Mental Health Meets Spiritual Healing with Carolyn Coleridge

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"We're all souls. That's my premise." Psychotherapist Carolyn Coleridge bridges mental health and spirituality, helping clients find their golden thread amidst pain.

As a therapist, Carolyn Coleridge is often called to treat not the mind, but the Soul that is crying out for healing. That inner voice, so often drowned out by the cacophony of noise that is daily life, holds the key to a sense of purpose and, therefore, well-being. At a time when divisiveness seems to dominate our collective experience, Carolyn offers a different perspective: as we do our inner work and raise our individual vibrations through forgiveness and love, we contribute to a transformation of consciousness that extends far beyond ourselves. The darkness we perceive isn't overcome through battle but through becoming carriers of light.

In this episode's inspiring conversation with psychotherapist, intuitive, and healer Carolyn Coleridge, we journey into the fertile intersection where traditional mental health practices meet spiritual wisdom. 

Learn more about Carolyn Coleridge, LCSW, at the following links:

https://www.honoryourspiritbook.com/
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https://insighttimer.com/es/profesores/carolynhealertherapy

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Transcript

Introduction to Carolyn Coleridge

Speaker 1 0:45

Hi guys, thank you so much for tuning in. We have a really great episode today. Virginia and I are both very excited to have today's guest on. She's a psychotherapist who brings spirituality into her practice. Before we invite her into the room, though, I do want to say we're going to start with some clips in what we call the green room.

Speaker 1 1:04

Oftentimes we, you know, prep our guests before beginning our interview. Not oftentimes every time we prep them in the green room, but sometimes magic happens. You know, if you talk too much, then you kind of wish you were recording it. That happened again today, where such great content came up that I've just got to share it Now. And then we have included little clips at the very top of an episode to give a hint of what's to come, and we're going to do that in this case. So enjoy the green room banter, and then we'll dive into the bio and the interview. I've been listening to your podcast, carolyn, and it's amazing, okay, yeah, so inspiring. So I was telling Virginia, without making it a dog and pony show or putting you on the spot, I would love for you to riff on, just share spiritual wisdom with our listeners, you know, and so hopefully that'll come up organically where there's a topic that you can riff on. Does that make a little bit of sense?

Speaker 2 2:00

Yes, yes, absolutely. I could talk a lot.

Speaker 1 2:04

It's all gold, though. That's the thing.

Speaker 2 2:07

Oh, okay, is it LCSWLPC or CMHC, cmhc.

Speaker 1 2:12

So many acronyms, you guys.

Speaker 3 2:14

I know.

Speaker 1 2:17

It is alphabet soup 100%. That's so funny, and I guess I'm now a published author with a podcast.

Speaker 2 2:24

Awesome.

Speaker 1 2:26

Are you confused?

Speaker 2 2:28

No, it's very magical. No, it shows you guys are co-creating with your souls. That's what it shows just what's pushing you forward? What's what you're calling? I think all all over the place would have been like I was a mechanic and then I sold subway sandwiches. Then I became an illustrator. That's all over the place now I've done my.

Speaker 1 2:48

I've worn a paper hat and a polyester suit. I've done a lot of Customer service. Never flipped burgers, but my first job was a Del Taco and my weirdest job was Virginia. You've heard me say this Basically breaking up a balcony with a sledgehammer While standing on it, and then throwing the chunks into a dumpster. My dad was in concrete, so I've done my hard labor, but, yeah, you don't put that on the resume, right?

Speaker 2 3:13

yeah, well, maybe humility and a spiritual resume is awesome.

Speaker 1 3:17

Humility, oh yeah, no, it makes you who you are and I fully credit my dad with all those right typical like the value of a dollar and um the value of hard work and I do nowadays distinguish between drudgery and inspired work but it builds character. How about that?

Speaker 2 3:35

Well, you know, like breaking up cement, it's like breaking up the ego in the mindset and like getting and standing on. It is then releasing and trusting the universe that will take care of you.

Speaker 1 3:45

You know I wish we were recording right now, because that's just what our podcast is about. Life is story and just on the fly out of my mouth right comes that story. It's about the foundation of socialization as well. I mean, I was 16 when I broke up that balcony. I love that. You seem to be really keyed into the symbology of life and the spiritual journey, so I'm counting on it.

Speaker 1 4:12

Man carolyn coleridge is a licensed psychotherapist and an intuitive and healer with 30 years of experience. She is licensed in california and connecticut. Carolyn has appeared on cnn international demonstrating energy healing and has appeared on CNN International demonstrating energy healing and has appeared on the USA Network. Carolyn was a former faculty member of the Pediatric Pain Program at UCLA, a complementary alternative medicine program, where she was a Reiki master. She has taught spirituality and mental health in a major HMO in California, helping people to find their soul purpose. She is also a meditation teacher on the Insight Timer app.

Speaker 1 4:53

She is a clairvoyant and hears messages from spirit. She has written three books Honor your Spirit, soul Wisdom and the workbook how to Work with the Universe. She is a meditation slash mindfulness teacher and has just opened Conscious Creations Meditation and Healing Center in Bloomfield, connecticut. In her own words. I have been working with the soul essence of clients. As a psychotherapist and intuitive, I help people find their reason for being. I am also a mindfulness teacher and energy healer. I have taught clients about working with the universal dialogue, which is similar to hearing the language of the soul. The name of our podcast Welcome, carolyn Coleridge.

Speaker 2 5:36

Thank you so much for having me. I appreciate your invitation.

Speaker 1 5:39

Of course, thank you for being here. As Virginia said, we're going to start kind of in an organic way where we're trying to get back to the more conversational tone we started out with in our early days and in that spirit, um, I want to ask you a rote question that we've been asking all of our guests to stay on brand for us in the spirit of our podcast. Uh, in your practice and in your life, I'm sure you've developed some views on this. Uh, what do you feel is the traditional role of storytelling and culture? And part part B has that evolved over time?

Speaker 2 6:13

Yeah well, deep, deep question. A great question, gosh. Storytelling is so powerful for many different ways and levels. One, to hear people's stories is what I do as a therapist, all day long and for many, many, many years. So when they're telling their stories I'm listening to their soul actually, because within the pain sometimes there's this I call it the golden thread of why they went through certain experiences to get them to the place they are right now. Right now, and if it's a place of being stuck, then I help them to move forward by, you know, suturing up that wound and then saying what did you learn from that? And what did you what? The spiritual lessons? Because every difficulty, every you know tragedy is a triumph to learn something and if you've learned it, that lesson will go away. And then what's the next step on the spiral of your life? So that's one way of storytelling.

Speaker 2 7:11

I also feel through music storytelling. It's very powerful because it kind of gives us the you know, the back, the score of our lives. So hearing music and people writing songs or poems can also help people to grow and learn from a more um, metaphoric and thematic theme. And music is actually the energy of the universe, because universe first is a song so just hearing.

