From Bosnia to Florida, Pinterest is Better, and Full Time Comedy w/ Žana Fejzić | Ep 96

In this episode I sit with Berlin based comedian Žana Fejzić. We talk about her upbringing in Bosinia, south of Gemany, and eventually Florida. We also share our favorite and least favorite things about social media. Also Žana shares some tips on producing comedy shows

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Transcript

00;00;00;00 - 00;00;17;25
Unknown
I was born obviously in Bosnia, I guess, and I was there until I was about three, and then we moved to Bavaria, lived there for like six and half years, and then I moved to Florida. We left right before the war. And then obviously when it was, happening, we were in the minority. And then when it ended, we would travel and it was safe to travel.

00;00;17;27 - 00;00;37;02
Unknown
We would go every summer and spend time in Bosnia with my grandparents and aunt that were there, and then we'd be back. I would say rednecks, because I feel like rednecks for us is where the more north you go in Florida, the more southern it gets, because our land was like Central Florida. So I was always used to like multicultural.

00;00;37;03 - 00;00;59;29
Unknown
That's actually of it. All my friends were like our different former Yugoslavia or Latinos. Like that was it. Welcome to the Third Culture Talk podcast. I'm your host, Nya Yeanafehn. In this podcast, we talk with people that are raised in a culture different than their parents, home culture or way of life or nationality, and now they're living in today's culture, which is vastly different than it is of our parents or even back in the day.

00;01;00;03 - 00;01;19;18
Unknown
So let's get in today's episode. I'm a pinch. Oh, your pants generally act as girls. Does your Pinterest kind of. So yeah, I'm just going to swear. That's you can tell old I am because I don't even use TikTok. I use TikTok as well for interior design. I think I've told you about my my social media division.

00;01;19;20 - 00;01;42;29
Unknown
So TikTok is for interior design and cooking and like, recipes, right? And then Instagram is for like, funny dog and cat videos and memes and shit. How the hell you how how is your brain able to differentiate? And I split those things up based on what they find. The TikTok stuff is like, I feel like it's so much more I or like, I don't know how.

00;01;42;29 - 00;01;58;15
Unknown
I don't like how they edit stuff on there. And I, you know, on TikTok you can scroll. Now, this is like completely off topic on TikTok. You know, you can scroll, the audio can be muted the entire time. I don't listen to like anything like iPad is on subtitles. I just scroll past so if it has subtitles you scroll past.

00;01;58;17 - 00;02;16;25
Unknown
I don't know if it has. If it doesn't have subtitles, I scroll past, I can't, I'm not listening. No. Wow. No no I can't, I just go away. Why does I just I don't like it, I don't like it, I just, I prefer to, I don't need a good because you know, the freaking trending audio and you hear the same thing over and over.

00;02;16;25 - 00;02;34;24
Unknown
I can't so on TikTok, you know, you can mute until you click something to, like, listen to all the sound. But Instagram doesn't have the option. So that's why I'm on this. This is my my little oh no, you're breaking my brain. No, you can do these things. Oh, you know, you had a choice. The grammar you used to be able to mute as well if you clicked in the center.

00;02;34;24 - 00;02;52;06
Unknown
But now just pause the video. So unless there's another way, I don't know. I'm pretty sure I'm going to get some sort of diagnosis in the comments for this. This is already recording. But anyway, no, no, I make sure this has subtitles. Everyone understands. No, it's really. Please, I even you don't ever, like, scroll someone's story if it doesn't have subtitles.

00;02;52;06 - 00;03;11;21
Unknown
You're just like, I'm not listening to this. I'm so addicted that I just like. All right, well, I just kind of just turn on the sound, and, you have your audio, and you listen to people talking without subtitles. Yeah, there's no choice. You're. You're revealing a choice. I know, I, I don't, I don't, I can't I if it doesn't have subtitles, I'm not listening or I cannot.

00;03;11;23 - 00;03;28;22
Unknown
How do you watch a movie. Do you watch with captions. I do actually. It's kind of the same thing then. Yeah. But I, I guess when it doesn't have it you don't try to figure out something or to figure out what's in a video. He's like nah you didn't make the effort to put captions. I don't want to make that fatalistic.

00;03;28;24 - 00;03;49;21
Unknown
Okay. I'm an artist, I can't, I can't. My time is precious on this doomscrolling right. But I just for you be able to just do it. Have the muscle. That's why I'm really surprised if I'm like, it's because the trending audio stuff you're hearing the same freaking audio, like every video. And I just can't do it anymore.

00;03;49;22 - 00;04;03;24
Unknown
That sucks me in more. I ain't gonna lie. When I hear the trending audio that has, like, a certain tone to it, I'm like, oh, I know what to expect. Funny, the first few times like that jet to commercial thing that's funny. But now even I was a fan and now it's gotten old and then I'm just I can't I can't listen anymore.

00;04;03;24 - 00;04;18;12
Unknown
It's over. You know, it's been weeks. I mean, yeah, because I don't know, I don't get to holidays. It's always something. So. Yeah, but it's also people that do it wrong. Have you ever seen. This is what makes me mad when you're doing audio. Okay, now we're getting. No, no, no, we're getting in. We're going in. There you go.

00;04;18;14 - 00;04;33;01
Unknown
Okay. This is the culture. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it like, make it. It doesn't make it so much worse when someone's doing a trend or like an audio like a lip syncing thing. And their lips don't match. Doesn't that piss you off. Oh that makes me. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. That's saying that is insane.

00;04;33;01 - 00;04;50;24
Unknown
Number one. And number two like for example the jet two one. The audio. Everyone loves a jet two holiday. Whatever people use that audio is meant to like make fun of vacation like, like sales and stuff. And then people don't even use it for that. I'm like, okay, I did here's, here's what I think is the issue.

00;04;50;24 - 00;05;11;17
Unknown
I think your algorithm is not properly attuned to. Maybe you're not including everything you need to make it too picky. So you it's like beggars can't be true. You don't miss. No, I think I've seen. I think it's ups. I think I've seen every video that that trend has had. Like the audio. And now it's sending me people is like, well, do you like this?

00;05;11;19 - 00;05;27;17
Unknown
And it's like, no, I don't because they didn't do it right. Oh, so they ran out. So they just give you bottom of the barrel? Yeah, they're scraping the bottom of the barrel because there's any videos that people that don't understand how trends work. And then someone I don't do any trends whatsoever, but at least I get what it's supposed to be.

00;05;27;20 - 00;05;48;25
Unknown
All right. And then people don't. They didn't understand the assignment in that position. Oh, okay. So damn, this is interesting. I never heard someone say like, hey, no subtitles. I mean, in theory, I just would just probably be me. This is because I don't have any audio. I can't, unless obviously if I'm, like, looking for something and I'm, like, listening to it and stuff, but I can, I can just for you to get it.

00;05;48;25 - 00;06;04;26
Unknown
I don't need to hear people's voices. Yeah. I mean, no, I'm still just. That's just dope to hear that you have each app organized by what you watch. Are you actually stick to that? Like I, in theory would like to do it. Yeah, but then the algorithm just knows how to just hit my subconscious and be like, nah, you like this.

00;06;04;26 - 00;06;21;21
Unknown
So you got to save that for the other apps that you don't mind. So you like, you have a bit about the horseshoe. You gotta go to Instagram for, you know, even even I was talking about it. Now it's about to be I send you an ad now for horseshoes. Yeah. Now I get recommended honey badgers being handled by you know, zookeepers or something like that.

00;06;21;22 - 00;06;38;04
Unknown
Honey. Yeah, I, you know, honey badger. You know what? I'm gonna do a little things a little way. Skunks. But again, you fight like honey badger. Don't give no shit, right? Yeah. You. Yeah. You live? Yeah. You lived in Florida. So you know about these random animals, but, like. Yeah, that's why I'm recommending now. So it's giving me these weird things that I, you know, I'll watch it and you'll watch it.

00;06;38;06 - 00;06;54;07
Unknown
Yeah. You know, no subtitles. So even worse, I don't know. They do it, but there's only talking me, honey. So there's a guy, so you don't need to hear the guy. Yeah, it's the honey badger. And that's. Why. Would it be sadder if the guy is talking and you literally just like zoning him out because you're more interested in Badger 2025?

00;06;54;07 - 00;07;18;19
Unknown
We're all being zoned out. That's I mean welcome. We're just that's the entire topic of social media. We're all being zoned out. I'm so I'm watch honey Badger, you're already gone. It's. No I'm not I'm not watching the video for the humans. I'm watching it for the animals. I don't care. I'm sorry. Let the honey badger shine. Poor animals just being used.

00;07;18;21 - 00;07;36;24
Unknown
I mean, do what? Ethically. Yeah. Don't. Don't abuse them ethically. Don't abuse honey badgers. Even though they can take, venom, from any snakes in the world. Yeah, yeah, I learned that before social media. I learned that before I learned the Discovery Channel. Right. There you go. There you go. See, when you watch Discovery Channel, you don't give a shit about the people.

00;07;36;25 - 00;07;57;11
Unknown
That was my TikTok back in the day. There you go. Yeah. Just, doomscrolling. Discovery Channel. BBC in nature or whatever. Haven't seen it in forever. Is it still so? It used to be about nature and stuff. And then it turned like aliens. Well, the Discovery Channel, Discovery Channel, was it another, is it TLC? There's one of the or the History Channel, I think the History Channel.

00;07;57;11 - 00;08;15;02
Unknown
Yeah. But History Channel was always kind of in the now it's like the aliens built this and it's I mean, how many times is going to talk about World War two though, you know, because after a while there's so many other words you can talk about. So it's, you know, after some point. True. I wonder if they had like a licensing deal that they couldn't talk about something that's right here, the World War two.

00;08;15;02 - 00;08;30;18
Unknown
I just stand for, for like, no, the next 100 years. You have to. I'm glad there's a new way of colonialism. He's like, all right, look, we have this war, all right? We talk about it here. You can't talk about it there until the license runs out. Exactly. But it's a very it's the exclusive exclusive rights and wars.

00;08;30;18 - 00;08;48;29
Unknown
Unfortunately, that's the world we live in. Well, I don't know how you been. How's Berlin treating you? It's been an all right. It's weird. Summer, It's, you know, the deal. Producing pain in the ass. Yeah. I don't even know if I'm allowed to curse, I assume. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. Curse? Yeah. We've been talking about, like, I don't know why I got all proper after me.

00;08;48;29 - 00;09;04;21
Unknown
Like, I try to. Don't give a shit, give a fuck over everything. It's like, do you know what I know? So back to Pinterest. People are gonna be like, she's super old. I am, Pinterest is not the way it used to be before. Anyway. It's just a bunch of I shouldn't know. Oh, yeah? Yeah, everything's AI generated.

00;09;04;21 - 00;09;28;12
Unknown
It's just super annoying. So it's, What's the craziest thing you saw on Pinterest that you're like, all right, this is clearly a, it's a lot of, I don't know, I just I don't like, search for it. I just like scroll because the algorithm, like, kind of gets, What I want. I think it'll just be, like, in a possible interior design or like a garden that's not real.

00;09;28;12 - 00;09;43;17
Unknown
And it's like, who's who's who's doing this? What is it, like a garden, a studio apartment? Yeah, kind of like it'll just be like a garden of, like, if you look up small gardens or something like a small patio and it's just like, super I generated. I don't know, it's just like, no one's no one's doing this. It's very ridiculous.

00;09;43;17 - 00;10;08;00
Unknown
Yeah. It's. And pictures like the last stronghold for anything like genuine Pinterest is great for back in the, in the days when if you want to start like an online business, Pinterest really help because Pinterest is technically a search engine. Really good. Yeah. So any articles that you had back to your website about, like your topic of expertise, you could use Pinterest to make money off of that.

00;10;08;00 - 00;10;29;28
Unknown
If you sell a product or something like that, that's like an evergreen product. So something that's like, oh, are forever going to be, usable like an online course that's about the topic or something that you don't have to keep updating. Pinterest is really good for that. And, I don't know now is I stuff now it's I now to try and sell you I packages, you know, pretty much for $5 I can sell you a prompt that makes you, create a.

00;10;29;28 - 00;10;53;16
Unknown
Yeah. Patio. Yeah. Terrible. Yeah. But look. But, No, I've been good. Just been here all summer. Apart from a couple of days. Took a little vacation producing, going back on tour. We're talking about this off my, Tour? Yeah. Tour life. Tour life. Very fun. It's. Yeah. I mean, I'm very glad that I got to do this, and it's really crazy that I get to do this, but it's not at all glamorous what people are like.

00;10;53;16 - 00;11;12;08
Unknown
Oh, my God, you're going to. I'm like, it's, you know, calm down. It's not. It's really not. And there's always like going back, I guess, word on social media before going back to like how it's supposed to be something like really cool that you go on tour, but then also you don't want to I don't I don't want to bullshit people.

00;11;12;10 - 00;11;36;08
Unknown
I don't want to. You have there has been a certain level. There's people out there that make things bigger than what they are to look more successful. But then it's like you're feeding into this loop of like all social media is bullshit and I don't and I always ask myself like where am I on that scale of like there is a certain thing of like being like, oh, look at like how many people came to the show.

00;11;36;08 - 00;11;48;29
Unknown
And then when you produce, you're like, well, how many of those people like, we're on, like some kind of guest list or something? How many do you want? I mean, like how many? You know, you you guest host for other people, you're like, I know how many other people got here for free. That's not. Do you know what I mean?

