If Cats Have Demons, We’re Hiring An Exorcist

A quote from The Dark Knight, a detour through Heat, and suddenly we’re not just talking movies—we’re talking systems, stakes, and why “hope is not a plan.” We riff on chaos and anger with our running “Deuce Bruces” gag, but it all funnels into something real: how to design your life so it doesn’t fold when the first thing goes wrong. From tech jobs that used to implode to the “engineer bags” and weekly inventories that now keep us sane, we break down how a few small systems erase a lot of stress.

We also chase the joy side of discipline. A breakdancer crushes bouldering problems, and we unpack why play often beats punishment when you want lasting strength. A bike story turns into a lesson on risk and judgment. Therapy makes an appearance, too—ADHD avoidance, the strange comfort of feeling “seen,” and why pre-writing thoughts can outpace spirals. When the day feels impossible, we don’t reach for motivation; we reach for a tiny, precise win. Make the bed. Label the cable. Cut the tape instead of tearing it. Those rituals aren’t fussy—they’re proof you can do the smallest thing right, which is how the biggest things stop scaring you.

Then we dare ourselves. A Masogi isn’t a bucket list stunt; it’s a once-a-year trial you might fail where you can’t die but you might want to quit. We weigh rucking for 24 hours, a Longs Peak scramble, and tests that weaponize stop-start fatigue. Pair that with rally dreams like Dakar and you’ve got a working template: stack fundamentals, choose one audacious goal, and build a bias for the next step when your brain screams to stop. Systems create calm. Precision builds pride. Hard things feel lighter when you practice them on purpose.

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Transcript

Movie Quotes, Chaos, And Setup

Dylan 0:00

This is the Terribly Unoblivious Podcast.

Ferris 0:03

Yep. I said it before, and I'll say it again. Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while. You could miss it.

SPEAKER_01 0:20

Targeting me won't get their money back. I knew the mob wouldn't go down without a fight, but this is different. They've crossed the line. You crossed the line first, so you squeezed them, you hammered them to the point of desperation. And in their desperation, they turned to a man they didn't fully understand.

Dylan 0:34

Jesus. It is. I didn't know we were doing a Christian episode. We just need to figure out what he's after.

SPEAKER_01 0:40

With respect, Master Wayne, perhaps this is a man you don't fully understand. Maybe. Maybe you don't get it. It's possible. I was in Burma. My friends and I were working for the local government trying to buy the loyalty of tribal leaders by bribing them with precious stones.

Dylan 0:57

I wonder what our audience thinks about this intro.

SPEAKER_01 1:03

Also, are we gonna get ripped off the air for this?

unknown 1:05

No.

Dylan 1:07

We're giving credit to the Dark Knight 2008, Christopher Nolan.

Brad 1:13

I just saw a clip today, The Dark Knight, and how heavily influenced Christopher Nolan's filmography. Cinematography of it was based off of heat. Really? Yeah. It would be cinematography. You're talking about like the actual like shots? The shots and how they match up, like uh or the sequencing, like the cut sequence same sequencing and very similar like scenes. So uh like the hockey mask style versus the Joker mask in the beginning. Oh um, there's one scene of oh, what's he driving? What's the Joker driving when they're going through like the tunnels? The school bus? It's like a bus or something, right?

Dylan 1:53

Yeah, but it's no, he gets in a school bus at the hospital.

Brad 1:56

But it's similar to oh, he's in a semi.

Dylan 1:58

Yeah, he's in a semi. It's lower Chicago.

Brad 2:01

Yeah. When they have that big wrecker and heat and they wreck that car, and just the the way that everything is set up, and then they they do side by sides of all the different scenes of it. Oh, this is why I love this movie so much. You do love heat. This is like the third or fourth time we've talked about heat in the past three or four episodes. Really good. I can't really watch it though. Why? It's kind of a bummer. Well, don't talk about the ending. No, I mean, just like the movie feels kind of like a bummer. It's a bummer. I mean, I don't know. It kind of makes robbery look sexy, but then it also makes it feel like a bad divorce. He's not he's not Deuce Bruces. But Val Kilmer doesn't really get a good uh feel good vibe in that movie. He's a really good shooter in that movie. He's a really good shooter, he's pretty good with explosives. Not a great husband, not a good husband, turns out. I'm not really sure why. Couldn't tell you. Honestly, now that I'm thinking about it, like what's he do besides obviously being a criminal? I don't know. I don't understand what he's doing. Neglector. Is he? I don't know. Did he gamble? Did he gamble? I don't know. He wasn't sleeping with anybody. Why'd she hate him so much? That's talk to me, goose.

Dylan 3:01

I I don't understand fucking thing about women. Well, that's the way they want it. That's true. That's true. Mysterious, always changing their minds, always hungry, always. No, they're not. Oh, they're not? No. No, that's you.

Brad 3:15

I'm not always hungry. No, always changing your mind. Always hungry. I don't want to do this. Let's do this. I want to do the best. I don't want to do it at all.

Dylan 3:21

Uh okay, Deuce Bruces. Jesus Christ. The reason I started with the Dark Knight is because it's not even this type of Bruce. It's just a different Bruce. Oh, I didn't I didn't make the connection. Dew spruces. Yeah, I didn't make the connection. Bruce Wayne.

SPEAKER_01 3:32

But playing. With a rupee the size of a tangerine.

unknown 3:37

Tangerine.

SPEAKER_01 3:38

Who think is that? A tangerine? Yeah.

Dylan 3:40

Like a cutie, like a cuties orange? Like a cutie. Like a testicle size? It's gonna be bigger than a testicle.

Brad 3:45

Maybe some.

Dylan 3:47

Uh that's scary. Uh so we've officially gone four minutes into this podcast with just murmurs and rambling and something else. I don't know. Yeah. Buckle up because there's gonna be 56 more. All right, let's go. You were bringing some heat in, speaking of heat at the beginning of this podcast. You said some very ominous shit, and then you shut up. And I was like, uh, okay, I guess we'll just get the stuff, we'll get the podcast. What do you mean ominous? You always are just like very mysterious at the beginning. You're like, no, don't worry about it. And then you come in here with anger. Yeah, that's why Deuce Bruces. Yeah. So Deuce Bruces alludes to uh Bruce Banner in The Hulk and how Brad came at me the other day and told me I was always angry. And I was like, Don't put this on me. You're always angry. Well, how'd the story go? Not at all like that.

Brad 4:34

Okay, then tell tell the audience the real story. You said we should do a segment where we're really angry, but we're always angry. That's the funny part. And I said, Well, we're always angry. And then I was like, we did the Bruce Banner thing, and then I came up with the uh the Deuce Bruce's. We did two two Bruce Banners. So the always angry podcast. Yeah, terribly angry. And then I sent you the clip of you know the Hulk trying to kill himself, spitting bullets out. I put a bullet in my mouth, the other guy spit it back out, and then Loki goes, Yeah, well, anyways, anyways, moving on now.

Dylan 5:06

That's funny. It is funny because it's kind of how those movies go.

Brad 5:10

Oh, I thought you were gonna say how our relationship was.