Speaker 2 7:39

It's right there in front of us that that those sounds of the spheres are the energies of our expressions into life. Like everyone, for example, has a vibration, a vibr signature, and that's their story. And in certain cultures, like in certain West African culture I don't remember which one when a child was born, they would sing the child, the women would gather around in the forest and sing with the baby in the middle and sing a song and that would be their signature for life. And then, if the child went astray, um, later in life, teenage years, whatever it may be they would say it's a time for the calling of the songs. They bring that soul back and put them in the center and sing their song. This is your signature yeah, it's deep.

Speaker 2 8:22

This is who you are, so I feel storytelling can take so many different forms and I I also feel the narrative, which is like storytelling of your life, is your soul's journey, is your ability to live your life, listening to the messages that come within your spirit and then creating a story about it, and sometimes the story is being is being rewritten.

Speaker 2 8:48

That's why Hollywood's so powerful is because yeah, we can reread, we write our stories all the time the director, with the actor, with a cinematographer and we can change it to be something different. So we can co-create our stories to align with the universal wisdom and then clear a car and go back home at peace yeah, wow, you sure deliver, man, wow, yeah.

Speaker 1 9:15

Good stuff there, man and I'll. I guess I'm gonna already let the cat out of the bag. I have listened to several episodes of your podcast and that's you're a great storyteller yourself, because I can tell you have an outline. I don't know, I don an outline. I don't want to speculate or analyze your podcast, but it seems like you have an outline, but you clearly have a lot of wisdom available on the tip of your tongue and so I just think you're a great storyteller.

Speaker 1 9:41

There are about 12 things in there that I want to follow up on because the imagery is so vivid and I kind of like your turns of phrase, if makes sense, when you said I don't want to put words in your mouth, but you know you drew the connection between universe and our song verse. You had an episode called maligned or aligned, and I just love your use of language. I mean, that's the name of our podcast. So anyway, one of the things I wanted to follow up in there, follow up on in there, was that ritual of the women of the tribe gathering around and, in essence, reminding you of who you are. That's Lion King, that's Star Wars. You've got to be reminded what your core essence is, if that makes sense. I just wondered if you ever had the feeling that you become your name. So it's almost like you're assigned a name at birth and you magically kind of live up to it in terms of its meaning. Has that ever occurred to you? Or is that the same thing as being reminded who you are fundamentally by the tribe?

Speaker 2 10:48

100%. Yes, I love that idea because the name is your. Again, it's a signature because the vibration of the name Carolyn in the word is caring and I'm a therapist, so there's a lot of times our souls will give the parents the child the name, they'll give them the name, and the parents are like I just thought of this name. The child the name, they'll give them the name. And the parents like I just thought of this name and it's like perfect, you know, for that person and that soul signature, because that soul is coming into incarnation, is reading their book of life with the divine, creating their purpose here, and says let me give them this name. That means a family name which could be ancestral healing and ancestral clearing. It could be a name of their journey as a soul to kind of remind them. And it's also an energetic and also signature. So I really believe in numerology and if you do the numerology of your name and of your birthday, it will find it will tell you your energetic signature, because one of the universal languages is numbers and so the numbers of your birthday plus the numbers of the letters and the numbers corresponding to those letters create your name, your vibration and what you're here to do, to remind you, just like astrology, why you're really here. It's so easy to get lost in this heavy earth energy. The other side is very light and beautiful and pure. We come down into darkness with our gifts covered so we can't like see, hear and feel and know our whole spiritual path, because part of the game is to reveal it and to unwind it and, to you know, unveil it so that we can strive hard. And when we strive, we start growing up these rungs, like it's like going over hurdles, that we're able to uh get new gifts like strength, compassion, tolerance, uh, forgiveness, you know awareness. Uh, you know wisdom. These are attributes that we gain when we're going through our lives using our signature of our name, and then that makes our soul brighter and larger and we start healing our trauma, our ancestral trauma, our past life trauma, if you believe in that, and then we're able to go back home with a lot more light, go to the higher part of heaven like goal accomplished. So, yes, I think the name is very powerful. There's a great story in Hollywood, where I lived in LA for 20 years, about Pamela Anderson and her name. When she was Pamela Anderson, she was doing very well, whatever that may be in her career. And then when she got married to Tommy Lee and it was Pamela Anderson Lee, everything went wrong. Things were not working. There was abuse or violence and I don't know if she went to a numerologist or the numerologist talked about that when she. Then she changed back her name and then everything realigned. So we have to really understand these, these energy signatures.

Speaker 2 13:52

Like I'm bored on april 19th. So every time I see a four to nine, I'm in alignment. When I was working at a company, my code was always four and nine. When I get an address, um, they always get. It always came to like 19 or four and nine and like my office. I didn't know if I could afford it in in beverly boulevard in la, and it was, and they said office. I didn't know if I could afford it in breville boulevard in la, and it was, and they said oh, why don't you take sweet sweet 22?

The Power of Names and Energy Signatures

Speaker 2 14:14

two and two is four, perfect and they're like oh, by the way, oh, we're gonna tag on two, three, because you want that side part, and that's a five. Five and four is nine, so there's a four and the nine. So whenever those numbers and I was in an office for 11 years on Beverly Boulevard, you know no problem paying rent so whenever you go with your name or your numbers and your your alignment.

Speaker 1 14:39

You're aligning with your soul's purpose. I love that. I will add that maybe Tommy Lee was just a schmuck as well. No, but I love that because it's it can be unexamined, right. Sometimes the parents just that lightning strike comes and they, ah, that's the name. They may not even look into the traditional meaning of the name, but I also heard somewhere in there too, like maybe the ancestral trauma or the baggage that you inherit is the family name right, and then your individual life's purpose could be in the first name. Interesting stuff though. Yeah, I just think it's fascinating. As an author, I put a lot of thought into how I named my characters Right. Have either of you seen? Um, it ends with us.

Speaker 3 15:22

Yes.

Speaker 1 15:23

Okay, well, that that came from a book, a very popular book, right, and I haven't read it. Have you read it, virginia?

Speaker 3 15:32

Um, I didn didn't.

Speaker 1 15:32

My two younger daughters did, but I saw a movie with them right, so popular and whether that's a good thing or a bad thing we're not going to speculate but popular book which became a movie, and it was kind of like corny, because things can work in the literary realm but they don't always fly on screen. So some of the names were as blatant as lily bloom and she was the innocent right, the archetype of the innocent, who's the eternal optimist. And then she opened a flower shop called lily's bloom, but it might as well have been named hope springs eternal. And then atlas carried the weight of the world on his shoulders and then Ryle the bad guy. The character of Ryle was easily riled Like.

