Growing up in Iran, Identifying as Persian, and Phd Comedian w/ Kourosh Mohebian | Ep 53

I talk with Kourosh Mohebian about life in Iran, going to school there, and how he was able to move to Germany. We also talk about about Berlin comedy, dating women from different cultures, and Berlin.

He also explains the debate between being Iranian, Middle Eastern or Persian

Timestamps

00:01:02 - Transition from a PhD in Genetics to Comedy

00:02:00 - First Experiences with Stand-Up Comedy in Berlin

00:03:08 - Performing Comedy on Clubhouse During COVID

00:04:50 - Challenges of Performing Stand-Up on Zoom

00:08:00 - Cultural Restrictions and Media Censorship in Iran

00:11:12 - Religious Education and Sin in Iranian Schools

00:13:15 - Arranged Marriages and Dating in Iran

00:20:32 - Smuggling Western Media into Iranian Schools

00:31:10 - University Entrance Exams and Academic Pressure in Iran

00:32:30 - Cultural Perceptions of Success and Career Choices

00:35:10 - Differences in Educational Systems between Iran and the West

00:40:15 - Impact of Economic Sanctions on Iranian Society

00:45:22 - Western vs. Iranian Concepts of Freedom

01:02:00 - Differences between Iranian, Persian, and Middle Eastern Cultures

01:05:30 - Experience of Immigration and Adapting to New Cultures

Kourosh Mohebian is a Persian Stand Up comedian in Berlin. He comes all the way from the land of Persian cats, magic carpets and nuclear deals on the news. He likes to talk about his experiences in first world countries, how he's not the typical middle eastern you expect, and why we should listen to him (hint: He thinks he's right all the time!). He has been called smart, he has been called funny, but all he really cares about is the attention that he gets from the crowd and not from his parents.

Kourosh Socials: Instagram

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Transcript

00;00;00;00 - 00;00;11;17
Speaker 1
We had satellite TV, which was a like forbidden thing as well in Iran. And so like they every, every once in a while they come and throw all this satellite TV off of their balconies and stuff.

00;00;11;17 - 00;00;13;13
Speaker 2
So they actually go on the balcony.

00;00;13;14 - 00;00;21;22
Speaker 1
Yeah, they call them like fucking Spiderman and shit and just fucking, just throw everything up. Yeah, because it's illegal. Because you're you're you're watching American shit or whatever.

00;00;21;29 - 00;00;36;23
Speaker 2
Welcome to the Third Call to Talk podcast. I'm your host now. In this podcast, we talk of people that are raised in a culture different than their parents, home culture or way of life or nationality, and now they're living in today's culture is vastly different than it is of our.

00;00;36;23 - 00;00;39;09
Speaker 3
Parents, or even back in the day.

00;00;39;11 - 00;00;43;12
Speaker 2
So let's get in. Today's episode. What's going on? How are you doing?

00;00;43;14 - 00;00;49;27
Speaker 1
I'm good. Thank you very much for having me. Very excited to be here in this fucking rainy day. So it's nice to be inside.

00;00;51;25 - 00;00;56;29
Speaker 2
It's nice. So, Yeah. So for anyone who doesn't know you're a comedian, that's, based out of here in Berlin.

00;00;57;02 - 00;00;57;13
Speaker 3
Yeah.

00;00;57;25 - 00;01;02;15
Speaker 2
also, you're a PhD. you're a PhD scientist.

00;01;02;17 - 00;01;17;09
Speaker 1
Yeah. So I studied biology, and then I did a PhD in genetics. So that was my. That was the reason I came to Germany, basically to study and shit and, have a career. And then I moved to Berlin, and I was like, fuck comedy.

00;01;17;11 - 00;01;19;29
Speaker 3
Yeah. So comedy.

00;01;20;01 - 00;01;21;23
Speaker 2
I had a comedy get you.

00;01;21;25 - 00;01;40;12
Speaker 1
Well, the thing is, like, I was always a fan, like I was watching Netflix, shit and stuff. And then I came to the city to do my PhD, and like, I was looking for shit to do because I didn't know anyone or anything. So I was trying to find stuff to do and on the like on Facebook, I saw like, oh, free English, just stand up comedy.

00;01;40;12 - 00;01;54;12
Speaker 1
You know how it is, right? Just like donation based shows. And, went to the first show and was great because, it was actually tyrant. I was the like, tyrant. And Daniel, like it was back in the day. It was like they were doing it. And I was like, wow, this is great.

00;01;54;14 - 00;01;54;28
Speaker 2
Oh, shit.

00;01;55;00 - 00;01;58;04
Speaker 1
The crowd worked with me. I was like, wow. My mind was blown.

00;01;58;05 - 00;02;00;09
Speaker 2
Oh, so you went to this? Did you see the show? You want.

00;02;00;11 - 00;02;00;12
Speaker 3
To.

00;02;00;16 - 00;02;01;07
Speaker 1
See the show?

00;02;01;07 - 00;02;02;04
Speaker 3
Yeah, I got.

00;02;02;04 - 00;02;18;18
Speaker 1
Into it and I went to two more shows. And at the third show it was a real open mic. And then like they said, oh, if anyone wants to try, you can try it next time and stuff. And I was like, damn it, some of this guy's like, I can probably be the same level, if not better.

00;02;18;18 - 00;02;19;11
Speaker 3
Like.

00;02;19;13 - 00;02;24;14
Speaker 1
So let's give it a shot. and that's how it started, basically.

00;02;24;20 - 00;02;26;19
Speaker 2
Wow. All right. And how long you've been in Berlin?

00;02;26;21 - 00;02;32;27
Speaker 1
I've been in Berlin for five, six years, and I've been doing comedy the same amount, more or less like five years, I guess. Yeah, halfway.

00;02;33;02 - 00;02;34;25
Speaker 2
So you started as soon as you got here?

00;02;34;29 - 00;02;35;14
Speaker 3
Yeah.

00;02;35;14 - 00;02;52;10
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah, it was like a few months after I came, like six months after I came to Berlin. I did comedy and then, but also obviously we hit Covid. So there was a time that it was on pause, but we had shows here happening more than you guys in the US, I would assume.

00;02;52;12 - 00;02;57;04
Speaker 2
Yeah. No, that's definitely something I noticed immediately. I was like, oh, you guys are. Yeah, yeah, yeah, a lot of shows.

00;02;57;04 - 00;03;08;02
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah. There were like park shows outside shows, everything. So and and then we started doing this shit on clubhouse. I don't know if you remember that app or if you heard of it.

00;03;08;03 - 00;03;10;12
Speaker 2
You or your day comedy on clubhouse.

00;03;10;15 - 00;03;33;08
Speaker 1
Yeah. So we were so this spread during Covid that it was crazy, man. Like all of us like imagine comedians, a bunch of fucking narcissistic, egoistic bastards. They want to be seen and heard and like, now you're trapped at home, you can't do shit. You can't practice. And like. So this app came out suddenly clubhouse, and everyone was on it just talking like.

00;03;33;08 - 00;03;56;04
Speaker 1
Yeah, like a live podcast or whatever. It was like, if zoom call without the video, basically, and then people could enter your room and shit. And then suddenly comedians started doing shows there. So we had like every, for example, Tuesday at 830, you would log in, you would get in the room. There were like ten, 20 people randomly also listening because it was the thing there.

00;03;56;04 - 00;04;14;01
Speaker 1
So everyone was on clubhouse, everyone was just jumping in rooms. Wow. And then we were just doing fucking open like horrible material that is not tested on people because we are in Covid, on this fucking app. But that was the only thing that kept us going like that was crazy because, like, we couldn't do anything right.

00;04;14;01 - 00;04;15;19
Speaker 2
And what a waste of bandwidth.

00;04;15;21 - 00;04;17;13
Speaker 3
Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.

00;04;17;15 - 00;04;32;20
Speaker 2
No wonder why clubhouse closed down. No joking of the open mic is always going to be horrible to some extent with comedy mean you never like a beautiful thing is is beautiful in a weird angle if you still look at it. But if you look at it straight ahead, you're like, damn it, what? What is going.

00;04;32;20 - 00;04;50;16
Speaker 1
On? The thing is like, for me it was funny because, like, I felt like it was just like bunch of fucking crazy people sitting in there on their verge at home, just trying to be heard by like, some random motherfuckers on this. because that's that was the only thing we could get, like, attention from the crowd, basically.

00;04;50;19 - 00;05;10;12
Speaker 1
But it was horrible, obviously was horrible. but I saw that they were doing it like in the US as well. And big comedians were doing big rooms, actually, like fucking 10,000 people in a room and clubhouse. Yeah. And like with like a few famous comedians being on the platform and shit. It was crazy. Yeah. So at some point it really peaked.

00;05;10;26 - 00;05;14;00
Speaker 1
but like, obviously nothing really came out of it. Well, yeah.

00;05;14;00 - 00;05;16;07
Speaker 2
I mean, some people got paid off of doing zoom.

00;05;17;07 - 00;05;17;25
Speaker 1
was horrible.

00;05;18;00 - 00;05;18;28
Speaker 3
Yeah, I could.

00;05;18;29 - 00;05;27;17
Speaker 2
Bring myself to it, but some people was game pay. Like actually pay more than what they're getting paid doing live comedy while I hurt. Yeah.

00;05;27;17 - 00;05;32;15
Speaker 1
But like, zoom is just horrible. I don't want to get into it, but like, I did want.

00;05;32;17 - 00;05;33;09
Speaker 2
The drama, just.

00;05;33;09 - 00;05;45;13
Speaker 1
Like they commented. So the the best reaction you would get, would somebody just make a comment or like write something in the chat like, oh, great joke and stuff like, that's that's great. I want to kill.

00;05;45;13 - 00;05;47;26
Speaker 3
Myself right now. It's just like it must have been.

00;05;47;26 - 00;05;55;00
Speaker 2
Because I would imagine being here in Germany and then doing stand up comedy through zoom already with the whole.

00;05;56;13 - 00;05;57;02
Speaker 3
laughing and shit.

00;05;57;05 - 00;06;01;10
Speaker 2
I won't say lack of lack of expression, let me just say not freely expressing themselves.

00;06;01;17 - 00;06;02;27
Speaker 3
Yes, yes, in certain ways.

00;06;02;27 - 00;06;09;17
Speaker 2
And then now you have to communicate through zoom. That must have been. I mean, would you get like, happy? Did you even get, like, emojis on.

00;06;09;17 - 00;06;18;28
Speaker 1
No, no, no emojis. Do it. Like as half of the crowd had their screens off. So you didn't even. No no no no it's fine, it's fine. I'm just I'm just regal. Even I did somebody.

00;06;19;03 - 00;06;19;21
Speaker 2
You ugly person.

00;06;19;21 - 00;06;26;04
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah. But if I'm not like, if it's not my couch, I just keep moving until I find a spot and then I.

00;06;26;04 - 00;06;27;21
Speaker 3
Fix it, but, like, it's going.

00;06;27;21 - 00;06;30;19
Speaker 1
To take maybe. Maybe I don't find it until the end and I keep moving, but.

00;06;30;19 - 00;06;32;03
Speaker 2
Like, maybe it'll be, like, a secret.

00;06;32;03 - 00;06;34;12
Speaker 3
Yes. Right.

00;06;35;10 - 00;06;38;11
Speaker 1
but. Yeah. So what was I saying? Sorry. Yeah.

00;06;38;11 - 00;06;43;02
Speaker 2
You're saying that, you know, that Germany's, zoom.

00;06;43;07 - 00;06;43;28
Speaker 3
Oh, yeah. Yeah.

00;06;43;28 - 00;07;00;04
Speaker 1
So everything was off, like, the cameras were off as well, so you wouldn't see people's face, and everyone is mute, so you can't hear them laugh as well, even if they laugh like it's. So. The whole thing was weird. So everyone, I think, has their own zoom story. but like, everyone did it once or twice and they were like, nah, this is us.

00;07;00;10 - 00;07;09;14
Speaker 1
Yeah. So after that, everything open came back to comedy. And I would say, like, since then I haven't really had a pause in comedy.

00;07;09;17 - 00;07;16;23
Speaker 2
Nice, man. So. So then. Yeah. So you've been in Berlin. and then before Berlin, you originally were born and raised in Iran?

00;07;16;24 - 00;07;17;10
Speaker 3
Yes.

00;07;17;29 - 00;07;21;01
Speaker 2
and, how was that growing up over there? Like, you know.

00;07;21;08 - 00;07;25;20
Speaker 3
It was, so, Oh, man.

00;07;25;20 - 00;07;46;08
Speaker 1
Like, I cannot hate it more than anything in my life. It's just like the the only problem is that, you don't know what's happening or what's the situation when you're growing up in this kind of countries. You see some shit on the internet, you see some American stuff, you're like, oh, they have it better. Oh, I don't know.

00;07;46;08 - 00;07;58;11
Speaker 1
Chicks, stuff. I don't know whatever. We don't have anything there, right? No bars, no parties or anything. So you see some stuff on the movies and things, you're like, okay, so it's different, countries, blah, blah, blah, but you don't know.

00;07;58;11 - 00;08;00;27
Speaker 3
How low.

00;08;01;00 - 00;08;21;10
Speaker 1
Your fucking level of life is until you move to a Western country and you're, you realize you're like, fuck, I didn't have the most basic, like, human rights shit. It's just like, it's crazy. Like it's so it's so crazy. So I cannot imagine myself going back and living in that kind of society or environment at all.

00;08;21;12 - 00;08;21;24
Speaker 3
Right.

00;08;21;24 - 00;08;38;14
Speaker 1
So that's one of the reasons I never went back as well, because like, I was like, if I go there, some random fucking, orthodox, I don't know, Islam person is going to say some shit to me about my earring, my tattoos or something, and I'm going to lose myself and, lose yourself.

00;08;38;16 - 00;08;39;21
Speaker 3
Would you feel.

00;08;40;01 - 00;08;41;16
Speaker 2
that's not a good word for something?

00;08;41;22 - 00;08;45;03
Speaker 3
I'm going to lose my soul. Okay.

00;08;45;16 - 00;08;50;17
Speaker 2
I won't ask any more questions about that. He's going to lose himself in the, Yeah. Yes. Confronted. Okay.

00;08;50;17 - 00;09;12;01
Speaker 1
But yeah. So it's just like life is very different. There you have. yeah. Basically the only thing that you the only connection you have to the outside world is the media that you get, not from your own media, but the one that you get on the internet. And obviously. So when I was growing up, internet was just starting to be a thing.

00;09;12;01 - 00;09;31;01
Speaker 1
Like I remember when I was 10 or 11, we had that dial up shit with the fucking Skrillex thing that is. And then it would connect, right? So we had that when I was ten, 11, and then we had high speed internet. I think I was almost like 18 or 19. Then we had like the Wi-Fi shit.

00;09;31;04 - 00;09;52;24
Speaker 1
So imagine from Iran with that fucking DSL shit or whatever you're trying to watch, like some fucking porn or whatever. It was crazy, man. Right. And that was your only access to the outside world. Like, you could watch a two minute YouTube video in an hour because of the buffering. Right?

00;09;52;26 - 00;09;54;22
Speaker 3
Wow. It was crazy.

