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Unveiling Lilith: Embracing Feminine Power and Authenticity for Personal Power
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Ready to be enlightened? Join me, Bunny Love Schock, your guide on a mystical journey into the misunderstood narrative of Lilith, the first woman, a symbol of feminine power and sexuality. We trace her path from being portrayed as a demonic deity to a vital symbol in the fight against female oppression.
Our journey also takes us into the realm of self-discovery and personal growth. We ponder upon the significance of self-care, self-exploration, and embracing our primal instincts, drawing lessons from our experiences. As we discuss the power of introspection and meditation, we bring to light the influences of women like Lilith.
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Welcome to today's episode of Whiskey Made Woman with me, your host, bunny Love Shock. This is the place for all things magic, mysticism, manifestation and manifesting a really true, authentic, congruent life that is in service to you and your soul and indeed is in service to the soul of the collective, of everybody and everything that lives on the planet. In previous episodes we've touched on the importance of women like Mother Mary and Mary Magdalene, and I would be really remiss if I didn't swoop in like the happiest being and have a chat with you about Lilith. Now I'm really curious to know, even in saying Lilith's name, what comes to you. Do you even know who Lilith is? Are you thinking, oh well, I think that Lilith is blah, blah, blah? Or if you're, you're like Lilith who? Or if you're thinking, oh well, this, this feels extra mystical and spooky today. So Lilith is the first woman, the first woman, and again, this is all coming through particular lenses which I will share with you. But Lilith is a really important archetypal energy that, like Mary Magdalene, has been historically misunderstood and we are doing what we can to change that and to evolve that. Now, if we think that there is very little available with regards to Mary Magdalene. There's even less available when it comes to reading about Lilith, and in certain texts she just doesn't exist at all. So Lilith barely exists in the Bible.
Speaker 1:And one of the my most favourite conversations I ever had was with a couple who were Christians and I don't know how we got into the conversation about Adam and Eve. But Eve is also important and we'll talk about her today as well. But we got into the conversation about Adam and Eve and I had said something like, yeah, but how do you feel about Adam's first love? And they were replying with things like but that was Eve. And I said, no, lilith. Neither of them had heard of Lilith, she had no place in their experience and they were two people that were probably in their late 50s, early 60s and they had no idea and no concept that another woman existed. That actually Eve, in many ways is a patriarchal, oppressive response to how to control women.
Speaker 1:Because Lilith, the tale, the story I nearly started singing, a tale as old as time. Then Lilith, like many Sumerian, sumerian, babylonian stories, began of the dirt. She began of the earth, as, as did Adam. It is said that, you know, god made them from clay, god made them equally through from the dirt. And if we look at the Hebrew and we look at the Judaism of the stories of Lilith, it's often told although again it depends upon the lens that you're looking at this through that Lilith would not submit to Adam, and it's often told through the lens of sexual practice, in that Lilith would not lay underneath Adam and Adam refused to lay underneath Lilith, and so therefore, lilith was like well, I will see you later. Then off I pop. Now there's lots and lots of threads to this. So, really, really, just, you might have to listen to this a few times, but all of this is incredibly exciting.
Speaker 1:So Lilith is also portrayed, often in modern terms, as a demonic goddess. Of course she is. She's often portrayed as the dark one, she is portrayed as the dark mother and the dark goddess. And there are really important reasons for that as well, because actually it has a kalima energy to it, it has a keener energy to it. It has a cry to the daughters to wake up, to wake up from the repression, anything that has been suppressed, anything that has been oppressed. It's a call. Lilith is a call, a heart call for us to wake up and to come forward into our power and to speak for those who cannot speak. Lilith is incredibly powerful and, as the, sometimes she's described as the mother the mother of vampires as well. But it's like the mother, the mother of the undead, in the sense that where harm is being done to any daughters, we will not sleep through that nightmare. And that's what vampirism is, also, from a particular mythical perspective, when we look at it, it is a person that does not have capacity to sleep through the dark, a person that does not have capacity to see beyond the nightmares. You know that they must be included in the lens and in the way upon which that person sees.
Speaker 1:Vampires are incredibly interesting as an archetype. You know they are. They're often also just always so incredibly beautiful and chiseled. Have you ever noticed that? And, of course, there's this absolutely delightful twist with vampires that they drink other people's blood, which, of course, would be as a symbol of the fact they can't get outside for vitamin D, right, they can't be in sunlight, so where else are they going to get it from? Well, they'll get it from a blood bag known as a human. I just I find it all deeply, deeply fascinating.
Speaker 1:I also know, through a lot of vampiric lore as well, that actually there is a lot of sadness and grief because, you know, everybody thinks, or a lot of people think, they want immortality, but in fact what you do is you watch a lot of things die and you watch a lot of things crumble and you also watch a lot of things repeat itself. Any vampire that is potentially on the planet you know that has lived for more than a couple of hundred years they will have seen everything, not once, not twice, but thrice. They will have watched every third generation come along and just start to repeat what has already been in the zeitgeist which we're very much seeing. You know, at the moment on the planet we are nothing if not a cyclical, bizarre species of creatures as humans, and so the lens through which we can have a conversation about Lilith is one that really allows where she and where power that lives within women has been misunderstood. So for me, there's loads and loads of lovely ways to look at Lilith as well. So she and Adam basically they did not hit it off and she was like listen, there's gonna be more than one garden in the world. You know this Garden of Eden is okay, but you know I have tasted knowledge, I've tasted love, I've tasted sweetness. I think I'm just gonna go, for we too, or the world, you know. I think I'm just gonna go and have a look at what's going on Now.
Speaker 1:In a variety of stories we hear, you know, that Adam has a chat with dad. God and it's like my girlfriends left me is how I like to interpret it, but that's, you know, with joy. He's basically like the girlfriend you made for me creepy, you know has left and she won't play with me and I'm really upset about it. Go and get her dad and bring her back. So then the stories go that God sends three angels, including Gabriel, and we know that Gabriel was also hanging out, you know, with with Mother Mary and having a wee chat with her and saying, hey, we really want you to do something miraculous, can you do that for you? But you know, again, you'll be perceived in a certain way for the next 2000 years. How do you feel about that?
