?

Dylan: 13:38

I don't know. So they've got a whole you know, you know what would be. They've got a couple different rallies. So they've got the monkey run. You know what would be fun about that though? What? Staying alive. Like the Bee Gees? No. Or just like literally living, surviving. Yeah, I'm in. Yeah. I I would like to live. So they've got the monkey run. Yeah. So the monkey run. What's this one? Give me the details. You can use a 50cc bike only. Those are mini bikes. Yeah, that's exactly. Um what's the what's the route? The monkey run. So you can do Morocco, you can do Peru, you can do Mongolia. Yeah. That's a lot of different runs. You got way off my topic. I know, but then there's one more. The rickshaw. This is the one, Brad.

Brad: 14:16

We're not doing a rickshaw. The rickshaw, dude, this one.

Dylan: 14:19

You know why I can't do these? Why?

unknown: 14:21

Poop. Oh, yeah.

Dylan: 14:22

Well, I mean, if you're in India, you can shit wherever you want.

Brad: 14:25

Yeah, I know, but it would happen a lot.

Dylan: 14:27

That so I think it's for everyone, not just you. Oh. You would literally be on an even playing field with because when white people go to this country and their stomachs are not set up for it.

Brad: 14:37

Technically, I might have a leg up.

Dylan: 14:39

Exactly. I'm already used to it.

Brad: 14:40

I'm already used to it. Yeah. Can I take medicines?

Dylan: 14:42

Uh yeah. Because I I have to. So basically we can get a rickshaw and we race it a couple thousand miles. Can we just start making up our own races? I've thought about it.

Brad: 14:50

I think we would be really good at it. Like you have to buy a donkey from someone in the state. That's not fun though. Why?

Dylan: 14:57

Um this is the this is the one that looks like the best to me is the polls of inconvenience.

Brad: 15:02

See, you can do like really dangerous stuff in the United States. Like Top Gear did one where they wrote graffiti all of each each other's cars and drove through Arkansas.

Dylan: 15:12

Yeah.

Brad: 15:12

And said things like, you know, Hillary Clinton 2008.

Dylan: 15:15

Oh, I forgot about that one.

Brad: 15:16

Something like that. Yeah. And they almost died. Give me the rules on this one. Pulls of inconvenience. It doesn't take a lot. You don't have to go near Russia to experience danger. Explore your own backyard.

Dylan: 15:26

We have it all right here. From the northern tip of Scandinavia down to Western Sahara and all the way over to Turkey and Georgia in the east. Basically, they have waypoints all over Europe and they're poles and they're completely polar opposite of each other. And you get points for going to all the different poles. So like if you're a crazy man, you can just start driving all these crazy different locations. And they're not like it's not your Starbucks. It's like this really obscure park in the middle of fucking nowhere. No. Yeah. Um, any vehicle is allowed as long as it's unsuitable. Aim for the smallest and crappiest adventure cherry. As long as it's unsuitable. Yeah. Um, yeah. We can go to the Sahara. We can it how long does it last? This looks like fun. P O I used to mean point of interest on a normal boring map, not anymore. Now it stands for poles of inconvenience, a beacon of hope in the world being suffocated by sensibleness. I like this. I dislike all of this. I'm in. No. I'm in. No set route. You choose what poles to aim for in what over order you want. I'm gonna start booing this conversation. Okay, what do you want to talk about now? Sorry.

Brad: 16:25

I just wanted to I don't know. I just said Jeep, and then you were like, let's go to Mongolia. That's a fucking problem. It's a perfectly linear route in my head, not yours. There's a lot of yarn strings in between those two things. So you're saying you're out. I was trying to say I like the idea of cars because of the adventures. So adventures like what, locally? Yeah. Well, less so probably with the four-wheel drive stuff. Yeah. Just because they're oh yeah, that's what we were talking about, too. Jesus Christ. We were talking about garages and then the Jeeps just saying, Oh my god. What? What I have to deal with. Oh, I had to deal with the city. I gotta bring the last half an hour. I gotta bring everybody back in now. Okay. Everyone's like, I don't even know what the fuck we were talking about. We're talking about adventure. And then you I I you got on the tube and just went you went you went too hard. I can't use that term, but yeah.

Dylan: 17:13

Okay.

Brad: 17:13

Yeah. Be curious, not judgmental. Well, I'm being kind of judgmental right now. I know. So but Croatia to um No, no Croatia. Kazakhstan. No.

Dylan: 17:23

No, no. Not even a little bit.

Brad: 17:24

You know what's in Kazakhstan? Mama Life.

Dylan: 17:27

I yeah, yeah. Yeah, I saw that one coming. But so for you, so magazines, getting back to print media, it creates a sense of adventure in your mind. Yeah.

Brad: 17:36

But now it's which is which is what magazines are supposed to do. They're supposed to tell a story, and you know, some of them at least. That's how they're entertaining. What story does southern living tell us? How to live southernly.

Dylan: 17:45

Oh okay. Yeah.

Brad: 17:46

I don't know what that means. I don't think it's uh probably involves uh uh what do they call it? Dutch oven? Yeah, yeah, the cooking utensil. Yeah, not the sheet making not the colloquial term pink eye, the pink eye, yeah, yeah. Yeah, the Cleveland steamer.

Dylan: 18:00

I don't think that's what that means either.

Brad: 18:02

No, that's different. Yeah, very different. But I never never got around to getting one of those fun cars. What's your what's your dream car? And and now I don't have fun. No, I because of it. I see that. That was my only route to fun.

Dylan: 18:15

Yeah.

Brad: 18:16

And I think it's been abandoned.

Dylan: 18:18

I think talking about your wedding the other night was really my wedding? Your wedding night, and how it just really spiraled out of control is really, really telling of where we're at in our lives. I don't think it spiraled. How long did you leave your wife for? Where? In her room, where you're trying to consummate and then you're like, guys, just start talking to me.

Brad: 18:34

Nobody was trying to do that.

Dylan: 18:35

Okay.

Brad: 18:35

I mean, no, I mean, I like I wasn't. I I understand you maybe like other people in the hotel might have been. Time is a flat circle. We're not going there. And who really knows how long I was gone? You know, long enough for her to be annoyed. Yeah. I love when you walk back into the room and she's just sitting on the bed with her arms crossed. Where were you? How many so that's a really good point?

Dylan: 18:57

I'd have fallen asleep. That's a really good point. How many people do you think were annoyed on the night of their wedding by their significant other? Not the guests and all the other bullshit, but like how many, what do you think the percentage of marriages? Well, how many marriages end? You think it's every one of those? At least. I've had this thought recently, and I'm at least I was talking to this, and I think if you if people were perfectly honest, so we're we're thinking about like a true economic study, like perfect information, you know, homo economicus. Ever every divorce that happens, I would say an angel gets its wings. 80% of them probably knew their wedding night that it this wasn't right. Like if people were perfectly honest with each other or with themselves, I just have this sneaking suspicion that most people would be like, Yeah, this wasn't gonna work out, which is kind of a hope and a prayer.

Brad: 19:50

That's pretty hard to be honest about in hindsight, isn't it? Don't don't you feel like that would taint the outcome? Yeah. Maybe.

Dylan: 19:56

But I'm just no, I just I don't mean that way. I mean if people

Brad: 20:00

People like really, really to get accurate information when you have to ask them on their wedding night. But then no, no, it's gonna last.

Dylan: 20:05

But that's what I mean. Like, I I'm not saying like post. I'm saying if you could really go back and really investigate that. I think that's so hard though. I think you that's so hard though, because if you I think you'd have a really high rate. And and it's like if you could talk to them before they got married and just say, listen, the social pressure, this, this, this, and this don't matter. You know, you your body's telling you biologically it wants a baby or it wants a marriage, you gotta shut that out. You're you're settling. This is there's no biological feeling that says you want a marriage. No. I would argue that in the sense that it's not a pure biological need to be married, but I think it gets misconstrued as marriage, then the baby, then the other like the biological feelings come post-marriage because of religion. That's all gone. I don't think so. I don't, I don't, I don't think so at all. It's more gone. It's more gone. Maybe, maybe not though. It might be coming back harder, actually.

Brad: 20:59

Maybe not though. Um, in terms of societal norms, I remember I was uh at a friend's house and she was doing the oh, what's the like ancestry? Ancestry.com. Yeah, like one of those genealogy. Yeah, one of those type of deals. And was going through all of it and her grandma was there, and so she's pulling these names and kind of going through this thing, and her grandma knew of a lot of a generation or two, you know, prior to. So she was aware of this and could kind of connect some of the dots. Uh, but going through the public records of all these different people, it's like, oh, divorced. Oh, divorced, oh, divorced. This was like early 1900s. Um, family has a genetic predisposition, predisposition for divorce. And and so you just kind of think like, oh, this that's a rare, that's a rare happening. Uh-huh. It seems like. And yeah, apparently not so rare. Like divorced, went to prison, got married again, killed his wife, got divorced because she's dead. A casual, casual murder in that? Maybe. I don't know. I guess you I guess times were better back then. Things were real loosey goosey back then, you know? Yeah. It's uh She is a witch. It's a lot of easy, yeah. Yeah. Does she float? Does she float?

Dylan: 22:03

I mean what else floats?

Brad: 22:04

A duck. So I I think we can get I think we do get skewed a little bit. If I think you have to go back far enough. What do we like? I like when when we talk about uh divorce as being a societal taboo, that was like a 50s, 60s thing. That was a Catholic church, though. Which was a 50s, 60s thing.

Dylan: 22:23

I mean, it goes back farther than that. It does, but like I mean, there's a reason that there's the Church of England now. It's because the king of England wanted a divorce and the Pope said no. Yes. Uh and he was like, guess what? I started my own church. Done.

Brad: 22:33

Yeah. Well, I mean, especially after Kennedy, and you know, that became a little bit He was the first Catholic. Yeah, that became a little bit bigger thing.

Dylan: 22:39

So but which is so weird to think about that he was the first.

Brad: 22:43

Well, who else is? No, he was the first Catholic.

Dylan: 22:45

First and only? Who else has been Catholic since him?

Brad: 22:48

I mean, there's a lot of Catholics. I know, but non-presidents. Um uh Nixon? No, not that wasn't true, was it?

Dylan: 22:55

That's crazy to think about that he was the first Catholic. And like it was a big yeah. JFK, oh Biden. No, the only two Biden and JFK are the only two openly Catholic presidents. Only one got assassinated. So he's got that one had a monopoly down. Good. I mean, I will say that Joe Biden. If I look that cold 87 crushed aviators, yes. Oh, look who's joining us. Oh, is it actually happening? Well, we're talking. You can't just come in and say it's cute. If you wanted to say something, get on the goddamn microphone. Yeah, that's what it set up there. Got it. It sounds like somebody's humping a doorbell upstairs. Did you tighten it so that it won't make noise? I can turn it here. I've got it turned all the way down. You can touch it as much as you want. Oh. Ooh.

Brad: 23:32

Oh, you meant the microphone. Yeah, er, it, her. I got you. A possessive. I see what's going on here. Hold this.

Dylan: 23:40

We have a new guest in the audience. Not in the audience, in the in the a new guest host. Don't spill the wine.

Shannon: 23:46

Don't spill the wine on the nice carpet.

Dylan: 23:48

No, on the podcast equipment. Okay, so Shannon's mic is live. Nobody gives a shit about how's your house. Yeah, you want those on. Otherwise, how's that? How's that sound? You want it up or down?

Shannon: 23:58

I mean, I can hear you. Oh my hear me.

Dylan: 24:00

You gotta put that up close.

Brad: 24:02

You gotta be right on top of that. You can you can just hold it. Don't say don't say shweaty balls.

Dylan: 24:06

Oh, she was about to. It is Christmas time. It is Christmas time.

Shannon: 24:10

You know what? I just got done eating.

Dylan: 24:11

She does have a sweaty balls voice. I know she does. Yeah. Yeah.

Shannon: 24:14

I made some meatballs for the watch.

Dylan: 24:16

Well, she did make balls. How were they? Meaty? Oh.

Shannon: 24:19

They were really meaty balls.

Dylan: 24:20

How do you how do you so we just were talking about how do you feel about Brad going to uh Mongolia next year? Kazakhstan, actually. We're not gonna finish the where we're gonna get a ten dollar car and then we're going to race from Prague, Czech Republic, to Kazakhstan. Tell her how long I'll be gone. July 11th to August 22nd.

Shannon: 24:40

Well, Brad's already got a big trip happen at that time.

Dylan: 24:42

That's that's two years from now. That's two years.

Shannon: 24:44

Oh, this coming summer?

Dylan: 24:45

Yeah.

Brad: 24:46

Yeah. No? I guess we'll have to podcast. She didn't need any information. I guess we'll have to podcast remotely, Brad.

Shannon: 24:52

She didn't need to remember.

Brad: 24:53

She didn't need to know that it was a race or that it was in another country. Why is Dylan? Why is Dylan have a satellite? When is he leaving? July. No. 25 hours. And by the way, July is not the deal breaker. You could have said April or October. Whatever.

Shannon: 25:10

Well you can't have my husband.

Dylan: 25:12

Look for terribly unoblivious in Kazakhstan in five, seven, eight, nine years. Half. Half of it. Who are the only two Catholic presidents, Shannon?

Shannon: 25:21

Uh John F. Kevin. No, he was the Catholic.

Dylan: 25:23

Yep, nope. Yep. The first one. Yep. Who's the second?

Brad: 25:25

We didn't know this, so don't feel bad.

Shannon: 25:26

Is he after him?

Brad: 25:28

He's after him. He's after. Yes, he's after the first.

Shannon: 25:31

No, I meant like because he already told me I got Kennedy right.

Brad: 25:34

So Kennedy was the first. Kennedy was the first. Ever Catholic.

Shannon: 25:37

Yeah, that's right. That was a big to-do. I remember that. He's not Protestant.

