Third Culture Talk Podcast
Conversations with people from living in cultures different than their original culture(s)
Third Culture Talk Podcast
Bulgarian and Congolese, Growing up in Bulgaria, and Being Black in Europe vs USA w/ Deo Katunga | Ep 82
Today I sit with Deo Katunga. He's a stand up comedian and skateboarder based in Berlin. We talk about him growing up in Bulgaria being one of the few black kids. He shares about the dynamics having a Congolese father and Bulgarian Mother. Also the difficulties of school in Bulgaria.
We also talk about what it is to be black and the difference of that in Europe vs USA. And comedy
Timestamps
(7:42) Art, Social Media & Viewership
(24:25) Thoughts And Meditation
(32:20) Bulgaria
(49:19) Intro To Bulgarian Life
(51:00) School In Bulgaria As A Black Kid
(58:49) N Word In Bulgaria
(1:01:07) Black, African American, Or Bulgarian?
(1:04:13) Experience Speaking With An Accent
(1:12:10) Switching 5 Different Schools
(1:34:26) Bulgaria Is Beautiful
(1:42:10) Learning To Be Proud To Be Bulgarian And Black
(1:46:01) N Word In Europe Vs USA
(1:54:53) African Culture And Black Culture In America
(2:02:08) Advice To Younger Self
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Music: "Chill Day" by Lakey Inspired
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Speaker 1
Geography teacher like goes in the class. He's like, okay, we're not going to study anything about Africa this year. And kids are like, yeah, because, you know, one subject falls down. He's like, we're not going to into that. And I was like, I sort of I was like, why? And he's like, yeah, because anybody that goes to Africa eventually dies.
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Speaker 1
I mean, went past the oh shit, I'm black. This is trash. Then I started loving being black. I was like, okay, it's dope being black, but it's not. Though being Bulgaria then I had I had to like learn liking, being Bulgarian.
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Speaker 2
How was that phase of you being proud to be black in Bulgaria? Welcome to the Third Culture Talk podcast. I'm your host Nya yeanafehn. On this podcast, we talk of people that are raised in a culture different than their parents, home culture or way of life or nationality, and now they're living in today's culture, vastly different than it is of our parents or even back in the day.
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Speaker 2
So let's begin today's episode. I don't know how you been, man. How you been, bro?
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Speaker 3
Absolutely phantasmagorical. Oh.
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Speaker 1
Okay. Can't be bad, bro. Honestly cannot be bad.
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Speaker 2
Nice nice nice. But I mean, he know all about the positivity, especially in this winter time in Berlin.
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Speaker 3
I mean, it's nice. It's fucking snowing, dude. Yeah.
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Speaker 2
You know that's a good attitude to have. Yeah.
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Speaker 3
It is cute. I was outside yesterday like doing like two shows like walking around on the. Yeah.
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Speaker 2
But did you, did you wear the hat ones.
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Speaker 3
No.
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Speaker 1
No I had like, a white fluffy one oh.
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Speaker 2
Oh one.
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Speaker 3
Oh shoes people.
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Speaker 1
That was like full of snow. And then I do this in the snow doesn't go away.
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Speaker 2
That's good. Like, yo, is that all that snow on your head, you know, and they say, nice.
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Speaker 3
The hat. I'm just icy like that.
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Speaker 2
They like that or camouflage, you know, just. Jon, come on, just jump up on people.
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Speaker 3
But, Oh, shit. He was black in those wet clothes on the black eyes.
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Speaker 2
Bitch. But. So, Berlin, you. Are you here now? How long you been in Berlin for.
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Speaker 1
7 or 8.
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Speaker 2
Years. Seven. Eight years. Nice. Brauhaus. Berlin.
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Speaker 1
Are you good and bad, man? Good and bad. Now I can't.
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Speaker 3
Complain once again. A lot of crazy people, but a lot of cool situations, too. Nice. Like a lot of shit. Evolved because of Berlin. Like, started doing comedy here more seriously. You know.
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Speaker 1
Then that became kind of like half of my life.
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Speaker 3
So that's cool. Yeah.
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Speaker 2
Comedy tends to be that way sometimes. Especially when you funny at it, right?
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Speaker 3
Hell yeah.
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Speaker 2
There you go. You're very funny.
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Speaker 3
I'm going to just keep doing this in the entire podcast.
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Speaker 2
You do that too long. Me, my break my phone. No joke.
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Speaker 3
I might be. Did you see, like, the thing with the with the people, like, breaking glass with energy and shit. Not what. Yeah, there's like, even, like, who's it? This guy that.
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Speaker 1
Like, there's a bunch of these famous.
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Speaker 3
Like, KKK guys in it.
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Speaker 2
Okay. So not. Yeah.
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Speaker 3
Yeah. So I don't know who he. But it is like a random clip, but they, like, surrounded this, glass table. And all of them are like, like doing some breathing exercises or whatever it is. And then the fucking guru.
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Speaker 1
The meditation leader just goes like, okay, now breathe in and now push.
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Speaker 3
All of your energy down. Push, push push push push. And they like broke the, the glass there was like in the middle on the live podcast and everything of you. Oh shit. They start doing black people shit. You know, like I told you, that's all you. You know.
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Speaker 2
I told you, there's always somebody that I want to tell you. But they never knew.
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Speaker 3
I was telling you.
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Speaker 2
I told you, what did you tell me?
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Speaker 3
Oh, shit is real. Oh, shit is real. I told you, I told you, it's like.
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Speaker 2
Look, we better, Not all assume that that was going to work before we saw that.
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Speaker 3
You know?
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Speaker 2
Yeah, but, yeah, I know that shows definitely don't work. Where are you? How do you know?
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Speaker 3
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Speaker 1
But which, I'm going to break your thing with fucking.
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Speaker 2
They got some Dragonball G jumbo G.
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Speaker 3
Do you actually watch me? How dare you? Yeah. Do, bro.
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Speaker 2
Well, I used to. And then, you know, it's like a ridiculous thing.
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Speaker 3
What do you.
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Speaker 1
Mean? That I'm a Dragon Ball G?
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Speaker 2
Dragon ball Z, but I fucked up.
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Speaker 3
I'm a fucking Dragon Ball G, bro. Let's get.
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Speaker 2
I'm definitely not a Dragon Ball G. I do not want to be that right now in my life. For real, Dragon ball G, I just want to be a regular G. Dragon ball. Let's take the Dragon Ball out.
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Speaker 3
That's that's that's. If Dragon Ball existed. You wouldn't want to be a Dragon Ball G.
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Speaker 2
See, if Dragon Ball existed, I would be nervous about which character I would be in that whole universe. Yeah. You ever think about, like, these movies and stuff and, like, how does a protagonist and multiple protagonist antagonist. And then you have somebody that's just a filler character, you. I'd be so nervous to. But because sometimes you think like, all right, look at it.
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Speaker 2
Yamcha and, Dragon Ball Z, right? Or Dragon Ball? You thought that was the man right here? That the dragon fish? It's not whatever.
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Speaker 3
I mean, he's just. Yeah, he just became.
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Speaker 2
Filler in the most.
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Speaker 3
Tragic way. So you think you're going to become a filler character?
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Speaker 2
I don't want to, but Yamcha did it.
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Speaker 3
Yamcha?
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Speaker 2
I thought he was them. You know what I mean? Yeah. Bulma, you know things are going too good for him. He had the.
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Speaker 3
Tire, he had the wolf thing. Whatever. Yeah, but he figured.
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Speaker 1
Out a certain level that he, like, maxed out on, and he didn't want to push himself any further. That's why he became a side character. If they decided to write it, like, more legit, as if a human being could actually, like, reach that level. What do you do with that power of course you're going to want like some more extra mega skills.
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Speaker 1
That's what makes you a main character, you know?
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Speaker 3
Yeah. The way that you go in search of for that shit, the way.
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Speaker 1
That you go and like, put yourself in different scenarios to evolve yourself past whatever you are now to be the main character.
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Speaker 2
I agree, and that's something I agree and probably have that foresight. Once I would have tried to be the main character and then failed and be like, you know what, man? Look, all right, it might because I mean, basically the writer on Dragon Ball Z is basically God in a sense, right?
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Speaker 3
Yeah, I.
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Speaker 2
Guess God ain't got in his plans. He didn't write this script for me.
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Speaker 3
For real. I mean, but we.
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Speaker 2
All think so. You're the.
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Speaker 3
Person that writes the script, man up to.
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Speaker 2
The job, try to not write Dragon Ball Z. He would have Dragon Ball Z, he didn't write. Yeah, he. Yeah. I'm trying to write himself to be mute. Not mute it, but not be the top person. Yeah. And to have Bulma go with Vegeta and have a family that bro, he did not. He did not want that.
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Speaker 3
Yeah, for sure not.
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Speaker 1
But regardless of all of that good shit.
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Speaker 3
We have the opportunity to.
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Speaker 1
Be Goku instead of Yamcha. You know this is true. So why not try and be Goku and or Naruto or, you know, like now it rule out.
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Speaker 3
A little bit more,
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Speaker 1
And like, it doesn't matter what scenario. Like any other character, I'm like.
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Speaker 3
Oh, shit, they fighting? They might die. Yeah. And I'll like, see.
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Speaker 1
Naruto go into any fight. Doesn't matter what the scenario is. I'm like, this thing ain't done.
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Speaker 3
Yeah.
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Speaker 2
All right, here's a better a.
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Speaker 3
Let's call it effort. He's he's not dying. Yeah. You know, let me just see how he's not going to die in the next episode. Right. Basically.
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Speaker 2
Yeah. The writer had it in the plans. Yeah.
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Speaker 3
And so the same way I do believe.
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Speaker 1
The writer has it in the plans. And if we're.
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Speaker 3
Still around here. Yeah, you know, I hope so.
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Speaker 1
And I've been through some crazy shit I that. Yeah.
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Speaker 2
So I mean yeah, yeah, yeah. Which we'll get into a little bit. I mean the anime is so interesting, especially the anime is now they're becoming more, I don't know, I want to say dramatic, but more, the consequences are so heavy. You ever saw Attack on Titan?
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Speaker 3
Yeah.
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Speaker 2
Bro.
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Speaker 3
Well, it's the did that.
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Speaker 2
Yeah. I mean, great, great. One of the I mean, not one of the I mean, I say one of the best I want to star in beefier.
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Speaker 3
But the one before you starting by.
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Speaker 1
Saying anime is the best. Come on, come on.
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Speaker 3
There you go. See which one is.
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Speaker 1
It in the comment that.
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Speaker 2
That trigger finger. Are you going to do the comments on pages that I have to know?
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Speaker 3
I mean, for real, this is like a thing.
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Speaker 2
Don't worry about it. Nice. Cool. I don't even know how YouTube works. Don't worry about it.
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Speaker 3
You think like a handgun is a thing.
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Speaker 2
This is going to be shown in America, so it might do great in America actually. So please keep on doing that throughout the podcast. I need to yeah I need to get more people in America.
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Speaker 3
Okay. Do you have something that you like?
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Speaker 1
Block yourself out of doing just because people might, like, not allow you to post something somewhere or some natural body movement or something? Did you actually say.
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Speaker 3
To do stop.
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Speaker 1
Yourself from being yourself?
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Speaker 2
And I want to say stop being myself? Maybe it just more, I guess something close to that as being mindful or so. So like say for example, if I want to say something like a natural conversation just for the sake of it being recorded, that I kind of have to be mindful. Because another thing too is that I edit it.
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Speaker 2
So when you record something and you have to edit it, you become very mindful about continuity.
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Speaker 3
And the things you're saying. Yeah.
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Speaker 2
Because bro, I mean, you know, she sounds great live, but when you have to edit it for a way to, to to basically take what you had live and put it into a medium that's not live, it's like a process where it's like very brutal. Like you, you sin, you know.
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Speaker 3
You may not do that by editing all the time. Yeah. Like I'm trying to see how you see these these things. Yeah.
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Speaker 2
You edit your own stand up clips and you like great live when it comes to that. You have to edit it and show like that. Like after you kind of like, like, you know what it's like, where does that, you know, this joke is not I can't edit, I can't cut this joke in. So it's kind of like a dance every time where you like, obviously you don't want to mute yourself, live in what you're doing, but at the same time, you do want this depending to be shown in some medium that requires some type of restriction.
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Speaker 1
Do you believe that you need the restriction.
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Speaker 3
Or do you believe that you.
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Speaker 1
Can find a way to bring what your life thing is to the medium?
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Speaker 2
That's a good question. I think is a dance to it. I think three things. One is that the medium and what you want out of it. Second is like the how pure you want that thing to be. And then third is, is your own internal like what are you looking for out from that medium. Like, you know, most people are looking for views or something or a lot of people see it like art, I mean, but in an artificial way nowadays with social media.
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Speaker 3
Yeah. But still like.
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Speaker 1
Algorithm, algorithm. You know, some people like, want to play the algorithm, but some people just do whatever the fuck. And then that changes the algorithm.
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Speaker 2
Yeah. That is true. That is true.
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Speaker 1
I think I'm like Kimbo Slice for example. He was like that. You you know Kimbo of course.
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Speaker 3
Of course I don't know I need to ask.
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Speaker 2
I mean know when you're a pro so you know.
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Speaker 3
Some idea that I mean I'm still also in Europe.
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Speaker 1
And I've never like gone to the States or whatever, but I've watched a bunch of this anyway.
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Speaker 3
So this dude was like on YouTube.
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Speaker 1
At one point, right. And because he was on YouTube.
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Speaker 3
YouTube started getting more or less more popular. Because of what he was doing in real life.
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Speaker 1
To be himself was making YouTube more popular. Henceforth what he was doing was changing the algorithm. Right. And it changed the algorithm so heavy that him from being a YouTube star, never having a official fight, never that I did it, straight went into fighting the biggest, like, legends, heaviest dudes. Whatever it is, in the MMA, UFC, all that bullshit, right?
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Speaker 1
Right. And he basically changed the algorithm of the thing which people were saying, like, nah, you can't fight, the best, that of the heavyweights. You need to, like, build yourself up as a fighter, go through this circuit, this circuit, that circuit, this circuit, that circuit to get to that level. And the dude was like, nah, I'm just going to knock the lights out of everybody in the backyard, you know.
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Speaker 3
Yeah. Like straight up like this, like dude. Oh, just like like the first, like in video with the dudes. I almost like coming out of his head and bro.
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Speaker 2
Nah, that's a that's insane. That's a fact, bro. Now, you you was right about that.
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Speaker 3
I think, you know, like and this is why I'm asking you, like, do you what's the what's.
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Speaker 1
The dance between. Is it the dance between you molding yourself to.
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Speaker 3
Fit the.
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Speaker 1
Algorithm enough so that you can do yourself or you doing yourself to the max.
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Speaker 3
Enough to change the algorithm?
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Speaker 2
I think there's a dance between the two and I think that's especially with entertainment is like there's certain tides and different and not those say different tides or whatever in which like not the right time but the like a time in which like maybe there's a place in time where like, it made it more capable of you like changing the algorithm in a way.
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Speaker 2
Not saying that can't be right. Like, I mean, like, obviously be yourself or whatever. And, you know, don't let any outside forces constrict your art. But then the dance is that you want your art to be seen, and nine times out of ten is going to be some medium like so, you know, I mean.
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Speaker 3
Instagram, Instagram.
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Speaker 2
Movies, right. Like, I mean, you know, you want to do something a movie, but you kind of have to like, stay in this position, blink twice, you know, do this even though that might not be as natural as if you on a stage on a bike, doing a play.
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Speaker 3
For a movie, you mean?
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Speaker 2
Yeah. Like I'm just saying, like, a medium in which this art is going to be like trans.
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Speaker 3
You do.
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Speaker 2
It's going to be viewed in or something. So, that dance of like, all right, I want to be in the moment. I want this to be raw as possible. But then that raw thing at some point needs to be somewhat manipulated, cooked or something for it to be. I want to say, let me not say digested all but music palatable to a wide range of people in a way.
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Speaker 2
Maybe you would want that to be seen. And that comes down to like how you would want that to be seen. That third part of like, do you want views? Do you want people to connect with it? Are you okay with few people doing it? So that's that constant dance of like.
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Speaker 1
Do I want to like to go big real quick in one way or another?
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Speaker 3
Or who do who do I want to see this?
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Speaker 1
They want the normies to see this or not. But at the same time, it's like if.
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Speaker 3
You most of.
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Speaker 1
Most of like the solid, let's say popular now artists that I look up.
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Speaker 3
To,
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Speaker 1
When they started doing anything, they just built up their own like tiny fan base.
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Speaker 3
Yeah. Until they were.
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Speaker 1
How do you go this? It's not undeniable. It's, you can't not see them, you know.
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Speaker 3
Right to that.
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Speaker 1
Point and then whoever sees that whether or not they like it or whatever feels the need to give some type of opinion, talk about it, connect with.
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Speaker 3
Other people over.
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Speaker 1
The thing if it's over.
00;14;07;12 - 00;14;09;28
Speaker 3
Hatred or love towards the thing.
00;14;10;01 - 00;14;10;21
Speaker 1
People connect.
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Speaker 3
Over.
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Speaker 1
Whatever you've brought to existence.
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Speaker 3
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Speaker 2
Right. That's. Yeah you're right.
00;14;16;10 - 00;14;20;17
Speaker 1
And so in my head it's like how do I bring that thing to existence.
00;14;20;22 - 00;14;22;17
Speaker 3
You know, I don't want to just.
00;14;22;17 - 00;14;43;09
Speaker 1
Bring the thing to existence. Like I feel like all of us are here in one way or another is, like as a medium to channel something, right? When we get ideas, when we get, like for movies, for pictures, for comedy, for jokes, for whatever it is, you get an idea. That means you're the vessel that needs to give this idea to the world.
00;14;43;11 - 00;15;11;26
Speaker 1
If it's a gift. Right. Let's say any skill that you have, we consider it as a gift. Right. Oh, you're gifted. You're gifted with this. You're gifted with it. Right? Right. To me, if you have gifts, gifts are there to be given. Not to a certain person to a that but back to the field. You know, so if I get an idea, it's my job opportunity and like, I, I'm, I need to be the one to bring this idea forth, right in one way or another.
00;15;11;26 - 00;15;22;29
Speaker 1
If it's for a color. Once again, if it's for a song, right? For a movie, whatever it is, my job is put it out there. Whatever happens afterwards kind of doesn't matter because it's outside of your hands anyway.
00;15;23;01 - 00;15;23;25
Speaker 3
Right?
00;15;23;27 - 00;15;45;28
Speaker 1
But in my head, it's like, okay, what is this thing that I have? And then I said, sometimes I picture it, I add more things to it. If it's a smell, if it's a word, if it's a whatever, you know? Yeah, make it more tangible. And then whenever it's tangible in my head, I go like what is in my immediate surroundings, that it can put this out somehow.
00;15;46;04 - 00;15;47;03
Speaker 3
00;15;47;06 - 00;16;06;25
Speaker 2
That's that I like the way you just put that man. I think you just encapsulated like, what a true, true artist is and what they confront and what they constantly think about when it comes to like their art was channeling that art. What how they put that art out into the world, how they deal with how the world receives it.
00;16;06;28 - 00;16;09;29
Speaker 2
You know, the people that like it resonates all those things.
00;16;10;01 - 00;16;19;08
Speaker 1
But that's something that's completely out of your control. We don't I don't have a power of like, going in your head and being like. Like my shit.
00;16;19;11 - 00;16;21;16
Speaker 3
You know? Yeah, I can do all of the tricks.
00;16;21;16 - 00;16;34;23
Speaker 1
Of the trade, of the Instagram, of the algorithm, of the hashtags, of the these emojis. Or like, the subtitles need to pop up a certain way, right? I can put the character, like, perfectly in the the fucking.
00;16;34;23 - 00;16;38;25
Speaker 3
Spiral, you know, because that's instantly where your eyes go.
00;16;39;01 - 00;16;43;23
Speaker 1
That's how I edit my videos to right, right. Like I cut and I put myself into that.
00;16;43;23 - 00;16;45;02
Speaker 3
Little space where the.
00;16;45;02 - 00;16;48;09
Speaker 1
Spiral ends. Yeah, because that's where your focus point is.
00;16;48;09 - 00;16;52;04
Speaker 2
Oh, right. That. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I forgot the name of it. But I know you talked.
00;16;52;04 - 00;16;53;26
Speaker 1
About the Fibonacci sequence. Is it?
00;16;54;01 - 00;16;57;16
Speaker 2
I think so, yeah. It's like a, like a grid and it has a little circle.
00;16;57;16 - 00;17;01;21
Speaker 3
That goes exactly, exactly. Yeah. Golden ratio.
00;17;01;21 - 00;17;01;26
Speaker 1
Is.
00;17;01;26 - 00;17;03;12
Speaker 2
Golden ratio. Yeah.
00;17;03;14 - 00;17;11;17
Speaker 1
And so you can put yourself in the golden ratio. You can do all of these things. Right. But doesn't matter what you do to this, somebody can see this and can be.
00;17;11;17 - 00;17;21;10
Speaker 3
Like this is fucking trash, right. And somebody can see this and be like, oh, holy shit, I'm this is I'm changing my life.
00;17;21;10 - 00;17;22;18
Speaker 2
Yeah, right.
00;17;22;21 - 00;17;25;10
Speaker 1
Both of these reactions are completely out of my hands.
00;17;25;14 - 00;17;26;16
Speaker 3
00;17;26;18 - 00;17;48;05
Speaker 1
But what is in my hands is I have the idea I need to make it. I need to create it and it needs to be tangible in one way or another. So if you make something and you just keep it for yourself. Loses the purpose through a thing that is made, wants to be seen, felt, touched, smelled, whatever it is.
00;17;48;05 - 00;17;49;06
Speaker 1
Right. Because it's made.
00;17;49;06 - 00;17;51;25
Speaker 3
It's the like the whatever.
00;17;51;25 - 00;18;07;24
Speaker 1
Vibrational sequence that was sent to your head is something that wants to be created. It wants to live in one way or another, right? Wants to be interacted with. And that's why I think a lot of people go through like anxiety, depression and all of these things because a lot of us now.
00;18;07;24 - 00;18;11;06
Speaker 3
Are super gifted, with a lot of shit, bro.
00;18;11;06 - 00;18;34;14
Speaker 1
Like, we have so much opportunities to do so many things and people glitch out and then they start hiding their gifts, right? You took it away somewhere or you took it away somewhere. You hide this, you hide that as that's why I'm asking you. Like, is there anything that you're hiding from your things? Because I feel like when people hide, hide, hide at one point, whatever you've hidden or tucked away, it rots.
00;18;34;16 - 00;18;35;04
Speaker 3
00;18;35;07 - 00;18;44;15
Speaker 1
Because it is alive. Right. But if you put it somewhere and you hide it it's going to rot. And then whatever the rotten thing is it starts affecting other parts of your existence.
00;18;44;18 - 00;18;45;05
Speaker 3
00;18;45;07 - 00;18;47;02
Speaker 1
You know.
