Third Culture Talk Podcast
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Third Culture Talk Podcast
A German with a Different Accent, Danger in Utah’s Mountains & the Needle App w/ Jan Heimes | Ep 94
Today on the Third Culture Talk Podcast, I sit down with Jan Heimes, co-CEO of Needle.
We talk about his life growing up in Germany. Also his experiences living across Europe and the U.S. (including Utah!). And the cultural shocks he faced along the way. Jan also shares how the app, Needle, came to life, why finding the right co-founder is so important. And what it takes to build something meaningful across cultures.
✨ If you’re curious about culture, travel, and entrepreneurship, you’ll love this episode.
You can find out more about Needle at: https://needle.app
Jan Haimes Socials
Instagram | Substack
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Music: "Chill Day" by Lakey Inspired
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Go over to the tent.
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Very loud music. I say, excuse me, sir.
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Can you maybe turn off the music
or turn it down a bit
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and then no sound, just like,
loud music continues.
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Nobody answers.
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Hey, yo, I'm just, like,
have to wake up very early.
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Maybe you can, like, turn down a bit
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the music, because I tried to sleep,
and then, music is decreased a bit.
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I just hear, voice of him. Man,
do you want that?
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I fucking shoot you or what?
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I said.
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Welcome to the Third Culture Talk podcast.
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I'm your host, Nya Yeanafehn
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This podcast, we talk with people
that are raised in a culture different
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than their parents, home culture
or way of life or nationality,
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and now they're living in today's culture,
which is vastly different
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than the days of our parents
or even back in the day.
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So let's get in today's episode.
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How are you doing?
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Oh, I'm doing very well.
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Very happy to be here.
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Now. Nice. Nice bro, nice man.
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And now I know who doesn't know.
We met at the at the park.
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We met at a party and then.
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Yeah, at the park. Was it that park man?
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Yeah, mom. Bijou park? Yes.
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Exactly. In the center.
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Yeah.
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It was, event of your friend Patrick.
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Patrick. Pascal.
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Pascal.
Yeah. Sorry. Yeah, I fucked up his name.
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No, no. That's cool. It.
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Oh. Pastor. No.
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All he watches his episode,
so don't worry about it.
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He won't mind it, but, how things have.
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How's Berlin treating you?
Oh, yeah. Very well.
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I mean, the summer has been nice.
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I enjoyed very much.
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A lot of work to do.
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Since, you know, I work for
my own startup, so I'm working also a lot.
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But I feel like I'm here now
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for ten months,
and I feel like I finally kind of arrived.
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Nice.
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So I have, like, really 2 or 3 really good
friends now, and we have a nice team.
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And I'm enjoying right now my life,
like working hard but also spending
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good, moments and memories
with some nice friends I was able to make.
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Oh, okay.
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Cool, cool.
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Hold on one minute. I do that window.
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Yeah, sure. And,
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Oh. If.
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Oh that's nice.
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Yeah, yeah, but I don't mind.
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So you ten once you make it seems like
the way your energy and everything.
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You moving about that,
you been here for a while?
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It seems like, I don't know.
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Yeah.
I think I'm a pretty extroverted person.
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So. Relatively easy,
I guess, to integrate somewhere very fast.
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Yeah, yeah, you definitely extroverted.
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I will say I'm like, yo, you
you definitely you're because you from.
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Not as extroverted as you. I guess.
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I mean just as much like.
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So where are you from originally?
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Originally, I'm from North Germany,
next to Netherlands.
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Code region is Code Friesland.
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I haven't been there for a long time, but
yeah, I'm born and raised there like so.
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I'm a countryside German you could say.
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Okay. Oh is countryside German.
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So actually now I'm living in Berlin,
but before I lived in Berlin I'm 27,
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I never have been to Berlin
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because for me, Amsterdam is like
three hours, but Berlin is like six hours.
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So when I was a child, we have been moved
into the Netherlands, right?
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France actually, in some,
but not so much to Berlin.
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I somehow there was never a reason to go
to Berlin somehow. Wow.
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That's okay. That is interesting,
bro. Yeah.
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Because, I would imagine that, you know,
I assume everyone in Germany
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at some point in their life
come to Berlin, you know, at one point.
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But, yeah, maybe I see them right
there. You're from the US.
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Have you ever been to the capital of us?
I don't know.
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Maybe Washington DC, I guess as like
I said, yeah, I've been there.
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Yeah, actually,
I've been in Washington DC.
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Oh yeah, Washington
DC is actually a fun time.
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I thought maybe I haven't been neither.
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So yeah, we could connect the dots.
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Yeah, but I mean, nothing against you.
I mean, you got Amsterdam right there.
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Why not? Right.
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You know, you got the coffee,
the coffee shops or whatever they say,
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you know, coffee shops. Yeah. Yeah.
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But I mean, yeah,
you are extroverted, right?
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And, I know there's always a stereotype.
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Well, maybe I heard about, like,
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when it comes to German culture,
it can be reserved, but,
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I mean, like, literally,
as soon as I talk to you, I'm like,
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oh, bro, you you remind me of a friend
that I know back home.
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Oh that's right.
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Yeah.
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No, no, I mean, look, by talking to you,
you're shattering all the stereotypes
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they have about the German culture,
you know? So that's good.
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Yeah.
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I think there are many stereotypes,
and I guess some of them are right.
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But we also here in Berlin,
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I think many people who are in Berlin
that are really stereotype and all of,
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you know, it's from the US, I think you're
not stereotype us guy, right?
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Yeah. It's true.
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I mean, kind of if you look at stereotype
you, it's hard to pin it down right now.
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These days it's like more old.
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But I think these days all these cultures
mix, especially in Berlin.
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Right?
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I mean, it's
kind of like, hard to pin down. No,
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stereotype to one culture
if you because of these cultures mix.
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Still, there are some differences, but
I think they just mingle it a bit more.
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Yeah. No, no, that definitely makes sense.
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And you write about that.
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So you saw northern part of Germany.
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So I know different parts of Germany
are different.
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Like, I mean, obviously the South Bavaria
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or the region area is different than like
the central, the east, the west.
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So what's like the North Germany?
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North Germany is very like,
people don't talk as much.
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Maybe.
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I think they're more like there's a joke
about that.
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People from the North, if they greet
each other, they don't say hello.
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They just like,
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nod to each other, like, right.
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That's kind of it, you know?
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That's, friendly. Yeah.
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So you can get, and like,
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like this,
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like, is like very, like less talking,
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I think a bit more like calm
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because it's
the north is not so heavily, settled.
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There's many villages, but not really
big city, you know, especially in north
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west Hamburg is kind of a really big city
by this new two hours.
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Bayamon is also not so far.
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And then
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you have Groningen in the Netherlands,
but it's like it feels like more a vacuum.
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So if you are like from maybe south,
like Bavaria, I think there's more.
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The, the density of settlements is bigger.
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So I think this how the environment of
where you live also affects how you are.
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It's like the bit of the culture.
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And since it's
so low density, I think there,
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I think
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people are always a bit more calm and less
talkative.
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Okay. Yeah.
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That's actually a good point.
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You bring it up like that because yeah.
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It makes sense
that if you're more spread out
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that you're going
to be more towards yourself
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and whoever you don't know,
you're going to be like, okay,
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I don't want to have too much,
you know. Don't have too much.
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Yeah, I think talking
less there actually people.
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Yeah.
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Which hey, it makes sense
because it's like, hey,
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I don't know, you
let me at least warm up to you.
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Yeah. You know.
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Yeah, I just like,
there's also it's pretty calm area,
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but I haven't been there for a long time.
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I mean, so when I was 18, I left
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and I haven't been there again
I think for four years now, so.
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Oh, wow.
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Yeah. Okay.
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So when you left, what was the first place
you moved to that?
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Like was your escape?
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I guess.
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I was 18, I started to study in bachelor
studies and I wanted to move away,
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but not too far away
that I can still see my parents.
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I moved like four hours away.
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I started my university, started
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the Mechanical engineering
and Technical University of Braunschweig.
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So they kind of. It's not too far,
actually, from Berlin.
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1.5 hours from here,
but I seems like a smaller
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German city, which is good for mechanical
engineering studies.
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Nice.
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And so that was kind of
like the first adventure you know,
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and I remember very well
the first day I moved out and, and I
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my mother kind of like helped me
a bit with, bringing up the flat,
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constructing stuff and then it was the day
that she left and I was like, then 18.
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Right?
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And then it was like she left
with the car, drove back to the north,
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and I was there in the flat
and it was kind of dark.
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It was October, rainy day.
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And actually I cried. I
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think it was like a life changing moment,
I must say.
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I kind of like one chapter ends,
another chapter starts like, you know,
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now you live alone,
you're here, your parents another.
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And so right
then I remember I cried, actually.
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Bro, I mean, you know, you know,
the first person said that,
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I think I talked
to some people on this podcast
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who said the same thing, like they cried
when they, you know, got to school.
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I think for me, when that happened,
What what happened to you, man?
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Yeah. I'm curious actually. Okay.
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So when I first got to college,
I was living at the time in Delaware.
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Delaware? For anyone who doesn't
know, Delaware is a terrible.
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It's one of the most boring states
you can ever find in the United States.
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If you ever go
to United States of America,
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if you have to go to Delaware,
just just go through it.
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Don't stay.
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Go through it.
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That is no place for anyone to live
except you want to get a cheap house
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anyways, I was living there and I was just
happy to escape to be honest.
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Yeah, I was just happy to be like,
oh my, I'm out of Delaware
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because I was living
there for a little bit.
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And at the time,
you know, because the houses were cheaper.
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So I was like, you know, my parents,
I bought a house there and stuff.
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But then after I was like,
I have to get out of here and get know.
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But then it was very famous.
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I mean, all these Delaware
sea coves, right?
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Yeah. Well, that's the only reason. Yeah.
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No one wants to be there
except for, C Corp.
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Corporation was nobody, is there?
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There's a hey, over the corporation here,
but it's only be staffed by one person,
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and then that's it.
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We don't want to have our employees leave
because they have to live like a rapper.
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Yeah, yeah.
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You know, it's like, boom. Just,
you know, here's the business.
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No taxes. That's
the only reason why people are there.
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No taxes.
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Said so. Okay. I didn't know that. Yeah.
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I mean, well, no state taxes
think or something like that.
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And then obviously cheaper for the escorts
and everything to do it.
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But, that was my experience with, college.
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And when I went to it was, interesting.
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Let's just say
it was not too far away from home.
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And unfortunately, that was a
that was not a good thing.
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Oh, you. Wanted to go further away?
Okay. Yeah. Let's just say this.
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So where I
grew up, it was like a rough neighborhood.
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So let's just say the
they had a same people in that college.
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So it was almost like the neighborhood
from far away from the neighborhood
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that, that mixed.
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Yeah.
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It was like migration
that kind of year to there.
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Right. It's
kind of like everybody was here which is.
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Yeah. Yeah. Like the first. Yeah.
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I think the first day of college
when I went there
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it people shooting dice in the corner,
I was like, all right.
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I was like, well I don't think
I'll be learning anything much here.
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And thankfully
I transferred to, to a different college.
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Okay, I understand nice. Because there.
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So I mean, how about you?
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Yeah. Your college was
calm. Was it like, you know,
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It was like a mix of calm since
this is a technical university.
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Not so. Not so many girls, you know?
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Oh. So you was really studying?
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I was really. Studying.
Yeah, actually, yes.
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I studied even, like,
two degrees at the same time.
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Like two bachelor degrees.
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Mechanic,
engineering and industrial dining. Wow.
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I think I'm pretty good
in torturing myself.
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And I found, like, one study
to not challenging enough.
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So I said,
why don't study two at the same time?
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I wouldn't recommend to anybody,
but I did it back then.
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And then actually I try to explore
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a lot the world I moved to, to the U.S,
I lived in Oklahoma.
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Right.
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You Oklahoma, United, United States.
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I did an exchange.
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Pretty random, I think. Wow.
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I lived in Paris for some time,
did an exchange there.
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I've said, Madrid,
that my master's in Copenhagen
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lived for some time in San Mateo,
San Francisco, so.
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And then I moved to Switzerland.
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Zurich lived there for two years,
and now I'm in Berlin, you know.
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So I've been actually living in
quite a few places, I think. Wow.
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That's why maybe sometimes
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when I talk to other German people
and they speak German to them,
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sometimes they ask me like,
what is your accent?
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Are you like German or not German?
So I'm not.
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I'm like, born in Germany, I'm German.
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Nationality. Here's my passport. Look.
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But yeah, I didn't live like in Germany
for like maybe 7 or 8 years
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or something like this.
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And because of that,
I think maybe my accent has changed a bit.
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I don't know about my accent in English.
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I think it's still very German like,
not crazy German,
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but like, still German,
but in German sometimes my accent.
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Apparently German people ask me
if I'm like Dutch, Swiss also,
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or Danish or something else because maybe
I pronounce some words a bit weird.
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Yeah, but yeah, it's pretty like this.
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I think when you hear somebody
talking in native language,
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there's like these small,
very small things.
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Sometimes people hear
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and they are directly like creating
something like a very small fraction.
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And I just pronounce one single
word of like
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how many words
I talk in a phrase different.
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And I may pronounce the a like longer.
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For example, sometimes people ask me
how is your name?
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And they say, my name is Yan Yan.
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I say yan, I say the a more open yan.
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Other people say may say yan.
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You understand?
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It's very small difference
and. People pick up on a few.
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We pick up on that. Nick. Oh,
where are you from?
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And because he's cohesive. Yan not Yan.
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And I'm like, what is it with an H?
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And I'm like, no, it's just Yan. Like.
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Like my name is Yan.
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Like, the people are
a bit confused about it, you know?
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Wow, that is so specific.
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Okay.
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I mean, so when you say Yan, what,
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what what part of Jeremy
or where does that come from?
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It comes because my grandmother
always called me like that.
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And so I like to be called, like, young,
you know?
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Yeah. I don't like the short version.
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I don't like Yan, I like young,
I like the.
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Yeah. You like to hear your name.
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You wanted to stay out a little bit,
you know, young.
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Don't let it stop.
You know, just like keep on going.
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Let's keep going. Good.
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Let's keep while we stop it.
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Yeah, yeah.
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You've got the age and the young,
And you got a year.
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But I don't have the age.
