Harnessing Intuition with Psychic Medium Cheryl Murphy

What if you could harness the power of your intuition like training a muscle? Join us as we explore this intriguing concept with Cheryl Murphy, an esteemed evidential medium and psychic. Cheryl shares her journey of connecting individuals to their inner light through clairvoyance and mediumship. Her insights into how storytelling can empower others to trust their own intuition provide valuable perspectives on personal growth. Discover how nurturing these intuitive abilities can be a transformative experience, offering a path to realizing one's full potential.

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Intuition and Psychic Medium Work

Speaker 1 0:45

Cheryl Murphy is an accomplished evidential medium and psychic who has studied metaphysics for over 20 years. She has oriented her practice as a spiritual medium toward channeling departed loved ones and helping people make life's important decisions. Cheryl is an ordained minister, certified hypnotherapist and a health and wellness intuitive. She founded the Healing Prayer Circle and is a contributing author to the Last Breath, true Stories of Mediumship, the Afterlife and Messages from Heaven. Cheryl aims to connect people with their inner light and intuitive abilities. Sign up for Cheryl's free intuitive psychic abilities test at wwwmediumcherylcom. Cheryl also has a podcast of her own titled Seeing Beyond Living Transformed.

Speaker 1 1:34

Okay, and I'm going to go on. This is going to be a slightly longer bio than normal because basically in my experience, terminology becomes really important when discussing especially things that society has traditionally been dismissing as fringe or new age or frou-frou. I notice often terms get kind of conflated. So I'm going to read a section from your website. Is it here? Yeah, defining some terms for myself and our listeners, just to inform our discussion. The about section of your website really kind of explained what skill sets you bring to the table in your practice.

Speaker 1 2:08

A clairvoyant psychic medium is someone who sees information in a person's energy field in order to provide psychic readings. In addition to personal information and intuitions, she he is also able to receive information about loved ones who have passed over. It is really three gifts that are orchestrated together to bring forth information, to assist in guidance and clarity, for a clear and joyful vision, to gain insight, information and support for growth and happiness. Being a clairvoyant, I see colors, pictures or moving pictures, just like a movie screen to help me describe the information that is most helpful to you. Being a psychic, I am aware of energies around the body in the auric field. I am also a medium, which means I connect with people that have passed to the other side.

Speaker 1 2:54

My mediumship skills allow me to connect with your loved ones. They usually stand behind you and sometimes they sit next to you. I see them as a silhouette of vibration. Usually I can see what types of clothes they are wearing and their mannerisms. These characteristics help to confirm their presence. Their personalities are the same as when they were in physical form. When I communicate with your loved ones, they have immense love for you and want you to know they made it to the other side and are okay. Welcome, cheryl Murphy. Hi.

Speaker 2 3:25

How are you, Dominique? Very nice to meet you.

Speaker 3 3:28

Hi Cheryl, how are you? Hi? Good afternoon, how are?

Speaker 2 3:30

you, dominique, very nice to meet you. Hi. Cheryl, how are you Hi? Good afternoon, how are you Good?

Speaker 1 3:34

The first one is going to be a rote question that we've now speaking of, kind of retooling yourself in the new season. We've been asking rote questions of our guests just to keep things on brand and under the umbrella of story. So, in the spirit of our podcast, which of course is about the cultural impact of storytelling in all its forms, and that goes for the micro and the macro level, and I love that you seem to use the word transformation quite a bit in what I was able to research about you so in that spirit that we're all about story in its many forms and it is so vast life is story, as we say every week. So vast Life is story, as we say every week. How would you say story informs your practice, or your world, your life.

Speaker 2 4:16

You know, when people come to me they have a need, and usually they're guided by spirit, and what I do as a medium is to really connect them with their own inner light or their own higher guidance system. You know, and I love to empower people it's really my goal to either bring through, you know, confirmation or validation of what they are already getting intuitively. And that's the thing is, you know, people are not sure if they're intuitive. Or how do you develop, how do you tune into your own intuition? And so that's my goal as a medium, a psychic, is to really open people, or open the door, put them on their path of knowing that you know the answers are right before them. And it is about following those hunches, you know, following those intuitive voices, so to speak, which is always the first voice, that really quiet voice that tells us the answer. But then we wait a few seconds and the next voice comes in the ego, and that just provides that doubt. So really, you want to listen to that first voice, Love it.

Speaker 1 5:32

Yes, I think we could all trust our gut right. But I guess that is a good lead into one of the rote questions I wanted to ask you. You probably hear it a lot, but you know to what degree do we all have innate intuition, and is it a muscle we can all develop, or are there you you know, degrees of talent, like in most fields? Do we all innately have the same potential and capacity, and is it a muscle we can flex, or do individuals do you know what I mean have a gift in some way?

Speaker 2 6:02

well, I, I believe probably both. I believe we can always develop our intuition and practice it. And I do believe some people maybe it's just more naturally available through their life experiences growing up, or maybe they've had something open up for them, for example, and in some way it is more available to some people naturally. But I think that goes for a lot of things like playing the piano right Sometimes some people are just better at it, or they find it easier for them.

Speaker 1 6:36

Well, there's so many variables too. It's like maybe you were given permission to do it in your household, you know, or your milieu, whatever it is societal, you know. Norms differ from region to region, and there's so many variables that maybe you are allowed to be in touch with those gifts, whereas in other regions or households it might've been shamed. Right, and it does go for creative efforts as well as intuition.

Speaker 2 7:00

Absolutely, and that's what happened with me is growing up, it was a natural conversation to have you know around the dinner table, so to speak. My mother grew up psychic and so naturally, our loved ones, aunts, grandmothers, the women side of our family very in tune with intuition, with ability, and for myself, my mother always encouraged it. So for me it is more natural, and it is that muscle that you're talking about, where people, we want to teach people to open it and close it right. You want to open that muscle, just like going to the gym, you want to do a good workout and then you come home and rest right and then, and then the muscle builds, and also that intuitive muscle builds as well.

Speaker 1 7:48

I heard the rest. You know I work out, so I'm very aware of you. Right, you got to rest in between your workouts and there's different schools of thought all the time. It's sort of a cottage industry, right? Do you wait 24 hours or 48 hours, you know, between working out a certain body part, for example? So why would you turn off your intuition? Is it a protective mechanism, so that you're not walking around with a thin skin and absorbing energetic, non-local communication all day, every day? Is it protective? Or why do you need the downtime?

Speaker 2 8:15

Yeah, it's certainly part of it. It's because you can really open up your energy field to be in everyone else's energy, so to speak, and that can be draining or tiring after a while. Also, you want to maintain your spiritual health and fitness, so to speak, your energy. We don't want to walk around tired, we don't want to walk around so sensitive that we you know, sometimes you can be overly sensitive and maybe take things personally. But yeah, you do personally. But yeah, you do want to kind of learn to open and close and it is through that process or that practice that you find out that you do have a lot of energy, when you can somehow connect with spirit, when you ask for guidance, even in prayer and meditation. I think that's so important to opening that muscle.

