In M.A.K We Trust

In this episode, Asaad The Artiz and Kemistree are back with a raw and unfiltered conversation that sets the tone from the jump. The two open up with real vulnerability—diving into personal growth, internal battles, and the realities of life right now. Asaad reflects on his struggle between speaking his thoughts versus expressing his true feelings, while Kemistree shares her transition into adulthood and navigating the working world.

After the music intro, the conversation shifts as they unpack Jay-Z’s recent GQ interview—sparking a deeper dialogue around capitalism, success, and how it shapes artistry in hip-hop. From there, they react to the controversy surrounding Pooh Shiesty and Gucci Mane, questioning street culture, accountability, and where the narrative often goes wrong. The discussion evolves into a deeper level of understanding—and even a direct question posed to Gucci Mane himself.

To close out the episode, the duo offers heartfelt advice to a couple facing commitment challenges, blending perspective with real-life wisdom.

Throughout the episode, thought-provoking questions are raised

• Would you rather be loved and broke or respected and rich?
• Could you realistically make $100K last a full year?
• And what does financial success really mean in today’s world?

Big shoutout to R.u.d.e Music Ent—make sure to tap in with their music and check out KHHA LP Arcata 94.7 FM.

Follow the movement: @rudemusicent @thamakpodcast

Transcript

SPEAKER_05 0:00

So I'm gonna hit record and make sure we hear make sure that we hear white chick one two one two one two.

SPEAKER_11 0:06

I love how fast and went from I'm feeling good, you say I'm feeling great. And he was like, actually. Yeah, no, we'll go keep it buck here. There we go. Okay, tell the truth. Shame the devil, baby.

SPEAKER_05 0:16

All right. Do you do do we want to start with uh mentally, spiritually, or physically?

SPEAKER_11 0:21

I got it. Let's let's let's go let's go down the line. Let's start with the mental.

SPEAKER_05 0:26

Glad you started to go.

SPEAKER_11 0:28

Let's keep it alive.

SPEAKER_05 0:30

Glad you want to start there. Alright. Mentally, I'm in the gutter, yo. It's bad. It's bad work. Uh this past like week and a half, I've been very, very emotional. And I often tell people what I think rather than how I feel. I don't do that. That's not what I do. But because I'm understanding the the power of words and how words can be very impactful. If I speak on how I feel or coming from how I feel.

SPEAKER_11 1:04

As long as you get actually hit the way you need it.

SPEAKER_05 1:08

And it's not gonna be nice. Too much of my hard work at the core. I'm rude.

SPEAKER_11 1:18

So mentally you're learning how to let some your emotions in.

unknown 1:25

No.

SPEAKER_05 1:26

Mentally, I'm like, okay, you're in this process right now. You know what I'm saying? Like this is good for balance. Like, you know what I mean? Like you need to speak on how you feel sometimes. Versus what you think. Versus what you I can't take the reins the whole entire I need a break. Your brain needs a break.

SPEAKER_11 1:43

That's what I'm saying. Cause now we're going into like the spiritual part of it, because that is feeling. That is you speaking on how you feel.

SPEAKER_05 1:50

You feel what I'm saying? So you know, good for a little little release, but now I gotta like you know get back on it.

unknown 1:56

You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_11 1:57

Well, you just started with the release. Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_05 1:59

Hey, hey, this is it's a tough one. Okay, you know what though?

SPEAKER_11 2:02

I'll take I'll take the salt dab of it. You feel me? But so and so with how how does it make you um do you feel more vulnerable? What you not make.

SPEAKER_05 2:14

Okay, good. I feel more transparent. Because I don't get me wrong, I know how to communicate.

SPEAKER_11 2:21

Well, yeah, this is how we already know that. That's not what this is about. This is talking about your feelings.

SPEAKER_05 2:25

When I'm trying to communicate my feelings, that's when things get tricky. Because it comes from a very raw There you go.

SPEAKER_11 2:32

So I try to communicate them and just feel the feelings and let the words come.

SPEAKER_12 2:36

How do you feel the feelings?

SPEAKER_11 2:38

Well, so when you think about something, you you can you can gather the words to say. You take time and you can process it. But when you're feeling the emotions and you're letting them out and it's from a raw place, it's kind of hard to uh put words to it when you think about it. So that's what I mean by let it go. Like uh No, I know the words. Well then that's exactly how I know the words.

SPEAKER_05 3:00

That's what I'm saying. It's very impactful words. My feelings hurt feelings.

SPEAKER_11 3:04

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. See, that's where you're wrong. That's where you're wrong. You don't know until you do it, right? So so that's what I'm saying though. Like literally, the the the the you don't when you're going from this place of feelings, right? Where it's just thinking about what you're gonna say, you're just feeling it, it it's rapid fire, right? You the words is coming. And you don't want to say them because you think it's gonna hurt the other party. That's okay. Because these are your feelings, and your feelings are valid. Okay. It's seriously, because this is how you're feeling. So you have to release that. Without and they'll know that it's from a wrong place. And if they hurt by it, then that means that you said something that mattered and it a change or something needs to occur on that.

SPEAKER_05 3:44

Perhaps it's the fact that I waited until that till that moment comes to communicate it, and that's why it's so hurtful.

SPEAKER_11 3:50

Yeah. Now that's right. Why'd you wait so long to tell me?

SPEAKER_05 3:53

Why you like build up? You could assess something like that. That's something that they can have a conversation. That's a good counter-argument.

SPEAKER_11 3:57

But but but let me tell you why that counter-argument, we're not being a this is not a generalized conversation. Generally, you can have that counter-argument. But this is a new territory for you. True. And we're talking about you, not everybody else. Okay. So, being that this is new territory for you, I feel like you deserve grace. You feel me? With them saying, okay, I'm glad you got that off your chest. Clearly you've been feeling this for a minute. Um, y'all grow from that and and they say, but next time let me know in the moment. Because now you feel safe to do that. Because you you gon' go off, bro. Like if you're going from a place of feeling until you learn to control it, you're gonna have your your your word around you go, you know what I'm saying?

unknown 4:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 4:39

Skating. But hey, you working on it though, so I'm here for it.

SPEAKER_05 4:42

Yeah, you know, that's a new thing for me. New territory. Not used to it.

SPEAKER_11 4:45

Now physically.

SPEAKER_05 4:48

I feel great. I feel a lot better. Um, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 4:54

Oh, yeah, yeah. New bard aside coming, boy. Yeah. That's your place. They ain't ready for it. That's your place.

SPEAKER_11 4:58

New bard aside? New bard aside. New bard is all.

SPEAKER_05 5:06

Oh man. That's gonna be that's gonna be scary hours upon us. But yeah, no, I'm feeling good on that, man, because that's again, it's uh it's a safe space. It's something I can like, you know, release. It's doing like a lot of body connectivity. You know what I mean? It's not so much doing the physical performance and ego lifting part of the thing, just really being more connected with my body because it's a new body form. Yeah. Like this is me at 36. So it's like it's it's different than me at 26.

SPEAKER_11 5:29

The dad body is real.

SPEAKER_05 5:30

Yeah, it's real. So like I'm connecting on that part to you know, to further advance myself to what's good for me. So I'm like, you know, researching more into that. Um doing a lot of meditating, a lot of yoga.

SPEAKER_11 5:44

I can't meditate. I go to sleep. What? I go to sleep. Uh when I try to meditate, knocked out. I'm trying to tell you, I've tried for years. Maybe maybe sleep is your meditation. That's what I think, because honey, I be going through it in my dreams. Sometimes I jump on me the real life. I got, look, I got this scratch on me, bro. I don't got anything else for this type of scratch. Uh-uh. Okay, and we don't have no cats. The dog ain't do it. I'm telling you, I be battling spiritually, huh? That is meditation, child. I be saving the world for real.

unknown 6:19

Okay.

SPEAKER_11 6:21

On the spiritual realm. I'm killing.

SPEAKER_03 6:24

I'm sticking to the avatar?

SPEAKER_05 6:26

Nah, man. Go to the avatar station.

SPEAKER_11 6:29

Man, listen.

SPEAKER_05 6:30

Oh, man. So spiritually, you doing all right?

SPEAKER_11 6:33

You know, I'm growing. I'm getting to this adulting thing. Um, I'm a toys rush kid for life, you know what I mean? And um, I do have aspects of my life where it I've I'm I'm slightly spoiled in certain ways. And so, you know, and I've I've I've lived the lifestyle for a while and got a company and like, you know, it's just comfortable in it. So now though, it's the next level. You know, we're getting older, I'm thinking future and just adulting again, getting back into it. And with the way this world set up, though, it's so crazy, so different versus like whether we were taught or told at a younger age. And even even like, like I said, when I came out here.

SPEAKER_03 7:14

That's why you should have lied to your kids. But go ahead. Yeah, don't lie to your kids. Don't lie to your kids, man.

SPEAKER_11 7:18

Please do. Even though the vice versa of, like, like I've been out here for a minute, but when I came out here, I came out here strictly to do music and live life the way I want to live, like my dream, the vision I seen. So I and I I consider that.

SPEAKER_05 7:30

In certain aspects you have.

SPEAKER_11 7:31

I have. I was just about to say, I was literally about to say, successfully, I have done that. You know what I mean? It has worked, and it's just now with everything, when when a change has to come, it has to come. You know what I mean? So now it's getting back into certain aspects, like getting back into the workforce, you know what I'm saying? Like, I've been getting money my way, but getting back into the workforce, it's it's so crazy now. It's a, it's a it's different than when I first started.

SPEAKER_05 7:55

It's a different transition, but like, you know, to because I've been in that same field as well, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, you gotta be practical, gotta pay the bills, gotta, you know, secure yourself in this crazy system that we're all in right now. And but like at the same time, we both have grand ambition and vision and want to achieve things, you know, on a larger scale. You know what I'm saying? Like, don't get me wrong, the things that we have done is great. But we wanted to do those at a much larger stage, higher level, and just get to get to the the furthest that we can do.

SPEAKER_11 8:25

And that's where getting a job for me comes in. It's a means to an end for the vision, for the dream, right? And so it's like I need more than one income. But it's just a different world now, too, you know.

SPEAKER_05 8:37

Absolutely. It's a lot tougher.

SPEAKER_11 8:39

It is well, it's weird though, because these people, these places, I don't even know how to explain it. These places need people to work, but then you like that that overqualified thing is a real thing. It's like, who cares about being overqualified? At this point in life, I ain't trying to hold you. I'm not overqualified if I'm up in here for this underqualified job, if that's the case. You know what I'm saying? It it qualifies for me. How about that? It humbles you.