Dylan 5:12

Oh, yeah. No, that that it's a it is a that's definitely um an object or a symbol of our relationship. But you were really angry about what? I don't know. This was the other day.

Brad 5:22

I don't remember what I was thinking about. That must have been important. Oh, I know what I was angry about. You're not gonna talk about it though. Nope. Okay. This is a good segment brought to you by Deuce Bruces. Deuce Bruces. I well, you got a bunch of shit written on your notepad when you talk about it. Oh, yeah. I just started I just started writing things down.

Dylan 5:39

Okay.

Brad 5:39

Can caring too much make you an asshole? Yes. I don't care what your answer is. Hope is not a plan. I hope is not a plan.

Dylan 5:46

Yeah. That's uh I got a good piece of advice a long time ago. It was it was the first and only. You plan for the worst, and you can, you know, play for the best. But you plan for the worst case scenario. Is it is this just the Boy Scout motto? Is that what this is? Is it is it's the Boy Scout? What why is your phone going on? Don't do that. But how many people do you see build a scenario around, oh, best case, this is what could happen, this is gonna be so good. And you're like, what's your contingencies, man? Like, can you still can you still pull it off if everything goes wrong? What is your plan if everything goes wrong? And then we can be excited about what happens when it goes right.

Relationships, Anger Bits, And Deuce Bruces

Brad 6:26

But you realize we have the opposite problem a lot of times. What we plan for the worst things that will probably never happen. Or make we ruminate or make up scenarios that are like why are you so depressed today? Oh, because I was thinking about this thing in my head that's never gonna happen.

Dylan 6:41

Well, well it's contextual. What that is true, is it no? But like I I I think more in terms of actual actionable items when you're creating an action plan for what's going to happen. You know, you're in a business setting, you know, I've people are building projects for our customers, and they're like, we can do this and this and this. You're like, okay, what happens when this happens?

SPEAKER_04 7:02

Yeah.

Dylan 7:03

Uh I didn't think about that. And you're like, well, so we're assuming everything goes right and we're gonna get this project done in 11 days. Let's maybe think maybe we're gonna get it done in 20 days. Well, and can't you put layers on that? So how many layers? Layered cake or like an onion? Um, probably like a cake.

Brad 7:20

It really depends on how complex something is.

Dylan 7:22

But okay. So is a lady gonna jump out in the middle of it for her birthday?

Brad 7:26

Bo, I mean, if that's part of the plan. Okay, yep. I guess it's one of the layers. Yeah. That's not an edible cake. No, uh, I mean I thought they did like cardboard around it or wood.

Dylan 7:36

I I guess everything is edible if you have no morality. Yeah. Maybe Donner Party. Yeah. Party of six. This this episode was brought to you by the Donner Party.

Brad 7:46

Meaty. Uh so in your case, let's take a tech scenario. Client orders this, we have 11 days, we're gonna do this. Do you only put one tech on it? Or do you have a high-level job that you put a low-level tech on? Or you you get what I'm saying here? Like, can you can you layer things so that in case something does go wrong, there's something else to mitigate that? Maybe it's not it's not gonna totally negate the problem, but yeah, it's it I think sports is always the easy analogy. Like if you're on a basketball team, you don't just train one person to do the winning. Like you you have to have four more people, and ideally you have to have five more people than that, so that when things go wrong, you have options, options, strategies, things like that.

Dylan 8:34

No, I'm addicted to stress and uh anxiety, so I just let shit fall apart, and then I like to come in and save the day.

Brad 8:41

Then I think of it on the fly. Uh like here's a a work example, like my buddy Heath. He's he a painter, sprays everything, pretty much sprays everything.

Dylan 8:48

So he's got a prep team. Does he have a prep team?

Hope Is Not A Plan

Brad 8:50

No, so he has uh, and people will do this with like car fleets or name a machinery where you have multiple of them. And so they use the same brand, maybe not the exact same kind, but a gaggle, like a gaggle of geese. A gaggle of sprayers. Okay. And that way if something breaks down, he has a whole toolbox of parts. Well, so it's like, yeah, I got a fluid body, I can just swap this thing up. So versus if somebody else is doing that, me, and you just go with the sprayer, and your sprayer just like takes a shit on you that day. You're like, uh, well, that's gonna cost me at least a day. Because now I'm I'm either gonna have to go buy the part or I gotta get a sprayer, I gotta do this, whatever. Yeah. And so that's mitigating the potential downstairs, which will happen.

Dylan 9:35

Yeah. So what was happening at my office, which I absolutely talk about Bruce Banner moments, is we would have a job 30 minutes away. Okay. We gotta go install some switches, new server, whatever it is. Is it like underground or like you gotta walk there or I uh Elon has been putting in some boring company stuff for us, so we're definitely underground right now. He is boring, he is boring. Um, yeah, they actually extended it from Vegas to Moline, Illinois, just for me. Wow. Elon and I are pretty tight. That's weird. I know, but I think you know, autism, they run in packs. Runners? Runners. Oh, yeah. So my thing was is they would get to the site and then they wouldn't have like cables, like patch cables. Like, you know, everyone thinks of like Ethernet cables that your laptop or your devices plug into the wall, laptop, whatever. Okay, so an Ethernet cable, and they would have to drive 30 minutes back, or they'd have to be like, Hey, can you send somebody to do us some stuff? And I'm like, How is this a thing? How are you how are you on site without anything that you should be potentially well? We didn't know we possibly could need this. I didn't know I needed this, so I brought nothing. So what I and so what ended up happening, which was hilarious, is um we built what we called engineer bags. So they all got their own tool sets, they all got their own TNT. They yes, they uh we did engineer. No, right? Mm-mm.

Brad 11:00

We put claymores in claymores in. Isn't that what engineers do?

Dylan 11:04

What?

Brad 11:04

In the military?

Dylan 11:05

What? Well, I don't know, blow things up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, yeah, yeah. So different. But the the funny part was is they're like, well, that means we have to do inventory now. And you're like, yeah, until you can learn to go down every project and do it perfectly with everything you need, you're going to learn to have to do your own inventory weekly now. So they have to turn in a sheet of what is and isn't in their bag to our inventory lady. But guess what? We don't get those calls anymore about being, hey, I need this or I need that. Is there any swag in their bag? Yeah, we got them patches. Oh. Yeah, we got patches made. Okay. What uh never mind. No badges. I'm not gonna do that. Just patches. No, I got it. Yeah. Patches of Juliah? No. Dodgeball?

Brad 11:42

Nope.

Dylan 11:43

No? Ben's Vaughn? No, I was going to go. Ben Stiller? Way way different. Michelle, his consequences? Laptop. Laptop. Okay.

Layered Contingencies And Team Redundancy

Brad 11:50

I can keep saying names and people and places and things. No, that's alright. And I'll just keep having verbal ticks. That's fun. Laptop. What else has happened this week? Nothing. Moving on. Oh, I saved this. Uh Corbin, he uh is training to be maybe a break dancer, possibly. What do you mean, maybe? Is that why he's doing bodyweight shit all the time? Yeah, I don't know. Based on some of the stuff, I'm like, I mean, this is good. It's good for you. It's really good for you. But um yeah, the practical purposes look to be in the breakdancing field. So that's why he's always it's probably gonna benefit him climbing. 100%. He's into climbing.