Brad: 25:41

Feels like Ireland all over. I remember that because I was alive when Kennedy was voted in. No, you weren't.

Dylan: 25:47

Shut up, Carl. In fact, Biden. Good guess. But we were talking about how Biden. I'm surprised. I'm surprised Ray Ban. I'm surprised Ray-Ban didn't do like a whole like ad campaign. Did he wear Ray-Bans?

Shannon: 25:59

Yeah.

Dylan: 25:59

I don't actually know if they were Ray-Ban aviators or not. They were aviators, but I would assume they were. They should have gotten Randolphs. What? The Randolphs. What are the Randolphs? Randolph? Randolph what?

Shannon: 26:08

Oh, I feel like How do you not know this?

Brad: 26:10

Randolph B. George?

Shannon: 26:12

I thought you got him hooked on Randolph's really.

Brad: 26:13

Who's Randolph? Randolph sunglasses.

Shannon: 26:16

They're right up your alley, Dylan.

Brad: 26:17

Randolph's right up your alley. Sunglasses.

Shannon: 26:20

Randolph. Randolph Engineering.

Brad: 26:22

Yeah. R E. They're the official glasses of the United States Navy. Yeah, it's a big deal. Or something. I don't I don't know these. American made. I've never seen them. Really? No.

Shannon: 26:32

What?

Brad: 26:33

Dude. Brad wanted another pair for Christmas, but you know who wears them? The United States Navy. Well, a lot of people wear them. But you know who specifically wears them? United States Navy.

Shannon: 26:42

Air Force Pirates.

Brad: 26:43

John Ham. Oh. I think he had them in Madman, actually, for a set.

Shannon: 26:47

You guys already talked about John Hamm, huh? No, we didn't. You can't.

Dylan: 26:50

I don't know. I don't know.

Brad: 26:52

I hope not. In case you're wondering what we're listening to, it sounds like. So you pulled out old journals. This is what he's done the whole time. You want to grab the journals? Fucking cut me off.

Shannon: 27:00

You look really creepy right now. You're like hunched out on that. You want to talk about the journals?

Brad: 27:03

I'm not hunched down. I'm just I'm sunken in. You want to talk about the journals? You brought them out. Do we do we want to?

Shannon: 27:08

What kind of journals are you?

Brad: 27:09

You brought them. I don't know. Old ones. This is this is my very first this is the very first writing of Shannon.

Dylan: 27:15

Do you not like the journals? Post. Do you just know that he goes into a deep dark state with the journals?

Shannon: 27:20

I just don't know what he wants to unpack.

Brad: 27:22

I don't want to unpack anything. Okay. Then floor is your floor is yours, bro. Bust them out sometimes. Okay.

Dylan: 27:28

Let's see.

Shannon: 27:28

Do you write in journals, Dylan?

Dylan: 27:29

I do. I journal every day. Regularly? Do you? Yeah, morning and night. Oh.

Shannon: 27:33

I don't journal, but I do one line a day and I have finished.

Dylan: 27:35

Oh, one line a day is really good, actually.

Shannon: 27:37

So I've done a full book. I've done five years, and then I'm about to finish my big That's a big deal. I highly recommend it. I do.

Brad: 27:44

I like it because it's the I like it that she does it.

Shannon: 27:47

It's because we'll be like, what do we do?

Brad: 27:49

And then we'll flip back and look at but the consistency of it that's the reveals patterns. But yeah, it does.

Dylan: 27:54

It tells you where you're at. And that's um, you know, when you the when you look at um Marcus Aurelius', you know, uh meditations, a lot of you know, some of the criticism of it's like it's just really repetitive. And you're like, Well yeah, he's a man that dealt with things, and a lot of humans have a repetitive nature to themselves, and he was trying to work through those patterns. There's never repetition in these. I'm sure. Never.

Brad: 28:18

I never write about the same thing.

Shannon: 28:19

Yeah, over and you're writing a lot, whereas one line a day is you're crammed.

Brad: 28:23

Does your one line a day ever turn into something else or more? No, because there's there's no room for it.

Shannon: 28:28

There is no room for it.

Brad: 28:30

I mean, like it's specifically set up for for just that.

Shannon: 28:32

Oh they're real tiny, it's like half yeah.

Brad: 28:34

Oh, really?

Shannon: 28:35

Like, you only get like a couple of this height, it's a little tiny, which is nice because I can take it on vacation or whatever.

Dylan: 28:42

Oh, you brought something?

Shannon: 28:43

Wow.

Dylan: 28:44

What'd you bring? Okay. So the green green is my long form journal, but then I have the daily stoic.

Shannon: 28:51

I've seen this something.

Dylan: 28:52

This is good. This is Ryan Holiday. He's taken a lot of the meditations from the Stoics. And I mean my wishes. Did you send me a picture of that the other day? Yeah. So he's got, you know, it's just like a daily little, like it's a it's it's it's less than half of a page of a book of like a I think I've saved like a quote from one of the stoics, and then like a little bit of like a synopsis or some things to think about. But there's an accompanying journal that you can buy, which is a morning reflection and a night reflection. And so I've started doing this because my green journal is like what I'm feeling just with myself. And then this is more like structured, but it's kind of like that one. This to me is like that one line a day where it's I maybe don't really whatever the topic of the day is or the the quote is, I don't have a lot to think about on it. And I'm just like, well, yeah, that makes me feel this, or I blah blah blah blah. And then some of it's like I don't have fucking enough space to deal with this right now because holy shit, like this is how I feel. It's been good, it's been fun.

Shannon: 29:45

So is it dated or is it just like each day that you read?

Dylan: 29:49

Yeah, so he actually has a day of the he actually so he'll have August 29th, August 30th.

Shannon: 29:54

It's not yeared, obviously, but I feel like I've saved this before because I had a daily one that I got in college, but it was more a little bit more religious-based, and I had was Googling like a non like I don't know, religious-based type thing, because I think sometimes that goes down a whole nother thing. But it's nice, Dylan. That's a nice little journal.

Dylan: 30:14

It's just it's it's been good.

Shannon: 30:16

That's pretty, it's fun.

Dylan: 30:17

But is it one a day or how many it's one a day, and then it gives you a morning and a nightly reflection, which apparently I haven't done yesterday's nightly reflection, and I kind of miss some days in here.

Shannon: 30:28

The daily stoic.

Dylan: 30:29

But uh December 22nd is what wisdom will I create today? Because the 22nd. Now I gotta find it, I'm sorry. December 22nd? December 22nd was yesterday. I'm looking at it right now. It was stake your own claim. For it's disgraceful for an old person or one in sight of old age to have only the knowledge carried in their notebooks. Zeno said this. Why do you say that? Clint I don't know how to pronounce that name. Clinth Clinth has said that. What do you say? How long will you be compelled by the claims of another? Take charge and stake your own claim. Something posterity will carry in its notebooks. So basically it's like you keep quoting other people, that's great. You're quoting what they know, but what do you know? And own it. Like just what do you know and be confident. Make your own knowledge, make your own idea.

Shannon: 31:14

He's really on a good will hunting.

Brad: 31:16

I'm always on a good will hunting case.

Matt: 31:17

Do you know how easy this is for me? Do you have any fucking idea how easy this is? This is a fucking joke. And I'm sorry you can't do this. I really am because I wouldn't have to do it. How I feel every day.

Shannon: 31:27

You know, like he did that to me on a math problem when I was trying to help Corbin one time.

Jordan: 31:31

Whoops.

Shannon: 31:31

Actually, maybe I was talking about how Phoenix stepped in and helped with some math with Corbin.

Brad: 31:37

I really could have used that.

Shannon: 31:38

Actually, it was about Phoenix because it was about math. Because he's like, well, it's fine. I just don't understand, you know, like, why do I have to keep doing the same thing?

Dylan: 31:44

It's called repetition. It wouldn't grades it in your mind. Because not everybody gets it at Phoenix. That's what I'm saying. And that's I think that's really something you're obviously in the school system. And so there was times where I felt like that, where I'm like, why are we covering the same thing for two weeks, three weeks, whatever it is? And yes, there's a little bit of variation, but it how do you conceptualize that to younger individuals? Which is we have to educate to a not saying the lowest common denominator, but the medium to the to the middle, you know, participant, which is they might need a little extra help from you. Yeah, we get it. You got it day one, you get it, but we can't just teach to you because if we taught to you, all these kids would be left behind. And no kid left behind. And no child left behind. Yeah. But how do you how do you tell someone that, like, yeah, you're smart, that's cool, you get it, but we're gonna hold you back a little bit, even though you want to keep going forward because others need to be able to come up. That's a weird it's not a weird concept, but it's it's different in different subjects too. Yeah, I was fantastic in some subjects and other subjects, I was like, I don't know.

Brad: 32:47

Well, I mean, even from a teaching standpoint, you could you could probably more easily challenge somebody in an English class and expect different levels from philosophers. From a same topic. Yeah. Because you can say, Oh, okay, this is a entry-level uh response, this is a mid-level response, this is a high level response.

Dylan: 33:04

I guess math is math, you're right.

Brad: 33:05

And it's just like if you understand the concept of math, like you're done. And that's what's annoying about math homework, I think. They're like, yeah, go home and do 30 of the same problems. And guess what? If you don't understand the concept, by problem 30, you're not gonna be better at it. Whoopsie. You're just gonna get all 30 problems.

Dylan: 33:22

Yeah, so I don't know.

Shannon: 33:23

I don't know.

Dylan: 33:24

You don't know, Shannon? You don't have you don't have take in the old school district.

Shannon: 33:27

Well, I mean, I think in the elementary it's different because they do have different levels and there's stuff. Oh really? Yeah, like the tier, you know, like the different tiers. There's tiers inside of elementary now. Yes.

Dylan: 33:37

Sort of I didn't know that.

Shannon: 33:39

So like you teach the whole concept to everybody, and then those that need a little bit more, we call that like a tier two. So like they'll do like some tier two groupings, and so that's like a smaller percentage of Oh, you guys do breakout groups at the elementary level? They'll do some of that, and then there's tier three, which would be like more intensive, so that would be more daily um extra support in something.

Dylan: 33:59

And then are you are you coming in early, coming staying late for school? Oh, within the school day still, okay.

Shannon: 34:05

So then and then like you know, then there's talented and gifted or tag or d I don't know.

Brad: 34:09

There's tier zero where they literally just throw the book at you and figure it out. Actually, I like that.

Shannon: 34:14

Yeah, we should maybe have a email, but maybe I think it'd all be sociopaths.

Dylan: 34:18

Why?

Shannon: 34:19

I'm just you've not seen the pyramid? The tier? That's a big deal.

Dylan: 34:23

When did when did this come phased in? Has it been there? Has it been there as long as you've been there? Really?

Shannon: 34:27

Well, I mean, I would say the yeah, the pyramid is it as long as it's not.

Dylan: 34:30

But like how long has it taken like a front? I don't remember any of this. I mean, and obviously you guys don't make it a big deal for kids, probably because it you don't you know.

Shannon: 34:37

You were probably in high I mean, you were probably older and through some of that stuff maybe before you know. And then I would say, like, as a kid, you don't know that. You don't know.

Dylan: 34:45

And the teacher's not talking about like your tier one, your tier two.

Brad: 34:47

No, yeah, you're not gonna create hierarchies in the system. No, you like they probably used to have it though too. Even when we were kids, it was just not called something. But if you had like a talented and gifted, like you would go, uh what was ours called? Tag, what was it? Um, I can't remember what what they called it, but broken hope for broken consciousness.

Shannon: 35:06

I don't know, I wasn't in challenge.

Brad: 35:08

Well, can't all be great.

Shannon: 35:09

It's okay. That's fine. Yeah.

Brad: 35:12

But it but it was not, I don't that wasn't even a daily, I don't think that was a daily thing. I think it was like a weekly or something. Um, but then certainly like if there was kids that were having problems, and and maybe back then it was a parent or somebody that was helping so that you know kids might get more one-on-one time, something like that. So it's it's become certainly more structured, but I don't know. Yeah, good. Uh is it? I don't know. I don't yeah.

Dylan: 35:35

How do you feel about it? How do you how do you feel about the the current climate right now, Shannon?

Shannon: 35:40

Of this room?

Dylan: 35:40

Or just no, the the education system's pretty cozy. This room is really cozy.

Shannon: 35:45

I mean, I think the room's cozy.

Dylan: 35:46

She didn't want to talk about this. I know we can't we can't, we can't put her on the spot. Um what's the c of what I don't know what the current climate of the education system?

Shannon: 35:54

I don't know. It's weird for me to answer right now because I'm on winter break. That's true. When I go on winter break, I feel like my brain goes in a whole nother direction. I mean messy. I think it's it's messy. That's a good word for it. Messy.

Brad: 36:06

I think it could be I mean it even now that we have a high schooler, it's I'm not a professional, you shouldn't ask me.

Shannon: 36:12

Yeah, I'm no longer a professional.

Brad: 36:15

It's just uh the world is changing fast in terms of knowledge and access to and and things like that. So for instance, literature classes, they don't do work outside.

Shannon: 36:26

They don't high school.

Brad: 36:28

What do you mean? Like they don't write anything. What? They don't do anything outside of class because everybody uses AI. Oh and it's the only way that they can stop somewhat, you know, keep tabs on so they work in class, which doesn't allow for a lot of creativity. Yeah.

Shannon: 36:44

I'm curious what college looks like for some of these kids.

Brad: 36:47

It's not to say that they can't do that at home, but how many kids do you think are doing that at home? Not not a lot.

Dylan: 36:53

And so it's interesting. So just even that, it's was Bradley liberal art a liberal arts college? Yeah. Okay. And where did you go, Shannon?

Shannon: 37:00

Augustana.