SPEAKER_05 9:05

It's very, it's a it's a humbling experience. I don't even care though. You know, it's just like what's it? Because what those degrees got you.

SPEAKER_11 9:10

And that's why I feel for the ones who got the degrees doing it. Yeah, bro. I started called, but then I stopped, you know what I mean? Like, but even that, like, it's it's like now you gotta do all aspects of life. Like, so that you can't.

SPEAKER_05 9:23

You gotta do a lot of side hustles and everything.

SPEAKER_11 9:24

You gotta have your side hustles. Honestly, it's smart to get a trade and certifications right now. So for places that AI can't take over, um, it it it you should get back into the job market just to see what it's looking like, and customer service needs a revamp, you know what I mean? Like, honestly, food changes.

SPEAKER_05 9:40

None of you being in such a digital age, a lot of digital opportunities are coming up too. So, you know. But it it leaves a nasty taste in my mouth because it just detaches from reality. Like, there's a reason why it's digital, and digital can be influenced, manipulated, and all that stuff.

SPEAKER_11 9:56

I I like to see more black text and digital if anyone's true story. But outside of that digital part of it, nah, we gotta get back to boots on the ground, get back to the the the things that can't be taken over digitally, I'm telling you. So, like, even getting back into that's hard for people because you can literally make money off your phone. You feel me?

SPEAKER_05 10:15

True, but it also like it should encourage people to like know the basic things because this can't be sustainable for too long. You see what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_11 10:22

Yeah, that's real.

SPEAKER_05 10:23

It's going to collapse. Everything goes up, must come down. So when it collapses, we gotta start all over again. You should know the basics so we can rebuild and be better.

SPEAKER_11 10:35

And be better. Or at least know people who know people who know how to do things. Okay, I'm big on knowing people. I can't fish, but I promise you, I know these boys that go fishing every day.

SPEAKER_05 10:44

I can get you the boat.

SPEAKER_11 10:45

All right. I hear I'll get on the boat with them. I know that's a crazy sentence. For Afro April.

unknown 10:54

Afro April.

SPEAKER_05 10:57

I've been calling an African-American April. I love that.

SPEAKER_11 11:00

I love that. See, we here. We here.

SPEAKER_03 11:03

Afro April.

SPEAKER_11 11:04

But yeah, man. So uh honestly, other than that, though, I'm good. Um I'm here for it. I'm excited. I've never ran for no challenge. It's just, you know, it's just navigating it. I'm a little childish. So sometimes I be like, but do I gotta really?

SPEAKER_05 11:17

Yeah, no, that's where I've been at too, because like these past few years kind of forced me to like illuminate triple on my manhood shit. Manhood shit. So it's just like, dang, that little boy means dying. And I feel bad for that.

SPEAKER_11 11:29

And see, that's the thing. I don't feel like your little boy should die. I seen a um a reel the other day that this girl put up, right? And she her and her mom had gone to Disney World. And it was like her mom's first time there, and she was just like watching her mom be a kid, right? And it c it hit her, she was like, you know, as long as uh her whole life she's known her mom, she's never even thought about the fact that her mom has an inner child because she's never seen it until that moment. And so, you know, and it made her sad but happy because she was able to provide it. So I don't know, don't let that inner child leave. I mean, you gotta grow up uncessed.

SPEAKER_05 12:03

Yeah, that's what I'm saying, that's the balance of it all.

SPEAKER_11 12:05

And that's what I guess that's what I'm I'm I cannot lose. I just I can't lose my inner child, bro. I refuse to lose it. Like I don't care. I don't want to.

SPEAKER_05 12:13

Like to me, I don't want to.

SPEAKER_11 12:15

I want to find a way to be able to adult and still have fun and live my best life and and work it that way, you know.

SPEAKER_05 12:21

So that that's literally what And I feel like that's what we've been trying to do, but like, you know, make those means on our terms so that we're successful and exactly like because we're both successful creatives. Yeah. And we can create successfully. We would like to get compensated for our creation.

SPEAKER_11 12:39

And in order to get to that level, we got to play this game, like more income is needed, you know what I'm saying? So yeah, go get that non-top with consistent money. So now that's just build money so your other money you're already getting can go to getting the equipment we need, you know what I'm saying? And making sure we can be in these places where we can do pop-up shops. Like, the sky's the limit on what we can do, you know what I'm saying? So, but hey, you know, and then with gas prices going up, and let me tell you something. Gas, gas ain't gassing. It's watered down. It's gotta be because it's going way too fast. I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 13:13

No, no, it's a scam. Something's going on. You know the scam. You know what they do.

SPEAKER_11 13:16

But yeah, but all right now, it's a scam.

SPEAKER_05 13:18

They say watered down.

SPEAKER_11 13:20

I mean, definitely, that's why it's gone.

SPEAKER_05 13:24

Exactly. This is how they do it. Manly. And I I get that necessities, gas. It does go up. Food, heating, like the electric bill. Have you got have you seen the electric bill lately? And let me tell you, the blessing. You don't even need to be there for too much too long, have anything on. The bill's still gonna be at least 150.

SPEAKER_11 13:44

And see, this is what I mean by I'm a little spoiled, right? I'm not spoiled by means of money and and stuff like that, like life, like, and blessings. Like, because I ain't gonna hold you. And I know a lot of my f they're gonna be like, oh, but where we live at when we moved in, it was a moving special. So we don't pay for the electricity. It's yeah. I know. Blessings. Blessings.

SPEAKER_05 14:06

How nice it must be.

SPEAKER_11 14:08

Man, I but I do know that it's up. It's up, so you know why.

SPEAKER_05 14:15

Anyway, let's get to it. Let's get into it.

SPEAKER_09 16:08

Put a on the paddle with a paddle in the ladder one. You a plop, I'm a dumb pill with the fanny dump, and I'm still getting done. I'm on the tummy top. In the double bar with a double pump, I'm gonna dump, get a double pump, give me double y up, but I'm putting this down, side gun up. Everything I do need to goin' up. They say I'm heavy handed when I'm pulling up. I'm on D level, I'm a D nigga, I'm a D nigga. Put the money in the way, for what they gotta say, I throw it up is fallin' down, it's definitely in the way. More three niggas, couple big flicks, be on the phone, I'm a hook up. It's a deal take. Put the money in the way, for what they gotta say. I throw it up, it's fallin' down, it's definitely in the way.

SPEAKER_07 17:06

I grew up on the crime side, the New York Times side. Stayin' alive was no job, had second hands, moms bounced on old man. So then we moved to Shallon Land, a young youth, you're rockin' the goat tooth, low goose, only way I begin the G York was drug loot. Unless you started like this, son, rollin' with this one and that one, pulling out gaps for fun. But it was just the dream for the teen who was a fiend. Started smoking wools at 16 and running up in gates and doing hits for high stakes, making my way off firescapes. No question I would speed for cracks and weed. The combination made my eyes bleed. No question I would flow off and try to get the dough off. Sticking upright boys on bull courts. My life got no better. Same damn low sweater. Times is rough and tough like leather. Figured out I went the wrong route. So I got with a sick, tight click and went all out. Catching keys.

unknown 18:01

Let's go.

SPEAKER_11 18:02

Alright, bars, baby. Let's go, man.

SPEAKER_05 18:04

Gotta start the show. Gotta start the show off right. Bars. Welcome to yet another episode of the Mac Podcast. I'm your host, Estar the Artists, alongside the big star of the show, man. Miss, I'm never just a feature in the building.

SPEAKER_11 18:23

Yeah, he knows I'm pity. Get over it. Anyway, you know the integral part of the show, man. We like brother and sister. Y'all gonna have to understand that. So we lied about it, okay? So it is what it is. Thank you, I love you. Chemistry in the building. You already know. You already know this, man. It's the best show in the fucking case.

SPEAKER_05 18:45

Man, shout out to all the new listeners out there, man. And a whole bunch of cities hit me up, man. Mm-hmm. Hudson, New York, okay. Toronto, Canada.

SPEAKER_11 18:53

Make sense to me.

SPEAKER_05 18:54

Seattle out there, man. Shout out to all the UK cities, man, over there in the overseas.

SPEAKER_11 19:01

Hey, you know, I'm Mr. Tom Mate.

SPEAKER_05 19:03

Shout out to Australia in the building as well, man.

SPEAKER_11 19:06

Governor. I twisted that up. Y'all know where it's supposed to go. You know where you're from. What's happening?

SPEAKER_05 19:13

That's crazy work. Oh, man.

SPEAKER_11 19:16

Hey, hey, guys. It is what it is.

SPEAKER_03 19:23

I know, bro.

SPEAKER_11 19:24

I meant to do the other way around. Okay. It's good day, mate. Good night. It's that GJ thing to miss me. Oh, good day.

SPEAKER_05 19:34

Oh, man. Um, letting you guys know that the thoughts, views, and expression that's heard on this podcast are for entertainment uh purposes only. Even though sometimes we do get real, as you heard at the top of the show. Um, but after this part, it's entertainment time.

SPEAKER_11 19:49

It's entertainment time. Um I do think since you started, you know, with that Jay-Z, we might as well get into that. Yeah, we're gonna get to it.

SPEAKER_05 19:56

Um, shout out to Root Music Entertainment, and of course, man, big shout out to KWHALPR cata 94.7 FM. We are live on the radio right now, but we also host a podcast on the radio show.

SPEAKER_11 20:09

Yeah, man, I know that's so lit. I think we're the only ones that do that. I mean little key, bro. Like no one else is doing that. Which is why, you know. That's why we deleted.

SPEAKER_05 20:18

Most ill is. Well, we do. Um that's your favorite midnight hour, call. Shout out to Ruby Lisa. Yeah, it is. It is.

SPEAKER_11 20:26

You crossed all the eyes, you dotted all the eyes, crossed all the time.

SPEAKER_05 20:29

All right, let's get to it, man. This is Jay-Z uh interview at GQ.

SPEAKER_11 20:34

I'm gonna let you take the lead and I'm gonna jump in.

SPEAKER_05 20:37

So, I know this is a little bit of a late of subject, but just like the fact that he kind of touched, there's a couple things that I vehemently disagreed on that interview. Um, I believe, uh, what's uh the younger boy. Uh-huh. But he's not a young boy, he's been in the game for a while.

SPEAKER_11 20:54

Well, let me tell you, but don't crack. He's black don't crack. Uh GM interviewer. Because we do want to give him a shout out. Because he definitely, he's breaking barriers. He smoked that. Uh, what's his name? What's his name? Hold on. Interview by Frazier. Fraser. Fraser. Frazier, Fraser. Frazier. Shout out to Fraser.

