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What if your most painful life experiences were actually invitations to remember who you truly are? Judith Cunningham's journey from deep suffering to unexplainable joy reveals how changing our perspective transforms everything.
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Welcome to the Selma Flow podcast. My name is Tabitha McDonald, I am your host and an intuitive coach and a healer, and today I have the absolute honor of sitting down with a woman whose words feel like a soft homecoming for the soul. Judith Cunningham, author of Life, is my PhD. This isn't just a book, it is a sacred invitation to remember who you are. Judith and I met in a BNI group, which is a networking group, and she is also a heart math practitioner is that correct? And a sound healer, and I'm sure she has a lot of other things that she does. But that's going to be the short intro. So, judith, welcome. I'm very excited to share information about your new book. Tell me a little bit about your book, like tell me about the soul of it.
Speaker 2:Well, you know, I never thought I was gonna write my life pretty much and this is not even my whole life, parts of it, the most magical ones, the healing ones and the powerful ones that we'll go through Something that really means that is saying that it was time to share it with the world, because that's how we help each other, sharing our stories, our past, our pains, our struggles, our everything that we go through, because we're not the only ones going through the same, uh situations. More people are going through this sometimes, or a lot of times, the exact same situations and and allowing them to sit there for a second because I think that's really powerful.
Speaker 1:Because, um, it's not. I'll just say from my own experience it's not easy to tell our stories, especially the painful ones. It's like and I think that you're right we absolutely 100% heal through storytelling I'm a firm believer in that especially through other people sharing their stories.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Let me ask what gave you the courage to start sharing your story, because that's a big, that's a big vulnerable thing to do.
Speaker 2:Yes, I guess because my life changed so drastically and I've been able to feel extreme joy, extreme love, unexplainable joy, unexplainable love, and that is not easy to express with words, and I just wanted people to feel what I have felt. And I just wanted people to feel what I have felt and I know that I did it through my life experiences, especially the most painful ones that this came out of that and I tried the first thing that I tried to do is just talking about it, helping people through it, but it wasn't. It felt like it wasn't enough. There was more to say and more to explain. So I thought that like, ok, the book will explain, put everything into a different perspective and it will be all in one place, Nice.
Speaker 1:How did you? Well, I kind of want to ask a little bit about logistics, because I think a lot of people are being asked to write a book. I know I'm I'm in the process of writing a book and like it's kind of a big undertaking, how did you get started and like, how did you create it? Like, how did you get? Tell me a little bit about your process.
Speaker 2:It's interesting because it's been for years. Actually. I will buy a little notebook and start Okay, this is it. I'm going to start writing my book, my story, and I will write one story and then it will put aside and nothing will happen. And I have tons of little notebooks with one story in there and it was not never finished. But I don't know why, something within me that felt like I was even more ready to do so. And I remember going to Barnes and Nobles and it was funny, you know, with my ex-boyfriend and I saw a notebook but it was so beautiful I should have had it here. It was so beautiful, perfect, it had a tree, but with a heart and the texture of it. It's like that's it, that's what I'm going to write my book. I don't know, I felt it and it's like, okay, I'm going to get it. I know I can feel it and I remember grabbing it, I just holding it, like so dearly like this is it, this is it.
Speaker 2:And yeah, I started writing on it and it never stopped my hand. It was interesting how my hand just kept going, kept going, except with some stories that I needed to stop, feel them, leave that emotion again and then give myself some space and then, once I did it, my hand again will start like go, go, go, go go. It was interesting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I call that channeled writing, because you're like there's a version of you who already wrote it and so when you get out of your head you can just channel write the book because it's already written somewhere in the quantum field, right? And it connects in with that version of you and she's like I've got it, I already wrote it. Just let me take over your hand for a second.
Speaker 2:Literally. It was something that I cannot explain either, because my hand was just going going. My memories, my vision even was there. I was, my hand was just going going. I have my memories, my, my vision even was there, like I was living the whole thing. But it was going really fast again, except when there was something that was that needed to be looked at deeply, that my hand will stop moving, like it was, not that it was. It will literally will not move and all the images were in my head and then my emotion will start surfacing. And then I really knew I had to sit with it and it was a very healing, definitely healing process for me, because I didn't know that I still had a lot of emotions deep within me that I had not looked at.
Speaker 1:Yeah, isn't that? The funny thing is, even as like healers or people on the healing journey, we think we're like there, like you've arrived, and then like the universe asks you to do something bigger, and you're like, oh man, there was a whole nother layer to that onion.
Speaker 2:Yes, I didn't know it was there I think we start going deeper and deeper, like we have removed so many, so many layers that something greater has to happen. She's like no, there's still one more right there, just go get it.
Speaker 1:I go through that every morning and I'm like all right, but there's just something else there. So here we go, I'm on it, but yeah, it's, it's just part of the part of the gig, I guess. Um, so I want to hear more about like just kind of like the overarching, like summary of your book. Like if you had a couple of minutes to explain it to someone at Barnes and Noble, where they should buy it, what would you tell them? Oh, that's a good question.
