The Me Too's Terminal Illness

The credibility of the #MeToo movement hangs in the balance as celebrity controversies dominate headlines. Could high-profile cases like Blake Lively's accusations against Justin Baldoni and Amber Heard's battle with Johnny Depp be undermining the very movement meant to empower survivors?

We pull no punches examining how false allegations create devastating ripple effects for legitimate victims seeking justice. "She's ruining it for people that it actually happens to," one host observes, highlighting how opportunistic claims can silence authentic voices in need of support.

The conversation takes a surprising turn when we reveal shocking statistics from rehabilitation classes where 21 out of 29 men admitted to experiencing domestic abuse from their partners. This overlooked epidemic exists in the shadows because, as one host explains, "You're a pansy if you do" speak up about being abused. When men finally attempt to defend themselves, they often become labeled as the perpetrators - creating a damaging cycle of silence and shame.

Hollywood power dynamics feature prominently as we dissect the complex dynamics around figures like Harvey Weinstein, Ellen DeGeneres, and P. Diddy. The discussion explores how society's rush to judgment has transformed our justice system into "guilty until proven innocent" - a dangerous reversal that serves no one.

Between personal stories and cultural analysis, we challenge listeners to consider both sides of the equation: believing victims while acknowledging the real damage caused by false accusations. The stakes couldn't be higher for a movement that has empowered countless survivors but now faces a critical credibility test.

Have you witnessed the impact of false allegations on real victims? Share your thoughts and join the conversation about how we can protect the integrity of movements meant to give voice to the voiceless.

Transcript

Introducing Hashtag Me Too Ain't So Lively

Speaker 2 0:12

Hey everybody, welcome to Saki Toomey. Hey everybody, it's Ditto. We're back, Saki Toomey, connecting people to people, and have you heard Hashtag me? Me Too ain't so lively. I got Casey here with me.

Speaker 1 0:27

Hi everyone.

Speaker 2 0:29

And we're gonna get into. We're gonna like just sink our teeth right into this. Screw it. Here we go, Screw it. Amber Heard and Blake Lively have basically destroyed Hashtag Me Too.

Speaker 1 0:41

Yeah, I don't know that they're helping it at all, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 0:44

Why not?

Speaker 1 0:45

Because they're kind of.

Speaker 2 0:46

Stupid, yeah, morons, idiots Retards Most women.

Speaker 1 0:52

Oh, that's, I slipped into this.

Speaker 2 0:54

Stop generalizing the. You know all women do everything. This is not a generalization for all women, because there are women out there that are fucking wonderful for all women, because there are women out there that are fucking wonderful, exactly. But this does shed a light. It makes you ask yourself was harvey weinstein wrong?

Speaker 1 1:10

yeah, I don't know a ton about the harvey weinstein thing, but it did seem a little odd. It's one of those everything comes out, one person says something and all of a sudden everybody jumps on the bandwagon even with diddy, things came out all of a sudden.

Speaker 2 1:22

People are just hopping on there.

Speaker 1 1:23

And some things are legit, I think, and some things are not necessarily. And that's kind of the problem, that you can kind of say anything and because of this Me Too movement it's allowed.

Speaker 2 1:34

Once you say it's there, it's like stone.

Speaker 1 1:36

Yeah, you can't take it back.

Speaker 2 1:37

You can't take it back and people will believe it Pretty much Right yeah?

Speaker 1 1:45

yeah, like even ellen degenerate should be involved in this ellen.

Speaker 2 1:47

She ruined people's lives. How did ellen ruin people's lives? Well, she killed ann hache. What she literally drove. She laid down the road so ann hache would swerve and crash into a pole and die wow, I'm pretty sure you made that up I totally made that up yeah yes, I did, but I'm not far off uh, it's close to that I feel. Look, I feel like there's a line in hollywood that you just if you need something done and you're powerful enough in Hollywood, you can have it done.

Speaker 1 2:07

Yeah, but what's the benefit? What was the benefit of that for her?

Speaker 2 2:11

Well, Paul Walker's dead because of Haiti.

