Third Culture Talk Podcast
Conversations with people from living in cultures different than their original culture(s)
Third Culture Talk Podcast
Italian Not American, Glacier Adventures, and Italy’s Wild Regional Differences w/ Irene Carbo | Ep 97
In this episode I sit with Switzerland based comedian Irene Carbo. We talk about her upbringing in Italy and Italian stereotypes. We also talk about her love for hiking. And Irene shares a crazy story of getting stuck in a Glacier and the fun in extreme hiking.
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Music: "Chill Day" by Lakey Inspired
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Speaker 1
From the region of Genova, but are not from Genova. And when the Genova dialect I now may be a yes, but I don't understand my own town dialect is way different and we have two hours away. American state was the eat of Alfredo in America. And then they come to Italy. They go to a restaurant and then they ask the waiter, but what he's about to translate.
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Speaker 1
So you don't do Alfredo. And the waiters are like.
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Speaker 2
Is there like a Christopher Columbus monument that you guys have?
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Speaker 1
There is something. There is a statue. And I think the stool is house, that you can visit. But the thing that the story that, Christopher Columbus, when he came back from all this adventure, he died, in complete, utter failure.
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Speaker 2
Welcome to the Third Culture Talk podcast. I'm your host Nya Yeanafehn. In this podcast, we talk of people that are raised in a culture different than their parents, home culture or way of life or nationality, and now they're living in today's culture, which is vastly different than it is of our parents or even back in the day. So that's again, today's episode.
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Speaker 2
I don't know how you been.
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Speaker 3
Oh, good. Hania. Hi. Hello, Iryna. Yeah. We haven't.
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Speaker 1
Seen each other in, like.
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Speaker 3
The last five minutes.
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Speaker 2
Yeah. Your reaction is, letting me know I should do introductions better. Hello, everyone. This returns. She's like, oh, hey. Hey. Hello.
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Speaker 3
Hi.
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Speaker 2
It cold start though. Yeah. For everyone who doesn't know, this is Irene Carbo. Yes. And, she's a extraordinaire. Does comedy in Switzerland, all over Europe. She even helped me with doing comedy in Switzerland.
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Speaker 3
Yes. The first time was my.
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Speaker 1
First mini tour to organize, and it was the first time in Switzerland.
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Speaker 2
So thank you very much. You know, I facilitated all the, train rides and, you know, all the legal stuff, you know, that Switzerland has. So from Lausanne to Zurich to Basel. So she's the person if you want. You guys want to do comedy boom. Right here, you know?
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Speaker 3
Yes. Let's laugh together.
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Speaker 2
There you go. She's funny. Answers at the same time. Serious about business, but funny about comedy.
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Speaker 3
Yeah. You know.
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Speaker 1
I would just think, you know, since this is a podcast, I should probably start sitting like people on a podcast.
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Speaker 3
Really?
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Speaker 2
So.
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Speaker 3
So, yeah. Oh, what's the deal with threes I know. Oh they go left me. Oh no.
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Speaker 1
Wait. Let me just put the.
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Speaker 3
Mic like this here. Yeah. Oh I'm a man.
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Speaker 2
Yeah. Your podcast position is, shining light on the disparity of podcasters.
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Speaker 3
Wait, I have a beer. Oh, you have a beer.
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Speaker 1
I'm an influence on me.
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Speaker 3
We need.
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Speaker 2
We need more female representation in podcasts.
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Speaker 3
So comfortable. Oh.
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Speaker 2
Yeah. You actually dress too nice for the podcast. What are you doing? I, I thought you were going to be prepared to wear, just sweat pants. The shovel. You got a nice scarf. You got a.
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Speaker 3
Scarf? Look at that.
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Speaker 2
There you go. Yeah. This is this is a real person from Switzerland. And, you know, you originally from Italy, but, Yes. You know, very stylish. Of course. Is that a stereotype? That's true about Italians and stuff?
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Speaker 3
I think it's.
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Speaker 1
True. I think it's true. I mean, that's something that I miss when I travel like, even for a little thing. People put care and, you know, a nice touch. They always have a nice touch, like, combination of colors or, you know, you're out. So you have to know without a lot of blink. It's not a blink because when you go outside, even in Milan, it's not a lot of blooming.
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Speaker 1
But just like the little it has to be together, you know? For example, even today this looks like more pajama pants, but still, like, they're nice. They have a little pocket here, you know.
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Speaker 2
There you go. You know, they call it gingham, right? That's the color pattern. Gingham.
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Speaker 1
Oh, you know, even better. I mean, you.
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Speaker 3
See a little something that's, well.
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Speaker 1
Hefty to them. Not that classic, I mean, I have all tissues here.
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Speaker 3
Well, sorry. Well, hey, you've been traveling.
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Speaker 2
You need tissues when you traveling, you know.
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Speaker 1
I'm going to just put this a bit higher.
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Speaker 3
Sorry. There you go. You see the woman? So. Yeah. There we go.
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Speaker 2
Yeah, that's. You know, I make sure there's female representation with the pillows. Inside there. There you go.
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Speaker 1
Oh, there we go.
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Speaker 3
Boing, boing.
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Speaker 2
Oh, boy. Yes. So I do take care of everyone that's on the podcast. They are actually having a good time here, but, so you've been in Berlin. You. You're not new to Berlin. You've been to Berlin many times right now.
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Speaker 3
This is the third time.
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Speaker 1
That I'm coming. The first time was in May last year.
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Speaker 3
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Speaker 1
So last year, in 2023, I lost my job. Right. So that's also why I started, finally performing stand up. Oh, and, and one of the first up that I wanted to try was Berlin, because people told me outside London for English speaking comedy, Berlin is the place to be. I was.
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Speaker 3
Like, okay, well, let me.
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Speaker 1
Try. I never been, and then I was like, I'm going to combine it with, Swiss, with a German class.
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Speaker 2
German class.
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Speaker 3
Yes.
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Speaker 2
So learning.
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Speaker 3
German.
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Speaker 1
Learning German.
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Speaker 3
Yes. Oh, what's the great.
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Speaker 2
Oh, yeah. Yeah, I say it again.
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Speaker 3
Great.
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Speaker 2
Going to okay.
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Speaker 3
Oh good.
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Speaker 2
I don't know it it I mean hey you learning German. So you probably saying it better than I am I don't know.
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Speaker 1
Yeah I was in AB2 class but I it's because I cheated on the test. So I should have been at E2. So I was like every day I was like I have no idea what.
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Speaker 3
You guys are talking about.
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Speaker 2
Did you pass? Did you like.
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Speaker 3
Me? No, no, no.
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Speaker 1
The teacher was like, yeah, you're okay.
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Speaker 3
So thank.
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Speaker 2
You. Oh, that's how they did nine people. You're okay.
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Speaker 1
I mean, I can read well because I live in, I live in French speaking Switzerland only in the German speaking one. So I can get by, I can read, I can have a basic conversation. But when you when it comes to listening, I'm like a man.
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Speaker 3
You and I. What bus.
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Speaker 2
Yeah. You start talking about yourself.
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Speaker 3
Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.
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Speaker 2
Like can you have me two bags. Yeah. Actually it was a hard day for me. I had to carry many bags.
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Speaker 3
Like, what are you talking about. Just like no.
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Speaker 1
No. So that was a bit difficult, but I did it was what, two weeks? And I did, I don't know, six weeks. Right? I was like six gigs in two weeks.
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Speaker 3
This is what it means to be coming here. They know.
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Speaker 1
But yeah, I was like my first the authentic weeks that I did.
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Speaker 3
Here, I was like, I like okay.
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Speaker 1
So I did the Floating Lounge on the boat with Chris and then, what else in the world comedy, when they were still doing those, two minutes per person, not one minute. One person.
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Speaker 2
Yeah. On Sundays. Right.
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Speaker 1
It was a Sunday ones. I just landed I. Yes, because before coming to Berlin, I went, to Norway to see a friend. And so then I just landed here at the time to change, at, ADR, hostel. And I went to the wall and then there was, I what's her name is, she's Australian comedian.
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Speaker 2
Oh. She's, from the States, right. California. No, no, no, no. Steph.
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Speaker 3
The press. No no no.
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Speaker 2
She sings.
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Speaker 3
No no no, oh. Shoot.
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Speaker 1
I have a blank.
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Speaker 3
She sings.
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Speaker 1
No, no, she's Australian, she's from oh.
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Speaker 2
Barrels and.
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Speaker 3
I'm nice.
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Speaker 1
The other one.
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Speaker 2
In a barrel is the main one that does shows all around Berlin.
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Speaker 3
No, no. Oh, she's.
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Speaker 1
The funny one. She's Australian, which has, like, a reddish dark.
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Speaker 2
Oh, she moved to Scotland.
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Speaker 3
She was a Scotsman.
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Speaker 2
Yeah. Shannon.
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Speaker 3
Shannon. Yes.
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Speaker 2
Yeah. Shannon. Hey. Should she move? Yeah. She means good. Yeah. Joker. I'm so glad you made it.
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Speaker 3
Out now.
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Speaker 1
Because I saw she was at the fringe, in August, and, so she's made.
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Speaker 3
That's great.
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Speaker 2
You use a different shape.
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Speaker 1
It was a different. Yes. I was, for the first ten days, I did.
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Speaker 3
Oh, okay. Yeah.
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Speaker 2
Everyone was at the fringe.
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Speaker 3
Yeah, well, if Alex.
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Speaker 1
Was at the fringe, I think he likes.
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Speaker 3
And everybody. Yeah.
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Speaker 1
So. Yeah. So the wool is Shannon, and, And she was like. Like. Okay, you guys, you're 23 comics. We are one hour, one minute each.
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Speaker 3
Say, oh, no.
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Speaker 1
And by then I did like I did don't little five gigs. So I was like, one minute, what the fuck?
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Speaker 3
But doesn't even mean I don't know. Wow.
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Speaker 1
And so I went through my notes like because I'm a very good student. So yeah, for my notes and say, what means maybe I could do this joke. At the time I went to the stage, I did the joke and I was very, very short. I was like, this is my time.
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Speaker 3
But what the fuck.
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Speaker 2
Is wow, that's a good habit to have. You knew your time was up and you got off stage.
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Speaker 3
Yeah, I know, if I was like, this is for. Oh, my God, what have I done?
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Speaker 2
Yeah, because usually in comedy, you just burn, not burn alive. You keep on going until they tell you get off, you know, so that's good.
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Speaker 1
But that's I think because, I think it really becomes because I used to do quite a lot of radio journalism before. So with the timing, you have to be really, really by the second, you know, because, you know, when you start the little song or the jingle, then you talk, then you talk to the, the, the artist, you're interviewing the musician, then you had to pass another song and you had to stop it.
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Speaker 1
And you have literally 60 minutes or sometimes five 59 minutes. And you know exactly what you had to put in. And that kind of really went into the mindset. So an advantage maybe that I.
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Speaker 3
Have,
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Speaker 1
Compared to somebody who started maybe in his 20s because I'm like, I know what one minute means.
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Speaker 2
Yeah. You worked with you worked in like, I guess we call it corporate, like, I guess like, because it feels like that type of, realm is like, obviously artistic. You film or something, but at the same time, it is corporate because like, meant for some distribution money. Yeah. Something.
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Speaker 1
Exactly, exactly. Because, you know, when you have to pass an ad or something. So you know. Exactly. Because even if somebody wants to put an ad on a radio show, they pay by the minute. So it's like, wait a second, even I don't know. But, so you know that I got case two minutes that I can pay or can I pay three minutes?
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Speaker 1
Super important. Yeah. Yeah. So that.
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Speaker 3
Was the first.
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Speaker 1
Time in Berlin. Yeah.
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Speaker 2
Wow. That's a that's a that was a crash course in, comedy and doing it in Berlin because you're doing, like, a minute once all these places. New place. Yeah. Because like, yeah. You're originally from Italy, right? And, and, like, how long you in Italy before you started moving out and so travel.
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Speaker 1
Yeah. So I left my hometown when I was 18, with, 1st December person, so, Yeah, 18. And I went to Milano for my bachelor study, so three years and say, okay, but the last semester, we could do exchanges with the university. And, I was like.
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Speaker 3
Oh, can I the.
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Speaker 1
House straight, you know, like, you know.
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Speaker 3
First of all, we're.
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Speaker 1
Provost.
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Speaker 3
I know I'm like, well, when I went to go.
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Speaker 1
My mother was like, do not go too far. And so was like, well, UK why not? So I went to Essex.
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Speaker 2
Essex. That sounds not fun.
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Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah, lots of, orange people.
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Speaker 2
Orange. Okay.
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Speaker 1
Just a face and then the neck is very white. Is awful makeup. And these are the girls I will make. That's, That's one of the, strong stereotypes. In England, when you want to make fun of somebody, you just make fun of the the Essex.
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Speaker 2
Yeah. I mean, the makeup is like, have you out there in some parts? It's like.
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Speaker 1
I.
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Speaker 3
There is from, Essex.
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Speaker 1
Oh, the singer Adele.
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Speaker 2
Oh, really? Oh, okay. So I wonder she had, like, the makeup thing going.
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Speaker 1
On to the beginning. Probably. Yeah. She's a lot of strong makeup, but it's the accent that she has. Is really from there is really amazing. Yeah.
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Speaker 2
The makeup is so strong. I mean, when it comes to dating, you kind of only have, you know, they only date amongst like themselves because I mean, you know, you start dating someone more my complexion. That's a, that's a problem. You know, it's like, hey, look, you know, I took a shower before I met you, and then here.
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Speaker 3
You,
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Speaker 1
Oh, the bed linen. They're not white. They're just orange because you don't want to. Yeah. You wake up and you just.
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Speaker 3
Say, but I get a.
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Speaker 1
Stamp. That was me.
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Speaker 2
Yeah, right. I got the walk of shame. Is that on my face? Is like, what's going on? It's like you have so much makeup. I'm like, I'm starting to look more like you than you look like yourself.
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Speaker 3
Like.
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Speaker 1
Maybe Trump is from Essex. Who knows?
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Speaker 2
That's probably so you know that, chin. Probably. So thank.
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Speaker 3
You.
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Speaker 2
That's it. No problem with the exes. People I know we are from. Well, you know, the people.
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Speaker 3
The dance.
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Speaker 1
It was really sweet because they all call like everybody darling and joy and sweetheart I was like, oh.
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Speaker 3
You were like the library.
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Speaker 1
The lady at the library, in the universe was like.
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Speaker 3
Oh, hello, sweetheart. Are you okay? So. Oh, I miss my mom.
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Speaker 2
You just are crying right there in the middle of the library.
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Speaker 3
Just say, yeah, girl. I just.
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Speaker 1
Say sweetheart to.
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Speaker 3
Everybody. And I was like.
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Speaker 1
No. Yeah. British 101 so I was there like. Yeah, exactly. So the last semester and then I was like, oh, I really like the way they teach things abroad, because in Italy you usually have these gigantic classes, 250 students. The teachers are really, especially in some university. They're really high up. So you can even talk to them basically, like extremely up there.
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Speaker 1
Right. That they are the little barons of the university.
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Speaker 3
Wow.
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Speaker 1
What is in UK? I really saw like we were really like 20 people in the class. The contact with the teacher was really close and not not too close that it was illegal. But you know, but it's like you could talk to them, you can exchange ideas and so on. I was like, oh, like that. So I was like, maybe I should just look for something else, maybe UK.
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Speaker 1
I mean, I love London.
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Speaker 3
But then.
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Speaker 2
I mean, it's.
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Speaker 1
Expensive to live there.
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Speaker 2
Very expensive.
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Speaker 1
And by then my brother was really in Switzerland, in Lausanne, actually, where I live now. Oh, as I God, why don't you look around here? You know, there are there are student residences, there are quite affordable. The studies are affordable and they're good quality. And it's nice. And so I ended up in Geneva and that was when I was 21.
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Speaker 1
So I would say I moved the fully out of home. 2021. Yes.