Dylan 12:27

Anyway, I meant to send you this video yesterday. Um, it was uh there's a guy on YouTube that has like a climbing channel, a bouldering channel, and he went and found like a pole dancer and like someone who's really, really talented. And he was like, Hey, uh, do you want to come to the bouldering gym with me? I want to see how good you are. And she was climbing fives.

SPEAKER_04 12:49

Yeah.

Dylan 12:49

No she'd never climbed in her life.

SPEAKER_04 12:52

Yeah.

Dylan 12:52

And be and but you do you watched her like do a like a pole routine and she's you know, full, you know, the full starfish basically, where they're just holding on by their arms, fully sticking out. Yeah. I mean, at that point, the the weak link up to a certain point would be your actual finger strength. He said it was he said the biggest surprise for him was how good her footwork is. And he was like, I can't, I can't believe how good your footwork is today.

Brad 13:16

I wouldn't think that would be yeah. And bouldering is uh bouldering is just a free climb, no rope up to well 15 feet, 20. Well, 15 to 20 is average. Yeah, 15 is probably pretty normal. Um the some of them go bigger, some of them go smaller, and it's just a small series of moves, and the harder you the the harder the the bouldering problem gets, the more precise the moves have to be. So there's one classification. Well, there's only like a specific sequence that works to get you through the hand holds. Um, but somebody like a dancer, they they have flexibility, which is huge in bouldering. Dexterity. Uh dexterity, the core work. So the ability to hang somewhat vertically off and and be able to hold your lower body in specific positions. Yep. Is a pretty pretty big one. Um, and if you don't have that, you have to be just jacked in the upper body because your your lower body's like uh damn. Prison body, yeah, prison body a little bit.

Dylan 14:13

But then the the the problem because I think they escape jail more often with prison body.

Brad 14:16

The the problem is the more jacked you get in your upper body, the more likely you are to be heavier. Yeah, and then that's just you know physics. So yeah, that's not that surprising to me.

Dylan 14:26

So I had a funny thought.

Brad 14:28

I mean, I'm I'm not a pole dancer, and I I don't climb. And you're shit climbing actually. No, yeah, I see. So should have both. So it kind of makes sense. Okay, I don't know where you were going with that. Well, I mean, the correlation's there, you know. Shit, shit. No, like she's a dancer, she's a good climber. I'm not a dancer, I'm not a good climber.

Dylan 14:43

Ooh. But Corbin's gonna be a good dancer.

Brad 14:45

Yeah, but he's working on can we buy him flare pants? No. So he got some gift cards to the local sporting goods store named after a body part. And Karen? Karen's, yep. Okay, yep. Uh, it's right next to Michael's. Yes. So crafting and sporting, it's all good. And uh I don't I don't know what maybe they maybe they would go after shoes or certain sporting things or clothing or I don't know what else they, you know, the coolest new probatting gloves. I don't know what kids want these days.

Dylan 15:16

Yeah, I'm very jealous of Karen's nowadays versus when I was growing up. Karen's was not that cool. But now the amount of swag in that store is pretty cool. We didn't have Karen's back then. We didn't have Karen's toes, but temples. Ooh, yeah temples still exist, it's over at the bedplex now.

Brad 15:33

Yeah, they have less.

Dylan 15:35

They always did all like the jerk, they were like a jersey maker and everything, right? You would always order.

Brad 15:39

Yeah, so unless you wanted a baseball glove or a jersey, like you're not going there to hang out. No, you know, no, no. So he goes there and he buys parlet bars. That's what he bought.

Dylan 15:48

That's awesome.

Brad 15:48

Yeah.

Field Kits, Inventory, And Fewer Emergencies

Dylan 15:49

So he's obviously seen some calisthenics somewhere and he's like oh yeah, he's uh he's on the old YouTube. Good for him, man. Watching some of that stuff. Well, that's he's gonna be jacked. So I've taken especially his age, he's just screwing around with it. I mean, it's play, like we've talked about like what's the best form of physical exercise is play sometimes.

Brad 16:04

Uh, when we went climbing the other week, he he was just watching videos all day the day before. It was while we were on break. So he's watching videos the whole day and he's just doing pull-ups and he's on these parallel bars and just doing all this stuff. And he's like, I've been working out all day. And I was like, Well, that's not how that works. Yeah, you're not gonna be, it's actually you might be worse. You are gonna be screwed for tomorrow, actually. Which yeah, it was a little bit, but I have taken to doing push-ups on the bars every day now, like multiple times a day. I just randomly not as part of a workout, I'll just go in there and hit like however many I can to failure.

Dylan 16:38

Okay.

Brad 16:39

And I've already doubled in five days. So it is amazing how fast it comes back. And I'm also terrible at push-ups. So really have you ever been good?

Dylan 16:48

Uh I'm not I'm not necessarily the best.

Brad 16:51

And by terrible, I mean like I I pump out too fast. So you're you're so the number that are endurance stringed together is low. Your endurance. Yeah. What about your recovery though? Like could you Yeah, but only up to a certain point. Okay. So like anything more than so during anything more than a hundred, it's not coming back.

Dylan 17:09

So during COVID, I was doing bare minimum. And it's something that I wanted to kind of get back into because I really enjoyed it. Was a hundred pull-ups a day, a hundred push-ups a day. And actually, I think the push-ups I went to 200 and by the time COVID was over, and then uh I was doing a hundred sit-ups every day. And again, I think that one went to two or three hundred a day towards the end of COVID. Um, and that one, and then a hundred kettlebell swings. And I had a really well-rounded and I wasn't like jacked, I wasn't like cut because I was drinking and eating a lot during COVID. Yeah. But my my movement and being able to just general everyday activity was, I mean, did rag ride, did bike. I mean, I wasn't riding my I mean, I was riding my bike a lot during that time, I shouldn't say, but I had less low back pain than I've ever had. I don't know if anybody's been on a bike for long extended periods of time. You can start to lock up a little bit. Those kettlebell swings like just made my back bulletproof. The core was bulletproof. I was able to sit on the bike for a lot longer. And it was I was climbing trees again. It was fun. I ride a bike like the and then my lats were massive, which was even better.

Brad 18:14

Like Keanu Reeves in the Matrix. Not when he's riding a bike, but when he's dodging the big big big big bullets, when he's done when he's dodging the bullets, I just ride like this. Oh, that's uh let's say you ride a bike, yeah, you lean back, yeah. Like as far as I can.