00;09;54;22 - 00;10;13;09
Speaker 1
Yeah, it was, but you would still do it because you had nothing else to do. There was nothing else to do. Right? So everyone was just like when the internet came. Everyone was just at home because outside there is no like mix activity. But there then there was like fucking Yahoo messenger or some shit. Back in the day, you were chatting to like girls and stuff.

00;10;13;09 - 00;10;37;19
Speaker 1
Yeah, like not everyone started like being a little open, but it was crazy. So during the time I grew up, it was like at time that it was changing. Like, so you would get more technology, you would get more access to like higher society, let's say. and but still the, the thoughts and the way they taught, shit to us at school was very like pre-internet shit.

00;10;37;19 - 00;10;50;24
Speaker 1
So because they teach you a lot of religion stuff, they tell you a lot of bullshit, that is not true. Right? So there was a duality for a lot of us getting this information from outside that no, whatever they have told you is bullshit.

00;10;51;21 - 00;11;07;10
Speaker 1
And also, this thing has been told to you at school from the beginning, so it's kind of fucking written in your brain. So there were some people that like they tried to do some sins, let's say, but they didn't know if it it was crazy, man. I don't know how to say it.

00;11;09;06 - 00;11;12;25
Speaker 2
I'm curious like, so when you say scenes, what do you mean, like scenes? So.

00;11;12;27 - 00;11;19;09
Speaker 1
So so for example, they tell us at school, for example, masturbation is a scene, I don't know, looking at girls is a scene in.

00;11;19;09 - 00;11;19;20
Speaker 2
Okay.

00;11;19;26 - 00;11;23;28
Speaker 1
Like a, like a fucking. Yeah. Whatever. A crime in religion.

00;11;24;01 - 00;11;26;06
Speaker 3
And religion that's actually good.

00;11;26;08 - 00;11;45;15
Speaker 1
And so they tell us that fucking seriously. Right. So it's the shit, it's like, this is it. You shouldn't do this. And that's right. And it's a all boys school. So it's just like a guy comes and tells you this kind of shit, right? so it's very serious, right? And then you grow up and then you see these other things and your body starts fucking.

00;11;45;17 - 00;11;48;02
Speaker 1
It's like, bro, I need to.

00;11;48;05 - 00;11;53;00
Speaker 3
You gotta do something. Yeah, bro, I'm dying here, I need it, I need you.

00;11;53;04 - 00;12;10;08
Speaker 1
I care what your teacher said, but you gotta do something. And then like, so you would start doing something or like you would watch, movies that they are like, oh, you should even watch Western movies because you see these women with their hair out or like, tits out, and that could fucking stimulate you. It was crazy, man.

00;12;10;08 - 00;12;12;08
Speaker 1
Like fucking crazy, right?

00;12;12;10 - 00;12;17;24
Speaker 2
Hold on. I mean, so at school, right. Like, was it that it was a class just specifically on time? Yeah.

00;12;17;27 - 00;12;19;10
Speaker 1
Yes, it was a class.

00;12;19;10 - 00;12;22;03
Speaker 2
What was the name of the class or the sin class? No no.

00;12;22;03 - 00;12;23;03
Speaker 3
No no no, I hate the.

00;12;23;03 - 00;12;42;05
Speaker 1
I don't know how would we be translated directly, but it was it, it would be like it, it would be called training class, basically. Or to grow up class like it was a it was a class that people tell you that your parents wouldn't tell you. So it wasn't really a six at situation. It was just like, nothing.

00;12;42;05 - 00;12;47;17
Speaker 1
Don't do six at all. And then all these other things that you think it's interesting, they are all a sin.

00;12;47;17 - 00;12;51;02
Speaker 3
So damn. Yeah, yeah. Sexual education. So you guys.

00;12;51;05 - 00;12;57;09
Speaker 2
But respect I'm assuming in those societies to the respect to, for you to eventually have a family and everything, that's.

00;12;57;09 - 00;13;15;24
Speaker 1
The shit like in the it still in a lot of parts in Iran, in the smaller cities or in the villages there are still doing like marriages that the boy and the girl have never really met, or they have seen each other from like some fucking family gatherings in some wedding, like, so that's how people just like, get married again.

00;13;15;24 - 00;13;35;23
Speaker 1
And then you'd meet a girl for the first time, like here. Like we we have a talk for an hour, and you're like, okay, like, I mean, I've never talked to a girl before, so my parents did something. I'm talking to this girl. I'm probably going to bang Kerry if I marry her. So let's do it. So that's that's the reason a lot of people fucking get married as well.

00;13;35;24 - 00;13;36;13
Speaker 3
Right?

00;13;36;13 - 00;13;47;28
Speaker 1
So. And yeah. So there is no meeting other girls before for a lot of these small villages and stuff, and they just meet someone that their parents arranged for them. And that's crazy, right? Yeah.

00;13;47;28 - 00;13;56;04
Speaker 2
That is what, you know, was crazy. Imagine you never busted a nut until after you get married and you get post nut clarity after marriage.

00;13;56;04 - 00;13;57;07
Speaker 1
You're like, what the fuck?

00;13;57;07 - 00;14;06;15
Speaker 3
I did like, you know, I think I'm gay. Like, I didn't even like this shit. Like, I just, I just want to get a nut, and I. I thought you could get it. Yeah. Now I don't like you.

00;14;06;16 - 00;14;07;12
Speaker 2
What am I going to do?

00;14;07;13 - 00;14;26;00
Speaker 1
Yeah, because, like, I had serious. And so I was in a school that was like, for my high school, it was like the second best high school, of like the whole city. And it was very tough to get in. But it had a vibe. It had a vibe because it was run by the by this society that controls the holy shrine in my city.

00;14;26;07 - 00;14;54;06
Speaker 1
So they had all this money so they could have all this great shit. Like, dude, we had two football pitches in our school, two basketball, pitches, one volleyball. It was fucking huge. Right? And all this money coming from all this fucking bullshit that they collect. So we had good teachers and shit, but they would enforce a lot of Islamic, or religion, torts into the whole environment of the school.

00;14;54;11 - 00;15;07;23
Speaker 1
They would teach you more. We had the specific courses extra to tell you more about this shit and stuff. Wow. Right. So you had to take that bullshit to have the good teachers to fucking succeed or whatever.

00;15;07;26 - 00;15;11;22
Speaker 2
Damn. So you could even, like, there's no they they always going to include it.

00;15;11;22 - 00;15;12;27
Speaker 3
And I yeah.

00;15;12;29 - 00;15;14;19
Speaker 1
They kind of just like.

00;15;15;07 - 00;15;16;08
Speaker 3
Yeah.

00;15;16;11 - 00;15;26;05
Speaker 2
Wow. That is so, so then you have so you have these classes specifically about like, you know, religion and what not to do and stuff, but then also teach you about math and you know.

00;15;26;07 - 00;15;28;01
Speaker 1
Yeah, there's other thing. Yeah, yeah.

00;15;28;04 - 00;15;30;18
Speaker 3
Yeah. No, it's not just religion. Yeah. Yeah. Well I mean how much.

00;15;30;18 - 00;15;32;15
Speaker 2
Would you say was a percentage.

00;15;32;26 - 00;15;44;28
Speaker 1
what's it. Once a week. But it fucks you up. It's once a week, one hour. But that one hour, it's so fucking random and crazy. Between the math and biology, suddenly this random guy with beard shows.

00;15;45;00 - 00;15;47;28
Speaker 2
All would the be. Oh, so you had, like, a traditional, like, take?

00;15;47;28 - 00;15;57;19
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah. And they usually try to like, pick them young. So they connect with the kids and stuff. And these motherfuckers are crazy good and trained. Let me take a sip.

00;15;57;24 - 00;15;58;11
Speaker 3
Yeah, yeah.

00;15;58;11 - 00;16;02;17
Speaker 2
Wow. So young. Like, dude. Very charismatic.

00;16;02;18 - 00;16;19;20
Speaker 1
Yeah. Very charismatic. and like, I remember back then, it was like Bluetooth and shit, like, was the thing on the phone. So he would send us, like, funny videos, so he would connect with some kids as well, you know, it was crazy, right? So that's how they get the kids in and they're like, oh, this guy's cool.

00;16;19;20 - 00;16;43;04
Speaker 1
This. So let's listen to what he says. And I had like a few of my friends that really converted or got brainwashed with this shit because, like, honestly, the guy was a nice guy. He like, I don't know if he fucked anyone or not behind behind the curtains, but like, he was a nice dude. So people would like, that's that's how you create like, a cult, basically.

00;16;43;04 - 00;16;44;08
Speaker 2
So, Yeah.

00;16;45;01 - 00;17;04;08
Speaker 1
and then. Yeah, then I would, for example, bring porn to this school and these kids would be like, oh my God, what are you doing? This is forbidden shit like that. And like, I know guys that have never masturbated. Back to the thing that the guy just nuts. At the night of the wedding, I knew dudes, seriously, they were like, no, I don't.

00;17;04;08 - 00;17;14;15
Speaker 1
And I'm like, so what do you do? Because it's fucking your 1516. Your balls are exploding, right? And they were like, no, we just get it in sleep. I was like, that's lame.

00;17;14;15 - 00;17;15;28
Speaker 2
Get in, let me get in and sleep.

00;17;15;28 - 00;17;20;23
Speaker 1
Like just getting fucking, like wet dreams and just fucking,

00;17;20;25 - 00;17;25;27
Speaker 2
That's what they said. They said out loud that that's how they bussin up by going to sleep and dream about sex.

00;17;25;28 - 00;17;27;04
Speaker 3
Yes.

00;17;27;06 - 00;17;36;28
Speaker 1
Because that's not a sin. Because that happens in your sleep. So you didn't ejaculate yourself. Your body did it? You see what I'm saying? The level of.

00;17;36;28 - 00;17;42;00
Speaker 3
Yeah, but I mean, you don't even have you sleep, so you don't even enjoy it, you know, even. Well, you're.

00;17;42;00 - 00;17;50;00
Speaker 1
Having a wet dream. So you come in your dream, but you are like a teenager, so your balls need to empty the fucking sperm. So you come.

00;17;50;00 - 00;17;50;06
Speaker 3
Yeah.

00;17;50;06 - 00;17;56;13
Speaker 2
Like all you. What you're saying is like. Yes. Biologically correct. I'm saying, like, from a spiritual and a fucking emotional level.

00;17;56;13 - 00;17;58;27
Speaker 3
It's fucked up. Yeah. You sleep like you wake.

00;17;58;27 - 00;18;01;01
Speaker 2
Up finding yourself like, oh, I enjoyed myself.

00;18;01;01 - 00;18;05;26
Speaker 3
Then I like, oh, I feel better. Yeah. You know, I've been awake too. Yeah, yeah.

00;18;06;04 - 00;18;33;04
Speaker 1
So that's the level. That's the level I was dealing with. And a lot of other people who are not like that are dealing with it because like, there's also like the other side that there's like, for example, the type of family that I grew up with or like a lot of other people that people who are not going to call it more educated, but like, they have been around or they have some families abroad or like, they have some like, I don't know, not governmental job.

00;18;33;04 - 00;18;47;05
Speaker 1
They are like, I don't know, university teachers or some shit like that. Sophisticated people. So you see like the kids that like I had friends, they were from that part and we were laughing at all this shit. We were just jacking it off and we were like, you guys are stupid because you're losing.

00;18;47;05 - 00;18;49;19
Speaker 3
Like you're losing to this.

00;18;50;02 - 00;19;07;02
Speaker 1
in your sleep. Like you have no idea what you're missing, right? But, like, the thing is, like, we had our own universe, and they have their own universe. They think that, I'm gonna go fucking burn in hell when I die. But they are not, because they didn't. Not.

00;19;07;04 - 00;19;10;21
Speaker 3
That's. Bro, that is so wild. I mean.

00;19;10;23 - 00;19;12;21
Speaker 2
Did you lose friends, like, as a.

00;19;12;21 - 00;19;13;07
Speaker 3
Result of that?

00;19;13;09 - 00;19;28;09
Speaker 1
No. You choose friends. That's the funny thing. You don't lose, you don't necessarily lose. You just like if you see some people are getting, like, mis tracked, you just kind of keep seeing them less and less and less until it just falls off. But basically.

00;19;28;12 - 00;19;29;22
Speaker 3
You, you, you.

00;19;29;22 - 00;19;48;12
Speaker 1
Realize who's who in the first few days of school, you're like, which kids are fucking like doing this to each other's cocks? And these kids are just like, sitting around doing nothing. You see people who are like, expressing, their fucking, like, craziness and who are like, just being like, normal or whatever.

00;19;48;12 - 00;20;03;09
Speaker 2
So, so how okay, so you're saying that you didn't really get into that universe or, you know, fall into, not fall, but like, get into, like the more religious aspect of things because you, I guess your parents or maybe your family was more.

00;20;03;10 - 00;20;03;25
Speaker 3
Yeah.

00;20;03;25 - 00;20;04;10
Speaker 2
You know.

00;20;04;16 - 00;20;16;05
Speaker 1
Well, we had satellite TV, which was a like, forbidden thing as well in Iran. so like, they every, every once in a while, they come on, fucking throw all the satellite TV off of their balconies and stuff.

00;20;16;05 - 00;20;18;02
Speaker 2
So they actually go on the balcony.

00;20;18;02 - 00;20;26;08
Speaker 1
Yeah, they call them like fucking Spiderman and shit and just fucking just throw everything off. Yeah, because it's illegal. Because you're you're you're watching American shit or whatever.

00;20;26;09 - 00;20;39;29
Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah. I'm just saying, like, you know, I guess when you think about it, like, so I guess practical is on, like, all it's there is, it's illegal. So we're going to take it down. Yeah, exactly. Process just one person like, Nah, I just going to take it down right now.

00;20;39;29 - 00;20;52;02
Speaker 1
I mean it's, it's going to cost, cost them more if they want to come door to door and bust yourself because everyone is doing because TV in Iran is shit like the, the TV that they, they produce is ass. You don't want to watch that. So everyone is.

00;20;52;02 - 00;20;52;18
Speaker 3
Watching.

00;20;52;20 - 00;21;10;03
Speaker 1
It like we have like 5 or 6 channels and it's like we have everything right? But it's just like it's everything is produced by the government more or less like or influenced per the government. So you can't have like very edgy, like the, the edgiest shit gets canceled after a few, for example, episodes. Right? Wow.

00;21;10;03 - 00;21;12;14
Speaker 2
And do they do reruns or they don't do reruns?

00;21;12;16 - 00;21;14;23
Speaker 1
What's the rerun? No, they just replace you.

00;21;14;23 - 00;21;21;18
Speaker 3
With something else. Oh, damn. So there's no reruns and no syndication? No, I run no, no.

00;21;21;18 - 00;21;40;20
Speaker 1
No, you make a mistake, you're out. and, so that that's that sucks. Even the TV for the kids sucks. It's like. It's weird. Like, so you're like, okay, everyone has satellite TV, but it's forbidden, so you don't tell anyone that school that you're watching shit on satellite TV. You just tell it to a few cool friends that you know.

00;21;40;20 - 00;21;56;20
Speaker 1
They have it as well. Yeah, because they slip the information accidentally that they were watching SpongeBob because nobody knew what was the SpongeBob when we were watching SpongeBob like? It was crazy shit, right? So it was a it was a thing. And like, they were like telling us that, like, everyone's parents would tell them that. Don't tell anyone.