SPEAKER_05 21:16

Shout out to Frazier for a good, good interview. But like, okay.

SPEAKER_11 21:20

Frazier, what is he? I think it matters.

SPEAKER_05 21:22

Okay. So, his take on the Kendrick and Drake. I want to start off with. I knew he was gonna go straight to the nitty-gritty. I feel like that was the most hypocritical thing that came out of that man's mouth.

SPEAKER_11 21:35

Uh I was so vibrant until he got to that in 77.

SPEAKER_05 21:41

Like, that didn't make any sense to me as being one of a a part. Like, if my man said he went below the belt. And it's like throwing condoms in the baby seat is not below the belt. Bro, you and Nas, you y'all lost the biggest. You and Nas went crazy.

SPEAKER_11 21:55

And it's part of the culture.

SPEAKER_05 21:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 21:57

And nobody lost their life.

SPEAKER_05 22:00

Nobody lost their life on the Drake and Kendrick thing. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_11 22:03

So for him to be like he, yeah, that come on.

SPEAKER_05 22:05

That was hypocritical. I did not like his song.

SPEAKER_11 22:07

What you say, uh, he needed to then do a song with Drake. Do an album with Nas. Do an album with Nas. That's what I'm saying. Do an album with Nas.

SPEAKER_05 22:15

If it's not that deep.

SPEAKER_11 22:16

If that needs to change, this man said that battle rap needs to go away. What? You literally freed meat and meal out of y'all helped him get out of jail. And he started off as a battle rapper.

SPEAKER_12 22:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 22:30

The contradictions is crazy. And that's part of the culture.

SPEAKER_05 22:38

And us uh as a community. You feel what I'm saying? Also, with the. Like you said, scrapping with each other, chewing each other up. Let me go bar for bar and let me like just go over here and embarrass you.

SPEAKER_11 22:47

Facts.

SPEAKER_05 22:47

Nah, nah, you ain't gonna embarrass me. I'm gonna embarrass you. And something breed off that off that contentment.

SPEAKER_11 22:53

And whatever happens happens on that musically. Like. Musically. It's not Kendra. We're gonna leave it to the bars. As it should be. Yeah. And he should have gave Kendra props for what happened with it. He should have gave Drake props for trying to stand there. But we seen what happened. Like, man, hip hop culture is about exposing whatever, all parts of it. Like, I don't know. I I ain't I wasn't feeling it.

SPEAKER_05 23:15

But there's less artwork going around, there's less people being involved in the dancing aspect. But like they made the break dancing form of the Olympics, but that was a sham. Like uh crazy work.

SPEAKER_03 23:26

Like that was a farce. Yeah, dog.

SPEAKER_05 23:28

But like, you know, we do need to see more other elements of hip-hop being presented today, especially now, because let's not forget where hip-hop breeds from. It's to send a message out to out to us as a people, informing us what's going on and then like you know, inspiring progression, inspiring revolution. Right. The revolution will not be televised.

SPEAKER_11 23:47

It will not be. But it can be heard. But you're gonna hear it. Exactly. But you're gonna hear it. You feel what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_05 23:52

I agree. So it's just like we like hip hop and rap has been so industrialized and capitalized that that message got lost.

SPEAKER_11 24:01

Like even with him saying that showed you how lost. Lost it is. Because he's a billionaire. Especially coming out of somebody's mouth who literally it summer jam. People still talk about that. Like it uh the the whole beef between you and Nas boosts the career, like y'all's career. And and it wasn't nobody, nobody was safe. Nothing was safe. So like for him to say that it's crazy. But that's also him now as a rich man. You know what I mean? Like, that's him as a rich man. I do feel like he did drop some jewels, you know. Um like what? Like he was, he like Like what? Oh no, I wrote, I wrote down one thing he said that I like.

SPEAKER_05 24:38

Oh, wait, wait, wait, it's not happening to you, it's happening for you.

SPEAKER_11 24:41

I like that. A bar that a lot of people have to do. I like that. I mean, I know that. But I also like when I say he's dropping gins, it's not so much about this man was explaining how look, some people want to be in a room with money, okay? As as an African-American person of color, whatever. He's telling you how to get into these rooms without whatever. He's he's literally laying it out. Look at Jay-Z. You think he ever thought he would really be in these rooms? But maybe he did, maybe he didn't. But I know how he started, and he definitely was a he was a hustler, you know what I mean? So, I don't know. I feel like the blueprint and all that, it was his way of telling people how to get into these rooms. Nothing more, nothing less. And you should collect art if you have enough money to do that, because it does double in price and making good decisions. I don't know. I I I didn't hate the interview, but I also didn't love it. But I feel like it's two pieces too. Like, we know that he's not the same Jay-Z.

SPEAKER_05 25:35

Yeah, I didn't, I didn't know. But I'm right there with you. Um my whole take is like his his um his take on capitalism and um and his whole stance on the state. What was his stance on it? That you know, um talk about dismantling the status quo. Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay. How can you change the status quo, but yet you're perpetuating into the status quo, and you're trying to tell us, hey, we gotta change the status quo.

SPEAKER_11 26:03

Right. That's it, yeah. Um You feel what I'm saying? Well, that's like uh I don't know what's the best way to put this. It's like he he like, you know, I know what needs to happen, it needs to be changed. But I'm not gonna do that. I'm already here, it's too late for me, but maybe y'all can do it, and uh Good luck. I'm gonna try to get y'all bonded out later if I can't, pardon. But it just depends if I even put if you pop up on my algorithm. Like, you know, but I did I I did see um something that was interesting. I think you you so uh hold on, where is that? Go to it. About this interview. So uh this girl says what she feels like is happening, excuse me, is GQ and all like what Jay-Z doing now is to run an interference from like from his cultist fan behavior.

SPEAKER_05 26:57

She, you know, uh There's a lot of whole vengeance out there for sure.

SPEAKER_11 27:00

Um, that uh she she feels like he he might be on Diddy level with secrets, this person who said that, right?

unknown 27:07

Oh my lord.

SPEAKER_11 27:08

And you know, that's what I'm saying. So like is it so I don't know about none of that. I don't know about none of that. But what what do we expect from Jay-Z to be in this type of besides the music part? That music part, I whatever. He tried it. But outside of that, what else is he supposed to talk about?

SPEAKER_05 27:27

True story. But it's just like, you know, again, like what can he talk about? He can't relate to us. He cannot relate to us at all. And that's why he hasn't really like made any music because we can get into an old whole stratosphere of business and thinking.

SPEAKER_11 27:39

Yeah, he don't be outside, bro. He don't like Beyonce's more relatable to us than him. She actually be at these places. She literally brought my man uh uh 803 Fresh. His song made it global because she did it. He's from South Carolina, you know what I mean? Boots on the ground. So she's more in tune with the people than Jay-Z is. That man got up out them streets, got with Beyonce, started mingling in these circles, and he never really looked back. But he's trying to represent the culture his way. He got basquill hair. Um, did you see that B and he looks wearing? Bro, that B was crazy. Because first of all, it wasn't even on the right way. I don't care. BD was it both. Bro, it was everywhere. It was everywhere. My man's a the review cap changing his clothes. Man, look. And that's what they say when you got money though, that's how they look. Like they don't got money. Yeah. Nah, bro, you that's smart though. I can't I can't. Nah, bro, he should have done it for the culture, bro.

SPEAKER_05 28:42

He at least no no no nope nope. If I have a billion dollars, I'm being the most low-key person.

SPEAKER_11 28:47

I'm still gonna put that stuff on. I ain't gonna hold you, bro. I I like to put that shit on now. I like to put it on now. I'm definitely not gonna stop. You ain't gonna behave like I'm still gonna get dressed. I'm gonna get dressed on, okay? You can get dressed, but you know. I mean, I ain't gonna be outlandish. Like, I'm not, you will never catch me in them big ugly, bulky designer shoes. Looking like bolts on my feet.

unknown 29:10

Mm-mm.

SPEAKER_11 29:11

Can't even get comfortable in them. Can't even break them in because they already broken up.

unknown 29:15

Yeah, no.

SPEAKER_05 29:16

I'm gonna be low-key with the flex. Um, but it's just like that interview and his take on capitalism just kind of like invoked me a lot of questions I would like to ask, but we can do we can.

SPEAKER_11 29:27

We're gonna get into it right now. We can roll into it now. I mean, I think it's a good leeway.

SPEAKER_05 29:30

So I'm just like, so I think like, you know, is capitalism is it freedom or is it like a controlled opportunity? Because you think you got gatekeepers and you got people that you have to like, you know, you network. It's like it's not what you know, it's all about who you know and and and appealing to them and how that person meets you connected with that person, and it's like a all it's like a a whole network. Right. So, but that network is very controlled. There's gatekeepers. Like, no, I'm not gonna introduce you to this person that can get you here, and that person can get you there, and we call a network you do something for us in return. It's like that's controlled opportunity. Like, how how can you operate freely in capitalism? Well, you know. You you feel what I'm saying? Like it like you can't operating freely in capitalism, I feel like that's an oxymoron. Well, it it well because you are controlled by capitalism.

SPEAKER_11 30:25

But there's more than one version of capitalism, you know what I mean? Like what? They have like different parts, and that's what I knew you were gonna say, because I didn't remember I could, but I did keep this part. So in certain places, besides America, practices. So like they say, so it's these are the types of free market capitalism, which is minimal government intervention, market forces run the economy. Corporate capitalism, which is dominated by large uh large corporations and uh hierarchical management, social market economy, which is common in the EU, combines capitalism with strong social services and regulations.

SPEAKER_05 31:08

I feel like that one is uh needed these days.

SPEAKER_11 31:10

Yeah, yeah, we don't have that in America. Yeah. State capitalism, which is kind of what we have, I believe, um, is the state acts as a dominant economic player, often to promote national interests.

SPEAKER_05 31:21

I don't think that's uh we're we're in that, but it does sound like that.

SPEAKER_11 31:24

It sounds kind of, you know. Um and then the one that nobody really has, is helpful to people fighting back, uh like uh what Ukraine. And anarcho capitalism proposes eliminating government, leaving all services to private competitive markets.

SPEAKER_05 31:38

Oh, that one's dangerous. I think that's the one that uh the the this uh administration is trying to get us to.