Dylan: 37:01

You went to Augustana. Uh and I went to Ambrose. And I got really mad because like true like a traditional state school, I would have had another nine times? Nine credit hours. I would have had another three classes, maybe up to 12, another three to four classes just based for like my um electives for my degree. So finance and economics. I could have had another like three or four classes. But at Ambrose, uh we you basically were allowed to have like three credit overs over three credit hours over half of your degree was basically your major. So like you had half your half your credit hours were for liberal arts classes, half your just over half was for your major, just enough to meet the criteria to get your BA.

Brad: 37:43

Yeah.

Dylan: 37:43

And I remember at the time being so mad, like I could take more finance classes, I could take more econ classes, that'd be so much more fun. And I it's not for everyone. I get that. I would love to do it. I love it. I love it.

Shannon: 37:53

Just so you know, I did try to be a business major, Dylan. Failed.

Dylan: 37:56

Oh, well.

Shannon: 37:57

Miserably.

Dylan: 37:58

You know what? At least you found out that it's a good idea. I never made it to the business building. But now I look back ever and I think it's so important that people actually it's good to have training in what profession you're going into. Don't get me wrong. There's there's certain classes you need to have to prepare you for what career you're going into. But a liberal arts degree, if you take it seriously, will prepare you for it's range. I kind of look back to the book range, where you have this wide diverse skill set if you don't if you actually invest into it. Cause it I I've had You keep putting that caveat on there, which is huge. Actually invest in it. Yeah. Yeah. And that's where AI is coming into your point.

Brad: 38:33

But I um I not even not even that. I mean, I went to plenty of classes that I didn't go to. Yeah.

Dylan: 38:39

That sucks.

Shannon: 38:40

That's Brad, though.

Dylan: 38:41

That's forty thousand dollars a year just fucking gone. Poof. It's not gone.

Brad: 38:44

I mean, I got to go in the A to B zone.

Dylan: 38:46

Yeah. But did you learn anything? No. I mean, I wasn't really there. You didn't think you learned anything? Maybe picked up something? No. Okay. No. But I think it's important to be well-rounded. Did not. You read the classics, you read the stoics, you read the Regency Times, the Victorian times. Fun. Yeah. I mean, I old Bill Shakespeare talking shit in his weird tongue.

Brad: 39:05

I think there's ways that you can do all of those things that could be interesting. I mean, great teachers are not unlike great coaches, uh, but those aren't all over the board either. No. Nor do they get really rewarded for being great.

Dylan: 39:16

My my dad's in business because of his my dad wanted to be a high school history teacher. And one of his renaissance professors just absolutely sucked. He was like, it was so boring. I'm like, he's like, I can't do this. I can't fucking do this. And he dropped out of the education school at UNI. And he's like, Well, I don't know what I'm gonna do. And you and I had a really good accounting program. And he's like, I guess I'll go try to go be an accountant. And it wasn't because he had a passion for it or even enjoyed it or loved it. And then he took a couple classes and he was like, Oh, this is fun. I I could do this. And that's how he got a yeah, that's how he got his accounting degree because a teacher sucked, which is actually the best thing that ever happened to me because you know I've had an okay life.

Brad: 40:00

I didn't do that. I didn't stumble into something that I accidentally took majors in.

Shannon: 40:03

I almost decided to minor in geology because I had such a great geology teacher.

Dylan: 40:07

I forgot that Augie had a really good idea. Dr.

Shannon: 40:10

Wolf, man.

Dylan: 40:11

And I have I have friends that have become geologists because of them.

Shannon: 40:14

Actually, I'm like, I didn't know who works there.

Dylan: 40:18

So let Shana finish, then we'll talk about you.

Shannon: 40:20

Maybe I'll minor and be a geologist. But I do remember his teaching style and I do try to remember that. That was a big were they Dr.

Dylan: 40:27

Wolf?

Shannon: 40:27

Yes.

Dylan: 40:28

He or she.

Shannon: 40:28

It was a he, but I think his wife also works there too. Okay.

Dylan: 40:31

And it was like what was his teaching style? Was he very engaged, walking around?

Shannon: 40:35

Very engaged, passionate, knew every person's name, which to me that stood out. Um, but just made it fun and interactive and I think connected with people.

Brad: 40:46

So it was always shocking having uh a teacher multiple times and knowing that they're just oblivious to the kids in their class. They're like, hey, I'm in your philosophy 305 class. You had to happen you at Bradley? No, you're not. Really? Yeah. Yeah, I am. Oh, you're Mike. No, I'm not. You don't. How many kids did you how many kids would you have in a philosophy class at Bradley? I mean, after 101, it was only 20 tops. And they didn't know you? Couldn't really discern. How does that be a class?

Dylan: 41:10

I guess that makes sense with philosophy, man. You guys are a little flighty.

Brad: 41:13

One in particular, he was pretty aloof. Yeah. Yeah. Smoked a lot of weed? No. Just he was very acid y.

Dylan: 41:19

He he very much knew who he was. Oh. Pontificated. A little bit. Which one was he? Which one was he? What was his what was his special DN? Nietzsche. Really? That makes sense.

Brad: 41:30

And then there was another one who who was almost the complete opposite. Then there was I think they had three there, actually. Only three of them? Uh that seems like a lot to me. Well, that's true. I guess.

Shannon: 41:41

Remember when you were like, I'm gonna teach philosophy?

Brad: 41:43

Yeah, look at me. Got a podcast instead.

Dylan: 41:47

Long way around. I guess. Right. Well, it's you said you told me this that all the philosophy jobs were taken because of all the people that were draft dodging during Vietnam. No, I didn't. Okay, never mind.

Brad: 42:00

I definitely didn't say that.

Dylan: 42:01

No.

Brad: 42:02

I said uh the philosophy career stage is incredibly small, yeah and sometimes violent. What? So you have at the time, at the time I graduated, now it's it's opened up some because of technology. So with AI advancing so much, and all I don't know what to do.

Shannon: 42:21

Damn it.

Brad: 42:21

How am I gonna edit?

Shannon: 42:22

When did I get all the fucking noise? I'm trying to find a spot to say.

Brad: 42:25

Quit touching all the wires. Oh my god. This is why we can't have nice things. This is why we can't have nice things. Anyone that listens to our podcast, like it's fucking terrible audio. But if you if you wanted a job in philosophy, you had to basically teach philosophy. I mean, there were there were some things outside of that. Yeah. And if you were really smart in some other things, you could probably go to like, you know, a think tank or something along those lines, but you'd have to have pretty good range, you know. Yeah, with that. Uh-oh. That was a diss. Sorry. Sorry. Maybe sorry. Hop takes. You probably don't understand geopolitical takes very well. I definitely don't. So, but yeah, that would that was kind of the deal. And then that's it. You could be a teacher. Okay, well, how many teachers are at universities? Well, there's this many. Okay, well, how long do they last there? Oh, they last for like 30 years. Forever. So you're like, so there's never openings. So what class like if you so because there's if you became a college professor, what class would you teach?

Dylan: 43:17

I'm cutting you off. Thank you. Open loops. Okay, you you finish what you're saying and then answer my question.

Brad: 43:22

So because there's so few jobs to get, you have to be at essentially the the top of the top, which means you have to go to whatever the best schools are at that time. So then you have to get into that school and who were the best schools philosophy.

Dylan: 43:37

Who are? I don't even know.

Brad: 43:38

I don't know are now, but um there was one like University of Colorado or something that was up there pretty high.

Dylan: 43:44

Boulder?

Brad: 43:45

Uh no, I want to say it was what's north of there. Uh Fort Fort Dodge Collins. No, no, Fort Collins, sorry, that's where the Air Force got. Fort Collins? Yeah. I think that might have been one of them. That makes sense. Maybe. Or I just made that up. Maybe that was one I was thinking about. I don't know. But there was probably a handful. And yeah. If you couldn't get into those, then you had to go to a different college, and then you're not getting a top job. You you might still get to teach somewhere. But community college is definitely on the list. And at the time when I was getting out of college, it's like, okay, do I want to go pay for at least four more years of college? What do you think you would have done your dissertation on? Hmm, maybe um time is a flat circle?

Shannon: 44:25

Would have done it. Such a fucking idiot. Would do it on.

Dylan: 44:28

I would do it on trees. No, we're not. No, not why not? No, not the first episode of this podcast. Come on.

Theo: 44:34

My favorite type of weed was uh cocaine. That's that's what uh that's all I heard there when you say trees. Trees.

Brad: 44:40

Trees. But now with with AI, you have actual everything else used to be just thought. Uh what's it now? So the an example would be the the train lever. Uh what do they call those? Like the thought um experiments. So the train lever is an old one where there's a train coming down the tracks and there's a lever, and that lever switches the train from one track to another track, and on one track is uh a baby. Yep. And on the other track is like five, nine-year-old women. And you have to choose the morality. The morality of which one is better to to go down. And you can you can put whatever scenarios you want on the tracks. And now when you get into like self-driving cars, if you go far enough, you have that that car has to compute like we're gonna wreck. Do we swerve off the road and go down this ravine, or do we hit the car next to us, or what's what's the what's the risk profile? And so it and that happened the in iRobot, that movie, the Will Smith movie, where uh I think he crashed. I think he did crash his car and they were underwater, and a robot jumped in, and there was two of them on the city. It saved him.

Dylan: 45:47

It was his wife and his kid, and he they the robot saved him because he was a more valuable he had the highest percentage of surviving.

Brad: 45:54

It wasn't just that though.

Dylan: 45:55

I think like it was his job too, where it where they weren't producing, and so they picked him because he was a cop and something else.

Brad: 46:02

I thought it was something else, like they were too far gone, so they so it grabbed him. Don't tell me I'm wrong. I've seen this movie two times. Okay, I've never seen it. You never seen it?

Shannon: 46:11

Jinx.

Brad: 46:11

It's okay. I think I've seen that scene.

Shannon: 46:13

I mean, I don't think I have. I don't know.

Brad: 46:14

Oh, so you haven't seen the movie, but I'm wrong? Yeah. Sounds right. 100% look at you.

Shannon: 46:19

I love your confidence though. That's yeah.

Brad: 46:21

Oh it's don't don't get us kicked off. What all these 13 people listen to? You know what I love? Silence.

Shannon: 46:27

My sister would definitely listen to this podcast on five times the speed.

Brad: 46:30

100%. Do we have speed? Yeah, she should, because Dylan just sits here and looks on the room.

Shannon: 46:34

He listens to stuff at like five times the speed. And I'm not not just anything.

Dylan: 46:39

Well, you're the one that fucking talks all the time. I just sit here and go, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Brad: 46:43

Yeah, then I gotta just I just gotta diatribe all the time. Wow. Wow, is that in the art of motorcycle maintenance?

Dylan: 46:49

From all this awareness, we must select. And what we select and call consciousness is never the same as the awareness because the process of selection mutates it. We take a handful of sand from the endless landscape of awareness around us and call that handful of sand the world.

Brad: 47:05

That's essentially quantum theory. Is it? In the sense that in quantum in the quantum sense, when you observe something, it changes that thing's uh properties. Yeah, because you're by thinking you're because of the observation of it. That's crazy. I mean that's what that quote fucked me up. That's what the superposition is.

Dylan: 47:25

Yeah, well, the superposition is dumb.

Brad: 47:27

That quote fucked me up, though.

Shannon: 47:28

Okay, that's fine.

Brad: 47:29

That one that's the one that did it? No, there's more than that. That's fine.

Shannon: 47:32

I feel like I should read this book.

Brad: 47:33

I like I like that book a lot, obviously. But I like it because kind of for the same reason as like Fountainhead or Atlas Shrugged yourself as Phaedrus.

Dylan: 47:43

No, I can't I'm not talking about I could see a Phaedrus moment in you.

Shannon: 47:46

That's great to an audio book.

Dylan: 47:49

No, no, that's no terrible. Don't do it. No. You need time to think and process. Maybe reread some passages.

Brad: 47:55

A lot. Reread a lot of passages. She's not much of a rereader. I don't like to reread. Okay. Speed reader. She reads faster than me. But we've talked about that. Yeah, like I even easier stuff, I won't read as fast as I probably should. Because I'm used to reading slow. Critically? Yes.

Dylan: 48:11

It's not a critical book, man. It's it's 50 Shades of Gay.

Brad: 48:15

I'm trying to remember what uh what book I was reading at one point, and I was like, what if I just skip 20 pages? I was like, yeah, that works. That's okay. I mean, honestly, not everything.

Dylan: 48:24

If you read an Ayn Ryan novel, you're gonna end up in the middle of the same speech she was just giving.

Brad: 48:28

Yeah, I mean, if you just only need to read one, yeah, or the one in Atlas Shrugged, his speech is a hundred pages. I know. Just read the hundred pages. I know. Done. But well, Dagny's got a Degny's got like a 10 pager in there somewhere. But the in the sense that I think that's a a good book because it can appeal to a lot. Like you can get you might understand zero philosophy out of that, and it's still an interesting novel based on the story.

Shannon: 48:53

And now listen to that one on audio.

Brad: 48:55

Yeah, that one's five speeds.

Dylan: 48:57

I think it's like I think if you get back when CDs were still a thing, I think the C I think it was like 25, 30 CDs.

Brad: 49:04

No, it was like 10.

Dylan: 49:05

No, it was more than that.

Brad: 49:06

I thought it was like 10.

Shannon: 49:07

I started it one time because I remember it it was like a I can't get it on audiobook right now.

Brad: 49:13

It was like a six to a hundred hour read.

Dylan: 49:15

You have to buy a book, yeah.

Shannon: 49:18

That's a long time. I mean, 10 plus hours is stretching it for me.

Dylan: 49:22

I can't believe I actually read that whole book.

Brad: 49:23

I can't believe I read it either.

Shannon: 49:25

I don't think I'm gonna read it now that you guys are saying it.

Dylan: 49:27

It's a it's a long one.