00;21;56;23 - 00;22;12;06
Speaker 1
We are watching satellite. If you have started, don't tell anyone. And at school they would also try to ask you like the teachers and stuff to get the information. Like so you know this cartoon that and you know it's obviously not in our fucking TV and they start talking about it to see who knows it and be like.

00;22;12;09 - 00;22;13;00
Speaker 3
Damn bro.

00;22;13;01 - 00;22;36;10
Speaker 1
Yeah, it was some, some fucking crazy shit. So that was the thing. And the people who had the satellite TV would know that all this thing is bullshit, because, like, I was seeing bikinis and stuff, when I was like ten, and I knew people that have never seen anyone were in a bikini on a picture or any platform.

00;22;36;10 - 00;22;36;26
Speaker 1
Anything.

00;22;36;26 - 00;22;40;16
Speaker 3
Yeah, that is wild, bro. I mean, I would.

00;22;40;16 - 00;22;52;13
Speaker 2
Imagine going to just school alone made you made people very paranoid. You probably became a very paranoid person because you can't even express or talk about what you just saw on TV. You probably saw, like the newest episode.

00;22;52;13 - 00;22;52;21
Speaker 3
Yeah.

00;22;52;21 - 00;22;55;00
Speaker 1
You can't trust motherfuckers. Yeah.

00;22;55;02 - 00;22;57;05
Speaker 3
Fuck. You made friends.

00;22;57;05 - 00;23;17;09
Speaker 1
So that's the thing. So we had like a few. Everyone had like we had gang. So it was like five, five, five, six. Like people that we all knew each other. Sometimes our parents were kind of in contact or whatever. And we were all like, having the same shit. So we had the secret was in the group, so we were talking about it, but nobody else would know.

00;23;17;09 - 00;23;25;22
Speaker 1
So we would just like, discuss it in our own time so we wouldn't go publicly about it. It would just be like around the corner. I'd be like, hey, did you see that cartoon or whatever?

00;23;25;22 - 00;23;30;25
Speaker 2
So small talk was probably not a thing in Iran. Like no small talking, no nothing. It's just like, hey, I don't know you.

00;23;30;25 - 00;23;32;25
Speaker 3
Hey. Hi. This depends.

00;23;32;25 - 00;23;40;27
Speaker 1
It's just like, the school that I was in it. This was the situation. Unfortunately, because of the.

00;23;41;07 - 00;23;42;17
Speaker 3
the effect of the whole.

00;23;42;17 - 00;23;45;13
Speaker 1
Fucking, organization that was running it,

00;23;45;15 - 00;23;47;22
Speaker 2
It was the organization. So it was more like.

00;23;47;22 - 00;23;48;27
Speaker 3
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, okay.

00;23;48;28 - 00;24;05;24
Speaker 1
But in general, in general, I can say like down this like ten folds and is forever on the same experience, more or less. we couldn't take fucking kids to school or they would take a CD and break it in front of you. It they wouldn't even check what's inside it. That's forbidden.

00;24;05;27 - 00;24;08;21
Speaker 2
So you just had to just walk in silence.

00;24;08;24 - 00;24;32;06
Speaker 1
Do it. You know, we would take CDs and we would like fucking it. We learned to smuggle shit and just go around things as kids because everything is forbidden. So you learn everything you have to like. So we would take kids to school and what we did was like, the latest invention that we came up with is that we would put a CD in between a book that we didn't even have the course that day.

00;24;32;09 - 00;24;48;13
Speaker 1
We took the book with ourself. And the other friend is like, hey, did you bring your geography book for me? I want the right shit to see this in the middle. We give them the book with the kid in the middle. He goes home or he puts the book in the in the in the backpack, opens it up, city falls down, then gives you the book back.

00;24;48;15 - 00;24;57;24
Speaker 1
That was the invention of wow. So and like just to fucking have a wrap song Eminem album to just give it to another friend. That's the.

00;24;57;24 - 00;24;58;29
Speaker 3
Level that.

00;24;58;29 - 00;25;06;15
Speaker 2
Bro. That is crazy. I mean, the level of just oversight or the level of just watching and what you're doing and.

00;25;06;15 - 00;25;07;17
Speaker 3
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

00;25;07;19 - 00;25;10;02
Speaker 2
Question is to find out about you. That's a lot.

00;25;10;03 - 00;25;22;08
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah. So everyone starts being sneaky and, learns to cheat. Very good. So everyone also cheats is, for example, exams and stuff. And that's that's very fun. I, I've done it a lot.

00;25;22;10 - 00;25;23;25
Speaker 2
I had a good time cheating.

00;25;23;25 - 00;25;25;27
Speaker 3
Yeah, yeah, I, I, I.

00;25;25;29 - 00;25;28;15
Speaker 2
I suggest everyone should do it.

00;25;28;17 - 00;25;29;24
Speaker 3
Yeah. Especially at school.

00;25;29;24 - 00;25;51;05
Speaker 1
Who gives a fuck? Like if you want to, like, study like, archeology. Like they had like some courses because, it's in Iran. It's like you either study math, biology or like human sciences, but human science is basically like fucking literature and other shit. And like because of these three different fields, you have different courses in high school very specifically.

00;25;51;07 - 00;25;59;29
Speaker 1
And like some courses are bullshit. So you're not going to be studying for that. So everyone was cheating. We were like, we had very different methods as well for cheating.

00;26;00;03 - 00;26;01;16
Speaker 2
Oh, really? What was your favorite method?

00;26;01;18 - 00;26;16;05
Speaker 1
My favorite method was the the bathroom method that I came up with was that like, so I would so every course had a book and every question would just come from the book. There was no way that was something outside of the book.

00;26;16;17 - 00;26;16;27
Speaker 3
okay.

00;26;17;17 - 00;26;34;06
Speaker 1
because it was all just like it wasn't like math. It was just like some shit that you had to memorize. It was all information about, for example, the stones or some stones. Yeah. Because there was this course we had, like, all about, like, minerals and stones and shit. I don't remember, how to say it in English.

00;26;34;08 - 00;26;35;04
Speaker 2
I mean geology, but.

00;26;35;11 - 00;26;37;05
Speaker 1
Give me something like that.

00;26;37;05 - 00;26;38;12
Speaker 2
You want the layers of the crust?

00;26;38;12 - 00;26;39;06
Speaker 3
Yeah, exactly.

00;26;39;06 - 00;26;41;20
Speaker 1
Exactly, exactly. Fucking magmas and fucking,

00;26;41;24 - 00;26;43;24
Speaker 2
I sedentary rock, whatever.

00;26;43;25 - 00;27;04;19
Speaker 1
Yeah. Bullshit. So what we would do is, so the the, the in order for them to stop us from cheating the way they do the exams is that you go in a big ass fucking hall and they're like single seats, right? So it's like people are sitting in rows of like fucking 20 or 30. And then there are like, teachers walking in every row.

00;27;04;19 - 00;27;28;00
Speaker 1
So you cannot really turn around or cheat that much, right? It's hard. And like fucking teachers, they tell them to wear like old shoes so they don't even squeak. These motherfuckers show up behind your back like fucking dementors. Just like out of nowhere. So you cannot really look around or talk, right? So the only way to cheat is that you have to like, cheat for yourself by yourself.

00;27;28;03 - 00;27;43;09
Speaker 1
Which is that I would put a book of the course in the bathroom on top of the, the toilet tank. Because for us, it's not like here that you sit. It's not like these toilets. It's like the Turkish toilets. You know, I.

00;27;43;09 - 00;27;44;07
Speaker 2
Don't know what the Turkish does.

00;27;44;08 - 00;27;58;19
Speaker 1
Okay, so basically there's a hole on the ground, you squat and you take a piss or shit however you want it, right? Oh, right. It's it's not as horrible as it sounds. They have they have designs now, but it's still very, like animalistic. You just squat down.

00;27;58;21 - 00;28;00;07
Speaker 2
You have like the toilet.

00;28;00;07 - 00;28;02;27
Speaker 3
Yeah. No, no, no, it's it's not.

00;28;02;27 - 00;28;07;00
Speaker 1
Just a hole like there's like a little nice like white part. So anyways.

00;28;07;18 - 00;28;12;18
Speaker 3
so they colored the. Yeah. Outside of the hole. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. So it's they don't mess anyways.

00;28;12;21 - 00;28;31;15
Speaker 1
So, so the and the, the way the, the fucking flush works is that there's a big tank on the, on the, on the wall on the top. So you flush it and it comes hard down anyways so you can put something on top. Because I was tall, I could put the book on top of the fucking, toilet thing and nobody would see the book there.

00;28;31;22 - 00;28;52;23
Speaker 1
Then in the middle of the exam, I would just, take a piece of paper that they would give us papers to write on the thing, so I would get the extra one. I write the questions that I didn't know the answer, fold the paper it, put it in my pocket, go to the toilet, write everything down from the book on the paper, and come back and write it on the thing and then pass it.

00;28;52;25 - 00;28;56;24
Speaker 1
Wow, that was great, man, I have I have got my.

00;28;56;27 - 00;28;58;20
Speaker 3
PhD.

00;28;58;22 - 00;29;12;18
Speaker 1
And this is how I got it here. No, but like, it here, it's not like that here. It's like you have to study and cheating doesn't really get you anywhere but at school. At school, definitely cheat. Fuck school.

00;29;12;21 - 00;29;15;13
Speaker 3
The chief of school. Yeah. All the PhD. Yeah.

00;29;15;13 - 00;29;21;27
Speaker 1
All the shit they teach us. School. None of it is useful. And then if, if you're going to need it in university, they're going to repeat it for you.

00;29;21;29 - 00;29;39;20
Speaker 2
Yeah, I mean school, I don't know how it is, and I, it seems like I read maybe the same case, but in America is about like, training you to become a worker. Basically. Like, that's the whole history behind it of, like, you wake up at this time, you learn this stuff, you learn how to memorize, you make sure you do what you're told.

00;29;39;26 - 00;30;00;22
Speaker 2
Do they? It's all about memorization, okay? And not really about critical thinking as much. I mean, some areas, yes, but so much more on like memorization, you know, and then this is on to like you becoming like a worker or so in the economy, which I guess makes sense because, you know, whoever's funding it does have an agenda.

00;30;00;25 - 00;30;11;03
Speaker 1
Yeah. I mean, like, but it feels like very like also like, capitalistic. Well, it is, I guess so. But like every everyone, everyone, you get a job. 9 to 5 did it. It did it. The 30 years.

00;30;11;04 - 00;30;29;09
Speaker 2
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00;30;29;09 - 00;30;46;24
Speaker 2
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00;30;46;25 - 00;31;04;29
Speaker 2
Never right. Like no one like here, like here in this, countries in Europe, you could be like a psychologist or this is not work. And people will be like, oh my gosh. And ideas, grants and people there you can actually have like a fulfilling life. Like, yes, psychologist in America, that means you wasn't good enough to do, profession.

00;31;04;29 - 00;31;05;16
Speaker 2
You can get money.

00;31;05;16 - 00;31;07;28
Speaker 3
Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly the same.

00;31;07;28 - 00;31;27;05
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah. It's the same in Iran as well. Like, it's so many, like, the competition is so high because everyone. Well, for us, the economy sucks, but it's still people are capitalist, so they want to make money. However they can. so, yeah, the same situation if it happens in Iran, they're like, oh, so you're just a fucking loser.

00;31;27;05 - 00;31;30;02
Speaker 1
You couldn't get like a psychologist.

00;31;30;02 - 00;31;31;11
Speaker 3
Oh, you're a loser. Yeah.

00;31;31;14 - 00;31;55;01
Speaker 1
Because, like, for us in school, that's, it's funny for us, it's like the everyone at school, the whole goal is that they are like, you either have to become a doctor or an engineer. Right? No specification. What kind of engineer? Or a doctor? But these two things are seen as like the, the the main thing. If you become these, you will have a job, have a life or whatever, right?

00;31;55;03 - 00;31;59;26
Speaker 1
And I'm like, motherfucker, if everyone becomes doctors and engineers, who's going to clean the streets and stuff, right?

00;31;59;26 - 00;32;01;05
Speaker 3
Like, like.

00;32;01;08 - 00;32;22;12
Speaker 1
That. So everyone is just and then nobody becomes doctors and engineers because they just let a thousand people get into these fucking fields every year because it's a it's like a university system is crazy there. we have big exams and everything. So if you want to enter the main good universities, it's a public exam like every year, and it's like a 200,000 students take it.

00;32;22;14 - 00;32;25;08
Speaker 1
And you got to be below a thousand to become a doctor.

00;32;25;11 - 00;32;27;13
Speaker 3
What? Yeah.

00;32;27;15 - 00;32;44;06
Speaker 1
So it's fucked up. Yeah, it's fucked up. And that should fucks you up because you have to study for it for three years before, you do the exam. You start when you're like, in, second year of high school until the fourth year and the fourth year, you take it and then you enter university.

00;32;44;09 - 00;32;46;13
Speaker 2
And so then if you don't make it, then can't retake.

00;32;46;13 - 00;32;48;02
Speaker 1
It, you'll have to retake it next year.

00;32;49;04 - 00;32;49;13
Speaker 2
and.

00;32;49;13 - 00;32;50;14
Speaker 1
It's once a year.

00;32;50;17 - 00;32;52;23
Speaker 2
Is it always is there a limit to how many times you can take you.

00;32;52;23 - 00;32;58;01
Speaker 1
Know, you can take it forever. There was a guy who was on the news. He has been doing it for 20 years. He never got into university.

00;32;58;01 - 00;33;00;07
Speaker 2
Oh, my. my, that is so sad.

00;33;00;07 - 00;33;02;08
Speaker 1
Yeah, but you made it in the US.

00;33;02;10 - 00;33;06;05
Speaker 3
I mean, yeah, there you go. Okay, either you pass.

00;33;06;05 - 00;33;08;07
Speaker 2
It or you just do enough times to where you be put on to.

00;33;08;07 - 00;33;10;13
Speaker 3
The new. You break your record. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00;33;10;14 - 00;33;31;05
Speaker 1
But that's fucked up. And that's from every basically course that you have learned in school, during the past four years of high school. And then you have to take this exam that is like 4.5 hours, no breaks. and bam, bam, bam, you have like 30 to 45 seconds for each question to think and answer or you cannot finish it.

00;33;31;05 - 00;33;44;16
Speaker 1
This is the it's the amount I'm saying, based on the amount of questions and the time that they give you. So it's a lot like you get like 5060 questions per course. and you have like ten, 11 courses and 4.5 hours.

00;33;44;18 - 00;33;46;07
Speaker 2
I'm assuming you passed the first time you did.

00;33;46;16 - 00;33;56;01
Speaker 1
I, I didn't like. So the thing is, like, you don't really pass it. It's like you either get the good stuff or then you get the shit things you study psychology.

00;33;56;03 - 00;34;00;05
Speaker 2
Also the score. So you get like a score and then based on the score is going to.

00;34;00;05 - 00;34;26;04
Speaker 1
Yeah, it's like an old French system that they had it for France. I don't know why we have it, but basically it's like so the public universities are the good ones. We have like bunch of good public universities, surprisingly. And, so they take the top, for example, 2000 people from this 200,000. Right. And if you are like here, if you are have a score that is like below 2000, you can choose whatever.