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I don't know, I don't know the like
it's like, yeah, the age is, invisible.
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Just it just so you don't. Yeah.
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But yeah, people pick up on that,
and then they're directly like, asking,
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oh, where are you from?
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And they say, enough from nowhere
specific.
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Yeah, yeah. Wow.
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Okay, man.
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So I mean, to kind of go back though,
do you travel to different places?
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The one that surprised me
that you went to Oklahoma?
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Yeah.
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That's that is, you know what what
what made you want to move to Oklahoma?
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You know, it was, exchange university
I had for my best university.
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And for me, it was.
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Oh, to for you to study there,
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because studying in Germany is free,
and then it's not.
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But I could study there for free
also because we have a partner agreement.
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And there was like different options
I think it was Utah, Wyoming, New York,
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Waterloo and the Canada, Oklahoma
and I think like Nebraska
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or something like this Ohio. Oh, Nebraska.
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And so I said, oh let's go
for the most American experience
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and most U.S experience.
So let's go for the Wild West.
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So like Texas would be cool.
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Oklahoma or something like this.
All right. So I went to Oklahoma.
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And how was Oklahoma?
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A very the first time I arrived
I remember very rare.
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I mean pretty random and most like Ben
20 years old.
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So I was under H in the US and
I flew to Dallas because it was cheaper.
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And then I took a Greyhound bus
from Dallas to Oklahoma,
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and I was like, In Europe you're taking
like, busses kind of thing, right?
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Right. But I didn't know yet.
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The US first time in the US, you know.
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So I was taking this Greyhound bus
from Dallas to.
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Oklahoma City.
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And I was surprised about how I was like,
wow, seems to be not so much a thing
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here.
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And people who took the Greyhound bus
were a bit sketchy.
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Maybe some of.
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It. Bro, you took the Greyhound
at your first wow, that is bull.
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And then the bus dropped me off.
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I took the Google maps.
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I was like, I think I need
to get out of here, drop me off.
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And there was not really a station.
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It just dropped me off
somewhere around them.
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And I was like,
seems to be no bus stop here.
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No, no sidewalk for, for people
who who go by by feet, you know?
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Right. And just big cars, huge, pick ups.
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And, I was walking
just on the highway with Google Maps.
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Like I was saying, I need to go that way.
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You know, it was my first experience
in the years when I made it in the end.
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Know? Yeah. I mean, you still here, right?
Yeah.
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You you hear
you didn't get hit by an SUV or whatever.
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So you all. Good? Exactly.
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Why is he took the Greyhound bus?
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I don't even, you know, Greyhound
is. Yeah. Always sketchy.
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Is never not sketchy.
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It's never not sketchy.
Yeah, yeah. Greyhound.
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Unfortunately, the busses like busses here
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in Europe is like,
all right, little sketchy, but like.
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It's.
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It's is the reasonable amount of sketchy
because you pay in two and a half dollars
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to go to a whole different civilization.
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Right.
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So you're like, okay,
they got to be a little sketchy
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here, you know, how could it?
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But like in the States, you pay more money
for a Greyhound and it's almost
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you pay more money to be in a box
so you can possibly lose your life
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because you're just like, all right,
who is this person is a big duffel bag.
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I don't know what's going on.
They keep looking at me.
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They got the hands wrapped around it.
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There's, somebody else
looking like they're sad. Traveler.
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I don't know what's happening.
Like somebody running away from something.
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What's happening? I, I. Saw this,
they also.
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They didn't turn on the light.
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I remember that it was just like dark
in the bus, you know.
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As they wanted to.
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Yeah. Let's go.
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This is
this is so sketchy. Like no lights.
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No lights, no lights.
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Our customers do not want to be seen. Just
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scripted.
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So, you know.
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Just turn off the lights.
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That's what they asked for.
It is what they're paying for it.
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Yeah,
I thought it was. Pretty funny, actually.
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Wow. Oh, Greyhound to Oklahoma.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Because, you know, I don't know how it is
for the rest of Germany, but I assume
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Germany in itself is more
the public transportation is a lot better.
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Like, you can access different places
than, say, Oklahoma was, you know.
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Like, you know, there's nothing,
you know, not so much around.
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Right.
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There's football. There's. Oh yeah.
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There's Greyhound busses.
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People are generally very nice though
like very thoughtful.
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Okay.
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I feel like
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nice people actually barbecue football
I mean I you mentioned already I think.
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Oh barbecue football okay.
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Nice. Yeah.
The barbecue must have been good.
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How the barbecue is good.
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I mean the, the Sooners
maybe you know them.
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The Sooners as soon as. Yeah.
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Yeah this is a good quite a big club.
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And they had 80,000 people
I think in the stadium.
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So the stadium is huge
is massive for a college stadium
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because I thought the university
has 80,000 people stadium in Europe.
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That's kind of like Allianz
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Arena of Munich, you know,
which is like a big soccer football.
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Yeah. But wow.
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Okay.
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Just the college team which has like such
a big stadium was a shock for me.
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That must have been.
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Yeah.
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Because our college football
is, like, serious, like serious stuff.
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Yeah. Very serious.
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It's like whole economies,
like this whole town's meant
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for just the college is crazy.
00;17;00;05 - 00;17;03;26
Yeah, it was like the city called Norman,
which is next to, Oklahoma City.
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And it was the university,
I think, and that's basically it.
00;17;06;23 - 00;17;09;23
But it was a great experience
because you lived on the campus.
00;17;09;27 - 00;17;11;03
Many cool people.
00;17;11;03 - 00;17;13;15
You live with students,
all your neighbors are just students.
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It's like 100 person student city.
You know what I mean.
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Yeah I
it was actually super cool actually.
00;17;18;13 - 00;17;19;26
Hey I'm so okay.
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So those are the culture shocks
you saw like the, the college football,
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how serious it is.
00;17;25;03 - 00;17;27;07
Obviously the big trucks and everything
huge.
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You know, people got big wheels
for no reason, right? They got nothing.
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A pickup truck.
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What were some other, like,
cultural differences that you experienced
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when used in Oklahoma?
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Oh, yeah.
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Man, I was taking Uber car
and I was saying to the guy like,
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we were all international students,
and one person was from Spain.
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She was from Spain, I was from Germany.
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I think another guy was from Poland.
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And and then and then I asked the Uber
driver, just where do you think I'm from?
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And he looked at me and I was like,
I don't know, man.
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Maybe Turkey.
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I mean, I'm
not like from the South, like, racist.
00;18;00;27 - 00;18;02;11
That's over.
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Only my first guess, you know,
I mean, could be right.
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But so I guess blond blue eyes, guys.
00;18;07;18 - 00;18;10;27
But I would rather guess
that you're north or something, you know?
00;18;10;27 - 00;18;14;22
You know what's funny
for up for Uber driver Oklahoma.
00;18;14;24 - 00;18;16;27
That's that's actually surprisingly good.
00;18;16;27 - 00;18;20;02
I would go that far to be like oh Turkey
because not
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that's not a lot of people guesses.
00;18;21;19 - 00;18;24;19
Oh when it comes to like European or like,
you know, far away
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from the United States
type of, geography that I was.
00;18;27;25 - 00;18;29;07
I'm not surprised you said that.
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Okay. I, I was I was surprised, right?
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I mean, not I mean, you know, not to be,
you know, also as well, but I mean,
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you know, blond hair, blue eyes.
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There's a lot of other countries
that have that.
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More likely Netherlands or something.
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I thought, you know, if you make a first
guess. Yeah. Turkey not so much.
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And then the second guess actually was
I think Iraq though that was pretty off.
00;18;45;24 - 00;18;47;18
I that's not. Oh.
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And then I told him no, it's Germany.
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And he said to me,
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oh, I have also done this DNA test.
00;18;54;21 - 00;18;57;21
I'm also partly German
and I was like, bro,
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I mean, you have done this test
and you know, you're probably German,
00;19;00;09 - 00;19;03;23
maybe of the past ancestors,
but you cannot make a guess.
00;19;03;23 - 00;19;05;12
Yeah, he was far off.
00;19;05;12 - 00;19;06;08
Oh, yeah.
00;19;06;08 - 00;19;07;03
That's great. Hold on.
00;19;07;03 - 00;19;09;12
But he said I rag turkey.
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I get no issue with those places.
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It is very far, like very wrong. Yeah.
00;19;13;27 - 00;19;17;22
So I was really shocked how bad he knew
geography in that moment. Wow.
00;19;17;23 - 00;19;21;20
Like because I think you can ask
almost any person in Germany
00;19;21;20 - 00;19;24;12
they wouldn't make such a bad guess. Yeah.
00;19;24;12 - 00;19;26;19
I wonder if Uber drivers would make an
okay guess.
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I'm pretty sure about that.
00;19;27;19 - 00;19;30;21
You know, maybe maybe he maybe
he looked at things like, oh, Germany.
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But it's too easy.
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He was like, he's like, let's, let's,
let's go far.
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Let's let's see. No.
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But he also said, then the other guy
said, she's from Spain.
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And I think he said, oh,
that's nice. You're from South America.
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That's such a classic.
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I said, it's just this classic stereotype
which came through.
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I saw it with my own eyes, you know.
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I heard it with my own eyes.
I was like people make that joke.
00;19;52;10 - 00;19;55;08
Then some people think that Spain
is in South America.
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It's not, you know, oh, man.
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It's just like, oh, you're so close, man.
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You mentioned these far places
far away from America, Turkey, Iraq.
00;20;02;21 - 00;20;05;13
And then you somebody says Spain,
oh, South America like Mexico, right?
00;20;05;13 - 00;20;06;28
It's like, yeah.
00;20;06;28 - 00;20;08;28
It's like, damn,
I thought you was well traveled.
00;20;08;28 - 00;20;09;21
Yeah, yeah.
00;20;09;21 - 00;20;12;25
It was like, yeah,
I think he never left the US actually.
00;20;13;02 - 00;20;13;29
I mean, clearly,
00;20;13;29 - 00;20;16;26
I mean, if he said, have you heard Spain
and then thought South America.
00;20;16;26 - 00;20;18;25
Yeah. So actually this was a culture shock
for me.
00;20;18;25 - 00;20;21;22
Heard of it was it was interesting.
00;20;21;22 - 00;20;22;00
Yeah.
00;20;22;00 - 00;20;26;05
Oklahoma unfortunately is one of those
places where so in the middle of America,
00;20;26;14 - 00;20;30;02
they're like the stereotypes
tend to come out a lot more.
00;20;30;02 - 00;20;34;09
Let me say though, so isolated
like any like even when it comes to like,
00;20;34;14 - 00;20;35;26
Spanish speaking people is usually from
00;20;35;26 - 00;20;39;07
the south, so, like, they don't even,
like, you know, you got, like, obviously,
00;20;39;12 - 00;20;43;13
Caribbean, like Dominican Puerto
Rico or stuff like this.
00;20;43;13 - 00;20;46;18
People I know that's from the central part
of the United States, that anyone
00;20;46;18 - 00;20;49;26
who speaks Spanish is like Mexican
or South American or Central American.
00;20;50;00 - 00;20;52;24
Yeah. And it's like, well, this, this,
you know, Spain.
00;20;52;24 - 00;20;55;04
That's unfortunately
where the source of Spanish comes from.
00;20;55;04 - 00;20;56;19
Unfortunately,
00;20;56;19 - 00;21;00;19
you know, also, you know, you have other
Caribbean islands, you know, but yeah.
00;21;00;27 - 00;21;03;11
Yeah. I said just funny experience. Yeah.
00;21;04;12 - 00;21;06;17
I have another
experience I would like to share and.
00;21;06;17 - 00;21;08;04
Yes, please. One. Yeah.
00;21;08;04 - 00;21;11;04
I was traveling once to Utah
and I was like,
00;21;11;12 - 00;21;15;08
camping there in this BLM land,
the land of the United States people
00;21;15;08 - 00;21;17;00
I think they say
there's no law or something.
00;21;17;00 - 00;21;19;08
Right? Interesting.
No state land, BLM land.
00;21;19;08 - 00;21;19;25
Have you heard of.
00;21;19;25 - 00;21;21;20
The bill. Of BLM?
00;21;21;20 - 00;21;23;27
I think it's called BLM. BLM.
00;21;23;27 - 00;21;25;23
Oh, you know how it stands for Black Lives
Matter.
00;21;25;23 - 00;21;31;09
But like yeah, I a BLM land I'm like,
what is what what does it stand for?
00;21;31;09 - 00;21;33;00
It is exactly what it stands for.
00;21;33;00 - 00;21;36;22
But I know that it's kind of land
where the state doesn't operate on.
00;21;36;22 - 00;21;41;09
It's kind of like, I don't know, I think
federal law is still active on this.
00;21;42;11 - 00;21;44;13
The law
of the United States is still like this,
00;21;44;13 - 00;21;47;21
but not the law of the states
or something like this. Wow.
00;21;47;21 - 00;21;50;24
I don't take me like this for granted,
but it's some specific land,
00;21;50;24 - 00;21;52;23
and you can camp there for free,
and you can, like,
00;21;52;23 - 00;21;56;03
drive around with your motorbike
there and stuff, but it's not maintained.
00;21;56;03 - 00;21;57;29
So it's very likely wherever.
00;21;57;29 - 00;22;01;21
So me and my friend, we went to Utah
to hike, Zion National Park
00;22;02;04 - 00;22;05;26
and we went to this BLM land
and I said, wow, this is pretty cool.
00;22;05;26 - 00;22;08;11
So we saw, like to put out a tent
somewhere.
00;22;08;11 - 00;22;11;05
We drove with the car
and it was like crazy hilly.
00;22;11;05 - 00;22;11;11
Yeah.
00;22;11;11 - 00;22;13;28
And certain point
we were like, man, this too much.
00;22;13;28 - 00;22;15;15
It's just put our attention.
00;22;15;15 - 00;22;18;17
And we were looking and there was one guy
who was maybe, like his ten of us,
00;22;19;09 - 00;22;22;09
50, 100m away, I think 50m, maybe.
00;22;22;13 - 00;22;24;25
So in feet, that would be about 150ft.
00;22;26;01 - 00;22;28;16
So and we were putting our tent
00;22;28;16 - 00;22;31;24
and we were like trying to sleep
very early because next day we wanted
00;22;31;24 - 00;22;35;25
to go to do the subway hike in Zion
National Park, which is cool, really cool.
