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Heart Centered Healing: How Judith Found Her Glow (And How You Can Too)

• Tabitha MacDonald

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Speaker 1:

Hello and welcome. I am so excited to have the lovely Judith Cunningham as a guest today. She is a life, spiritual and sound healing coach and also an author of Power Thesaurus, Creating a Greater Way of Communication. Through sound baths, breathwork and heart-centered techniques, she helps people experience deep transformation, whether it's releasing emotions, shifting perspectives or reconnecting with their true selves. Her work goes beyond relaxation, guiding others to align with their heart and embrace healing on all levels. Welcome, Judith, I'm so happy to have you here today, Thank you. Thank you, Tabatha.

Speaker 2:

I really appreciate it. I'm excited to be here.

Speaker 1:

Judith and I met through BNI, which is a networking group, and we're both part of the wellness team, and when I started thinking about how I wanted to move the podcast forward, I really wanted to get the stories of everyday heroes, and I think everyday heroes, in my opinion, are people who have overcome something great and now help others do the same, and so that's the focus of our talk today, and I'm really excited to hear more about how you got into what you do. But let me ask you, what was life like before your healing journey began? Like what was it that was the catalyst for change?

Speaker 2:

it's. It's funny to remember those moments because I used to be like very quiet, shy, I would not talk to people. I will for years, for years, I walk with my head down because I didn't want to, um, I didn't want people to see me or to talk to me or anything but uh with life. What I noticed is like the more I did that, the more I was creating a barrier and even with that barrier was blaming everyone else instead of looking within right and it was just making that world bigger and bigger and still judging others, being mad at others, and it's their fault, it's all their fault.

Speaker 1:

Now victim consciousness is sneaky because it sounds so real. I mean, I used to be codependent and I have journals of other people's fault like just journals, and it was like I never considered myself someone who did that. And then, looking back, I'm like who, who is this?

Speaker 2:

It was interesting because, um, I feel like those are the things that they should teach at school, in essence. So I didn't know that I was in it, I didn't know that that was my fault. Everything that was happening in my life it was because of my way of thinking, my perspective and all that. And I was going through a lot of different situations, very painful situations, so many that they accumulated, accumulated so many, that finally, one triggered me the most, and it was like when I moved to Oregon and I was like it was a person that I felt like again blaming him. You hurt me so much, why can't you love me? I know I'm a good person, blah blah, blah blah, but then, okay, we'll stay there for a second.

Speaker 1:

yes, yes, I've heard myself and my clients say that like so many times, because I do a lot of work with people around heartbreak and um that, that sentence why couldn't you love me? What made you open yourself up to that like conversation with yourself? And it was that the like moment you decided to look inside? Or was it cause that's a powerful statement that I think a lot of people with you know anxious attachment styles or you know those kind of like other types of attachment styles that are not aligned with secure attachment styles. I don't know how much you know about that, but those are sentence that runs around in our head a lot.

Speaker 2:

A lot, but it wasn't again. It was because of this guy. I was so attached to this person and I felt like I gave everything of me my home, money, car, everything hoping that by being that way, that person would love me. But after a year of doing all that, I asked this person hey, so how do you feel about me? And their answer was like oh no, it's like what the heck like, after everything I've been giving and done, it's like so it hurts so much.

Speaker 2:

But at the same time, it was at that moment that I had two voices, very loud one and you know, when you have the two angels right here, one is the angel and demon, not two angels. I'm familiar, yeah. But this was like oh, come on, well, you're having fun with it, just stay, At least you have someone. I mean, you don't have to be loved, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, but I will feel the pain and I will look for him. And the fear factor is like oh, okay, fine, I want to stay with this person, no matter what.

Speaker 2:

But the other voice, which I knew, was my heart. Literally my heart was like you know, this is not right for you. You know, this is not the person for you. You know you're not happy, but it was so strong that it would give me the strength to break it up. Okay, I'm done. Yeah, I know my power.

Speaker 2:

But then this voice got louder too, no, but look at you. And I did break up with him like six times and until the sixth time he was annoyed by it and blocked me on everything and that caused so much pain, like extreme pain. Those two voices kind of got quiet and it just brought me back to me, in a sense, the pain that I was feeling. But I remember sitting um by myself just thinking about that, feeling the pain. But also, again, that question is like what, what is it that I need to do or be in order to be loved? And there was no answer. But then then I was like, wait a minute, that person did the same, that person did this. That person did this that person. All my relations have been the same and if they all have been the same, they were different people, they were not all the same, but they have the same factor. That was me, it's like.