00;34;26;12 - 00;34;30;11
Speaker 1
So you can you can become a doctor or you can become a janitor. It's your choice.

00;34;30;13 - 00;34;30;25
Speaker 2
Yeah.

00;34;30;25 - 00;34;42;01
Speaker 1
But if you have a score of 10,000, probably you have to pick some some, lower tier, major, because the good ones are already taken by people behind you. You know what I'm saying?

00;34;43;04 - 00;34;45;05
Speaker 2
okay, I see, so ranking. Okay.

00;34;45;05 - 00;35;01;26
Speaker 1
It's a ranking. So the first guy picks who gets to pick first, the second guy gets to pick second, and they can pick whatever the fuck they want. Right. And you as 10,000, you can pick whatever the fuck you want as well. What? Probably people have already taken whatever the fuck you want. Wow.

00;35;01;26 - 00;35;10;02
Speaker 2
That is so. Yeah. Because like in America is more about the school you went to and that has more of the weights and then assumptions like, oh, you went to the school. So you must be.

00;35;10;03 - 00;35;31;07
Speaker 1
No, that's a crazy shit for us. There are like kids who come from fucking villages with no water and shit, and they win it for like they get number 34 or some shit, right? No proper education because like, we go to good schools, there's techniques for this exam. Like we take extra courses and we still suck. And then there is a genius comes out from a village and like, yeah, it's like that.

00;35;31;07 - 00;35;43;26
Speaker 1
And that's the even part about it because anyone can get a good it's all from the books. You just have to be very you have to know everything. You have to study like eight hours per day basically for the last year. Yeah.

00;35;43;29 - 00;35;56;26
Speaker 2
That sounds more. Yeah. Sounds kind of a little more fair because like, you know, again, America, the system, maybe even a high school. But college is that depending on the college you graduated from, the college you went to, that's like you get hired just off the fact.

00;35;56;29 - 00;35;57;13
Speaker 3
Oh yeah.

00;35;57;20 - 00;36;04;04
Speaker 2
Just your name being attached to this college or this university. You're good. but the score doesn't matter.

00;36;04;05 - 00;36;04;24
Speaker 3
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00;36;05;03 - 00;36;08;12
Speaker 2
Bill gates went to this college, so then did you? Good. Now, you know, just come in.

00;36;08;12 - 00;36;10;00
Speaker 1
So it's just a reputation, basically.

00;36;10;01 - 00;36;26;17
Speaker 2
Reputation. That's really what you're going to college for is really the connection and reputation and who you connect with, because that's where like you go to Harvard, they the connection you get there will change your trajectory of your life. Like just the connections alone. Yeah. Obviously what you learned. Yes. But like.

00;36;26;17 - 00;36;27;25
Speaker 3
More.

00;36;27;25 - 00;36;29;04
Speaker 2
About the connection. Yeah.

00;36;29;04 - 00;36;42;27
Speaker 1
No I can see that being a thing because like you, you get to meet like, more motherfuckers that are like, I don't know, doing serious shit or something in Harvard rather than, I don't know, Staten Island, the College of Arts or whatever. Yeah.

00;36;42;27 - 00;36;52;12
Speaker 2
I mean, I mean, in college I went to for briefly, man, it was just full of dudes that came from the hood that I escaped from. I was like, oh, my God, we just the same people from the same area. It is.

00;36;52;16 - 00;36;53;06
Speaker 3
Crazy.

00;36;53;08 - 00;37;04;14
Speaker 2
So the wall thing, people shooting dice on the corner. Oh, wow. Yeah. Pool. Bad money. you know, fights happen, you know, but. Oh, this bro. Oh, this person's a gang member. All right. Cool. He's just here because, this is the last college.

00;37;04;19 - 00;37;05;18
Speaker 3
Okay, so.

00;37;05;19 - 00;37;08;03
Speaker 1
So you dropped out of college and you started comedy or.

00;37;08;03 - 00;37;22;15
Speaker 2
Well, no, I didn't drop out of college. I mean, I went to college and went to another college, so, like, I went to one basic. I was just too lazy, I was lazy, I didn't, like, do this stuff. And this is the college. They accepted me, okay. And accepted everyone, which hence the shooting dice on the corner.

00;37;22;15 - 00;37;39;14
Speaker 2
All right. Shooting dice in the in the like the little common area that people go to or, you know, just somebody being like, you know, throwing some gang signs about, oh, shit. All right. I thought I ran away from this. apparently I need to watch out here, too. Yeah, yeah. Or, you know, somebody, like. Yeah, even some people I went to college from.

00;37;39;14 - 00;37;53;15
Speaker 2
I think either they're in jail now for like, life or, or, you know, died, you know. Yeah. So like people that were like, legit, like, oh, I know you because you're connected to someone's at the top. Gang member from where I came from.

00;37;53;19 - 00;37;54;04
Speaker 3
The what?

00;37;54;04 - 00;37;54;29
Speaker 1
That's how you know?

00;37;54;29 - 00;37;55;15
Speaker 3
Yeah, this.

00;37;55;15 - 00;37;56;15
Speaker 2
Is not good.

00;37;56;18 - 00;38;13;09
Speaker 1
But it's also always surprised me because, we have also, like, a lot of kids that you see in university that, they are they're not to study. Right. They are there to shoot dice and shit, as you said. And I'm like, motherfucker, what are you doing here? Just like, just. Yeah, don't waste your money. At least.

00;38;13;09 - 00;38;29;03
Speaker 2
Just like it's still a thing. And I mean, now is not as much, but, whole. If you have a degree, then just with a degree, you get a job. So that's like a big thing in, in, in America. I mean, he's dying now that you have a bachelor's degree, just a bachelor's degree, you should be able to get a job.

00;38;29;05 - 00;38;36;11
Speaker 2
You have a master's degree. You should be able to get a job. That's what everyone only cared about and care about what you got taught. What was your score? All this.

00;38;36;11 - 00;38;37;04
Speaker 1
Crazy, though.

00;38;37;05 - 00;38;38;05
Speaker 3
Is is stupid.

00;38;38;05 - 00;38;52;06
Speaker 2
And and and it didn't matter. Like I mean I moved to another I went to another college was a little bit better, I would say, actually they have significantly better than I college. Much better. And shout out to the teachers in that, that college I went to were good.

00;38;52;24 - 00;38;57;15
Speaker 2
It was just they were they just, you know, you had a lot of other people there. So what could they do?

00;38;57;17 - 00;38;58;27
Speaker 1
It wasn't your fault. It was.

00;38;58;27 - 00;38;59;26
Speaker 3
Their fault. It wasn't my.

00;38;59;26 - 00;39;19;10
Speaker 2
Fault. He stayed here for always there for, like, a year, and I left. So. So thankfully, thankfully. but yeah, people really think about, like, just the degree being the thing. So, that's why you see people just, just be at college and just, like, pass by and by, look at law and get my degree. And it shows this is a degree, I got this and I should be able to get a job.

00;39;19;12 - 00;39;25;23
Speaker 2
And, that didn't work out. And as time went, they kind of more like, what did you do exactly?

00;39;25;23 - 00;39;28;02
Speaker 1
Exactly. Time always changes everything as well.

00;39;28;03 - 00;39;34;10
Speaker 2
Oh, for a fact, bro, for a fact. So. All right, so Aaron, you've used used there up until high school and then

00;39;34;13 - 00;39;36;23
Speaker 1
So I did my bachelor's in Iran as well.

00;39;36;24 - 00;39;37;12
Speaker 3
Oh, really? Yeah.

00;39;37;12 - 00;39;56;13
Speaker 1
Yeah yeah. But I, I decided to do it somewhere else rather than my city because I didn't get the good score as well. So then I had to choose, but then I could, I my score was good enough to choose a seal like some like average good universities. So I chose to be next to the sea. So I went to the north of Iran actually for years there.

00;39;57;07 - 00;40;13;22
Speaker 1
so my university was right here and the beach was here. So we had to just cross the street. It was beautiful. Right? So it was crazy. So we were just fucking like next to the beach the whole time. And I didn't really study for my bachelors that much. Just, fucked around through the ice and shit.

00;40;13;22 - 00;40;18;13
Speaker 3
Basically.

00;40;18;15 - 00;40;25;15
Speaker 3
It.

00;40;26;05 - 00;40;38;02
Speaker 3
yeah. This is what got you. So I used to got better fourth there. I think I better dice at that college. Yeah. She dies. Do it all over again. So basically, yeah.

00;40;38;04 - 00;40;56;18
Speaker 1
We just had fun. Mostly because, also imagine, as I said, coming from that kind of school and stuff, and in Iran, a lot of kids, it's the first time that they get to be alone somewhere else, especially if you're living in another city. So this is the first time you're by yourself and it can go good or bad.

00;40;56;18 - 00;41;16;15
Speaker 1
I've seen a lot of kids just like breaking, and then their parents have to come and fucking gather their pieces and take them back, because they have never been, like, independent. They don't even know how to fucking take care of themselves. Some of them fall into drugs, or they get addicted quickly because suddenly they are in this university somewhere next to the beach.

00;41;16;15 - 00;41;32;14
Speaker 1
Everyone is fucking partying. Everyone has a villa like they're very rich kids from the capital coming there. So it's just more of a looking fucking party college rather than like, hey, let's just study together. Fucking fucking professors. We're getting high. We had two professors that were getting high with kids, like.

00;41;32;14 - 00;41;36;00
Speaker 3
Like we meet weed. Yeah, yeah, yeah, a crack. I mean, I don't know.

00;41;36;01 - 00;41;37;17
Speaker 2
Yeah, I don't know what the drugs are out the.

00;41;37;17 - 00;41;57;02
Speaker 1
Weed, but like, they were, they were very good actually. They were like two of the best. like the doctors that were there, but, like, these motherfuckers were cool. So everyone was chilling, right? The whole people of the city were not that, like, religious or anything as well. And so everyone was cool, right? I think the effect of the sea and everything, like.

00;41;57;05 - 00;41;58;11
Speaker 2
The breeze coming up.

00;41;58;12 - 00;42;20;29
Speaker 1
Dude, nobody had a job. The locals, nobody had a job. Like they all had fucking orange fields. They had like fucking big yards of like, orange trees. And they would just fucking sell orange once a year and then just eat off that fucking money, right? Wow. It was like that. And then the guys were all doing taxi like in their city, taxi driving because they were just bored.

00;42;21;01 - 00;42;22;26
Speaker 1
They didn't want to stay home.

00;42;22;29 - 00;42;23;07
Speaker 2
I mean.

00;42;23;09 - 00;42;23;24
Speaker 1
Because they.

00;42;23;24 - 00;42;24;11
Speaker 3
Sold on it.

00;42;24;18 - 00;42;39;09
Speaker 1
Yeah, they would show, but the fucking money was nothing. It was just like enough to pay for the gas. Right? So it was crazy because they all have had all these fucking like orange shit to sell. So they all had money. But the guy was like, I don't want to sit home next to my wife for fucking the whole time.

00;42;39;09 - 00;42;41;13
Speaker 1
So I'm just going to get a taxi and just run.

00;42;41;13 - 00;42;42;20
Speaker 3
Around, right? Right.

00;42;42;22 - 00;43;03;28
Speaker 1
And it was great. So like, everyone was chill. There was no competition, no nothing. So we were just fucking partying and some of the kids would come there and suddenly like, all this freedom, no parents around. Weed was everywhere. Their fucking drinks, dude. But like, it's crazy because, like, drinks are illegal in Iran. So you find fucking dealers for them.

00;43;04;01 - 00;43;05;08
Speaker 2
Dealers of alcohol.

00;43;05;08 - 00;43;33;17
Speaker 1
Dealers of alcohol. Yeah, yeah. And that's the first type of dealer you get to know in Iran. You don't like dealers. Usually when I hear the word dealer, it's the alcohol guy, because drugs were not a thing that much, especially for the younger people until my generation or little before me. So when you hear the word dealer, you're like, oh, it's a guy who's going to bring you fucking 70%, fermented fucking shit that he made at home.

00;43;34;06 - 00;43;50;16
Speaker 1
so that's the thing. And we would get that shit. Right. So because there is no real like alcohol, people make it at home. and these motherfuckers, the people who would sell it in the city, they knew we were all students. So they would focus up like they would put shit in it, like fucking pills and stuff.

00;43;50;16 - 00;43;54;28
Speaker 1
Just like, sell you whatever, because you don't know what you're drinking. You're just 18.

00;43;54;28 - 00;43;56;28
Speaker 2
The pills and the drinks. Yeah.

00;43;56;28 - 00;44;14;25
Speaker 1
So, like, instead of alcohol, they would put something else to give you some fucking effect, you know? So just, like, make you dizzy or something, and you think you're drunk because these all fucking kids that they are alone for the first time, they've never had a drink because it's forbidden in Iran. so you you, whatever you drink and it changes your mood from right now.

00;44;14;25 - 00;44;16;17
Speaker 1
You think you got drunk?

00;44;16;19 - 00;44;20;01
Speaker 2
Oh, my. Wow, that's so crazy. So you know what drunk is?

00;44;20;01 - 00;44;30;04
Speaker 1
Yeah. You don't even know what a drunk is. Yeah. And then, so a lot of kids would fucking fuck up. Basically by doing this, and then their parents like, come and get them.

00;44;30;08 - 00;44;32;01
Speaker 3
So how was this.

00;44;32;01 - 00;44;38;06
Speaker 2
City isolated from all the other cities in terms of the strictness of like, you know, partying and everyone have.

00;44;38;09 - 00;45;03;09
Speaker 1
So the thing is like, my city is very, restricted. That's the problem because we have this whole shrine in my city that everyone comes there from, like some other, like, Muslim countries to pray and shit. And so for that reason, it's like the second, biggest city of Iran. And it's very religious, like it's the first religious city, I would say.

00;45;03;11 - 00;45;05;26
Speaker 1
So the vibe is dark. You know.

00;45;07;08 - 00;45;32;04
Speaker 1
And, you have to keep the vibes because you get the tourists for the vibes. The people who come are coming for this fucking pilgrimage vibe and like, going to this holy shrine and shit. Right? So there is less freedom in my city. There's less parties, there's no fucking parties. There's no music and shit. Right? So but you go to the North and these people are just fucking having fun because, like, nobody cares about you.

00;45;32;04 - 00;45;43;11
Speaker 1
Because you are making your own money with your fucking fishing and selling your fruits. We get like 10 million tourists coming to my city every year. So we have to keep the fucking.

00;45;44;06 - 00;45;44;24
Speaker 3
wow.

00;45;44;24 - 00;46;02;26
Speaker 1
Yeah, we have to. Even if you are not like that, you have to pretend in that city, you know? Yeah. So you have to keep the atmosphere in a way that, like, Yeah. So it's like, kind of like not Vatican, but that kind of sucks some shit like that. So and then you go to these other cities and generally north of Iran, people are more relaxed.

00;46;02;26 - 00;46;18;10
Speaker 1
It's just like because it's a very big country, it's different fucking gene pools as well, I would say. Right. And in the north there are more I would say mix with Russia because at some point Russia, during World War One, they came to the north of Iran. So there were a lot of soldiers like fucking around and stuff.