Speaker 1 9:08

I love it. It sounds a little bit like learning to have some discipline in your gifts, right? So I mean, on that note, I don't know if this is going to fly or not, but I have noticed everybody's a narcissist, right? If you go on the internet, right? Instead of taking responsibility if you don't like somebody's point of view, oh, they're a narcissist. The other buzzword of the day is empath. So that does I've heard myself, just in my mind. I don't often share it, but I think, okay, so you're human, great. So, like now, kind of grow up and learn to not have that thin skin or to separate your stuff from other people's stuff, as we said. You know, I think I don't know that anyone's. Do you believe in the word empath? Let's put it that way.

Exploring Empathy and Intuition

Speaker 2 9:53

Yeah, I do believe in the word empath and I believe that the spiritual awakening that's happening even in this moment people are having, they're opening up to their higher sensitivities and some people are not even sure what's happening with them. They're just, they just know they're over emotionalemotional, so to speak. But it is that empathic ability that we all have and we do need to practice self-care, we need to learn to set boundaries. And maybe that's where that narcissistic person comes in is because in some way, I believe narcissism right, Because in some way I believe narcissism right, they maybe even look for empaths, because empaths go out and want to help everyone, Right, you know.

Speaker 1 10:37

Well, on that note it's. I don't know if you've heard of peptide addictions, but it's the same phenomenon of, like you know, a codependent will find an alcoholic across the room at a party because you are addicted to those particular peptides, and it's magical the way it happens. So, yeah, you're not. I really only brought up the narcissist, uh I guess buzzword because it is uh so prevalent in pop culture, but I do. I agree with you. It's a good thing that we're having these conversations, that, and that there's no shame attached to saying I'm an empath, whereas there might have been before it became a cultural priority, you know. But I just was hinting that I feel, until you, like you said, they don't really know what they're dealing with, because it takes time to get to know who you are and how to wrangle your innate gifts. So I just think early on you might identify as an empath and later, when you gain control over your gifts, you might put it in different terms. That's what I was hinting at.

Speaker 2 11:32

Yeah, and you know, being an empath is really, it's really a gift, or it is about learning to explore your own energy field and right, when people are opening up because people ask right, people are asking to be more intuitive, they want to be psychic or open up that clairvoyance, that third eye. And you know you have to understand that you will become more sensitive when you begin practicing this. And it is about self-development and personal development as well. You know the work that I do. It's not the answer for everybody and it's certainly not a therapy type of a session. So I always encourage that self-care or self-development along the way. Having said that, it is a beautiful companion, or it is a beautiful ability that strengthens our intuition, where we can live more of a joyful life or even manifest more of what we want to in life.

Speaker 1 12:30

It almost seems like you're creating, you're making it a gift and not a liability, right. And once you kind of it's on your radar and you make it a priority, what you put your attention on grows right. So once you start nurturing it, that's maybe when you have to figure out am I going to turn this into a gift or is it going to remain a liability in some way?

Speaker 2 12:49

Hey, right, and you know it's a practice. It's a practice and developing it is a practice. And some people want to sit down, you know, in one hour and have everything be correct for them as far as being a psychic or being a medium. But no, it takes practice, it takes discipline, it takes discernment. You know it has to be ethical and it has to be setting the intention. We have to understand that. Why are we doing this? Right? We for others really to bring this beautiful connection with this intelligence of the spirit world, because they're very intelligent. It is about bridging that inner information and opening other people up in a safe way, right? Not bringing any. There shouldn't really be any fear when people are opening up around being a psychic or a medium. But there is. There is because of you know it's taboo, you know even that word.

Speaker 1 13:55

Right right.

Speaker 2 13:57

Yeah.

Speaker 1 13:57

Yeah, it's funny how well we had a, I guess a tech, a nun, turned mindfulness coach in the tech world, in the corporate arena. And mindfulness is the new spirituality. By the way and I've always joked, you know I say, oh, don't worry if I use the word spiritual, I'm talking about Oprah's spirituality, like the non-threatening, mainstream one, and it's more palatable for people somehow, you know.

Speaker 3 14:24

Well, and I was going to say sometimes you know, as you said, you know right now, some of the words that we're hearing out there is, you know, empath and narcissist. You know. And then you're talking about how we say you know we'll go into talking to a psychic or medium and stuff, how sometimes people don't want to talk about that because they'll still they'll use like I've turned to be more mindful because it's taboo. I mean, these are kind of the cultural stories we tell ourselves.

Speaker 3 14:51

Yes yes, so it goes right back to the whole premise of what we always talk about, which is, again, that macro, micro level of our inner stories and our outer stories, both in the external and internal worlds that we live in consistently.

Speaker 2 15:08

We were all born the same. We all have the same ability. We all have the same amount of intuition. Not one person has more or less and we all have those beautiful hearts of ours, but they get wounded along the way in childhood. What have you? And we have life experiences that shape our lives and you know some of us need more healing than others. And some of the most prominent intuitives, you know, have really sometimes difficult challenges in their life. They have tough lives but they are opening up to be amazing individuals that become the world's you know best teachers in what they study because they've been through it.

Speaker 1 15:52

Oh, yeah, yeah Well, and sometimes you need those come to Jesus moments or those you know what do we call it? Existential crises or the dark night of the soul, or whatever that challenge is that puts you on your path. I feel like we're all just lumps of clay and sometimes our experiences mold us to be our best selves. I mean to make it really empirical. I've said in the book and on the podcast you know we are wired to sort of join in the march toward human potential by being our best selves. Epigenetics kind of laid it out that way. So sometimes it takes those nudges right from the universe in the form of challenges.

Speaker 1 16:31

But on that note I would say is was there a distinct moment for you? Again, we have a lot of guests and it's so fascinating to hear the universals in the hero's journey. To tie back to story, virginia, you know the universals milestones but also the different forms they take, and you know all of our spiritual lessons come in different order. It just looks different on different people. But I'm always fascinated when, again, denise Piles, the nun, said oh, I knew at seven that that was my calling. And Joan Chidester, another nun that I listened to, said absolutely, I was at a funeral and I was fascinated by the nuns and I said who are those ladies? I want to be that. So Anna Moriah Carey came out of the womb with a microphone in her hand. You know it's fascinating when you know so early on. So was there a distinct moment for you when you found that it was a calling or even kind of knew that was the direction you wanted to?

Speaker 2 17:20

go. You know there were several. There were several experiences that I had. I saw spirit at three years old or, you know, very, very young, when I was still in the crib, so to speak, or very much as a beautiful golden globe, like. I've always had this love relationship with spirit, feeling that they're supportive. So I saw that beautiful ball of golden light, you know, at a very, very young age. And then, you know, growing up in my teens, I knew I wanted to study this. I knew I wanted to help people, answer those questions that they were all asking. And then it wasn't until, you know, my late 20s, so to speak, that angels actually came.