Speaker 1 16:15

It was almost corny, but within reason I put a lot of thought into how I named my characters and I think people absolutely become their names, but it's completely unexamined. Therein lies the power of story and the inherent symbolism of spirituality. Anyway, I love everything you said and there are so many things I would love to follow up on, but I do want to back up a little bit just for the listeners and kind of lay the groundwork and, again in the interest of storytelling, tell us a little bit about how you came into your current practice. And again, from other podcasts I did get the sense that you were raised at least in an environment where spirituality was nurtured or encouraged. I believe your mom was quite intuitive, so maybe you could talk a little bit about when you identified as an intuitive Then. Was that inseparable from the mental health space or what called you to mental health in the first place?

Speaker 2 17:08

Great questions. Well, I did grow up in a spiritually based family. My father was a minister very traditional Episcopal minister, and became the Bishop of Connecticut, and my mother had had a vision that he would become the first black Bishop of Connecticut. So she was a science teacher At 27, I ended up working for an economic research firm. I was a marketing assistant. I needed a job. I just worked on the Hill under Governor Wilder, a governor of Virginia, and it was just so heavy and this was not my soul's connection. I didn't get a corporate job. So I worked for an economics research firm and when there I ended ended up, it was a French company, the OECD.

Speaker 2 17:58

I was able to take off, um, it's a you know six weeks. So I was. I had a health scare and I started getting to exercising twice a day and, um, I would eat vegetarian food and I would meditate in the park every day. And at that time what I did is I didn't know I was raising my vibration to be a very, very high space. So then I realized, in so many messages I got, that I needed to do spirituality and mental health, and it was really scary and I had to just keep asking the universe, protect me, show me.

Speaker 2 18:36

Ironically, I ended up graduating working on wall street and the firm was uh, it was a jewish firm, um harris rothenberg, and it's really conservative. We're working with all these big banks and smith barney and um scat and orbs and all these you know really conservative companies because I worked on the hills like a girl she'd like this and I once. You know really conservative companies because I'd worked on the hills they could all. She'd like this and I once they were nutsy crunchy and I was just like god, the spirituality is going to be crushed. But then my the managing partner, b harris, comes up to me and she's like um, I really like the way you change the energy of the room. I'm like energy and she goes yeah, yeah, yeah, like like you have a lot of good energy. And I said what do you mean? She goes, you don't know about reiki or anything. So she kind of introduced me to that.

Speaker 2 19:15

This is corporate wall street company 99 wall, and she's talking about energy. And then later I found out she was psychic. She used to get visions of the wish companies to go after. So, even though I thought the company would be really strangulating because it was so quiet, it was an employee assistance program. Um, my manager was into astrology. She was an astrologer. The managing partner was intuitive. My friend was into mediumship. It was so funny that we were sitting there in a corporate job helping doing ea people.

Speaker 2 19:46

We have these spiritual experiences, so I, ever since then, spirit has led me to either be the light in the dark or to help bring the light in the darkness.

Speaker 1 19:56

Beautiful. Yeah, it reminds me a little bit. We had a guest that it wasn't Wall Street, but she was basically a tech person and a former nun, so she introduced mindfulness and wellness into the tech space. So yeah, it can be awkward and I'm glad you addressed that because I didn't want to play sort of the lowest common denominator or the tech space. So yeah, it can be awkward and I'm glad you addressed that because I didn't want to play sort of the lowest common denominator or the status quo. But I think it's a logical question to ask have you encountered resistance in the mental health space? You know what I mean Infusing spirituality into it. You and I know a holistic approach to health incorporates mind, body and spirit. But I would say you know traditionally, especially medicine, maybe more so than mental health, has been very Newtonian and sort of mechanistic. It can be an awkward intersection. So, a, I would like to ask you have you encountered resistance? And then, b, what are the common best practices in psychotherapy? Is it okay now to talk about God? Forbid spirituality.

Speaker 2 20:57

These are great questions. Yes, resistance 100%, because there's so many different levels. I feel some of the traditionally trained therapists and some of the mythology and methods and training that we do, it's just about ego, you know therapist knows everything.

Spirituality in Mental Health Practice

Speaker 2 21:18

The therapist is the wall and this, this, you know, a blank screen, and it can be very helpful, but sometimes people's souls are crying out for healing. It's not their personality and as we transferred from the Aquarian age, the piscean age, to the querying age and even like 2012, I feel like that my work of combining the mind, body, spirit was from, is is to really do the work right now. Honestly, with all those years, I was a, I was a reader and a healer and a psychotherapist and in companies, a, they don't like the fact we go outside of the.

Speaker 2 21:54

They call it evidence-based practices they don't like that and they always are thrown it in my face, but that's for the personality. But a lot of these younger they used to call them indigos and now we have a strong queer nation you know queer kids and we have people that are empaths. They're very, very sensitive. These are older souls coming in, coming to open us up and to teach us and they need a soul connection. They need to do, they need Reiki, they need to know how to cleanse their energy. I did not grow up with a thousand channels on my TV. There were 13.

Speaker 1 22:30

Same here, same here. I lift up Remember on, there was literally the networks were 13 and you physically had to walk across the room and twist the knob right to go between the channels. But then the first cable quote cables were on TV. Do you remember? On TV? And what was the other one, anyway. And then VHF was the home of right, all the bad stuff that didn't deserve to be on network television, but, yeah, on TV and Z Channel. That's the one I was trying to think of, z Channel, anyway, go on, oh no that's so true, we're so bombarded.

Speaker 1 23:03

Now, though, right, there's so much noise, I would call it so much content now.

Speaker 2 23:10

Yeah, and a lot of it's not even true and that's why? And the poor? You know, not the poor kids, but they grew up in that, but they can't hear them out their own voices yeah, that's a whole right, whole conversation right there yeah, they're hearing everyone else's opinions and then they're, you know, forgetting what their intuition is, why they're here, what, so what?

Speaker 2 23:29

what's happening is that a lot of these empaths feel overwhelmed. And what a perfect storm and I like the word perfect to be overdosed on opiates, because who wants to hear all this stuff if you're an empath? So that's why all these meditation centers and mindfulness apps opened up, because there's just too much stuff going on that's getting people away from their spirit and going more into the ego, and we have the sorry, would you say it's.

Speaker 1 23:56

It's an arc, though, like maybe maybe we're in the age of aquarius, right, and we've been on this path for a while, and then again you sound similar in age to me. I'm not sure, but I would say, when you know, all those horrible talk shows in the 80s and 90s started kind of exposing what was traditionally swept under the carpet in terms of social issues, family dynamics, but also the new age movement. You and I rode that wave right and I think it's become more and more mainstream and I personally think we're on the right path. You know where, yes, western medicine, medicine, is finally, finally acknowledging the mind, body, spirit connection and holism, and then maybe mental health is, you know, going in the right direction? Do you see it continuing on this path where it's no longer demonized, to use the word spiritual, for god's sake?