00;46;18;14 - 00;46;32;27
Speaker 1
Oh, so you have a lot of blond, white people in the North. It's crazy. Wow. Yeah. It's crazy, it's crazy. So, the first time I saw blond Iranian was there, when I went there, I was a. God damn it. I didn't know we have it. So, like, you've traveled in this fucking country and you see every fucking color.

00;46;32;27 - 00;46;38;16
Speaker 1
If you go to the South, we have black people, which is crazy. I'm like, really? Fuck you guys come from, like, it's just crazy. We have everything.

00;46;38;16 - 00;46;39;01
Speaker 3
Yeah.

00;46;39;26 - 00;46;59;02
Speaker 1
so anyways, so people are more chill because of all this every situation that happened and dude, we were going crazy with the limitations is still being in Iran. Like, we could find like shit in the supermarkets. Like everyone was cool to the students. They were like, oh, you want some drugs? They were making money off us.

00;46;59;20 - 00;47;01;02
Speaker 3
right, right, right. The city.

00;47;01;02 - 00;47;14;28
Speaker 1
You know, they are like, all these fuckers are coming here for four years. Let's just fucking milk them because they are all rich students. Because nobody comes here is too far from everybody. Snakes at the beach, you know? So I had to be on the way for 16 hours from my city to get there.

00;47;15;03 - 00;47;16;15
Speaker 2
By train or on a bus.

00;47;16;15 - 00;47;20;27
Speaker 1
There was no it's Iran, bro. Train goes halfway and there is no rail in.

00;47;20;29 - 00;47;24;15
Speaker 3
I don't know what it was, just cause.

00;47;24;17 - 00;47;40;05
Speaker 1
Dude, there was flights to a city before and to a city after, but not to the city I was living with 75, I was flying, I had to take fucking two hour taxi in there, like between city taxis. so it was a pain in the ass. And so I was like, fuck it, I'll go directly with the bus.

00;47;40;08 - 00;47;53;08
Speaker 1
And it was crazy, man. 16 hours in the bus. And it's not like you think this flex box is shit. Yeah. I've never been to, like, the busses in Iran. It's like old Mercedes-Benz shit. Like it's just crazy tight.

00;47;53;08 - 00;47;53;23
Speaker 2
The seats.

00;47;53;23 - 00;47;56;09
Speaker 1
Dude, I'm tall and it's so annoying for.

00;47;56;11 - 00;47;58;10
Speaker 2
Like, a whole somewhere in the floor.

00;47;58;12 - 00;48;03;28
Speaker 1
Yeah, in the winter it's too hot. In the summer it's too hot as well. It's always hot.

00;48;04;00 - 00;48;05;14
Speaker 3
It's just. It's always.

00;48;05;14 - 00;48;19;18
Speaker 1
Hot inside. I'm like, what the fuck? Like, it's just crazy, right? And so. But it was all worth it for me because just to get away from that city and, like, party and shit and, Yeah. So I got into other stuff there.

00;48;19;20 - 00;48;23;11
Speaker 3
And there's,

00;48;23;13 - 00;48;26;11
Speaker 1
And after that, I came to Germany.

00;48;26;19 - 00;48;30;12
Speaker 2
how was that coming from Iran to Germany? Was that easy thing? Was that like, a hard thing.

00;48;30;12 - 00;48;37;22
Speaker 1
For me was quite easy, not to brag, but, because I had a good English, score.

00;48;38;03 - 00;48;41;27
Speaker 2
so English score that was ranked while I was in university or was it.

00;48;41;27 - 00;49;02;02
Speaker 1
It was separately, so I so for, for, for anyone who wants to study like in the English, university, anywhere outside of, for example, Iran for, let's say, coming to Europe, if I'm going to go study English somewhere and I'm international, not first language speaker, I have to prove that I speak enough English, that I can study this shit.

00;49;02;02 - 00;49;23;26
Speaker 1
Right. and there is a there are a few exams. One is called, IELTS or I IELTS. It's like international English test certificate, whatever. so it's like they do this official test like the same shit for German that we have. so speaking, writing, reading, fucking listening. And overall the score should be above this much.

00;49;23;26 - 00;49;28;19
Speaker 1
For example, you have to get six, six and a half to study Masters.

00;49;28;22 - 00;49;31;26
Speaker 3
Oh, I had eight and oh bro. Yeah.

00;49;31;26 - 00;49;54;13
Speaker 1
So I was, I was just throwing that shit right. The certificate and so that that was very that made it very easy for me to get the, the admissions because they don't want someone to come here and just not know how to read or write. Basically. Because that's the case with a lot of, us that we come, we know, we know English, we think we know English, but you come and you try to study and you're like, fuck, I have no idea what I'm doing.

00;49;54;13 - 00;49;56;07
Speaker 2
Oh, so they don't even make it?

00;49;56;09 - 00;50;15;05
Speaker 1
Probably. It's hard. It's very hard to adjust. Like, even for me, I had, like, it took me like five, six months to get used to the academic, reading, writing stuff. because you don't do it back there, you just go to some courses and you pass this exam and shit. There is no really real like, interaction with English speaking people or stuff.

00;50;15;29 - 00;50;18;22
Speaker 1
so you don't really practice it. You just know some shit.

00;50;18;24 - 00;50;23;21
Speaker 2
So you just, like, you're not really talking. It is almost like, as if you studying something, but apply it is.

00;50;23;21 - 00;50;23;26
Speaker 3
Like.

00;50;23;28 - 00;50;30;09
Speaker 1
Exactly, exactly, exactly. You studied engineering, but then suddenly the car breaks and you're like, fuck, I have no idea how.

00;50;30;20 - 00;50;31;20
Speaker 2
special engineering.

00;50;31;20 - 00;50;32;15
Speaker 3
Yeah, yeah.

00;50;32;17 - 00;50;35;23
Speaker 2
You study it in in black. Okay. so here it is. In real life, you play.

00;50;35;24 - 00;50;42;03
Speaker 3
Oh, right now this is from a blank slate. I got to do it.

00;50;42;15 - 00;50;49;03
Speaker 1
I can tell you how fast it can go to reach during an hour, but I cannot fix a car like it's just started now.

00;50;49;03 - 00;50;51;17
Speaker 3
Like what? Tools. And I got gotta hold it.

00;50;51;23 - 00;51;01;11
Speaker 1
So it's the same shit with the English thing. But since that was good, I got to get, like, to, the universities that I applied. And then I went somewhere in, South Germany.

00;51;01;17 - 00;51;02;21
Speaker 2
South of what city? You know.

00;51;02;29 - 00;51;19;29
Speaker 1
it's called the word burg. Wurzburg. it's a very small city between Nuremberg and Frankfurt. I would say it's a student city. Basically, I went to the German version of what I used to study in Iran. Went to a fucking university city. That was just students.

00;51;20;06 - 00;51;20;22
Speaker 2
Wow.

00;51;20;23 - 00;51;28;05
Speaker 1
Just fucking like, 40,000 students or something. Everyone age of like 23 to 27.

00;51;28;08 - 00;51;31;27
Speaker 2
So how. Okay. So how was that experience. What was like the culture shock. Dude.

00;51;31;27 - 00;51;47;27
Speaker 1
It was crazy. It was absolutely nuts because, so for us, the first time you see girls is when you go to university, that's where you get mix at school, you're separated, right? 12 years at school, you just nuts and cocks, and then.

00;51;47;29 - 00;51;49;11
Speaker 3
You, you see tits.

00;51;49;11 - 00;52;04;08
Speaker 1
And stuff. so it's crazy. So that's why a lot of people are start like fucking at, Indian University ages in Iran. So 18, 19, first crush, first girlfriend. A lot of people start just getting married. The first girl they meet, because they've never seen anything before.

00;52;04;08 - 00;52;05;20
Speaker 2
They get taught that this is the way.

00;52;05;21 - 00;52;06;07
Speaker 3
Yeah.

00;52;06;10 - 00;52;26;19
Speaker 1
This is the way. Or you meet a girl. And it's also very, it's considered, like, more sophisticated if you marry someone from your university because you're like, oh, at least they were not arranged. They met each other at university. They were both studying. They had good intentions. You know, it's kind of this kind of shit. They're going to build a life together with what they're studying.

00;52;26;19 - 00;52;27;25
Speaker 1
Bullshit. Right.

00;52;28;15 - 00;52;36;12
Speaker 3
so it's funny you said all that bullshit. Yeah, yeah. So,

00;52;36;14 - 00;52;53;26
Speaker 1
Yeah. That's it. What was I saying? Oh, yeah. And then. But still, the environment is very like, it's not open. You can't just go and talk to girls because, if you are talking to a girl or holding hands outside in the street, no matter where you are in Iran, the police can, like, capture you and shit, right?

00;52;53;27 - 00;52;54;08
Speaker 3
Whoa.

00;52;54;08 - 00;52;56;20
Speaker 2
The police can capture you for holding hands with a girl.

00;52;56;20 - 00;53;15;22
Speaker 1
Yeah, because you are not really. If you are not, like, related by blood. So if you're not brother, sister or something, then, or like some other relations, like, first cousins or whatever that you can touch it other like religiously in Islam, there's like some people that you can touch and the rest are forbidden Islamic law.

00;53;15;23 - 00;53;16;01
Speaker 3
Yeah.

00;53;16;01 - 00;53;33;26
Speaker 1
Okay. And the rest that are forbidden. You can also fuck. So it's like you can marry them. So then that's why you cannot touch them until you're married to them. It's fucked up, right? So of course it girl from my class is not my sister. And we are holding hands. And if the police stops us. What's your relation?

00;53;33;29 - 00;53;46;19
Speaker 1
Nothing. Are you guys married? No. Are you like, engaged? At least? No. Then let's go. So they take you, and then they take you to the police station. And then they call your fucking parents.

00;53;46;21 - 00;53;49;24
Speaker 2
Over, and then you probably get. You probably get beaten or something.

00;53;49;26 - 00;54;06;17
Speaker 1
If your parents are like that. Yes. But like, it it can go both ways. But like, the thing is, like, also a lot of kids don't want to really reveal to their parents what kind of character they have or like, if they're dating or something, because they're also afraid. They think that their parents are the teachers as well.

00;54;06;24 - 00;54;20;06
Speaker 1
They think that the parents are going to act the same way as these fucking teachers. They're like, oh, don't date girls, or this is like forbidden, don't have sex on us. So they think the parents are thinking the same. So the love kids keep it hidden. Whatever they are doing outside from the parents. Right?

00;54;20;27 - 00;54;22;13
Speaker 2
they can really affect on the family too.

00;54;22;14 - 00;54;37;27
Speaker 1
So. Yeah. So then when you get busted, like, suddenly someone calls your home and your dad is like, what? My kid was with the girl. Like I said, he was gay. Like, he never talk about any girl or anything, right? And then they have to come and take you out to fucking jail or whatever. They keeping you there?

00;54;38;14 - 00;54;40;04
Speaker 1
so it's crazy.

00;54;40;06 - 00;54;40;23
Speaker 3
Yeah.

00;54;40;26 - 00;54;41;20
Speaker 1
And then you come.

00;54;41;20 - 00;54;42;24
Speaker 3
Here.

00;54;42;26 - 00;54;44;17
Speaker 1
And you're like, brah.

00;54;44;19 - 00;54;45;10
Speaker 2
The verse work.

00;54;45;13 - 00;55;12;10
Speaker 1
Is crazy. Yet also because the thing is that, even though everyone wants to fuck in Iran because the the more you, you fucking forbid something, the more people want to do it right. And everyone is just looking for a chance to do it. But there is no opportunity and chance to do it because like everyone is living with their parents, you cannot really have like a place of your own as a single guy or a single girl nowadays.

00;55;12;10 - 00;55;22;13
Speaker 1
You can. But back then it was hard because you're like, oh, what are you going to do, bring hookers here or something? That's the mentality, right? So they don't even rent it to single people that much places.

00;55;22;13 - 00;55;27;13
Speaker 3
Oh, so even landlords don't rented. Yeah, yeah. So. Oh so is that deep. Yeah. Yeah.

00;55;27;13 - 00;55;43;14
Speaker 1
So even for us that we were students and living in that city, we were like two guys living in a house. All the neighbors were bitching from the first day. Oh, two single guys came to this apartment. They're going to bring whores here. They're going to above, smoke fucking.

00;55;43;18 - 00;55;44;17
Speaker 3
Hashish.

00;55;44;17 - 00;55;45;16
Speaker 1
And like, dude.

00;55;46;02 - 00;55;47;19
Speaker 3
oh my God. so.

00;55;47;19 - 00;55;56;18
Speaker 1
It goes that deep, right? And if you're a single girl or like girl students is way harder to get it because they are like, oh, these girls are like, wow.

00;55;56;21 - 00;55;58;23
Speaker 2
Runs. That is so many layers to it, dude.

00;55;58;23 - 00;56;05;04
Speaker 1
It's like the biggest onion of all. Like, it's just how many fucking layers you peel. There is more underneath.

00;56;05;17 - 00;56;07;00
Speaker 3
so.

00;56;07;02 - 00;56;39;18
Speaker 1
So everyone wants to fuck, right? But despite all this difficulties, so any opportunity you get, if you have someone and you have already talked about fucking, you will fuck. But the problem is that the before the part that you meet because the culture is, is still very, like, closed minded. So even the girl who wants to fuck anyone cannot do that because like, she has to play it like hard, which is a crazy thing in our culture.

00;56;39;18 - 00;56;42;05
Speaker 2
Just play hard to get, okay. Hard to get.

00;56;42;05 - 00;56;57;19
Speaker 1
Yeah. So, for example, even if she loves you, if she has a crush on you in university and you go and talk to her and you're like, hey, what's up? do you want to go grab a coffee or something? She's like, no, thank you. And then you have to do this shit fucking 5 or 6 times. Which turns to a very rapey feature, right?

00;56;57;26 - 00;57;12;18
Speaker 1
It's just like she says, no. And you go, you're like, no, but she wants it. I know she's just like saying no because she's like, oh, I'm not a whore or something. I'm I'm like very majestic. So you have to come after me. If you really want me, I have to come more after me. And then I tell you, right?

00;57;12;19 - 00;57;28;18
Speaker 1
Yeah. So that makes it very hard. If you are a dude like me that, like, has no idea about the signals. Because I would go to girls and they would be like, no. And I was like, okay, so she doesn't like me. And then like, my friends would be like, no, bro, you got to go like five, six times.

00;57;28;18 - 00;57;43;15
Speaker 1
I was like five, six. I'm not going to make a fool out of myself. Like she said, no. What do you mean, five, six time? Yeah, right. No, just go around the corner. Come back ten minutes later. I'm like, are you shitting me? And I would see guys doing this and like, it was that. That was the shit.

00;57;43;16 - 00;57;43;27
Speaker 1
That was the.

00;57;43;27 - 00;57;48;10
Speaker 2
Game. I'm not going to lie to you. That sounds exactly like African culture.

00;57;48;12 - 00;57;49;03
Speaker 3
Oh, really?

00;57;49;03 - 00;57;51;09
Speaker 2
Yeah, bro. I mean.

00;57;51;11 - 00;57;52;05
Speaker 3
You like.

00;57;52;08 - 00;58;08;27
Speaker 2
To definitely be, like, very you have to pursue it. I said after I said, like, maybe even like, like black, you know, even in America too. Like, you know, girl, when I was growing up there, like, you had to put that, you had to know how to talk to a girl and like, she will try to dismiss you and you have to get past that.