00;11;48;29 - 00;12;09;11
Unknown
Like, it's like, let's not let's not bullshit. But then there is a sort of thing of being like, I believe in my product, and then I have to get asses and see it's. So I do kind of get that, but then it's yeah, it's I always ask myself about that with social media of like, okay, I have to promote, I have to post or I'm going, but it is a lot harder than it looks.

00;12;09;13 - 00;12;27;19
Unknown
At what point do you just kind of like go with an illusion versus being like, listen, y'all, this is not this is not. It's out to me. I love you have to really love what you're doing to be doing this. But like, it's not glamorous. But thanks anyway for supporting me and showing up and coming to the show, you know what I mean?

00;12;27;19 - 00;12;45;27
Unknown
Like, it's just, I always think about that. I mean, what do you think people get wrong about touring, like, as a comedian? Out here in Europe? Well, there's two things. I think if you are not in the industry of any kind of entertainment industry, I think it looks a lot cooler and more glamorous than it is.

00;12;45;29 - 00;13;10;00
Unknown
It's a I talked about this with Patrick. I don't know if he's going to release it, maybe later on. But, we talked about touring as well, and we're talking about this, this thing of like. You feel lonely when you're like, yo, you're lonely a lot when you're on tour. Because it's like the times that you want to be around people you can't be in, the times you don't be around people you have to be is this weird thing.

00;13;10;03 - 00;13;25;18
Unknown
It's like a cats. Like you don't want to be around people unless you choose to, you know? And, I think a lot of comedians get wrong as a lot, especially people. I mean, I'm pretty new as well, but like, even you, where people, they're like, yeah, they see someone doing. And that's when I talk about the bullshit side of it.

00;13;25;18 - 00;13;42;02
Unknown
This is all like, oh yeah, and they think it's you. And they go do it, and they do it in all the wrong ways. And then it's like, oh yeah, this is hard. It's like, yeah, yeah, it is. Or even worse, they'll sign up with someone that like promises them like this. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll do it for you.

00;13;42;02 - 00;13;58;19
Unknown
Then it's like and then neither person gets the result that they want and it's like, yeah. Because you took the easy way out. Because you have you no one's going to care about your work more than you. All right. So you have to put in the work and you can't just sign a piece of paper and be like yep I'm going to have you do this for me.

00;13;58;21 - 00;14;15;07
Unknown
And then it doesn't end up the way you want it to be. Right? And it's like, yeah, because what value do you hold for someone at the stage? Yeah, yeah, that's true. And I guess, that thing about time and how much time before because, you know, there's an argument, I guess, about having someone to take over the promotion and marketing and stuff.

00;14;15;14 - 00;14;34;06
Unknown
But then I guess to your point as well, like how much time? What where are you in your journey to like, divorce yourself from that experience of producing your own shows and then figuring these things out, which is, kind of inevitable whether somebody else figures out for you or you figure it out, but you still have to go do that work.

00;14;34;13 - 00;14;51;19
Unknown
But you'd be surprised how many people are still or at least I mean, I can only speak of this scene here in Europe, but like, there's stuff self-produced, but it took them years to even hire someone to just do the organizing. But they're still self-produced, so they'll still, like, they'll be the ones running the ads and stuff there.

00;14;51;19 - 00;15;12;19
Unknown
They'll be the ones looking for the venues, even if they pay someone to do that part. So, it is a lot more work than people realize. And the thing that but even just even if you're not training, just producing shows, it's like, oh my God, people don't realize how hard it is and how much you have to really love what you're doing because there is you're not you are not making money as a comedian here.

00;15;12;19 - 00;15;35;27
Unknown
You're making money as a producer. And that's what it is. And it's like, how many, how much more time you're spending on on ads and creating shows and then doing the graphics and doing the advertisements and making the videos, how that is so much more compared to like writing. No, that is the truth. Like we are doing a lot more producing than we are writing and or just being a comedian up on stage.

00;15;35;27 - 00;15;56;12
Unknown
So it is, it's something I wish people would know, especially new comedians, that it's like, oh, because then they'll come in, they'll have like a free show. They'll be like, yeah, I'm running a show. It's like, are you really, though? Because it's it's because these people have full time day jobs to fall back on. And it's it's a totally different it's totally different.

00;15;56;13 - 00;16;12;02
Unknown
Right? Because then it doesn't matter if you failed or not. But those few of us that are actually making money off of this, it's like, yeah, I guess you got the room to fail. And I guess it's that thing of where we're in a position where we don't have full time. Yeah. So like, the stakes are high. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00;16;12;02 - 00;16;26;17
Unknown
But you can kind of see, like, not the writing on a wall. We can start to see the writing happening to where somebody is like, oh, I want to do this and this, and this is like, well, at this level, you haven't even done at least the basic. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know. Yeah. And again, like, I'm fairly new as well.

00;16;26;17 - 00;16;44;05
Unknown
I've only been doing this three and a half years, but wow. Yeah. So, but I, I got, you know, I took the opportunities that were presented to me early on like I started, you know, working with propaganda comedy. I was like, started guest hosting some of their shows. I was, I was tour manager for like two years.

00;16;44;07 - 00;17;04;22
Unknown
I opened for the people that way, like, so I kind of like had a lot of opportunities really early on that I could just jump on and like learn from. But yeah, I think it's it's I think about the people that are like, oh, I want to do a show. It's like do it, but do it in a way that's not screwing over other shows in the sense.

00;17;04;25 - 00;17;25;08
Unknown
And do it in a professional way at least that like do your research or stop taking from other people. Okay. So yeah. So interesting. I mean so many angles to go about it. Right. Like in terms of, the you're a very organized person. I am very organized. I'm very organized, very organized. That is very key.

00;17;25;08 - 00;17;42;14
Unknown
And a lot of people don't have I'm working on like, I will have it maybe by the time this is out, I'm working on like, a notion template, you know, notion. And they use it like, for, like, a this is what I use to organize my tours and finances. So some people had asked for that. And so I'm working on that to like.

00;17;42;17 - 00;17;59;19
Unknown
Yeah. So because you have a skill that a lot of people don't have, which is that organization, but not only organization but attention to detail. Yeah. You know what I mean. Like attention to detail. So you have those two things and a lot of people don't, you know, or they they learn it via, trials and tribulations or pain really.

00;17;59;19 - 00;18;25;19
Unknown
Yeah. It's kind of like oh I this how many taxes and I all this how much in taxes. Okay. I need to go ahead and you know yeah. No I if it's not written down for me it doesn't exist. Like I need to have it down. Otherwise I'll forget or and I literally it's also really good to have a tracking system and whatever way you use it, if you're producing a lot of shows and you can kind of take a look at where you were a year ago, it's like, okay, am I doing better or the same or worse?

00;18;25;19 - 00;18;47;23
Unknown
So what's got to change for me to move the needle? So I think that's also good to like have some sort of way to track and be organized in that sense. Just to not want to walk into traffic after a tour and like, dude, I mean, I just be like, okay, because it's so hard. I don't know about you, but I'm like, I have a hard time celebrating wins because the second I'll have like one second of like, okay, this is great.

00;18;47;23 - 00;19;03;08
Unknown
And then I'm okay. What's the next product? Yeah. What's the next thing I gotta focus on? I can't be in the moment ever. I'm always thinking of, like, the future or the like. I'm never the same. So having something that tells me like, okay, well, listen, where were you the last time we were in the city or a year ago?

00;19;03;08 - 00;19;19;16
Unknown
Or look at, you know, that I can, like, pull up my information and then be like, okay, I'm actually doing better than I thought I was because this is where I was a year or two ago. So that does help for that. I think that's maybe another reason to be organized. So you don't, you know, just. Yeah, really focus on the next things.

00;19;19;16 - 00;19;41;07
Unknown
But where does that come from? Because that is something that does not especially for comedians or entertainers, that that because, you know, you also have done a lot to in terms of like the performances yourself, dance, you know, you're a dancer at one point, but like, where did that come from in terms of being organized or like being attention to detail, anxiety and immigrant parents?

00;19;41;09 - 00;20;03;29
Unknown
That's kind of, one feeding the other. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, I mean, I this is always me. There's not there's never any point in my life where I was disorganized. I was like, I got to get my should. No, it was always like I always had so much going on that I was like, I if I didn't have, like, a, you know, before iPhones and stuff, I would have like, you know, an actual physical calendar and write things out.

00;20;03;29 - 00;20;23;18
Unknown
And, so that's just something I don't know. Nature versus nurture. I don't know, but I always had that, I yeah, I was always pretty organized and also like. Yeah, when I was a dancer, I would produce my own. I went on tour a couple times as well, and I produced my workshops. I was teaching as well.

00;20;23;21 - 00;20;39;02
Unknown
So just also having I didn't have the same tracking system that I use now for comedy, but I kind of had something similar of just being like, okay, this is what I need to get to this amount that I want. Like, you know, just to kind of figure things out. That way I would, I, I kind of, I mean, the people that are just like, yeah, let's just do it.

00;20;39;02 - 00;20;56;22
Unknown
I'm like, oh my God, wait, what's going on? Do we have this, this, this is this and that. The other, you know, because, yeah, it's, my brain works that way. My brain, it's always thinking, like, 20 steps ahead of being. You know, I'm never going to tell someone, don't do an idea. But I'll always be like, okay, but have you thought of this?

00;20;56;22 - 00;21;14;18
Unknown
This this is this. Okay? Yeah. So, you know, that's great. Try it. But you got to, like, do all these other things too. That is hilarious. Because, yeah, even having that type of thought process, I would imagine that you probably throw people off or you probably be considered a Debbie Downer. I'm not trying to be this guy.

00;21;14;20 - 00;21;32;08
Unknown
Yeah, I'm in the same boat. Yeah, but like just the whole because you bring the reality to where, like quickly. Yeah. I think I figured out a way to not sound like because there are some people that. And I've had Debbie Downers in my life before without them seeming it. But it's just the thing of like, communication. I've been like, okay, but have you thought of this?

00;21;32;08 - 00;21;49;19
Unknown
This is that in a in the way that they're like, oh, but did you think of this really versus like that's amazing. Great. Like if you need help with this like oh you know I think that's the difference there. Kind of just communicating to people like that's amazing. I also I don't give my advice unless it's asked for okay.

00;21;49;19 - 00;22;05;12
Unknown
So that's I think that's, that's I think the key also like if you tell me of an idea, you're like, I want to do this one. Like, okay, cool. Amazing. And then if you're like, what should I do? Okay. This is what I would maybe recommend to do or this is what I would do, but I don't give advice unless it's asked for just because people don't take advice.

00;22;05;12 - 00;22;23;16
Unknown
And second of all, but it's true. Like, who am I to give any advice? Anything anyway? So I mean, you, you have, you have a lot to you. But to your point, it's like even when you try to be like, yeah, okay, good, good. Yeah. Maybe this is assumption, but I feel like, you probably don't have as much patience to do that for a while.

00;22;23;16 - 00;22;54;21
Unknown
If the person they ask for advice, type thing, I don't have patience. That patience for people that don't care enough. That's where because it's like when you care about let's, let's say a show that you're going to produce because you're talking about comedy. You're going to if you actually care, you're going to come to me with like I looked into this, this, this, this I think what do you think about the, you know, you come with your facts and your evidence of like, I, I'm not showing my work, versus if you're just like, oh, yeah, I don't know what to do.

00;22;54;21 - 00;23;11;11
Unknown
It's like you're wanting me to do the work for you. I'm not doing it. That's the thing. I don't have patience for people that don't care. Because the people that actually care, they they look into stuff. Yeah. And so when it's someone like that where you're just, like, asking me, like, I've had a couple people put me like, I actually met up with a couple comedians.

00;23;11;14 - 00;23;29;26
Unknown
They wanted my information, advice, whatever on like marketing stuff. I'm like, I'm not at all an expert in it, but I can tell you what I do, what I've done before, and then we can have a chat and then so we talk about that or like I, you know, email marketing, for example, I met with one of the comedians and we talked about that.

00;23;29;26 - 00;23;49;17
Unknown
And, you know, how to get started with that. Nice. You know, but then it's like they came prepared. It wasn't just like, hey, let me. Yeah. I don't like pick your brain like this. Hahaha. I can't stand and I can't stand it. Listen, I whenever I've approached the comedian for any kind of like how this has been like twice now I'm like, hey, I have the show idea.

00;23;49;17 - 00;24;06;26
Unknown
I see that you did something similar way back when, and they're like in a different, different continent. And or, you know, different country. And I'm just like, listen, I want to do something similar. What do you think? I will always offer to pay a consultation fee because I'm taking their time and I will have questions prepared. And all the times that I've done this, I've only done this a few times.

00;24;06;28 - 00;24;21;24
Unknown
But the comedians, I think they're just happy that someone message them in a cohesive way that's not going back and forth and this and that. You know, I've been like, oh, by the way, what about it's like, no, you have everything prepared. And then they're like, no, don't worry about it. We'll just jump on a call like, thank you though.

00;24;21;24 - 00;24;41;11
Unknown
Wow. Because that's I'm taking their time. Who am I to assume that they're going to do it for free? Yeah. Again, these thoughts here that you have are not native especially pisses me off. This this this is what pisses me off because for me, it's a part of professionalism no matter what industry are in. And I was a dancer for like 17 years.