Speaker 2 17:57

I had this amazing awakening experience in the middle of my home. I'm in the living room and this amazing angels come to me. They're beautiful, tall, once again, lights of beautiful white light come to me. They're beautiful, tall, once again, lights of beautiful white light. It's as if they picked me up by my t-shirt and dropped me in a lifeboat and said we need yeah, we're saving your life right, because we need you to help us. We want to get our voice out there and we need you to help us and we're going to help you. You know, reach more people Cause I wasn't doing it full time yet.

Speaker 2 18:29

It was always like a weekend or, you know, an evening practice. I was doing it part time this work, and it wasn't until I had that moment, that awakening with the angels, that I stepped into saying, okay, well, here we go, and within three days, it's almost as if you know it's the synchronicity I have to say. It's that putting the right people started coming to me the helping me with business, helping me reach people, helping me how am I going to bring them into my home or work with them? You know, via phone call, but it is amazing synchronicities that have happened to me since.

Speaker 1 19:04

And then that's kind of what I meant by once something's on your radar or you know, it is the nature of manifestation what you put your attention on grows. But I sorry to interrupt you, but it's a beautiful image and thanks for sharing that. It does remind, like in all of this, though a little bit, what I'm hearing is I love that the calling came to you as a way to serve. Initially, not a way to wield power or to manifest for personal gain, if that makes sense, but as a service. So do you know? Michael Beckwith, agape Church.

Speaker 2 19:35

Yes, I love Michael.

Speaker 1 19:36

I adore him and he gets me up in the morning, but he talks about, you know, different stages of consciousness. It's just his terminology. But in Life, visioning his book, he talks about first of all victim consciousness, right, oh, my circumstances and conditions account for my limitations in life, or the fact that I don't have inner peace, tranquility, whatever it is. You know, you just blame your laundry list of grievances. But then when you do learn to manifest, like we're kind of talking about here, it can be for material gain, right, and or, I don't know, power. Maybe it's not necessarily toward the end of servicing humankind, you know. But then the next one would be where the ego comes out of the equation and you learn to manifest, maybe for the right reasons. But I like that your calling was initially in the context of service. Does that make sense?

Speaker 2 20:27

It does, and you know that is it actually raising the level of consciousness is what you're talking about. It's about working in these higher chakra areas, the upper trinity, so to speak, the heart, the fifth, sixth, seventh chakra. It is about being of service and having humility and really about kindness, right? So you see what's lacking in the world or things that we do need to put our focus on and put our attention on. But yes, mine's always been working for the angels, so to speak, or working for the voice of the spirit world. I'm delivering their message and I step out of the way, so to speak. I bring through their voice. So really, that's who I work for. It's their need that wants to come through, and we all have angels and guides and departed loved ones in spirit. So really it is about bringing that voice, or bringing that essence of the spirit world through.

Speaker 1 21:24

Beautiful, well, maybe now is a good time to define some terms. Hmm, beautiful, well, maybe now is a good time to define some terms. So, in your practice specifically, you do identify as an evidential psychic. Is that right?

Speaker 2 21:35

I'm an evidential medium.

Speaker 1 21:37

Medium sorry.

Speaker 2 21:42

Which means and you're clairvoyant, right third eye, with that fifth chakra on the forehead. Clairvoyance is all about having vision, or seeing for yourself, seeing for others. It's about seeing what's down the road, or seeing even in the energy field. And you know things in what I do with my psychic abilities is we understand that we can have those experiences subjectively. We understand that we can have those experiences subjectively so I can see in my mind's eye what's happening, or an image that I'm seeing for you. So subjectively, and then also objectively, I could actually, and many people can, see the spirit world. Or we see flashes of light right, or we see a shadow go by us, or we see, you know, even a silhouette of an angel, so to speak. So everything is subjectively and objectively as well. But yeah, clairvoyance is inner sight, inner vision, and then in my evidential mediumship I bring through information from the departed loved ones that people can validate, they can confirm.

Speaker 1 22:48

Oh, that's, I guess, why I thought maybe you were an evidential psychic, because it seems like that is. You know, one of the characteristics is that it can be validated by the patron. Is that the word?

Mediumship and Clair Abilities

Speaker 2 23:00

True, true, absolutely. A patron, the client, the sitter is also another term that we use, but, yes, absolutely so. What I do in my work is I work with the energy field of the person and then also work with the energy field of the departed loved one.

Speaker 1 23:17

Out of curiosity, I'm going to play the real mainstream listener here and say you know, I've been lucky enough to have been exposed to some real intuitives in my life. But you know, tyler is that his name? Tyler Perry? He's got like my goat like in terms of how a reading goes down. Now he tends to he draws right to access his intuition, which I love. Being an artist, I love that idea. I'm guessing that he's accessing the right brain, but also he likes to have objects, to have objects from the departed to hold. How do you approach a reading? What exactly goes down?

Speaker 2 23:58

Right Tyler Henry. Right Henry.

Speaker 1 23:59

I'm sorry. Why did I get Perry? Is that a filmmaker? There's a.

Speaker 2 24:02

Tyler Perry.

Speaker 1 24:02

Okay, all right.

Speaker 2 24:04

But there's Tyler Henry and yes, he uses something called psychometry, which is holding an object. So we're reading an object, whether he's reading a piece of jewelry, which I have done many times also but we read an object from a departed loved one. We can hold their watch or hold their earrings or something, anything really that belonged to them, because everything holds energy. And he also, like you said, he doodles or he scratches, he draws on the paper to distract the conscious mind, so it allows the intuitive or the spirit mind to actually come through and for that flow to increase. So for what I do is I really allow the spirit to, I feel them really, I sense them through my clairsentience, so I'm sensing their presence come through. Or I hear, I use my clairaudience to hear things, and I'm sure Tyler is clairaudient also and clairsentient, but it's using our clairs. So we use our different abilities of hearing, of feeling, of sensing the spirit world.

Speaker 1 25:13

Love it. Wow, I just realized Crystal Perry was the other evidential psychic we've had on. Is that right, Virginia?

Speaker 3 25:19

Yes, yes, that's where I got the Perry from. That's where you got the Perry from.

Speaker 1 25:23

Yeah, she very much distinguished between clairaudient, clairsentient and clairvoyant. So thanks again for the listeners and me. Thank you for clarifying that. God, it's fascinating.

Speaker 2 25:34

And there's more. There's clairalliance, which is, you know, smelling. So you could smell. If someone, if your departed loved ones, for example, smoked all the time, that would be validation that the sitter could take. Or you could smell flowers Perhaps they had flowers all the time. And then Claire Gustance is tasting, you know, maybe you could taste grandma's famous pasta sauce, for example.