00;58;08;27 - 00;58;23;11
Speaker 2
Like that is that is. Yeah. That is a thing. Even I got some aunts and uncles where you heard a story. You be like, what? How does even happen? Because you have the aunt like just I mean playing mock my uncle out being like, no, why would I date a guy like you? You you nasty.

00;58;23;12 - 00;58;24;26
Speaker 3
Shoes.

00;58;24;28 - 00;58;34;29
Speaker 2
And then like, he got to come back with some witty this and then enough to be like, wear down and like, all right, well, I mean, if you can deal with this, then. Yeah, I mean, I guess maybe it'd be married for like 20 plus years.

00;58;35;00 - 00;58;43;01
Speaker 1
Well, yeah, that's exactly the same shit. But, like, if you put that, in the time and date that we are living right now in Berlin.

00;58;43;01 - 00;58;43;21
Speaker 2
Oh, yeah. No, it'd be.

00;58;43;21 - 00;58;50;04
Speaker 1
Crazy that that's the crazy shit to do if, like, I wouldn't go to someone twice in Berlin for asking for a lighter.

00;58;50;04 - 00;58;51;21
Speaker 3
I actually, I think maybe out here.

00;58;51;21 - 00;59;08;19
Speaker 2
I would imagine it worse because, I, I've talked to some people from my culture that are more like the guys are more straight forward a very like, you know, like, say, I think there's one dude he's like from somewhere in Latin America or whatever. I mean, like, he's doing great out here, but just because no one approaches out here.

00;59;08;20 - 00;59;19;10
Speaker 3
Yeah, exactly. Like anyways, so how you doing? Like, oh, my God, you look great guy like you shoes not blah blah. And she's like oh thank you. You like yeah. No because know you just keep on going and then full potential.

00;59;19;10 - 00;59;30;04
Speaker 2
No one's doing that out here. So for her she's just like oh my this is the this is I never had an out of app experience. Let's go. And for him he's just like this is like how talk.

00;59;30;07 - 00;59;46;07
Speaker 1
That's that's exactly what happened to me. Then when I came here to Germany, I was like, I would just go to a girl and be like, hey, you want to go grab coffee or something like as a date? And they would just say yes. And I was like, wow, this is so fucking straightforward and easy, bro. Like, you don't have to do all this bullshit.

00;59;46;07 - 00;59;52;01
Speaker 1
Go around the corner, come back again, have like other line practice in your head.

00;59;52;03 - 00;59;52;15
Speaker 3
I'm gonna.

00;59;52;15 - 01;00;11;22
Speaker 1
Hit there. This. I'm not gonna get together. and like, it was, it was great because same thing would happen even, like, further. like, I would be like, hey, you want a hookup or something? It would be a yes or no. So easy, so easy. So, like, I was like, wow, I 23 years in like Iran or in that situation, I was just like, fucking fucked.

01;00;11;22 - 01;00;21;24
Speaker 1
Like, because it's so hard to just like, get on the same level with the people because of all this acting and all this like on straight forwardness.

01;00;21;24 - 01;00;24;29
Speaker 3
I don't know, I just I'm straight for it. I mean, yeah.

01;00;25;00 - 01;00;27;20
Speaker 2
I think we got the gist of it. Yeah, it was not straight forward, but.

01;00;27;25 - 01;00;30;01
Speaker 3
Straight forward is an interesting one. Yeah.

01;00;30;01 - 01;00;43;08
Speaker 1
It's so I really loved that thing when I moved here and I like it was very like I felt it very easy to be just like having relations with people or just, like, hooking up because everyone was just so German, straight forward.

01;00;43;08 - 01;00;45;05
Speaker 2
Oh, use party going crazy, bro.

01;00;45;06 - 01;00;47;25
Speaker 1
Dude, I don't want to talk on the pass. No no no. Yeah.

01;00;48;02 - 01;00;50;05
Speaker 3
Sorry, Robert. Yeah. Let's just say you had.

01;00;50;05 - 01;00;51;10
Speaker 2
A very fun experience.

01;00;51;10 - 01;00;51;25
Speaker 3
Dude, I.

01;00;52;00 - 01;01;09;16
Speaker 1
Was eye opening. It was eye opening. Like. Like while it was like, I, I had, like, body count of. Like what? Like six, seven when I came here, which was a very high body count for Iran. And then I came here and it was just.

01;01;09;16 - 01;01;10;02
Speaker 2
Out of Berlin.

01;01;10;14 - 01;01;10;23
Speaker 1
no.

01;01;10;23 - 01;01;12;12
Speaker 3
Towards the. Yeah.

01;01;12;15 - 01;01;25;23
Speaker 1
And in the in the three years that I was there, I completely relived my 23 years in Iran with the sexual experiences, like maybe ten times more. It was crazy. Just like.

01;01;25;26 - 01;01;27;28
Speaker 2
And they saw you too. I mean, Middle Eastern, dude.

01;01;27;28 - 01;01;29;17
Speaker 3
I was a tall.

01;01;29;17 - 01;01;37;06
Speaker 1
Dude. I had this experience of people touching my hair. And then I heard that apparently it's a thing that happens to the more you guys.

01;01;37;06 - 01;01;37;17
Speaker 3
Yeah. As a.

01;01;37;17 - 01;01;38;05
Speaker 2
Black person.

01;01;38;15 - 01;01;40;02
Speaker 3
yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01;01;40;07 - 01;01;43;22
Speaker 1
And I didn't know that. I was like, yeah, touch it. But like, someone was like, why.

01;01;43;22 - 01;01;53;00
Speaker 3
Do you let this fuck you, didn't he, bro? You was living your life. I know why every time you want to suck my dick, that's when I was like. I was never hugged as a child, so this is great. I'll take this.

01;01;53;00 - 01;02;16;04
Speaker 1
Yeah. No. So also, it was a very small city. Was very, like white. even the students were all from over to Germany. We had internationals as there, but like, the fucking curly haired guy. And I had way longer hair when I was there. Do the homeless lady once talk to me in the train? Like I was even, like, attractive for homeless people to be like?

01;02;16;06 - 01;02;25;03
Speaker 1
She was like. And everyone would ask about my hair. Half of these motherfuckers were thinking, it's fake. I'm like, why would I walk around with fake hair on my head?

01;02;25;03 - 01;02;27;00
Speaker 2
Like I never seen some shit? Like, yeah.

01;02;27;00 - 01;02;38;07
Speaker 1
It's so this old, like this old. The crazy lady in the train. She was like, how do you comb your hair? I was like, of all the things that you could have asked me how they comb my. I was like, I don't comb my hair.

01;02;38;09 - 01;02;50;13
Speaker 3
And she was like, you should call me up. What the fuck? You know? Yeah, yeah. I was like, bitch, you don't even have hair like you never had you touching my hair. Never felt you. No. but.

01;02;50;13 - 01;03;07;00
Speaker 1
Like, it was crazy. And everyone, like, the weirdest thing was that I would be able to bar talking to some girl or something, and then some random dude would be just, like, touching my hair, like, look how cool it is to his. And like, with this girl and like that one time it it made me very mad. I was like, well, that's weird.

01;03;07;00 - 01;03;07;06
Speaker 2
Yeah.

01;03;07;07 - 01;03;29;02
Speaker 1
You want to suck my cock or something? And the funny thing is, like, I start very aggressive when something happens because it's a middle eastern tank, you got to just alpha this shit or you're going to lose. So but the funny thing is that nobody will ever fight physically in Germany as a true German. Germans love to just talk shit.

01;03;29;04 - 01;03;31;03
Speaker 2
Right? But Middle Eastern, would you say fighting?

01;03;31;07 - 01;03;32;04
Speaker 3
Yeah. You you.

01;03;32;07 - 01;03;33;26
Speaker 1
Start physically. So basically.

01;03;33;27 - 01;03;34;13
Speaker 3
Immediately.

01;03;34;13 - 01;03;55;20
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, you so you assert dominance basically because it's, it's a, it's a rough culture. It's a rough environment. Everything. But here like you never see Germans even at their highest or drunkest moment, fucking grabbing each other's like, throats or something, trying to throw a fist. It's very American thing. Or like, let's say Middle Eastern thing as well.

01;03;56;04 - 01;04;12;18
Speaker 1
here, people just fucking shout at each other and say random fucking curses to each other and that's it. That's how they get off and they walk away. It's fucked up, bro. If I do that to someone, I would be thinking about it for two days that I would have fucking punch his face rather than like calling him the motherfucker here.

01;04;12;18 - 01;04;19;05
Speaker 1
They just call you like you fucking fought like a cunt or something, and you just walk by or, like, tell you two more things, like, son of a bitch.

01;04;19;09 - 01;04;20;08
Speaker 3
That's it.

01;04;20;10 - 01;04;41;14
Speaker 1
That's it. Right. So I turn to this guy and I was like, what? Submodel fucker. Like, you want to suck my cock. So I just, like, switch English. And then he got so scared in front of his girl, he was like, no, no, no, you have very nice hair. I was just, I was like, so what? Like. And I did this and he got.

01;04;41;14 - 01;04;51;05
Speaker 1
So he just walked out. He just walked out of the bar with his girl. It was absolutely crazy, man. I felt so strong. But I was also like, wow, you have to act more civilized in this guy.

01;04;51;05 - 01;04;52;29
Speaker 3
It was funny, though, is because.

01;04;53;08 - 01;05;03;15
Speaker 2
you know, they got parodies on, on TV, like comedy where, like people from the Middle East or certain other cultures, like the way you curse also might be weird. Like what? Some shit motherfucker.

01;05;03;16 - 01;05;19;19
Speaker 3
You want to suck up from the bad, But he was like, look, bro, I did. Yeah, yeah, it was even I just stepped off my shoes and I just had a slight problem about it. I did not want to look. Yeah yeah yeah yeah, yeah. I think I sort of think that it's actually.

01;05;19;19 - 01;05;29;09
Speaker 2
Yeah I think a, a guy from Iran or maybe there's a s he comes up Persian and he uses that he had like the joke about this or so.

01;05;29;14 - 01;05;31;26
Speaker 1
Yeah. So it's, it's it comes off naturally.

01;05;32;02 - 01;05;35;07
Speaker 3
Yeah. But like the, it's just the curse.

01;05;35;07 - 01;05;40;09
Speaker 2
And now be like in a way that you just peace in a lot of bad stuff. But in a weird way. Yeah.

01;05;40;09 - 01;05;42;21
Speaker 1
It's, it's layers to the curses for us as well.

01;05;42;21 - 01;05;46;20
Speaker 2
So but the layers are uneven. It's like the layers like very thick here. But it's.

01;05;46;22 - 01;05;47;09
Speaker 3
Thin here.

01;05;47;09 - 01;05;48;06
Speaker 2
And and thick again and.

01;05;48;06 - 01;05;49;24
Speaker 3
Wide.

01;05;49;27 - 01;05;52;10
Speaker 2
And like a piece of cheesy. But what is going on?

01;05;52;10 - 01;06;02;26
Speaker 1
It has to be difficult for us always. Like it's even in the like in the Middle Eastern curses or for us, for in Iran, like the curses we have. It's like sometimes it's very specific. It's crazy.

01;06;02;26 - 01;06;09;14
Speaker 2
Like, what's one, what's one, Iranian curse word that's used a lot or your favorite.

01;06;09;17 - 01;06;15;13
Speaker 1
So that one thing that I realized that is in the English culture, you don't have the sister fucker that much.

01;06;15;16 - 01;06;17;20
Speaker 2
That's in a lot of I heard this in a couple of places.

01;06;17;20 - 01;06;28;17
Speaker 1
Yeah. So we have a lot of sister fucking curses because your mother is already getting fucked by your dad. Nobody cares about that, right? So if I want to hit you hard with curses, I'll go.

01;06;28;17 - 01;06;29;00
Speaker 3
After your.

01;06;29;00 - 01;06;31;22
Speaker 1
Virgin sister. That's the shit.

01;06;31;25 - 01;06;32;15
Speaker 2
Oh, shit.

01;06;32;15 - 01;06;33;12
Speaker 3
Yeah. So it gets.

01;06;33;12 - 01;06;35;21
Speaker 1
Very dark suddenly. You know.

01;06;35;23 - 01;06;36;02
Speaker 3
It.

01;06;36;02 - 01;06;47;16
Speaker 1
Gets very dark. So it's like they people really curse when they curse you. It has fucking layers that it hits your family like your bloodline, rather than just like, fuck you or something, you know?

01;06;47;16 - 01;06;51;08
Speaker 3
Bloodline, deep curse. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dark. Yeah.

01;06;51;08 - 01;07;09;09
Speaker 1
It's very dark. Yeah, it's crazy, but it's just like, it's fun to use all these words as a teenager because you get this fucking vocabulary that you have never used before. And you suddenly learn that at school, and it's so many layers off. And as a fucking teenage boy, you love this fucking kind of edgy shit you just throw this at.

01;07;09;09 - 01;07;16;16
Speaker 1
Everyone is crazy. And, once, actually, we were going to get beaten by just saying this.

01;07;16;16 - 01;07;18;21
Speaker 2
I mean, because this is the fuck. Yeah.

01;07;18;24 - 01;07;37;19
Speaker 1
We were just saying there was this big guy and he heard us. We were like, so we started school. So we were just like, dropping it, like. Just like it's a fucking n word, you know, just going around, like just being whatever. And then this guy just fucking came after us. So we had to start running and shit in the streets because, like, we were kids and like.

01;07;37;21 - 01;07;38;15
Speaker 2
Yeah, man, you know.

01;07;38;16 - 01;07;40;27
Speaker 1
He was like, I'm going to fuck your sisters. And we were like, oh.

01;07;40;27 - 01;07;43;14
Speaker 3
Shit, this is that. This guy can actually. Yeah, he said.

01;07;43;16 - 01;07;45;00
Speaker 2
Iranian version of the N word.

01;07;45;00 - 01;07;46;23
Speaker 3
Yeah, exactly. JSB yeah, exactly.

01;07;46;25 - 01;08;03;00
Speaker 1
Exactly, exactly. So we have a few of those, but like, that's, that's why when we curse in English as well, it comes off as these different layers because we try to be creative in English with our background, in our own curses.

01;08;03;02 - 01;08;08;08
Speaker 3
Oh, okay. That makes okay. Yeah. Even when you.

01;08;08;08 - 01;08;10;12
Speaker 2
Told me the story, he was like, well, you all suck. My God. I was like.

01;08;10;19 - 01;08;12;05
Speaker 3
Whoa,

01;08;12;07 - 01;08;13;07
Speaker 1
So it comes.

01;08;13;07 - 01;08;14;06
Speaker 3
So yeah, we.

01;08;14;07 - 01;08;33;16
Speaker 1
It's it's kind of an integrated curse, kind of thing. I don't know how to say it, but. Yeah, because if I want to translate our own curses, it wouldn't make sense that much. But I have to put the same vibe and say some other English things that would be similar to what I would say in my own language to make the same effect.

01;08;33;18 - 01;08;36;00
Speaker 1
Right? Basically, that's that's what I try now.