00;24;41;14 - 00;25;09;07
Unknown
This is a normal thing of like when you're at a level of like teaching and being professional, like there's a certain like ethics and professionalism that you have as a, as a person that does this. And it just baffles me that people don't think about this. And then I'm like, why am I? I'm the weird one. Maybe I am, but like, I just try to make people's lives easier if I'm going to reach out to them to like, ask for something which is very rare, I'll try to do any kind of research before I have to actually ask someone, because their time is precious as well.

00;25;09;09 - 00;25;30;01
Unknown
True. And then if I'm going to take your time, I'm going to offer to pay you for it. Yeah, because why not? Yeah. That's that caring is not normal. No. You're. That's great. Yeah. That's the kind of money that is the crux of my my disdain for people looking. Yeah. That kill you. Something that's going to be on my on my tombstone.

00;25;30;07 - 00;25;53;10
Unknown
She got back because people didn't care enough. You're sick of hearing you. You're like, yeah. So you know, amortization, you know, caring about people's time, reaching out in a timely matter. I'm like, that is weird that it that you you give a shit about people's jobs. You okay? No, no, this is truly like, I'm not going to like that is the crux of what pisses me off.

00;25;53;10 - 00;26;13;05
Unknown
Most of the time it is not so much people. If people make mistakes, it's not about that. It's just about people not giving enough of a shit to, like, do any kind of research or to not like copy other people's things or to not. Yeah, that is the crux of my angst about the world. Yeah. Time. So wow.

00;26;13;05 - 00;26;31;00
Unknown
I mean because yeah, I, I because again like I, I'm, I kind of feel like where you're coming from with this right now in terms of like having this, again, attention to detail, being organized and just having that meta skill that kind of filters is way to how you communicate with people, how you handle your shows, how you go about your day.

00;26;31;02 - 00;26;57;19
Unknown
And unfortunately, a lot of people don't have it to the extent you have it. So maybe not. And maybe then then I try to remember this as well. You know, when people aren't as deranged as I am, that's fine, I get that. Okay. But, I don't know. For me, it's just like I always think of it like, I don't want to waste someone's time with something that I want to do, like, so why would I approach them for, you know, just be like, hey, can you help?

00;26;57;19 - 00;27;13;16
Unknown
It's like, no, you got to have what you need, what you like, get to it. So then to figure out if I'm even the person to help you for that, you know, I could be. You could be wasting your time as well, talking to me. So, yeah, somewhere in that dancing career you. Have you gone through some shit that really made you this?

00;27;13;19 - 00;27;38;10
Unknown
No. They figure that out because it's like, did this. No one just dumps you. Yeah. Look, I have some story that I got burned bad, and I'm like, okay, never again. Definitely been burned bad. But I don't think that that's the reason why I'm as organized or whatever you want to call it as I am now, I think, I think it's just I always think of it as back to, like, professionalism and how few people actually think about that.

00;27;38;13 - 00;27;54;21
Unknown
Just from basic thing. And I think the dance, the thing about the dance community, when I was a belly dancer for almost 17 years, we would talk openly about a lot of things, like pacing or because you don't want to undercut other people for a gig. If you undercut your band, like you don't get invited to things.

00;27;54;22 - 00;28;10;26
Unknown
Oh, wow. And rightfully so. Because if someone calls you up for like, what's your cost for this gig? And then, like, I can find someone cheaper and you're the cheaper version, why should you be? And knowing better, I'm talking about, like, you knew better. You had like you and you just wanted a gig. Because, again, you don't live off of it like other dance, you know?

00;28;10;26 - 00;28;28;13
Unknown
So it's all these things that we talked openly about this not something I wish we did more, here. I don't know if other cities do this, I don't know. I think comedy is kind of the wild, wild west of entertainment. I feel like because I was like, damn, how are we more organized dancers then? Then comedians like that, to me is crazy.

00;28;28;13 - 00;28;42;20
Unknown
I mean, dancing, you got to dance to a beat, you know, you gotta make sure you organize. Yeah, but it's not even that. But I'm talking about, like, it's not even like dancing. It's not even that mainstream. Like it was belly dance. So it's like it's such a small puddle of, like, people. It's not even a group of.

00;28;42;20 - 00;29;03;23
Unknown
It's just like, I don't know. And comedy's just so much more known and yeah, open. I don't know how to explain. It's just more common of like an would you say like belly dancer is like, well, first of all, I seen videos. I actually know this one girl. She's a belly dancer out in New York City. Her name, I mean, her name is.

00;29;03;23 - 00;29;22;01
Unknown
She's from NIS, France. Her name is Emily. Emily kazoo snake or something. Because some Emily called because Nijinsky or something. French dancers. Yeah, but she's out there. She does belly dance and stuff, but she's always with, like, another person. So I don't know if, like, when you do belly dancing or at the time you did it, were you always with another person like you guys?

00;29;22;01 - 00;29;40;25
Unknown
I mean, like in The Trooper? Yeah, in a troupe or a duo or something. Yeah. So I was in in a dance company in Orlando. I was part of a troupe. And, so I was with them until I moved to England to do my masters. And then when I moved out there, I did more solo stuff, I did more competitions, and then I started touring more and stuff, doing workshops and teaching.

00;29;40;27 - 00;30;03;08
Unknown
Okay. So yeah, when I was living in Florida, I was part of a dance company, and so we were like ten people maybe, and we would do other gigs, but we'd have like theater shows that we did and stuff and yeah, so you can imagine that, like when there's like a group ensemble, like the more of a group there is, the more it's let's just say things become more shared or so just out of necessity.

00;30;03;08 - 00;30;21;08
Unknown
Are you guys together surviving? And. Yeah. Yeah, there were definitely more people. So it was the thing is, like, we would maybe be a group of ten, but there were some people that, you know, everyone has a different view of it. Like there's some people that definitely took it more seriously than others. And I think I was one of the people like, I want I don't want to just learn the craft.

00;30;21;08 - 00;30;36;20
Unknown
I want to learn the culture behind it. Oh, the language, the meaning of like so we would like there was like myself and two other people in the group, maybe that we would travel all the time to Miami to take workshops. So there was a lot more workshops and festivals happening in Miami than in Orlando. So we would be like every few months we'd be there.

00;30;36;23 - 00;30;59;16
Unknown
And then when I moved to Europe, like I would be, I would like travel to go take workshops and festivals because the festivals, in Europe, they would have more teachers from directly from Egypt because it's just easier to travel then go to the States. So I got to like learn even more. So that was, that was like how I was like, okay, I was never just take it at face value, but like, okay, but why?

00;30;59;19 - 00;31;21;02
Unknown
And then I would like learn more about it. But there's definitely people that were just like, yeah, okay, is cool is a cool thing to do. And you know, because yeah, to audition, to get into the company as well. Okay. So it wasn't just like any, you know, you have to be good. But like, you know, there are some people that are just like happy to do dress up and do it versus I was like, no, but this is like, I want to make sure I'm doing it properly and like I'm no more about the culture and stuff because.

00;31;21;02 - 00;31;38;07
Unknown
Yeah. So. Okay. All right. That that's that's interesting. That kind of gives me an idea of like how maybe the culture was when it came to like working together and things. Yeah. You know, stand up unfortunately is like, at the end of the day, a single player game in its performance. Yeah. Although it involves a lot of people.

00;31;38;07 - 00;31;55;21
Unknown
Clearly you have the shows, you got people, the venues you got like, you know, obviously if you at higher levels, marketing person, all that stuff, but you're judge man of your performance is you. Yeah. And you know, like somebody can like forget to turn off, turn on the mic. But people looking at you like, yo, why you're not walking here?

00;31;55;21 - 00;32;22;13
Unknown
You're like, yo, I turn the mic. Is the venue messed up? They're like, yeah, but you when you like. Yeah. I thought it was really interesting. I said this to Patrick as well when, when we did whenever I again, I don't know when this is going to launch for him, but I was telling him, like, it's interesting to me, people, I feel like shit on comedians a lot more than they do any other kind of entertainment, because it just seems easier because there's very little to get started as a comedian, a microphone in your hand, and that's it.

00;32;22;15 - 00;32;40;22
Unknown
And so until people actually try to do it an open mic themselves, they don't realize how hard it is because it's not just writing, it's it's it's performing. It is figuring out, do I have this pause here, this. But where do I you and all this stuff? It's it's an art in of itself. And so it appears easier just because you are you're just talking right.

00;32;40;23 - 00;32;56;26
Unknown
Versus when it's like dance, for example, people can appreciate because they're like, oh, because I can't dance like that or I can't move like that. So it just looks more impressive to them. You know, because it's a good dancer. I'll make it look easy, but there's still no like, well, I can't move like that. So it's very interesting.

00;32;56;26 - 00;33;16;02
Unknown
People just shit on comedians a lot more. Also now also going back to social media, this is where we're going to circle back around to my hatred of social media. I think people are also just like, they'll see, like a 15 second clip and they'll just think that that's for better or for worse, they'll judge a comedian based off of that.

00;33;16;05 - 00;33;35;28
Unknown
Where I've known people that have been following people and it's just these little clips, and then they go see a show in person and like, well, that wasn't anything that they're like, that wasn't even comic. What was I there for? And then versus people that will post stuff and then like, oh well what are you posting? I had someone, I saw someone post and again, I was always on a women's clip because the internet is great to us.

00;33;36;00 - 00;33;58;21
Unknown
So, being like, well, why are all the outfits the same? I'm like, it's from our fucking special, you idiot. That's crazy. That yes it's common. Yes. Also it's common number one. Number two. Yeah. That's how promoting a special works, you idiot. You're posting clips from the special for you to fucking go. What? Like what? What is she supposed to fucking Superman her way between every set?

00;33;58;21 - 00;34;15;09
Unknown
And just like that made me so mad. It's like this person doing actual jokes I've been working on for years, and this was like, yeah, you outfit was like, really? You would be surprised, dude, if you want to know my this where my disdain style, just watch any female just not even be any woman online and look at the comments.

00;34;15;09 - 00;34;37;07
Unknown
And then it's just like, oh yeah, this is why Gina hates the internet's like, truly? Because I'm just like, people. People are fucking insane. And so, but yeah, it's a lot of people that will watch 15, 32nd clips and be like judging for again, for better or for worse, either super fan and then when they go watch a show, it's not what they expected because yeah, it's edited online, all right.

00;34;37;09 - 00;35;02;16
Unknown
Or it'll just be like, oh well this was the and it's at or whatever. And then it's like, yeah, but have you gone to see a show in person? Like it's a different vibe. Anyway, it's really interesting. I think it's kind of fucked over, how people perceive comedy. That was my point. No. Yes. I mean, you know, these even, bigger outlets that, have people go up for, like, a small amount of time and then they have them going on actual tours around the country, and it's kind of like, I like, you know, this is egregious.

00;35;02;16 - 00;35;20;14
Unknown
Like, I mean, you don't even know how much time this person can do. Yes. Are you expecting me to do, like, literally 10 to 20 times more? Yes. Or even sometimes 100 times more. The actual time you're like, yeah, yeah. And I've and I've heard of people that definitely were just like, yeah, I'm going to go do an hour.

00;35;20;14 - 00;35;42;23
Unknown
And they had like, they didn't even have 15 minutes. And then they ended up just talking to the crowd. And it's just bro. Yeah that's rough. And to be honest, I mean this kind of brings it. And you know, we still in comedy. We're both comedians that like that in it. You do need that type of like levels to achieve to make sure you good.

00;35;42;23 - 00;36;00;28
Unknown
So then like when you go out there that, you know, it doesn't end bad because, look, people are not forgiving with comedy or, or any entertainment really. Like once you see bad ones, depending on how bad it is, it's going to determine if you ever give it a chance again. Yeah. So imagine you going somewhere painting money, going to a small town.

00;36;00;28 - 00;36;23;15
Unknown
They this is like oh we look at our night owl. This person looks cool from our culture. Whatever. You go out there and you do something that's not even remotely like I can see maybe where, you know, then it kind of shoot you in the foot a little bit. Yeah. And I think that's something now live, live out here in Europe of performing that like is so wild, wild west that you know people can do it which is good is great.

00;36;23;15 - 00;36;40;06
Unknown
I mean like, you know, there's no barriers to entry and stuff. But at the same time, like, unfortunately the barriers come at a later point, like there are some barriers to entry, which just maybe you can see it in front of you. Yeah, you may see the barriers might be invisible. And that hurts more. Yeah. Because then you're like, wow, I'm hurting.

00;36;40;06 - 00;36;55;05
Unknown
Why am I running to something? I can't go forward and it's hurting. Why? There's no wall. Why am I. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, at least for sure. And it gets even worse when you notice some barrier like, oh, it's a barrier because of this shit that I can't change of being. It's. Yeah, that's that's a hole.

00;36;55;05 - 00;37;14;16
Unknown
There's like a little club of people that are just kissing each other's ass that promote is just like, oh, well, I'm not part of that. Yeah. So and that's like one barrier that when you see it, you're just like, okay, well yeah, I'd rather have a barrier that I can see. Yeah. You know, okay, this is around. Yeah.

00;37;14;19 - 00;37;27;20
Unknown
It's like you running into the glass. Yeah. You're trying to get out the door and out out to the patio. You're like, boom! What the fuck? Why are people looking at you like, are you okay? Like, did you just run into the air, you know? No, no, I swear there's something in front of me that like it. Sure, sure.

