Being a Black Cowboy, Traveling for Comedy, and Small Town Roughness w/ Jordan MacDonald | Ep 67

I talk with Jordan MacDonald and we talk about his Texas upbringing as a cowboy, growing up in a small town that has bad spots, and how horses can be not so nice.

We also talk about his experience so far traveling to Europe for comedy, typecasting in acting, and more

Jordan MacDonald is a Texas-raised stand-up comedian known for his high-energy, observational humor that balances sharp wit with playful silliness. Touring globally, he’s performed at iconic venues like The Comedy Store, Hollywood Improv, comedy Club Haug, and Top Secret Comedy Club in the UK, while also appearing in Magic for Humans on Netflix, Alita: Battle Angel, Drunk History on Comedy Central, and receiving press coverage from the Edinburgh Fringe. Currently based overseas, Jordan continues to tour Europe—reaching audiences across Sweden, Germany, Spain, and beyond—captivating fans with his signature, thoughtful humor.

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Transcript

00;00;00;00 - 00;00;18;20
Unknown
I was raised on a Black Angus cattle ranch. Yeah, so I'm a literal cowboy, too. Yeah, which is kind of blows people's mind. But the git raised cowboy like we had cows. We had horses. I know how to do all the cowboy stuff that you can imagine. Yeah. Welcome to the Third Quarter Talk podcast. I'm your host, Jonathan.

00;00;18;27 - 00;00;35;27
Unknown
Welcome to the Third Culture Talk Podcast, we talk with people that are raised in a culture different than their parents, home culture or way of life or nationality, and now they're living in today's culture, which is vastly different than it is of our parents or even back in the day. So let's get in today's episode. What's going on, man? How are you doing, man?

00;00;35;27 - 00;00;55;16
Unknown
I'm doing wonderful and couldn't be better, you know, and I try to be better. I wouldn't be better. So I'm just being my best. You know what I'm saying? In the moment, whichever moment I'm in at any time. Damn, man, that's as a fly as response. Yeah. Hahaha. Yeah. Thank you man. Thank you. I just love this man.

00;00;55;16 - 00;01;16;26
Unknown
So all right, so you know, for the people that don't know about you, if you could tell a little bit about yourself. Yeah, man. What's up? I'm, Jordan MacDonald. I'm a, I'm a comedian from Texas working to become an international superstar dog. As as really as really. It just randomly left America. I was only supposed to be gone for, like, two and a half months.

00;01;16;26 - 00;01;40;09
Unknown
And it's been three months now. And cancel my flight back to the States. So I'm just out here rocking and rolling bro and bro, you you really rocking and rolling, man. Yeah man I, I believe that comedy is like in a rock and roll age right now, you know? And so, and that's my, my energy is just like balls of the wall pirate life, unicorn live rock n roll.

00;01;40;09 - 00;01;58;17
Unknown
Like, just going in and doing things, man. But yeah, Texas kid out here in Europe, man, for the first time performing and stuff. His room has been crazy. And your first time out here? it's my second time in Europe, but the first time I came was right before the pandemic happened, and I wasn't even doing comedy. Well, I started doing comedy.

00;01;58;19 - 00;02;20;01
Unknown
but I just, you know, spent a few days in, like, six different countries out here. but this is my first time out here, actually performing and just, you know, running around like a madman right now. Yeah, man. You running around, man, and still looking fly in the process. I know you got to, man. You got to man like, people's first impression of you is always physical before you open your mouth.

00;02;20;01 - 00;02;41;27
Unknown
They see what you're wearing and stuff, you know? And honestly, I feel more comfortable dressed nice. You know, the, I don't like leaving, you know, my vicinity. Not dressed nice, just in case. Like somebody important. You know, me, needs me or whatever. And they're like, oh, you kind of dressed like a bum or whatever. So I always just, you know, make sure that I'm always put together.

00;02;41;27 - 00;03;00;19
Unknown
But that's, that's because of my pops, too. My pop was like a present yourself in the best way possible, you know, because you pops an artist or something. Now mama pops Vietnam War vet. Wear it. Because I ain't gonna lie, man, because I would assume based on how you drink, you basically, if anyone doesn't see this right now, but you basically dress like, I mean, you have Lenny Kravitz, right?

00;03;00;19 - 00;03;21;25
Unknown
Yeah. I mean, who as you get your Lane Kravitz, you grants, Jimi Hendrix, Jimi Hendrix, Lionel Richie, Lionel Richie. Like, I mean, you go down the list, you always get you. I can do that. Having fame is, you know. So I think I'm in, I'm in a good path right now because I'm like, all right, all these light skinned dudes are super duper fly, super duper talented.

00;03;21;27 - 00;03;40;07
Unknown
Change the face of how we experience art and stuff. But I think I'm the I've been told I'm the best dressed comedian. So, yeah, I'm gonna just keep rolling with that. People think I do music when they first meet me. They're like, you a musician? Like, nah, I just be telling jokes. Damn. Does it does that sometimes?

00;03;40;12 - 00;03;57;03
Unknown
What? You're, No. No. You persona. But if you walk into the room like people expect from you music, but you come out with jokes anyway. Oh, I thought you were going to be singing. Yeah, but I feel like it kind of adds a certain type of interest that people have in me because you're like, oh, this dude looks like he's about to rip on the guitar.

00;03;57;04 - 00;04;10;02
Unknown
Like, no, I just got a bunch of stupid jokes. I got a bunch of silly stuff. I'm about to tell y'all, you know? Yeah. Do you play the guitar a little bit? A little bit? I mean, at least that. Yeah, yeah. All right, a little bit of guitar. Yeah. I'm actually left handed to, like, Jimi Hendrix was.

00;04;10;05 - 00;04;27;22
Unknown
Oh, bro. Then. Oh, everything's lined up for you, bro. Yeah, 100%. 100%. That's all right. Because if you couldn't play the guitar, that would've been a tragedy. Yeah, no, I would, it would have been very tragic. But I play a little bit. But I'm much better. telling jokes and playing. And I picked up the guitar during the pandemic.

00;04;27;25 - 00;04;51;07
Unknown
just because, you know, I couldn't do anything else. So, yeah, we got on tour, learned a little bit, Oh, like, decent. I'm not anything spectacular at all, but yeah, man, I just, I like I love, I love artists like Jimi Hendrix. Especially because at his time, he was the biggest black artist in the world.

00;04;51;11 - 00;05;18;04
Unknown
Yes. You know, and. Black people weren't like, used to this, his type of energy or whatever. Nobody was used to his type of energy at first or whatever. And so he was like, I just love that, you know, be fly, go get up on stage and just rock out, you know? And so in my head, I'm playing guitar when I'm telling jokes on stage, you know, my head I'm like, I'm ripping it up.

00;05;18;06 - 00;05;38;22
Unknown
I'm tearing up, you know, festival stages and stuff. But just in the more, more silly way. That's, that's, that's actually interesting to think about in terms of like telling jokes, but like, I don't know what would be the guitar, but you're playing some type of musical notes via jokes. Yeah, man. And it's like, I'm, I'm here to entertain people, you know?

00;05;38;22 - 00;05;56;08
Unknown
So it's like, at least if you don't like my jokes, at least a little good, at least I look like, you know, even if you don't like what I'm saying. Like, that dude's dress pretty dope, though. Yeah. I mean, you are, bro, and I. I ain't gonna lie. I thought you I thought you lived out here. You had a spot, but you living out of your suitcase just flies, so.

00;05;56;09 - 00;06;09;20
Unknown
Yeah, man, you know, definitely. Probably somewhere in his pocket. I just want to ask you for some tips on how to, you know, man, this going to be, like, a GQ esque episode. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I'm gonna put y'all on game on. How to how to keep the dope and how to keep the freshness going, you know what I'm saying?

00;06;09;22 - 00;06;27;14
Unknown
But let's start with you guys come from Texas. Texas, a big state. So I'm Tuesday, so I've lived in Austin for the past three years, but I'm not from Austin. People think I'm from Austin a lot, but I'm actually from a real, real small town called Sherman, Texas. Sherman. I was raised on a Black Angus cattle ranch.

00;06;27;16 - 00;06;50;00
Unknown
Yeah. So I'm a literal cowboy, too. Yeah, which is kind of blows people's mind, but legit raised cowboy like, we had cows. We had horses. I know how to do all the cowboy stuff that you can imagine. Yeah, bro. You so you know how to, like, you know how to, like, work on the farm and stuff, like, you know, like in terms of, like, bro, your, you joke about watching the horse.

00;06;50;03 - 00;07;08;21
Unknown
Yeah. The videos I, I used to do stuff like that. Used to clean horse meat. Yeah, I used to going horse. The tick tock, tick tock. You crazy? It has lettuce. Oh, it in a weird path to where? I'm talking to somebody who worked on it on a black Angus. What cow? Whatever the fuck. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah, yeah.

00;07;08;21 - 00;07;27;26
Unknown
Black Angus cattle. And then we had, in high school, that's when we switched from cows to horses because we moved from one small town to a bigger small town called Montgomery, Texas. And, we raised, Tennessee Walking Horses. Wow. Which is, it's a gated horse. So, you know, like, when you see most people riding horses, they're bouncing.

00;07;27;28 - 00;07;45;14
Unknown
it's like a Tennessee walker. Since it's gated, their, their leg movement is different. So when you ride normally, you're going fast. You just move. It's real player. It's like a real player horse. I don't know, like, you know, as possible. Yeah. So. So you really grew up on a farm? Yeah, man. No, that's, that's some inside information.

00;07;45;14 - 00;08;09;25
Unknown
Yeah. So most, most horses, when they walk, it's like diagonal. So front left back right. We'll move. Right. Right. But, gated horse, it's parallel. So the left side is moving in. The right side is moving. So when they're so when they're running there's no balance to it. Oh yeah. So it's like it's like like if a pimp was a horse it'd be a Tennessee walker.

00;08;09;25 - 00;08;29;18
Unknown
You know, like. Real just no balance. Just, you know, I'm just I'm just smooth sailing dog. I'm just cruising. I'm just on cruise control and one smooth ass horse. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So. All right, so now I know I definitely got to ask you. I mean, like, so these horse feet, these horse feet cleaning videos. Right.

00;08;29;18 - 00;08;50;07
Unknown
They're very, I don't know, weird. Is this really how it goes now with cleaning horse feet? Yeah, man. Like, honestly, like, if you think watching the videos of the horse feed a satisfying way to you clean a horse foot is oddly satisfying, bro. It really is. It really, really is. Okay, so it's actually real. Okay, so I'm not okay.

00;08;50;07 - 00;09;09;24
Unknown
I'm not crazy for anyone who doesn't know. I'm I'm kind of slightly addicted to, horse videos and mad horse foot fetish. I well, it's not a fetish anymore because in real life is actually pleasurable. So my alibi, you know, down and, the technical term is hooves. Horses. Yeah. Oh. Ooh. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah. But, you know, if he.