Speaker 1 25:59

It would be lasagna.

Speaker 2 26:00

Yeah, it would be.

Speaker 1 26:01

Only she's still alive. She's 93 and she'll never die.

Speaker 2 26:04

It's always using our physical senses to really open that up by raising our vibration to connect with spirit. Yeah.

Speaker 1 26:12

Whatever it takes.

Speaker 2 26:14

Whatever it takes.

Speaker 1 26:15

Well, and whatever I mean, do you find that different psychics lean toward clairaudient over clairsentient, or you know?

Speaker 2 26:24

Yes, and, for example, you know you're using Tyler Henry example. You know you're using Tyler Henry, so I would say the Long Island medium, for example, teresa Caputo. If you watch her she's very clairsentient, meaning she senses spirit, but she also hears them because you can watch her work and understand. So even when you watch people work Tyler Henry, other mediums you can understand how they're receiving their information and a lot of mediums will share with you during what the process is before they begin their work.

Speaker 1 26:56

Right, well, what is her name? Again the Long Island medium.

Speaker 2 27:00

Yeah, teresa Caputo.

Energetic Intention and Collective Healing

Speaker 1 27:01

I adore her, I love her, everything about her. But I do want to ask, since they came up, you know again, these are very mainstream examples that we all, for good or bad, we have tropes in our mind. As a result, right, do you find them to be a good representation or does it get sensationalized because it's entertainment? Do you feel for the mainstream that they represent the reality of the field?

Speaker 2 27:24

You know, overall it's a positive. You know, overall it's a positive because it starts the conversation and it's bringing awareness that people have and yes, some people have fear around the topic. But once again, it's through asking those questions and watching people or looking for other qualified mediums and intuitives such as myself or my colleagues that I would recommend it's people of high caliber that you can find information that's helpful, that's loving and that's supportive.

Speaker 1 28:00

Yeah, it starts the conversation. Sorry and maybe takes the fear out of it. Sorry, Virginia, go ahead.

Speaker 3 28:05

No, I was going to say it's true because I know. So I live like, because I'm in utah and I live in a, so a very religious state and and I'm in the southern half, so it's definitely very conservative in my half of the state.

Speaker 3 28:19

Um, because it's a more rural section of utah so salt lake's more has it's a little bit more open-minded it's. It's gotten more mainstream up there versus where I'm at and, um, I've noticed um in our uh newspaper and stuff they have which has, for me, has been very great Um, but they've have been starting to share like even like the moon phases and talking about like the super moons and stuff like that, and I love that because it is bringing that awareness and it is allowing those conversations to happen. It is allowing people to. You know, look beyond the typical things that we've been told. You know the things that we believe, the ideologies our own.

Speaker 3 29:10

You know, like you said, dominic, the tropes that we've been told our own. You know systematic biases on things I mean it's nice, I like that, and so I was kind of thinking the same thing, you know, because sometimes you wonder, does it affect you know in a negative way or a positive way when you're somebody who is in, that you know realm and culture and you, or is it a positive? I always kind of always wondered that you know what it's like being on the receiving end, when that is where you know your livelihood is. You know how it affects you in so many ways topic to have.

Speaker 2 30:07

I'm happy for you that it's coming in your area because the moon has so much energy to it and you and I, we all have more energy during certain times of the month. You know, the full moon for me is a very amplified time, Everything, like they say. Maybe the emergency rooms get a lot more patients on full moons or people. It's like it takes the emotions and really accelerates them on a full moon. Maybe more babies are born during a full moon when there's also the new moon, where this is a time for new beginnings or setting new contracts or new ventures. People get married on the new moon because it's a time of new beginnings, but people really step into their power and learning about those types of things like mother nature, the energy of the planet connecting with trees and the ocean, finding that within right, Because you always hear the universe is within. If you ever want to meditate on anything, you meditate on you being the universe.

Speaker 1 31:06

I love it. Wizard of Oz. Everything you need is in your own backyard.

Speaker 2 31:11

So true.

Speaker 1 31:11

There's so many ways of saying it. But now I have to ask one of the questions I have written down, because it seems like we're touching on astrology a little bit and interconnectivity a little bit. And you know we every week, right Virginia, we talk about the very empirical, newtonian ways in which we're all interconnected, right from entanglement to just non local energetic communication. So I'm going to try to ask my question, or preface my question, in the in the most graceful, least awkward way.

Speaker 1 31:40

But a big premise of my book is, you know, divisiveness seems to be the word of the day and it's very real. And so my contention is you can actually dissolve some of the divisiveness by understanding the role of semantics and perspective, right, you just shift your language a little bit and a lot of the seemingly opposing right or mutually exclusive ideas share a lot of common ground. Mutually exclusive ideas share a lot of common ground. So I don't know if I've lost you yet, but I think, like faith and or spirituality versus science, that is a ridiculous right Premise because it's just different terminology. So I do, on this podcast we've spent a lot of time kind of synthesizing or reconciling seemingly opposing thought forms when actually they're saying the exact same thing if you shift your vocabulary. So are you at all interested in using more Newtonian, empirical terms to explain what you do? Or is there no value to that really?

Speaker 2 32:37

Well, absolutely Well, look, metaphysics is, or I'll say, physics is catching up with metaphysics right.

Speaker 1 32:44

Yes, Quantum mechanics certainly is right.

Speaker 2 32:47

Quantum mechanics. I mean, if we pray, for example, you know that if people pray for other people to be well, it really does make a difference, right? And Dr Masuda Emoto talks about the hidden language of water, even where he took a glass of water and he had monks pray over it, and then he would photograph it and, you know, magnetize it, you know, thousands of times, and it would be this beautiful crystal where he would take another piece of water and put it maybe around an angry movie, so to speak, or some darkness, something, so to speak, negativity, and then he would magnetize that water drop and that look, yeah, sorry, was he in?

Speaker 1 33:31

what the bleep is he?

Speaker 2 33:33

Yes, what the bleep do? We know it's a beautiful and I think it's advanced.

Speaker 1 33:37

That was mid nineties, so his findings have probably gone off the charts by now, but that speaks to like the energetic connection of words and intention right. There's an energy to our thought forms and our feelings, is that right?

Speaker 2 33:50

Absolutely. And so coming back, you know, to circle, or back around to mediumship and being a psychic and healer, you know a lot of healers we set the intention. We always have to set the intention to be of service or for the highest good, for helping others, and that's where the energy goes right. As you mentioned, thought. Energy is going to follow thought. So where, why do we do this work? What is the intention? To work with someone else, what is it that you want to share or bring through? Like how, how is it that you can serve what they're looking for? If they're looking for help or guidance or healing, yeah, I love it.