Speaker 2 24:47

I agree. Yeah, well, I think everything is I, I think universe is, I believe in universal wisdom, I'm a universal teacher and that the universe, like, brings all these empaths, but it's because the teach and help us. They're meant to be here, all these channels, they're meant to be here Like we're showing the dark and the light. There's a word, psychic, which means of the soul, and psyche means of the mind. They have to go together.

Speaker 2 25:14

So we're just so the soul is becoming more prominent to you know, uh, be evaluated, to be understood, to work with, and I do believe that, um, younger souls are, well, I say younger, younger people are older souls coming, every soul that comes in is more and more advanced and that, yes, mental health is more open to it. Because I've been doing this for 30 years and a lot of people, um, when I am in clinics and I talk about spirit, um, I was trying to bring people back to the universe, back to god, uh, back to whatever they call it. I don't want to, so I couldn't talk about religion, so I call it universal knowledge, like, what is your spirit and and everyone?

Speaker 1 25:52

but that, what, what I, your spirit, and everyone is looking Well but what I'm hinting at is like, even in education, they're now teaching intelligent design for a reason. And again, to be real specific, in the cell biology realm, and even in medicine, I would say the East and you're a Reiki master, so you know, there's bruce lipton would call them energetic super highways in our bodies, right? So when the newtonian model is to treat everything chemically, right through diffusion, through the cell wall, right. And we now know there's actually non-local energetic communication, right, not just our thoughts and feelings, but maybe from collective consciousness because it knows what it's doing, right? I just think every field is beginning to acknowledge the energetic, if that makes sense, non-local communication, and that is the collective. Again, so many words, right, universal intelligence, collective consciousness, god. So I see it happening in every, but much slower than we would probably like.

Speaker 2 26:54

Yeah, I agree 100%. Like when I'm doing a presentation and the presentation is called a video on YouTube how the forest heals people and how the forest bathing and that's natural for nature, that's in mental health. And people are like, oh, that connects to my soul. And I would ask people what's your spirit? And they said I don't know.

Speaker 2 27:20

And I said, have you ever felt burnt out, dead, tired, drained or exhausted? And they all look at me like, of course, those are normal words and bringing in the new age. I said, well, burnt out is fire, you know, you need to be the sun. Drained is water, you need to have more water. Sun Drained is water, you need to have more water, you know. And the ocean Dead, tired is earth, you need crystals or this. And exhausted is air, you need to breathe. So that I would always teach that way given to me by the Holy Spirit, to make the new age more palpable, digestible to people in the clinical settings. That didn't you know. Oh, this is not a clinically thing. I said these are words we all use you know, that's what I.

Speaker 1 27:55

I'm fascinated by the power of language to betray the metaphysical level of existence, if that makes sense. We use my body, we talk about my body. Well, doesn't that right there tell you consciousness is separate from your biology, and yet we use this language right, and nobody wants to believe in the things that are less than empirical right, and yet we all use the word love. We all agree love exists. You don't get to cherry pick which invisibles you adopt. Go ahead, virginia.

Speaker 3 28:23

Oh yeah, well, let's say I mean the other thing. The one thing that I've noticed in the past year with mental health is a lot of people are getting into stomatic therapy, so using different techniques of people are getting into systematic, you know therapy, so using different techniques, which are all breathing techniques, which are things you learn if you meditate, you know, or do readings have, like you learn, a lot of those breathing and they talk about like, well, you do that because the energy and I mean even with trauma, they talk about how trauma lives in the body, like it's an energy that is in your body that you remember those things, you remember the traumatic events, you even remember the joy, you know. So it's interesting, you know, and I love that the bridge is starting to happen between the two, because we do need to listen to our bodies. Our bodies, I think, are ultimately our own storytellers to keep us.

Speaker 1 29:16

I feel like. I feel like we're wired to understand universal wisdom, we are wired to be intuitive creatures for our survival, right? And then I liken this to ever seen a new story about oh, new study shows that overeating calls, you know, causes obesity. It's like, really, really. And so there are conventional wisdoms and it is our language is fraught with colloquialisms, right, and conventional wisdoms that speak volumes of truth about the nature of metaphysics. And yet, right, it's a slow arc and I love that we're finally acknowledging it.

Speaker 1 29:51

You mentioned carol and the word psyche a moment ago. To me, people get really uncomfortable in certain contexts if you use the words soul or spiritual spirituality. Right, it used to be very taboo in the mainstream, but it's like the way I put it is no, no, no, I'm sorry, virginia, you heard me say this like, don't clutch your pearls. I just talking about oprah's spirituality, mainstream, palatable spirituality, and I, the best way to put it is anything that's not your body, right? So the original, I believe, in greek, the term psyche did mean mind, but it also simultaneously meant soul.

Speaker 1 30:29

It did yes so anything that's not your body is is fair game world anyway well, you're right.

Speaker 2 30:37

And then, with yoga being so popular, I use a lot of the chakras to connect to you know people?

Speaker 2 30:44

um, because if you like somebody, I would ask I would put out pictures, colors and people would. I said, just grab a color. And this is a mental health, this is an intensive outpatient programs, these presentations I would do. And these are people that are all pretty depressed, either pro-suicidal or pre-suicidal or just depressed. And they pick a red and I said, do you have any survival issues? Yeah, I am. I'm concerned about you know, the first root chakra. I says, well, how am I going to make money? How can I do that? I said you picked. I said you picked red. You know you need this energy. That's your spirit. Or they'd pick orange. I said do you need to be more creative? Or you know, is there energy being stored there? Or yellow, and that was a power center. And you know our stomach used to be our mind. You know gut instinct. So I use a lot of stuff, bruce Lipton, and even during not during virtue, but Louise Hay's stuff.

Speaker 1 31:33

Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 31:34

The Body Keeps Score and the Body Listens to Every Thought. You Think Carolyn Mace, you know which hers Anatomy of Spirit, I think, was her book. So I would pull from all these different things.

Speaker 1 31:51

And Dr Emoto remember him. Yeah, from what the Weep Exactly.

Speaker 2 31:54

yeah, I give them handouts and how your body's changing because it's 70% water and what you're thinking. So I've been involved with my Body Spirit for a while so I bring that information and people are a lot more open because I worked at a major Hmo in la and very conservative, and I would. Every week for eight years I would be presenting this stuff and I would always get the longest lines. If you looked on linkedin, I have 96 testimonials using spirituality and people are actually aren't saying, oh, she's a great therapist, they said she's a great reader and I couldn't believe that they, in a public site, used the words the intuitive, you know, healing.

Speaker 2 32:35

and then I connected, when I was on CNN, with Judith Orloff, who's a psychiatrist who talks about intuitive empath that was her term that she really made it big and large and talked about how empaths are wired differently. Why is that happening on the planet? Well, we're overwhelmed with all these different, you know, television stations and stations, and getting away from our spirit and our body truly is a temple, because if people can pick a color of a sheet of paper, that's exactly what they're working on. That means there's a wire between our intuitive, our spirit and our bodies. This is all intertwined.

