Being the European Boss, Corporate America, and Growing on Social Media w/ Dan Pulzello | Ep 70

I sit with Dan and we talk about his social media fame as the European Boss, how he got to that point, the difficulties working in Corporate America, and difference between American and European office life

We also talk about our start in comedy in NYC, American politics, and comedy tour inside jokes.

Dan Pulzello is a rising New York stand-up comic who recently appeared on Amazon Prime's "Game Breakers." He has performed across the United States  and has also taken his act internationally to England, Ireland, Canada, The Netherlands, Germany, and the Adelaide Fringe Festival. He performs regularly at New York Comedy Club, The Tiny Cupboard, Westside Comedy Club, The Grisly Pear Eastville Comedy Club, Stone Street Comedy Club, and others.

His comedy series "EU VS USA" has found success online, with over 100 million views across Instagram and TikTok. In addition to his work as a performer, Dan has written comedy content for National Geographic, NASA, and IBM, along with other faceless corporations.

Dan's Socials
Instagram | Tiktok | Youtube

Timestamps
00:32 DragonBall Z Inside Jokes
09:23 Growing up in New Jersey and Sopranos
17:55 Living in New York City and the grind
25:16 Entertainment, Seeking Validation and Creativity
30:21 Evolution of Making Funny Content
30:21 Pros and Cons of Social Media
45:17 Celebrity, Fame and the Cost of Maintaining It
55:02 Origins of The "European Boss"
01:00:51 American vs European Corporate Culture
01:08:10 Tips on Growing on Social Media
01:18:48 Advice To Younger Self

-------------------------------------------------------------------
Third Culture Talk Podcast is about people living in different cultures. Different than the culture they are from. Culture meaning, way of life, culture a person raised in, or place of birth. Guests ranges from third culture kids, artists, to comedians, to everyday people. We all are living in changing cultures and have a story to tell

Support The Podcast
https://patreon.com/thirdculturetalkpodcast

Subscribe to Third Culture Talk Podcast YouTube channel:
https://youtube.com/@nyayeanafehn

Nya's Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/nyamean

Podcast Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/thirdculturetalkpod/

Podcast TikTok
https://www.tiktok.com/@thirdculturetalkpod

Email: nya@nyamean.com

-------------------------------------------------
Music: "Chill Day" by Lakey Inspired

Transcript

00;00;00;00 - 00;00;17;17
Unknown
I had this job interview where I like went in and I like it was a sales job, and the guy was like, they were just fucking alpha dogging me. Like it was so strange. Everybody that works there was a psychopath. I go in and they're they're like, what? Like they're just ask me all these questions and stuff. It just like, really like it was really adversarial.

00;00;17;22 - 00;00;31;21
Unknown
And this one guy goes like, what? What's the reason you get up in the morning? And I was like, To make the world a better place. And he was like, no, ask me. And I was like, why do you get up in the morning? He's like, money. Welcome to the third Culture Talk podcast. I'm your host Nya Yeanafehn.

00;00;31;23 - 00;00;49;12
Unknown
In this podcast, we talk with people that are raised in a culture different than their parents, home culture or way of life or nationality. And now they're living in today's culture, which is vastly different than it is of our parents or even back in the day. So let's get in. Today's episode. What's going on, bro? How you doing?

00;00;49;15 - 00;01;13;19
Unknown
No, man, how the heck? I would ask Ben, but we've been together nonstop for five days. Six days though I think we know too much about how well we're doing. Yes, we vet for the people at home. We've been touring for seven days or more. I think it's like exactly seven days. Yeah, seven days now. So that's, how many hours together sleeping in the same room?

00;01;13;21 - 00;01;34;22
Unknown
Yeah. We've been we've been cutting it up with a chat and now we've been, getting some inside jokes going on, too. Yes. Yeah, a lot of more Dragon Ball Z references than you would think, given both of our demographics. That's what binds us together, you know? Yeah. You know, I mean, I think, all of our unity comes down to the Dragon Ball Z references that, you know.

00;01;34;22 - 00;01;57;04
Unknown
Yes. Yeah. And then what? Like, which villain do you think is the coolest? And it's like margin, though obviously by a mile. Everybody of course. Yeah. Or if you want to go a different route, Prince Vegeta not regular Vegeta. Yeah. Prince Vegeta! Vegeta. Yes! Yeah. Who do I look to for motivation in my times of need? You just before show.

00;01;57;06 - 00;02;19;04
Unknown
I'm ready. Did you ever try and do. Did you ever try and go super saying, oh, what? Yeah. Yes, yes. You ever see, you know, it's nuts. Is the, they've got some, like, video recordings of the guy, like the actual, like, original voice of Goku and like, the Japanese language. Yeah. So you could see the videos of him in the recording booth going Super Saiyan.

00;02;19;04 - 00;02;41;11
Unknown
Oh, shit. That exists. Oh, no. Really? Yeah, that's a real thing. Okay, I got a question. So you've done it before? Yeah. I mean, I don't think I ever tried to, like, scream like that. There was like one episode I remember where they were like, you can harness, like, the energy. And they were it was talk about like, do like a deep breath and you can get like a, I don't know, whatever they call like the energy lychee or something like that.

00;02;41;13 - 00;02;53;26
Unknown
And I did that and I was like, oh my God, I felt something, but I realized I just, I wasn't breathing, I just forgot to breathe. So of course I felt like I felt like something in my stomach. I was like, oh my God. It was super sad that it's like, no, you're on the verge of passing out.

00;02;53;28 - 00;03;13;22
Unknown
You're fucking this restricted airways. Yeah. He's not fucking letting the air go about. Yeah. You do like, the one part of it, but not the full. Like what? Yeah. The, super set of such a dude. A sort of boy thing. Just like. It's like I want to be this. You're telling me I could become the strongest, and I just scream, and I like, how are you doing that position right there with your hands?

00;03;13;25 - 00;03;28;11
Unknown
I feel like that's the one. That's. Yeah. Yeah. You just stand still as a board trying to go super saying there's always that you always, hunch over. Yeah. You always like the, you know, I would prescribe that if I was like, a doctor. I was like, trading little, little boys. Like, I'd be like, hey, what are your problems?

00;03;28;11 - 00;03;43;14
Unknown
It's like, I'm just like, racism. Okay? Just try and go Super Saiyan, like, once a day. It probably gets like, a lot of energy out. Yeah, as long as you're not, like, popping blood vessels. I think that would probably be the end. Breathing. Yeah. Breathing is huge. Big time. If you doing like this, you're not breathing, that's for sure.

00;03;43;15 - 00;03;58;05
Unknown
You're going to pass? Yeah. It was the perfect show for boys. Oh, the absolute perfect show. Where do you remember the first time you tried doing it? Like the place you were at that you tried doing? Oh, so low. Yeah. So low. I was watching the I think I was like, watching an episode, like on TV.

00;03;58;05 - 00;04;13;09
Unknown
And, you know, it was crazy as I was embarrassed by watching Dragon Ball Z. I don't know why I, like, kept it secret. It, I don't know, like. Yeah, I don't know why I didn't feel like I could share that with other people are trying to, like, seek it out of just like you guys watching this because it was Toonami.

00;04;13;09 - 00;04;31;28
Unknown
Toonami was right. It was like on Cartoon Network, and it was like a section of Cartoon Network that was like specifically anime. And it'd be on like, remember, it would be on before, like football practice when I was in like seventh and eighth grade and I like watch it then. Yeah. You know what's funny, though, is that it was like an open secret because like, I mean, yeah, everybody watched it.

00;04;31;29 - 00;04;48;02
Unknown
Yeah. But it was such an open secret that is like it's kind of like you only tell 1 or 2 people certain things that happened in the last episode, but not it wasn't like an open conversation. You didn't want to be like, you didn't want to say how much you knew. And I think it was like something happened with being a nerd while we were kids.

00;04;48;02 - 00;05;15;09
Unknown
I'm not. I don't think I'm breaking any new ground, but like, it's way more acceptable to be like super into, like, Marvel and comic books now. And I don't even know where the stigma would have come from of like, oh, that's, you know, you're a nerd. You're watching like, Japanese cartoons or something like that. But nowadays, like, I mean, my brother is he's like the, the oldest Gen Z, and before I see a marvel movie, I'm like, hey, can you just, like, just tell me where this exists?

00;05;15;09 - 00;05;34;08
Unknown
The cinematic universe? Like, that's like, oh, knowing that shit is now like a a badge of honor, at least in Gen Z. And at least amongst, like, dudes and stuff. Yeah. In a way that, like, I don't think it really was when we were growing up. It was kind of just like a closeted, like Dragon Ball Z fandom, just like fucking Spirit bomb in a closet with no door.

00;05;34;10 - 00;05;52;16
Unknown
Yeah, exactly. The only way to get out. The only way to get out as a general. Yeah. Like you could have blow the the walls open, so you just stay there, but still no doors or, like, are you doing the Super Saiyan? Yeah. Again. Just keep blowing the the doors off of my house. Go! And Super Saiyan.

00;05;52;22 - 00;06;10;15
Unknown
Yeah, I think the first was I tried, I remember I, I was in the shower and I tried doing it, and that's a good spot for you. Yeah. Good thing I had enough water to just shower away. The shame that I had. So I was like, oh, all right. Clearly this is not going to work. Clearly, this black boy is not going to get gold hair.

00;06;10;16 - 00;06;30;18
Unknown
Yeah. And, get gold eyebrows. There was I remember like, there's something like there was some meme that there was something, something, something that people like, oh, Piccolo's black. You know, it's funny to have black people, claimed piccolo, the character from Dragon Ball Z. It's you. You can't. Can not. Yeah. Like he has so many stoic table like features that are like an OG would have.

00;06;30;21 - 00;06;46;09
Unknown
And he had Gohan. He's the one took him under the wing like that was such a he was an OG. Yeah. That's such like, mentor kind of mentor, a tough love you like, suck it up like, yo, you know, yo, you know, you you hardly. You can't be crying. You know me. So I was like, very.

00;06;46;16 - 00;07;03;07
Unknown
Oh, that's my dad. Like, oh my God. Like that's. Yeah. I can't remember where. But it checks out for me too. I could say like yep, go for it. Yeah. Piccolo's black. He's always down for. He's always about that action. He always like, he's like, you know, he's always like, yo, I know you. I know you ain't. Try to come here, try to do this.

00;07;03;10 - 00;07;21;14
Unknown
I mean you get, you know, I mean, you get fucked up. You know, it's episode one, episode two. When he comes back for, like, a rebirth, like, right, season finale. And I think even his facial expressions. I ain't gonna lie. That was that, I mean, his he had responsible expressions that a black person would have in that scenario.