00;22;35;25 - 00;22;37;15
You hike through tunnel.
00;22;37;15 - 00;22;39;03
Wow. And I tried to sleep.
00;22;39;03 - 00;22;44;06
We went to sleep very early and my friend
took like a CBD pill to fall asleep fast.
00;22;44;06 - 00;22;49;23
I didn't and and then at midnight
I woke up because it was so loud music.
00;22;50;09 - 00;22;54;18
And so I woke up and I was like,
then I took some earplugs.
00;22;54;18 - 00;22;57;08
I put them into my ear.
I was like, okay, let's try to sleep.
00;22;57;08 - 00;22;59;08
But the music was so light
I couldn't sleep.
00;22;59;08 - 00;23;01;11
And next day
we had to wake up at like 4 or 5 a.m.
00;23;01;11 - 00;23;03;11
because we wanted to do the subway hike.
00;23;03;11 - 00;23;05;06
Yeah,
we want to do it before the sun rises,
00;23;05;06 - 00;23;08;06
because then it's too cold in a too
hot and stuff.
00;23;08;08 - 00;23;11;01
And so I saw it kick and it's deep.
00;23;11;01 - 00;23;13;03
Let's
maybe go over to the guy on the other tent
00;23;13;03 - 00;23;15;16
and ask him if he can reduce a bit
the music.
00;23;15;16 - 00;23;18;02
So I go out of the tent,
I open the tent, I look outside.
00;23;18;02 - 00;23;20;04
He has a very big pick up car.
00;23;20;04 - 00;23;21;12
Pick up car was still running.
00;23;21;12 - 00;23;22;21
I was like, man, this is stupid.
00;23;22;21 - 00;23;24;11
You and your tent,
why do you have your car running?
00;23;26;00 - 00;23;27;13
I go over to the tent,
00;23;27;13 - 00;23;30;11
very loud music, I say,
00;23;30;11 - 00;23;32;29
excuse me sir,
can you maybe turn off the music
00;23;32;29 - 00;23;37;29
or turn it down a bit and then no sound,
just like, loud music continues.
00;23;37;29 - 00;23;39;22
Nobody answers.
00;23;39;22 - 00;23;42;01
I hear, like, two dogs barking,
and then I'm so.
00;23;42;01 - 00;23;43;22
Okay. Maybe try it again.
00;23;43;22 - 00;23;47;02
Hey, yo, I'm just, like,
have to wake up very early.
00;23;47;02 - 00;23;50;07
Maybe you can, like, turn down a bit
the music, because I tried to sleep,
00;23;51;01 - 00;23;53;29
and then, music is decreased a bit.
00;23;53;29 - 00;23;56;29
I just to avoid, voice of him.
00;23;57;01 - 00;23;57;26
Man. Do you want that?
00;23;57;26 - 00;23;59;19
I fucking shoot you or what?
00;23;59;19 - 00;24;02;02
I said, whoa, bro.
00;24;02;02 - 00;24;04;01
No stress.
I'm talking to this tent boy, right?
00;24;04;01 - 00;24;05;16
I don't know who is behind the tent.
00;24;05;16 - 00;24;06;27
I just talk to this tent right now.
00;24;06;27 - 00;24;08;18
Tent is talking with me, so. No, no.
00;24;08;18 - 00;24;09;27
No stress. Relax. Oh, good.
00;24;09;27 - 00;24;13;14
I just wanted to ask very kindly,
you know, would it be possible with.
00;24;13;22 - 00;24;15;22
Don't that you turn it
completely off, man?
00;24;15;22 - 00;24;18;05
I go fucking no out of my tent.
I'm going to shoot you.
00;24;18;05 - 00;24;20;06
I said no, no, no, no stress.
00;24;20;06 - 00;24;22;26
Relax, my friend, we're all good. Yeah,
I didn't mean no.
00;24;22;26 - 00;24;24;20
Oh, shit. And then.
00;24;24;20 - 00;24;28;06
He opened, the tent and he's like,
where are you fucking from?
00;24;28;06 - 00;24;30;05
And they said, oh,
I'm from, I'm from Europe.
00;24;30;05 - 00;24;32;21
I am just here to hike to Zion
National Park.
00;24;32;21 - 00;24;34;14
Man, this is, BLM land.
00;24;34;14 - 00;24;35;27
This is the U.S land.
00;24;35;27 - 00;24;37;09
This is like, not your land.
00;24;37;09 - 00;24;40;21
And then my friend woke up and he,
he's American.
00;24;40;21 - 00;24;43;15
He's got cancer,
and he said he was on CBD.
00;24;43;15 - 00;24;44;28
And because of that,
he was tripping a bit.
00;24;44;28 - 00;24;46;22
And he said he was dreaming this.
00;24;46;22 - 00;24;48;29
And then he realized, oh,
this voice is he hears right now.
00;24;48;29 - 00;24;50;08
It's like, not the dream.
00;24;50;08 - 00;24;51;29
It's kind of the reality right now.
00;24;51;29 - 00;24;53;06
Me being in this convey.
00;24;53;06 - 00;24;54;13
They should use this dude, right?
00;24;54;13 - 00;24;56;15
And he steps out of the ten like hectic.
00;24;56;15 - 00;24;59;09
Hey hey bro bro bro. Oh good. Oh good.
00;24;59;09 - 00;25;00;05
Relax, relax.
00;25;00;05 - 00;25;02;01
We are all calm down here. Calm down.
00;25;02;01 - 00;25;04;14
And we are going to move.
We are going to move somewhere else.
00;25;04;14 - 00;25;05;22
You can't play your music.
00;25;05;22 - 00;25;08;08
And here it are.
These two German Shepherd dogs you know.
00;25;08;08 - 00;25;11;02
And so I walk back like, yo bro,
no worries.
00;25;11;02 - 00;25;13;01
Like bug slowly back to the tent.
00;25;13;01 - 00;25;15;24
We pack our stuff
and we drive away somewhere else.
00;25;15;24 - 00;25;19;04
And I saw this was so crazy
because I've heard stories
00;25;19;04 - 00;25;23;10
that in the US, people can shoot fast,
and then maybe it's self-defense.
00;25;23;21 - 00;25;27;17
And I saw like crazy story actually,
that I was like so involved in this story.
00;25;27;17 - 00;25;30;20
It was like a funny, crazy,
dangerous story in that moment.
00;25;30;29 - 00;25;33;04
But afterwards,
I think it's quite a funny story now.
00;25;33;04 - 00;25;34;16
I can laugh about it. Well, yeah.
00;25;34;16 - 00;25;36;17
I mean, clearly because you, you know.
Yeah, you're alive.
00;25;36;17 - 00;25;37;08
So please, like,
00;25;37;08 - 00;25;40;24
you got to always laugh about it, you
know, it could have gone completely wrong.
00;25;41;01 - 00;25;44;08
But on so a couple things come out of that
that's actually very interesting.
00;25;44;12 - 00;25;46;29
And I think some cultural differences
are going to come out of it.
00;25;46;29 - 00;25;49;12
So first is that you're in you're in this,
00;25;50;24 - 00;25;51;06
okay.
00;25;51;06 - 00;25;52;16
It's I think, yeah.
00;25;52;16 - 00;25;55;25
Because you know, me saying BLM
very different.
00;25;55;25 - 00;25;58;14
So I'm just like,
is this okay? I think you can look it up.
00;25;58;14 - 00;26;01;06
I think it's called
BLM land. Okay. BML land.
00;26;01;06 - 00;26;04;06
Okay, a free land.
00;26;04;06 - 00;26;05;03
A land. Okay.
00;26;05;03 - 00;26;07;18
So be a BLM land or something, right.
00;26;07;18 - 00;26;09;22
So this land you're on, right.
00;26;09;22 - 00;26;13;28
And, I think what's different for me
is that the confidence you had.
00;26;14;12 - 00;26;15;13
Hey, this is at nighttime.
00;26;15;13 - 00;26;18;13
Yo. Nighttime. Midnight. Yeah. Oh, so.
00;26;18;22 - 00;26;21;00
Okay, so maybe this is me as an American
as well.
00;26;21;00 - 00;26;22;19
I'm, like, looking at this, like. Whoa.
00;26;22;19 - 00;26;25;20
So first is that here's a couple things
coming at me, right?
00;26;25;20 - 00;26;28;02
First is that you guys
put earplugs on the outside, right?
00;26;28;02 - 00;26;28;15
Yeah. There's.
00;26;28;15 - 00;26;29;23
I saw this already. Ridiculous.
00;26;29;23 - 00;26;32;00
Already. Like, whoa. Okay.
00;26;32;00 - 00;26;34;15
Are there bears in this place
or any later?
00;26;34;15 - 00;26;36;10
Wow. No, I didn't put them on first.
00;26;36;10 - 00;26;38;23
They just said the music was very loud
and I had them in my pocket.
00;26;38;23 - 00;26;40;25
Is like, okay, let's put them. Okay.
00;26;40;25 - 00;26;42;01
It didn't work, you know?
00;26;42;01 - 00;26;43;05
Oh, wow. Was that loud?
00;26;43;05 - 00;26;44;27
You walked over to the guy.
00;26;44;27 - 00;26;45;25
Okay. You say 100?
00;26;45;25 - 00;26;48;17
Yeah. 50m. So 150ft, roughly.
00;26;48;17 - 00;26;49;08
So like that. Yeah.
00;26;49;08 - 00;26;50;12
So that's like close.
00;26;50;12 - 00;26;52;16
Yeah. It's not so far. Yeah. Yeah.
00;26;52;16 - 00;26;53;19
I don't know, close in the US
00;26;53;19 - 00;26;55;22
means something different than in Europe,
I think.
00;26;55;22 - 00;26;56;21
Yeah.
00;26;56;21 - 00;27;00;20
I think what we're realizing here is that,
I don't know how close either
00;27;00;21 - 00;27;03;12
those measurements are. I got to, like,
think, really think about it. But,
00;27;04;11 - 00;27;04;20
it's.
00;27;04;20 - 00;27;07;17
Like,
kind of on the other side of the street.
00;27;07;17 - 00;27;09;17
Okay, so let's get this close. This close?
00;27;09;17 - 00;27;10;27
Yeah. It's not like close.
00;27;10;27 - 00;27;13;16
It's not like I'm sleeping here
and you're sleeping there, right?
00;27;13;16 - 00;27;14;23
The true true, true, true.
00;27;14;23 - 00;27;18;00
Quite like maybe a block away
or something like this.
00;27;18;00 - 00;27;18;24
Okay, okay.
00;27;18;24 - 00;27;21;04
So a block away. Okay.
So that's loud. That's very loud. Yeah.
00;27;21;04 - 00;27;21;17
So you know.
00;27;21;17 - 00;27;24;17
But then to go to the tents
and be like yeah.
00;27;25;02 - 00;27;28;15
Because one thing about tents nighttime
I think about scary movies,
00;27;28;21 - 00;27;30;10
I think about like kidnaping.
00;27;30;10 - 00;27;33;10
I think about all those people
that lurk on my to
00;27;34;00 - 00;27;36;17
I'm so paranoid driven, maybe
I don't know, that's an American thing.
00;27;36;17 - 00;27;39;22
No, it is a cultural thing,
like being out in the wilderness.
00;27;39;22 - 00;27;40;18
I'm just, like, nervous.
00;27;40;18 - 00;27;42;07
I'm just like, yo, suppose I get lost?
00;27;42;07 - 00;27;43;25
Suppose somebody want to do something.
00;27;43;25 - 00;27;45;17
So right out of confidence,
go to the tent.
00;27;45;17 - 00;27;46;21
I'm like, whoa, what?
00;27;46;21 - 00;27;48;05
I think in Europe it's very normal.
00;27;48;05 - 00;27;52;04
Let's say we have a house party here
in your flat and we would like be loud.
00;27;52;04 - 00;27;55;27
Then the neighbor may come up at
one and say, hey guys, look, I enjoy that.
00;27;55;27 - 00;27;58;03
I see you have a nice time.
Enjoy the party.
00;27;58;03 - 00;27;59;00
I would just like to sleep.
00;27;59;00 - 00;28;00;19
Maybe you can degrees with the volume
00;28;00;19 - 00;28;02;10
that you would talk to the guy at the door
and you would say,
00;28;02;10 - 00;28;05;15
yeah, okay, we decrease a bit
the the bass or something like this
00;28;05;16 - 00;28;07;12
so you can sleep, rest
and have a good time.
00;28;07;12 - 00;28;08;02
Yeah.
00;28;08;02 - 00;28;10;10
So, so like maybe
that's exactly the same thing.
00;28;10;10 - 00;28;10;29
Okay.
00;28;10;29 - 00;28;13;21
Not that dude did exactly what I thought
it was going to happen
00;28;13;21 - 00;28;15;14
when she's like, hey, I got it done.
00;28;15;14 - 00;28;17;04
It's like could get away.
00;28;17;04 - 00;28;19;05
Be like, oh, I was like.
00;28;19;05 - 00;28;19;17
You know.
00;28;19;17 - 00;28;20;17
No conversation at.
00;28;20;17 - 00;28;23;22
All. It's like, whoa,
hey, let's just, you know, pleasantries.
00;28;23;22 - 00;28;25;19
Hello. My name is young.
00;28;25;19 - 00;28;27;14
Your name is.
00;28;27;14 - 00;28;29;20
And he's like,
no, my name is. I got a gun.
00;28;30;25 - 00;28;31;18
It's like, oh, shit.
00;28;31;18 - 00;28;31;29
All right.
00;28;31;29 - 00;28;34;04
Well, nice to meet you all,
so I'll leave you to it.
00;28;34;04 - 00;28;36;02
I, Exactly.
00;28;36;02 - 00;28;38;05
That's a crazy, damn crazy story.
00;28;38;05 - 00;28;40;10
Wow. You
one of the weirdest stories of my life.
00;28;40;10 - 00;28;43;19
I think, bro, I mean, did that change
the way you started?
00;28;43;19 - 00;28;46;18
Like, walking around now?
Because I'm still the same.
00;28;46;18 - 00;28;49;04
You know, sometimes I think, like,
only because one thing happens
00;28;49;04 - 00;28;51;27
shouldn't change your whole perspective
on how you see the world.
00;28;51;27 - 00;28;52;06
True.