Speaker 1 34:31

Yeah, there's so many every moment. Right, you have the I don't know. I've long held this premise. You can look at the psychological level of an exchange right or an interaction with somebody else and it's valid, but there's actually an energetic level driving all in my parlance, you know. So whether you look at the sociological implications or the anthropological or the psychological of a given moment, the bottom line is it's kind of all driven by the energy right, the thoughts and feelings and the energy they put out. So it might manifest, as I don't know, like a defense mechanism, a Freudian defense mechanism, but really it is energetic. So I think maybe we can help societally shift the focus to intention, as you're saying.

Speaker 2 35:15

And as we're moving towards that fifth dimension, so to speak, we are learning to be our own healer. Right, we're all advocating to learn to be your own healer, to work with your own energy, to maybe open up the mind and look outside either Western medicine or just look outside yourself and see what else is out there, that there are people you know, the acupuncture or energy healing that can really help people kind of step into more of a knowingness. As you mentioned, faith and trusting. It's about really stepping in and recognizing what your own energy field feels like.

Speaker 1 35:51

Well, I think we're learning because clearly the government can't solve our problems right and lawyers can't solve our problems. I think you know the pendulum's always swinging, but I see a steady arc, you know, arguably since the beginning of the age of Aquarius, but really since the early nineties when, you know, new age became a section in the bookstore and then all the talk shows, finally, you know, put it on display. I feel like there is an arc toward taking personal responsibility for what you manifest, if that makes sense, and part of it is politics. You know, we're not, we're realizing, we're not getting our answers from our leaders. So we have the personal power to right, at least have an awareness that our thoughts and feelings create the universe that we project. You know.

Speaker 2 36:37

Absolutely what's happening around you, or what's happening in front of you, or what's happening around this world. We all, hopefully, can take some responsibility or recognize that we can all add light to it, which means adding love, adding compassion, you know, adding kindness right, that golden rule but it is about bringing more of an understanding that you know we're all very different but yet we're all very much the same.

Speaker 1 37:05

Yeah, and one hopes the ripple effect plays its part too. Right, because we can work on ourselves till the cows come home. But if the real big bad world is at all real, like we all need to do our inner work in order to manifest, right, something other than a fascist dictatorship would be fine with me. But the collective reality, whether you see it in really stark terms or as a projection, either way, I do think all of our thought forms contribute to what it is we manifest on the macro level. I don't know if that makes I'm being intentionally vague, I guess.

Speaker 2 37:42

It's great because even just the thought of someone saying, okay, maybe there is something out there greater than me, just that one thought of someone who would never have thought that before opens thousands of doors or opens so much light for this world and for this planet. So I think sometimes we underestimate or people underestimate their power. So I think sometimes we underestimate or people underestimate their power, they underestimate their ability to, you know, transform or to transform the world. And that's really the goal of stepping into that fifth dimensional awareness is being more in that present moment or realizing that the power is here and that your power power meaning love, meaning inspiration, right, meaning, you know, faith and hope those are also high vibrational situations or belief systems to hold on to. Yeah, yes, really.

The Power of Transformation and Intuition

Speaker 1 38:41

Well, be the change you wish to see in the world. I always right, and Michael Jackson even said the man in the mirror. And sorry, virginia, I do repeat myself, but you know, during mid pandemic, when things did seem pretty grim as far as my relationship with the big bad world, whether it's real or not, you know, you gotta, I think everybody had a little bit of a nudge to uh figure out how the hell we got here like deers in the headlights, right, and I think some people took the opportunity to look within and maybe others not so much. But I know, in all of it I cited those you know be the change you wish to see in the world and the idea that if we all did our work then the ripple effect would actually play its part. And I was told it was very Pollyanna and I thought, but it always turns out to be true in the end, doesn't it?

Speaker 3 39:30

Well, it does, and I was, uh, as you've been talking about it, um. So I just recently was um reading about Gestalt, which is um a type of that Frederick Pearls developed, and it's all about manipulating your environment to basically bring about change. So, instead of waiting for external forces to bolster you, basically you manipulate your external forces to pull from resilience from within side to produce um maturation, so basically your own self, internal self-confidence. So, which is basically just another way of saying everything you both have just said. So there you go.

Speaker 1 40:23

I have a question, though. Like gestalt hints at this the whole is greater than the sum of its parts, right, that's one that's gestalt theory, which is different from gestalt therapy okay, so well, I guess my question was yeah, and it builds that that does come from gestalt therapy, that theory. But yes, yeah, the concept of gestalt as a term right. And even in art we talk a lot about sort of perceptual.

Speaker 3 40:55

Right.

Speaker 1 40:55

Gestalt studies are huge in design and you know even the idea of continuity or closure. Anyway, I won't go into design because we're going to lose some people. But my question is we've talked a little bit on this podcast about internal and external locus of control. Has that come up in your studies, virginia?

Speaker 3 41:14

Yes.

Speaker 1 41:15

Yeah, I'm wondering. So is that a gestalt concept or not? The idea that we again have the personal power to manifest or we are subject and victim to the circumstances and conditions, the forces of the external world, is that a gestalt concept or is that completely separate?

Speaker 3 41:31

It is, and that's the point of where you manipulate your external forces. So basically, we're in conversation.

Speaker 1 41:54

A is maybe true, so that's the reality. So I failed my test, but the nonsense is so therefore I'm stupid. I wonder, Cheryl, does that come up? Do you notice that in your clients, Like either they have a really strong external or internal locus of control, meaning they believe they have the power to again create their circumstances, stances and conditions, or whether they're subject to them?

Speaker 2 42:10

Well, that's the. You said it right there. Believe, that's the, believe is the. You know they don't believe, or they doubt, or they have large doubts, or, you know. I mean they don't believe that they have any intuition, or they don't believe that they're on the right path, or they don't believe that they deserve what you know to manifest even, or to have abundance of any kind, or monetarily even. So, yeah, it's words around belief, but right, and I think people are looking for more, you know how, to take more control over their life. They are looking for, you know, what can they do? You know?

Speaker 1 42:49

In your practice? Are you empowering them to do that by exploring their intuition?

Speaker 2 42:55

I am helping people. You know. If I could share a story with you, it's a great experience that happened with one of my clients. Yes, that is the answer, right. I am helping people find their inner light and their inner power.

Speaker 2 43:06

I had a client who had a car accident several years ago and he had been suffering with back pain and all that comes with a car accident. You know he couldn't go to work. He had been several months. He was on medication now for depression and once again pain, and he called me not knowing where to go. He tried many things. He's working with his doctors, doing the best he can.

Speaker 2 43:32

So what? My goal at that time? What I felt was to help open him up intuitively, to find out you know who his guides are, how are they helping him? Can he ask them for help? Can he find a way to bring understanding to why that even happened? That occurrence, and through working with him for several months, he was able to understand and touch base with his own higher self, his own higher guidance. With the help of his doctors, of course, he was able to reduce pain medication, right. Get off depression or at least decrease that as well. Hold a job you know, which is so important, right Young man are looking for also, this man's spirit in some way was crying out for help, so that I think in some way that's a real example of how tapping into your intuition can bring more understanding and healing, because you start bringing in you know help, so to speak. You start tapping into higher energy, awareness and understanding that you are more than that physical body.