00;07;21;14 - 00;07;38;02
Unknown
Yeah, I you see, so my power levels and this and that or whatever, I was like, whoa, where'd that come from? He's like like he's just like, you know, he's like, what the fuck you know? Yeah. Yo, somebody over 10,000. Yo, what the fuck? You know, it's over 10,000. Yeah. That was, that was the meme. I remember what it was.

00;07;38;06 - 00;07;58;24
Unknown
It's a 10,000. 9000? It's over 9000 now. A thousand. The fuckin sense of large, you know? Yeah. God, that was to. Yeah. The end. We should explain. Dragon ball Z was a Japanese cartoon. Yes. It's very, Japanese gigantic. When we were. And I don't even know, like, if it was, like, being released while we were that age, like 11, 12.

00;07;58;29 - 00;08;15;05
Unknown
And, I'd probably be like, 21, 1999, I think. So I don't know if they were coming out at that point in America or if they'd come out in Japan like years before. And then there were I never knew, like when, when, when it was coming out, Canada had Dragon Ball and then Dragon Ball Z was some. No, I know Dragon Ball.

00;08;15;07 - 00;08;29;22
Unknown
I only got to like a little bit after Dragon Ball Z because he had like so many sides. Yeah, they didn't do a good job of like explaining the sagas to us, which I think like again, like nerd culture now it's like, you know, the where everything fits into things and you'd be watching Dragon Balls, like it's kind of the same.

00;08;29;22 - 00;08;45;28
Unknown
Was this produced after the all of the like you just said? No, it is like has a monkey tail. Like I don't understand anything that's going on. Yeah. What's happening is Satan's and what is that about? And then like, I mean, yeah, it was just straight for dudes. It's just straight violence. Like, I mean, you know, we're in a cell saga.

00;08;45;28 - 00;09;09;20
Unknown
We're like, let it go on this, Father Goku, just watch. And I'm just like, I'm down, beat down by cell. I'm talking about, like, even watching it now. Like, God damn, like straight. Not like I'm holding my punches back. I'm talking about cross. Like boom. Yeah. Kids and kids hitting animals. There was a lot of violence, a lot of planets getting destroyed by fucking lasers.

00;09;09;20 - 00;09;34;20
Unknown
Like, cut into the the core of the Earth's crust and shit like you. Damn. Yeah. What the fuck? It was a good damn them people die kind of bad. Well, I don't even know if you can rewatch, but, like, the the the joke going for Dragon Ball Z was always like, you have like the previously on Dragon Ball Z and like that would be at the beginning of the episode, and it would be like five minutes of explaining where you were at, and then it'd be the episode, and then it would be like next time on Dragon Ball Z.

00;09;34;22 - 00;09;54;20
Unknown
So I think the episodes were like maybe 20, 25 minutes, and it was probably only like ten minutes of actual animating because you're just constantly chopping like shit from the last episode. You do the episode and then shit from the next episode. Yeah, and I also like the the environment, like changing or exploding or like that, like a bowling game could cut in half.

00;09;54;26 - 00;10;09;27
Unknown
Are the animals running or the trees are splitting at, yeah, yeah, there's a lot of exposure. It was very artistic exposé type of like shots and stuff. Yeah. And I was like, all right, that's cool. But like, yo, Goku, what's happening now? Like, where you at with this Frieza thing, you know? Yeah, but yeah, what a show.

00;10;10;01 - 00;10;31;25
Unknown
Yeah. Great show, but, changing gears. Yeah. So the. So you, So you originally from Jersey, right. From the mean streets of North. North, North or south? Yes. South Jersey, central Jersey. But you know, south or there's no. Yeah. There's no central north. It's no such thing as central. Yeah. So you there's just it's so easy to cut things at three quarters.

00;10;31;27 - 00;10;50;23
Unknown
Yeah. Jersey is its own. I just don't know where central Jersey like where the North part would be. Morristown maybe is at like the end of central Jersey. Yeah. So, New Brunswick, I was Lucas's, central. Yeah. When you start getting to the. And what's the name of that Linden? No, no, Linden is definitely. That's North Jersey.

00;10;50;23 - 00;11;15;24
Unknown
Yeah, yeah. Metro Park. Okay. Maybe Metro Park is. Then that's where we start, you know, but has to, like, north to central. Yeah. Yeah. But like to. Yeah. Because Trenton is like, not south Jersey. Yeah. Really. It's its own thing. Like even that middle part going like towards the shore and shit you know. Yeah I think Jersey is like not it's as small as it is.

00;11;15;24 - 00;11;36;22
Unknown
It's 8 million people, maybe 9 million people now. And it's not a monolith like it's a kind of a complicated state. Yeah. Like there's a lot of different pockets of stuff. Like specifically, I grew up in North Jersey at the time when, like The Sopranos was on and you'd watch The Sopranos, I don't think I wasn't even really allowed to watch it while I was on.

00;11;36;25 - 00;12;09;29
Unknown
You just knew that it was like gigantic while it was happening. It was like the biggest TV show. And then you would watch, like, I remember watching like the pilot episode and they shoot in this location and I was like, that's around the corner from me. Oh shit. So that was like, where? Yeah, we just that was kind of our like a lot of people, I think a lot of dudes my age and like adults my age that had like Italian last name or something that kind of clung to the ideals that you saw on The Sopranos or that you saw in Goodfellas, or that you saw in like, yeah, there's just like a

00;12;09;29 - 00;12;33;12
Unknown
weird cultural time when like, Italian American actors were like a big deal, especially, like for dudes and stuff. So I think that that's to the best explanation of, like, where I grew up is like, there's a pizza place. It was like all cash. And you always there's always people that you knew, like maybe are like mob related.

00;12;33;13 - 00;12;56;02
Unknown
You can't say like, yeah, it was cool to think that people were in the mob or something. And then, you know, like, there is like one person I won't get in any details, but there was a dad who disappeared and like, people were like, oh, watch the movie. Suspicious. Yeah. So yeah, that was kind of where I.

00;12;56;04 - 00;13;21;08
Unknown
Yeah, just like fucking crammed. New Jersey's crammed with people. Too many people. Yeah. Big. Big like Italian. Like there just a no actual relationship to the country of Italy, but just like a relationship to, like, Italian American, like cultural institutions. And that was like half Irish. To which I don't really like, talk about on stage because it's I'll just pick one maybe for the second hour, I'll talk about it for the sake of comedy.

00;13;21;08 - 00;13;37;27
Unknown
I'm not gonna. Yeah. Just put it out there. I'm not gonna lie myself with others. Yeah, but like family, like all, like Tri-State area. A lot of people like, you know, you can trace our lineage, like, way back to, like, Ellis Island, like people coming in and then just, like, sticking around, like, wow. All my cousins, like, are, like northeast.

00;13;37;27 - 00;13;56;21
Unknown
Some of them will go as far south as, like, Virginia. And then, yeah, we just all like my mom's side. My dad's side. Everybody just, like, stuck around in that, like New York metro area. Like as far out as, like. So I'd visit my cousins on, like, Long Island. They'd come to us like my dad had family, like in new Jersey and stuff.

00;13;56;21 - 00;14;13;25
Unknown
So it's all like everybody's kind of right on top of each other. Well, just right in that northeast. Yeah, real close to the city. But like, the city doesn't. It's weird. It has like, now that I live in New York and like, living in New York, you're like, you recognize that it has like, it's the center of so many things.

00;14;13;25 - 00;14;33;10
Unknown
But growing up outside of the city was kind of just like a it just felt like a movie set. It wasn't even a place you could like, go to or like get into, like it. It's so difficult to navigate as, like a child, you need your parents to take you there. It's difficult to get in like my mom would like, take me into to New York for, like, take your kid to work day.

00;14;33;13 - 00;14;56;11
Unknown
Actually working? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. She worked in New York. My dad worked in New York, and, it just did it. Yeah. It didn't feel like a place. It was, I mean, my experience with New York growing up was just like different corporate buildings. Like, just different, gigantic, like 50 story. You go in and it's all, like, just hanging out with, like, my parents, coworkers and stuff.

00;14;56;11 - 00;15;24;03
Unknown
And then now living there as, like, a 30 year old, just like, oh, this is just like, it's got, like a beating heart of, like, every different. There's just levels to it. There's layers to it. Like if you want to if like I remember talking to a guy about living in New York and it was I won't say his name, but he was really he was a comedian, I think you might know, but he was in the, he was really into the illegal poker, world in New York.

00;15;24;03 - 00;15;42;24
Unknown
And so he was a bouncer, but he'd also, like, be involved in, you know, whatever, like high stakes illegal gambling in New York. Wow. And I found that out because I was doing a comedy class with him, and we were in this, like, rented studio space where there's, like, a bunch of different. It's one floor and there's like seven different small studio spaces.

00;15;42;26 - 00;16;12;19
Unknown
And we walk out of the comedy class, we walk by another corner, he's like, oh, that's that studio is where we used to run like an illegal gambling ring. Wow. What? It was in the same place that we're doing a standup comedy class. And then if you went down another studio, it was like, you know, depending on the day, like some sort of, I don't know, some commercial where, like, all the people were like African American and so was just like full of just like African American, like actors and models and everybody's like, hot and dressed real cool.

00;16;12;19 - 00;16;28;12
Unknown
And you have no idea what's going on. But like, that's New York is just all of these layers just like on top of each other. And it's just however, you know, wherever you want to, like whatever layer you're on, that's just what you see. But then you can, like, go up and down and, you know, like there's just different scenes.

00;16;28;12 - 00;16;51;20
Unknown
It's up in new Jersey. Just felt kind of, more fractured than that. It just felt like it didn't feel like everything was like meshing or anything, like I was in, growing up, it was like new Jersey sports. And that was it. But it just felt like, yeah, I don't know. It was just kind of New York is just like super like lateral and you could see everything, but it's like vertical as well.

00;16;51;20 - 00;17;11;12
Unknown
And then I think new Jersey just felt like kingdoms. These like small little kingdoms. You travel around like kingdom, the kingdom. Which I don't know if that makes any sense, but now it does. I mean, it's kind of crazy too, because it's so it's like the most highly, densely, densely populated state. Yeah. The country or in the northeast or something.

00;17;11;12 - 00;17;26;09
Unknown
Yes. And so like, it's I think it's the most densely populated state in the country. Yeah. And it's like where it feels like that to your point, like kingdoms or fiefdoms or whatever. Yeah. Like it's it's very segmented. But in, in New York City, I remember I used to go there to buy, fake Jordans and fake.

00;17;26;09 - 00;17;44;03
Unknown
Was I younger. Yeah. And basically go on Canal Street. So go on Canal Street and basically you have some dudes in Colorado, got some Jordans, we got this, you got that or whatever. So you go to that person like, oh, I heard you got some Jordans, whatever. Yeah, you can follow me. So you go somewhere and you go inside this building that's like, it feels like there's abandoned and this space is not being used.