Speaker 1:

Oh, so it's's me, it has to be me I love that because we do something in um coaching and I don't know what your process is, but it's called the unconscious pattern and it's like you can look at any failures in your life and there's a pattern or a program that's the same in all of them and it doesn't matter if it's like across relationships or money or success. There's an unconscious pattern that like weaves into all of them yeah, it's very interesting how we are not aware.

Speaker 2:

Again, those are the things that they should teach us in life, you know, I agree. So I remember sitting there and it was like, okay, wait a minute, wait a minute. So if it's me, how would I feel? Let's pretend that I'm sitting in front of myself. How would I feel about myself? And I was like, holy moly, I hate looking at myself in the mirror. I look down. I don't talk with people. I've always put in a barrier. It's like I don't love myself, and if I don't love myself, how do I expect anyone else to love me? It's like, oh my God. It's like we know those things but at the same time, we don't really grasp them. I guess.

Speaker 1:

It's interesting because I think there's a huge movement for self love.

Speaker 2:

But I don't think people understand it.

Speaker 1:

I don't think they really understand what the journey looks like. It is a hero's journey, that process of loving yourself, and that is. It is an interesting one, not one I was expecting to go on, but yeah it's, it's a brave journey.

Speaker 2:

It is because once I had that realization, I broke into tears. It was even more painful to realize that all this time I was expecting someone to do something for me and to show me that love, that acceptance. That's why I was giving so much to hope for something, and I never got anything. Or maybe I got it, but I was so close off that I wouldn't even see it, I wouldn't even notice it, which that's true too. So I was crying now because it was a huge realization, but also okay, what do I do now? How do I love myself? What does that look like? We're not here to there now, you know.

Speaker 1:

How did you? What was the, what was the process that you followed?

Speaker 2:

so I remember someone says, like I have, if I could look at something beautiful about myself and little by little will start believing it, then at some point I will see it. So since I hated looking at myself in the mirror, um, I will go. I decided I made it a purpose to find or see something beautiful in me, whatever it was. So I will go to the bathroom and I looked at my eyes and the light was reflecting on my eyes so they look bright and I believed it. I could see that like, oh, my eyes are bright, I mean, that's it. I would not look at myself for the entire day in the mirror so I wouldn't go oh my god, but look at me, how ugly. Like all that shattering that we do to ourselves, especially we women. But I discovered men do that too a lot they don't they do for that same reason.

Speaker 2:

Um, so I decided to do that, but I was consistent. I know that now, uh, repetition is important. Consistent every day, you know day. So every day I was doing the same oh, my eyes are right. Oh, my eyes are right, and I could see it Again. It was easy to believe, but I knew it was the light, not me. But it was another two weeks that I got up, I went to the bathroom and I was just going to do the same routine. But when I looked at myself in the mirror for first time, I saw who I really was my, my, my skin was shining and my cheeks were kind of pinkish and my eyes were brighter, not because of the lights, even though the light was still there, but with just a natural brightness in them. And I cried again because I was like I was so beautiful, yeah, no, that's beautiful.

Speaker 1:

I'm so glad you said that because you are beautiful and it's um, you know it's powerful to say it out loud because it takes time to say it from a place of genuine authenticity like the. The holistic beauty is is what, you know, I think about when I think about beauty.

Speaker 2:

Yes, it is. It comes from within. It is true that when they tell you, go within, go within, there's a thing within that you can feel. You can really feel it, and it's so powerful that it just radiates out, you know. Again, going back to the importance of if you want to change the world here, like literally right here.

Speaker 1:

Oh my gosh, isn't that the truth?

Speaker 2:

yes, yes. And it was so powerful because, again, I cried and I could see it. It's like I couldn't believe at the same time that it was that easy. It's like it is easy like, but it wasn't easy.

Speaker 1:

You had to do it for two weeks and like, look at yourself, like and run away, so it wasn't easy once you get there, it's like no freaking way.

Speaker 2:

Oh, the power is in my hand, it's in me. So I said it that every time I took showers or putting lotion on me, I was like I love you, like I literally feel I love you, love you, love you. And every time, uh, I remember the first time I went outside I had to go to a class and freaking people were stopping me on the streets like I'm sorry, I don't want to scare you, but it's like I just had to tell you you have a glow around you it's true, because it's all energy and like when you have a negative thought loop in your head, you're creating a negative field around you and it almost like attracts more negativity.