00;37;27;23 - 00;37;45;00
Unknown
You know, I'm trying to get to the next. Yeah, the other gaslighting you. And it's like, no, no, no, we got over the beer. I'm like, yeah, because you're part of the group. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And then you then you finally see somebody just slide the door open. You like, oh. Okay. It's a sliding door, right? There's a sliding door.

00;37;45;00 - 00;38;04;06
Unknown
I'm thinking there's a door you just walk into. But, maybe to give you some backstory a little bit that, for if people don't know, you, you are, Bayesian, right? Yes. And, you live most of your time in Florida. Yeah. I was there for. Well, yeah, I was there for 13 years, and now officially spent most of my life in Germany.

00;38;04;06 - 00;38;24;25
Unknown
Which makes me sad, but. Yeah, well, not to, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, but, Yeah, yeah, but I was born originally, and I was born obviously in Bosnia, I guess. Okay. Until I was about three and then we moved to Bavaria. And then live there for like six and half years. And then they moved to Florida.

00;38;24;27 - 00;38;42;29
Unknown
Bavaria. Do you remember anything about the very like your time there. Yeah I remember, I remember primary school, I remember the first three grades that I went to. Yeah. And yeah I mean we kind of moved around a lot. So the last place I stay that I remember was the place I was there for the longest, which I think was three years.

00;38;42;29 - 00;39;12;14
Unknown
The last three years that I was there. So I remember it was like a small village. Okay. Small. Well the thing got out you know. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So yeah because Bosnia and the during this time it was like the war that was happening. We left right before the war and then and then obviously when it was, happening, we were in Bavaria already, and then when it ended, we would travel when it was safe to travel, we would go every summer to spend time in Bosnia with my grandparents and aunt that were there, and then we'd come back.

00;39;12;19 - 00;39;33;22
Unknown
Nice. That's dope that you still connected. You was able to go and. Yeah. See your family stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then we moved to the States. We had to wait until we all the paperwork was in progress and stuff and order and all that. And then, I remember we went once or twice, I think, afterwards and then, you know, nice as though we still kept, kept a connection there, you know.

00;39;33;22 - 00;39;51;12
Unknown
Yeah. So I would imagine, though, like, as you move into different world, you know, maybe in Bosnia, you don't remember too much of it, but using, Bavaria and then moving from Bavaria and then was the first place you moved to Florida? Orlando. Yeah. Orlando place. Yeah. Okay. So drastically different. I've been to Orlando and, Yeah.

00;39;51;15 - 00;40;14;16
Unknown
What? Orlando. Was it Orlando or Tampa? The Orlando is where Disneyworld is, right? Yes. Okay. So downtown. Yeah. Yeah. Downtown Orlando and stuff. Especially during like the 90s. Yeah. Oh my. Yeah. It was not. No, it was not sunshine and rainbows was definitely not Disneyworld. It was some other way. I moved here in 98. So I don't think I started going out to downtown Orlando until I was in my teens.

00;40;14;18 - 00;40;30;16
Unknown
But there's not much I don't know about now, I haven't I again, when I go visit, I'm just there for two weeks a year now, so I don't like, go, and I just I don't do anything. I don't everyone's like, oh, you're going to town like, no, I don't know what it's like when you visit your family, but when I'm there, I'm like, oh, I'm working.

00;40;30;18 - 00;41;01;07
Unknown
Yeah, yeah, my parents run a business. Like I'm there with them. I'm running errands with them like I'm doing. I'm not there to vacation. It's not a vacation for me whatsoever. So I'm there, like, and I spend time with my parents and my and my brother. So that's kind of it. But yeah. So I don't know what downtown Orlando was like now, but it's not, it's not I don't know, I think they try to make it like like bigger cities, like New York or like, maybe like a European vibe of being like, look, you can walk around and it's like, do you want to though?

00;41;01;10 - 00;41;22;26
Unknown
Not right, probably not. Have guns. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's like that's for all of the states. Pretty much. Yeah. Pretty much yeah. Yeah. So Orlando okay. And and use Orlando for a bit or so like that. Yeah. And I'm assuming because the last day it's about Florida, right? Alligators, rednecks, guns, hot heat, hurricanes and bikini.

00;41;22;28 - 00;41;44;21
Unknown
Okay, so would you say majority of those stereotypes are true and I should say rednecks because I feel like rednecks for us is where the more north you go in Florida, the more southern it gets. Because Orlando's like Central Florida. So I was always used to like multicultural. That's actually of it. Like all my friends were like, are they from former Yugoslavia or Latinos?

00;41;44;21 - 00;42;11;16
Unknown
Like that was really. Yeah. So I have like 1 or 2 American friends. So yeah. So yeah, that was like one. Yeah. I went to public school like normal, like I don't I didn't go any the most that I would say like the most American presence that I had in the 13 years I lived there. When I went to a private college and I was the diverse one, and I was like, well, no, this is interesting.

00;42;11;17 - 00;42;35;00
Unknown
Yeah, it was scared. So I was not. I was like, I looked around, I was like, why am I here? I do not want to be here. Oh shit. So yeah, it's very diverse from people from like the no, that part of Europe and, and you know, you got the Latino Latino culture cultures. Yeah. So when we moved there to Orlando, I think it was actually the one of the Serbian churches that helped us, like, find apartments and stuff.

00;42;35;00 - 00;42;53;11
Unknown
And so you were placed in 1 or 2 apartment buildings with the help of this church. If I remember correctly, it was a church, I believe my parents told me that was a church. So, so obviously everyone in that community was from former Yugoslavia, was was from Bosnia, a lot of Serbians there. But there were, you know, there was a couple other people like myself, that were also like Bosnian mixed.

00;42;53;13 - 00;43;13;10
Unknown
And so we all, you know, and you and then the states, it's you go to school where you're based in the district, like where you are living. Yeah. The little district here. Yeah. So we all went to the same schools, most of us, you know. So that was kind of like it. That's how you how everyone knew each other.

00;43;13;14 - 00;43;29;27
Unknown
Right? And our parents, obviously our parents would know each other's parents like to the same. But like, do you remember that? I'm like, I don't know who you're talking about. Wow. That's some of you. Yeah. Immigrant, like, culture, living in America. Same thing with me. Like, you know, born of Liberian parents. The church was like a place where everyone conjugated more for just like everyone just here.

00;43;29;28 - 00;43;49;27
Unknown
Yeah, just to meet other people that were similar to you or not. Everyone live in the same area. You know, friends, friends that your mom and dad became, your aunts and uncles. And so then you, you know, who was your roommate? Oh, yeah. Every eastern, every Christmas, there was like, one person, that that one family that would have parties would go to their parties, our parents and also our birthday parties.

00;43;49;27 - 00;44;07;06
Unknown
Like, I don't know if it was the same for you. Like, the children's birthday parties are never for the children. It's like the parent. It's like there's two parties happening at the same time. It's like outside by the pool. It's like the parents are getting drunk and like, you know. And then inside it's the kids that that there's two.

00;44;07;06 - 00;44;23;13
Unknown
And that's like the families of all the people that your parents know of, like the, like, Yugoslavian community, all that stuff. And yeah, the that's that is such a yeah. Like the half half of the party is like all for, you know, just going to the cooler majority of coolers full of beer and a whole bunch of other stuff you got to dig up.

00;44;23;16 - 00;44;38;10
Unknown
No. So to I do have a separate cooler for beer and a separate cooler for the drinks for the kids, but it didn't have a label. So you just go, you just go like, oh yeah, you see, this thing's full of Guinness. I mean, you see, I mean, you know, look, as a kid, when you see, like a dark bottle that looks very like, you know, hard to open.

00;44;38;10 - 00;44;54;22
Unknown
Yeah, it is for adults. That's funny because I don't remember that. I don't my I don't know if your parents are like this, but my parents were never like. Because again, we're raised European. There weren't, like, taboo about drinking. They were like, if you want to try, just do it in front of us. Like, we'd rather have you do that.

00;44;54;22 - 00;45;17;25
Unknown
And then my brother and I never grew up with this. I never I didn't start drinking till I came to Berlin. And even though I don't drink like, I just, I don't drink because it makes me feel like crap afterwards, so I just don't do it. Well, yeah. I only gotten drunk when I was in Berlin, so I was Berlin the first place I ever got drunk, because and to be fair, it was never a taboo.

00;45;17;25 - 00;45;37;07
Unknown
Also, you're driving everywhere, so I've been driving since I was, like 14. I'm not going to get behind the wheel of a car if I have a drink like that's. Yeah. No, definitely you don't. Yeah. Don't do that. Kids listen to us. And then when I lived, I did live in England for like three years to do my masters.

00;45;37;07 - 00;45;54;14
Unknown
And then there I didn't. I didn't drink there either, so I didn't. Yeah. Didn't really drink until I came to Berlin. And then even then I don't, I don't really like I'm, I'm a super cheap drunk. Like this would get me like that. I'm done. Hold on. How did you how did you escape drinking through all of that for.

00;45;54;15 - 00;46;13;10
Unknown
Yeah, it's up to you if you're saying like, hey, try some. Which, by the way, where you were living at, I mean, might as well then. It's not that bad. Sorry. I'm sorry. I will say the thing about Florida is it is a bit like living. Like how I imagine everyone in the States when they. They don't know what it's like until they leave.

00;46;13;10 - 00;46;36;10
Unknown
And Florida. This I didn't know there was so many. So I didn't know the rest of the country was scared of us until I left Florida. Because you don't hear people shitting on floor you all. You mean there's other people that live in Florida? True. And this was also like pre social media. Pre I mean, I'm really dating myself Pinterest and then know like how old is she organizing your social media.

00;46;36;10 - 00;46;56;15
Unknown
What kind of shit is that? Oh, I'm only 35. Okay, I might say I oh they're like, what is this, grandma now? But it's I didn't realize everyone made fun of Florida so much until I left and met other people from the US and other countries, and they're like, oh, Floridian. I'm like, it's, you know, it's all kind of the same thing.

00;46;56;16 - 00;47;15;06
Unknown
We all have the same pride. We have the same love for like, it's all it's all the same. Yeah. To me it was I was looking at it from like a European Balkan like in Germany, raised like person of being like, this is me. You were in this all the same. Like, it's like craziness. Either way, it's crazy to me that guns are allowed anyway, right?

00;47;15;06 - 00;47;31;05
Unknown
It's crazy to me that we have active shooter drills and I'm like, trying to go to class like it's crazy. Do any of these things you had that. Yeah. So it's like, oh shit. Yeah. So it was just like, that is different. Yeah. Well, yeah, I did. And I was like, this is the thing. I was like, am I doing revisionist history?

00;47;31;05 - 00;47;44;09
Unknown
Because I was talking to a friend who we met in high school, but he had lived in Boston before, and I was like, do you did you ever have active shooter drills? And he's like, no, we never had that. And I was like, I'm pretty sure I'm like, am I imagining it now? But I'm I was like, I need to look at this.

00;47;44;09 - 00;48;00;03
Unknown
I need to Google this. I'm pretty sure we had this. I remember crouching down during like they'd turn off the lights and like, yeah, because that's what they teach you like to step away from the lights and go and hide in the closet and, like, turn off the lights and make sure you. Oh, wow. There I was, like, I didn't imagine this, I do, I'm pretty sure this happened.

00;48;00;03 - 00;48;14;29
Unknown
I have to look. So I don't want someone to call me out and be like, they didn't do this until 90. Whatever. Well, most of you Europeans watch this and I assume it doesn't matter yet, but I'm pretty sure we had this because I vaguely remember this in middle or high school. I remember not exactly when. Wow. Active shooter.

00;48;15;05 - 00;48;34;13
Unknown
I'm pretty sure we had this. Okay. Because yeah, that's not, American state. Why? That's not a, nationwide thing. Definitely not. Has this. Yeah. If anything, it was like, if anyone I mean, I have to Google this. And then if if I'm wrong, I'll have to ask you to edit this. Did. This is by no means a maybe I had a nightmare.

00;48;34;15 - 00;48;53;14
Unknown
It's not a factually accurate podcast. Just I don't want to be that podcast. So actually, let's keep this in vaguely right. Yeah. Just give this that. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, I didn't realize Florida was that crazy until I left. And I think not in defense of Florida, but I think one of the reasons why is because our media laws are different.

00;48;53;16 - 00;49;17;06
Unknown
So they're, in Florida, like, you can look up anybody's arrest record, really like public knowledge. So this is how news would get their information. Oh, wow. So if you were the crazy Florida man that went on that got high off of basalts and tried to find an alligator. Yeah, that anyone can find that. So it's public knowledge.

00;49;17;06 - 00;49;35;01
Unknown
So this is what I like. The news would pick up on that. So it's not that necessarily that we're crazy. I think it's just it's more like oh you know I mean oh you just you blow my mind right now because that's why people are crazy. Because they can't even revise themselves or have redemption. Right? Because imagine you try and get yourself a job.

00;49;35;01 - 00;49;50;19
Unknown
Now imagine trying to be a financial advisor. Yeah. You know how to do a background check. Of course you got if it's probably don't check. And you see like you're the guy that was sniffing bath bath salts and is like was ripping down the, paint off a car doors or some shit. Yeah. And then, you know, some alligators going to be like, nah.

00;49;50;25 - 00;50;11;08
Unknown
So now now, you know, you ain't causing felonies or nothing. You just have to, you know, have too much fun, officer. Yeah. And now you can be a finance. So now you just stuck in that in that crazy guy from Florida. You can't escape. Yeah. Wow. It's like you going to jail and coming back out and having a record, but without any of those things.