00;17;44;03 - 00;18;01;27
Unknown
Yeah. And then somebody will like, knock on a, on a wall three times and be like a false wall. That's on my own. Yeah. How are you going there? I'm talking about it was bustling on the like at least fit like 30, 50 people in there getting like these knock off, you know, jerseys or whatever. And it's it's on the cops raid and like either cops are coming like suspect some just happen.

00;18;02;00 - 00;18;18;14
Unknown
Yeah. Run by the cops. Cops here. So everyone be silent. Yeah. And then you hear somebody, like, talking like. Yeah. You know. Hey, officer, how you doing now? We just, you know, doing some construction is not blah, blah, blah, you know, are cool. Thank you very much for checking. You know and accountability like all right man. So yeah we got some Jordans, you know.

00;18;18;14 - 00;18;38;20
Unknown
Two 5250 this is about black. Yeah. So like even every pocket has their own thing to you. Point is like yeah York is. Yeah. I mean there's so many like, but the uses of space is so like distinct. Yes. You know, it's not like, okay, we use it for this and we use it. It's like not this is, this is used from 1 to 3 p.m..

00;18;38;21 - 00;18;57;02
Unknown
Yeah. 3.5 is an illegal gambling ring. Yeah. Then from six to whatever it is, a dance studio. Yeah. It's a, I love it. I don't know, I'm leaving is going to be. Nobody ever talks about, like, living in New York City forever. It's kind of like a temporary arrangement. I think everybody's like, circumstances are like. That's how temporary it is.

00;18;57;02 - 00;19;17;24
Unknown
Unless you break through to some level of wealth that's like, are you got like family wealth or, you know, I'm just gonna take over my great grandparents apartment or something like that, right. Yeah, I don't think. Yeah. I mean, I'm, I'm loving living in New York for now until, you know, a price increase in rent. I was explaining this to, everybody in New York.

00;19;17;24 - 00;19;32;07
Unknown
People like, because you see comedians and stuff, and it's like, how you been like, what's up? And, you know, you kind of think like, oh, what is that? What have I done since I saw you? And the big news that I was sharing with people for a while, I was like, oh, I just found out that my rent didn't go up this year, dude.

00;19;32;07 - 00;19;51;04
Unknown
Like, people are like, oh my God, that's awesome. Like, that's how it's not rent control. It just like, I don't know if it was a mistake on somebody part, but like, we just we got they were like, here's your rent for this year. And it was for the whole next year and it's the same amount. And we were just like, that opens up a whole.

00;19;51;04 - 00;20;13;04
Unknown
We just anticipated that it was going to go up. But just like by how much? And I think New York can like the fact that that's miraculous is. Yeah. Like, that is that's kind of an insight into that. Every element of New York has some edge to it, like that of like, yeah, if my rent goes up like 200 bucks, like, that's, that's going to break me.

00;20;13;05 - 00;20;32;04
Unknown
Yeah, yeah. As I fighting in that city to just survive is like a lot, bro. Yeah, yeah. But even now, like leaving like living outside India for a year and then coming back or here hearing some of these stores, I'm like, yo, what the hell is going? Well? We were how about this? We were at, we were at a comedy club in Spain, in Madrid.

00;20;32;06 - 00;20;47;02
Unknown
And I don't think they would mind us, but there are two Spanish comedians there, and we the shit we did the shows, you, me did the shows. And then at the end it was like, hey, like had a great time, like, you know, saying like, hey, let's keep in touch and something. And I said like, hey, and if you guys are ever in New York, hit me up.

00;20;47;05 - 00;21;07;06
Unknown
And they laughed in my face. Hahaha, I laugh. It's like the concept of going to New York is like, you know, they just weren't even going to do it, like, know. And I was like, yeah, I get like, I get it. Yeah, that makes that makes a lot of sense, right? Because I mean, I think, I think it's well known at this point that is not especially when it, when it comes to art.

00;21;07;08 - 00;21;25;05
Unknown
Yeah. That is not it's not advantageous really. I mean, kind of I would say because maybe this is still a chip on maybe on your shoulder to of like how New York kind of grind it, it grinds you unless you fight back. Yeah. You don't fight back. The grinding still happen. Are you still gonna get grind it a little bit but just happens slower?

00;21;25;10 - 00;21;49;23
Unknown
Yeah. If you actually try to ambitiously rise to the top. If you don't, that it just grinds you faster. Yeah, I think it's a play. Something that me and my wife talk about a bunch is like internal versus external locus of control. Like, which is like a, like you can see it pretty quickly in people that you encounter of where do you think the energy of your life like where is the, where is the momentum coming from?

00;21;49;23 - 00;22;08;19
Unknown
Is it from outside or is it from inside? And I think if you go into New York and you're like, it'll happen and things will work out for me. I just got to wait. I just got to be patient. Like, I'm a good person. I deserve good things or something like that. Or like, you know, I'll wait my turn.

00;22;08;22 - 00;22;45;12
Unknown
Those are kind of all external locus of control things, and that, like, might work in other places. But if you're putting yourself, like, kind of giving it to the universe of, like, oh, next year will be my year, that that doesn't fly in New York. That's like literally mental illness like you if you but it maybe it is if you, you know, you get into like a job that's but like most of the people that I know are like internal locus of control, like I need to generate my own momentum in the face of kind of hostile opposition, usually just like apathetic opposition, like just shit in front of you, of people just

00;22;45;12 - 00;23;02;28
Unknown
like, I don't care about anything. Why would I care about you? And so New York is just like it just you just need to, you know, cut through that and overcome defense mechanisms that would, like, stop you. And, like, I think that that's what it teaches you is just like, you can get through. You can get through some of those barriers.

00;23;02;28 - 00;23;26;14
Unknown
You can come up against a barrier and be like, this is insurmountable, and there's no way. And so let me change directions and find something else like, and it's just a city full of everybody, just like in their own maze of like, just hit a wall. It's like, damn it, that was very painful. And then like, let me just pivot off and yeah, just it's just like a, you know, an energy reactor that's just like everything bouncing off of each other.

00;23;26;14 - 00;23;42;00
Unknown
Yeah. While there's some grinding that no point of, we've been talking about quality of life or like, you know, all the of life. But I mean, to think about it with the traveling that we did to all these different cities and countries, like, I mean, it's hard to even reference quality of life in New York City because it's almost sad.

00;23;42;04 - 00;23;59;17
Unknown
Yeah, yeah. You know, like this stuff we experienced eight, like in Madrid, Barcelona, Paris, like the like, you know, that lamb dish we had. Yeah. And then that cost in like half your arm, you know. Yeah. To even have that, he gave us free fries and bread and extra stuff. There's like hey here's more. And yeah, hey, this and that.

00;23;59;17 - 00;24;22;14
Unknown
And you know, the joke in it is it's crazy. Yeah. It does make for some, yeah. That's the thing about, I think in any career in New York or in America too, I think we're a lot of the things we could talk about in New York are generalized to America as well. Like, you see, we see like the LeBron James and the Serena Williams as real.

00;24;22;16 - 00;24;42;25
Unknown
And then we just you just don't see the bodies on the road. Like you don't see the roadkill on the way to like, abusing the, you know, the greatness, in their field. And it's not to say that, like, America is the only place I like makes greatness like Lionel Messi. Is Argentina. Like, there's no good American soccer players.

00;24;42;28 - 00;25;21;21
Unknown
I think it's central to our identity as Americans that all of this suffering must produce greatness. Yes. Even if you are not great, like at least this, like, kind of Hunger Games situation that we're in, at least it produces Jay-Z. I think Jay-Z maybe, comes out of that, like, you know, maybe Jay-Z figures out music without going through like the hardships, like the institutional hardships that, like, are very much designed over like decades and centuries to, like, literally, specifically put him and his people through hardship.

00;25;21;21 - 00;25;42;02
Unknown
But like, I think it's central to Americans for us to be like, yeah, you know, you keep you keep grinding, it'll be worth it. And it might. It's not for a lot of people. It might not be something. Yeah, yeah, it's hard to say without like context and stuff. No, I mean that's a good point. You bring up, I think specifically in terms of that, suffering to get to the other side and being successful, the whole grind and.

00;25;42;03 - 00;25;58;23
Unknown
Yeah, you know, I sleep when I did a very American thing because even living out here in Europe, like, I still I still carry that to some degree. Yeah. But then the people here, they're kind of like, yo, why don't why? It's like, there's no good reason. It's almost like the reasons in which I will give will just perpetuate.

00;25;58;25 - 00;26;30;24
Unknown
It was just it would be a perpetuation of perpetuation of that thought process of grinding until I make something, but not really an actual cohesive. Yeah. You know, I mean, and I think there's something in the seeking of, you know, validation through entertainment. I think a lot of people would get that feeling of accomplishment through like strong social connections and therapy and working out and stuff, like to see somebody who was like, I want to make it.

00;26;30;24 - 00;26;51;04
Unknown
I want to like, be a comedian. I want to like, you know, quit my job and jump into this full thing. I would say like, okay, well, maybe there's a world where you're just happy if you just change like a bunch of things, like behaviorally for you, which are also very hard. Standup is very hard, but also changing like things about yourself is very hard.

00;26;51;06 - 00;27;07;28
Unknown
But that would be my advice is like, hey, if you're thinking about doing this, like maybe just do a bunch of other things in your life so that you can be happy in your circumstances, and then maybe you still get to that point and you're like, you know what? No, there's this striving, there's this seeking, there's this need for creation that still exists.

00;27;07;28 - 00;27;29;03
Unknown
And that would be like, okay, now go for it. But there's a like, I think a lot of the yeah, like creativity and art, like it is not for everyone. And that was what we were talking about. The, the creative act book, the Rick Rubin book, and one of the sentences I loved in there was just like, and it's possible that this act is not for you.

00;27;29;06 - 00;27;47;25
Unknown
Yeah. Like he's he was like, it's then that was why I respected that book and respected the things in the book. Because he's literally telling the people who are reading it like a bunch of the people who are reading it, like everything that I'm saying does not apply to you. You are not an artist. Or you don't have, like, the capability to become an artist.

00;27;47;25 - 00;28;17;14
Unknown
I think, like you read that book and you can make things, better in your life or more creative or find like, little avenues of, like, you know, making a fun PowerPoint deck, you know? Oh, wait. Yeah. Wow. Maybe that's it. That's it for some people. Yeah. It's a tough thing, though. I think it's, also with art to kind of, maybe piggyback or kind of butt heads with that a bit is that I think in order for you to find it, this is good or not, you kind of have to hit a wall or reach a point where it's difficult.