Speaker 1 2:13

Of Diddy.

Speaker 2 2:14

No Haiti and Clinton.

Speaker 1 2:16

Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 2:17

And Anne Heche is dead because of Ellen.

Speaker 1 2:19

Yeah, but why?

Harvey Weinstein and Hollywood Power Games

Speaker 2 2:20

She's probably into I don't know, but she's probably into moving kids around somewhere. Moving kids around. Maybe she's into, like, helping to foster children. I don't know, but either way, Okay, there's probably something on her, but how come nobody liked to work with her?

Speaker 1 2:34

Ellen, yeah, is that true. I didn't know that.

Speaker 2 2:37

There are so many people that hate Ellen. Really, I guess I didn't know that that I always liked alan on tv, but they praised her for being the first woman to come out openly gay. Yeah, on tv, right with ann hage, right, wasn't? Well, she was with ann hage when it happened? Yes, but ann hage was bisexual okay so that doesn't count yeah well, I mean it counts. Don't get me wrong, but I bisexual people are becoming more and more today, but that's another story, uh but there was somebody else that came out gay first.

Speaker 2 3:05

Now I forget who it was. I read this the other day oh boy, and they ostracized her and she's no longer in hollywood, and then they praised ellen really who the hell was it?

Speaker 1 3:16

I didn't, I don't know these pieces oh no, you know what it was.

Speaker 2 3:18

You know what it was? Rosie o'donnell. Oh, it was, rosie o'donnell said that first well, she's still and she got condemned for a while.

Speaker 1 3:26

Okay.

Speaker 2 3:27

And then Ellen comes out and she's just, you know, glorified, yeah, what's the difference?

Speaker 1 3:33

I have no idea. I always liked Ellen, but I don't know her as a person. I just saw her TV show, thought she was funny.

Speaker 2 3:40

She dances like a guy that can't dance.

Speaker 1 3:42

Well, that's what's funny about it.

Speaker 2 3:44

That's not funny at all. It's really not.

Speaker 1 3:47

I think it's funny.

Speaker 2 3:48

Well, she's trying to make it funny and people laugh at her because they don't want to be offensive to gay people. Seriously, she's getting entertainment and laughs and stuff because she was gay and she was the first one. So you have to like now, what do I say Now? What do I say Am Now? What do I say Now? What do I say Am I supposed to say this? What do I do? So now the confusion sets in.

Speaker 1 4:07

Right, and you're like what the?

Speaker 2 4:08

fuck and these pronouns.

Speaker 1 4:10

Oh boy.

Speaker 2 4:10

I just want to be referred to as pronoun.

Speaker 1 4:12

Oh, stop it, We've already had that Pronoun does this? Right.

Speaker 2 4:17

Stupid, but at the same time it's funny how things happened around her. Things happened around her. And then there was an interview the other day with Megyn Kelly and Rob. Schneider. Okay, and they were talking about it, and Rob Schneider was saying that Ellen was the worst person to work with. Now here's Rob Schneider, who has notoriously been, I wouldn't say difficult, but honest.

Speaker 1 4:38

Okay.

Speaker 2 4:38

And because he was honest about things, they didn't like him. Yet he's in with Adam Sandler, who everyone wants to work with.

Speaker 1 4:45

Exactly yeah.

Speaker 2 4:46

Adam Sandler's like no, you're a good dude. So at that point, what's going on?

Speaker 1 4:51

Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 4:52

And here he comes and he's saying she was a horrible person. She does this and she's complaining that she's blacklisted from Hollywood. Well, you're probably blacklisted for a reason at this point because there's so much going on.

Speaker 1 5:05

Yeah, didn't she move out of the country?

Ellen DeGeneres and Hollywood Blacklisting

Speaker 2 5:08

They all did, a lot of people did. They all moved at one point or another. I don't know that they moved, but they left for a while, even Jay-Z and Beyonce and all that stuff. But let's get back to the hashtag Me Too and how Blake Lively has literally ruined it.

Speaker 1 5:21

Yeah, has literally ruined it. Yeah, I liked Blake Lively, ryan Reynolds. I thought they were amazing.

