Toxic Lovers, Lustful Losers & Raw Dog Warriors

This episode kicks off with pure chaos as Asaad the Artiz admits he’s fallen right back into his toxic ways. What starts as a hilarious confession turns into a full toxic trait reveal session, with both hosts exposing the habits, mindsets, and behaviors they know are red flags. But instead of pretending toxicity is always hated, the conversation flips the narrative and asks the real question: why do people secretly LOVE toxic energy? The intensity, unpredictability, emotional highs, and raw honesty become the center of the debate.

Things get even wilder when the hosts enter a no-filter discussion about intimacy and whether there’s actually a deeper emotional connection between “cracking raw” versus using protection. Is it psychological? Emotional? Or are people just attaching meaning where there isn’t any? The debate gets uncomfortable, hilarious, and brutally honest all at once.

On the music side, the podcast questions why rap feels unusually quiet right now. Where are the moments? The albums? The energy? The hosts unpack whether the genre is in a creative lull or if audiences are just disconnected from what’s dropping.

After a quick intermission, the episode pivots into trending culture conversations — including the news surrounding Stefon Diggs being found not guilty in assault and strangulation allegations, leading into a hilarious but serious debate: “Can chefs with BBLs actually be trusted?”

The second half dives into what the hosts call the “lustful losers epidemic,” reframing it from simple horniness into a bigger conversation about discipline, self-control, intentional desire, and modern dating habits. From there, they react to Ray J claiming to have slept with over 12,000 women and break down Blueface’s latest controversial takes surrounding “paternal permission,” relationships, and accountability.

Toxicity, lust, music, relationships, culture wars, and complete unfiltered madness — this episode covers ALL of it.

Transcript

SPEAKER_05 0:00

Uh man, you know.

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Happy Cinco de Mayo.

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Happy Cinco de Mayo.

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Before I knew better, it was Happy Cinco de Mayo. Because Mayo names are spelled. Alright. I didn't take Spanish. I know better now. Oh man.

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Look. What kind of podcast are we having today, yo? Um what kind of podcast do you want to have today?

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You know, I'm just saying, I'm with whatever you with, you know?

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Okay. I'm probably enjoying all the.

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I'm on one. I'm enjoying these all the time. I'm on one today.

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I'm letting you know this right now.

unknown 0:30

Good.

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I'm feeling good. I'm on one.

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I feel like bringing out it because you know there's so so many episodes on here where I've showed a lot of growth and and maturity. Are you about to regress? For the sake of balance. Oh no. For the sake of balance, man, I gotta I gotta be on one.

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This mother have a Libra daughter now.

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Yeah.

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Hey, I ain't made that though. It's balance. Hey, I ain't gonna lie to you.

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I'm maturing too much.

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I'm torn in between two, because I'm feeling pretty childish and pegging myself.

SPEAKER_05 1:02

Oh no, I need it. I need to I need to let my toxicity show because here. Oh yeah, oh yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:08

I ain't made it.

SPEAKER_05 1:09

You know, we you know the balance is I have to do it. Okay. Because, you know, this is uh this is the Mac podcast, you know what I mean? This is uh Mike's attitude and knowledge. This is I like that. This is making audio classics.

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This is With a K, baby, so you know.

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This is this is I like that masters at kicking game. I like that. Okay. I like that. Okay? I like that mentality alter kingdoms. Bruh. That's what we do.

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My boy's in his bag. Listen, I'm feeling it. Hey, keep it going.

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This is the Mac Podcast.

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You know what I love? This ain't about me. You know what I'm gonna say? What it is about Malik and Kenny.

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Malik and Kid.

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Because you know, everything you said though, bro, embodies. Like, keep going. Let's go, family.

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No, no, no, no. This is music, art, and culture. Ooh, came back to go. We're taking the case back. Okay. And and and this this isn't your stereotypical podcast, you know, though that's very dry, very boring. No, no, no, no. On this platform, this platform specifically, we celebrate transparency, authentic. We want everybody who's listening to this podcast to be in that vibe. In the name of transparency, okay, I gotta let you guys know. I am a hot mess. Hey. And I will let you guys know that this episode is gonna highlight me being a hot mess. The mess that's hot. Cause I want it, cause I want it.

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If you want it, if you want it.

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Let's go.

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If you want it, if you want it, if you want it, I'll do it.