00;28;17;19 - 00;28;39;03
Unknown
Yeah, basically a point where you're not happy. But then there's something else that's still driving, like, are you doing comedy? A decent amount of stuff we're not happy about, but we just still did it, right? Yeah. But I think it's like kind of going through those rigors or whatever of like, you know, dealing with this, adversity or these issues or whatever, but it's still one thing to do and not really have an explanation.

00;28;39;08 - 00;28;57;21
Unknown
Yeah. You know, I think also is important. So like, it's almost like, I know when people say like, you know, don't like the hustle culture, it's not whatever, but there's some merit to it in that. All right. There's some things that like say so like, content creation. Right? Yeah. Content creation is not fun. Like. No, all the time.

00;28;57;21 - 00;29;17;09
Unknown
That is like, we really take it seriously and try to be consistent. It is not fun all the time. Yeah, but it is still something driving you to be like, all right. Like, I mean, yeah, it's not all like I think when I talk about like, creativity and stuff, it can sound like, torture. And there's a little there is some torture and there's a lot of great.

00;29;17;09 - 00;29;35;00
Unknown
And I wonder if the relationship between that is like, hey, here's the amount of good shit you'll get. Here's the amount of torture you're gonna get. And like, I wonder if that is similar to like, a regular life of like, maybe it's just, like less fulfilling, but the torture is lower. So maybe it's like not that bad.

00;29;35;01 - 00;30;05;05
Unknown
Yeah. But yeah. And I think with like content creation again another thing that in within the content creation is also you're creating a persona. And the persona is somebody who's like having a good time. Like you're a comedian needs to look like they're having a good time. That's also part of the act as well. And the act of content creation, too, is like, you know, it's like you look like somebody who's like, happy go lucky or not, like, you know, breaking your balls, like trying to, like, make shit.

00;30;05;05 - 00;30;26;03
Unknown
But that's another product is like, hey, look at me. Just like having fun, goofing around. Like, never mind that. This took like, three hours to make like. But once the camera starts, it's like having fun, good time and stuff. So that's another like that's another creation is like the creation that it's like, just, you know, fucking around.

00;30;26;05 - 00;30;47;02
Unknown
Yeah. Like, look at, you know, bumbler and accidental, you know, and it's like, no, this is for all I think at one point it was, but now it's not. I mean, you know, obviously with the economics of social media now, like, yeah, you know, I first saw on TikTok like, well, don't a pandemic. Guess you could talk about like, oh, I farted on my parents face and now I don't know what to do.

00;30;47;02 - 00;31;03;24
Unknown
And now my parents screaming at me millions of views is like, oh my gosh, like, what's going on? I need to follow what's going on with your parent. What's your parents name? Do you live like now you got to have like a 3D, like, you know. Yeah, a plan, a content plan, right? A plan before you can just I mean, you can still do it kind of, but it's not as, as far in between.

00;31;03;24 - 00;31;28;23
Unknown
It's so in terms of how much reach you will get to just rant on. Yeah. Camera. And it's like more yeah, it's more difficult now everyone everyone they mom now is doing like yeah, it's kind of wild. Like I remember like the making funny shit. The barrier to make funny shit was so high when we were younger. Oh, you would need somebody with a video camera or you'd need to get a video camera.

00;31;28;26 - 00;31;55;05
Unknown
I mean, I wasn't even thinking about comedy until I was like 23 or whatever. Like, you know, that was when I started doing, like, open mics and realized that I can make funny stuff and nobody can stop me. Like a stand up comedy show is like, you present are an open mic. There's no barrier to entry. Usually you can present funny things and immediately get a reaction that just seemed like insurmountable.

00;31;55;08 - 00;32;15;24
Unknown
Like. And then prior to stand up, it was like, I remember doing like real good on, like video projects for school. Like, a theology project. We, we made a video and we did, like, you know, try to make, like, a bunch of fun that make it educational. There's like a prompt and it was like, make a five minute video.

00;32;16;01 - 00;32;34;14
Unknown
And me and my two friends, we made it. And it was so good that they they showed it to other, oh, classes. Yeah. So they were like, these guys understood the prompts. They worked hard on it with. There's some funniness in it. Our our teacher was like an immigrant. So I don't think he got like a bunch of the references that we were making that might have been like inappropriate.

00;32;34;14 - 00;32;57;21
Unknown
Yeah. But that was it was so difficult to make things. And now it's never been easier to make. Everybody has a content creation machine on their phones. Yeah. It's nuts. It is probably too far in the other direction of everybody can make something all the time. We need some hierarchies. We need some gatekeepers. Yeah. Do it.

00;32;57;25 - 00;33;13;16
Unknown
Yeah, I don't know. I think we just need more teachers, you know, we teach that probably what it is. I mean, teach it, man. I mean, to teach what's on this shit, bro? This is like. Yeah, we I mean, I don't know about you. I mean, you got you. And we'll talk about it in terms like your, yes, your way of Korean content and like the things you create.

00;33;13;23 - 00;33;32;17
Unknown
But I think even still, it was like figuring out like, oh, how could you even teach unless you just just throw yourself in and just. Yeah, really figure out, like, all right. I guess when I start, you know, like, people lip singing songs like, and then realizing that's a big hit and we're like, yo, everyone lip saying, why you lip singing?

00;33;32;25 - 00;33;52;00
Unknown
And that's the thing that's like, yeah, you know, like, whoa, okay, we're going to follow this person. We want to hear more songs, do this, do the Beatles, and then like, yeah, well, I just request for doing lip singing where everyone lip sings well, why is. Yeah. And what is the I think like, because all social media is doing is measuring how long you're looking at something.

00;33;52;02 - 00;34;11;20
Unknown
That's it. It doesn't. And then but then the reason so that's all that social media does is it is it feeds you things that you look at and engage with. Like it figures out your brain and it knows you will watch this type of video for longer and you will comment on this type of video, and that's what we're going to serve you.

00;34;11;22 - 00;34;34;15
Unknown
But they don't know why you are watching it for a long time. They can guess, I think. But like what is I think, yeah, content creation and art. I don't know if they're necessarily like the same thing, but like the I think the, the why is pretty important of like why do you make shit. And for us it's like thankfully, thank God we figured it out.

00;34;34;15 - 00;34;54;14
Unknown
It's because we want to be funny. Haha. There's so much content creation that's like, I want to get I want to get followers. I want to get rich. And it's like, why? What is the goal? And the goal of being funny is is weird. But it's everybody gets like, oh, okay, that's comedian. They want to, do funny shit.

00;34;54;14 - 00;35;30;00
Unknown
I don't know what drives me to want to be funny, but like, that's it. Just like, thankfully we just have an identifiable goal of just, like, keep being funny. Yeah. And then the following, getting a following intersects really hard, like really heavily with, being funny. More like being funny in front of more people. So like, comedy is exploding because, you our drive is to be funny and then more people will watch it and then we can be funny in front of more people.

00;35;30;02 - 00;35;46;08
Unknown
Like, thank God that that is like, that is the situation that like, I've left us in for social media. I don't think music is like the same. I see like musicians struggling like, who are like, now I got to make like a viral oh, fucking music dance or something, you know? And the music is changing in a strange way.

00;35;46;11 - 00;36;09;13
Unknown
I saw some article that it was like, you know, the TikTok ification of music. Now you need like a strong the song. It's just start strong like immediately. There's no lead. There's no there can't be any dead time. Wow. At the beginning of the song. Yeah. And it's that's how it's spreading is like dance challenge is like the most of the music I've ever loved in my life has no dancing component to it.

00;36;09;15 - 00;36;30;12
Unknown
Really sad. Like, or dramatic or like, you know, like, really gritty, like songwriters and stuff. I don't know where. I don't know where those guys go. I don't know either. I mean, it's so much like, close the blinds or. Sorry. Sorry, guys getting dark. We in Copenhagen and Nordics in the Nordics. And, I don't know. Yeah.

00;36;30;20 - 00;36;52;05
Unknown
I think I have my vitamin D pills. Otherwise I'll be dying. But that's a good point in terms of, like how with music and how each, facet of art is dealing with this social media thing that we are all relying on and also consuming at the same time. Yeah. How is that? Yeah. I mean, bro, I'm not gonna lie to you sound sad, but some of my news comes from social media.

00;36;52;05 - 00;37;09;18
Unknown
A decent part of it. If, if I'm being real, like, I don't go to New York Times like I used to and read like I used to be a person, I used to get the New York Times and read the paper. Yeah. And stuff. But like, now even YouTube, YouTube. I was talking to a friend that YouTube, the way has changed my life in fundamental levels.

00;37;09;18 - 00;37;33;12
Unknown
Yeah, it's actually in crazy, like some of the things I've learned, like just from people on YouTube sharing information. Oh, yeah, like video editing, like the basics of video production. Like it's it's just on YouTube. I don't know if other fields are like this, but like, dude, if you ever want to know, like, everything about a camera, every camera is cattle, like, cataloged on YouTube.

00;37;33;13 - 00;37;56;18
Unknown
There's so much, so much positive information out there. But, yeah, I don't think it's a net positive on humanity. As somebody who's benefited from social media, I don't think it's like a might be neutral or worse. Like, I don't think it's like a oh, it's like a, universally like, good thing. It's like, no, I think it's probably like neutral or worse.

00;37;56;20 - 00;38;15;27
Unknown
Okay. So let's play with this because you do have a decent follow into the obviously me as somebody watching it now seeing how's of benefiting you, what would you say. What would be the pros and cons. Let's let's, let's, let's play the pros and cons. Social media and its effects. Yeah. Negatives. Well, let's do pros first.

00;38;15;27 - 00;38;41;25
Unknown
Right. There was a girl. There have been like, a couple interactions. So I have like a sketch series on Instagram. It's like Europeans comparing Europeans and Americans and how they like, work in different ways. And I've been doing it for maybe four years now, 3 or 4 years now. And the positives are there is like two.

00;38;41;25 - 00;39;04;09
Unknown
First of all, I can interact like having a fan base going out to meet these people. And I think you've met these people and the people who follow me to a person. I mean, there's like we met like let's say like 450 people, through the shows and stuff, every single one of them, with the exception of one who didn't like me a lot.

00;39;04;09 - 00;39;23;11
Unknown
And we don't have to go into that. I had a heckler who was very, very unhappy with what I did. We found out a lot about, about Dan and, people did not. One person did not like me very one person did, but very vocal about it. Yeah. Every other person I've interacted with is so cool.

00;39;23;14 - 00;39;57;07
Unknown
Nice, polite, worldly. Calm. Like just the the people. I didn't choose my fan base. I just kept making things that I like and that the algorithm liked. And it was a conversation back and forth between me and the algorithm was like, here's something they're like now and then like, so it's just that in the same way that like, I think, you know, a painter back in the day would like make a painting and then try and get it displayed in a museum or in a gallery.