Speaker 2 33:08

So, to answer your question, yes, I feel like mental health is getting more and more open to it, and I'm going back and forth for years and I've quote unquote, never got caught, meaning, you know, anyone could really go after me saying she's a licensed therapist but she's a professional reader and a healer you have, you know, like you said, the bruce liptons of the world, and you have deepak chopra, who, of course, a certain subsection of the population is going to call them quacks Other people and I'm sorry, I'm sitting here looking at the chart of the different chakras, as you're speaking, with the colors associated.

Speaker 1 33:47

Doesn't it just resonate several, let's just call them philosophic traditions or spiritual traditions that are kind of employing the same tenets but using different semantics. That's credibility right there, and so I just think science is catching up. That's all, and so, when it resonates, maybe that's why it's inarguable, there's really nothing to say. Anyway, I just wondered it's a natural question to ask is there resistance? Do you find that there's a space for mental health that incorporates spirituality? I mean, I think it's more and more mainstream to acknowledge holism, mind, body, spirit connection. But I don't know and maybe you do, virginia, you know know what sort of ethical I was just guessing you encountered resistance. I think we all agree the mainstream is on the right path.

Speaker 2 34:40

Well, virginia, I know you're studying right to get your master's.

Speaker 3 34:43

Yes.

Speaker 2 34:44

So you're probably right in the mix of it, where everyone's like oh, there's no scientifically proven.

Speaker 3 34:52

Is that true? Yeah, I have one professor who actually used to tell me that Maslow's theory is not true.

Intuition and Authentic Living

Speaker 1 34:59

provable, if you do the reason you know but it isn't all of psychology, it's just different models to hold on, it's just semantics, and it's a great way. I mean, they contradict each other. I mean, freudian terminology is actually different than jungian. And then you throw maslow in the mix and it's. They're just systems for understanding the human condition, and people get hung up on the semantics, don't they?

Speaker 3 35:26

They're, they're different, um, I mean, that's what they are. They're, they're theories of theoretical orientations there.

Speaker 1 35:32

So you could call all of psychology a pseudoscience, right? If you wanted to.

Speaker 3 35:37

Pretty much. Yeah, a lot of medical doctors do, actually, right, so so I tend to fall into the humanistic, so I'm existential, but I tie in narrative with my viewpoint and person-centered. So, yeah, I tend to fall in more of the philosophical side of the equation. But it seems like, since and I would love for Carolyn's inputlyn's, you know, input on this, because she's obviously licensed, has been doing this longer than I have, but it seems like now that they're focusing more on cultural awareness in mental health, it's allowing more of that spirituality to come into play for the clients, because it's part of who they are. Versus like oh you know, like at the beginning we're saying the podcast, you're hearing voices, you must have a psychosis. Versus oh, what is your cultural background, what you know, what's your religious background, where that would be normal in some cases yeah, I, I think that it's.

Speaker 2 36:40

It would be nice to think that everyone kind of yeah, I think that it's nice to think that everyone kind of thinks like us that it just makes so much sense it does Body, mind spirit, body mind spirit. But you would be surprised when people are writing their little grants or trying to get you know, like published, that, how this is really poo-pooed still in many circles. I mean, I, I think it's great. Judah lorloff got out there and she taught herself intuitive empaths, um, and how she had a vision. Her first book is called second sight. She had literally a vision of her client overdosing and then, um, she's like, okay, I'm a scientist, it's just a dream. And then her client called her next day and said I tried to overdose, so she was right. She'll never dismiss that and I've had experiences like that. So, but there's a, you know, it's just like how, the changing of the guard.

Speaker 2 37:25

There's still these Freudian, old you know cause, some of the Freudian stuff about dreams. You know you're psychotic if you have dreams about relatives that are, you know, dead and stuff like that. And a lot of us are quote unquote, coming out of the closet, like when I worked at a mental health, a partial program where people were just hospitalized or um preventing them from being hospitalized. We had a psychiatrist was a healer, a pharmacist healer and I was a healer, so we would be the ones that would normalize them, say no, no, they're not psychotic, they saw a shadow and that was their relative, or they saw this unless it was full blown.

Speaker 2 37:59

So there, a lot of us are quietly going in there. I think it's a lot better than it was years ago. Um, I still like. I'll give you an example. I'm working on a new clinic now and it's very interesting. I had a website up for 30 years, 20 years, and it just went down like somebody stole my domain and people were googling me. They're like oh, you're a therapist, I thought you were into this intuitive stuff now if they had my real website up, what is it?

Speaker 2 38:26

medium healer, this, but it was almost like spirit was protecting me because this institute is so old. I mean, I'm on the west east coast sorry, the east coast and very traditional. You know these people are republished, but you know, if you look at einstein theory, that's incorporating energy equals MC squared.

Speaker 1 38:46

Right, sorry, it's sounding like divergent versus convergent thinking. Right, yeah, we are getting a little more sophisticated again, slower than we would all like, but I think society is beginning to take seemingly opposing thought forms and synthesize them. To take seemingly opposing thought forms and synthesize them, we're actually finally acknowledging the gray area, if that makes sense in the mainstream. So maybe I'll just use myself as an example. I've been to therapy, probably on two different occasions for periods of time, but I've also done spiritual counseling, totally separate, so everything gets compartmentalized. I've dabbled in everything over the years, you know, spiritually, but uh, metaphysical counselor is what she called herself, but I remember it was very much compartmentalized and I just think more and more we're acknowledging the energetic level of everything and that speaks to manifestation, right, how your thoughts and feelings manifest your reality. Ariane williamson teaches course of miracles, course of miracles helen shookman that dates decades ago.

Speaker 1 39:51

Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 39:51

yes, yeah, but that was. That's still controversial because she channeled and they were. She was a scientist and so was the guy who was the you know writer of it. Um, so that was, um, they got that. They're both studying at columbia university, I believe, or their professors there, and they really kind of made it. Um, oh, I mean, I have a class tonight on it, but they, they look at it as being how can somebody channel? Like, what is that? And I'm a channeler, you know what is that information that's come through and is, and they were fighting against it because the course was allegedly the new book of christ, you know his new teachings. Like you guys got it wrong. Let me come back again through helen shuckman and blanking on the guy's name. But she got this, she heard this voice, she has channeled this huge book. Um, and that is connected.

Speaker 2 40:46

There's a part of it in psychotherapy and mental health. Uh, there's a part of it that says you know, for therapists, um, but it's a pretty evolved, sophisticated book and there's a lot of different paths of life. Uh, carl young's did a lot about dream work and archetypes, but he was a psychiatrist, you know. So there are pockets of people who have done this before incorporated. But some people are very afraid of just, you know, taking it out of mental health, just trusting spirit. They're just afraid. They're like no, that's not scientific. I feel like science is again my mother's a scientist the longer way to understand what we just know innately as souls.