Brad: 49:29

It is. I just it's awesome though. Yeah, I think there's definitely awesome parts in it. But Zen is is a little bit like that, I think, where and he says this in the in the uh prologue. Uh-huh. Like most people are not gonna understand my intent with this book.

Shannon: 49:45

You're not selling me on this book at all.

Brad: 49:47

It was half but it's still philosophy, but it was a little bit of his self-tail. I mean, he went through this. Yeah. So like the the storyline of of what he's doing is great. And even if you don't understand all the implications of of the philosophy that he's trying, there's still lots of good stuff that you do get out of it.

Shannon: 50:03

See, I read at night sometimes a lot too, and I feel like this might I might fall asleep. Yeah, this one would fuck you off.

Brad: 50:09

I'll do that.

Shannon: 50:09

Oh, really? I feel like I would just fall asleep when I No, I wouldn't. Now I'm intrigued. Now this should be like my challenge. Read this book by the end of next year.

Dylan: 50:18

Well, this is the ghost of normal everyday assumptions, which declares that the ultimate purpose of life, which is to keep alive, is impossible. But that that is the ultimate purpose of life anyway, so that the great mind struggle to cure diseases so that people may live longer, but only madmen ask why. One lives longer in order that he may live longer. There is no other purpose. That is what the ghost says.

Brad: 50:39

Like, yeah, right.

Dylan: 50:41

Why are we trying to live longer? What is because there's nothing else to do. Here we are. But we'll forego all of our happiness and our purpose to live longer. Oh that's not helpful. That's gonna be in the podcast.

Shannon: 50:53

That was Kilo.

Dylan: 50:54

Thanks, dogs. That one fucked me up too. It's like you're right. Don't need to hang out here too long, just have a good time.

Brad: 50:59

Uh the quality one, that's what got me.

Dylan: 51:01

The human, like when he when he compares to the hu like to manuals, where he's like, There's there's nothing in there in the manual that like puts somebody in there. It's like, you know, remove head gasket, do this, do this, do this. And he's like, You don't inserting yourself is like that's what now I'm inserting myself. Fuck.

Brad: 51:16

There's a manual. Yeah, there he so in the beginning of the book, he's talking about like a uh kind of like an analytic viewpoint of things. Romantic versus classical.

Dylan: 51:25

So and then he's got a scalpel and he keeps cutting things farther and farther down.

Brad: 51:29

But romantic being a like a good novel and the analytical.

Dylan: 51:34

But romantic being like, I'm on the motorcycle, it takes me on this beautiful journey, I get to see things, and then the the classical sense of this drivetrain, this is the the fuel delivery system the valves push, this is the valve air can come in and the exhaust could go out. But by the way, neither can exist without each other without the other, though. And that's where he gets to. He goes, they clash into each other. But what makes what? And you have to have both though, because if you're too in, if you're too nearsighted, you're missing the whole picture, which is the beauty of the world around you on this motorcycle. But if you come too far out, you don't understand the mechanics of how it's happening either. But then does it actually exist if you don't put yourself in that situation? But if nobody's there, then what actually happens? That's where it starts to fuck with you.

Brad: 52:17

I just think about it in terms of like computers and software and how his his friend on the motorcycle, like the the narrator does all of his own motor, that's why it's called Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance. He does all of his own work. So he does all of his own motorcycle maintenance, and they're on kind of old, like slightly older motorcycles, and when you're traveling across the entire country for long distances and different weather and different altitudes, taking care of things like that, like you have to tune it differently so that it keeps running and run properly and things like that. And you have to be aware of temperatures and you know, tires and wear and and all these kind of things. And his friend has someone that was like, I just bought a new BMW and I don't know anything about it, and I just expect it to work perfectly all the time. Needs to work. And he he goes back and forth with like, Hey, did you check this? Like, it won't start. Did you check to see gas? Yeah, duh, of course there's gas in it. But he doesn't do any any of that.

Shannon: 53:04

Um this book brings you guys a lot of joy.

Brad: 53:07

I feel like that guy brings a lot of depression.

Shannon: 53:09

I was watching you guys when you were talking about it. You guys were both like your faces were lit up. You were like if you eyes were just sparkling.

Brad: 53:17

If the two of you started talking about spreadsheets, I would I That's how I feel.

Shannon: 53:22

Survive.

Dylan: 53:23

Anytime I read the book, survive.

Shannon: 53:25

Now, did you guys discover that you both had a liking for this book? Or did Brad say, Hey, I liked this book, and then you read it.

Brad: 53:33

Brad's the one that introduced it to me. Yeah. So it wasn't like a And I've read that from uh some other people, and and maybe not it wasn't specifically this book, but the people that have gotten hooked on a specific book, they just buy they'll buy like 10 of them and then they just hey, here you go. Yeah, you need to I bought it for people. You need to read this. Yeah, but so yeah.

Dylan: 53:54

I like buying books for people. I think that's a fun gift.

Shannon: 53:56

I did buy the let them theory book for several people.

Dylan: 53:59

That's good. Yeah.

Brad: 54:00

Where they just stressing out and you're like, hey, you need to calm down. Yeah, then someone tried to borrow it from someone else, and you're like, hey, this is why you probably should just buy the book.

Shannon: 54:08

Did I buy the book? Did I buy two? No, I had I bought one and then we had run and or checked one out from the library.

Brad: 54:13

It turns out we should have bought more.

Shannon: 54:15

And then so one of my coworkers did like a little book club on it, and then her dog ate it. Her dog ate the whole book.

Brad: 54:21

Oh no. Yeah, and we were like, let him let him eat the book.

Shannon: 54:26

So I think I gifted her one, but then I did gift one to my sister and my friend just because I was like, you know, there's a lot of things in it that I enjoyed. And um, I mean, there's pieces in there that I think apply to like me, and then there's other things that didn't apply, and there was things that applied to other people that didn't apply to, but yeah. It was good, it's a good, it's a good read. I liked it.

Brad: 54:45

Yeah, don't forget the second part.

Dylan: 54:47

Let them let me. Yeah. A lot of people forget that second part.

Shannon: 54:50

Well, that's if someone's like, Well, I get that, you know, you gotta let them do that, but I just you can't be okay with you know, some some things are just like, but you're allowed to feel how you feel about it, right?

Dylan: 54:59

But you don't have to try to control their behavior. Yeah, that's the biggest thing, is like you can't control it.

Brad: 55:04

Yeah, so let them be who they are and let you be who you are. And and I think that's where people get hung up on on that particular theory is like, yeah, but what they're doing isn't okay.

Shannon: 55:14

We're not saying it's okay.

Brad: 55:15

We're not justifying it. Yeah, we're just saying they're going to do it and you are not gonna change it. That's you don't have control over that situation. You have control over how you react to that situation. If you want to stay in that situation, want to talk to that person anymore, or punch them in the face, or good.

Shannon: 55:32

Yeah, good, good, good, whatever. I like it.

Brad: 55:35

It gives you control back, but then you gotta take ownership.

Dylan: 55:38

And you do that's you know, that's where that's really where that's really the fun part. Are you actually taking ownership? Yeah, you're actually taking ownership.

Brad: 55:46

They're like, I just don't understand why why she does this all the time. Well, because you let her. Yeah. Like, why why are you still in that particular situation? Well, but she's the one it's like, okay, yeah, she's doing that, but clearly you don't like it, but you keep walk away doing the same thing. So you have to own that part, at least. No? No, you do. Yeah. Why do you fools fall in love? I don't know.

Dylan: 56:09

Was that a Matthew? Fool's Russian. Fool's Russian, thank you. I like that you knew where I was going with that. I did. I've never even seen that movie. I had it was one of the like that was like one of the original doc or uh DVDs that I got. I remember being like in the 90s and DVDs had just come out. And then I got a D like the DVD player would look like a fucking Fort Knox bank. It was so big and heavy and stout. Yeah. And it came with like top gun. It came with DVD? It came with DVD. I think Best Buy like threw it in as like a little gift. Like, here, here's some DVD. There was only a couple movies that were on DVD at that time, too. I remember like going to family video, and the DVD section was like two little shelves, and it was still all in the I remember walking and my dad's like, this will all be DVD someday. And then I was like, they're all be all Netflix someday. Like, this will all disappear. Yeah.

Shannon: 56:57

Are you old enough to remember like the blockbuster, like going and checking movies?

Dylan: 57:01

Yeah. So I used to go to my high school girlfriend and I used to we had a blockbuster membership and we go all the time. That was our Friday night. It was great. I loved it.

Shannon: 57:07

And then was it Netflix that was the red that was in the Red Box first?

Dylan: 57:11

No, Redbox.

Shannon: 57:12

Or is Redbox a thing? Like Redbox was when you go rent it.

Brad: 57:15

Netflix was in the red envelopes. Yeah.

Shannon: 57:17

Do is that what we did?

Dylan: 57:18

Yeah.

Shannon: 57:18

So like you could you could 15 years old. 15 years old.

Dylan: 57:22

Yeah, Netflix started off as you would go online and you would pick out which movies you wanted to ship to your house. Yeah, because that would have been you get a couple oh nine. If you didn't return them, they'd finally charge you for it. And that was Redbox too. Like you got like a five-day rent or whatever.

Shannon: 57:35

Yeah, you could do that. But we got them in the mail. I do remember.

Dylan: 57:40

Oh, lost, yeah. Because we finished that up when it's a good one. Oh, yeah, but you don't only get like three at a time. So it's paid 15, 20 bucks a month.

Shannon: 57:46

And then you could pick one, two, three, and you didn't get your new ones until you were waiting now for that.

Brad: 57:51

We did.

Shannon: 57:52

We did.

Brad: 57:52

I don't want to do that. We would burn through the lost episodes.

Dylan: 57:56

Red box was fun.

Brad: 57:57

I'd I'd go up to to drop them in the mail. We're like, sorry, we're close. And it's like, you fucking open this up right now. I gotta get this in the mail. I gotta get this thing back in 48 hours. I gotta know what Jack's doing.

Shannon: 58:08

We did. We're gonna like come in full circle now because I think Lost was on Netflix and we're like, Phoenix, you need to watch this because we watched this in its entirety when we were pregnant with you.

Brad: 58:18

Had to finish it. Yeah, it was really. Mom and Dad got pregnant to this with you. No.

Shannon: 58:22

Not true.

Brad: 58:23

We didn't. I think 24. What movie?

Shannon: 58:27

Oh my god. The show 24. Do you know the day? Oh, I remember I watched 24. That was in college. Shut your mouth.

Dylan: 58:34

Beep. Did you call your shot? No, it still would have been going on. Did you call your shot? You're like, this is the one. This is Phoenix. No, I just like the countdown.

Shannon: 58:41

Um, Brad just had to look at me and I got pregnant. I mean, I don't know.

Dylan: 58:45

No, you just looked at her? Somebody did. Jesus. Careful. Careful. Earmuffs.

Shannon: 58:50

Well, I mean, you could say that someone else was Phoenix's, except for this.

Dylan: 58:55

Brad when it comes to sex.

Shannon: 58:56

Do you know how easy this is for this?

Matt: 58:57

Do you have any fucking idea how we use it? Just getting people pregnant. And I'm sorry you can't do it. I really am because I wouldn't have to fucking see you, but watch you fumble around and fuck it up.

Brad: 59:07

Whoopsie. It's funny. It's funny, but also not so funny. Because it's not easy for everybody.

Shannon: 59:13

It's not.

Dylan: 59:14

No, it's really. I was actually It is wild. Like there's no in between. It's like, well, we tried a little bit. It's like first time. Yeah, dude. In vitro. I was like, well, that's what everyone said.

Shannon: 59:23

They're like, oh, well, if you're on, you know, you've been on the bill for so long and blah, blah, blah, and all these things. And like you do hear all these stories from a lot of people that struggle and yeah, I was expecting like months and months and months.

Brad: 59:33

And it was like six days later, and she's like pregnant.

Shannon: 59:36

No, what?

Brad: 59:38

It was how is it two months already?

Shannon: 59:41

Like, why are you so far advanced? I didn't. How do you know? How do you know? How do you know? Well, what was it? This was it with Corbin that you're like, no. It just seemed very he's like, Are you sure? And like he didn't believe. So then I like went and bought like a digital one or something. I'm like, digital don't lie.

Dylan: 1:00:00

Did you do you do the P test with like the line and then you did a digital?

Shannon: 1:00:04

Yeah.

Dylan: 1:00:04

What's the difference?

Shannon: 1:00:05

Just so you know, you can get legit pregnancy tests at the Dollar Tree just for anyone listening if they needed, you know, a quick check. But too legit. Too legit. And so actually, Phoenix ended up with stitches one night. From a pregnancy test? No, but he had been in the ER, but I just remember like the very next topic the very next day. I'm like, so we ended up, he wasn't supposed to spend the night with us, but he ended up in the ER. He had to get stitches. So then we brought him home. And then I was like, eh, I don't feel so like I feel off. And so I took a test. And you're like, no. And you're like, maybe take another one.

Dylan: 1:00:38

I've done 10 already.

Brad: 1:00:39

I just wasn't ready. They're a dollar.

Shannon: 1:00:41

This is $10. I've been pregnant before. I think I know.

Dylan: 1:00:45

Corbin proved to all of us that we weren't ready. What? Like what symptoms were is it are your like, I I know I'm pregnant symptoms.

Brad: 1:00:53

This kicking feeling in your stomach.

Shannon: 1:00:55

No, I didn't. Um maybe. I don't know.

Brad: 1:00:58

I just it's like that feeling when you're growing somebody.

Shannon: 1:01:02

I had like an acid reflux type thing, or I think I had more of like um, I don't know, indigest indigestion, more of that. I had more of that kind of feelings.

Brad: 1:01:10

What were your pregnancies? I felt pregnant like my entire life almost.

Shannon: 1:01:13

I had great pregnancies though. I wasn't like not sick. I was fully in planning on being sick the whole pregnancy and I wasn't, but tired.