00;39;57;07 - 00;40;16;28
Unknown
And then there's that negotiation back and forth of like, what is the gallery looking for? What is the style of the time, what is like, you know, so it's just gatekeepers. It's just a different form of gatekeepers. Now, the gatekeeper is an algorithm and it's a machine, you know, like so, so there's that meeting these people has been is awesome.

00;40;17;00 - 00;40;38;16
Unknown
It's such a blur seeing people genuinely excited to, genuinely excited by me. It's like crazy. The. But the big ones, there's two. One happened recently. I don't know if I told you about it, but one happened like on the first show that I did in Austin. This woman came up to me afterwards and was like, I.

00;40;38;19 - 00;40;54;19
Unknown
And I don't think my early shows were as good as my shows are now. So like, I'd just finished it and I was like, I don't know about that one. Like I want to do a good show. Like, I can stand by the product that I put on stage now early, like earlier in the tour, I was just like, you know, just get my feet, get my feet under me.

00;40;54;19 - 00;41;19;00
Unknown
And so I was just like, I don't know about that one wasn't great. Like my brother was there, like his friends. They're like, I don't know. And this woman came over me as I was breaking down the camera gear and she was like, I was going through a divorce. And this your stuff was so helpful to me. Like there were times when it was like, really, really, really good for me.

00;41;19;00 - 00;41;40;29
Unknown
Like, thank you so much for that. And most of the other people will say, like, thank you so much. Like, you know, and then they'll be a story like, thank you for making this. Like, it's so crazy to meet you. And then another one happened recently where it was like, this woman came up and was like, because I did one about, you know, Trump winning the election.

00;41;41;02 - 00;42;06;22
Unknown
I waited on how long I was going to make a thing for because all of the tapes were coming in and I was really hurt by it. My wife was really hurt by it. You know, it's so uncertain and so crazy. And I was looking for guidance from people and, you know, in therapy and stuff. It was like, there's just no, it's you're just entering four years of uncertainty, all right?

00;42;06;23 - 00;42;28;19
Unknown
Like it's just going to be it's another Trump for four years. Like his supporters want it like this. They want the chaos. They want things to, get, broken up and changed and stuff. And that's going to happen. And I waited a long time to do like a post election thing. And I finally did it, and I was, like, really proud of it.

00;42;28;19 - 00;42;43;20
Unknown
My wife is like, I think that's the best one you've ever made. Like, the best sketch I ever made. The the views on it weren't that good, but the shares on it like people were. You can go into the metrics and see how many people were sharing it, and that was like maybe it was up there with like one of my most shared videos.

00;42;43;20 - 00;43;04;08
Unknown
And this woman came up to me a couple days ago and she said, that line that you had at the end where, like you said, like, oh my God, this is going to be the dumbest apocalypse that she was like, that really helped me like, and that's probably the proudest I've ever been of anything that I've made of like we are facing.

00;43;04;08 - 00;43;28;25
Unknown
But like, I'm always, you know, I think global warming is going to wipe us out so much quicker than people think it's going to. I'm just very pessimistic about the future of humanity, the future of in a way that I think would surprise a lot of my fans. But for one person to be like saying that this is going to be the dumbest apocalypse really helped me, with Trump's win, and I don't know.

00;43;28;25 - 00;43;47;12
Unknown
Yeah. So being able to social media as a vehicle for providing that level of connection to people, I think is magical. So like, that's what else is creativity. But that exact experience where she was like that line and I was proud of the line. I knew it was a good line and she was like, it was a good line.

00;43;47;12 - 00;44;05;01
Unknown
And it really helped me. And I think it's it helps in a in a way that was like kind of a very confusing, uncertain because that's what being a human is, right? It's very confusing, very uncertain. But to make someone feel less alone in that moment, in a way that I was like, that was what I meant, was what I wanted to do.

00;44;05;01 - 00;44;24;26
Unknown
And yes, I received it, you know, like I received it. And I think it worked. And it was like helpful. Like that experience is not would not be possible without social media. And me, I don't know, you know, maybe I can get messaging in a, you know, write a book or, you know, like, create a play or those are things that but the barrier to entry to social media is much lower.

00;44;24;26 - 00;44;44;28
Unknown
And so now anybody can attempt to try and get that content into people's heads. And, you know, if your goal is being relatable or being funny and stuff like that. So that's very like profoundly moving. And, you know, one of the most incredible things that's ever happened to me, negatives of social media is the compare. It's the you have a numerical value.

00;44;45;01 - 00;45;04;13
Unknown
Like I go to places and like the, there was this one place I was in and it was, it was a club. And the guy was like, how like, congrats on the following, man. Like, whatever. Like you it like. And you, you know, I was talking to somebody who had like 70 K and I was talking to somebody at like 80 K, and he wasn't even saying the names of these people.

00;45;04;13 - 00;45;27;13
Unknown
It was just like, you just have a number. Now the goal is to get that number as high as possible. And nobody is asking, does the person who has a million followers are they happy or they're living a good life? Or are they being good to people? Right. That numerical value like we were? I showed you a picture of this comedian who is incredible having is he's got the hardest hand ever.

00;45;27;13 - 00;45;52;24
Unknown
And I'm like, dude, I showed it to you. I was like, he looks sick. Like he looks like really bad. In this picture was a really high quality picture. And that guy has like millions of followers. And so that's the biggest, without rambling too much. Like that's a big one. Like the only thing or the thing that is valued above a lot of other things is what is your follower account?

00;45;52;24 - 00;46;19;26
Unknown
And there's no metric for like, how well are you sleeping? Are you eating well? Are you being good to your family? Like those numbers aren't visible. It's just followers. Yeah. So that's where everybody's attention and stuff is going to go. And I think that's like a huge like issue obviously. Yeah, I think I think it grows into a bigger thing because I mean, for most celebrities, we don't care about their life.

00;46;19;29 - 00;46;42;16
Unknown
Really? Yeah. Unfortunately, I think I think as you get closer, you just kind of see things, but even that it becomes selfish because then you're relating your. If I was in their shoes. Yeah. We not really like, you know. Yeah. And I think it, and it's unfortunate too. I mean, I think that's the unfortunate thing with any type of like, any type of fame or whatever level you're seeing more as an entity of something.

00;46;42;22 - 00;47;01;05
Unknown
Yeah. Rather than a person. Yes. You know, you could you being extrapolated like you're now becoming like this thing, but now a human being like, you know, for example, if you don't answer a message on time, nobody sends you a message. You can respond back, you know? Yeah. I have a life like. Yes. Yeah. Or like, oh, why did you not shake my hand?

00;47;01;05 - 00;47;16;01
Unknown
Well, blah blah. It's like a cause, I was I was thinking of stuff. Yeah, yeah. Or maybe I forgot. Yeah, maybe I just washed my hands. Maybe I saw somebody go to the bathroom three times and didn't wash your hands, so I'm not trying to get sick, so I'm going to say, hey, how are you doing? Yeah.

00;47;16;07 - 00;47;37;27
Unknown
You know, and I think the, Yeah, because, like, the I have a level of notoriety I call like micro fame, bro. Use doing me Ingrid's and people's videos flying in for you. So. Yeah. Yeah. Don't ever do this. Would you like. Yeah, yeah. Well, why is flying? It better be at least, you know, six, six inches, 6 to 10in wide is hand moving.

00;47;37;27 - 00;48;01;12
Unknown
But I would say like, it's it is kind of crazy. And I would say this anybody who is like, you know, like, feels like they're stalker wanting to do anything creative, like, so the, our best case scenario, right, is we go on stage and we just crush like do really well. And we've had shows that, like, have gone really well on this trip.

00;48;01;14 - 00;48;37;08
Unknown
That good feeling lasts for, I think like two hours maybe tops. Maybe more like maybe like, maybe you wake up with some, like, buzz. And then I think it can, like, also stabilize you in terms of, like, you know, it will buffer you against more doubts. I think that's the big thing about, like, success is, when you get it, when you get success on stage, then you for the next three weeks or so, you can you can feel like, okay, like maybe that's it and go, but remember that other set, like, it really like levels you in terms of like, at least for me, I'm very hard on myself

00;48;37;08 - 00;48;58;08
Unknown
and very critical of myself. So doing well on stage, I'm like, hell yeah, like that will buffer. Hey, that person's not responding to like my, you know, request for stage time or something. I'm not getting as much say, like, all right. Like, at least I have that thing to to feel, but for the most part, like, doing really well on stage, like the, the dopamine hit lasts for like, two hours.

00;48;58;11 - 00;49;24;23
Unknown
And there are times when I, I think, like, just eating a good meal with my wife and eating ice cream and then watching a Netflix show, like, feels like, pretty close to, like, as good, like it feel. It also feels like really good. So yeah, I don't know, just the that being like, you'd be shocked at how how many other needs there still are in your life, even with success.

00;49;25;00 - 00;49;45;27
Unknown
Yeah. And that's important. So still food, still sleep still, you know, desire for like intimacy and human connection. Like those don't go away. Yeah. If anything, they get weird and, like, get weird with success. Like, you get people that are like, you know, like Orlando Bloom. Somebody asked Orlando Bloom like who? The actor and Lord of the rings and the Pirates of the Caribbean.

00;49;46;00 - 00;50;04;22
Unknown
It was like, hey, what do you what do you eat? And he went through his diet and it was just this, like, he just had one weird smoothie a day that had, like, keratin in it, like. And it was like fucking what? Like success can just change the way you eat and make it like, oh, I got to be like, yeah, it's just it can warp.

00;50;04;25 - 00;50;23;08
Unknown
It's nice, but it can warp everything else around it. And so yeah, they mean his own demands around it too. So it's such a is such a tough thing because like it, it can like build on itself in terms of his fame and what took you what it took for you to get there and, and the assumptions of what you need to continue that.

00;50;23;10 - 00;50;42;15
Unknown
In quotes, fame or whatever to that momentum of going towards it. Yeah. And even for myself, I would say like in terms of, let's say with food, like say even with podcasting, not like there's a way I eat different because of like my energy levels, like, yeah, which I, you know, again, I didn't even know until like, I started like, you know, halfway.

00;50;42;15 - 00;51;00;05
Unknown
I'm kind of like, you know, like how, like, I feel myself really get sleepy and we get into, like, a good part of conversation. I'm a, This is not. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I need to do something to not, like, yawn in this moment. I'm being recorded. So I'm, like, having an in-depth like, so. So when I was five, I'm like, I cannot yawn in a story.

00;51;00;05 - 00;51;21;18
Unknown
When you was five. Yeah. So now that's, that's a point for my eyes. Let me be fixated and like, all right, I receive. Yeah. So now eat not eating that many carbs that are being, you know, so even with that. But then that can go, off the rails to now where you don't eat. Yeah. Shake yourself so much.