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Speaker 2
Wow. 18in. That's impressive. First of all, to go to a different country, I guess, even though I've been here two years, that concept of just going to a different country and living there. So I like that, especially that young is like still mind blowing.
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Speaker 1
To be fair to you, you're from the US. It's difficult for us in Europe. I mean, you do two steps here in another country anyway.
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Speaker 3
So it's like so different.
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Speaker 1
But it's very different, right? I mean, I have lots of.
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Speaker 3
Well, I wouldn't.
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Speaker 1
Call you friends, but people from my childhood.
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Speaker 3
Oh yes. I was very alone.
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Speaker 1
But they're still like in my hometown, for example. But, I think when you're in a medium sized town in Italy, usually if you want to have sort of, I don't know if you will be more ambitious. So you don't have the means to do something nice in your hometown. You you move out and you usually go to Milan or Roma.
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Speaker 1
The usually the true first. Then you have the other big cities, you have Torino, you have Bologna, for example. But, mainly people go to Milan, which is like the financial capital of Italy.
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Speaker 2
So me, Milan, I never been to Italy, actually. Oh, never. Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, I only have a lot of stereotypes of you. That's it. So I'm just like, oh, wow. What about Italy? More and more. Okay, cool. So anything you say, I I'll believe you.
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Speaker 1
And I even that's a typical man I should probably do even on a stronger accent. So,
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Speaker 2
You you got it. I mean, just by the scarf alone, I'm like, this is Italian shirt right here. That's that's that's enough for me. Yeah. I don't have, I don't have a good, sale point in terms of what's Italian, what's not aside from, Italians from, like new Jersey, New York and stuff, which that's not really.
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Speaker 1
Which is not is it more the American.
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Speaker 3
Right. Yeah.
00;14;04;09 - 00;14;17;06
Speaker 1
When I actually was in New York last year, to do, so after Berlin, I was like, okay, I would like to travel a bit with the, with the comedy. And I see like a little bit, some chances, like, and my boyfriend was like, why don't you.
00;14;17;06 - 00;14;19;10
Speaker 3
Just go to New York? Why not?
00;14;19;12 - 00;14;20;28
Speaker 1
Does it mean New York? What the.
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Speaker 3
Fuck?
00;14;21;24 - 00;14;26;04
Speaker 1
I never been I like jazz, right? I like comedy as I. I mean, New York is the place to be.
00;14;26;05 - 00;14;26;22
Speaker 3
Might as well.
00;14;26;23 - 00;14;31;29
Speaker 1
And so I went and it was really funny because as soon as you say you're Italian, you have all these Joe DiMaggio.
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Speaker 3
Coming by like, oh yeah, oh yeah, I'm also in America. I go feel bad about it. I was like, what are you talking about?
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Speaker 2
Get about it. I'm here now. Let me try the pizza.
00;14;41;10 - 00;14;43;24
Speaker 3
You know, and then they give you the pizzas. I my.
00;14;43;24 - 00;14;45;24
Speaker 2
Knowledge from Italian like, why.
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Speaker 1
God and I hate when they see my ngoni.
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Speaker 2
That's not.
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Speaker 1
No, not me is plural and is the both grandparents. Oh, my. No ni is, Maria. As like your nonna.
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Speaker 2
Why did you play along with their. Did you.
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Speaker 3
Come? Because I was like.
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Speaker 1
But one of them. Me I remember how his name was. Joey was so sweet. And I didn't say like, oh, you didn't eat an MSA? And also Italian look. And you show me the little necklace, you know, with the little, the spicy pepper.
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Speaker 3
The hot pepper.
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Speaker 2
The.
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Speaker 1
The pepper on Chino is called Italian. The little shape like this. Which is something that they sell, usually Naples or. I don't think anybody. Naples. You see a lot of this next to him because he brings you good luck.
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Speaker 3
Or something, you know.
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Speaker 1
And so I say, look, look, I hear it. It was so Italian. It was like, Joe, there's this tiny.
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Speaker 3
It's, you know.
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Speaker 2
Somebody got you that from a gift shop. So I really didn't love you and get that for you from Italy and just brought it to, you.
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Speaker 1
Know, it's nice. I mean, obviously they their grandparents are from Italy, but it's like you been born and raised for three generations now. It's nice that you say you're Italian, but you're American as well. I'd be proud. I mean, I wonder.
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Speaker 2
I wonder if the guy came up to you like a regular American voice, like, hi, how you doing? My name is, you know, John. How you doing? He's a guy from Italy.
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Speaker 3
Hey, I'm Joe, so.
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Speaker 2
Transform rain for a you forget about.
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Speaker 3
Is. Yeah. The neck.
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Speaker 1
It's like, wait.
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Speaker 3
I have it.
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Speaker 2
My own. You know, all these different things. This thing. I know you try the pizza, you know, way.
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Speaker 1
And it's funny because actually, they have so many. When they try and try to speak Italian, they actually have so many idioms from Sicily because most of them are from Sicilian origins. Right. And so it's funny because I think that's the correct Italian. I'm sorry, is the non dialectical Italian you say. No I'm and this Sicilian. So yeah.
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Speaker 2
So Sicilian.
00;16;28;07 - 00;16;57;22
Speaker 1
That only Sicilian. Composer, composer. It's, Sicilian Naples. So it's, they usually lot because their grandparents, when they move out. It was probably from the 4050s in Italy. By then they will see lots of people will speak more their dialect than, official Italian language, like my father did the military service in the 70s. And so I come from the north, but from the seaside there, so near Tuscany.
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Speaker 1
And so my dialect, it can be very strong, but I don't speak it very much. Sorry. But, it's not the accent is not very strong. The dialect is not very strong percent. And so when my father went to the military service, it was in the Alpine service.
00;17;13;08 - 00;17;14;15
Speaker 2
All the way up to it. Wow.
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Speaker 1
Because he really loved the outside. So I was like, oh, well. Otherwise you will do the marine, right? Yeah. But he's like, I just want to leave the.
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Speaker 3
House, you know.
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Speaker 1
Because my hometown is the second biggest military port, in Italy. And I say, okay, so I'm going to the mountains. And then he was sharing the obviously the dormitory with the chefs from Piemonte. So, near flat friends, people from the plains of Milan, also, again, farmers from and between Milan and Veneto, which is the region of Venice.
00;17;42;26 - 00;17;54;23
Speaker 1
And then these guys from Sicily or from Naples. And they were all together and they could not speak to each other. They could not understand each other because they would only speak their dialect. In the 70s in Italy, it was insane.
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Speaker 3
Wow. It was. They say.
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Speaker 2
I love when people bring this up because we have this perception that because you're from Italy, everyone speaks Italian, they all understand each other. But these dialects are so specific that each person like each region, they may not even speak the same dialect where they can understand in.
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Speaker 1
The same city, like for me. So I'm from the region of Genova, but I'm not from Genova. And when the Genova dialect I now maybe yes, but I don't understand it. My own town dialect is way different and we are two hours away. Then you go to Pisa, the tower one hour I wait, wait another thing way different.
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Speaker 1
And the sound when you go the more is different. Like people from
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Speaker 3
in Puglia, which is.
00;18;35;19 - 00;18;44;02
Speaker 1
The heel of Italy. There is some there's a Italian comedian that makes this joke about, body bodies, the main town of podia.
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Speaker 3
Okay.
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Speaker 1
And the capital of, let's say. And that is, the old town and then the, the new town of the city. Right. And it makes a joke that the people from Badi Vecchia. So Bari Old Town do not understand people from Bari Nuova. So very cute because the accent is quite different. Okay. Still relatively right. But it's like, oh, you know somebody new.
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Speaker 3
Okay.
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Speaker 2
Yeah. So that.
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Speaker 3
That's crazy.
00;19;09;06 - 00;19;15;02
Speaker 2
Okay. Yeah. Because even in India I heard a saint. Well I mean India, that was something because I had like a lot of Indian coworkers.
00;19;15;02 - 00;19;16;23
Speaker 1
1.4 billion people.
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Speaker 3
And a lot.
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Speaker 2
And the thing is each like they there's so many different, language I don't even know, is even dialect, probably like language, like open language. Urdu. You got, Hindi got all the other ones, Tamil Nadu.
00;19;29;05 - 00;19;29;20
Speaker 3
Ryan.
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Speaker 2
Some some people don't even speak like the some of the language you might know 1 or 2, but not all of it. Guys, I have a coworker that I remember, you know, there's like a whole bunch of people that worked at the job at work that and like, they would talk amongst themselves like, and, you know, and, whatever language I don't remember maybe Hindi or something.
00;19;45;03 - 00;19;58;16
Speaker 2
But then there's one guy, he would never be part of the conversation. He always hang out with me. Yeah. And after a while I was kind of like, ask him like, hey, so you ever hang out with, like, you know, I'm, you know, I'm assuming like, hey, you know, if you had a workplace, you know, there's going to be a lot of black people to hang out with.
00;19;58;16 - 00;20;13;14
Speaker 2
Black people, a lot Italian people, Italian people, India, Indians. But he was like, I don't speak the language they speak. And that was the first time I was like, whoa, so what? I'm like, oh, he's like, yeah, I don't know what they're saying. I'm like, so no wonder why you because I don't know what they're saying either. So we're just kind of like, you know.
00;20;13;16 - 00;20;15;04
Speaker 3
Speaking English. Yeah, yeah.
00;20;15;04 - 00;20;16;20
Speaker 1
The the language of the colonize.
00;20;16;20 - 00;20;18;23
Speaker 3
Yeah. It's like.
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Speaker 2
It's like. Yeah, I never I thought that in Brazil, I'm like, it's you can say to another Indian person like you speak English, I don't know what you're saying. I'm like, wow.
00;20;25;28 - 00;20;29;02
Speaker 1
I have a very thing to say. Colonialist bring you together.
00;20;29;04 - 00;20;31;21
Speaker 3
And unfortunately.
00;20;31;23 - 00;20;38;01
Speaker 2
I go, I can go to India right now, not speak any of the languages, English, everyone. So unfortunately.
00;20;38;08 - 00;20;39;00
Speaker 3
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Speaker 1
No, but it is true. Before it. But to be honest, because also the regions are gigantic. Like if you think about, Gujarat, so is the region near Pakistan and the capital is mean or something? I mean.
00;20;53;18 - 00;20;54;04
Speaker 3
Yeah.
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Speaker 1
And the region size is the size of France. Is a size of France gigantic?
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Speaker 3
Big. It's that big. What is fucking gigantic is that is huge. Crazy.
00;21;05;21 - 00;21;16;06
Speaker 1
So we didn't in there. You have I don't know how many European countries. It's insane. So that's why I mean, that's why you have people speaking the Italians. You have the French and the English all in the same country.
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Speaker 3
So, fair enough.
00;21;17;23 - 00;21;19;04
Speaker 1
They didn't all speak the same language.
00;21;19;06 - 00;21;24;22
Speaker 2
Yeah, but I'm glad you share that, because, yeah, I would have never known that. I thought Italy, everyone just speaks Italian.
00;21;24;24 - 00;21;28;10
Speaker 1
Well, yes. I mean, no, we are slightly more advanced.
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Speaker 3
Okay.
00;21;28;25 - 00;21;30;29
Speaker 2
All right. So that was the time before now.
00;21;30;29 - 00;21;35;08
Speaker 1
Before it was a generation. My parents or you will find people will not speak Italian.
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Speaker 2
I'm so.
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Speaker 1
Sorry.
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Speaker 2
Officially official because, you know, I know in Germany, in, like, German speaking countries, they have like this something called hawk. Hawk, Deutsch. Hi. German. Yeah. Do you guys have something similar in Italy? Like a, Italian language or Italian? Spoken to everyone, no matter which region speaks that. Yeah.
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Speaker 1
So it will be the Italian language. And it's funny because the story is, And I hope I'm super correct, but sorry. Is that the the official Italian comes from the dialect of Florence.
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Speaker 2
Interesting.
00;22;07;08 - 00;22;24;16
Speaker 1
Yes. And a European right. But is because done delegating. So the writer of the the Divina Commedia, he was from Florence and he wrote the book in the Florentine dialect. And so that kind of became sort of the reference. And so I think with the with the time passing, he became like the official Italian.
00;22;24;19 - 00;22;35;28
Speaker 2
Wow. Yeah. I'm hope I hope you're right because, I mean, you know, the amount of arguments that have been started about like just, I guess, opinions or something about European facts. Yeah.
00;22;36;01 - 00;22;38;21
Speaker 3
I mean, tell me about your life now. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
00;22;38;21 - 00;22;55;18
Speaker 2
So, yeah, I started I mean, you could tell you look into it as I look into the camera, there's like that. I just want to make sure I was good. All right. Cool. But no, because, I realize in, in many parts of Europe that, like, there's, like, strong positions of, like, what's right and what's wrong historically.
00;22;55;25 - 00;23;01;18
Speaker 2
Like, you know, some people like, oh, we're the ones that invented bread or cheese and like, all right, relax. You know, like.
00;23;01;20 - 00;23;07;03
Speaker 1
I mean, it's like the croissant, right, in France, but obviously it's a Turkish noise, Austrian thing. The commercial even comes from Turkey.
00;23;07;07 - 00;23;13;26
Speaker 2
I didn't even know that. Yeah, okay, see, I didn't. I thought it was all Parisians that light croissants. That's where it's from.
00;23;13;26 - 00;23;18;14
Speaker 1
But because think about it, the, the question is like the crescent moon.
00;23;18;17 - 00;23;19;24
Speaker 2
Wow. I gonna online.
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Speaker 1
Which is in the flag of Turkey, right?
00;23;21;08 - 00;23;29;03
Speaker 2
Yeah. This. Yeah. That was the star. Yeah. Angle. I mean, it's people they that that that empire really introduced a lot of foods.
00;23;29;07 - 00;23;31;28
Speaker 1
Yeah, but we made it better.
00;23;32;00 - 00;23;36;06
Speaker 3
Oh. I'm sorry, I was just talking to this guy podcast.
00;23;36;06 - 00;23;38;27
Speaker 2
Now, when I put this out, people, I'm like, how? How dare you?
00;23;39;01 - 00;23;41;02
Speaker 3
I need some haters. Go for it. I know.
00;23;41;02 - 00;23;47;29
Speaker 2
Right? I need some engagement. I knew I needed social media to pop off a little bit, so please be angry.
00;23;48;01 - 00;23;50;17
Speaker 3
Turkish food is not a good.
00;23;50;20 - 00;24;03;10
Speaker 2
Yeah. Where are the food things? And we say other people claim that's better. You know, that's like. Yeah, baklava. Yeah. That's my in town is, in Spain is the. What I was is. How dare you. How how could you how could that be?
00;24;03;16 - 00;24;04;12
Speaker 3
Yes, I was right.
00;24;04;14 - 00;24;05;03
Speaker 2
Oh, you was.
00;24;05;03 - 00;24;14;03
Speaker 1
Yes. Founder. Modern Italian is based on the Florentine dialect, largely due to the influence of major writers like Dante Alighieri, Petrarch and Boccaccio.
00;24;14;06 - 00;24;16;02
Speaker 2
Yes. Oh, there you go. There you go.
00;24;16;05 - 00;24;19;29
Speaker 1
Literature teacher is finally happy. She can rest in her grave.
00;24;20;02 - 00;24;29;16
Speaker 2
She go rest there, brew. What? You just shaking in her grave? She's like somebody is getting it wrong. Someone's getting wrong, Irene. I knew Irene was going to get it wrong. And now she's resting.
00;24;29;19 - 00;24;37;19
Speaker 1
Which actually is funny because it's true. When you read the dialect from Florence or people, you will hear them speaking in Florentine dialect. I can understand them. So.
00;24;37;24 - 00;24;39;15
Speaker 2
Oh, okay. So there's nice and easy.
00;24;39;15 - 00;24;40;19
Speaker 3
Yeah. Yeah. So this.
