Tarot and Story with Soul Aspirant Roslyn Lehman, Part 2

Join us for Part 2 as we sit down with soul aspirant Rosalyn Lehman, who brings her expertise in anthropology and linguistics to offer a captivating Tarot reading. We explore the significance of the Seven of Pentacles and its themes of patience and reflection, alongside the nurturing energy of the I Ching. Rosalyn's interpretations hint at the coming of abundance and the emergence of new spiritual teaching roles, with a unique lens on the power of maternal energy. Drawing from the experiences of thought leaders like Michael Beckwith and Abraham Hicks, we discuss the need to let go of relationships that no longer match our higher vibration. The conversation also highlights the fulfillment found in purposeful work and the humility needed to share one's wisdom with the world.

To learn more about Roslyn's Tarot practice or request a reading, email her at Tarotreetarot333@gmail.com

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Transcript

Speaker 1 0:55

Hi guys and welcome back to Language of the Soul podcast, where life is story. Today's episode is part two of a two-parter Story and Tarot with Soul Aspirant Rosalyn Lehman. Story and Tarot with soul aspirant Rosalind Lehman. Before we dive back in, I'd like to remind you to please follow us, whether it's here on Buzzsprout or wherever you listen to your podcasts. We're on Apple Podcasts, iheartradio, amazon Music, spotify, all the platforms. So, yeah, please help us grow our platform and spread the word about the immense power of story in culture and for individual transformation. We would much appreciate it. That said, I'd love to dive back into our episode For those who did not tune in to the first half.

Speaker 1 1:43

Basically, rosalyn, a very dear friend of mine who actually has a background in anthropology, linguistics, specifically initially came on for that reason. It could be argued that anthropology cultural anthropology anyway is pretty much the story of mankind. But blissfully she happens to have a Tarot reading practice at the moment. So we were both very excited about the hero's journey and the sort of narrative element in the tradition of Tarot. So she came on and it's been very enlightening, very informative.

Speaker 1 2:19

But I guess the thing I'm most excited about is she did a reading for me. It took a lot of you know preparation and alignment and just a lot of work on her part, so I'm so grateful I got a freebie, but it's kind of benefiting everybody, and hopefully you too, the listener. It's very inspiring stuff. So, because it's so dense and so nuanced and there's really so much there, she's actually going to send me the written reading, which goes into even more detail, apparently, but she was pretty much able to condense everything for the purposes of the podcast. Even so, we split it into two episodes, so I think this will stand alone. You don't need to have heard the first half, but feel free to listen to both if you haven't. All right, so here we go Without further ado. This is Rosalind Lehman midway through my tarot reading. Enjoy.

Speaker 2 3:20

This card that came up next in the next position, in the sixth position, is the Seven of Pentacles, and it means like work for some right. And the seven of pentacles um signifies patience and reflection on progress. It suggests recur, evaluating your current efforts and deciding whether to continue on the same path or make changes. And it also, yeah, just like look at financial investments and everything you're investing in it's actually no, but it's beginning the.

Speaker 2 3:59

Seven of Pentacles is beginning your investments, not only financially, and always is it starting to bear fruit. It's happening, you know, don't give up. You know it's like experiencing the cycle of change that will affect your income for the better. And I also just have to say, as I was going through some of this stuff, I also have information with the I ching and their correlation with the numbers and the cards and the deck, and so when I was doing it, the info, this thing I have information fell out of my notebook and I was like, just look straight at the seven of pentacles connected to the I ching and it's basically telling you to embrace what's coming next and its connection to mothering energy. And I'll write all this up for you and what it means in the I ching, the number 44 position and because it's really informative and also there's a lot to it.

Speaker 2 5:05

But I just there came that mothering energy again and I felt like it's that energy don't give up right around the corner and it may not even look what you even have visioned, because that when I talked about that, you might have to carry a heavy load and as you're understanding your karmic contracts and what you need to teach, and I keep saying teach, and I know you've been a teacher, um, but a teacher at a spiritual level is what I'm talking about on a a way, um, you know it's that's coming Like like your silos they're full.

Speaker 2 5:45

Um, you know, in the near future, like your emotional plane is um changing and it's going to impact all your relations and your creation and so you have, like your silos are full. It's coming like you're going to have abundance and you're also your emotional, um, uh know, control over your emotions are. You know, looking at, like responding rather than reacting, kind of thing. You're harnessing that in such a way. You've learned so much so it's going to push you on to this next thing that may not even be on your understanding and horizon right now. Then a way that you think it is coming and it's not like to be on on this or what I you know fortune telling or whatever, but it's just based on your reading. It just feels like there's something that that hold on. You know, tell me a little bit more if you don't mind.

Speaker 1 6:51

Hold on. You know, tell me a little bit more if you don't mind. You said something about the abundance that is just around the corner is related to the maternal energy, or embracing the maternal energy. What was that? I know it's going to be in the written part, but yeah, so well, the mothering.

Speaker 2 7:09

If you look at um the i-ching, which is another divination tool, um, it's, it's all about mothering energy and that, to me, was connected in the sense of supporting you, like um, because it fell out. I wasn't even going to do any of that, but it fell out and the whole thing was your mom and that whole mothering energy around the whole reading, all the feminine energy, is it a?

Speaker 1 7:39

good time to tell the listeners what happened earlier today regarding that maternal energy oh sure, yeah, remember yeah, you told me to.

Speaker 1 7:47

Yeah, yeah, it's just as a weird side note. We agreed not to go back and forth too much. Rosalind does know me very well, but it doesn't mean she knows everything that's going on in my life at this particular moment. Right, and so in preparing for today, we really didn't go back and forth too much. But today, just for logistical reasons, we text a little bit and, for whatever reason, I said, wow, I just, I think it's a great time to do this, let's stick to the plan. I think it feels right. And I said largely because I feel very receptive and I'm really in touch with my feelings. I feel like a live wire. And I said and my heart is open, something like that. It's not like I'm intellectually stimulated, I just felt like my heart was open and it's because I had just literally watched the newsflash about the four hostages being released.

Speaker 1 8:36

I'm sure everybody's aware by now, but I specifically said because it's. Can you imagine, even though it's not going to be a Hollywood ending right, plenty of hostages have already died and others will. It may not be the two-state solution we want, there may not even be a ceasefire or a peace accord, but can you imagine being one of those parents and you're against all odds. Your child comes home, and so there was footage of a mother and she said I just couldn't let him go, I couldn't stop hugging him and I just was. I bawled like a baby. So anyway, I told you that and of course, the maternal energy is all over your reading.

Speaker 2 9:16

Yes, and in the I Ching it's called it's mothering the change, like nurturing the change, and the old image or the old character is a pregnant woman giving birth. So like you're birthing something, I know you're doing a lot. I just when you take the reprieves and kind of detach emotionally a little bit and sit in silence and you know, keep doing all your practices and reflecting on emotional reactions and respondings and you know it's just this opening and birthing is happening and it's not necessarily fun in the birthing process but um well, is I?

Speaker 1 10:02

I feel like I want to interject. Is there another card, or was that the last card?

Speaker 2 10:07

there's more cards. That was not okay. Yeah, yeah, that was just. The i-chain thing fell out on its own, just like your. That's amazing pentacles reverse fell out right.

Speaker 1 10:18

Wow, um what does that mean when a card just falls out?