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You might come on here. It is not coming on here.

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I do not have 2500 for bro.

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We do not. I take Bro Rilla all day.

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I'm gonna get the original for Bro Rilla. Alrighty, alrighty, alrighty. Welcome to another episode of the Mac Podcast. I'm your host, the star the artist, alongside with the big star of the show. You already know it is Big K Big Tree Chemistry's in the building. Let you guys know that the thoughts, views, and opinions are for entertainment purposes only. Uh, yeah, you know what I'm saying? Hopefully this episode don't give me in too much trouble, but you know, we'll see. We'll see. Uh letting you guys know the support comes from double K double H A L P Arcata 94.7 FM Community for a radio broadcast from the heart of a district. Of the district. That's creamer.

SPEAKER_06 6:17

Of Arcada. It's creamery. Um, all right.

SPEAKER_08 6:20

Well sadness.

SPEAKER_05 6:21

So you play the Ratchets for the Toxics or uh because I'm on it, I'm on it, I'm on it, I'm on it, I'm on it, I'm on it. Okay. So I'm crazy as hell, right? This is no secret. No secret at all. So I was thinking today in the name of growth and maturity. Okay. What are my toxic traits? Well, what are my toxic traits that I need to to to work on?

SPEAKER_08 6:46

Or at least acknowledge and embrace. Yeah, acknowledge and embrace. Because if you know you got it, then yeah.

SPEAKER_05 6:52

So I created a top ten of my list. You want to hear it? Yeah, I'm listening. Alright. In no particular order. Right? These are ten of my personal toxic traits. Alright. Let's go with number one. I create fake fights in my head so I can win more arguments. That's one. Uh two. Nah, we're gonna skip that one.

SPEAKER_08 7:20

Actually, we can't we're coming back.

SPEAKER_05 7:21

No, no, no, we're gonna get it. We're gonna get to it. Say dope or sounds good when it indeed isn't dope or it doesn't sound good. Right. I be lying. Um number three. I pay bets until whoever I bet forget about the whole bet. So if we have a bet and you win the bet, I'll pay you. Slowly. Eventually. Unless you forget. And no, when you forget, and I just randomly drop money on your hand, you're gonna be like, that's all backwards. What's this for?

SPEAKER_07 7:56

That's all backwards.

SPEAKER_05 7:57

And I'm gonna be like this. You don't remember? That's all backwards crossing.

SPEAKER_06 8:01

Go ahead.

SPEAKER_05 8:03

That's so backwards. Number four. I sign up for Tinder. Just to swipe right on everybody and talk to no one. And I unmatch anyone.

SPEAKER_08 8:12

Stop out, slap out.

SPEAKER_05 8:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 8:14

So you swipe right, that means you accept them, right? Everyone. Everyone, just for you two.

SPEAKER_05 8:19

Talk to no one.

SPEAKER_06 8:20

That is so toxic.

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And I unmatch anybody who's ugly that says hi to me. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 8:28

Keep going.

SPEAKER_05 8:31

That's funny. So we have a Tinder match out there. Oh no. Don't take that thing serious. At all.

SPEAKER_08 8:39

Don't even. Bro, just on it to make himself look better. I got the whole world in my hands.

SPEAKER_05 8:47

Uh, number five. I text on my way where I haven't even started getting ready yet.

SPEAKER_08 8:54

Oh man, I do that too.

SPEAKER_05 8:55

Alright, alright. Ditto. Uh, where am I? Number six, let's do it. Given elite relationship advice despite being single and never been in a long-term consistent relationship. Yeah? Yeah. Yeah, we we can agree on that.

SPEAKER_07 9:13

Yeah.

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Okay, alright.

SPEAKER_07 9:15

Yeah, hey man, I ain't mad at you, bro. This is some good.

SPEAKER_05 9:17

This is some good stuff. Alright. Okay. Number seven. I'm unable to apologize without adding a whole TED talk explanation on my side.

SPEAKER_08 9:32

Hey, bro, you know what? I too am guilty. I'm gonna ditto that one. What number was that?

SPEAKER_06 9:36

Number seven.

SPEAKER_08 9:36

Number seven, ditto.

SPEAKER_06 9:38

Number seven.

SPEAKER_08 9:39

Ditto. Because I feel like context matters.

SPEAKER_06 9:42

Context and nuances is very important.