00;28;52;06 - 00;28;54;10
Sometimes I think, for example,
there are laws made that
00;28;54;10 - 00;28;55;22
maybe you're not allowed to
00;28;55;22 - 00;28;58;16
swim in the river because one person
died of swimming in the river.
00;28;58;16 - 00;29;00;22
But why do we have to make it all
for everyone?
00;29;00;22 - 00;29;04;00
Only because one guy was, stupid
or one person, you know?
00;29;04;14 - 00;29;06;17
So, like, why do we have to hike?
00;29;06;17 - 00;29;09;16
Only because one person was stupid doesn't
mean the rest of the world is stupid.
00;29;09;18 - 00;29;12;00
Yeah, so I don't didn't change my view.
00;29;12;00 - 00;29;14;03
It was just a funny encounter.
00;29;14;03 - 00;29;15;26
But maybe next time
I would camp in the world.
00;29;15;26 - 00;29;18;14
In the US,
I wouldn't maybe do this. Yeah. Yeah.
00;29;18;14 - 00;29;22;15
Oh, yeah, I mean, that or,
I don't know, find a place where there's
00;29;22;15 - 00;29;24;05
no tents or something. Yeah.
00;29;24;05 - 00;29;25;25
You know. Yeah, maybe a bit further away.
00;29;25;25 - 00;29;28;16
Yeah. Respect their space. Yeah. Respect.
00;29;28;16 - 00;29;29;21
Yeah. Respect this space.
00;29;29;21 - 00;29;31;12
Because I thought at least
a guy named Connor
00;29;31;12 - 00;29;33;13
will help you out or something, like.
Hey, my name is Connor.
00;29;33;13 - 00;29;35;04
He. But. Oh. All right,
come on. I have a bunch of them.
00;29;35;04 - 00;29;36;06
Connor Angle shows.
00;29;36;06 - 00;29;38;29
You, but, like, I didn't have so much.
00;29;38;29 - 00;29;39;16
The guy was.
00;29;39;16 - 00;29;41;27
I say, I think maybe a bit drunk
or something, you know?
00;29;41;27 - 00;29;42;24
Oh, damn.
00;29;42;24 - 00;29;43;17
That is. Wow.
00;29;43;17 - 00;29;45;28
I mean, hey, maybe the accent saved you,
because maybe that.
00;29;45;28 - 00;29;46;26
Pause him a little bit.
00;29;46;26 - 00;29;48;01
You know, he's kind of like,
all right, well,
00;29;48;01 - 00;29;49;28
you you know, Europeans
don't have guns, right?
00;29;49;28 - 00;29;52;11
You know, I nothing like. Oh,
so I don't have to shoot you now.
00;29;54;07 - 00;29;54;27
Maybe later.
00;29;54;27 - 00;29;56;12
Yeah. Later. Yeah.
00;29;56;12 - 00;29;57;28
He's like, why don't I do it now?
00;29;57;28 - 00;29;59;13
Oh, so you like a good thing for you?
00;29;59;13 - 00;30;01;10
Your accent. Yeah.
00;30;01;10 - 00;30;02;21
So there. You go.
00;30;02;21 - 00;30;03;29
And save me the thing for you.
00;30;03;29 - 00;30;06;10
And you're half Iraqi,
half Turkish accent.
00;30;06;10 - 00;30;08;14
Oh my god. Wow.
00;30;08;14 - 00;30;09;18
Pretty good joke, actually.
00;30;09;18 - 00;30;11;10
It saved you.
00;30;11;10 - 00;30;12;23
You lived here. You here now?
00;30;12;23 - 00;30;14;18
Yeah, but. Wow. Okay.
00;30;14;18 - 00;30;16;20
And you so use hiking a lot out there.
Yeah.
00;30;16;20 - 00;30;18;06
Here we are. Hiking a lot. Like.
00;30;18;06 - 00;30;20;09
Yeah. This is great for hiking right.
00;30;20;09 - 00;30;21;03
I like it.
00;30;21;03 - 00;30;22;22
Is that something you did before going
there.
00;30;22;22 - 00;30;25;01
That's just like you
just well hey I'm a United States.
00;30;25;01 - 00;30;27;20
Why I do it.
No I already did it on my life and us.
00;30;27;20 - 00;30;29;01
You have so many great places.
00;30;29;01 - 00;30;31;20
Yosemite National Park, Joshua tree park.
00;30;31;20 - 00;30;34;25
Yeah, Zion
National Park, Big Sur you have,
00;30;36;14 - 00;30;39;05
so there's many cool
places you can also do nice hikes and.
00;30;39;05 - 00;30;41;28
Right. Yeah. This is true. Oh, wow.
00;30;41;28 - 00;30;42;24
I like it.
00;30;42;24 - 00;30;43;15
When you look.
00;30;43;15 - 00;30;46;11
You live in like that. Oklahoma.
Okay. Drive there. Yeah.
00;30;46;11 - 00;30;47;13
And then like Oklahoma.
00;30;47;13 - 00;30;49;02
Then you say
you live in a couple different
00;30;49;02 - 00;30;50;29
I mean, so many different cities
in Europe from,
00;30;50;29 - 00;30;53;06
you know, say you and in Barcelona,
you said. Right.
00;30;53;06 - 00;30;55;03
Madrid. Madrid. Sorry. Madrid.
00;30;55;03 - 00;30;57;23
Paris. Amsterdam. Wow.
00;30;57;23 - 00;31;00;12
So out of so out of all those places.
00;31;00;12 - 00;31;03;05
I mean, you live in Berlin now,
but out of all those places, aside
00;31;03;05 - 00;31;06;22
from Oklahoma, what has been like
the most like, I guess interesting place
00;31;07;05 - 00;31;10;05
you lived in
or you had interesting experiences?
00;31;11;12 - 00;31;12;15
I think actually.
00;31;12;15 - 00;31;13;26
Berlin.
00;31;13;26 - 00;31;15;13
I think Berlin is an interesting place.
00;31;15;13 - 00;31;17;08
Like I met for example, you
I think in Berlin
00;31;17;08 - 00;31;19;04
you can meet many,
many interesting people.
00;31;19;04 - 00;31;22;21
It's like so diverse
and so also random a bit.
00;31;22;21 - 00;31;25;10
Right.
Everybody has a bit of a random story.
00;31;25;10 - 00;31;28;01
I don't know 100 person
your story right now, but I'm pretty sure
00;31;28;01 - 00;31;29;02
that's an interesting story.
00;31;29;02 - 00;31;32;28
And anybody you meet here
came kind of to Berlin at a certain point
00;31;33;07 - 00;31;36;15
because they have something random
in their backstory, you know what I mean?
00;31;36;28 - 00;31;40;24
Like maybe somebody who is born
in, in South, South Africa,
00;31;41;01 - 00;31;43;23
then raised in Singapore
and actually moved to Berlin
00;31;43;23 - 00;31;45;01
because Berlin is kind of like a place
00;31;45;01 - 00;31;46;26
where international kind of
anybody can come here.
00;31;46;26 - 00;31;50;28
It's and sometimes when they feel like
they are not part of any kind of thing,
00;31;51;15 - 00;31;53;05
they are part of something in Berlin.
00;31;53;05 - 00;31;54;15
Because and maybe that's
00;31;54;15 - 00;31;57;15
why I'm also here, you know, you see,
I have lived in so many places,
00;31;57;19 - 00;32;02;09
I have sometimes a hard time
to identify myself, like who I do.
00;32;02;09 - 00;32;05;22
I belong to
and I feel like maybe that's also a one.
00;32;05;22 - 00;32;08;01
For the reasons why I'm in Berlin.
It's just an assumption to make right now.
00;32;08;01 - 00;32;09;25
I've never thought about it, like,
deeply, but.
00;32;09;25 - 00;32;12;25
I think you bring up a good point, though,
and I think even with like,
00;32;13;17 - 00;32;16;07
I mean, kind of sort of
like the theme of this show or this,
00;32;16;07 - 00;32;17;19
podcast, like their culture,
00;32;18;24 - 00;32;19;27
like being a third culture
00;32;19;27 - 00;32;23;22
kid is like about you're from one culture,
but you're living in different cultures.
00;32;23;28 - 00;32;26;21
So now you're coming up with your own
new culture, your third culture.
00;32;26;21 - 00;32;27;04
So, like,
00;32;27;04 - 00;32;30;24
I would imagine you living in these,
you know, I mean, Madrid is different.
00;32;31;04 - 00;32;32;11
You know, Switzerland's different.
00;32;32;11 - 00;32;34;05
I mean, completely different
from the two, right?
00;32;34;05 - 00;32;36;26
Yeah. Very different.
Using Oklahoma. Right.
00;32;36;26 - 00;32;41;05
You know, so you you're creating
a different culture, probably to the point
00;32;41;05 - 00;32;44;16
that you used to go back home, people
looking at you like, who are you?
00;32;44;29 - 00;32;46;22
Yeah. I couldn't
go back to the north of Germany.
00;32;46;22 - 00;32;49;08
I think I'm too far off now.
00;32;49;08 - 00;32;50;24
I ain't too far.
00;32;50;24 - 00;32;52;04
You're like, I don't even.
00;32;52;04 - 00;32;53;02
I don't even know what the hell you know.
00;32;53;02 - 00;32;55;09
They say they do. You go to talk anymore?
00;32;55;09 - 00;32;57;24
Yeah. You're like, I don't even know.
I mean, you should even,
00;32;59;01 - 00;33;01;09
I would even imagine even Switzerland
a bit, you know?
00;33;01;09 - 00;33;04;27
I know you just moved from there,
but still, like, Switzerland seem.
00;33;04;27 - 00;33;06;12
I mean, what part of Switzerland,
actually.
00;33;06;12 - 00;33;09;06
Zurich. Zurich. Okay. As they say.
00;33;09;06 - 00;33;11;02
Zurich does.
00;33;11;02 - 00;33;12;21
Okay. Well, this is how they look at this.
00;33;12;21 - 00;33;13;04
Yeah.
00;33;13;04 - 00;33;14;09
To, do.
00;33;14;09 - 00;33;17;01
Like, they don't do this in the, in.
00;33;17;01 - 00;33;18;08
City Zurich.
00;33;18;08 - 00;33;20;04
Yeah. Wow. Damn.
00;33;20;04 - 00;33;22;03
That's like that's like Swiss-German.
00;33;22;03 - 00;33;23;12
Yeah. Swiss German is a bit like.
00;33;23;12 - 00;33;24;25
It's glitzy.
00;33;24;25 - 00;33;26;09
It's. Good question.
00;33;26;09 - 00;33;28;20
Oh. Oh, bro. That sounds.
00;33;28;20 - 00;33;31;20
I mean, do people
struggle in Germany to understand?
00;33;32;15 - 00;33;33;12
Oh, that's a great question.
00;33;33;12 - 00;33;36;12
Very first time I move to Switzerland,
I was like,
00;33;36;20 - 00;33;40;10
oh, man, I swear I can understand this,
but it's like I always,
00;33;41;01 - 00;33;43;19
translated into this,
you know, when you're in the shower
00;33;43;19 - 00;33;46;19
and you have this kind of glass,
which is a bit like milky,
00;33;46;29 - 00;33;49;28
so you can look through it
and you can see there's another person
00;33;49;28 - 00;33;52;06
on the other side,
but you of really recognize it.
00;33;52;06 - 00;33;55;13
And this is how I saw
the Swiss dialect is like,
00;33;55;13 - 00;33;59;00
I can't see what they kind of say,
but I cannot see the chop.
00;34;00;10 - 00;34;01;29
Oh, if I don't wear my glasses
00;34;01;29 - 00;34;05;27
kind of like this, I can walk around
and I can see, but I don't see sharp. Wow.
00;34;05;28 - 00;34;07;13
So it's like subconscious the other time.
00;34;07;13 - 00;34;10;09
Slightly.
00;34;10;09 - 00;34;11;04
Bothering me.
00;34;11;04 - 00;34;14;07
But after some time you get it like once
you know that, for example, XY
00;34;14;08 - 00;34;17;07
means give is an, which is like a word
they use many times.
00;34;17;23 - 00;34;20;23
The first time you hear XY, you are like,
this is so far from is an
00;34;21;10 - 00;34;24;17
like which is you would never get it,
but once you know it, it's kind of like,
00;34;24;17 - 00;34;28;10
okay, there's like a few words they,
they many times are used.
00;34;29;09 - 00;34;32;23
Then then once you know that they are used
and how they are
00;34;32;23 - 00;34;35;28
kind of 1 to 1 translation
is then you okay.
00;34;35;28 - 00;34;38;02
Because other kind of filler where it's
00;34;38;02 - 00;34;40;02
similar enough,
but other words are very different.
00;34;41;02 - 00;34;41;29
So you know what I mean.
00;34;41;29 - 00;34;45;25
You need to know these kind of key words,
which are very different. Wow.
00;34;45;27 - 00;34;47;06
Would you say?
00;34;47;06 - 00;34;47;25
That's interesting.
00;34;47;25 - 00;34;50;24
So you if you go back to Switzerland
now, you can like.
00;34;50;24 - 00;34;51;29
So one thing to understand.
00;34;51;29 - 00;34;53;26
But what you able to speak.
00;34;53;26 - 00;34;55;02
I wouldn't able to speak.
00;34;55;02 - 00;34;58;02
And I don't even know if Swiss
people would like me to speak.
00;35;00;15 - 00;35;00;28
New or like.
00;35;00;28 - 00;35;03;25
Okay, just to just stop saying hi German.
00;35;03;25 - 00;35;04;20
Yeah, I think so.
00;35;04;20 - 00;35;07;20
People, like, there are some Germans
who try to speak Swiss German.
00;35;07;21 - 00;35;09;04
But is this German people?
00;35;09;04 - 00;35;12;16
We always hear that they are not og Swiss
German people.
00;35;12;16 - 00;35;13;26
Even though you may try to,
00;35;13;26 - 00;35;17;15
as we speak their dialect, you know,
and then they say it sounds a bit weird.
00;35;17;25 - 00;35;20;20
So your bro just say you to your high
German.
00;35;20;20 - 00;35;23;23
I'm like, however you talk German,
I get you because they can understand
00;35;24;04 - 00;35;25;13
everyone.