SPEAKER_11 31:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 31:43

That's why honestly And that one's dangerous. That's why he's like coming here just like, oh, let's drain this well, but let's like defund everything, let's cut everything so it'll make the the big government so inefficient. Exactly. That there's no choice but to fall onto private corporations and stuff like that. But we so capitalism And it'll make them more money because they gotta serve a a some dumb ass guy that wants blood of the innocent.

SPEAKER_11 32:06

Yeah, capitalism is a crazy, crazy thing.

SPEAKER_05 32:09

No, that's I mean that's a dumbest thing. I don't know.

SPEAKER_11 32:13

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_05 32:14

No, I was screwed up on that little good little theory.

SPEAKER_11 32:16

You don't even know how they got there. I bear it up on, like, first of all like that ball or ball dude, whatever, man. But they really do believe in that stuff. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_05 32:26

And it's dumb because how do you know that blood is innocent, right?

SPEAKER_11 32:29

You know that's a whole nother like that's how you know they're crazy. Crazy. They sick people. I mean, they are sick people. Like, I ain't hold I. That doesn't even make any sense to me. I ain't gonna hold you from the time they came over here. And this is like actual factuals. It's real, it's history. You can't change it. You won't have to acknowledge it.

SPEAKER_05 32:47

This is not propaganda.

SPEAKER_11 32:48

These are same people that when they came over here didn't even know how to bathe, right? Like they were bathing in in the same rivers over there, but in the same rivers that they were using the b bathroom in. You know what I mean? Like this is real. The Native Americans and and and black folk, you know, came in and was like, you know, you can't do that. You know what I'm saying? Um, whatever. So it's just like it's always been in the DNA to be um just wrong.

SPEAKER_12 33:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 33:14

Just wrong. So capitalism is a funny thing. Like, it it because you do want to have ownership of at least property land. That's a form of capitalism, you know what I mean? Um, private property. That is something that we do want to have, but it's not accessible to everyone.

SPEAKER_05 33:35

Matthew therein lies for Rob, the accessibility of it all.

SPEAKER_11 33:38

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_05 33:39

Yeah. Because, like, you know, in in theory, it sounds beautiful.

SPEAKER_11 33:42

It does. Right? It does. If everyone had if everyone had a it could really get to.

SPEAKER_05 33:47

So now now we go to the whole controlled opportunity. Okay. Okay. That's why I think this is like not really the the free market, freely expressed thing that they're advertising or propaganding it to be. Right. I feel like it's more of a controlled opportunity. Who do you know?

SPEAKER_11 34:02

Yeah, so that's where that corporate capitalism part comes in. Because you gotta know somebody. Who do you know? See?

SPEAKER_05 34:10

Who is going to vouch for you? Who's gonna let you know put you in the room? Who's putting their name and reputation for you?

SPEAKER_11 34:17

So that you can even get into the room.

SPEAKER_05 34:20

Yeah. And that's very prevalent in the music industry too, because it's like now I'm feeling like, you know, uh, we are making music to kind of like appeal to the algorithm and stuff like that, you know what I'm saying? Like, versus making music for the passion of people. Right, like So what's your take on that?

SPEAKER_11 34:36

Is that like No, I agree. Um, because that's a it's it's a double-edged sword though, like, you know, music. Well, you should we should be able to go into the studio, bro, and just make the music and just drop it. You know what I mean? Like, we ain't gotta worry about no dance. We ain't gotta, you know what I mean? Like the music speed points. You know, like the music. Like you do, you do just enough though to get the word out, but then once the word out, like it should take off. But unfortunately, the the reality is you have to do a TikTok. Um, you gotta have a dance. It's gotta be You gotta have you gotta be on the street. You can't even drop the whole thing, right? If you're smart, you gotta do like 20, 30 seconds of it, snippy, you know what I'm saying? You gotta make people want that junk. Like, you gotta do so much. Extra. Extra. And it just robs you. It just takes away.

SPEAKER_05 35:29

Rob us away from the passion, the connection, the passion, the creativity.

SPEAKER_11 35:32

It's like overwhelming thinking like, dang, like, I'm gonna be like, I think this ain't gonna hit in the club. No one's gonna bump this. Until I'm dead and gone, they're gonna realize how dope it is. Or years later, when I'm out the game, they like, man, this goes crazy. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? When it's like, it's the same thing.

SPEAKER_03 35:48

It was 67 years old. And so that's crazy what.

SPEAKER_11 35:52

I mean, yeah, I'm I mean, I'm for life running, you know what I'm saying? Like, I just love doing music. So it is what it is. So anyway, but it but it it is it's a thing now though that capitalism has hit music. But I don't, you know, because I am I'm always optimistic, I don't think we're quite doomed yet. Because people are tired of like not understanding any of the words coming out of these rappers' mouth.

SPEAKER_05 36:18

Yeah. Well that goes to the industrialized uh over, you know what I mean? Because you know, I hate to say, but when a certain group of people be in the boardrooms making decisions of a culture that they don't understand but want to exploit to make profit you're going to produce some garbage product. And what these people in these business offices don't get, if you assign more artists who are more into the power and the passion of things, is going to correct itself no matter what. They also forget. And not only, not only you are being the forefront and be on the right side of history and at least introducing or being innovative and progressive and being doing like putting out real messages out to the people in the airwaves and what they and they can it can spark things to change for the better. That can in return be a benefit to whatever record label that's at the forefront of that. And that record label needs to sign artists who can tap into that kind of passion, tap into that kind of innovation, tap into that kind of spirit to make that kind of music to resonate to the people and to get this ball rolling. But they want to perpetuate the status quo and keep this ignishit out and about all the time. I gotta know whose baby mama's saying this, that, and the other about this other rapper's baby mama and all this shenanigans and dumb shit.

SPEAKER_11 37:57

They also forget, um sorry. That are uh while while these people might be like, you know, can drop a little something in the studio that makes people go, whatever, for 30 seconds, they they eventually have to perform it. And they gotta be that same person. And and and now it's longer than 30, 45 seconds, you know, it's like the whole song, and you gotta put together. So it's like they forget, and that's why I think like as musicians, we gotta remember I don't care about no AI artists, none of that. It's frustrating when they get on the billboards and all that, but like And that's a short-lived dream. It is, but but can they perform? Can they show up in person?

SPEAKER_05 38:37

Can they connect? How are people gonna connect with something that they know is AI?

SPEAKER_11 38:40

You see what I'm saying? Can they connect?

SPEAKER_05 38:42

And how you gonna have to connectivity is one of the main reasons why music exists. Also, in the first place.

SPEAKER_11 38:48

Even even doing a makeup artist, like getting someone who's really from the suburbs, but they got this look to them, so now you want to make them hood. You know what I'm saying? Like, they have to be that person at all times. Can they really connect to that? You know what I'm saying? Can they really be that person? Like, music shouldn't be manufactured like that. It shouldn't be like they actors in this game. Yeah, manufactured. Yeah, you feel me? So I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 39:11

Like you you're you're you're killing an art form by doing that.

SPEAKER_11 39:14

It will correct itself though. I honestly have to believe that.

SPEAKER_05 39:18

Yeah. So I got a question for you, real quick.

SPEAKER_11 39:20

I'm listening.

SPEAKER_05 39:20

So if your biggest song, uh uh, right, is not your most honest song, but like your biggest song is like the song everybody knows you by, you blow up from that song, but it's not your most honest song. Well, yeah, I know what you mean. Is it a success to you still?

SPEAKER_11 39:37

I mean, yeah, it's about because it's about what you do with it. You gotta get seen how you get seen. So even if it's a catchy song, you know, um, that you did just as a gimmick, you know. Like I I got something like I feel like uh where you at? Where you at, little baby, where you at? Like it's a it's it's a it's a catchy song, so like, but that doesn't reflect how my music is gonna go, you know. But it caught the attention, so what you do with it is up to you. And I think that's the difference, like what you do with it. Now, did what did is that the song you want it to be, the one that put you on? Probably not.

SPEAKER_05 40:10

True.

SPEAKER_11 40:11

Most of the times of the songs that put people on, if you ever listen to any artist that has longevity, it is not the song they wanted it to be. That's how I feel about Bosco, but go ahead. See? Okay, that was the one that did it for y'all though, straight up. That one definitely, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, but it's so catchy, it's like, and you you kind of, you know, dumbed it down lyrically wise, and you made it so that everybody can catch on and feel like they were, you know. You know what I'm saying? Living a life that they don't live through your lyrics. That's just like, okay, we all out here. Yeah. So it whatever. It's like, whatever he does it, does it. I feel like as a musician, as a creator, even if it's not something that you wanted it to be, whatever gets the attention, it's up to you though to it bring them into who the the real parts of you.

SPEAKER_05 40:57

Basco be hard, though. I can't be mad at it, man.

SPEAKER_11 41:00

Yeah, I was gonna say though, that that joint go hard. Yeah. That joint go hard. Um give a nigga an inch. He's gonna take the whole damn mile. Especially this moment.

SPEAKER_05 41:17

Oh, man. Um, but yeah, that's uh I got a couple more. But what you got for us?

SPEAKER_11 41:22

Um, let me just give us a little break if you're gonna. Okay, hold on, give a little break break because we didn't get to tap in like I wanted to when it happened. First of all, because you know if you've been listening, some of our people who've been listening for a minute. Drewski! Oh boy, let's get to it. My time, our time's generational. I'm telling you, Richard Pryor. Oh. I mean, listen, look, everybody couldn't do what he did. Even at all. Dave Chappelle, don't Richard Pryor. First, okay, I'll give you Dave Chappelle, but you know why I didn't Chapter. Let me tell you why it's a Richard Pryor though over Dave Chappelle. Because Dave Chappelle is not gonna do whiteface. Richard Pryor? Back in the day?

SPEAKER_03 42:00

Dave Chappelle did whiteface. Oh, you know what? He definitely did. He was at uh you know what? You're right, he did on the screen.

SPEAKER_11 42:07

And he was at uh you're absolutely correct. And I retract that whole statement I took away from the Dave Chappelle show. As a matter of fact, we're gonna leave Richard. You know what though? I honestly now on the rap and run of that. See, I can say correct it live. Um, you are absolutely correct with that. He gave me Richard Prior Essence, but that's what he's supposed to do. Dave Chappelle. He's an in the next Dave Chappelle.

SPEAKER_05 42:33

He's Gen X or Gen Z's Dave Chapel.

SPEAKER_03 42:37

I'm loving it.