Speaker 2 5:26

He's trying to get out of it they're going to be divorced by the end of this year.

Speaker 1 5:32

I happen to think he was part of this and I think that she probably did something or was maybe flirting with this guy, I don't really know and he wanted to put a stop to it. And I think they did not realize that their accusations were going to be backed up, that Justin Baldoni basically came out and was like oh, that's not how this happened. Look, I have proof, I can show you all these things. Oh, this scene that you're saying, you know, was so terrible and I was saying these things. I actually do have the words. You can hear what we were saying to each other.

Speaker 2 6:05

It wasn could hear what we were saying to each other. It wasn't bad. I they didn't think she was too naive to think that anybody would do that. And that's where men are going now, right, men are going to back themselves up to say listen, women are gaslighters some men are too stupid to remember they really are. It's like we don't have enough mental capacity to sit there, remember shit and then turn around and use it against you.

Speaker 1 6:25

We're not that bright yeah, I mean, some people are in order to defend ourselves.

Speaker 2 6:30

Now we have to take video, and I have a friend in one of my classes okay that is divorced now because he was being beaten. Really, yes, he was in a toxic relationship and he was being beaten by the woman. The woman had the balls to go out to the police and say he hits me, he hits me. They're watching the video and they're like I think he's the one that's being beaten here. She got arrested.

Speaker 1 6:53

Yeah, that should be how that is.

Speaker 2 6:55

That's because that's generally what happens, and in these classes, said classes, I'm noticing it more and more, and nobody takes notice of men being beaten.

Speaker 1 7:05

Well, most men don't really say it, right.

Speaker 2 7:08

It's exactly the opposite of hashtag Me Too, and I know that hashtag Me Too includes it to be everyone, but men are beaten more than women and it goes unrecorded and unpoliced.

Speaker 1 7:23

Right yeah, hashtag Me Too, was more about women.

Speaker 2 7:26

Oh 100%.

Speaker 1 7:27

So it definitely was.

Speaker 2 7:29

And then they pooped it out of their vaginas.

Speaker 1 7:31

Ew what.

Speaker 2 7:32

Okay, well, that's what they did. Anyway, keep going.

Speaker 1 7:34

Wow, yeah, but I think men don't really come out and say that very often.

Speaker 2 7:40

There's no way to say it. You're a pansy if you do Like I was beaten and I made jokes out of it.

Speaker 1 7:48

Exactly.

Speaker 2 7:48

Because, oh, I must have deserved it. Yeah, I'm a man. If I wanted to, I'd beat the crap out of her true, right so that, but that's the thing. So then, it's funny when you get beaten, because what do you say? Oh, I gotta be, I'm so, I'm so scared of her no, you don't say that well.

Speaker 1 8:03

Is that on the woman, though, or is it on the men that have created this situation?

Speaker 2 8:07

where it's not, it's on both parties to say it it's on both parties and it's based on society and the way you're raised. Men are taught to not say that stuff and you know that doesn't happen. You can't say it, you're gonna look like a pansy right, don't cry, don't so women have often taken advantage of it, and it's becoming more apparent, more and more apparent, that that has happened I don't know that it's that they're taking advantage of it again.

Speaker 1 8:29

I think it's oh god yeah, happens, that, just hasn't been spoken about they're taking advantage of it, and that's what.

Speaker 2 8:34

That's why blake lively is ruining it. She tried to take advantage of it and fucking lost, because men are wising up to it.

Speaker 1 8:41

Yeah, she hasn't lost yet.

Speaker 2 8:42

But she's not looking good. Oh my God, please, you don't need a magic eight ball for this one.

Speaker 1 8:48

Yeah, like I said, why have guys created it? That it's not okay to talk about that stuff.

Speaker 2 8:54

I don't know why I was just taught that way.

Speaker 1 8:57

Because if it's said to me, I'm not automatically going to assume you're lying about it.

Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni Controversy

Speaker 2 9:00

Because you're supposed to project a strong personality and family society. So you don't sit there and say your wife beat you, you back her up. That's what we were taught. You always back up your lady and then when your woman hits you. That's not right.