00;24;40;19 - 00;24;41;25
Speaker 1
Is nice. So go.
00;24;41;27 - 00;24;42;05
Speaker 3
00;24;42;10 - 00;24;49;17
Speaker 2
So okay. So that part. So the part of Italy you grew up in. So that would you say is more like, you say like coastal town.
00;24;49;22 - 00;24;52;16
Speaker 1
Is a coastal town. So Genova is where Christopher Colombo is from.
00;24;52;23 - 00;24;54;14
Speaker 2
Oh, okay. Well hey.
00;24;54;15 - 00;24;54;25
Speaker 3
Sorry.
00;24;54;25 - 00;24;55;06
Speaker 1
Guys.
00;24;55;06 - 00;24;56;24
Speaker 2
All right. So the very first day we.
00;24;56;24 - 00;24;58;18
Speaker 1
Gave you the US.
00;24;58;21 - 00;24;59;16
Speaker 3
Yeah.
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Speaker 2
Okay. This is interesting. So do you guys still is there like a Christopher Columbus monument that you guys have there somewhere.
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Speaker 3
That is as.
00;25;07;05 - 00;25;18;21
Speaker 1
Tiny? That is a statue. And I think there still is house, that you can visit. But the thing is, the story that, Christopher Columbus, when he came back from all his adventure, he died, in complete, utter failure in Genoa.
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Speaker 3
Oh, wow. Yeah.
00;25;19;28 - 00;25;30;11
Speaker 1
Yeah, because he was the one who got out, and then, he got the money. Not from Italy. Got money from what? Oh, that was no Italy at that point, because it was still like a myriad of literal different states.
00;25;30;12 - 00;25;30;27
Speaker 3
00;25;30;29 - 00;25;33;01
Speaker 1
But he got the money from the Spanish and the Portuguese.
00;25;33;01 - 00;25;34;16
Speaker 3
So which one? The Portuguese.
00;25;34;24 - 00;25;36;09
Speaker 2
Right. And he had to pay it back or something.
00;25;36;10 - 00;25;39;01
Speaker 1
Yeah. And then. Yeah. Completely completely utterly failure. Yeah.
00;25;39;01 - 00;25;39;25
Speaker 3
Wow. Yeah.
00;25;40;01 - 00;25;42;12
Speaker 1
Well you know he died very poor or something. Blind.
00;25;42;12 - 00;26;04;26
Speaker 2
It was a person who was born in America that makes me feel happy. Yeah. He was he was blind. He couldn't see what he did to the, to the people in America. No. But do you guys get taught in school about, like, what? What happened in America? And that what, you know, like, the whole. Okay, I'm curious on what's taught to you about the Christopher Columbus experience versus our what we've been taught about it.
00;26;04;28 - 00;26;20;00
Speaker 1
Funny. I don't know. I mean, it just the fact that the this guy left, the at the point at the, in the Genova area. So I think at that point it was still like marinara republics. Man, I'm really digging my own grave.
00;26;20;01 - 00;26;20;29
Speaker 3
Oh.
00;26;21;01 - 00;26;25;02
Speaker 2
Well, hopefully not close. It's not close to your, your teacher that you talked about.
00;26;25;09 - 00;26;41;28
Speaker 1
But, so it was just that, you know, if I was quite strong as, is a marine, I would say power. And, so basically there were like four cities. You had Genova, you have Venice with Marco Polo, you had Amalfi. So the Amalfi Coast.
00;26;42;00 - 00;26;42;13
Speaker 3
All right.
00;26;42;13 - 00;26;48;01
Speaker 1
And Naples and pizza. Pizza. Now it doesn't touch the sea at all. But before the sea went all the way to Pisa.
00;26;48;01 - 00;26;49;25
Speaker 2
Wow. So it regrets that much?
00;26;49;25 - 00;26;50;09
Speaker 1
Yes.
00;26;50;14 - 00;26;51;12
Speaker 2
Wow. Okay.
00;26;51;12 - 00;27;20;23
Speaker 1
And so those four, they were the four strongest. Marinetti we call Repubblica marinara. So the Marinetti republics, and, so, yeah, I think there's a it came from a very strong, network or community was willing to, you know, they were all merchants in Genova. People are merchant people, basically. And, I don't remember exactly how we went all the way to Spain and Portugal looking for money, but, then we studied that definitely went with the three boats.
00;27;20;23 - 00;27;37;25
Speaker 1
A la Nina, la pinta, Maria, Maria. I think there's even a song about it. And then nothing that I think he tried was. But then he couldn't. Then he tried again because he wanted to go all the way to India. No, or to the Indies. And then he just hit the rock, and it was, the US.
00;27;37;25 - 00;27;39;29
Speaker 1
And then, you know, the Native American land, the.
00;27;40;02 - 00;27;41;20
Speaker 3
Yeah. So. Sorry.
00;27;41;22 - 00;28;09;26
Speaker 1
Yeah. None then I think nothing. No, they just touch the the different trips. Then there was some comparison historically with the Vasco da Gama. So all the other, sea logs, long distance sailors were just discovering all the coast. And that was it. We didn't. I think I think then we went on the Spanish conquistadors and the they gave all the, headaches and migraines and all the different diseases to the poor, native.
00;28;09;27 - 00;28;11;01
Speaker 3
Yeah, yeah.
00;28;11;03 - 00;28;16;16
Speaker 1
All the Americas. And that was it. I don't know how do you how what did they teach us? School.
00;28;16;17 - 00;28;21;17
Speaker 2
Yeah. I mean, Chris, you know, you got Christopher Columbus Day, so, you know, that's that there. Also.
00;28;21;17 - 00;28;21;22
Speaker 3
Yeah.
00;28;21;22 - 00;28;23;13
Speaker 1
What do you celebrate on, Chris? Just that.
00;28;23;13 - 00;28;24;09
Speaker 3
The just did.
00;28;24;14 - 00;28;29;14
Speaker 1
Any by mistake eat the rock of what did he land actually yeah.
00;28;29;17 - 00;28;44;21
Speaker 2
I think first is Hispaniola. I think that's what it. Yeah. So at the time it has been Yola, which is now Dominican Republic and, Haiti. So I think he there first and then I think he went back or something, and then he went back again. And that's where, you know, you want to go to India, but it was, America.
00;28;44;24 - 00;29;04;24
Speaker 2
Yeah. And then we just know that he's, you know, founded America. And then I'm hazy after that, to be honest, but just more of like it was more like, romanticized in a way. Yeah. Because even Italians in America, like, especially in New York and other places, they, they really like, Christopher Columbus, he's Italian. Yeah. You know, this is the reason why America is founded by Italians.
00;29;05;02 - 00;29;05;27
Speaker 2
You know, like that whole.
00;29;05;28 - 00;29;10;06
Speaker 1
You give us the fettuccine Alfredo, you fuckers.
00;29;10;08 - 00;29;13;10
Speaker 3
Oh. You like? We did so much. Yeah. It's.
00;29;13;12 - 00;29;16;27
Speaker 2
You said fettuccine Alfredo is something that you guys don't claim.
00;29;16;29 - 00;29;31;09
Speaker 1
But now it's not. And there was this story about. Was he Francesco DeCarlo? Was selling this to, That was his name. The other comedian, right. An American comedian. Oh. Should I that's from here.
00;29;31;12 - 00;29;32;20
Speaker 3
I have a blank Z.
00;29;32;23 - 00;29;35;07
Speaker 2
That's good. You know, you've been traveling around, you know, riding bikes.
00;29;35;07 - 00;29;42;09
Speaker 1
And anyway, so this this is a famous, very famous American comedian. Just always ask the seller, met met.
00;29;42;12 - 00;29;44;25
Speaker 2
No, not, not the not the, meniscus. Cool.
00;29;44;28 - 00;30;01;17
Speaker 1
Not nice. Anyway. Yeah. What it says that, I find is the story that, Americans the. Because they eat of Alfredo in America, the U.S., and then they come to Italy, and then they ask, on the menus, like, they go to a restaurant, and then they ask the waiter, but what? He's a bit touchy.
00;30;01;17 - 00;30;04;24
Speaker 1
I'm sorry. Do you don't do fettuccine Alfredo? And the waiters are like.
00;30;04;26 - 00;30;08;00
Speaker 3
Oh, what is that like? It's.
00;30;08;00 - 00;30;10;00
Speaker 1
Like the give it to China with the chicken, anything.
00;30;10;00 - 00;30;14;26
Speaker 3
And say, what the fuck is that? That's long. You don't have.
00;30;14;26 - 00;30;15;10
Speaker 1
That. We don't.
00;30;15;10 - 00;30;15;25
Speaker 3
Make that.
00;30;15;26 - 00;30;19;28
Speaker 2
You guys don't even do. You guys makes, like, pasta and meats together. You guys have that separate. Yeah, you.
00;30;19;28 - 00;30;22;04
Speaker 1
Have the ragu. The ragu sauce is the bolognese.
00;30;22;09 - 00;30;24;01
Speaker 3
Okay, but.
00;30;24;03 - 00;30;30;14
Speaker 1
No, there are ways to to mix it, obviously, but it's just this. What is it with it is chicken with the cream, right? Yeah.
00;30;30;14 - 00;30;33;25
Speaker 2
Cream. I think some cheese. Maybe some, parmesan cheese in there.
00;30;33;25 - 00;30;38;06
Speaker 1
Maybe it might be good. I don't see that way. Just funny that they think that's Italian food and,
00;30;38;09 - 00;30;53;23
Speaker 2
Yeah. And they come up with the American. Yeah. Because, sometimes people come from America who just recently traveling, they got this. We do have this thing of, like, you guys have it, right? Because, you know, we're coming from America, so you of course you got it, right. You buy. No, we don't like. What do you what do you want to ask us if you have it?
00;30;53;23 - 00;30;56;25
Speaker 2
I mean, you know, we ain't got that. What? We know what that is.
00;30;56;28 - 00;31;04;08
Speaker 1
I mean, for me to think the first thing I mean, the I remember this, I was watching friends when I was really younger, like eight and nine.
00;31;04;13 - 00;31;04;28
Speaker 3
00;31;05;00 - 00;31;27;20
Speaker 1
And, and, you know, Phoebe, she's vegetarian. Okay. And there is this scene when, I watch friends so many times. I'm sorry. It's my little. He's my weakness. I think I was, like, 20 times by now. I know by heart. And there is this scene where they have this pizza delivery, girl that, Ross is trying to, flirt with and, point Phoebe at the 10th.
00;31;27;20 - 00;31;38;12
Speaker 1
Pizza is like, Ross, I know you love this girl, but is she stupid because I ask her for a, I'm vegetarian. She keeps bringing this, pepperoni pizza.
00;31;38;14 - 00;31;39;08
Speaker 3
00;31;39;11 - 00;31;54;15
Speaker 1
For me, it was a pepperoni in Italian means pepper. Is the bell pepper. I was like, why is Phoebe complaining about a vegetarian pizza when she's vegetarian? And then I remember going on the computer is like, pepperoni is a salami for you guys.
00;31;54;18 - 00;31;55;07
Speaker 3
So it's a.
00;31;55;07 - 00;31;58;02
Speaker 1
That's a pizza with salami. Yeah. I don't know what you guys call it.
00;31;58;02 - 00;31;58;18
Speaker 3
Pepperoni.
00;31;58;23 - 00;31;59;20
Speaker 2
I don't know why they.
00;31;59;20 - 00;32;02;26
Speaker 1
What was some story about it that, I don't know. I again.
00;32;02;28 - 00;32;03;18
Speaker 3
Yeah.
00;32;03;21 - 00;32;12;18
Speaker 1
They came but essentially about there was some maybe some Italian immigrants went there and I don't know, somehow this type of salami got pepperoni.
00;32;12;23 - 00;32;20;08
Speaker 2
Wow. Because okay, Pepper. But then where's the roni comes from? That's interesting as any like word of Roni in Italian like, no.
00;32;20;09 - 00;32;28;14
Speaker 1
No, I just think because pepperoni literally means the bell pepper. So I don't know if they just use that word to say the salami or somebody misheard.
00;32;28;17 - 00;32;28;24
Speaker 3
Because it.
00;32;28;24 - 00;32;30;12
Speaker 1
Could be a misunderstanding.
00;32;30;13 - 00;32;35;05
Speaker 2
I think that is very weird to be like, pepperoni is like weird. Okay, Pepper, but where the roni come from.
00;32;35;07 - 00;32;37;22
Speaker 3
I just that's,
00;32;37;25 - 00;32;52;23
Speaker 2
So this is interesting learning, like, about these Italian, like, things because we know there's a lot of perceptions and stuff from the American side that is coming from Italian Americans and is so far removed from the culture that we don't know. Yeah. So every time, you know, I do I do know like the pizza is different out there.
00;32;52;23 - 00;33;14;22
Speaker 2
Clearly got like, you know, the different style of pizza versus the one in New York City. Yeah. You know, also like, I don't know, like, you ever watch The Sopranos? Okay. Well, what? Look, The Sopranos, I bet if you watch it, you probably get angry. Based on all the stereotypes that happened in New, Right? It's like mafia action, you know, kind of like, you know, Goombas and bubble you.
00;33;14;22 - 00;33;21;11
Speaker 2
They forget it. But yeah, very a lot of that, you know, a lot of forget about it. You know? Come on Tony, come on Paulie, you.
00;33;21;13 - 00;33;24;13
Speaker 3
Know, with Alzheimer, forget about it. Well, I forgot it.
00;33;24;16 - 00;33;31;14
Speaker 2
I already forgot I have. No Paulie. Don't worry about. I don't even know what happened, you know. Okay, let's go on the call. You know, do this, you know, legit. Someone hold some money, you know?
00;33;31;20 - 00;33;36;10
Speaker 1
But what was it like? The latest movie was three hours long by, Scorsese. It. Was it.
00;33;36;11 - 00;33;37;11
Speaker 3
The Irishman?
00;33;37;11 - 00;33;39;09
Speaker 2
Yeah. You watched it?
00;33;39;15 - 00;33;42;16
Speaker 1
Yes, we watched it during Covid. So we had lots of times.
00;33;42;19 - 00;33;43;21
Speaker 3
We we we.
00;33;43;25 - 00;34;01;03
Speaker 1
We made bad bread with money. We bake bread that day. So we need the time anyway. So. Oh yeah. So we sometimes we will pause it to check on the bread. Yeah. It was really good. The bread the film, it was like good obviously. I mean great actors, the Scorsese magician.
00;34;01;05 - 00;34;01;21
Speaker 3
00;34;01;23 - 00;34;06;28
Speaker 1
But when they try to do the Italian thing I'm sorry. I mean some of the words are wrong.
00;34;07;01 - 00;34;07;28
Speaker 3
They were wrong.
00;34;08;00 - 00;34;08;14
Speaker 2
Wow.
00;34;08;14 - 00;34;21;28
Speaker 1
Looks like you have the money to probably check. And again, they're wrong from an Italian point of view. Yeah. But maybe from an American point of view they're correct because that's how they speak it. So I don't know if this was funny because they're like, yeah. And the accent.
00;34;21;28 - 00;34;23;19
Speaker 2
Of it, oh, that's just right, I know.
00;34;23;19 - 00;34;30;17
Speaker 1
So it was the al Pacino or the other or De Niro, I think, you know, it was Pacino was making the. No, I was a Joe patient.
00;34;30;24 - 00;34;31;24
Speaker 2
Joe. Yeah. Joe Pesci.
00;34;31;26 - 00;34;32;01
Speaker 3
Joe.
00;34;32;01 - 00;34;33;12
Speaker 1
Vicious, economical. Your accent is.
00;34;33;12 - 00;34;38;14
Speaker 3
So, so over the moon. Well, you don't give us.
00;34;38;17 - 00;34;40;04
Speaker 2
Was that overdone? Like it was just too much.
00;34;40;04 - 00;34;43;06
Speaker 1
Really a don. And then very American as well. You could still hear these Americans.