SPEAKER_05 9:44

Right. So you gotta know exactly where I'm at.

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Even though if I'm wrong, if we supposed to be listening instead of giving the TED talk. So I give, keep going.

SPEAKER_05 9:51

That was number seven. Okay. Number eight, believing a fresh haircut and a good workout will cure a funky depression. Yeah, they're supposed to. Yeah. Okay. Now this one, you're gonna. I'm gonna get my back kicked in on this one. I'm gonna get my back ached on this one. Alright. I fully subscribe to the whole black men don't cheat narrative. Because monogamy is a white man's construct that works because it appeases to women's ego and insecurity. This is absolutely That's number nine.

SPEAKER_06 10:34

Don't worry. Go ahead, cake man. We'll do it. We'll do it. We'll talk about it. That was number nine.

SPEAKER_05 10:42

Number ten, being emotionally unavailable, but call it protecting my peace. Okay, I feel that. Most of the top ten.

SPEAKER_08 10:50

I feel that. Now I didn't know about this, but I I, while you were doing this, decided to try to do my little own sale. And I hate that I agree. I have three dittos with you. Okay. No, two dittos. Nope, three. Uh I'm stubborn. I'm stubborn. I'm stubborn. I'm sensitive. I hate the word emotional. So I take sensitive while trying to be logical. Okay. And I don't know if the two go together. Uh I have dismissive behavior. If I don't get it, I dismiss it. Okay. Uh I run away until I feel like coming back.

unknown 11:36

Okay.

SPEAKER_08 11:36

But I do they know how to angry, like I don't want to be so angry. I say the wrong thing. So uh shut down while processing. Okay. I do that. And I diddled, uh, whatever you say after the what's what? Might have been your sixth one. What was your sixth one?

SPEAKER_05 11:55

My sixth one was. That ain't good.

SPEAKER_08 12:02

I know, I hear it. Look at us, y'all getting it raw.

SPEAKER_05 12:06

We getting it clean. Well, we're gonna just uh Oh, might be alright. Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna smooth past that real quick. Alright, uh, number six was I text on my way when I have him started. Yeah, that's it.

SPEAKER_08 12:17

That's it. Number seven, dead all as well.

SPEAKER_05 12:20

Okay, number seven is the uh oh, being unable to apologize without having uh hotel talk. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Got it. Um What made you do this? Like I said, I'm crazy. But like I said, I'm trying to progress, but it's it's a very slow process. But then I just like okay, what what is it about me that has some validity that I've heard over the years about me rather than just doubling down on it? Let's explore it.

SPEAKER_08 12:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 12:52

And um my thoughts about the whole concept of toxicity. Let me to uh a few elevations that people should stop calling everything toxic. Like, for example, I don't think toxic is when people don't like the truth, the intensity, and the unpredictable uh unpredictable that comes with uh real emotions.

SPEAKER_08 13:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 13:19

I don't think that's toxic. I think that's just being truthful, intense, and unpredictable. It ain't toxic. And just because it hurts your little feelings doesn't mean that, you know, a person's out to like set out to destroy you mentally or spiritually, even though there are some evil people out there who do subscribe to that. There are the majority of us, I feel, which is because we're speaking from a real place, we're not being toxic at all.

SPEAKER_08 13:47

I I do agree with that. I think that it becomes toxic when you're speaking out of anger. Even if what you're saying is real in in some way, shape, or form, when speaking out of anger, you say it in a way to hurt somebody. So your intention is to hurt or belittle. I think that's what makes it toxic, even though you're saying something that may have some truth to it. I think it's the way that you, you know, deliver it, because it's, you know, you shouldn't wait till you get angry to say something.

SPEAKER_05 14:15

You know.

SPEAKER_08 14:15

You feel me?

SPEAKER_05 14:16

No. And I don't think my thought process and my other things that I subscribe to is toxic at all. Even though that's a lot of that's a narrative that's you know set out there against your boy. But you know, that's just how I feel. And let's be honest, man, like I feel like, you know, people are more attracted to the toxic or the the the spark or so sad too. Yeah, yeah, people like people like the whole excited, like, because you know, you know, old girl sage, you know what I mean? Friend of the show. Friend of the show. Friend of the show. But you know, we know what she she be on, you know. I mean, we all on the Facebook, you know, we we see what she be going through, how she like publicizes and everything, but I feel like she really loves that joint, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_07 14:58

I mean, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 14:59

She loves it, and it just like, but that's just an example of so many around the show. Well, I got you know, like But it's like, but that's just a small example. Shout out to Taste, but I don't, you know what I mean? That's just what it is.