00;09;09;24 - 00;09;25;04
Unknown
If he counts. Yeah. If he sounds more freaky. Yeah. Yeah, he does is. Yeah, it does sound more freaky. Horse hooves. It's like, oh, technically this guy could be in, you know, he rides horses. That was Z horse feed is like now he likes horse feet. Now, horses usually like to feed the horses. It's a lucrative market, too, man.

00;09;25;04 - 00;09;50;27
Unknown
Those, the the people that, like, shod the horses. they make bank. Really? Yeah. They make good money. Yeah. Because they'll just run around, like every day going to different people's farms and stuff and then putting, putting shoes on the on the horse's feet. And they make bank. Yeah. So they make, they make money. And then on top of that, they go, oh, they're on TikTok again because I got millions of views.

00;09;50;27 - 00;10;09;00
Unknown
Yeah, bro. So they make extra money making extra money. Oh wow. I didn't even know there was a horse. hoof clean in TikTok algorithm or whatever. It's out there. But, yeah, they got in different countries. They got one in China, one in Mexico. Like, they got different types there. I'm, I'm, I'm I'm deep in, man. I'm pretty sure you got to only fence for one of these things.

00;10;09;01 - 00;10;33;27
Unknown
Yeah. As they're real. They're real freaky stuff. You know, the stuff they can't show on TikTok. Yeah, it's a go. Bring me that horse hoof. I'm about to go crazy with it. Yeah. Strive for exclusive content. What? A guy is talking through the process and then doing, like, multiple feet on the same horse. Yeah. Is is. Oh, it is a sexy type of like thing to do.

00;10;33;27 - 00;10;59;19
Unknown
Yeah. Yeah I mean yeah that's okay. I just that's interesting that that is a lucrative thing. I thought I was like, this is a no, it's a lucrative market. Especially like because I mean, you know, you like you you're American. So most of America is just country. Yeah. Most of his country, like you got the big metro cities, like, but those are like, you know, the, the like an ant pile, like an ant hill, you know.

00;10;59;19 - 00;11;16;02
Unknown
But then outside of the ant hill, you just got country stuff. And so a lot of these people got horses and these horses, they got to get their feet cleaned because their toes will grow real long and stuff, and that's not safe for the horse. So you got to like really take care of horses are expensive too. Is an expensive type of animal to keep.

00;11;16;09 - 00;11;40;00
Unknown
Right. Big, big animals to you. Yeah. Yeah. I've been bit by horses. I've been kicked by horses. You been bit by a horse? Yeah. Whoa, whoa. And they bite. They know I can see the teeth, the jaw muscle. Yeah. Like I've gotten bit on the stomach by a horse twice. Yeah I don't we had a what? What happened for the horse to bite you directly because man, like, some horses are assholes, bro.

00;11;40;03 - 00;11;56;06
Unknown
My mom had a horse. His name was Z, and he was just an asshole. And I was taking him to, one of the. We we. You would have to, like, switch a little, switch the pastures that they were in because they would eat down the grass. All right, now there's dirt. That grass needs to grow up. So I got to take you to this other pasture.

00;11;56;08 - 00;12;14;22
Unknown
So I was taking Z to a passion one time, and he was a real impatient, like, high spirited horse. And I had his, a bucket of food in one hand, and I was taken into the pasture to go feed him, and he was getting impatient, so he just whipped down and beat me on my stomach. So I took the bucket and just hit him across the head like they got hard as his.

00;12;14;22 - 00;12;34;00
Unknown
Like, it's not animal abuse. it might be, no, but yeah, he he bit me. And there was a bruise, big, big ass bruise on my stomach from where he bit me. Well, why his stomach? That is so specific. He's not your arm I match. John. He was like, I'm going for. I'm about to pull out some some internal organs.

00;12;34;00 - 00;12;53;20
Unknown
Dog. Yeah, he a real asshole to bite me. That's an asshole. Move to bite you in your stomach. Yeah. Some horses are assholes. Like they got big personalities. Horses are weird. They're. You. You'll meet some, like, real sweet, calm. Horse is the only like them. Real high, strong, crazy horses. And like they will bite in. If they don't fuck with you, they'll kick.

00;12;53;22 - 00;13;10;10
Unknown
They'll bite. Yeah, you got kick. And you see also got kick. My. Yeah I've gotten kicked in the leg by a horse. because look, I know the, the original Superman, he got kicked, then he was paralyzed. So you still walking? Yeah, I'm still walking. Okay, so how did you get kicked? And you still walking? Because the the rule of thumb with horses.

00;13;10;10 - 00;13;33;12
Unknown
If you're walking behind a horse, you're supposed to stay close and kind of keep your hand on their butt, so, they can't extend out. And I just, I was walking behind them, but I was in close enough distance where he could reach me, but not, like, close to, like, where it wouldn't hit me. And so he just lifted that foot back, kick back, hit me right in the thigh and bruised up.

00;13;33;14 - 00;13;52;06
Unknown
Okay, so just a bruise. Yeah, just a bruise. Okay. It wasn't like a broken. No, I wasn't broken anything. But, a horse can, like if you get kicked in the stomach by a horse, it'll break your ribs. you know, like, that is so wild to know that and then still be around horses. You know, be around an animal that can impact you like that.

00;13;52;06 - 00;14;12;26
Unknown
Yeah. They're beautiful animals. Oh, man. They're like, really? one time I had a horse at a Tennessee Walking Horse. Her name was cheese, but she was raised by, on a Mexican farm. So she only spoke Spanish. Right. So if you told her what, she would do anything. But you said Camino, she would walk. Oh, whatever. So she only understood the Spanish commands.

00;14;12;26 - 00;14;31;06
Unknown
And that was like my favorite. We, her and I had a real good connection. I could I could literally throw the reins down and stand up on top of her back, nothing holding her. And she would just stand there and take care of me. One time I was on a trail ride with her. I got sick, I started throwing up and I just like threw the reins down and she took me back home.

00;14;31;08 - 00;14;55;21
Unknown
Yeah. Wow. Yeah. So horses are a loyal tool. Yeah. It's like a dog. It's like a giant dog, honestly. Like, wow. Yeah, they'll they'll take care of you. They really like. Like you can build a connection. And supposedly a horse never forgets. human. So, like, once they got your scent, they'll remember you forever. Yeah. So do you like, I don't know if you're family are supposed to have horses, but do you ever go back and.

00;14;55;24 - 00;15;12;06
Unknown
Not really. my, my both my parents were born in the 50s. So once they got like a lot older and stuff and then all of the, you know, my siblings and I like we moved out. It was just hard. A farm is a lot of upkeep, I guess. Work every single day, every single day. You're working on the farm every single day.

00;15;12;08 - 00;15;29;24
Unknown
And so they just got, you know, kind of to the age where they couldn't keep doing that. So they don't have the horses anymore. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Man I did not know that about horses. I mean the only thing I know about horses that they, you know, I mean obviously horse feed from TikTok and then also they're all super mega and kicks and he's paralyzed.

00;15;29;24 - 00;15;49;12
Unknown
That's paralyzed. That's the only thing I knew about horses. And I was like, I'll never get around a horse. Yeah. I mean, they're they can be extremely dangerous animals. Like, they can paralyze people, you know, like, this is a dangerous animal, but it's also like, I don't know, man, like having, having a connection with the horse. Like a good connection with the horse, with a good horse.

00;15;49;12 - 00;16;11;10
Unknown
Is is kind of. I don't know, it's like a weird spiritual thing in a way. Yeah, I guess it's. I guess it has to be kind of. Because here's an animal that's majestic, yet an animal that also hurt you in, like, so many ways. Yeah. So you have, you know, like, we've been humans, we've been, you know, riding horses for thousands of years and taking them into war and stuff.

00;16;11;10 - 00;16;30;04
Unknown
And like, you got to have an animal that's going to take care of you. But, you know, especially if you're going into a war. I've never been into war with a horse, but I imagine that that's a magical thing, too, because like, man, this big ass dog is, you know, a warrior, you know, running into battle and stuff and taking care of me and stuff where I ain't going fast.

00;16;30;05 - 00;16;50;29
Unknown
Going fast. Whoo! Man. Yeah, I can always go. I mean, how how fast can a horse go? It depends on what kind of horse it is. like most race horses, those are thoroughbreds, a quarter horses, and some of them can get up to, like, you know, 30, 40mph. What? Yeah. Full speed. Bro. That is crazy. Yeah. Wow.

00;16;51;01 - 00;17;14;04
Unknown
man. All right. You you changed my mind about horses. Yeah. I'm over here. Hey, man. Stereotypes about horses now it's been affected, I think for sure that it's the same how, you know, people feel about black people. Sometimes they got mad stereotypes and ideas of us and then, like, wait, y'all aren't all the same. You know, we're not you're not one dimensional like the CNN tells us.

00;17;14;06 - 00;17;31;22
Unknown
Yeah, I've been to a cookout and it's actually not bad. It's not bad. I'm like, oh yeah, I've been a cook. So, you know, I'm kind of cool with the brothers. Yeah. No, you're not sorry. You should never say brothers. I'm in the culture like, I don't know. You're not a brother. Yeah, I can say the N-word like, nah, nah nah nah, I'll play it.

00;17;31;28 - 00;17;50;25
Unknown
God doesn't grant you that. Yeah. No, no, no, you only get a hamburger in some, Yeah. You are lucky you're here right now, though. Yeah. You got to leave two hours before you finish up, though. Yeah. You only get leftovers from the circle. God, nothing else. You got to eat at that table. Yeah. Now you know. Yeah.

00;17;50;25 - 00;18;16;21
Unknown
The white people too. Yeah, that's a not melanated table over there. You know, you like them. Yeah. They. We just playing Michael Bublé for y'all over here. We we got a real DJ on this side. And I say yeah, but. So. Okay, so you, you, you know, grew up in this, this farm here, and then you moved to, smaller, bigger city, but I guess also, you know, it would be crazy not to touch upon Austin because, you know, we hear that.

00;18;16;21 - 00;18;41;07
Unknown
Yeah. Man. About Austin. I've been in and out of Austin since, like, I went to college at Texas State University, which is 30 minutes south of Austin. and I actually used to skip class to go do acting jobs in Austin. They had like a pretty decent acting scene out there. I was doing commercials and different like background work with TV shows and movies.

00;18;41;09 - 00;19;02;11
Unknown
And so I've been in and out of Austin since 2011. and then I moved back to Austin in 2021 when the big comedy boom happened. because mostly I was, I was in LA when the pandemic happened. All of LA's infrastructure just collapsed on top of itself. And I was like, man, I got to get out of California.

00;19;02;11 - 00;19;38;19
Unknown
I can't do this anymore. Yeah, because, like, the true colors of California came out because they they preach like, oh, word, you know, forward thinking and liberal and stuff. Then when the pandemic happened, it was a whole different story, man. Like, there is a point for about four weeks straight during the pandemic when the George Floyd protests were going on, LA County had a curfew of 6 p.m. and but they weren't sending out the text message that the curfew was 6 p.m. until about 5:15 p.m. and so grocery stores were closing at 4 p.m. it was illegal to be at the beach.