Speaker 2:I cannot well summarize my book. It's interesting because there are so many different stories parts of my life they are little short stories, big stories stories. Parts of my life they are little short stories, big stories. But if I had to summarize it one bit, the best way to do it is like writing all those stories. What I, what I noticed, what I was able to see clearly that with every single part of my life, the reason why this shifted is because I shift my perspective towards the situation and and I saw it with compassion, with love Again, going back to myself, loving myself, seeing the bigger picture of the whole included within myself, being thankful. And once I did all those things together, everything changed.
Speaker 1:Nice.
Speaker 2:I think that that would be the more general aspect of the book, even though there are tons of stories in there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean that's. It's kind of like we're like like that's kind of like the storytelling helps you. You get there and understand it right on like that soul level. Because I think storytelling like goes to the soul, it goes straight to the soul and the soul is like oh, I remember. So like I think that's like the power of storytelling is you're working directly with, like the soul, um, and awakening them, and then like also giving the conscious mind directions. Hey, you can change your perspective, like by changing what you think about this situation. Like you have a choice here and um. There's also ways of healing like writing a book, like you don't even have to publish it, you could just write it. Like you know there's ways of healing like writing a book, like you don't even have to publish it, you could just write it. Like you know there's ways of healing the wounded parts of us that maybe the traditional kind of like health care system doesn't teach you, because it's not their job and they're not like you know, that's not what they were here for.
Speaker 2:So literally, yeah, yeah, definitely, yeah, yeah, definitely. Um, it's a healing process, not only for me, and that's the other thing that I hope for many, many people that are going through heck of a lot, especially nowadays, when we are in this place of we're ready for change, and change is not easy and scary, um, but when we call it the prison of comfort, the reason I comfort I. I like that.
Speaker 1:But once we Go ahead. Oh no, I said change is scary.
Speaker 2:Yes, but once you go through it, it's the most amazing, powerful thing you could ever have done. Just go towards the unknown. Go towards the unknown. It's scary as heck, but it's so freaking worth it. It's so beautiful, it's so powerful and that's where true life is, past that fear yeah, no, I agree.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's um like breathing into the fear and doing things anyways and trusting your higher self like I do a lot of higher self work and um, it's like, it's almost like this higher self comes in and it is the epitome of love. But if you grew up in a fear state, you're like I don't know you and I don't trust you because you're not the definition I have of love. The definition of love is anchored in fear and so I don't understand you. So people reject their higher self because it is pure, just, unconditional love, which most people sadly do not experience.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it's funny enough, because it's thanks to all these experiences that I became love. I mean, I told you guys even being I love you guys in ways that I can I don't have words to express, I just can't feel it and it's thanks to all these experiences. But you're right, it's been interesting that the more love I have, the more people that are not ready to that light. It just scares them away.
Speaker 1:And it's been interesting and I had to love them even more, so you know it's funny because I, I would agree, and actually I'm just more discerning who I give my time to, because now I can see where my time and then my energy is drained when it's fear, love instead of pure love, and I can like I can see it more clearly almost. You know, I don't know if that makes sense, but yes it does. I say we become a little bit more discerning and our higher self gets a little bit more boundary oriented. Where she's like or he, whoever you know is like, comes in and is like nope, that person's not love like. I'm like, almost orically, like shoots them out of your field, like they can't survive around you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's impossible for us to be in the same energy center and it's not like for me and I have told a lot of people. It's like I know that I'm triggering you and I can see that I still love you, but I understand that you don't want me around you, so we'll step back and I will love you even more so, but again, that doesn't mean that we are going to be around each other's energy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think that, like I love what Brene Brown teaches, that love can't survive without boundaries, that real love, authentic love, needs a healthy boundary and self worth to grow and to thrive, and like, boundaries are a part of love.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, and I never had boundaries. I didn't even understand. I heard that word so many times but I never understood what it meant. It will show, I guess, in here too some of that, but it's lately that it's even a deeper. The universe is taking me to a part of even deeper love, which it doesn't make any sense, but it's more of the energetic. I think that I'm being taken to see life now and who would really add energetically wise, where there is more connection with that? Um, it's not.
Speaker 2:It's not easy to uh, not have boundaries, because a lot of people will want to. It doesn't make any sense, and they want you to be on a place of where we have thoughts. You have to do x or y in order for me to accept you, in order for me to see you and respect you, and blah, blah. It's like no, it's not that way. Um, it's really not stepping out of that linear kind of mentality. You have to be X or Y in order to love or be loved, and it's like, no, I'm sorry, I'm not going to do that for you. I love you so much and I mean I had told that to my daughter. It's like I love you so much, but I'm going to stay here where I am and I know that it comes from love and pure understanding and everything. But I'm not going to change in that way that you're asking me to do, because it's impossible. I'll be hurting you and I'm not going to do that. I'm sorry, I'm not.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's interesting because when I was raising my daughter, I was very codependent, and so a lot of our conversations centered around how other people were hurting us. I was like and now when we talk, I'm like she's like why can't we just talk about normal things like we used to? And I'm like oh my God, because I don't have a victim consciousness anymore, I'm so sorry. Like, okay, wait, hold on, let me think about someone who's pissed me off. So anytime someone makes me mad, I'll call her and be like oh my God, this happened. And I'll like really speed it up. She can be like there's my mom. I'm like, okay, I'll be like all right, I've got someone to complain about.