00;50;11;12 - 00;50;29;19
Unknown
Yeah. So your arrest record is like public. You can look up anyone's if they're if they got arrested in Florida, they can. It's there. And then what happens is like the news will look for news to report on and then they'll use that to present on it. Yeah. So nobody see. Yeah. Yeah. So this is why it seems Florida's crazier just because of our news.

00;50;29;19 - 00;50;50;25
Unknown
It's like our media or I guess not our media, a little bit like the public records law. It's. Yeah, it's there's no doubt it's there's it's it's oh no, no, that and no doubt John Dutton is owning or something. I know they, they shine on the just shining the day. They be like, hey here you go. But yeah, but no, I didn't drink until I moved here.

00;50;50;25 - 00;51;09;09
Unknown
And then even I don't really drink, so I don't want a wow for for Berlin to be the place where you first drink. No wonder why you don't drink. I mean, this is a city where you want already. This is like advanced level. Yeah. Is is so available. Everything not looked down upon. If anything is like, look down on you not to try not to drink.

00;51;09;09 - 00;51;29;03
Unknown
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I mean I definitely I just never had this urge to because again, my parents are just pretty like, just don't, you know, they're trying to like, make sure my brother and I didn't feel. Because the thing is, growing up there, it's so interesting because the few American friends that I would have when I hang out with them, I was like, who's raising you?

00;51;29;03 - 00;51;51;14
Unknown
Like, I was like, where are your parents? Because it was insanity. It was insanity. It was absolute insanity. And then when I would hang out with, like my immigrant friends, we would all kind of have similar, like growing up, like, you know, like just people trying to freaking survive. And we didn't have this craziness. None of my none of my friends are in the same boat as I am, that we're immigrants from other countries.

00;51;51;14 - 00;52;06;08
Unknown
And I was never like, oh, they did this and that, and they got in trouble for the now, though, the trouble with the law, they got caught. It was always my American friends would you say the reason why is because the threat for you guys were a lot bigger. Like it was like, you know, the threat was really.

00;52;06;11 - 00;52;31;06
Unknown
Yeah. Because, you know, you guys just got there, so you don't want to mess up what you guys got, I think, I don't know, I, I think it was more. I think when I moved to the, the States when I was like nine and there was a lot riding on, on me and my family. And then why would I want to be a disappointment?

00;52;31;09 - 00;52;51;22
Unknown
They've sacrificed everything to get us there. Why am I going to go be an idiot about it? And that's, I think, the immigrant mentality. Yeah, most of us I think so, yeah. I mean, so even what you're saying there, that was like a thing that was built internally and things about like family name as well, being like y'all don't bring shame on our name.

00;52;51;23 - 00;53;12;19
Unknown
It's like that. Or even saying, I don't know, I don't know if you ever had this about how the name, like the, the name of your family carried weight to an extent in terms of like saying like, yeah, not want to say weight, let's just say is referenced in a way that's like, you know, I'm not sure why I'm trying to make it because in America to, to do the same.

00;53;12;26 - 00;53;27;11
Unknown
But like, let me go backwards of saying like the whole thing of like the stakes involved were like, okay, let me not mess this up. If I do, it not only shines on me, but my family. Yeah, yeah. Like that thing is like. And not only not on your family, but it's like, all right, well, we're trying to be in this country.

00;53;27;12 - 00;53;42;13
Unknown
I'm pretty sure you got your family. I had talks about like, hey, look, we're trying to be here. I don't even remember dropping those, to be honest. I remember having those conversations. I think it was always something since I was younger and then knowing coming or from, like, a war torn country and then seeing the effects of that.

00;53;42;13 - 00;54;00;11
Unknown
Once we got to visit my grandpa, I think there's maybe that, maybe this is why I am the way I am, because I had this, like seriousness to me and of caring as well of this thing of being like I've seen and we got lucky and like, we got lucky that we got to leave right before we got lucky that my grandparents survived.

00;54;00;11 - 00;54;21;10
Unknown
We got lucky. And even though they got sick, still relatively lucky that we were able to leave when other people didn't get to. And so having this, it's this responsibility of being like, well, don't fuck it up. And so, you do a lot of things for your parents approval, or at least as like the eldest and the firstborn and the only daughter.

00;54;21;12 - 00;54;37;29
Unknown
You do a lot of things for your parents approval, even though maybe they don't specifically ask for it like I got. I also really like my parents are pretty modern when you compare them to like, other people that I grew up with. Like my parents never cared about me. Like needing to marry someone from that part of the world, like they were like.

00;54;38;01 - 00;54;50;18
Unknown
And that sounds so trivial, but there's so many people I grew up with that was like, the thing that they were like, you have to, like, also marry within your culture. My parents never cared about that. My parents never, ever were like, you have like, really? We don't care if you get married or not. Like, not, you know?

00;54;50;19 - 00;55;17;12
Unknown
Wow. So never having this pressure of like a lot of things that other people did have pressure for. But I think it is also just this thing of like when you grow up surrounded by so much trauma and sadness that I think is really hard to I don't know, it would have been really weird for me to like, act out and and do stupid things like some of my American friends were coming because, it would just be like, well, why am I going to put my parents through that?

00;55;17;15 - 00;55;31;10
Unknown
Why would I put them through this after they've gone through so much? Like, what's the point? And I was, I, I was I had no interest in doing the things that they were doing. I had no interest in getting drunk or doing drugs to this day. We were like, oh, do you try that? I'm like, no, I don't want to know what's in my brain.

00;55;31;10 - 00;55;48;17
Unknown
Let's let's move on. I'm already I am the way I am, as you can tell I am. Yeah. I don't get to know what's more like, is it going to relax? No, I don't need to be relaxed. I have questions, I don't have exact. I don't have questions. I know who I am, I'm good with it. Like I know you generally like I can't.

00;55;48;20 - 00;56;06;10
Unknown
So don't you want to find yourself? I'm right here. I exactly. Oh my God. Yeah. The whole finding yourself thing. I'm like, why you got to be found? Why you just don't be a dick and that's it. That's all you need, all you need. Or the last for you that. Go back there. Look underneath the couch. I find a family photo.

00;56;06;11 - 00;56;23;20
Unknown
No, this is who you are. Finding yours like I think. Isn't that the whole thing? Don't be an asshole. That's it. Isn't that whole thing of, like, let's let's care a little bit about people and not be an asshole. That's all you. That's all you need. Finding myself. Need more? Yeah. Go look. Look. Underneath the refrigerator, you might find a family photo.

00;56;23;22 - 00;56;44;11
Unknown
That's why you look at your baby photo. As we look at the world, we're. Yeah. So, So, yeah, I had a lot of friends that were also from similar immigrant backgrounds. And then it was just like this thing of, like, Americans or to me, that were like, Jesus Christ, like, this is crazy. Yeah. That separation too is something that's, it's so I don't know, maybe.

00;56;44;11 - 00;57;15;00
Unknown
Yeah, maybe. Here you have two of, like, how you see the differences between your cultures or maybe immigrant cultures around you and then like, Americans, as you say, right? Where you kind of like, there's a, there's a difference that starts to develop. Yeah. Based on, like, how you interact with the world around you. Right? Like, you know, for you, you, you know, you kind of like, although you got there, you know, you was born in Bosnia, you traveled around, but still you being raised there, there still you had that immigrant, way of thinking and view.

00;57;15;01 - 00;57;32;03
Unknown
Yeah. But you in America and you around kids are your age. You're kind of like, oh, come on, let's drink. You're like, now. Well, you, me, I was like the sober driver every single time. Like, I was just like, yeah, because I just had no interest in me whatsoever. Yeah. And, yeah. And to this day I'm like, yeah, I, I don't really, really care because it just makes me feel like crap.

00;57;32;03 - 00;57;48;27
Unknown
What am I going to do? Something that makes me feel sick. I don't understand this. What? I don't feel good. What does? Something that makes me feel bad. We all do something every week and meals and being very liberal with that to where we regret it. So that's not a way to live that way. But I don't like cookies.

00;57;48;27 - 00;58;04;21
Unknown
I know I'm going to crash as soon as I you how you want a cookie? You don't have 20, you know what I mean? Some days are rougher than others, you know, some time I to take the edge off, you know, and yeah, maybe Berlin gets you kind of, you know, riled up. So you got to, you know, have a couple of cookies.

00;58;04;23 - 00;58;23;20
Unknown
Oh, God. Is either that or some other substance and. Yeah, that's true. No, I just don't leave the house. That's that's my situation. I just stay home. Unless I gotta leave the house for a cake. That's my way of surviving. You do. You do definitely go home with me to. You're like, hey, I'm out by way. Yeah, I, I people.

00;58;23;20 - 00;58;39;22
Unknown
It's not that I don't want to hang out. It's just like, all right, I got a yeah, I'm old, I gotta go. Yeah. So scenarios I'm like fair enough. Yeah, yeah. Good job. Yeah. You really stick to your schedule. Oh, I bet you got to sleep. You got. I feel like that's a. It's not that I don't want to hang out with like other comedians or aftershow.

00;58;39;24 - 00;58;58;00
Unknown
It's just like this. That's the other thing too. This to me is work. And so you don't stick around after you're 40 hour a week job to hang out with your coworkers more, do you? And I mean, that's probably not work, you know, because it is very fun work. But there's a certain point I'm just like, I've the thing is, it's not like it's not just I'm doing spots and like, let's just hang out after it.

00;58;58;00 - 00;59;16;11
Unknown
It's like, no, I've fucking produced a show. My voice is leaving my body because I've hosted all week. I'm stressed about the tour and like, it's like, I gotta go home and sleep. Like, that's all you gotta hand. Oh, you gotta talk about the weird stuff that's happened in the world. Like I've said, Debbie Downer. Debbie Downer is he could bring us back to reality.

00;59;16;11 - 00;59;32;25
Unknown
So we get you can interrupt our, abstract, conversation about weird things that will never affect their lives. You need to do either. This is why we need you. That's what I don't get. I to hang out there like, oh, God, that something's not. Oh, we talk about it. Why would you think that? Yeah, well, what's the point of this?

00;59;32;25 - 00;59;45;27
Unknown
Go clean your room. I like my inner long clothes. I feel like, Good. Yeah, well, hey, I think I should start heading out.

00;59;46;00 - 01;00;01;24
Unknown
What's the point of the hypothetical? Shut up. Oh, no. Oh, this is going to affect the bottom line. Yeah, well, you know, Yeah, that's a I won't go to Sweden. It's cold right now or. No, I wouldn't say it when someone I was like, I want to do the like I'm never going to be the person that says, don't do that.

01;00;01;24 - 01;00;20;10
Unknown
It's not that I'm never going to be that person that says like, because I know people that are like that. But on the flip side, though, sometimes a little bit, sometimes, it's tough, I get it. It's tough when entertainment sometimes delusion and things need to be there because, you know, it's sometimes it's just. Yeah, the logical way is very, sobering, let me say.

01;00;20;13 - 01;00;38;01
Unknown
But yeah, sometimes you do need that person there to just kind of set not the tone, but just because you've been doing this for a minute, right? So ain't coming from a place where you don't know. Yeah. That, you know, okay. This venue or like, this, way of traveling, you know, like, okay, do I take a plane here?

01;00;38;01 - 01;00;53;14
Unknown
Do I go take a train? Do I take a flixbus? Right. I think you probably talked about flixbus. And then I was like, nah, I should be good. Then I took it. I'm like, wow, my body still hurts from that experience. I will never do that again. Flixbus never. I actually have a oh, you're going to think I'm insane.

01;00;53;14 - 01;01;17;15
Unknown
I have a list called Lessons Learned. Oh, and I'll just because you forget sometimes the the shit that you've had. Yeah. You know, because it's like. And then you're like, I gotta mentally get over this. Otherwise I'm never going to be over this, after when something went right or like, I'll put it in like a list of, like a running list of, like, things to do and things I the things I learned basically from a show or tour or something like that.

01;01;17;16 - 01;01;41;17
Unknown
Did you have a job before? Did I have a job? Like a corporate job? Court. Yeah, yeah. So happens somewhere in your professional career to make you organize. I'll tell you, this is not normal. Something happened. I don't think this is. Something happened. So we're used to the will. Lessons learned. As you think comedians are doing that outside of writing jokes.

01;01;41;24 - 01;02;01;23
Unknown
What are you talking about? Lessons learned. I got a notion template to help me out with my touring schedule. Something happened that day. I'm so sorry I let you down. So I had let you know how many people have let me know good. More myself than anyone else. But like, this is why I have the lessons learned. Thing.

01;02;01;26 - 01;02;20;27
Unknown
No, it's an. I've never gotten organized because of a job. I swear to you, it's never been because. Lesson learned. That is, That was like I had. I don't I don't remember the point where I was like, I got a can you read a book or something? Maybe. Yeah. You. Oh, yeah. You read a book or something even like you saying that because I, I'm also in the same building.

01;02;21;01 - 01;02;38;00
Unknown
Oh, that you're saying I'm for it. Yeah. So I also feel your pain when people are like, what? You're kind of like, All right, well, I guess it's just me alone, writing my lessons learned. I guess it is weird to, you know, archive my thoughts and my experiences so I can re, you know, reference them at a later time.

01;02;38;03 - 01;02;56;12
Unknown
Wild. Whoa. Okay. I debrief about what happened, about my experiences home and end of year. You know. So. But how do you what is the difference in that in, like, a journal or like journaling. How do you know that was loose? You don't go back, you know, I mean, at this point of it, you don't go back to be like, this is where I was.