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Speaker 2
That is Well, first of all, the way you just like, talked about all of that. I mean, I think just that alone as an artist, that's again, that's, something that even I think about in terms of, like, hiding something, I guess. I guess, like, maybe some things are hidden at times or whatever. Maybe. And again, maybe not for the purpose of it being hidden, but rather it like, I think every artist has a, a fear of like how it may be perceived or received, let me say.
00;19;12;11 - 00;19;12;26
Speaker 3
00;19;13;11 - 00;19;13;29
Speaker 2
And dealing.
00;19;13;29 - 00;19;15;13
Speaker 1
With it, they don't like feel this.
00;19;15;16 - 00;19;15;29
Speaker 3
Yeah.
00;19;16;00 - 00;19;33;03
Speaker 2
I mean that's, that's every and then you know confront like part of that confrontation and, and and and wrestling with that kind of also makes the art in the sense right of like you know I think every, every one of us has gone to a point where we have like, I don't know if there's going to be receive and then be like, fuck it.
00;19;33;06 - 00;19;54;28
Speaker 2
You know, having that like, you're fucking like I'm the I'm putting it out and just whatever happens, happens. But like that part of that, that, that, that conflict I guess of like, all right, this is my thing. I really it really feels true to me. But then is not the thing that maybe out here but then, you know, so you looking at angles, maybe you might adjust here and there, but then you might build the courage or the heart to be like, oh, fuck it.
00;19;54;28 - 00;20;13;21
Speaker 2
So put it out. What am I be some things like legit being like, hey, look, maybe not right now or something. But in terms of these things, I would say, hiding or so like that, I would probably am hiding some things or so like that, but maybe things and, and for whatever reason that may be, it may be for fears, it may be in that, you know, I do social media.
00;20;13;21 - 00;20;24;14
Speaker 2
So like social media, there is a, there's a way to they release certain things and we're in a unfortunately, fortunately, unfortunately, I would say.
00;20;24;16 - 00;20;28;16
Speaker 1
Wait, wait, wait. You said there's a way to do certain things. What do you mean? Yeah.
00;20;28;16 - 00;20;57;02
Speaker 2
In terms of, like, in this, where we live now with the multiple mediums that we have of, like, distributing that art, that there's specific, constraints that are there in each, place, let me say, like Instagram or YouTube or, even, I don't know, even a venue or something, right? Where like in order for this to have the maximum reach or something or like to get or for this to exist in a way that I want to like 1 to 1, like, all right.
00;20;57;08 - 00;21;17;25
Speaker 2
The same way I'm experiencing now, the same I want to experience in this place. I'm putting it at that. There are some constraints or some things that you have to be mindful of. So, for example, if I'm shooting a web series or something, you two will be a great place. If I shop on Instagram, you know, I have to be mindful of like how that may how that may come out, not saying what it is.
00;21;18;01 - 00;21;23;10
Speaker 1
Okay, but it may come out. But in a sense, you said like YouTube is a good place for web series.
00;21;23;12 - 00;21;24;00
Speaker 2
Or.
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Speaker 3
The for.
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Speaker 2
Example. Yeah, like most likely, let me say just like most.
00;21;27;05 - 00;21;30;22
Speaker 3
Like we're just we're just being like shooting around. Yeah, yeah. So let's say YouTube.
00;21;30;22 - 00;21;36;12
Speaker 1
Is a good place for web series. Yeah. So it didn't used to be.
00;21;36;15 - 00;21;38;01
Speaker 2
True true true.
00;21;38;03 - 00;22;00;25
Speaker 1
People made it good for web series and so forth. You say like usually people don't put a web series on Instagram. And what if it's the most legit web series ever fucking created? And it doesn't matter if it's on Instagram, YouTube, Hulu, Hulu, but people go to whatever it is to go and see that thing. Yeah. Now you've created a web series that changes Instagram.
00;22;00;28 - 00;22;06;06
Speaker 1
Now Instagram is going to come to you right. And offer you some shit.
00;22;06;09 - 00;22;08;17
Speaker 3
True. You get what I'm saying. Yeah.
00;22;08;20 - 00;22;11;01
Speaker 2
No, definitely. Yeah. I see what you're saying.
00;22;11;01 - 00;22;11;09
Speaker 3
What's the.
00;22;11;09 - 00;22;32;12
Speaker 1
What's the thing that is like, why should I like follow the let's say because. Is it the same thing with the series. Why should it. Why should I be like, okay, so web series go on YouTube, I'll do the YouTube web series thing. If I know that web series go on YouTube, that means that everybody right now that is making a web series is going to be competing on YouTube for the web series to be popular.
00;22;32;15 - 00;22;37;00
Speaker 1
Where is somewhere that nobody ever fucking sees? A web series or Instagram?
00;22;37;02 - 00;22;40;26
Speaker 3
Yeah, true. Or fucking TikTok, I don't know, I mean random, right? Yeah.
00;22;40;26 - 00;22;53;28
Speaker 2
No no no no no. These are things that to your point is like very true. And I think is that dance of like what you're doing in terms of and what's a dance sometimes. And I are orchestrator. Right. Sometimes you might be like, yeah, let's see what happens. Right.
00;22;53;28 - 00;22;56;08
Speaker 3
Like this and go even further. Yes.
00;22;56;10 - 00;23;06;28
Speaker 1
The homie was doing the same thing because I showed him like, oh yeah, guys recently started posting videos on Instagram and TikTok. He's like, do you do YouTube shorts? I'm like.
00;23;07;01 - 00;23;08;01
Speaker 2
That's such a.
00;23;08;03 - 00;23;11;17
Speaker 3
Good thing. You know what I mean? I know, I know, yeah, yeah.
00;23;11;19 - 00;23;26;12
Speaker 1
In my head I was like, nah, I'm not like, it wasn't even figured in my head of being like, I'm going to post this on YouTube. No, right. You know? And now I'm like, why don't I fucking post it everywhere? Yeah. It's the problem of posting it here, here, here, here and here and here and here and here.
00;23;26;13 - 00;23;34;02
Speaker 1
Here. Right. Like it literally takes you four seconds. You can copy paste the captions, copy paste the hashtags.
00;23;34;04 - 00;23;36;23
Speaker 3
Put the video up. Yeah, let it roll.
00;23;36;27 - 00;23;37;10
Speaker 2
And see what.
00;23;37;10 - 00;23;38;17
Speaker 3
Happens and see what happens. Yeah.
00;23;38;20 - 00;23;46;29
Speaker 1
Or maybe you put like the three minute one on YouTube. The four second one on TikTok in the one minute one segments on your Instagram.
00;23;47;05 - 00;24;00;18
Speaker 2
But see like right there, right there, right like and again this is, this is all good. This is like things where like this is the dance right where you like again you had it here and somebody told you to be like, oh shit, I don't even know how I can make that move, you know what I mean? And it's like, oh, well, how about that?
00;24;00;18 - 00;24;08;03
Speaker 2
You know, you start learning the steps and, you know, with that you kind of with those steps, you started learning how to make your own moves, right? Like.
00;24;08;05 - 00;24;32;13
Speaker 1
But that's what I mean. Yeah. Because like, I not not only that you're like, learn the steps, but you learn that your own pattern of like thinking can be broken to ward something that is bigger or better. Right? Right. And then I started thinking, what are the other aspects of my existence where I do this? Where I see only the Instagram and the TikTok and I don't even look to the left and see the YouTube and other stuff.
00;24;32;15 - 00;24;48;09
Speaker 1
Yeah, right. And so I'm thinking, is this can this be with health? Can this be with physical exercise? What can I do that I'm not doing? That would be extremely beneficial. With sleeping with time, like.
00;24;48;11 - 00;24;50;10
Speaker 3
Clothes, you know. Yeah, yeah.
00;24;50;13 - 00;25;07;22
Speaker 1
I started trying to apply this in every aspect of my existence. Right. And then I don't know if the dude. I'd have gotten to, like, crazy points with, like, just like sitting there thinking about shit. Like meditating for like, oh, I don't even want to call it necessarily meditating because people now have a direct connotation to it.
00;25;07;22 - 00;25;10;02
Speaker 2
Meditating is the way to Berlin now. So meditating.
00;25;10;02 - 00;25;11;17
Speaker 1
Oh my God, he's meditating.
00;25;11;19 - 00;25;14;22
Speaker 2
You might be copyright infringement right now. Yeah.
00;25;14;25 - 00;25;17;10
Speaker 3
Talking about copyright and fake Yogi.
00;25;17;12 - 00;25;20;08
Speaker 1
He doesn't know what meditation is. Meditation is this and that. Like no, it's not.
00;25;20;08 - 00;25;26;00
Speaker 2
Just ketamine first. And then you can meditate. You take this upper and then go down. And then in the middle is where you find a meditation.
00;25;26;04 - 00;25;33;23
Speaker 1
Or like you need to be extremely pure and not have, eaten, taken anything for the past 50,000 years to be able to properly meditate. Now, if.
00;25;33;23 - 00;25;35;11
Speaker 2
You ate beef, not today.
00;25;35;13 - 00;25;37;18
Speaker 3
Not if you.
00;25;37;18 - 00;25;49;07
Speaker 1
Feel like meditating. Is there any single moment where you can go, like, okay, I'm going to shut my body off and actually keep using my mind consciously towards different directions. Right. It can be also movement, meditation, I guess, but.
00;25;49;08 - 00;25;50;16
Speaker 2
That's just my favorite right there.
00;25;50;22 - 00;25;53;15
Speaker 1
It's a different type of stuff that you shut down and you don't.
00;25;53;18 - 00;25;55;07
Speaker 2
It's just crazy easy. But yeah, you do.
00;25;55;07 - 00;25;56;07
Speaker 1
Awesome movement meditation.
00;25;56;08 - 00;25;59;11
Speaker 2
Yeah, bro.
00;25;59;14 - 00;26;00;24
Speaker 3
Oh,
00;26;00;26 - 00;26;17;00
Speaker 2
So, so I do, I do a lot of, kettlebell workouts, kettlebell workouts, and also to, Club Bell. So basically there's a metal club. And like part of the workouts is very long. Swinging it. Right. Like swinging across your body, swinging the inside outside, around your head. And sometimes the workouts like swinging.
00;26;17;00 - 00;26;19;00
Speaker 3
You do it with the bats with like the.
00;26;19;01 - 00;26;35;11
Speaker 2
Like the it's like a literally a metal club. Like you look at it, it's like metal, right? And basically meditation goes for one. I'm swinging it sometimes up to like 20 minutes nonstop. So like in my hands, like constantly. It's swinging 20 minutes and I'm also counting. So I have to count the amount of reps I'm doing in the sets.
00;26;35;11 - 00;26;38;09
Speaker 2
And I got to like, be mindful. And I'm like, you know, I'm going for a long time.
00;26;38;09 - 00;26;39;06
Speaker 3
So so I'm going to.
00;26;39;06 - 00;26;40;27
Speaker 1
Constantly.
00;26;40;29 - 00;26;41;26
Speaker 3
Yeah.
00;26;41;27 - 00;26;43;01
Speaker 1
You head into a rhythm.
00;26;43;04 - 00;27;04;01
Speaker 2
Yeah a rhythm. I gotta clear my mind in the breathing and make sure my breathing is connected. Cycling like keep the movement going in a certain way. Yeah. My muscles in my lats firing is like something mindful of my brain starts going out, then I start losing count. I got to back in the moment. So it's like a meditation of like, I have extra thoughts and I don't have any music because I got to hear my thoughts.
00;27;04;03 - 00;27;10;00
Speaker 2
Yeah. Where I'm counting and, yeah, if I don't, then I lose count. Then it hurts. Yeah, it's like a whole thing.
00;27;10;01 - 00;27;29;26
Speaker 1
Hell yes. Yeah. Question. When you get into a state like this and sometimes the counting feels truly effortless and you just swing and you're not really you don't want to do 20 reps, you don't want to do 50. You just swinging right, and you're swinging, swinging. And you get to that one point of all of this just happening by itself, right?
00;27;29;26 - 00;27;30;24
Speaker 3
Yeah.
00;27;30;26 - 00;27;45;06
Speaker 1
You're not body anymore. You're not your mind. You're not you're but you're like, personally, I don't know because I do very similar things. Oh nice. I get to a really like clear like center state somehow.
00;27;45;09 - 00;27;46;08
Speaker 3
00;27;46;10 - 00;28;05;24
Speaker 1
If it's okay, if you're, if you're just like, standing as a, as a being, as a stick is or whatever, right? And wind is blowing at you from all directions. There's earthquakes in your like shaking and you're moving with the thing, right? Right. When I do any type of meditation, it's kind of like I make a forcefield around me where all of these things are still happening.
00;28;05;26 - 00;28;10;22
Speaker 1
But there is a piece within the forcefield that is really cool.
00;28;10;25 - 00;28;11;13
Speaker 3
00;28;11;16 - 00;28;21;18
Speaker 1
It just stays there, right? And it's just peaceful and observant and ethereal somehow. I don't know, it's really.
00;28;21;18 - 00;28;24;22
Speaker 3
Strange to explain. Yeah, yeah, but, like.
00;28;24;25 - 00;28;32;04
Speaker 1
It, like, at one point, I don't even notice that I'm doing the movement. Like, the movement is kind of just doing itself. And my mind is.
00;28;32;04 - 00;28;38;20
Speaker 3
Like going places. Yeah. Like fucking like actual like, like miles away.
00;28;38;24 - 00;28;48;26
Speaker 1
And so some type of different than, like thing. I don't know how to fully explain it. Wow. But it's, that's why I'm asking like, this is how I know for sure. Like what my center is.
00;28;48;26 - 00;28;49;22
Speaker 3
Yeah.
00;28;49;25 - 00;29;11;15
Speaker 1
When I do these, like, meditation, these, like, thoughts, these things, these red, you send your mind somewhere or you do a certain movement or do a certain count or you do red, you lock your body into mechanically doing motion or a certain thing without you needing to tell your body to do it.
00;29;11;18 - 00;29;31;05
Speaker 2
Yeah. If it's yeah you're asking if it's similar to. Yeah. I kind of, I would say it's almost like a, it's almost like an earthquake to what you're saying, like earthquake and tsunami and stuff in which, I gotta make sure the boat doesn't tip over. And the only way it doesn't, I gotta be mindful of any potential cracks are in the boat, so I have to be in.
00;29;31;05 - 00;29;41;01
Speaker 2
It's almost like I got to be in the boat. If I think about the actual storm that's happening around me, then it's going to. It's going to sink. Yeah, yeah. Because is increasingly in horror and I'm sweating.
00;29;41;01 - 00;29;45;00
Speaker 3
And you know, I, you know this wave is bad. That oh fuck the wind is right.
00;29;45;04 - 00;29;46;22
Speaker 1
But if you're like in the boat.
00;29;46;25 - 00;29;50;01
Speaker 2
Yeah. You kind of know how to, you know, rock with it. Oh sounds like oh see.
00;29;50;01 - 00;29;56;13
Speaker 3
That side dips a little bit more and yeah, yeah. All of that. Right. All of that bro.
00;29;56;20 - 00;29;59;18
Speaker 2
Yeah. You. Yeah, that's a good. I never thought about it that way.
00;29;59;21 - 00;30;00;00
Speaker 3
Yeah.
00;30;00;05 - 00;30;15;00
Speaker 2
Because like, you know, you know, sometimes. Yeah, yeah. So you get out of body. But actually I'm also I'm gonna upswing in a metal back for like 15 minutes. This is this is wild, you know, but then you kind of like. All right, cool. Then then maybe your legs start feeling a certain way, but then you push past this.
00;30;15;00 - 00;30;19;00
Speaker 2
I was like, it's like a lot of things. Yeah. Then you strengthen. Don't. Yeah.
00;30;19;01 - 00;30;34;11
Speaker 1
You really pass like certain levels that you thought like, oh, this is for sure as much as I can do. And then you get that like little warmup phase that you get to the middle of it and you, you kind of automatically pass the thing that you like thought that was your end.
00;30;34;13 - 00;30;35;11
Speaker 3
Yeah. Like really.
00;30;35;11 - 00;30;40;11
Speaker 1
Effortless. You just like pass that thing and you're like, oh shit, I'm still going way work in this get to.
00;30;40;11 - 00;30;45;04
Speaker 3
Yeah for real bro. That at one point I don't even like to be fully honest.
00;30;45;04 - 00;30;51;24
Speaker 1
I feel like I can keep going, but then I stop myself because I'm like, maybe I'm doing harm to my body at this point.
00;30;51;27 - 00;30;55;25
Speaker 3
That's another fear, too. Yeah. And then I'm like, okay, let me like reset.
00;30;55;27 - 00;31;05;17
Speaker 1
Like go back to center, stop moving or stop doing whatever I was like doing do something else for a little bit and then maybe go back into it. Right. But yeah, it's fucking crazy.
00;31;05;17 - 00;31;21;21
Speaker 2
That's some work. Yeah, that's some real shit, bro. That's some real shit. All right, so for the people that don't know, you got you. You have a lot of things to you. I mean, you're a skateboarder. You know, your, comedian, your overall artist. You know, I don't even, you know, you model, maybe. I mean, can you guess?
00;31;21;23 - 00;31;39;03
Speaker 2
You know, you you wear some clothes of model type, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. You know, you got these are things that only a confidence of a model where, like, you think. Yeah. What? Yes. I mean, that and then have the personality you have. So if you can be confident, wear this. But then the personality side might be a little like all right.
00;31;39;06 - 00;31;55;15
Speaker 2
But you, you carry it with like the bravado of like, you know, like having a bravado and not even a bravado. It's just like who you are. So like, you know, again, I, I think when I first met you, you had like, you know, a type of setup like that, and you, the person with that type of setup, it comes and there's a Bavaro that comes with it.
00;31;55;15 - 00;32;00;04
Speaker 2
But I'm wearing is this, this is who I am for you use like hey what's up man. How you doing? Like regular you body.
00;32;00;05 - 00;32;06;02
Speaker 3
Okay, okay. You like. Yeah. So, how are you? I'm doing good. How are you doing?
00;32;06;04 - 00;32;08;12
Speaker 2
I guess I guess things are good, you know what I mean?
00;32;08;12 - 00;32;09;17
Speaker 3
And then you.
00;32;09;18 - 00;32;27;18
Speaker 2
Forget that I. This is part of your thing. So that's why I say model, so that, but then also to one thing, you say, this is why I know, you said this on stage a couple times, and this is who you are, but you also, have Congolese have Bulgari. Which, we cannot skip over that.
00;32;27;21 - 00;32;29;27
Speaker 2
That is.
00;32;30;00 - 00;32;30;20
Speaker 3
Yes.
00;32;30;22 - 00;32;37;21
Speaker 2
That is definitely something to watch you even say. But I can say I have never seen that mix before.
00;32;37;24 - 00;32;39;17
Speaker 1
You never seen a black Bulgari.
00;32;39;19 - 00;32;42;02
Speaker 2
I didn't even know what Bulgari was. So I.
00;32;42;02 - 00;32;42;15
Speaker 1
Mean, a lot of.
00;32;42;15 - 00;32;48;13
Speaker 2
People. You're the first all universe Bulgari and I met, and you're one out of, I don't even know, five in that country. I don't.
00;32;48;13 - 00;32;49;20
Speaker 3
Know.
00;32;49;22 - 00;33;00;17
Speaker 2
So my whole entire mind. I see you, you you got the, you know, you got the modern thing. This then the Bulgarian and Congolese. I was like, I don't even know shit about Bulgaria. But I guess this is it.
00;33;00;17 - 00;33;05;12
Speaker 3
Maybe, I don't know, but it's so not, bro. Okay, so I saw that a lot.
00;33;05;12 - 00;33;09;25
Speaker 1
Of times when I go back to Bulgaria, people don't.
00;33;09;28 - 00;33;11;01
Speaker 3
Like the I'm.
00;33;11;01 - 00;33;29;09
Speaker 1
Not Bulgarian for any Bulgarian. Like it doesn't register. It needs like even people sometimes that like have known me bro. It's so crazy. Okay. So like it, there was an international contest that happens in Bulgaria, a skate contest. Right.
00;33;29;11 - 00;33;29;29
Speaker 3
00;33;30;01 - 00;33;49;15
Speaker 1
And I don't know, like, there was always some type of feeling in me that like some people don't like me, they're, it doesn't matter if it's in even in skateboarding, even in this shit that I do, even in like there was like some animosity always in one way or another. Right. And they were like, I don't know, there was a lot of other people that showed me a lot of love.
00;33;49;15 - 00;34;06;04
Speaker 1
Attention, time. They showed me that it's fucking okay to be yourself. And God bless skateboarding for that 100%. Yeah, but anyway, I'm getting to shorten it. So I go to this contest and there's also international riders there, as I said, like it's an international contest, but it's in Bulgaria every year.
00;34;06;06 - 00;34;07;26
Speaker 3
00;34;07;29 - 00;34;19;23
Speaker 1
And I'm skating and they go give it up for the next rider coming in, the cartoon girl from Berlin. And I'm like, yeah, I'm from Sofia. Yeah. Sofia is the capital.
00;34;19;26 - 00;34;21;01
Speaker 2
Oh, okay. Okay. So. Right.
00;34;21;04 - 00;34;33;09
Speaker 1
So Sofia is the capital of Bulgaria. The contest is happening in the seaside, and the dudes are saying on the microphone, give it up for deal from Germany. And I'm like, I'm Bulgarian.
00;34;33;12 - 00;34;35;12
Speaker 3
I mean, I come from the capital, right? I.
00;34;35;14 - 00;34;37;03
Speaker 2
I spoke the language to you before I got.
00;34;37;03 - 00;34;37;28
Speaker 3
Here, literally.
00;34;37;28 - 00;34;41;20
Speaker 1
And as I'm dropping in, I started like swearing in Bulgarian, like.
00;34;41;22 - 00;34;45;07
Speaker 3
You know, like I'm fucking Bulgarian fucking, you know, like in.
00;34;45;07 - 00;34;51;03
Speaker 1
Bulgarian. Wow. They they don't. And these are people that like I skated with since I'm a baby.
00;34;51;05 - 00;34;52;02
Speaker 3
And I still.
00;34;52;02 - 00;34;53;20
Speaker 2
Have that disassociation.
00;34;53;22 - 00;34;55;14
Speaker 3
Somehow. And I ask them.
00;34;55;14 - 00;35;10;28
Speaker 1
Like, why would you then I even like the, I think like 1 or 2 years past with where this was happening. Like deal from Germany, deal from Germany, do from Berlin, do from Berlin. And I got pissed off and I'm like, yo, stop fucking saying that bullshit. Like I'm Bulgarian.
00;35;11;01 - 00;35;15;28
Speaker 3
Right? You know me like that's all weird. And they're like, yeah, but you live now in.
00;35;15;28 - 00;35;24;27
Speaker 1
Germany and you know, like an international context. And you came from Germany, like you traveled from Germany to here to get to the contest.
00;35;24;27 - 00;35;28;00
Speaker 3
And I'm like, dude, I know what.
00;35;28;01 - 00;35;32;15
Speaker 2
You can use. Born there. So I was like, why would you? Yeah, that's that's that's insane.