Speaker 2:No, I don't think. Even in my book, uh release, I was telling people. It's like I feel sadness still. I understand it, I'm aware of it and I feel it, but anger, anger is not a part of me the way that it used to be. It's like because I can see beyond what it is and I see more of the beauty and I might feel the pain of it, but not the anger. But I decided to say something funny and I might feel the pain of it, but not the anger. But I decided to say something funny. Except my daughter. She does know how to give. I don't mean sometimes that, but I did it as a funny way. But it's just like we kids you know it's, it's our own kids it's interesting that our relationships are different and the understanding, the feelings are stronger and more beautiful, more powerful. Um, so I always say that, but it's not because she always makes me angry, angry, angry. But uh, uh, they know, they know how to trigger you a little bit easier, you know oh, I color my shadow.
Speaker 1:I'm always like thank you. I didn't know that was. I remember we got in a fight one day and I looked at her and I'm like I yelled at her and I was like, ah, thought that was over.
Speaker 1:And then I went, I'm like I'll be back, and I went and did like two recodes and an emotional release technique and some shadow work and I came downstairs I'm like I'm so sorry, thank you for activating that. I didn't even know it was in there. So I appreciate you so much and she's just like you're so weird. Why can't you? Well, I mean, I could have sat here and blamed you for it, or I could run off and be like thank you for activating my shadow. I'm gonna go work through it while it's up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly exactly that's what I tell people. It's like okay, what you said, what you did hurt me, I'll be right back. Yeah, I have to go and do my work and I do it the meditation on the bathroom, the mirror, everything the whole thing. And it's like, okay, thank you for being who you are, because you allow me to understand something that I have within me and needed to be looked at and healed and everything. So please don't change.
Speaker 1:And you know, what I've recently come to terms with is um, I never allowed myself to be angry, and so I always thought like anger wasn't part of spirituality. And I think I was very wrong because it is, because, like we should be angry when people hurt each other, like we should be angry because that anger can be turned into passion for a purpose right. So, like that anger, injustice, as long as it's not in the hive mentality, can be like a passion to make change in the world.
Speaker 2:So definitely, and what that's one of the things that I uh, I explain here in the book too is like it's not like sadness, angered and hatred and all those emotions are bad. No, they're very powerful and beautiful too. They have their own power. The difference is like how are you gonna feel the anger? How are you going to feel the anger? How are you going to feel the sadness? There is a difference. There is one that will benefit you more than the other one. That's it.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah. I'm always teaching people on like gut issues, issues with your hormonal states. Those are almost always repressed anger. You got to find an outlet for them, your hair falling out, that kind of stuff. It's repressed anger. It's the suppression of your divine feminine. And almost always when I'm working with gut issues, I'm like you've got so much anger in your gut that needs to be out of your gut.
Speaker 2:Yeah, literally, and that's why I love they sound bad and even they harm us, because it allows that emotion that they're not aware of to just come to the surface. But again, even after it comes to the surface, I had to tell them like okay, now it's out, we have to deal with it differently. You cannot feel bad about feeling this way. You cannot hate that you're feeling this way, about feeling this way. You cannot hate that you're feeling this way. You cannot run away because you're feeling this way. We're gonna sit with it, we're gonna allow it to be and see with compassion and with love. I know it's gonna hurt as heck, but if you sit with it and see the beauty behind it, that's when we're taking advantage of that emotion and it can help us again write a book or do whatever we're here to do totally.
Speaker 1:I think that you can use that. That's going to fuel your voice, right. Like, however you want to do it. Like I have a podcast and I write online programs and I do, like you know, I'm not into social media yet. I'm trying, but it's not easy for me. Um, and then, um, you know, like this morning I was actually at the gym and I heard it's time to write your book. And then I was like, oh, that's funny that we're doing this interview today and I knew it was time to start writing my book. And then I was like, okay, I hear you, thank you for the synchronicity, but like, yeah, so like okay, so I have some questions. Like, how do you publish your book?
Speaker 2:How did you get it published? Amazon? I've done it already three times. This is my third time, so he makes it easier. The first time was the book for my ex-boyfriend. I believe in his book so much and uh, uh, it was a long, longer process, for sure, but later on I realized, like the universe is preparing me for what I need to do next. I got the second book. I already knew how to do it at my son, but this one, though, with this book, I want to do so much more. I know where my energy, my heart is telling me, is like. I want to do more of advertisement, talks, talks, because, especially after having the book, the release, the book release party, there were so many people that have so many important, valuable questions and being able to answer them, and this book will answer a lot of them and help me to find that I want to do more of that. I want to reach more people, for sure, so I want to put myself out there even more.