01;02;56;13 - 01;03;10;00
Unknown
When you're like a shitty mood, you're just like, it could have been worse. The only time you go back to your journal is if you by to throw it away and you're like, hey, I think this means something. And you look at it, you're like, oh, wow, I can't believe. But if I can't journal, I don't have the okay.

01;03;10;00 - 01;03;27;24
Unknown
Yeah. So something really happened. So you got that I can't I don't journal I don't know I, I don't know what do you oh all I'm doing is working. What are my, my thoughts are I got a fucking cell to get to use my thoughts. How do you feel about you feel sad when tickets don't stop getting worse?

01;03;27;24 - 01;03;46;21
Unknown
Me? Every day. What am I going to journal every day? I feel sad every day. And then I'm going to feel like I'm just gonna put times seven because that was the time seven close the book. You know you're feeling sad seven times that day. You move on. You now sad three times that day. Progress. What is the point I'm going to look back on like I was I was sad a lot.

01;03;46;21 - 01;04;05;18
Unknown
That's wow. What a percentage of change of sadness that I had within a one day period to see that in my way. Oh, is this one my way is less depressing because it's just facts and figures. It's not a feelings in there. You don't need emotions now. You know you're very good coming out. Hold on. You gotta tuck that in a little bit.

01;04;05;19 - 01;04;31;21
Unknown
Are we in Berlin? I feel like that's my Balkan. That's like, there's no motion. Okay. But, yeah, Balkan mess with American. Balkan mix with the freedom of American culture for you. That's why Americans are too emotional. You think so? Yeah. In what way? In the way that, a lot of the decisions are based off of emotion versus, like, I don't know how to explain.

01;04;31;21 - 01;04;48;21
Unknown
Like, if I just look at, like, the people growing up and friends and like their arguments and things, I'm like, yeah, but that's not the reality of the I don't know, I feel like Americans just focus way much more on emotions. Okay. More. They have way many more words. I have like a bit about this, but they have way many words about like therapy.

01;04;48;21 - 01;05;09;27
Unknown
Things that I swear to you wouldn't even cross our mind because that's just the way things are sometimes. I don't know, would you say that's recent though? Because I feel like, you know. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. That's. Yeah, that's I would say that's like a recent thing not to. Yeah. Feelings. And you know, certain words you may use and it's kind of like, all right, well, this is, it is say I'm not a cold, heartless bitch.

01;05;09;27 - 01;05;29;09
Unknown
Like I'm all for feelings and stuff, but it's just, I think, oh, God, I'm going to look so delusional after this episode. It's, we're not delusional, but deranged. Sometimes your emotions don't matter. You just got. You got to do it anyway. You got to do this, you know? I mean, yeah, you're you're definitely immigrant. You grew up with a lot of friends.

01;05;29;09 - 01;05;48;00
Unknown
Yeah. Now that's literally. Which is why it doesn't matter. Like I'm not dumb. Listen, don't don't quote me out of context. Oh, I know you have, but you're not. For example, other than example, talking about social media again, I really hate social media. I hate listening videos, I hate editing, I hate it. I think it's the worst thing that's happened to civilization in the last couple of years.

01;05;48;03 - 01;06;03;18
Unknown
It is terrible. It is not a good thing, but it is part of the gig. So what does it matter what my emotions are about it? If I figure out a way to do it in a way that doesn't like, you know, keep me, you know, insane, then it doesn't, you know, at the end of the day, my emotions don't matter about it.

01;06;03;18 - 01;06;22;21
Unknown
I have to do it. Yeah, but why don't you post then? Like, why? I mean, why do you don't like it? Why you don't like it? It's like, I don't like it because of what we were talking about before. It's this thing of, like, people, we all live in our own bubbles of what is on social media, and it's so hard to get out of that, for better or for worse.

01;06;22;21 - 01;06;50;10
Unknown
And, like, I think it's just ruined a lot of people's opinions about things. And it's just it's it's just create an echo chamber regardless of where you are and whatever spectrum of anything of political or whatever. All we, all we're doing is confirming our own beliefs and it's not helping anybody know, like, do you and I mean, like, and it's, especially as a woman online, it is people are terrifying people are crazy and creepy.

01;06;50;10 - 01;07;16;06
Unknown
So it's just like, I don't want to put myself out there on that because I work for, you know, and people feel there's this thing on social media. People feel entitled to other people on their. Yeah, it's really strange. I'm like, why are you who are you? You're not entitled to anybody's information of anything. Yeah, it's it's a they call it parasocial like connection where like you feel connected to a person.

01;07;16;07 - 01;07;33;19
Unknown
It's you're not you're you're watching them while you take a shit like go, which is the most intimate time of most people. Things you know, but that when you think about it that way, most videos are watched when you're in the back, like we're pacing so much. Yeah, I mean, that's why the connection is so deep, right? It gets you on the toilet.

01;07;33;20 - 01;07;58;07
Unknown
Yeah, it's everything's out, but saying to feel that you are so entitled to someone's anything opinion, life, whatever, because you saw a 32nd clip of them. Yeah. That is insane to me. Right? While taking a shit while taking a shower. So that's that's a that's a deeper connection right there. Yeah. You know, they say dogs only take shit in front of people they're comfortable with.

01;07;58;10 - 01;08;24;21
Unknown
I'm not. Yeah. I'm not saying where anyone in the world are dogs, but you know, dogs blink, then they have eyebrows. So there could be a correlation to it. They blink and have eyebrows and they take sits in front of people that they trust. They they're they're sad. Okay. They have feelings. Okay. Right. So I mean, honestly, dogs are the only reason to still be on social media if it weren't for funny and cute, knock on dogs and cats.

01;08;24;23 - 01;08;45;23
Unknown
What are we doing here? Yeah. What are we doing? Yeah, that is a good balance, right? You know, a good little palette reset when you're watching or scrolling through podcast that should not be on and stuff like that. Most of them. Yeah. It's just like two men being like, well, yeah, for breakfast. Oh don't do it. It's like, okay, you ever had eggs that was scrambled all the way?

01;08;45;25 - 01;09;07;23
Unknown
That's the thing to I think social media is people manipulate you to feel talking about feelings, to feel certain way, just based on the background music and the way things are. But have you seen these videos? They'll make fun of them. There's some that period. Yeah, but it's so true. Like it'll just be some like it's just for clicks and likes and it's this, this like conversation taken from a podcast.

01;09;07;23 - 01;09;25;26
Unknown
Then you add some magical, mystical music and you're like, oh my God, this must be the most amazing thing I've heard when it's just common sense. I'm not. That shit pisses me off. And like people, please bring back critical thinking skills because that is not motivational whatsoever. There are motivational videos for sure. I'm going to love you for that.

01;09;25;26 - 01;09;45;16
Unknown
So now I want to start to manipulate you and to be like the most basic thing of like, you know, if you drink a glass of water a day, your headaches will go away. Wow. Yeah. It's like it's a good reminder on a soundtrack. Oh my God. You know what? If you need a reminder to drink water, well, you have other things to worry about.

01;09;45;16 - 01;10;05;15
Unknown
Yeah, if you're like, I didn't drink any water. Thank you so much for reminding me some sad music, dude. No, it is the most out of pocket thing you want there. With some motivational music and some nice little logo. Yeah. Graphics. You know, dark is dark. Dark? Yeah. Of course. Always like a black and white. Have to drink water every day like you own it.

01;10;05;16 - 01;10;22;28
Unknown
You know, it is the most that. And people are like, yeah, 98 million likes, a million likes for this shit. And I'm like 90% come see my show. That's why I can pay rent. Yeah. Here's this joke I have that's kind of nuance unless you listen to it. Oh my God, it is the money. And this is what I don't.

01;10;22;28 - 01;10;39;19
Unknown
It's just so it traps you in and people will stop thinking. And they're just on social media thinking that they're connecting with people, but they're not and isn't insane. And you think you're being you think you know, but something about a person just from a 15 second clip, by the way, and it's just insane. So how you think we can solve the problem of social media?

01;10;39;19 - 01;10;55;13
Unknown
We think we can throw our phones away and we don't. Whoa, whoa whoa, hey, whoa. Got a drastic, radical. Oh, I don't know about you. This is a great lady, but we have WhatsApp. I don't know how you communicate with your family. No. Go back to landlines. Is what we need to go back to when everyone got to remember.

01;10;55;14 - 01;11;10;15
Unknown
You. Do you remember anyone's phone numbers? Do you remember how smart we were back in the day? I fucking remember ten people's phone numbers at the same time his shit went down. Whose number do you remember? Now? I know about five. You do really? Yeah. Okay. That's good. All I know is the same childhood phone number that I had, like my parents still have.

01;11;10;16 - 01;11;30;10
Unknown
That's funny. Same here. Yeah, that's one of them. Yeah, but that's really actually two, two numbers. Yeah. So it's. Yeah, we got to go back to landlines and we got to meet in person. We can't do this online chat anymore. We can't. You know what that's I think I might have to agree with you because I'm in too many family group chats and, WhatsApp and is starting to get annoying.

01;11;30;10 - 01;11;47;13
Unknown
Group chats are the worst thing. Yeah, I can't stand a group chat. Yeah. You can't. Especially one with family because it's like you don't want to remove yourself from it because there's actually like argument. Yeah, yeah. For one is argument. You will get a call if you show so so left. Yeah. You will get a call by at least 3 to 5 of those family members that are asking why.

01;11;47;13 - 01;12;02;17
Unknown
And they will grill you. Yeah. Second is that there is a way life changing things that do happen. So it's almost like this weird thing where you can't check all of it if fully, you kind of have to be in it, like, because you like, so, so got married. So so what happened? What? And then, you know, there's at least 20 more messages.

01;12;02;19 - 01;12;22;05
Unknown
Obscure. Facebook. Yeah. Videos being shared or somewhere different because I have a really small family, so there's no group chat. It's just me messaging my brother and then me messaging my mum, who's my dad. So it's like, that's it. Those are the only two chats. Me, I get like 30 alerts every day. Yeah. It's it's you can't do a group chat.

01;12;22;05 - 01;12;43;07
Unknown
I can't, I don't I don't blame you. I'm talking about and the thing is it's within 30 those messages somewhere in there or something important. So you got to like mentally. Well fine. What's this? What's happening? Zoom, WhatsApp. You can get WhatsApp if that's the way to contact people that live far away. Sign up a messenger, get rid of messenger, Facebook messenger.

01;12;43;07 - 01;13;03;09
Unknown
Yeah. Oh, it can go to hell. But it's a stupid thing. You don't use these no use messenger. But it's like I use messenger because it's like for shows and stuff that people were. So I, I put like my shows on groups. I have like a show, there's a group chat needed. I don't like the Instagram one because there's no way to find the message like it's buried.

01;13;03;09 - 01;13;22;14
Unknown
If I get too many DM. Like it's really strange. At least Facebook now lets you pin what so it's like for upcoming shows. I have it pinned again. I'm very organized. Okay, you this is not. Look, we're going to find the top ten tips from you. And everyone can also be just as weird as you in organize. I don't think I'm weird.

01;13;22;15 - 01;13;37;27
Unknown
I know you know, weird, but I mean, yeah, it is a straight no. I pin it because, you know, even then on on messenger if you want went into many shows, you're just like, where the fuck is this like thing? So yeah, I have that pinned the just so in case I need to. Oh, like what? Where am I in the lineup or what is happening like.

01;13;37;27 - 01;13;54;22
Unknown
Yeah. Haven Facebook Messenger is just annoying as well. But Instagram is worse because you can't find shit at all. You can't find it. It's really strange. And then, for some, I don't like having to go. It's like at least the messenger app is its own app. You don't have to go into Facebook. No, I don't have Facebook on my phone.

01;13;54;22 - 01;14;13;05
Unknown
I only know on my. Yeah. Because what am I on Facebook for. For the, you know other cat videos that you don't find on the other watch anything on Facebook. I'm only there to see messages like if something pops, if I'm already, or to set up ads for my or shows. But that's that's it. Wow. I'm not on.

01;14;13;05 - 01;14;30;15
Unknown
If you ever send a request to me on Facebook, I have not seen it because I don't go into it. So right. Yeah, but, but at least the messenger is a different app. And then you can like, figure out for shows and stuff. But Instagram, it's really annoying. You have to open the app to get into the messages.

01;14;30;18 - 01;14;50;17
Unknown
Oh yeah. Right, right. Yeah, yeah. So then you can't find anything on there every over. So I don't like it. All right. So let's do kind of, circle back ads. There's one thing that I wanted you to, this is like, I got a few more questions for you. So, one is that you had, you say you write a, top ten lessons that you've learned or so I write, lessons learned lists.

01;14;50;18 - 01;15;06;11
Unknown
And so just a running list of, like, if I feel really particularly crappy, but it's usually after something bad. It's never like, oh, this is a good thing that I. Sometimes it is, but usually it's after, like, suck. What did I make this decision? And then I'll write it on there to be like, don't do that again if you can avoid it.

01;15;06;12 - 01;15;28;04
Unknown
Wow. So what are the top three lessons learned? Oh, God. Not necessarily top three, but it's usually like touring stuff of being like, get there. If you're traveling, try not to. Like if I'm taking the train, make sure I'm there. Like fucking hours before or if I book a train, there needs to be like five hours before because the train's here.