00;34;43;12 - 00;34;47;20
Speaker 2
Are you able to watch Italian American movies and not get annoyed? Because I would imagine.
00;34;47;20 - 00;34;51;17
Speaker 3
It's just funny. Funny, you know. Yeah. Because I it's so I get angry.
00;34;51;17 - 00;34;53;04
Speaker 1
Just the life is too short to.
00;34;53;04 - 00;34;56;17
Speaker 3
Get good beings anymore. It's a fight and I don't want to.
00;34;56;20 - 00;35;02;02
Speaker 2
I bet every Italian American movie is just a comedy for you. You just like you just watching, laughing. You play Como?
00;35;02;02 - 00;35;14;27
Speaker 3
Really? No. You know, I told you, you get the money you like. So we bought. Do you have a weapon? Pew pew pew, you know. Oh, I'm sorry, Tony, I just wanted to make sure I was so good enough. I mean, I don't know.
00;35;14;27 - 00;35;16;26
Speaker 1
I mean, I know we use the hands a lot anyway.
00;35;16;27 - 00;35;22;18
Speaker 3
We we are always like that. Yeah. So you look so lucky. The respect.
00;35;22;26 - 00;35;27;08
Speaker 2
So the hand thing is real. Yeah. Okay. Okay, okay. I want to make sure you know for sure.
00;35;27;08 - 00;35;27;29
Speaker 3
For sure. Yeah.
00;35;27;29 - 00;35;29;20
Speaker 1
I don't want to miss that one I miss you.
00;35;29;23 - 00;35;30;12
Speaker 3
Yeah, yeah.
00;35;30;12 - 00;35;35;17
Speaker 2
So in Switzerland, not that many hand movements. A lot of just stiffness or so are there.
00;35;35;20 - 00;35;45;19
Speaker 1
But it depends Susan is so small. I mean again India we were talking about this was 1.4 billion people is 8 million.
00;35;45;22 - 00;35;46;08
Speaker 2
Wow.
00;35;46;15 - 00;35;50;15
Speaker 1
That's even I think it's like a quarter of Bombay.
00;35;50;22 - 00;35;53;17
Speaker 3
Yeah. It's not a lot at all.
00;35;53;19 - 00;36;19;12
Speaker 1
So nothing. So but you still have these three? Well, four technically, but three main regional language, regions. So you have the Swiss, German, the Swiss Italians and the Swiss French. I live in the Swiss French area, which is Geneva, the Lake Geneva. You have some parts towards the lake, which is another lake on the north, and then all the rest is Swiss Germans on Swiss stitching.
00;36;19;14 - 00;36;20;18
Speaker 3
Which is like, I.
00;36;20;18 - 00;36;22;29
Speaker 1
Think is 4% of the world. Country is really small.
00;36;22;29 - 00;36;24;03
Speaker 3
Wow.
00;36;24;05 - 00;36;44;21
Speaker 1
But they're basically almost geographically separated by the rest of the country by quite a big, mountain range. So to go to literally one motorway and one rail line is quite, which is funny because everybody wants to go to channel for holidays. Just beautiful. And there's every time there is some public holidays, you know, that there is this, I think is the Costas.
00;36;44;21 - 00;36;59;17
Speaker 1
Yeah, the Passo del Gottado. So the Gotthard Pass, which is a huge, gigantic tunnel. They have like 20km of queuing every time we have all the people from Swiss Germans. So Zurich, for example, going down to the channel and just getting stuck in this traffic.
00;36;59;17 - 00;37;00;14
Speaker 3
Wow. Yeah.
00;37;00;20 - 00;37;03;04
Speaker 2
So every year this is what's happening constantly.
00;37;03;07 - 00;37;15;23
Speaker 1
So like Easter is a big you know, they're going to be on the that you know there is a queue to go to the wow surprise. But so yeah. So there is this difference between the the three. Let's see the three speaking part.
00;37;16;00 - 00;37;16;27
Speaker 3
00;37;16;29 - 00;37;41;05
Speaker 1
I will say Yeah. I mean obviously if we can go with we stereotypes Swiss Germans are a bit more stiff. Obviously there would be less but from time to time I mean I had really the most amazing encounters with some Swiss Germans in the mountains, for example, once we went to see a friend. So, yeah, my boyfriend went to see a friend, near Zurich, and we went to, a tiny canton, on the south.
00;37;41;07 - 00;37;52;25
Speaker 1
And we were walking. We had, like, a lovely hike. And then on the way down the the sun already set to see what I got. So we took me to check what is the path in the forest and so on. And then we ended up in this little.
00;37;52;25 - 00;37;54;26
Speaker 3
Tiny, tiny, tiny valley.
00;37;54;28 - 00;38;12;16
Speaker 1
With this lovely big house. And some of the guys were outside. It was like a bunch of friends just renting the house. And, so the friend of my boyfriend has, a corgi dog who's absolutely adorable. Okay. And as soon these people saw the corgi dog, her name is Lexie.
00;38;12;22 - 00;38;18;01
Speaker 3
They, like, Sean is show nation in this room. The come, come, come.
00;38;18;03 - 00;38;32;15
Speaker 1
And so they start talking to us, and we ended up staying with them from, I don't know, 6 p.m. until 2 a.m. just drinking and chatting to someone. They were like, oh, you guys should stay over and they give us food. How's it? Wow. And so you all the stereotypes of the streets going to be like, oh, we don't like.
00;38;32;19 - 00;38;33;11
Speaker 3
Yeah.
00;38;33;14 - 00;38;34;08
Speaker 1
I don't, I.
00;38;34;08 - 00;38;34;21
Speaker 3
Don't know, I.
00;38;34;21 - 00;38;47;20
Speaker 2
Mean, but on let's be sure if it wasn't for that Corgi, I don't know if you guys. What I got a foot into the door there because, I mean, that was a good, by the way, great friend. You have their nice corgi, a beautiful corgi. Come on. I mean, they ran up the corgi new job.
00;38;47;21 - 00;39;00;09
Speaker 1
That's also true. That's also true. But I think if you could just say if it was so, just say hi. And just asking question like made the first step productive. They could have, maybe because they were really friendly. So I think they would just need to choose. But yeah Corgi that I.
00;39;00;09 - 00;39;00;27
Speaker 2
Mean yeah, come on.
00;39;00;28 - 00;39;03;26
Speaker 1
Like in Switzerland, just go around with the cork and people go to the corgi.
00;39;03;26 - 00;39;08;05
Speaker 2
I mean, what, what what when's the last time you heard about a crime and Corgi was involved? Well.
00;39;08;08 - 00;39;10;10
Speaker 1
I don't know. Trying to be too cute.
00;39;10;17 - 00;39;12;06
Speaker 3
There you go.
00;39;12;07 - 00;39;19;20
Speaker 2
You know, that's a crime. He committed a crime to be cute. You guys got free food out of it, you know? So drinks. You guys went back hiking after, like, two m?
00;39;19;20 - 00;39;21;17
Speaker 1
We still had to go all the way down to the car, so.
00;39;21;17 - 00;39;21;21
Speaker 3
Yeah.
00;39;21;23 - 00;39;24;01
Speaker 2
Oh, so. And so is pitch dark. You guys was in the.
00;39;24;02 - 00;39;25;20
Speaker 3
Yes. Oh.
00;39;25;22 - 00;39;30;14
Speaker 2
Okay. This is something. This is okay. This is probably by far one of the still cultural shocks I'm dealing with.
00;39;30;18 - 00;39;30;21
Speaker 3
Yeah.
00;39;30;23 - 00;39;33;00
Speaker 1
Because you guys after after 6 p.m., you.
00;39;33;00 - 00;39;34;29
Speaker 3
Don't go out.
00;39;35;02 - 00;39;46;23
Speaker 2
Once it gets dark. I'm in the mountains. I'll call for help. I'm like, hey, emergency. I got a flare. I'm shooting in the sky immediately. I'm like, please, I, I need assistance, I'm not going back down the mountain in the darkness. Are you serious?
00;39;46;25 - 00;39;59;15
Speaker 1
I do agree with you. But also, I've been living in Switzerland now 13 years, and I've been a member of the Alpine Club for all those years. So is that me? Which means that I do lots of alpine things with mountaineering. Go on glaciers at 3 a.m., which.
00;39;59;15 - 00;40;02;04
Speaker 3
If you saw.
00;40;02;06 - 00;40;09;07
Speaker 1
That one, was easy. Like we just had the headlamp, look in the path. But it was the moon out, and I had the map on my watches.
00;40;09;09 - 00;40;31;08
Speaker 2
Wait, it was easy to go on a glacier at 3 a.m., I? I love Europe, the things you guys take for granted. You say so regular and it never ceases to amaze me. Use on a. First of all, you're on a glacier. Yeah. Crazy, crazy. We're not going to bypass that. As if it's not the second it was it was it in past midnight use on a glacier?
00;40;31;12 - 00;40;34;28
Speaker 3
Yeah. I don't even know if it was legal point. I gotta I'm.
00;40;34;29 - 00;40;36;29
Speaker 1
Going to explain.
00;40;37;01 - 00;40;41;02
Speaker 3
You what you want to. So you spend the night in a hut.
00;40;41;04 - 00;40;46;05
Speaker 2
So. Okay. Well, of course, of course, of course. Hut first, before you go on a glacier. Of course. The standard.
00;40;46;07 - 00;40;46;28
Speaker 3
Right.
00;40;47;00 - 00;40;53;29
Speaker 1
So you, It depends also, how high is the how? Sometimes it takes two, three hours, sometimes eight hours to go to the hut.
00;40;54;02 - 00;40;54;20
Speaker 3
Of course.
00;40;54;25 - 00;40;56;23
Speaker 2
This or just a hut?
00;40;56;25 - 00;41;13;27
Speaker 1
It's, you know, you go from the valley all the way through the night. So, grass with the flowers, and you have a forest and you have the lake. And these are bean. You are above the tree line, which is usually around 2000m. You go up, up, up and then usually have huts there where you can spend the night.
00;41;14;00 - 00;41;17;08
Speaker 1
And then from there what do you do? You go to a mountain.
00;41;17;10 - 00;41;22;21
Speaker 2
Oh, like like a course you have to urinate. But right after all those hours, of course.
00;41;22;23 - 00;41;40;01
Speaker 1
You sleep. So you sleep in the hut and then usually you go to bed around 7:08 p.m.. So you have dinner around 5 or 6, depending from the hut and depending from the mountain that you want to do the sunrise from 1 to 2, you can do different mountains around you and you can have 3000, or for that 4000, 4000.
00;41;40;01 - 00;42;05;08
Speaker 1
There's you say that in English. Yes. Yeah. And when you do, mountains are like around 4000 or be higher up depending also again on the route it could take you between it really depends. But let's say that the ones that I usually do on average should take you maybe five, six hours as an approach. And since the sun is hot, you don't want to be on a glacier when it's too hot, when you come down from the moment.
00;42;05;14 - 00;42;13;19
Speaker 1
So you want to leave as early as possible? Yeah. To be at the top of the mountain as early as possible and be back at the hut as early as possible.
00;42;13;19 - 00;42;14;18
Speaker 2
Okay.
00;42;14;21 - 00;42;32;03
Speaker 1
Which usually means especially with the temperature rise nowadays, you want to be back to the hut around 11 a.m., so you have to do all the way up and all the way down before 11 a.m., depending again where you are, where is the heart to what if the the mountain is a north face or not? So if it gets hit by the sun or not.
00;42;32;05 - 00;42;33;15
Speaker 1
Also calculations there.
00;42;33;17 - 00;42;36;06
Speaker 2
He's there. So you got to do in like physics in your head as.
00;42;36;06 - 00;42;36;22
Speaker 3
You're climbing.
00;42;36;22 - 00;42;47;28
Speaker 2
Up these mountains after coming out of a hut and in time and knowing the sun and then, you know, global warming. So you got to do all he got to be an environmentalist. You got to be a physicist.
00;42;48;01 - 00;42;50;05
Speaker 3
But it's very rewarding.
00;42;50;08 - 00;42;51;25
Speaker 2
Oh, okay. Please tell me the reward.
00;42;51;26 - 00;42;55;29
Speaker 1
The reward is when you come back home and you just have a hot meal and a shower. You feel.
00;42;55;29 - 00;42;56;07
Speaker 3
Really.
00;42;56;07 - 00;42;59;04
Speaker 2
Oh, I think I may die today. Oh, my God, that's the reward.
00;42;59;04 - 00;43;02;12
Speaker 1
I appreciate the little thing you say, like.
00;43;02;14 - 00;43;05;18
Speaker 2
Oh, you're a thrill seeker. They just go off a glacier.
00;43;05;24 - 00;43;06;03
Speaker 3
And.
00;43;06;03 - 00;43;10;00
Speaker 2
Come back down. You got it's like a race to the bottom. Then it's up and everything.
00;43;10;00 - 00;43;12;01
Speaker 3
You must appreciate a hot soup. Yeah.
00;43;12;02 - 00;43;18;17
Speaker 2
Just to just appreciate the hot soup and coming from cold. So they used to be a part of it. The sun hit it the wrong way.
00;43;18;19 - 00;43;22;15
Speaker 3
I just realized, oh, absolutely. White European. All of this is, is.
00;43;22;15 - 00;43;25;04
Speaker 2
Is white European as shit.
00;43;25;06 - 00;43;27;28
Speaker 1
I have some colleagues from India. They're like, you do all of that to a fish.
00;43;27;28 - 00;43;31;18
Speaker 3
In a fucking hot soup. I'm gonna make you appreciate those.
00;43;31;21 - 00;43;38;10
Speaker 2
You do list it at least 2 to 3 dangers that it's like. Why, I'll walk a what?
00;43;38;12 - 00;43;41;10
Speaker 1
And then with the risk of falling into a crevasse which happened.
00;43;41;13 - 00;43;47;21
Speaker 3
To be falling into a crevasse, what I would tell you, that's it's risk to. And you almost happen.
00;43;47;25 - 00;43;48;12
Speaker 1
You have.
00;43;48;17 - 00;43;49;14
Speaker 3
Yes, I.
00;43;49;16 - 00;43;51;09
Speaker 2
Did have, yes. But of course you still go.
00;43;51;09 - 00;43;52;15
Speaker 3
But I was prepared.
00;43;52;17 - 00;43;55;17
Speaker 2
You was prepared to fall into a crack in a glacier or.
00;43;55;23 - 00;44;07;05
Speaker 1
Yeah. Because. So the glacier isn't usually. It depends what you're doing. But, you don't usually see the crevasses, right? Sometimes they're visible, sometimes they're not. When they're not visible, it means that it's like a layer of snow.
00;44;07;11 - 00;44;07;21
Speaker 3
Yeah.
00;44;07;21 - 00;44;20;08
Speaker 1
So crevasses these holes, like, because a glacier is like a little labyrinth. Little big labyrinth. You can go either flat like this or up. So you have, and he's made of different sorts of these holes, these long, long holes. Right.
00;44;20;10 - 00;44;21;05
Speaker 3
00;44;21;07 - 00;44;35;01
Speaker 1
Which is where the water flows and so on. And sometimes they're invisible. So you just have to jump or you just to go around them and to go to the mountain. The Byzantines are covered with this lot in layers. No. And you call it, in French it's called Bridge of Snow.
00;44;35;05 - 00;44;36;00
Speaker 3
00;44;36;03 - 00;44;57;15
Speaker 1
And so when, you know, usually you test with a full right, use that, you call and say, okay, there's a, there's a hole here, and you try to see how big it is. So then it's like, okay, is it that bad that I cannot cross or just go around, or can I jump over? So remember there are these images in in Malaysia when people do the Everest, you have people, you have the Sherpas putting these ladders on top of, these big holes.
00;44;57;15 - 00;45;02;12
Speaker 1
It's like metallic ladders and you just go on the lattice. But obviously in the Alps, you.