00;19;38;26 - 00;20;11;18
Unknown
It was illegal to be out at a park. 1:06 p.m. came around. Police were patrolling the streets, arresting people left and right, that were just outside. And when the where the big bro. I was in Claremont, California. So it was la county, but about 25, 30 minutes, east of downtown L.A., but where the big protests were happening in Hollywood, what they were doing, they would send the curfew text at 5:15 p.m., the police would barricade the exits of Hollywood.

00;20;11;18 - 00;20;36;08
Unknown
And so 1:06 p.m. came around. They were just arresting people left and right, left and right, left and right, left and right for like, four weeks straight. And I was seeing that and I was like, no, I gotta get out. Even in Claremont, where I was, man, once it was like 6:03 p.m., we could hear the police outside of our apartment, like on the intercom, telling people to get inside or they're going to get arrested.

00;20;36;08 - 00;20;56;01
Unknown
And that that messed my head up. That really like, yes, someone gave me a different type of trauma. I was like, man, I got, I got it, I got to get out. I got to get out and I was in Atlanta for like six months during 2021, I was doing acting work out there. comedy really wasn't back like that, but I, I didn't like Atlanta.

00;20;56;03 - 00;21;10;20
Unknown
I was like, man, I got to get around some black people. I went to Atlanta. I was like, man, these niggas are stuck. In 2003, this is this is different. This is a different type of energy. They to country for me and I'm country. But like it was a different type of it was 13 original 13 colony country.

00;21;10;20 - 00;21;33;01
Unknown
You know that's not that's not country I'm used to you know, because you came from a Black Angus cattle. Yeah. So how country was it in comparison to the country you came? It's not like Texas is the South, but it's the Texas south. Okay. You know, like, but once you get into that original 13 colony south, it's a different type of south.

00;21;33;01 - 00;21;51;25
Unknown
Like I remember I would hike around in the woods in Atlanta and I would think to myself, like, man, like a couple hundred years ago there, black folks, right? And running around out here trying to get away from slavery and stuff, you know. Yeah. And getting killed and lynched and stuff out here. So that energy kind of still lingers.

00;21;51;27 - 00;22;12;20
Unknown
It felt like it was lingering around the whole state of Georgia and stuff in that, like it was just kind of messing up my head. And so then June 2021, I started doing comedy again after like a year and a half of because of the pandemic. I was doing well in Atlanta, but the the comics in Atlanta, nobody knew who I was.

00;22;12;20 - 00;22;29;17
Unknown
I came in doing pretty well, and so nobody was fucking with me. People were like, just real like off putting to me and kind of like, fuck you think you are due to. Do you coming in and doing well did to do is real. Fuck you in. And I was like, man, I start googling what's the best comedy scene in America?

00;22;29;17 - 00;22;47;19
Unknown
And Austin kept popping up in like news articles of the new Austin comedy boom popped up and most of my friends lived in Austin, and I'm familiar with us. And so I was like, shit, I'm just going to go back to Austin, right? And so I, I was out in Austin for like three years straight, just comedy hustle and comedy hustle and every single night.

00;22;47;19 - 00;23;10;23
Unknown
And so I'm very like blessed for Austin. I love Austin like I love I love so many comedians out there. But like the, the comedy scene out there, it's very, very right wing, very conservative. It's a lot of edgelord shit. And like my, my, my style of comedy is very silly, very goofy. I just want to bring joy to people and stuff, and I don't want to.

00;23;10;26 - 00;23;32;13
Unknown
I'm not trying to be an edgelord, you know what I'm saying? I'm not trying to say shit for the reaction. I don't care about that. I just want to, like, have some positivity and joy. But I got to get so much stage time in Austin, like the first year and a half, because I moved to Austin when the first big wave of comedians went out there.

00;23;32;16 - 00;23;54;16
Unknown
And so then that was before, like comedy Mothership opened up. That was before Sunset Strip opened up. And so it was. A few clubs like Creek in the cave from New York had just moved out there. and there was so many open mics. I was literally for the first year and a half in Austin, I performed 30 to 35 times a week.

00;23;54;18 - 00;24;14;10
Unknown
Every single week. Wow, that's a lot, a lot, bro. I would literally do 5 or 6 mics a night every single week for a year and a half. And then after a year and a half, more clubs started opening up, and then all the comics that were doing that open mic hustle like that, we start producing shows, you know, we start getting booked in the clubs.

00;24;14;10 - 00;24;29;27
Unknown
And so it went from us doing a lot of open mics to us doing a lot of shows. And so I would I was, I was like a crack fiend dog. I was just on stage all the time because I was like, man, I got to get better. Because my first two years of comedy were rough. I was homeless in LA.

00;24;29;29 - 00;24;47;29
Unknown
yeah. I was living in the back of a car. I wasn't any good. I was a slow burn for comedy. I didn't get good until like, really three years in, but two years in, I made my first dollar off of comedy. I made $10 in two drink tickets in Austin. Shout out to my queen, Bianca Prado. That's that's that's my woman right there.

00;24;47;29 - 00;25;18;07
Unknown
She, she was the first person to ever pay me for comedy, and I was, like, $10 to drink tickets. I'm a fucking professional comedian. you hoes better look out. Let's go. I'm a bro now. Drinks under me. Let's do exactly, exactly. And so. Yeah, man, like Austin, like, helped me out so much. But I feel like, I feel like there was, like a roof, a ceiling that I was hitting in Austin, especially, like the past year because I was getting better.

00;25;18;07 - 00;25;42;09
Unknown
I was writing a lot of jokes. and this year, 20, 24, like, I got to do the Comedy Store for the first time. Nice. You know, I got invited back. I got to do, like, the Chicago Laugh Factory. I was doing the I did festival in Portland, the Northwestern Black Comedy Festival. I was starting to get out of Texas more and going to perform in all these different cities.

00;25;42;09 - 00;26;06;23
Unknown
I got to do like DC, the DC Comedy Lounge. and I was doing really well. And every literally every single place that I was performing and people were like, hey, come back, whatever, you know, you know, give you more time, pay you more. And I was like, okay, I'm either going to go at the beginning in 2022, like March 2024, I was like, all right, I'm either going to go to New York because I haven't done New York yet, or I'm gonna go to London.

00;26;06;26 - 00;26;28;11
Unknown
And I was like, man, I know what New York is, you know what I'm saying? I know what comedy in America is. Let's see. Let's see if my comedy works internationally. And so then I jumped out to London, and, and did, I did London for like two months. I went to Edinburgh for the Fringe Festival. I was there, I was only supposed to be there for like ten days.

00;26;28;11 - 00;26;47;05
Unknown
Ended up staying 18 days and do it. I did 64 shows. Wow. You know what? I was just, like, running around. But it it really opened my mind up to, in my perspective to wow, like. All right. I'm I'm internationally funny. I can I can really make something shake out here. It's going to take a lot of work.

00;26;47;05 - 00;27;11;25
Unknown
It's a huge risk because I literally just left my entire life. Like I just had peace in that as a reason. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I, you know, it was like that, like you left at home. I mean, left, left everything, man. I, a year, literally a year ago, I was delivering ice in Austin. During the day, I was delivering ice in the Texas heat, 40 pound bags of ice, about 2,000 pounds worth a day where the vice a day.

00;27;11;28 - 00;27;32;27
Unknown
And at night I would go do comedy. I would just do that every day. And I don't know, I turn 31 this year, but in my 30s I started to realize, like, man, I'm not getting any younger. and so I'm either going to do it fully or I'm not. So I'm either going to jump or I'm not.

00;27;32;29 - 00;27;56;06
Unknown
And it felt like I, you know, I was doing the comedy hustle. I was making money off of comedy in Texas, but it just felt like I can do so much more. Right? I just got to trust it and and do it, you know? Where did that come from, that did that come from? Because I almost share some dissimilar, actually very specific in terms of, you know, doing comedy in New York and then actually making a trip to Edinburgh.

00;27;56;06 - 00;28;12;07
Unknown
I didn't perform Edinburgh by just seeing the art and everything in the comedy. I would say more in general, the performances that was happening. Yeah, like just seeing like, oh wow, this is a different world out here. And then performing in London that you gave me like, idea or is so the seed of, like, moving out to Europe eventually.

00;28;12;07 - 00;28;31;21
Unknown
Yeah. Almost like the same thing. I'm like, yo, I like yeah. Things shaken out here. Like. Yeah. How do you get more love out here? Two way more love. Way more. Way more love. And just just the amount of people that I've met out here that legitimately want to help me out is something I wasn't really getting like that in America, like I had.

00;28;31;22 - 00;28;50;05
Unknown
There's a lot of people that help me out in America, but the Edinburgh was crazy for me, man. Like a year ago, I didn't even really know what the fringe was. Right? And I had some friends that from Texas shout out to Jimmy Clifford. he was like, you, you should go to Edinburgh. Like it's crazy. It's insane.

00;28;50;07 - 00;29;09;04
Unknown
You should go out there. And so I just went out there just with the intention of doing spots, but it got to a point, dog, where I couldn't walk outside in Edinburgh without people stopping me to take pictures. People were like, hey, I saw you at this show. Like you performing anywhere else. Are you running your own show?

00;29;09;04 - 00;29;26;17
Unknown
I want to see a full hour from you. People were following me to shows. People were. There was a few times dog. I'm literally walking down the street and people are chanting my name and I'm like, all right, this is I gotta I got to not go back to America. Can't go back to America after that, bro. Yeah, you.

00;29;26;20 - 00;29;44;13
Unknown
While I was in Edinburgh, I cancel my flight back to America. I was like, fuck it. I'm. I'm gonna figure this out. I'm gonna just do it because the the energy and intention was showing me like, hey, because if I go back to America, I'll just go back to doing the same thing, you know? Yeah. And it's like, I don't want to just keep doing the same shit as the stage.

00;29;44;13 - 00;30;09;06
Unknown
Time is great. Cool. But I feel like I have enough tools in my tool bag now to really, you know, expand out and really make a full like real, fulfilling, meaningful career out of this now, you know, and so yeah, I just been rock and roll and I got to, I got past, some of the big clubs in London and stuff before I came out to, to Germany.

00;30;09;06 - 00;30;27;06
Unknown
Oh, nice. Which clubs? top secret. congrats on that. Yeah. Man. My, literally my last week of being in London, I got past that top secret, and we were. It's the first day they hit me up. I was like, coming off. I mean, I was sick, I was super sick for like a week. And they sent me an email.

00;30;27;06 - 00;30;46;26
Unknown
They're like, hey, can you be here at 4 p.m.? Oh, yeah, they usually do. On the post. I was like halfway did. I was like, I'm there. Boom. Next day they emailed me again, hey, can come do our late show tonight. Absolutely. And then, and then they were like, hey, we any time you're here, let us know what you're up.

00;30;46;27 - 00;31;04;17
Unknown
And so I was like, well, shit, this guy's bro. And then, up the creek, comedy Club in London, too, was the same way. I got to do a show with them, the Gong Show, the Gong Show first, and then they did the, Well, yeah, they're gong Show the right thing, right? Yeah. Yeah, I did that.