Speaker 1 41:26

It's funny you mentioned. I did initially catch that right. There was meant to be my transition. You know the fact that your mom was a scientist and yet highly intuitive, and so that's kind of how I was going to dip a toe in this topic we've probably spent too much time on, but you know the resistance factor in this topic. We've probably spent too much time on, but you know the resistance factor. I just think eventually we're going to reconcile all these. I call it the grand illusion, right? The standoff between rationalism and empiricism. It's a false. They're false opposites, they're not mutually exclusive. So I just think it's semantics. At some point you can take any one thing we're talking about here, like you know, non-local energetic communication from collective consciousness, and if you take the time to reconcile cell biology, quantum mechanics, other forms of science, you're gonna just see that it's semantics and we're seeking to explain the same phenomena I 100 agree.

Speaker 2 42:24

I really believe it's the same thing. That's why I've been doing it so long, like, for example, an emdr, which is eye movement, desensitization, I think, recalibration, or something back to the r means, which is a big mental health method for clinical intervention for trauma. And they ask you to get three people you support that will help you when you get to this difficult place, looking at your trauma with the eyes moving back and forth. That you call it, call them in and who do you want to name? And somebody would say you know, princess diana, oprah winfrey and to me those are your spirit guides that you can create, any person that can support you, that when you're feeling you call them. They just know that they're stronger you. It sounds very much like calling in your spirit guides.

Speaker 2 43:06

When I do a soul retrieval, you know like going back to a difficult place and then having your guidance, the people you support and love. So if they're out of body, you know support you, but oprah's out of body, she's not in your living room. You know doing the emdr in your clinic room. So yeah, they're. I think you agree the semantics they're very similar okay, have we sorry?

Speaker 1 43:25

go ahead, virginia. I feel like we beat that dead horse.

Speaker 3 43:27

I'm sorry, and I have a question which is going to transition us, probably, but, um, it's just something I've been thinking as we've been taught, you know, as the conversation has been unwinding, which brings us back into the story realm is it seems like, um, when people get at least is what I see when clients come in that when they're not listening to their internal compass and so they're not listening to you know literally the energy their body is trying to put out into the world. That's where I think I see a lot of the distress with people because they're not living their authentic selves or not being intuitive to who they are. I'm just curious is that have you've noticed that doing both? You know psychotherapy and you know being over in the spiritual work as well, with clients?

Speaker 2 44:26

if that becomes a problem. They don't listen to their intuition and their intuitive self yeah, as well as they so like.

Speaker 3 44:34

It's the story that other people are telling them, versus really what their story is a hundred percent go ahead, dominic oh, I was just going to say the word authentic.

Speaker 1 44:44

I think pop culture, it's right there in our, our lingo, right our pop culture language. You hear more and more, as we've said on other episodes, you hear a lot of talk about empaths and narcissists and we call it pop psychology in a way. But I think the the word authentic has been on everybody's tongue for a while now, for a reason. If you're not trusting your intuition, you know one way of putting it is stress equals inflammation, inflammation equals disease. So if you're not living up to your highest potential which we're wired to do by epigenetics, by the way If you're not finding your voice, connecting it with the collective by seeking purpose, that's inauthenticity and it will tax your body at some point.

Speaker 2 45:33

I really do feel like there's a connection above your saying with the intuition and your soul, because all this chatter out there, all these 10,000 channels and apps and everything it gets people away for their own truth. And if you're just sitting in a village somewhere and it's just you and the tree and you know a fire stick, you're going to listen to your soul a little bit more because there's nothing else going on. You know, my mother grew up in South America and she was very poor and she said that's what she said how in her intuition because you had to know when the bear was going to come into the forest or the snake around the corner or you know, listen, she listed all the animals.

Speaker 2 46:08

She lived on a farm. That it made her intuition stronger. You know, and I'm sure a lot of people in indigenous cultures and places, even I had a client who was a Mayanite, I think that was his name. He was like in Pennsylvania and it's kind of like Amish, you know, they grew up on a farm and it was very. He said his intuition is so much higher than most people because he just was with the cows, you know, and other stuff. Meta Knight, meta Knight, I think that's his name, oh, meta Knight.

Speaker 1 46:38

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 46:39

So I do believe that. Yeah, if you're really healing somebody in a soul level, they have to listen to their soul, their spirit, their intuition. And in psychotherapy, which just dealt with the personality, the ego, that's like just dealing with a third of a person. It's almost like someone going to a hospital and saying you know I have a problem with my knee. He said, okay, we're not going to look at your foot Like well you have to look at my foot too.

Speaker 1 47:07

No, no, no, we're just gonna look at your knee. You gotta get the whole leg, you know Right? But again, I think science confirms the existence of all of the above, right? If you just look at the lizard brain, we all have that. We also have a really sophisticated limbic system that is there for our survival, and we love to call it instinct in animals, but, god forbid. Humans have intuition, right. So, just for survival, we sense a threat or an opportunity in any little tiny bit of stimulus that enters our day. And, uh, I just think we're slowly acknowledging that it's a different vocabulary for the same phenomena.

Speaker 2 47:43

I don't know if that made sense it does because, like if you, but if you listen to, like bruce, we're slowly acknowledging that it's a different vocabulary for the same phenomena. I don't know if that made sense, it does. But if you listen to Bruce Lipton and Greg Brayden and I used to do mailings for Hay House Gia Thorloff got me into doing mailings before I had a book out there and I would look at a lot of their podcasts. I'd get their books and read them and they're very new agey scientists. Greg Brayden's definitely a scientist.

Speaker 2 48:03

Bruce Lipton's taught medical school and they still fight with people that are traditionally trained, that do not listen to them, that think that they're you know, out there, like it was the guy that Joe Dispenza, who, like, killed himself. He's a chiropractor, I believe. So there is people that are on the fray, but when people you're getting a lot of grants from certain you know, nih or other places that they're just like, you have to prove this, because a lot of science it's like a plus b equals a b, and if you don't believe that it's not a b, it's a plus b you know, if you don't believe that, you don't get published.

Speaker 1 48:41

So well, I always look at it this way. You know, even anything that's canonized by the scientific community, it's still just consensus of your peers, right? Any paper that gets published just gets the blessing of the peers, and that doesn't make for a lot of advancements.

Speaker 2 48:57

Exactly. Yeah, that's exactly it.

Speaker 1 48:59

But I think there's a lot of mechanistic ways in which, you know, you can demonstrate that our thoughts and feelings manifest themselves, and bruce lipton talks about well, I, I talk about it. You know, under hypnosis you can suggest you're burning somebody with an iron and their body will produce that burn. So the power of in the old days we would have just called it mind over matter, right, but the, the power of our thoughts and feelings to manifest, is immense.