Speaker 2:So that's what we're here talking about what were some of the questions that people had if you, what would be one of the things that you could tell me right now that the book will help me remember, or that I need to work on Nice? Love the heck out of yourself, love the heck out of you. That's when everything changes, and I know it's not easy and it's a process too, but I explained here how I did it. You know how it's possible, you know, and the other book has an exercise. We talked even about the rice exercise. I don't know if we'd last time talk about it too, last podcast that we had.
Speaker 1:Let's just remind anyone who's listening what that is.
Speaker 2:Yes, it's. Dr Imoto did this experiment, or these studies on water for many, many years. But he did this experiment mostly to help us see the importance how we talk to little kids. But nowadays it's not just how you talk to little kids and what happens when you talk to them in a specific way is how, what it happens when we talk to ourselves, and then there's a powerful um, a documentary about it what they flip. Do we know? Do we know, yes, that one explains the whole thing, which it was filmed here in oregon, by the way. Do you know that?
Speaker 1:oh, I didn't I own it. I don't.
Speaker 2:I didn't know that, though that's funny yes, it's filmed here in oregon and it's so powerful because, again, the importance of our words and how we treat ourselves and we're very judgmental, especially with women. Well, I discovered now that men are very more judgmental of themselves too, so much so that they cannot look at themselves in the mirror and say like, hey, I love you, I see you. It's very triggering for a lot of them, but for most of us, you know, know, because we're not trying to do that, we're trying to put others first, and then we do it and then we forget completely about ourselves and then we start rejecting ourselves because then we feel taken advantage of, because people are just reflecting how I'm not putting myself first and loving and giving to myself. So when we give, we feel that taking advantage because they are not appreciative of what we're doing, but they are not appreciative and they cannot be appreciative because it's impossible for them to reflect something that I'm not giving to myself, If that makes any sense.
Speaker 1:What does RICE stand for for people who don't know what that is?
Speaker 2:who don't know what that is. Okay, so the rice exercise is literally you get two jars and then you put half cup of rice on each one of them and then half cup of rice, or, if you want to do a smaller one, quarter cup of rice and quarter cup of water. Same amount of rice, same amount of water on both of them, and then you put them in the same place, like a foot distance of each other, and the only difference between these two bottles is that one is going to have a positive word. It could be anything I love you, sweet, sweet, whatever it is that you feel connected with and the other one is going to have a word that is not so positive like stupid idiot, I hate you, you stink whatever it is that you want. And the like stupid idiot, I hate you, you stink whatever is it that you want.
Speaker 2:And the idea of this exercise, that every day you're supposed to put that emotion of love to one and the emotion of anger or sadness to the other one. But what I discovered? It wasn't. It's not easy to do that, because we don't know how to have or feel emotions for something that doesn't have life. You know, we do it with plants because now we know that they have understanding and feelings and all that.
Speaker 2:But for a rice and a bottle it's not easy to bring the emotion. So the way I did, it is like when I was happy, um, I will have I will grab the bottle with the positive words like, oh my god, thank you, thank you, put it on my heart. The emotion was already there, so I didn't have to worry about the emotion, you know, and then release it and put it down. But when my daughter, um, will say something to me or or something that didn't go well during the day, I will feel the pain or the anger. I will grab the bottle with the not so positive word you're like stupid idiot, I hate you and you just tell it everything, you want everything and anything, because you know that the rice is not gonna respond. So it's easier to let it all out.
Speaker 1:Oh, I love this hack. This is pretty cool.
Speaker 2:It is pretty cool. But the coolest thing too that I noticed is that as soon as I let it all out, I told him everything, I put it down. I didn't have that anger. It felt so peaceful, it felt so good. It's like, huh, okay, I did it. And then even going back to my daughter if it was my daughter it was like nothing had happened, she had never said anything. It was just really freeing. And then the second realization is that after less than a month, you can see what happens to the rice and the water. They change, wow. See what happens to the rice and the water. They change, wow.
Speaker 2:For me personally, the one with the not positive word, it was the rice was white and the um water kind of a little bit cloudy, not so much, but the smell, oh my god, the smell is the worst smell ever. It's the worst, the worst. And, by the way, I have a actually a youtube video about that, explaining how to put it together, how to do it and all that stuff too. Um, and the other one, um, when there is love and you really feel the emotion, the excitement, the thankfulness and all that, the rice and the water turns yellow and the smell, even though a lot of people don't like it smells like fermentation. Okay, let me see if I can show it. I have it here because I still do it until this day, but this is after so much work. This is after three years. Hold on, let me see, you can see it, oh, wow.
Speaker 2:But look at the one for positive love the rice even disintegrated wow, totally different, like a catalyst, and the smell. I love the smell of this one. I love it. It's not like flour fermentation, but flour, and it's like. This means so much to me because it changed with me. I changed completely. Pure love. That's changed.
Speaker 2:You know, yeah, what a is? They're not supposed to work, but I did it differently again, allowing the emotion to be so when I was sad, when I was angry. I will just put it on my heart it's like it's okay to feel this way because, again, it's okay to feel sad, it's okay to feel angry, it's okay to feel these emotions. It's just what doesn't make it so easy, or okay is that how we deal with them? You know, because I have friends and even my daughter that did the exercise when she was younger and she was going through a lot and just having the bottles in her room, both, both, both bottles the rice and the water turned black.