SPEAKER_08 15:09

Also eventually once once she's healed from this all the way. I would love to have her come on and maybe give that that viewpoint. But you know, we'll see. Um, I do agree though with from it, just you know it sucks. It really sucks having to see it like this. Because I like to win think that if you love someone properly and show them the things that they never had, that should be the end all be all. Right? But instead, it makes you a sucker. You feel me? Because when you do like finally disagree or be like, alright, well, I let it ride for a little while so you can see that I can handle that behavior, but like it's not okay. You feel me? Like you're not gonna take it out on me. Then you're toxic for like not accepting bad behavior anymore. So it's like, well, I should have just started off straight up, shutting everything down and and and being uh uh, you know, an asshole in a sense.

SPEAKER_05 16:03

Yeah, because you know, like people interpreted that whole nice routine as being boring, safe, forget about. They don't, I don't think, you know, in relationship people actually want the peace that they are craving. They they they want more stimulation. I still have more entertainment. More entertainment. You know what I mean? Like people get broken up for no reason, just because somebody's bored. Just because, or just out of the out of the blue. Like for real. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 16:27

But at the same time, these same people, if you ever look in their past, I promise you, they acted a fool for the person who did them the dirtiest. The person who hurt them the most, they acted out, they didn't, and I get like, you know, where they say, well, from the from that, I learned I'm not dealing with stuff anymore. Right. But you compare it, like, I don't know. It I you on something with that, bro.

SPEAKER_05 16:52

So I feel like you over here agree with me that toxic is good.

SPEAKER_08 16:55

I'm agreeing with you. That's what it seems like in this world.

SPEAKER_05 16:57

Then let me lead in some more then.

SPEAKER_08 16:59

Ha! Good! This is uh uh this is me being the opposite.

SPEAKER_05 17:03

Ha ha ha. Alright. Now, I feel, and this is where I'm this is where I'm at. Instead of calling me toxic, which is lazy, I feel like you're just avoiding self-reflection.

SPEAKER_08 17:16

Yeah, projection.

SPEAKER_05 17:17

Definitely projection going on. Am I toxic or am I exotic?

SPEAKER_08 17:23

Do I challenge you? That's what it be, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 17:26

Do I challenge you?

SPEAKER_08 17:27

I challenge you for a different way of life and living and loving. Mm-hmm. And because now I'm doing that, I'm toxic.

SPEAKER_05 17:33

Because everybody in your life ain't supposed to be an easy presence in your life, you know what I'm saying? And everyone be like, oh, it's my person, my person is supposed to be that way. I feel like that is embroidered in egotism. And and like, you know what I mean? Because a person pushes you and challenges you. But like, like, no, but like people have this fantasy version of a person that's supposed to be for them, right? But like they don't understand or seen or connecting the dots that it's a fantasy. It is not reality. You gotta deal with the reality of people where we're at right now in 2026.

SPEAKER_08 18:00

Yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_05 18:01

So I feel like people need to stop um trying to find people who cater to them, babies them, and stuff like that. Because it's this, like, even though like the world is hard enough as it is, right? Like people out there on, you know, their different journey, different frequencies, whatever the case may be, right? And yes, your person is supposed to alleviate all of the not add, no, not alleviate, but not add on to the stress, not add on to the stress. But that person isn't supposed to be, okay, this person got to behave this way, or think this way, or treat me this way. Because I feel like, where do you get off telling another person that you just met, don't know this is how I want to be treated.

SPEAKER_08 18:46

Ain't that highly narcissistic? No. I get I don't think that's narcissistic. Um, it's nothing wrong with knowing what, especially with the older you get, what, or who you're going to deal with, or what you're going to deal with. I don't think anything's wrong with that. I think the problem comes in with, like you said, um, the person who your getaway is supposed to like kind of be the one that you don't mind babying you, but at the same time can be like, I get what you're saying, I hate that happened to you, but you do you want the reality or do you want me just to make you feel better? Right? Because that's really the truth of it. Most people, you try to like give them reality of it, like, you know, I hate that that happened, but if you think about it, blah blah blah, they be like, I didn't need that. I just wanted you to like make me feel better. Even though I was wrong, just make me feel better.