00;35;32;18 - 00;35;35;14
Speaker 3
It's insane. It's insane. But it did like, you know.
00;35;35;17 - 00;35;41;10
Speaker 1
So I complained to them and they were like, yeah, it's just because, like, you know, you like traveled from Germany and you know.
00;35;41;10 - 00;35;42;22
Speaker 2
It's like when I was born here, like, what are you.
00;35;42;22 - 00;35;50;11
Speaker 1
Talking like, don't be saying like, do you go from for an English to like all the Bulgarian writers when they drop in, it's fucking the.
00;35;50;12 - 00;35;51;18
Speaker 3
Give after that.
00;35;51;22 - 00;35;57;01
Speaker 1
That, you know. Yeah. In Bulgarian. And then I'm like, I drop in, they speak English.
00;35;57;03 - 00;35;59;02
Speaker 3
I'm like, this is like right.
00;35;59;02 - 00;36;03;09
Speaker 2
After and they know you and rather you speaking Bulgarian to them. Okay.
00;36;03;09 - 00;36;05;06
Speaker 3
That's very it's it's crazy.
00;36;05;06 - 00;36;06;08
Speaker 2
Yeah. I would be mad.
00;36;06;10 - 00;36;07;12
Speaker 3
At the other writers.
00;36;07;12 - 00;36;27;02
Speaker 1
That come from, that were coming, not from Bulgaria. Right. There's people from Holland. There's people from here. They, they like, introduce them in, in English. The Bulgarian writers they introduce in Bulgarian and then say like, give it up for the name. Right. But they introduce them in Bulgarian.
00;36;27;02 - 00;36;28;24
Speaker 3
Yeah. And me, they.
00;36;28;24 - 00;36;31;18
Speaker 1
Introduce in English as if I'm a foreign writer.
00;36;31;20 - 00;36;33;15
Speaker 3
And it felt so dumb, bro.
00;36;33;16 - 00;36;35;10
Speaker 2
Yeah. No, no, no, that's some variation.
00;36;35;14 - 00;36;39;13
Speaker 1
But as I'm saying, like, even there I'm not like, considered Bulgarian. Wow.
00;36;39;13 - 00;36;43;27
Speaker 2
But I mean, to speak the language because even your jokes, like, I mean, it's very nice and bullied.
00;36;43;27 - 00;36;47;23
Speaker 3
I said it a million times. This is born, raised and bullied in Bulgaria.
00;36;48;00 - 00;36;57;21
Speaker 2
There's no wow Vogue while Bulgarian and Congolese. So, so you which of your parents was like, Congolese in which your parents is Bulgarian?
00;36;57;26 - 00;37;04;23
Speaker 1
My mom's Bulgarian, my dad's Congolese. Okay. My dad moved to study in Bulgaria and then got kind of stuck there.
00;37;04;26 - 00;37;05;11
Speaker 2
Yeah. Stuck.
00;37;05;17 - 00;37;09;16
Speaker 3
Yeah. But, it's it's really like fucking crazy.
00;37;09;16 - 00;37;18;05
Speaker 1
Long to explain. There's a lot of stuff that happened to my dad also. God bless him. So he's he's still like an kicking ass. But I love my dad.
00;37;18;08 - 00;37;18;16
Speaker 3
Yeah.
00;37;18;18 - 00;37;21;26
Speaker 1
I love my dad. Love my mom. Shout out to dads and moms all over the world.
00;37;21;26 - 00;37;30;14
Speaker 2
Shout out to them. Oh, yes, shout out to them. And Bulgaria. So I don't know nothing about Bulgaria except they used to be a Soviet country or something, right?
00;37;30;17 - 00;37;54;14
Speaker 1
This is a place that has the like nature was is beautiful because it's the place that has the most ecosystems in a tiny space. So it has mountains, rivers, valleys, deserts, swamps. See, there's there's like a coastline. The tallest mountains in the, in the region are in Bulgaria. All types of flowers, all types of, fucking herbs.
00;37;54;18 - 00;38;02;28
Speaker 1
The everything, everything. Like nature wise. Bulgaria is in, bro. It's immaculately insane. Wow. I've never seen a place like this. Honestly.
00;38;03;03 - 00;38;03;11
Speaker 3
Yeah.
00;38;03;11 - 00;38;04;23
Speaker 2
So. Okay. It's. It's very nature is.
00;38;04;23 - 00;38;09;15
Speaker 1
Place and everything is four hours away. Like the maximum that you would need in a car to get to anything is four.
00;38;09;15 - 00;38;20;00
Speaker 2
Hours and we're okay. Oh, so because Bulgaria, I'm not going to lie, maybe I saw 1 or 2 TikToks. It probably wasn't. Bulgaria is like, is Bulgaria part of the Baltics? About the.
00;38;20;00 - 00;38;21;01
Speaker 1
Balkans, Balkans.
00;38;21;05 - 00;38;31;03
Speaker 2
Balkans? Hell yeah, I know, I knew the difference. People are Baltics, Balkan know. So I just feel like this is where my make believe, haters, that have usernames.
00;38;31;03 - 00;38;33;15
Speaker 3
Actually, you have make believe it. How many people.
00;38;33;15 - 00;38;35;07
Speaker 1
Watch this in general?
00;38;35;09 - 00;38;40;19
Speaker 2
A decent amount I would say it depends. You know, now the got clips where some got to like a million plus.
00;38;40;21 - 00;38;46;12
Speaker 3
Yeah. So that's okay. Thank you, thank you. Let's go. Thank you bro. Debut.
00;38;46;15 - 00;39;00;06
Speaker 2
So you know that, a couple hundred thousand or so like that, but, you know, obviously me marry, a person from America and United States of America. And learn about.
00;39;00;07 - 00;39;02;00
Speaker 3
To fake and for the haters,
00;39;02;02 - 00;39;08;26
Speaker 2
And I've fake faking. It's more about like, dealing with stereotypes or whatever. And then.
00;39;08;27 - 00;39;11;09
Speaker 3
If you don't know some shit, you don't know some shit, that's okay.
00;39;11;09 - 00;39;35;20
Speaker 2
Too. You know what it is? I don't know, but, like, I'm, you know, I'm asking, right? But it's kind of like, this is like a meta thing or something like that, right? But just like, because it's like almost being mindful, but at the same time addressing things. So then the conversation goes forward in the way that, you know, I do because like, again, I might post a video or something that and like the, the topic of the video is something completely different.
00;39;35;20 - 00;39;46;00
Speaker 2
But like I say like American, I'm like, yo, y'all are muting the whole reason of this video with something minutes.
00;39;46;07 - 00;39;48;00
Speaker 3
In the video, what we talked about earlier.
00;39;48;03 - 00;40;07;06
Speaker 2
But I mean it don't it also to the pain is that I'm editing it. Right. So like I'm saying it for like that's the pain to you're sitting there for a long time self-editing and you're like, all right, pieces of my life are being resourced to this thing. Like, I want to get it right. Right. This is, you know, my eyes are burning to, like, get this out.
00;40;07;06 - 00;40;19;15
Speaker 2
Right. You put it out. You. But I, I think this is dope. Like, I spent time this and that. And also too, I got people on the podcast I want to do right by them, you know, because, like, for you, you know, so I'm not not some people.
00;40;19;18 - 00;40;20;14
Speaker 3
I don't want that.
00;40;20;16 - 00;40;33;26
Speaker 2
I don't yeah, I don't want to take other people's things out of context as well. So it's almost like I want to make sure our thing also is being reflected in a way that I would feel or us for feel to feel like good and or contextual to what I'm trying to say.
00;40;33;26 - 00;40;38;28
Speaker 1
I'll say like this. Whatever I've been saying since long as time, I'll stand by.
00;40;38;28 - 00;40;39;01
Speaker 3
It.
00;40;39;05 - 00;40;40;11
Speaker 2
Yeah, like I mean like me.
00;40;40;12 - 00;41;01;02
Speaker 1
Even if it's like some shit that brings like, backlash or whatever it is. I've said what I've said. Yeah, I've said it for whatever reason, but I've said what I've said. If I don't know something and I've tucked ignorant stuff, that's because at that moment in time, I was ignorant towards a couple of things. Right? And it's just what it is.
00;41;01;04 - 00;41;17;05
Speaker 1
And like, people like go really crazy with this fucking oh, but what if they cancel? What if they, they take it out of context? Remember we talked about this a second ago? Yeah. I'm not in control of this. If you want to. Some people are going to see some shit and be like, this shit fucking sucks.
00;41;17;08 - 00;41;21;27
Speaker 1
Hate on it. Hate because you hate where white is a sweater, but you're a black guy. Yeah.
00;41;22;00 - 00;41;24;02
Speaker 3
You can make up a lot of bullshit for no reason.
00;41;24;03 - 00;41;35;11
Speaker 1
You fucking hate on it, right? All right. But I don't give a shit about, Let's. I'm like, what I am in control of is what I am saying. Yeah. Is with who I am. And I'll stand by this.
00;41;35;13 - 00;41;37;18
Speaker 3
00;41;37;20 - 00;41;45;23
Speaker 2
I want to hold on to that. Definitely want to circle back on that. But I do still want to know more about Bulgaria because that is something for real. I don't.
00;41;45;25 - 00;41;46;17
Speaker 3
You know.
00;41;46;20 - 00;41;48;12
Speaker 2
Yeah, I don't know. I'm not let me at least.
00;41;48;13 - 00;41;50;02
Speaker 3
Okay. You're a sport guy, right? Right.
00;41;50;03 - 00;41;58;00
Speaker 1
Yogurt based yogurt you can get in the entire world is not Greek yogurt. That's complete bullshit. That's complete bullshit.
00;41;58;02 - 00;42;00;03
Speaker 3
Oh, okay. It's Bulgarian.
00;42;00;03 - 00;42;00;13
Speaker 1
Yogurt.
00;42;00;13 - 00;42;03;04
Speaker 2
Bulgarian. What makes Bulgarian yogurt the best?
00;42;03;06 - 00;42;08;08
Speaker 1
The, thing that they use to curdle the milk into becoming yogurt.
00;42;08;10 - 00;42;09;10
Speaker 2
What was the thing? Like a.
00;42;09;10 - 00;42;11;10
Speaker 1
Culture. Is it called the culture here? The called.
00;42;11;11 - 00;42;11;29
Speaker 2
The bacteria.
00;42;12;00 - 00;42;18;22
Speaker 1
The bacteria? Yes. I mean, it's it's really it has like, the most Bulgarian ish name. It's called basilicas Bulgaria.
00;42;18;25 - 00;42;21;06
Speaker 3
But it's still like.
00;42;21;08 - 00;42;25;05
Speaker 1
Bro, I don't know how to explain this. You know what? I'll just bring you some Bulgarian yogurt.
00;42;25;12 - 00;42;25;22
Speaker 3
Okay?
00;42;25;29 - 00;42;36;19
Speaker 1
I'll bring you some Bulgarian yogurt, and then you can taste what? The differences between the Greek yogurt that you can get at any supermarket. And a proper bro. It has completely.
00;42;36;19 - 00;42;39;19
Speaker 3
Different. It's different shit. All right. It's some.
00;42;39;19 - 00;42;45;25
Speaker 1
Other shit. Really? Really. It's some other shit. And you, you genuinely feel fucking good eating this shit.
00;42;45;27 - 00;42;46;23
Speaker 3
Okay, so.
00;42;47;01 - 00;42;51;08
Speaker 1
You don't scarf down because, like, people don't like eating Greek yogurt that much.
00;42;51;10 - 00;43;02;04
Speaker 2
Yeah. It's not the, Yeah, the Greek yogurt. I mean, you just eat it for the, the properties of, like, protein and like, you know, like, yeah, this is will get me muscle. And, you know, once a while.
00;43;02;05 - 00;43;07;10
Speaker 1
My body is good and. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Now Bulgarian yogurt has this.
00;43;07;12 - 00;43;12;23
Speaker 3
Doubled. And it's fucking tasty bro. It's good. Like the shit is good right.
00;43;12;23 - 00;43;26;00
Speaker 1
I'm looking at you right now. Anybody that makes Bulgarian yogurt. Anybody that got a Bulgarian friend and is doing shit with your body. That is good. Ask him for some Bulgarian herbs. Ask him for some Bulgarian yogurt.
00;43;26;02 - 00;43;35;29
Speaker 2
That shit is all good. Learn about Bulgaria. I'm. My God, the yogurt. This is good. Good. I'm getting the real sauce. People are talking about the, small, you know, not small stuff, but now you tell me about the yogurt.
00;43;35;29 - 00;43;38;16
Speaker 3
Is the real yogurt is the gangster. There you go.
00;43;38;19 - 00;43;49;14
Speaker 1
Not only there's. Bulgaria is the biggest exporter for rose petals as well. Rose oil. Anything to do with rosewater or rose oil that we have the biggest rose fields in the world, bro. Let's get it.
00;43;49;15 - 00;43;54;17
Speaker 2
Wow. So you can drive something. You can just drive and see, like a whole like.
00;43;54;19 - 00;43;56;19
Speaker 3
You know, the beauty.
00;43;56;19 - 00;44;01;24
Speaker 1
The beauty in Bulgaria is unparalleled. I can stand by this.
00;44;01;26 - 00;44;02;18
Speaker 3
Because I'm.
00;44;02;19 - 00;44;15;10
Speaker 1
Also. I can stand by this based off of the places that I've seen with my own two eyes. I haven't seen the entire world, so I can say whatever. Yeah, but to again, to the fake haters,
00;44;15;13 - 00;44;20;27
Speaker 3
But it's like the victory is fucking beautiful. It's it's.
00;44;20;27 - 00;44;33;19
Speaker 1
Breathtaking. Like you can. I'm telling you, you take a car one hour out of, like, Sofia or two hours out of Sofia in any direction of nature. You leave that motherfucker, and then you walk a little bit.
00;44;33;22 - 00;44;40;14
Speaker 3
It's it's full, bro. It has too much of everything. Shit, it's. I had like.
00;44;40;17 - 00;44;46;00
Speaker 1
Sofia is the capital, right? It's a city. City. It's gritty, it's dirty. It's it's a.
00;44;46;00 - 00;44;47;04
Speaker 3
City. Yeah.
00;44;47;06 - 00;45;01;15
Speaker 1
And we still have fruits for days. When I was a kid I didn't, I had never bought a apple from the store. This doesn't happen. We had cherry trees, pear trees, apple trees every fucking where bro.
00;45;01;16 - 00;45;04;14
Speaker 3
It's it's dirt everywhere. Yeah.
00;45;04;16 - 00;45;06;19
Speaker 1
Everywhere. Had all types of fruits.
00;45;06;21 - 00;45;09;28
Speaker 2
Oh, shit. You just walk around, just grab a apple and then.
00;45;10;00 - 00;45;13;18
Speaker 3
Then it's all delicious fruit. And it's in this. And this is.
00;45;13;18 - 00;45;15;15
Speaker 1
I'm talking to you in the city.
00;45;15;17 - 00;45;16;25
Speaker 3
Yeah, right. This is.
00;45;16;25 - 00;45;22;10
Speaker 1
Not when you, like, go to the the tiny grandma village that she has like a garden.
00;45;22;10 - 00;45;29;20
Speaker 3
In. It's with the animals in the bro. It's insane. It's and it's untouched by like the.
00;45;29;22 - 00;45;33;04
Speaker 1
We have to do this for pharma or we have to, you know, this, like.
00;45;33;04 - 00;45;34;16
Speaker 3
Heavy agricultural.
00;45;34;16 - 00;45;50;16
Speaker 1
Shit. I mean, obviously it hit Bulgaria as well, but not to such a crazy extent. Bulgaria is kind of like a time capsule with like a ten year delay on it. I've also said this on stage like shit just happens later in Bulgaria should or they see shit happening and they don't care and they go like, yeah, but we're just doing our shit anyway.
00;45;50;18 - 00;45;54;00
Speaker 2
Now that's so bad. Yes, it's very hard to find that nowadays.
00;45;54;00 - 00;45;59;10
Speaker 1
A lot of preserved places, man. Yeah. And they're not preserved because they're like, this is a nature preserve.
00;45;59;10 - 00;46;01;10
Speaker 3
And we're not allowed to walk here.
00;46;01;12 - 00;46;02;14
Speaker 1
You know, not because of that.
00;46;02;15 - 00;46;04;22
Speaker 3
Just because it's it's there. Yeah.
00;46;04;27 - 00;46;20;07
Speaker 1
People don't touch it. They respect it. They go to it. They did it a you know. Yeah. You go you enjoy maybe a day at the lake, take a trash basically if it's any eco garbage, whatever you take it, you make compost.
00;46;20;14 - 00;46;22;11
Speaker 3
It's real. People are legit.
00;46;22;12 - 00;46;49;07
Speaker 1
And like some people are so nice and they're so connected to the whole beauty of, like, how we can exist with nature and with and also be a part of the city, but not but, and, you know, yeah, it's so much more like, I don't know, the spiritual aspect, even though they don't want to admit it is so much more there, like so much out of so like it's called like, societal.
00;46;49;10 - 00;47;00;08
Speaker 1
A lot of things are like with heart, you know, and it's still real. Like if somebody is coming at you like, hey, on you, you know, it's with heart.
00;47;00;10 - 00;47;06;20
Speaker 3
Yeah. You know, it's with feeling like they mean that shit. Yeah. Like that's for no reason, dude.
00;47;06;20 - 00;47;15;21
Speaker 1
100%. It might be for little reason. Yeah, but you know that they fucking mean that shit. And if it's somebody that pulls up as like, bro.
00;47;15;22 - 00;47;19;12
Speaker 3
I fucking love you. You know? They fucking mean that shit.
00;47;19;12 - 00;47;23;06
Speaker 2
Yeah, I like that. Yeah, I like that. I don't want nobody like, what are you doing here? I'm like.
00;47;23;06 - 00;47;24;15
Speaker 3
Hey, whoa, whoa.
00;47;24;22 - 00;47;25;25
Speaker 2
There's too much heart.
00;47;25;28 - 00;47;29;24
Speaker 1
You think it's too much heart? But you know him because he's screaming from a mile away.
00;47;29;24 - 00;47;31;28
Speaker 3
What the fuck are you doing? You're black.
00;47;32;00 - 00;47;35;24
Speaker 1
I don't go that way.
00;47;35;26 - 00;47;36;09
Speaker 1
You know?
00;47;36;12 - 00;47;37;02
Speaker 2
Okay. Very.
00;47;37;03 - 00;47;42;23
Speaker 3
And. Yeah, very. Yeah. Here you have people that are like.
00;47;42;26 - 00;47;47;12
Speaker 3
Did you know they're they're not going to smile.
00;47;47;12 - 00;47;49;22
Speaker 1
At you if they don't like you. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
00;47;49;25 - 00;47;55;16
Speaker 3
Okay. Smile at you. Like. Yeah. And then at the end of the day it's like, oh shit, this.
00;47;55;16 - 00;47;59;04
Speaker 1
Motherfucker hated me. Now I can go do this part here. Now I can't.
00;47;59;04 - 00;48;01;01
Speaker 3
Go do like two at that.
00;48;01;01 - 00;48;02;02
Speaker 1
Place, because I know.
00;48;02;02 - 00;48;04;09
Speaker 3
That all of this atmosphere.
00;48;04;09 - 00;48;15;25
Speaker 1
Of people that they've created and all of these characteristics that they follow because they're this type of person, it's made me not be able to go and visit them with these motherfuckers, you know. Right. But you don't got that in Bulgaria.
00;48;15;28 - 00;48;17;19
Speaker 2
So it is very clear 1 to 1. Yeah.
00;48;17;19 - 00;48;35;01
Speaker 1
If you're a football player you like playing football. You go play football. But you can also love skating and you can go skate and skate with the skaters like I'm a fucking skater. Yeah. And go play football like I'm a fucking footballer. Full on football. Football, football. And here if you're a skater, it's kind of like I'm a skater.
00;48;35;03 - 00;48;35;19
Speaker 2
It's kind of like.
00;48;35;19 - 00;48;44;08
Speaker 1
You're a comedian. It's like I'm a comedian. It's like, what do you do? I yeah, I go to the gym. It takes up all of my time and it doesn't.
00;48;44;10 - 00;49;11;18
Speaker 2
So I wonder how passive aggressiveness plays a part in that culture in Bulgaria. You know, because I don't know, because, again, this is from TikTok, or what I watch or from people that passive aggressiveness, and, well, I don't know, you can quite consider Bulgaria Western the Balkans, the Balkans. Right. Well, Balkans without because this is an east west this is east right that eastward you go.
00;49;11;18 - 00;49;20;02
Speaker 2
Passive aggressiveness is like not you know people things say things with the heart. They got a problem. They probably say up to you like directly, you know where it's like this.
00;49;20;03 - 00;49;25;14
Speaker 1
And even like get to that point very often. Like, you just see this go, you see the thing. Yeah.
00;49;25;14 - 00;49;26;22
Speaker 2
It's just like directly it doesn't.
00;49;26;22 - 00;49;38;10
Speaker 1
Yeah. You don't when I'm saying like, people like, oh fuck it, that it doesn't happen, that people just like jump in. Well, it did happen a bunch of times. I'm lying to it doesn't happen super often maybe. No, it doesn't. And it.
00;49;38;10 - 00;49;39;25
Speaker 2
Depends on some bushes right from.
00;49;39;25 - 00;49;41;07
Speaker 3
You, bro.
00;49;41;07 - 00;49;50;29
Speaker 1
Actually it happens like super often. I don't know, Bulgarian people are both super fucked up and that's why I literally left because I almost died nine times and by the ninth time I was like, I'm not going to be here.
00;49;51;00 - 00;49;52;12
Speaker 3
Okay.
00;49;52;14 - 00;49;54;03
Speaker 2
So he's about to die nine times.
00;49;54;03 - 00;49;54;27
Speaker 3
Whatever this is.
00;49;54;27 - 00;50;16;02
Speaker 1
Like the nine times that I can count as well because like, I go back and I have like talks with some friends and they remind me of some experiences that they were like, oh bro, we were almost about to, but I don't even remember this. Like, it didn't register because it became really regular that something like this would happen and I would just deal with this every day, like skinheads and, kidnapings getting stabbed, getting.
00;50;16;02 - 00;50;17;21
Speaker 3
You got kidnaped.
00;50;17;24 - 00;50;33;22
Speaker 1
Bro. Anything that you can imagine to happen to a human or to a family in all types of, like, fighting ways and protecting ways and whatever you can, it would happen to us. But they pushed our house down on our heads. Like whatever you can imagine to happen to a fucking family, bro. It did.
00;50;33;22 - 00;50;38;27
Speaker 3
You know, bro, we were through a lot of crazy shit, bro. You got kidnaped? Yeah.
00;50;38;28 - 00;50;59;08
Speaker 1
They tried to fucking steal me as a babies off the bat. Then there was more times that they tried. They tried to push my sisters in the cars. They tried to run us over with cars, like they tried to kidnap me. When I went on a summer vacation. Teachers were hating on us the entire time. They were like, doing insanely bad shit to us.