Dylan: 1:01:21

You're energizing two babies or two bodies. What did you do, Brad? What did you do?

Shannon: 1:01:26

What did you do? You know what he did? He woke me up one time when I was trying to sleep. And this was with Corbin, I'm pretty sure, because I even brought it up the doctor. And you're like, hey, this baby's kicking, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, and you're like, it's waking me up. Because I must have been like spooning him or something. And I'm like, well, it's not waking me up. Can you please leave me alone? I don't remember this. I do. That was highly.

Brad: 1:01:47

I think we're making up stories about daddy. I'm talking about cocaine. Come on. I was big mad about that. Oh, during Corbin's pregnancy, I put that floor down upstairs. Were you in this house? Did you guys have this house with Corbin?

Shannon: 1:01:59

Yeah. We moved here when we were in the middle of the call.

Brad: 1:02:01

Yeah. Yeah.

Dylan: 1:02:01

That would have been right after calm. I forgot.

Brad: 1:02:03

You can everything was carpet. Sure was. I don't know. There was some shag. No. No.

Shannon: 1:02:09

Berber.

Brad: 1:02:10

But I was just like, I am not replacing floor with a baby in the house. This is the main part of the house.

Shannon: 1:02:15

It was you know what it was though?

Brad: 1:02:16

It was quiet carpet. Ooh, I'm gonna recarpet.

Shannon: 1:02:19

It was carpet. It was carpet.

Brad: 1:02:21

We already talked about this. We're gonna we're gonna carpet everything. Carpet and carpet. We're gonna carpet the walls. We're gonna carpet the ceilings. I think we talked about when we were doing the we're planning out the studio.

Shannon: 1:02:29

Maybe just carpet the studio.

Theo: 1:02:31

Be me snorting a bowl of weed, you know. But you wouldn't hear it. That little That's Thanksgiving for your snout, Daddy. I'm talking about cocaine.

Shannon: 1:02:38

Oh my gosh.

Dylan: 1:02:41

Just carpet everything. Just carpet everything. Just a cocaine house.

Brad: 1:02:44

Like push shag on everything and good to go. A little plastic on the couch for money. I think we should definitely do it on here. Cut down on the reverberations.

Dylan: 1:02:54

This is a good room. Oh yeah. Like, how many trees do we have up in the house right now? Five. We've got one, two, six, and there's a mini. Three.

Shannon: 1:03:00

Did you see Phoenixes?

Dylan: 1:03:01

Yeah, I saw Phoenixes. I was in his room the other day. Him and five.

Shannon: 1:03:05

And there's just a little Jace with a J. Jace. And there's a mini one in the back. Sorry, you're saying pink. They're not all decorated. So only two decorated. Two decorated.

Brad: 1:03:15

The rest are just I feel like if there's lights on them, that counts.

Shannon: 1:03:17

There's garland though. That counts. That's my favorite. These actually the white ones came from my mom. She wasn't using them, so I'm like, I'll just bring these home with me. So I brought two.

Dylan: 1:03:25

The popcorn bowl is still MIA, but we have trees.

Shannon: 1:03:28

The popcorn bowl is at my sister's. These came from my mom's basement.

Brad: 1:03:33

Do you think anybody at her house throws up in the popcorn bowl?

Shannon: 1:03:36

I I hope not. I don't want it back if they do. Well no. This is not like this popcorn, it's not a bowl. It is a pot. Okay. Because it's what you cook the popcorn in. So it's not like it would be like you take a kitchen pot and throwing up in that. It's not a bowl. It's a popcorn pot.

Brad: 1:03:54

Well, some people use what they have.

Shannon: 1:03:55

Well, this is a pot.

Brad: 1:03:58

Okay, well, suddenly I don't want it.

Shannon: 1:03:59

It's what you cook the popcorn in.

Brad: 1:04:01

No, I got I I understand what a pot is.

Dylan: 1:04:03

Do you think that like bidets will get smarter as we get older? And it's like, oh, this is the puke bidet. This is the puke bidet.

Brad: 1:04:11

I d I don't understand how that would work.

Shannon: 1:04:12

How would a puke bidet work?

Brad: 1:04:14

It would just be it would just be an artificial hand that comes out and sticks its finger down your throat. No, hold your hair. Oh, that'd be good too. Shout out to Emily. I was for puke bidet one time. I don't know, Emily.

Shannon: 1:04:24

What's a puke bidet?

Dylan: 1:04:25

It's just where it's just the bidet, the bidet is your like you know, the bidet washes your ass now. Yes, but what is the puke big the pu puke bidet is there to like give you mouthwash, ibuprofen, hold your hair. Oh it's a smart I don't need the popcorn bowl anymore. Maybe we'll call it the puke buddy bucket. Uh or the puke buddy bidet.

Brad: 1:04:45

The the hair holder.

Shannon: 1:04:46

You think we could come up with something and patent this? This is better than the crock pot lid, I think.

Brad: 1:04:50

It's not better than the crock pot lid. What's what's the crock pot lid? They her mom used to do a chili cook-off. Uh-huh. And one one of the early ones, we're out in the garage and you have tables all set up, and there's 20 crock pots there, and there's lids all over the place because what do you do with the lid? So, like you're holding up a bowl, you gotta take the lid off, you gotta somehow lay old chili into the bowl, and then what what am I supposed to do with all this? I don't have enough hands. And so me and one of our mom's friends were like, Wait, why don't we fix this? How come the lids can't just have hinges on them where you can just lift it up and it stays and you just put it back down? Okay. Yeah, we thought we were gonna be just Oh my god, we were so excited.

Shannon: 1:05:27

We thought that we had some off this idea.

Brad: 1:05:30

Yeah, and they exist.

Dylan: 1:05:31

Hamilton Beach told you to fuck off.

Shannon: 1:05:33

Yeah, pretty much because they already existed.

Dylan: 1:05:35

They already existed. I think a better, not hinged. Rod down the middle, the bowl is domed, the the lid's domed in a way, you just turn it upside down and stick it on top. So go in, boom, and then you can turn it back upside down.

Brad: 1:05:47

That doesn't make sense.

Dylan: 1:05:48

I know.

Brad: 1:05:48

Sounds stupid. Okay. So then I thought, what about retrofit? Because everybody already has crock pots. You're gonna make a kit without hinges. Yeah, but it sounds terrible. So many different crock pots. No, it's not good. It's it's impossible. It's not how do you hinge a round lid? The oval ones are one thing, but round is tricky.

Shannon: 1:06:06

It's almost like a suction cup thing, I guess.

Dylan: 1:06:08

Yeah, I don't know. You know, I don't like it. But then the suction cup's gonna get weird because you're gonna have to get the right that was it.

Brad: 1:06:13

That was the only that was the only thing I ever got.

Shannon: 1:06:15

That would have been a really good invention.

Dylan: 1:06:16

You got Christmas trees. You're doing trees. I did trees invent them.

Shannon: 1:06:20

No, but I wanted to come up with an app for like tracking Crohn's symptoms and poop and all those things. That exists. It already exists.

Dylan: 1:06:28

Is it like a period app? Like when you know you're on your cycle?

Shannon: 1:06:30

Could be. But I mean that's on like iPhones now.

Dylan: 1:06:33

It's more it would probably where else are apps at that aren't on iPhones?

Shannon: 1:06:38

Like Google. I mean, it's on there like Google Play or something, Android, Android, but like they're not on both.

Dylan: 1:06:43

You're gonna make like a specific Apple? Some of them do.

Shannon: 1:06:45

No, I was gonna make an app. I was gonna Jesus.

Brad: 1:06:47

Some of them do.

Dylan: 1:06:48

I was gonna make it.

Brad: 1:06:49

Some of us are podcasting here. To track some of them are for symptoms. Only one platform.

Shannon: 1:06:53

But yeah, the Crohn's one would have been not and like lots of things, like what have you ate? Yeah, like what's your stomach feel like?

Dylan: 1:07:03

What are some triggers every time you eat Mountain Dew?

Shannon: 1:07:06

Well, you know what's really weird is like his sicknesses were kind of cyclical because going back, let's circle back here for a second. Uh oh to the to the line of day. Because I have we have found where certain things he's like sick at certain times.

Brad: 1:07:23

Certain times. They definitely they definitely don't coincide with depression. Or do you think depression coincides with your stomach issues?

Shannon: 1:07:30

I've see, that's why I wanted an app, Dylan, to track all these things. Why would you the physical, the mental, the emotional everything.

Dylan: 1:07:38

I would say that your the depression comes along with the I was gonna say your physical symptoms would trigger because I well, like we we've been friends long enough, and I've been tracking you long. I have my own app.

Brad: 1:07:47

Something like written notes. Yeah, but something like 80% of serotonin is made in the gut. Yeah. And we've talked about microbiome. So and you've got Crohn's disease.

Shannon: 1:07:56

I could sense a flair with his Crohn's, but based on my attitude. Based on his mood before.

Dylan: 1:08:02

People would pay you for that.

Brad: 1:08:03

She's like, she's like, she's like, you're about to your husband's about to have a Crohn's attack. She's like, you're gonna get sick. And I was like, fuck you, you don't know what you're talking about. Boom. She's like, you got bad attitude. And I was like, fucking attitude's fine. I like everything right now. This is amazing.

Shannon: 1:08:17

It wasn't so much that, it was more of a quiet mood that would take over. Yeah, I was quietly saying, Fuck you.

Dylan: 1:08:23

There's nothing more dangerous.

Shannon: 1:08:24

And then I was like, he's gonna puke his guts out.

Dylan: 1:08:26

There's nothing more dangerous than a man that likes to talk than when he goes quiet and you're like, oh, this is not good.

Brad: 1:08:33

I don't like to talk though.

Dylan: 1:08:34

You have thoughts and opinions on everything. And when you go introverted, it's not gonna go.

Shannon: 1:08:39

He was introverted a lot though, so you just got in.

Dylan: 1:08:41

Well, he's not doing well.

Shannon: 1:08:43

He's not doing well, he's not doing well.

Brad: 1:08:45

Oh, we didn't get to talk about this last time. What? Did you do need a sniffer out of the way if you're gonna do it? Speaking of you can't be on the podcast. Speaking of not doing well, thank you. Or the opposite, doing well. What are you doing well? I want therapy.

Dylan: 1:08:56

Did you beat your therapist?

Brad: 1:08:58

Like physically or mentally? No, I just won. I don't think I have to go. Okay, tell me about it. I just she canceled, she canceled the appointment, so I think I think that means I'm done. I don't think that's what that you think it means. I think that's what it means. She was busy. Sounds like she's in a conflict. Too busy for she's probably like your problems aren't that.

Shannon: 1:09:14

Maybe she was sick. People get sick. That's what I'm saying.

Brad: 1:09:16

I won. You didn't win. Cut.

Shannon: 1:09:18

I canceled my appointment.

Brad: 1:09:19

Oh no. Yeah, but that's not because she won. Oh no. Oh no. She hasn't even started playing the game. Shit. It's fun. Introductory phase. It's good.

Shannon: 1:09:29

I've been through a lot of this stuff though. You gotta realize that you have to do a lot of counseling when you go through a counseling program.

Dylan: 1:09:34

And then you're yeah, doing it is exactly like going to not anything like actually experiencing it for yourself.

Shannon: 1:09:40

No, you had to go through counseling. You had to go through counseling in the program. That was like part of it.

Brad: 1:09:45

You were being counseled by students. Yes. I don't remember. My favorite.

Shannon: 1:09:48

I did group counseling too, though.

Brad: 1:09:50

Also different.

Dylan: 1:09:51

You should just keep investing. Just keep investing, Shannon. We'll just we'll we'll revisit this next year at this time. The consistency is fun. It is. My favorite, and I've talked to Brad about this. There are times where I go where I'm like, I've got so much shit on my chest. I've got to get it off. And then I go and it's like five minutes, get it out there, and then you're like, whoa, I feel so good. Wow, this was great. And then, like, you know, the rest of the sessions, like, you you're talking, you're whatever. And then there's times you're like, I am I am crushing life. Like, I there is nobody that's doing life better than me right now. And you walk in and you're leaving, like, I no, we need five more hours. I am not ready to walk back out into that world right now. I need five more hours.

Brad: 1:10:31

I do I do the thing where I don't actually talk about what I need to talk about.

Shannon: 1:10:36

I feel like you guys come in with notebooks, like you're such a pussy.

Brad: 1:10:38

We do, you're such a fucking pussy.

Dylan: 1:10:40

But it you walk in, you know exactly what you need to talk about. Yeah, but why are you afraid to?

Brad: 1:10:44

But why are you afraid to talk? Uh because we start talking about something else.

Dylan: 1:10:47

Yeah, you have ADHD, it's fun.

Brad: 1:10:48

And then you get you go through an hour and you're like, fucking didn't say any of that that I wanted to. And then the next time you go in, you're just like, I'm fine. And then the next time you go in, you're falling apart. Dude, this is why this is why I have a notebook.

Dylan: 1:11:00

I write down everything, and then I'm like, oh, flip through a few pages. I'm like, oh shit, yeah, we need to talk about this.

Brad: 1:11:05

Yeah. Because I am a space cadet. One of the last ones was definitely one of those where yeah, you use the full hour and then you you could have used like two more hours.

Dylan: 1:11:13

Yeah.

Brad: 1:11:13

But then there's other other times uh where you just You're bantering. You're not really or or you're just not being like fully honest. Time is dragging. I think we talked about this one time before. Like, why why are we talking about coaching like kids in soccer when I just got a tattoo on my arm that you know is a reminder to not kill myself? Should we talk about that? Doesn't that seem like more pertinent than it's wedding crashers?

Dylan: 1:11:34

I'm reading don't kill myself books. I thought those weren't yours. You said it's not your book. It's not my book, it's not the point. Don't worry about it. So I think we did that at one point, but Shannon got visibly upset when you said that about your tattoo.