Speaker 1 9:15

Right, I agree.

Speaker 2 9:20

And then she can just run out and claim rape, and that's it.

Speaker 1 9:22

You didn't even have to do it soon, as she claimed it. You're fucked, you're fucked. Yeah, it doesn't get taken back it doesn't get taken back.

Speaker 2 9:27

So and it's like this is what people are doing because they think they can get away with it, and by people I mean. I'm sure there's situations in the gay community where either men or women, men and men, women and women have the same things going on, and they do it. So people will use it, because once you yell it out, that's what it is. So you're really guilty until proven innocent in this country.

Speaker 1 9:48

I do agree with that. The guilty until proven innocent. I think it's just, unfortunately, the way that the society has made it recently. That that's it didn't used to be like that, but that's how everything's treated now. But I don't think this is necessarily a men and women thing.

Speaker 1 10:02

I think that it is a man and I don't think, but it's all people have it in their mind that they're going to lie about it and get something from it. I think there's probably a percentage of people that have done that, but I don't think especially in the famous you know celebrity view of it what's the percentage? Uh, I don't know the percentage. They say like only one percent of people lie about. It is what I researched and found but who's they? The whoever did the research on it.

Speaker 2 10:29

So I don't know who that person, those people are I'm going to stand out here right now and say they're fucking wrong. Only one people, only one percent of the people, tell the truth I think that can't possibly be true.

Speaker 1 10:40

I don't think that's true I think it's 100. True, but that's just me well, I, I'm not gonna agree on that. That's a very, very low percentage of honest people and I don't think that's true no shit, if you can gain something from somewhere, wouldn't you do it? But not everything is a gain on this. So yes, in the celebrity world, obviously har Harvey Weinstein comes out. Now, mind you, everybody loved Harvey Weinstein. There are Nobody People would get up and thank him at every single thing they did.

Speaker 2 11:05

No, that was they were taught to do, that Harvey Weinstein is not a good human being.

Speaker 1 11:09

I'm not saying he is.

Speaker 2 11:10

He is a dirtbag and I am totally judging that book by its cover.

Speaker 1 11:14

A hundred percent because we do not know these people.

Speaker 2 11:16

But you can tell by his eyes, his face and his mannerisms and everything that he was just not well liked as a youngster.

Speaker 1 11:23

Right.

Speaker 2 11:24

And once he had this ability to have relations with all these gorgeous women Right, he took advantage of it, yeah, but there's a flip side to that coin. Those girls wanted it because they wanted a part in a movie.

Speaker 1 11:38

Exactly.

Speaker 2 11:39

So they did it. So they were doing it, you cannot turn around after that and say, oh, he raped me.

Speaker 1 11:43

No, if you're in agreement at the time, that's not rape.

Speaker 2 11:46

Well, it's not necessarily agreement. It's not agreement. I could walk up to you right now, open my fly and say if you want to be on this podcast, help me out. You have to then decide whether or not to do it correct. I'm not forcing you to do it, but most of them did it because they felt that if they didn't, they wouldn't get a part right, so they did it willingly. It wasn't like he shoved his penis in their mouth no so at what point is that?

Speaker 2 12:11

that's more sexual harassment, sexual assault maybe oh, I, I'm not sitting here telling you harvey weinstein is right so but how are the women?

Speaker 1 12:20

they chose to do it so I don't know exactly I mean, every situation obviously is its own situation. I think it has been shown even with diddy. Everybody, all these people came out right and said he did this to me, he did that to me, and then there are already ones that have gone away because they've been proven. Oh, that didn't really happen. So, yes, some of it happened. But some people come out and think, oh, I can gain from this, so I should sue them too and say I did it too.

Speaker 2 12:46

There's always truth to every story, one way or another.

Speaker 1 12:49

Maybe a bit of truth.