SPEAKER_11 42:38

Yeah. That's who he is. Gen Z Dave Chappelle. He definitely is. He definitely is. That's fire. See what I'm saying? I like that. I like that. We but we developed this together. I started here. We finally caught on with Dave Chappelle's art generation. Now that you caught on with me, though, man, listen, now we're on the same page. You can't say Drew's gonna be like, No, no, no, no. But that's where I started. That's how we was able to connect the middle dots. Now stop playing. So we're in this together, because I agree with you on it. I actually agree with you on that. Damn. But this last one. Okay. Come on. Let's talk about it. Come on. Let's talk about it. Come on.

SPEAKER_05 43:10

Shout out to that makeup team or that makeup artist.

SPEAKER_11 43:13

The girl, he gave her a raise, too. She deserves it. She deserves it. It's a girl. She deserves it. Um a white woman at that. It's only bright. It's only white. White. All right. Listen. I gotta say, whoa, boy, she tried to white out. But uh whatever you say. I I love this last one. I honestly I love all of them because they're funny. It's true saying on. Now, while we all knew, I d I don't it was it was it was definitely Mrs. Kirk. Um, do you think he went too far? No.

SPEAKER_05 43:55

I mean, if a hit dog will holler, you know what I'm saying? So just like um Everyone's making the same.

SPEAKER_11 44:01

Well, but you know what? They think it's Erica Kirk, but if you really look into it, it's really a lot of white conservative.

SPEAKER_05 44:10

There's no originality amongst them at all. Like they're one and all of them are the same. They've got different faces. That's really what it is.

SPEAKER_11 44:18

She gets the most recent one to apply it to.

SPEAKER_05 44:19

But if you go down the board, like those people that you can generalize that will be that you could detect them from early age, high school, what they're going to be, what their type is, and that's going to be them for the city.

SPEAKER_11 44:31

On that's in forever. Their offspring is going to be like that. And what will you see?

SPEAKER_05 44:35

That's how the system perpetuates. So I'm just saying, so just like because who raised these white men? I mean, so so I feel like it it did not go. There's no such thing as too far.

SPEAKER_11 44:47

No, it's not.

SPEAKER_05 44:48

We have a comedian who's a rapist and a pedophile.

SPEAKER_11 44:52

Okay, and it's a very good thing.

SPEAKER_05 44:53

And starting a war that had we have nothing to do with at all. You can miss me about too far when it comes to a skit.

SPEAKER_11 45:00

Because at this point, life is too far. Okay, America season 20 26. It's too far. It's too far.

SPEAKER_05 45:06

But no, we're gonna take it further.

SPEAKER_11 45:08

Oh no, we are because you know I gotta bring it up real quick, though. The cryplegia man. The man who ain't got no hands and no feet that killed somebody. That's season 26, too, and it's a real story.

SPEAKER_05 45:18

Oh yeah, tell that story real quick.

SPEAKER_11 45:19

Real quick, because this joint funny. I can't make this on. You can Google it. It happened. This man got no hand, no feet. He gone, he he's a professional cornhole player, which means he be throwing that little mean bag. But uh they got videos of him on TikTok they put up of him, like he his the way his nub set up, his thumb popped out just enough, I guess, where he can like, he gotta use both the nubs, but he can shoot guns, he can do bone arrow, whatever. And apparently he can drive, which is, you know, I'm not shocking. Wow. But uh he ends up bringing some people after a party or something from the bar or whatever home with him. And honestly, um, my guy who ended up being the victim of this, you know, my condolences to his family. But um, my nigga, you tried it. Um, with that being said, it was him in the front, it was two people in the back, and uh they did they decide to ride with the crotchroplegic man who ain't got no hands and no feet, but he got the nugs, and they rolled with him in the Tesla, and at some point him him and the pastor got into an argument and he shot him and killed him. Um the people in the back seat, he turns to him, he's I guess he pulls over and he looks at me, he's like, Can y'all help me get rid of the body? And that's where they drew the line. They hopped up out the car. Finally, they did something with their hands and feet. Okay, time is crazy. My man pulls off. Uh, the the other people who jumped out, they signaled down the police, they find him, they find the guy who was in the car with him, um, like a hundred miles away or something like that, in somebody's yard. So my man with no hands, no feet. Not only did he shoot him, but he hopped out, somehow pulled him out. I don't know what happened. Anyway, this is a real story, though. He found him and then in the police end up tracked him in the hospital getting treated for something else. Anyway, his they say all things point to him. See what I mean by words, man? Because, man, come on. And so we're not we not even concerned about the two police. So it was funny to say whoever won that. Nah, that's what they say the whole time. It's comedy, okay. And this is a fake, this is a real story. Man, it's wild. Okay, first of all. Questions, right?

SPEAKER_05 47:24

Why am I in a passenger seat when you don't have no legs and no arms? Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, Stub.

SPEAKER_11 47:30

That's crazy work.

SPEAKER_05 47:31

That passenger seat will quick. I got this on it.

SPEAKER_11 47:33

And I know that cartoon comes equipped with stuff like that, but with no hands and no feet. Because he do have a license. He got suspended back in the day. This is a real person with a real story. They got little things, bro. He got functional nubs. Like he's a professional corner player. There's videos of him looking like Mario players on that time.

SPEAKER_05 47:52

Catching bodies on the corner.

SPEAKER_11 47:54

Catching bodies, bro. And that's American season 26, so you know, I don't know what's next. We gotta protect our neck, like Wu Tang. We have got to do better in life. I'm scared. Nah, I'm really not. I just you just gotta laugh at this. We have to. I just didn't. Um, what else? What else? Okay, so we we can go into some music talk. Because you know I love my entertainment. So for those, some of you guys will know, some of you won't. But uh, the ones who do know, Pooh Shice C. I wanna talk about that. So Pooh Shay C is his artist, and he has quite a following. And um, he signed to Gucci Man in 1017, you know what I mean, records. He uh went to jail a couple years ago, he got out uh like two, three weeks, maybe a month ago. He got out on probation, um, dropped his song, and you know what? Everybody thought it was gonna flop. The song actually went in. You know what I mean? Um, but in the mix of this, come to find out he still signed under a contract to Gucci Man. Um, and he didn't want to be in the contract no more. Long story short, he's been wanting to get out of it. It's not it's not new news, but it's news again because um I guess he decided to take mad in his own hand, that's the best way to put it. He's with his homeboy and his dad. They go to the studio where Gucci Man is at. He decides to rob Gucci Man and force him to sign him out of his contract. Of course, Gucci Man. Apparently they say Gucci Man. It's like an audio.

SPEAKER_05 49:29

What a brilliant plan. Okay.

SPEAKER_11 49:31

Genius. Mind you, he covered his face up.

SPEAKER_05 49:34

They ain't gonna tell about me.

SPEAKER_11 49:38

This is a real story, too. This is so crazy. I hate season 26, man. Anywho. Man, I'm telling you, bruh. These men.

SPEAKER_03 49:48

These white conservatives, people.

SPEAKER_11 49:50

These niggas, these nigger ratchets get on my neck.

SPEAKER_05 49:53

These Negroes.

SPEAKER_11 49:54

These Negroes, these new Negroes is different. But anywho, this mug, so but the crazy part is that oh, he it was him, his homeboy, and his dad. They go there. Nothing. His daddy with him, broke. They go to rob him before his change and stuff. But in the mix of it, he says, and I need you to lift me up out of my contract. Sign the papers.

SPEAKER_05 50:13

But I got a mask on.

SPEAKER_11 50:14

But I got a mask on. You want it's not me, Pooh Chisey. I'm speaking for him. Get lip Poochy out.

SPEAKER_05 50:19

I'm a representative. He's robbing about representation.

SPEAKER_11 50:26

And the cool part is it's a legal way to do that.

SPEAKER_03 50:29

Bro, that's hilarious. That's a legal way to do that.

SPEAKER_11 50:33

Anywho, Gucci say, you know, even if I sign it, it won't make a difference. Blah blah blah, blah. Long story short, they go to run at the sex and his church jewelry. Um, Gucci Man got security who are off-duty police officers. So, because, you know, he he they carry guns. That's the only way you can have that. Um, they instantly arrest these boys once they get out the door. And well, they're in jail. And now everybody is saying Gucci Man is a snitch. Street coach is dumb for that. Pooh Shy C is. That's what they're trying to say. They are really trying to say that, and y'all are dumb. You're dumb. Like Pooh Shicey, what?

SPEAKER_05 51:11

From the from the get-go, from the jump. Like, if you're if you're anyway siding with Pooh Shysy.

SPEAKER_11 51:18

The only thing you can say is he lit up to his name. Yeah, man, you gotta get off the boat because you're gonna get us caught up for no reason. Like you, you want somebody that's passionate, but it's gotta be a better way. And your whole family line, honestly, don't even care because your dad rolled with you on this.

SPEAKER_05 51:33

Dog, that's the craziest part for me to do. Let either one of my sons say, hey, I'm about to go rob somebody. I am belt to ass sound. So I'm telling you, rob that thought straight from him, bro. That's the out of it.

SPEAKER_11 51:43

It's a sick up, all right. It's a switch up. Switch up on that ass. Okay, we're not playing. Get the switch. Bye. Go pick your own. I had to do it. I had to do it.

SPEAKER_03 51:52

Go pick your switch. And I'm I'm awesome.

SPEAKER_11 51:53

I think twice before stuff like that. So like I think that's crazy. You know what I mean? Um, you know, thoughts and prayers uh out to anyone who thinks that Gucci Man is a snitch. He didn't he didn't leave there, like you said, he didn't leave. Jump off the boat. It wasn't even like it was in a disclosed area.

SPEAKER_05 52:09

Jump off the boat. If you're siding with Pooh Shise in any faculty, jump off the boat.

SPEAKER_11 52:16

You should feel bad for that young man that his own father didn't redirect him to find a better way.

SPEAKER_05 52:21

That's the only thing to be sympathetic towards.

SPEAKER_11 52:24

Period. Like, your own dad sent you straight in, and I know you taking care of the family. You know what I'm saying? That is gonna show you how much they care about your well-being, though. But at least you a gangster. Gang gang, right?

SPEAKER_05 52:37

And I mean, and that kind of ties into like, you know, the the mindset of things. In their mindset, like, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_11 52:42

It's just like there's gotta be somebody to save these kids.

SPEAKER_05 52:48

Like a lack of discipline. It's a lack of thought, and it's a lack of man, it's messed up.