01;08;36;03 - 01;08;53;07
Speaker 2
Okay. So I have to ask you, right. Because you, you've made some videos. you you're this, I think I what video was a this is a video I saw and I think in the comments you guys are mentioning, do you the other person did this video where there's a different scene Persian, Iranian.

01;08;53;09 - 01;08;58;14
Speaker 3
Middle Eastern, I don't know, there's like some it's it's it's,

01;08;58;16 - 01;09;00;06
Speaker 1
This is, this is going to be a hook for a.

01;09;00;06 - 01;09;04;00
Speaker 3
Lot of people who like this stuff. oh. So I think it's like it's the same.

01;09;04;01 - 01;09;09;06
Speaker 1
I believe that. So the thing is, like, I'm not going to get that deep into it, but,

01;09;09;08 - 01;09;10;22
Speaker 2
Say you identify as I.

01;09;10;22 - 01;09;35;22
Speaker 1
Identify as Persian. Right? But it's also I can say I'm Iranian. It's the same thing. Now, the problem is that it used to be called Persia until the Second World War or a little before that. So it's not that long that it turned to Iran. Right? so it used to be called Persia from the Persian Empire. So that's why if you say I'm Persian, any any nationality has a Persian word like in German, this position, English is Persian.

01;09;35;22 - 01;10;01;05
Speaker 1
So everyone knows what's a Persian. Right? And now it's you can say I'm Iranian because, the thing is that a lot of people say Persian is just a one race in all these races that live in Iran, because we have courts, we have talks, we have like, mixed Arabs. we have it's a big country. So we have a lot of different nationalities like, gene pools basically, and like ethnicities living there.

01;10;01;17 - 01;10;29;10
Speaker 1
and Persians were one of the first ones and main ones. Right. So that's why the country was called Persia or the Persian Empire. But technically you can say I'm Persian unless you are like Kurdish or Turkish or something else in Iran, then you can identify as Iranian because now as Iranian, we are all from Iran. If you say I'm Persian, you might people might feel that you are telling that, from that specific part of Iran that was known to be Persian.

01;10;29;12 - 01;10;31;19
Speaker 2
Okay, that makes sense. They actually.

01;10;31;19 - 01;10;34;00
Speaker 3
Make but the reason that.

01;10;34;02 - 01;10;57;13
Speaker 1
We use it as Persians outside of Iran is that we don't want to say we are Iranians, because that brings more thought to middle East and, the Islamic Republic of Iran. So we call ourselves Persian. So we try to dissociate ourselves from the Islamic Republic of Iran by saying we are Persian, not Iranian. so we are trying to act cool, but it's the same thing.

01;10;57;15 - 01;10;59;18
Speaker 1
It's you are from fucking Iran. Doesn't make.

01;10;59;18 - 01;10;59;27
Speaker 3
Sense.

01;10;59;27 - 01;11;23;24
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah. So back home, I don't say I'm Persian. If you say I'm Persian in Iran, people will laugh at your face. What the fuck? Like I was trying to be, like, hypocritical. We are all Persian, right? But like outside, it's the. The word has a vibe for us. Persian outside of Iran. Then you use it when you say I'm Persian, I'll say if Iran looks like fucking LA guys, gold chains, hair, BMW is that kind of shit?

01;11;23;26 - 01;11;29;00
Speaker 1
Yeah, but when you say, Iran brings the fucking mullahs suddenly to the oh, okay.

01;11;29;00 - 01;11;31;10
Speaker 2
So the association from each of those things.

01;11;31;10 - 01;11;33;09
Speaker 3
Yeah. So yeah, that makes sense.

01;11;33;09 - 01;11;45;25
Speaker 1
Yeah. Also because, our people are very stupidly nationalist. I'm going to say this out loud, although a lot of people wouldn't like it, but we are very nationalist. And that's just ridiculous because it doesn't make sense.

01;11;46;07 - 01;11;46;21
Speaker 3
it leads.

01;11;46;21 - 01;12;05;06
Speaker 1
To fascism in the end. so everyone wants to dissociate themselves from Middle East as well. So that's why they're like, we are Persian. You're not Arabs. It's true. We are not Arabs. It's a different race, right? But in the end, we are all Middle East. And when you come to the Western wars between me and my Syrian friends, there is no fucking distinguishing between the white person.

01;12;05;06 - 01;12;09;16
Speaker 1
It's looking at us. We are both Middle-Eastern guys, so interesting.

01;12;09;16 - 01;12;28;05
Speaker 2
And that's almost like the same as, like in America being black, white, you know, that, black can mean. So, like, you know, for me, I'm. I'm black, right? Like black person. Black. but all my family are from, like, Liberia, like West Africa. So it's like this thing where. But then I grew up in America, right? So the way I talk, the way I move x, y, z.

01;12;28;05 - 01;12;43;07
Speaker 2
Yes. Yeah. But I actually have family in Liberia. So it's like an interesting thing sometimes where if, you know, in general, somebody sees me to where I talk, I'm like, oh yeah, you blind do for America. But then if I start talking to, like I say, African people here, then I'm like, oh yeah, what Africa are you from?

01;12;43;09 - 01;13;06;02
Speaker 1
But it's here. It's also different. It's because here we don't have like in the US, African Americans are I'm not going to call it native people, but you guys have been around for a while. So like you build the country, you are part of the, population. Yeah. African Americans. But like in Europe you don't have that population, especially in Germany, you have it in France or Netherlands.

01;13;06;05 - 01;13;20;22
Speaker 1
But like when you see when two black dudes meet here in Berlin, they always think somebody is coming from Africa, not really the US. That's why they ask the African, like, which part of Africa you're from. Yeah, because here we get migration from Africa rather than more from the US.

01;13;20;22 - 01;13;26;01
Speaker 2
Yeah. And there's so many other, more funner countries to go to than Germany.

01;13;26;04 - 01;13;26;23
Speaker 1
Obviously.

01;13;26;23 - 01;13;29;28
Speaker 3
Yeah I do, I had to.

01;13;29;28 - 01;13;42;09
Speaker 1
Two friends that we studied together. They came here from Nigeria. After they finished, they were like, fuck this place. We are out. they bounce so hard. Like right after they got the degrees, they both went to the U.S they were like, fuck this.

01;13;42;12 - 01;13;43;14
Speaker 3
Oh yeah, yeah.

01;13;43;16 - 01;13;47;03
Speaker 2
Yeah. Every time people ask me like, yo, why here? I'm just like, oh yeah.

01;13;47;03 - 01;13;51;20
Speaker 3
Because, you know, like I know, like, yeah. But then what was, what about.

01;13;51;21 - 01;13;55;05
Speaker 2
The other countries always like, yo, what about France? Other places? Like what's going on?

01;13;55;06 - 01;14;06;21
Speaker 1
Yeah. No. For me, honestly, if it wasn't for the stand up, the amount of stand up that we have, it's very, like, nice. So if I want to move somewhere, I have to find the same amount of stand up that I can do.

01;14;06;26 - 01;14;10;16
Speaker 2
Do you really a standup thing? You really fell for it. I mean, yeah, from Iran.

01;14;10;16 - 01;14;26;15
Speaker 1
Yeah. Just doing something that like, dude, we had we don't have stand up comedy in Iran now they have started to copy the West and they are doing some random online videos. You don't you can't really have a stand up show in Iran. Whatever you say that is controversial. They're going to fucking come and arrest you right away.

01;14;26;17 - 01;14;47;20
Speaker 1
Right? So you can't really you have to sit. And the other thing is, like in our culture, it's not nice to say, for example, fuck shit cunt outside. it's like very, very bad to curse or say roots stuff. So you can't even make, like, feisty jokes or like bisexual or something because you have to speak behind the curtains the whole time.

01;14;47;23 - 01;14;57;00
Speaker 1
Just have fucking, make a parody out of it or something to it's, it's so it has to be PG 13, basically. Which is annoying.

01;14;57;05 - 01;14;58;06
Speaker 2
That is crazy.

01;14;58;06 - 01;15;10;02
Speaker 1
Yeah. So doing this here was something that I never thought I would be doing in my life. and honestly, it feels great. Doesn't matter if you bomb or kill, it's just doing it. It's just a feeling.

01;15;10;02 - 01;15;13;28
Speaker 2
Yeah. So you were. Yeah. You really love it. And then you do a PhD. you know, so the.

01;15;13;28 - 01;15;19;19
Speaker 1
Work is just to pay until I can leave it and then do the comedy and then see what.

01;15;19;19 - 01;15;27;11
Speaker 2
Happens. Yeah. I mean, but a lot of people who've been in those, like, professions, like, those higher level professions have done those transitions. So, you know.

01;15;27;11 - 01;15;38;15
Speaker 1
Well, the thing is like, being a brown person in a, in a white country, you can never, like, follow your dream dreams. You have to follow your second dream.

01;15;38;18 - 01;15;39;00
Speaker 3
I guess.

01;15;39;00 - 01;15;58;24
Speaker 1
Because you have to have for I've been here nine years, right? I had to have student visa and work visa and all this shit. And you have to prepare documents. You have to have a job, you have to have an income. Following your dreams means that necessarily you wouldn't have enough money in the beginning. imagine doing just art.

01;15;58;24 - 01;16;15;28
Speaker 1
Whatever kind of art, music, stand up painting, you still, you have to do it for a few years until you can sell your art. Yeah. So I had to always work and do some other job. And basically I came here to do the science. I love. That shit is crazy as well. I love it because it's creative.

01;16;16;00 - 01;16;33;22
Speaker 1
I like, it's completely different than comedy, but it is as creative as this shit because we just play around with like whatever material that we have to do, find new shit and stuff. And it's feels like when you play around with a bit in comedy, add something and you're like, oh, this is nice tag. Oh it works.

01;16;33;22 - 01;16;47;24
Speaker 1
I'm going to keep it. So it's very creative as well. You can do a lot in science. That's why I liked it. And then comedy, it's just like something that I was like, God damn it, I've always loved like, sitcoms. Because that's the thing in Iran we have sitcoms.

01;16;49;00 - 01;17;07;27
Speaker 1
And I was like, fuck yeah. I can just like, say the random shit that I want. there's people for it. Yeah. And then I was like, after a while I was like, damn, I want to do this and make money out of it, because this is it's like you, you do the thing that you love and you make money off it.

01;17;07;27 - 01;17;18;14
Speaker 1
That's the best thing you can do. Basically. So in order to do that shit, you have to sacrifice a few years to make money off another job, or sell your fucking kidneys or whatever.

01;17;18;14 - 01;17;19;17
Speaker 3
This,

01;17;19;19 - 01;17;45;20
Speaker 1
Is either this or that. So I decided to continue and stay in the science one build build more material, go around. I've been touring and stuff, so it's fine. but then I want to just suddenly drop that and then hardcore pick up comedy at some point. so that's, that's going to take it another 1 or 2 years to really make sure that I have as a brown person in Europe, I have enough investments so I can stay here.

01;17;45;22 - 01;18;03;17
Speaker 1
So now I have my German passport, so I don't give a fuck. But until now I had to secure myself financially to be able to stay here. but now that I'm technically white, I can just. I can have dreams and I my dream is to do,

01;18;03;19 - 01;18;04;21
Speaker 3
We white. Yeah.

01;18;04;23 - 01;18;09;06
Speaker 2
I mean, you got a German passport and, Yeah. So you actually, you can now follow your dreams.

01;18;09;06 - 01;18;18;23
Speaker 1
Yes. I can be more relaxed, actually. It just not worry about all this and that. Because now I feel like, even, like if I kill someone, I feel like I'm German based.

01;18;18;23 - 01;18;21;25
Speaker 3
Like I'll be in a German jail with a bunch.

01;18;21;25 - 01;18;24;08
Speaker 1
Of white people. I'll be this strong. One is just gonna.

01;18;24;08 - 01;18;27;04
Speaker 2
You know, do release me now. I'll be asking people for far too.

01;18;27;08 - 01;18;29;20
Speaker 3
Yeah, exactly. Exactly, exactly.

01;18;29;22 - 01;18;36;12
Speaker 1
So that's the thing. So now I feel like, more relaxed. And I'm like, okay, now it's time to do more of the comedy.

01;18;36;29 - 01;18;56;29
Speaker 2
Okay, so one last question I'd like to ask everyone who's on the podcast or now have been asking is that you've been through a lot of different cultures, right. Even the culture in Iran. I mean, no, in the city you is in, which is like a very holy place. Yes. very strict. And then you move to the coasts with more liberal, you know, alcohol, pills in it or whatever.

01;18;57;14 - 01;19;09;07
Speaker 2
then you went to, Wurzburg, Germany. That was like your first experience. You went crazy, you know, body count water. then you came to Berlin, which I saw. I mean, that's a shot. Crazy.

01;19;09;14 - 01;19;15;08
Speaker 1
Yes. Well, I would say I had a cultural shock when I moved to Berlin rather than when I moved towards work.

01;19;15;10 - 01;19;16;13
Speaker 2
Oh, okay. Can you talk.

01;19;16;13 - 01;19;17;05
Speaker 3
A. Yeah. Yeah.

01;19;17;05 - 01;19;35;19
Speaker 1
So it was crazy because there it was a small German city, right? Everything was like in the, in the movies, as I expected. Oh, say, behind the red light descend. But then I came to Berlin. I was like, bro, what the fuck is happening in the street here? Like, who are these people? Like, I was super. I was like, wow.

01;19;35;23 - 01;19;50;02
Speaker 1
Like, especially like I'm a, I'm a stoner. So I was like, wow, people are smoking in the street. Nobody gives a fuck. Wow, look at this guy dressed like that. Look at this guy dressed like this. Because back in that city, people would look at you and judge you. Like I would wear a bandanna and people would think like, I'm selling weed.

01;19;50;02 - 01;20;12;15
Speaker 1
I got stopped by cops like twice, got search because I was just wearing a bandana in that city. Right. But here I was like, wow, people are fucking rolling at the restaurant outside. Like sitting. Just stare. And like, the whole openness, the whole like. Or you can do whatever you want. Berlin is a place that like, I picked comedy, but you can pick anything that you want to do, and there is a community and society for it, which is crazy.

01;20;12;22 - 01;20;35;15
Speaker 1
So that was very like shocking for me that, wow, all this like because back there it was just like a small German vibe with some international students. I didn't really get the feeling of like that. I moved because I moved from a small city in Iran that was free to a small city in Germany that was free, like to do stuff, and it looked the same.

01;20;35;15 - 01;20;49;25
Speaker 1
We had the same river. So I was like, okay, I'm just speaking English, have having more sex, but wives are the same people. They're like judgy people. They're homophobic. There were like small city vibes, right? then you come here and you're like, wow.

01;20;50;02 - 01;20;51;06
Speaker 2
it's a very different.

01;20;51;06 - 01;20;52;15
Speaker 3
Yeah. It's different.

01;20;52;21 - 01;20;59;21
Speaker 1
and then after six months, you're like, I think I'm gay.

01;20;59;23 - 01;21;03;06
Speaker 3
Oh, shit. There's a name, like. Yeah, I think,

01;21;03;08 - 01;21;04;11
Speaker 2
I thought I knew myself, but.

01;21;04;11 - 01;21;05;01
Speaker 3
Yeah, yeah.

01;21;05;03 - 01;21;09;06
Speaker 1
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Then you come to where you see shit and you're like, well, yeah.