00;31;04;19 - 00;31;31;22
Unknown
And they're like, hey, whenever you're here, let us know. I mean, we we we fuck with you. And so, bro. Yeah. So stuff just started like like that was happening and man, I just I have the faith of a mustard seed, you know, like, I'm, I'm I'm constantly praying. Like, I'm constantly just, like, keeping my faith strong because, like, I have, I realized the opportunity I have in front of me and how rare it is.

00;31;31;22 - 00;31;47;28
Unknown
And it's like if I don't take full advantage and my brain is like, this will never happen again, even though it could. But in my brain, I'm like, this is do or die for me, I have to, I have to just do it. And now I'm, you know, I'm I'm my own booking man. Booking manager. I'm on my own booking agent.

00;31;47;28 - 00;32;08;02
Unknown
I'm doing it all on my own too. But it's like people are really, like, rocking with it. And it is cool because I'm getting to bring the perspective of a black kid raised on a farm in Texas that I realize I haven't met nobody else. The hell not. Oh yeah, you're the first guy I've heard. Yeah, yeah, I talked to that lived his life.

00;32;08;02 - 00;32;28;06
Unknown
Yeah. So it's cool that I'm getting to because I don't. I don't write general jokes about stuff. I don't know how to do that. I don't know how to write a general joke. I just know how to talk about myself and my experiences. And so it's cool that I'm getting to share my personal life and experiences with people that didn't know that black Americans are doing this.

00;32;28;10 - 00;32;50;18
Unknown
You know, because the stereotype of a black American is not how I was raised, is not like where I came up. I was in my, elementary school. There were two black kids, me and Ariana Jones. Wow. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah, there's 40 and there is only like 42 kids in my class. Yeah. And only two of us were black.

00;32;50;20 - 00;33;02;29
Unknown
Wow. So that's a different. Yeah. Yeah. Upbringing. And then you grew up on a farm too I mean even assumptions I ain't going to lie to you man. The one that kind of just I mean to even go back a little bit is that we use in Atlanta. You said there's a difference between because I ain't gonna live person.

00;33;02;29 - 00;33;16;23
Unknown
I grew up in the East Coast. We think of the South just as south. Yeah. For you to even feel like. Man, I feel like in Atlanta, this. And this is like too southern. I'm like, what? But yeah, Texas is south and Atlanta. So this this is interesting, you know, but is is is different kinds of south man.

00;33;16;23 - 00;33;48;16
Unknown
And I, I really feel like the original 13 colony energy is really different and really affects those states differently. Even still in 2024 because like, these are this was America only America at once. The, the US like these 13 different states or whatever. And I feel like it kind of keeps those areas cut in the past a little bit, you know, because Texas is just I mean, half of Texas used to be Mexico.

00;33;48;19 - 00;34;07;11
Unknown
Yeah. It's just, you know, and so it's like it's just it's it's very southern, but it's just a different kind of southern. It's a Texas Southern, you know, we and I'm, I'm probably biased too, because I'm a Texan or whatever it is. I know Texas greatest country in America, but I. Yeah, right. You know what I'm saying?

00;34;07;11 - 00;34;30;01
Unknown
But like, yeah, it's definitely a bias, but it's it's just it's very different like and a lot of people that I realize too, like out here in Europe, in the UK, they don't know Georgia but they know Texas. Everybody knows Texas, Texas. We and it's probably not for the best reasons need enough. And it's not it's not for it's not for anything good.

00;34;30;03 - 00;34;58;29
Unknown
I guess the the most positive thing people outside of America know about Texas is barbecue, you know, but everything else is probably more on a negative connotation type of thing or whatever. Guns, you know, big everything probably like obesity, you know. Yeah. Oh yeah. That's probably where yeah. Some of the stereotype, the big stereotypes come from, Texas in terms of like, you know, guns, obesity, this not everything big, everything large, which I mean, it's true is 100% true is 100% true.

00;34;58;29 - 00;35;27;23
Unknown
But there's a oh, there's southern hospitality and then there's Texas hospitality. Okay. What's the difference between the two? I feel like southern hospitality. Like, you know, we're kind of people. We're it's we're kind of even because like in in Texas I know plenty of rednecks. but the sweetest people in the world. And it's because, oh, you're a Texan, I trust you.

00;35;27;26 - 00;35;52;19
Unknown
Every person that I've met outside of Texas, that's from Texas like that instantly, instantly, instantly, instantly, you know, but I feel like I'm not going to say Mississippi because I don't feel like people from Mississippi leave Mississippi. but it's like, I don't know. It's like it's it's almost cultish. It's almost cultish. It's like, oh, you're you're you're from Texas.

00;35;52;19 - 00;36;22;16
Unknown
Like, I'm from Texas. Okay, cool. We got each other's back. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's definitely a Texan culture. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's a huge type of culture. But, Oh. It's a we're we're proud state. We're very proud to be Texan. Like, you got your own flag and everything. Yeah, yeah. Like even it's like, I, I never, I don't know, I don't really have any like, real intention of going back to America, but if I ever made base in America would only be Texas.

00;36;22;19 - 00;36;47;08
Unknown
yeah. I've been to 39 states in the US. You know, I've been around almost the entire country. I would only live in Texas. Wow. Okay, so aside from Texas, what are your top three states that you like? Top three states? I'm not going to say state. I'll say cities. Okay. Because most states don't have shit. And I really rock with, I love Austin.

00;36;47;09 - 00;37;16;12
Unknown
Austin is the best city in Texas, in my opinion. One of the best cities in the US. I love Denver until the winter time. I love New York for like three months at a time. It gets too loud for me. And in New York, I'm. I'm from the country. So it was like the constant sirens and, yeah, crackheads screaming at each other and just constant noise, like, it'll drive me crazy after 3 or 4 months.

00;37;16;15 - 00;37;35;24
Unknown
San Diego is incredible cities, and Diego is a very beautiful city. But I can't do like, super cold places for for too long. You got a steep winter. I, I once that winter comes, I got a dip in Berlin is not the place for you, though. Yeah. No, I mean, I'm coming to find out. I'm like, this is y'all's fall.

00;37;35;24 - 00;37;52;04
Unknown
This is terrible. I'm cold as hell out here. This is fall. This isn't even winter yet. Oh my God. Yeah, yeah it is. Winter is no joke. I came here thinking like, oh, you know, New York was cold, so, you know, everything should be good. Nah, bro, that sun hides. Yeah, that sun stays in high. It hibernates. Yeah.

00;37;52;06 - 00;38;12;04
Unknown
You know, a sun can hibernate for that long, bro. That's why all these, white folks out here are so big. Because, like, they gotta, like, adjust to the winter. Like they. So, you know, I mean, like, you know, the depression and everything. Yeah, bro, it's at a point where you have to, like, manage your day, like before this podcast, I had to walk outside in the sun because that's the only time I saw the sun.

00;38;12;04 - 00;38;25;07
Unknown
I'm like, yeah, if it's going to be out in the next couple of hours by the time we're done, see you in Texas. Like that's the one thing I miss is the Texas sun, because when Texas, we have two days of winter. Hey, y'all got so much. It's too much sun. It's like you guys is. It's great though, man.

00;38;25;07 - 00;38;40;27
Unknown
And I'm in the the only place I've ever been in the world. Where the sky is as big as the sky in Texas is Rome. Rome? Yeah, the sky is really big in Rome. It reminds me of Texas in a weird way, because I don't know, like.

00;38;40;29 - 00;38;59;16
Unknown
The sky is just bigger in some places in Texas we have a huge sky, and I've never seen the sky that big. Besides Rome, Italy, they got a big air. The sky is huge in Rome. It's very it's it's it's a weird thing, but I that's the first thing I noticed when I was in Rome. I was like, wow, is sky is big as hell now.

00;38;59;16 - 00;39;20;10
Unknown
Okay. Is this is it right there? I mean, I never think like New York, the sky isn't that big because you got all the buildings and stuff, you know? Okay, here's actually an interesting point. I don't think I ever gave a fuck about the sky. Yeah. Oh, that's so, so nice. So I'm just just realizing I'm like, oh, yeah, the sky has elements that, you know, I mean, I look at the sky, I'll be like,

00;39;20;13 - 00;39;42;13
Unknown
And then it's like, yeah. Are you actually observing the. Yeah, man, I'm very I'm very aloof. And my brain is always just like out. And so I, I catch myself a lot of the times just looking up just at the sky a lot. And yeah, the two, two biggest guys is Texas and Rome. Like the sky. Oh, here's the average sized sky in Germany, you know, very average size.

00;39;42;15 - 00;40;08;23
Unknown
What is average size? Okay. What do you mean? It's, it might it might be a Texas thing, man. I don't know, maybe. I think it's a Texan thing. I mean, we have a we have a, Leon Bridges. Yeah, we have a song called Texas Sun. You know, Texas is big on everything. Yeah, the sky. Yeah, bro, the sky is huge in Texas is huge.

00;40;08;24 - 00;40;26;04
Unknown
So big food, big guns, big. Yeah. Big sky, big Texas big. Ask big ask God. We got the biggest in all of the woods. Everything's bigger in Texas though. Even the sky, even the sky is bigger. Yeah, I go live with somebody else. I sit down like, all right, let's relax. Okay. I know that's a lot of big.

00;40;26;04 - 00;40;48;17
Unknown
Everything but the sky right now. We're region, all right? Yeah. You guys got the food, you got the barbecue. It's. It's like, being in a giant, like, snow globe. I don't know you because if, like, I was in Sherman, man, like we we don't. There's no Lake City or whatever. It's grown, like, quite a bit in the past few years.

00;40;48;17 - 00;41;12;10
Unknown
In 2005, Sherman was the number one city in Texas for meth. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Because it's it's so country. You have a lot of like barns on, you know, 300 acres of land. please. I ain't going to smell nothing. You know, I, I knew fifth graders that cook meth. What? No, I don't know what the fifth grade is.

00;41;12;10 - 00;41;42;00
Unknown
That cook meth? Yep. That is what, I mean, did he go to school and just like, hey, look what I have, like, was, there was one guy. It was my brother's friend. He he got cut. I'm not going to drop. Name drop. Please don't. That'll. He might not, I guess, honestly, you may not even be alive, but, he lived with his, like, 86 year old grandmother, and she had, like, 300 acres of land and a barn that was just empty in the middle of the land.

00;41;42;00 - 00;42;09;11
Unknown
So she never knew where the name job. She never knew it. we will, her grandson was doing. Yeah. and he uses out there like, cooking meth because you can't smell anything. You know, the police aren't going aren't patrolling. They don't patrol in a town like shaman because there's nothing to patrol. Yeah, and so he was just out there, 12, 13 years old, cooking up meth and probably distributing and selling.

00;42;09;15 - 00;42;39;23
Unknown
For the longest time, I thought everybody that shopped at Walmart just had black teeth. Wait. Oh, okay. All right. So I'm glad you saying it, because I thought Sherman to be like a nice little quaint, you know, like, okay, so no, no, nice is not a word you describe. Sherman. Sherman is, the last town, before you get into Durant, Oklahoma, which, if you know anything about Oklahoma, is, Oklahoma, everything is not.