SPEAKER_11 53:01

He should, he's common sense. He but see, he ain't never had no things embedded in him. Clearly, if his daddy's right. And so I blame the father above all. And so I feel bad for him. He don't know anything else with that type of logic, you know what I'm saying? And I feel I feel sad for him, you know what I'm saying? I do. But also, I think a name matters, Pooh Shicey. You knew that nigga was shacy. Also, Gucci man, I ain't gonna hold you. What you keeping him in? What are you holding him into a contract for? Because you knew, you know what, though, let's take a flip mode. Um, you already knew the type of dude he was because you signed him off that. His name, Pooh Shycey. You must change his life. So whatever happened and transpired didn't work out. At some point, we know him because he was on 1017. I ain't gonna hold you. And he went out of that contract. Why wouldn't you let him out of it? He he not making you extra money, you already rich. Yo, your woman, Keisha KR, she she takes care of that. She literally was telling people how you crazy and how she controlled it. You handle her. Straight up. Why wouldn't you just let that young boy out of his contract? Why would you push into that lady? Why? What are you proving? What are you proving, sir? You don't need the money from him.

SPEAKER_03 54:14

And when he first came to you about it, you'd be like, all right, man, gone.

SPEAKER_11 54:16

And he did come to him multiple times about it, bro, before acting a fool. This is true things. Because it's been in the but he went to jail for five years, so of course he forgot about it. You know what I mean? He went to jail. But prior to going to jail, and I see. I haven't forgotten about it. Prior to going to jail, he wanted out because a lot of 1017 artists were dying, dawg. So like it's a real thing. So it's like, Gucci, man, what was you trying to prove? Roderick? Roderick Davis? What were you trying to prove? As an elder and as a man who went to jail. Hold up. Because I wasn't even thinking about that earlier.

SPEAKER_05 54:46

That's why context nuance is so important.

SPEAKER_11 54:48

But I wasn't even thinking about that earlier until talking about it now. Like, dog.

SPEAKER_05 54:51

Hold up, man.

SPEAKER_11 54:52

Because why wouldn't you just let him out? What are you holding on to him for? Seriously.

SPEAKER_05 54:55

That's crazy work right there.

SPEAKER_11 54:57

Gucci man already made.

SPEAKER_05 54:58

What life insurance policy are you trying to build up and cash out?

SPEAKER_11 55:02

Because three of his other artists already have passed.

SPEAKER_03 55:04

Yeah. Child, this name not leap, but we might have to revisit this, honey. Boy, talking to ball. Gucci man say, fuck it, we ball.

SPEAKER_11 55:14

Bro, you know the check from the um I know you might have just uh we might have just dug this. Hey, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 55:26

Hey, look what Pooh Shisey. Hey, hey, hey, Pooh Shise, hold up. I'm holding this. Hold up. I might have been a little bit too quick on the trigger.

SPEAKER_11 55:34

Hold up, man. I'm gonna say the playoffs. Hey, to the pops. Hey, I'm I now I'm like, hold up. Maybe that's why it is. Hey.

SPEAKER_05 55:45

On that node. Hold up. Let y'all digest on that.

SPEAKER_11 55:49

We're gonna leave that one there. We're gonna have to revisit that one. I'm right.

SPEAKER_10 56:05

Valentino summers and wave runners. Chains on my niggas like slave runners. Drug dealers anonymous. How many Madonna's can that monster fit? My brick talk is more than obvious. It's ominous. Garages, the phantom, ghouls, ghosts, and goblins. Blonde move off the collection. I'm Dennis Rodman. The money counters the only moment of silence. Cause the money balances all the drugs and violence. Had the trick under my mattress. The date I stop steal. Has an asterisk. After it, after all, I can make a call, I can baptize a brick. As I wash away my skins like a catalyst. The fucking master list, America's knife made in flip. Children of a lesser guard when your melanin's got a tint. And I can't even mention what I sent or what I spent. Cause my name and 18 wheelers is evidence. I put my foods in them boost collections. Like the bitch, A to Z over two collections. Take your pig, paid in full, like 86 G's on my body. The new Gucci has less monogram. God got him. Let's be without sin. Cast the first stone. So I built that old glass quad level first home. Shout out all of your misconceptions. Hold all of the missing weapons. You thought I would miss my blessing. The ultimate misdirection.

SPEAKER_00 57:25

Your husband was a drug dealer. For 14 years, this whole crack cocaine.

SPEAKER_08 57:36

Turkey O Cicini inside his mesh. Bitch, I've been backing since the 80s. Google me, baby, you crazy. 89 in London pulling pins up. Type it in, Google's your friend, bruh. 14 year drug dealer is still countin'. Who deserves the medal of freedom is my accountant. He been hula hoopin' through loopholes, working round shit. IRS should have had the townhouses surrounded. Thanks to the lawyers. Ah Mumbled the foyer, ah, tore the floor, yeah. That's for the toy fish. We've been dining no oysters. I go through the garages, like multiple choices. I told them full of royester. I'm getting ghosts, I'm hearing noises. I think it's the boys, but I've been making it Deutsch. We got star fronts, we got employee stubs. We've been opening studios in 40, 40s up. The paper trailers gorgeous. Cases we bury some before reasonable doubt drop. The jury hung. Bling bling. Every time I come around your city, bling bling. My tenure took me through Virginia. Axe Teddy rally by me. Axe the Fedor rallies by me. Tryna build a cell around me. Snatch my nigga Emery up. Try to get him to tell about me. He told 12, give me 12. He told him to go to hell about me. Drug dealers anonymous. Y'all think Uber's the future. I cause been autonomous. Mules move the drums, take them to different spots. We just call the shots by simply moving our thumbs. I'ma cause the miracles with this shit. Nothing real can be threatened. Nothing unreal exists. Fearin' lies the piece of car. Always knew I was a prophet, but I couldn't find a decent job. Life made me ambidexturous, countin' with my right, whipping white with my left wrist. Damn, Daniel. FBI keep bringing them all white vans through.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:02

Let me get you facts. You can get with this or you can get with that. Benjamin gon' pimp, or you gonna pimp one back. Now if you get with this, my man gon' tell you that.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:12

You rather flip bricks or rather flip houses. You wanna fuck hoes or nigga pimp dollars. My nigga, I'm Gucci. You can keep the pride. See when it's black money, we so close-minded. Look at our mindset, let's redesign it. Let me rewind it, evolve to different things. To need we is a problem. Trust we got in, so trust, I'm a prophet, kicking knowledge, I'm sincerely paying homage. Move godly, think gody. You can't confide me. They play for checks, I play chess, you can't find me. Sipisaki with Kiwasaki, I'm picking property. I plant seeds for money trees, I'm teaching botany. Remember back when they took rap, played Monopoly, speak facts, they took trap, made copies, they selling souls for hollow cause. How can we not see the real wealth is intellectual property, nigga?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:55

I learned the etiquette, piping, duckin' the delicate mistakes. Had to double up my dollar like Jefferson off the face. Problem is, do you play the win or do you play it safe? Depends. Do you question what it costs or what it makes? Ain't broke till you think we limit your rich, you and bail. Not to mention but checks and a pinch and it's out of style. Had an inch for eight digits. Bitches gave me the runaround. Not an inches on the digit compound, exquisite. That's how you flip it, huh? We talk metaphysics. When you move it solid, you don't move the money liquid. Implement a vision, bitch, speak it to existence, manifest. And the rest is making good decisions, nigga. Yes. We play custodians the best. Took assault, hit the vault, clean it like it was a mess. Money looks stolen. Once the rocks turn golden, you can keep it tax free. Fuck the eye direction. Pip the cheeks, flip money, pip it cheeks, flip the money. Pip the cheeks, flip money, pip and cheeks, flip money. People hustle on the side like extra Y's. Keep a hustle on the side for the extras. Vacant eyes, they can't describe my texture. Smooth nigga, my views impression. No jewels on the bezel. We don't embezzle investors. I shoe up, devils, get through up. Pippin' these Benjamins is nuanced, subtle. Watch how my mind work. Most inclined to spend all their time first. Grindin' on to five, don't honor your worth. We the new employers. Make the money, make the money for you. Chase the money, chase the money, I can assure you. That's rat racing. Let for lap, they get stuck in the loop. You find a loophole for that, then you up in the loot. It's tax tip, you find the right man in the suit. They beat the IRS and we get W's do. Ain't no coincidence. That can my Benjamin show him infinite ways. I'm no Christian, but my money saved. Welcome in books, my dogs on the same page. Rich dad, poor dad, what generation yo? Before I pimp Benjamin's, I had to pimp the government. Put my unemployment money in stocks and doubled it. Life's too short, they get paid every two weeks. Niggas lose their life in the second out here for the free. Pay attention, cause talk is cheap. They call it the American dream. Cause you gotta be asleep in order to believe in it. Sub being here, but on no size and de lo que pasa de ta de la cortinas. Don't think my henas, my nigga. When you feedin' them the truth, you gotta know the block. Think it's my nigga. We gotta think big on how to get fickers. Learn something unfamiliar. Stop our babies from turning nipples, strippers and drug dealers. Giving better than what we had. Generation of wealth is the task. We need change deeper than coins in your doubt. For the roots on my family tree. I'm breaking out. I used to keep money in my socks. Now it's mailbox. Money every Friday on the clock. Out here on the block, trading foreign global currencies.

unknown 1:03:26

After more assets and less liabilities.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:28

Cutting them off like old bitches, I toss please. Bitch, I'm not a rapper, I'm a global mobile black star. With a sofa flow, me at the Alcapo and Calip. Hold up, hold up, hold up. That last dude right there, man. Hold up.

SPEAKER_11 1:03:42

He did that. He did that.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:46

Yo. Bardis. Boy, cleaned up, man. That shit was crazy. She that got me sparked up with a whole bunch of questions, man. Yo, shout out to uh Coast Contra for that, man.

SPEAKER_11 1:03:56

Yeah, yeah. You know uh one of their mothers is uh T Ramos. I know I found that earlier, yo.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:06

Um okay, hold up. I got questions? Go ahead. I think I got questions, man. You know what I mean? Um so like Does money need to change does money change people or does it like reveal who they are?

SPEAKER_11 1:04:21

I think um That's a hard one because I I think money is supposed to change a little bit. Like it's gonna change who you are personally.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:34

Like if you It's gonna change the perception of you.

SPEAKER_11 1:04:37

It it it is, and it's gonna change how you move in life too. You know what I'm saying? You really can't do the same things once you get to a certain bracket. Um You can if you got that that type of, you know, visibility and people rot with you like that for real, for real in the community. But even then you gotta be aware of how you move with money. So I don't know if it reveals who you are or it's just what you're supposed to do. But I don't think you are supposed to turn into like the nastiest person on earth and just like live out all your life. Oh no, that's gonna be up. Yeah, that's just that's just awesome.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:10

That's a story old as time, man.