Speaker 2:Wow, let's not talk about this. Mouth is the worst mal ever. Uh, so when a lot of people have a lot of anger and then just the presence being around the bottle, it will turn. It will show where you are with yourself. So again, it was a realization that it shows you again where you are and how you're doing with yourself, not for you to feel bad or anything like that, but to be more conscious of be aware yeah, make you aware.
Speaker 1:Awareness is like is the purveyor of disease. I mean, it's like when we're unaware of it and we pretend like everything's fine, but life is actually not fine, then that's actually doing more harm than good. So yeah, exactly. Awareness is the most powerful tool that we can start with. I love having that like visual aid.
Speaker 2:I know, right, that's. I love this one because you allow me to see clearly. And then again, instead of grabbing when I was sad or angry, instead of just saying, stupid, idiot, I hate you, blah, blah, blah, blah, which I want people to do it to start with. But then I was just like again, it's okay to feel this way, it's okay to feel angry, because it does hurt, you know, know, it frustrates me. It's okay to feel this way, it's okay to believe, and I made it like a mantra, mantra, mantra, and I was feeling the anger, but allowing it to be, it fermented too. It smells like fermentation. So I'm using it now towards my advantage, not towards my disadvantage. Nice, that's awesome. So it works too. So, um, and I have, I love having those again. Those, those are three years of emotions in there.
Speaker 1:I love it. I love all that I do. Neurographic, where I pull it all up every morning because I had to learn how to feel negative feelings, because I suppressed everything. So, like I was, I'm a seven on the Enneagram I don't know if you follow the Enneagram, but it's one of the things they teach and I'm a seven, which means like there's no painful emotions, and so I had to learn to like every morning I'm like no, I have a date with myself every morning all the negative emotions. I do the release on them and then I go about my day and that way they are not activated by other people, because they will be activated by other people if you don't do it yourself. And that's just the truth of it. Exactly.
Speaker 2:I don't like other people taking my power. Exactly exactly that's how it is. It's like doing it in a healthier, more beneficial way. Then you will feel like you could regain your power and, no matter what other people say or do, they can never take it away from you. You're not even giving it away you. You give it away if you want to. But this you still have control is when people take it from you and you allow them to take it away from you and the way they do it is like they make you more angry, arguing, fighting and being upset for what they did or didn't do or didn't say. It just giving them the power, and that's why you feel the way you feel.
Speaker 1:Yeah the like. The thing I've learned is that the second, I feel confused. When I'm speaking to somebody, I stopped talking to them and I go inside and I'm like, why do I feel confused right now? And then I'll be like, okay, are they trying to manipulate me or are they triggering an old part or are they like what's happening? And then I'll just kind of put my invisible, like my cloak up, my energy cloak, and then I'm like and I'll just listen to what they're saying and just kind of observe before I react, and before I used to be very reactive where I'd be like you're like getting fights, you know, and I'm not like an angry person, not like fighting, but like you know, relationships especially.
Speaker 1:I would just react and then see the pleasure on their face that they just won and I was like, yeah, yeah yes, I tell people.
Speaker 2:It's like when someone is triggered by what I say and they start just going off on me, like yesterday that text message, um, I had to go back. I go inside me right away, especially if I feel something. It's like, oh, that I felt, I felt that so they could still be blah, blah, blah. I'm already inside. It's like, oh, where's that coming from? What is it that I need to heal? And they're still blah, blah, blah. But I'm still right here and I'm just doing the work, asking questions, understanding, like really going deep within me.
Speaker 2:By the time, after a few minutes I start, my body starts relaxing, the feeling is going away. I'm feeling, you know, the understanding is greater. That's when I see the beauty of it, the appreciation for the other person still being blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, right here on the other side. But once I'm like I did the process, the work, I come out of it and that person either storms out of the room because I didn't engage with that by kind of thing, or two, it just changes right in front of you, like, oh, these girls are good, let's go on to this. Okay, let's go to this, and it's all um, again empowering, and that's how I helped them, you know, instead of um arguing back yeah, I mean, I was just watching this great youtube video.
Speaker 1:It was on youtube instagram video and they did an experiment um to like combat bullying. And the more defensive the person who was getting bullied got, the more power the bully took. And as soon defensive the person who was getting bullied got, the more power the bully took. And as soon as the person switched, so then they switched and the guy went like yeah, you're right, and they didn't argue it literally deflated the bully. They had no power. And I was like we think that that's powerless and I'm like, actually, that's powerful. It's just like maybe you're right. Yes, yes, they can't say anything, like they can't do anything. It's just like you've just literally taken all of their power.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it's not about controlling, it's not about diminishing. For me is, again, that's how I help you, because I love you, you know, and and and feeding into that anger. I know that it will not help me, it will not help you will not help anyone, so I'm not going to go there. I'm sorry. I'd rather step back and step away from you and give you your space because I know that that's what you need and then allow you to be, you know, because where you are is where you're supposed to be. It's not bad, or?
Speaker 1:anything like that.