01;15;28;04 - 01;15;47;09
Unknown
You can't rely on them. If there's like a delay or something, you be running late to the show. So that's maybe one thing I have on there. Oh, not to freak out of ticket sales are low, because usually they pick up the week of. That's usually like, just to remind myself of, like, do the show because I really hate canceling shows.

01;15;47;09 - 01;16;05;22
Unknown
I really, really try not to. I think I only do a couple of times, and that's usually because the venue needed it more or for whatever reason. But then that's just more of a reminder to me to be like, okay, well, wait, what else? I don't know, it's more of these, like, admin type things.

01;16;05;22 - 01;16;26;17
Unknown
It's not necessarily anything like life changing is just like, more just travel related type things like that, which is important thing. Yeah, yeah. I mean, sometimes you have to break it. For example, if, like, there's no other option for transportation and then you're like, well, fucking I have to do a 5 a.m. flight, I guess. Yeah, I think that's one of my things, like try not to do.

01;16;26;19 - 01;16;45;20
Unknown
Oh, when you're booking a flight, if you got like multiple options and you don't want to take the earliest, let's assume they're all more or less the same price. We got four flights out to get to your show. Whatever. The day of which is a risk anyway. But anyway, I will take, like, if I can't take the earliest flight, I'll take the second earliest.

01;16;45;20 - 01;17;06;08
Unknown
Because in case something happens and get canceled, then at least there's, like, another option. I'll take the option that there's like another flight after in case something happens to mine. Interesting. Yeah. No, no, that's actually some real information right there. Yeah. I would have never known. I would have, you know, you would have taken like the latest flight out, just like I would have taken the one that would have been closest at the time of the show.

01;17;06;08 - 01;17;27;00
Unknown
Time and or like maybe a couple hours before. So as I'm listening, I'm like, look, you guys, she's how do you resist? Like, because I mean, this thing is like been lucky, I guess. Or planes, I guess, or less like, I mean, there's always like the freaking, what's it called, like a protest or like, strike or something, right?

01;17;27;01 - 01;17;52;28
Unknown
Nowadays. Yeah. So this is a thing too. Yeah. So I always try to like go as early as you can I guess that's my thing cause I'd rather have more time in the city and in the hotel than being stressed about getting there on time. If there's a delay or something you never know. Yeah that's true. That's freaking me out more than having to figure out from my phone, like, how to move the show or you know, yeah, that's true.

01;17;52;28 - 01;18;09;05
Unknown
And then, like, where do you go if you're stuck in the middle of nowhere Germany and you still got like an hours to go? Yeah, that happened to me once. I was coming back from Lisbon and, my train was delayed, which made me miss my connecting flight. And, I had to get another, and it was a whole thing.

01;18;09;05 - 01;18;26;24
Unknown
So I rushed from the airport to my show here in Berlin. I had Eunice, thankfully. Shout out to Eunice, who had a show at Zeebo, the like after it. And I was like, do you mind if we move it like half an hour and you're there to set up, like I'm coming straight from the airport? So he got to communicate and I had to, like, write all the emails from my phone, all that shit, and I had to communicate to them.

01;18;26;26 - 01;18;41;08
Unknown
But, yeah, I did the show straight after from the airport. I was like, wow. Yeah. So that's why you're like, okay, I'll come in a day before or something or. Yeah, I mean, I just tried it. Yeah, I don't I when I, I don't know about you and I'm touring again making it sound so much fancier than it is.

01;18;41;10 - 01;18;59;14
Unknown
I don't see any of the city. I don't have the time. If I depending on the time, I usually don't have the time. I'm also just stressed about the producing part for most of the part. Like, oh, I don't there. I don't see anything, really. I don't like sightsee. No, this is the thing. My mom is always like, oh, go take it.

01;18;59;14 - 01;19;18;16
Unknown
I'm like, mama, my hotel room already. Wow. I'll take a nap if I can. Like I'm not. You don't see anything? Yeah. For me, I'm like, the complete opposite of, like I'm the one that, like, I go for hours, get lost and shit and all that stuff. Like, are you tired? Like, the time the show comes around, I not really, I don't know, do you not have, like, a routine like rip?

01;19;18;18 - 01;19;43;18
Unknown
Yeah. No. No more where you get ready for the show or do you just, like, rock up? You're like, hey, yeah. Now my routine is literally just explore the city immediately. Like, as soon as I get there, I'm just, like, wandering around. I'm looking. I'm just like, whoa, you know, like setting up stuff. And I do set up, but I guess I give myself the time and again, this is, there's definitely other comedians that like, like to lock in and, like, don't move and stuff, I guess where some me, I'm just kind of like, oh, wow.

01;19;43;24 - 01;19;59;27
Unknown
So what's a good food to get here? And I'm like exploring and stuff. And of course time is going fast. I'm just like, oh, oh no, I need to take a nap and is about an hour before a show, damn it. All right. Well then, so it's not clearly the best maybe. Yeah, yeah, but, maybe is something that,

01;20;00;00 - 01;20;24;08
Unknown
Yeah. I don't know why, but you've been doing as long you've been touring, like, for some yummy years. Had this one like multiple years. Do you have. Yeah. I started I think was going to I mean, I want to say two years ago, I think because like, the first tours I did was with propaganda so that they, probably going to comedy, they, they marketed the show and produced and I just had to show up and do it.

01;20;24;11 - 01;20;42;02
Unknown
I think that was probably, maybe the first tour that I did. And then I did start doing my own. So I did like, I think for 3 or 4 rounds with them. So it'd be like multiple cities. Oh nice. Yeah. And then I start doing now all my shows or self self-produced and all that stuff.

01;20;42;02 - 01;21;00;18
Unknown
So yeah, I think that was about two years ago maybe. And then when I was a dancer, I toured. Three to 3 or 4 times maybe. And I say touring, like doing holding a workshop outside of the city I was living in. Yeah. So that's a yeah, that's a, that's a tour nonetheless. I mean, plan dates and stuff.

01;21;00;18 - 01;21;17;04
Unknown
Right. So okay. So two more questions. One is that, again, you're very expensive, the touring and stuff, not only just the producing side, but let me just say the traveling side, that's a side that a lot of people take for granted. You just assume you just playing whatever and go there. Yeah, but there's a lot more to it.

01;21;17;04 - 01;21;43;27
Unknown
Yeah, yeah. So what are your top three tips you give to somebody that would like to tour, say, in Europe? So I would say before I even think about touring, can you sell 50 tickets locally, at least for more than one show or whatever? You know what I mean? Because I think people are like, I want to do this, and it's like, it's going to hurt your brain.

01;21;44;00 - 01;22;09;20
Unknown
If you can't sell out locally, your it's going to be even harder anyway. Yeah. Everyone else. So that would be the first thing. And then even so, we're based in Berlin, I would say, do you want to tour? Do it where you can get somewhere where you don't lose money first. So wherever the eastern side, maybe of Germany, if you want to go to Leipzig, you want you want to go to Kazan or something like figure that out or Hamburg.

01;22;09;22 - 01;22;35;25
Unknown
So that's easy to get to where it's not going to cost you a lot of money in time before you're like, oh, I want to go here. It's like, whoa, wait, just just step by step. Yeah, yeah. And then afterwards I would say expand, because and then maybe even, like if you have some sort of connection to a city, like I did a lot of shows in Lisbon, because a few years ago I was visiting Lisbon a lot like I went there like six times in a year or something like that.

01;22;35;25 - 01;22;51;20
Unknown
Yeah, I really loved it. I was considering like moving there at some point, so I really loved it there. And so I got to know the local scene and I did a lot of shows. I produced a show there with like another comedian first, and then I did my own stuff. So when I went to Lisbon afterwards, I knew I could sell there.

01;22;51;23 - 01;23;06;25
Unknown
So it was easy money and I could stay with friends. So that wasn't paid. Like and there's a Ryanair flight. So these things, you know, these were like a factors of like, yeah, it's a tour but like it's very familiar. This is like my like the place I did a lot of shows at. So try to think of that.

01;23;06;25 - 01;23;24;22
Unknown
If you happen to have connections like that. Otherwise just try to try it just step by step. Don't book like a 100 seater venue if you can't. Most of the time if you're selling, if you are on a stage where you're selling like 50 seats, which is not, this is more or less a room here in Berlin, like it's 50.

01;23;24;27 - 01;23;46;17
Unknown
It's pretty good. Yeah. Decent amount. Yeah. You might sell 2030 maybe outside of your city. And that's with, like, a shit ton of, like, marketing. You're going to have to pay for that. You're going to have to plan for that. You can't put up something two weeks before I do. I you as soon as I have a date, I put it up.

01;23;46;17 - 01;24;06;18
Unknown
But the ads run two months before an event. Because then I can take a look at like a month before. Okay. Where are we at now. Do I have any sale. Most people do buy within the first like the week of more or less. But that way you can gauge. Okay. Is anything happening. Do I need to adjust my ads so you have time to, like, adjust it?

01;24;06;20 - 01;24;28;23
Unknown
Do I need to run a sort of offer just to, like, make even? Or do I feel confident enough that it's going to pick up? It really depends on the person and their organization and their marketing and everything else. And, yeah, it's kind of I think it like, I mean, there's a lot of things it depends on the individual person, but I would say just start small.

01;24;28;24 - 01;24;47;29
Unknown
Don't be like, oh, this person's doing this 100. It's like, that's, that's the that's not you sit your ass down, start small. Because you'd rather sell out a 30 seater than have like 100 seater where 30 people only show up. Yeah, yeah. So and I think we've all been in that position even myself, I was like, oh yeah, I'll get to it.

01;24;47;29 - 01;25;11;13
Unknown
And it's like, oh something happened. Try to also oh, this is a good one. Try to also always look at what's happening in that city. If there's vacations, if the, if schools are in or out during that time, because if you're going to have parents that are not going to come, if the schools are out, if it's weekends are always better to especially I'm talking about someone that's like a no name like myself.

01;25;11;13 - 01;25;30;09
Unknown
Like I would rather take a risk on a Friday and Saturday versus my on Wednesday just because the venue is available. So try to always get especially early on like weekends are a lot better to market because the thing is, you're not selling, you are selling your shows, but you're not competing against other shows. You're competing against staying at home.

01;25;30;11 - 01;25;52;01
Unknown
And that's the reality. You are marketing a comedy show your name as you are working on your brand and your name and all that stuff. But that's not most people don't know who the fuck you are, and that's the way it is. So you're not marketing yourself necessarily. Yeah. You're marketing yourself in the sense like you are the one putting on the show and stuff and you see your jokes.

01;25;52;03 - 01;26;26;10
Unknown
But the, the attraction to a show isn't like, oh, they're going to come see you. They don't know who you are. They're going to go see a comedy show and that's it. That's you're competing against that versus anything else, versus not leaving the house versus doing any other show. And it's not even sense. There's like, try not to do a show when there's like five other shows happening that's not like, you know, Google a bit, make sure that there's not something I don't necessarily worry if it's like a big name coming the same night, if it's like, for example, like a male comedian, because like my audience is mainly women anyway.

01;26;26;10 - 01;26;41;07
Unknown
So it's like that doesn't, you know, if we're completely different, I don't really think about that too much. But just, you know, Google, make sure you're not doing something. So because it can be a lot harder to market for yourself as well. And it's also a bit like, why? Why are you putting on a show at the same time that someone else is like it's weird.

01;26;41;10 - 01;27;04;13
Unknown
And yeah, try to do it as low budget or free as possible and not the tickets. Do not sell yourself short, do not undercut, do not place yourself lower. Try to put your tickets at the range of like what's happening in the scene, maybe a little bit bigger because you're coming from, from, out of town to do it.

01;27;04;15 - 01;27;20;25
Unknown
But don't be afraid to charge, because that's the thing that makes me insane. People pricing themselves low, and then they're like, wondering why no one's going to like, yeah, because it seems cheap. The event seems cheap. Yeah. No one's coming. There's a thing of, like, people don't. They're like, well, it's only five, but why am I going to go to.

01;27;20;25 - 01;27;38;16
Unknown
It's not gonna be good. Why would I leave the house for five bucks? That's true. So just. Yeah, it's kind of think of all that and, but also on your end, obviously to, like, either break even or make a bit of money, try to do it as budget friendly as possible. Don't be like, I'm going to book Singapore now.

01;27;38;16 - 01;28;06;11
Unknown
And it's like, well, all right, you know what I mean? Like, it's just like a random thing of like, I've always if you are one to go and you can combine it and you work a day job, you gotta make it. That's, that's a whole other thing. But if you are trying to self produce and this is your gig in this new job, kind of think about that and just take small steps and you may have to be doing that for a few years until you can sell more and more and more like this year I went to Nurnberg twice because I sold out, both because I knew I could sell out there and

01;28;06;11 - 01;28;25;15
Unknown
I was like, well, fuck. And that's actually gonna help you when you kind of test what cities, not even just for your material, but also for like planning, like your tour. Some cities you may do better at and then it's like, oh fuck, okay, the summer is a low point. Can I go there? Is there anyone there? Maybe I can go back in the summer and like, work on another show, while I'm there, that would help out.

01;28;25;15 - 01;28;44;27
Unknown
So that's. Yeah, these are all things that you have to constantly be thinking about when you're touring and, I don't like to go away for more than maximum three nights in a row. It's just too much. And I don't mind going to a city and coming back to Berlin and then, like, versus, like five nights, and it's too much for me.