SPEAKER_11 1:05:12

And people, you probably was doing that before you had money, so true story. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:15

I think when you're grimy, you're just grimy.

SPEAKER_11 1:05:17

Hey, you're just grimy, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_05 1:05:18

Like, you know what I mean, and how you move. Because Jay Hove did something say something very interesting. It's like, you know, what kind of dollar amount do I have? Like, everyone's like a billionaire should exist. So I can uh what's the difference between me having 999,000 or 999 million? Like, what's the difference? You know what I mean? Like how how how is that gonna change like y'all's perception of me, if y'all think that I'm over here like regardless of where my money's at. But I feel like, you know, um personally I don't see people at the dollars at the dollar sign at all or like what they got going on, whether finances to be the the determining factor of how I view them. Not at all.

SPEAKER_11 1:05:59

Not at all, you know.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:00

Like, you know what I'm saying? Do be get out here taking trips. I mean, I do be aware of who got money, you know what I'm saying? But it's not it's not impressive to me.

SPEAKER_11 1:06:07

But I'm not about to be like, oh, because they got money, I'm gonna be in a room.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:10

Or because they got money, they must be good people or know something. No, or or worth something.

SPEAKER_11 1:06:15

Exactly.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:16

There's a lot of rich people who are absolutely worthless. No value. At the end of the day with no value.

SPEAKER_11 1:06:22

So, yeah, I don't know. I I think you are supposed to change the money, but whoever you are is who you are, which you whether you have money or not.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:28

So do you think you can be rich and be righteous?

SPEAKER_11 1:06:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:32

Yep.

SPEAKER_11 1:06:33

Okay. But you will have to be a little mean. And you will have to take moments of being.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:36

Righteously.

SPEAKER_11 1:06:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 1:06:38

Yeah. And and selfish righteously. You can't pay everybody bills.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:42

You really can't.

SPEAKER_11 1:06:43

You can't. You can't help out. But you can't pay everybody bills. You're gonna be broke.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:46

Then they're gonna be like, so if someone gave you a hundred bands, would you make that little thing last a year?

SPEAKER_11 1:06:51

Nah, they gave me a hundred bands. I'm never asking them for nothing else because I gotta do something with that. That's like, that's a blessing. So if I lose a hundred bands and I was never meant to have it, but at least I touched it. But if someone gave me 100 bands, yeah, man, I'm gonna do something with it myself personally.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:07

Okay.

SPEAKER_11 1:07:07

I feel the same way. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:08

I'm just over here. 100 bands. For real. Crazy. You know what I can do with a hundred bands? Man. Hold up. So so okay, all right. And then one last one. So would you rather be loved broke or respected rich? Can't have both.

SPEAKER_11 1:07:58

Dang, bruh. Um There's no either or either. I know, I know, I know. I'm I'm I'm thinking, I'm thinking. I guess, you know, this ain't Love is the strongest drug though, so I guess love broke, man. Love broke. I did not see that. Well, well, I say that because you gotta it's all about you could be rich and respected, but you don't got no love. You ain't got nobody to turn to, you ain't got nobody there for you. You just alone. And anybody that's around you, only around you because you got money. Yeah, they respect you because you have money. There's no other respect. They don't respect you for the person you are. They don't respect, they don't. No, that's a that's literally you can't, you can't, but but then you disagree with that. So then you're saying they respectfully love you, but you say there's no in between. There's no in between.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:48

No, you know, no, like that it's it's not the fact that, oh, you respect me just because I have money. Like, what if what if I did something impressive or like you know, that's worth the respect?

SPEAKER_11 1:08:57

And they respect that you did that, but they don't love you.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:00

So the minute you don't be loving me, what's that gonna do for me?

SPEAKER_11 1:09:04

But you asked the question. Would you be rather than that?

SPEAKER_05 1:09:07

I'm just I'm just I'm just throwing, I'm just throwing it back at the end.

SPEAKER_11 1:09:09

I know well, well, before you throw it back, what's your answer? I'm assuming you'd rather be respected and rich.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:16

Because I've been loved broke. I'm loved right now and I'm broke as hell. Yeah. I know the feeling that you're talking about. I'm gonna be able to do that. I guess what I'm saying is though because I've not been respectful.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:34

I'm not balling, bro.

SPEAKER_11 1:09:36

I'm not balling, but I I've still done a lot of dope things because of the way that people love me. I've traveled and done all kinds of things because people love me, you know what I mean? And I've still lived my best life on up to this point. I want to I mean, you know, I would definitely love to be rich, but in the scenario that you pick, I guess love and broke, because I can I can I can deal with being in love. Because money, money come and go, but if the love is real, it's gonna stay forever.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:02

That's very sweet.

SPEAKER_11 1:10:03

Yeah, very sweet ass. I know it is, but it's the truth. Positive pick. If I have to pick, if I didn't have to pick, love, respect, and rich.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:14

All treat of things.

SPEAKER_11 1:10:16

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:16

Yeah, no. Give me respect in the rich any day.

SPEAKER_11 1:10:19

Uh I do. I respect that. I get it. That's why you would love me so I wouldn't be broke because I my rich and respected friend love me.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:29

So how she always gonna put a bullet put a pen on the bow.

SPEAKER_11 1:10:32

I'm in the game still, bro. I respect your rich ass. Come on now, let's get on this jet. And I love you because you respect me. That's good. That was good. That was good. See, y'all get that live stuff with us. See, you don't get that nowhere else now. Oh, man. I'm too. I'm all questioned out about capitalism. So I got two parts.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:00

I'm done with that subject.

SPEAKER_11 1:11:01

I got two parts. We can either do the relationship advice. Let's do it. Let's do it. Because two short was just here, the little back. I'll leave that for the end.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:08

We'll fast forward that.

SPEAKER_11 1:11:08

We'll fast forward that.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:09

Yeah, let's get to that. Because we at the Mac Podcast love to help.

SPEAKER_11 1:11:13

Yeah, so I had um two people who were in a relationship come to me separately about advice for their relationships, right? So what I'm gonna do, uh, before giving advice to them, I was like, well, you know, me and my boy, I feel like it's the best of both worlds, you know what I mean? And so uh I'm gonna I'm gonna run it here and then, you know, gather our thoughts and give advice. So, with that being said, the background, I'm gonna start with the girlfriend. Okay. So the girlfriend, her and her boyfriend that have been together for five years now. Um, they known each other since high school. Um the girlfriend is ready for at least a proposal. You know, uh something that says like, hey, we're just not gonna be dating and girlfriend and boyfriend for the rest of our lives. Let me finish before you get the and breathing hard. Um, she and I don't think anything's wrong there, but anywho, um, let me finish. So um at least a proposal of the promise of that it will that it will come eventually. Like it doesn't have to happen tomorrow, but the proposal of that we're not gonna be dating and just be pregnant. How old are they? Um mid-20s? They're later 20s. Later 20s, you know. And they've been together since high school? He's he's a little older, you know what I'm saying? So she so like I'm assuming they've probably been together since high school. They've known each other since high school. Not been together. Okay. Not been together. Known each other. They've known each other.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:37

Been connected since high school.

SPEAKER_11 1:12:39

They've been cool since high school. But after high school they got together at some point. She had I used two four. But like I said, he's a little older, so like I think like two years. So he's like in his 30s. I think he's like 30. Okay. Um, anywho, well, no, maybe a little younger. Any anywho. Anywho. Um, they've known each other for a minute. Yeah. They've been together for five years. That's all that matters at this point. I ain't even gonna hold you. They've been together for five years. Um, she's always known she wanted to be a wife. You know what I mean? Like I said, I don't think anything is wrong with people wanting knowing what they want. It's it's okay for people just because you don't want to get married. I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:10

I did not say anything with it. So be unbiased. I'm being perfectly unbiased.

SPEAKER_11 1:13:14

Okay, we did a whole lot of hard breathing already. Um, anywho, she does love him, she doesn't want to leave. But her her advice, what she needs advice on, is Does it love him and don't want to leave? She loves him. No, she loves him.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:31

She wants to No, she loves him but does and don't want to leave.

SPEAKER_11 1:13:33

That's but she wants to get married at some point, or at least get and I'm sure that he loves her and don't want her to go. Let me finish. It's the same thing, vice versa, but it but at least uh Unless you walk this dog together. Yeah, she she, like I said, even if she eventually wants to get married, but we we, you know, she's bringing her butt to the point because she's been bringing it up for I guess for the past two years. It's like at some point, girl, it two years of saying it will make me not want to propose because when am I gonna surprise you with it? There's no surprise. It's more like it's it's it's a duty, right? I know, that's what I'm saying. I'm unbiased on this. But she she said at least a proposal, but if she's a fiance and she knows eventually it will come, will help her be okay. You know what I mean? Now they do have some other little issues in the relationship. Um, she wishes that they did have more um relations than they do, you know. But, you know, he works, he he does do his thing. So her advice is, you know, is it worth it to stay another five years even if I don't get the proposal? Right? Knowing that I want to be a wife. Okay. Okay, so we're gonna put a pen right there.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:41

Yeah, let me hear the game.

SPEAKER_11 1:14:42

Now the boyfriend, he feels like what they have is perfect. And um that, you know, one day, maybe he will propose, you know what I'm saying? But he also knows that financially, it's just not, it's not a thing. Not not with her, especially with her wanting to dress and you know, that this wedding that she drew up since a little girl. Um, he's also, I don't I don't know if it makes it different, but he does come from a more traditional family, um, where they do things the correct way. But also, um, in his mind, you know, he's always there for her. He provides everything that she wants. She goes we he he might not be balling, but she doesn't want for anything. Um he he did recently get caught up um on his phone. It wasn't that he was talking to other women, but he liked to watch a lot of fornication happening. Like, like, like a bunch of tabs open. Like, we, we, we, yeah, so you know, got caught up in that, um, which, you know, becomes and tur turns into like you can't even solidify this. But he also shared that, uh, and this is what he needs advice on, um, is that he wants to be with her forever. He knows that that's his girl, and especially with everything that just happened with it coming out about more of how his fantasies are working, being that he does come from a traditional family, um, sex wasn't really a conversation that was had, so he's always had to hide it. Now it's been brought to the opening on like how he gets into it and gets off versus getting off with her type. And so they're they they are navigating that, but it also has kind of put more pressure on what, you know, at least a proposal from from the girl. But he doesn't want to get married. He doesn't want to do it the traditional way. He doesn't want to do the whole even if they do a wedding, he doesn't want the big wedding, but he he definitely doesn't want to do it with the paperwork and all that, and he and he's not trying to do it right now. And his he wants to know, like, is he wrong for because he might not ever want to propose. I offered out a promise ring, but it you know, he was like, that's gonna get confused with a proposal. Like fiance, and he was like, I just wanna be with her for the rest of the life, like we are, and we build things together, we get things together, we put our names on things together, but we don't have to have the wedding. And and his he wanted to know is he wrong for staying in a relationship with her, knowing that he's never gonna make her his wife. Unless he's kind of forced into it. Yeah, I know, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:17:22

Alright. Yeah. So unbiased opinion here, I'm taking myself out and my beliefs out of it. Thank you. Take your beliefs out of it. I'm taking my beliefs out of it. Um, from the outside looking in objectively, this does not seem like a recipe for success. Um I feel like Dude has a lot of things that he needs to work out on on his, you know, relationship with sex and with women and his fantasies and like coping that and like, you know, kind of doing the repairs on that. So he can just kind of get to the root um reason why we are on this earth is to connect with each other and to connect and build a legacy and grow something. And that requires having somebody.