00;35;25;13 - 00;35;29;07
But we will answer to you in Swiss-German
and you just answer to me in high German.
00;35;29;07 - 00;35;31;16
So it's basically like this,
you know that's so interesting.
00;35;31;16 - 00;35;33;03
So to speak to you is Swiss German,
00;35;33;03 - 00;35;35;09
but they want you to respond
back in High German. Yes, exactly.
00;35;35;09 - 00;35;36;17
Yes. Exactly how?
00;35;36;17 - 00;35;39;00
I don't know why,
but I sound very pretentious.
00;35;39;00 - 00;35;42;21
Like, very not pretentious, but very like,
you know, hey, you know, we speak to you
00;35;42;21 - 00;35;46;15
Swiss, German, you speak to us,
you know, in High German, we normally is.
00;35;46;15 - 00;35;47;21
Yeah, yeah.
00;35;47;21 - 00;35;50;01
Interesting. I mean,
but then also want to speak High German.
00;35;50;01 - 00;35;51;08
But to you, though.
00;35;51;08 - 00;35;54;13
They can,
but I think they don't enjoy it so much.
00;35;54;18 - 00;35;57;12
I mean, you are in Switzerland, right?
You're in there. Yeah, yeah. The culture.
00;35;57;12 - 00;36;00;13
And I mean, if if you really say
I don't get a single word
00;36;00;13 - 00;36;01;29
when you space with German.
00;36;01;29 - 00;36;02;07
Yeah.
00;36;02;07 - 00;36;06;13
Like, okay, I can speak German to you,
but if you say no, I can get Swiss German
00;36;06;13 - 00;36;08;07
if I go there now
and I would say no, I can get it,
00;36;08;07 - 00;36;11;18
then they will talk to me in Swiss German,
you know, because I think for them
00;36;11;27 - 00;36;15;17
it's like slightly more effort,
like a very little bit effort
00;36;15;17 - 00;36;16;16
to speak in High German
00;36;16;16 - 00;36;20;21
because it's like they're so used to speak
in Swiss German dialect to each other.
00;36;21;11 - 00;36;24;27
Then for them to switch
to a High German accent or whatever is,
00;36;24;27 - 00;36;28;29
like hard, it's like slightly work
for them, you know what I mean?
00;36;29;16 - 00;36;30;07
I see okay.
00;36;30;07 - 00;36;33;24
That brain, they have to, like, slightly
think more, I think.
00;36;34;00 - 00;36;34;19
Right.
00;36;34;19 - 00;36;35;21
Yeah, that makes sense.
00;36;35;21 - 00;36;38;08
So. Okay, so what made you move to Zurich?
00;36;39;16 - 00;36;40;27
I lived in San Francisco.
00;36;40;27 - 00;36;44;21
I work then a startup,
and then was Covid, and, and Covid.
00;36;44;21 - 00;36;47;02
Many people were that go biotech.
It was the startup.
00;36;47;02 - 00;36;50;02
And biotech went like,
I think 75% down during Covid.
00;36;50;28 - 00;36;52;00
So it was pretty hard hit.
00;36;52;00 - 00;36;53;28
And it I was not fired.
00;36;53;28 - 00;36;58;10
But I mean, it was kind of said, like,
probably you don't have a future here.
00;36;58;10 - 00;37;03;09
Like no growth companies paralyzed
companies also nowadays bankrupt, I think.
00;37;03;09 - 00;37;07;17
So took like 2 or 3 years
more until it finally went off.
00;37;07;17 - 00;37;09;17
But they struggled for some time.
00;37;09;17 - 00;37;10;18
But it was a great place.
00;37;10;18 - 00;37;13;17
I loved it, and I can only say good things
about my time there.
00;37;14;02 - 00;37;15;20
And then I was like,
with my ex-girlfriend.
00;37;15;20 - 00;37;19;24
We were like looking into the internet, like top ten cities to live into the world.
00;37;21;01 - 00;37;21;17
And it was
00;37;21;17 - 00;37;24;17
Switzerland, and she's Spanish
and I'm German.
00;37;24;25 - 00;37;26;19
And we were like,
00;37;26;19 - 00;37;29;07
maybe let's do that. Sounds okay.
00;37;29;07 - 00;37;31;27
So going between Spain and Germany,
it seems to be okay.
00;37;31;27 - 00;37;33;08
Well, let's try it.
00;37;33;08 - 00;37;37;01
And we moved to Duke and we got a job
there and live there for some time.
00;37;37;25 - 00;37;39;25
Wow. So that's how you moved there?
00;37;39;25 - 00;37;42;19
By going on the website and say, hey,
what are the top ten?
00;37;42;19 - 00;37;43;19
That's so interesting.
00;37;43;19 - 00;37;46;19
Yeah, I think it was like,
some of them are difficult
00;37;46;19 - 00;37;50;24
to go to because thing one was like,
was it Melbourne or something?
00;37;50;24 - 00;37;52;14
And I was like,
I don't have visa for that.
00;37;52;14 - 00;37;54;25
You know what I mean? Melbourne,
you know. What I mean? In Europe.
00;37;54;25 - 00;37;57;25
And there was Copenhagen also,
I think got mangoes in there, but I was
00;37;57;25 - 00;38;00;20
I studied my masters already in Copenhagen
and there was like
00;38;00;20 - 00;38;04;00
we had we like Copenhagen would come
hang was very dark in the winter.
00;38;04;29 - 00;38;06;09
I mean yeah, in Berlin, right.
00;38;06;09 - 00;38;08;29
Winters can be dark,
but it's even more north.
00;38;08;29 - 00;38;12;19
Even one, one hour lesson in the winter,
you know what I mean?
00;38;12;28 - 00;38;14;08
So one hour earlier down.
00;38;14;08 - 00;38;15;28
It's pretty hard hitting you. Yeah.
00;38;15;28 - 00;38;17;11
And what you for? North Germany.
00;38;17;11 - 00;38;19;08
But she's from Spain.
00;38;19;08 - 00;38;19;28
Oh, she. Yeah.
00;38;19;28 - 00;38;22;26
We're not anywhere together. But, I mean,
so it was like it was so difficult.
00;38;22;26 - 00;38;25;11
So we wanted to go a bit
more South Europe.
00;38;25;11 - 00;38;26;07
Center. Europe.
00;38;26;07 - 00;38;28;05
Yeah. Switzerland was just perfect fit.
00;38;28;05 - 00;38;28;29
Nice, bro.
00;38;28;29 - 00;38;30;26
Yeah, I Switzerland, okay.
00;38;30;26 - 00;38;33;12
They use living in,
you said, San Francisco.
00;38;33;12 - 00;38;34;05
So let's just go before,
00;38;34;05 - 00;38;37;00
you know, basically San Mateo,
if you know San Mateo.
00;38;37;00 - 00;38;39;10
No, I don't like. South of San Francisco.
00;38;39;10 - 00;38;39;19
Okay.
00;38;39;19 - 00;38;41;28
Because that friend, very good
food out there.
00;38;41;28 - 00;38;43;02
Yeah. Very nice. Yeah.
00;38;43;02 - 00;38;43;16
Yeah, yeah.
00;38;43;16 - 00;38;45;23
I mean, well you've been traveling around
so you. Had better Berlin.
00;38;45;23 - 00;38;48;23
That's a very cool like
so many international random spots here.
00;38;49;04 - 00;38;52;15
Yeah Berlin definitely has good food
I mean food from all over I guess.
00;38;53;00 - 00;38;54;07
The only thing that Berlin doesn't
00;38;54;07 - 00;38;57;25
have that maybe San Francisco has
or California is good Mexican food.
00;38;58;03 - 00;38;59;29
Mexican. Yeah. Burritos and stuff.
00;38;59;29 - 00;39;02;18
Yeah. Is something different out there
like. Yeah. Yeah.
00;39;02;18 - 00;39;06;01
Best best tacos. Best burritos.
00;39;06;01 - 00;39;08;29
All in California.
Yeah, yeah. Even in California.
00;39;08;29 - 00;39;10;06
Very good donuts.
00;39;10;06 - 00;39;14;10
Yeah I didn't, I didn't I would never
realize I went to some weird shop.
00;39;14;19 - 00;39;16;09
You know, I was like,
let me get some donuts.
00;39;16;09 - 00;39;18;14
That's some donuts. Best donuts
I had in my life.
00;39;18;14 - 00;39;20;22
Wow, that sounds nice. Yeah, I don't know.
00;39;20;22 - 00;39;22;24
What was your favorite donut?
Yeah, right. No.
00;39;22;24 - 00;39;23;23
You know what?
00;39;23;23 - 00;39;25;07
I ate an old fashioned donut.
00;39;25;07 - 00;39;27;03
They call it old fashioned
because there's nothing on it.
00;39;27;03 - 00;39;29;11
It's just literally just a donut
with no nothing inside.
00;39;29;11 - 00;39;32;07
Just the the
the bread and the sugar inside.
00;39;32;07 - 00;39;33;26
So I got that.
00;39;33;26 - 00;39;36;23
That tasted better than any donut
I had in my life.
00;39;36;23 - 00;39;37;23
I was so surprised.
00;39;37;23 - 00;39;39;28
I went to some weird shop now. Weird shop.
00;39;39;28 - 00;39;42;24
You know, it's like corner stores or delis
or they call them or something
00;39;42;24 - 00;39;46;15
when inside a convenience store,
when it's I got this donut, it was like,
00;39;46;15 - 00;39;47;20
oh, it's just on the shelf.
00;39;47;20 - 00;39;49;08
And the shop was on the little thing
it is.
00;39;49;08 - 00;39;52;24
No, you know, oh, here's the best donut.
00;39;52;24 - 00;39;55;07
I was just like, you want a donut?
Okay, that'll be $1 I cool.
00;39;55;07 - 00;39;56;13
Thank you. Get out of here.
00;39;56;13 - 00;39;59;08
I went, I ate it, I'm like, whoa, whoa,
I need to go back inside.
00;39;59;08 - 00;40;01;01
This donut tastes good.
00;40;01;01 - 00;40;03;11
So good. That donut,
I I'm still thinking about it.
00;40;03;11 - 00;40;05;07
Yeah, I was in LA when it happened.
00;40;05;07 - 00;40;06;03
Wow. That's a my.
00;40;06;03 - 00;40;09;16
Sometimes I think maybe the base
line of a product is the simple product
00;40;09;26 - 00;40;11;28
because, I mean, if you compare a pizza
to one to the other,
00;40;11;28 - 00;40;12;21
maybe you should compare
00;40;12;21 - 00;40;15;21
Margherita to the other,
you know, means like the baseline pizza.
00;40;15;26 - 00;40;18;15
Yeah. Go to
yeah. Has a good margarita pizza.
00;40;18;15 - 00;40;20;07
All the other pizzas might be good
this way.
00;40;20;07 - 00;40;22;11
Yeah. That's true.
The old fashioned donut.
00;40;22;11 - 00;40;25;11
The old fashioned
donut is the plain pizza of donuts.
00;40;25;12 - 00;40;27;02
Yes. Or margarita. Oh,
00;40;28;26 - 00;40;29;26
a pizza of donuts.
00;40;29;26 - 00;40;32;26
Yeah. Margarita. Donut.
00;40;32;26 - 00;40;34;21
Maybe a new thing. Let's. I'll finish. Up.
00;40;34;21 - 00;40;36;03
Yeah. There you go.
00;40;36;03 - 00;40;38;16
Oh, you got some good ideas. It's a donut.
00;40;38;16 - 00;40;39;23
You know, you speak German, I don't.
00;40;39;23 - 00;40;42;06
We can make this happen here.
00;40;42;06 - 00;40;44;27
You could do all the illegals
work and stuff, and then boom.
00;40;44;27 - 00;40;47;23
Yeah. Yeah, yeah,
you can try. There you go.
00;40;47;23 - 00;40;50;16
And then speaking of,
you know, companies and stuff,
00;40;50;16 - 00;40;54;15
you actually are a CEO and co-founder
of a very nice, company hired.
00;40;54;15 - 00;40;56;21
Yeah. Well, needle. Yeah,
it talks about the.
00;40;56;21 - 00;40;57;03
Oh, yeah.
00;40;57;03 - 00;40;58;06
Thank you very much.
00;40;58;06 - 00;41;01;04
Yeah. So I work for nightcap.
00;41;01;04 - 00;41;05;08
So we are, like, allowing individuals
to find the needle in the haystack
00;41;05;08 - 00;41;08;22
by combining all the different data
sources to one data source,
00;41;08;22 - 00;41;12;15
that they can have a unified search,
whether this is Google Drive, Gmail,
00;41;13;14 - 00;41;17;01
notion, slack, Jira, confluence,
all these kind of tools.
00;41;17;01 - 00;41;20;13
Because often information
is scattered across different platforms.
00;41;20;24 - 00;41;24;26
And then you may want to do some kind of
mini automations based on your own data.
00;41;24;26 - 00;41;27;23
Let's say, for example,
I use my own tool recently.
00;41;27;23 - 00;41;32;15
I try to work together with YouTubers
who are doing like, content around,
00;41;32;26 - 00;41;36;28
AI tools, like automations, for example,
Workflow automations.
00;41;37;09 - 00;41;40;27
And I have created a list
of like 100 YouTubers in a Google sheet.
00;41;41;06 - 00;41;42;10
And then I have created the mini.
00;41;42;10 - 00;41;45;08
Automation was needed,
which is like search, web search.
00;41;45;08 - 00;41;49;11
This person create like, email,
which is kind of targeted about him
00;41;49;11 - 00;41;53;02
that I want to work together with him
and then send this email to this person
00;41;53;02 - 00;41;55;02
and do this for each row
in my Google sheet.
00;41;55;02 - 00;41;58;25
So it iterates over each row of my Google
Sheet and sends this message in the end.
00;41;58;25 - 00;42;02;11
So instead of me, like sending 100 emails,
I just create this one time.
00;42;02;11 - 00;42;05;23
This workflow iterates over
each of these rows, which is this
00;42;05;23 - 00;42;08;28
person creates a personalized email
and sends it, which I can do.
00;42;08;28 - 00;42;10;25
Maybe in half an hour, one hour, right?
00;42;10;25 - 00;42;14;01
Instead of like this could be
maybe like otherwise two days of work.
00;42;14;01 - 00;42;16;18
If I would look at this person,
I would look at his YouTube channel.