00;51;21;18 - 00;51;38;13
Unknown
Yeah, yeah, yeah. They are like, or it's. Yeah, it's an prioritization of the out the creative output in a way that is detrimental. It starts to get like detrimental to the rest of your life. Which is a weird thing. Yeah. It's the weird thing about, creating shit and habit. So, I mean, I like the artist dilemma, right?

00;51;38;14 - 00;51;59;01
Unknown
Like, you know, the starving artist or, like, the troubled artist. Yeah. That type of trope which, unfortunately has a lot of examples of that. Yeah. But I think those are, I yeah, I feel so differently about it now. Not saying that is correct. I'm just saying, like, if it's a trope. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's such a trope to so many very highly successful people.

00;51;59;05 - 00;52;29;24
Unknown
Yeah. It almost becomes like this reference point. Unfortunately. Yeah, of how one should live their life. But it can be done differently. And it allows, it allows you to be treated poorly by other people because it's like, oh, while you're a starving artist, you should you know, you should do this work for free. You should be thankful for this because, you know, when I was doing it, first of all, they're not acknowledging, yeah, I think the, the, the there's something about the economics of stand up, especially in the city that just haven't changed.

00;52;29;25 - 00;52;49;20
Unknown
Spot pay. The pay for a spot is like still the same in a lot of places as it was in Jerry Seinfeld that like, there's no connection between the increase in spot pay in New York and the rate of inflation that I can see, there's no, like, governing body that's like, hey, with inflation now, we should probably like take it up and stuff.

00;52;49;23 - 00;53;13;01
Unknown
So yeah, I think that that's like, I don't know, I hope we're like moving to a new I am moving to a new point in my life where I'm like, I'm going to be, I'm going to cap my success. It's not, you know, let's say cap or redefine. Yeah, I think redefine like if the goal is.

00;53;13;01 - 00;53;41;00
Unknown
Yeah. So I now and it should your views should change over time. My my views on artists that I respected was different at the when I was growing up. You would you know or like when I first started doing comedy, I'd be like, that's the person that's getting the most things. So that's who I want to emulate. And now if I hear about like a comedian who like, I think like John Oliver, like, has a good family life is like really nice to people.

00;53;41;00 - 00;54;09;27
Unknown
Like I think is, you know, has like that 9 to 5 like working on the on that show which and I think the show is like does really, really important work like Jon Stewart now kind of like working once a week like, I mean, I think those are two people that like put in like a ton of work, but then their career output changed over time, and now I think they're like, you know, just doing meaningful, like keep doing the work.

00;54;09;27 - 00;54;29;19
Unknown
But now it's like meaningful. And they don't do anything unless it's meaningful. And they, you know, it seems like they've got like you know a good head on their shoulders. Longevity is another one who's doing it for a while. Not like who's doing exciting stuff for right now. It's like who's doing like meaningful stuff for a long time.

00;54;29;21 - 00;54;56;02
Unknown
And that you know, and that means, like, taking care of yourself in a way that like doing, like, really cool shit really fast, is not conducive to it. So, yeah, I think it's just like redefining success. And it's probably. Yeah, I mean, I'm thrilled with where I'm at right now. And if I just kept doing this, you know, evolve and change and, you know, can you just start to challenge yourself?

00;54;56;02 - 00;55;16;04
Unknown
Yeah. Yeah. Just I mean, again, just just even seeing and this is kind of crazy too, because now we start around the same time comedy. Right. So like literally performing on rusty basements and all this stuff and, you know, these weird addicts, you know, and stuff to now, you know, being in a place where even seeing you. Right, like the, the following the success and seeing people interact with you.

00;55;16;04 - 00;55;34;27
Unknown
Yeah. And just seeing that trajectory being like, oh shit, bro. And like, even me living in Europe and seeing like, oh, that's your jet, bro. You know, it's already like hot, but you can go so much. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. But then also at the same time making sure things are balance because so easy, I think, you know, especially when things when you are on a trajectory in a, in a more mental.

00;55;35;00 - 00;55;54;04
Unknown
Yeah. I've just because you know lash is coming at you right. Then you know, you got this, you got this opportunity, that point fucking torn. Now you're you could do Scandinavia, you can do Turkey, you could do North Africa, you could do. Yeah, Egypt. Egypt would be sick. Bro, you could do it. Yeah. You could. Do, you know, Dubai, all that shit.

00;55;54;04 - 00;56;16;17
Unknown
You can just like, you know, completely maneuver and go whatever button. I guess to bring it back, though, to, you know, where you are now from a social media perspective. You know, the the thing you're well known for is being the European boss. Yeah, right. And a European boss. I know we talked about it and and you talked about before, but what was the origins of the European boss like how did that come about for you.

00;56;16;17 - 00;56;47;24
Unknown
Yeah, it I will try and get this right because I've told it in a bunch of different ways. And every time I leave a podcast, I'm like, it wasn't like, totally true. So we get it and we get it into the bullet points. I had a tweet. I tried really hard with Twitter early on in comedy, and I had a tweet that referenced, it was like like the, you know, European, like European, bullet points, like, you know, has, you know, 350 days of vacation a year.

00;56;47;24 - 00;57;10;00
Unknown
And then American underneath that was like, has to go to work with multiple stab wounds. That was the best tweet that I ever did in terms of the reaction that it got. And also comments, especially from Americans of just like, yes, legitimately. I know people who have gone to work with open wounds or like I just had, you know, I gave birth, I still had the stitches in.

00;57;10;00 - 00;57;30;29
Unknown
I went to work anyway, and I like knew that that shit was crazy. And like, I didn't even have like a ton of experience with Europe at that time. I was just like an open mic comedian, I think. I think I was like getting on the subway and I just like I was like, oh yeah, that's crazy. I guess, like Europeans like have more vacation days and Americans go in with like, you know, open multiple stab wounds.

00;57;31;02 - 00;57;48;17
Unknown
Fast forward to the pandemic when everything comes to a stop. And I had had Covid early on in the pandemic, but then I was like, I just don't feel safe performing indoors. So it was like, it gets to the winter. And I was like, I'm just not going to perform unless it's outdoors. I just didn't know.

00;57;48;17 - 00;58;14;04
Unknown
And a ton about Covid, like I was being very cautious about it. And so I started making videos and I did like, you know, old jokes. Like, I thought of a new one. I thought of like it was a history joke. And it was like the the U.S. like world history can be defined by two events, like the assassination of Franz Ferdinand and the day Justin Timberlake brought sexy back nonsense in 15 seconds.

00;58;14;06 - 00;58;32;18
Unknown
500,000 views. Wow. Yeah, that was like an I was like, that was the first thing I got on tick. Because tick tock. Like, in the early days, it was like a slot machine. And that one hit. And then I had another one that was like comparing the the 1900s to the 2000. And it was like, you know, like like I did like an old timey voice.

00;58;32;18 - 00;58;52;25
Unknown
And it was like, I make a nickel a day and like, you know, I can I can afford, you know, a house for every member of my family, which is true. Like my grandpa gave people houses and his family just gave, like, one of his siblings a house or, like, you know, like, real estate at that time was just like in the 1900s, like it was the greatest market that's ever existed at all times.

00;58;52;25 - 00;59;07;29
Unknown
And then, you know, like, and then it was like 1900s and then the 2000s that the comparison was like, if I break my ankle, like I'm going to be like, bankrupt, I'm going to be homeless. And that one hit again and that one gets like a million. And I was like figuring out that. It was like. So then I saw that one.

00;59;07;29 - 00;59;24;11
Unknown
I was like, okay, that was a comparison like 1900 to 2000. That was going through tweets. And I was like, let me do the Europe versus America thing. And the first one was like, you know, like, hey, honey, what should we do with 178 vacation days this year? And then it goes to the American and the Americans, like, sorry I'm late.

00;59;24;11 - 00;59;42;28
Unknown
I just got hit by a car. I'll make it up. I'll work through lunch. Yeah, that was like under 15 seconds. And that was like 7 million views on TikTok. And then I put on Instagram and it was like 5 million views on Instagram. And then, like, followings are just like zero followers to 30,000 followers, like, or 10,000 followers in a day.

00;59;42;28 - 01;00;00;09
Unknown
And then on Instagram was the same, and I was like, okay, let me do another one. And now I think the next one, it was like about how like, oh, we'll like now we're get like, my wife is Australian. She took like a gap year. Like that's not something that Americans usually do. Let me do a one about that.

01;00;00;09 - 01;00;18;10
Unknown
Like. Yeah. You know like and there was an Australian parent, Arab News or European parent who was like, you need you, you need to take a gap year. It's been your mother fell in love. And then you go to the American. And the American was like, you're going to go to college, you're going to go, you're going to go into debt, and then you're going to, you know, take the first job that you can get.

01;00;18;10 - 01;00;41;29
Unknown
And the kid was like, why? And then it was like, why the American parents was whipping up, getting his belt off just to whip the kid. And that one hit the so and so. And then I did a third one that didn't do as well. But then I was like that European versus American thing that's got some juice.

01;00;42;01 - 01;01;02;11
Unknown
And I think I know enough about this culture because my wife is Australian and Australians like are really obsessed with work life balance. And, you know, I know a bunch of like European stereotypes and stuff. But I think what I was able to tap into is just this, like Europeans don't take it as seriously all this like work shit.

01;01;02;11 - 01;01;28;02
Unknown
And like I originally was just doing every cultural thing like, like, relationship with alcohol, relationship with, like, prison, like, all of the so there's just all of those topics between Europe and America. And I got to the end of that. And I was like, not to the end of it, but the ideas just were coming slower, and I just couldn't.

01;01;28;02 - 01;01;45;07
Unknown
I wasn't feeling like as excited by it. And I was like, let me go back to what made the series good in the beginning. The first one I did was related to work. So let me do European Boss versus American Boss, and we try to get to get it to under 15 seconds again and then that like had the most momentum.

01;01;45;09 - 01;02;08;17
Unknown
And so I was like that's I know about American working styles. I know it's psychotic. I'm currently working in like psychotic corporate America. I hate it, I fucking hate it. It's so worthy of satire. These people take themselves so seriously. I had this job interview where I, like, went in and I at like it was a sales job, and the guy was like, they were just fucking alpha dogging me, like it was so strange.

01;02;08;17 - 01;02;24;04
Unknown
Everybody that works there was a psychopath. I go in and they're they're like, what? Like they're just asking me all these questions and stuff. It just like, really like it was really adversarial. And this one guy goes like, what's the reason you get up in the morning? And I was like, to make the world a better place.