Speaker 2 10:22

well, oh well. My grandma would say you know, when a card falls to the floor, it's's at your door, it's like right here, it's right now. It's the energy that's kind of you know.

Speaker 1 10:32

So the two that fell out were this last one about perhaps the great reward being right around the corner if I embrace the maternal energy. And then what was the other one that actually fell out?

Embracing Spiritual Leadership Journey

Speaker 2 10:45

The king of pentacles. That was upside down, meaning financial instability, not feeling stable in the material world. You know in the material world and you know grounding yourself.

Speaker 1 11:02

So I think I'm turning a corner and this you know like you have residual energy, and this you know like you have residual energy. I met somebody once that read something in my vibration that was way on the horizon and I didn't know it was coming, but they caught it, and so sometimes we have residual energy from the past as well, if that makes sense, and you may have moved on from it, but you still have a kind of a residual vibration.

Speaker 2 11:26

Yeah, yeah, and you know how you were talking about the company. You keep, maybe, or when I'm talking about moving inward, maybe kind of going away from that kind of situations, or I don't know if that's making sense.

Speaker 1 11:45

Again, I call it choosing what to give your airtime to picking your battles, but also maintaining your vibration. You've hinted that everything is. There's no scarcity. That right I can always replenish, but I do think just choosing who I surround myself with is a theme for sure.

Speaker 2 12:05

Yes, yes, and as far as the inward and instruction and meditate and stuff, it doesn't have to be one or the other right Like and practice. It's a daily practice. You know, and I feel like we're all are things that we have to. We have to peel back the layers, to keep peeling back the layers like of an onion, and there's so much to learn about ourselves, you know.

Speaker 1 12:37

But I understand, like getting out there and and, oh yeah, I don't think I would drop the ball on my spiritual practice. I think, and I also don't think we ever arrive we're never sort of magically enlightened. It's a lifestyle that I live.

Speaker 2 12:53

So your next card is in the seventh position and it's the King of Wands and he's on your left side now I think, when you're looking at your cards, and you know this is a position that focuses on relationships. Traditionally, the king of wands represents leadership, confidence of visionary qualities and relationships. It suggests taking charge, inspiring others and, you know, being assertive, putting yourself out there, as you say, right like. I feel like this card kind of represents you because it's a fire, like he mastered the fire. The fire is like creativity. The fire is a wand. You know how to hold your fire. I mean, this King is most of us would burn ourselves, but you kind of have that mastery of creation, right Like, and I'll give you so much more on him.

Speaker 2 13:57

But in this position, like, like your mind, your mind right now, is preparing to accept your role as a spiritual, spiritual leadership that lies in your path, like your ability to express, like deep internal shifts, the master of creativity.

Speaker 2 14:11

Now you're like you're it's kind of transcending into spiritual leadership for others. You know, like, like a social commitment in that way, like, that's why I feel when I think of the burden, that's the kind of burden I mean, that's a heavy load. It can be if you're, and it also could be dangerous. You know, if you have, you're not, you don't have spiritual practices or you haven't learned to, you know, reflect on the ego and stuff. That could be a dangerous thing. But from the cards I'm reading, like you're so you're getting there, you're so you're at that point and like you say, don't ever arrive, like I'm totally. You know it takes lifetimes but there is like there's a possibility of serious spiritual leadership and I, there will be others to kind of come in you'll have that I'm going to read out like I say I'm going to email so much more well.

Speaker 1 15:14

Well, I'll expand on that one because I think it's in the spirit of the podcast very much.

Speaker 2 15:19

Yeah.

Speaker 1 15:19

So I'll just expand on that one in the context of my journey. So a lot of the thought leaders that I admire, you know, whether it's Michael Beckwith or Marianne Williamson or even Abraham Hicks, that's just the inspiration that I regularly take in Right. Or even Abraham Hicks, that's just the inspiration that I regularly take in right. Nobody claims, like you said, to have arrived or to have any special line to divinity or anything. You know, none of them are gurus, put it that way. But yet they will say when I stepped into my sense of purpose, when I accepted my calling that is the hero's journey right. When I accepted my calling, when I found my voice and decided to and that's what our podcast is all about that moment when you not only find your voice within a given craft but you connect it with a sense of purpose, right, and then contribute back to the collective, that is nothing less than a ministry. And so a lot of our guests that we've had on have had that brush with death, that life changing experience that really upped the stakes and maybe lit a fire in their spiritual journey. And my point is, even the ones I admire the most, like Michael Beckwith, even Abraham Hicks they will say but once you're on that journey, you're going to lose people that aren't vibrating at that right. Again, it sounds so good, bad, right, wrong, sort of value judgments. But I think we know what we're talking about. When you're on a path and your vibration is high, you leave some people behind that aren't vibrating at the same rate. And so other people will say when you're on a path and you're inspired and you're pursuing that path, don't tell anyone about it because you'll jinx it.

Speaker 1 17:05

I can't disagree. These things are alive and well. People want to hold you in old roles, if that makes sense, because it serves them. Old familial roles, right. And so I relate to that a little bit. But I'm also not delusional. In other words, I have no delusions of grandeur about my personal sense of purpose. I just feel very lucky that I get to engage in this way and it's fulfilling to me. I am surrounding myself with like-minded people that are also pursuing right their sense of purpose. Does that make sense in this context?

Speaker 2 17:40

Yeah.

The King of Wands

Speaker 1 17:40

How I relate to that card is like there's nothing special going on here, but I do know I renew my sense of purpose, right, and then my agency in the world by contributing. And this podcast is an extension of my book, which was a labor of love, which did result from a lot of introspection and I'm the kind of guy that has believe it or not enough humility, that I didn't start teaching until eight years into my 11 years at Disney. I didn't think I had anything to offer, but I do it for the sense of purpose, right, and to bring people together and just share ideas, and so, anyway, I relate to that in that I'm allowing myself to do that, I've just stepped into it. And I wrote my book because I thought, man, if I don't have any wisdom to offer or let's not even use that word but if I don't have dots that I've connected over the years that I feel are going to be valuable to other people, and if I don't feel called to share them at the age of 53, when does that happen? So it took me a long time to feel I had anything to offer and I feel very fulfilled writing a book that feels like my offering, my unique soul, my unique mind, my unique brain connects dots that others don't, and so I'm sharing what I've learned about how to dissolve some of the imaginary divisiveness by being judicious, right Synthesizing seemingly opposing thought forms that actually aren't.

Speaker 1 19:11

This is nothing less. Do you know what I mean than my calling? This is nothing less. Do you know what I mean than my calling? And I would add to that I think every one of us is being called upon by evolution, no less by epigenetics, to tell our story, to contribute our unique gifts, whatever they are, back into the collective. Again, it takes a village, as we've said many times. I relate to this card more than the rest because I'm allowing myself to do that without being shamed for it, if that makes sense. So I like the idea that I can wield that scepter without it being a a weapon, you know?

Speaker 2 19:46

and yeah, yeah, can you, um, because the king is a master of it. Right, because I'm sure, um, in times when you were younger you know the knight also holds the wand. The page does too, but the page probably burned himself a few times, you know, yeah. So it's kind of like a card of liberating your full spirit and transcending the ego. I mean, we don't totally transcend it, but but don't?