Shannon: 1:11:44

What? No, I was trying to picture for a second which tattoo he was talking about.

Dylan: 1:11:48

Yeah, she thought it was just a treat.

Shannon: 1:11:54

I mean That's like a load of quiz. Which part?

Dylan: 1:11:57

You have patterns. And I say you actually do it, but your brain goes there sometimes. Do it, do it. Uh hard. Is that hard? Passive. Passive.

Shannon: 1:12:06

Hard?

Dylan: 1:12:06

Like, how does that make you feel? She don't know.

Shannon: 1:12:09

Don't tell me what I know or don't know.

Dylan: 1:12:11

I mean, I don't I don't tell you about them.

Shannon: 1:12:13

That part is scary when you don't know, I would say, the first time that happened. Because he could act like everything's fine. This is like this was before marriage.

Dylan: 1:12:22

Here's that guy though. Yeah. He's the one that's like a story.

Shannon: 1:12:25

For me, that part was scary because I was just like, uh, I had no clue. But we weren't like in we weren't living together or anything. Like he was like still up in Peoria or something. And I'm like, well, this is really frightening to me because I had no idea. Unawares. Unawares. And I don't feel like it was because of I was like in La La Land. He's such a good actor. And now I'm just like Hollywood. You're such an idiot. Yeah. Scary, I would say.

Brad: 1:12:52

Uh that's something I've talked about before though, too. Is and I think it's one of the hard things, especially about men's health, when they say we need we need to talk about it more. We need to talk about it more.

Dylan: 1:13:01

What do we need to talk about?

Brad: 1:13:03

Well, and so in in one session in particular, I think the the struggle I was having was uh okay, so you have passive suicidal thoughts, like how often is it happening? Okay, well, it's happening too often because it's popping up. I mean quite often. Well, put a number on it. Like, yeah, is more than one time in your life too much? Like, I don't I don't know what the number is. Yeah. Um, but certainly everyone has had some idea of like, oh, what if, you know, what if I fell off this thing? Or what if that's not really suicidal, but it's like you have that thought of, oh, what if I slipped and fell off this mountain or whatever.

Dylan: 1:13:37

Does your is yours associated with sadness or is yours associated with because I've I've heard this, I've studied a little bit. No, I'm not sad. Yes.

Brad: 1:13:44

Why'd you laugh?

Jordan: 1:13:48

I'm really sad to see that people are disenchanted and nihilistic and depressed and anxious and aimless and and perhaps Jordan.

Dylan: 1:13:56

No, but so there's the sadness um version of the suicidality, and then there's the it's the ultimate act of control where you just feel like you're so out of control, you're not actually that sad, you're just like, Well, I don't have control of anything else, so I can end it and just have final control. Yeah, I don't know that that's I mean, that's certainly probably an instance. I but like when I hear the whims if I fall off this iceberg, or you know, I just clipped that, like that's what that's what I think about is like, well, is this control or is this not control?

Brad: 1:14:26

Well, I'm just saying, like, in general, people that don't have uh you know suicidal thoughts, like maybe that's something that they could relate to. Have you think about that? And that's not uh probably really quite how I think about it or other people do, you know, it's just like you're just driving down the road, and then you're like, What if the semi just ran into my car?

Dylan: 1:14:45

I almost got murked by a semi on my bicycle. I was on Rag Bry. That would not feel good. And I was not paying attention and almost went right into a fucking semi while I was going down a hill at 55 miles per hour, and I missed it by about a foot. And then this is how I knew it was real because I didn't think I was drunk and I thought it was funny. And but this is how I knew it was real. We got to the bottom of the hill, and like the 10 people behind me all got off their bikes and came up and hugged me. And I was like, um They're all crying. That must have been real.

unknown: 1:15:14

Gosh.

Brad: 1:15:15

And I was like, How do you feel about bikers on the road? Oh Shannon.

Shannon: 1:15:19

Not a fan.

Dylan: 1:15:20

They're terrible, right? You're on a country road and they're just fucking doing dumb shit. Should we share the road?

Shannon: 1:15:25

I mean, I don't want to kill anybody, but it's it's a lot.

Dylan: 1:15:30

Uh they take away space.

Shannon: 1:15:33

Um it stressed me out.

Dylan: 1:15:35

Um stress you out?

Shannon: 1:15:37

Sometimes.

Dylan: 1:15:38

Like more than normal, less than normal?

Shannon: 1:15:40

No.

Dylan: 1:15:40

It's gotta be less.

Shannon: 1:15:41

And he doesn't stress me out. No, I would say less than more.

Brad: 1:15:46

You know, really the only time you stress me out? Yes.

Shannon: 1:15:49

When I stress you out. Yeah. Is this am I guessing like a time of day? Am I guessing like an action. An action when I'm chewing my gum too loud?

Brad: 1:15:56

Well, that's just fucking annoying. But now we have two.

Shannon: 1:15:59

Okay, so an action that stresses you out and it's not chewing my gum too loud?

Brad: 1:16:04

No. Tell me.

Shannon: 1:16:06

I I don't know.

Brad: 1:16:07

Parking.

unknown: 1:16:07

Oh.

Shannon: 1:16:08

Okay. I thought I did great. I just parallel parked on a busy street on Friday night. Just park on a car.

Brad: 1:16:14

Just park.

Shannon: 1:16:14

Oh, he's like, no, go here. Go here.

Brad: 1:16:16

No, I no.

Shannon: 1:16:18

He doesn't like it if I question, like, oh, I I speak out loud. Should I do this? Should I do that? I don't know. Maybe I'll just do this. Maybe I'll park here.

Brad: 1:16:25

And then she puts it in park, and I'm like, what are you doing? This isn't a fucking spot. What are we doing? We're floating in the middle of the interstate.

Shannon: 1:16:31

I did that at the bus bar the other night. He was so pale.

Brad: 1:16:35

Like, I live here. Fucking north-south. What are we doing? She's east-west.

Shannon: 1:16:40

I was facing the east, so I could see if someone pulled in down at the other concession stand and he just lost his.

Brad: 1:16:47

And then she's like, fine, I'll move it. And then she moves like five feet and just goes diagonal instead of any other.

Shannon: 1:16:51

Um, just well then I was just messing with you because I knew that was gonna send you.

Brad: 1:16:55

Oh, it raises my heart rate so much. Why is it why does it bother you so much? I don't know.

Shannon: 1:16:59

Hey, why does it, Rod?

Brad: 1:17:01

Uh I guess I have real societal norms about parking.

Shannon: 1:17:05

There's it wasn't a parking. I mean, there was no lying still in. It was a bus barn parking lot.

Brad: 1:17:10

But like people are coming in from the south, like straight to you. So I was like, well, we should face south because that makes sense, because then we can see them coming. And she's like, No, we're gonna face east because then we got this way and this way, and I'm just like, and and then it's like it's just she's too close to the building, there's not really like a lane there, and we're not really in the parking lot. And I don't even know what to do with my hands. I'm like, Well, yeah, what if a bus comes and uh they start honking at us?

Shannon: 1:17:35

And do you feel out of control?

Brad: 1:17:36

Yeah, and the car won't start.

Shannon: 1:17:39

You are putting a lot of just start throwing up possibilities out there that might not ever happen.

Brad: 1:17:44

Anyways, back to the talking about men's health thing. We need to talk about more. We talk about more. And I remember having a conversation with uh my therapist about like, but uh when does it become when do we normalize what we're talking about and it loses the intensity? What intensity? Like the intensity of having suicidal thoughts.

Dylan: 1:18:05

Why would that why do you think that ever go away?

Brad: 1:18:07

What do you mean?

Dylan: 1:18:08

The intensity. Why do you why like why would that ever go away? So you think that human life's gonna become that invaluable that's a good thing.

Brad: 1:18:14

No, but like is that no, it's a little bit like if we talk about it every single day. Yeah, it's a little bit like crying wolf to some extent. You just become desensitized to it a little talked about this.

Dylan: 1:18:23

Okay, I know you're I know you're doing this, where it's like, no, I feel this all the time, and then people become desensitized to the fact that like, oh, you that's just you, you feel that way.

Brad: 1:18:31

Yeah, where it's like, well, yeah, but and it's and you're not gonna do it because you haven't done it. Yeah. And and so that becomes a tricky uh kind of spot.

Dylan: 1:18:39

So I mean so what I what I do parallels and in some parallels, a little different, but you've got um friend in yeah, that too. Rob Rob Renner?

Brad: 1:18:48

No, we're not doing this. Keep going. No, but it is no, um I'm not gonna make funny jokes anymore because every time you get off on tangent.

Dylan: 1:18:54

No, but the who's the uh director that just got murdered by Rob Reiner and him and his wife, and they put their son in rehab. I'm I'm I'm not I'm not 20 some.

Shannon: 1:19:06

I'm not yeah, I'm not being it's ridiculous when I say the number. It's 20 some it's 20 some, yeah.

Dylan: 1:19:11

And it's like at what point, and you're always gonna help your kids out, or you I mean, it's a little bit the let them, but it's like that real like they just got in this norm cycle of like, well, he'll never harm us. He maybe this that him murdering them was probably not the first time that he's ever physically assaulted slash threatened them. Like it just wasn't 20 some times in the rehab, and then like, oh, I'm just gonna physically assault you guys now. And so there had been signs up into that, but your point, they got desensitized to the where they're like, Well, it never worked out, he always calms down, and then eventually it didn't happen. And yeah, to your point, when does it not become serious for people? And that's hard because then you we've talked about this. I don't want to talk about too much because I don't want people to not take me seriously, yeah. But also then I'm becoming introverted about the problem and now I feel isolated and now I feel like I have nobody. Yeah. And it's a do if it's a it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation that catch 22 of am I allowed to or am I not allowed to?

Brad: 1:20:11

So I kind of like our go my go-to now is just like saying I don't feel I don't feel right. I'm having a bad day or something along those lines. Uh-huh. Which is you know could be a text could be a to some extent like that's what it means. So like I'm not giving real specifics, but it's enough for me just to know that I'm I'm sharing that problem with somebody and she's aware of it so that she's aware of it.

Shannon: 1:20:36

My real favorite though, he likes to write so that's good. And he'll say uh maybe I'll write about like I'm feeling this way. Maybe I'll write about it. Okay. And then like a week later he'll be like oh yeah here's this thing I wrote and there could be some heavy stuff in there but it's like out of his system.

Dylan: 1:20:52

So then it's just like well this would have been nice to have in the moment but not do we need to get you some canned statements where you're like you can just hit her fast and be like it's like it's like this. It's just like bam we talk about practice.

Shannon: 1:21:07

Practice like you just need like a button he'll do it on a text like he'll do that but then he'll like sometimes write something but then he'll be like well this is yeah this is what I was feeling and I'll be like oh do you do you want to talk about this? Because this is like two pages long. Like should we I don't want to talk about it that's why I wrote it down.

Brad: 1:21:24

So I'll just say okay thank you for the writing you don't want to have any any conjecture on the on the written word uh no that's why I like the written word because it's dead once you put it down.

Dylan: 1:21:35

Do you feel like it's actually dead or he does I think sometimes but then you wrote something and you've given somebody thoughts and you're not if you think it's dead you're not giving them an opportunity to they have they have their own thought thoughts. I don't want that's but you're not giving them an opportunity to talk to you about how they feel about how you feel.

Brad: 1:21:54

But but I am a writer and you don't talk to writers you just read what they write. I guess I could just write something back in rebuttal too you could you could do you think that would help it's not that it's not that it's not that we can't necessarily like talk about it. It's not bad.

Shannon: 1:22:06

It's just I think like by the time I read it I'm just like I don't know do we really want to go revisit this all over again like the writing is the cathartic thing for me.

Dylan: 1:22:14

You say that and you might feel good for being heard but do you think that actually going down that rabbit hole as a couple would be good of just like no come come take a ride on my crazy for a second. And I'm not saying it that you're crazy. I'm just you know it's a term of endearment in that way. Okay.

Brad: 1:22:29

But hey come down the rabbit hole with me understand how I feel and you might have a better understanding of who I am and no I think the writing kind of facilitates that a little bit and that's partially why I write because I I can be more descript in writing than I can in talking typically do you ever have questions after the writing? Oh probably yeah and you're not giving her an opportunity to talk about it why is this my fault?

Shannon: 1:22:52

I'm not saying shit I'm not saying like I hang on to him don't worry I tuck him in my line of day journal.

Brad: 1:22:58

No like I'm not saying like here's my writing let's not fucking talk about this ever.

Shannon: 1:23:02

No, he doesn't say that which sometimes it is in the moment.

Dylan: 1:23:05

I could I could see from Shannon's point of view and I'm not I'm not trying to speak for you right now but I could be like this is so fucking heavy yeah does he does he want me to ask does he not want me to ask like you're putting her in a weird position. Yeah but sometimes so what I think you need to do is end the letter of if you have questions come find me I'll be with the A I'll be right next to you or I'll be with the coors light and we can talk about it. And then and then and then PSPS or PSS whatever the post post post script by the way we can end with sex.

Brad: 1:23:38

No I'll be doing so you break the tension you're just like all right we're gonna break the tension I'll be doing like the the David Cross crying and arrested development yeah in the shower. Yeah exactly shower cries are the best but you maybe just open the door a little bit for and but it's also kind of a it's the writings are sometimes a it's not uh like the initial thing it's kind of a response to some stuff that is maybe it's not always out of the blue.

Shannon: 1:24:05

No, it's not out of the blue.

Brad: 1:24:06

But like there's some shit that's gone down like this is my expression of it's cathartic for you because you're taking the emotion into the it's gotta be a little cathartic for her because she's actually understanding what's going on instead of bringing it back around.

Shannon: 1:24:17

It does bring it back around yes.