Speaker 1:So the angels, including Gabriel, go and have a wee chat with Lilith and she's like listen, I'm just not coming back, I'm not dying for this, living, you know, kind of in this one garden, with this one guy in this one place, having to allegedly do all his bidding. She's like we were created equally. We were created from the desert, we were created from the clay, we were created to both have knowledge and wisdom and mysticism and love, and and that includes equals in all things, including sexuality and sensuality pleasure. You know all the good stuff that rocks around the world. I don't see why I should have to submit you know why I should have to submit and the, and there are so many nuances in Lilith's story that this is what just makes it incredibly interesting. So then, you know, the angels go back to God and they say, no, that's not happening. You know she's not coming back now.
Speaker 1:At the same time, morning star they are a angel, morning star also, who becomes Lucifer, who also becomes the devil, is also having a conversation with God, saying, hey, I'm curious about what you're doing by making these things that you are calling humans. Do we think that's the right move? Is that the right thing? You know that these, you know, let this planet, you know this, this creation story and there are many, many creation stories, you know includes this love affair with the archangel morning star, which you will also know is Venus. Venus becomes the morning star, venus becomes the evening star. You know, venus and God of that interpretation having a conversation. And God says are you questioning me, are you suggesting that I don't know what I'm doing? An archangel, morning star, is saying no, no, no, I'm not questioning. I'm not questioning in that way. I'm having a conversation with you about why we're moving from creating archangels and angels with huge levels of consciousness there are dancing in the cosmos together in this way, in this spiral, in this co-creative soup, to creating angels without wings, with no consciousness. That it appears to me that they're going to struggle and I'm just not sure about that design decision at this stage. And God says well, I think it's time for you to leave.
Speaker 1:Now it is said in a lot of old texts and mythological writings that, again, morning star and God were profound beloveds that they were, they did have a deep, deep love, deeper than perhaps any of the other archangels and the creative energy known in this creation story as God. And so Lucifer was cast out. Lucifer was cast out, and then it is when he is broken on the earth, broken, winged, broken hearted, that he and Lilith are alleged to have met. Now, again, depending upon what stories we hear, it's entirely possible, given that this creation story is exactly that creation story. Technically, lucifer and and Lilith would be brother and sister. In some stories that is said that they become lovers, that they become, they become partners, they become married. And it's also said that Lilith, you know, basically goes and sleeps with loads of demons as well, because, of course, a woman who is in charge of her authority and autonomy is a woman that goes and sleeps with demons and creates demons. So we can see that there is also a lot of nasty, misogynistic and, you know, very disempowering interpretations again of Lilith and she is so rarely spoken about, so rarely spoken about that.
Speaker 1:If Lilith is an energy that has come to you or is coming to you, congratulations. And if she's coming to you via this podcast, what fun, what fun. She is very often some arch or someone, something, an archetype that arrives when we are being invited into considering a higher and more powerful perspective of ourselves and of how we come into the world and how we are in the world, and remembering that we are. I am offering you everything, especially through the podcast as well, but I'm offering you a mystical reading of all of this. So you know, when we, as Mystics, read things, we're like, ooh, did this really happen? What fun.
Speaker 1:We're also really interested allegorically in you know what's the message. So, did it really happen? What's the message? I'm also really interested metaphysically in. You know, what does this message mean to me? What does this story mean to me? Did it happen? Is it literal? Hmm, would we ever know? Anyway? Yes, there are records, yes, there are all sorts of things, but also we know that so many things have been written and unwritten and made up and and whatnot. So, did it happen? What's the message? What does this mean to me? And, of course, mystically, what does this say about the evolution of humanity? Mystically, how is this story? How is this archetype, how is this being? How is this essence? How is this helping me? How is this helping us today? What are and I use the word warnings on purpose you know where are the red flags.
Speaker 1:So if we consider that Lilith was around, you know, even older we have to, because we have to go back, like pre Babylonian times, pre Mesopotamia, we have to go right back to Samaria. So we're going, you know, you know way, way, way back here in our, in our beautiful, beautiful journey that we always go on together. You know so, even before Mary Magdalene was called a prostitute and, by the way, the sacred prostitute, really important and we will talk about her in that archetype in it in another podcast again. The sacred prostitute archetype is so important and so beautiful. We'll touch on it a wee bit with regards to Lilith, because we can't not because without Lilith there wouldn't have been the interpretation, necessarily as there was, of Mary Magdalene, but also there wouldn't be the interpretation that there is now in the world, for how many women are continuing to be oppressed and who are continue to have hands of violence laid upon them. And for every single one of us listening to this.
Speaker 1:The reason we listen to this, the reason we do this work and this work is listening to this. It's coming into these texts and these spaces and these stories so that we can be led to a higher, more powerful perspective for the good of all beings. For the good of all beings, you know. So this is why we're interested in. Did it happen? What's the message? What does it mean to me and how does this message help me and us evolve at this time on the planet? What is, what exactly is happening with this? What is happening with this? And remember that the story as far as the Bible is concerned, and indeed some of the Torah has this too, or the Madrasch as it is sometimes known.
Speaker 1:So the early interpretations of the Torah, you know, they talk about Lilith as being somewhat demonic, they talk about her as being problematic, they talk about her as just basically not being the type of partner that they had anticipated. And we also, you know, we hear then how Eve God bless her came along and instead of Eve being made, you know, kind of of the earth, she is alleged to have been made of the rib, but actually again in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the early days of the Torah and in the early days of the Torah. You know, these are from a Judaism perspective, from the interpretation of that, the word rib, really it is a translation of the word side, you know. So they were again, they were made side by side rib and actually, yeah, it doesn't mean coming coming out of, it means being made equal to equal, in equal young, equal masculine, equal feminine, and even in some creation stories, as we see from different parts of the world and around the world, we know that there are stories of how the, what we identify as being as a human was created with all genders, with all sexes, you know, with all potential for all creation inside a singular body. Amazing it is. It's in, it must be in thousands of creation stories to have a creation story that actually only sets out the sex as male and the sex as female, and that is. It is one of the most limited creation stories that exists on the planet and but it has had such a great PR job, hasn't it? A bit like Freud again? And how everything is about the mind and your childhood, you know, and actually the mind exists in the body and if we're not working with the body? And of course, why is Lilith present? Because she is a, she is a green flag to say be in your body, be in your body, be in your being. You know she is also alleged to have created. You know trouble in this idea of paradise, but it really wasn't paradise. You know it really wasn't paradise. You know, and the fact that it is claimed in many of the stories that you know that Lilith rebelled and she is still often cast out and she's still often cast as a woman to be cast out.