00;42;16;18 - 00;42;19;00
I would watch his latest YouTube video.
00;42;19;00 - 00;42;20;19
I would try to create some content around.
00;42;20;19 - 00;42;22;21
I would say, oh,
I already saw this video about you.
00;42;22;21 - 00;42;24;07
Very interesting. This in this topic.
00;42;24;07 - 00;42;27;06
So instead of doing this,
I just automate this outreach,
00;42;27;12 - 00;42;30;14
which gives me make more leverage
because then I can have more people
00;42;30;14 - 00;42;31;11
I already reached out to
00;42;31;11 - 00;42;35;08
and maybe then negotiate
with about like a potential collaboration.
00;42;35;16 - 00;42;38;18
Wow, bro, that's actually very impressive.
00;42;38;18 - 00;42;41;24
Like to just had that automation happen
to reach out to all those people.
00;42;42;07 - 00;42;45;07
That's like I mean, yeah, so much work
and you know, to, you know,
00;42;45;17 - 00;42;47;01
you know, and then also just the opening
00;42;47;01 - 00;42;48;29
closing of the messages
and keep on sending it.
00;42;48;29 - 00;42;50;01
I don't mean that.
00;42;50;01 - 00;42;52;09
I mean you can use also like,
you know, MailChimp but things but like
00;42;52;09 - 00;42;55;23
the way it takes all the different pieces
and put it together
00;42;56;01 - 00;42;57;06
I think is the beautiful thing.
00;42;57;06 - 00;43;00;02
Yeah. I think this actually
the future, as they say,
00;43;01;03 - 00;43;02;22
like in terms of coding
00;43;02;22 - 00;43;06;14
the new language, I think the founder of,
Nvidia said it right.
00;43;06;22 - 00;43;10;01
Jensen is, is not anymore just like that.
00;43;10;01 - 00;43;12;12
You can code but plain English
00;43;12;12 - 00;43;15;12
if you can describe in English
whatever you want to do.
00;43;16;10 - 00;43;19;14
You may have like some
AI tool that can execute it for you.
00;43;20;04 - 00;43;23;09
So I think this is like something
very interesting because in the beginning
00;43;23;09 - 00;43;27;26
you may thought, oh, AI and so on comes
and it really like take away jobs
00;43;28;03 - 00;43;30;25
which are maybe in like,
I don't know, cleaning a house,
00;43;30;25 - 00;43;33;09
cleaning the windows
like something robotic stuff.
00;43;33;09 - 00;43;34;00
Yeah. But in the end
00;43;34;00 - 00;43;37;02
it takes away a bit like these jobs,
which are software engineering.
00;43;38;08 - 00;43;41;21
Because they are so good in creating,
00;43;42;22 - 00;43;45;12
code,
you know, like students of engineers.
00;43;45;12 - 00;43;49;10
I need it, but I found it even a bit
surprising that, like, lawyers,
00;43;49;17 - 00;43;52;21
software engineers,
these kind of high end, tech heavy,
00;43;53;12 - 00;43;58;11
jobs, most under pressure due to AI.
00;43;59;01 - 00;44;00;09
And this extreme.
00;44;00;09 - 00;44;05;02
Pressure, not so much the classic jobs
is craftsmanship or something like this.
00;44;05;02 - 00;44;07;29
You know that nobody wants to do that.
Unfortunately not nobody.
00;44;07;29 - 00;44;08;26
But I'm saying like,
00;44;08;26 - 00;44;11;11
Listen, you uplifting trend,
I think these days, kind of like,
00;44;11;11 - 00;44;14;17
I think there's a bit of a trend of moving
away from digital and moving again
00;44;14;17 - 00;44;17;17
towards, like, doing something
with your hands that's in nature.
00;44;17;25 - 00;44;20;08
So some people are good
with like overwhelmed.
00;44;20;08 - 00;44;22;24
And I ask myself
if one day we come to this point
00;44;22;24 - 00;44;25;26
where people are like, this is so much
technology, fuck all of this.
00;44;25;26 - 00;44;27;25
Now I'm moving back to how we lived
00;44;27;25 - 00;44;30;15
a thousand years ago,
growing my own plants in my garden,
00;44;30;15 - 00;44;33;15
building my own house with my own wood
and that's it.
00;44;33;24 - 00;44;36;08
I don't know if that's a point
we will reach to that point,
00;44;36;08 - 00;44;40;29
because people will be so over
stimulated with all this new technology
00;44;40;29 - 00;44;43;29
and stuff that they are just like,
it's enough.
00;44;44;03 - 00;44;44;28
I don't want no more.
00;44;46;16 - 00;44;46;23
Good.
00;44;46;23 - 00;44;49;08
Yeah. No, I mean, that's
I mean, that's true.
00;44;49;08 - 00;44;49;18
You're right.
00;44;49;18 - 00;44;53;08
And I think with the
AI to what you do to, to your point,
00;44;53;14 - 00;44;56;22
a few steps back about, the threats
about not threat, but let's just say
00;44;56;22 - 00;45;01;15
the fear of AI and the sphere
of the threat of jobs and things that it
00;45;01;24 - 00;45;06;20
I think, in addition, that it frees people
to think about other ways
00;45;06;20 - 00;45;07;23
of using their time
00;45;07;23 - 00;45;10;23
or like of being useful relative
to what they're doing,
00;45;11;02 - 00;45;13;25
you know, whether it be like work
on their own business, whether it be like,
00;45;13;25 - 00;45;17;00
you know, adding more to the community,
things like that.
00;45;18;02 - 00;45;20;25
But I guess with your,
00;45;20;25 - 00;45;24;13
app or so, which does lean on it,
it does use AI, I guess.
00;45;24;13 - 00;45;25;14
Yeah. Yeah we do.
00;45;25;14 - 00;45;26;14
We leverage a lot. Yeah.
00;45;26;14 - 00;45;28;19
We love our own internal IP.
00;45;28;19 - 00;45;32;05
Plus we leverage a lot of other kind of
tools and stitch them together in a way.
00;45;32;17 - 00;45;35;22
Nice. Okay.
So let's use an example. Right.
00;45;35;22 - 00;45;38;15
If you could if we could do this right.
Because use a good example.
00;45;38;15 - 00;45;41;12
But if you want to reach out to YouTubers,
maybe if you want to do
00;45;41;12 - 00;45;42;20
I don't know, not.
00;45;42;20 - 00;45;43;17
Yeah. Transcription.
00;45;43;17 - 00;45;47;00
Or you want to do thumbnails or something,
you can like find all the YouTubers.
00;45;47;00 - 00;45;47;27
It's like that.
00;45;47;27 - 00;45;53;04
Suppose let's make it for someone
who's like in social media, right?
00;45;53;05 - 00;45;56;05
They want to reach out to brands
or something like that.
00;45;56;08 - 00;45;58;07
Like would you be able to do that?
00;45;58;07 - 00;46;01;28
Like they find, like,
I don't know, the top brands in,
00;46;03;02 - 00;46;04;01
Bremen or something like
00;46;04;01 - 00;46;08;11
that or Hamburg and then say, hey,
can you, you know, I don't know,
00;46;08;11 - 00;46;11;11
get their email or something like that
or reach out to them, but.
00;46;11;22 - 00;46;15;29
Yeah, I mean, it it would be able to do so
because if you have, for example,
00;46;15;29 - 00;46;19;25
let's say you have already a description
inside your company, like maybe
00;46;19;25 - 00;46;23;02
you have a document which describes
I want to work with this kind of brands.
00;46;23;02 - 00;46;24;13
You describe like some parameters
00;46;24;13 - 00;46;28;14
because the I in the end
is a bit like a human being. You.
00;46;28;23 - 00;46;32;09
The better you describe the problem to it,
the better is able to execute it.
00;46;32;21 - 00;46;34;19
So if you describe your problem
very well, I'm
00;46;34;19 - 00;46;37;19
this kind of here's my content look,
my content looks like this.
00;46;37;24 - 00;46;39;08
I'm this kind of YouTuber.
00;46;39;08 - 00;46;41;17
I like to work with this kind of brands.
00;46;41;17 - 00;46;43;26
And here is maybe like a list of,
00;46;45;10 - 00;46;47;02
1000,
00;46;47;02 - 00;46;49;19
documents describing each of this brand.
00;46;49;19 - 00;46;53;17
Please, tell me which are the most likely
brands I'm going to work with.
00;46;54;05 - 00;46;57;25
Then it will iterate over
each of this document and will understand
00;46;57;25 - 00;46;58;22
and kind of create.
00;46;58;22 - 00;46;59;18
You create a score,
00;46;59;18 - 00;47;02;20
maybe you create the scoring based on
you kind of like measurements.
00;47;02;27 - 00;47;05;23
Maybe you're scoring would be
you just have to set the score.
00;47;05;23 - 00;47;09;04
Maybe score is like
brand is in sector Eco-Friendly.
00;47;09;19 - 00;47;12;07
Brand is in technology sector.
00;47;12;07 - 00;47;15;07
Brand is working already with this
in this YouTubers.
00;47;15;10 - 00;47;16;20
It works already with this YouTuber.
00;47;16;20 - 00;47;18;14
Plus then something like this.
00;47;18;14 - 00;47;19;18
And then it would iterate over
00;47;19;18 - 00;47;22;01
each of this kind of brand, create
a score in the end.
00;47;22;01 - 00;47;25;03
In the end, you would get the
like a scoring list of 1000
00;47;25;03 - 00;47;28;08
rows ranked like ordered by top score
to lowest score,
00;47;28;14 - 00;47;31;21
and would tell you
these are the scores, of these brands.
00;47;31;21 - 00;47;34;28
For example, when I hired right recently,
I had a founding associate intern
00;47;35;08 - 00;47;37;27
and we got like 400
employee, applications.
00;47;37;27 - 00;47;40;03
I don't want to read two, 400 PDFs of CVS.
00;47;40;03 - 00;47;41;08
It's a boring task. Yeah.
00;47;41;08 - 00;47;45;01
So instead of that, I built this workflow
with need to read through each of the CV.
00;47;45;14 - 00;47;46;08
Here's my ranking.
00;47;46;08 - 00;47;49;14
For example, I put like
has a great experience with, AI tools.
00;47;50;01 - 00;47;54;27
Has already done content creation video
as well as written, it's based in Berlin.
00;47;55;10 - 00;47;57;21
And then each of these
gives 0 to 10 points.
00;47;57;21 - 00;48;00;23
The eight looks at the CV, decides
and how many punch it gives,
00;48;00;24 - 00;48;03;24
and then in the end creates me
like a table which is like ranked like,
00;48;04;13 - 00;48;05;13
these are the top candidates.
00;48;05;13 - 00;48;06;28
And I only looked at the top 15.
00;48;06;28 - 00;48;08;16
Then I kind of ditch the others.
00;48;08;16 - 00;48;10;11
I trusted in the AI to do the right thing.
00;48;10;11 - 00;48;13;25
Yeah, and then I only had to review 15
CVS instead of 100. Wow.
00;48;13;25 - 00;48;16;05
And then we decided from there to move
on, you know?
00;48;16;05 - 00;48;20;26
So you see, it helped me a lot, to save
a lot of time and make a better decision.
00;48;21;14 - 00;48;25;03
And. Yeah,
that's kind of, like, I think that's just
00;48;25;11 - 00;48;26;15
something very interesting, I think.
00;48;26;15 - 00;48;29;14
So similar use case
would be with the brands, you know.
00;48;29;14 - 00;48;33;08
So, you bring up an interesting point
I never really heard anyone talk about in
00;48;33;08 - 00;48;35;20
terms of, like, the ranking of the,
00;48;35;20 - 00;48;38;23
results that are given to you once they go
through this information and stuff.
00;48;39;18 - 00;48;44;10
Is there something that, needle does
like, like, I mean,
00;48;44;10 - 00;48;47;15
how did you get to that point of, like,
the ranking, like that thought process?
00;48;47;15 - 00;48;49;17
Because I don't know that. It's
you describing.
00;48;49;17 - 00;48;52;02
This basically is, again,
as you say to human visitors,
00;48;52;02 - 00;48;55;01
if you are having a right hand,
you have a right hand person
00;48;55;01 - 00;48;59;04
and you tell to this right hand person,
please look at all this one receives
00;48;59;04 - 00;49;03;07
for me, very important that this person
knows how to speak in podcasts.
00;49;03;07 - 00;49;04;02
I don't know, for example,
00;49;05;11 - 00;49;05;28
and then if we
00;49;05;28 - 00;49;09;14
go to each of the CV's and if the person
mentions in the CVS somewhere,
00;49;09;18 - 00;49;12;16
I haven't really talked in podcast
and two years of experience,
00;49;12;16 - 00;49;13;22
we give a score of ten.
00;49;13;22 - 00;49;16;26
If it never mentions anything,
maybe we just go for a score of zero.
00;49;17;05 - 00;49;21;01
If it maybe worked in some brand
or like affiliate marketing position,
00;49;21;07 - 00;49;22;24
maybe it gives a score of like six.
00;49;22;24 - 00;49;24;13
You know, it depends on it.
00;49;24;13 - 00;49;25;23
We look at the CV and make like it
00;49;25;23 - 00;49;28;02
in some sense
based on what data that it can see.
00;49;28;02 - 00;49;32;02
For example, but you'd say
yourself, for me this is important.
00;49;32;11 - 00;49;35;20
For example, the
AI to the AI for me, important, as I said,
00;49;35;25 - 00;49;40;14
based in Berlin experience already
with AI tools, driven for example.
00;49;40;14 - 00;49;42;26
And yeah,
this is kind of like you describe.
00;49;42;26 - 00;49;46;02
And then it's kind of like a human
which acts in your behalf.
00;49;46;09 - 00;49;46;19
Yeah.
00;49;46;19 - 00;49;48;23
Because I think you bring up the reason
why, like,
00;49;48;23 - 00;49;51;18
like ranking and some of these things
like, lit up for me.
00;49;51;18 - 00;49;54;21
Is that, you know,
there's like I mean, there's many
00;49;54;21 - 00;49;57;25
I mean, everyone now has AI helper thing.
00;49;57;25 - 00;50;00;13
Yeah. Which,
you know, kind of wraps around. ChatGPT.
00;50;00;13 - 00;50;01;03
What happens around,
00;50;02;08 - 00;50;02;27
that.