Speaker 1:

And then you start like loving who you are and accepting it and just shining light and love. Wherever you go, people do stop you. They're like you look different, did something happen and it's like, yeah, I decided to love myself a little bit, like I mean, it's contagious.

Speaker 2:

It is, it is so it was. It was very powerful, very beautiful for me to do that. I put a mirror at the entrance on my, on my um apartment at that time and every time I will go out on it, it's like but this time I will feel it. It hasn't stopped, it hasn't stopped. But once I shifted that, not only I looked different, I felt different, I thought different, you know, and once I did that, my whole reality changed. People that I was encountering or meeting situations, everything was just like skyrocketing, pretty much Like everything is getting better and better and better and better and better. It's like, wow, this is like so powerful. And to me, again, the importance of helping people to go back to their hearts, to loving themselves. Yeah, and it's a cool book. I don't remember now I should have looked at them Love yourself like your life, life Depending On it. That's the title of the book.

Speaker 1:

Oh, cool, nice. Okay, I'll find it and put a link in the show notes.

Speaker 2:

This is such a again after that experience. I'm not the only one. We all have gone through that and we know within us that if we don't love ourselves, life is not that easy.

Speaker 1:

It's not. It's not easy because it's full of self-abuse and um cruelty like and I I would say the cruelty I've bestowed upon myself was far worse than any of the abuse I ever endured, and that was um a hard, a harder thing to shift because it was inside of my own head. But that, I would say, is a really powerful journey. That like self-abuser part that they don't even know it's there because it's so just in the background of their mind all of the time, stopping them from seeing their unique genius.

Speaker 2:

Exactly. But that's when I also started loving and appreciating life and every situation that crosses my path. Because then I know now clearly and it's so powerful to remember this that everything is really truly a reflection of how I'm doing with myself. Because when I wasn't doing it myself, I had people telling me on my face, you're ugly, I don't want to be with you, blah, blah, blah. But it's because they were telling me how I was looking at myself, you know.

Speaker 1:

Are you saying that was when you were dating? Yeah, I love that perspective. That was what I experienced dating. People would literally tell me you're so hideous, why would I go out with you? And I mean to be fair, I felt gross. So I could see that I was exuding that and then would attract people who proved it true, Exactly. So it was really interesting the inner work I had to do to not attract that anymore.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, which is the part that we forget that it's important to have that reflection so we know how we're doing with ourselves, because if I don't have that reflection, I don't know how I'm doing with myself. But again, the part that we forget, that is our reflection. It's not that that person really truly believes that I'm ugly and that's it. That's a fact. You're ugly. No, it's the fact that it's a reflection of how I'm looking at myself and that reflection is literally telling me on my face, physically you're ugly, but it's because I believe that I'm the only one who believes that and if I don't, you know, just on the topic of beauty, I think that I have met some of the most beautiful people who were so I don't want to say ugly inside, but just cruel and not kind.

Speaker 1:

And then when you get to know them at the essence of how they choose to show up in the world, you're like, wow, you're not beautiful. The way that I respect beauty Because I respect beauty in a whole new way heading into 50 than I did heading into my 20s, I don't know, but I see it very different- yes, and once you start appreciating loving yourself so much, you you also.

Speaker 2:

your intuition somehow is connected to it too, because then you love some yourself so much you can see beyond what is, in a sense, that you feel. Other people's energies and true colors, like people like to say, is it a true color, the vibe.

Speaker 1:

You get the vibe right Like. I'm like like, now that I'm in like really an intuition, um, and just let it kind of guide my life, I'm like, no, I don't like your vibe, I don't want to be around you. I don't care who you are like. If I don't like your vibe, I'm like it's. It's, that is, energetic alignment for me is almost everything now, so it's different, like than living other way. I don't know, I can't imagine going back.

Speaker 2:

I think, because we have come to understand the power of that love towards ourselves, that anything that doesn't reflect that or tries to reflect that we know is not true, so it's not. It's just almost even impossible to be around that people Not that they are horrible in my perspective. It's just that they don't reflect who I am anymore, yeah, and that they're going through a lot, and I learned how to see the beauty thanks to that loving myself. I learned how to love everything that crosses my path, or everything in general. The same reason, I guess because my intuition heightened so much and I was able to now open the door of connecting with spirits, feeling automatic, writing just a whole new door opened.