SPEAKER_11 1:18:08

And being with someone for five years and being within so I'm just wanted to I agree with that.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:13

I got you. So I feel like if the someone who's been there consistently has someone to work that thing out with, and if that person is loving you enough to navigate this territory with you, that is a sign for her that she's really invested into you and not look at it as being pressured or being forced. This woman has shown you consistently throughout time that she is here for you. That is a very hard thing to come by in this world, in this society. So when you do have someone like that, someone who's been with you consistently for five years, have not shown, have not wavered, have not faltered, that is something to take note and be like, yeah, this person's here for me. Am I am I the right person? Now you gotta navigate as a man, am I the right person for her? Oh, okay. So she wants to do that. So, and so, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, like I don't believe in rushing into marriage. I'm yeah, yeah, I mean either. That I don't think marriage should be something that'd be rushed or pressured or forced into. But it does take it is a threshold that does require patience to get there. And five years is a long time. Five years is a long time, but this is again, time moves pretty fast. These past five years have gone by. So, you know what I mean? Let's not, let's not, let's not over-exaggerate. That's 100. That's 100. You know what I mean? So just like, so yeah, like, yes, it's five years, it's cool, but it's only five years. Yeah, and the bigger concept and the grammar.

SPEAKER_11 1:19:38

I'm on you on it. Okay, I feel you.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:39

Like, you know what I mean? Like, I I feel like in this in this stage in their life, like this, I I understand, like, you know, time, time is cruel to humans. You know what I mean? Like, it takes our it takes a while for our minds to develop, or a body ages way faster than our minds able to uh keep up with. So that's you know, that's a physical thing that we gotta, you know, physical thing that happens. So I understand her need to be a wife to solidify things and have things, you know, going in that direction. I mean, wife, this is a legacy. Right. We're building now we can and solidify. And solidify. So I understand her perspective as well. And I really agree that, yeah, you put from the time that you did put in, it does require the conversation. It does, though. It does require the conversation. Like, hey, we've been together for a nice little chunk of time. That's it.

SPEAKER_11 1:20:26

Where are we going with this? Yeah, like the conversation.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:28

Like, let me know. Like, this is what I want. And I think the conversation she has to be open-minded and patient enough, like, okay, this man is in here. He's not leaving me, but he does have some things that he needs to work on. And there's some things I need to work on myself. Why am I so, why am I pressuring and keep on bringing this up and bringing this up, bringing this up, bringing this up? Why do I feel the need to be a wife so fast?

SPEAKER_11 1:20:49

Knowing when I got a partner in life.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:51

Knowing that I got this man who's really locked in step with me. So I believe on both sides, it's gonna require just a little bit more pre- I know, I know the young people don't like to hear that word patience, but that's just what Well they've been in a relationship together for so long.

SPEAKER_11 1:21:04

They both have patience.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:05

It's not I mean, yeah, so so you guys already done the building steps from you guys are already, you're like you, it's like you're halfway there in the journey. I feel like you're halfway there in the journey or at least almost to like almost there. But now it's like we're at that point where we just have to make that decision together. Like, hey.

SPEAKER_11 1:21:20

I think you hit a good point on he needs to have the conversation of what he wants. Like she doesn't know that part about he might not ever want to propose in the traditional way, you know what I'm saying? Like the whole wedding and all that.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:34

And she has to be either in in her mind, that's where, like, she needs to make a decision. Like, okay, it it's still something I want, but it's not gonna be the traditional way that I want. But do I really want to be? And am I okay with that? Am I okay with that? If I'm not okay with that, then you, ma'am, gonna have to make a choice to like start over again and start fresh. Five years. If you yeah.

SPEAKER_11 1:21:56

I mean, hey. You know, now now taking it away from them, now I'm gonna put my object, my bias in a little bit. If if it was me, honey, I um, I don't know. I don't think I could just live five years go just because we're not getting wedded, like married in a traditional way. I couldn't live. That's a long time to be with somebody, and especially if you're not unhappy. Like, you can have your little hurdles. For five years, you should have hurdles you gotta overcome. So I don't know. I don't if it was new.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:23

So you wouldn't leave?

SPEAKER_11 1:22:24

Mm-hmm. Okay. No, I wouldn't leave. Good. I wouldn't leave. We'll figure it out. Figure it out. We'll get a tattoo of a ring or something. We'll figure it out. We'll jump off a cliff. We'll jump up a cliff solidify.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:34

Hey, tattoos, matching tattoos, but I'm gonna be on my skin forever. I feel like that's better than a great compromise instead of me signing a piece of paper. Because I think I do biasly, I feel dude on that aspect. Yeah. I don't want that either.

SPEAKER_11 1:22:50

I I mean, I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:51

That's just annoying to me. We can have the ceremony. We don't gotta have the government in our venue. Listen, we can have the ceremony. We can have our friends or love them with this. We can have a love ceremony. You can get the dress you want, baby. Girl, all that, but I ain't signing no damn paper. You can legally change your name to mine for$300. Okay, we ain't gotta even do all that. You know what I mean? If you really feel like you want to jump in, but I am nah.

SPEAKER_11 1:23:12

Yeah, alright. So, I don't know, you know. But I feel like we got some, I got some good things to take back to both of them to talk about. So I'm gonna do that.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:19

Don't some friends, man.

SPEAKER_11 1:23:21

You know, but five years a long time, so I I honestly don't just let that go. Don't just let that go. Cause baby, you ain't gonna find nobody. I'm gonna tell you something, because I know both parties. And he's more um, he's calm, collected, laid back. But he is, he's not your typical Hispanic person. He is so well-rounded mentally and with the way he he's open to everything. And um, not saying she's not, she's also on the same level as far as that, but she a little tough on. She a little tough on. She's a little tough. I mean. And so it's like that's kind of hard, you know what I'm saying? So it's like calm your ass down. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He might need to start feeling his emotions instead of thinking about them.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:07

Nah, nah, don't try to run no program over here. Ain't no getting tough over here. Yeah, it's like it's a crazy firm, but like in this case, it's kind of like uh that's cool, but we ain't done nothing. I'm a grown-ass man.

SPEAKER_11 1:24:21

Exactly. He's still a man, you know, he's still a grown ass man. Respect, you know.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:25

Who are you talking to like that? Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.

SPEAKER_11 1:24:29

Like you're staying on business, man. I ain't doing nothing crazy, girl. You just don't like what I'm doing? That's crazy.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:39

I mean, go watch Bad Girl's cover song.

SPEAKER_11 1:24:43

Yeah, that's that's that on that one. You know what I mean? That's that's a relationship we've got. We're gonna we're gonna uh relay that to them.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:51

See, y'all be taking advantage of the cool, chill together, I mean, thinking that we chumps, man. We ain't chumps. We ain't chumps out here, yo.

SPEAKER_11 1:24:59

Yeah, but you speak your mind more than he does too. You cool, calm, and collected.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:03

Yeah. But no, don't step out of place, woman. Don't emasculate. Don't step out of place, woman. I'll put you right back in there. Yeah. Verbal like Tyson.

SPEAKER_11 1:25:16

Playing around. Not playing around.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:20

I ain't fucking with that. They don't know you ain't gonna run me.

SPEAKER_11 1:25:25

That's what I had on that.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:26

Oh, that's a good part. Yeah, we're gonna get out of here on that.

SPEAKER_11 1:25:29

Also, though, I do want to say, um, I went up, I went, because I'm not gonna get into it, but the two short Lil' John, y'all should check out that interview about.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:37

Oh, we're gonna get into it next week.

SPEAKER_11 1:25:38

We can get into it next week. Period. So, other than that, I just want to say happy heavenly birthday to Romy Rome. You remember Rome? Oh, yeah. Happy Heavenly birthday, man. That was my guy, dog. Rest in power. And happy belated birthday to my sister. I love you, Ashley.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:52

Yes, man. Yes, ma'am. All right, y'all, man. This is the Mac Podcast. Thank you guys for tuning in, man. Joining us for another episode. I hope you enjoy listening as much as we enjoy talking to you guys. Keep us in your thoughts and prayers, because I guarantee that you are in ours in a word to the wise. Don't let wins be the relief and losses be the tragedy. What is simple and what is easy are really the same. A wise man can play the fool, but a fool can never play the wise man. Amen. And last but not least, no amount of the money in the world can buy you more time, so spend yours wisely. This is the Mac Podcast, and we are out. And I don't know what song I'm gonna play to end us, man. Where we at, man?

SPEAKER_11 1:26:27

Love respect and rich. Amen. No broke, no broke, no broke over here, no broke. Oh man.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:41

Oh, dog. I'm out of here. Yo, these things are crazy.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:00

My little buggy, whatever he wants. Madam T, don't be asking for much. Poin lean on the nuggets and runs. Spill the rest of that drink in a punch. Left prince on some I had to stunt. Right, Rich, I just did it because 600 the label, you know how we comin'. Tell them niggas they ain't taking nothing. Standin' on business, we shootin' a punchin'. Hey man's nigga, go get you some money. I just got off a tour, finna go on another one. Album dumb, finna drop me another one. Couple in's finna run up another one. Super Bowl ring, should I had to go dumb? Say I'm the biggest, the largest. Been stepping up since my mama stayed in them apartments. Regardless, my daddy told me keep the hit even when I'm in foreigners. I'm heartless. Cause these niggas is hatin' on me just because I'm the biggest, the largest, the biggest, the largest. Hey