00;50;02;27 - 00;50;07;24
But I think what's interesting
or what differentiates the differentiates
00;50;07;24 - 00;50;12;09
these products from each other,
I feel like, is like the way it guides
00;50;12;09 - 00;50;16;12
the type of, like, conversation
that you can have or the type of prompting
00;50;16;24 - 00;50;19;12
you can give to
some of these, applications,
00;50;19;12 - 00;50;22;03
you know, like even the whole,
you know, ranking thing or what
00;50;22;03 - 00;50;24;21
what are the questions
you should be asking?
00;50;24;21 - 00;50;27;23
In terms of the capability of this tool
in order for you
00;50;27;23 - 00;50;29;15
to get the results
that you're looking for.
00;50;29;15 - 00;50;34;15
And, does needle have does needle
have something like that to where
00;50;34;15 - 00;50;37;18
it kind of guides people
that maybe new are unsure
00;50;37;18 - 00;50;41;16
about how to go about it to, like, ask
the right questions to get those results.
00;50;41;16 - 00;50;43;21
You're making a great point.
00;50;43;21 - 00;50;44;17
I very good point.
00;50;44;17 - 00;50;47;17
You're, you're making it something
we have thought out many times about.
00;50;47;29 - 00;50;50;02
The thing is, like,
there are so many tools
00;50;50;02 - 00;50;53;21
and the attention of people
these days is so limited that,
00;50;54;10 - 00;50;57;10
to get the use of fast, very fast to this.
00;50;57;13 - 00;50;59;06
Wow. This is cool moment.
00;50;59;06 - 00;51;01;20
Like, I enjoy it,
I understand it, I can use it.
00;51;01;20 - 00;51;04;20
It is helping me is very, very crucial.
00;51;04;20 - 00;51;07;15
And because of that,
it's like you have to make it very easy
00;51;07;15 - 00;51;10;17
for the user because like fake something,
they give you the use case of the CV.
00;51;10;17 - 00;51;13;24
I gave you the use case of the YouTubers,
but you also first
00;51;13;24 - 00;51;17;27
have to come up with this thought of,
oh, I could build such an automation.
00;51;18;08 - 00;51;22;05
So this is like a bit of like cognitive
process, like a bit of work for yourself
00;51;22;05 - 00;51;23;15
and your brain to think about it.
00;51;23;15 - 00;51;25;29
Even until then, you create it, right?
00;51;25;29 - 00;51;27;07
Because of that, yes,
00;51;27;07 - 00;51;30;03
guiding the user in the beginning of
the app is very important.
00;51;30;03 - 00;51;33;12
And how we measure kind of
if the user is onboarded or not,
00;51;33;23 - 00;51;36;29
if they execute the very first time
we workflow with the needle,
00;51;37;11 - 00;51;40;16
and if they do so, then we consider them
kind of green onboarded.
00;51;40;29 - 00;51;42;05
And we have like for example,
00;51;42;05 - 00;51;45;05
if they do an onboarding
they say I use this in these tools.
00;51;45;10 - 00;51;48;00
Let's say they
you say I use Gmail and Slack
00;51;48;00 - 00;51;52;03
and then they will we will recommend them
some workflows that they have.
00;51;52;03 - 00;51;55;16
For example,
read every day through my emails.
00;51;55;25 - 00;51;58;25
I want to track
kind of the emails from this sender
00;51;58;25 - 00;52;02;27
and give me a quick summary every evening
about, for example, in my emails
00;52;02;27 - 00;52;05;08
which I received
about this topic, for example,
00;52;05;08 - 00;52;08;20
and send it as a message to select because
then I can consume it better, right?
00;52;08;29 - 00;52;11;08
Instead of me clicking manually
through my emails, I get in the end
00;52;11;08 - 00;52;14;06
a quick summary of my emails.
For example in my slack messages.
00;52;14;06 - 00;52;15;23
But you first have to think about that.
00;52;15;23 - 00;52;17;06
And this is a very common use case.
00;52;17;06 - 00;52;19;19
Maybe many other people
would like to make a workflow like this.
00;52;20;19 - 00;52;22;19
And so you have to dog feed them the bit.
00;52;22;19 - 00;52;24;21
Right is a dog feed. Yeah.
00;52;24;21 - 00;52;29;04
So and I think any of these AI tools
these days, user adoption
00;52;29;04 - 00;52;33;02
and user experience is crazy important
because attention span is so short.
00;52;33;02 - 00;52;36;19
I see sometimes users sign up
for application and maybe drop out, delete
00;52;36;20 - 00;52;40;12
the account after two minutes again,
and then then I know I did a horrible job
00;52;40;29 - 00;52;45;01
in in, for example, use
bring the user a good feeling making them.
00;52;45;13 - 00;52;47;28
Maybe they didn't understand
how the product is used, you know,
00;52;47;28 - 00;52;49;17
wow, they were having a bad experience.
00;52;49;17 - 00;52;52;16
Or maybe one error appeared
directly there.
00;52;52;16 - 00;52;55;04
You know, you get fever, I broke,
I don't know what I did, and then.
00;52;55;04 - 00;52;56;25
You can see it a bit
like a waterfall, right?
00;52;56;25 - 00;52;58;18
They are here, then they are here.
00;52;58;18 - 00;53;01;26
And if you build the best product here
and everything works perfectly here.
00;53;02;05 - 00;53;05;05
But they never come to this point
because they already drop out here,
00;53;05;14 - 00;53;06;24
then this is an issue.
00;53;06;24 - 00;53;10;28
So you have to make every step amazingly
well and don't over optimize
00;53;10;28 - 00;53;14;29
for a later stage step, but optimize
very much further in early step of the
00;53;15;00 - 00;53;16;16
where the user is kind of, you know.
00;53;16;16 - 00;53;16;26
To him
00;53;16;26 - 00;53;20;01
it's like the is like each
conditional has to be over optimize
00;53;20;01 - 00;53;22;09
in a way that doesn't
allow the user to drop off.
00;53;22;09 - 00;53;26;03
Yeah, it's almost like, it's
almost like now it's like each thing
00;53;26;03 - 00;53;30;19
has to have its own, like important, like,
okay, this needs to be very clear.
00;53;31;03 - 00;53;34;17
Like with like an escape room
every you have to solve every reduce
00;53;34;17 - 00;53;36;12
to escape the room. Yeah.
00;53;36;12 - 00;53;39;00
But if you fuck up one room then.
00;53;39;00 - 00;53;39;14
Then that's it.
00;53;39;14 - 00;53;40;17
You're kind of like,
all right, you don't even.
00;53;40;17 - 00;53;42;02
Make it to the next. Really?
You know what I mean?
00;53;42;02 - 00;53;42;06
Yeah.
00;53;42;06 - 00;53;44;22
They just press the button
to have an associated welcome it like,
00;53;44;22 - 00;53;47;03
give me out of here.
I don't know, I want to escape for real.
00;53;47;03 - 00;53;48;29
I want to get
a refund. Get me out of here.
00;53;51;12 - 00;53;51;19
Like.
00;53;51;19 - 00;53;53;17
Yeah, that's not really the way you should
escape.
00;53;53;17 - 00;53;55;20
No, no, I want to escape this way.
I want to leave.
00;53;55;20 - 00;53;57;12
I want to press the button.
00;53;57;12 - 00;54;00;09
Get me out of here.
Yeah, but no, no, no, no.
00;54;00;09 - 00;54;01;04
So just try the door.
00;54;01;04 - 00;54;04;04
No, I don't want to touch the door.
That's.
00;54;04;15 - 00;54;06;17
But no, I, I like that
you said that though,
00;54;06;17 - 00;54;10;05
because the whole guidance of, like,
using a tool like that is so important.
00;54;10;05 - 00;54;13;05
And, you know, even the
you sound like you have good,
00;54;13;26 - 00;54;15;08
good.
00;54;15;08 - 00;54;17;21
How would you say,
I mean, obviously good UX, UI, but,
00;54;17;21 - 00;54;21;05
you know, it seems also you guys are
getting like the user stories and stuff,
00;54;21;10 - 00;54;25;24
like, you know, down pat in terms of like,
how does a user progress through the app
00;54;25;24 - 00;54;28;07
and where they would drop off
and tracking that
00;54;28;07 - 00;54;31;23
in a way to make the experience
good for the user?
00;54;32;00 - 00;54;34;29
Yeah, I think it's actually something,
maybe something I undervalued
00;54;34;29 - 00;54;36;07
a bit in the beginning.
00;54;36;07 - 00;54;37;21
Does it come from technical background.
00;54;37;21 - 00;54;40;25
So sometimes you think as a
technical person, well this is very clear.
00;54;40;25 - 00;54;43;21
You know, it's like
but the user doesn't get.
00;54;43;21 - 00;54;44;14
It because.
00;54;44;14 - 00;54;46;00
It's maybe like not from technical
00;54;46;00 - 00;54;49;15
background, but you have always biased
based on your own view how you see things.
00;54;49;28 - 00;54;52;03
It's very much
you have to be very empathetic
00;54;52;03 - 00;54;55;03
with the other side
to be able to put yourself into the foot
00;54;55;08 - 00;54;57;13
or into the perspective
of the other person
00;54;57;13 - 00;54;59;20
to understand,
oh, this person sees it like this.
00;54;59;20 - 00;55;02;25
Maybe the language is different,
maybe how they expect things,
00;55;03;01 - 00;55;04;29
looking like it's different,
you know what I mean?
00;55;04;29 - 00;55;07;08
So you really have to understand that
in something.
00;55;07;08 - 00;55;09;20
Maybe I fucked up in the beginning of it.
I was not so strong in.
00;55;09;20 - 00;55;13;02
But you learn with time, you know,
and, yeah, nothing is perfect, right?
00;55;13;03 - 00;55;15;13
You make every day you can improve,
you know?
00;55;15;13 - 00;55;17;12
Yeah. That's the most important thing
about those things.
00;55;17;12 - 00;55;18;08
Relying on data.
00;55;18;08 - 00;55;18;16
Right.
00;55;18;16 - 00;55;22;02
Is there I mean, you know,
it needs I mean, what in typical,
00;55;23;25 - 00;55;25;15
maybe technical form is like a schema
00;55;25;15 - 00;55;28;20
or something that that this data
should be organized in a certain way.
00;55;28;20 - 00;55;30;26
And if it's organized
that way, it's easy to receive.
00;55;30;26 - 00;55;33;26
But in this world
where things can be whatever,
00;55;34;20 - 00;55;37;19
and you try to make decisions
based on that data,
00;55;37;19 - 00;55;41;19
you know, I think that UX, UI aspect
is important to at least
00;55;41;29 - 00;55;45;13
guide them to ask the right questions
or ask the right things.
00;55;45;19 - 00;55;49;28
So then in itself helps the, application
to give the data back
00;55;49;28 - 00;55;52;28
in a way that keeps it going in a cycle,
I would imagine.
00;55;53;02 - 00;55;53;26
Yeah. You're right.
00;55;53;26 - 00;55;56;25
That's very good.
Like, data driven decision making.
00;55;56;25 - 00;55;59;24
And I think one thing I want to add is,
00;55;59;28 - 00;56;02;08
I think designers are very,
00;56;02;08 - 00;56;05;08
very much more valuable than before
00;56;05;11 - 00;56;08;02
because the bottleneck is not anymore
so much in.
00;56;08;02 - 00;56;09;22
Can we build this feature?
00;56;09;22 - 00;56;12;24
The bottleneck is more like,
how do we design this feature
00;56;13;07 - 00;56;16;12
to be most likely adopted by many users?
00;56;17;08 - 00;56;20;14
You know, before, before the budget,
it was maybe before the budget was like,
00;56;20;14 - 00;56;22;26
how do we construct it?
How do we build it?
00;56;22;26 - 00;56;26;05
This is still somewhat the bottleneck,
but this the entry barrier is much slower
00;56;26;05 - 00;56;27;16
now to software engineering.
00;56;27;16 - 00;56;31;07
But building something unique,
which is not like super generic,
00;56;31;07 - 00;56;32;12
just generated by another,
00;56;32;12 - 00;56;36;14
I mean something human like this
comes to a very important point.
00;56;36;14 - 00;56;39;28
So designers, I think I actually much
more important these days.
00;56;40;29 - 00;56;42;11
That's that's very important.
00;56;42;11 - 00;56;45;27
And would you say with your with needle
the app is, is more BTC
00;56;46;05 - 00;56;49;10
B2C or B2B like business
the customer or business a business.
00;56;49;23 - 00;56;52;24
It's like some strategy we are following
similar to notion you know.
00;56;52;27 - 00;56;54;16
Oh yeah. Yeah.
You know, so you sell notion.
00;56;54;16 - 00;56;56;18
It's like, yeah, it's like B2C.
00;56;56;18 - 00;57;00;13
You may use it on a personally project,
but when you start working for a company,
00;57;00;23 - 00;57;04;09
you're also like,
I think this project is to make sense here
00;57;04;09 - 00;57;07;10
in this team, to work together
with this tool in the team.
00;57;07;19 - 00;57;10;19
So we are doing this,
I call it B2C to be approach,
00;57;11;01 - 00;57;12;25
to convince somebody
on an individual level.
00;57;12;25 - 00;57;14;28
Maybe this person also works for a company
00;57;14;28 - 00;57;17;24
and then it decides, let's maybe
bring this tool also to the company.
00;57;18;24 - 00;57;21;03
Like a kind of like,
00;57;21;03 - 00;57;23;14
bottom up approach is called
top down would be you
00;57;23;14 - 00;57;27;03
talk to the, to the high level people
and they push it into the company.
00;57;27;12 - 00;57;30;12
They say, for example, I don't know,
your boss says we are using now this to it
00;57;30;24 - 00;57;31;24
and then you have to use it.
00;57;31;24 - 00;57;34;24
The other approach is more like user from
bottom is like
00;57;34;28 - 00;57;36;13
maybe you are like software
engineer company.
00;57;36;13 - 00;57;37;15
You like to use it to it.
00;57;37;15 - 00;57;40;01
You go to your boss, hey,
can we buy maybe the process script?
00;57;40;01 - 00;57;41;16
And I think it really saves me
a lot of time
00;57;41;16 - 00;57;44;08
and helps me to be more productive
in my daily work.