Breakdancing, Bouldering, And Transfer Strength

Dylan 18:25

Why? Um, I don't know. You know, it's good for your core. So you know Lewis, right? It's hard to see what's I don't know if I'm allowed to use him by name here, but you know Lewis. Carol, not Shelby. Uh Clark? Jesus. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you know, you know Lewis. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So that Jesus. Our our Rona ride when Ragbro was canceled. When Ragbro was canceled during Corona uh during coronavirus. Yeah, because you couldn't be outside. We did Rona ride. Okay. And we rode north to Minnesota and back. Okay. Over the course of a week. It was one of the most fun trips I've ever been on. Did you have to go through Wisconsin? We we so what we did is we rode I need a map. We rode uh Quad Cities, so we rode from Davenport, left Matt's house. We went to Dyersville the first day, so just outside of Dubuque. Um, then we went to McGregor, Iowa, which is on the Mississippi River, and then we crossed McGregor then so the third day we crossed from McGregor over into um Wisconsin. I think that's Prairie de Chine is across from McGregor, maybe. Prairie de Shine. Prair de Shine. And then we rode uh to Lansing, Iowa, and we got to Lansing, Iowa on the third day, and then we ended up camping there for a few days, but we were doing day rides up to Minnesota and back because it's only 15 ish miles from the border. And then what we did is we rode back home down Wisconsin on the way back to the Quad Cities. We rode back to through Wisconsin, and then we cut over into Dubuque. No, we cut over back to Dyersville at some point, then Dyersville back to Dubuque to Galena, stayed outside Galena that night, Savannah. Illinois and then Iowa. So we are in four states and 15 counties. I don't know. You're falling asleep. You asked for the story. Regardless, we're on our way into um uh we're we're it's the second day. We're riding to McGregor, we're going through Gutenberg, Iowa. That's actually Gutenberg, it's Gutenberg after Steve. Sorry, Gutenberg. And I don't know if you know familiar with Gutenberg, Gutenberg, super hilly on the way in and the way out. Yeah. On the way down, Lou is ridiculously hammered, and we're with a bunch of newbie bikers, and we just start racing down the hill 50, 55 miles per hour. Lou is shirtless, Lou has a drink in his hand, and Lou is leaning as far back on the bike as he can doing the Matrix thing. And I'm like, dude, you are one acorn away from just me having to call your parents and being like it's over. And he and the the newbies that were with us, and like we had a whole like my buddy Sean was like with the newbies was like, No, seriously, no, hit the brakes, don't go this fast, and you're you've never ridden a bike like this before. Like, he's corralling them as Lou comes flying by, shirt off, leaning back, drink in hand, just having the best time of his life. And the story ends with a skin graft. Somehow he didn't do it, but um, yeah, anyway, that was a long story. It was amazing. I was actually, I was it's amazing, but in retrospect. And in retrospect, it's amazing. At the time, I was definitely the responsible parent, and I'm yelling at him the entire time like get your hands on your goddamn handlebars right now. Like, I'm not calling your parents. Yeah, I mean, you can crash while you're steering too. That's true, you know.

Brad 21:32

Yeah, it's not mute mutually exclusive. I don't know.

Dylan 21:36

I don't think what is oh, speaking of mutually exclusive, I don't know how this is mutually exclusive, but I had a thought about this, and somebody put this in my brain yesterday that I wanted to pass by you. So I think somebody told me if because they were asking me about the plane and me building it and you know, all these things. They're like, if I went to jail and the judge said you either have three years to build an airplane or you get a life sentence, they're like, I'm pretty sure I'd get a life sentence. And so I was and they're like, That's just I'm not, they're like, I'm not a good like, I don't know how to build or make things. Like they're like, I'm just that my brain doesn't work that way. So I started thinking about it. And what happens if the prison system we just figured out what you were really, really bad at, and you're like, you have three years to master this thing, otherwise your whole sentence is in play. But if you can do it in this period of time and you can show us you're a master at it, then you can get out.

SPEAKER_04 22:25

Okay.

Dylan 22:26

I I feel like there might be a little bit of rehabilitation there where you send somebody down a rabbit hole so aggressively. I don't know. Uh so is this for every sentence? I I I I don't know. Let's just flesh it out right here. Or like, are we talking life sentences? No, we're talking everything. Let's say let's say felony 10 years. So basically, like you can basically get from a third all the way up to a life out. Now we'll we'll excuse the violent stuff. The violent.

Brad 22:55

What do you have to know? Well, okay, so what would the parameters be on building an airplane? Like, do you do would you have to get we'll we'll for this for this argument assemble everything?

Dylan 23:06

You gotta assemble it and you've got to get it passed by the FAA saying it's got a flight certificate. And you have to fly it. Uh no. Yes. Okay. Do it. Otherwise, there's no point. Okay. Like you can where are they gonna learn to fly this? Listen, you can not so they've got to not only build the airplane, they've got to get a simulator and freaking figure out how to fly it.

Brad 23:23

Listen, you're in, you're in for 30 years, right? Okay, you can either knock 27 years off this sentence and possibly die, or you can serve the 30 years. I like this so much more. That's gotta be that's gotta be better. Airplane prison. This is good. You're like, I built the airplane. Okay, cool, fly it. Well, you know, uh, okay. And P.S. You also have to land it. That's the easy part. Okay. A crash is a landing, too. I mean, it is. Yeah, yeah. You walk away. But the the airplane is almost the perfect uh symbolism for it because you're free. Like you get in the airplane if you can fly it, and you're poetic in a it's Icarus. You're done.

Bikes, Risk, And The Matrix Lean

Dylan 24:02

Don't don't don't fly too close to the sun. Yeah. And if you did a bad job, you die. That's it. So we got Daedalus and we got Icarus. And we're gonna call Planulus. What? Oh, I thought we'd keep no, no, but the prison would be what they're in the labyrinth, right? And that's the Greek the David Bowie movie? Yes. I have never seen it. But it's Greek mythology. Okay, Greek mythology, go. Minotaurs. Yes, there's a Minotaur in there. Wait. Who's the king that keeps them in prison down there? King Hades. It's not Hades. What? Hades is a god. Uh of the underworld? Yeah, but the labyrinth is not part of the uh Harry Potter? We we need to do a Greek mythology method. Do we episode?

Brad 24:43

I want to wait till Phoenix takes it in high school.

Dylan 24:44

Okay. He's gonna do it. So we're 28 minutes in and we still haven't found what we're gonna talk about. What did uh what did you text me yesterday? I don't know. It was Icarus related. Yeah, you were flying too close to the sun. Um yeah, you wanted to have drinks. No, I didn't.

Brad 24:58

I don't remember that I don't think that was it at all. While we're waiting.

SPEAKER_01 25:02

Oh, I sent you the what oh shit. Did I turn that down? Good job. But it was a good spot because some men aren't looking for anything logical.

Dylan 25:10

They're not looking for anything logical. And maybe maybe this is podcast. We're not looking for anything logical.

SPEAKER_01 25:15

Or negotiated with some men just want to watch the world burn. I like that.