00;50;59;08 - 00;51;19;04
Speaker 1
The whole like, fucking geography teacher was the first day of the class. Get this. This is fucking with a sixth grade or some shit. To explain, like how teachers also do this, right? Yeah. Geography even have joke about this geography teacher like goes in the class. He's like, okay, we're not going to study anything about Africa this year.
00;51;19;06 - 00;51;35;15
Speaker 1
And kids are like, yeah, because, you know, one subject falls down. But he's like, we're not going to send it. And I was like, I sort of I was like, why? And he's like, yeah, because anybody that goes to Africa eventually dies. I'm like, dude, anybody eventually dies. What are you talking about? This makes no sense, right?
00;51;35;17 - 00;51;53;25
Speaker 1
So he's like, okay, I'm going to read through the numbers and then the names, and you get up and you say something about yourself so that I learned the class. Right. And this new teacher, number one, Alexander Guy gets up. I like basketball, I play basketball. Good job. Alex. Nice. Yeah. Second number bullshit there, I like painting.
00;51;53;25 - 00;52;13;24
Speaker 1
Good job Bosco, very nice, very dope. Gets to my number. Number six. Deal. Katanga. Fuck is this stupid name? And I'm like, that's me. And the guy's like, yeah, yeah, sit down. I don't get to say shit about myself. Don't get to.
00;52;13;26 - 00;52;17;00
Speaker 3
Yo. Nothing. What the fuck? Nothing.
00;52;17;02 - 00;52;28;19
Speaker 1
And this dude goes, all right. Deal. After going through all of the numbers, he's like, okay, who do I am? Ask some questions. This is the first day of school, by the way. First day of school coming back after some vacation.
00;52;28;19 - 00;52;29;26
Speaker 2
Well, well, grade. It's like middle school.
00;52;29;27 - 00;52;32;25
Speaker 3
Seventh grade, seventh grade. Yeah. Hell, he's.
00;52;32;25 - 00;52;48;14
Speaker 1
Like, look at. He's like, okay, who do I mean, who do we get on the white board? Number six. Deal. Come to the white board and, let's, what did we learn last year? Isaac? What do we what do you mean.
00;52;48;17 - 00;52;50;10
Speaker 2
In seventh grade? Like, what do you know?
00;52;50;12 - 00;52;52;14
Speaker 3
Where did we where did we laugh? We left off.
00;52;52;14 - 00;52;54;17
Speaker 1
At, like, before summer vacation.
00;52;54;19 - 00;53;07;19
Speaker 3
And I'm like, are you fucking right? The first day after summer, make it. There's no way. And I was honest to the guy, I was like, fuck this. No, I can tell you anything, I, I laughed, I was like, there's no way. Like, this is the first day after summer vacation. This is the second class. I'm barely awake.
00;53;07;19 - 00;53;08;18
Speaker 3
I don't know what the fuck is happening.
00;53;08;24 - 00;53;18;12
Speaker 1
There's no way I'm telling you anything. He's like, so is that your final statement is if it's as if it's caught, right? He's like, is that your final statement? And I'm like, I laughed.
00;53;18;12 - 00;53;20;17
Speaker 3
I was like, yeah, dude, I don't know. He's like, all right.
00;53;20;20 - 00;53;29;20
Speaker 1
Boom, bad mark right away. We didn't even have the books that you put the marks in yet. He put it in his little he had like a little thing. Yeah.
00;53;29;23 - 00;53;31;01
Speaker 3
That's it, that's it.
00;53;31;03 - 00;53;50;20
Speaker 1
He's like because this is before we get our like, you have in Bulgaria, you have like a little book. Right? And for each subject you, you have a marker. It's like a mark book. So they have, all of the lessons and there's like empty spaces if like you have a specialized school to put in your lessons and then you put your grades in there.
00;53;50;20 - 00;54;06;22
Speaker 1
So if you have a two on a test, if you have a two on a verbal, if you have a bow, but right, right two is the lowest score that you can get in Bulgaria. One is for a cheater. But they dropped that before the 90s or something I don't know. So it's from 2 to 6. Six is the best grade, right.
00;54;06;24 - 00;54;17;24
Speaker 1
And you can get like a certain amount of grades in a year. You can get like let's say 50 grades for one lesson, you have like ten slots, for example.
00;54;17;25 - 00;54;22;08
Speaker 2
Oh shit. So you got to make sure they all, yeah. So once you marking really?
00;54;22;10 - 00;54;33;28
Speaker 1
Yeah. It lowers the instantly. This dude is not to that you don't know shit to sit down. You know how many other people he asked nobody day.
00;54;34;03 - 00;54;35;05
Speaker 2
And so it was straight on. Yeah.
00;54;35;05 - 00;54;36;04
Speaker 1
Straight on me.
00;54;36;07 - 00;54;37;04
Speaker 3
Him he was like.
00;54;37;04 - 00;54;48;04
Speaker 1
Now that I. And he's like, okay, now that I know what the level of the class is based off of, our, our friend down here.
00;54;48;06 - 00;54;52;03
Speaker 3
Oh my bad. Dude, if I can play my bro.
00;54;52;03 - 00;54;56;22
Speaker 2
Damn, son, that is crazy. I'm a some use only black dude.
00;54;56;24 - 00;54;57;01
Speaker 3
There's.
00;54;57;01 - 00;54;57;25
Speaker 2
No other black dude.
00;54;57;28 - 00;55;05;29
Speaker 1
Okay? I'm. I'm literally the only black guy in my age in the entirety of Bulgaria.
00;55;06;01 - 00;55;09;17
Speaker 3
There's no other black human in the country that is my age.
00;55;09;17 - 00;55;33;22
Speaker 1
There's there's no right. There's. My friends of mine from the seaside told me that there was, like, some black people that came, but they, like, in, like, black kids were like raised that there that have like similar to my age, like close around my age. But there's like it's African children. They have no like they're not have Bulgarian have this like African family move to Bulgaria, raise a child.
00;55;33;25 - 00;55;36;03
Speaker 1
Right. I'm born.
00;55;36;06 - 00;55;39;23
Speaker 3
Raised. Yeah. There's no other mother.
00;55;39;27 - 00;55;41;03
Speaker 2
You've been language every.
00;55;41;04 - 00;55;49;02
Speaker 1
There's not another human like me where I come from or anywhere else on on the planet, basically.
00;55;49;02 - 00;55;51;11
Speaker 3
Bro, that doesn't exist. So yeah.
00;55;51;11 - 00;55;54;13
Speaker 2
You go through a lot of cultural differences.
00;55;54;17 - 00;55;59;09
Speaker 3
That is insane, right? It was insane. I didn't I didn't register. I was black for.
00;55;59;09 - 00;56;22;21
Speaker 1
A long time. After registering, I was black. I didn't like being black for a long time. Then I had to get used to it. I had to assimilate personalities based off of shit I see on TV, and I didn't like. I couldn't connect with a bunch of friends, you know, I didn't have. I didn't do team sports that much because nobody passes the ball to the black guy.
00;56;22;23 - 00;56;23;18
Speaker 1
You know, it was.
00;56;23;18 - 00;56;25;03
Speaker 3
Way it was so many.
00;56;25;03 - 00;56;27;23
Speaker 1
Things one after another, bro. It was insane.
00;56;27;25 - 00;56;35;04
Speaker 2
That's wild to hear for me as a black person for in basketball it was so crazy. No one pass you the ball as a because you're black.
00;56;35;06 - 00;56;41;23
Speaker 1
Because they know I'm going to fucking do mad shit and they don't want have they don't want to be like.
00;56;41;25 - 00;56;42;26
Speaker 3
Stood up or.
00;56;42;26 - 00;56;46;20
Speaker 1
Like proven, you know, they don't want to see somebody better.
00;56;46;24 - 00;56;47;20
Speaker 3
Yeah.
00;56;47;22 - 00;56;50;14
Speaker 1
It doesn't matter. Like if I was the best or not.
00;56;50;17 - 00;56;51;09
Speaker 3
Right?
00;56;51;11 - 00;56;53;14
Speaker 1
If I was like.
00;56;53;17 - 00;56;54;13
Speaker 3
For.
00;56;54;15 - 00;57;09;29
Speaker 1
My dad always told me also one thing. And this is what has been in my head since forever for anybody to consider you good, you have to be four times better than the best one. And that's the standard that I kept myself to for everything.
00;57;10;02 - 00;57;10;21
Speaker 3
00;57;10;24 - 00;57;20;17
Speaker 1
And that's what I did. Right. For the longest time I had to try to see who the fucking best dude is, see what he's doing, see how much he's training, see how much that the, the.
00;57;20;20 - 00;57;21;28
Speaker 3
Triple dad.
00;57;22;00 - 00;57;31;25
Speaker 1
To get into a team to get into a chance to play for another games, to realize, oh shit, I'm still not getting past the ball. I'm just running back and forth. I'm not going to do this no more.
00;57;31;28 - 00;57;34;19
Speaker 2
Wow. You know, even in basketball.
00;57;34;19 - 00;57;35;20
Speaker 3
And anything.
00;57;35;25 - 00;57;36;13
Speaker 2
Because I mean.
00;57;36;13 - 00;57;39;03
Speaker 1
In anything because I mean basketball, I mean anything.
00;57;39;03 - 00;57;53;02
Speaker 2
Yeah, I mean basketball because it is what it is. I mean, worldwide, that's a most, most people attribute in black people to basketball, to basketball. So for you to not be in any part of the situation, they're bad.
00;57;53;04 - 00;57;54;01
Speaker 1
For a little bit.
00;57;54;04 - 00;58;08;21
Speaker 2
Okay. But even even that being a little bit, that is I guess as a person, I grew up in America. And then now hearing somebody that was only black person because like, that's the stereotype, you guys, a black person living in, in the States, in American like basketball.
00;58;08;21 - 00;58;08;27
Speaker 3
Yeah.
00;58;08;27 - 00;58;12;26
Speaker 2
But like, I mean, to almost to the point where if you don't play basketball, well.
00;58;12;26 - 00;58;14;11
Speaker 3
It's like, oh, weird. It's like like a.
00;58;14;11 - 00;58;15;11
Speaker 1
Black guy that doesn't dance.
00;58;15;11 - 00;58;16;21
Speaker 3
Yeah. It's like it's like.
00;58;16;21 - 00;58;26;16
Speaker 2
Where's that missing gene here? Like, you got black skin. What's going on? You don't know how to dribble. Like, yo bounce. You pass a ball to a black person who know how to dribble. They're like, how do I the the black.
00;58;26;16 - 00;58;29;12
Speaker 3
You know what it's reared. Yeah. What do you mean?
00;58;29;12 - 00;58;45;12
Speaker 2
Like what? What's the hoop? What? What's the hoop? That is for you, stupid. It's for you. You know me. That's what people think. So they hear this in Bulgaria that people would not passing, you know ball bro. He's opposite in America. Some of the passing the ball too much man. Come on dude 360 windmill dunk you.
00;58;45;12 - 00;58;46;09
Speaker 3
But hey Lamar.
00;58;46;10 - 00;58;46;19
Speaker 1
Man.
00;58;46;19 - 00;58;50;05
Speaker 2
Five years old okay I can't even see the rim. Really?
00;58;50;05 - 00;58;51;01
Speaker 3
Actually, that's what.
00;58;51;01 - 00;58;57;20
Speaker 1
Happened to me with rap music. Like they would just approach me and expect me to be able to, like, rap flawlessly.
00;58;57;24 - 00;59;00;15
Speaker 2
Okay, so that's still worldwide. Okay, cool. Yeah.
00;59;00;18 - 00;59;05;12
Speaker 3
Since I was five. Oh, okay. Literally they pull that oh nigga what's up my nigga man.
00;59;05;16 - 00;59;10;08
Speaker 1
Also, no white person there has any fear of saying nigga naw.
00;59;10;08 - 00;59;14;18
Speaker 2
Oh you know Norman, right? Norman told me the same thing that happened to us. Okay, so this is something that bro.
00;59;14;18 - 00;59;15;23
Speaker 3
He's like, oh.
00;59;15;23 - 00;59;27;20
Speaker 1
And they don't like 90% of them. Or like, I don't say 90. Let's say 50 to 45% of them don't mean it in a bad way. You know, they go like, what's up, my nigga?
00;59;27;22 - 00;59;51;12
Speaker 3
Whoa. It's a nigga like, well, you can rap, you can dance. You can probably play basketball. Oh, shit is my wall. Can I take a photo? Oh, okay. On three, one, two, three, nigga. Yeah. It's like like it's it's insane. It's fucking insane. Oh, but they don't mean it with bad.
00;59;51;12 - 00;59;52;29
Speaker 1
It's still fucking crazy.
00;59;53;01 - 00;59;55;20
Speaker 3
So yeah, the first times.
00;59;55;20 - 01;00;12;03
Speaker 1
That I would hear this word, I didn't hear it from a black person and from white people, mostly from white people in my life where this word was being used. Even in church conversation. It was never because there was no black people to use it with. I would I don't use it with my sisters because I didn't. I didn't know we were black.
01;00;12;06 - 01;00;30;12
Speaker 1
Yeah. For that, as I told you, for the longest time. And so when I was a kid and people were like, what's up, nigga was suddenly here. I went to my mom and I was like, yo, they keep calling me this thing, but it's not my name. And I'm like, what? What does this mean? Yeah. And she asked me like, how did they how did they say it to you?
01;00;30;12 - 01;00;47;05
Speaker 1
And I was like, oh what's up nigga? What's up nigga? And my mom said, yeah, they mean African-American because it's known. This is how they know black people. They don't know them that much from Africa, Africa. They know mostly from African American. And so they say like, what's up nigga? WhatsApp nigga? And they made it in a positive way.
01;00;47;05 - 01;00;59;07
Speaker 1
So they think you're African American. And I'm like, but but I'm African. But but I was like, mom, I'm, I'm Bulgarian. I'm if anything I'm African, Bulgarian. And she's like, they don't know you exist.
01;00;59;09 - 01;01;09;21
Speaker 3
Wow. Hey. No, no, such a thing exist. Oh, bro, you don't do a lot of cultural. They have no idea of this. They approach you and they say something in Bulgarian.
01;01;09;21 - 01;01;29;25
Speaker 1
You can respond. They've never seen a child black that can speak Bulgarian. If they see a black child, they assume it's a black family from Africa. On a visit on a something and or like somebody that like is studying in Bulgaria, has an African child and the child is coming to visit, going back to Africa. They don't get what I'm saying.
01;01;29;25 - 01;01;31;12
Speaker 3
Yeah, but I'm bro.
01;01;31;12 - 01;01;37;08
Speaker 2
Because in my mind they there's so many layers that I'm just thinking about what you had to go through. And just like bro idea.
01;01;37;08 - 01;01;37;15
Speaker 3
Yeah.
01;01;37;18 - 01;01;38;26
Speaker 1
That's also had no idea.
01;01;39;00 - 01;01;39;26
Speaker 3
That that.
01;01;39;26 - 01;01;40;14
Speaker 2
Adds another.
01;01;40;14 - 01;01;41;08
Speaker 3
Complexity to a.
01;01;41;08 - 01;01;52;09
Speaker 2
Tool because I'm thinking, you know, I'm saying it as a person. I grew up in a neighborhood where I, you know, I was one out of many black people and then use it growing up in a place where you were the only reference, I mean, reference, I mean.
01;01;52;11 - 01;01;53;24
Speaker 1
Me, my dad and my two sisters.
01;01;53;24 - 01;02;11;20
Speaker 2
Yeah. So and even that reference was like kind of, I guess now I won't say warped, but in the, in the context of a Bulgaria, because you said like it'd be African families coming from Africa then like kind of they're temporary or like, you know, whatever, even the kids and you there as an actual youth born there, you got the, you know, in the hospital.
01;02;11;20 - 01;02;15;11
Speaker 3
You know, claimed I'm not. No. You know. Yeah.
01;02;15;13 - 01;02;21;21
Speaker 2
For real. You were like the rest of everybody. So you having to deal with that even the even people call you nigger like.
01;02;21;23 - 01;02;23;26
Speaker 3
And then the.
01;02;23;27 - 01;02;29;08
Speaker 1
Weird thing is that that was the core point of it. Yeah. Like people not knowing I'm Bulgarian. That was chill.
01;02;29;15 - 01;02;30;08
Speaker 3
01;02;30;10 - 01;02;39;29
Speaker 1
Because it would be excited anxious people knowing I'm Bulgarian. Oh this nigga knows everything that I'm going to tell him.
01;02;40;01 - 01;02;41;21
Speaker 3
You know, it's like oh you.
01;02;41;21 - 01;02;45;00
Speaker 1
He can understand. Yeah. Then it was.
01;02;45;00 - 01;02;45;28
Speaker 3
Stress.
01;02;46;00 - 01;02;46;18
Speaker 2
Interesting.
01;02;46;18 - 01;02;47;17
Speaker 1
Then it was stress.
01;02;47;19 - 01;02;56;03
Speaker 2
What was usually the switch up. You felt like it immediately. As soon you like I guess shown or let a person know they use Bulgarian like to another like I don't I.
01;02;56;03 - 01;03;14;21
Speaker 1
Would, I would like in the beginning because they would ask me like why are you black? I would say that I'm African right. And so they'd be like this would even half and the. Okay. So because my mom told me that like it's African American right. That's that's what it is. Right. So people would come up to me and genuinely because they don't know they don't say African American.
01;03;14;21 - 01;03;24;11
Speaker 1
This wasn't even right. Now. If I would have to say it in Bulgarian it's Afro American. It's. But then nobody says this right.
01;03;24;14 - 01;03;25;11
Speaker 2
Wow.
01;03;25;11 - 01;03;46;02
Speaker 1
So they don't have it as a, as a bad thing. So people would come up to me and be like what are you a nigger. And I'd be like no, I'm African and I would say it in fluent Bulgarian. And instantly their reaction is like, oh.
01;03;46;05 - 01;03;52;06
Speaker 1
African American holds a higher standard then being African or being African, Bulgarian.
01;03;52;08 - 01;03;54;23
Speaker 2
That that is something. Yeah.
01;03;54;23 - 01;03;57;05
Speaker 1
And I also say this on stage sometimes like.
01;03;57;07 - 01;03;58;01
Speaker 3
Yeah, these.
01;03;58;01 - 01;04;15;04
Speaker 1
Thoughts have I needed to understand fully why certain things were happening to me, why I didn't have friends, but this is why I'm saying like these things with the meditations. Right. Sometimes I would go deeply into who I was as a kid and revisit some of these moments, but as with my understanding now.
01;04;15;06 - 01;04;16;03
Speaker 3
Right.
01;04;16;05 - 01;04;41;01
Speaker 2
That's something man. I mean so many layers to this bro. And there's one that you brought up that I think, even in Germany, in Berlin and a lot of places in Europe is the thing of the high, I guess I hierarchy in terms of perception of African American, African and then something else in the mix at the end, like, you know, Bulgarian or whatever, German, you know, whatever, and mixed with African American or African.
01;04;41;03 - 01;04;46;27
Speaker 2
And that was something I felt when I first came here, like, you know, my family's from Liberia. I'm African. Right. Born.
01;04;46;28 - 01;04;47;19
Speaker 3
Liberia.
01;04;47;20 - 01;04;48;12
Speaker 2
Liberia.
01;04;48;15 - 01;04;49;10
Speaker 3
Yes.
01;04;49;12 - 01;04;57;19
Speaker 2
So born there, but family's from, you know, the way I speak now, like, you know, I speak my family. I speak with an accent. But, like, even growing up, I felt that as well.
01;04;57;19 - 01;04;59;16
Speaker 1
And you speak with the English with accent?
01;04;59;16 - 01;05;06;13
Speaker 2
Yeah, if I'm speaking if I'm speaking on my family or African people, it sometimes slips out like that. Even slips out. I just it just happens because that's what.
01;05;06;13 - 01;05;08;01
Speaker 1
It would in African, you mean.
01;05;08;01 - 01;05;17;07
Speaker 2
Yeah. No, it's not that. So English like so like if I speak to my mom or my cousins and stuff is going to be English, that's going to be what an accent like.
01;05;17;07 - 01;05;19;17
Speaker 1
So with an African accent, with an.
01;05;19;17 - 01;05;26;04
Speaker 2
African accent, like a strong one. Like as if it's at a point where my family sometime forgets I was born in America.
01;05;26;06 - 01;05;30;29
Speaker 3
And on your on your family, you switch up and you go with the African.
01;05;31;05 - 01;05;46;21
Speaker 2
Yeah, because that's the way I grew up. Like because I was the first born in the States. So the way I grew up for a while was with a strong African accent. So like knowing that dichotomy because again, I would tell people like, yo, I was born and made it like, no, no, you're not. I'm like, yo bro, I was born in the same hospital as you.
01;05;46;21 - 01;05;47;05
Speaker 2
I know, yeah.
01;05;47;05 - 01;05;47;19
Speaker 1
But you was.
01;05;47;19 - 01;05;52;05
Speaker 3
It. I was born in the same hospital. Yeah, yeah. And and what's he like now?
01;05;52;08 - 01;06;06;03
Speaker 2
And I wish I had that accent. That's Nigerian well known. That's not. But Liberian accent is more like, kind of like singsong. Yeah. A little bit is, like, very distinct. I hate it. I can't even do it because, Yeah. I don't know why, bro. Whenever. Because I guess.
01;06;06;03 - 01;06;09;28
Speaker 1
Sorry. I'm sorry. Also, me asking you to do that accent. Is that offensive?
01;06;10;00 - 01;06;21;10
Speaker 2
No, no, no, it's not offensive. It's like a mental block. I don't even know what like, if it's, it's like. Because growing up with an accent, you realize what that comes with. So then maybe this is a third culture thing.
01;06;21;10 - 01;06;22;13
Speaker 1
So you are like scared of.
01;06;22;20 - 01;06;39;16
Speaker 2
Not even scared. It just adds more complexity than it already. It's adding like for example, it would be like a thing in itself. So like when I was growing up, if I spoke with the accent that now puts me into a bucket and that comes along with its own shit, like, so for example, like again, like I'm like, hey, hey, you want to play basketball?
01;06;39;16 - 01;07;02;23
Speaker 2
And then me speaking an accent become like this whole thing of African and don't you play football and this and that? And for me, I just want play basketball, right? So as more complexity that I don't want to deal with. And again, I'm saying you I'm just saying like in general the source of it, like of where do you start learning where to to to like to not not switch, but you learn how to like set your tone in a certain way to just get through the day.
01;07;02;26 - 01;07;14;21
Speaker 2
Because sometime, bro, I'm talking about like, you know, I'll be I don't know, I'll be in school and I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, hey, what's going on the Bay with all. But yeah, come on. Fufu, yeah, I eat, you know, that and blah blah blah. And they like, you're like, yeah, why are you speaking like that?
01;07;14;22 - 01;07;30;01
Speaker 2
I'll ask you like what if like like like that. Like why why why you say or you say like like LA or something or why you say this only say like, let's go play asylum. I said walkabout is either walkabout or something like that. If I like, it'd be certain things. And then I'm, I'm just trying to go through the day.