00;57;44;08 - 00;57;46;01
We are trying to go more that approach.
00;57;46;01 - 00;57;48;16
Nice. That's a very nice.
That's a good approach.
00;57;48;16 - 00;57;49;14
Yeah. It depends.
00;57;49;14 - 00;57;50;22
Any approach is good.
00;57;50;22 - 00;57;53;11
Other people go more top down approach.
00;57;53;11 - 00;57;56;11
We just think like found a found
a fit for us is found us.
00;57;56;11 - 00;57;59;00
It's best
to go from bottom up. It seems to be a
00;58;00;03 - 00;58;00;17
strength.
00;58;00;17 - 00;58;02;12
And you have to play your strengths,
right.
00;58;02;12 - 00;58;05;29
If I play for example Messi
as a goalkeeper, he will not place away.
00;58;06;16 - 00;58;08;13
But if I play, Messi is a defender.
00;58;08;13 - 00;58;10;07
You play very well, right?
00;58;10;07 - 00;58;12;23
To know your strengths
and play them accordingly.
00;58;12;23 - 00;58;13;11
Okay.
00;58;13;11 - 00;58;15;18
And and just a few more questions. Right.
00;58;15;18 - 00;58;17;04
So you have
00;58;17;04 - 00;58;21;04
so you and your co-founder and you know
when it comes to like a startup, it,
00;58;21;08 - 00;58;24;27
it always is, it is usually difficult
to find a co-founder,
00;58;24;27 - 00;58;28;25
one that, you know, you meet
and you guys have the same, hustle
00;58;28;25 - 00;58;32;18
flow as they say, and, like,
you know, working habits and things.
00;58;32;18 - 00;58;33;29
So how was it?
00;58;33;29 - 00;58;36;16
How did you find your, like,
how did you guys meet?
00;58;36;16 - 00;58;38;14
Let me say, yeah.
00;58;38;14 - 00;58;38;28
Yeah.
00;58;38;28 - 00;58;42;24
Look, I mean, my story is a bit crazy,
I think, because my ex girlfriend
00;58;42;24 - 00;58;46;05
broke up with me
and I was like, living in Switzerland.
00;58;46;05 - 00;58;48;02
I was like, I gotta make a change.
00;58;48;02 - 00;58;49;09
You know, I gotta move on.
00;58;49;09 - 00;58;51;09
Something in life, like, who am I?
00;58;51;09 - 00;58;52;20
What am I going to do?
00;58;52;20 - 00;58;56;01
And so I decided, let's move to Berlin,
you know, let's let's go give it a shot.
00;58;56;01 - 00;58;58;25
I think Berlin is
maybe the place I'm having to be now.
00;58;58;25 - 00;59;01;07
I'm a bit of a broken person, and I.
00;59;01;07 - 00;59;04;02
It's like a bit of a theory
that if you start a startup,
00;59;04;02 - 00;59;06;11
you must be somewhat
of an unhinged person.
00;59;08;24 - 00;59;09;08
Yeah.
00;59;09;08 - 00;59;12;08
Yeah, yeah, a lot of working hours. Yeah.
00;59;12;08 - 00;59;16;11
So even there's a meme
like therapy question mark.
00;59;16;25 - 00;59;18;13
No. Let's start.
00;59;18;13 - 00;59;21;13
B2B SaaS, we see a virus
00;59;21;26 - 00;59;22;07
start.
00;59;22;07 - 00;59;24;13
Yeah. Starting
a B2B SaaS is a cry for help.
00;59;24;13 - 00;59;26;06
It's like, come on, please.
00;59;26;06 - 00;59;28;10
I need to change the world.
00;59;28;10 - 00;59;30;24
Exactly. So, yeah, I moved to Berlin.
00;59;30;24 - 00;59;33;24
I was part of a small program
here in Berlin.
00;59;34;20 - 00;59;39;07
And we kind of saw each other in this
program, but didn't really work together.
00;59;39;07 - 00;59;41;09
And then we worked together
on some other solution.
00;59;41;09 - 00;59;44;09
We tried to bring up a POS system.
00;59;44;14 - 00;59;47;27
And like use put the QR code on the table,
you scan out and pay directly
00;59;47;27 - 00;59;49;11
with pay and order at the table.
00;59;49;11 - 00;59;51;00
And they have a system, the restaurants,
00;59;51;00 - 00;59;54;00
which knows I had this table already
so I already paid, I bring it there,
00;59;54;13 - 00;59;59;13
but I pitched almost every restaurant
in Berlin this idea and nobody wanted it.
00;59;59;13 - 01;00;00;06
We had the product.
01;00;00;06 - 01;00;03;20
He was working on it for three months
and he was like an amazing guy.
01;00;03;26 - 01;00;06;19
My co-founder,
really smart, can ship any feature.
01;00;06;19 - 01;00;08;23
Nice.
But we broke up because it didn't work.
01;00;08;23 - 01;00;10;19
Then he worked with some other team
for some time.
01;00;10;19 - 01;00;15;01
I worked a bit by myself and so I'm like,
I say, it's two and later,
01;00;15;08 - 01;00;19;04
I don't know, later in the year,
he came to me, man and said to me, bro,
01;00;19;04 - 01;00;21;26
I really enjoyed working with you.
I think you're a crazy hustler.
01;00;21;26 - 01;00;26;00
Cool, dude, I like you and look,
let me pitch you my idea.
01;00;26;08 - 01;00;28;02
And I was thinking to myself,
you know, bro,
01;00;28;02 - 01;00;30;04
it doesn't really matter what I think.
You pitch me right now.
01;00;30;04 - 01;00;30;29
I really enjoy you.
01;00;30;29 - 01;00;33;22
I like to work with you,
and it doesn't matter. The idea.
01;00;33;22 - 01;00;37;14
No. Let's just fucking work together
and we might pivot anyway, you know?
01;00;37;14 - 01;00;38;23
And it's like you said, a startup.
01;00;38;23 - 01;00;41;22
You pivot all the time around, fix
something up with the with workflows.
01;00;41;22 - 01;00;42;16
It's kind of something new.
01;00;42;16 - 01;00;44;24
We were before like an API.
01;00;44;24 - 01;00;47;24
Then we went to enterprise AI
and now we go to workflows.
01;00;48;14 - 01;00;50;18
You pivot always and maybe we pivot again.
01;00;50;18 - 01;00;51;02
Who knows.
01;00;51;02 - 01;00;53;05
I mean I have a very strong confidence
with the workflows
01;00;53;05 - 01;00;55;06
that is going to work out and go viral.
01;00;55;06 - 01;00;56;14
But you never know in startup.
01;00;56;14 - 01;00;59;13
But instead of one of the main reasons
why startup is breaking
01;00;59;13 - 01;01;02;15
because founders break up
is one number one reason why startups say,
01;01;03;04 - 01;01;05;20
not because they run out of money
or something like that.
01;01;05;20 - 01;01;08;20
Now, because founders
start to break up and.
01;01;09;00 - 01;01;11;18
It's like a marriage,
you know, you're married to each other.
01;01;11;18 - 01;01;13;05
You have to talk out problems.
01;01;13;05 - 01;01;16;02
Sometimes you have problems
sometimes you have a fight,
01;01;16;02 - 01;01;19;17
but you always talk it out and
you have to be respectful to each other.
01;01;19;23 - 01;01;21;15
Yeah. And mature person.
01;01;21;15 - 01;01;22;17
Yeah. So that's how we met.
01;01;22;17 - 01;01;25;16
And I'm very grateful
that we are working every day together.
01;01;25;16 - 01;01;28;20
And I'm grateful from my heart
that I know him and have in my life.
01;01;29;10 - 01;01;30;05
That's that is.
01;01;30;05 - 01;01;33;05
Man, I'm glad you touched on that,
because a lot of people don't know that.
01;01;33;12 - 01;01;35;20
You know, part of startups
that that number.
01;01;35;20 - 01;01;37;25
Yeah. The number one reason
why they break up is because that,
01;01;39;06 - 01;01;41;23
founder, it's hard to find founder fit,
as they call it.
01;01;41;23 - 01;01;43;07
Yeah, it's it is really hard.
01;01;43;07 - 01;01;44;09
Yeah. Very, very hard.
01;01;44;09 - 01;01;47;09
I mean, and it's so,
01;01;47;23 - 01;01;51;00
quality, so, like qualitative in terms of,
like how that's measured.
01;01;51;00 - 01;01;54;00
Right. Not measured even by just so,
01;01;54;01 - 01;01;57;04
what they call amorphous or something
that is very hard to like, say, okay,
01;01;57;12 - 01;01;58;28
this, this, this is what's required.
01;01;58;28 - 01;02;00;17
It's almost like a feeling.
01;02;00;17 - 01;02;02;08
And you express that feeling,
which I think
01;02;02;08 - 01;02;05;07
is important for people to know,
because sometimes you may not know,
01;02;06;08 - 01;02;08;20
specifically what it is
you have to look for in a person,
01;02;08;20 - 01;02;11;20
but maybe it's just, again,
that flow, that energy that,
01;02;12;15 - 01;02;14;25
that, synergy, as they call it,
where you like,
01;02;14;25 - 01;02;17;00
you know, you guys work together.
You guys just like each other.
01;02;17;00 - 01;02;19;29
I mean, that's another thing to write,
is you say, hey, I like you.
01;02;19;29 - 01;02;20;10
Yeah.
01;02;20;10 - 01;02;25;26
You know, like to work with somebody
12, 15 hours a day, and I don't like you.
01;02;25;26 - 01;02;27;22
That is. That is difficult.
01;02;27;22 - 01;02;29;19
That is difficult.
Yeah. You must like each other.
01;02;29;19 - 01;02;32;09
Yeah. I mean, just,
you know, the person calling you.
01;02;32;09 - 01;02;36;13
Imagine somebody call you your founder,
co-founder, and then you don't like them.
01;02;36;13 - 01;02;38;27
You kind of like, oh, I pick up the phone,
you know, that ain't going to last.
01;02;38;27 - 01;02;40;26
No, it's not going to work. It's hard.
01;02;40;26 - 01;02;43;03
Then you go
depressed, you burnout also. Yeah.
01;02;43;03 - 01;02;43;26
So I mean, good
01;02;43;26 - 01;02;46;28
that you guys are together in a way
that you guys like each other first
01;02;47;19 - 01;02;50;05
before you know the product, which I mean,
01;02;50;05 - 01;02;53;04
you know, no matter how pivots,
then you go, you guys can go for it.
01;02;53;04 - 01;02;55;16
Exactly. I think so, too. Yeah.
01;02;55;16 - 01;02;59;07
So, so, yeah, the one thing I like to ask
is the last question I like to ask,
01;02;59;07 - 01;03;02;02
and this is things I, this is a question
I used to like, I like to ask
01;03;02;02 - 01;03;04;14
anyone was on the podcast
is that you've been through
01;03;04;14 - 01;03;07;06
a lot of different things in your life,
right? In terms of you traveling.
01;03;07;06 - 01;03;09;16
You met Oklahoma, you almost got,
01;03;09;16 - 01;03;12;16
you almost got misidentified
as Iraqi Turkish dude.
01;03;13;01 - 01;03;16;00
You know, you you you you
you been in relationships?
01;03;16;04 - 01;03;16;22
When you travel
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with the person you broke up, you find,
you know, another person, what you create.
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Not not in that way, but, you know,
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but, you also now have a, you know,
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a startup here that is doing great things,
needle dot app.
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And if you go back to your younger self,
what would be the number one advice
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you would give to your younger self?
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I think like, you know,
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I follow this philosophy,
a thread of two philosophies.
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One is learn to learn to learn,
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and I already learned this very early,
and I have this taken from my mentor,
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which is actually kind of the other guy
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who, like, helped me out
when I was almost chat.
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I met him in Indonesia, in Indonesia,
at the, at the hostel.
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And he was there and I was 18 back then,
and he became my mentor
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and helped me a lot to grow.
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And he always said to me,
bro, number one thing is learn to learn,
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because it's very important
that you're able to learn
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because the better you are in learning,
the better you become in,
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growing.
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Right?
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And so I took this kind of phrase
and I pivoted a bit to learn, to learn
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to learn just a bit like a mind fuck.
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Also, so this is something I would like
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to tell myself also, in the past,
like my past myself.
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And another thing
I would like to tell my past self is,
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like, just stay who you are
because I believe in this, theory.
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If if you're happy where you are
right now, if you're happy with yourself,
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then you even bad decisions
you made in the past a good decisions
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because they led you to who you are
and where you are right now.
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And so I would just say to myself, man,
don't worry, stay, bro.
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Stay how you are. You're doing okay.
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Don't worry too much. And you will.
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You got this.
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I just would, like, give myself,
like, a slap on the back and say, go.
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But I wouldn't necessarily
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want to tell this person, like,
you should do something different, right?
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I'm happy where I am right now.
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I'm happy who I am.
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And, and I would say, just do it again
like you did it, you know?
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Nice. So you are young.
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The, philosopher over here.
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John the philosopher.
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All right. But, bro,
thank you very much for doing this.
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Well, thank you. Thank you very much.
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I'm glad you, And, you know, best of luck
with the needle type.
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And, guys, if you have not down download
or have, used a needle dot app yet,
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please do.
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So they have, good, plans available,
as I've seen on the website.
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Very good.
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You know, and also he does the blogging.
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He does, blogging via Substack
on the need of the app, right?
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Yeah. That's right.
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I also got a YouTube channel.
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He got a personal one, and he got the one
for needle Dot app as well.
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Right. We start again, a YouTube channel.
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My personal one, because the previous one
I had was my ex girlfriend.
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Right.
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And, we had 20,000 followers,
but now we are down.
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So I would start another one by myself.
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Yeah, maybe I interview in my YouTube
channel. You. Hey.
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Yeah, me yeah, I'm down for it, bro.
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So yeah, I'm down for that.
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Yeah.
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Get them to 20,000 again on YouTube.
All right. Yeah.
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Get him 20,000. Yeah. Yeah, please.
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I've been doing this,
podcast for a while. Please.
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There's there's more actually.
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Yeah, but, guys, thank you for listening
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and are watching the Third Culture
Talk podcast.
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I'm your boy Nya Yeanafehn
This is Jan Haines.
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Right, right, right. Yeah.
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And I'll see you guys in the next one.
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Peace, peace.