Speaker 1:

Oh, I love it. So let me ask you a little bit about that, because I would say my personal journey with intuition was also going through that dark night of the soul, so to speak, and I realized how disconnected I was from intuition and like the like who I really am, outside of the human meat suit, but like my soul, right, like who I am. And that has been the journey since COVID for me was awakening to my intuition. And I talked to a lot of other women who are like oh, I'm curious about intuition but I don't know what that means, and I'm like, oh my gosh, it's a journey depending on how much you don't really like yourself, but like, but intuitive living is like magical and beautiful. And can you share a little bit about, maybe, some of what your process is with intuition? Or did you have a great teacher that you came across that you really valued, who helped you understand intuition?

Speaker 2:

It was the spirits themselves. They were the ones that taught me so much about life, uh, but it was because, since I was very little, we all go through this situation. When we're little and our mind is not so closed up with blah, blah, blah kind of thing, uh, we're pure. The spirit doesn't? Um, we can see here, have experiences that don't have any explanation, but it's the adults that tells us oh, that's crazy, forget about that, and life itself removes us from that, for who we from, who we really are.

Speaker 2:

So when I was little, I will feel presences, I will feel touch, actual touch, when I was by myself, and it was the scariest thing. But I had a lot of sleep paralysis too. But it wasn't until I came here to Oregon first again and loved myself so much that I started noticing the pattern from when I was little coming back again. So that voice that I would hear when I was little, it was stronger. That we call intuition, yeah, and so I started being curious about it.

Speaker 2:

So I started reading about um, uh, automatic writing, um, ouija, words, uh, spirits and out-of-body experiences, sleep paralysis because I wanted to understand what I was going through when I was little. Yeah, one that it put in all my attention on it. You know what happens when you put your attention on something. It's just it's everywhere. It's actually not everywhere, yeah, so the spirits is like they were all rushing in and they were just talking to me constantly and my dreams waking me up in the middle of the night. It's just a lot of a lot of uh noise. There's like kind of exam, it's like oh, finally you're back, let's talk about this.

Speaker 2:

Finally, you're back. Let's talk about this. Let's talk about that. Let's talk about this. Let's talk about that. How about?

Speaker 1:

this I can relate. I teach how to work with spirits and like it's noisy sometimes. Sometimes I'm like get out, just all of you leave. I need a moment. I'm going to take a shower without you here.

Speaker 2:

Exactly and, just like you said, you have a lot of little notebooks with writing. You know the people or the things that you were mentioning earlier. Tons of little notes, little notebooks with their messages, a lot of automatic writings. But they were constantly reminded of the most powerful tool that we have in life and the only thing that is truly real is love, that simple love. So that's why it makes sense that loving yourself first.

Speaker 1:

It opens up all these things. So true, and I would say most of the people who I've worked with, they have the definition of love and fear is backwards for them. And that's like the first thing we have to do is establish, like, what is love and fear is backwards for them. And that's like the first thing we have to do is establish like what is love and what is fear, because they get especially if you grew up in an abusive home like they get crossed and so you think love is fear and fear is love. And the mingling of that lie is like for me was the first step and that was probably the hardest because it was like it was all lies Love isn't anything. The hardest because it was like it was all lies love isn't anything.

Speaker 2:

What I thought it was like that yeah, and it's interesting because, again, even my daughter she had a not fun experience. That's why I tried to how to. That's why, again, going back to this, I tried to pay attention to the words that I'm using, because it's part of it as well. So my daughter didn't have a uh kind of a traumatic experience for her, for sure, but even though it was traumatic, this person was molding her to believe that that was love yeah, and they waited, oh, when she was small she was like from the age of three to the age of seven.

Speaker 2:

There's like hurting her which I didn't know, but it was her but always making sure that she knew that was love.

Speaker 1:

No, I grew up with abuse, so it's hard because the amount of grooming that goes into children and then untangling it later is hard, and that's kind of why I started doing what I do, because I was like there's got to be a faster way to get people to rewire their unconscious mind, get people to rewire their unconscious mind because it's um, so the amount of control that's exuded over children who who go through that, and the pain across the entire web of family is unbelievable and, um, that's part of my mission is to stop that. So, um, but yeah, that's powerful and I'm sorry you guys went through that, you ladies went through that.