00;45;02;12 - 00;45;04;19
Speaker 3
You you don't have to do that.
00;45;04;22 - 00;45;24;23
Speaker 1
But once and there was this day where I, we woke up like 3 a.m., we went all the way up. But because of climate change, the glacier went down a lot compared to what was written on the guide that we had. Because usually you check, guides before. And so it took way, way longer. So I was on the glacier around 11 a.m., which I should have been already in the hut.
00;45;24;25 - 00;45;28;20
Speaker 1
And and by then it was really hot. I had even a heat stroke or.
00;45;28;23 - 00;45;29;03
Speaker 3
A heat.
00;45;29;03 - 00;45;30;03
Speaker 2
Stroke on a glacier.
00;45;30;04 - 00;45;31;15
Speaker 1
Yeah, because you have. The sun is strong.
00;45;31;15 - 00;45;36;02
Speaker 2
Do you even know what can even happen? Wow. I'm learning a lot about the sun now. Okay, this is good.
00;45;36;05 - 00;45;37;12
Speaker 3
You know.
00;45;37;15 - 00;45;42;15
Speaker 2
I thought I thought because the glaciers there is, like, it should be cold enough, right? Like, I mean, the sun is sitting that bad.
00;45;42;17 - 00;45;47;16
Speaker 1
You know, because it reflects on the on the, on the ice. And so you have double the heat.
00;45;47;21 - 00;45;49;11
Speaker 2
And see getting cooked both ways, both.
00;45;49;11 - 00;46;05;24
Speaker 1
Ways. Then you're ready around. At that point I was at three 5500. So you had all the like the oxygen is a bit difficult. So and not not as difficult as Himalayan. But it was a tricky enough difference that we had these crevasses like. Okay. And I was with my boyfriend on the rope. Because you always are on ropes.
00;46;05;24 - 00;46;06;13
Speaker 1
You cannot.
00;46;06;19 - 00;46;06;27
Speaker 3
Yeah.
00;46;06;29 - 00;46;18;08
Speaker 1
I was like, look, I'm going to test, I'm going to test this glacier. But I see this very long because I don't want to go there. And then I saw it was very long. I was like, I think I need to just jump a certain point. I go the other side. And it was very long. Very long.
00;46;18;08 - 00;46;37;20
Speaker 1
So like, fuck it, I'm just going to jump. And I tell the I might fall, so just be ready. And so what do you do? Because when you're on a glacier, you also have crampons on your shoes. So your every, every step is like you're basically yeah like this. So he put himself in a position. You also have an ice ax that you can, that you can sort of plant in the ice.
00;46;37;21 - 00;46;54;12
Speaker 1
Yeah. It did something. There's something that you can do with a rope. You make some knots where you can really. Oh yeah. Yourself. Yeah. And he was radius. So I say I'm going to jump that I jump in and it felt because I put my foot on this, layer of snow that broke, obviously. Whoa. And so I fell until here.
00;46;54;14 - 00;47;09;05
Speaker 1
But I had my backpack. So the backpack kind of blocked me a little bit. And so by then, what I did, I took down my ice ax, and then you kind of go out like this when crawled out on the other side. And so then you had to do the same, but it has longer legs. So we managed to do a longer jump.
00;47;09;07 - 00;47;12;18
Speaker 2
Wow. So did you panic at that moment like when you scared you?
00;47;12;18 - 00;47;16;19
Speaker 1
No no no because I knew was going to happen. So it's sort of.
00;47;16;22 - 00;47;24;13
Speaker 2
How so you did because I was I was about to ask you that. Like so you told your boyfriend like, hey, I'm going to fall. Yeah. And you still did it anyways.
00;47;24;17 - 00;47;27;26
Speaker 3
Yeah, yeah. So.
00;47;27;28 - 00;47;38;03
Speaker 2
I, you know, Europe is different. I'm going to fall. Be prepared for me to fall. Okay, baby, I love you. I'll be prepared for you to fall. Yeah. Just go.
00;47;38;06 - 00;47;39;10
Speaker 3
You fall.
00;47;39;12 - 00;47;43;00
Speaker 2
So y'all agreed on basically almost. You guys.
00;47;43;02 - 00;47;45;10
Speaker 3
Want to, you know.
00;47;45;12 - 00;47;49;26
Speaker 1
Because she was not as terrible. He was to us, but he was not. It could have been way worse.
00;47;49;29 - 00;47;59;13
Speaker 2
Cracking a glacier where I'm being cooked both ways. I'm too late. I'm too far. Not bad.
00;47;59;15 - 00;48;06;28
Speaker 2
The in a gap in in a glacier. Not a big deal. I maybe I'm going to fall in it.
00;48;07;01 - 00;48;08;04
Speaker 3
You ready? Chow?
00;48;08;07 - 00;48;11;04
Speaker 2
I'm ready baby. Whatever you are ready?
00;48;11;07 - 00;48;12;14
Speaker 3
Yeah, sure.
00;48;12;16 - 00;48;17;10
Speaker 1
We even checked if we had to network with the phone. So in case you could call the rescue.
00;48;17;12 - 00;48;25;09
Speaker 2
You know, if I was a rescuer in the isles, I'll be so angry. I'm like, what the fuck are you guys are jumping into cracks.
00;48;25;12 - 00;48;27;16
Speaker 3
In the glaciers? These girls.
00;48;27;17 - 00;48;37;05
Speaker 1
Guys are heroes, though, because they have. You have the people really got really in shitty situations. And also those who do like what the hell you're doing here. You don't have the skills to.
00;48;37;05 - 00;48;38;06
Speaker 3
Do this, so.
00;48;38;08 - 00;48;52;03
Speaker 1
And and they do, the narrows like they were counting, but like I would say, even more than 3 or 4 times a day, even more, even during ski season, they have so many people calling like, you got you keep seeing the helicopters passing by.
00;48;52;06 - 00;48;53;09
Speaker 3
I would imagine.
00;48;53;12 - 00;48;58;21
Speaker 2
Because, you know, I mean, there's no like, hey, you got to be this experience to go. You can just go, I'm assuming, and just go.
00;48;58;21 - 00;49;06;08
Speaker 1
And the, the, the heart owner can sometimes check. You can see somebody is not prepared, but to some point, what you do.
00;49;06;08 - 00;49;08;13
Speaker 3
Right? Yeah.
00;49;08;16 - 00;49;23;05
Speaker 1
I mean, the beauty of doing Monte sports is you're finally you're you're fully accountable. Like, what I do is my own fucking shit is my problem, right? Yeah. Obviously you can get right and so on, but I try to limit as much as possible because I chose to be to put myself in that situation.
00;49;23;05 - 00;49;23;25
Speaker 3
So,
00;49;23;27 - 00;49;31;20
Speaker 1
So it kind of makes you, I don't know, I feel you feel a bit more alive in a way, but, but yeah, same thing with skiing.
00;49;31;20 - 00;49;33;14
Speaker 3
Yeah. That's cool. Yeah.
00;49;33;15 - 00;49;43;09
Speaker 2
That's why you it's like, so people go there, you don't there's no restrictions. You can, like, literally just go and then, you know, get stuck in a glacier.
00;49;43;11 - 00;49;45;14
Speaker 1
Make sure if you want. There are people sleeping on glaciers.
00;49;45;14 - 00;49;47;23
Speaker 3
Oh, I even try.
00;49;47;23 - 00;49;48;13
Speaker 1
I would like to do it.
00;49;48;15 - 00;49;50;00
Speaker 3
Don't don't you.
00;49;50;00 - 00;49;55;23
Speaker 2
You you already. You already here. You already made it this far. Why push it? Yeah, I you want to sleep on a glacier?
00;49;55;26 - 00;50;07;08
Speaker 1
Beautiful. You had something, you know, full moon nights. You have the full sky with stars and and you hear sometimes there's some rockfall, and then the glacier is cracking and you just stay with your friends and.
00;50;07;11 - 00;50;08;13
Speaker 2
Yeah, look.
00;50;08;16 - 00;50;09;01
Speaker 3
Pretty.
00;50;09;07 - 00;50;13;28
Speaker 2
Just just host your friends. Make sure you got a good enough TV with high definition.
00;50;13;28 - 00;50;16;10
Speaker 3
Look, we just have on the balcony. It just put it on.
00;50;16;10 - 00;50;31;01
Speaker 2
Just watch it. There you go. Surround system. But headphones on if you want the real experience and just listen to rocks fall in, you know, get a gravel, throw it on the ground. Rocks. There you go. There's rocks fallen. I can look at the sky, you know. Hey, there might be one star. How many stars you need?
00;50;31;04 - 00;50;33;01
Speaker 2
You know, we're only one person.
00;50;33;03 - 00;50;33;11
Speaker 3
Two.
00;50;33;11 - 00;50;35;14
Speaker 2
Three stars. That's all I.
00;50;35;16 - 00;50;35;21
Speaker 3
You.
00;50;35;23 - 00;50;38;19
Speaker 2
Well, let me go. Risk myself again.
00;50;38;21 - 00;50;41;01
Speaker 3
Oh, shit. This is,
00;50;41;03 - 00;50;57;10
Speaker 2
I love the way people in Europe just say these things as if it's nothing. It's like always amazes me. I was in Innsbruck. I remember I was asking somebody, hey, yeah, they're beautiful. I was asking people, hey, what is it to do in Innsbruck? There's like, yeah, just, you know, if you go up the mountain, you can find a good restaurant.
00;50;57;10 - 00;51;12;19
Speaker 2
I'm like, Holy. So just just go up a mountain. There you go, up the mountain. I'm like, wait, wait. Hold on. So how does that work? Yeah, there's a car just off the mountain. You can probably do it by the morning. Come back. Afternoon. I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, let's add some let's add some weight to the words are saying here.
00;51;12;19 - 00;51;16;01
Speaker 2
I'm. You want me to go up a mountain for a fool?
00;51;16;04 - 00;51;16;18
Speaker 3
Yeah.
00;51;16;18 - 00;51;20;14
Speaker 2
That's what all the good food is. Just go up there. You should be fine. I'm like, I should be.
00;51;20;17 - 00;51;21;02
Speaker 3
Excuse me.
00;51;21;04 - 00;51;26;15
Speaker 2
Yeah, let's come on out. You know, you see my face like, come on, let's let's let's address it. I'm, I'm I'm blinking my eyebrow shape.
00;51;26;15 - 00;51;27;06
Speaker 3
You can do that.
00;51;27;09 - 00;51;42;01
Speaker 2
Then go to the mountain. You just go all the way up there. I'm looking at the mountain. The mountains. Hi. This is go all the way up there for food to get the best cheese. I don't know, ghee or, the spit that Kaiser spits or something like that. Oh, my. I'll just get this initial down here.
00;51;42;02 - 00;51;47;06
Speaker 2
How did you get this nettle on the ground? I don't know what that means in terms of going all the way up there. That's crazy.
00;51;47;07 - 00;51;50;07
Speaker 1
Because the air is fresh. So you smell. This needs to be.
00;51;50;09 - 00;51;50;16
Speaker 2
00;51;50;19 - 00;51;54;10
Speaker 3
You okay? Yes. I love it.
00;51;54;13 - 00;52;01;14
Speaker 2
Okay. When it comes to basic things, you guys are very, like. Okay, I really would risk it all to just get the basic things like the air, the, you know, the.
00;52;01;16 - 00;52;17;05
Speaker 1
The funny thing is that my parents are, gonna be a good piece of me, because now I'm doing a lot of these dangerous things in the mountains. They were like when you were young, and we would go to the mountains for holidays. You hated it. You hated hiking. You were always complaining. It was a super annoy. We could not bring you anywhere.
00;52;17;05 - 00;52;19;14
Speaker 1
You always complaining. And now you do this shit.
00;52;19;19 - 00;52;26;00
Speaker 3
You're a piece of shit, dude. It was like I'm sorry, man. I had to guess it was too easy. Your hike.
00;52;26;02 - 00;52;36;03
Speaker 2
You ruined their part of their, their life, and and now you're, you know, living it on the back end. That's. Wow. Okay. So. Yeah. You a hiker for real? You see, you part of the Alps. Super long.
00;52;36;09 - 00;53;00;18
Speaker 1
So this is an alpine club. It's, in it's a just a so every city, Switzerland, they have, these alpine climate, which historically is where people can gather, likes the mountains. And they can there are some events about, I don't know, trips to the mountains and so on, but it's also because they organize outings. For me, that's how I learned, skiing, skittering, ice climbing, rock climbing.
00;53;00;20 - 00;53;02;04
Speaker 1
They just give you the teach you all this stuff.
00;53;02;09 - 00;53;02;24
Speaker 3
Wow.
00;53;02;24 - 00;53;14;19
Speaker 1
And, and then you go on weekends with people that are, you know, they like the same things that you like. I have a dear friends. She met her, current boyfriend, on one of these outings. They love each other, and they have so much in common. Is amazing.
00;53;14;19 - 00;53;23;01
Speaker 2
Kind of the only way, right? I mean, you know, it can't be hiking mountains like this and work, you know, be with somebody that's only likes to do finance and watch football games.
00;53;23;03 - 00;53;43;08
Speaker 1
This is like another dear friend of mine that she, she was with a guy that is also, you can see a friend of in the group. But it was not as much as her into mountains. And after a while, when you like. She loves spending every weekend up there, which is amazing, right? But he was like, I just want to go see a concert to watch a movie, which is also fun.
00;53;43;08 - 00;53;43;14
Speaker 1
All right.
00;53;43;14 - 00;53;45;05
Speaker 2
He doesn't want to be stuck in a glacier, right?
00;53;45;08 - 00;53;59;07
Speaker 1
So after a while, if you keep fighting you, you love each other, but you keep fighting about what to do as a bunch of split. And now they're still friends. But he found a girl who's, well, you know, that's the thing that, he likes to. And she found a guy. Was we calling the mountain guy to the the goat?
00;53;59;10 - 00;54;14;16
Speaker 1
Because he does ice climbing in Scotland, and he's seen this guy, and and they both. So they found the right to a companion. Yeah, they're still friends through friends with all of us. And he's amazing. And they just understood that in the end it was not that they didn't like each other. They were like, we don't like doing the same things.
00;54;14;23 - 00;54;19;17
Speaker 1
Yeah. While in a court in a couple, you need to also like doing things together.
00;54;19;22 - 00;54;31;07
Speaker 2
Especially climbing mountains. That's a big deal. Like, I mean, with you and your partner, you don't mind me asking like, does he? I mean, well, clearly he saved you from falling into a glacier. So he he knows how to hike. Yes. Did you guys meet on one of these?
00;54;31;07 - 00;54;33;02
Speaker 3
Hiking, rock climbing?
00;54;33;05 - 00;54;34;26
Speaker 2
Like, That's the only.
00;54;34;26 - 00;54;35;13
Speaker 3
Way, though.
00;54;35;14 - 00;54;44;07
Speaker 1
We must. I was studying because we met. So we met in, 19. So just before Covid got Covid feels so long ago, right?
00;54;44;07 - 00;54;45;16
Speaker 2
It's crazy. Right? How long ago?
00;54;45;16 - 00;55;06;21
Speaker 1
Feels like six years ago, you know, anyway. But, and for me was, a very strong, important year because I, I left to Geneva, where I used to live. I left my previous relationship, and I left my previous job. I was like, I need to change everything now. The press is something going on. And I was sick of just, going in circles in the same situation.
00;55;06;21 - 00;55;12;06
Speaker 1
Like I'm always said, I'm always depressed. Nothing goes on like the. I need to just grab my life in my.
00;55;12;06 - 00;55;12;24
Speaker 3
Hands.
00;55;12;26 - 00;55;23;13
Speaker 1
And let me just stop, because I was my ex-boyfriend was miserable, I was miserable, everything. Everybody was me. It was like I just stopped. Yeah, turn the page. And this is,
00;55;23;15 - 00;55;23;22
Speaker 3
All.