Speaker 1 20:21

I feel like we all need to own our gifts and not be shamed for owning our gifts and stepping into them and stepping into a ministry or a calling or a sense of purpose. Anybody should be shamed for that. But yeah, I think you want to do it without ego or, you know, being fixed on the outcome, you know.

Speaker 2 20:33

Yeah, so I'm not understanding the shame part.

Speaker 1 20:37

Well, when, when people say, yeah, I I mentioned like even in relationships, sometimes when one partner grows, the other says, oh, we grew apart. And instead of do you know what I mean the commitment being I'm gonna get to know the new person they want to hold you in an old role or an old capacity that actually serves them. Families do it all the time. Codependent families, alcoholic families, hold you you know about that hold you in an old role because it suits them. When you suddenly have opinions or right, assert yourself or your gifts, it's uncomfortable for those around you sometimes, so I don't focus on that. I don't like hearing Michael Beckwith say, oh, the haters came out of the woodwork once I started my church. I don't like that because it seems egoic. But you know what? It is a phenomenon that happens.

Speaker 2 21:28

When you have like an ego death and you transcend, then it turns into compassion. Transcend then it turns into compassion, detachment and seeing the oneness. So, even if somebody which feels horrible to be shamed for your beliefs believe me, like, yeah, we talk, we like in family dynamics and stuff, it liberates you from that feeling of people like you know, I don't like to be shamed, nobody wants to be shamed, but you don't even it. It brings you to a state of compassion where you would see them compassionately and and and um the roles that they're playing, the journey that they're on, the karma that they're doing. And when you get to that point you can kind of stop the karmic relationship in a way right and be done with it. And then you're, you're the light, the hermit's holding beautiful.

Speaker 1 22:24

Yeah, I like the word emanate too. We've talked about you can inspire other people, right, you can aspire towards something. But I like this idea that if you embody your principles, you you can actually just emanate that. Right, you can walk into a room and emanate it. So that's the goal for me, but I don't know. I guess.

Speaker 2 22:42

Yes, that's part of the King of Wands energy too. When the King of Wands walks into a room, the energy he's emanating is one of. I mastered fire, right, I mastered creativity and passion. I know how to use the, you know, and not in a domineering way. Just that's what the energy surrounds, you know. Yeah.

Speaker 1 23:10

And I think creatives and artists or even intuitives like you with a thin skin, we sometimes, um, don't bring our own presence into a room because our right, Our, our skin is so thin. Am I speaking English? Sometimes it's hard to separate your stuff from other people's stuff, right?

Speaker 2 23:30

Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 23:32

Yeah Well, once you get stronger and you find self-love, and then you find the agency, in that, I think it's possible to come into a room and shift the energy and just bring your own presence and emanate it. Does that make sense?

Speaker 2 23:43

That absolutely makes sense.

Speaker 1 23:44

I used to just absorb everybody's energy, right, and if it meant being invisible or sulking, that's what I would do. Now I'll just come in and make people laugh and shift the energy. It's new to me.

Speaker 2 23:55

Yeah, me too. I, yeah, I know what exactly what you're talking about. I mean, probably within the last, it's always a growth. You know little steps, but, and definitely in the last few years, like, um, yeah, I, he's shifting the energy and also just um, having the ability to lovingly detach well, yeah you, yeah you.

Speaker 1 24:17

I really got that when you said that. By the way, and we have talked about that a lot, you know, taking the meta view, seeing the shared humanity and therefore forgiving, that's what shifting the narrative is. So I'll say, like with the family roles, or feeling like, ooh, I regress when I'm back in the family unit and they want to hold me in an old role. I mean, I always have to come to the place of like and without any judgment, without saying good, bad, right or wrong. We're just in different places vibrationally. I'm.

Speaker 1 24:47

I'm trying to take any you know what I mean Value judgments out of the words I'm choosing, but it just is what it is. So I allow myself to diagnose whether it's a cultural, like a societal ill and say, man, it kind is at his best when he operates this way. But you, instead of putting your attention on the problem or the grievance, you put your attention on the solution. Therein lies, do you know what I mean? The productivity. So I think it's good to diagnose. We call it judgment, but it's not a bad thing, it's how we survive, and you can call it a function of the ego. But even if it's not just fight or flight, and it's not fear-based and it's not that kind of judgment. It is discernment.

Speaker 2 25:29

That's what I was going to say discernment.

Speaker 1 25:31

Thank you, and I'm the one guy who's like no, I'm going to continue to diagnose. You can call it judgmental if you want, and virtue signal, but how do we make changes if we don't diagnose? The trick is you don't get hung up on the grievance, you focus on the solution.

Speaker 2 25:45

On the solution. And when I talk about ego, you know death and stuff. You need your ego. Ego is not a negative thing, it's just when you master it. You know. I don't know how many lifetimes that would take. You have control of the reins, you know yes right like.

Speaker 1 26:06

And so then you, you're liberated in the material world, in a way but I love what you were saying about finding your compassion, because I think it is tricky to sort of diagnose and go here's what I need to do for my spiritual growth. I can't control others, right, but I know here's what I need to do. But I just love. You know, every moment, as we've said a million times on this podcast, you can choose love over fear. Sometimes it takes a deeper breath than other times, right, but that's that's how you find your compassion for others, instead of judging, blaming, labeling behavior. It is that miracle, as Marianne Williamson would put it, that miracle that is a shift from fear to love. I'm just talking in ideals right now. I have good days and bad days, and we all do.

Speaker 2 26:55

Of course that's, of course it's, and it's a daily practice and it's yeah, all of that, and and then it's also, what is this lesson in front of me, right, when you're encountering some things, and then where's that in myself, you know?

Speaker 1 27:15

yeah, like what am I being called upon to grow at this moment? Right, what quality do I need to grow in myself to turn this moment into a crucible, you know, or?

Speaker 2 27:25

survive it, yeah, yeah, and transmute it.

Speaker 1 27:30

I love that word Yep the alchemist. There you go. Wow, you brought that full circle. I love that.

Speaker 2 27:38

And I'll the alchemist. There you go. Wow, you brought that full circle. I love that and and I'll try to wrap this up because I only have you know two more and I I know you're editing and it's and it takes a long time to edit and stuff so I am going to tighten it up, just so it'll be shorter.

Speaker 1 27:46

But uh, thank you for yeah, thank you so in.

Speaker 2 27:49

so the uh, the next card you got is in the ace position and it's the three of pentacles. And when you got it inverted or reversed, and when the three of pentacles is upright, it's everybody working together in harmony and creating something, building something together. And yours was inverted and so perhaps you know you're feeling like a lack of cooperation, maybe you feel like you're trying to do it all by yourself. You know anxiety traditionally anxiety about health and wealth, maybe not feeling appreciated, that's I know, it's just really general.

Speaker 1 28:33

All of those I relate to 100% right now.

Speaker 2 28:38

Yep, yeah, I know, it's just really all of them. All of those, I relate to 100 right now yep, yeah, because you know in under, yeah, undervalued um so and the next card.

Speaker 1 28:51

I relate to all of that. It's amazing. These things are all on my radar.

Speaker 2 28:55

Okay, so this is the last card and you know, traditionally it's called the magician, but it let's do the alchemist, cause it actually aligns. It actually, um, aligns better, I think. Um, cause the magician can take all the elements and knows that. Or the alchemist can take all the elements and knows that inside they have everything they need and then they can master everything the elements that surround them. And you know, if traditionally, on the card, the magician has like one hand pointing to the sky with like a staff of some sort or a crystal or a wand, and then one pointing to the floor on the card, and that's more about as above, so below right, which is the Kabbalion thing as well, right yeah, exactly, or you know what's reflected out, you know is happening inward, um, so.