Men Being Abused: The Silent Epidemic

Speaker 2 12:50

No, every story starts from somewhere. It's usually like whatever. There's a beginning of that, and then it's a game of telephone and everything gets uh, embellished and it becomes bigger than it really is. And here we are now. We don't know what is true and what is false no, we have no idea I guarantee you did he's guilty also oh, I'm not saying he's not guilty.

Speaker 1 13:11

I'm not either, was not what I was saying no, with all that vaseline or baby oil, whatever it was, baby oil.

Speaker 2 13:16

You are definitely guilty, man man. You should be guilty on baby oil alone.

Speaker 1 13:21

Nobody needs that much baby oil, no one.

Speaker 2 13:23

Unless you're using it for something and everything, something so weird, weird things happened around him.

Speaker 1 13:27

Yeah.

Speaker 2 13:28

Weird things that shouldn't be happening. If you're not doing anything wrong, these weird things don't happen around you yeah. So where was I going to go here? I said something about something before. No, it was before that. I said something to you a while ago on this show and I forgot what it was. Now I had it and all right, it'll come back to me. But, um, because weinstein, uh, doesn't matter, keep going. Blake lively has ruined a lot for women. No matter matter the outcome of this.

Speaker 2 14:00

She better not lose Because, after Amanda Heard against Johnny Depp, this is going to kick it in the dick and it's going to discredit women everywhere for anything they've ever said. Because now you have two different cases high profile cases that you can point to.

Speaker 1 14:17

But again, it doesn't mean that just because she's wrong, I agree. I don't think Blake Lively is going to win this one. I think she's making everybody look really bad.

Speaker 2 14:24

You're missing the point.

Speaker 1 14:25

It does not mean it's the same for every single person.

Speaker 2 14:27

You're right, but now there's a different thought about it. So you've ruined it for people that it actually happens to. You're hurting the people that, where it actually happens, you're hurting them because you are so greedy. And oh, and, by the way, blake Lively slept with him. What 100%, 100%.

Speaker 1 14:44

That's why you think that. Well, maybe it's because they did.

Speaker 2 14:47

She slept with him and then felt guilty about it, and then this came out. I do that's how it all started. Yeah, I mean, she probably got drunk one night slept with him and then felt, and now she's trying to cover it up. Ryan, Ryan, we should have the movie rights. I want to be in the Marvel Universe. That's why Ryan's trying to get out of it.

Speaker 1 15:02

What do you mean he's trying to get out of?

Speaker 2 15:03

The lawsuit and everything. They're going to be divorced. They'll be divorced by the end of the year.

Speaker 1 15:07

You keep saying that she slept with him.

Speaker 2 15:09

Except he put in a movie, she slept with him and she's trying.

Speaker 1 15:14

He made comments about jokes about it in his movies and stuff, like he definitely incorporated things where he probably should not have.

Speaker 2 15:21

Why wouldn't you? You have your own reputation to protect.

Speaker 1 15:27

I guess, but I don't know. I think it's in bad taste.

Speaker 2 15:31

I didn't say it was in good taste. I would have called her out right away. No, she slept with this guy.

Speaker 1 15:35

That's why we're getting divorced and she deserves what she gets. He had been defending her so You're supposed to defend your wife.

Speaker 2 15:42

You're supposed to, but he's in a position where that's not cool and I believe he lost his spot in Wrexham he lost his spot like he doesn't own it anymore. No, I think he took it away from him.

Speaker 1 15:52

No way, because of this.

Speaker 2 15:54

I didn't read the article, but I saw a headline like that and I have to look more into it. I don't know if I'm right on that, so don't quote me, but I did see something about him losing his spot at Wrexham. Maybe they just demoted him. He's not primary owner anymore, he's like a shareholder.

Speaker 1 16:10

I had not seen that anywhere, but I can't say if it's true or false.

Speaker 2 16:14

He's beginning to lose endorsements, he's losing his favor in Hollywood and that's sad because I love Ryan.

Speaker 1 16:22

Reynolds, I don't think he's blameless in this situation is kind of what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 16:27

Blake Lively is Jada Pinkett Smith only white. It's a rough one. I'm not sure who's white and who's black, but anyway, jada Pinkett Smith Only white. Oof, it's a rough one. I'm not sure who's white and who's black, but anyway, jada Pinkett Smith sucks.