Speaker 2 49:26

And I think there's a million ways in which, again, science, whether it's cell biology or even quantum mechanics, supports that yeah, like, for example, brian weiss, who's a psychiatrist, he's ill-trained and he, he uh, wrote the book many lives, many masters. And that's when he was working with a client who, when he said, go back to the beginning of your trauma. And she went back to a past life which he had no clue about back then. Now he's an expert, but that was a, you know, a really risky thing for him to go out and do it. People, I think he got kicked off the board or he lost his license. Something happened that was years ago.

Speaker 2 50:03

But you know, know, there's a lot of people like, yeah, opening up, pocketing, you know, saying that, combining both. Because I know, as myself, personally, I always have to watch what I do, like, for example, I was at, you know, I had a patient who had a legal problem and I've only gotten like one subpoena and that was it. And 30 years and, um, he was in the postal worker and they wanted to, um, his lawyer or his uh, what do they call it mediator, was saying, well, she's into a lot of weird stuff, she works for this major hmo, but she's into, you know, like, trusting your intuition and judge that's nothing to do with her job. Nine to five, so it doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 50:47

But he was trying to look at me, making me look like a quack.

Speaker 2 50:50

That's why I thought he was, you know, homicidal, which he really was. But it was just, it was just interesting. I mean, that was like me sweating bullets and you know, like working at that firm on Wall Street, and then my boss was like an intuitive, you know, broker, so to speak. You know, but I've always been protected and I've always asked the universe to protect me in these settings. But when I go to traditional settings, they do side-eye me if they find out she's a witch, she's a witch. Yeah, exactly.

Ascension and Universal Alignment

Speaker 1 51:20

Oh yeah and that's huge. But know what? There's probably so many closeted spiritualists on Wall Street in the tech space, yep yep, because we're all souls.

Speaker 2 51:33

That's the basic, that's my premise we're all souls real.

Speaker 1 51:36

That's why I just threw it out there that the truth resonates. I'm sorry universal wisdom resonates there. That the truth resonates, I'm sorry universal wisdom resonates. And yeah, maybe sometimes people have political reasons for not acknowledging it, like the funding in the pharmaceutical industry, blah, blah, blah. I'm so sorry we got hung up on this. Uh, I'm looking at the clock, though, and I I'd love to steer it back in case.

Speaker 1 51:56

That's what you didn't plan on talking about and it dominated the episode. Maybe we'll have you on again, but but I also just believe it or not want to ask you a kooky question, virginia and I, before you came into the room, I threw something out there. I want to ask you two questions, and hopefully you'll have something to say about them and you'll have an opportunity at the very end. You know we'll put all your links in the episode description, but anything that's really on your radar that you feel called to share with our listeners, anything you're really motivated to share with them, I'm going to prompt that in just a moment.

Speaker 1 52:30

But just for fun, virginia and I wrote down what's on our radar, our respective radars, this morning right, because it can change overnight and I wrote down a one-word theme that's really been recurring for me and Virginia wrote one down. So we just thought, hey, if we prompt you without making you a dog and pony show, do you have anything? Because we found on this podcast that, magically, there ends up being a common thread that presents itself. Right, that's the nature of dialectic and conversation it's just kind of magicic and conversation it's just kind of magic. So is there anything you're called upon to share at this moment with our listeners?

Speaker 2 53:09

um, yeah, there's so much, but I guess one intuition and ascension I think we're in right now on the planet.

Speaker 2 53:16

We're in a big ascension time, meaning we're trying to grow as souls through all this chaos and negativity and all the darkness being revealed, to be shed in the light. You know the Pluto I forgot what they call the Pluto, coming back from 1700s to now and I think people have to realize that we create our reality in many ways, we can co-create, and that we have to think about other souls and how, and that's like this is a task, this is a. This is the time of the old souls, like that's why there's eight billion people on the planet. They're here because they really wanted to grow and that's why it seems so heavy and messy and so, um, polarized is because what are you gonna choose? The light or the dark? You know, and if you choose the light, you ascend out of your body. And I'm teaching a lot. I've been connected to a couple of ascended masters and I'm teaching a lot about ascension and I have a group on facebook that has like 48 000 members.

Speaker 1 54:13

Um, that I do you mind, uh, defining ascension in this context?

Speaker 2 54:19

sure, ascension is um. Ascension is when your soul hits all the marks, just like an actor on a stage and we're actors on earth and you begin to realize that you're a soul and that you're here to grow and learn and you don't have to come back to this earth plane. You ascend out of this 3d mentality and go to 5d, which is when we co-create with the universe and the universal knowledge. And as you do, you know everyone gets a script, um, their energy signals what they're here to do, and if you really follow that path like if I didn't follow the path of being an intuitive and a healer I might end up.

Speaker 2 54:56

This may not have been my lifetime of ascension, but I decided to trust my heart and my soul. What I felt interested in and what? What happened is that the universe is like a Lotus blossom Just kept opening and opening and open Gave me more experiences, more magic, more abundance, more prosperity. I'm a social worker. Social workers don't make a lot, but I made good money. But and also, but more importantly, my heart was filled with love and light, and I love this stuff because I'm opening up other souls to their awareness that there are souls here. A lot of people don't know their souls. They feel like they grow, they live and they die. So ascension is understanding your soul. The language is intuition. You're here to grow and learn and that there's a place that you go back home, which is heaven, which is a state of consciousness.

Speaker 1 55:41

Beautiful, love it. Yeah, virginia. Did that relate at all to the word you wrote down? So I wrote down congruence and I wrote down alignment isn't that interesting isn't it interesting? It's a spirit, it just comes together, yeah well, I, I just think it's all related, it's all interrelated. So, um, that demonstrated what I, what I, knew would happen. But alignment is a loaded word.

Speaker 3 56:07

And what was yours again, uh, mine was congruence, which is basically, which is alignment, it's integration balance yeah sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 1 56:17

What? What do you care to say? What inspired that word? I know you had a crazy morning um, that's just.

Speaker 3 56:23

That's just been the word that's been circling around for me, actually not just today, it's been for the last week, because I've been trying to get my personal life and my career path life to where I because for a long time which is, you know, going into like, talking about you know stories that we live, like I I've never felt I have fully lived my, you know my actual story, the story that of who I am authentic came up earlier there's a lot of things I I've done in my life over almost 50 years, where it's been because my parents wanted it or you know, family dynamics, um, or because the career path I had before marketing like you, it's just like what you know came up how you like hide a part of you, because everybody looks, does that sideways, look at you and yeah, and so I've kind of says, my mom's passing um and going, you know, through my master's program to, to go into my licensing, um, yeah, I'm trying to.