Speaker 1:Lilith does speak to those of us, especially those of us that do identify as being women, as those of us that have been abandoned, that have been cast out by our own mothers, whether our mothers knew it or not. It speaks to early abandonment. Lilith is hope when it comes to some of the mystical truths of us being able to return to our crown, to return also to our inner child, to return to our understanding and our boundaries. You know, those three things are really important. The head centre, as you've heard me speak about.
Speaker 1:You know what do I think about this. You know, the crown representing divinity and our regal perspective and I don't mean hashtag queen boss, by the way, you know, I mean it in the most profound, exemplary self authority perspective that there that there could be, you know, coming into the heart. What do I? You know, what do I feel about this? What do I feel about this? Where is my inner child? Where's my inner little one? How is my re-parenting going? What's happening that I can imbue myself with wisdom? Where are my revelations? Yeah, where are my revelations so that I can move to my evolutions as well? And then that coming to the place of.
Speaker 1:You know the, the horror, the understanding. What do I know about this? The understanding, the boundaries. You know, here here lives my karma and I will pay attention to it. I will pay attention to it. You know, and again, that we will no longer bow. You know we will no longer bow to that which is oppressing us. We will no longer bow to that which, you know, a really unhealthy patriarchy, and really unhealthy patriarchy has insisted we live, and so many people, by the way, consider that they, they think they're living a very healthy, loving, balanced relationship, particularly in heterosexuality, and it isn't. The relationship is full of unhealthy patriarchy.
Speaker 1:I shared in an earlier podcast as well, most of the women I know who are entrepreneurs and who are also mothers and if they have a partner that is a is a guy that is also going to work, the, the woman is still doing 75 times more the amount of labor. They're still doing an enormous amount of work, whilst being very grateful for any of the time and attention that the man brings into the relationship. Now, this is not me man bashing in any way, shape or form. It's an invitation to come into a little bit more of what is truly going on if you're a person that isn't sleeping well or eating well or resting well, or able to find time to nourish your body and your being and to come into the cells of you, and yet you're managing to pack all the kids off to school and your husband to work and then come home and you're seeing clients, and you're seeing clients right to before you go to sleep. And then you're also still not seeing yourself and you're wondering why your business is feeling a bit higgledy-piggledy and perhaps why your relationship with yourself, or indeed your sensuality, your sexuality, is feeling off. It is because you are exhausted and doing way, way, way more than a single human is is made to do is made to do.
Speaker 1:We see a lot in the entrepreneurial world again about what should be outsourced, and it's so interesting to me that women recommend to other women that they outsource things like child care and spending time with children and even caring for the home, although all these things are totally whatever you want them to be and whatever works for you. These this is what's important, but actually so that a woman could spend more time with her business, you know that's where the balance is a wee bit off if you're working with a coach or mentor or guide who's insisting that you create more financial freedom in order to create more time for you to spend with your business. The balance is off there. The balance is off there. The reason you want to create more time, freedom, is to be able to do the things that you want to do and indeed, if you are a woman who's resourced, help another woman who isn't, help another woman who isn't see what there is to be explored within that. You know, and that is very much Lilith.
Speaker 1:Lilith's lesson to us all is to take a higher perspective and be willing to receive grace, to see that bird's eye view, to be the eagle, to fly up, as we spoke about in a previous podcast. Also, don't be the pigeon. You've seen a pigeon trying to take off my goddess, all that, her rumping and whacking around of wings and eventually that wee pigeon will flap a flap, flap, flap, a way to wherever it's trying to get to. But you want to be the eagle, you want to be Lilith. Take to the sky, take a higher perspective, receive the grace and then celebrate that capacity to have that view of what is happening so that you can bring it through straight as an arrow you know, straight also as a sword.
Speaker 1:Joan of Arc energy here. Joan of Arc, lilith, totally, totally cut from the same cloth archetypally, and then, you know, come into being a being that is filled with light and not filled with resentment or exhaustion or or repression. You know anything that's in you. I know if my teeth come out, if my wolf mother teeth come forward, if my chin comes forward, I've gone into my animal in such a way that I'm really in, actually I consider a healthy primal state, because my being is able to express that it is unhappy that a boundary is being crossed. I have to move with that and dance through that to come into a place of then using my words, obviously, and being able to communicate to a person or people. This isn't right. What's happening here isn't right. We're going to stop that. We're going to find another way Again, we're going to sketch. There's a million billion different ways that we can do things, so let's find some other ways to do things. But this, this isn't working. This isn't working and you have a right to finesse and to tune in to your life in that way, every single way, every single day, every single day, and then we can come into a really, really beautiful place of.
Speaker 1:Basically, you know, lilith for me is cut in the bullshit and mended in the heart. You know, she's also this invitation when we talk about that animal of us, which we can sometimes be a wee bit scared of, you know, and somatically, it's essential to understand the animal of us. Because we are animals, we think, because we use things like napkins and cutlery and have fridges and postcodes, that we are not an animal, but we are probably one of the most animalist animals that there is on the planet somewhat chaotic, it absolutely has to be said, but animal nonetheless, lilith can often be. You know your fear also of being seen, your fear of saying the wrong thing, and, my goodness, where does that show up for so many women? It shows up in parentification as children, abandonment from caregivers, bringing ourselves up latchkey kids, fear of saying the wrong thing, becoming the empath due to early trauma, early neglect and, you know, and then maybe feeling a wee bit ashamed about that too. You know, because again, we're supposed to in inverted commas respect the caregiver, parents, the person or people that were there, but they may very well have been pretty shit at their job. It also means our grandparents were probably quite shit at their job too.