Speaker 2 30:06

So it's like the alchemist is like a spiritual leader, so it's kind of knowing that everything's possible through the power of the divine.

Journey to Self-Discovery and Art

Speaker 1 30:15

So that's like your formula kind of for for success, right application of divine will and the faith in it, self-love and self-awareness and confidence, and that's kind of your, your um formula beautiful, yeah, yeah, so that's do you, do you like the word intrinsic, like we can have an intrinsic, uh sense of self, or, you know, as opposed to like um self-esteem, which is kind of overrated because it seems egoic, right, a lot of people use external attributes for their self-esteem or their confidence. I I hate both of those words, but I like this idea of intrinsic self, intrinsic value.

Speaker 2 31:01

Yeah, and then yeah, I, um and I, I think self-esteem is important Um but true self-love is intrinsic.

Speaker 1 31:11

It doesn't have to do with the external stuff. All I was trying to get yeah I think I've always identified as somebody not with like a direct line to divinity, but therein lies my value, is that I am do you know what I mean? An ascent and essence. My essence is divine and that's where my value lies. It's never laying in the space in my teeth or my freckles, or the fact that I'm sure any of that you know?

Speaker 1 31:35

yeah, you're not identifying with, with um, the material world for your value, basically yeah, but part of the hero's journey is that you get blinded by the world and you actually betray yourself. That's the definition of sin, right. And then you move away from that. And so when I said, you know, the alchemist was largely about losing that beginner's luck, you know, my entire book, the Seeker, is about kind of losing that self-love, that intrinsic self-love, and then being blinded to your own divinity and then slowly discovering it over time, right. And then, yeah, that's kind of my wish is that I could reclaim that agency or that alchemy of youth. So, yeah, I relate to that.

Speaker 2 32:17

Yeah, yeah. And also, again coming back to the ego, because the ego tends to attach identity to, and self-worth to, things, material things, intellect, whatever you know, things like that Whereas, yeah, self-love, self-awareness is, yeah, realizing you're divine.

Speaker 1 32:46

And it's transcendent right. So your circumstances and conditions in theory shouldn't erode that self-love. I do identify that way. I mean I've and I maybe we all do in youth. Right, we identify with our essence, but then the world teaches us, right, that it has no currency, and so anyway, in the hero's journey it is about sort of being blinded by the matrix, right.

Speaker 2 33:08

Yes, exactly.

Speaker 1 33:12

I love it. Yeah, I relate to that card a lot. I don't know why the word magician didn't sit right with me, but I like alchemist. Are we allowed to change the name?

Speaker 2 33:23

Yeah, I think we should. I think you should actually with your art, you're such an amazing painter and writer. You should make your own deck. I would love to.

Speaker 1 33:32

I would love to my friend Greg Spelenka you were you there for his episode? Virginia greg spelenka, yeah, yeah, he's doing a card. I think it wasn't it a tarot card, a tarot deck yeah, he's doing a tarot deck and, um, I think he's.

Speaker 3 33:48

Yeah, it's really beautiful.

Speaker 1 33:49

I've seen a few of them. They're really beautiful. I would um, why don't you win the lottery and then?

Speaker 2 33:56

we will.

Speaker 1 33:57

you'll be the brains, I'll be the brawn, something like that.

Speaker 3 34:01

We'll all be rich there's. That's the abundance.

Speaker 1 34:03

And you're going to be the mother figure that I'm supposed to. What am I supposed to do? Latch onto.

Speaker 2 34:10

No, she's going to come and cut through your bs. That's like with her sword so, yeah, um, I think you won't need to win the lottery. Um, I do feel like. I do feel like you're going to be recognized and appreciated for your works. And I'm not saying it, no, I'm kidding, yeah.

Speaker 1 34:48

Rosalyn, I feel, just for our listeners, we're going to wrap it up, but I mean, I don't know what you know and what you don't, but truly, so many of these things and they are universal, but they're very much on my radar. So, real quick, like Virginia, I told you the story the other day about being at Roger's party, right, the director of Lion King. Yeah, okay, but I may not have told you this part, okay, so I was a 20 yearold kid, literally straight out of school. I happened to land on Lion King 18 months early. It was three years, all said and done, but because nobody was on the project yet and it was really the first original treatment ever done by Disney, you know, not from an existing public domain folktale. It was an original treatment but nobody knew it was going to do well. So it was a tiny little warehouse building and I was a 20, literally 20 year old kid and I was just kind of doing paintings because Aladdin was in production and it was me and a couple other people and the director happened to like them. Well, they had a big influence on the film Rafiki's Tree, pride, rock, a lot of the little studies I did as a kid. It made it into the film.

Family Legacy and Financial Abundance

Speaker 1 35:59

I was making dirt. Do you know what I mean? It was? I was union, but I didn't look out for myself. And uh, I was. You know, once I was journeyman I had got to negotiate and actually we all got lawyers after Lion King did so well, we all had to get lawyers to negotiate the proper salary. But I was a kid, I didn't poke around and find out what other people were making. But I think all these years later Roger realizes my contributions to the film and that I was a kid making dirt, you know.

Speaker 1 36:20

And at his party 75th party the other day, just before I left, he said you know, I'm going to put some thought because he knows I had a medical emergency and I'm basically broke. And he said when I get back from Portugal I'm going to put some thought into your financial situation. So I'm fantasizing. But just a week later somebody posted and again there's a Facebook group called we Worked at Disney Animation in the 80s and 90s or whatever about the renaissance of animation. The other director of Lion King this is the part I may not have told you Virginia Roger Allers, was my buddy and then the other one is Rob Minkoff. So publicly. He says what about royalties? What did he say? What about royalties for the artists in yeah, what about royalties on the back end for artists? I wrote publicly. I wrote yes, please, and retroactive please. So I like secretly think do you know what I mean? That something is going on there.

Speaker 1 37:22

But now when you mentioned the feminine energy, you may or may not know we've had that lawsuit going on for 30 years in my family over the legacy, my grandfather's entire legacy, and I won't go into it too much, but we have a new legal team on it. It's gained more momentum than ever. We've had some victories in court and every one of my cousins is female, but the two oldest cousins are the matriarchs and they're kind of really at the forefront of spearheading the current effort with the current legal team. So yeah, there's a lot of feminine energy, feminine energy.

Speaker 1 38:01

And my mom did just pass and to spell it out, her chunk of the family trust do you know what I mean? Said it doesn't even go to spouses. They made sure it went to their kids and not the spouses, and good thing, because a lot of them have divorced many times, but anyway. So my mom's money is kind of tied up, but there's a lot of questions about whether my grandfather's legacy is going to extend to his grandchildren or not. It's all up in the air. So this is all fascinating stuff. You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 38:32

There could be a windfallfall or not. We're spending a lot of money on these lawyers, so there may be nothing left, but anyway, one secretly hopes and one crosses his fingers yeah, and hopefully one of your cousins is like the queen of swords and just cuts. Well, they are they're, they're doing it, they're thank god for them and they're badasses yeah.