Dylan 25:20

I like to watch the world burn from time to time. Do you? I do. I mean I feel guilty. I'm like, oh, I let that happen. Not that I was gonna stop shit, but oh what? I went back to therapy. Oh yeah, Thursday. How'd that go? When was the last time you went? It's been a little while, it's been a while. Why do you let it go? We talk about this all the time. You're not supposed to because she canceled it and I thought I was done. You didn't everybody Brad thought he won. Well, we talked about this in the last time, but not that many people listen to this. But yeah, Brad has this thing where he thinks he won therapy because the girl canceled on him. The lady, I should say. If she thought I really needed it, she wouldn't have canceled. I don't think that's how that works. Okay. I mean that's I mean, I think there's a reason every once in a while to ask you if you're works. I don't just they ask you if you're having suicidal tendencies, and if you say no, then they're not at risk. They do ask that, I think, actually. Yeah, they do. Never noticed it before. They no, you didn't think.

Brad 26:09

No, I they don't ask people they don't think are at risk. Okay, what I do is I just go like this through the question. I just line it out. Yeah. Because it's supposed to be like never somewhat, a little all the time. Oh I just scratch the whole thing out. Oh, you do a pre-doc. You do a pre-do. I do a pre-doc, yeah. Yeah, but like I scratch it out so many times that my pen goes through the paper. So they know you're not serious about it. So that they know like this is an absolute hard no that that's never uh that's never a thing. I actually I think you might be giving more vibes than my the the pre-doc it's is becoming my favorite thing about therapy, actually. That's a problem, is it?

Dylan 26:49

I don't even like talking to her, I just like the form. Because now it's a thing where like I just try to write as much ridiculous shit on it as possible. Does she read it? Like when you she can't wait to read it. Oh my god. Sometimes it's just a quote. I can see how that I can see how that could be easy.

Brad 27:11

Like, because I feel like I I try to make it relatable to what I'm going through. Yeah. So like I'll pull a quote or uh something and but I can't.

Dylan 27:19

I mean, you can see like how many times have you talked about you've gone in therapy and you're like, I haven't I didn't say anything I wanted to say until the last 10 minutes. And I do actually part about that document is sometimes it's hard. We've talked about this, you know, just even with not therapists, but significant others people in your life. I need to ride it out for them because my thoughts get so clouded when I'm verbalizing that I don't feel like I'm actually doing myself any favor. So I can see how the pre-doc would be nice for that. Like just okay, take some time. Here, this is what I'm doing, this is what I'm feeling. Here, read this reading. No, that's not that's not what I write about. No. No, I love this. Occasionally I'll give her like a grocery list.

Brad 27:55

Maybe you are winning therapy. Fuck a grocery list of things. So then you do kind of get to a dead point. She's like, um, so you've curated a TikTok list. And I was like, Oh, yeah, that's my don't kill yourself TikTok list. You want to go through that one? You want to go through that together? But it's pretty fun. That's hilarious. No, I did actually write TikTok down on this last one because I had come across uh a lady that does therapy, and some of the most recent videos were late diagnosed males for ADHD. And to the point where it was it was very specific. Uh oh. Uh did you feel triggered? Yeah, not no. I felt seen. Oh, even better. So almost the antithesis of triggered. I related that to her in terms of like writing her philosophy where you you have any particular ones that really stuck out? Uh yeah, I'll get there.

Dylan 28:44

Okay, sorry. Continue where you have maestro.

Brad 28:47

Where you have, let's uh say a philosophical idea that you've kind of been thinking about ruminating on, and then by some happenstance you read a novel or a book or an article or something, and somebody from 200 years prior just wrote it down perfectly for you. Like, yeah, that was yeah, that was my idea. Yeah, we've talked about this. And you and you wrote that's that's how I felt when I watched her videos. Oh just like, oh, this is yeah, this is I relate to this.

Dylan 29:17

So you latch on you lie, like you latch on ideologies.

Brad 29:20

No, it was just the the way that she was describing things and and why they may be that way and uh and things like that. So um one of them was uh that inattentive people can sometimes come off as the nice guys because they they use that to avoid confrontation. Inattentive? Yeah, okay, so people not paying attention. Uh uh like inattentive ADHD.

Dylan 29:43

Mm-hmm.

Airplane Prison Thought Experiment

Brad 29:43

Yeah. So I'm like, ooh. Uh I didn't even know I was doing anything. So partially it's to avoid confrontation, part of it's to avoid having to uh take ownership of anything that you've done wrong because you're not you you you just kind of become invisible in that sense. Yeah. So it it kind of makes you come off as the nice or passive type person. Um little bitch. What? Yeah, I'm sorry. I relate to that. I accept that. That's fine. You're not a little bitch. Fuck you. Thank you.

Dylan 30:16

Okay, it feels better. Good. So you wanna back back in therapy. Back in therapy.

Brad 30:21

So we did not win. Uh did not oh, I did I did make her say, Oh, because I'm trying to I I wish I would record these sometimes. It'd be great.

Dylan 30:32

Uh it's your session.

Brad 30:33

Yeah.

Dylan 30:33

You can ask her. You don't have to film her. No, just audio.

Brad 30:37

Yeah. Might be good for you to do that. But I think we were talking about oh, what was it? It something along the lines of I was like, I I just don't like sometimes dealing with my own problems, like the problems that are I create by myself, because we were talking about setting up your own Roblox and things like that.

Dylan 30:54

Okay.

Brad 30:54

And she's like, well, nobody nobody likes, you know, hearing problems about themselves. I was like, no, no, no, no, no. You don't understand. We do this podcast terribly unoblivious. It's called that way because we know like we're we're what the fuck is wrong with us. We're damaged. And I don't want to look at that because I'm addicted to setting up roadblocks. And she's like, oh like that's fucked up. As she jots down fierce notes fiercely. Yeah, because she's just like, yeah, people don't like looking at their own problems. And I was like, no, I'm addicted to creating my own problems. She's like, let's uh let's put a pin in that. Let's we're gonna come back to that one. Okay.

Dylan 31:29

The best part is you're gonna just hear this like frantic the next time you're scribbling, the next time you go in, your pre-doc is gonna have like six different ways to ask you if you're thinking about killing yourself. It's like, wait, there's different questions on here this time.

Brad 31:42

I I'm not I'm obsessed with the absurdity of life. Wow.

Dylan 31:50

You two? That was perfect timing. Oh, speaking of the absurdity. Where did you even come from? I have the doors locked upstairs. Oh my god. She dude, she came in at three o'clock last night and just she did that.

Brad 32:04

She just sat in the door. Do you know what's happening? She's getting old. No, I think she's dead, and now she's a demon. It's possible. Yeah. She looks like a demon kitty. Yeah, it's a can you oh my god.

Dylan 32:17

Oh my okay. We gotta we're pausing. We're pausing. She hates you. Yeah, yeah. Sorry for that feline interruption.

Brad 32:24

I think I think cats are the most likely to harbor demon spirits out of the animal kingdom. Not kangaroos. No. Chinchillas? No. No. Jackalope. No. Okay. Mostly cats. Specifically orange cats.

Dylan 32:37

Okay. Most likely. I mean, she is named after the Egyptian goddess Anubis. Is she? No. She's named after Orphan Annie, who was a redhead, but she's not.

Brad 32:46

See.

Dylan 32:48

Full circle.