Speaker 2:It's just, it might be hurting you, but then you will be ready to come out of that whenever you're ready.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so it's only last 90 seconds. It's what we feed them that makes them big. So if you have something in there feeding that emotion that's harming you, then then that's like, I think, your responsibility to kind of like get curious about the emotion and go. I don't want to store this in here for later. So let me see if I can flip it, because it's just a chemical reaction, like it literally is, and once you can observe it, you can come back into the emotion with less intensity and decide how you want to like transform it.
Speaker 2:Yes, always, always, always, always. So, again, again. All that stuff is yet in the book, how I deal with a lot of the situations that will help me transform them or grow from a? Um, help me be who I am right now, again, which I consider myself love, you know, yeah, it's one of the most powerful tools, is the greatest tool we have is the is the one thing that is actual, real. You know love and we love. You deserve anyone and everyone.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I think that like it's funny, because I think the movement came in the 60s but they did it all wrong because they wanted to do it through psychedelics and I'm like that's not how you get to love. You get to love through your heart, not through a drug, but and so it's just's funny, like you know, watching the resurgence of that, like I like have a course in miracles or I follow, like Marianne Williamson and people who are teaching like it's time to come back to love. And Bruce Lipton, I met him once and and he oh, you did.
Speaker 1:Oh my god, yeah, I met him at this conference in Florida, um, and he, he walks up to me and he goes my love, you need to speak from your heart and not your slides. The world needs you to do it. You came here to do and I was like I think he's channeling from God, right?
Speaker 1:now and I'm like I know I've been ignoring you and then, like it just set my life on this trajectory of starting a podcast and doing things that I did not want to do and my like. I was like but when, like Bruce Lipton looks at you through the mouth of God and he's like, hey, this is what you came here to do, you need to get on it, I was like, okay, message received.
Speaker 2:Awesome. Yeah, that's one of the guys that I love listening to and it's funny that a lot of people get triggered by him. It's like especially during COVID, because she was talking a lot and explaining and all that, a lot of people was like, oh, that stupid guy is scary, that guy shouldn't do this, that guy should just like like you're missing the message, like okay, I mean, especially during COVID, like everything was through a lens of fear and control, and so, hearing somebody speak about love, you couldn't hear it, because the the glasses that were put over most people's eyes were fear and control.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you literally couldn't hear those literally, literally, and you could feel it and everything. So it was an easy time. So I remember my family too will be mad at me and everything because I wasn't reacting towards what was happening, it's like, but it's not for us to react, it's giving us an opportunity, you know. Okay, I'm just gonna go ahead and take that opportunity, and that's where the first book came out. You know, the uh, power thesaurus, positive vocabulary through covid and all that because, again, seeing it as an opportunity, making a change, yeah, yeah, I think that's awesome.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I love Bruce. I always call him Bruce. I love Bruce, I know, I know his conferences and I'm just really grateful that I got to meet him and then, oh, that's so cool and that he spoke the way he did to you.
Speaker 1:Oh, I was just like, okay, I'm listening. And then it was just funny because I was supposed to meet him the first conference that I went to and then somebody needed, like they were having really bad neck pain, so I missed my like opportunity to meet him because I went and helped them instead. And I mean, I don't regret it, it was who I am. And then when I had the opportunity to go see him at this four-day conference with Michael Beckwith for the Marriage of Spirituality and Science and it was so cool to see both of them Bruce was supposed to be representing science, but he speaks both languages so fluently and he doesn't see the difference between them.
Speaker 1:And like I find I'm the same way, I'm like I don't, they're the same language, they're just. I mean, they're the same meaning, it's just different language. And so I kept having all these cool synchronicities. Like I met the conference organizer because he was having hip pain in the elevator and I'm like I could fix that for you, you. And then like so. Then he's like, oh, my god, you're amazing, come in, you're gonna get an invitation to like the private party and you can come back and have dinner with like Bruce and Michael and like, um, and it was so cool and I was like, oh, that was like one of those things where you know without a shadow of doubt that you are like in divine alignment with your higher calling, where the universe is like.
Speaker 2:Let me show you how magical your path is yeah, yeah, and I think that that's the key too is like we all have that guidance, all of us, but we're not aware of it, uh, because we're leading too much in our heads our fear and all that stuff, but we're just allowing things to be and just being present.
Speaker 2:That's when you see all the synchronicities and the way I like to put it is like it's like a big puzzle and then where each piece had to be in a specific place to make the picture beautiful. But how in this world, we are all a piece of a puzzle that is put in a specific place at a specific time, or at the right time for you to obtain. What is it that you're ready to obtain? And we're all doing that consciously or unconsciously, and I've been able to explain it here. It's like I was able to step back and see all those movements of specific people and moving at a specific place at a specific time, just to give me what I had just asked for. It's like what is that how it works?