Speaker 3 38:56

I was going to say a lot of things Rosalind brought up too. I mean I know you and I over the last few weeks have had very similar conversations on many of the points that were brought up too.

Speaker 1 39:06

I think of Rosalind, because I've known her forever. I assume she knows a lot about me, but I actually think you might know more about the recent stuff of Virginia. You're right, I threw out. I was thinking. I wonder what Virginia thinks of that.

Speaker 3 39:18

Yeah, I mean, I obviously there's stuff that I felt related to you know conversations you and I have had about this podcast in particular, but, um, definite stuff like just because you know we've had parallels going on in our lives, um, with family, and you know we've had parallels going on in our lives with family and you know situations and stuff, and I was just like, oh my gosh, these are like conversations we've had you know about, you know guests, or like you know the future of what we, you know what we see you know independently together. I mean it's just it was. I really felt it encapsulated lot of, probably a lot, at least the last four weeks.

Speaker 1 39:58

Isn't that fascinating.

Speaker 2 40:00

Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I didn't. Yeah, I did not realize that about the trust or you know I had. I knew your dad, you know your dad was still alive and stuff, so I just figured that's.

Speaker 1 40:11

You know he's got everything and doing everything, you know well, I don't want to say too much, but the truth is it was supposed to go just to the children, but because my grandmother died only seven years ago, seven years before my mom, her mom died, that's scary to me. It's kind of haunting, but yeah, she only. I feels like yesterday we were at her services and then my mom didn't wait long. She now she's back with mommy, mother and daddy, as she called them, and uncle bob. But anyway, because it's my grandmother died so recently it did go just to my mom, but I think they jointly decided that obviously her home health care and her home hospice, which was very expensive.

Speaker 1 40:53

It just was logical to use it for that and I don't know if that was legal or not, but they got squandered largely on that. So I don't think really we're going to get any of that. But if we win our lawsuit against the government do you know what I mean? It could be quite significant. So I'm so not money mindedminded. It feels horrible to talk about, but it's no it's a conundrum.

Speaker 2 41:19

I yeah, I'm in the same, you know boat like I. I worked in education, everything and I have stuff, retirement and stuff, but I'm pretty much broke. I have all that, like you know, tucked away.

Speaker 1 41:36

But Well, that's what I wanted to say. Sorry to interrupt you. Go ahead, I didn't mean to interrupt you.

Speaker 2 41:42

Oh no, that's it. That's what I was going to say. I know we're still recording Now I'm just kind of chatting with you guys, but go ahead.

Speaker 1 41:47

Yeah, we're recording. But I do think that money can be thought of as currency. I mean, it is, by definition, right. But there is that school of thought that you think of it as spiritual energy, and I do think I've always said you got to spend money to make money, or you just have to invest to receive. You know, and love. You could say the same of love, right? The benefit of loving is actively loving it's a verb, after all, right, rather than seeking to receive love all the time yeah, yeah, and not transactional, really it's not.

Speaker 2 42:22

Yeah, and money is just a tool and, um, yeah, and we need it in the material world because that's what we use right now and we're not living, you know, off the grid or in a jungle or something, in a different system.

Speaker 1 42:38

I had to really repair my views on money at one point. So here's how I'll put it Like I've had it and I've not had it. I prefer having it. It makes the bad stuff go away. I didn't really develop any bad habits. I only bought my first stereo at 26, you know, but I don't.

Speaker 1 42:54

If I did anything out of the hubris of youth, it was that I just didn't recognize, you know, I mean, how easily money made the problems go away. I didn't do anything crazy. I didn't start to identify with abundance really, but what I now think is. And so then I developed. When I suddenly didn't have it right, I started looking around going. The people that I know that are rolling in it right now are stepping on other people actually and they're consulting. They're taking other people. Money is sorry, I'm so tired taking other people's money as consultants, but they're really not doing their thing or contributing their voice. So I did develop a lot of judgments around money. I eventually said you need to fix that and I started focusing on luminaries who their abundance is a direct extension of them, honoring their muse right or honoring their purpose or their ministry or their calling yeah Dharma.

Speaker 1 43:49

Yeah, they do exist in the world, and absolutely absolutely yeah that's kind of where I put my focus on, and I do believe that we're all we're all entitled to abundance in a way, but more so that those of us I have, and marianne williamson says a lot of people say should I live a happy life or should I serve you know, like, should I ask god what, how I can serve him, or should I live a happy life? And she's like, actually, and one person even said what if God wants me to be an accountant? You know she was trying to pursue her singing songwriting what if God wants to be me to be an accountant? And Marianne said why would he do that? You're horrible at math. No-transcript compensation is the term. We will not necessarily find abundance, but we'll be comfortable yeah, and I'm talking just financial abundance.

Speaker 2 45:10

There's so much abundance, and you know, but yeah, yeah, to meet your needs in the material world and enough to give to others, right, because then it just frees you up to do other things to benefit the community, and you know.

Speaker 1 45:29

That's what I was going to say too is I was at my best. I am at my best when I can give, and I have 22 nieces and nephews. As you know, I have a huge Italian family and I miss being able to give to the family. Now, it's not my love language. You know what I mean. My dad, I think money or providing was his love language. I never want it to be that, but I just feel like you just have more agency in the world. I mentioned I like eating. I like I'm a foodie. I miss movies. It does take money to do that, so I do kind of miss some of the agency that came with my financial situation being more stable. But part of that is the giving to, and I know there's other ways of giving, but I miss being able to be uncle disney, you know, and like I guess it. So maybe I'm being called upon to find other forms of currency that I can give well, that's already happening.

Speaker 2 46:25

I, I knowing you. I mean, your words are currency, your art, art is currency, you know.

Speaker 1 46:37

Yeah, but you also mentioned feeling unappreciated. So, like the things in the reading, the things that well, I think they're on everybody's radar Legacy when you have a loss like losing your mother and you know she visited a lot in the beginning, by the way, I told you I had a lot of dreams about her and I'm a little worried because she hasn't visited in a while. But, by the way, I told you I had a lot of dreams about her and I'm a little worried because she hasn't visited in a while, but, um, I'm sure she'll be back. But I think, you know, when you experience loss, legacy becomes very important and then being appreciated as part of that Right.

Speaker 2 47:04

And I'm going to say this um, you know, living as a minimalist, or simply um, which you know, my partner and I do too. We live pretty simply. Um, that is a legacy to the whole planet, because we can't keep consuming. I mean, that's impossible, at least at a level of where we're at collectively.

Speaker 1 47:30

You know, legacy is not recognition for that, it's just the doing of it right the doing exactly so, and that gets simply without attachment to recognition Right.

Speaker 1 47:59

Right, but I think maybe you're an example to people Right, and even Jasper, you are an example Because I think back to my grandparents. They lived again in the desert for most of my childhood and they read by kerosene lamp, they had a generator in case of an emergency, you know, and so we learned a lot from that and it's part, it's in our souls, just the minimalist lifestyle they lived in the desert, which was very spiritually cleansing, by the way.

Speaker 2 48:29

Oh, I'm sure. Yeah, it sounds like it'd be beautiful. Where was that Just?

Speaker 1 48:35

all over, but most of my childhood was Kennedy Meadows. If you know, kennedy Meadows it's kind of right between Yosemite and then, like on this side, it would be right before Bishop Mammoth Lone Pine.

Speaker 2 48:50

Oh, okay, pretty.