Speaker 2:

That's hard yeah, it's just, but again it's. I learned with the help again with this place like there's just experiences and but that the experiences that are the ones that are not so easy are the ones that are the most powerful ones, as crazy as it might sound, because it's thanks to all those experiences the most painful ones for me and even my daughter were the ones that made us realize something even greater. Yeah, we opened even a bigger door. Yeah, it's true, and I know it's not easy when you're going through those experiences, but I learned to that. Now, let's put it this way Now, when I'm going through an experience where it's not easy at all and I, I cry, I can feel the the all of the emotions. Right, I'm still telling myself this too is for a good reason, because I know it is for a good reason. And if we think about it, it's like if we uh, listen to other people, or how many times you personally have said like I'm so glad that that person broke up with me, because look where I am right now.

Speaker 2:

I wouldn't have met this. I'm so glad that I was fired of that job because look where I am right now. I'm doing so much better. But we usually wait one year, five years, 10 years to say that and to experience that, and because of that same experience then I'm like no, I'm going to choose to say now I'm crying and I'm feeling the pain.

Speaker 1:

I can't believe I'm crying, but I know it's for a good reason. I know it's for a good reason. I know it's for a good reason, I know.

Speaker 2:

I just know it's for a good reason. It has to be for a good reason, there's nothing else. And I was still bawling, feeling the pain, and, sure enough, it's like the next day. That reason is there.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I would say that's the powerful, I think, thing of having experience in life is that, like when it feels like things are falling apart. Sometimes it's everything falling together and it's like everything that you've been working towards or manifesting or asking for, and it could have been a younger version of you. It's like finally manifesting and it feels like a death because like part of you needs to evolve and so you know the old wound has to to die.

Speaker 2:

So, yeah, and that's why it hurts, because it's like we're so used to that, we're so comfortable with it. It becomes us. You know. It's like yeah, but but yeah again. When you start loving yourself and I guess maybe that's part of the fear too, because when you start loving yourself, the heck out of you like literally people will disappear people all the time.

Speaker 1:

I'm like, if you have self-worth, know your values and you have boundaries, abusive people are going to walk right by you because you're not appealing to them, period. They're just not. They're not interested in you. So that's, that's how we stop abuse. You know, that's really how you start and that's how you stop it.

Speaker 2:

You're so comfortable with it, You're so used to it it's your only. That has been your life for so long that letting go of that is scary go of.

Speaker 1:

That is scary and so scary. It's like jumping out of an airplane without a parachute and like some invisible boy voice saying, hey, it's brighter down here, you'll be fine jump.

Speaker 2:

You're like floating going literally yeah, you couldn't have said it better, but it's literally so. But but what I tell people when that happens is like, look, we have choices. It's still our choice to go there or not go there. At the end we're going to be at the same place, so don't worry about it, it's just an experience. But the way I see it is like there is an easy way to do things and an easier way to do things. So if you choose the easy path, at the beginning it's easy, but in the long run it's really not that easy, right? But if you choose the path, it's like it's not gonna be easy at the beginning, but in the long run, oh my god, it's so worth it and it's so easy and it's so much fun and it's just like oh, that is what my spirit team tells me all the time.

Speaker 1:

They're like don't you remember when things were bad? And I'm like it feels like that now. They're like no, you used to be so mean to yourself. Now you've got nice voices in your head and I'm like that's true actually. So tell me how you bring this gift into the world. Tell me a little bit about your business and like where people can find you.

Speaker 2:

Thank you. Well, once everything, I saw that the power was in my hands. I just wanted to share that power with the entire world. So that's why I started reading, experimenting on everything. That's why I started reading, experimenting on everything, and I discovered the soundbite, the vibration, tuning forks and, again, connecting with your heart. Hard math. There's so many tools and all of them work. All of them work. Just have to choose one and then dedicate your time in life to that and it will work. So, but I with soundbite.

Speaker 2:

What I like about soundbar is that it's pure vibration, frequency, perfect vibration, perfect frequency. More balance, more attune, and putting that in someone's body by law, it will change that frequency of the body, it will attune it, it will align it. You don't have any other option. You know you'll just do it. Um, and I like it because people don't have to really believe in it, you don't have to think too much about it, you don't have to do anything other. Okay, relax and let this sound affect you in a molecular level, and then the body itself, as smart as and beautiful as it is and it loves us so much that it will start doing its thing and it will help you bring emotions out or do what you're supposed to be doing at this moment, um yeah, I'm a big believer in sound baths.