01;02;24;04 - 01;02;49;03
Unknown
And he was like, now ask me. And I was like, why do you get up in the morning? He's like, money, so I can provide for my families. Yo, these people are not human. Whatever element of humanity that existed is now gone, they sacrifice it for eight hours a day and they think like. And then when I go home, I'll be a regular person, like you are fundamentally hollowing out your soul every day.

01;02;49;03 - 01;03;14;07
Unknown
Every day is a new negotiation with the devil, where you give in more of yourself to the furthering of an exploitative, colonial, destructive force that's going to just kill all of us before 2050. So drones, you're drones. You're ants with hormones in service of, you know, a queen ant that doesn't give a fuck if you live or not.

01;03;14;09 - 01;03;31;17
Unknown
That's genuinely how I feel about, like a lot of American corporate interaction, I and I know that the same is true in in Europe, but the Europeans can look at it and be like, that's not all there is. That's it. That's the difference is Americans are in that system and they're like, this is it. This is it. This is this is my way, this is it.

01;03;31;20 - 01;03;52;04
Unknown
And Europeans look at Americans. Americans can't look at Europeans that don't have the a lot of Americans don't have the peripheral vision or life experience, too. And, you know, the privilege, the privilege of having peripheral vision and be like, oh, in Europe or in these other places, like something different is happening. But Europeans do have the privilege to look to the side and be like, that's fucking psychotic.

01;03;52;06 - 01;04;12;27
Unknown
Yeah. What we do is nuts. It's not the, you know, it's not like the the fairy tale that I make it seem in the, in the videos. But it is better in terms of work life balance. It's worse in terms of GDP. You make sacrifices like, so that and the, the passion that I, you can see me get revved up talking about like the psychotic ness of American corporate culture.

01;04;12;27 - 01;04;34;22
Unknown
I felt it for every second that I was interacting with these people. Yeah, I felt it, in every meeting, like, just like, what the fuck are we? This is all cosplaying as adults. Yeah, I understand the reasons that it exists, but it really grinds my gears and, makes me so fucking angry that we're, that that's where we spend most of our time.

01;04;34;24 - 01;04;50;19
Unknown
And so that was where the series, like, went next because I had so many strong feelings about how, about those things. And then, I think that's it. I think that's the best description of it. Yeah. I mean, just even you just feeling that passion to. But I worked in I worked in corporate America for a while.

01;04;50;19 - 01;05;09;19
Unknown
And just like understanding that, you know, especially as artists too, right. Because I think the artist part really heightens that dissatisfaction. Yeah. Discontent for that type of, like, style of like, life. Yeah. Or a question of like, why is it this way? Or like a sensitivity to to like, you know, bullshit. Yeah. It's all bullshit. Yeah. All this stuff.

01;05;09;20 - 01;05;36;27
Unknown
Yeah. I mean, just structure is just for something to be, upheld for whatever is, like the corporations or whatever that are basically creating this. Right? Like the just management of people that have, conflicting interests. But the only combined one is money. Yeah. That even that it being fractured like the concept of money but it obviously being fractured in terms of the amount you offer.

01;05;36;27 - 01;05;51;29
Unknown
Yeah. And how your value based on the money or and or position or the perceived money you get. Right. Yeah. Like, you know, you could be a vice president, but you know, I mean know. Yeah. This is vice presidents that make less than like a, a mid-level developer or something like that. Yeah. In tech or some like.

01;05;52;00 - 01;06;08;20
Unknown
Yeah. And I think the difference is Europeans look at that and they're like, that's you know, there's just kind of like it was like, yeah, that's it. That's the difference. Like, and Europeans like have I think more firms and it's systems too. Right. But like Europeans their systems for work life balance are better. It's because that they value it.

01;06;08;20 - 01;06;26;13
Unknown
But they also had governments that were like more representative of their will. And, you know, they were able to apply pressure. And it's not a two party system. It's a multi-party system. So you can like, you know, the left comes in and the right comes it like there's just more, opportunity for change. I think everything is like stagnant now and like late stage capitalism or whatever.

01;06;26;13 - 01;06;44;05
Unknown
You're not going to see like, revolutions. I don't know, you probably will, but so yeah, that was like that was a I'm still in that spot. I still every day I think of like or I have a new interaction where I'm like, you know what? Like that's something that's like very different. Between Europeans and, and Americans.

01;06;44;07 - 01;07;10;02
Unknown
So yeah, future wise, like, I don't know, I think there's more juice in this series. I'd like to get more like standup clips online, which I think is. Yeah, yeah, kind of the next project we've been filming all these, all these shows and stuff. So, but yeah, it's been it's been very beneficial for me. Like, social media is like for sure a net positive on my life.

01;07;10;04 - 01;07;24;22
Unknown
I Kenan. Yeah, yeah. I can't say that for everybody else, you know. Yeah. And I mean you got in at the I mean aside from the passion and stuff and like, you know, creating these things. So you know, you write some you write these things out like you and you plan for it. And like the structure was right.

01;07;24;23 - 01;07;41;20
Unknown
You honed in and really, you know, made this great. And also too, I think the timing also like, you know, because of, yeah, during a pandemic time, also as a comedian who also took it seriously and didn't go out and stuff like I was, I was starting to create things, but it was still finding ways, and I didn't really.

01;07;41;26 - 01;07;58;03
Unknown
I pulled a lever hard or just maybe the wrong, kind of like, yeah, there's some that started doing, relatively well, like the better of me doing like, the best way to do something like, I'm like the best way to the best way to walk in a bad neighborhood is and never look up or on your phone to want.

01;07;58;03 - 01;08;15;05
Unknown
Yeah, isn't there and blah, blah, blah. You do this with like, kind of advice type of shit. And then it kind of then start going to, when I moved to Europe, that's when it was like it was, it was American being in Europe being like, yeah, I'll keep the windows open. Like, what about the screen is like, oh, a B and like some shit will like literally happened where I had the window open.

01;08;15;05 - 01;08;31;13
Unknown
Yeah. Because like on the lease it's like mandatory. You have to if you don't like you, you will be fine. But you need to have the window. Right. So a B flew in and bro, it was like I felt like was a hostage situation. I'm like, yo, what? It was a wasp, actually. Yeah, but what? So then even, like, being like, oh, damn, I'll just talk about it.

01;08;31;13 - 01;08;48;04
Unknown
So like, everything I was saying was like the same. But anyways, so you are a person that came from zero followers all the way to where you are now. You're a comedian as well. So like, you know, standup comedian, it's difficult sometimes to get that to jump from zero to where you are now. Yeah.

01;08;48;10 - 01;09;12;08
Unknown
And in terms of you being a comedian and what you do, content creator and whatever you want to add to it. Yeah. What are the top three tips you would give to someone who would want to start their social media journey? Yeah, really? I yeah, I've wanted to like, I think there's parts of me when I'm doing comedy, I'm just like, oh, like, it would just be easier to like, teach this and make money that way.

01;09;12;08 - 01;09;35;04
Unknown
Like, and I do have a desire to, like, implement, like give this knowledge to people. So I, I've been thinking about it a little bit. The first one, I think it would just be like, first of all, it's like, this is only advice for comedians. I do not know how to go viral on anything else. I think the first piece of advice would like be hot, like.

01;09;35;06 - 01;09;58;11
Unknown
And that I think is like important because it's like it's stupid, it's not actionable. But now you know the rules. Yeah, if you're hot and you have algorithm face like, that's very useful. Algorithm face. Yeah. If you're not hot, like, yeah. If you're hot, like, then skip ahead. You don't have to worry about anything cause it's never one and only.

01;09;58;13 - 01;10;33;03
Unknown
You got to be hot. So other than that, I think you'd be like, if you're a comedian, not copy like, because, like, I think it's like, great art. Good art is influenced and great art or and great artists steal or something like that. So I know you're talking about. Yeah. There's some quote that's like it's and it's not the, the, the plagiarism as a definition is different in art.

01;10;33;06 - 01;10;54;14
Unknown
It's, it would be different in like so think like let go of like, oh that person's doing that. So I can't do that. Like and I think TikTok and Instagram have broken that of like, hey, if there's a, if there's somebody who you admire, don't copy them directly, but take the parts of it that you admire and try to do that as well.

01;10;54;16 - 01;11;25;07
Unknown
I would say. Yeah. So first of all, I would probably get like five people that really tickle you. Just list those people out. You know, this person, this person, this person, not followers. Just a thing that captures you and like you like and maybe followers and maybe see, you know, but it should be like stuff that you like because the format that I had of like comparison, it was like some guy like who did one that was like, getting a job in the 1970s versus getting a job now.

01;11;25;10 - 01;11;51;22
Unknown
And that was like, I was like, oh, that's replicable. And, you know, I didn't make the comparison video. And I also don't know why more people aren't copying me directly. Do it like, it's I didn't I didn't, trademark it. You know, like other people, I've seen other people who are like, flirting around with it and stuff, but, like, so that's five influencers get five influencers of people that you like, five comedians that are making shit that you respect.

01;11;51;24 - 01;12;18;20
Unknown
And then I would say try and make micro content under 15 seconds, do a bunch of different things, do a bunch of different, you know, maybe a comparison vid. I'm not a fan of stitches. I don't I don't like those. I, I would draw, I would, I don't think those are, like, sustainable, where like you, it's like you play the video and then you stitch your reaction on to the end of it.

01;12;18;20 - 01;13;00;11
Unknown
That's whatever. Go for it if you want to, but try and make like micro content that is funny, set up punch or comparison's like way under 30s. The quickest thing you can do. And then I would say what makes you unique and write down the things that are like unique to your person and then just try and make 20 videos with those things, right in the style of like one of the five people that you like, on try to get it under 15 seconds, under 20s and then do that 20 times.

01;13;00;14 - 01;13;17;25
Unknown
And do it religiously. Like, really like say no to a bunch of shit in your life so that you can make the videos get and then get good lighting and then that's it. I think that would just be it's an unfortunately that's like pretty open ended and pretty challenging. But like, I don't know how to go viral in any other way other than the thing that I do.

01;13;17;27 - 01;13;37;01
Unknown
Yeah. And you won't either. You know, when you do it, you won't know exactly why it's going viral. Yeah. I can't tell you what to do because I don't know you. But I think that would set you up, like, pretty. I would get you most of the way there. And then it's like, write constantly, edit ruthlessly.

01;13;37;03 - 01;13;56;03
Unknown
So do a bunch of them and then just follow which ones do the most success. Hey, you know, clip 15 out of 20 did the best. Okay, let's try and win that. Open that up into a series like what are some other angles on it? What are the things that like worked on it. And then the next video is like okay, that like got a little bit further.

01;13;56;03 - 01;14;13;00
Unknown
Like it's just constantly and don't and like kill your darlings. Like I love this one. This is the best one I've ever done. And it bombs and it's like you need to let it die. You need to just do the things that work, like, on, like, Ben is a friend of mine, and he did a he went super viral.