Speaker 1 16:37

Yeah, nobody really likes her.

Speaker 2 16:39

And Blake Lively never really did anything for me and she always had the crazy eyes.

Speaker 1 16:44

Crazy eyes.

Speaker 2 16:46

Oh, people have crazy eyes that you can just see Like oh, you're a little off.

Speaker 1 16:50

Okay.

Speaker 2 16:55

You're a little off. You're a little off, as good looking as she is. If she looks right at the camera, you get a weird I call it a shot of adrenaline and you're like I want to fight you never noticed that about her you gotta put yourself on defense. What with Ryan Reynolds? You look at him and you're like I want to have sex with you that's what you think when you see Ryan Reynolds fuck. Yeah, he's hot as fuck wow he's a good looking dude, but blake lively is good looking herself I agree right, but she's got that crazy part to her.

Speaker 2 17:23

It's like that's why ryan reynolds is with her, because she probably has amazing sex. Crazy people have amazing sex. You've seen that chart I've seen it there's. There's a ratio to crazy and sex in the bed, in the bedroom where it's like, oh the crazy you are, the better you are at sex. The less crazy you are, the more vanilla it is. So everybody. That's why you want to have fun with the crazy ones and then marry.

Speaker 2 17:45

This, you know the vanilla ones or let's go with a vanilla chocolate or, you know, strawberry. At this point, who cares the neapolitan ones? Let's. Let's include with vanilla chocolate or strawberry. At this point, who cares the Neapolitan ones? Let's include all colors. We're not trying to leave people out.

Speaker 1 18:00

Oh my.

Speaker 2 18:03

God, I'm an idiot.

Speaker 1 18:05

So I don't know. I know you had referenced at one point that the whole Me Too thing had to do with women's rights and all of that. I don't know. No, I don't know.

Speaker 2 18:13

No, I don't think it really. That's not what I said.

Speaker 1 18:15

I don't think it stems from any of that.

Personal Stories and Domestic Violence

Speaker 2 18:17

The hashtag MeToo had to do with a lot with women being suppressed for a long time. That's a true story, and what I said was they got their chance to make their point and they went too fast, too soon and they're doing it now. They're ruining it for themselves because it's like all right, you got your time, you have this ability now to kind of control things. And you guys had like 20 years, just so, isn't what you actually said about guys not wanting to speak up.

Speaker 1 18:47

Doesn't that almost kind of say it's for both men and women? Then?

Speaker 2 18:50

That's why guys are speaking up, though, because all these people are coming out and lying about it some no well, yes, yes, yes, you're right sorry, some can't say all but the ones that are lying about it are becoming more and more high profile, and that's what's killing everything.

Speaker 1 19:10

Well, and that's why have you heard Hashtag?

Speaker 2 19:14

me too Ain't so lively.

Speaker 1 19:17

I know you think you're pretty creative with that one.

Speaker 2 19:19

I want that to take flight. Not only am I pretty creative with that one, that's fucking stand up exactly what's happening. It should take off, and if it doesn't, that's on you guys, oh yeah, we better pick that one up and run with it. But yeah, here we are. Uh, in my, in those classes I was speaking of earlier, it there's, there's two different classes and there's 13 and 1 and 16 and the other and they're all men all men, uh, all men okay which is odd because the two leaders are women.

Speaker 2 19:51

That part is, there's four leaders all together.

Speaker 1 19:52

Odd because the two leaders are women.

Speaker 2 19:53

That part is odd. There's four leaders altogether. Three out of the four are women. You put all these men in a room with women.

Speaker 1 20:00

Right, that is odd, that's not bright.

Speaker 2 20:02

That's a dumb ass move.

Speaker 1 20:03

You would think if it was going to be all men, they would have men instructors as well.

Speaker 2 20:07

Correct, and the one guy that we have is not really going to overtake anybody. Who knows? Maybe he knows all kinds of jujitsu, I don't know, but he's just a nice guy.

Speaker 1 20:19

Okay.