Speaker 1 48:51

Beautiful, yeah, like right in the middle of that canyon between Yosemite and like, if you think of, do you know where Olansha is by chance?

Speaker 2 48:59

No, I don't.

Speaker 1 49:01

It's south of it's before Lone Pine, basically Like after, if you're going up to 395, after Mojave but before Lone Pine. Anyway, beautiful, beautiful Emblazoned on my soul.

Speaker 3 49:21

Yeah, I think this has been enlightening all the way around. I'm sorry I didn't hear you. Oh, I said. I said just listening to everything you guys have been talking about. It's just been so enlightening, you know, all the way around.

Speaker 1 49:32

I'm glad you were listening to the reading, because I did keep thinking god, virginia's been getting an earful or we've been sharing right a lot lately, so I knew some of it would resonate with you. Maybe you got a vicarious reading, like I did with my mom's visitation um, I didn't pick up on anything, but I did.

Speaker 3 49:50

I was picking up on, like I said, stuff that related between conversations, like where I'm like, I like I see that you know from this conversation, and stuff like that yeah, it's kind of fascinating.

Speaker 1 50:04

Rosalind, is there any value to me telling you the animals that visited me? It wasn't a bird?

Speaker 2 50:09

yes, I'm just curious. Okay, it wasn't a bird and it wasn't a butterfly.

Speaker 1 50:11

Okay, it wasn't a bird and it wasn't a butterfly, okay, okay.

Speaker 1 50:15

But I mean, I kind of think, you know, I'm a pretty, I'm a storyteller, so I'm kind of into symbolism and metaphor and I used to analyze friends' dreams, but just for fun, you know, because that's the language of the soul, that's the language I speak. But I would always, instead of going with the Jungian archetype, I would say yes, but what does it mean to you? Do you know what I mean? Like a train isn't always a penis. I would go image by image, and so I would say, if I say cat, don't say hat. But you know, just tell me what it means without thinking. And so that's kind of how I would analyze dreams. And so that's kind of how I would analyze dreams. It was, they were personal and not necessarily universal symbols, but sometimes my own dreams are really. They'll slap you in the face. They're so blatant and almost insulting in their simplicity of their symbolism. This one, so sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 2 51:07

Oh, so I was just going to interrupt you. Just, I just want to mention because Virginia said she was interested in plants and herbalism and we're talking about, uh, dreams. Plants come to me in dreams, wow, so much.

Dream Symbols and Collective Consciousness

Speaker 1 51:21

And I, there are plants that I don't even know exist, and they'll tell me what they're for, and then they exist, you know, yeah yeah, madeline lingle wrote a wind in the door and that other one just on intuition, on a hunch, and everything she wrote about cell biology turned out to be true.

Speaker 2 51:40

So yeah, it's, it's the plant. Yeah, it's amazing, because I've had so many dreams with that and be like I'm fire weed, take me, you know, and it's like, oh my god, what, what are you? And I'll look it up and I'll cause they're so in my brain, right, wow, it's like you're on the path.

Speaker 1 51:57

I have so many examples of that and so why do they appear at that moment, like once you learn that that plan exists and maybe it's medicinal qualities, are you meant to check it out, or what?

Speaker 2 52:08

do you do? Yeah, there's so many, but I'll just briefly Long story. There was a moth in my dream and I knew it was not just a moth and I said show yourself. And this man appeared and he had like this big cigar tobacco and he blew it in my face, said this is fire weed, you know, and people should take it. Have everybody take it. When this orange, butterfly or moth appears, there's many people to drink it for your respiratory system and I'm like yeah, fire weed.

Speaker 2 52:45

And so in the morning I wake up and look up fire weed. I'm like, oh, it's this. I'm like wonder where it is. I literally pass this plant, you know, all the time it's kind of like a weed and you know. So of course I gather it and I make tea of it. I have a whole bunch told my friend who's an herbalist about the drink she's been drinking it, you know. But it's like I get stuff like that in dreams and so yeah. So it's not even like symbolism. It's those type of dreams Not all. Most dreams are my, you know symbolism. But that.

Speaker 1 53:16

Well, again, I mentioned so sorry to interrupt you, but yeah, I mentioned that Madeline Lingle thing because it just illustrates that we, you know, and Emily Bronte wrote Wuthering Heights without really leaving her house but she tapped into these really universal archetypes. So, even though yours are more specific and they're not symbolic of the spiritual journey per se, they're very specific but it just says we have access to all of it, the collective unconscious right, everything man has learned along the way. You know, there's people that can wake up from a head injury and suddenly play concert piano.

Speaker 1 53:49

There's people that wake up and can suddenly speak a language they've never been exposed to yeah we have access, whether it's in dna or we tap in energetically through non-local communication, to right collective consciousness oh my gosh, I'm just, I'm.

Speaker 2 54:07

I'm gonna send you a name of a physicist, um, but she I won't go into. There's a whole other podcast, but basically the universe is encapsulated. It's not infinite, it's encapsulated. They're finding in like a thin layer, like almost like a bubble, with an empty void inside, and the dark matter and where we put our attention to and all the information is out there but fills the void like a hologram. Like you hit your attention and your light and the photons hit the thing and it comes into the void like a hologram and creates, um, the situation, or you can access what's already been there for the entire existence of right.

Speaker 1 54:50

So that's a whole other podcast, but I think what the bleep hit on that as well, right, and then even that everywhere, all the time movie oh, for sure hit on the multiverse idea that it could be that when the bosons pop over right and then the waves fix as particles, that is the reality that you reify with your sense organs. You know.

Speaker 2 55:12

Well, absolutely In the boson. Higgs is really a field and so that's like you said, particles in the sense. So they get funding and stuff.

Speaker 1 55:22

Oh, I see.

Speaker 2 55:23

So this is like they hit on it. Now, this is a science behind what they're finding. I think you'll find it Like this is just very recent findings.

Speaker 1 55:34

Yeah, what? The Bleep was a little outdated. But I also yeah, nislant was a little about you know, materialism, a little materialistic when it comes to manifestation, that sort of thing. Anyway, I'll check it out. Yeah, we can even put the link in the in the bio if you want. But anyway, you mentioned plants, my the, by the way.

Speaker 1 55:54

The animals in my dream lent themselves to some research to. They were seemed invented and I'll just tell you real quick. So you were in it, actually'll just tell you it real quick. So you were in it. Actually you weren't in it, but we were talking about you.

Speaker 1 56:10

So Dave and Sherry were living, and that's the for our listeners, if you're even still there, sherry is the mother of my godson. So Sherry and Dave and Jasper were living in a little town, and I'm not going to remember it wasn't Markleyville, but it was a lot like that. They were living right on the edge of town, at the Timberline, and then for some reason you were in Tahoe, in the city, which you normally wouldn't be right, and you were teaching, so that came up somehow. But then I was with Sherry and Dave, we were in a little handy mart and we were in line and this doesn't matter so much to the dream, but the cashier seemed to know everybody. So it was moving very slowly because there was kind of some gossip going around Anyway. And then we ended up back at their house and it was kind of a combination of places Sherry has lived that I've heard about or been to, but it was kind of cool on the edge of town, right at the timber line. But the thing that wasn't normal was there was the kind of these huge floor-to-ceiling glass windows and maybe even on two sides of the building. So it was almost like looking into it felt like a display at the zoo, you know like, because two sides of the building looked out into this particular patch of forest. So all I can say is it was very enclosed. It wasn't, it was ambient light, there was no direct light. It was kind of magical, almost like there was snow or just kind of a white ambiance bouncing around, but maybe little patches of snow. Anyway, it just felt very enclosed, like an exhibit at the zoo, patches of snow, anyway, it just felt very enclosed, like an exhibit at the zoo.