01;14;13;07 - 01;14;32;17
Unknown
It was like a guy who, who was organizing the floats on the Olympic parade. And he was like, he was like, okay, we can put these two countries together. You know, like they're war with, like Iraq and, or like Iran and Israel or like. Yeah. And so it was a guy who was like actually trying to like do that.

01;14;32;17 - 01;14;46;03
Unknown
And it went super viral. And then I was like, oh, Ben, that's fucking awesome. That's really, really specific. I don't think that's going to apply. He did a second one and that did well. And I was like, but the you know, like you just need to fight. Like you just need to hope that the thing that goes viral is replicable.

01;14;46;05 - 01;15;04;13
Unknown
And that's magic. That's like not magic, but that's like kind of beyond your scope. Make the thing that goes viral and then hope that it's replicable. And then just keep repeating and iterating and making things better. Caption it, make sure the captions are legible. Make sure the captions are in the safe zone. Yeah, the link thing. Yeah, yeah.

01;15;04;14 - 01;15;28;05
Unknown
Make sure your head isn't cut off. Make sure there's no typos like and I think that's it, that you might go viral if you do those things. I don't know if, that's a good, that's a good I mean, more information in terms of what you what what works for you the better because I mean, then it just adds into this pool of, like, some of the things people can do in order to get to that place.

01;15;28;05 - 01;15;42;23
Unknown
Because, you know, sometimes there's a lot of prescriptive, like, you do this, this, this, this, this. Yeah. And from you, you speaking from the point of view of what works for you. I even now listening to you, I create content and stuff of like 15 seconds, you know. Yeah. My thoughts and maybe, maybe like, you know on on 60s or less or something.

01;15;42;26 - 01;16;00;06
Unknown
Yeah. And then now here in this I'm like, all right, well let's see, let's play around. So like it's I think the whole maybe to add to what you're saying, which is good information, is that to just try and see what works and then just hope that this is, replicable and, and just kind of double down. Yeah.

01;16;00;06 - 01;16;19;27
Unknown
You should copy the format and create your own content, like copy the format of things that are working currently. And then add your content into it. And shorter, shorter, shorter, shorter, shorter. But the saying under 15 seconds is like the ruthlessness of like it's no one's going to watch over a minute. Yeah. You know. Yeah. That part.

01;16;19;27 - 01;16;44;03
Unknown
Yeah. But maybe, you know, like in general like but there are exceptions. But like saying keep it under 15 seconds. It's like because the average person or a person who's starting the content journey will be like, yeah, but I can. It's like, nope. Like the has to be as short as humanly and I'll write it out like on a, on a marble notepad, like they're the ones the it's just a notebook style.

01;16;44;03 - 01;17;00;18
Unknown
And if I don't get it under three lines and I'll like cut, you know, like different things like just to get it to as brief as humanly possible. And so keeping shit to like 15 seconds, like I think is like it's like, oh, that's unfair. It's like there's a way, yeah, there's a way to get shit under 15.

01;17;00;18 - 01;17;19;24
Unknown
Oh gosh. Yeah. And even still universities days to 15 seconds. No. Now I'm up to like 30, but like, I think yeah, just shoot for 15 and, you know, you'll aim your, you'll end up around 30. Yeah, definitely. A 32nd mark is like, yeah. Even for me playing around but even 15 seconds. Yeah. But also then the rules change as you go on.

01;17;19;24 - 01;17;33;23
Unknown
Like now that I've got a following, like they expect certain things. So like my hook is immediate I it's, it's a picture me with a scarf with a European thing. And so people like the people who know me are like oh okay. It's another Dan video. And the people that don't know me can figure it out pretty quickly.

01;17;33;26 - 01;17;49;24
Unknown
Yeah. So it's like, okay, this is a guy who's pretending to be European. Yeah. And they got so many videos at this point and yeah, you know. Yeah. So the rules change as you go on as well. You probably get more wiggle room. Yeah. And you can repost old content. That's the best. That's the best is just like I have four years worth of content.

01;17;49;24 - 01;18;06;28
Unknown
So like if I have like a slow week or something, I could just be like, hey, what if I just post that repost that old video and I should probably get even more reach some time now they've I think Instagram is like, change it so that they won't let a repost blow up as much as the original, though it didn't used to be the case, but and then again, this is all everybody's just talking about their own experience.

01;18;06;28 - 01;18;26;04
Unknown
That's my experience out of Instagram, right? Change the change the rules. Yeah. Fundamentally. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. All right. So one more question I have for you. I'd like to ask this with everyone is that, you've been through a lot. Yeah. Obviously, you know, growing up and stuff. Jersey from now, you being an international superstar. Yeah. So international comedian, international comedian.

01;18;26;04 - 01;18;48;24
Unknown
Sorry. Superstar has so many different competitions, right? Yeah. International comedian performing. Also seeing you how far you came, you know. Yeah. And when we first started comedy New York City, now both in Europe. Smelly basements. Yeah. Smelly basements or hot, humid attics. Yeah. Above, venues that were having a lot more fun than us. Yeah. Where you could hear laughter.

01;18;48;27 - 01;19;06;00
Unknown
You can hear people having a better time. So many open mics in New York are near places that are having way more fun. You can hear through the door. So, we just walk out, you know, rusty, adequate enough space for you to really, like, stand up and, like, really sit down together, or it's with people who you like.

01;19;06;08 - 01;19;22;11
Unknown
And then the worst thing that could happen is that comedy would start. You would have. So much more fun with those people. You just hung out with them. Yeah. But then the act of doing open mic comedy begins and everybody's like, oh fuck. Oh, I said, do this, all right. Yeah, it's almost like work. Yeah. Kind of like we're a up.

01;19;22;11 - 01;19;39;19
Unknown
All right. We're on the clock. Got a. Yeah. All right. We got I hear this bad premise, but, yes. In terms of you, come and have the how far you came, you know, where you start in New York City to where you are now. What's the, what's what's some advice you would give to your younger self?

01;19;39;21 - 01;20;11;24
Unknown
I don't know, like, you're right. You you. But that's like, isn't that crazy thing is, like, not like, stick with it or like, like a lot of the things that you are thinking are or that you feel are like wrong, like you're you're right, like you're young, so like keep, you know, blowing the doors off in terms of, like, working as hard as you can, yeah.

01;20;11;24 - 01;20;33;17
Unknown
You're right. I think would be like, I don't know how many people have ever told, like, not that like, oh, you know, I proved everybody wrong or something, but like it, you're there is so much uncertainty for my family around it and from like coworkers and stuff and like, you know, that blind faith in yourself like to just be like, no, you're right.

01;20;33;19 - 01;20;51;09
Unknown
You should have faith. You're right. You're putting a lot of effort into this. It's not wasted. You're right. I was just a ghost. Because then, even then, I don't think if I could tell my youngers. Yeah, it would just be like, I'm not going to tell you where it's going, because then you're like, align yourself to it and it'll it'll change things, but it'll be like, no, you're right.

01;20;51;12 - 01;21;06;18
Unknown
Yeah, yeah. I just figure it out. But whatever it is you're figuring out and that you're. Yeah, you're right. The direction is. Yeah, you're you're right. I've had that with like like I think I chose like the right wife and like us like coming together like even that. There was like, doubts around that and like sacrifices around that.

01;21;06;18 - 01;21;27;22
Unknown
Just like. Yeah, it's like you're right about your wife and comedy. You're right that there's doubts they'll always be there. But you're right. Like, yeah, that would be it. The yeah. I don't know if everybody can say that or like, you know what I mean? Like, a lot of comedians like work and there's not a ton of output or, you know, like everybody's path is like, different.

01;21;27;22 - 01;21;44;14
Unknown
But mine, I think, was so, so much self-doubt and so much, like, beating myself up. So for one person to be and people did say that along the way, people like, you know, like you're good, keep going. Or like, you know, friends who like you respect and they give you their opinion stuff. So they're always like signposts.

01;21;44;14 - 01;22;06;27
Unknown
But I think somebody just saying, like, you're right, would have just like, okay, like, yeah, I don't have to worry that much. Like, you know, and it's tough to I mean, that's such a good advice again, because, even in those places, because again, we're in similar places as well. So like even like bro, we can even imagine this right now being in Copenhagen, you got to do a show open like that.

01;22;07;00 - 01;22;25;13
Unknown
You said that out loud. You would have been. Yeah. You were the last friend. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, like to your point of that, advice, that is very good advice. Now that you broke it down, because it does at least, alleviate some of the anxiety and self-doubt that you would have gone on this path because it's been weird so far.

01;22;25;14 - 01;22;42;14
Unknown
It still is weird. Yeah. And I think it would apply to anybody with, like, a creative who's pursuing something creatively. It would be like, no, you're right. Yeah. It's something that's it's it's worthwhile. Ten years in at least, I don't know, 20 years. And you know, things down the road if I will be. Yeah, exactly. And arctica fighting the last of the I don't know.

01;22;42;14 - 01;23;01;17
Unknown
Yeah. People think apocalypse it's 2050. So whatever it is. Yeah. Yeah. So cool people, writers. Oh cool people. You know, listen to Prince Vegeta motivation on our last, bar of battery on our cell phone. Yeah, I need his motivation one more time. The fight him off. Girl. Super. Say. And Antarctica. That's where it'll be at ten years.

01;23;01;19 - 01;23;17;13
Unknown
You. Yeah. Just like, like, try to stay warm. Just got a polar bear and just on on. Somebody writing a dolphin in the Arctic air is weird. He's like, all right, I don't know the the polar caps are melting in. Yeah, I think things aren't going to get less weird, I'll tell you that much. Oh, definitely not, man.

01;23;17;15 - 01;23;35;19
Unknown
You know, so shout out to the Joker people. Yeah. This is this specific very inside information is not a actual people, but, a bro, thank you very much for doing this. Yeah. Thank you, thank you man. Let's go back to hanging out. Yeah. For more time. I mean, they'll be like, oh, no. Then whatever, guys, we did not.

01;23;35;19 - 01;23;55;29
Unknown
We stayed together, because we have, at least ten more hours together. Yeah. Yeah, 12 more hours together. Probably. So. Yeah. Yeah, I'm about to do a show right after it. Let's go. Hey, Copenhagen. Tickets are not on sale because it's coming out of the futures. And it's sold out. Yeah. Oh, there you go. So, guys, thank you very much for listening and are watching a Third Culture Talk podcast.

01;23;55;29 - 01;24;09;27
Unknown
I'm your boy Nya Yeanafehn, this is Dan Pulzello, the international, comedian. So there we go. Nice and modest. Yeah. There you go. Nice and modest. The international comedian. Yes, yes. All right. And thank you for watching. And I'll see you guys in the next one. Peace.