00;55;23;26 - 00;55;32;03
Speaker 1
Month and, sports festival in Germany, which is sort of, is is the is the month and capital a month in sports capital France?
00;55;32;07 - 00;55;32;19
Speaker 3
Wow.
00;55;32;20 - 00;55;39;28
Speaker 1
He's just below the moon. So, so we have the moon, which is a cross between France and Italy. Yeah. And then you have this ballet and shaman is the main city.
00;55;40;03 - 00;55;40;27
Speaker 3
00;55;41;00 - 00;55;44;23
Speaker 1
And there is this festival organized by Arc'teryx, which is this brand.
00;55;45;00 - 00;55;45;18
Speaker 3
Yeah.
00;55;45;20 - 00;56;15;26
Speaker 1
Yeah. North Face and Arc'teryx and they organize a around four days and you have movies, you have workshops, you have you can go with the local guides for shaman, to go on a glacier and learn how to do crevasse rescue or learn how to do rock climbing. And you have people athletes were sponsored by, the brand Arc'teryx that you can talk to or climb with, which is for me, when you are into those kind of things, it's like meeting your heroes like, oh my God, I'm climbing with her.
00;56;15;28 - 00;56;31;03
Speaker 1
Oh my God, you you open the route on the Kilimanjaro. Oh my God, you know, things like that, you know? Wow. And, and I was supposed to go with a friend, and then she had, a problem with worksheet to travel, I don't know, 12 year by John. And I was like, shall I go by myself?
00;56;31;03 - 00;56;51;18
Speaker 1
I don't know if I'm going to go. And I went and funnily enough, I met in the, in the hospital where I was staying, a dear friend from Canada. You travel all the way there and we didn't know they were there. So we, we also shared the room. It was amazing. And, I was in this, a type of rock climbing class is called trad climbing.
00;56;51;20 - 00;57;09;21
Speaker 1
Which means traditional climbing, which is one of the main type of rock climbing that they do in the UK. And it's basically, so you can rock climb, you have sports climbing, which is you climb a, face a mountain and you have spits all over. So you, every time you can do some quick drills, which are these?
00;57;09;26 - 00;57;13;17
Speaker 1
Double carabiner. Yeah. So you're with the rope and then you clip and then.
00;57;13;19 - 00;57;14;29
Speaker 2
Okay, you're climbing up.
00;57;15;01 - 00;57;20;09
Speaker 1
And that's for climbing. I think if I'm not mistaken, it was invented in France because obviously, make it easy.
00;57;20;12 - 00;57;21;24
Speaker 3
Hahaha.
00;57;21;26 - 00;57;41;27
Speaker 1
And tried climbing. They say you put your own protection, so you have a almost a virgin wall and you find maybe cracks in the rocks and there you put something which can be called nuts or friends. You two different things and you put them inside and those becomes yours, your Speedos. But so they're not screwed in, they're just there.
00;57;41;27 - 00;57;59;29
Speaker 1
And hopefully they stay. So it's very dangerous, a very dangerous thing. Or like, I'm never going to do this unless I'm with somebody who knows how to do it. And so I was taking this class. We were on a very easy roll is like, 20m as we were just train up in there and, it was me.
00;57;59;29 - 00;58;20;02
Speaker 1
There were some there was two English guys. I was, talking with them. It was really funny. French one. And then there was these two blond people looking almost very, very polished, almost like a super blond, super white blue eyes as they and they were speaking with each other, I was like, and I usually have a sort of, I think with language, I usually know more or less what a language comes from, right?
00;58;20;05 - 00;58;34;24
Speaker 1
You know, even I speak six. But, mostly European languages. Right. But I can hear somebody, I don't know, Eastern European or somebody from Southeast Asia or something like that. Those are those like, you guys look polish, but you sound Greek.
00;58;34;27 - 00;58;36;09
Speaker 3
Where are you from?
00;58;36;12 - 00;58;42;03
Speaker 1
And, the friend or my current boyfriend says you're from Finland.
00;58;42;05 - 00;58;42;13
Speaker 3
And I.
00;58;42;14 - 00;59;03;06
Speaker 1
Say, this is what Finnish sounds like. And so then we start chatting and, and I was trying to make this party trick where you make a is a security note, which is called, Alouette. I called in English. Double cloth. He chose a beach club or something, I don't know, and let's try to make it with one hand.
00;59;03;06 - 00;59;17;18
Speaker 1
Right. Because I was I try to impress one of the guys, like, yeah, I look, I can make this knot with the one hand that usually can make it all the way to I was I can make it. Then I hear a voice behind me, are you trying to do this? And then he made it. And that was my boyfriend.
00;59;17;20 - 00;59;24;04
Speaker 3
Oh. Yeah. Good with your hearts. Mama likes it. Mama likes it.
00;59;24;06 - 00;59;27;25
Speaker 2
If a man of the thought of not with one hand.
00;59;27;27 - 00;59;30;23
Speaker 1
You no way can do with the other hand.
00;59;30;26 - 00;59;35;12
Speaker 3
0000. So, that's.
00;59;35;14 - 00;59;44;14
Speaker 2
Wow. Okay, so that's it. Just that's that's his way. It was like, the way we call and, so neighbor spitting game, like, you know, flirting, you know, like, hey.
00;59;44;17 - 00;59;45;26
Speaker 3
You know, and then.
00;59;45;29 - 00;59;49;10
Speaker 1
And I was like, oh, okay. And so Finnish educational system is very good.
00;59;49;10 - 00;59;49;24
Speaker 3
It's very good.
00;59;49;25 - 00;59;58;22
Speaker 2
Like, hey, baby wants to me like this mountain and I die. It's like, oh, Mike. Wow, you're still here. The amount of flirting that ended in tragedy.
00;59;58;24 - 00;59;59;29
Speaker 3
So much. Can you imagine?
01;00;00;04 - 01;00;03;19
Speaker 2
Yeah. Let me do the traditional rock climbing. I'm impressed. You?
01;00;03;22 - 01;00;04;07
Speaker 3
Oh.
01;00;04;09 - 01;00;05;29
Speaker 1
I confidence in this hole. Oh my.
01;00;05;29 - 01;00;07;07
Speaker 3
God.
01;00;07;10 - 01;00;11;02
Speaker 2
I could find holes there not have not been identified. You like. Well. Oh, yeah.
01;00;11;02 - 01;00;15;17
Speaker 1
Me to put a knot in the holes.
01;00;15;20 - 01;00;21;12
Speaker 2
Oh, shit. Okay. Hiking definitely is for hiking, people. You got to find your your people and that's it.
01;00;21;14 - 01;00;36;03
Speaker 1
But yeah. So then I was like, oh, I bet you, that point I was really leaving Lausanne and, it was living in Geneva. What is this? Friend is actually the other friend with a corgi, who lives in the near Zurich. And, it's like, oh, I don't know, you want to go climbing together or something?
01;00;36;03 - 01;00;49;13
Speaker 1
You know, it was climbing, quite a higher grade than me. I was like, oh, it could be nice, you know, maybe I can improve if I can climb with stronger person. And then, that was July. And then we kind of basically, didn't we miss each other for like three months because, I was going to feel.
01;00;49;13 - 01;00;53;14
Speaker 1
And I was with somebody with some other friends. I was on Tinder at that point, so I was like.
01;00;53;16 - 01;00;53;24
Speaker 3
Yeah, I.
01;00;53;24 - 01;00;57;03
Speaker 1
Was walking around and his one does.
01;00;57;05 - 01;00;57;11
Speaker 3
You know.
01;00;57;11 - 01;00;59;05
Speaker 2
You just have a breakup. So yeah, it happens.
01;00;59;07 - 01;01;18;11
Speaker 1
And then he said, time. But I think, I don't know if I text him or text me and then like, oh, I should we still try this climbing together? So we went climbing and he was nice. And then, I think on the drive back, he put on, he had this, metal music on, on the radio because, in Finnish, in Finland, the heavy metal is mainstream.
01;01;18;11 - 01;01;21;01
Speaker 2
Yeah. So cold up there. Yeah. So you can see something.
01;01;21;04 - 01;01;22;27
Speaker 1
I need to reveal, like.
01;01;22;29 - 01;01;23;08
Speaker 2
Other.
01;01;23;08 - 01;01;25;01
Speaker 3
Long I.
01;01;25;03 - 01;01;27;10
Speaker 2
Freezing, you know? Yeah. I'm in hell.
01;01;27;14 - 01;01;30;09
Speaker 1
I'm listening to songs are called the did that for masturbation.
01;01;30;14 - 01;01;30;20
Speaker 3
Oh.
01;01;30;20 - 01;01;35;24
Speaker 2
Thank you. Yeah. Something new. Sounds like hell. That's how cold it is up there.
01;01;35;26 - 01;01;39;29
Speaker 1
I was like, wow, this is so fascinating. Like me, the little the little posh girls like.
01;01;39;29 - 01;01;48;03
Speaker 3
Oh, have you met metal? Fascinating. Tell me more about it. Oh, what does this song talk about? I'm a dining an asshole. Oh, right. Right.
01;01;48;05 - 01;01;50;05
Speaker 2
I in it and dying in it as.
01;01;50;05 - 01;01;51;24
Speaker 3
Oh, they have it is this.
01;01;52;02 - 01;02;03;27
Speaker 1
Finnish heavy metal song which is called, called colon. Colon, which means dead. More dead is.
01;02;04;00 - 01;02;06;04
Speaker 2
Wow. Only up there. We'll come up with something like that.
01;02;06;04 - 01;02;07;09
Speaker 1
She's he's very nice though.
01;02;07;09 - 01;02;08;16
Speaker 2
But of course. And I look at it.
01;02;08;17 - 01;02;10;28
Speaker 3
Yeah. So
01;02;11;01 - 01;02;16;07
Speaker 1
And nothing and then I think and then was, I think I just invited to my place and then the rest is history.
01;02;16;10 - 01;02;22;15
Speaker 2
There you go. And now you guys are together and everything hiking and, saving each other from, glaciers and, holes inside the glacier.
01;02;22;17 - 01;02;23;00
Speaker 3
Yeah.
01;02;23;00 - 01;02;26;02
Speaker 2
So that's a beautiful thing. He said you spoke. You should be five languages.
01;02;26;04 - 01;02;27;11
Speaker 3
Yes.
01;02;27;14 - 01;02;37;18
Speaker 1
So Italian. French, English. Spanish. Very fluently. Again. German, very rusty. Then I used to speak Portuguese, but more Brazilian. Portuguese.
01;02;37;24 - 01;02;38;22
Speaker 3
Wow.
01;02;38;24 - 01;02;44;29
Speaker 1
But I mean, when you speak Italian in Spanish, you cannot go easy to the to the Portuguese.
01;02;45;01 - 01;02;45;23
Speaker 2
Yeah. It's hard.
01;02;45;23 - 01;02;46;07
Speaker 3
Yeah.
01;02;46;09 - 01;02;50;00
Speaker 1
Well, I mean, I learned it because I was playing capoeira when I was, younger.
01;02;50;07 - 01;02;54;12
Speaker 2
Wow. So, yeah. You are the, you extreme sport person like sports? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01;02;54;13 - 01;03;02;01
Speaker 1
I just, I think if I wasn't, I think if I was like, a smoker, I probably not do sports, but I am. It's the only thing that I'm really addicted me is.
01;03;02;01 - 01;03;02;09
Speaker 3
Like.
01;03;02;16 - 01;03;03;18
Speaker 2
Wow, that better.
01;03;03;24 - 01;03;05;18
Speaker 1
Sports a doctor. I mean, it's addiction, to be honest.
01;03;05;25 - 01;03;15;26
Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah. You climbing glaciers just to do it. That's a that's an addiction. But I mean, it's a good one because then you know how to save people. You not you know, you know about global warming. You know that's good.
01;03;15;28 - 01;03;31;08
Speaker 1
Yeah. And then you, you read the nature, right. You're in the middle. Honestly. You you it's not just walking around you just you understand what everything means, more or less. Like, you know why the rock is like that or why the shape is, I don't know, there's some more intention, intentionality, about it. So, I don't know, I like it.
01;03;31;08 - 01;03;31;14
Speaker 1
Yeah.
01;03;31;15 - 01;03;47;27
Speaker 2
Wow. Yeah. It seems like there's a culture in itself with rock climbing. Like, it's just like a cultural thing, because. Yeah, even as we've been talking, I'm like, learn. How am I? Okay. So it's like a real culture behind it, you know, like the way you, you carry yourself the time to waking up, you know, like the way you guys communicate with danger and just be okay with it.
01;03;47;28 - 01;03;50;18
Speaker 1
Yeah. Yeah, it's all a matter of being prepared. I mean.
01;03;50;18 - 01;03;51;09
Speaker 3
01;03;51;11 - 01;04;00;12
Speaker 1
Which is only because it's kind of close also to capoeira. Because in capoeira, my master will always say, if you get hit, it's your fault because you are not prepared.
01;04;00;15 - 01;04;01;14
Speaker 2
Wow. That's all.
01;04;01;14 - 01;04;16;26
Speaker 1
It's beautiful. It's a it's a philosophy. Your life as well. Yeah, obviously. I mean, this shit really happens and you cannot do anything but you know, and also the other thing is like when people say, if you have a problem, most of the times it was your own fault. You, you, you kind of like, I don't know, maybe you took a choice and you create.
01;04;16;26 - 01;04;32;19
Speaker 1
So it is a way not to cry over spilled milk, not to cry over your yourself. You know, like, fuck, shit happens. Happy I'm going to do something about it, you know? And, and if I can prepare, great. If I can prepare okay. And whatever. And then the rest is life. I don't point, you know.
01;04;32;21 - 01;04;39;19
Speaker 2
That's a good point. And that's a good way of looking at it. I'm better prepared you for even the things you're doing now. And also comedy and things.
01;04;39;19 - 01;04;39;27
Speaker 3
Yeah.
01;04;39;27 - 01;04;57;24
Speaker 1
For sure. I mean, that mindset helps me a lot with comedy because, if I, if I bombed, but definitely my fault, I don't like same when people see all the the crowd was very quiet. Okay. In some places it can be. It's true. I mean, obviously, I mean, you perform in New York and you performed, in Germany is way different crowds.
01;04;58;00 - 01;05;16;24
Speaker 1
Yeah, way different. But sometimes it's like, cannot blame it on the audience, man. It's just, if you try to read to read the room, do you try to maybe adapt the jokes to something else or, you cannot always be that upset. I mean, again, I'm still a beginner, but there are some said that I always like, oh, this works so well.
01;05;16;27 - 01;05;22;20
Speaker 1
And in the little experience that I still had, I realized some said don't work. Didn't work sometimes is like,
01;05;22;22 - 01;05;23;05
Speaker 3
01;05;23;05 - 01;05;27;10
Speaker 1
And the the little voice says always the audience didn't understand your joke, you know, not. Wait one second.
01;05;27;13 - 01;05;28;11
Speaker 3
Wait, what's right.
01;05;28;11 - 01;05;49;11
Speaker 1
Right, right. And then you watch the tape, you're like, oh, no, wait here. I should read the room or here. This person was not listening or because it was not relatable. You know, there are all these things about adaptability in the end. And doing these sort of extreme sports or this kind of sports, it prepares you to that because the blame is most of the time is on you, like try to be accountable as much as you can, you know?
01;05;49;11 - 01;06;06;20
Speaker 2
Wow, that is crazy. So then I basically hiking and do the extreme sports has prepared you to do comedy. Oh, that's actually an interesting way of like preparing for having something prepare you for comedy is like, because I love you almost fell into the crack of a glacier. I'm not going to let you go with that doubt and keep on every time I see it's going to.
01;06;06;20 - 01;06;07;09
Speaker 3
Be the highlight.
01;06;07;12 - 01;06;16;25
Speaker 2
Yes, it's going to be the highlight for every time I see you. That is crazy. That's so crazy that you like. Yeah. You know, in a glacier to my boyfriend. I was going to fall and I.