Speaker 1:Grandparents get off the hook for so many things. I love my grandparents, you know I love them alive and I love them. Now they're on the other side. The older I get, though, the more I recognise that their hand at creating you know, especially my mother, the way that she is is very much influenced by them and their ongoing relationship. So they're not, you know, we are coming to a place of compassion to get them off the hook, but also I won't romanticise that my grandparents didn't have anything to do with the way that the generation after them are showing up.
Speaker 1:Very, very important to recognise that also with grace and with care, and that when it comes to this generation, and again when you start working, should you be called, and this is what more of the work that I'll be offered next year within the Made into Mother work that is going to be returning as well. That's something that's going to be coming out of retirement, which I'm very excited about. We're going to be working more with Lilith. We're going to be working more with Lilith in the abundant heart training as well. We're going to be working more with Lilith in there, you know where are you frightened of being seen and you might not know, and that's okay.
Speaker 1:You know you're fear of saying the wrong things. Well, let's have a wee practice about that. I say the wrong things all the time. And why are they wrong? They're not, you know, they're not wrong. They're just. They're things that we can be frightened about saying because we don't want to upset somebody else. Because, again, women are often living with an enormous amount of people pleasing and an enormous amount of codependency and we don't want to admit that.
Speaker 1:We do want more, you know, and so when we're again, when we're manifesting, we often come into a place of manifesting what we think are things. But actually we want more money to be able to invest in better healthcare. We want more money to be able to buy, you know, a pair of boots that last longer than a winter. We want more money to be able to invest into supporting. You know the, the women of the world that are really going through a tremendously challenging time. You know there are children and mothers that are being buried all over the world, and there are also children and mothers who are struggling closer to home, and that work can be incredibly challenging for us. You know the idea of volunteering at something like women's aid or a shelter, or gifting or doing any of these things it can. It has shame associated with it, because there's part of us that doesn't want to admit that that might have been us too.
Speaker 1:I've experienced probably everything their bloody is to experience as a woman. There isn't anything that I haven't experienced or moved through. There isn't? It's just extraordinary to me, given the amount of knowledge and wisdom I've had. But for a long time I had no autonomy of myself and I had no authority of myself. You know I recovered. You know I recovered from a lot that I really, really would love to have not experienced. And then also there are many things that I didn't experience. You know there is a huge amount of childhood neglect. There is a huge amount of nourishment that I didn't experience as a child, particularly emotionally, and so I've created, you know I've created a world where, where that is possible.
Speaker 1:But what I do know in working with Lilith is that sometimes, if I'm in a friendship or a relationship or a partnership or just any any type of connection with a person, and if I start to feel like I'm over giving, then I know I've stepped out of that really healthy Lilith space as well. You know, where actually I'm suddenly far too concerned about the other person. You know and I've done this in business quite a lot as well. We do do it as women. We're forever trying to rescue a sister or a potential sibling or daughter or any of these things, and there's goodness and there's grace at the heart of it, but actually it can be very, very harmful. It can be very, very harmful.
Speaker 1:And you might have a friendship with somebody you know that you work with, and you also, but you might have a really healthy friendship. But maybe something about the work that you're doing together is a bit higgledy, piggledy. That's a great opportunity to be in a place of fearing saying something wrong and just giving it a wee go. Anyway, I'm not sure how I feel about this, you know. And then it's this wonderful thing that happens when we're working with Lilith that you can start to move from feeling a wee bit like tongue tied and ticked away to just saying stuff as it is. This is what I need. Can you give that to me, yes or no? Amazing. Thanks very much for making that clear. What do you need? Can I give that to you? I can give you that, but I can't give you that. But I tell you who can I tell you who can give you that. I tell you who can supply that for you?
Speaker 1:So the energy of Lilith is one that invites us to really assert our needs. But asserting our needs is often the thing that's been inhibited in us and that is so much of my work. I really really recognize that. I was trying to put the word really and recognize together in one. We almost had another new word there, my loves. We almost did another new word together.
Speaker 1:But actually assertion can often be inhibited or repressed because we also think that being assertive and let's talk about we've all met those people right who say they're assertive and they're absolute dingbats, quite frankly, that you just want to, well, I just want to put people on a boat and send them to a small island and leave them to it. So there is that. You know that I've had loads of conversations with people over the year, you know, and folks say things like I'm just being honest and you think, oh, are you a narcissist or I'm just asserting myself? And you think, mm-hmm, now you're trying to bully and overpower me. So it makes sense when we feel a bit confused about how do we assert, actually asking for, for what we need. You know, how do we come into that place and in.
Speaker 1:Really, it's about beginning to have a relationship with your primal needs, your instinctional feminine needs, you know, and then how you choose to practice to put those needs first, without seeking approval from anyone. That, to me, feels like being assertive. I'm not asking anyone's permission for what I need and in the mornings, this is what I'd really invite you to do as a wee practical practice. Good lord, that was a terrible sentence, but you know, what I mean is to give yourself permission to ask what you need. What do I need today? What do I need today? And it could go from being as massive as I need somebody else to take the kids to school and need somebody else to do the washing and really need somebody else to, you know, go grocery shopping to, for example. I need a new job. My current job is absolutely crushing me. Or I need some different clients because the way I'm working is evolving and actually I recognize that the way that I'm working and the clients that I'm working with they aren't, they aren't lined up anymore, you know, or it could be.
Speaker 1:I just need a wee gentle, somatic practice to get into my body. It could be, actually, I'm gonna go for a walk. It could be, you know, really, if I'm being honest and you need some more money, I would love some more money. You know, I'd love to be able to do x, y and z with that. Yeah, and again being able to be truthful about that. And if you do that every day for a week, see where you get, to see what themes come up.