00;42;39;23 - 00;43;01;26
Unknown
Yeah. No, no, it's not pleasant at all. But, yeah, it's just a lot of land. There's a lot of farmland and, like, man, methods are they're a different breed. You know, they used to, they used to steal the copper out of our air conditioning units, to sit because copper is a high value or whatever. So there was still copper.

00;43;01;29 - 00;43;27;04
Unknown
Sell it. Go buy meth with the money. But the thing is that. But that also shows the tenacity and the determination that methods have. Because like we we're in a neighborhood, but it's not like your normal suburban neighborhood. All the houses are spread out because we're all in like, you know, ten, 15 acres of land. So they're going from 15 acres at a time going in.

00;43;27;06 - 00;43;45;10
Unknown
And everybody is armed out there. Everybody has guns, so they're risking their lives to go get this copper out of air conditioning units to sell, to get money, to buy meth, that is. Yeah. I'm not there. we put all those things together. That is a lot of motivation. A lot of motivation. Meth must be really, really good.

00;43;45;10 - 00;44;04;21
Unknown
You know, it must be good to to risk your life over getting copper from an air conditioning, air conditioning unit and being a hot Texan. Sun. The big sky they do that night. They do it at night. They run around at night stealing, copper from AC units. They all. I would have never imagine that. Yeah, it's it's weird is.

00;44;04;21 - 00;44;27;00
Unknown
But, you know, shout out to the determination internet if they use that energy towards something more positive. There's a lot of methods that probably could have been millionaires, you know, hey, at least a motivational speaker. Yeah. Something something, you know, but yeah, there's still some cocoa. Nice. I don't know your, It's just football. Just. Here's another way.

00;44;27;06 - 00;44;48;02
Unknown
You know, if you go for role play, look, man, to get off a roll, you got to sell these nice sailors and give me the proceeds. 80, 20, I get 80. Get already. That's a low. So Sherman was a okay. So because why here farm. And I hear the South and everything, I'm thinking nice. But no, no, clearly this was not.

00;44;48;05 - 00;45;09;29
Unknown
Yeah. Fifth grade cooking. I mean, that's that's even that sounds worse than New York. That's. Yeah. And Sherman is one of those places. It's, you know, like that small town mentality. I know plenty of people that I went to grade school with kindergarten, first grade and they got married, work at the school. Kids do the same thing. People don't leave Sherman.

00;45;10;02 - 00;45;31;25
Unknown
the closest airport is the Dallas airport, which is like 60 or 70 miles away. So it's not like a place where people get out. Wow. Yeah. So just the fact that I live, Sherman is a big deal. have you ever went back? my dad, after my parents divorced, my dad actually went and bought a house in the nicer part of Sherman.

00;45;31;27 - 00;45;56;13
Unknown
as nice as Sherman can get, and so I. I've been back, like, once or twice, and I, I went back during the Trump era, and I actually went and saw my old house that I grew up in, and all the houses in that neighborhood all had, like Trump signs. They were staring at me while I was driving through, and I was like, okay, Sherman.

00;45;56;13 - 00;46;26;10
Unknown
Still. Sherman. All right, you'll have it lost that. Yeah. It's, it's different man. Oh, yeah. So I, I would you can pay me $1 million to live in Sherman again. Oh, no oh no no no no no. But, you know, it's still I don't know is I claim Sherman, though. You know, I claim Schreiber. Sherman definitely, raised me, but it was, getting out of Sherman is a big deal because a lot of people don't.

00;46;26;15 - 00;46;49;04
Unknown
They'll get out. A lot of people get stuck there for their entire life. And just just the fact that, like Hollywood, the idea of Hollywood and Sherman is not real, Hollywood is just something that exists on TV in a place like Sherman. Wow. People don't actually go to Hollywood. People don't actually live in Los Angeles. People don't really live in New York.

00;46;49;04 - 00;47;12;13
Unknown
Like it's not a real thing to people in Sherman. Oh, wow. So is that small? Like, town mentality, super small town mentality, man. And it's it's it's a cycle. It's it's just a cycle. And, you know, you marry the person you went to first grade with. You have kids, the kids go to the same school. You know, you work at the school.

00;47;12;15 - 00;47;33;04
Unknown
They have kids is it's just it just recycles itself. And it's a trap. It's a vacuum. It's a vacuum. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, I always be thinking about that when people stay in the same town and stuff and, but, you know, at the same time, on the flip side, I guess it's kind of what people look for whenever they go into a new town of like it being not too new, but like, so old at the same, you know what I mean?

00;47;33;04 - 00;47;56;21
Unknown
Like, yeah, well it's bro, it's a, it's a scary thing because like, it's not expensive at all to live in Sherman. You know, compared to living in an actual city. City. you know, you don't have to work. You just work on a farm, make enough bread, you know, you got your little small apartment in Sherman. Actually just got, its first Indian restaurant a few years ago.

00;47;56;23 - 00;48;14;23
Unknown
Oh, is it authentic? Indian is good food. I don't know how authentic it is, but it. Because. But also, these are probably the only Indians that live in Sherman. So because Sherman has never. Bro. When I was growing up, we had one Mexican restaurant.

00;48;14;25 - 00;48;35;27
Unknown
And Papa John's pizza. And the rest is out there. Even we had one Papa John's. Yeah. And, man, we got to give Papa John's. It was a party, bro. Well, we getting pizza delivered. Oh, my gosh. It would take them forever though, because it was like 30 minutes away from our house. But, man, just the fact that we got Papa John's delivered all over the party.

00;48;35;27 - 00;48;57;12
Unknown
It was a party. Did you have like, Whataburger there or something or. Oh, so in Sherman, I think Sherman has a Whataburger now, but, they had a Watson Burger Watson. So it was almost Whataburger, but not quite. It was like a bootleg. Whatever. Yeah, we had one Sonic. we had a McDonald's. And everybody hung out at Walmart.

00;48;57;15 - 00;49;20;16
Unknown
Yeah. when I was like, a year or two before we moved from Sherman, we got a target and all that. We lost our mind. We got a target and a Best Buy. Oh, gosh. oh. We coming up now? what? Sherman is five stars. Now we got a target and a Best Buy. Now, this is crazy Gaines from two different places.

00;49;20;16 - 00;49;39;27
Unknown
Yeah, bro. First, the like wouldn't when we would have to go to, like, Best Buy or a store like that. We would have to drive literally into Dallas, into Frisco or Plano, which was, you know, an hour away. And it was a big deal. I remember being a kid being excited just to be inside of a target, being inside of BestBuy.

00;49;39;27 - 00;49;58;14
Unknown
I was like, yo, what the fuck? This is a Walmart. This is a Sam's Club. We're actually in a Best Buy right now. Sam's club, yo. Yeah is different, man. Is it? We had a skating rink too. Everybody would have their birthday party at the Sherman Dennison skating rink. And that was really. That was really all Sherman had.

00;49;58;14 - 00;50;16;13
Unknown
Yeah. And a Lowe's. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Oh, not a Home Depot, but Lowe's. We got a Home Depot and Target came in. Interesting. So Lowe's came for Home Depot. Yeah. I was so Home Depot first. No, it was Lowe's. Really? Wow. Because home Depot, they got a lock on a lot of places. Special on small town places.

00;50;16;13 - 00;50;40;06
Unknown
So Lowe's, it came in early. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So they made a smart investment. Yeah, yeah. Oh, so that fifth grader cooking up meth. Let's get there. We got a real estate is low in here. Ain't no, the prices on this land. It must be cheap. Yeah. We didn't have much food. Yeah, as a kid, it was just the McDonald's, Lowe's, Sam's Club, Walmart.

00;50;40;08 - 00;51;01;02
Unknown
And really, that was that Sherman. Oh, that was that was Sherman, Texas. Yeah, yeah. And we had, we had a mall. It wasn't big at all. I thought it was huge as a kid. But then I went there like a little bit older, and I was like, oh, this is, this isn't even a mall, you know, this this shouldn't even be able to be called a mall.

00;51;01;03 - 00;51;21;00
Unknown
This is crazy. But it had a 25 cent movie theater in it. Yeah. Oh. So I mean, yeah, that was. Yeah. You know, we we live in lard in Sherman and we had goodwill. Yeah, we had the goodwill. Okay. Yeah. You goodwill is everywhere. Yeah, everywhere a lot have goodwill. They, they set up shop everywhere. Yeah. But it was just super, super duper small town living and stuff.

00;51;21;00 - 00;51;41;13
Unknown
And so, man, the fact that I'm in Europe right now, being from Sherman, that's, that's an accomplishment in and of itself, you know, like I don't I don't come from really much at all, you know, I'm just I'm just a cowboy farm kid, you know, that's out here. That's in like Jimmy. Yeah. Like three other famous, like, famous.

00;51;41;13 - 00;52;03;17
Unknown
Let's get. Well, that's also because, like, both my parents were born in the 50s. Like, my dad was born in 1950. You mean I'm more of it? My mom was born in, like, 58. you know, and I'm biracial, too, so it was illegal for. They grew up in a time when it was illegal for them to be together, you know, like segregation was still happening when my dad was growing up.

00;52;03;20 - 00;52;28;20
Unknown
like you, it's so it's like. But I was raised on music from, like, the 50s, 60s and 70s, you know, the 80s and stuff was raised and all that real old, just groovy has psychedelic rock and roll music and stuff, you know, and I see. Yeah. So yeah. So all of that, all of that is like my parents are the reason why I'd, you know, dress the way I dress because I was right.

00;52;28;20 - 00;52;48;03
Unknown
Like, what my first album that I ever got from my mom was a Jimi Hendrix album, and I was like eight years old. Nine years old. Oh, bro, that influenced the hell yeah. Oh, yeah. 100%. Wow. Yeah. And my pop's, you know, he was listening to, like, the Gap Band in, like, meatloaf. And he loved Jimi Hendrix, too.

00;52;48;03 - 00;53;10;27
Unknown
And I was, you know, raised on Prince and. Oh, yeah, there's all this, like, super groovy music. So I'm. I'm very grateful for that because that wasn't happening in a shaman. You know, that type of music wasn't going on. It was just country. I love country music. I'm a, you know, conjugated Texas kid. But like, my parents really, really influenced me with, you know, the type of media and stuff that they were showing me.

00;53;10;27 - 00;53;37;00
Unknown
And even like comedy wise, the very first special I ever watch was, afros and Bellbottoms was in bed. Really? Yeah. Wow. Yeah, yeah. But the the comedy special that made me want to do comedy, killing them softly, Dave Chappelle. Yeah. So that's that's when I saw that for the first time. That's when I was like, I want to do that.

00;53;37;02 - 00;53;58;24
Unknown
I want to do that. Yeah, comedy scared the hell out of me because I didn't start until I was like 26. but single handedly, Dave Chappelle was killing himself. This was the this is this is it. This is really it? yeah. This is the thing. Yeah. That is how. Yeah. It's always crazy when you think back to what, like, influenced you.