Speaker 2 20:19

And the woman's not really going to put up much of a fight, I don't think, against 16 people and he's not going to be able to help?

Speaker 1 20:27

Are you expecting something crazy to break out against these women?

Speaker 2 20:29

I just don't know why you would do this. Whoever's running this thing thinks this is a good idea because it is for rehabilitation okay, all right. So a lot of these guys that are in here are actual hardened thugs and criminals, right? Okay but why would you put these people in harm's way unless you know they're really not criminals and you're just trying to make a buck?

Speaker 2 20:52

I don't think that's what it is, but Well, anyway, in these classes, every single one of them. So that's what? 16 and 13 is 29? There's 29 people in these classes, the two classes. At least 21 of them have admitted to being beaten by their spouse or girlfriend, or whatever 21 of them 21 of them.

Speaker 1 21:12

That seems like a lot.

Speaker 2 21:13

Unfortunately it does. You're right, wow, but this is happening, this is going on, and women are covert.

Speaker 1 21:21

Not all women are covert.

Speaker 2 21:22

No, not all women are covert.

Speaker 1 21:24

Men are also covert.

Speaker 2 21:26

I don't disagree with you, but I don't think men are smart enough to be covert, and if they are, they are probably also narcissists. That being said, why would you put all these men in a room with three girls and one dude?

Speaker 1 21:42

I don't understand it.

Speaker 2 21:43

It really doesn't make any sense. Not only that, but these classes don't even do anything.

Speaker 1 21:47

Yeah, I don't necessarily understand them, but I am surprised by the number that claim they're abused. That's insane.

Speaker 2 21:55

But that's just in these two classes. That's not outside of everything.

Speaker 1 21:59

But do you think outside of these classes? You even know 21 people that have been abused.

Speaker 2 22:04

Abso-fucking-lutely.

Speaker 1 22:05

I don't know that I do.

Speaker 2 22:07

I can pretty much point out a girl that beats their husband.

Speaker 1 22:09

Really.

Speaker 2 22:10

Yes, I shouldn't say husband, a girl that beats their husband Really. Yes, I shouldn't say husband Girl that beats their spouse, their significant other, whatever you want to call it, whatever label you want to put on it yeah, you could tell.

Speaker 1 22:20

Okay.

Speaker 2 22:20

You could tell, because you get uncomfortable around them and there's a couple. You could tell that there's a couple that you really don't want to be there because they're not friendly.

Speaker 1 22:29

Right.

Speaker 2 22:30

And every time they come here it's like awkward that woman beats her husband. Maybe, and that's the husband's fault for being so passive.

Speaker 1 22:38

I'm not going to say blame game on any of it. Who knows? I don't know the situation? I don't think it's appropriate to hit anybody, so I don't.

Speaker 2 22:45

Well, it's not appropriate to hit anybody and it's funny that men do get hit and when they hit back they become the perpetrator.

Speaker 1 22:53

Right.

Speaker 2 22:54

I've asked the entire time if it's because I was brought up like that. From my childhood I was a horrible, horrible child, horrible. My mother, god bless my mother, I'm not even kidding. My mother was always at wit's end with me. I can imagine Always, always, always, and she would throw things at me, hit me with spoons. She would. And I wonder sometimes if I grew up. Just, I love my mother. My mother did not abuse me, no, she was just like I'm fucking eating right now. I'm never getting.

Speaker 2 23:27

Oreos again. But having said that, she was at wit's end, she took it out. Her frustration she took it out of me is punishment right, right and back.

Speaker 1 23:37

Then that was okay there's nothing wrong with that.

Speaker 2 23:39

Beat you right no, she did not really beat. I got hit a lot because I was a horrible child, right? This is a case where I actually deserve to be hit. I was acting out being a fool and she needed to keep me in line and I'm glad she did Discipline right it was discipline. Yes, it wasn't that. She just woke up in the morning, drank a bottle of whiskey and then slapped me around, oh jeez.

Speaker 1 24:02

No, it was like.