Speaker 3 57:32

Just that's what I've been working on is that everything I am personally is also who I am outwardly to everybody else. So, yeah, the that congruent alignment of exactly who I am. I I'm not a different person. I'm not putting on different hats.

Speaker 3 57:46

The hat's always the same, I'm just in a different setting.

Speaker 1 57:51

Yep, yeah Well, that word authentic came up and I think you've. Did you get any permission today with regarding your pursuits? I mean, I've always thought it's going to be interesting the degree to which you introduce spirituality into your practice. Do you feel a little more at ease about that?

Speaker 3 58:11

I do and actually my site supervisor. Um, when you're talking about emdr, because she does emdr I'm not trained in that, but she actually does say you know who's going to be your guide, who's going to be your protector? She actually uses those words and she's like they can be real or imagined. Um, so it's when I've shadowed in those sessions with hers. It's interesting to see she brings it and um, we do crystal work, and at our site wow, you're progressive man we are progressive, so it's.

Speaker 3 58:46

It's refreshing to know like and it was it did. It took me a long time to find a site where I felt like I was being who I am and not happy to hide who I am, and building clientele that accepts that and wants that you know in their own life and I I think it helps people feel like they are fully being seen and heard. I think that's so important because I mean, that's it.

Speaker 3 59:12

You can't rewrite who you are as a person if you can't be fully accepted for who you are as a person and I think that is so key so I just I, I love what you know carolyn's doing, because that's exactly what people need, because I think a lot of us have been hiding this is a great book.

Speaker 2 59:32

Phyllis kurtach is a lawyer and she wrote a book called the book of shadows. You might really like she's a witch, you're practicing which, but she's a lawyer yeah, I'll look into that that's funny.

Speaker 1 59:44

Okay, so who knew you were going to be doing spiritual counseling? But thanks for the freebie, by the way. A little bit about me. You were going to be doing spiritual counseling, but thanks for the freebie, by the way. A little bit about me. We're going to close soon, but I just want to ask, because I wrote it down. It's a little bit about me what I'm struggling with, but I think it's very universal at this moment. So I just wonder if you have any wisdom on this front to share. I'm going to keep it intentionally vague.

Speaker 1 1:00:07

I think divisiveness has come up already today. I think it's a pretty tricky moment in terms of maintaining faith or hope or literally getting out of bed in the morning. A lot of us just feel like it's not, it's more than divisiveness, it's trying to find a way forward. So if that resonates at all, the way I look at it is, I'm a fan of manifestation and I know Marianne Williamson has come up. Is it Helen Hay or Louise Hay?

Speaker 1 1:00:38

Anyway, this whole idea of the law of attraction and manifestation has come up quite a bit. We probably all ascribe to the idea that our thoughts and feelings determine what manifests on the micro level. But what about the collective manifestation? Just turn on the news there's a very real collective manifestation at the moment. That's daunting. I think I kept it vague intentionally. I'll just throw in the word fascism on the horizon. Throw in the word fascism on the horizon. So do you have any advice about how much we need to acknowledge the collective manifestation versus just doing our inner work and hoping through the ripple effect it manifests in the collective?

Speaker 2 1:01:17

Yeah, I think that's really important, that when you do your inner work and if you really connect to your soul, you know that all the darkness is not real, it's going to disappear. That's like the Course in Miracles. There's nothing going to disappear. That's like the course of miracles. There's nothing. Nothing is real is what the book starts up.

Speaker 2 1:01:31

You know anything the darkness is not real. It's just um a projection of our own ego. And once you get rid of the ego over a while, it just disappears and there's a great book by gary reynard disappearing universe. So the more you forgive, and that really means releasing the darkness and the unconscious, um projections of fear. And that's what's going on.

Speaker 1 1:01:54

This is our we need to embrace love over fear yes, but if we do that the work individually and we choose love in every moment and we don't succumb to fear, which is ego, right, which probably accounts for a lot of the societal ills one hopes through the ripple effect. It's reflected in the collective reality we manifest, but you get judged right as being complacent or part of the problem and not the solution. Frankly, I don't really care what anyone thinks, but I think we're all in this awkward position of wondering if we need to take action. You know, even if we take the emphasis off the real world and we think internally, I just think it's an awkward moment where we feel we're not doing enough, if that makes sense yeah, that's exactly what happens.

Speaker 2 1:02:40

What you're alluding to it sounds like I'm hearing correctly is that we all do our inner work and we grow spiritually to what is right, that we start creating a different song in this universe, we create a different vibration. The darkness won't have any room because frequencies of dark and light you can't have both. They won't stay together. So there's enough of the darkness that got this energy in here and there's enough light that the darkness is pushing us to Remember. Lucifer means light bearer. It pushes to the light so that the darkness will dissipate and then people can yeah, can shift, and we would shift the vibration and that's the ascension process of the planet to going to 5D that you know. So many people were sleepwalking. That's why a lot of people use the word woke, like we're awokeoke, like wake up.

Speaker 2 1:03:29

You know, we're creating this darkness by our own projection by our own fears our own, not understanding that, not understanding that we're all souls, we're all in this pot together.

Speaker 1 1:03:42

Beautiful, yep. Well, that's what gets me up every day, for sure. I love how you put it. Um, in the interest of steering to a close, I heard a rumor that you might have a poem from your first book to share.

Speaker 2 1:03:56

That's for my second book, which is my my uh newsletters. Um, let's do. The universe, uh, the universe, the universe, universes, the universe, the universe. Universe's messages come quick and fast. These insides are like flashes they don't last. So pay attention to the chills, goosebumps and ahas. Every message is perfect and never flawed. A dynamic force of energy. The universe is real. Following its direction is like signing a lucrative deal. The the universe desires for you to fulfill your mission. Follow its steps in your spirit's intuition. The universe is inspiring us to ask and enjoy. If we follow its messages, we will always be employed. Listening to the universe seems like a trendy modern goal, but has been in business for eons to evolve your soul, Listen to the whispers and move forward with your life. Step away from the darkness and embrace the healing light.

Speaker 1 1:04:54

Beautiful. I think that's a perfect point to end on Really beautiful stuff. And you know, the magic is, I listen back to these later when I edit and so many more common threads occur, if that makes sense, and you just start to see themes that weave throughout the episode. So I know there's even more there than I realize. Thank you so much. Thank you for sharing that with our listeners.

Speaker 2 1:05:17

Thank you for inviting me. This has been wonderful. It's been great.

Speaker 3 1:05:20

Well, thank you.

Speaker 1 1:05:21

Yeah, and again, we'll have you on again, you know, if there's something we didn't get to that you would like to share, but I think there's a whole lot of beautiful wisdom in there that we can benefit from. Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 1:05:32

Oh, thank you, Dominic and thank you Virginia. You guys have been awesome.

Speaker 1 1:05:35

Likewise Okay. And to our listeners remember life is story and we can get our hands in the clay, individually and collectively. We can write a new story. See you next time.