Dream Analysis and Philosophical Discussions

Speaker 1 57:44

Anyways, I'm talking to Sherry and Dave and Jasper and animals just started peering outside the window and yes, the usual suspects, like I'm sure there was a squirrel and a raccoon and things you might expect, but then there was like a bear and then another bear, but they were prehistoric, like huge prehistoric bears. That's why I said later I actually googled it to see what they looked like, but I just knew it was a very like a prehistoric bear and then, um, a gorilla like, and it wasn't like the bears were a little menacing, but the gorilla was just kind of goofy and just there. He wasn't like a plot point, he was just making a cameo. Anyway, at some point Cheddar and Jasper I mean not Jasper, cheddar and Bowie were just out there and that's their dog and my dog and I suddenly was worried for Bowie.

Speaker 1 58:37

So I think Dave went out first and I followed him and at one point Bowie was barking at one of those big bears, but I kind of knew he could take care of himself. He was just barking at it. Anyway, we get out there and now Bowie has gone down the hill because everything was kind of going downward into a pit that was out of view. So this is significant. I was worried about Bowie. I start going after him and now I'm slipping down the hill into this pit Interesting right, pit interesting right very yeah anyway, and the animals are still there.

Speaker 1 59:04

They're just hanging out and I'm just kind of slipping down this hill, but then two of the huge priest, oh, and there was one other animal that I I did look up and I kind of found it online. It felt like a prehistoric version of a goat, but huge and solid, white and shaggy, so I wasn't yak. Well, I looked up a bunch of animals and that's why I settled on prehistoric, because it felt like, yeah, an early yak or something, but it was. It was very whimsical and very invented. You know, the horns weren't as pronounced as it would be on a yak, but it was just furry and white, which is significant, right, and uh, it just felt prehistoric, felt ancient, but I did. So.

Speaker 1 59:47

I never found the exact prehistoric animal, but I did find mythologous and I'll show them to you later. I found certain mythological creatures that were exactly what I saw in my dream. Oh yeah, that was a trip, uh, but anyway, so we're at the very end of the dream, as I'm slipping down the hill, these two bears start encroaching on me and it was the feeling that was more significant than anything. I was like, well, I want to be, I want this to be a kumbaya moment, right, and I want them to feel uh, benign, is that the word?

Speaker 1 1:00:17

or non-threatening, or you know yeah like the love at the core of I. Just I wanted to connect with nature and I wanted it to be a positive experience. But as he gets closer, he's like sniffing and I just didn't know which way it was going to go. I was like I could become bear food, we don't know and I woke up oh, yeah, yeah, there's so much in that yeah, I just thought it would be a trip if, like you said, animals sometimes visit you.

Speaker 1 1:00:49

Well, you got the bird and the butterfly, I got the much bigger, seemingly more menacing animals yeah, and you got in the dream world, yeah that's right, yours were in person.

Speaker 2 1:01:03

I mean like a singing telegram. It came into the house. You know you might be the white furry goat-like creature you know.

Speaker 1 1:01:17

Well, thank you for saying that.

Speaker 2 1:01:19

Yeah, I mean my, you know. Yeah, that sounds so interesting how the bear sniffed you when you woke up, which seems real, you know.

Speaker 1 1:01:30

It was very vivid. Yes, well, here's what else you know. They do say like with a good novel, think of all the characters as aspects of your psyche or aspects of you. So I think I was maybe all of those creatures. I was the goofy gorilla and the whimsical goat thing.

Speaker 2 1:01:48

I don't know.

Speaker 1 1:01:49

You tell me.

Speaker 2 1:01:51

Yeah, I just think it's funny. Dave went out first you go.

Speaker 1 1:01:56

No, Dave went ahead of me.

Speaker 2 1:01:58

No, that's what I mean. It's like, okay, go ahead, dave the two big bears, the gorilla. It's like okay, go ahead, dave the two big bears and Gorilla, it will be fine.

Speaker 1 1:02:05

Yeah, I don't know what the significance of. I only remember that he went first because I said it right away when I was groggy I had just woken up out of it. But anyway, the more pronounced thing to me was just that theme of like is it? You know how Albert Einstein said the most significant question you can ask yourself is do I live in it? What were the words? Friendly universe or a hostile one?

Speaker 2 1:02:29

I am, I'm unsure, but I don't know. I'm not, I don't know, it wasn't friendly but you get the idea.

Speaker 1 1:02:34

It was like benevolent that's the word a benevolent universe or a hostile one, and so that's how I felt with the bears coming and they were sniffing like they were interested, but I was like, yeah, they could just be hungry, I don't know.

Speaker 2 1:02:48

Yeah, and it's also your choice.

Speaker 1 1:02:51

Yeah, exactly, it was like a Rorschach test. Yeah.

Speaker 2 1:02:54

You know, do you want? It's up to you, Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 1:02:58

Yeah, and I didn't wake up like sweating. My heart wasn't beating, it was just like, okay, I was presented with the option and then I woke up out of it. Anyway, there's probably nowhere to go with that yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 1:03:11

and I'll just comment one other thing, and I know this is like super long, everything but um, when I say it's up to you, in the sense, when you're talking about what Albert Einstein said, right, it's literally our choice.

Speaker 1 1:03:30

I agree, yeah, because it's that empty void in the bubble. Well, I I sometimes feel like there is love at the core of the universe. When you, right, extract mind and ego from our thought forms, there really is love. But then if you buy the Darwinian thing which really took over, right, the public imagination for so long, which, Lamarck, he's been exonerated, right. Do you know, Lamarck?

Speaker 2 1:03:54

The scientist.

Speaker 1 1:03:56

Yeah, Like he predates Darwin. But his idea was there's more symbiosis than there is competition.

Speaker 2 1:04:06

Oh, absolutely, darwin. But his idea was there's more symbiosis than there is competition. Oh, absolutely. And you know the um origin of a species. Darwin wrote at the end collaboration is the best thing for humanity. As we took, we others took Darwin's work out of context and then put it on to social and I think it was Spencer into the social sciences, and then it just took off in our, our narrative of humanity.

Speaker 1 1:04:32

Exactly With capitalism in mind and manifest destiny. Right it was that whole imperialist peak, so it suited right. It suited us to say, oh, survival of the fittest, when actually was survival of the most adaptable.

Speaker 2 1:04:48

Yes, and for humans the most collaborative.

Speaker 1 1:04:52

Beautiful. Yeah, I do think that's making a comeback, that kind of thinking, right.

Speaker 2 1:04:57

Yeah, and Darwin wrote it himself, you know. But do you have to read Origin of a Species? At least you know.

Speaker 1 1:05:07

I think somebody, maybe you, said this on the last podcast but very few references in that book to competition.

Speaker 2 1:05:16

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And then you got like it's a time of eugenics. It was used for that and all that stuff, but it was totally out of eugenics.