Speaker 2 24:03

I woke up in the morning, had Lucky Charms and then had two Oreos and drove her nuts for the rest of the day Pretty drove her nuts. For the rest of the day Pretty much, and in the middle at lunch I had a Coca-Cola Added in some more sugar. Yes, and she had to deal with it, so I don't blame her Right Right Now. Did that translate into my adulthood, where I still do the same things and when I get hit I'm like I deserved it?

Speaker 1 24:27

I don't know. I don't think it's the same thing. I think your parents disciplining you is a very different situation. You were not beaten. It was not like you were abused.

Speaker 2 24:35

I was beaten. Yes, I wasn't abused as a child I was beaten, but I wasn't abused. There's a difference A spanking is a beating.

Speaker 1 24:42

Okay.

Speaker 2 24:43

It's discipline. Yeah, but it's not abuse.

Speaker 1 24:46

But I think kids that are abused abused I think maybe they would be more accustomed to thinking it's more normal in the future, or something. I don't think what you're explaining is a reasoning for it.

Speaker 2 24:57

I but I don't know, I'm not a psychiatrist well then, why do I call my mother for everything? Because she drops everything and goes and does it when my significant other doesn't do it. Because that's what I'm conditioned to. That's why I'm asking this question right, I hear what you're saying.

Speaker 1 25:12

I just I don't know, and I I have no idea. That's what I said. I don't know what, if that's a real thing or not, but I don't think it's ever appropriate as an adult to hit your significant other or anything. I don't think there's a reason for that ever I was beaten as an adult so in my marriage right like I wasn't ever beaten before.

Speaker 2 25:32

That.

Speaker 1 25:33

Exactly.

Speaker 2 25:34

That's crazy. So, I'm obnoxious in every relationship I'm ever in.

Speaker 1 25:39

You are obnoxious in general.

Speaker 2 25:40

yes, Yep, and the only one I was ever beaten in was the marriage. She didn't even beat me before that. She took it out on the walls and the door and all that stuff, but not me, right. We get married and she starts punching me in the face yeah, it's not okay.

Speaker 1 25:54

It wasn't okay. I don't think it's ever okay for anybody girl, guy, anything. I don't think it's okay no women.

Speaker 2 26:01

Men never hit women. You shouldn't.

Speaker 1 26:04

If you do, you're a dick, I don't I have done it same way on the other side.

Speaker 2 26:09

I have done it, though, which is the worst part. I feel awful about it, but it's standing up for yourself and protecting yourself at some point right, it's almost like self-defense it's self-defense right, it's not like you came out and did that first.

Speaker 2 26:21

Yeah, you're defending yourself I don't want to sit here and act like I'm proud of it. It needed to be done. It was assertiveness. It's like stop doing this. I've asked you a thousand times not to do this to me. I'm tired of it. I've had enough. That's it right. As soon as I did that, I got the divorce papers right because she found out who I she knew. I knew who she was and that's what happened. But there are a lot of men like this, a lot of men that just bottle up, they don't say anything and it goes badly and it may end up leading to a life of crime, abandonment, all that stuff. Everybody needs to start paying attention to this, and Blake Lively is ruining it for women.

Closing Thoughts on False Accusations

Speaker 1 27:01

So that's how we got here because she, basically, is accusing somebody of doing something that I don't think really happened she had sex with him.

Speaker 2 27:11

she's embarrassed. She doesn't want Ryan Reynolds to find out. She's creating a story, she thinks she can get away with it and he's like middle finger.

Speaker 1 27:19

Right. Here's the proof that it's not like that.

Speaker 2 27:21

And good for him. I know right this needs to happen at some point and it was only a matter of time. Yeah, and I said to you a Maybe too much, too fast, too soon. I agree, it's a lot of responsibility to have for people that don't know how to wield it. Very true. It's crazy, because if I need help with anything, who do I call?

Speaker 1 27:40

Me.

Speaker 2 27:41

A woman, a woman. Women are much more superior. Anyway, that being said, we're out of time. All right Case. Thanks for being here with me.

Speaker 1 27:49

Anytime.

Speaker 2 27:50

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