01;28;45;01 - 01;28;59;22
Unknown
Oh, interesting. So that's just my personal preference. Yeah, but you have you. Yeah. Yeah, but it depends on the person. Now those are some very good tips. And sometimes I wish I asked you before. Yeah. Before you like, fuck I yeah, I was, I was like, boy, did I, not follow a decent amount of those. Yeah.

01;28;59;22 - 01;29;17;25
Unknown
And there's other things like even pricing like I used to have like student admission and then a group admission and then this and that. Now I just have groups of three or more. There's a discount and then general and then I was at the door. But that's it. Like kind of if you're putting up too much stuff, it's too confusing sometimes.

01;29;17;27 - 01;29;40;22
Unknown
If you're going to put an offer, make sure you remove another offer in the meantime. So this is your bombarding people with too much in my opinion. That was take some notes here. Yeah. Because the student thing also this I don't know about you, but I would only have maybe one student every other show. It just wasn't like they can pay the two extra bucks if they wanted to come to shows where, yeah, there was some shows where, like, I guess it's a student town or something that maybe that's fine.

01;29;40;22 - 01;30;01;20
Unknown
Yeah, yeah. But most of the time when I was doing shows, it was just like it wasn't worth it to have it up there, really. So and the difference was only like 1 or €2. And I'm like, okay, well, it's not that much of a difference. So that was just me personally. And yeah, I think there's some places maybe you have to offer based on that.

01;30;01;23 - 01;30;19;01
Unknown
I think in Germany, based on the venue, if there's a there is a sort of thing where you have to offer a discount if the interest a senior citizens, they have like the I don't know, but that depends on many other things. Yeah. Oh, and don't accept crap deals from venues because what happens if you accept a crap deal?

01;30;19;08 - 01;30;38;04
Unknown
Every one of us has to accept it because you set the standard. Crap deal then yes 50% is not a good deal. Oh yeah. No no no I don't accept that there are people that will do it because again they do not live off of this. They don't care. They just want to do the show. Yeah. But you have to also think of like, what am I setting for the people that are coming after me?

01;30;38;06 - 01;30;59;04
Unknown
And it's something it's super important because the more shit deals you take, the more these venues are going to be like, oh, that's the standard. You they're going to accept it. Yeah, 50%. That's what that is. Yeah. So and you people do that. So it's either rent either you I don't know. That's the other thing too. It's like people don't know what's a good deal, what's not.

01;30;59;06 - 01;31;14;18
Unknown
And if you're paying rent it needs to be set up for you. You can't also worry about the bar if you're paying rent. Like that's another thing of like, yeah, I had to pay the bar and there and it's like, no, no, you're paying them twice. Yeah. Getting a cut from the bar. No. So and are deals like that out there.

01;31;14;19 - 01;31;39;10
Unknown
Yeah. So it like don't take a shit deal basically. And the number one thing is do not message comedians about venues unless you have tried everything to get to the venue. Like I think I messaged you about one venue for example, because they didn't answer. And they still didn't answer. But anyway, that's them. But the point is like, it's like and also preface it by being like, hey, I've tried the just the kind of show that you tried because I've had people come to me like, hey, what's your contact?

01;31;39;10 - 01;31;58;02
Unknown
I'm like, you can Google it. It's literally all the information is available on, like all the city that we're in, that is the venue. There is no gatekeeping that is open for people to hire. There's no need to to get in touch with unless again, if I, if I, when I like when I reach out to you like, hey, I've tried like three times that there's one venue you didn't answer it.

01;31;58;02 - 01;32;17;02
Unknown
Do you happen to have another email that I don't know. And then this is the thing because then again it goes back to like, you're kind of wasting people's time because you're showing that you didn't care. And it's like, I'm not doing the work for you. Yeah. You like at least for a little something in there. Yeah. Obviously it's different when it's like a local show and you're like, hey, I want to do event, maybe show what is it?

01;32;17;02 - 01;32;33;08
Unknown
Okay, like, I've had this before where I was looking for venues here in Berlin, and I reached out to the comedians. I mean, like, if you tell me, no, you don't want it for whatever. I will not ask if you tell me. No, it's fine. I won't do a show. I will not contact them for, like a local venue here in Berlin.

01;32;33;12 - 01;32;51;17
Unknown
Okay. Right. Right, right, right. And there. I've. When I call once, maybe someone was like, please, I'm. Please don't. If it's okay with you. I'm trying to run a show there. Someone already went in behind my back and did that, and I was like, that's fine, that's dope. That's why I reached out to you. Reach out. Like I always ask the person directly because I don't want to step on anyone's toes.

01;32;51;17 - 01;33;11;04
Unknown
I understand how hard is to sell, show. That's I completely understand so that I'm never going to be like what? You know, because I think it's worse if you go behind someone's back. Yeah. And it seems so small to so small to. And then you don't know what deal they're getting. So I want to try to get me someone recommended I go to one venue that you know.

01;33;11;04 - 01;33;23;21
Unknown
Well, I've told you before, I won't say them now on this podcast. And they tried to charge me higher. And I'm like, do you not know? I know the person. Like, what do you do? And then I was like, no thanks. And then they were just like, oh, why didn't want to? And I'm like, yeah, I'm not paying more.

01;33;23;21 - 01;33;40;29
Unknown
I think I, you know. Yeah. So but that's the point. Like you talk to one another, most of us are completely fine with it. Just don't be a dick. Don't go behind our backs. Don't don't do stupid shit. Basically, that's kind of my thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, sorry, that was a really long. It's it's very important.

01;33;40;29 - 01;34;02;12
Unknown
And you're somebody that know how to get this information saying in a way that's digestible, you know. Yeah. Like because sometimes this information may be known, but it's hard to either translate that or even hold in your mind to relay it again. So again, with your organizational skills and attention to detail, you're able to say it in this way, you know, to where it's like, oh, okay.

01;34;02;12 - 01;34;24;09
Unknown
Like, you know, because like angle like some of the things you said, I was like, okay, yeah, there's some things I might have thinking about because I definitely have, you know, made some leaps and bounds. You know what I mean? Despite, you know, some other, things potentially, potentially, you know, directly. But, one more question I have is, that, you know, I is with anyone who does a podcast is that you met through many different cultures.

01;34;24;09 - 01;34;42;17
Unknown
You know, you've been through, cultures, you know, being born in Bosnia for you, being raised for a little bit, then going to Bavaria. You going to school there? Primary school, then you going to Orlando, Florida. Being around people from different cultures, even, Spanish or like cultures. Yeah. London, you mean, and talk about that, you know, master's degree.

01;34;42;20 - 01;35;12;14
Unknown
You doing dancing for like, voices? 16, 16, 17, 16, 17 years. Right. And, now you in this, new phase now of you doing comedy and producing. What would be the number one advice you would give to your younger self? Oh, believe in yourself more and just go for it and try. There's a lot of things that I waited to try a lot of like career things like the dancing thing like.

01;35;12;14 - 01;35;34;06
Unknown
And I kind of going back to like, the parents, like the immigrant parents, like not wanting to disappoint them. I was so much more concerned about what they wanted versus than what I really wanted. And I think if I just had enough confidence in myself to just go, it went try it. I think my life would be very different.

01;35;34;06 - 01;35;53;17
Unknown
Like, obviously all the things that led me to the point now and all that stuff, but definitely of, like, just try it, because all these people that tell you that you can't do something, they're not doing it. Most of the people that are out there critiquing thing, they're not doing anything that's they are not doing fuck all. And that's why I'm saying I will never be the person that says like, don't do something.

01;35;53;17 - 01;36;06;03
Unknown
I'll give you advice if you want my advice and like how to do things. If you want to meet and talk about marketing or whatever, we'll have a chat. That's one thing, but I'm never going to be like, don't do it, you shouldn't do it. I will be like, well, what is it that you want? What do you want out of this?

01;36;06;03 - 01;36;19;26
Unknown
What is it that you're trying to get? Okay, what about this? Like, I will help you figure out a way if you care for my help, which is? You don't need to, but I will always be the person, like, just. Yeah, just fucking try it. Because that you are doing more than most people out there. Most people do not do shit.

01;36;19;29 - 01;36;36;01
Unknown
Most people do not go for what they want for whatever reason. That is not your problem to figure out. But, it's kind of like learning to have more confidence in yourself and ignoring what other people are saying. So just go ahead and try to do what you're doing, assuming that you're not a terrible person trying to rip off.

01;36;36;01 - 01;37;04;04
Unknown
You know, I'm talking about I'm the caveat is don't be a dick. Yeah it is. Yeah. Don't be it. Don't be an asshole. Sorry. I generated a Pinterest, boards. Yeah. Don't don't use AI for your comedy stuff. Please, God. That's a other thing, but, but, yeah, just, just, Yeah. I wish I had more confidence in myself to go for the things that I wanted to do since forever, and, not really give a shit what anyone, even my family, even when they thought.

01;37;04;05 - 01;37;21;06
Unknown
Which is very hard when you're, immigrant. But, you know, this is this is very dumb. This is a very dumb conversation, right? Because, I mean, always speaking with you. You always seem like a person of level headed. Know what you don't seem like? Just bitching or. Oh, yeah, I'm really not. I'm very slow. You know, I would say, I'm really.

01;37;21;06 - 01;37;42;24
Unknown
I think that's the thing. People are like, oh, you're actually kind of nice. I'm like, it's not, I'm not, not nice. I'm just very I'm fucking focused. And like, I do my thing. I get out, I go home and I don't. I think that's the thing. People are like, people assume that I'm a certain way just because I don't, like, hang out for drinks or weed or whatever they do after, you know, I don't if and it's just like, oh yeah, because I, I'm tired.

01;37;42;24 - 01;37;57;01
Unknown
I'm exhausted from doing all this. And it's just like, you're tired. You're not about the bullshit, you know? Yeah, exactly. That's the thing too. I don't have it in me to like bullshit because there's some people, I feel like they hang out just because they feel like they can get something from someone else. And I'm, I'm, like that again.

01;37;57;01 - 01;38;10;23
Unknown
If I need you, friend, I will offer to pay you for a consultation. Yeah, that's kind of it. And it's like if I have a connection with someone, like on a professional, like, colleague level, it's because I genuinely like what you're doing, and I believe in you and stuff like that. There's no bullshit there. I'm not going to like.

01;38;10;24 - 01;38;25;23
Unknown
Yeah, just because you run a show or a club, like I'm going to have to be like, no, I don't, I'm not. I'm not thirsty for spots. If I want to do your show, I'll ask politely and that's it. If not, if it's not a thing, it's not a thing. But that's I think some people are like, oh well she doesn't hang out.

01;38;25;23 - 01;38;46;00
Unknown
I'm like, oh yeah, because I'm exhausted. And I'm also like a decade older than most of you. Like, I'm, I am old, I want to go home and sleep, I pay rents, I want to use, I got a pension. Okay, okay. I plan on moving anyways. You know, that's all that you like. I don't want to see none of y'all.

01;38;46;00 - 01;39;05;03
Unknown
Come on, I'll be out of here. No, it's not even that. It's just like, I don't know. It's it's. Yeah, like you said that maybe I'm a little too levelheaded sometimes, but it's not because I don't like any. It's just like I'm exhausted and I. This is my job. And it is very frustrating sometimes. And, it's also hard to connect people that don't also do this for a living.

01;39;05;05 - 01;39;19;17
Unknown
Oh. All right, you know what I mean. It's a whole different, whole different thing. Whole different thing of being like, yeah, this is fun. It's like, okay. Yeah. And also two, you're one and a few people, I mean, you know. Yeah, a few people in the world, let's just say to have this self agency to create their own thing.

01;39;19;19 - 01;39;35;18
Unknown
Yeah. You know, I think that's a skill that's very, underrated. Right. Like you being able to go to a random place, do your own show, the producers sell it out like, that's a, that's a that's no small task. Yeah. A lot of comedians I know that just even thought of is like, what? Yeah. You know, nonetheless to even try to attempt it.

01;39;35;18 - 01;39;53;08
Unknown
So for me to do it at scale to have shows in Berlin, you be touring all over Europe and stuff, you know, doing good shows and doing it the right way is, very admirable, you know. Thank you. I hope, I hope if anything, I don't really I, I don't really care how other people perceive me or my show.

01;39;53;08 - 01;40;11;16
Unknown
I just want people to be like, oh, she's professional. That's that's kind of it. More so, like, if you like my comedy or not, I don't really care about that. But I don't want anyone ever to, like, look at me be like, oh, well, she went and did this and as unprofessional like, I, you know, so that's what I try to always do with my shows here or elsewhere.

01;40;11;16 - 01;40;31;05
Unknown
So nice. Well, thank you very much for doing this part. Thank you. Proper handshake a proper handshake. Oh wow. That was a strong 82. Oh she's about this is oh my god almost. She's is. So you should learn. Yeah I should put a collar on it. Some slacks. But guys, thank you for listening and are watching the Third Quarter Talk podcast.

01;40;31;05 - 01;40;49;03
Unknown
I'm your boy Nya Yeanafehn. And this is Žana what the last name please. It just click I seen that it's really hard to Fejzić I see that all the things. There you go. Put our information down there. You guys check her out. She will be touring soon. And also two she got shows out here in Berlin.

01;40;49;03 - 01;41;01;27
Unknown
Dope a** shows I performed as well. So guys, thank you very much and I'll see you guys in the next one. Peace be. There you go. Look at that. Good. Good conversation. Thanks so much.