01;06;16;25 - 01;06;19;11
Speaker 3
Jumped in the neck. You know. But, you know, it's funny because that day.
01;06;19;11 - 01;06;38;10
Speaker 1
We were also with two other friends who were in the ropes together. We were in two different ropes because, in that kind of outing, you don't want to be four, in a rope. It's another technicality. And funny, like when you say it's a community, the rock climbing community is because when we finally went to the heart and they arrived after us, we told them the story and they were like, oh, okay.
01;06;38;13 - 01;06;40;22
Speaker 3
Nobody was shocked.
01;06;40;24 - 01;06;44;09
Speaker 2
I would took it so offensive that I'm like, oh, so what you.
01;06;44;11 - 01;06;50;12
Speaker 1
Like, are you okay? Did you prepare you put the did you put the ice down? Yeah, we did all of that. And actually we did this. We were actually discussing how we managed to do it.
01;06;50;19 - 01;06;55;29
Speaker 3
You were not like, oh, we were like, So how do you do it? Wow. So how did you take yourself all the while you would.
01;06;55;29 - 01;07;10;18
Speaker 1
Have been like this, like that. But then, there was a big, big group before us, so it all. Oh, sorry. You left after us. So it was before us. On the way was after us when we were coming down. And, And they were really late and it was a big group, so really late, late, the late.
01;07;10;18 - 01;07;27;05
Speaker 1
And we saw the night before the some of them were beginners because we were talking to them. It's like, yeah, it's the first outing that we do, but we have this guy who knows what he's doing. But when you have all the, the hope of one person, this person that is a lot of, I mean, when you have ten people on a glacier under your responsibility is huge.
01;07;27;05 - 01;07;37;24
Speaker 1
I mean, I used to I also organize hikes in the past, but, not on Glacier. Just normal hikes where you just go with the force on. And still when you have. I had, like 20 people. It was is a lot of.
01;07;37;24 - 01;07;39;02
Speaker 3
Responses.
01;07;39;04 - 01;07;58;07
Speaker 1
Because then people are really like very chill because anyway urine is there right. Yeah. Yeah. But remember to walk on the path. Don't don't put the don't put your foot on the wall in the void. Thank you. And so this poor guy was guiding the group. At a certain point, I mean, we were I don't know, I think we were having a snack before heading down to the car, and then we heard it, and we were not surprised.
01;07;58;07 - 01;08;07;07
Speaker 1
We heard the helicopter. Damn. And he went exactly on the spot where I fell on the crevasse. So actually, there two people in fell then, and they fell way deeper. And then I went.
01;08;07;13 - 01;08;08;06
Speaker 2
To do what? Able to get.
01;08;08;06 - 01;08;28;26
Speaker 1
Out. Yeah. So with the helicopter they took him out. So the helicopter, when they come for a crevasse rescue, if you're really down, that is a way to they create a sort of pyramid with the, the sort of the tool is like three sticks. Yeah. You know, I mean, and then they have a sort of, hook that goes down where you can hook yourself up.
01;08;28;26 - 01;08;45;14
Speaker 1
And then the one of the rescuer comes down with you, you play it beautifully, prepares you all with this team. Because sometimes people in the crevasse, if you fell, you might be unconscious. There's some people, like, skittering when you do, when you're on a ski alpinist, where if you're in a crevasse and you fall, most of times you you.
01;08;45;21 - 01;08;46;18
Speaker 3
Yeah. But.
01;08;46;24 - 01;08;54;28
Speaker 1
And so the rescue has to go down, put you everything, the harness, everything. The other people have to pull you up. The rescue to stay down.
01;08;55;00 - 01;08;55;18
Speaker 3
Yeah.
01;08;55;21 - 01;08;57;21
Speaker 1
While you waits for the people to bring you up.
01;08;57;21 - 01;08;58;02
Speaker 2
And then.
01;08;58;05 - 01;09;12;24
Speaker 1
And then they bring them up again. So the rescuers are heroes. Because as a person who's going volunteering to rescue, unconscious body in the fucking crevasse, pull you up and stays down, just waiting. He rose. Heroes, rose.
01;09;12;26 - 01;09;15;18
Speaker 2
And some of these crevices go way down.
01;09;15;18 - 01;09;18;01
Speaker 1
Way down, way down we go.
01;09;18;01 - 01;09;18;08
Speaker 3
Yeah.
01;09;18;09 - 01;09;34;00
Speaker 2
Oh. All right, so I got two questions for you. Right. These are these are like the probably the last two. Right. So first one is that go to all these things of, like hiking, going like you know, the, the glaciers that this and that late at night or so. Was there any moments where you felt like, wow, this could be it.
01;09;34;03 - 01;09;55;13
Speaker 1
Once it was, thunderstorm. That's why also, again, be prepared because, the weather in the month is changed really fast. So we were prepared. That was actually with my ex. So we were doing this, was it was a four days hike. It was not super high, but we still had lots of valleys and passes and valleys and passes and, there was one actually went.
01;09;55;14 - 01;10;12;01
Speaker 1
There is. We also broke up, because for me, I was like, okay, the weather changes. So I know they say there's going to be a thunderstorm at this in this time range, but always at one plus one hour, both sides, they're always a buffer zone. And it's like, no no, no no no. We can wait. We can basically let's just go.
01;10;12;01 - 01;10;19;18
Speaker 1
Why? Why do we wait? And then what happened? Then we were on the call at the thunderstorm. And you don't want to be on a fucking call.
01;10;19;20 - 01;10;20;05
Speaker 3
Yeah.
01;10;20;06 - 01;10;36;22
Speaker 1
Because you have no protection. There's nothing. You're completely. You're there. And, because the puffy it was, in a way, in a ideal scenario, it was correct. Because from this hard to the other heart, it was like this up down there. So we would have been quite quick. It would be like five hours, like quick, quick.
01;10;36;25 - 01;10;38;29
Speaker 3
Quick. Yeah. I won't go to bed.
01;10;38;29 - 01;10;43;20
Speaker 1
That I sound obnoxiously pretentious. I know, I'm sorry. Because when you do these kind of things, you know that. No, no, no.
01;10;43;22 - 01;10;46;00
Speaker 2
I don't want to keep on going. Sorry, I apologize, it's just a.
01;10;46;02 - 01;10;49;06
Speaker 3
Lot of history. But it's true. I mean, let's,
01;10;49;08 - 01;11;04;10
Speaker 1
So we went up there and the thunder, so started. I was like, fuck, what do we do? What do we do? What do we do? So the first thing we did is like, everything there was metallic. We just threw it out my poles. We threw them, the carabiners, we everything. Like everything that is metallic. You throw out far away from you and.
01;11;04;17 - 01;11;26;26
Speaker 1
And thank God there was a huge boulder. We just crawled under it and we just stayed on there. You stay low as possible, but we threw everything out. You started raining. You were just there. And then I start seeing these clouds just forming. And then we were in the cloud. And then I never heard, you know, when you see the the lightnings and you just see the line like this.
01;11;26;27 - 01;11;27;26
Speaker 3
01;11;27;29 - 01;11;43;17
Speaker 1
This one we see. But when you're in a cloud with the thunderstorm in it you actually just explosion. You are like pom pom pom. And so we start seeing all these pom pom just really close to us. I was like okay tomorrow we are on the newspaper because we were just so close. And you feel and you feel the electricity.
01;11;43;17 - 01;11;48;17
Speaker 1
So I feel my hair was all like this. And you feel it in the, in the hand, everything. I was like, I'm.
01;11;48;18 - 01;11;50;18
Speaker 2
Dead because you guys are so high up. We basically we went.
01;11;50;18 - 01;12;07;11
Speaker 1
High and we went in the cloud with the lightnings, and we were literally sight and was like, this is it, this is it. And anytime you hear the the explosions. And I was so surprised because you it's literally like flashes, you know, like you always think is like like this. Why it's like this. Because the flash touch something on the ground.
01;12;07;11 - 01;12;11;13
Speaker 1
Yeah. And that's where it connects. And you create electricity. But that was a flash.
01;12;11;15 - 01;12;11;27
Speaker 3
Flash.
01;12;11;27 - 01;12;17;08
Speaker 2
Wow. Was it like, blinding or was it like. Or just like it was just like very light, like.
01;12;17;11 - 01;12;28;01
Speaker 1
Oh good question. I remember it felt more like a, almost like a yellow flash. Oh yeah. And the but then as soon as you can see left and I was like.
01;12;28;04 - 01;12;29;29
Speaker 3
Okay, okay.
01;12;30;02 - 01;12;32;18
Speaker 1
But I was really scared. I was like, okay, we that you're like.
01;12;32;20 - 01;12;34;07
Speaker 2
Wow. Well, I mean.
01;12;34;08 - 01;12;36;02
Speaker 1
Then there was a boulder. Yeah, there was a boulder.
01;12;36;02 - 01;12;41;12
Speaker 2
I don't know why me. Another good thing was that that was like the most clearest sign the breakup with your ex, right?
01;12;41;14 - 01;12;43;23
Speaker 3
I mean, then boom.
01;12;43;29 - 01;12;49;14
Speaker 2
Okay, this is I think I should not be with this guy. This is clearly a sign that this is not going to work out.
01;12;49;21 - 01;12;50;24
Speaker 3
Oh, so you do.
01;12;50;26 - 01;12;57;06
Speaker 1
See too many other ways, but, yeah. When I, when I finally, you know, was thinking maybe.
01;12;57;06 - 01;12;59;03
Speaker 3
We should start breaking up.
01;12;59;06 - 01;13;18;02
Speaker 1
I don't know if it was the same year or the year after, but the, my head was like, nah, because obviously the kind of, chilliness or less unpreparedness. In that case, it would have been very dangerous. But in normal life, and again, everybody can be what they want. But I'm not like that. And so you need to be with somebody who's more like that.
01;13;18;04 - 01;13;19;25
Speaker 1
And sorry, I mean, that's how it works, right?
01;13;19;25 - 01;13;20;17
Speaker 3
Yeah. No, it is.
01;13;20;24 - 01;13;24;23
Speaker 1
I've seen a couple just because like guys. Cute though, if it doesn't work out and work out.
01;13;24;26 - 01;13;25;04
Speaker 3
Right.
01;13;25;05 - 01;13;41;18
Speaker 1
And for me, there was also other things and there was a clear, externals sort of sign of how he was behaving inside, let's say. So you can be, prepared like that and you can be an extremely, I don't know, always missing flight and things like that. I'm sorry. After a while, he's not funny anymore.
01;13;41;18 - 01;13;43;00
Speaker 3
It's like. Right, it's.
01;13;43;00 - 01;13;46;21
Speaker 2
It's like spontaneous. It's like, no, no, it's not.
01;13;46;24 - 01;13;53;11
Speaker 1
I mean, the obvious spontaneity is great, but, it's, when you just be spontaneous always means that you're losing money all the time and you.
01;13;53;11 - 01;13;56;11
Speaker 3
Just waste your time. I'm sorry.
01;13;56;13 - 01;14;06;15
Speaker 1
I like having, you know, I have money to spend for clear of things, right? Like, oh, we miss your flight because, you you don't want to leave the house three minutes before, and then we have to spend all twice the amount.
01;14;06;17 - 01;14;10;17
Speaker 3
Oh, yeah. Oh, is he funny? I don't think is funny. Oh, and especially.
01;14;10;21 - 01;14;15;16
Speaker 1
This is a funny story. Yeah, but when I'm leaving it, I would like to be on the beach by now. Yeah.
01;14;15;16 - 01;14;27;17
Speaker 2
And especially just laughing in the midst of what is happening. You're like, all right, you know, this is not funny. Like, cut it out. Yeah. It's like, it's funny in hindsight, but, you know. Okay, well, that's that's wow. I mean, good that you made it out.
01;14;27;23 - 01;14;27;29
Speaker 3
Yeah.
01;14;27;29 - 01;14;30;27
Speaker 1
It was awful in those pieces.
01;14;30;29 - 01;14;45;28
Speaker 2
Yeah. Because I'm like, all right. It had to be at least one situation or two when something went down. But so all right last question I have and this is a question I ask everybody who's on a podcast, is that you've been through a lot of different things in life. I mean, well, again, I'm not going to say one more time about you.
01;14;46;01 - 01;14;55;22
Speaker 2
Yeah. Glacier. You know, the crevice. You almost fell down. Your boyfriend was like, okay. And thank you for let me know you're going to fall down this, you know, Glacier.
01;14;55;25 - 01;14;56;25
Speaker 3
The worst.
01;14;56;28 - 01;14;59;21
Speaker 1
Dangerous in the end is not is not nature is is the human.
01;14;59;21 - 01;15;00;28
Speaker 3
So why?
01;15;00;28 - 01;15;04;03
Speaker 1
I was way more scared because of guys in my life than,
01;15;04;05 - 01;15;04;28
Speaker 3
Okay.
01;15;05;01 - 01;15;18;01
Speaker 2
So man versus bear for you is man versus the hole in a glacier, and, and he will pick the hole in the glacier every time that you.
01;15;18;04 - 01;15;23;07
Speaker 3
Oh, think helping me fall in the glacier, the man.
01;15;23;09 - 01;15;47;04
Speaker 2
In a in a hiking path or whatever, up there in the mountains. That's funny. That's actually funny. You should probably do something with that, but, so, yeah, you meant a lot different things, right? And, you know, even traveling, leaving your hometown of Italy 18 to go to, oh, just the UK, Essex. Right. And then you travel to all these different places knowing these different languages won't be the number one advice that you give to your younger self.
01;15;47;07 - 01;15;50;00
Speaker 2
If you had a chance.
01;15;50;02 - 01;16;17;02
Speaker 1
Oh. I was thinking about it literally last week. Just do it. She's not. I'm not so sponsored by Nike, but, simply as that, the things my biggest regret, I would say, is that I started very late. We think that I really wanted to do, because when you grow up and, you know, I come from, middle class and, my, my grandparents were both migrant.
01;16;17;03 - 01;16;37;07
Speaker 1
So they, they had the value of work and the values, like, you have to have enough money to, to save. You have to do the things properly. You have to study, thing that's going to bring you money, which is good, right? Because also I managed finally now to start what I want to do last two years because I save enough money to finally be like, okay, I can maybe risk it, you know?
01;16;37;10 - 01;16;54;06
Speaker 1
Yeah. But before it was like, no, you're good at maths. Then you go study economics and, you, you know, and if you do economies and you work, I don't know, for me, I was in the UN and then in the, you know, public office in Switzerland. Then my colleagues would go, my classmates will go to banks and so on, because all safe jobs.
01;16;54;06 - 01;17;17;17
Speaker 1
Right. And but the thing is, are safe jobs. When they that you touch, I touch rock bottom. So many times I was like, I'm so miserable. I'm so incredibly miserable. And so I would always do these things on this side. The Alpine Club, learning how to ski. I do some theater classes because, you know, try different things, but every time on the side, always on the side because I have to have the main path is a job that brings me stability and money.
01;17;17;17 - 01;17;32;17
Speaker 1
So my mum is happy and, my, my boyfriend at the time, he came from a rich family, so my mum was very happy. So like I had to be like the good students and the good girl, the good, the girlfriend. And after a while he's like, yeah, yeah, but how can you be always like that and go home?
01;17;32;17 - 01;17;39;10
Speaker 1
And literally because that one day really happened, I would I literally opened the door in a cruel crying towards my bed. I was like, okay, this is not good.
01;17;39;10 - 01;17;40;11
Speaker 3
Yeah. Not good. Okay.
01;17;40;12 - 01;17;59;08
Speaker 1
I mean, I'm sorry, I cannot this is not is not even depression. I don't even know what it is. Is. And so then what happened in 2018? I was like, okay, I'm going to let's change everything. Let's change, let's refresh. Let's turn the page, move to another city. Broke up with, with the he was a sweet guy, but it wasn't working out.