00;53;58;24 - 00;54;13;13
Unknown
Not as long as you. But what set that spark for you to actually want to do comedy? Yeah, man. I know for me, it was like, I mean, comedy. You. That was just always in the background. Comedy. Yeah. Then Premium Blend used to be on Comedy Central. Yeah. Yeah yeah. Oh, that. yeah, that was always just.

00;54;13;16 - 00;54;30;26
Unknown
And then, What then you had, what's name was named I do had that one show insomnia. Okay. And he's at the cellar. He's, he's, you know, he's always dressed down there. I forgot the guy's name. I'm. I'm blanking his name. Anyways, I'm pretty sure someday I'll figure that out, but, yeah, no comedy influences is always, though.

00;54;30;28 - 00;54;48;11
Unknown
And always, like, think about it. But I'm curious about this, European trip here, right? Because, I mean, where you came from, you know, Sherman, you know Texas, right? So now here, you're like, well, I mean this for the second time. So what was the first country you came to when you like when you made your trip?

00;54;48;18 - 00;55;15;17
Unknown
I went straight to the UK. I went straight to London. Yeah. because my because my, my, my perspective on comedy was still pretty. Like, I knew these different countries were doing English speaking comedy, but it still was like my perspective was very like small because I didn't realize to the degree of, oh, you actually can go to these places and perform.

00;55;15;17 - 00;55;35;13
Unknown
And so I would I knew that London was like the biggest, one of the biggest comedy scenes outside of America. and I was like, I'll just, you know, go to London, do spots, whatever, figure it out, and then I was doing well in London. Doing really well in London is expensive and shit, though, and very expensive. Bro man is so is so expensive.

00;55;35;13 - 00;56;05;06
Unknown
And I was just trying to figure out, you know, immigration shit and stuff like that. I figured out how to do it, but it was like, I'm just going to go to London Hustle or whatever, and then I'll leave and then it was really, the fringe that opened up my mind to doing comedy, you know, out here in these European countries, you know, I would I can you can do comedy in Asian countries, you can do comedy in African countries.

00;56;05;07 - 00;56;21;00
Unknown
It's literally everywhere. And so once I, started performing, I got to headline a few shows in London. And just the fact that I would do, I would do spots in London and people would come up to me and be like, hey, are you touring? Like, I want to see a full 30 minutes. I want to see a full hour.

00;56;21;03 - 00;56;39;25
Unknown
So then my brain was like, people want to see you do comedy like you'd. I'm very confident in myself. I always knew I was good, but it was like, still because in in Austin, you know, I was performing every night, but as you know, you're just doing ten minutes. But I was 12 minutes, but I was 15 minutes was every once in a while you'll get a 20 minute spot in Austin.

00;56;39;25 - 00;57;01;07
Unknown
But I would go to small towns in Texas, these little redneck towns and headline and stuff. And so I was headlining, you know, spots in America and stuff. But, when I went to the UK and my intention was just, oh, I'm just going to stay in London or whatever, and then I got, invited to by a comedian, Jason Rouse.

00;57;01;10 - 00;57;17;09
Unknown
to perform with him. He's a Canadian comedian that I met in Austin, and he started, like, kind of mentoring me a little bit once I got out of America, and he was like, you know, you this is this is a good thing. Like, you're starting to see, you know, what the comedy world really is and stuff.

00;57;17;12 - 00;57;40;20
Unknown
and so I went to, after I left London, I went to Stockholm, Sweden to perform with him. Oh, nice. Yeah. And, they invented white people there. That that's. It was the whitest place I've ever been in my life, you know? But it was, the comedy shows were so much fun, and I was like, damn, I'm like.

00;57;40;22 - 00;57;58;06
Unknown
I'm funny. In front of the Swedish crowd. All right, cool. Like, let me, And he gave me. He gave me a book recommendation, how to be your own booking agent. And I read this. It's more so it was written for musicians, but it applies to comedy. You can apply, you know, what's in the book to comedy.

00;57;58;09 - 00;58;26;15
Unknown
And I read that, and I just started, bro. I just I have hit up probably every single comedy, every single city in Europe that has English comedy. I have contacted wow. Yeah. And so I'm, I'm, I got some really cool cities that I'm getting to headline in November, that I'm super excited about, but it started to like, really just opened up my mind.

00;58;26;15 - 00;58;55;10
Unknown
And then like, people kept telling me that the Berlin scene is, like, really great. Like, there's a lot of spots and stuff out here. And so I came out here, I love this city, this incredible city. There's a grinding as to it that like. Is it's like a good grimy, you know, it is weird because it's it's very balls to the wall is very just, it's very rock and roll energy out here and start to especially with how the comedy scene is out here.

00;58;55;10 - 00;59;18;14
Unknown
And so I was just like, I to go to Germany for a little minute and do spots. and it's so easy to get to all these different European cities, bro. It's like €130 to get to Cairo, Egypt from from Germany is crazy. Yeah. You're like you're so close to everything. And so I'm like, all right, like.

00;59;18;16 - 00;59;40;21
Unknown
Because the worst people can say is no, you know, and no, he's not going to kill me. But there's people saying, yes, probably a lot to yes is and is like, oh shit. Okay. Like. Let's just make it happen. Let's just do it. Let's take a risk. You, let's make the investment in ourselves because it's all going to come back to us tenfold.

00;59;40;22 - 01;00;00;26
Unknown
You know, it was all going to it's all going to come rolling back. And so yeah, this is like and I can still get to the UK because I planted roots in London and you know, different cities in the UK. And I can still get over there easily. Work, leave and go somewhere else. Right. I'm wherever people ask me like, where are you based out of?

01;00;00;26 - 01;00;19;26
Unknown
I'm like, wherever I am at the moment, wherever I am. And that's that's just where I'm at. You know, I do my best to be a feather in the wind. I don't I try not to think too much about stuff. I just, I just do my best to just trust in everything. And wherever I am is just where I'm am.

01;00;19;28 - 01;00;41;10
Unknown
And this is where I'm at. And so it's. And I feel like with comedy, like the difference between comedy and music is I don't need any instruments, I don't need any special equipment. I just, I just need to show up. Y'all got a microphone and amplified noise? Boom. Even if y'all don't have theater training, dog, I know how to speak from my diaphragm.

01;00;41;10 - 01;01;05;19
Unknown
I can feel the room. I got the okay. Yeah, I study theater in, college before I dropped out. yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I have a extensive acting background, like a really accent, because before I was doing comedy, I was. I was acting, and, Yeah, I got, I got a, I got a few credits under my belt and stuff, but the, the, that's why I was in LA.

01;01;05;22 - 01;01;29;00
Unknown
I went there specifically for acting and then started doing comedy out there. But for all this weird shit we've been hearing about Hollywood and the acting industry the past, like 5 to 10 years. That shit is true, man. Is a gross industry, is disgusting out there, and people are weird and people take advantage and people are energy vampires and just try to take advantage of young people like hustling that don't know any better and stuff.

01;01;29;00 - 01;01;51;15
Unknown
And I started to see a lot of weird shit happen around me coming at me when I was in Hollywood. And morally, it felt wrong. And I realize I'm not going to go against what I feel is morally correct. you know, because it's it's not going to sit right with me. And I try not to think too much about stuff because I overthink everything.

01;01;51;17 - 01;02;16;23
Unknown
All right? And so if I, if I do something that I feel is morally incorrect, you know, that doesn't sit right with with my soul, with who I am, I'm gonna go down just a rabbit hole and probably commit suicide, you know what I'm saying? Like, I got some real shit. So I was like, I started just seeing, like, the grossness of Hollywood and the acting industry, and I was doing.

01;02;16;25 - 01;02;41;20
Unknown
I was acting in, Atlanta. I did like, a few, like, short films. I got to do some TV stuff in Atlanta, but I can't. Middle aged white casting directors kept calling me niche and it started to bother the fuck out of me. Really? They consider you niche? Yeah, yeah. Which is like, I get where they're coming from, but it's like in Hollywood, in the acting industry.

01;02;41;22 - 01;03;19;23
Unknown
Most of the casting people are white, middle aged, white people. And I explain it as they just got used to Wakanda niggers, you know what I'm saying? And so I got yo for real. and so their, their perspective in the acting industry in America of black people is very one dimensional, is very two dimensional, whatever. And so they wouldn't know where to categorize me because I don't fit what their stereotype would they think of black people are, I don't fit that description to them or whatever, because they just have a one dimensional view of us and stuff.

01;03;19;23 - 01;03;39;02
Unknown
So it's like, you know, they're sending me out for like, oh, you're going to audition for this gangster role? My nigga, like, anybody can look at me and be like, hey, they're not going to be like, oh, that's a gangsta. Yeah, that's that's that's a real like, you know, like drug dealer, hustler and stuff. And it was like I was getting sent out for this stuff.

01;03;39;02 - 01;03;57;19
Unknown
But then also all these middle aged white people that cast off were just calling me niche, and it felt like they were calling me a nigger and it was bothering me so much. Like, it just it felt gross. In the last time it happened, I was in like some zoom call with some, casting directors out of Georgia.

01;03;57;21 - 01;04;17;15
Unknown
And this one woman, she was like, you have a great look. You know, you're talented. You know, you're real is really good, but you're just so niche. And it, like, clicked in my head and I got to a point where I was like, you know what? Fuck all of y'all. I'm going to go full in on this comedy thing because I don't need any of y'all.

01;04;17;15 - 01;04;40;12
Unknown
Don't tell me I'm talented. I know I'm talented. I don't want to keep, you know, trying to impress these fucking white casting directors. I don't I don't care anymore. I'm gonna go do this comedy thing. I'm gonna get on stage as much as possible, and I'm just going to show everybody, like, what I can do. And then it'll get to a point where y'all going to be asking me to come to you.

01;04;40;12 - 01;05;00;07
Unknown
You're not going to ask me to to audition. Instead, you're going to ask me to, like, please come do this project, like come, come work with this or whatever, because it was just like, I got tired of trying to impress these people that really don't even give a fuck about me. And it's like. I will, I'll do it myself, you know, like, fuck all that.

01;05;00;07 - 01;05;21;00
Unknown
Like, I don't, I don't, I don't want y'all's approval. I don't care about your approval, I don't care. And stop. Call me niche. It's it it's making me uncomfortable I, I don't and it feels weird, like or whatever. And it's like just this. It is a very American thing to man. This fucking one dimensional view of, like, what box you in shit, you know?

01;05;21;00 - 01;05;43;20
Unknown
Yeah. Yeah. Well, people see black people as and like, is it. It was just bothering me so much. And. Yeah. So I'm just went full, full force on this comedy thing and just, you know, figuring it out one, one day at a time. But it's now I'm at a point where as things are really falling into place for me, like stuff is just falling into place.

01;05;43;20 - 01;06;02;09
Unknown
So I just got it. Keep praying and keep, keep working, honestly. I mean, so you doing it, I mean, for one, for you to even make the jump and go out here, you know, that's like a big thing. And this is coming from somebody who did it too. Like I very like, yeah, I've been into because I've, I've heard you say, you know, you just kind of came out here with a backpack in a carry on.