SPEAKER_05 19:34

True. Um, that's cool.

SPEAKER_08 19:36

I feel like Your person's supposed to be the person that challenges you, make you feel safe. Yeah. You like you, you, you want to tell them about your day, but at the same time, you gotta understand they're not gonna, everything that you do ain't okay.

SPEAKER_05 19:49

Because now, now with that in that same light, in that same breath, like in my position, in my past, like, you know, whatever's, whenever someone tells me about a problem or an issue or something like that, I listen to kind of like solve the problem or help. Right, come up with a solution. You know, membrane, oh, there's a problem I fix. No, forget that. I'm not doing none of that anymore. You tell me about your problems, I'm just gonna listen. Be like, okay, what you gonna do about it? And if that's not nothing that comes to your mind, then we're just gonna move on to the next topic.

SPEAKER_08 20:20

I feel you on that. Like, I don't think you're wrong with doing it like that. I just like now what I have where I'm at based on what I've been going through, is now I just ask, do you want a solution, or do you just want me to listen so you can vent and let it out? No, I'm not even gonna ask the question. Nah, but I'm telling you though, that's you know what's crazy? I'm not even gonna ask the question. It's a real question, though, because you will get an answer. They'll tell you, I just need to vent it out. Or I need a solution. Or just tell me before you even start. So that's a solution based. Yeah, tell me ahead of time. Because as far as I'm concerned, just to be like, I need to get this off my chest.

SPEAKER_05 20:49

If it's a problem, let's just solve it. Alright. Right. Do you want a little soundboard? Yeah. One little tidbit here and there. That's what it is, though. Because I'm not gonna get emotionally invested in what you got going on.

SPEAKER_08 20:58

Because then I become a bad guy.

SPEAKER_05 21:00

Yeah, but you ain't got no intention on fixing anything.

SPEAKER_08 21:03

Nope, you just wanna complain.

SPEAKER_05 21:04

Yeah, you just want to complain.

SPEAKER_08 21:05

All right, bet. Right. And that's just not how we operate. Like, I don't operate like that neither. Like, I don't, I, I might, I might vent or need a release, but I'm not gonna sit in it. I'm be like, okay, what do I do to solve it? What do I do to get past it? Some people though, they like to sit in it, bruh.

SPEAKER_05 21:22

Could it be me?

SPEAKER_08 21:25

I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 21:26

Um, but yeah, those are just some um some thoughts I had about the subject.

SPEAKER_08 21:30

And it seems like toxic people are winning again.

SPEAKER_05 21:32

Yes, they've been winning. They have been winning.

SPEAKER_08 21:35

It sucks though, bro.

SPEAKER_05 21:36

And like the whole term nice guy finished last, whatever the thing. You know, I think that's true. I do believe that in the end in my in my 36 years in this on this planet, and in and as in in the identity that I'm in, yeah, this is true. This is true.

SPEAKER_08 21:52

As long as we finish, right?

SPEAKER_05 21:53

Yeah. I mean, no, I don't want to finish last. I mean, be in the middle of the pack at least.

SPEAKER_08 22:01

Ain't too much wrong being last. If you ain't first, you're last. Ricky Bobby. But you gotta be either first or last. Everybody else in between don't matter. Mm-hmm. But you're saying if the first don't last, then the last be first. That's fine.

SPEAKER_05 22:13

I think I just drop some bars. That's a bar right there. Not not for nothing. That is a bar.

SPEAKER_08 22:18

Hey, I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_05 22:19

Cool, Skeet. Um, okay. Well shoot. That's uh that's what I want to start off the show with. I'm here for it. I'm here for it.

SPEAKER_08 22:28

You got right into the deep end. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_05 22:31

Music, where we at? Hey. What we got? What we got looking forward to? Nothing. It's been quiet out there.

SPEAKER_06 22:39

In the in the in the in the terms of hip hop. And hip hop, and hip hop.

SPEAKER_08 22:42

It really has to be quite a lot.

SPEAKER_05 22:42

And hip hop has been really quiet.

SPEAKER_08 22:44

Dang, it really has. But you know what? I ain't gonna hold you. I've been keeping my eye on the South Carolina scene. You know what I mean? With the trap dickies, we got my boy Cusco, he goes by Whoa. It's a lot of folks like they doing their thing. It's just in South Carolina, so. I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 23:01

Outside of that, what's been going on hip-hop wise, bro? That's kind of scary.