01;07;30;05 - 01;07;30;19
Speaker 3
Yeah, yeah.
01;07;30;20 - 01;07;32;06
Speaker 2
Where is like a.
01;07;32;06 - 01;07;35;16
Speaker 3
Oh, so you stop. Wait, what is this? What is that? What is.
01;07;35;18 - 01;07;47;28
Speaker 2
The lineage? What brought you here and this and that, like, look, bro, I want to, yo, I want to play. Yo, I am trying to have this meta, you know what I'm saying? So, this is maybe some me speaking about it in terms of a source of, like.
01;07;47;29 - 01;07;53;22
Speaker 1
No, but you actually absolutely understand what I like. Half of the stuff that I was going through.
01;07;53;24 - 01;07;55;02
Speaker 2
Yeah. So it must be.
01;07;55;02 - 01;07;58;05
Speaker 1
Crazy how many questions like, come after that shit. You know.
01;07;58;07 - 01;08;00;25
Speaker 2
You probably want to do something regular. And it was like, what will.
01;08;00;25 - 01;08;06;23
Speaker 3
You take away? What is this? Why is that? Why do you do this? What is that? What is this? What is that? Where are your parents? What is it? But, Yeah.
01;08;06;23 - 01;08;16;29
Speaker 1
And then the more they know the. Because I thought that they were asking questions because they were excited to get to know me, but they were asking questions to know what an opinion to formulate about me.
01;08;17;01 - 01;08;17;20
Speaker 2
And that's where.
01;08;17;20 - 01;08;21;25
Speaker 1
Regardless of who I am, it was fucking weird, man.
01;08;21;25 - 01;08;22;09
Speaker 3
Yeah.
01;08;22;10 - 01;08;23;08
Speaker 1
Oh, they would come.
01;08;23;12 - 01;08;25;14
Speaker 3
Like, oh my God, whoa.
01;08;25;16 - 01;08;36;01
Speaker 1
And I'll be like, no Bulgarian African. And they instantly go like, because Africans and Bulgarians head are like still like Bushman.
01;08;36;04 - 01;08;38;14
Speaker 2
I would assume so.
01;08;38;17 - 01;08;55;03
Speaker 1
In some like I don't, I don't mean all but like that's how it was like me. It was a portrayal. Yeah, yeah. So they go like wait, so a Bulgarian woman slept with some guy from the bush and made.
01;08;55;03 - 01;08;56;20
Speaker 3
You.
01;08;56;22 - 01;09;01;29
Speaker 2
Look at that, and you probably just want to play outside. Now they question your mom's decision and your dad's decision. You know what I mean?
01;09;02;03 - 01;09;23;24
Speaker 1
Yeah. And all of this comes into play in like 15 seconds in their eyes, in the way that they speak to me, the way that they approach me to the way that they leave the conversation and all of the shit was just like left, right, left, right, left, right, left, right, left, right, left, right, left, right. And at one point I got kind of bored of it and I didn't have like, a bunch of homies no more.
01;09;23;26 - 01;09;43;24
Speaker 1
And then I would like either react sharp and quick to certain things or I had a temper at one point because of course, the system, like, started like getting really heavily built against me somehow. And then I was like, dude, there's no way, because I tried to be every character that you can imagine to be just to try and fit in.
01;09;44;01 - 01;10;03;25
Speaker 1
And it never worked. So I was like, dude, if I tried to be someone else, it doesn't work. It like I don't fit in. If I try to be myself, I don't fit in. Might as well just be myself, you know? And then I started searching for what that is. Yeah. Regardless of how I'm perceived, conveyed what somebody might think, somebody might.
01;10;03;27 - 01;10;11;02
Speaker 1
I was like, this matters not because I tried to do your game and it didn't work. You know, I tried everything.
01;10;11;02 - 01;10;12;22
Speaker 3
I tried everything, bro.
01;10;12;24 - 01;10;21;11
Speaker 1
Every fucking thing. Anything you can imagine. I've tried. I've gotten really good at. And they did not allow me.
01;10;21;13 - 01;10;24;20
Speaker 3
Anything like music, art.
01;10;24;20 - 01;10;36;09
Speaker 1
Painting, drawing, skateboarding, football, basketball, baseball, did the shit with radical this, with scouts.
01;10;36;11 - 01;10;41;23
Speaker 3
Bro, whatever you can imagine. They're like, yeah, it was just not happening.
01;10;42;00 - 01;10;51;25
Speaker 1
They weren't having it even like friends of mine that I thought were my friends. They had like moments which were fucking trash. And I was like, I thought you were my fucking friend, man.
01;10;51;28 - 01;10;53;22
Speaker 3
So many fucking times.
01;10;53;24 - 01;10;54;17
Speaker 2
A be.
01;10;54;17 - 01;10;57;25
Speaker 3
Like that, yo. And at one point you're like, dude.
01;10;57;28 - 01;11;16;22
Speaker 1
Nuh, I'm going to Zenon figure out what needs to be done, figure out what the signals have come to me that I can let out, and I'm going to. That's why I was asking you from the beginning, like, I'm going to stop trying to fit it to this thing, and then tried to fit it because it never worked.
01;11;16;24 - 01;11;32;10
Speaker 1
The game never played for me. They say like, don't hate the player, hate the game. Right. And I was like, I'm not going to hate the player and I'm not going to hate the game because the player likes playing the game and the game likes being played. I'm just not going to play the game.
01;11;32;13 - 01;11;34;08
Speaker 2
That's some real shit.
01;11;34;10 - 01;11;35;20
Speaker 1
I'm not going to play the game.
01;11;35;22 - 01;11;51;05
Speaker 2
That right there, bro, because I feel you on that. Like deeply because that's some shit I had to go through as well. And I feel like a lot of people, obviously a lot of people third like third culture, people that from different cultures like that because you get you trying to fit in because like, you know, she gets egregious, bro.
01;11;51;05 - 01;11;52;18
Speaker 2
Like because it's every day, right.
01;11;52;18 - 01;11;53;25
Speaker 3
Like this is okay.
01;11;53;27 - 01;12;10;15
Speaker 2
Because you you try to do regular shit and then it shouldn't be happening. Like, yo, what are we talking about? Yeah, I'm just trying to go down the street. Anybody? Yo, what is happen? Or you said in class. Oh, Dale, this is an apple. You be like, yo, I, I, I, I even asked to be in school. I have to be here per curriculum, bro.
01;12;10;15 - 01;12;32;18
Speaker 1
I switched five schools. I switched five schools in my school career because of racist teachers, racist kids, fights, stabbings, all types of crazy that like, okay, I'll tell you one crazy story. Yeah. And I'll tell you about this geography teacher and how my dad taught me some really dope ass lessons about some shit.
01;12;32;19 - 01;12;36;05
Speaker 3
Said, okay, so the.
01;12;36;07 - 01;13;02;01
Speaker 1
I'll start with the bad one. When I was in fifth grade, also, it was like a cool thing where, like, I would go into school, like, after the second school that I switched, I could, I had like a month or two of nobody bothering me because they would hear some stories because, like, I was the only black kid, so the schools would talk, right?
01;13;02;03 - 01;13;26;17
Speaker 1
And and it would be like, oh, some black kid was expelled from, like, the previous school for like, kicking a girl in the face or something that I don't know. Right. And then they see a black kid come into their school, and it's the only. So they know that the story is about me. Oh. So there was like, this really racist girl when I was like in fourth grade, and she was like, constantly picking on me, doing some bad shit.
01;13;26;17 - 01;13;43;28
Speaker 1
I kicked in the face and then I left the school. Also in the same, in the same school, there was a teacher that said that black people were created only, and I know there was this and that. She told my sister that my mom was a black whore in front of every the whole like, class, and that I did it.
01;13;44;01 - 01;14;03;02
Speaker 1
So my mom fired this teacher. And then I went into the same school, and I left because there was another teacher that was doing the same shit, but to me. So we fired him and my mom was like, fuck this, we're just going to move the school, so move the school. Also, during this whole time, because the teachers were like this to me, the kids felt like they could do anything to me and it doesn't matter.
01;14;03;04 - 01;14;32;27
Speaker 1
And they did everything to me and it didn't matter because I would complain to the to the crying, complain to the teacher. Teachers like, don't hide behind alligator tears. There's nothing you can do. No, there's nothing you can do. So I was like, okay, never mind me move schools. Yeah. Move school. And so for a couple months, as I said, five schools right after moving like 1 or 2 schools at certain points, I knew I had like 2 or 3 months where my reputation would come before me to the school.
01;14;32;29 - 01;14;41;03
Speaker 1
And then I had, as I said, 2 or 3 months of me being in school and not being bothered by nobody. Oh shit. Is the school that he moved, what.
01;14;41;03 - 01;14;42;18
Speaker 3
Is he about to do. What is.
01;14;42;20 - 01;14;46;24
Speaker 1
What type of person is he. What is he dangerous. Is he. So which is.
01;14;46;27 - 01;14;50;15
Speaker 2
Oh so they tracking you like they, they just watch you. They know. But he's watching you.
01;14;50;17 - 01;15;00;21
Speaker 1
So they don't do shit, right? Yeah. Anyway, the all of this falls apart around this time of year where I give a Valentine's Day card, and it's the most beautiful creation a human being has seen that.
01;15;00;21 - 01;15;01;16
Speaker 3
Has flowers.
01;15;01;16 - 01;15;02;25
Speaker 1
Petals. You open it.
01;15;03;01 - 01;15;08;23
Speaker 3
Stuff flies out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was bro, I.
01;15;08;23 - 01;15;27;12
Speaker 1
Was geeking out. I could do like these little things with like, tiny spring from, from a clip and. Oh, shit. Then you cut the string in two and you can, like, press it with, like, if you fold origami papers, like, you can make little bubbles. Yeah. And you can make it so that you can put a bunch of, like, petals or whatever.
01;15;27;14 - 01;15;30;11
Speaker 1
And when you open the box, it, like, just flings the thing in different.
01;15;30;17 - 01;15;36;03
Speaker 2
Oh, bro. That's actually. Yeah, that's what I was. Yes, I know what was going to be but I is very.
01;15;36;05 - 01;15;40;19
Speaker 3
Oh do crazy Valentine's day gift is very good because I would just fall in love.
01;15;40;19 - 01;15;54;24
Speaker 1
And be like, oh lovely. And I can paint. I can do all of the other shit with my hands. So I'm like, let me make some beautiful shit. So around this time of year, because right now it's February 14th, I would give a Valentine's Day card to a girl, and my whole appearance of being dangerous would fall apart.
01;15;54;26 - 01;15;55;14
Speaker 3
01;15;55;17 - 01;15;58;22
Speaker 1
And then they would start fucking with me from this point on, right? Yeah. In any school.
01;15;58;22 - 01;15;59;11
Speaker 3
Of tulips.
01;15;59;12 - 01;16;08;14
Speaker 1
Pretty much the same year school year starts, they don't really fuck with me. February does something. If a girl is cute, I would give a vintage that good. And all of this would be nobody.
01;16;08;14 - 01;16;09;10
Speaker 2
But nobody is stopping.
01;16;09;10 - 01;16;11;21
Speaker 3
Given the Valentine's Day night just happen.
01;16;11;21 - 01;16;14;06
Speaker 1
And man, they slap a bitch in the face and she's like, I love you.
01;16;14;09 - 01;16;18;25
Speaker 2
It's stand here, by.
01;16;18;27 - 01;16;24;19
Speaker 3
I'm playing this. I really don't have it. It I get it. We don't condone it, okay? Hell no violence. Please. But I'm giving.
01;16;24;19 - 01;16;29;26
Speaker 1
This Valentine's Day card to this girl in this new school, fifth grade. She slaps the shit out of me.
01;16;29;26 - 01;16;35;13
Speaker 3
Bam! The shit out of me. You with the back of it, bro.
01;16;35;13 - 01;16;38;17
Speaker 1
You could hear it in the. It was in the hallway, right?
01;16;38;17 - 01;16;41;14
Speaker 2
Yeah. It was a front in or back here.
01;16;41;16 - 01;16;42;19
Speaker 3
I don't hang.
01;16;42;19 - 01;16;47;03
Speaker 2
On. I go like the back. The back end would have been that that is, that, I.
01;16;47;03 - 01;16;50;22
Speaker 1
Don't know, but you. Could I give her a Valentine's Day? I get slapped in the face.
01;16;50;22 - 01;16;51;29
Speaker 3
Yeah. Heavy.
01;16;52;01 - 01;17;23;06
Speaker 1
Oh, what the fuck? And she's like, how dare you? Black piece of shit. Think you can come here in front of these people and think you can give me a Valentine's Day card? I was like, Holy fuck, I didn't know her whole family is mega racist. And her brothers are legit skinheads. Legit skinheads for the rest of the year, every single day after school, before school, I have to jet ski.
01;17;23;09 - 01;17;43;29
Speaker 1
I have to go so inhumanly fast running to the bus, I will time how much it needs, how much I need. Because the day that I give it the Valentine's Day card right after, like school ends and I walk outside and there's a group of six skinheads waiting for me, and she comes out and she's like, it's him.
01;17;44;02 - 01;17;56;15
Speaker 1
That's her brother's. Yo, I run, right, I run, run, run, run super fast. I see them behind the throwing stones. They have knives. They have whatever you. It's skinheads and it's Eastern Europe.
01;17;56;21 - 01;17;58;05
Speaker 2
They sort of really going to try to kill you.
01;17;58;05 - 01;18;23;26
Speaker 1
I'm dying here. So I run to the bus. I get into the bus, like last second. I'm like, you'll keep going. Please keep going. Please keep going. They, hitting the windows, breaking when I'm like, bro, please keep going. If you don't keep going, I'm going to die. The bus driver keeps going right. And I timed exactly when I get from the bus, from the front of the bus, like on the bus station to the school.
01;18;23;29 - 01;18;45;09
Speaker 1
And from the school to the bus station. How long I need? I checked all of the busses when they come, when they leave, when they come, when they leave. And so I would stay in the school and see exactly when I would have four minutes to run into the bus as the doors are closing so that the doors can close and nobody can follow me for an entire year.
01;18;45;12 - 01;18;56;06
Speaker 1
I do this every single day. I run from the bus to the school. They chased me. Everyone from the school to the bus. They chased me. This is every day.
01;18;56;09 - 01;18;57;09
Speaker 3
Wow, bro.
01;18;57;09 - 01;19;12;23
Speaker 1
Some of these times they catch me, I fight, I escape, run, catch me, fight, escape, run. It was really close multiple times. And after this I leave the school. Because it was.
01;19;12;25 - 01;19;14;00
Speaker 3
It was too insane.
01;19;14;02 - 01;19;17;08
Speaker 2
Yeah, I mean, every day for a year. Bro. That is. That is crazy.
01;19;17;08 - 01;19;48;25
Speaker 1
So I leave the school. Yeah. Two months after I have left the school, noose breaks out. Three kids murdered, chopped up, put in bags behind the school. It's the same school that I was in. Mug shots show up. It's the same people that were chasing me. So they killed the only three other Roma students in the school. They cut them up into pieces and they put them into bags, and they hung them behind the fucking school on a tree.
01;19;48;25 - 01;19;51;14
Speaker 1
This is. I'm not. I don't need to lie, but just.
01;19;51;16 - 01;19;52;00
Speaker 2
You know.
01;19;52;00 - 01;19;55;10
Speaker 3
Right. So I was.
01;19;55;12 - 01;20;26;19
Speaker 1
Every day of school, I was like a hair from die. Every single fucking day for an entire year. Bro, that's not where it ends. This shit keeps happening, dude. The schools that I move to, fights break out. Skinheads still come in. Crazy shit happens. There was, like, fifth graders. I was like, because I moved there. Fifth grade move.
01;20;26;20 - 01;20;47;23
Speaker 1
So now I'm in sixth grade. New school. The whole should start over again. Completely different way. The fifth graders were kicking a girl from my class. This is midway through the year, and I'm still collecting my books in my bag. That at the end of the school day, two girls run into the classroom. What the hell? They're kicking here.
01;20;47;23 - 01;20;55;17
Speaker 1
The only boy here, they're kicking downstairs. They were to look out the window. I see what's happening. Run downstairs. What the fuck are you doing, bro? Why are you.
01;20;55;17 - 01;20;56;27
Speaker 3
Kicking a girl?
01;20;56;29 - 01;21;08;23
Speaker 1
I pick her up. I'm like. Like, put it behind me and I'm like, push. All the dudes like to be in front of the five fifth graders. Six fifth graders? Yeah. Nothing crazy. I fight with people every day.
01;21;08;25 - 01;21;10;10
Speaker 3
I got you right.
01;21;10;13 - 01;21;18;06
Speaker 1
Protect the little girl like bro. What the fuck you want, bro? You want to fight somebody? You want to fight? Fight me. Come on. If you're going to kick somebody, kick me. You want to kick someone?
01;21;18;06 - 01;21;21;01
Speaker 3
Let's do this right. Bro.
01;21;21;04 - 01;21;25;18
Speaker 1
What are you trying to be a hero like? Would you try? I was like, bro, you're kicking a.
01;21;25;18 - 01;21;30;29
Speaker 3
Girl. Is, Let's get it, dude. Let's get it right now. Yeah, right.
01;21;31;01 - 01;21;44;05
Speaker 1
Nobody does anything. Nobody does anything. One guy fake tries to kick the instantly grab his leg because he was like. Like trying to low kick like the, fuck out of here. Grab this leg, pull them on the ground.
01;21;44;08 - 01;21;45;12
Speaker 3
Two.
01;21;45;15 - 01;22;09;15
Speaker 1
All of the other ones start fighting. Right. It's a little brawl. Yeah. Two, three people. I take down the other ones. Kick my ass. That's all that took three people taken down. Girl is protected. This is not going to happen again. Usually what would happen if it would be fights with groups of people. If you take down 1 or 2 people the next time this group doesn't fuck, which they kind of know, like, okay, we don't want like another to being taken down.
01;22;09;20 - 01;22;12;25
Speaker 3
Yeah. Right.
01;22;12;28 - 01;22;40;24
Speaker 1
And so what happens is like a week passes and these dudes, older brothers directly on recess, storm into the classroom the moment the teacher leaves the classroom, it's six, five dudes that were 18, 20, stormed the classroom. I've told my dad about this fight. I got a weapon now. I got nunchucks.
01;22;40;26 - 01;22;41;26
Speaker 3
Nunchucks? Okay.
01;22;41;29 - 01;23;01;23
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah, I used to do karate with my dad, like at home, really stable. And then I did karate, like, really heavily with the trainers, and it doesn't matter. Wow. Some guy needed something. Pipe. You can't, like, put a full pipe. A gun is too much. But like, nunchucks are like this long and they're two sticks, so they fit in any backpack.
01;23;01;25 - 01;23;02;20
Speaker 3
01;23;02;22 - 01;23;07;26
Speaker 1
Take out the nunchucks. I'm not super proficient, but I will fucking slap the shit out of your hand.
01;23;07;29 - 01;23;09;22
Speaker 3
Yeah. You know, like I'll smack.
01;23;09;22 - 01;23;13;24
Speaker 1
The shit out your wrists man. I'll break your wrists. I've broken wrists with nunchucks.
01;23;14;00 - 01;23;18;01
Speaker 3
Oh like if I don't hit the head or something.
01;23;18;01 - 01;23;22;05
Speaker 1
But I will go for your knees, for your shins and for your wrists. Like a motherfucker, bro, I don't care.
01;23;22;05 - 01;23;23;15
Speaker 2
So you really good at them?
01;23;23;18 - 01;23;24;17
Speaker 1
Not super good, but.
01;23;24;17 - 01;23;27;21
Speaker 2
Like to break somebody's wrist. There's some precision, bro.
01;23;27;24 - 01;23;29;06
Speaker 3
Just do what you do.
01;23;29;06 - 01;23;29;21
Speaker 1
You don't need.
01;23;29;21 - 01;23;34;18
Speaker 2
To. Yeah, if I don't, I'm breaking my own wrist.
01;23;34;21 - 01;23;49;11
Speaker 3
So I it's still a snap back and it's broke my own body. No. Well, something like that. Like showing me how to swing it around and not hit myself. This arrow. Okay. The is really nothing crazy.
01;23;49;11 - 01;23;52;15
Speaker 1
You don't. I don't imagine, like Bruce Lee going right.
01;23;52;18 - 01;23;54;19
Speaker 2
I just even did the pose you had.
01;23;54;25 - 01;23;56;02
Speaker 3
I just know the web.
01;23;56;02 - 01;24;01;12
Speaker 1
And you can bring it back and you can like if it swings heavy, you can go one time here, one time here, and then you can bring it back.
01;24;01;19 - 01;24;02;10
Speaker 3
You, Yeah.
01;24;02;16 - 01;24;29;06
Speaker 1
It doesn't matter. So I'm slinging. I'm ready. Right. Six dudes. Right? They see me with the nunchucks. I swing at one of the guys he like, stops, keeps his distance. But the other dudes went after every single other boy in the class. So for ten minutes, they're obliterating everybody in the class. These 20 year old dudes obliterating sixth graders.
01;24;29;09 - 01;24;32;18
Speaker 1
And I mean obliterate, like, blood, noses.
01;24;32;20 - 01;24;35;28
Speaker 3
Shit, his teeth like insane shit.
01;24;36;00 - 01;24;49;24
Speaker 1
Arms broken, crazy stuff. They leave the whole place. I'm the only one left that hasn't been touched. My entire class of boys is destroyed.
01;24;49;27 - 01;24;54;10
Speaker 1
Teacher comes in. What happened? The brothers.
01;24;54;10 - 01;24;55;13
Speaker 3
Of the theater.
01;24;55;16 - 01;25;03;07
Speaker 1
That came in. Why did they come to it? Because they'll beat up their brothers.
01;25;03;10 - 01;25;05;17
Speaker 2
So then he pinned that all you that teacher?
01;25;05;20 - 01;25;10;17
Speaker 1
No, no, not the teacher. The kid said this.
01;25;10;19 - 01;25;38;10
Speaker 1
Because deal fights the brothers they came to from the fifth grade. Their older brothers came to beat us up. Now. And I'm like, I went to the to defend the. Deal gets detention. After deal gets detention. There's no body in the class. That's my friend anymore. The dudes that got beat up, they don't know what the fuck is happening.
01;25;38;10 - 01;26;01;19
Speaker 1
They just started getting beat on. Right. They hear that it's my fault. The moment that they're repaired and they're like healed. I don't need to worry about any bullies. It's my classmates that hate me and they want to do everything that has been done to them tenfold. To me. So now I have to fight every day.
01;26;01;21 - 01;26;02;05
Speaker 3
With my.
01;26;02;05 - 01;26;08;04
Speaker 1
Classmates. This runs for one year and I move the school again.
01;26;08;04 - 01;26;13;08
Speaker 3
Yeah, I have this that happen all the time.
01;26;13;08 - 01;26;15;04
Speaker 2
And that's happening every.
01;26;15;06 - 01;26;17;27
Speaker 3
Every place that I go every year, either.