Brad 32:49

That's what happens. It is interesting. What if what if cats do have nine lives, but the last eight are just different demons' lives?

Dylan 32:57

I mean, I'm saying I feel like that's gonna be picked up for a Netflix TV show.

Brad 33:01

Yeah.

Dylan 33:01

Oh, speaking of content stealing, you feel like there's a certain brand that's been stealing our material. Oh yeah. Not that I was I'm like, with all 10 views on our podcast.

Brad 33:12

No, but this is another one of those I feel seen without having ever been seen because it's not my fucking original idea. I'm a soogie. But the clothing brand Go Fast Don't Die, which I am big big proponent of. Big fan, big fan of. I like their shirts, I like their sayings, uh, just comfy clothes. And honestly, the best part about it right now is the emails that they send, which are not weekly. Every I mean, every once in a while. I would say once or twice a month, and they'll send you a little screensaver little thing that's that'll be the thing at the top. So, like if you want to put something on your phone or your desktop or whatever, as a little reminder, and then based off of the screensaver, they have a a scene written about you know whatever the topic about you.

Dylan 33:59

You feel every every saying just happens to be with you. Uh about you, for you, with us through them.

Brad 34:06

I mean, I feel like it is like exactly about me, maybe?

Therapy Returns, ADHD, And Being “Seen”

Dylan 34:12

Yeah, or for me. So I played the Scott Galloway clip for you about alcohol a couple weeks ago. And now you have a problem. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. But I was gonna say one of the things he's been talking about recently is um cocaine. No, okay, no, that'd be cool too, though. Uh I think one of the reasons that you like these sayings to be seen is because there's a level of emotionality to it, because there's a level of admitting vulnerability, but still pushing through that vulnerability. And he talks about how males have a very hard time with that vulnerability, which isn't surprising to anyone, but it's being able to live through that vulnerability and then keep pushing forward. And I think that's kind of what this this brand does for you, is that's probably why you're seeing is it's I feel seen that I can be vulnerable but also still masculine at the same time. What? I don't know. No, okay, not at all.

Brad 35:04

They they make a lot of black shirts, that's why I like them. All right, never mind. God, get on it. Uh, but one of the emails that I I did actually forward to you, which I don't know if you followed these emails yet or not, but you should. And the screensaver would have emailed Masogi. I was like, oh yeah, I know that word. Yeah. And if you guys don't know that word, fuck you, because you haven't listened to the episodes. It's fine. That might have been one of our better episodes. No? Better than this one? I don't. This one sucks. Okay. And then they'll they'll go through. So that's the the screensaver, and then they kind of give a story. Maybe they'll go back to explaining what the screensaver means. Didn't die. Uh it's actually part of Masogi is not dying. We haven't picked a Masogi for 26 yet. You haven't.

Dylan 35:43

We didn't do 25 though, did we? Um, I mean, we we talked about it. We barely did any podcasts last year, so maybe it was 24. We were supposed to do something. Probably. Uh fuck, we're really bad at this. It's fine. What's your 20? Yeah. What's your 26 Masogi?

Brad 35:57

I'm probably gonna build a plane. Okay. See if I can fly it.

Dylan 36:00

Okay.

Brad 36:00

It's gonna be way smaller than yours, though. Yeah. Like bicycle size. Oh, okay. I like it though. I mean, hey, short compatible. You still die. It's gonna be a drone. Actually, it's gonna be a big drone.

Dylan 36:10

You're gonna sit on the drone?

Brad 36:11

It's yeah, it's gonna be one of those agricultural drones. You can do that.

Dylan 36:14

No, I know. I can do it. Yeah. You don't know anything about avionics? Any of that? It's not avionics in that birds? No, I was gonna say anything about microcontrollers or aerodynamics? Is it flight characteristics of the seagull? No.

Brad 36:32

Oh. Uh, so the Masogee email. I'll just go through. I'll I'll give you guys a little taste of I'm not gonna read the whole thing.

Dylan 36:39

Give the whole fucking company a taste.

Brad 36:40

Uh this is the little taste. So there's the boom, there's your screenshot. If you want to save that, remind you of of what's going on this week. The quote is by Oliver Wendell Holmes. A mind that is stretched by a new experience can never go back to its old dimensions. I enjoy that. Say it one more time for the a mind that is stretched by a new experience can never go back to its old dimensions.

Dylan 37:02

Yeah, it's a lot like the red pill, blue pill in the matrix. I mean, unless unless you get dementia. There are times that you go forward and you're like, well, this has been amazing, but now I feel like days. You're never gonna look at anything the same. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. There's a little bit of that give and take with it sometimes.

Brad 37:20

Why? Oh, why didn't I take the blue pill?

Dylan 37:23

The red pill. I always forget which one is which. The blue pill's the one I think the red pill takes them back. I don't remember.

Brad 37:29

Blue pill or red pill. I don't know. Is there something you're looking forward to right now? Something that's getting you out of bed in the morning. No, I'm having show time. Let's talk about this weird uh for die. What? Let's talk about this weird for die learned. That doesn't make sense. A few years ago that probably learned a few years ago that has absolutely added depth. Photos we look back on and smile and memories, the photos could never do justice.

Dylan 37:53

What do you fucking talk? What do you why are you reading an email marketing campaign right now?

Brad 37:56

Is this a real paragraph? I'm not reading shit. And then they talk about Masogi. What's your Masogi? What? A Masogi is a practice of ritual purification by washing the entire body. What? You don't like it?

Dylan 38:07

Just what is your everybody read listen to the episode. You can't read it. Actually, we have transcripts now.

Brad 38:14

Um what cold showers?

Dylan 38:17

You're gonna do cold showers is your masogee this year.

Brad 38:19

No, I thought that's what a Masogi was.

Dylan 38:21

The ritual cleansing?

Brad 38:22

Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes. Um, I kind of like it. You're gonna make me go juice Bruces' right now. I like that. Fucking make it really hard.

Dylan 38:31

Yeah, no points for second place.

Brad 38:32

Make it really hard. Okay. 50-50? No, like what that's not really hard, is it? I thought it was 70-30.

Dylan 38:38

It the what was it? The rules are you has to be something that you could potentially quit or get injured from, but you can't die. Yeah.

Brad 38:45

Okay.

Dylan 38:45

Yeah, don't die. Like what do they like? I so is it successful if you just like you get code you code and then they then they then they slap you with the paddles and then you come back. Does that successful Masogi? I bet that I mean, I feel like that's as success successful as it gets. I feel like that's yeah, maybe the pinnacle.

Brad 39:02

Wow. Yeah.

Dylan 39:03

Okay.

Brad 39:04

Uh because Do we need to invest in EMTs? You may not accomplish rule one, but you'll accomplish rule two. What's rule one? Uh like make it hard. Oh. And you're supposed to complete what you started. Uh rule two is don't die. So at least you get one out of two. It's a 50% completion. I kind of want to do Long's Peak in uh Rocky Mountain National Park. Well, let me know about it. Uh it's I don't know, 14,200 some feet, some technical scrambling, exposed edges. Okay.