Speaker 1:If you did that for you know, the next couple of weeks again notice the themes that are coming up and then give yourself, you know, the the opportunity also to to acknowledge that that is self-care. You know, what do I need? What do I need? What am I looking for? You know, we talked, we spoke about that, I think, in one of the previous podcasts as well. You know, what am I looking for? What is it that isn't here? Or is it here and it's hidden in amongst some of the things that I've gathered as my spiritual tools that mean that actually I can't really see the thing that I'm trying to get to amongst this. So a really beautiful Lilith Mantra is I practice self-care, I practice self-care.
Speaker 1:Lilith, again, is our emblem for being like I'm not gonna hang out in this one garden of Eden. You know, I'm gonna go for a wee wander, gonna check it out. You know, even when my boyfriend, ex-boyfriends, mates, the angels coming trying, you know, talk me into going back, I'm not gonna. I'm gonna see what else is out here. And even if I'm vilified for it and, let's be honest, I often feel, and certainly I remember, after turning 40 I really had the sense of entering like my villain era. But what villain actually meant for me was was identifying what I needed and then and then receiving it. So if that, you know, if that's what a villain era is, I'll take it over and over and over again.
Speaker 1:You know, I give myself the nurturing and the love that I need on a daily basis. I give myself the nurturing and the love that I need on a daily basis. You know, I didn't have that as a kid. I didn't really have that as a teenager. I certainly didn't have that as a 20-something, as I was involved in all sorts of interruptions to my peace. You know. So I choose today. You know this is this is my daily mantra I choose to give myself the nurturing and love I need on a daily basis. I practice my self-care, you know, and through this, through giving myself the nurturing and the love that I need. On a daily basis, I attract people in my life who will naturally radiate this back to me. Isn't that gorgeous? So, and through this, I will attract people into my life who will naturally radiate this back to me.
Speaker 1:So, then, what we're beginning to do is move out of that role of rescuer, we're moving out of that role of victim. We're moving out of that sort of placement, as it were, of it being feeling like it's our singular responsibility to save the world, where, whereas each of our responsibilities are to identify our needs and nurture them, and then, in doing that, we're resourced internally and externally, and then we're, we're absolutely able to come into a place of, I would say, a loving assertion, or certainly noticing what has been inhibited in us. So, you know, for me as a, as a dancer okay, so one of the things I've done is I've completely inhibited myself when it comes to contemporary dance. So, at some point, because of a large amount of interruption to my physical, mental, spiritual piece, I decided that I wasn't allowed to dance anymore and that I certainly couldn't call myself a dancer. But I was a professional dancer and choreographer for years.
Speaker 1:You know I excelled at storytelling. You know I wasn't the most and look, this is me doing it. I wasn't the most technical dancer, but actually that's not what tells stories. You know it's not. You know a technicalness, not a word. Sort of is, sort of isn't, but actually Our storytellers are what tell stories, you know. And actually what I'm looking for at the moment is, I'll add, to go to a contemporary dance class, you know, to go to a tap class, because I've been inhibiting those parts of me and let's think about this as well.
Speaker 1:You think about who you are as a teenager 20 something, even a 30 something and listen, you might be somebody that's still dancing, but part of the reason I think that going to clubs and things like that is teens, 20s, 30s etc is we dance out. We somatically tend to all the crap we'd experienced during the week. You dance that and you'll left it all on the dance floor and then you went back into another week and I guarantee you this is also why a lot of people say I felt braver when I was younger. I felt like I had more courage when I was younger because you danced, because you moved, because you allowed your somatic practice to include the drum beats and the magic of what it is to be in a tribe, on a dance floor, on a, whatever the nights were Wednesday, thursday, friday, saturday and then, of course, let the shamans always ask us you know, when did you stop dancing? When did you stop dancing?
Speaker 1:And this idea about what it is to have been a professional dancer, I don't feel like that. By the way, about anything else, about you know, a professional fundraiser who's brought in over 100 million and still, you know, still, fundraisers. I don't feel that. About being a executive producer of some, you know I would not come out of retirement. But you know, if somebody said to me, hey, there's this amazing production gig, I wouldn't be like no, no, I used to be a professional producer but I'm not anymore.
Speaker 1:It's so interesting, these areas that are becoming inhibited in us for a variety of reasons. And notice what you're noticing, and that is absolutely, for me, one of the joys of Lilith as well cut the bullshit, mend the heart Again. That's what we do in the abundant heart training and I'm using the word training more, by the way, because that's what it is, that's my responsibility. I can help you, I can train you in how to connect and heal your heart, and then you can, you can cut through the bullshit too, so that you can design the life that you absolutely love and you can move forward from there. I am a catalyst for change. I always have been. It's really, really important.
Speaker 1:There's a fierceness, you know, that exists in me and sometimes I repress that too, more commonly known as my angry gnome. But even in doing that, I am belittling my feminine rage by calling it an angry gnome. Angry gnome is great because it translates and it's a wee bit softer and it exists within the world of the fairy and the fairy. And of course, that's absolutely right. But a lot of what I suppress is the power, is the power that I have and the power that I've always had. It is being a beacon and it is being seen. And one of those reasons is also because of a lot of familial jealousy that happened through women, and also a lot of women have. I've experienced them being jealous of me.
Speaker 1:When I've been in a variety of places, even with my body, you know, when I've been different sizes and different shapes and different strengths, all these different types of things, you know I attracted a lot of attention. I felt like I attracted unwanted male gaze, but I also feel like I attracted unwanted female gaze. So then I have sort of shape shifted wee bit in order to maintain that. But it doesn't do any good, it's not. It's certainly not doing me any good, and that's not to say, by the way, that you're suddenly going to see loads of me in a different way, but but it also it might be. You know, as I love myself through everything, as I nurture and feel nurtured, and again, this is what Lilith invites us to do. You know, lilith is very much, again, like the her symbol. Her sigil is, you know, saturn symbol with a scythe or a sickle. So think of it like I think of it like a capital C, then with a sword sort of dropping out the bottom, if you will. You know, and for those of you that have known me for a long, long time, I often get my side out to cut stuff down.