01;26;17;27 - 01;26;20;21
Speaker 1
From a teacher, either from a school, some guy from.
01;26;20;21 - 01;26;21;25
Speaker 3
Outside. Right?
01;26;21;26 - 01;26;27;16
Speaker 1
For no reason, for some reason. Maybe I fight somebody at some point. I got pissed too, man. They got a nigga.
01;26;27;16 - 01;26;30;23
Speaker 3
This nigga that is goal time. Yeah, he done.
01;26;30;23 - 01;26;31;20
Speaker 2
That is going to develop.
01;26;31;20 - 01;26;35;02
Speaker 3
Anger. Dude. It's I was done. Do that one fight. Yeah. Monkey.
01;26;35;02 - 01;26;42;02
Speaker 1
This monkey then monkey this one that. I'll show you some monkey strength right now, bro. Yeah. You know, I would go to town like.
01;26;42;04 - 01;26;42;15
Speaker 3
All right.
01;26;42;16 - 01;26;43;07
Speaker 1
Very often.
01;26;43;07 - 01;26;44;15
Speaker 3
Like it would be.
01;26;44;17 - 01;27;11;02
Speaker 1
I told you, like, my dad was like, bro, they beat you up too much and I was complaining. That's why we did the karate shit. When I say, like, on stage, like it didn't work at all. Just kick the girl in the face. Like everything that I say on stage also is truth. I see a bunch of dudes like, pull up and be able to like create a scenario and make that fun or like an observation from the world and make that I have like and this I'm telling you bad stories but I have a.
01;27;11;02 - 01;27;11;27
Speaker 3
Slew of.
01;27;11;27 - 01;27;34;14
Speaker 1
Beautiful ones. So my dad right fighting said last thing I'll go to because I told you I'll go back to this, I'll tell you the bad stuff first. I'll tell you something. Yeah, yeah. So my dad is like, all right, the teacher from geography, when anybody cheats, he puts you on the whiteboard and he makes you read out of the cheat sheet the guy that was like, what the fuck is this name?
01;27;34;17 - 01;27;54;18
Speaker 1
And he makes you read out the cheat sheet. And then if anybody else had something that you have on your cheat sheet, they have to scratch it off. He roasts you for being stupid, incompetent, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. How dare you be so dumb to have a cheat sheet? This is not a hard test that I did it to humiliate the person, give him a bad point and then, you know, leave him.
01;27;54;20 - 01;28;13;04
Speaker 1
But when everybody would have to scratch off anything that he has in the cheat sheet. So the kids would hate you, too, for having a cheat sheet in class. Because if they studied them, they put something down that's on your cheat sheet. Now, they can't get a point for the shit that they studied. Bam. Yeah.
01;28;13;07 - 01;28;15;12
Speaker 3
So they. Yeah, yeah.
01;28;15;19 - 01;28;31;15
Speaker 1
And I'm like, bro, this guy's an asshole. I tell this to my dad, like how he humiliated, like, two, three kids in front of the, you know, how is fucking garbage. My dad is like, this is what we do. And I hated geography for this. I was like, I don't want to do this at all. And my dad is like, no, no, we study now.
01;28;31;18 - 01;28;50;18
Speaker 1
I like, I don't want to do this. I hate this teacher. He's like, no, we study to fuck this guy over. I like what you mean. He's like, we're going to write a cheat sheet. You tell me what you think about this guy, and I tell them that it looks like this. Look like this. We figure out some shit to some roasts, basically.
01;28;50;20 - 01;29;05;24
Speaker 1
Yeah. Now I can call him roast because I do roasts and I can, you know, basically roasts this guy. You don't. You're a miserable human being. You don't make your wife come. Probably the other day you said you're smelly. Is this why you hate children? The the the the the. This is not how you behave in, you know.
01;29;05;29 - 01;29;12;06
Speaker 1
Yeah. Long shit. I studied the fuck out of this test with my dad. I know.
01;29;12;06 - 01;29;15;05
Speaker 3
Everything, I know the book back and forth.
01;29;15;07 - 01;29;35;12
Speaker 1
And this is why I love my dad and my mom. If I ever had a question, they come to me and they explain it to me. They give me the answer directly in the way that I understand it. They don't just give me the answer, they give me the answer the way that I can understand it. So if I'm skateboarding and they want to explain to me something about learning, it's like you do a kickflip or you, you know, when you do this or that, that's how they.
01;29;35;18 - 01;29;36;08
Speaker 3
Should.
01;29;36;11 - 01;29;41;24
Speaker 1
Beautiful parents. I love them to death once again. So we learn I learn everything.
01;29;41;24 - 01;29;42;04
Speaker 3
I go.
01;29;42;04 - 01;29;45;20
Speaker 1
To this test, but I gotta teach two cheetahs roasts.
01;29;45;23 - 01;29;48;08
Speaker 3
I'm sitting there, right.
01;29;48;11 - 01;30;07;01
Speaker 1
I'm waiting. I'm writing my test. Right. My test. I see that the guy's looking at me. I look at the cheat sheet, put it back in and write something else. And it was like, yo, yeah, he's super hyped because he's the racist. He's like, yes, you come to the stage, come to the white board right now, you have to read what your cheat sheet is, read your cheat sheet, you have to read your, in front of everybody.
01;30;07;01 - 01;30;10;22
Speaker 1
And I'm like, do we have to do this, teacher, please? Like I don't I didn't mean you.
01;30;10;24 - 01;30;12;10
Speaker 3
Do you come to the white board.
01;30;12;13 - 01;30;19;23
Speaker 1
And go to the white board. Do we really have to do this? Yes. It's like you're a fat piece of shit. You don't make your wife come. You're better than that.
01;30;19;29 - 01;30;22;05
Speaker 3
Like, what is this? You didn't, midway through that.
01;30;22;05 - 01;30;24;01
Speaker 1
He's like, everybody's laughing already, right?
01;30;24;01 - 01;30;27;05
Speaker 3
It's like, what are you doing? This is what is, give.
01;30;27;05 - 01;30;31;08
Speaker 1
Me a cheat sheet. He gets the cheat sheet. He starts reading it out loud. You're a fat piece of shit.
01;30;31;08 - 01;30;35;10
Speaker 3
And midway through here. Oh, what the fuck? Principal's office. Right.
01;30;35;12 - 01;30;45;18
Speaker 1
Go to the principal's office. Obviously. Problems for the next times that I had geography, I never had a bad grade ever again.
01;30;45;21 - 01;30;46;16
Speaker 2
Wow.
01;30;46;19 - 01;30;55;19
Speaker 1
I never studied for any test, but every time that I would have a cheat sheet, I would just look him in the eyes. He didn't have the courage to bring me up on stage.
01;30;55;19 - 01;30;59;13
Speaker 3
Again because I would roast them, probably again, to roast.
01;30;59;13 - 01;31;00;04
Speaker 2
The you way to an.
01;31;00;04 - 01;31;10;28
Speaker 3
A-plus. That is basically the. He was a comedian. He got traded in school for that. The dude did not want to bring me back on stage. I would cheat.
01;31;11;03 - 01;31;14;02
Speaker 1
Every single time. Every single time. I'm cheating. I don't give a shit.
01;31;14;02 - 01;31;20;09
Speaker 3
Yeah, but I know that he's not going to bring it because I'm still going to have more shit, bro. I was way, you know, the heat.
01;31;20;09 - 01;31;25;12
Speaker 2
But I look at him in his eye probably as you're seeing like, yeah, you see me, right? Like then that's.
01;31;25;15 - 01;31;28;14
Speaker 3
You want to bring me up again? You know? Yeah. He's like, no no no no no.
01;31;28;17 - 01;31;30;20
Speaker 2
I don't know. I say no but I say no Bulgarian.
01;31;30;22 - 01;31;31;09
Speaker 3
Nah.
01;31;31;11 - 01;31;36;24
Speaker 1
But he wasn't like he would just like see me and be like, you know, and like keep looking down and.
01;31;37;00 - 01;31;38;08
Speaker 3
Yeah.
01;31;38;11 - 01;31;39;17
Speaker 1
Because he doesn't know, like, is.
01;31;39;17 - 01;31;40;29
Speaker 3
This actually a cheat sheet or. Yeah.
01;31;40;29 - 01;31;45;29
Speaker 2
You don't want to gamble with that because, you know, sound like some of those things on a cheat. Cheat was true.
01;31;46;02 - 01;31;47;05
Speaker 3
Yeah. And he really.
01;31;47;05 - 01;32;01;11
Speaker 1
Didn't like because that was like reading it out loud. Kids were like laughing heavy. And because I explained his character to my dad, my dad knew the type of person he was.
01;32;01;11 - 01;32;03;18
Speaker 2
I was as hitting him raw, like.
01;32;03;23 - 01;32;28;01
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah. I explained his whole character to my dad, right? And my dad is like, okay, this is that type, but my dad is into bomb. But genius. Both my mom and my dad. Geniuses. I can't tell the broad, I haven't seen anybody with, either my mom or my dad with their like, capacity of, like, calculating or putting things together, like.
01;32;28;03 - 01;32;33;09
Speaker 3
Bro, it's mind boggling. But my dad speaks, like, in 13 languages or 16 or some shit.
01;32;33;12 - 01;32;38;23
Speaker 1
When he grew up, he spoke six, from the bat, like for off the bat, he spoke six languages.
01;32;38;23 - 01;32;39;17
Speaker 2
Okay. He's in Congo.
01;32;39;17 - 01;32;42;03
Speaker 1
Because of Congo. Yeah, like the different dialects and.
01;32;42;05 - 01;32;42;21
Speaker 2
All that stuff.
01;32;42;21 - 01;32;49;23
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah, he spoke Swahili. Chiluba. Lingala, Key Congo and French.
01;32;49;25 - 01;32;53;04
Speaker 3
Oh, off the bat. Wow.
01;32;53;06 - 01;33;01;01
Speaker 1
And then he learned English. He learned Bulgarian. He learned, Greek. He learned Arabic. He was a fucking business consultant. And one point, bro.
01;33;01;01 - 01;33;06;05
Speaker 3
G shit like that is a mega genius. I don't think that's crazy, but that is a fucking.
01;33;06;05 - 01;33;18;21
Speaker 1
Turbo G, bro. Like straight up. I really love my dad, love my dad, love my mom. Really heavy bro. My mom gave me everything that is like, it's super fun to be yourself. And my dad taught me how to learn.
01;33;18;23 - 01;33;21;13
Speaker 2
So you had those two things combined and then he made it like a.
01;33;21;15 - 01;33;22;10
Speaker 3
Yeah.
01;33;22;13 - 01;33;33;24
Speaker 1
And now I know how to learn. And that's the most important thing. It doesn't matter what you learn if you know how to learn and how you yourself learn things bruh.
01;33;33;26 - 01;33;35;18
Speaker 3
Let's go. Yeah.
01;33;35;24 - 01;33;41;07
Speaker 2
That is a that was a big on that. For real. When it comes to like learning how to learn, you know, not just memorizing but just knowing.
01;33;41;07 - 01;33;53;25
Speaker 1
Like knowing how it's going to genuinely like be a part of me, how I'm going to understand this knowledge, how I'm going, how it's going to soak in. Right. Not just be like on the surface. And then I pass the test and it flies off right away. Yeah. You know, like I.
01;33;53;28 - 01;33;55;21
Speaker 3
Suck it in, you know, like, right.
01;33;55;23 - 01;33;56;11
Speaker 1
I know how to.
01;33;56;14 - 01;33;58;27
Speaker 3
Suck the shit in. Yeah. Just.
01;33;59;00 - 01;34;04;10
Speaker 1
Yeah. If it's like something that I would really want to learn and, like, be a part of, like, I really geek out on it.
01;34;04;13 - 01;34;16;26
Speaker 2
Yeah. Damn. Yo, bro. Bro, just. I mean, just touching. Based on the stories you shared, bro, about you growing up in Bulgaria. I mean, that is like a third culture kid experience, like a different level, you know, because.
01;34;16;26 - 01;34;19;20
Speaker 3
Of a third culture and a third culture and a third culture. Right.
01;34;19;20 - 01;34;24;22
Speaker 2
In Bulgaria though, like, you know, I mean, that's a different type of, like situation there.
01;34;24;22 - 01;34;25;19
Speaker 3
And I.
01;34;25;21 - 01;34;33;07
Speaker 1
Also, don't get me wrong, like I say, a lot of, like racist bad stories about it, but it's it's really the most beautiful place.
01;34;33;07 - 01;34;34;16
Speaker 3
Ever.
01;34;34;18 - 01;34;45;02
Speaker 1
Energy, food, nature. Like, it doesn't. It's like,
01;34;45;05 - 01;34;48;25
Speaker 1
Like, you know, like the fucking, futons, for example.
01;34;48;28 - 01;34;50;24
Speaker 2
Like a, like a couch or something.
01;34;50;26 - 01;34;53;08
Speaker 1
Yeah. Another futon, like, no no.
01;34;53;13 - 01;34;54;05
Speaker 2
No.
01;34;54;07 - 01;34;57;17
Speaker 3
No no no, beanbag chair. Yeah.
01;34;57;19 - 01;34;58;07
Speaker 1
I want to say okay.
01;34;58;07 - 01;35;03;26
Speaker 3
Imagine like a really huge beanbag chair. Yeah. Like really, really like a whole room.
01;35;03;28 - 01;35;10;18
Speaker 1
Gigantic beanbag chair. And it's softly warm. That's how it feels.
01;35;10;21 - 01;35;11;14
Speaker 3
01;35;11;16 - 01;35;24;10
Speaker 1
That's how Bulgaria feels like. It's just. Yeah. Softly warm, beautiful immaculate comfort. Like you just look around and it's it's so nice bro. It's so blue.
01;35;24;10 - 01;35;25;28
Speaker 3
And to do wow the.
01;35;25;28 - 01;35;28;07
Speaker 1
Anthem is so I can say I love the anthem.
01;35;28;08 - 01;35;28;24
Speaker 3
Yeah.
01;35;28;27 - 01;35;45;15
Speaker 1
It's strange to say like, so much like proud Bulgaria stuff when, like, so much like, bad stuff has happened to me from Bulgaria. But it's not necessarily because of Bulgaria itself is because just people, you know. Right. And the good people from there are remarkable.
01;35;45;17 - 01;35;46;17
Speaker 3
01;35;46;20 - 01;35;49;10
Speaker 1
Genuinely remarkable human beings.
01;35;49;12 - 01;35;59;00
Speaker 2
Have you like, do you think back at those times and like, I don't know, forgive any of those like people that did not forgive but like, I don't know, like.
01;35;59;02 - 01;36;00;17
Speaker 3
Oh, no, 100%.
01;36;00;20 - 01;36;15;24
Speaker 2
Because I feel like, you know, being in those situations and as you get older and as you start growing up, besides you learn things in life, you start realizing the conditions in which people are in and how and but, you know, also to those things are all like, you know, as you know, you sharing those things like, you know, the emotions and stuff that comes along with it.
01;36;15;25 - 01;36;24;14
Speaker 2
It's like it is right there. At the same time, you have the wisdom now to like, look back and be like, all right, we're kids or this is not or, you know.
01;36;24;18 - 01;36;55;21
Speaker 1
The only reason why I can say, like to some of these people, I'm like, you know, is because one of them, like, became a friend of mine, one of the bad people became a friend of mine. And he told me I talked. I was like, why? What's this? Why did you do this? And he told me that in the group, basically what happens is you get to be a part of the group.
01;36;55;23 - 01;37;13;16
Speaker 1
It feels nice. Feels what friendship and what the childhood is supposed to feel like. And then they tell you, if you don't beat up that black kid, we're going to beat you up.
01;37;13;18 - 01;37;17;04
Speaker 1
So they pull up, they get their hand beat.
01;37;17;04 - 01;37;19;09
Speaker 3
Well this is how they got their hearts beat heavy.
01;37;19;12 - 01;37;22;06
Speaker 1
I got some has beaten some. That fucking invincible.
01;37;22;06 - 01;37;29;29
Speaker 3
Dude. Yeah I got some guys beat, I got my man beating that shit. But I beat some ass.
01;37;30;01 - 01;37;41;29
Speaker 2
I mean not even, even the way you talk about use fighting against one group of people in the wasteland, I'm like, yeah, you. Yeah. You been in for a while? You gotta take two down. But you know the rest will beat you up. But you know, in the back in, like they're going to know not to fuck with you.
01;37;42;02 - 01;37;49;13
Speaker 3
You know bro, it was it was so insane. Honestly. It's fucking. But that's also with me like those like.
01;37;49;13 - 01;37;50;02
Speaker 1
Good moments.
01;37;50;03 - 01;37;52;15
Speaker 3
Be just like.
01;37;52;17 - 01;37;54;05
Speaker 1
There's no else but to.
01;37;54;05 - 01;37;56;08
Speaker 3
Be right there.
01;37;56;10 - 01;38;17;23
Speaker 1
When something good happens, it's that fuck. It's an atom bomb like explosion of good, right? You know? And you can truly feel each and every second sentiment, smell, idea, you know, of all of it. And that's what made it like so nice to me as well. And that's what gives me so much fucking beautiful memories from it, you know?
01;38;17;25 - 01;38;36;21
Speaker 1
And you evolve past the past. The point of being like, oh, this is trauma. This is no. To me, this has never been trauma. This has been fuel since day one. This has been fuel. People go like, yeah, but so many trash things happened to me in my life. Like, I have a there's no way for me to be happy like, only bad stuff is happening.
01;38;36;24 - 01;38;44;02
Speaker 1
And in my head, it's like, if only bad shit is happening and you're still around cuz you're here for a fucking reason.
01;38;44;05 - 01;38;45;04
Speaker 3
01;38;45;06 - 01;39;07;02
Speaker 1
It means we're here for a fucking reason. I could have told you. I could have not been here. Yeah, nine times. I told you one of the cases there's when I was a kid when they like, gave me a circumcision, I bled out and I almost died. They had to revive me again from this shit. Like.
01;39;07;05 - 01;39;10;23
Speaker 3
Drownings. I'm one of.
01;39;10;23 - 01;39;11;18
Speaker 1
Those black people that.
01;39;11;18 - 01;39;16;00
Speaker 3
Cannot swim like it's not happening. Ladies and gentlemen, I've tried to.
01;39;16;02 - 01;39;19;15
Speaker 2
It's not a common stereotype. It happens to one out of 50.
01;39;19;17 - 01;39;26;25
Speaker 3
I've tried. Damn. I've tried. And then I drowned and I got saved, and God blessed I got saved because, yeah.
01;39;26;27 - 01;39;37;17
Speaker 1
I would have not been here again. Also, when I'm saying, like, I almost died, it wasn't always from an attack or from like some, it also happened just because I was I slipped a warped. That would.
01;39;37;17 - 01;39;40;11
Speaker 3
Be it. Oh, shit. You know. Yeah.
01;39;40;11 - 01;39;48;26
Speaker 2
That's a scary thing about life, right? You can just be out of here just off of an accident, like I. Just a minute accident that, like, you know, you take for granted, like, wow, that could have been just it.
01;39;49;02 - 01;39;53;20
Speaker 1
Well, I slipped on some water and I fell underneath the train light.
01;39;53;23 - 01;39;57;04
Speaker 3
You know what? What? I think when I was, like, a kid, like.
01;39;57;04 - 01;40;02;04
Speaker 1
And this is like some random person, like, pulled me out to as the train was. I was on the.
01;40;02;08 - 01;40;05;06
Speaker 3
It was going to, you know, yo, so many, so many.
01;40;05;06 - 01;40;08;17
Speaker 1
So many times. So many fucking times bro. It's insane.
01;40;08;24 - 01;40;13;01
Speaker 3
It's insane work, bro. It's. That's why I'm like, dude, we.
01;40;13;01 - 01;40;19;10
Speaker 1
Have to be great. It's beautiful that we can exist, that we can do this like little meeting. Yeah, we can film something afterwards. We got shows to do.
01;40;19;10 - 01;40;33;14
Speaker 3
Motherfuckers come to the shows, but I the shows. We do this. Yeah. And how beautiful is it that we can. This is fucking sick. I don't know, it's it. It's like it's sick, bro. It's so nice. Yes. They're not sick. It's healthy.
01;40;33;18 - 01;40;40;17
Speaker 2
Hey! That's sick. It's so sick. It's healthy, you know, has a lot of bacteria in it for the Bulgarian yoga fucking basilicas.
01;40;40;17 - 01;40;41;07
Speaker 3
Bulgaria as well.
01;40;41;08 - 01;40;54;11
Speaker 2
Yeah, but, bro, you have a crazy ass story, bro. And, I mean, you have a lot more, so that's like, you know, hopefully I get you in for like, a part two or something, but like, because, I mean, because it's, it requires that, you know, you have a lot and you have a lot of thoughts when it comes to.
01;40;54;11 - 01;41;04;28
Speaker 2
All right. And every time I talk to you, it's always like in a meta, like, I mean, we talk about some shit. We'll get to these meta conversations about art and stuff like that, or like these type of social things, you know? Right.
01;41;04;28 - 01;41;06;19
Speaker 3
Like about constructs and shit.
01;41;06;19 - 01;41;15;16
Speaker 2
Yeah. Which I which is dope, bro. I mean, you know, we live in a world where maybe, you know, I don't know, people may not want to have that too for too long. It's kind.
01;41;15;16 - 01;41;16;17
Speaker 3
Of like, oh, I, you know.
01;41;16;17 - 01;41;17;17
Speaker 2
It's been a couple minutes.
01;41;17;19 - 01;41;20;21
Speaker 3
Let me stop. Oh, why are they so dramatic still? Yeah. Okay.
01;41;20;21 - 01;41;22;03
Speaker 2
You touched on vulnerable points.
01;41;22;03 - 01;41;22;23
Speaker 3
Let's stop it.
01;41;22;23 - 01;41;24;18
Speaker 2
You know, Kimberly boxes in, but.
01;41;24;18 - 01;41;26;01
Speaker 1
Then fuck it. What do you want to talk about?
01;41;26;03 - 01;41;27;18
Speaker 2
01;41;27;21 - 01;41;29;10
Speaker 1
Is it is it too late now? It's like is.
01;41;29;12 - 01;41;33;04
Speaker 2
No, no, no, that's what I want with respect to your time. I mean, I want I want to make sure that you're good.
01;41;33;07 - 01;41;34;23
Speaker 3
I'm solid. So. All right, all right.
01;41;34;23 - 01;41;44;20
Speaker 2
Cool, cool, cool. So, so to so let's start with the Bulgari thing, and then, there's something I want to circle back to this, like a while back. Go something.
01;41;44;22 - 01;41;45;24
Speaker 3
That. No no no no no no.
01;41;45;24 - 01;42;02;02
Speaker 2
No, this is I mean, bro, because a lot of people don't. Well, let me say a lot of people I know don't know about Bulgari like this or whatever. So hearing these stories and hear about the duality of it, I think is important because like people have sometimes these one directional thoughts about a country or region or place.