Dylan 39:32

Um did it really Masogi? It's hard. All right, but is it like hard, hard, or is it just like today's gonna be a hard day? It's plus I get altitude sickness, so like I may have to do it. So you're really just you're just leaving it leave like you're leaving it up to luck and chance.

Brad 39:46

No.

Dylan 39:47

It sounds like it.

Brad 39:48

I mean I'm gonna be in shape for it.

Dylan 39:50

When are you gonna do this? On vacation. Okay. We've talked about this. How about this? I'm I'm gonna make a little Bruce Wain's. You keep working out, doing everything you're gonna do. I'm gonna keep my normal. Regimen, which is nothing aggressive, and then I'm gonna come in for the day and then we'll do it together. I'll throw 50 pounds on my back. How's that sound? Carry all my water? No. Why not? You carry your own. No deal. Okay. But I do want to do it. Yeah. Okay. That's your Masogee. Are you taking your kids with you? Well, see, not both of them. Yeah. Well, I don't feel like if your kids can do it, I don't feel like it's a Masogee.

Brad 40:23

Uh I I had wanted to entice the older one into doing it, but that that I think would be potential Masogie for some different reasons.

Absurdity, Demon Cats, And Interruptions

Dylan 40:33

How about this? You always love your rucking. You're always like, let's go out and let's ruck. You 24 hours, pick your weight on your back. Two pounds. As many laps as possible, and you're not allowed more than we'll call it four hours of downtime total. Four hours is a lot. Oh, I'm just saying. Instantly regret that statement. I was gonna say you're gonna instantly regret that statement because you're gonna see how fast that four hours goes. Uh that's a long time.

Brad 41:01

Yeah. I think. I I couldn't tell you. It's a long time. I yeah. I've not done anything like it, but it's a good it's a real mental thing. Like you have to get you have to get used to it. We're doing a uh training for soccer this spring, or I guess I I'm hoping they're gonna train for it. I don't know that anyone's actually do it. Help me, help me help you. And it's called the Bronco test, and it's uh 20 and 40, 60 yard sprint. It's exciting. Repeat. So you go twenty out to 20 yards and back, out to 40 yards and back, out to 60 yards and back, and you do it five times. Okay. So it's five times repeat, and it's as fast as you can. Uh elite, I don't want to say elite, but uh a really good time is under four and a half minutes. So, and it's basically a 1200 meter run, I think. Okay. I'm trying to remember exactly what it comes out to somewhere around there. Um, so maybe like three laps on a track, which is pretty good. Pretty good, yeah. I mean, if you're running a six-minute mile, is pretty good looking. Yeah, yeah. But the fact that you have to stop and go and stop and go and the turning, and every time you stop, your body's like, ah, this is good. And then you have to and then you have to go again. And so it bec it also becomes a r a mental test of can you keep pushing forward because you have to explode out of every turn every time to be able to create that. How many times have you been in a monotonous task?

Masogi, Vulnerability, And Real Stakes

Dylan 42:24

Or and I my I think other than this one, exactly. Okay, I think my favorite is when and I refuse to move people anymore. Like, I just fucking I'm like, just tell me how much I owe you for movers, and I'll just send fucking movers. I thought you meant like picking people up. No, like moving houses. Yeah, I'm like, and I've had friends that have like just abused it, like they've moved a dozen times. You're like, you get three tops, like and by the three's a lot, three's a lot. By the time you get to this age, like just buy movers anyway. You get college and you get your first house. Yeah, but we'll be in the middle of moving, and then they'll be like, Oh, pizzas are here, I got some beer, and you're like, No, mm-mm, we're not stopping. I got places to be. Yeah, like we're gonna keep moving. And because the moment the moment you stop to your point, your body just goes, Oh, we're relaxed. And it's that much harder to restart. Don't stop moving 100%. You know what? I'll take that beer to go right now while I'm moving this couch. Just give me a little sippy sip. Just just put just waterfall it. Just put it in my IV. That's actually really smart. Instead of actually have physically having to drink, we just do an IV. The go-ro drink was the only thing close to that that that was that long.

Brad 43:33

And it takes a while for your body to that.

Dylan 43:36

Well, you would do the latritia, Barts, and to be a bunch of crossfitters, right?

Brad 43:40

Yeah, but it takes you several hours before your body's just like, okay, this is we're here now. This is the thing. Yeah. But the first couple hours is just, yeah, I want to stop all the time. Yeah. And so a little bit of that training, at least for these guys, is just like you can you can do hard shit. And if you live, if you start living in that zone more often, it's not a problem. So you're playing a game and you just made a hundred yard sprint and you lost the ball. Now you gotta run a hundred yards back to get it, and then you gotta oh, here's another fast break. Yep, yeah, counter. Okay. This is not gonna be the whole game, but you you you are comfortable enough living in that moment because you know you're eventually gonna get a chance to stop, and you've done it before, and you know you're gonna recover, so it's fine. Versus somebody that doesn't know I can't do this. I'm I'm not gonna be able to do anything after this, so I might as well just not do it.

Dylan 44:25

You start looking way beyond what we're it's that rumination we talk about at the beginning of uh planning for the worst. Yeah, you can't look 24 hours ahead. Oh, you're dead, you're dead in the water.

Brad 44:35

Next evolution. Step. Next step. That's it. That's it. Like, oh, here's the next evolution. Oh, sweet. Got another one. Okay, gotta keep going. Let's go. What are we doing first? Step. Pick up the bag. Got it. Okay. You do have to break it down. Are we done? Yeah, you're done. Okay, cool. Just kidding, you're not done.

Dylan 44:51

Okay, fine. Do you find that as one of like I think one of my detrimental AD ADHD kind of symptoms is your hair. Yeah, my hair is terrible. I don't want to talk about it right now. Um is the ability to problem solve and to see the puzzle steps. And sometimes we go way too far in the puzzle, and you're like, oh no, I know that I have to do this, this, this, this, this, and this versus just blindly starting to go. Because in the moment I start, I'm good. But there are sometimes like that first step is so crippling because you've already looked ahead to the 15, 20 steps. Yeah. And you just kind of get paralyzed by that, which you know, I've always said, like, just pick something. It may not even be the first step, it could be the second or third step, but you can go back. Whatever is going to allow you to get your head in the game fastest, yeah. Just do something. And then all of a sudden you're like, oh, now it's waterfall. Now I can go and I'm doing it. I'm obsessed with it because it's fun. But it is starting sometimes. That's the hardest thing.

Brad 45:49

I used to have to do that when it was like crippling depression. Like, what are you doing today? I'm I'm I went up organizing my underwear drawer. That's that shouldn't even be on your top 100 list today. You're like, I don't know what else to do. I need something. I I have to kick start this engine somehow. And this happens to be right next to my bed.

Dylan 46:10

So that's funny.

Brad 46:11

That's what's gonna happen.

Dylan 46:12

I mean, I mean and I do I make my bed every morning, and the reason I do it is because it's just it small victories turn into large victories very quickly. And the moment you give yourself an out on something as simple as that, you start giving yourself outs on a little bit bigger item, a little bit bigger item. But if you don't give yourself that out, then the next time something a little bit bigger comes, you're like, Well, I didn't give myself an out on the last thing. So I need to I need to own it right now.