Dylan: 1:24:20

There might be questions. That's fine. I I mean like I've dealt with a lot of the same things you deal with in my ex-relationship now. Talk about 2025 recaps. I was not good at explaining where I was or what was going through my head and then like I there were times that I would we communicated best through written because like we both were very shy in person with each other for whatever reason. Yeah but can you not put your shortcomings on me? I'm just saying that I feel like there's I I look back and it's like what could I have done better and I think it's like I okay this is how I feel however you're in my life I want to know how you feel about this and it's not that I need your validation or whatever but obviously I'm one half of you because we're a married relationship or we're a partnership. And so I yes that it does matter how we feel about my feelings and it doesn't mean that I need to lessen how I feel about myself but there's a we in this somewhere.

Brad: 1:25:16

Yeah but we would have I mean not necessarily like long discussions all the time but like talk after it's not just like case closed.

Dylan: 1:25:22

Yeah no I just no you just said shit all over you just said you rugged it and then you guys don't talk about it afterwards because it's more cathartic for you. I just I'm just asking questions. By the way don't take fucking relationship advice from the 34 year old that doesn't have a girlfriend all right or okay or okay we we'll figure it out you want to write me something tonight that's just sub baby.

Brad: 1:25:44

In the tur in terms of we need to talk about men's health more there's there's that I guess and and also you but you make a good point. But also there's there's some sort of as as there are in any groups there needs to be uh I guess advocates so if somebody's coming at me with the exact same problems that I've had I I'm gonna be pretty receptive because I have a level of understanding.

Dylan: 1:26:08

I would say find yourself a hype guy. Yeah but then also make sure that you take care of that hype guy because that hype guy might be going through some shit and you know the same as I was a hype guy.

Shannon: 1:26:16

Well I think it's also too I mean but I think men men sometimes don't maybe verbalize as much and easily as women and then when that happens then we create our own narrative in our minds as to what you're thinking or feeling is that why you guys get mad when the boys go to get drinks who gets mad the women the women get mad when boys when boys go have fun the women are always like what the fuck's going on over there she doesn't know about that.

Dylan: 1:26:43

We don't have fun.

Brad: 1:26:44

I don't have fun no I know looking I was gonna say I don't know I don't know what kind of fun he has football fun yeah yes oh I'm just saying like if you're like retreated into your own little cocoon like you don't even have to be having fun like you could be not having fun and then it's like no they weren't a lot of fun what's wrong with them I think that's the been the most helpful thing about saying like I'm not okay right now is just that it's a little tear in that cocoon of the shit show that is going on inside my downward spiral in my brain and that's enough.

Shannon: 1:27:15

That's usually the turning point.

Brad: 1:27:17

I mean usually it's enough to start climbing out of that it is the acknowledgement sometimes where you're just like I'm just not good.

Dylan: 1:27:23

Yeah.

Brad: 1:27:23

And and just having something to say like it's okay to not be okay.

Dylan: 1:27:27

A little bit of that is you know you and I've talked about I think we've talked about here too is uh Simon Sinek calls it sitting in the mud. And I love that term because it's I just want to tell you what's going on in my world and I don't need you to fix it. I don't need you to tell me what I need to do. I just want somebody to just sit there in the fucking bullshit with me in the mud and just say Roger that I'm here with you and let me know how I can help. Because a lot of people go to it's hard to dig a lot of people go to fix mode instantly because they're uncomfortable and they think if I start talking it'll make it better and you're like I don't need you to talk.

Brad: 1:28:03

And I feel like that's kind of a newer trend like clearly there have always been people that have been able to do that you know sit with you. Yeah like so you're saying talking talking is a newer trend and I no no no no no I'm I'm saying the the commonality of of people saying like I can just I can just hold some space for you to hold your space you know and I feel like that's a little bit of a newer thing. Um there they're what I'm saying is there's probably always people that have done it naturally but I I think it's becoming hopefully more common because I think that is a helpful kind of thing. It is especially coming from someone who likes to fix shit.

Dylan: 1:28:36

Well I think it's hard because some people want to fix things because they're fixers but not because you're uncomfortable you know yeah I also think that like it's easy we all have we all have things that we're not good at we all have our own problems. Speak for yourself. I yeah I know right um it's it's easier for us to give advice than it is to solve our own problems at times. And so I think when other people are going through issues are hard you get this kick like I if I solve their stuff then I'm uh I'm exonerating myself and I'm absolving myself of my own issues and my own things and I there's people in my life and I'm not gonna name names that obsess over helping others and getting them solved and getting themselves involved in lots of other things it's not you. Okay. I was wondering but it's if I just dodged that metaphorical good over here I'll be okay over here. And you're like no actually you've just made your life more stress because you're taking care of others and you're not it's the whole oxygen mask put your zombies and then when you have ADHD on top of that that's more fun.

Brad: 1:29:40

Yeah you're playing with uh kindling and matches in a drought because there's some of that and then it's kind of like instead of shiny new object it's like oh dull shitty object that could be a shiny new object. There's nothing more dangerous than a dull object that could be shiny. Trust me we know every day I go to bed and I'm like why am I the way I am but this is this is realization and I realized this well quite a while ago. You realize realization that as far as the fixing things kind of my favorite type of weed was uh cocaine.

Dylan: 1:30:13

Is that what you realized?

Brad: 1:30:14

No I liked uh old cars. Okay let's take this old thing and then we're gonna make this into something not four wheelers just old okay old like and then it was kind of like old houses like this idea of like a broken down old house and then like reviving this kind of thing. Because you need to stay busy and then it's furniture and then it's this thing and then it's and then I realized it was never the things what were you chasing the fixing like the fixing. Early early on I I I felt like it was an accomplishment like look at it. I took this thing and then I made it into this thing. Aren't I such a good fixer? Fix it Felix.

Dylan: 1:30:48

Yeah but there's there's there's an accomplishment there.

Brad: 1:30:51

There is but then you find yourself doing it for unnecessary reasons.

Dylan: 1:30:55

You're defining yourself by your accomplishments and not by what you're it's a slippery slope. Slippery slope that's what she said. Can you do shwefast?

Shannon: 1:31:04

Shweaty balls she has such a good voice for that oh we're here for welcome to our program Brad and Dylan thank you and on tonight's uh episode we're gonna be talking a little bit more about those shweaty balls actually what's the recipe like it's very meaty oh Jesus are they chocolate?

Dylan: 1:31:23

No they're more of a cream sauce this reminds me of Dang the BK Lounge was the Burger King I don't want to do it because I want to blow up the mic. Blow up the mic no sweet and sour thought stupid I forgot about that part around lady with it my way we need sweet and sour sauce this is not the kind of podcast I signed up for.

Brad: 1:31:48

He's just uh he's just talking about my brother was the Burger King we worked at a Burger King that they were just talking about the drive thru the people that would either yell microphones and it's like I got a whopper going yet he's like dude that's the it's a microphone it works both ways like it's two feet from your software is gonna hate us. Oh my god settle down who so but then there's some people are like I get a can I get a whopper can I get a whopper with no pickles no sweet and sour pickles some sweet and sour sauce.

Shannon: 1:32:21

Why would you why would you get that one ma'am what what did you just say I wish we had some vests on right now I actually have one upstairs I should we have some Christmas vests.

Brad: 1:32:33

You know what this is audio only so nobody really cares. That's true. We don't have video I could take on more of an aura though I feel like if I aura ring aura no that's a baby thing killer or no that's the thing that the tracker do you have one no oh is that what it is yes what am I thinking of Nuva ring is that one are you thinking of the ring that they put inside you to knock it out yeah what's that Nuva ring?

Dylan: 1:32:57

I don't know is that is that one I don't know I didn't I didn't have one I think it is the Nuva ring no I don't know it's like how much experience do you guys have with dental dams oh my god none depends if I put the Bob Seeger album on or not depends you know what we need to have Jennifer on here sometime maybe is that you you play hold on loosely always this is Seeger approved okay what was it called Nuva that's funny because that's the only Bob Seeger song I know by title.

Shannon: 1:33:22

Is that still a thing?

Brad: 1:33:23

Probably night moves? No I said by title night moves.

Shannon: 1:33:26

Okay now I know two okay sorry yeah that's it Nuva ring it's a flexible hormone releasing vaginal ring used for pregnancy prevention how long does it last I think it's a 30 day thing oh three three weeks in one week out is it like the eye of sauron is it like what magic you put it you put it in yourself or do they put like the eye you it's a flexible ring.

Brad: 1:33:47

Yeah bro it's like external internal you put it in you like pinch the Oh god it so it's like your own little something like that.

Shannon: 1:33:54

You know like the the things that hold on like body panels or something similar to the pill but with lower steady hormone doses and a once a month schedule.

Brad: 1:34:02

Probably just put in a snap ring pliers I think yeah I don't like this her body her choice.

Dylan: 1:34:08

That's okay that's I mean I've known people that have used them I just was never someone that ever tried it were you a pill or I was yes both what both birth no oh birth control all the way what I'm oh that's right you just like four days before you got pregnant what you were on birth control? Wasn't I I don't know the pill yeah I thought we were doing it by the way I'm a proud supporter of the birth control pill and I will moon phases lunar no bad I done shut up yeah like people are more fertile when the tide is high or so you know obvious you know staunch staunch promoter of the uh birth control but how do you promoter women that feel like birth control fucks with them too much like don't take it aga agreed yeah but where in like the dating process do they require to tell you that they're not on birth control. Oh just curious for asking for a friend probably I mean I guess I would never assume as a guy or as a girl I mean I think I would ask immediately following me like just like if you but if you were really concerned for for example say it's me it's not me but say it's me like okay like I'm gonna go on a date with you. Hi here's a drink nice to meet you phone number are you on birth control? No that's not how it goes birth control then number?

Brad: 1:35:22

No wrap it up hi okay we'll have a drink together okay here's my number here's the number where you can go get STD tested oh when that comes back okay then you ask it's funny you say that because I've done that before I I I I'm dead serious.

Shannon: 1:35:36

Yeah who hasn't you've done that no I would say wrap it up don't assume and then like it comes down to communication like I don't want to have you guys had the birds in the bees talk with uh oh yeah Kona?

Dylan: 1:35:48

She already had babies okay good for her too late. Good for you Kona Yeah yeah did you or did you?

Shannon: 1:35:54

We both kind of have but you guys do it sometimes I say a little tag team action you're like okay I don't know I mean does he do you feel prepared this is you Brad I usually say you need to go talk with your son.

Dylan: 1:36:06

Do you do you feel like you did a good job on the conversation?

Shannon: 1:36:09

Like it's not a one conversation.

Dylan: 1:36:11

I think that's important too I never had one so yeah it's gotta be constant.

Shannon: 1:36:15

Yeah like I never had a conversation so and he could speak in on this too but I don't know I usually like every week or two I'm always like have you ever watched the 1990 thriller sliver oh yeah and then that was that was pretty much it so I don't know so do you have like multiple conversations with them? Oh I just keep telling I just keep telling them to watch that movie when I throw magnums at him I'm just like here hey just stay focused on top well because like you know the problem with having like I think he's open about some things like well he'll be honest about other people maybe not always spill his beans but then it's just like oh my god I'm like is this the norm then is this what kids are doing or are they Shana can't remember what it was like being in high school how old apparently 14 almost 15. Yeah between if he hasn't already between now and the next two years he's gonna lose it no he's not okay maybe anyways it's an ongoing conversation um and just reminders and I think sometimes he's open to the conversations and sometimes he's like yeah why would I do that? I'm not also not like not sex but all of us are dealing in general. Whoa man I was 20 months old okay I was like what thanks Archer um phrasing I just think again it all comes down to the open communication about things.

Dylan: 1:37:29

I think that's the key. When you don't make it when you don't make a taboo it doesn't become a big deal anymore. I had so many like my parents they didn't let me I want to say they didn't let me like drink drink but they weren't gonna punish me for drinking and I knew that and it was like a decriminalization almost if you will but I would talk about I would call them and I'd be like I'm fucked up and I don't want to get in the car with what such and such and I knew I had no repercussions but I feel like if you're a parent that's like I'm gonna beat the shit out of you. You're gonna be grounded and it's like how many dumb decisions have been made by kids because they think they're gonna be grounded for three weeks and it's like well I'm not gonna risk that I'm not gonna risk the the berating I'm gonna get in this stupid car and then somebody that's too drunk and it's like well that's the conversation we've had I think those conversations probably more too just like you know what what would you do if someone was like he's like oh we'll do that. I'm like but here's the thing like people when if they have had anything in their system they might be really it I think being open to it being open and honest will lessen lessen you know because there's not gonna be there's not gonna be conversations there's not gonna be things but like you're not gonna you're not gonna lose your whole life over this no but certainly the kids put themselves in a situation where they're not even gonna think about that.

Brad: 1:38:44

No like oh I yeah I could have called you you're right but never crossed my mind. I call my parents a lot. Okay well good for you again everybody's not Dylan. I'm not saying I mean I think you don't want to I think you would I think you would call our best I think you would too I'm not seems that part doesn't bother me just saying like you're that's assuming that someone is in the right frame of mind all the time.

Dylan: 1:39:05

Yes and but you always want them and to your point there are times when the like check engine light I'll call the check engine lights not going off in their head where it's like everything seems fine and normal and they're gonna make their own decisions. And they are but you always want them the any time that the gut and because there was time like there was I I know exactly what you're saying. There's times I got in cars with people or I did other things that was not kosher but because of that I never felt like we were going to get in trouble and I never felt that like guilt or any of that. But then there were times where I was like I'm feeling pressured I don't like this this doesn't feel right it feels forced and I wanted to know that I had an out and I was able to just be like no guys I'm good I'm I'll walk a little bit and then I'll call somebody and come get me. Yeah you just want them to know that when the check engine light goes on yeah follow it. Mm-hmm I don't know I don't have kids I have a cat she pukes everywhere so I don't know she hates you she does hate me.