01;42;02;04 - 01;42;17;29
Speaker 2
But now looking at the yin and the yang of it, you know, I mean, which kind of makes the whole thing it makes sense. Yeah, it makes it it's, you know, what you said, like, you proud to be Bulgaria. You have heavily, you know, at this time these. Yeah. Now, I mean that's a before it wasn't. Yeah I would imagine you know.
01;42;17;29 - 01;42;25;11
Speaker 1
I mean went past the. Oh shit. I'm black. This is trash. Then I started loving being black. I was like, okay, it's dope being black, but it's not though being Bulgaria.
01;42;25;18 - 01;42;25;29
Speaker 3
Yeah.
01;42;25;29 - 01;42;30;12
Speaker 1
Then I had I had to like learn liking being Bulgarian.
01;42;30;12 - 01;42;35;17
Speaker 2
How was that phase of you being proud to be black in Bulgaria?
01;42;35;19 - 01;42;37;23
Speaker 1
Like, oh, I wasn't proud being black in Bulgaria.
01;42;37;26 - 01;42;39;16
Speaker 2
Okay. You had to leave Bulgaria for that too.
01;42;39;17 - 01;42;51;27
Speaker 1
I started being proud that I myself 2021. So like not 2021 is in years but 2020 wasn't in the year 2021 right. Was the first year that I looked at myself and I was like, I like.
01;42;51;27 - 01;42;53;09
Speaker 3
This.
01;42;53;11 - 01;42;55;04
Speaker 2
Was that was you Germany.
01;42;55;04 - 01;42;56;15
Speaker 3
Oh yeah. The.
01;42;56;15 - 01;43;14;12
Speaker 1
Boatman on the boat, Justin was doing a but just in one of our friends, just in small just just just in small comedy. Check him out. He was doing a spot at the boat. And I went to see him. It was the summer. I had short shorts on and shit, and he was, like, killing it. And a bunch of other white comedians, like, went up and took bows.
01;43;14;15 - 01;43;20;16
Speaker 1
No disrespect to any white comedians, but it was. It just so happened that they were white and they sucked. Anyway.
01;43;20;19 - 01;43;22;04
Speaker 2
It's not correlated.
01;43;22;07 - 01;43;26;06
Speaker 3
It doesn't feel like a lot to focus, but still, like, you see, like a bunch of people.
01;43;26;06 - 01;43;40;00
Speaker 1
Did when I was a kid out like, dream to be like, you know, I would dream to be white. I would, like, look at the mirror and be like, why the fuck am I not white? Why the fuck am I here? And I'm black? This makes no sense. This is bullshit. I wanted to kill myself, but it was heavy, right?
01;43;40;02 - 01;44;00;07
Speaker 1
And so I'm looking at these people that I dreamed to be, like, suck balls. And then Justin pulls up with a black homie just kicking ass. Yeah. And I know that if I go up on the stage, I'll kick ass, because it was already past the point where I knew that I was a solid comedian. Now I feel like I'm comfortable saying I'm a solid comedian to.
01;44;00;08 - 01;44;01;24
Speaker 2
Funny do right? The fuck yeah.
01;44;01;28 - 01;44;03;17
Speaker 1
Not the best. But we out here, I'm.
01;44;03;17 - 01;44;04;19
Speaker 2
Getting, you know. But he's funny.
01;44;04;22 - 01;44;19;28
Speaker 1
It's like. It's like one piece. You got to go through a couple trials and then you get, like, to be better. Doesn't matter. But I was looking at him fucking kicking ass, being black and talking about being black and kicking ass and being comfortable, being black, kicking ass. And I was looking at myself and I was like.
01;44;20;00 - 01;44;29;13
Speaker 3
Yes, it is fucking way nicer. I like being this, you know? Yeah, yeah. Not only for the for the just because it's.
01;44;29;13 - 01;44;55;02
Speaker 1
Black skin, but it was the first time that having black skin did not matter. I liked me now. I liked it fully. Not because of what's inside the skin, not because of just the skin. Because of the thing. Just because I'm here. I liked it, right. You know, the skin didn't matter. For the first time. Inside has never mattered.
01;44;55;02 - 01;45;12;23
Speaker 1
Because I always liked my insides. Somehow. I always liked where my brain was going. I always liked where I wanted to head with my mind, what I wanted to create, and all of these things I don't like that I haven't done a bunch of the stuff that I had had the opportunity for a long time, but still, you know, I like that.
01;45;12;23 - 01;45;25;20
Speaker 1
I still have the opportunity. I still can try. I could still do a bunch of these shit. Right? But yeah, man, it was the first time 2021 looking at in that I looked at my buddy and I was like, this is dope, I like myself. Wow. I wasn't in Bulgaria at all.
01;45;25;22 - 01;45;40;20
Speaker 2
Wow. It almost draws the importance of how especially black people, I mean, speaking for myself or whatever, I just, you know what I know of being like around other black people to like, get that type of like 1 to 1 connection of just seeing how another black person lives.
01;45;40;20 - 01;45;41;14
Speaker 3
Like, shit. Yeah.
01;45;41;14 - 01;45;44;14
Speaker 2
And then being like, oh, all right. Like, you know, even be here in Berlin, bro. Like, you.
01;45;44;14 - 01;45;49;01
Speaker 1
Know, I'm not even that like another black person being comfortable being himself.
01;45;49;03 - 01;45;49;27
Speaker 2
That part.
01;45;49;29 - 01;46;12;20
Speaker 1
That part specifically. There's a lot of black people out there that are either American, African and try to be stuck in that shit like, oh, no, no, I cannot do this because I am African or like, I, I have to not say nigger now because, some coon bullshit like, no, the I've been said this to my face and then also this is pissing me off.
01;46;12;20 - 01;46;17;11
Speaker 1
People go like, yo, you go and you say nigger on stage and like.
01;46;17;13 - 01;46;18;22
Speaker 3
I, I, I try to stay away.
01;46;18;22 - 01;46;20;00
Speaker 1
Black people.
01;46;20;02 - 01;46;20;18
Speaker 2
Interesting.
01;46;20;19 - 01;46;23;18
Speaker 1
Come to I try to stay away from the word you.
01;46;23;20 - 01;46;33;10
Speaker 3
Oh. Who you were, You use it frivolously. Oh, okay. I, I try to stay away because it's.
01;46;33;13 - 01;46;53;06
Speaker 3
Like I've been. I've been said nigger to my face more times than from white people in my life. I'm gonna use this like I don't care. Are you fucking crazy? Oh, shit. Bro, they try to police me about it, you know, like black PC, some type of booze, I you be. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01;46;53;06 - 01;47;16;01
Speaker 2
It's so crazy how even that word which originated in America to slaves, were brought over from Africa. Dare to have impacts. Just as in in different ways here in different countries in Europe. Like, you know, because again, like even me here and now it's like that, like, you know, you know, I mean, I'm, I'm African. I was born in America.
01;47;16;01 - 01;47;21;12
Speaker 2
And like, you basically call me African American African whatever, cause I was grew up in America, right?
01;47;21;12 - 01;47;22;24
Speaker 3
Yeah. But you're African.
01;47;22;24 - 01;47;36;03
Speaker 2
Yeah. It's a it's actually dynamic, but it's still things are like such as and where like like Nick saying this goes on right where like I'm hearing white people saying it like there's a thing in my body being like, yo, what? Like, you know, like yo, like I was hitting the the the wall, like, you know, I'm saying.
01;47;36;09 - 01;47;36;18
Speaker 3
Dude.
01;47;36;18 - 01;47;40;10
Speaker 1
I was doing a show in, fucking Amsterdam.
01;47;40;13 - 01;47;40;29
Speaker 3
01;47;41;01 - 01;48;10;02
Speaker 1
And there's a white kind of like the, there's this is dope, dude. Technically usually. And something was like about this thing, like we were like, hitting after the show back, to to the to the apartment, to the hotel, whatever it was. And he said it like, two, three times. I was like, don't be saying that. And he's like, oh, yeah, I, because you were we were just talking about it, and I was.
01;48;10;06 - 01;48;15;23
Speaker 1
Yeah, but if it makes you feel uncomfortable, I guess I won't say it.
01;48;15;25 - 01;48;17;18
Speaker 3
What?
01;48;17;21 - 01;48;36;20
Speaker 1
This is the and this is the. And I was like, bro. Nah, not the not because this makes me uncomfortable. But just don't be. It was the first time that I felt like, I felt like uncomfortable for banning somebody from saying the word.
01;48;36;23 - 01;48;39;21
Speaker 3
01;48;39;24 - 01;48;48;10
Speaker 1
Interesting is like, oh, okay. I guess if it makes you uncomfortable, as if I'm like some pussy pussy.
01;48;48;12 - 01;48;51;05
Speaker 3
You know, like, I hate this. Yeah.
01;48;51;08 - 01;49;01;28
Speaker 1
So I said some shit along that. Nah. Like, it's okay, but, like, don't be, you know, and it's not okay. And I know it's not okay. And it didn't feel okay. Yeah. You know, that's why I told them like, don't be saying I said bro.
01;49;02;00 - 01;49;26;09
Speaker 2
It's interesting. Yeah. You know okay I guess I don't know how it is I hear. But it definitely in America is very visceral in terms of like that word is so visceral. They're like it's immediate. You know, like and even grown up because, you know, I grew up in most my family, after all, my family. So like growing up in America, like that word I had at a grasped the weight of that via my friends who, like, you know, that has a connotation to them in a very specific way.
01;49;26;09 - 01;49;27;29
Speaker 1
And there's but there's a way to be used.
01;49;28;00 - 01;49;38;29
Speaker 2
Yeah, in a way to be used, but also to there's like a, there's a policing of it, like a white person saying that it's immediate punched in the face. It's like straight up that, that lives within the zeitgeist. Like, yo, you say this word.
01;49;39;04 - 01;49;47;28
Speaker 1
They be testing. Yeah. And then when you go like, don't be doing it and I won't punch you in the face just because you're my friend. Because you technically kind of.
01;49;47;28 - 01;49;49;08
Speaker 3
Not really, but it seems like.
01;49;49;08 - 01;49;55;00
Speaker 2
It doesn't exist in the zeitgeist as it does in America. Like, like here is just like loose.
01;49;55;08 - 01;49;56;02
Speaker 3
It's a law.
01;49;56;03 - 01;50;03;11
Speaker 2
It's almost like a reference to a white guys, which almost makes it almost just, an apparition, like in terms of that weight of that word like.
01;50;03;16 - 01;50;04;08
Speaker 1
No, no, no.
01;50;04;15 - 01;50;13;24
Speaker 2
I mean, in Bulgaria, that being called that like, you know, again, like, am I like, I can't even imagine. I can't I literally can't even imagine you saying I'm like, yo, what, what? Or even.
01;50;13;24 - 01;50;14;15
Speaker 1
On the daily.
01;50;14;15 - 01;50;15;15
Speaker 3
Bro on the daily.
01;50;15;15 - 01;50;22;10
Speaker 2
Or even someone that's my friend Assata. It be like, it would be immediate. Like yo confrontational. Yo, what do you mean?
01;50;22;10 - 01;50;27;25
Speaker 1
But but they never even, like, say it in that way. You know, they never, like, use it in conversation.
01;50;27;25 - 01;50;32;05
Speaker 3
Like, fucking new.
01;50;32;05 - 01;50;34;25
Speaker 1
My job is like, killing me. Like, no, they don't.
01;50;34;27 - 01;50;40;22
Speaker 3
Do this, you know? They don't. I don't know why, but I said, yeah, like, that's a.
01;50;40;24 - 01;50;43;01
Speaker 1
Random. Right. But they don't do this. They, they go.
01;50;43;01 - 01;50;44;16
Speaker 3
Like, what's happening?
01;50;44;18 - 01;50;46;16
Speaker 1
You know, like, oh damn.
01;50;46;19 - 01;50;49;17
Speaker 2
Yes. So then it even makes it more like, you know.
01;50;49;17 - 01;50;50;23
Speaker 3
I mean, it's so trash.
01;50;51;00 - 01;50;54;11
Speaker 2
Yeah. That's that's interesting. That is very interesting.
01;50;54;12 - 01;51;01;09
Speaker 1
And now a bunch of the people that might have, like see this like afterwards or whatever they might like, look at me and be like, oh, look at you being.
01;51;01;09 - 01;51;03;16
Speaker 3
Bummed about no, no bro. No no no.
01;51;03;21 - 01;51;08;13
Speaker 1
Like I'll tell you, like there might be like people in Bulgarian like, oh, look, you know, I'm fucking talking about.
01;51;08;15 - 01;51;10;19
Speaker 3
Fucking the N-word.
01;51;10;24 - 01;51;16;17
Speaker 2
Yet let it be known they want to know about rap music and black influences like that that comes along with it, yo.
01;51;16;17 - 01;51;17;12
Speaker 3
Like, you.
01;51;17;14 - 01;51;33;26
Speaker 2
Don't get that side and then be completely, you know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, that's that is so interesting how like, black culture, the way it travels, but then the way other pieces don't travel along with it. Right. Like the whole, you know, I mean, let's be serious, bro. Like, even was going you nigga in your face.
01;51;33;26 - 01;51;36;09
Speaker 2
They understand about like, Black Panthers and the struggle.
01;51;36;09 - 01;51;37;16
Speaker 3
In this way that they don't even.
01;51;37;19 - 01;51;42;05
Speaker 2
Know this is all 50 cent and was like, oh, I see him sitting there. He got big chains. I want a big chain. You know.
01;51;42;09 - 01;51;48;07
Speaker 1
A lot of them know that it does come from like black people being slaves and being called nigger because of the slave shit. Okay?
01;51;48;07 - 01;51;49;06
Speaker 2
They do okay.
01;51;49;08 - 01;51;56;29
Speaker 1
But that's not what nigga is known for. You know what I'm saying.
01;51;57;02 - 01;51;58;04
Speaker 2
Is no more.
01;51;58;04 - 01;52;01;15
Speaker 1
Everybody heard it first from.
01;52;01;18 - 01;52;02;18
Speaker 3
Rap.
01;52;02;20 - 01;52;06;10
Speaker 1
Then understood. It's this thing.
01;52;06;13 - 01;52;11;11
Speaker 2
Oh. So then. Oh, yeah. So it doesn't hold the weight just because it was introduced?
01;52;11;12 - 01;52;25;10
Speaker 1
Yeah. Because within in America, it was like this horrible thing the motherfuckers took, made their own. And in Bulgaria it's like the end product.
01;52;25;13 - 01;52;25;24
Speaker 3
Yeah.
01;52;25;25 - 01;52;27;03
Speaker 1
There's no struggle behind it.
01;52;27;09 - 01;52;34;17
Speaker 2
There's no struggle. Just like a it's just a word. It's just a word. Yeah. It's made in a way that's I guess in quotes called in quotes.
01;52;34;17 - 01;52;50;14
Speaker 1
Cool. Yeah. If I can say it, it means I'm kind of cool right. Oh wow. It's not like I'm here to offend you with this. It's not like I know that there's slavery behind it, but I'll still try to be cool. It's this is what cool people do.
01;52;50;17 - 01;53;02;19
Speaker 2
Damn, yo rappers. Yeah. Rappers must have a hard time going to Eastern Europe when they concert. Did you see a whole bunch of white people? I say with the full chess, you be like, yo, can I go on with this song? Let's change the setlist. This is crazy.
01;53;02;19 - 01;53;05;06
Speaker 1
I'll be honest, I never seen a rap concert in Bulgaria.
01;53;05;06 - 01;53;05;20
Speaker 3
Well, I mean.
01;53;05;27 - 01;53;10;26
Speaker 2
They probably got the. The word is out is like, yo, why? Oh, why did you say anything like that?
01;53;10;26 - 01;53;11;29
Speaker 3
Have a bit of, like, I.
01;53;12;05 - 01;53;22;28
Speaker 2
Actually say my lyrics word for word. This is, I don't this is the first time I don't want people to know my lyrics word for word. No. Yeah. Because, you know, in America, like, it'd be comic comically like, you know, audience. They'd be having a, you know.
01;53;22;29 - 01;53;26;29
Speaker 3
The lyrics and then you see the N-word is, yeah, they continue the song.
01;53;26;29 - 01;53;33;05
Speaker 2
You always got a black person being like, there's always, there you go, there's always a black person. Be on the side, be like, they'd be like.
01;53;33;07 - 01;53;34;09
Speaker 3
You saying it. Yeah.
01;53;34;10 - 01;53;44;24
Speaker 2
And then you know, the. Yeah. And the yeah is a whole white guy. So the zeitgeist for for obvious reason because the origination and shit. But but.
01;53;44;24 - 01;53;45;20
Speaker 3
Also like if I.
01;53;45;20 - 01;53;53;29
Speaker 1
Want to be like, yo, you said the N-word, now I'm going to fight you. It's not like if everything is going to be jumping in and, you know, I'm by.
01;53;53;29 - 01;53;55;28
Speaker 3
Myself. Good.
01;53;56;01 - 01;54;00;25
Speaker 1
Just no one else to defend me. That and the LED is a bad word.
01;54;00;27 - 01;54;06;08
Speaker 3
For white people to use. You kind of. I'm the only one like this. There's no other one, bro.
01;54;06;08 - 01;54;07;28
Speaker 2
You. Yes. You gotta always take it on the.
01;54;07;28 - 01;54;16;25
Speaker 3
Chin, like, I would, but it's like. It's like, it's like a million of you. It's like literally 1 million. I'm one like. It's like it's not gonna. There's like.
01;54;16;26 - 01;54;19;21
Speaker 1
I think there was like one Asian kid that I saw one time, but that was it.
01;54;19;28 - 01;54;29;19
Speaker 2
Oh. So. Oh, that is more oh my God. So yeah, you can't. Oh wow. Yeah. Use outnumbered.
01;54;29;22 - 01;54;31;06
Speaker 1
In every way, shape or.
01;54;31;06 - 01;54;31;24
Speaker 3
Form. But that's.
01;54;31;24 - 01;54;37;25
Speaker 2
Important to because, you know, I have some people that I know that hear certain things on the podcast, but like oh black people does not blah.
01;54;37;25 - 01;54;40;06
Speaker 3
Blah. And then they hear what is some what.
01;54;40;06 - 01;54;42;04
Speaker 1
Is something that you hear often about this podcast.
01;54;42;06 - 01;55;06;02
Speaker 2
About this podcast. What do I hear about it? One is that, I hear a lot of people are learning about things they never like, the stories and things that they never heard of in terms of different cultures. Right. Second is, there was one thing in the comments in terms of like African culture and like black culture, like the, the, the, the conflict between black culture and African culture and the way like that dynamic works.
01;55;06;04 - 01;55;07;25
Speaker 2
So it was, somebody. Oh, you.
01;55;07;25 - 01;55;15;26
Speaker 1
Mean like black culture in a sense of like black culture being now considered hip hop, rap, basketball, blah, blah blah, but African culture being like Zulu tribes, all types.
01;55;15;26 - 01;55;16;09
Speaker 3
Of beautiful.
01;55;16;09 - 01;55;28;06
Speaker 2
Yeah, that. And then what comes along with that in terms of the like the but that the slight, the traumas that come along with that with Africans being made fun of or so that black Americans being made fun of and then having that.
01;55;28;13 - 01;55;30;07
Speaker 1
Africans are being made fun of by black.
01;55;30;07 - 01;55;31;27
Speaker 3
Americans. Yeah, yeah.
01;55;32;01 - 01;55;47;14
Speaker 2
That was something that I went I definitely went through a lot for a long time. And like, you know, that was like the thing where I like, you know, me, literally me. Most of my. So I was like, happened was I from people that look exactly like me because I was I spoke an African accent. My name.
01;55;47;14 - 01;56;05;18
Speaker 2
Yeah. Yeah. Like so a lot of things was that and you know, people still carrying that I would even say trauma a little bit because if I, if I'm in a room full of African people that live in America, they all have stories about, like someone that's African-American making fun of them for being African.
01;56;05;18 - 01;56;05;28
Speaker 3
Yeah.
01;56;05;28 - 01;56;16;14
Speaker 2
And like, not like, it's like awesome. Like we talk about I was writing giraffes to go to school and sometimes be like, joke. But then it happens so much like Wolf.
01;56;16;15 - 01;56;18;14
Speaker 1
Really. Did you have a come up with a monkey?
01;56;18;14 - 01;56;23;13
Speaker 2
You once had this thing like, oh no, I'm just it's like, it's like a continuation that, you know.
01;56;23;13 - 01;56;39;09
Speaker 3
I know exactly what you're talking about because of the rumors, like from moving from school to school, the next school that I would go into would pull up and be like, are you the kid that and then. Right, you know, so that I'd be like the white like they would, they would make up insane shit, the same shit.
01;56;39;09 - 01;56;53;08
Speaker 2
But like then you start, then obviously you get older wisdom and stuff you like. All right. This is a this is due to, you know, I mean many things, especially in America, the marketing National Geographic only show African people in a certain light. And I show them in different ways.
01;56;53;10 - 01;56;54;15
Speaker 1
Like a starving Africans.
01;56;54;15 - 01;57;17;04
Speaker 2
Starving Africans, not knowing that this these they have skyscrapers in Africa. Some people still in America don't even know that because of the whole marketing, which is changing. But I would say that in this podcast, it came out like a little bit of those conflicts of where somebody might have maybe a superiority complex or something about it where it's like, oh, you, you are you Africans this are you black Americans?
01;57;17;11 - 01;57;23;16
Speaker 2
And like that dichotomy based around the whole, marketing and or perception of either groups.
01;57;23;23 - 01;57;25;04
Speaker 3
But that's just fucking stupid.
01;57;25;08 - 01;57;26;26
Speaker 2
Yeah, it's stupid, but I think.
01;57;26;29 - 01;57;30;09
Speaker 3
That's really like low level conversation or low level branding.
01;57;30;09 - 01;57;46;17
Speaker 2
I think it is a good conversation because, it is something that is in the zeitgeist that like it comes out when I say conversations, I clip up and put online, then you start seeing that come out you. But oh shit, this is like how people and I'm like, oh, I know, I know what's happening here. I know where this person come from.
01;57;46;17 - 01;58;13;06
Speaker 2
I know what this person like because I lived on both sides. So I'm like, all right, this I don't know, maybe hopefully, conversation happens about it in terms of just what it is, because I know some people who still, let me say, mostly African to me, I still have a viewpoint that might be like, all right, look, bro, like, understand where people were at at this point in time when you make it being made fun of and it wasn't that deep or this was in your childhood.
01;58;13;09 - 01;58;13;13
Speaker 3
So.
01;58;13;13 - 01;58;14;28
Speaker 1
You feel it super heavy because these.
01;58;14;28 - 01;58;17;19
Speaker 3
Were, oh, these are my only friends. Why are they making fun of me then?
01;58;17;19 - 01;58;20;09
Speaker 1
You don't like even imagine that there's going to be more people in your life and that.
01;58;20;13 - 01;58;31;15
Speaker 2
Yeah, because, I mean, imagine somebody that looks exactly like could we all African? Right. So we look, somebody's looking at you, but y'all, we're the same anybody. No, we're not like, What? Like we mean we're not. Not you African, American.