Speaker 1:call it the divine chess game. Yeah. I like that yeah we don't always know the end game, but we have to trust that our higher self knows the end game and is guiding us there. Yes, our night gets taken out. It's like it's still like, no, that needed to happen. Just trust me. And that's like, yeah, I understand you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I was telling people at the book release too. It's like it's not like I have perfected. I still feel the pain, I still feel the emotions, I'm aware of it. But when I'm feeling the pain, like a lot of times I'm crying. I just know this for a good reason. I know it's for a good reason. I just know this is for a good reason, because this is the reason I'm going through this. I'm still falling, but telling myself that because I know now is the only truth that is actual, true or real, you know.
Speaker 1:You know, I had a great conversation with God. I do a lot of channeled writing and with source and I'm very like it's a daily practice of mine and he said the problem is you think the world is going to exist without pain and that's not true. And I was like damn it. It was like the problem is you keep waiting for the pain to not be there to move forward. And I was like dang, you're right, why do you have to be so all knowing? But yeah, it was a very eye-opening moment for me because I was waiting for the pain to be gone and it was just making it deeper.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, doing that way, it just goes deeper and deeper and the pain is greater and greater, but more powerful. So you can see it more clearly, to give you the same opportunity to get out of that kind of thing, deal with it differently.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I have all the tools now, so like it's nice being able to help other people who are where I was a couple years ago and be like oh no, I went through hell. I'm here with a lifeboat, let's go. I got a whole library for you, so we're good. Yeah, so it's nice to be able to be on that side, where it's like the person who can come back and help the others out of like hell and be like I can make it faster for you. I'll make sure the lifeboat doesn't plummet into the sea of sadness.
Speaker 2:You don't have to. I mean, you can go there if you want to, because a lot of people that's the only way can understand, you know, going really deep into the hole and once they're really there, is nowhere else to go. There's like, oh, okay, I get it. You know, I, I can see now, so it's okay. But but I think what I'm trying to do with the book is like you really don't have to unless you want to. Yeah, that's it. It's like because I did it too. It's like I didn't want to see it. I was the one refusing and the universe was giving me a little tap, okay, but how about? You know you can go this way? Like now, I'm gonna go this way. You know, come on, it was pushing me harder, not this way, just a little harder. No, I'm still being so stubborn, and it wasn't until the universe literally had to push me all the way. It's like, okay, you're not getting the message I'm just gonna push you in it and see what you do.
Speaker 2:Now it's like oh, I get it. I should have done it the first time you did this.
Speaker 1:I'm not a spiritual bitch. Slap, and I think that you told me that I actually like I have a secret podcast that I just started and I like, I like, I like get more. I have more fun on that one. It's like um, I'm like this is called the spiritual bitch slap. I'm like, hey, you better listen, because you don't want, like, you don't want a bigger hand coming down, so like you don't want to.
Speaker 2:But if you want to, it's like it's okay, you're still gonna come out to the surface. You know, and I know now that I became a tuning fork and I'm just the gentle push. It's like, hey, how about now? You can do this now and I'm gonna annoy the heck out of you not intentionally, again, still out of love and a lot of times my intuition takes over. It's like, hey, how about this? How about this? Okay, I'm just gonna be the gentle one. I know that. But if you don't want to hear it, it's okay. I'm not gonna get mad, I'm not gonna take it personal. I just know that the universe loves you so much, it's gonna take care of you and it's gonna at some point push you, like literally push you down into the cliff.
Speaker 1:Okay, go oh my gosh, I feel like I love when I I always know when I'm channel writing because it'll always say we love you so much. Like that's always what they start with and I'm like I know that's not from me, so like, and it is like we know how hard it is to do these things that we're asking you to do and we also want to help you. Like let us help you, let us. It's like Jerry Maguire, let me help you. Or like I forget the scene where he's like help me, help you. Or you know, it's uh, now I need, now I need to go watch that movie. But, um, it's like that moment where, like jerry's like let me help you and you know, and uh, sometimes, yeah, in our own wakes, we have like a trauma around receiving and that needs to be cleared so you can receive divine guidance. Like it's just part of it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just I'm stepping out of the way and again seeing seeing everything with compassion, love and understanding, bigger understanding, I like to say it is like learning how to look everything and everyone through God's eyes. Yeah, everything is just perfected.
Speaker 1:And it's there for your greatest good.
Speaker 2:No matter what Mm-hmm, and it's there for your greatest good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, number one, especially this situation which I'm just going to say to people who are in the shit right now. I know that sentence doesn't feel good, and so I'm just going to say, like one day you'll understand what that means in a way that's beautiful. Right now, if someone's hurting you, it might not make sense to think like that and like I just want you to know that one day you'll forgive them. But like, don't think that. That's like this person who's hurting you right now you're supposed to be like, oh, I'm gonna like love you through it, because you should never let someone hurt you.
Speaker 1:And so no it's impossible to do it. Yeah, no, I'm just saying that for people, because I know how people like, because I work with people one-on-one all day long, and it's like, oh, no, like, oh, so you're just supposed to let people hurt you? And it's like no, no, no. Love includes boundaries. It includes justice.
Speaker 1:It's, um, you know, defending yourself and not allowing people to cause you any kind of harm so I just wanted to throw that in there, because sometimes when people hear the spiritual community say stuff like that, they're like oh, I'm supposed to love everyone, even when they're ripping me off. No, because I did that and I was like I didn't understand boundaries or how to hold them with people when I was in that space of complete innocence. And then I let people hurt me a lot and I'm like I want to make sure other people know that that's not divine justice, that's not what we're saying, yeah, there is some, there is more, so much more to it, and I do.