Speaker 1:I do imagine as well that my work will evolve even more fully, especially between this and 50, right, 45 now, moving up to 50. There is an intensity at midlife which really is about burning through the fluff. It really is this energy of. Is this the thing, or am I masking the thing? Like what is it really? You know, what is it really? What is it we're really doing? We just don't have time Again we have.
Speaker 1:We have people, we have women who are still being oppressed worldwide, and it's time that we move more towards our freedom in any which way that we can, you know. So those, this symbol of femininity, of courage, of strength, of rebellion, of women's equality, with an independence from anything that is causing an interruption to peace or pain or violence, is done, and we do do that through radical self-awareness and through radical self-love and through making peace with the seat of your power, which very, very well could be Lilith, you know which again is this, this, absolutely this woman that has been vilified and demonized for eons, not even centuries, eons, multiple eons, and so we really, really want to change that, we want to move that, you know, we want to pay attention to that, you know. And wherever Lilith pops up in mythology, you know, you'll almost always find that theme of basically patriarchy, forcing women into submission, and we shall submit no more, no more. You know, and originally, you know, she wasn't, I don't think, meant to be political, as it were, but you know her recent power, we feel it. We feel it. You know, it's like it's the, if you look at actually, where, astrologically, where the Lilith placement was, when the Me Too movement really gained momentum after years of development, after years of energy and woman hours going into that, like Lilith, was very, very much in the, in the way that we were looking at the world at that point.
Speaker 1:You know, develop she invites, developing a strong sense of self-awareness and thoughtfulness that can help us also be balanced. You know a constant self-reflection and you know, and meditation again, what do I need today? What do I need today? You know what's happening in my world that feels true, what's bullshit. You know what needs mended in my heart. How can I practice some more self-care by being really honest about actually this is killing me, or that's destroying me, or that's actually of no interest, or I'm in this marriage and I don't want to be, or I'm not in this relationship but I would like to be, or you know, I have these experiences of abandonment and I keep thinking I need to be more independent, whereas what you, sweet love, need is people who can be around you more and more and more. It's so weird why, when we think what we haven't had, we have to sort of keep not having that. You know it's for me, having experienced high levels of abandonment and neglect, it makes so much sense that my husband and I that James and I he also experienced, you know, levels of neglect and abandonment. It makes so much sense that he and I are incredibly comfortable being at home together, working, you know, in different offices for sure, but actually being able to come in and out of one another's day all day, every day, and that feel perfectly lovely, because what it is allowing and has allowed us to do and we do have the plague to thank for this, actually, because it did mean James was then working at home it allowed us to then actually be in one another's space more often.
Speaker 1:And if you were a kid whose nervous system was dysregulated by neglect and by abandonment, by being left on your own, then what you need is to have people around you. You do not need to get through it alone, you don't need to work it out on your own. You spending more time on your own is not the medicine. It is not the medicine. It's the opposite, in fact. It's the opposite. And in partnership you will.
Speaker 1:For a partnership it doesn't mean it is going to be the forever partnership, but to heal and to contribute towards that healing partnership, that healing part of what you want is actually the capacity to spend a lot of time with a person and have them in your world and experience the idea of being irritated or dependent, as you discover that, for example, you are not irritated, you're frightened and you feel vulnerable being around someone, because part of you might be thinking oh, my god, are they going to leave me, are they going to go? So then, often what we do and I do this sometimes as well, and I've done this in my past is I will be the first to go, because then it means I'll have done it before the other person. But actually, when we can sit in those seats that are really uncomfortable for us, you know, I feel like I want to go, I feel like I want to leave, I feel like I want to move. Okay, let me move, let the animal love me move. Then that's how we can also become advocates for the things that are really really important to us. That's how we can become advocates for women, and really that's what more of my work is leaning towards. My work is for everyone to have a place, everyone to feel loved, everyone to experience love, everyone to love and be loved.
Speaker 1:And I would also say as well, it's becoming abundantly clear that this season, this season of Lilith, as I might think of it, you know, tracing Lilith's legend and bringing her forward, you know, bringing her into a place where we can include her, where we can include her, is so incredibly important. We have to keep our hearts open, we have to keep our minds open every new generation that comes in. You know, we've got to not reiterate those outdated interpretations, especially when it comes to women such as Lilith or Mary Magdalene Calima. You know Joan of Arc, you know any of these types of women, even Cleopatra or any of the other queens that existed at an extraordinary, extraordinary time. You know, just thinking about it as well from a cultural referencing perspective, I tell you right now, meghan Markle is a brilliant societal representation of Lilith in how women do not like her, in how many many women don't like her, and they've got lots and lots of opinions about her, because she's a woman who's speaking up for what she needs and what she wants and not playing ultimately by the old guard and being a bit rolling of the old eyes.
Speaker 1:You know, around some of the royal protocol, like some of this stuff that she had to put up with before she was married, you know, like not being allowed to walk on certain bits of carpet beside Harriet, etc. Like if you're not brought up around any of that, you would just think, I beg your pardon, you know, I had seven orgasms with that man last night. What do you mean? I can't walk down the carpet beside him. What are you talking about? Like I was just wearing his shirt whilst we were making breakfast. What are you talking about?
Speaker 1:What is happening, you know, and so the universe's plan is for all of us to mature and evolve. Excuse me, the universe's plan is for us to remember our fearlessness, and by fearless I mean fear. Pause less, fear, pause less. To be fearless is to fear less. Just a little bit at a time, as you reclaim yourself, as you get curious about some of this folklore even, and as this mysticism and this magic that exists, and so that you know, even within Lilith's description, for example, she's very much also like Inanna, or Hakate, you know, if we look back, hakate being the goddess of the four crossroads or the crossroads which, by the way, if anybody ever says to you you're standing at crossroads, you know how are you going to make up your mind, you've got four directions, including the one that you just came from. Okay, so you can always go back the way you came. Don't let anybody ever tell you that you can't do that. So Hakate, you know also being a beautiful goddess, you know, and the crossroads indeed became, was bastardised and it became. It became the cross. It became the cross of Christianity. It was another thing that was borrowed from a place of faith that was already existing and Hakate, of course, was also cast out.