01;58;31;17 - 01;58;34;20
Speaker 1
But. Okay, so the way that I see it, when, like, somebody comes up.
01;58;34;20 - 01;58;36;12
Speaker 3
To me, oh, you look the same as, like.
01;58;36;12 - 01;58;47;24
Speaker 1
And I would be like, no, we're not, but not because, like, you're this or do this because we're not. We're not the same. Right? We kind of look alike. But not not even not really.
01;58;47;27 - 01;58;48;25
Speaker 3
I mean, if you go.
01;58;48;25 - 01;58;51;20
Speaker 1
To fucking Africa and you look at all of the different African people.
01;58;51;23 - 01;58;57;09
Speaker 3
All the different faces, different, but true, true, true, true, we're just we're so not the same.
01;58;57;09 - 01;59;00;14
Speaker 1
It's insane how much we're not the same.
01;59;00;16 - 01;59;20;14
Speaker 2
The same comes into play relative to how far you wave. You're how far away you are from your base. Like, for example, in Bulgaria. Hey, look, bro, you're skin, not pale. We're brothers now, know I'm saying, like, because of we we in a situation where we are far away from home. Now, if we're in Africa, we in a place mostly now.
01;59;20;14 - 01;59;24;29
Speaker 2
So are you Nigerian? I'm Liberian, Ghanian something. But like.
01;59;25;01 - 01;59;28;19
Speaker 1
What do you want to tell me? That if you go to Bulgaria and there's, like, super dope friendly white people, you would.
01;59;28;21 - 01;59;29;15
Speaker 3
No no no no no, I'll be.
01;59;29;15 - 01;59;37;16
Speaker 2
I'll be like, yes. But I mean clearly like even happens here in Berlin, bro. If I'm walking past like me and another black person would do like a head, not like it'll be like that. Kind of like a yo.
01;59;37;18 - 01;59;38;06
Speaker 3
We are here.
01;59;38;11 - 01;59;39;01
Speaker 2
Yeah, like.
01;59;39;02 - 01;59;39;15
Speaker 3
Like if you.
01;59;39;15 - 01;59;41;22
Speaker 1
Tried to give the head nod to anybody else.
01;59;41;25 - 01;59;44;15
Speaker 2
It just doesn't die. First of all, either the.
01;59;44;15 - 01;59;45;01
Speaker 3
Koreans.
01;59;45;06 - 02;00;01;29
Speaker 2
No, it doesn't, because the connection is not there. Like, I don't know, like I never did a head nod with a white person I didn't know. And why not? I guess there's not a does not I don't even know what to call it. Bro is something where even as soon as I got here, bro, like it's because you're in a country.
02;00;02;01 - 02;00;14;14
Speaker 2
It's a lot of white people. Something maybe. And again, this is me just trying to. I don't understand it, but, like, literally it'd be me and a black person look at each other in black was good, bro, but it was good. I do that like almost every day, and that's something I even do. When I was in America.
02;00;14;14 - 02;00;14;22
Speaker 2
I do.
02;00;14;22 - 02;00;15;04
Speaker 1
It to white.
02;00;15;04 - 02;00;20;07
Speaker 2
People. Yeah. So because like, again, I should I say, how do I put it? But you know, like the just.
02;00;20;08 - 02;00;21;29
Speaker 3
Don't know I know man. Right.
02;00;22;01 - 02;00;27;16
Speaker 1
The same, the same non-confrontational thing that you would do with the same feeling that you do to the black guy. Do it. So a white.
02;00;27;16 - 02;00;42;27
Speaker 2
Person, here you go. If there's not a feeling there, like literally I don't walk out the door like there's a black, you know, like it's almost literally like a ancestral to. I don't even know what they explain. I can't explain it, bro. It's not even like a directional, directional thing of like, this is what I'm going to do to it.
02;00;42;28 - 02;00;44;22
Speaker 3
Just be like, yeah, just like a normal thing.
02;00;44;27 - 02;00;50;13
Speaker 2
Like we just connect eyes and it's like a feeling. And again, this didn't happen when I was living like in the States.
02;00;50;17 - 02;00;50;28
Speaker 3
You didn't.
02;00;50;28 - 02;00;52;24
Speaker 1
That's it. No no no. Black not to nobody bro.
02;00;52;24 - 02;00;55;19
Speaker 2
You did not as somebody where I was from brother. But yeah, but I feel like.
02;00;55;23 - 02;01;02;27
Speaker 1
Some of some of the black nods come from like, oh, another black person out here in the white world. Respect, brother. You know, and then.
02;01;03;00 - 02;01;03;25
Speaker 3
Yeah. And some and.
02;01;03;25 - 02;01;04;28
Speaker 1
It's like an understanding.
02;01;04;28 - 02;01;10;24
Speaker 2
Yeah. Some labels you do that about oh you're trying to get it right. I'm trying to put who you from. You know what I'm saying.
02;01;10;24 - 02;01;11;21
Speaker 3
No. Yeah. Oh yeah.
02;01;11;28 - 02;01;20;21
Speaker 1
So when I, when I walk down the street and I do this to a white person, I do it from the understanding of. Check this out, bro. All of us are out here. Shit is hard anyway.
02;01;20;23 - 02;01;22;26
Speaker 3
But you're out here nice. Maybe.
02;01;22;27 - 02;01;28;18
Speaker 1
Maybe then I walk by and then they. Every single time you're not to a white person. Even if they're surprised, they're like.
02;01;28;20 - 02;01;33;02
Speaker 3
Oh yeah, it brightens their day so much, man. Maybe. Just not.
02;01;33;04 - 02;01;39;08
Speaker 2
Maybe I didn't try to find the family. I don't know, you know, because like, again, this is going to sound whatever. But if let.
02;01;39;09 - 02;01;39;19
Speaker 1
People.
02;01;39;24 - 02;01;40;16
Speaker 2
Know.
02;01;40;18 - 02;01;41;13
Speaker 1
Fuck white people.
02;01;41;20 - 02;01;48;00
Speaker 2
I hey, this is, this is his, Bulgarian side coming out.
02;01;48;02 - 02;01;51;12
Speaker 3
My Bulgarian side likes white people. Maybe that maybe.
02;01;51;12 - 02;01;59;27
Speaker 2
That's a connection. This happened. I don't know, but, but, so. Yeah. But that. Yeah, there's a lot of, layers to it, but, Okay, so with.
02;01;59;27 - 02;02;01;01
Speaker 1
Jokes, as I mentioned about.
02;02;01;05 - 02;02;23;13
Speaker 2
Yeah, we're jokes that we're comedians, which I'll put in the description. But I have to say it because people don't read descriptions anyways. So, last question I'd like to ask you, you know, you've been to a lot of different cultural differences. I mean, you know, you being the only black kid in Bulgaria, you come from a, you know, Congo father, Bulgarian mother, you moving out here to Germany, which that's that's its own thing.
02;02;23;13 - 02;02;35;26
Speaker 2
You having like, you know, different realizations about yourself, many different things you went through. And if you go back in time to your younger self, what would be the number one advice that you give to your younger self?
02;02;35;28 - 02;02;47;03
Speaker 1
Good question. Give me a second. So pull up and see a little deer. You have to tell me which one. How younger.
02;02;47;05 - 02;02;48;24
Speaker 2
Let's go to seventh grade.
02;02;48;27 - 02;02;58;03
Speaker 1
Seventh grade?
02;02;58;05 - 02;03;05;04
Speaker 1
So was a little bit before. Yeah. Okay. If I would give any advice about the about life.
02;03;05;07 - 02;03;12;27
Speaker 2
Aboulafia, about the things that were happening during that time, you know, in terms of cultural differences and all the things that were happening then, like advice.
02;03;13;00 - 02;03;35;10
Speaker 1
The advice would be chillax. The middle that you feel is more than enough. You got this for sure. And beauty is going to surround you. Heavenly. Watch out for your legs. Watch out for your wrists. Take pauses in skating so you can skate longer.
02;03;35;12 - 02;03;36;27
Speaker 2
02;03;36;29 - 02;03;42;03
Speaker 1
Because I never took a break and my body is now trying to be like what's happening.
02;03;42;05 - 02;03;45;24
Speaker 2
Yeah. Right. Like hey you owe us. Well so you.
02;03;45;24 - 02;03;46;06
Speaker 3
Know.
02;03;46;09 - 02;03;58;02
Speaker 1
18 years never stopped. The longest pause that I did was like a month. And then last year I had out of nowhere, my ankles just started swelling up and just doing whatever they wanted. And then nine months, I couldn't skate.
02;03;58;04 - 02;03;58;21
Speaker 3
Oh.
02;03;58;23 - 02;03;59;26
Speaker 2
It's good now.
02;03;59;29 - 02;04;25;28
Speaker 1
It's getting better. Like when I repaired the right one. Or, like, got it stable enough so that I can step on a board, say like that three times. Skating. And I fucked up the other one. So now it's like, been waiting again since December. It's 14th of February and I still have pain in my foot and thankfully jump and shit, but I still skate around and stuff.
02;04;25;28 - 02;04;47;16
Speaker 1
It doesn't matter. Like, yeah, but that would that would be the advice, I don't know, like, No, I that's a cheap advice. I want to really, like, fucking give myself some solid advice because I do believe at one point or another, certain type of travel would be capable either astral or whatever, and time doesn't go linear anyway.
02;04;47;16 - 02;05;07;16
Speaker 1
It's not like past, present, future. Like the future goes to the past, and the past goes to the future. Simultaneously. To weird to explain, but if I figure out exactly what I would like to tell myself right now, in the past, it would help me for the future as well. Henceforth, I'm trying to make an actual solid answer to this instead of just like some.
02;05;07;24 - 02;05;30;22
Speaker 1
You got this. You know, because there's like, there's some cool shit that if I would if I would like, be able to see myself now in seventh grade, I think, like there would be some fucking dope shit that I could tell myself. But if it's a long conversation, if it's I'm trying to have it. Like if you just have a glimpse of seeing and then seeing you, what would you say?
02;05;30;22 - 02;05;37;01
Speaker 1
Right? Yeah. And this is what I'm trying to be like.
02;05;37;04 - 02;05;41;08
Speaker 1
02;05;41;11 - 02;05;47;16
Speaker 1
Yeah.
02;05;47;18 - 02;05;56;16
Speaker 1
Don't doubt yourself. Don't doubt yourself. Yeah. It took me too long to understand that I'm capable as I was fully capable.
02;05;56;16 - 02;05;59;02
Speaker 3
Like,
02;05;59;05 - 02;06;10;17
Speaker 1
It took me too long. While showing capabilities to understand I'm capable.
02;06;10;19 - 02;06;12;03
Speaker 3
02;06;12;05 - 02;06;19;28
Speaker 1
I'm doing constantly stuff. All of it is immaculate, and I never look at it and go like, I can do things.
02;06;20;01 - 02;06;21;08
Speaker 3
That is for.
02;06;21;08 - 02;06;42;02
Speaker 1
A long time I was like, this, I make this, I make this, I make this, I make that, I act a, do graphic design, I do interior design, I do the comedy, skateboarding, all of the stuff that I do, I do really good to a solid level. Never did I assume.
02;06;42;04 - 02;07;10;12
Speaker 1
It was just stuff I do. I didn't think I'm capable. And now that I'm like, no, you are capable, I finally I did 2021 love myself and last year was the year that it was like. Yeah, I love myself and I'm super capable. I am insanely capable of anything. I believe human beings in general are. People complain and go like, look at the world is trash right now.
02;07;10;12 - 02;07;39;06
Speaker 1
The world is trash. Everything is trash around us. I don't believe human beings as a being is here to live amongst whatever is around us. I feel like we are here to create what will be around people in the future. We're here to evolve this thing. We're here to move forward. And I finally now have the solid structure in my head of being like, yeah, I can, and I always could, but never did.
02;07;39;08 - 02;08;07;23
Speaker 1
Never. I have terabytes of comedy footage, killing on stage. I have three clips online. I started posting last week. I've been doing this for eight years. All types of stages, stadiums, you know, I went to do a festival. It had 3000 people there. Dude did my hour in front of 3000 people. 100 people get up and leave. I'm like, well, 200.
02;08;07;23 - 02;08;11;26
Speaker 1
Come in and sit down. I'm like, okay, you know.
02;08;11;28 - 02;08;15;02
Speaker 3
Wow, the feeling is insane. If if ten.
02;08;15;02 - 02;08;16;23
Speaker 1
People leave my show now, I'm like, oh.
02;08;16;23 - 02;08;23;23
Speaker 3
Shit, just kind of done almost, you know, it's drastic. But seeing 100 people get out of their seats.
02;08;23;23 - 02;08;48;10
Speaker 1
And leave and then like look at the other side and see 200 eager. Oh fuck yeah. These losers stood up to come and sit down. And what I can do shit. Never showed, never posted, never felt confident about it. You know, I was like I'm. Yeah, I do. I'm you want to come and do this but.
02;08;48;11 - 02;08;56;29
Speaker 3
Yeah, yeah for sure, for sure. Pull up. Papa, Papa. Papa. Papa. Papa. Papa! Papa. I haven't seen some shit like this.
02;08;57;01 - 02;09;22;10
Speaker 1
Okay? Think. Go. Okay. What do I do next? Okay. Next bit. I have to write this way. Next to. I don't even hear the response. Was it good? Was it bad? Was it, don't even hear it. But don't have a base of my own self level. You know, base level of me was not. You can do stuff.
02;09;22;12 - 02;09;28;20
Speaker 1
It was just you do stuff to survive. Kind of, you know. Wow.
02;09;28;22 - 02;09;56;10
Speaker 2
And I that is advice. Nine. Advice. That's just like an expression that I think a lot of people is going through, especially artists. And I also want to say maybe an artist or another artist that that too. I do feel that at times. And I think that's like a dance that we all as artists, especially art that we really value, or a value or we know of value to go through, you know, and maybe this isn't me just saying that.
02;09;56;10 - 02;10;17;03
Speaker 2
Also, I feel that as well. And that dance is something I think to bring it back from the beginning till now of what makes art very interesting, in that it places you in this point where you have to be more present about these things, or you're.
02;10;17;03 - 02;10;17;18
Speaker 1
Capable.
02;10;17;22 - 02;10;34;20
Speaker 2
That you're capable, and then that never stops. Unfortunately, sometimes, you know, it's like that way sometimes, but the ways are not as low. It's kind of like, but yeah, no, no, no, no, no. You know, 3000 people that that's a good, you know, maybe before is like five people, like, I don't know, but 3000 like, I think we're good now.
02;10;34;20 - 02;10;55;02
Speaker 1
Yeah, but then you do 3000 and then you hear all of them crying. You see them. You've at one point you don't even, like, do comedy for 15 minutes. You just fucking talk to these people and you tell them some legit shit, like you see something in their soil and it like, switches you from doing the set and you go like, you got this, my guy, you whatever it is.
02;10;55;02 - 02;11;03;08
Speaker 1
Yeah, whatever it is. Right. And then I've had people like from these like, like a thousand people, they just pull up and be, oh.
02;11;03;11 - 02;11;12;03
Speaker 3
This is such a thing. I've never seen something like this. Like you went off such a direction or this bro, like, do you have Instagram? Like, do you do a more shows.
02;11;12;05 - 02;11;13;21
Speaker 1
Thirsty to see more.
02;11;13;24 - 02;11;14;18
Speaker 3
02;11;14;20 - 02;11;21;18
Speaker 1
And then I put up a show I'm doing my special come. Anybody that wants to join ten people.
02;11;21;20 - 02;11;25;08
Speaker 2
Well that is comedy.
02;11;25;10 - 02;11;26;17
Speaker 3
To me you know that.
02;11;26;17 - 02;11;28;01
Speaker 2
Was based comedy.
02;11;28;03 - 02;11;36;27
Speaker 3
Low key wax. Sometimes it's. Yeah it's so you gotta be. Yeah. So you gotta be like, yeah, it it really is what it is.
02;11;36;29 - 02;11;41;10
Speaker 2
That unfortunately doesn't really stop. But but.
02;11;41;12 - 02;11;46;22
Speaker 1
But that doesn't take what I wanted to like, say from from all of this is like, it doesn't take away from you being capable.
02;11;46;29 - 02;11;47;12
Speaker 3
Of. Exactly.
02;11;47;15 - 02;12;05;09
Speaker 1
You having like, the fact that you affected 3000 people and they were crying and like telling you emotional, deep life shit right after the show and then you not being able to pull more than 5 to 10 people to your special does not take away your capability from being able to do a fucking special.
02;12;05;12 - 02;12;07;06
Speaker 2
There's some real shit right there, you know?
02;12;07;06 - 02;12;08;00
Speaker 3
Yeah.
02;12;08;03 - 02;12;13;18
Speaker 1
And I was also talking to Tamra, and I was like, man, I can't. Tamra is another dope comedian. Tamra.
02;12;13;20 - 02;12;15;14
Speaker 2
Show up on the podcast. Very funny.
02;12;15;14 - 02;12;35;03
Speaker 1
Do this dude said one sentence that I have to respect him for, and maybe this is a good sentence that I could give to my child self, or a part of it. Somehow. He was like, I'm gonna stop trying to solve because he was like trying to get people in and get tickets. And he was doing all types of marketing strategies, and it wasn't fucking succeeding.
02;12;35;05 - 02;12;54;08
Speaker 1
And I put money into ads, too. And sometimes it doesn't work. Sometimes it works flawlessly and fabulously, but it's kind of like on random, you even have like sometimes full sold out show of reservations and tickets and three people show up. Nobody shows up. You have one ticket sold. And then like the room, it cannot get full. Or people keep stuffing in and you're like, oh, I don't have more money.
02;12;54;16 - 02;12;54;28
Speaker 1
How do you.
02;12;54;28 - 02;13;04;20
Speaker 3
Not have more space? There was there was more tickets online, you know. Yeah. Like all of this shit happens like and it's not it doesn't.
02;13;04;22 - 02;13;31;08
Speaker 1
Have anything to do with like your skill about it. But whatever told me was like, I'm going to stop trying to solve my, like, my art problems with business, and I'm going to solve my business problems with art. I'm a fucking artist. So I was like, okay, what do you do? Started posting money. Three of the videos that I posted got insane views.
02;13;31;08 - 02;13;32;22
Speaker 3
Nice. Well.
02;13;32;25 - 02;13;40;14
Speaker 1
I didn't pay for ads at all. I sold out 15 show. There you go, gang. Shit.
02;13;40;16 - 02;13;42;17
Speaker 3
That's the gang shit. Yeah.
02;13;42;20 - 02;14;05;06
Speaker 1
Release it doesn't matter how they affect. Doesn't matter who get it. The that of my job as a creature that I am that I've understood I am get them post put it up get them post. Put it up get them post put it up. The more I do it, the better everything gets. If I'm pissed off. If I'm stressed out, that means I got a lot of stuff to put out.
02;14;05;09 - 02;14;10;26
Speaker 1
I make one thing. If it's a sketch, if it's a sculpture, if it's a painting, if it's, whatever.
02;14;11;01 - 02;14;11;25
Speaker 3
02;14;11;27 - 02;14;23;27
Speaker 1
Instantly feel 15 times better. Attack all of the other things. Ten times better. But at the end of the day I'm fine. I have 15 things done that in the beginning of the day I was like, fuck.
02;14;24;00 - 02;14;26;17
Speaker 3
There's no way I got eight. How am I going to do this?
02;14;26;24 - 02;14;28;13
Speaker 1
You do one thing.
02;14;28;16 - 02;14;41;20
Speaker 3
Oh, you do another thing. I got two things to make. Give me this third thing. Yeah, I probably do the third things. I got three done in no time. What the fuck I gotta do? Can I do 13? Yeah, you. You do 13.
02;14;41;22 - 02;14;51;25
Speaker 1
But you have to allow yourself to do that one thing. You have to allow yourself to understand you're capable. But once again, I'll go back to my younger self and be like, don't worry, my nigga.
02;14;52;01 - 02;14;55;15
Speaker 3
Yeah, capable. Let that shit out.
02;14;55;17 - 02;14;58;06
Speaker 2
Bro. On that. No, bro, thank you very much.
02;14;58;13 - 02;14;59;06
Speaker 3
Straight. This.
02;14;59;06 - 02;15;05;02
Speaker 2
Is a very dope podcast, man, and I'll talk to you as always. Something like in-depth, insightful. You know what I mean?
02;15;05;03 - 02;15;06;13
Speaker 1
Thank you for having me, man.
02;15;06;15 - 02;15;10;12
Speaker 2
Yeah, it definitely had a major. My brain was, like, constantly here because you've gone deep into.
02;15;10;14 - 02;15;11;24
Speaker 3
I'm sorry. No no no no no.
02;15;11;29 - 02;15;14;17
Speaker 2
That's good. Know that that is good. And that's something that is def I.
02;15;14;17 - 02;15;16;27
Speaker 3
Try to jump back to surface every nah nah nah.
02;15;16;27 - 02;15;23;18
Speaker 2
But you know some time because a lot of things surface level now. So it's good to always go deep if not deeper sometimes. So I do appreciate that, bro, and.
02;15;23;18 - 02;15;24;04
Speaker 3
Appreciate.
02;15;24;04 - 02;15;24;20
Speaker 1
You for having.
02;15;24;20 - 02;15;32;04
Speaker 2
Me. And I think this will be helpful for a lot of people that are probably going through the same things now, bro. And the way you express it. So really, I think is really going to help out.
02;15;32;11 - 02;15;32;15
Speaker 3
A.
02;15;32;20 - 02;15;34;06
Speaker 1
Lot of motherfucking let me kind.
02;15;34;07 - 02;15;36;19
Speaker 3
Of yeah, if I'm talking shit, bro talk. Sure. Go ahead.
02;15;36;20 - 02;15;51;17
Speaker 1
Holler at a motherfucker. If you ever got some goofy shit happening in your existence, you feel like you're not enough. Not too much, too much, too little, too whatever the fuck my Instagram is probably going to be here. Legit. DM me.
02;15;51;19 - 02;15;52;29
Speaker 3
Hit a brother up.
02;15;53;01 - 02;16;02;23
Speaker 1
I'm real. I'm not a scream. I'll answer you and I'll be dead honest with you. Halla ajiboye and come to a show if you want.
02;16;02;25 - 02;16;07;19
Speaker 2
To come to the show. It's very funny. He will DM you back. He will give you some real shit. I mean, you know.
02;16;07;21 - 02;16;08;14
Speaker 3
If you.
02;16;08;16 - 02;16;09;22
Speaker 2
Guys already use her some.
02;16;09;22 - 02;16;10;25
Speaker 3
Real shit. We're here to.
02;16;10;25 - 02;16;12;28
Speaker 1
Help each other out and push each other forward.
02;16;13;04 - 02;16;22;29
Speaker 2
Yeah. So thank you very much, bro. And thank you very much for listening and are watching to the Third Culture Talk podcast. I'm your boy Nya Yeanafehn and this is Deo Katunga and I'll see you guys in the next one.
02;16;23;00 - 02;16;24;07
Speaker 3
Peace you.