Speaker 2:It's a process to get there. You cannot do it right away, because all you're feeling is the pain, the anger, the frustration, because, you're right, you're supposed to feel those emotions first. You're not allowed to see what is happening right now. There is injustice, there is this, and you're feeling it. That's what makes it real, but that's a. It's a fact, though, that the sooner you understand that you come, first you do the work, you love yourself, you have compassion for yourself, feel the emotion allowing them to be just like the rice that shows it in there. Once it starts fermenting, then you feel different, and that's why, once you do that, then you can send love. Yeah, you cannot do it from the get-go, because it's just not there.
Speaker 2:No, you know, I had a friend a long time ago that she was not um, having an easy time with her sister and we were talking about this, and she understood, like, okay, well, all I have to do is send her love. It's like, well, if you can, yes, it will help you tremendously. And she's like, okay, well, yeah, you know, I want to try. And then I met her again. It's like I'm trying to send love to my sister. I said, like well, you're sending love with that attitude.
Speaker 2:That's not love. Put it that way. So let's just stop sending her love and just concentrate on you. How can you love yourself, how can you put yourself first? How can you do these things for you? You, you, you, you, you, you, you. Because when you do, you see that the world around you changes and we see the world around you changes. Then you see that they are everything and everyone has been all there for you to give you an opportunity. You can see it clearly. Once you see it clearly, then you can feel the love for that, the appreciation for that. Only then you can send the love and appreciation. But at the beginning, no, no, I wouldn't ask anyone to do that. But it's just a process yeah, I'm always like.
Speaker 1:I just like people to know like there's a process to get there. So don't think, if you're in the thick of it, that, like you, should be all love and light, because there's a period for needing to be pissed off and there's a period for needing to grieve and be sad, and there's a, there's a place for fear, and it's a valid place, and then there's a place for, you know, guilt and shame, to all process through in their own way. Um, that's what keeps us human and they're not diminishing your experience or your value.
Speaker 2:So exactly, absolutely true. No, it is a process, but, but again, that it's more of a reminder. It's like just remember that you're not alone and it's part of the process, it's part of your growth, it's part of your evolution, especially the moments that don't seem like it. But if you start looking for or putting your attention, your energy towards what you want out of the situation, not the obstacles, then you will get there faster.
Speaker 1:But you're not doing anything wrong, you know, yeah, oh, this is such a great conversation and um, so tell our, the listeners, where can they find your book um, amazon.
Speaker 2:For now, I'm gonna put it on my website too, but it will take you directly to amazon. Just live with my phd, my name, judith cunningham, and then it will be there excellent, okay, well, thank you so much, judith.
Speaker 1:Um, I'm so excited for people to get to read this and I'm also inspired, um, because it's inspiring me to finally dive in and write my own book that I I have sitting on my computer that's not yet put together. Um, so, um, yeah, what is your last parting kind of like wish for anyone who's listening to this today?
Speaker 2:that's, let's bring our hope back. I know that situations right now are not easy, but we're in the right track, especially if we start loving the heck out of ourselves. This is the greatest opportunity that we have to go back to ourselves, because we matter. No matter where you are with yourself, no matter what you have gone through, no matter who you really are or who you think you are, you start loving the heck out of you with something as simple as looking at yourself in the mirror and say I love you. But there's going to be uncomfortable as heck at the beginning, but repetition, repetition, repetition makes it believable, and then that's. That's the star. So for me, more than anything else in this process called life, let's love the heck out of ourselves. It's time, we're ready for it.
Speaker 1:Excellent, it's a beautiful we're ready for it. Excellent, it's a beautiful message and thank you so much, judith. I'll put your link to your website and the book in the show notes and I just want to thank you again. So, if you forgot, this beautiful conversation was with Judith Cunningham.
Speaker 1:The author of Life Is my PhD.
Speaker 1:She's a HeartMath Institute practitioner Is that how you go by and it sounds like coach yeah, heart math coach and sound healing practitioner and many more things.
Speaker 1:And so please go check out her book, support her book and her self-published book, which is awesome to support, like authors who are doing it on their own. I'm assuming it was self published, so, like, I know I just do that, okay, and so, like, it's really powerful to go support people who are using their voice without backing right, like because that's nobody's telling them how to speak or what to write or what to say. They're actually coming straight from source or from their heart, and that is something that you know. Sometimes, when it's being published by somebody who's only looking to make money from it, you might miss some of the authenticity in it. So I really recommend that you go buy directly from these authors who are taking the time to self-publish, knowing that their work is getting out there because of source, because of their heart, not because a publisher or an editor told them what to write so that it would sell more copies. So that's kind of like my little plug for small independent authors.
Speaker 1:So I hope you all have a great day and wherever you are in the world and, yeah, let me know what you thought of the show Drop a comment below, take care and thanks again, judith. Thank you, tabatha, really.