Brad 46:34

And on that note, uh we we talked about precision a couple episodes ago. And on yeah, I gotta remember these things. Ah, the tape and the bear, the green tape, cut the tape, don't tear the tape. Yes, the bear episode. And so literally have been doing that on on this latest job site where Let me guess, it's very clean and organized and neatly and labeling. And it's just it's a little bit of that. And you you hear this from different you'll hear it from a football coach that makes you tuck your tails in, like your jerseys gotta be tucked in all the time, you know. It's like tuck it in, tuck it in, tuck it in. And everyone's like, Man, why are you why are you harping on this? We have so many other things that we could be doing. It's like if you if you're not doing the smallest thing you can do, you're not gonna do the fucking biggest thing you can do. And uh I think there's I I think you could have some arguments about it, but here's what I will say are there some great players who have their jerseys untucked? For sure, there are. But and me and Shannon were talking about this because she was listening to another, I think it was a Mill Robbins episode or something. She's talking about taking all of our viewers, she's talking about or the the guy that was on there is talking about habits and building habits and does she have the atomic habits guy on? He's been making a tour again. Maybe uh I don't know if it was him though, but just about you know, winning is a habit, it's not a thing that happens on accident, so blah blah blah, all that kind of shit. But the fact that motivation to do the thing is not always there, so you need to build in these routines and habits because once you're in the habit, you're gonna do it. It's not whether you want to do it or not.

Dylan 48:06

Motivation will never get you across the line. It's this, and this is what Jocko talked about. It's discipline. You have to just be like, This is this is the this is the bare minimum standard, and I need to do it. Yeah.

Brad 48:17

So in that sense, are there some great people that don't do things by the you know the book of do the smallest things the best you can? Yes, for sure there are. But if you're trying to build a team of the best group of people, probably the best way is to have them do all the small things, right? Yep, and you can do this from you know, if you're looking at it from work, hey, you you need to show up on time. You're not showing up 20 minutes late. Come to the meeting having read the agenda. Do do do the basic things that you're supposed to do from a sports team. Be sure that you're good on the fundamental things that you can do on your own. Can you do all of the simplest things? All right, cool. We're we're gonna be okay. We can build from here. Uh, and that I think that translates against a lot of things. So, yeah, from my perspective, it's just uh it feels like I'm neat and orderly and more purposeful, and then that feeling carries over to the bigger tasks. So cut your tape. I think that's the I think that's the metaphor, or that's that's the lesson.

Rucking Ideas And The Bronco Test

Dylan 49:15

Maybe whatever it is, iron your shirt or do your hair or do you know how to iron? Yeah, I know how to iron. But the amount of people I run into they're like, Can you iron this for me? I don't know how to iron. I oh I've met people that just they're like, I'm a steamer person. I'm like, is that because you don't know how to iron? They're like, Well, yeah, I don't know how to iron.

Brad 49:33

I know people that just put their shirts inside, like they put them in the shower and then they just wear them wet. Huh? Really? That's it takes takes the wrinkles out. Yes. Yeah, it makes for a long day, but yeah. Everybody's gonna have workarounds, I guess. No, but if I like that different strokes for different fight I think I can do buttons too. I can sew buttons. I can sew buttons, I can hem pants. Um sometimes even while they're off people. Yeah. Yeah. Scarecrow. Touch and go, I think. Touch and go, what? I don't know. I don't like where that was going. Could be dicey. Blood might be involved. Let's not do white dice. Like a blood pact?

Dylan 50:10

Like Angeline and Julie and Billy Bob Thornton were in a big thing.

Brad 50:13

I get a little loose with the needle sometimes, you know.

Dylan 50:15

I don't like that at all. Okay.

Brad 50:17

Well, you only bleed once, twice. No. What was that James Bond movie? Three times a lady? It's not one, I don't think. But so yeah, that that was a lot of I don't know. That was a lot of where I was at. That's it. I I do want to do the Dakar rally.

Dylan 50:30

Yeah, I know. You don't want to do the Mongol rally and you want to do the Dakar now? Yeah, but where's the Dakar at? Is that in the Dakar? Well, it used to be they've changed the route in the past few years. Where's it at now? I Facebook so aggressively changes your algorithm.

Brad 50:48

It does. I was on Marketplace today. It's going on right now.

Dylan 50:54

It is because I keep getting all of these videos, and they're in Wadi Al-Destawasir. Allow okay, my computer's frozen. Egypt. Sure. Okay, sure. Maybe I think they're in Saudi right now, actually. Because I'm I'm actually, I think they're in Saudi Arabia, actually. Arabian Knights? Because I think the African countries that they used to do were maybe, I think, wasn't it top gear that went down? And they're like, oh shit, that city's actually on fire right now. We can't go. Which it wasn't top care. It wasn't top gear. It was during uh the grand tour, but they tried to do the beaches in, and they're like, Oh, we can't do that. Because it was the beaches, it was it was the last leg of the Dakar, and then and that was one of their dreams, and they were like 30 miles outside the town, they're supposed to end, and the producers were like, mm-mm, we're not going. It's the city's on fire right now.

Brad 51:41

They did the one where they took the original route to Bethlehem, yes, but you have to go across like Syria, I know Iran, yeah, and they're like, once you enter some of these countries, it kind of excludes you from entering into neighboring countries. Yeah, you're kind of done, son. Uh so it it was originally the Paris Dakar rally, so you'd go from Paris to Dakar Senegal. Yep, but now it takes place in Saudi Arabia. Yes. So it's and there there's different uh groupings similar to the Baja.

Dylan 52:15

The routes are different too, because some days are time trials, some days are just like an all-out race, some days are yeah. But I I don't know what I what would you pick? What for the Dakar? Yeah, what would I do? Like which one? Uh what classification? Yeah, I don't know all of them. I'm not well versed enough. I like the giant trucks, like oh, like the fire truck almost big. Yeah, I know what you're talking about. The big cab over. Yeah, I think Griffin and I will do the Bronco someday. Yeah? Just take some American muscle over there. No, you won't. Yes, we will. No, you won't. Don't tell me I won't because you know I'm gonna do it now. Griffin, you'll never do it. Griffin won't. I will. Okay. Fuck it. It won't be his Bronco then. That's my Masogi this year.

Brad 52:54

Not this year. If you're building a plane, god damn it, you got two years before you gotta fly this thing, or you're staying in jail. Which jail?

Dylan 53:00

What hello with you right here? Yeah, that's probably true. You gotta keep doing that. Fuck. Get me out of here, mom. So you wanna go to jail or you want to go home? I wanna I wanna go home.

Brad 53:12

Well, that's what it is. All right, well, fuck. I don't really have anything else for this episode. No, I just want a big block engine and a supercharger and a long travel suspension.

Dylan 53:21

That that's literally the Bronco. Yeah, it's not done. Done. No, fuck it. I'm out of here. Bye.

Ferris 53:28

You still here. It's over.