Speaker 1:You know the goddess of darkness, the dark mother, you know the place to be ignored, a worshiper of the devil or satanic ritual. And actually, you know there's so much to be said for being in a relationship with the darkness of us, with what's been repressed, you know, and with what's been oppressed. And that's often why, as well, a lot of modern faiths don't want people hanging out in the shadows, because guess what? You'll rediscover things about yourself that you really love and that you want to bring to light and that you don't want to feel inhibited around anymore. But you know, lilith is often said to have had the upper body, you know, of a woman, and the lower body of a bird. She's said to also have had wings, you know.
Speaker 1:But all of this is rooted, I would say, in somewhat in the, in a fear of feminine sexuality, in an idea that in a way actually, you know, a woman could it's almost like a woman could swallow a world because she but, but in that she is creating the world. You know, I think it's very interesting how a lot of heterosexuality can be this idea that, like, the penis is what's penetrative, as opposed to it being the vulva, the vagina, the womb which is actually engulfing, bringing in, welcoming. I mean, you tell me where the power lies at that point. Technically, it should be equal, by the way, you know. But actually, let's be honest, there's this, this idea of things be of having something done to you, as opposed to a drawing in, a choosing, a sipping, an inhale. You know, all of these ways that we can start to think about sexuality and sensuality in a really, really different way, and Lilith is a tremendously important part of that as well.
Speaker 1:You know, lilith, for me, is about the light. When we talk about her, we bring her into the light, we bring her out of the shadows. But I would happily pack good snacks and go, you know, go to the underworld to hang out with her, and that's the great work in the made into mother experience as well is that we do, you know, go into the underworld. We do go, you know, downstairs, as it were. You know this idea that hell is somewhere that we go to after. I don't know of anybody that believes in the concept of heaven and hell has seen what's going on on the planet, but we've pretty much created it verbatim on the planet right now. You know Dante's Inferno is now happening right now and again, as we come into the more power, as we come into personally being able to identify what we want, you know what we want to experience, what we don't want to experience. You heal that within yourself and then you're also able to heal that outside of yourself too. You know there's also thinking about Lilith as well. It's interesting. There's like the Arabic story. You know that Solomon suspected that the Queen of Sheba was also Lilith, because the Queen of Sheba, of course, was, you know, said to be so powerful. And it's so interesting I'm just having core memory, gosh that's so interesting. This is what happens when you work with Lilith. This is shadow work happening real time, and this is why shadow work also gets to be fun and light, by the way. So this is such a gorgeous experience.
Speaker 1:When I was little, when I was wee, and even when I was a teenager, women in the family would say to me who do you? Who does she think she is? Does she think she's the Queen of Sheba? Who does she think she is? See that disdain, it almost makes me go a bit deaf and blind at the same point, because it just cuts through my existence in such a way. And so do you know what I say? Aunties and great-grandparents, yes, yes, I am the Queen of Sheba. Thank you so much for recognizing it. Now, bow, I get to do that. That is me re-parenting myself right there. That is me meeting those horrible, jealous voices of family that allegedly say I love you, who does she think she is the Queen of Sheba? Yes, yes, I do. Yes, I do you know. Finally, off my grandpa, who I love dearly, he used to also say things to me Like he was. Like you know, you like yourself so much that if you were a bar of chocolate, you'd lick yourself. Yeah, all right, I would. Yeah, thank you. That's how sweet I am. I mean, honest to God. See, when you grow up with people say this type of bullshit to you. You don't need anybody else saying it to you. My goodness, it's so, so interesting.
Speaker 1:So we have Arabic stories. You know the soul of Solomon thinking Queen of Sheba, lilith being the same, my goodness. We also have, you know, lilith being interpreted in pre-Islamic. You know Arabian goddess, forms such as such as Athena oh, sorry, that's not, that's Greek. I beg your pardon, my brain has gone all over the place. Sorry, sorry, but there are Arabic legends again, yeah, kind of counting Queen of Sheba, and then, of course, yet daughters. You know Lilith being considered at some points as a daughter of Allah, a daughter of the of the prophet, the prophet Muhammad, you know. And then we also have, yeah, the equation potentially to Greek goddesses. You know Athena and Aphrodite as well. So you know, this is really an introduction to Lilith. This is a, this is a mini class, if you will, in the joy of Lilith and everything that she has to bring.
Speaker 1:Just to say, more than anything, you know, we started at the top of this, at the top of this call, talking about, you know, the archetypal female energy of Lilith that has ultimately been historically misunderstood. So we don't, we don't want to keep misunderstanding that we want to go through this process again from a place of mysticism. Did it happen? What's the message? You know? What does it mean to me and what does this say about my evolution and my part of the evolution as the evolution of humanity as well, and how, in reading or considering the story or the experience excuse me of Lilith, can I be led to a higher and more powerful perspective?
Speaker 1:You know, because, again, where is our fear of being seen? Where is it hiding my love? What are you? What are you? What are you worried about being seen? I guarantee it's your greatness and your fabulousness. I guarantee it's your goodness, sometimes as well. I guarantee you know.
Speaker 1:The other thing that might be hiding is actually your mediocrity, and I say that with a lot of love and small swoopy letters or averageness. I am average. It's so many things. I have got no problem with that whatsoever. What I'm really strong at is giving stuff a go and not caring about it being average.
Speaker 1:But what I hide often is greatness and power and magic, and but what I also know and I bring that thing up about hiding sort of the everydayness often women who are addicted to being perfect. They won't let you see them being less than perfect. Which is why when we then see stuff, say on social media, or you meet some people, you're like, hmm, something just feels a bit weird. You know when actually that is that that person is curating and calculating. And here we are. Here is the shadow side of Lilith manipulating the outcome, you know when it's playing a game of chess with too many people's hearts. So we want to cut through that bullshit too.