01;06;02;09 - 01;06;21;15
Unknown
Yeah. Like suitcase. Hell. what what is what happened? It's a good question. Yeah. Like, how do you how do you get to that point? Yeah. So actually, so I'll give like the recent one and maybe, you know, tie back into like the Edinburgh. Yeah. Yeah. But so I mean, a friend of mine, his name is Alex Payne.

01;06;21;22 - 01;06;46;06
Unknown
he's out from New York City. him and I, we did, like, a little small European tour, so we, like, started in Paris. then went to, the not. Yeah, went to Amsterdam. Rotterdam. Then we went to, Berlin, and then we came back to, Paris. So he's doing all these places and again, like, same thing you're saying that, you know, when we're doing these stages, we get like, a lot of love and it just felt cool, like people were meeting other communities there.

01;06;46;06 - 01;07;01;19
Unknown
Just like, you know, the world travelers are going out to Europe. Other places are telling us about other, you know, places like Berlin and, yeah, all these other spots, a tour. And I'm just like, wow, it just seemed like so exciting. And we also met some people who are comedians in Berlin that was in Paris doing their thing.

01;07;01;21 - 01;07;15;12
Unknown
So they was telling us about like, yo, Berlin is though, hit us up, let us know when you're here and stuff. So we went out to came out here to Berlin, you know, again, we have like maybe 4 or 5 days now, 4 or 5 days. We're doing like a lot of spots. So I was like, yo, are we doing I?

01;07;15;19 - 01;07;31;21
Unknown
And it felt a little bit like New York City, the way that the vibes are to some extent like the city. I'm like, you know. So I kept that in mind. Went back to Paris. Paris was there. Paris as I and I mean, if you don't speak French, it it's very difficult to blend in. Yeah, they definitely make you suffer if you try to learn how to speak French.

01;07;31;21 - 01;07;48;18
Unknown
Like if you don't say the words right, they just kind of like, I don't know what you're talking about. I'm pointing at the water right there. Oh, yeah. Like right there, you know? But y'all got American TV here. You know what the fuck I'm talking about? Come on, dog. Yeah. Y'all guys, you understand sign language appointing this year, I want this.

01;07;48;18 - 01;08;05;22
Unknown
I'm saying a word. Just put it in a glass. It's water. Stop making me, like, suffer with your word. Yeah. All right. So Paris was like, I was, I, you know, me. so then he went up to London, and then, I went to Berlin. So when I came to Berlin, at first I only had, like for a week or something.

01;08;05;22 - 01;08;22;05
Unknown
So a week I was doing spots and stuff. And again, I have friends that I met in Paris who's out here now, was from here and then went out to Paris, came back and, you know, as I say, I was kind of like almost living a life, so to speak, out here. So, you know, one of my other friends, his name is Pascal.

01;08;22;05 - 01;08;38;25
Unknown
He's like, yo, man, yo, if you're around, man, you got to really experience Berlin. Like in the springtime. You got to be out here for the 1st of May. It's like the Labor Day thing, so I, I was like, I, I mean, so I can my ticket. Right? And then he extended it and then as I was staying, I'm like, oh man, I'm living a life like I was working remotely.

01;08;38;25 - 01;08;54;29
Unknown
So then I was, you know, I will kind of work remotely, go get some food with some friends who were also working. So I just felt like I was building a life. Yeah. Make time. So it felt like New York City, but like in a castle or Berlin. Yeah. So I kind of start see myself here and then eventually one of my community friends, it just I don't know what it was like.

01;08;54;29 - 01;09;07;09
Unknown
Yeah. So, where are you going? What are you going to move here? I'm like, what am I going to move here? We talk I don't know about. I just got here. This is April last year. I might or May last year. I'm like, I'm it's like, yeah, I mean, you can get the artist visa. I'll say, what's that?

01;09;07;09 - 01;09;27;17
Unknown
The artist visa is a visa they can give to you. based on your art, they based on you being an artist, an amount of money you can make from that, and they'll give you a visa. So I was like, oh, I never heard of that. All right. Cool. And then there's another comedian where I asked her about it and she gave me like the full details you're talking about me in a way that I'll be like, hey, this is a sign from the universe that I should make this movie.

01;09;27;22 - 01;09;41;12
Unknown
Yeah, yeah. She was like, you need to go at this time. And so you wake up, you go to this page. Exactly. And this button will be available for you. Click you on any other time. It will not be available. I want at that time bro. That was available. Click the got it for an appointment or the artist visa.

01;09;41;12 - 01;09;58;02
Unknown
I was like this is a sign. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. You know. So then at that point I came back to New York. No this after so after all this, you know, I left, I came to New York, I think I asked her about it. She gave me that information. Once I got the information, then I was like, I start moving around New York.

01;09;58;02 - 01;10;12;00
Unknown
Different, man. I'm just like, I don't think about you. This. It's a bigger world out here, man. You know? And like, literally, my brain was disconnected from New York is more in Berlin. Yeah. So like, I was I was literally to the point where I was just like, yeah, man, I think, I think I'm going to make the move.

01;10;12;01 - 01;10;25;06
Unknown
Yeah. You know that I read this book called Die With Zero, which is about like, you know, living life in a way where you try to use all your money in the time that you're alive. So you're not you're not dying with too much money in the bank, but you're dying with a fulfilled life, and you're dying with zero.

01;10;25;06 - 01;10;40;11
Unknown
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that kind of just put me in its path. Like, you know, I think I'm going to move, man. Because, like, you know, I'm getting a lot of love out there is people there me giving me that detail, detailed breakdown. Yeah. I'm like, here it is. He will even like, yo, someone's next show with you next to.

01;10;40;11 - 01;10;57;25
Unknown
I don't get that. You know, like that don't happen in America like that unless you like famous. Yeah, but even even funny motherfuckers like even funny people that we both know, we know that no one's looking for them like that. Yeah, you got to fight to just be seen. So I'm like, I. Yeah. So then I start selling everything in New York, you know?

01;10;57;28 - 01;11;13;02
Unknown
Sold everything. And. Well, I try to sell everything. Most of it just got put on the curb. So you got a lot of money that I could have, gotten from selling it, but I just did it, and, Yeah, I put everything into a Carry-On suitcase and a book bag. I want to keep everything lean because I didn't know where I was going to stay, actually.

01;11;13;02 - 01;11;31;25
Unknown
Yeah. You know, I don't know. Any place I had to stay was my friends, shout out to his couch and, maybe, like, you know, a potential staying at a hostel for a little bit to blend in between. And the Airbnb. Yeah. So, like, I was like three places where because the Airbnb wasn't available at the time was going to come.

01;11;31;25 - 01;11;49;23
Unknown
So hostel and. Yeah, just came out here, man. I started packing. I started packing all my stuff three, four hours before my flight time leaving New York. So literally I was like, damn sure. I bring my my notebooks. Damn, I can fit in here now. I can fit my jacket, I can. So I leave, you know, doing that rock and roll shit too, man.

01;11;49;23 - 01;12;22;06
Unknown
Rock and roll. Yeah, man. Like is the America's cool is, you know, it's it is America is America. You know what I'm saying it in come doing comedy out there is cool but is like the one of the biggest reasons I do comedy and why I love comedy is just the amount of people you can meet doing it, the places you can go doing it, because it gets to a point in your comedy career where you know if you're good enough, you can do anything.

01;12;22;08 - 01;12;42;00
Unknown
You can really work in any field that you really if you really want to work in a different type of field, if you're good at comedy, you can pretty much work in any field. You know, like I, I used to, earlier this year before I got out, of America, I, I mc the dance competition, yeah.

01;12;42;07 - 01;13;05;16
Unknown
Oh, yeah. see, the dance competition, National dance competition. I went to, the first five and a half, six months of the year. I went to 20 different cities in the United States every single weekend. I was in a different city, and during the day, I wouldn't see these dance competitions at night. Depending on which city I was in, I would go and do comedy, bro.

01;13;05;16 - 01;13;26;06
Unknown
Yeah. What? And. Yeah. And but it's like, you know, the funny thing is, the first year I actually I took a few years off from the dance competition, but the first year I did the dance competition, I started doing comedy two because I just loved talking and I like to talk. Yeah, I just like talking and. If it's.

01;13;26;09 - 01;13;41;20
Unknown
I like the sound of my own voice, I really do, you know what I'm saying? Like, I could see a killer. Yeah, it is, it is, it is. I know it is. But, like, I can't help it. I, I was trying to be like yeah, no no no no I do, I do I like the sound of my voice whatever.

01;13;41;20 - 01;14;06;28
Unknown
And so I was just, I was emceeing these dance competitions in 2019 and then I, I was like, man, I really just like having this microphone in my hand. I like talking to crowds. Let me go and start doing comedy. Comedy. I was terrible my first two years, but it's like comedy can just get you into so many places and that aren't even comedy related.

01;14;06;28 - 01;14;33;13
Unknown
Really. You know what I'm saying? Comedy adjacent, but not, you know, and yeah, it's it's I, I do my best to like, not get caught up in, you know, the it because it's a hard career. It's a extremely hard career. It's a hard job. But also at the end of the day, know we're just telling jokes. We're just here to make people laugh.

01;14;33;19 - 01;14;51;22
Unknown
It's not we're not doing rocket science, you know? We're we're not building robots. We're not sending people to the moon. We're just here to make people laugh, you know? And and like, I try not to take it too soon because at the end of the day, bro, people just want to laugh. People need to laugh. Let's provide that.

01;14;51;22 - 01;15;12;26
Unknown
Let's not get all caught up in the the logistical business I still like take care of your business, take care of the logistics so you can actually make it into a business. But at the end of the day, it's just jokes. And like, I love talking to comedians, especially when they get all like real serious and like, banter when it's like, dog breathe.

01;15;12;28 - 01;15;32;29
Unknown
Yeah. Oh, what's my laugh for a minute? What's what? We're here to just give people some joy. You know, we're here to just, like, make people happier. Because the people that come to comedy shows, you don't know what you know they did during the day. They probably had a shitty day. You know, they probably got Mark in the office that keeps eating their lunch or something.

01;15;32;29 - 01;15;56;17
Unknown
You know, they they got a boss that makes them uncomfortable. They maybe had like somebody honking at them while they were driving. Like do they're they're trying to get away from their life and just not think about the world burning for an hour. You know, like we we just facilitate positivity in like a good time or whatever. It's it's the best like job in the world.

01;15;56;17 - 01;16;15;19
Unknown
It is like still a job nonetheless. But like so many comedians, like we get even myself, I have to like, check myself sometimes like, hey bro, calm down, chill out drew. I'm here to just make people like, I'm not here to do anything that profound. Yeah. You know, it's is tough business. I mean, as Patrice O'Neal said, man, like, comedy is funny.

01;16;15;19 - 01;16;43;01
Unknown
The business is not. Yeah, the business is not the business. It's the business aspect sucks. And especially like in just the one thing I liked about London and I kind of dislike at the same time when whenever, you know, you go to someplace where there is a pretty thriving comedy scene, but nobody knows you, you got to, like, prove yourself, you know?