01;21;09;09 - 01;21;19;07
Speaker 2
Wow. So with all the changes you've been through and everything, what would you give your younger self like in terms of advice to go through all these different like cultural differences and, you know.

01;21;19;10 - 01;21;20;21
Speaker 1
Wear a condom.

01;21;20;24 - 01;21;29;16
Speaker 3
What.

01;21;30;10 - 01;21;39;10
Speaker 3
I mean, that is some like, you can't discount that. That is good advice. yeah. Yeah, yeah. All right. So we're kind of,

01;21;39;12 - 01;21;45;16
Speaker 1
No, but, besides, seriously, though, all the cultures I've been through, sexually.

01;21;45;16 - 01;21;46;22
Speaker 3
Yeah. maybe.

01;21;46;23 - 01;22;00;10
Speaker 1
Protect yourself from some cultures. but, no, I would say just do the same shit, man. Honestly, just like, what kind of advice would you like? What? What do you mean when you say what what what I would say, like,

01;22;00;13 - 01;22;28;03
Speaker 2
Not even advice. Maybe something you would just say or something like, you know, I feel like, as a person have gone to different cultures, like, you know, it's their culture talk, their culture, kids that you there's usually something that you're dealing with that's different, like you dealing with some type of conflict within yourself. Right? Yeah. So, for example, you know, with me growing up in America, but then still having like, the West African culture, I there's a lot of things I was dealing with, you know, like the food I did like, what's that?

01;22;28;03 - 01;22;30;05
Speaker 2
Is that are you are you eating Dukie or something?

01;22;30;05 - 01;22;31;10
Speaker 3
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

01;22;31;15 - 01;22;37;27
Speaker 2
Or maybe I had an accent when I was growing up, so, like, dealing with that and not knowing how to.

01;22;37;29 - 01;22;44;10
Speaker 1
So, I got what you said I would tell myself the younger self, maybe before coming to Germany, that.

01;22;46;08 - 01;22;58;03
Speaker 1
People are stupid and don't take it seriously, because my experience, for example, with the culturally different stuff was that when I come when I came here early on, people would ask me a lot of ridiculous questions. Right.

01;22;58;22 - 01;23;28;12
Speaker 1
Oh. Does your mother drive like very silly questions. Right. So you would see some random like everyone thought like the whole Middle East is just like a al-Qaida party. Like it's just the whole thing is under one tent. We are all like riding one camel. There is like it's a stupid questions. Right? So and the way I learned to approach this was not to take it personally and get offended like a white person, be like, oh, I feel like, you know, like triggered or something.

01;23;28;14 - 01;23;41;13
Speaker 1
But I try to educate these people. and I would try to just keep my cool and calm and actually tell them that it's different and then make them apologize to me because of that, because they feel stupid. Now.

01;23;41;27 - 01;23;42;14
Speaker 3
okay.

01;23;42;21 - 01;23;52;22
Speaker 1
So, for example, if someone would be like, like I, I had this thing with my mom driving, and that was one of my things because my mom is the best driver I've ever seen. My mom drives better than my dad.

01;23;52;22 - 01;23;52;29
Speaker 2
Like, it's.

01;23;52;29 - 01;24;14;01
Speaker 1
Crazy, right? And, like, we've been driving around, it's been a thing. Like, it's not like Saudi Arabia or something. Women have always been driving in Iran, right? So, I would be telling the story to my German roommates, and I'd be like, oh, yeah, my mom used to drive us to school, and your mom drives and stuff, and then I would be like, yeah, actually, like, my mom is a better driver.

01;24;14;01 - 01;24;27;16
Speaker 1
The majority fucking women drive more than men because men are at work. So women are taking kids to school and stuff, and then they would be like, oh, that's cool. I'm very sorry. I didn't know that. And so and yeah, shit like that.

01;24;27;17 - 01;24;28;24
Speaker 2
I'm not gonna lie. I didn't know that either.

01;24;28;24 - 01;24;51;06
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah. So then but then it would turn into an intellectual conversation that they would learn something. And the next time someone of their friends make a silly joke about this kind of factor, they would be like, no, actually, women in Iran drive a lot, so it's not like that. So I would just try to give them knowledge and make them feel ignorant.

01;24;51;08 - 01;24;51;27
Speaker 3
Yeah.

01;24;51;29 - 01;24;54;09
Speaker 1
So that was that would be the thing. Yeah.

01;24;54;09 - 01;24;58;10
Speaker 2
I'm not gonna lie. That's not a very aggressive, I'm gonna make them ignorant so they learn.

01;24;58;10 - 01;25;00;18
Speaker 3
Yeah. But like, it's better, it's better than.

01;25;00;18 - 01;25;15;21
Speaker 1
It's better than going, like, no, motherfucker. Everyone drives in Iran. What do you mean? Like, does your mother drive? You know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you can either do it like that and have a negative effect, or let them learn and enjoy also statistically, from their.

01;25;15;24 - 01;25;17;03
Speaker 2
So this is.

01;25;17;05 - 01;25;20;11
Speaker 3
Wow, such a poetic way of saying, yeah to let.

01;25;20;11 - 01;25;22;01
Speaker 2
Them or sadistically their ignorance.

01;25;22;04 - 01;25;22;16
Speaker 3
Which they.

01;25;22;22 - 01;25;24;03
Speaker 2
Got from their sister that it is.

01;25;24;04 - 01;25;30;02
Speaker 3
Like sister fucker bastard.

01;25;30;04 - 01;25;38;13
Speaker 3
He did it. Fucking sister. So I like this man. I respect oh, shit. Yo. Wow.

01;25;40;14 - 01;26;06;04
Speaker 2
yeah, I think you even just saying that is what makes it important about people sharing a just life. Cultural things they've been through. Like, you know, with Iran, you know, come from America. Obviously, a lot of propaganda where it's all exactly, so just hearing like, yeah, life and everything I think is very important just because, you know, it sound like a, you know, aside from some of the restrictions and, and then and the cultural stuff is sound like a regular life to some extent, even to other people in other cultures.

01;26;06;11 - 01;26;07;08
Speaker 3
Oh, yeah. Yeah, it.

01;26;07;08 - 01;26;27;10
Speaker 1
Is. In the end, there are 70, 80 million people living there. Right? But as I said in the beginning, what is the meaning of what is living living for them? It's here. Living for us. Here. It's like it's just like the level of living is different. Everyone is breathing and making money and getting food on the table. What's the food they are eating or how are they getting the food?

01;26;27;15 - 01;26;30;21
Speaker 1
It's that's that's what's different. And like the amount of food.

01;26;30;28 - 01;26;34;18
Speaker 2
Oh yeah. Everyone has a table. Everyone has some food somehow.

01;26;34;20 - 01;26;36;08
Speaker 3
How big is how much food?

01;26;36;15 - 01;26;41;26
Speaker 1
Sky is blue everywhere, as they say. But it's just like, what are you doing underneath that sky? That's the thing.

01;26;41;29 - 01;26;42;18
Speaker 2
That's a good.

01;26;42;18 - 01;26;45;12
Speaker 3
Ass, All right. this is the.

01;26;45;15 - 01;26;46;04
Speaker 1
Part coming up.

01;26;46;08 - 01;26;51;04
Speaker 3
Yeah. I'll probably do another podcast. Okay. I need to get to the part I might have. Might be.

01;26;51;04 - 01;26;53;27
Speaker 2
Oh, I don't know. You might talk to me about fat rats.

01;26;53;27 - 01;26;55;16
Speaker 3
And also. Yeah, yeah, we.

01;26;55;17 - 01;26;57;06
Speaker 2
Even get to that part. Fat mouse.

01;26;57;06 - 01;26;58;02
Speaker 3
Is nice.

01;26;58;04 - 01;27;04;04
Speaker 2
Or the, you know, the testing. You guys do that. but that's all that maybe that's like another time or something.

01;27;04;04 - 01;27;06;14
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah, a science episode. We do a science.

01;27;06;17 - 01;27;09;03
Speaker 2
Yes. Science episode of engineering before, you know.

01;27;09;03 - 01;27;11;17
Speaker 1
Yeah, we can do some deep, nerdy talks.

01;27;11;20 - 01;27;23;09
Speaker 2
I I'm not going to lie to you. I'll be one of those people if you start talking and there's, like, some type of science. Oh, but what about this? But then how about this in the market? so that's cool. Yeah, I have to create a science episode, about it.

01;27;23;09 - 01;27;24;04
Speaker 3
That would be cool. Yeah.

01;27;24;05 - 01;27;26;23
Speaker 2
Oh, you know, I will put on a suit and tie and I'll.

01;27;26;23 - 01;27;27;19
Speaker 1
Bring my lab coat.

01;27;27;22 - 01;27;28;12
Speaker 3
Yeah.

01;27;28;14 - 01;27;29;28
Speaker 2
Yeah, I actually, I'm not.

01;27;29;28 - 01;27;31;00
Speaker 3
Got that. Yeah, I got a.

01;27;31;00 - 01;27;32;19
Speaker 2
Nice little weird blazer here. Yeah.

01;27;32;19 - 01;27;38;16
Speaker 1
That's cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So maybe I can bring you a lab coat as well. But I have to steal it from the lab. But I can do it if.

01;27;38;16 - 01;27;40;22
Speaker 3
You if you, if you wear it.

01;27;40;25 - 01;27;43;17
Speaker 2
I, I would wear it, bro. If you steal it, I mean, yeah, of course I got to wear it.

01;27;43;17 - 01;27;44;05
Speaker 3
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01;27;44;05 - 01;27;48;29
Speaker 1
You can do this. silly lab. Because to bring some tools as well put here.

01;27;49;02 - 01;27;52;25
Speaker 3
Oh some beakers bro. That. Oh man. Love. All right. Yeah.

01;27;52;25 - 01;28;02;18
Speaker 2
You know me. I mean, this idea, like somebody or something, I want you. Let's fucking go. So. All right, baby, maybe you guys want to get a lab call. You might say that I'm cool and you say crush.

01;28;02;20 - 01;28;03;09
Speaker 1
Crush.

01;28;03;11 - 01;28;03;27
Speaker 3
Crush.

01;28;03;27 - 01;28;15;12
Speaker 1
Yeah, the. But I stopped correcting people after the first two months I lived abroad because, for some reason, it's a little hard to pronounce for different people. And I don't care. Really?

01;28;15;19 - 01;28;15;27
Speaker 3
Yeah.

01;28;15;28 - 01;28;26;21
Speaker 1
We know each other. That's what matters. you know, you know, as a version of my name. Yeah. And that's more than enough to remember because it's hard name for a lot of people. So. But it's Kourosh.

01;28;26;26 - 01;28;27;22
Speaker 3
Kourosh. Yeah. Yeah.

01;28;27;22 - 01;28;36;19
Speaker 1
But like, in German they say different. The American friends, they always say it like, similar to you because apparently the way I write it reads differently.

01;28;37;25 - 01;28;38;06
Speaker 3
okay.

01;28;38;06 - 01;28;44;28
Speaker 1
But I don't care, man, I don't care. as long as we know each other like, that's that's all I care.

01;28;45;00 - 01;28;46;05
Speaker 3
All right. Cool. Yeah.

01;28;46;08 - 01;28;49;16
Speaker 2
As long as long, you know, I'm a long. I'm in the.

01;28;49;16 - 01;28;51;26
Speaker 3
Lines. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah.

01;28;51;26 - 01;28;55;22
Speaker 1
I want there is a K and a share in the end. The middle part, I don't care.

01;28;55;22 - 01;28;57;05
Speaker 3
I like whole. Yeah, yeah.

01;28;57;07 - 01;28;58;22
Speaker 2
Well, okay, that's a little crazy.

01;28;58;22 - 01;28;59;07
Speaker 3
Yeah.

01;28;59;07 - 01;29;17;27
Speaker 1
That's why I always introduce myself a few times on the stage. And I do the name bit. So make sure people if, if the host says it wrong, I say it right. And it has happened that the few times I had the American hosts, other places that I do like in Barcelona, for example, and afterwards the guy was like, oh my God, I didn't know how to pronounce your name.

01;29;17;27 - 01;29;20;08
Speaker 1
You should have told me. I was like, dude, I don't matter.

01;29;20;09 - 01;29;21;14
Speaker 2
Yeah, same what they would be like.

01;29;21;14 - 01;29;23;26
Speaker 3
Yeah, yeah. I was like, whoa, what?

01;29;23;28 - 01;29;28;05
Speaker 1
Dude, the first time I saw your name on the line, I was like, who's this rapper guy? And invite a.

01;29;28;05 - 01;29;37;11
Speaker 3
Like. Why? And why and mean. That's hilarious.

01;29;37;16 - 01;29;39;27
Speaker 2
Yeah. If you see that, it be like, whoa.

01;29;39;28 - 01;29;40;05
Speaker 3
Yeah.

01;29;40;05 - 01;29;43;20
Speaker 1
Because like, you check the profile, you're like, oh, it's a black dude. Yeah.

01;29;43;20 - 01;29;45;20
Speaker 3
Okay. It's it's a stage name.

01;29;45;23 - 01;29;57;00
Speaker 2
The last name that when the last name comes out black. Okay. There's no. Yeah, I definitely, Yeah. Yeah. That's right. Yeah, yeah. Well I'll be like, yeah, I have fucking do it. I'm going to say it wrong anyway. Let's walk.

01;29;57;01 - 01;30;01;26
Speaker 3
The stage. Yeah, yeah. And I'm like yeah, yeah, yeah.

01;30;02;03 - 01;30;04;18
Speaker 2
Give it up for a sound of excitement.

01;30;04;21 - 01;30;08;00
Speaker 3
Can you. Yeah.

01;30;08;03 - 01;30;12;13
Speaker 2
But all right bro this is a good episode man. It's a good talk. glad we did it.

01;30;12;13 - 01;30;13;20
Speaker 1
Yeah. Thank you very much for having me.

01;30;13;20 - 01;30;16;05
Speaker 2
Maybe next time a PhD episode or so I.

01;30;16;07 - 01;30;18;11
Speaker 1
Bring lab rats and lab coats. Yeah.

01;30;18;17 - 01;30;19;28
Speaker 2
All right, so I didn't know.

01;30;19;28 - 01;30;20;07
Speaker 1
Rats.

01;30;20;07 - 01;30;20;15
Speaker 3
Yeah.

01;30;20;15 - 01;30;26;02
Speaker 2
God gave me traumatize about their city again. they're mice, baby, but rats.

01;30;26;05 - 01;30;27;15
Speaker 3
Oh, I don't know. Yeah.

01;30;27;16 - 01;30;31;16
Speaker 2
Oh, baby, you figured out it's still something. Yeah, but. bro, thank you very much.

01;30;31;16 - 01;30;32;21
Speaker 1
Thank you very much. It was cool.

01;30;32;24 - 01;30;33;09
Speaker 2
Yes.

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Speaker 1
We do DNA.

01;30;34;16 - 01;30;35;16
Speaker 2
Oh, no.

01;30;35;17 - 01;30;37;14
Speaker 3
Oh, do it, do fist.

01;30;37;14 - 01;30;47;25
Speaker 2
Bump. And I talk to the people. So guys, thank you very much for listening and or watching. This is your boy Ben hosted the third Call to Talk podcast. I see you guys in the next one. Peace.

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Speaker 1
Bye.