Speaker 1 1:05:24

It was used for that and all that stuff, but it was totally out of context, yep, and anyway, check out Lamarck, because I read that I'm like I want to sign up for his religion. It's, I like it way better than what we've done with Darwinian theory. You know, it's not the word, it's kind of like the Bible. The word itself is pretty solid. It's just what we do with it.

Speaker 2 1:05:43

Oh, definitely. Oh yeah, there's so much, nick, we can just keep on talking.

Speaker 1 1:05:47

I know I'm going to edit this down because I think there are some good snippets in here, but I'm going to, yeah, probably do some heavy editing.

Speaker 2 1:05:54

Yeah, because.

Speaker 2 1:05:54

I think of like Christ and had nothing to do with the Bible. Christ was like an Essene. You know, a Nazarene, a scene the scenes had access to. They were scholars, you know, they had access to information from the West, the East, I don't know that word. What is a scene? What does that mean? A scene is, um, it's a group, like a group of people, uh, like, uh, I guess, a philosophy. Philosophy, a belief system, a worldview. Um, so they lived in nature, they were vegetarians. Um, they were also nazarene nazar, you know they say jesus of nazar, that's where he was from and nazarene's from that place. But they were in that area. They were what you call Essenes. That was their philosophical view of the world and how they lived. They were kind of living on the outside society in a way.

Speaker 1 1:06:56

Like the Bedouins, like a tribe.

Speaker 2 1:06:59

The Bedouins live outside of the social structures, yeah, yeah, the bedouins live outside of the social structures, yeah, yeah, and, and you know, christ was jewish, but, and with this background of philosophy, and they didn't want, didn't want to do any harm, and that makes me think of the because buddhism and yoga, which came way before, it makes me think of the concept of a hamster, you know, or a hamster, and when you do no harm and you know, so, not eating meat's, part of that and all this stuff, so they had access to, they were serious scholars too.

Speaker 1 1:07:32

well, there's, there's a whole school of thought too that, um, you know, there's a lot of time that's unaccounted for in the bible, right during christ's upbringing. And so have you heard that theory that, like, oh, the wise men came from the east for a reason, because he actually spent time and that's where he got a lot of his principles from back east oh, yeah, I've heard, yeah, and I I think that makes a lot of sense and I just read this thing today.

Speaker 2 1:07:56

They uh, some archaeologists, they found um writings that were tucked away in some museum because they thought it was just writings during the time of or after Christ, but close enough in history to have information on his young childhood. And it was just tucked away in a museum and it was just deciphered like today or yesterday or something?

Speaker 1 1:08:18

Does it confirm that idea or?

Speaker 2 1:08:22

I haven't, you know, I just got bleep. I don't think they've it's been. I didn't read a whole the whole thing. You know, I didn't read what they actually found. It was just like a little beep in the science news, kind of thing well, I think we can agree.

Speaker 1 1:08:36

The word is he's a cool dude. Right, christ was pretty damn cool and his message was pretty cool, but of course, over the years, institutionalized religion might have bastardized the original tenets. But I did at one point think, you know, I so admire what I understand about christ. I'm gonna find out, actually, what came out of his mouth. Right, you still have the process of canonization and the early church and you know they picked right, leave this book in, but not that one, the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Gospel of Judah and all these things that got left out.

Speaker 1 1:09:15

I think it was definitely whatever served. The power structures of controlling the populace and the church was part of that. However, you know, the power structures controlling the populace and the church was part of that. However, I had this fantasy that actually everything was pretty solid that came out of his mouth. I'm going to find out.

Speaker 1 1:09:35

So here's I got this book called something like just Jesus, and you do jazz hands when you say that just Jesus and it was literally only things, only quotes from his mouth, like none of the added stuff, and I was like, hmm, it kind of confirmed my hunch that he was on it and you know, even Matthew, mark, luke and John told versions of the story, the gospel, that suited their readership, whether it was a pagan readership or a Jewish one. Right, and so I always accounted for the insufficiency of language, the cultural relativity of these different interpretations of the Bible and again, the agenda. But I was a little disappointed because there were some problematic things, even stuff that came supposedly came out of his mouth at the Sermon on the Mount, and you know different, different parts of the Bible. Have you ever read just the words of Christ?

Speaker 2 1:10:26

I have not read that book. I read the Sermon on the Mount. That's probably my favorite. I there was one point in my life in my early twenties. I'm like I should just read this whole thing.

Speaker 1 1:10:36

The Bibles.

Speaker 2 1:10:37

The Bible, the whole thing. I did it. Are you serious? I'm totally serious, you're my idol, you're my idol. You know, in the Old Testament there's a lot of you know, father of this and you know a lot of killing and bloodshed. And yeah, yeah, so, because I was just what is this book that has influenced so much influence on our society?

Speaker 1 1:11:07

Were you disowned from the family when you read it? Oh no, Cause you're Christian on one side right, oh yeah, yeah, and the Torah is.

Speaker 2 1:11:16

There's a lot in the new Testament. I mean in the Torah and you know it's basically a Hebrew story in a way that the old testament, um, I mean there's a lot in it, not just hebrew. There's a lot of different groups in there, but, um, no, because my parents on both sides they weren't really, you know, religious at all. We just did some things and then, um, my great aunts and uncles and stuff, I got more of the traditional stuff on both sides, but yeah, I have a.

Speaker 1 1:11:54

Well, all my friends are Jewish. Let's just be clear. I don't know why I didn't plan it that way, but one of them is a Jew for Jesus. She has a huge crush on Jesus. That's how I met her. We were in Jesus Christ Superstar together. But anyway, yeah, I admire you. It's a goal of mine to read it cover to cover. You know, I know, of course, from Moana's, I know the ones I memorized, but I have not read it cover to cover. And it's a goal. But I admire you. And I have a friend that, literally at the age of 75, with all the you know, I don't know, strife in the middle East and the two state solution, fantasy and all of that, she said you know what? I'm just going to read the Quran and see what all the fuss is about. And she read it cover to cover at like 70, whatever.

Speaker 2 1:12:40

Yeah, beautiful, yeah, yeah, yeah, beautiful yeah, yeah, and the irony is everybody's cousins and in the quran that jesus was a still a prophet, you know?

Speaker 1 1:12:52

I mean like so much shared territory yes, so much so much. Okay, this is a fish. I think we've talked about everything now oh no, I could keep going god love us.

Speaker 3 1:13:07

We should probably get drunk next time and see what happens well, I say, I don't think we can keep talking forever, because I know we uh do have our limit on our I know, and I figured I actually figured you had checked out by now.

Speaker 1 1:13:20

Um, thank you so much. I will edit this. I promise everybody. Um, but anyway, let's do an outro, just so I have something to edit at the end.

Speaker 2 1:13:30

Thank you, rosalyn yes, oh, you're so welcome.

Speaker 1 1:13:34

Yeah, it was fun I agree, and I look forward to the written part. I feel like we covered a lot, though, and I hope it was remotely interesting, but I do know so much time went into that, so thank you, thank you, thank you. I'm going to continue thinking about it and I look forward to the rest of the part. Thank you.

Speaker 2 1:13:50

Yes, I will email. I didn't like finish it, so I'll email it to you.

Speaker 1 1:13:53

Yeah, no, hurry at all, yeah okay. All right, thank you, virginia. Listeners, remember, life is story and we can get our hands in the clay, individually and collectively. We can write our own story. See you next time.