01;16;43;01 - 01;17;06;25
Unknown
And I don't mind doing that, but it's also like, dog, I'm telling you, I'm good at this or whatever. Like, oh yeah, whatever. They're right says they're good at coming. He's like, all right, give me five minutes. Just give me five minutes. Watch what I can do in five minutes. All right? Like, just trust me or whatever. And it's like, bro, when I to get into, top secret, I was harassing them when I got back from Edinburgh.

01;17;06;26 - 01;17;23;09
Unknown
Yeah, because, bro, to get inside, that's. They ain't. No, I mean, I have some friends I pass at that, but, they ain't no, like, they ain't no regular process, bro. I after Edinburgh, I went to Top Secret, showed up. I was like, hey, can I talk to Mark? They were like, Mark's not here. He's on vacation. All right.

01;17;23;09 - 01;17;41;01
Unknown
Cool. How do I, perform here? They're like, oh, we booked. They have sent us an email, sent them an email a week later, didn't hear nothing back. I showed back up again. I was like, hey, is Mark here? Mark actually was there. He was like, yeah, as soon as email do do, I stepped outside. I sent the email.

01;17;41;01 - 01;17;59;00
Unknown
I walk back in, I said, hey, I just sent the email like, and he kind of gave me he kind of was like, oh, you're like persistent, like, okay, like cool, like kind of leave us alone. And then they finally like, but I seen them send it from a different email because I didn't want them to be like, damn, this dude.

01;17;59;00 - 01;18;17;03
Unknown
Like, this dude emailed us twice from the same email, who is this crazy person? But I was literally dog. I'm one of those type of people. I am going to just show up until I don't even need a fool like me. I got lucky with Top Secret because they gave me like a 40 minutes my first set, which nice rarely happens or whatever.

01;18;17;03 - 01;18;33;24
Unknown
But like even with cosmic out here last week I showed up. I was like, hey, like, who's the owner, Darth Vader? Hey, can I speak to Darth Vader? Was not here yet. All right. Cool. I'll just wait here for walks in. Hey what's up man? Like, I'm Jordan, I'm from Texas, man. You know, comedian out here to perform.

01;18;33;24 - 01;18;48;07
Unknown
I don't have any, like, spots coming up. All right, that's cool. I'm gonna just keep showing up. I'll just keep showing up to you. But me on stage. Oh, shit. You put me on stage. Like, here's the amount of time I got. All right. Cool. Watch me rock out. Oh, shit. You invited me back, like, because it's like I.

01;18;48;10 - 01;19;19;21
Unknown
I've. You have to believe in yourself. In this shit now, you know? And it was like the, like, I'm going to harass you until you put me on stage. And if you put me on stage that first time and I don't do well, cool. Like, I understand what it is, but like, it is what it is. I didn't, you know, do well to your standards, but in my brain I'm going to do well to use it my every time I'm on stage, regardless if it's like just a small shit room or like a legit, like really good club in my brain, I'm at sold out show Showtime at the Apollo.

01;19;19;23 - 01;19;41;26
Unknown
every single time, every single day. Even when I was just only doing open mics and not making any money at all, it was like Showtime at the Apollo, Showtime at the Apollo. But I will, like, get on your nerves until you put me out. And then I'll chill out, because then it's like, hey, now you just, you know, I showed you, I showed you the product, you, you know, react however you want to react.

01;19;41;26 - 01;20;05;07
Unknown
But I don't mind harassing you. I don't mind annoying you, I really don't, I don't care. You do need that though. I know some people that done that and it got them very far and like that. That has been like one of the qualities that like of that persistence and belief and like, oh yeah, that's. Yeah. Because dog like, nobody's going to believe in you the way you're going to believe in you if you really believe it.

01;20;05;10 - 01;20;23;26
Unknown
Like, no, that's why I like I, I've, I've been trying to like find like management and stuff too. And I've had managers in the past, but I've realized I'm going harder for myself. Still, I need somebody that's going to go as hard as I will go for myself on this. Like more logistical in, oh, you're not going that hard.

01;20;23;26 - 01;20;51;12
Unknown
Cool. Whatever. Like I'll figure it out myself, like, but I'm, it's it's almost like a disease. It's a sickness. It's not healthy ever. Just really not because it's like, if I put this type of energy into drugs, I'd be on the street, you know, cracked out or whatever, strung out or whatever. But it's like I just put this type of weird, addictive energy into, you know, this craft of comedy.

01;20;51;12 - 01;21;11;22
Unknown
And it's like, if you want to get rid of me, let me perform once. And if I do bad, I'll leave you alone for the rest of your life. But guess what? I don't believe that I'll ever do I, but I, like everybody says like, you know, you bomb all the time, I bomb one time. I've done. I've had shows where it's like, oh, I didn't do well.

01;21;11;22 - 01;21;32;17
Unknown
I wasn't that proud of myself. I don't I don't like how comics are like, oh, you're going to bomb a lot. Fuck that. okay. Here. Fuck that thinking. So now we've got to delineate not delineate. But, to set the definition. What's your definition of mommy? So my definition of bombing, I always go back to my second time doing comedy all the time I was in LA.

01;21;32;19 - 01;21;49;15
Unknown
I was in, like, I was in North Hollywood. I was in, like, this weed lounge. And so I was like, oh, everybody's like smoking weed or whatever, and like, I like, I smoke, but like, this was a different type of, like, smoking culture that I wasn't really used to. So I was just like smoking or whatever.

01;21;49;17 - 01;22;13;05
Unknown
And I remember I was bombing so bad. I had an out-of-body experience in the middle of my set, literally. It felt like I was my spirit was floating behind me, watching me going, this is not going well for you. I did so bad. I quit comedy for a year and a half. Well, I don't think that's bomb. I think that's you just dying like.

01;22;13;07 - 01;22;38;07
Unknown
Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah, bro. No, it was the. The bomb killed me. The bomb killed me, though. It literally killed me. You, soldier. You saw your body on stage, and you go to have you like. Oh, yo. Yeah, yeah. I literally died, like that. And I was like, man, fuck comedy. I'm never doing this shit ever again. And then a year and a half later, went by.

01;22;38;09 - 01;22;55;06
Unknown
Well, it was horrible. It was so bad. It was funny. It was so bad, that I never heard of, like, I've had a body. I've never had that experience ever again, though, you know? But I quit for a year and a half. I was like, I'm never doing this guy once, you know? Yeah. Depend on what you believe in.

01;22;55;06 - 01;23;15;09
Unknown
Man, that shit made me. I was devastated and devastated. And then year and a half, I had a friend, Mike Fallon. he was doing a show in downtown L.A., and they had an open mic afterwards, and he was. And I just went to support him. You know, I had no intentions of performing. And he was like, man, you should sign up for the open mic.

01;23;15;11 - 01;23;29;19
Unknown
I was like, no, I'm good, bro. I'm I'm just here too, because I remember dying on stage the year before, prior whatever. And he was like, man, just sign up for the open mic. I'm not I'm not doing that. He goes, man, stop being a fucking bitch. And I was like, oh, that's all right. That's all right, all right.

01;23;29;19 - 01;23;54;14
Unknown
Niggas like, I ain't bad. Cool. That's all they got to say, you know, do it, say less and so simple that before and by no means like I didn't do great at all. I remember I got, like, a few laughs. And then there was a comic there that was on the showcase that he was, he was touring with Conan O'Brien, and he was smoking a cigaret on the patio after my performance.

01;23;54;17 - 01;24;17;04
Unknown
And I just went out there to get some air, drink some water. And he was like, hey, man, like that wasn't really that good, but you have it, but you got it. And I was like, okay, all right. And just hearing that from an actual professional touring working comedian, that was enough for me to get the bug. And then that's when I just started hitting it.

01;24;17;04 - 01;24;42;26
Unknown
Every single night. Every single night. Every single night. Yeah. But that was, that was the end of April 2019. But the astronomical death bomb was in 2018. So like I tell people, I started in 2019, but my first time being on stage was actually 2018 or whatever, but it was I haven't bomb since that second one. I've had definitely have performances like man for everyone, bombs for like.

01;24;42;26 - 01;24;56;21
Unknown
Yeah, because because that's all I want to know what it's like a bomb. Like I know that's there ain't no bomb. Yeah, that is it. Yeah. It was horrible. Bro. Was the worst. It was the worst shit I've ever felt. Yeah, that's a different qualification. I don't even know what you call it. Yeah, that's. Yeah, I don't know.

01;24;56;21 - 01;25;17;16
Unknown
It's more than a bomb. Yeah. You know, but I don't get into this mindset because I feel like it's it's more like damaging than anything that I just see so many comics doing, like, oh, you're going to bomb all the time, I think. I think somebody's putting that on you before the act is like, destructive. Yeah. I mean, I think, I think it is in terms of, you know, sometimes it is what it is.

01;25;17;16 - 01;25;32;18
Unknown
I know they got a bomb, you know. Yeah. Like, well, once it's done, like once it's like, all right. You saw that. You're like, you know, all right. Did you see the ground? You see the rubble. Yeah. I think you're right. Like y'all build something, y'all. I do good, y'all. You see the skyscraper like not nigga. We don't.

01;25;32;21 - 01;25;48;11
Unknown
What are you talking about? Yeah. He's like look, all right, we get it. Let me just move on. And it's like I was not good at comedy my first two years at all. I just like was I would go and do a shitty open mic in LA and then, you know, I would go back to my Kia Soul and cry in the backseat and go to sleep, you know?

01;25;48;13 - 01;26;05;24
Unknown
Deal. Yeah, bro. He is. So yeah, bro, nigga, you was fucking who? Well yeah bro. yeah, he was out there, bro. Yeah I was, I was just like out there, but I, I just fell and I fell and I always knew I wanted to do comedy. I was so scared to do it. But I just really, really fell in love with it.

01;26;05;25 - 01;26;23;21
Unknown
It was just so cool to me. Man is like, damn, because nobody there's no blueprint for comedy. There's no right or wrong way to do comedy. As long as people are laughing, that's all that matters. It. It's like, I also don't see competition in comedy. There's only one me, there's only one you. And we're all our own individual person.

01;26;23;24 - 01;26;41;12
Unknown
Nobody can do me better than me. Nobody can do you better than you. Why am I competing with people? You know what I'm saying? Let's. Let's uplift each other. Because at the end of the day, one thing I love about comedy and comedians, I have so many comedian friends, especially like in Texas, man, that, you know, we don't agree on stuff socially.

01;26;41;12 - 01;26;58;03
Unknown
We don't agree religiously, we don't agree politically, we don't agree on so many things, but we both do this thing called stand up comedy. And I have the utmost respect for anybody that decides to get on the stage and grab that mic and talking to it like, I don't. I don't care like what we disagree on, we agree on this thing.

01;26;58;03 - 01;42;48;28
Unknown
And that's like the biggest like respect thing to me, you know, because like men, when I was doing the whole acting like thing serious, I still act. But like when I was like really in the acting in.