01;17;59;10 - 01;18;16;00
Speaker 1
Stop seeing different people and so on. And I kind of started slowly building my own life. I was like, okay, I feel like I'm more myself. The job was, see, like a very corporate job was very stable. Then Covid hit. So I didn't quit it because, I mean, you know, sorry, I was not in the in, yeah.
01;18;16;01 - 01;18;16;19
Speaker 2
Covid was rough.
01;18;16;19 - 01;18;29;24
Speaker 1
Yeah. It was not in a situation where I could afford to to quit the job at that point. So I stayed. But then it was relationship wise. It went really well with the Yanni. So my, my current boyfriend is I can probably do the man I'm going to die with this year, which sounds extremely.
01;18;29;27 - 01;18;31;16
Speaker 3
Creepy. I'm gonna die out here.
01;18;31;16 - 01;18;35;26
Speaker 2
Well, you guys, you guys kind of agreed every now and then, you know? So it seems like it should.
01;18;35;27 - 01;18;37;04
Speaker 1
We are prepared. Okay. That you want I don't.
01;18;37;04 - 01;18;37;29
Speaker 3
Yeah. Okay. Cool. Yeah.
01;18;37;29 - 01;18;40;19
Speaker 2
So I think he's going to work out I think his relationship is going to be the one. Yeah.
01;18;40;24 - 01;18;41;03
Speaker 3
Let's go.
01;18;41;07 - 01;18;44;08
Speaker 1
Oh. She's coming. Great.
01;18;44;10 - 01;18;45;06
Speaker 3
Sorry.
01;18;45;08 - 01;19;04;02
Speaker 1
And, so that was great. I was like, fantastic at this relationship. Now, finally. Yes. This is good. This is good. I have the it's magnificent. Then I started doing sports and so on, and, and then that, the super stable job restructuring the company, closed it in it. There's no more position for you. I was like, okay.
01;19;04;05 - 01;19;21;09
Speaker 1
And I got lucky because I got out with a very nice package, very severance package. I was like, okay, I have a few months. He's like the story of Jimmy Carr. Ricky Gervais. No. And if you want to think about coming to. They left. No. Close to them. Don't worry, guys, so I think I'm not there. But they all start with, like, okay, I have a severance package.
01;19;21;09 - 01;19;37;07
Speaker 1
I have three months free where I don't have to worry about jobs, money, nothing. I have this three months. What do I do with it? I had, I belonged. It was a very generous, package. I was like, okay, I want to do a career transition, and I want to start funny standup comedy. I've been dreaming about this for years.
01;19;37;07 - 01;19;54;01
Speaker 1
I've been writing for years. I got too scared. I was like, fine, I'm going to do these two things. And so I went for one year and a half was a huge career transition, where I went to I went to study sports management because I like sports. I was like, I want to work in comms and PR in sports.
01;19;54;03 - 01;20;09;23
Speaker 1
So let me try to see how I can do that. And so in the comedy, I went to London to see a friend. He told me about the Angel Comedy Club, which is a comedy club in London. So, you know, they give you intensive, standup classes, like, how can you teach to be funny? It was like weird.
01;20;09;25 - 01;20;12;22
Speaker 1
Fuck it, let me do it. So I went, stay one week.
01;20;12;24 - 01;20;14;00
Speaker 3
He did it. It was.
01;20;14;00 - 01;20;17;06
Speaker 1
Awful. I learned a lot. But the showcase at the end, I was like, oh my.
01;20;17;06 - 01;20;17;19
Speaker 3
God, this is.
01;20;17;19 - 01;20;30;09
Speaker 1
Awful, I hate it. And then I came back and I was like, okay, I'm gonna carry on with the career transition. So I was doing lots of volunteering, networking, meeting people, talking to Nana, and then I started performing like this, and and it's going well.
01;20;30;11 - 01;20;32;21
Speaker 3
I say, okay, okay, okay.
01;20;32;23 - 01;20;41;21
Speaker 1
And now look, one year later, I work in sports PR I'm been doing now, what, 180 gigs and in Berlin three times. Amazing for comedy.
01;20;41;21 - 01;20;43;15
Speaker 2
Yeah. Thank you very much. Help me with that. Yeah.
01;20;43;19 - 01;20;51;21
Speaker 1
I went to New York. I went to the fringe this year, again for trying out an the. You guys are nothing. Yeah. I'm going to be super famous because I got these comments like.
01;20;51;25 - 01;20;52;02
Speaker 3
I just.
01;20;52;02 - 01;21;09;21
Speaker 1
Want you to try. And the wool thing, the wool red thread would, of all of this, is that. Why not try? What's the worst that can happen and do it? And so now for me, now everything I do, I just go one, two, three and I go and it's just, it just it's okay. I, I'm, I'm, I'm done with overthinking.
01;21;09;21 - 01;21;17;04
Speaker 1
I'm done with overthinking. And think what other people are going to think of me and the judgment. I'm sick of it. I'm done. I'm done with that. I'm done.
01;21;17;07 - 01;21;18;14
Speaker 3
Yeah, I can today.
01;21;18;16 - 01;21;20;25
Speaker 1
I'm like, fucking hell, man, I can be dead tomorrow.
01;21;20;28 - 01;21;26;07
Speaker 2
Yeah. I mean, with all the hiking and doing. Oh yeah. That's it. Yeah. That's actually like for real.
01;21;26;07 - 01;21;28;12
Speaker 3
Like, so yeah, I.
01;21;28;14 - 01;21;39;06
Speaker 1
I was like a bus, like, I call it quits on overthinking. I'm done. I'm done with all of that. And if I want to do something, I do it and fuck the rest. I mean, life is too short. I'm done.
01;21;39;06 - 01;21;39;21
Speaker 3
With.
01;21;39;23 - 01;21;59;26
Speaker 2
I mean, yeah, and I I'm. I really feel what you're saying there. Like. I mean, same thing thinking about it. I just fucking do it. And I think like even your transition like from, like something as stable to going something is not really stable, especially in immigrant like culture or like, I mean, many calls, let me say immigrant, let's just say cultural, you know, like that fear.
01;21;59;26 - 01;22;20;21
Speaker 2
And it comes from like your parents and then you know, what they want best for you. But that's I agree with you as a person, what you do. So I think that was very powerful for you just even to share all of that of like that transition from like, okay, you're going to school, good job, good person. Even the people you, you, you date and they did the parents respecting that because of the money in money, money, money it's ability.
01;22;20;21 - 01;22;32;07
Speaker 2
Then you breaking out and then you come across the other side and be like, this is what I like to do. You even met somebody that does what you really like to do and just like taking that leap. So I, I really they're on board with you on that one.
01;22;32;11 - 01;22;49;28
Speaker 1
Obviously is hard work. I'm not going to say the last two years were easy at all. I mean, I, I, I mean, I could have gone backpacking for South America. I fucking didn't do it. Like I was like, okay, I have this chance and it's the only time I have also, because there's a woman a certain age, there's also other things that come into your mind and society, pressure over other things.
01;22;49;28 - 01;23;03;23
Speaker 1
So it's like my time is. So I have a very short window to try it out. If I fuck it up, if I go back to something else. Right. Because I then I might have to start thinking about, you know, maybe making the first point I want to make them, I don't know. Right. So for another.
01;23;03;23 - 01;23;04;24
Speaker 3
Chapter. So yeah.
01;23;04;27 - 01;23;15;02
Speaker 1
But as a woman in your mid 30s you have so much social pressure from so many things that sometimes on the other gender don't.
01;23;15;04 - 01;23;17;14
Speaker 2
Yeah. We don't. Yeah. We don't. Yeah.
01;23;17;14 - 01;23;20;05
Speaker 1
I'm very jealous of you guys. You can be sending outfits to me. Yeah.
01;23;20;07 - 01;23;22;18
Speaker 3
01;23;22;20 - 01;23;23;22
Speaker 2
Boy, do we have. Yeah.
01;23;23;22 - 01;23;24;01
Speaker 3
We do.
01;23;24;08 - 01;23;25;25
Speaker 2
Yeah, unfortunately. But, you know.
01;23;25;25 - 01;23;47;08
Speaker 1
And so it's really hard work. I really work hard for that. And I'm very good at what I am now. But again, I'm earning way less than before. But the every day I go to the office, I'm, I'm happy to see my team are happy to do the things that I'm doing. When I perform, I'm not maybe the most social comedian out there, because I like to write and perform and see what it worked.
01;23;47;08 - 01;23;52;11
Speaker 1
Right? Yeah. I don't see a lot for drinks later, because I just gotta go home and listen to the beat.
01;23;52;14 - 01;23;53;21
Speaker 2
Which is a good thing.
01;23;53;21 - 01;23;54;08
Speaker 3
Yeah.
01;23;54;10 - 01;24;10;24
Speaker 1
I the things there was a comedian was her name Chloe Radcliffe was listen to a podcast about her yesterday. Oh okay. And she was saying that the 20s were for socializing in her 30s and for working. And that's the thing, like for me, when I wanted to start standup comedy, I, when I was in my 20s, I couldn't do it.
01;24;10;27 - 01;24;33;02
Speaker 1
And so I'm kind of at the I now kind of like, try to recover seven years of comedy career that I didn't have. Right? Yeah. And so the socializing aspect, I'm, I just need to really work on my thing, go on my writing and, and and that's what I'm trying to do. So everything I, I feel like sometimes the, the, the negative perception is that I don't like wasting my time.
01;24;33;05 - 01;24;43;07
Speaker 1
And so I sometimes I don't hang out. It's all because of waste of time, because sometimes it's beautiful. Right? But it's like, I really I'm sorry guys, because if I'm not here, the time that I'm here is the time that I'm not spending with my.
01;24;43;07 - 01;24;44;08
Speaker 3
Boyfriend or.
01;24;44;08 - 01;24;56;07
Speaker 1
With my friends, or doing the job that I like. So for me, every almost every minute, which is extremely stressful, I know, but every minute I need to almost accounted for it. And because I lost this last seven years, basically.
01;24;56;14 - 01;25;17;27
Speaker 2
Yeah, I mean, I and I would maybe, you know, objective not even because you started on the time that works for you instead of comedy is one of those things where especially here in Europe, too. I mean, I always say this for people who just starting out here, it is so open. You can literally do whatever. I mean, you have like the London or the British and and American styles of things, but it's coming from places where it's already has been established is a little more rigid here.
01;25;17;27 - 01;25;33;10
Speaker 2
It's like, I mean, you really can do like is so open. Yeah. To almost all level even me, I'm still trying to learn how open it is, how how you can express yourself, do jokes and stuff, and also to add to it to about like the writing, which that's a great thing. That's a thing. Yeah. Keep that energy.
01;25;33;10 - 01;25;55;14
Speaker 2
I mean, you like to listen to you to want to listen. You said everything. Keep the energy. But, I'd say that sometimes writing it also happens amongst conversation with people. And, you know, when that time comes, when you feel comfortable that sometimes you have, like, these, this happens to me a lot of the time I say something and then, you know, it's just like a stream consciousness.
01;25;55;14 - 01;25;58;09
Speaker 2
I might maybe like, oh, you should you should do something with that. Oh, my.
01;25;58;13 - 01;26;00;08
Speaker 3
Oh, okay. Okay, okay.
01;26;00;08 - 01;26;17;21
Speaker 2
Like some of the jokes I say, I'm like, because I'm just saying I feel like, oh, you should probably you should turn that into something. Okay. Like for, I would say comedians that do. Right. I, you know, be around funny people of the night, then it's just going to be whatever. But you're around funny people like even the thing you said about like, you know, the, the glaceon, you know, man versus, you know, bear, man, bear.
01;26;17;28 - 01;26;32;13
Speaker 2
But like, man, you know, it even maybe the thing about Glacier, like, you thought it was nothing for me, I'm like, whoa, wait, whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa. You fell in a glacier and you came out. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. No no no, that's a big deal. I don't know what you want to do with that, but actually it is.
01;26;32;13 - 01;26;34;24
Speaker 3
Let's go into that to wait. Let's break it. Yeah.
01;26;34;27 - 01;26;42;14
Speaker 2
So I just recorded on a podcast, I'm like, yo, please go into detail that is that you do not let that go. But you know, some of those things,
01;26;42;20 - 01;26;45;03
Speaker 1
It's my boyfriend in the let me go in the crevasse.
01;26;45;05 - 01;26;45;27
Speaker 3
Right.
01;26;45;29 - 01;26;52;08
Speaker 2
But yeah, that that's a marriage that y'all buried. Y'all basically married him. He's like, okay. And then you use. You agree to it. Okay.
01;26;52;08 - 01;26;59;06
Speaker 3
Yeah. Could be the knife. Could you imagine? Like I stopped you right now. You okay? Yes. That's not toxic. What are you doing?
01;26;59;10 - 01;27;05;16
Speaker 2
I nothing I fell down just one minute. Just like, just saw this stuff. It just make it happen.
01;27;05;22 - 01;27;06;01
Speaker 3
Oh, you.
01;27;06;01 - 01;27;06;21
Speaker 1
More pleasurable.
01;27;06;21 - 01;27;07;26
Speaker 3
Is it?
01;27;07;28 - 01;27;15;03
Speaker 2
So is it. Irene I didn't it ain't it. It ain't you didn't it. It ain't it okay, I didn't it arena car. Kabul.
01;27;15;03 - 01;27;15;29
Speaker 3
Kabul.
01;27;16;01 - 01;27;16;12
Speaker 2
Okay.
01;27;16;15 - 01;27;17;02
Speaker 1
Stage name.
01;27;17;02 - 01;27;19;16
Speaker 2
But I rent a car. But what. What's there for?
01;27;19;23 - 01;27;21;28
Speaker 3
If you're want it. Come on. Yeah, well.
01;27;22;00 - 01;27;23;17
Speaker 1
I know it's beautiful, but the thing.
01;27;23;17 - 01;27;26;22
Speaker 3
Is, I would not. I, I have clients, okay, okay, okay.
01;27;26;22 - 01;27;29;06
Speaker 2
I do not want to to put.
01;27;29;06 - 01;27;29;18
Speaker 3
Yourself like.
01;27;29;18 - 01;27;34;24
Speaker 1
I put my name the full name once, for a while on the Instagram, things like. Yeah, I'm looking for jobs.
01;27;34;24 - 01;27;36;15
Speaker 3
And,
01;27;36;17 - 01;27;38;14
Speaker 1
I don't want this, and there's not much. I mean, I don't.
01;27;38;14 - 01;27;39;22
Speaker 3
Post a lot. Yeah.
01;27;39;23 - 01;27;41;09
Speaker 1
Now I'm a more because I'm.
01;27;41;11 - 01;27;42;20
Speaker 3
There's more that.
01;27;42;20 - 01;27;48;18
Speaker 1
Say decent content. I could, obviously put there. Yeah. But still, I mean, even if you rent a car was very close to.
01;27;48;18 - 01;27;53;02
Speaker 3
My real name. I just I had clients, and. It's okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01;27;53;02 - 01;28;08;00
Speaker 2
You you, you know. Hey, look, I know you got you got clients, you got a nice scarf, you got a gingham, you know, a pants, I get it. You're a high. You're a person high positions. You know, you fall on glaciers on the weekends, I get it. You moving around, you doing things in life. You don't. You don't want your business to be put out there.
01;28;08;00 - 01;28;27;09
Speaker 2
I get it, I get it. But, Irene Carbo, thank you very much. Have you on the podcast? Yeah. Very fun. I know this was do this, like, the first time, but, who's moving around and stuff? So I'm glad it worked out this time. So it's always good, you know, as they say. So, guys, thank you for listening or watching to the Third Culture Talk podcast.
01;28;27;09 - 01;28;33;11
Speaker 2
I'm your boy Nya Yeanafehn! this is Irene Carbo. Yay. And I'll see you guys in the next one. Peace.
01;28;33;13 - 01;28;33;22
Speaker 3
Yeah.