Speaker 1 44:44

Beautiful.

Speaker 2 44:45

Yeah.

Speaker 1 44:46

I love it. Yeah, it is very story. We're seeing everything through the lens of story, so I love it's helping people reframe the stories they tell themselves about their world and how they interact in their world. It's really beautiful. Yeah, I'm just putting it a little bit in our terms, but I'm you're awesome. I have to ask you totally uh, off topic Do you ever get Katie Couric? Do people compare you to Katie Couric?

Speaker 2 45:11

Uh, I haven't heard that yet.

Speaker 1 45:12

Really, it could just be the video for our listeners where, where we don't always have video, but we do today. Yeah, you were really calming presence. I'm sure you've heard that.

Speaker 2 45:21

Well, thank you.

Speaker 1 45:22

Even remotely. Yeah, it's just a great energy. Well, thank you, even remotely, yeah, it's just a great energy. I'm wondering. You know Virginia and I have both lost. We've had a lot of people pass recently and actually my mom just passed a year ago, on the 3rd. So it's the anniversary January 3rd. So maybe, if you're willing to do a part two, do you ever do remote readings?

Speaker 2 45:44

Absolutely. I do readings by phone and Zoom and I work a lot on Zoom and really that's where it's at for me right now. I still do a lot of public readings. I do even public demonstrations to show the survival of consciousness right, Bringing through information to validate and confirm. But yes, I do, I'd love to do that.

Speaker 1 46:06

Yeah, maybe exactly a part two would be awesome. I wouldn't spring it on you today, but I guess we're just very organic. As we said, let's just have fun. And so here we are, but we do often go down rabbit holes or off in the weeds, as we say. But I do think the magic happens when you allow, like you said, synchronicity to play its part.

Speaker 1 46:24

So, whatever's on your radar right now, it's kind of fascinating how themes recur and motifs recur, and so I just have to say I'm in a very weird place, probably raw, you know, energetically very raw, but I did just. And so I was going to ask you about dreams, because the biggest way in which I relate to you know, I never really put much stock in angels, it didn't really resonate with me, or archangel, you know, whatever. Those entities don't play a big part in my life. But I will say, since my mom passed, I just thrive on the dreams. I feel like they're visits and, uh, I'm visiting with her soul and I really am invested in them. And it's kind of saddening me because they happened a lot in the beginning and a little bit less, little bit less recently. So maybe that's something we can talk about next time, but also just yesterday we have a guest coming on whom I've known since the age of 11.

Speaker 1 47:15

He's a very dear friend and he's a magician these days. So he's an actor and a magician, and so I went to the Magic Castle here in Hollywood which I've always heard about but I've never been and so I don't get out much and it was the most magical, literally magical day. And it's another example of like eh, I could take or leave magic. Traditionally and ironically, his brand is this is magic for people who don't like magic. And so for me it was this performance art meets Dadaism meets, you know, singing and dancing, and it was a very transformative experience, and he uses that word to describe his act.

Speaker 1 47:53

It's transformative magic and at the end of it all the lights came up and he was good enough to come over and spend some time with us and I just said I'll save it for the podcast, but I couldn't be the only one that gets weepy. I walked out of there going. I do believe in magic, I want to believe in magic. You know it was talking about transformative yeah, and he did say yeah, sometimes I get that reaction, but I just know it was by design, not calculated, but his act was so perfectly constructed that by the end of it you've transformed.

Speaker 2 48:24

How beautiful is that.

Speaker 1 48:25

And I must have needed it. I mean clearly.

Speaker 2 48:27

but oh yeah, and to do some release work, right yeah, to just have some fun and laugh. I mean that is the best medicine, so to speak, or it's the best aid is to kind of forget about your worries or your life for a moment and be transformed.

Speaker 1 48:44

Yeah, it was. Cathartic is the word we would use in the storytelling realm. It was very cathartic. Does that word resonate? Is it the same as transformation to you, like an emotional catharsis or even a shift in thought forms as a result of an experience?

Speaker 2 48:58

Oh yeah, it's really and, like you said, the dreams, but it's mind-blowing for people. You know what you can experience by stepping into another person's energy or that type of an event. That you went to was possibilities. You know infinite possibilities and the realms of imagination and the realms of play or the realms of joy, the realms of adventure. Even those types of energies are life transforming.

Speaker 1 49:28

Yep, you nailed it. It was possibilities, capacity, potential, because sometimes we don't see a way out of our situation and to me it is the outer world getting in. I've limited my news intake consciously. I've never been that guy to stick his head in the sand, but I just have to for my own self-preservation right now. But then, yeah, connecting back with the idea that there's always, you know, tomorrow's, another day. But I do want to ask then, in this context, what is the role of dreams in our spiritual evolution, or I call it emotional maturity or spiritual evolution? How much attention should we pay to our dreams and what role do they play?

Speaker 2 50:08

Well, I believe we can pay even more attention to our dreams, and at least that's the hope that I have for people is to pay more attention and to work with that type of consciousness or that sleep state that's helping us open up, to connect on a soul-to-soul level and that's where you are with your mom is. You know, angels and guides may not mean a whole lot in your world, but connecting with your mom in a soul level, in the dreams, and having visitations with her, I mean that is really kind of what so many people are asking for and yearning for and I'm just so thrilled for you that you've had all those contacts and communications with her and don't worry if they're lessening. I mean, it's some way you know she's right there, working with you in other ways. So that's how what's happening is. She's showing you information or giving you signs and symbols, so to speak, in other ways.

Speaker 2 51:03

But I think our dream states are absolutely the way or the easiest way the departed loved ones can come through. They do come through when our guard is down right, when our ego's down, when we're out, soul traveling, so to speak, and we're very present. You know, I helped a friend of mine whose mother passed from Alzheimer's. I was helping both of them during the last few years of her mother's life, and her mother came to me in my sleep state and thanked me Thanked me for helping her daughter and thank you for being a part of her life too types of experiences that we have where we're open to the blessing of divine light or the blessing of people who have crossed over, so to speak, to be still knowing that we're a part of their lives. So I'm hoping that you still feel very much that your mother's still in your life, like she's still your mother, yes, and she's still very much in your life.

Speaker 1 52:02

Absolutely yeah, and I don't want to pin it all on the dreams. That definitely illustrated that. Yeah, and now she's just funny. It's less frequent, but they're very funny. She's turned into a comedian.

Speaker 2 52:23

I don't know if you do this or not, but do when you do wake up from your dream to write it down. Write down what you remember, or use your phone to record into something.