Speaker 1:

I um, I always play sound frequencies in my clinic. I'm always clearing energy, but I like just leave the sound healing on in the background all of the time. It's like, oh, it's like a helper that's just taking care of all the denseness, I don't have to think about it yes, yeah, you don't have to worry about I think about it or nothing.

Speaker 2:

It's just let it be and then it does its thing. So that's why I love it. And, um, um, well, I have my website balancing a loving life and all different. There's tons of information there, for sure, even stories of more magic, because, again, once you start loving yourself, the magic starts and it seems like the more you love yourself, it continues and it's just showering on opportunity. Magic, magic, magic, magic, magic.

Speaker 1:

I couldn't agree more. I think that, like, more people need magic back in their lives and the lack of self-love is the thing that, like, really kills it. So which you know, if we're all like evolving into a new state of consciousness and oneness with one another, then loving yourself as part of that collective is part of it, because you can't expect someone else to love you enough to ever feel valid of it, and it has to come from within first.

Speaker 2:

It doesn't work and that's why I didn't have friends that do everything possible to please and make other people happy but they get frustrated because it doesn't work. They will only just show that, they will only reflect the frustration that you have, that they are not happy, but they can never be happy because you're another one happy.

Speaker 1:

I like I talked about this with a lot of people about how those unconscious, codependent strategies of if I make you happy enough, I'll finally feel worthy those are very destructive in all relationships, especially the relationship that you have with your intuition, because it's like I will only do this because I'm looking for something in return. People are, they know that they can feel that unconscious agenda and it it's not. It's not unconditional love, exactly. Yeah, you can feel the difference.

Speaker 2:

There's a big difference and when I started the conversation that in the past I will give to get something in return Right. But now that I know it's within me and I can give and I give myself everything that I desire and deserve and all that and it comes to me. If I love myself, I give so much more, like I do a lot more, but I don't need you to tell me anything or do anything. It just really comes from my heart. It makes me happy and if you want to hate me after that, okay, that's your path. I'm still happy that I did it, you know, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's awesome.

Speaker 1:

I love that. Okay, I'm going to put your links down below in the show notes and that way they can find you. If anyone is interested in working with you, really quickly just tell me what a session with you looks like like in like a quick, the quick and dirty version.

Speaker 2:

Okay, that's right, I will ask to send an intention to put it out there. And then you come to me, we work with the tuning forks and singing balls all around your uh body and your energy field, and then whatever happens will happen, and but usually a lot of people, after feeling what they need to feel, the intention actually comes to them just like that too nice, I love that.

Speaker 1:

So you're basically waking them up to their own genius.

Speaker 2:

Yes, going back to themselves.

Speaker 1:

Excellent, I love it. All right. So, judith, I just really want to thank you for coming on today, and I appreciate it. I'm going to put a link to your website If you could remind me what it is, just in case someone's listening and they want to jot it down.

Speaker 2:

Yes, balancing at lovinglifecom.

Speaker 1:

Nice, perfect. And Judith, are you in Tigard, Portland? Where is your office located or do you travel?

Speaker 2:

Downtown Portland and I do group sessions and I travel too. It's easy, excellent.

Speaker 1:

Okay, do you do online visits as well, or is it mostly in person?

Speaker 2:

I haven't done online it's mostly in person. I feel like it's more powerful and you can connect with it, with a person. So.

Speaker 1:

Yes, in the world of Zoom, a lot of people are doing interesting things on Zoom, I mean. So it's. It was just I was just curious, so it's in person. That's excellent. I'm going to go ahead and put a link to your website and I just really want to thank you for taking the time to come on today and sharing your beautiful story. I really love capturing the essence of transformation for people and showing them that it's very possible, and hearing other people's journeys and stories about how they did it I think really inspires people to go and look at their own journey of transformation and also not to be so afraid of intuition. I mean, some people are very afraid of their own intuition and gifts and I think that is like midlife, when it's the dark night of the soul, where it's like, no, your intuition is coming back. It's not anxiety or menopause, it's like this is your intuition trying to break through. So that's fine.

Speaker 2:

I know. Thank you for having me over. I love this. I love this. It was fun. We should do it again.

Speaker 1:

Definitely. Thank you so much, and thank you to all of my listeners for tuning in today, and I hope you check out Judith's work. She's a very amazing healer and a very kind and lovely human being. So have a wonderful day and I will talk to you next time.

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