Shannon: 1:39:58

I don't know kids are There's no easy stage, I don't think. Babies um well babies were challenging too. You're in Mark.

Dylan: 1:40:05

I can't wait till you guys are grandparents. Not soon. Not soon.

Shannon: 1:40:09

Like that came a little too soon after that last conversation.

Brad: 1:40:13

Twenty thirty years from now. The and you might have you might have seen this initially, but it was the uh the quote uh like grandparents that are uninvolved with their grandkids never really wanted kids in the first place. And and grandparents that are super involved with their grandkids always they just want to be a parent again. You know, and like easy there, move along, but it's not that hard to see, I would say. Don't do that. I feel like that's close to home right now, Brad. What observation? No, what you're talking about, but that doesn't necessarily mean because I've seen it from uh different families or people I've worked for or something like that. Like the grandparents may be involved with the grandkids, even though they're not local to the grandkids, if that makes sense. No, so like they still they can still like call them or like when they are there, like that's what they want to do. They want to spend time with them or things like that. So it doesn't have to be uh like based on the amount of time that you're with the grandkids, or quality. Yeah, it's it's what you're doing with the time my dad took me to have with them.

Dylan: 1:41:20

I never fucking heard from them unless I was in their presence, but then when we were together, it was great. Like and they're they're awesome. Okay, but then I never heard from her again. Okay.

Shannon: 1:41:29

I mean, I'm okay waiting to be a grandparent for a while.

Dylan: 1:41:31

Yeah, like 20, 30 years.

Shannon: 1:41:32

I was just we have some I we have people our age at our grandparents.

Dylan: 1:41:36

Wait, how old are you gonna be? I don't know. When when's it socially acceptable?

Shannon: 1:41:39

I mean, there's people that are our age at our grandparents.

Brad: 1:41:42

You remember looking at pictures? Like I remember looking at pictures of my grandparents when they were 35 and they were hair, when they were probably 50 and they look old as shit. It's just like fuck, I'm almost 50.

Shannon: 1:41:55

Dude, when it you're not almost 50, you're not even 45.

Dylan: 1:41:58

I had this, I had this thought the other day, and I feel pretty close to 50. I feel like people don't look as old as the generations prior to us. They don't because I I've seen pictures of people in their 40s and 50s from like the 70s and 80s from black family members. I'm like, you you look 60 here.

Brad: 1:42:18

Can I can I comment on one of them? What I think uh hair loss treatment wasn't a thing back then, so yes. But that but there's also lots of shaved heads now. Like they weren't trying to hold on to it looked like better. You went gray and balding, and you just did what you kept, you know. Like, yeah, this is the haircut I've always had, even though I don't have hair anymore. And now I feel like a lot more people are just shaved. You know where the uh we never got to really talk about this, but the Jordan Peterson thing I went to the Adler Oh who'd you go with?

Dylan: 1:42:50

You went with uh Mark.

Brad: 1:42:51

Just a friend. No, just a friend.

Dylan: 1:42:54

He's just a friend. And you say he's just a oh baby.

Brad: 1:42:59

Sorry, tell me more. So many bald guys with beards. So many okay. Tell me more. I do I was just like, is this a bald you have to have? Is this an archetype that I knew existed and now this is confirming it? Yeah. So what's your supposition? What's your dissertation?

Dylan: 1:43:17

Give me it.

Brad: 1:43:18

Uh beards are in right now. There's there's a couple, it isn't because it's in, it's just I don't like shaving. Well, there's there's categories, right? It sounds in fifth grade. Like if you if you have a bald head and you have a pretty rockin' beard, right? Okay, there's a couple things you could be. Jeff Danny. Really? Iron Man. Oh least favorite. Yeah, yeah. He was old, right? Yeah, yeah. Okay, sorry. Like him and everything else. Uh motorcycle gang, old school motorcycle gang. Hells Angels. You could be that guy for sure. Who like bald head? Oh, big beard. Okay, I feel like um, but sitting sitting in that auditorium, even worse. You could definitely tell.

Jordan: 1:43:59

I'm really sad to see that people are discounted and nihilistic and depressed and anxious and aimless and and perverse and vengeful and and all of those things.

Brad: 1:44:08

It's I was so sad listening to that entire thing. None of these guys ride motorcycles that are in here. Okay. Okay. So then that's you're out of that subcategory. You gotta go into another subcategory, um, which is I mean, uh there's probably beer pop, beard rock. Beard, like you listened to a lot of creed growing up. Craft beer, creed.

Dylan: 1:44:32

I like that. Craft beer, creed. I mean, maybe the best halftime show ever at the Dallas Cowboys Stadium.

Brad: 1:44:38

I I put creed like cross symbols on all of my you've never seen this social media, you know, but I don't maybe follow anything in the religious teaching. You know, I mean trying to name a subcategory difficult. Here we go, here we go, here we go.

Creed: 1:44:53

Today, the Dallas Cowboys and the national football present an American holiday tradition with a halftime celebration to kick off the salvation arm.

Brad: 1:45:05

Nobody can see this. It doesn't get much better than that. Uh also when that song comes on, you fucking crank it. It's okay.

Shannon: 1:45:34

Yeah, good.

Brad: 1:45:34

It's passed out on my foot right now.

Shannon: 1:45:36

What is she laying on? Oh, it's your foot.

Dylan: 1:45:38

Sorry, Kona, I need my foot back. I just lost all track of time. I know. All concepts, all things. Mongolia, time is a Kazakhstan, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, circling back so I don't get to do this race. That's a hard no.

Brad: 1:45:52

Seems like a hard no. Yeah, it's okay. I don't want to do it.

Shannon: 1:45:54

I mean, I felt like it was something he was super passionate about and wanted to do.

Dylan: 1:45:58

Good thing to get there. I still say no.

Brad: 1:46:01

Good thing the terribly unoblivious budget just next to the button. I still say no. You gotta press one of the hot buttons, but you gotta guess which one I'm what which one it is, right?

Shannon: 1:46:10

Like, did you die?

Brad: 1:46:11

God, how did you know?

Shannon: 1:46:12

I didn't even say the thing yet. You guys are stuck.

Dylan: 1:46:15

I was gonna be like, I can read everyone like a book. It's my superpower. Yeah. I've literally been put on this world.

Brad: 1:46:22

I called Shana from the step phone to do this. Our one-liter car broke down. I don't know where we're at. We're somewhere in Kyrgyzstan.

Theo: 1:46:29

My favorite type of weed was uh she's like, but did you die?

Shannon: 1:46:33

But did you die?

Theo: 1:46:35

Good.

Shannon: 1:46:35

It's good.

Brad: 1:46:36

We're broke out of Kyrgyzstan. Good.

Shannon: 1:46:39

I don't even know all these places you guys keep rattling off.

Brad: 1:46:42

Uh Eastern block.

Dylan: 1:46:43

Eastern. Yeah, it could be western, depending on where you're at in the world.

Brad: 1:46:47

Okay. For the compass lesson. Let's let's aim lower.

Dylan: 1:46:50

Lower than what? Than that race. Okay, what are we gonna do then? What's our hard thing? We gotta do something. We gotta do something very uncomfortable next summer. That's difficult.

Shannon: 1:46:59

Next summer or this summer?

Dylan: 1:47:00

This summer. It's gotta be demanding. It's gotta be physically demanding how I I Well you could have helped him rough our house. I want to want to punch you in the face so hard.

Shannon: 1:47:10

That would have been nice.

Dylan: 1:47:11

I wanna I want to literally be in the middle of nowhere wanting to punch you in the face and be like, I can't because I need him to survive right now. That's quits.

Brad: 1:47:20

Yeah, that's what that's what Billy would be saying. That's what I'm saying.

Dylan: 1:47:23

Yeah, I'll call the black hawk.

Brad: 1:47:24

Come quick at me. I want to do this anymore. The chopper right here. Come and be like, no, no, no, no, no, buddy. The the map's been upside down this whole time.

Shannon: 1:47:32

You should take him hiking with Corbin and Phoenix.

Brad: 1:47:35

I will leave them.

Shannon: 1:47:36

I want to talk about stress.

Dylan: 1:47:38

I will leave them.

Shannon: 1:47:39

I don't know how I got through life in Utah.

Brad: 1:47:42

I'll leave them. Don't do that. Don't put me on that. No, that was not bad. South Dakota was way worse.

Shannon: 1:47:48

What?

Brad: 1:47:49

Yeah. We were on a long hike. Oh, that was nothing. I remember when you got off that. You were ready to kill because somebody coming back down had said, like, oh, there's these open stairs uh when you get up to this building, and all they were were the steel grate stairs.

Shannon: 1:48:04

But they kind of freaked him out about it. No, that that was nothing. Nothing.

Brad: 1:48:07

I think he pictured like just these stairs floating into nothingness over a mountain. And he's like, I don't want to go up. I don't want to go up anymore. I can't go up anymore. It's just like, oh, we're we're already 90% to the top. It's gonna be great. You're gonna love it.

Shannon: 1:48:20

No, that part didn't bother me.

Brad: 1:48:22

It's more like watching them. He's like, because we we're Whom is whom? Who are we talking about? Corbin. Corbin.

Shannon: 1:48:29

Corbin.

Brad: 1:48:30

Because we're we're going back down the stairs and he's meeting people coming up, and he's like, Oh, it's not much farther. You're gonna love it, you know, you'll love it up there.

Shannon: 1:48:38

The view is worth it. He still said the view is worth it.

Brad: 1:48:42

You were just bitching about this like 10 minutes ago.

Shannon: 1:48:44

So proud of himself.

Brad: 1:48:45

Oh my god.

Shannon: 1:48:46

So proud.

Brad: 1:48:47

Yeah, then on the way back down, it was that wasn't I don't know. That one didn't bother me, but oh I mean the Moab one was just like we're out of water, we're gonna die, we're lost, you know.

Shannon: 1:48:56

Not that even. It's more like watching them on the edges of well, that's a you problem.

Dylan: 1:49:01

Edges of what? Cliff. Cliffs. Uh that's like that was uh Ari Schiffer when he was like, uh girls just letting you know that when we go on hikes with you, we think about throwing you over. He goes, but that's like he goes, that's not us. We're we're self-controlled. He goes, but we always think about it.

Shannon: 1:49:18

We did have a system by the last, well, the one that was like more.

Brad: 1:49:22

Yeah, Shana goes first. No, what Phoenix? Oh, Phoenix goes first. Then me. Because he's trustworthy. She's less afraid of him falling.

Shannon: 1:49:29

I he's yeah, moral.

Brad: 1:49:31

We're not talking about he's more of a scaredy cat than no.

Shannon: 1:49:34

Uh well, he did hang back originally at the arch is he did uh back with me.

Brad: 1:49:40

Yeah, because me and Corby went out and did a bit of a sketchier.

Shannon: 1:49:43

It's more them two together if I were to watch them. Because all it takes is one little like, oh god, stop, get away from me.

Brad: 1:49:51

And then somebody horse collars them and all of a sudden trip on one of them like it's mad. But what are you doing down there? There, there.

Dylan: 1:49:59

Why do you have a base parachute on your uh back? Yeah. This is the only one. I watched a lot of bass jumping videos last night. I was like, I'm definitely doing this.

Brad: 1:50:11

Oh, why? Uh I don't know.

Shannon: 1:50:12

Have you gone rock climbing?

Brad: 1:50:13

Yeah, for real. Yeah.

unknown: 1:50:15

Yeah.

Brad: 1:50:15

I don't picture you in rock climbing shoes.

Shannon: 1:50:18

Trying to figure this out. I'm trying to picture it too, Dylan.

Brad: 1:50:21

I've got ridiculous upper body track.

Dylan: 1:50:22

That's fine.

Shannon: 1:50:24

It's not about the upper body always. It helps.

Dylan: 1:50:27

You have a good wingspan, but well, yeah, but it's it's it's fun because my lower body is stronger than my upper body, so it's easier. Yeah, but also masks. Oh, I understand it's no, it's it's not it's not good when I have to hang for long periods of time. Uh the the person I used to I used to climb up a palisades.

Brad: 1:50:45

The person that was best at it was probably Chris Sharma, who was probably a little bit bigger than you. Uh just I mean he looked like he could have been a power lifter. No, he wasn't that big, but he was uh pretty he was pretty good size, pretty strong dude. I've got got my old I used to go with Greg, Mom's ex-boyfriend. But they you can excel specifically at certain types of classes. I'm not a boulderer, like I'm not gonna go upside down. Like I just need a wall. You could you could though. Like I mean, I could people with extreme strength can do the short explosive moves more than the technical balance. That's what she said.

Dylan: 1:51:23

I knew I was horny from a young age.

Brad: 1:51:26

The old arm bar. Yeah, it's what my priest used to do to me. What I said that loud, sorry. Do you get that compensation? That's coming.

Dylan: 1:51:34

It's coming eventually.

Brad: 1:51:35

Probably.

Shannon: 1:51:36

Like did you die?

Brad: 1:51:38

Inside. Yeah, maybe a little bit. Uh spirit left me.

Shannon: 1:51:43

Activate.

Dylan: 1:51:44

Oh, she's she's she's yawning.

Shannon: 1:51:45

I'm yawning.

Dylan: 1:51:46

The time?

Shannon: 1:51:48

You know, I am an early to bed. I think it's time.

Dylan: 1:51:51

So what are we gonna what are we gonna end it on?

Shannon: 1:51:53

Shreddy balls?

Dylan: 1:51:54

Yep. Okay. Brad, what are you gonna end it on? I would like to have the recipe. Brad wants the recipe.

Shannon: 1:51:59

Okay, I can get that down for you.

Dylan: 1:52:01

Is it uh does it take a lot of salt? They're like salty shreddy balls. I don't even know how to end this. I just need to fucking hit the button.

Brad: 1:52:07

Come on.

Dylan: 1:52:08

You're still here.

Ferris: 1:52:12

It's over. Go home. No.