Speaker 1 52:34

Yeah, well, exactly, I was going to say on and off. I have kept a dream journal on and off, but lately it's more like the second I wake up. I do an audio because it goes bye-bye real quick, doesn't it up. I do an audio because it goes bye-bye real quick, doesn't it?

Speaker 2 52:45

Yeah, it's amazing and it's so true, but it's like you're tapping into a consciousness that you can bring through more and remember more by documenting it. So please, for everyone, just see if you can't begin that new habit for the new year of having pen and paper by your bedside Awesome.

Speaker 3 53:07

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 53:08

Yeah, I'm a well, virginia knows I. I do audios when I'm still groggy.

Speaker 3 53:13

I have one about you, virginia Did you get that one, I did get that one.

Exploring Science and Spiritual Perspectives

Speaker 1 53:17

Yeah, I like to record them because the details that are seemingly inconsequential are the most telling sometimes, and those are the details that go bye-bye if you don't record them right away. Anyway, sorry if we're off in the weeds, I do want to ask you, as we, you know, in a few minutes, when we're coming to a close, I want to ask you if there's anything you're really really driven to share with our listeners. But we're getting our jollies a little bit by asking questions through our lens, if that makes sense. And so, in that spirit, I guess I asked you about the empirical Newtonian, whether it's even worth trying to reconcile the two, I guess. But when we talk about dreams, I would say that is story. You know, I would say the images pre-language that visited in our dreams became the archetypes right, the Jungian archetypes in fact that we utilize in our storytelling.

Speaker 1 54:11

And so, you know, years ago in the nineties, I did live with a staunch empiricist and he had a prescription subscription to um popular science and you know, I guess I think I seemed a little kooky to him, cause I was open to metaphysical and spiritual ideas, and so he would regularly leave that magazine on the our kitchen table, like flipped open to a page and literally one of the articles was about the God gene, not the God gene, I'm sorry it was. It was, um, yeah, the God gene. Sorry, not the God particle, but the God gene. And the whole premise was this very staunch empiricist view that, um, oh, those who have a numinous or profound experiences or that connect dots, meaning our intuitives, our prophets, our psychics, I would extend it to say our creatives, right, just have a particular brain chemistry that predisposes them to blah, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, why can't it be both? You know, we have a gift that you can put on a pedestal or not and say we all have access to it, or say it's a necessary, like that. Yeah, they have a particular brain chemistry that predisposes, but it almost made them out to be quacks, you know, oh, no, it's just this. It's like well, why can't it be both? So I feel like I don't know with dreams. There was another article that he was good enough to put on our kitchen table, which was it's just a necessary function of the brain to clean the pipes and keep those neural circuits firing and whatever, keep the dendrites moving. They mean nothing.

Speaker 1 55:48

And again, why can't it be both? Why can't it be your higher self or subconscious Call it what you want, why can't it be both? Why can't it be your higher self or subconscious Call it what you want but taking the events of the day or the week and creating a story out of them to impart something to you, something of value for your survival. You know what I mean In pre-language. That's the only way your higher self was able to give you you know what I mean the grist. Take the grist of your daily events and offer you something for your survival.

Speaker 2 56:12

And you know back in. Well, you know, science is there to prove science, and uh right.

Speaker 1 56:23

It's a consensus, like everything else. It's a bunch of peers agreeing that your research right, it means something. It's still just consensus within that community. Sorry, go on.

Speaker 2 56:29

No, and I think it's up to all of us to be, you know, as informed as we can. I think physics is amazing, science is amazing, and the more we can, you know, open our own brains, our own minds up into other worlds of interest or other topics and subjects and to find out, you know how interesting I mean, I just absolutely love physics myself and I love relating that to my work in some way. You know, you do see a lot of overlap when you start reading this material and looking into it, and I love it when people are skeptical. I love the questions people have because it opens up more opportunity and more answers.

Speaker 1 57:08

So it's like— I guess I'm poking fun at—so sorry I guess I'm poking fun at it a little bit, because I do think of course it's important to have your finger on the pulse of the latest discoveries and function in the world. We couldn't build bridges or send rockets into space Not that that's the most important thing right now but we couldn't function as a society without finding this meeting ground. That, unfortunately, is empiricism Not the scientific method, but empiricism. But I do feel like you know the way my way of putting it is. We've always known the tip of an iceberg, right, we thought the world was flat. So you said a moment ago, like I mean, I said quantum physics, but I think you said science is catching up in some ways with the spiritual community, and I feel like that's the way to go is just to say we're using different terminology. We're neck and neck. They've always sought to do the same thing, actually science, and they both seek to explain the universe, right?

Speaker 2 58:03

It's wonderful, I love it. You know, I love the Stephen Hawking's, I love the string theory, like I love all of that information. And you know, I know that everything that's before us in this world, we've created it in our imagination also, like the computers or the Taj Mahal, for example, was created. So things in our world are created first, you know, in the invisible world, so to speak.

Speaker 1 58:25

Yes.

Speaker 2 58:26

And then we bring it into form to teach us or to show us what we can, to show us our magnificence that Michael Beckwith always talks about but, is to bring forth even more of that magnificence.

Speaker 1 58:40

Ein Round calls it taking concepts and making them percepts. That's every innovative or creative act. You're taking concepts and making them material, you know.

Speaker 2 58:52

Right, right. So you know I love the left brain, right brain, because I do believe in that, I believe that and we need to understand the energy of that as well. You know, so many people walk around, even with headaches, just talking about that. They have so much mental energy going on and we all need to think, we all need to live our lives and conduct our lives and manage our checkbooks, so to speak, and drive our cars. So we need that left brain or that stepping into the more intuitive side. The more receiving of information right, the more reception of believing or receiving that higher intuitive knowledge, I guess.

Speaker 2 59:42

I guess we're tapping into a higher knowledge.

Speaker 1 59:45

Do you feel that we're on that path?

Speaker 2 59:51

Oh, absolutely Absolutely. I think doors are opening left and right for people and they don't know what it is Some people don't, but once they realize that they're a part of it and they're not left behind. And you know, we're all at our own level, so to speak. We're all doing the best we can, but to know that, look, there's better things ahead of us, right no-transcript, my way of putting it. Yeah, yeah, and feminine meaning a sensitivity. How's that you? Know, just be more sensitive, right we're opening up our senses?

Speaker 2 1:00:51

Yeah, more human more balanced.

Speaker 1 1:00:55

Yep, we're headed in the right direction. Unfortunately, the elections didn't go the way I really really thought they were gonna go, Anyway. So, Virginia, do you have any last questions before I do? Wanna say, you know, if there's anything you're really driven to impart to our listeners, Cheryl, I'm gonna give you that opportunity, but I feel want to say you know if there's anything you're really driven to impart to our listeners.