Speaker 1:All of you in your wholeness, is allowed to be fully expressed. All of you in your wholeness, as part of the oneness, is allowed to be fully asserted. Lilith energy demands assertion, but not in this sort of punchy, pointy way that we've been talking about. But really, in this place of yin and yang, in this place of, actually there's a little bit yin and yang and vice versa. You know, there's a there's a little bit of Darth Vader in Luke Skywalker and there's a little bit of Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader, and that's a beautiful truth. You know, and again, in any set of circumstances, anything is possible, anything is possible. And for me part of you know, training in seminary and training as a interfaith minister and becoming a reverend was I had to really go to the depths and the darkness of myself and be like my God. That's in there too. How long have you been in there? You know, let's get you a bath and a picnic, sweet baby heavens. So there's everything that's in us. And when we heal shame and we come into our place of vulnerability, that's where anything begins to be possible from. And Lilith is gorgeous.
Speaker 1:If you want to learn more about Lilith, I would say have a chat with her in meditation, say hello to her. Don't welcome her straight into your altar. Okay, she's very powerful. Okay, baby, which is okay, just listen to me on this one, listen to your mama witch here today. So she's very powerful. So get to know Lilith like a first day, a second day, a third day and so forth. Say hi to her by some roses.
Speaker 1:There's an old legend as well that actually white roses were what existed on the planet until Eve was created, and then that's where the where, that's where the red rose was born. But I love the idea that we see that in old wars that existed in in old Britain, you know around the red and the white rose, for heaven's sake. And also Eve will give more time to, because I really, really do feel for her, my goodness, and if we want to know where perfectionism comes from in an unhealthy patriarchal world that has been embodied by women, it's in the, it's in the shadow aspects of the Eve archetype as well. But I think that Eve and you know there's stories where actually Lilith just wanted to go and get Eve and rescue her and just take off so they could have their own adventures. You know there's so much, there's so many stories that pertain to that too.
Speaker 1:And there's also stories that actually it was Lilith that was the snake, because as far as I'm concerned, the snake was never the problem. This, if the snake was Lilith, and we think about that gorgeous reptilian snake wisdom, and I don't know if you've ever held a snake, but they love, they purr. I don't know if you know, if you've ever had this experience. I cannot tell you how delighted myself now and my inner child was, the first time I experienced a snake purring. They emit an energetic frequency which is like, which is like, oh, it's like nothing I've ever experienced. It's not like it's different from a cat and it's different from a horse or a shark or a dolphin, or, and you're like, yes, these of course, these are all animals that you've had experiences with, but a snake wrapped across your heart, voving as I think of it like a lion, oh, I mean, that's. That is mystical, that is mysticism at its absolute, most extraordinary, extraordinary experience. And also because snakes are blind, so they, you know they are, their tongues are sensing, their skin is sensing, they are, they are, they're like silk, you know, they feel like silk and they, they want to get comfortable. And then when they've and I remember, speaking to the snake mama, who's snakes I was very blessed to be invited to hold because they are, they are very, very sacred here's me in my very varies, again, my goodness that she was so surprised that I was able to pick up on all of that snake communication, and I was, I was delighted that I was able to do that as well, because they are incredibly magical.
Speaker 1:So consider this, consider that the snake that goes and has a wee word with Eve who says, hey, just a wee nibble of that apple is about bringing forward more consciousness, is about bringing forward more wisdom. You know, why is wisdom? Why is consciousness the forbidden fruit? I think that's a much more interesting question than let's blame Eve for eating the apple. And also, adam has the Adam's apple, and we don't really talk about that. You know that's all in there too. So consider also that there is a love story of Lilith, who also has a sister, eve, and they just want to hang out in the world of their own creation in a way where you know they're giving birth to creativity, magic, connection, reciprocity, a Regalness which is really progressed and mature. And this is also the invitation of Lilith and of deed, of Eve.
Speaker 1:Eve is very maiden and we have got so many eaves on the planet, like right now, I love you all so much. I really really do. We need more Liliths is what we need. We need our eaves to be eaves and we need our Liliths to be Liliths. It's really, really important.
Speaker 1:And Again, when we get over these awful, awful ways that and these awful historical misunderstandings, then again we start to be able to come into these expressions of Strong identity where you can explore. You know your personal passion, you know where you can even you can explore via Lilith as well. You know how your sexuality informs your life. If it does. You know how you're got instinct and your intuition and form your life, or where you're afraid to trust yourself, where you're afraid to trust your gut instincts, where you're afraid to Trust your sexuality and your sensuality, where you might even be afraid to let your sexuality move or shift or go on more of an arc or a curve, or you know, any of these, which ways? Any of these, which ways?
Speaker 1:So our Eve energy, our maiden energy, is so, so important. You know, we need the maiden of us, we need the spring of us. But if we are hanging out in the spring of us beyond I'm honestly gonna say 35, 36 we start to see some challenges and problems. And then, if we're hanging out just in our Eve energy in our forties, that's when we start to feel really tired because we're asking a younger part of us to lead that that isn't supposed to be leading. She's supposed to be doing lots of other stuff, you know. But we need to come into Lilith, we need to come into that archetypal mother energy. We need to come into the fire of us a wee bit more. Our summer are, you know, the sun. We need to shine a light on the shadows of ourselves, to find out where the gold is, to bring it forward, so that we can all be catalysts for transformation and catalysts for change.
Speaker 1:My goodness. There's so much more I could say about this, but look, we're sitting. It was just over an hour for this one. This might be the longest body yet. Thank you so much for staying with me, and as I'm recording this, it's 11 11 on Monday, the 11th of December, so I'm delighted that I've just seen that as well. That's so, so wonderful. I Can't wait to hear what you have to think about this one. You know, leave me a wee message. You know, share on social media. Thanks for leaving a five-star review and a written review on Apple podcasts as well. You are so, so welcome here, being part of this really rapidly evolving whiskey made woman podcast, which is so much about our magic, our mysticism and our manifestations. I'm bunny love shock, your host. I'm delighted to have spent this time with you and I'll see you in the next episode of whiskey made woman.