Speaker 3 1:01:18

Cheryl, I'm going to give you that opportunity, but I feel, virginia, that you might have a question or two. Um, no, you've actually touched on everything that I was already kind of thinking, so I don't have anything additional. Um, I, I just really love everything you've shared. No, I don't.

Speaker 1 1:01:37

Okay.

Speaker 3 1:01:37

I'll let you off the hook.

Speaker 1 1:01:38

But I do hope we can do a part two because I would love to have you do a reading, not to sensationalize anything, but I think it would be really eye-opening.

Speaker 2 1:02:13

Yeah, of course, of course. And you know, if I were to leave in part anything to your listeners, I step into this energy of knowing that, look, we can heal, and not only do we heal or bring healing to our own lives, but we can also heal people around us or heal, you know, even energies or departed loved ones. You know the ancestral energy is a big big deal, right now especially, and we can talk about that at a later time, but it is about kind of stepping into um, you know the possibilities and stuff.

Speaker 1 1:02:44

Yeah, we talk about intergenerational trauma quite a bit on this podcast. So we talk about it in terms of, you know, reframing the narrative, rewiring those neural circuits. Do you have a? I mean it's silly to turn it into a soundbite, but like a suggestion on how people other than you know different types of therapy or how do you resolve intergenerational trauma. You hinted at gratitude. Do you recommend a gratitude journal?

Speaker 2 1:03:14

You know, always I recommend a gratitude journal, I recommend either prayer or meditation. So what I'm saying is time to reflect, however you want to word that, but it is about kind of understanding that you are your own energy field and you do bring through that healing for other people when you can connect with your own inner light, right, your own energy field, of how you're feeling, where is your awareness, and documenting that. Once again, having that gratitude journal kind of brings you right down to the present moment, kind of brings you, you know, right down to the present moment. So, if anyone's looking on how to be in the present moment, step into gratitude, because that opens doors for you and it turns the wheels of favor in your direction, to where you can be more present.

Speaker 1 1:04:06

Love it, beautiful, all right.

Speaker 3 1:04:10

Sorry, go ahead. Oh sorry, I know that you're thinking about wrapping it up, but I just love it. You know, and I know we've talked about present a lot, and I like that you've said that, because I think that's probably a key thing is not being in the past but being present.

Speaker 1 1:04:26

Well, perseverating on the past or defining yourself by your past, is the best way to limit capacity and potential right, exactly.

Speaker 1 1:04:34

But I know gratitude. Sorry we're hinting at so many things here, but it's all kind of in the same arena. You know you mentioned prayer and meditation. So some schools of thought would say you know, affirmations are the way to go, and if you keep a gratitude journal, you're affirming do you know what I mean? Things are always working out for me actually and Abraham Hicks talks a lot about that. Just get in the habit of so.

Speaker 1 1:04:56

Mantras, even you know everything's always working out in my favor. Those are awesome. But I, some schools of thought would say, actually it's like pushing a wet noodle up a hill. Right In some ways, if those thought, if those neural circuits are so fixed, so right In some ways, if those thoughts, if those neural circuits are so fixed, so meditation, in my world that's the best way to disentangle familiar neural circuits and it just leaves room for new ones. So I don't know different strokes for different folks, but I think we're all kind of saying the same thing that we do have the power by stepping into the moment. And now we're in Eckhart Tolle territory a little bit. Right, the present moment, awareness, right, that comes up a lot on here.

Speaker 1 1:05:35

Anyway yeah, well, it's the same thing, right? When you appreciate those dapples of light on your windowsill while doing the most mundane thing like dishes, you're actually and artists have a leg up on that actually when you get those gamma waves flowing by choosing to paint a still life or, you know, a plein air painting on location, you really are limiting the mental chatter and diffusing mind and ego. And what else is there the moment? So I don't know. I do think you know we are, there are some universals, but we are unique and different. So, would you agree, people have access to different tools and whatever works for you, or what are the universals? You already just beautifully rattled off some habits people can develop, which I love.

Speaker 2 1:06:20

Yeah Well, you know, everything you just said is we're so diverse and we don't even know how much we're capable of doing. Yet you know, sometimes our consciousness just doesn't can't wrap, we can't wrap our brains around it sometimes. So where we're heading and where we're going, I think it's very unique. I think this is a very historical time, meaning that really the whole planet, like every individual on the planet right now, is going through transformation. Right, Every banking, hospital, educational, arena is definitely. We're all working together to create some way of unity.

Speaker 2 1:06:57

It is through the unity vibration that we do create a lot of miracles.

Speaker 1 1:07:05

I like the idea that unity or interconnectivity is the path we're on, but yet recognizing that all the threads make up the tapestry. I'm mixing metaphors a little bit, you know, because there is a push toward telling all the untold stories that have been silenced and erased, and we do hear that here on the podcast, because we have own voices in literature, and so, yeah, I'm just adding that. You know cause I, virginia, you remember I got in trouble when I mentioned the universals in the form of the hero's journey. Obviously, talk about harping on the past. Right, I got accused of, you know, I'm perpetuating patriarchy because it's a tool to oppress and it's like it can be both right, acknowledging the universal that makes us human, while acknowledging all the different threads, because it does take a village, I'm talking in platitudes now, sorry.

Speaker 3 1:07:57

Well, here, and I'm going to go back to gestalt for you, dominic, but you're going to like this. So this, this is how, this is the focus of gestalt therapy, and this is literally what um Frederick Pearl says is um awareness equals present, time equals reality.

Speaker 1 1:08:10

Okay, wait, one more time.

Speaker 3 1:08:13

Awareness equals present time equals reality.

Speaker 1 1:08:19

Wow, yeah, beautiful, okay. Well, I think we now have said it all.

Speaker 2 1:08:26

So, uh, that was beautiful, that was beautiful yeah. And you know, it's through it's through the present moment, or just to add to that, it's through the present moment that we find that stillness, which is peace, you know, and which is really that God energy, or the greater spirit energy that we have, each one of us.

Speaker 1 1:08:47

Yeah, I've noticed in turmoil, right in crisis mode, when you need it the most, if you can still your mind and I've lived it you know that inner peace, that well-being, that tranquility takes a while to get there, but if you can meditate and find it, it really is reassuring because you know what it's always available and so you know that idea of like in prison you can still have inner peace somehow, and finding it in crisis is the best affirmation that we always have access, you know.

Speaker 3 1:09:17

Right yeah.

Speaker 1 1:09:18

Yeah, all right. Well, thank you so much, and I'm not kidding about the part two, so I would love to follow up and we'll send you an invite. Thank you so much. It was really a gift.

Speaker 2 1:09:30

Thank you for having me both of you so much. Thank you, it was really a gift. Thank you for having me both of you so much Thank you. It was great to have you, cheryl. Thank you, oh, it was fun. Thank you.

Speaker 1 1:09:36

Okay, and for our listeners, remember life is story and we can get our hands in the clay individually and collectively. We can write a new story. See you next time.