SPEAKER_05 23:11

It is scary. And I mean, like, and especially for us as underground artists and stuff like that. Even we are like, even like locally around here, feels like hip-hop. The hip-hop scene just died. Hey, we had hey, it was a short run.

SPEAKER_06 23:26

It was a short run. It's not short.

SPEAKER_08 23:28

It was a short run. It's just the same old, same old around here, though.

SPEAKER_05 23:32

It was from 2017 to 2020.

SPEAKER_06 23:36

A short three years. I mean, people still don't hip hop out here, though.

SPEAKER_05 23:40

Nah, but it's the same people because you know the politics. They go. Because of politics. That's called what it is. It's the same. Yeah, it's the same thing. We already had plenty of discussions about the local politics of Humboldt.

SPEAKER_07 23:50

Dang, bro, you're right.

SPEAKER_05 23:51

Ain't nothing new.

SPEAKER_07 23:53

I just realized Scary Toss.

SPEAKER_05 23:56

All right, so then we go back to the whole toxic thing. Alright, look. You funny. We're gonna talk about Stefan Diggs really quick. Um he was getting sued by who had a BBL. Having a chef with the city. How? BBLs, it should be the new red flag. It doesn't matter. It should be the new red flag. If a woman wants to do something with her body, that is fine and dandy, but when you're bringing that, bringing that energy over here to me, you don't want to brought up the BBL. I'm just saying, BBL should be like it's a toxic trait. I think that's a toxic trait. If she has a BBL, she's toxic.

SPEAKER_08 24:33

You know what I do want to bring up hip-hop-wise for my ladies while you speak on that.

SPEAKER_05 24:37

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_08 24:38

Uh, shout out to Eve. Eve Eve, you remember her. Who's that girl? Yeah, she recently went. Whatever. She recently went. She also was with Stevie J and he was beating the hell out of her. So, okay. Oh, it doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_05 24:51

Stevie J ain't the crowned example of black man, but go ahead.

SPEAKER_08 24:53

It don't matter. He's still a black man. But you know, but you said all black men don't cheat us, huh?

SPEAKER_05 24:57

Yeah, we don't cheat.

SPEAKER_08 24:58

Okay, so hold that. You know he cheated.

SPEAKER_05 25:01

Oh no, he didn't cheat. He's a sleeve.

SPEAKER_08 25:03

He definitely cheated. Clay didn't cheat. I don't know what Clay did. I don't care what his PBS face. He can do what he wants. He's lucky that she even paid him too much of attention. What? Honestly, I'm just saying. What do you say? I'm just saying. Like, I don't care. I don't care about it. Like, he's gonna move on and she's gonna move on. But what I want to say, because this doesn't matter. Crazy. Um, E. E. was saying how shout out to Cardi B. Because, you know, back in the day. Whatever. But this is some good stuff, though. Back in the day when women were, you know, like our early hip hop artists, it wasn't a thing to get pregnant. You couldn't be pregnant and have a career. And Eve said that, you know, seeing how Cardi B did it, because Cardi B got pregnant and still had a career. It showed her that they could have been doing it.

SPEAKER_03 25:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 25:46

So shout out to that. How about that? Hip-hop news. For the ladies. He's looking at me like Eve ain't hip hop. Who's that girl?

SPEAKER_05 26:00

She was literally with Brock Riders. Hey man, all I know is morals ain't keeping her.

SPEAKER_07 26:06

What? What? You said morals? What morals? Is she supposed to have?

SPEAKER_05 26:14

No, just like that thing popped in my head. We'll go for the Mac thing. Morals ain't keeping her, fellas. Just remember.

SPEAKER_07 26:21

My God.

SPEAKER_08 26:27

You know, I don't even. I'm so sad for what love is gonna look like in the future, bro.

SPEAKER_04 26:36

Oh, yeah. Like it's love, that love thing is cooked. Cooked, you hear me?

SPEAKER_06 26:41

It's not. It's just not.

SPEAKER_04 26:42

Have you seen the younger generation and how they approach things?

SPEAKER_08 26:45

It's because they don't know any better.

SPEAKER_06 26:48

We don't know any better.

SPEAKER_08 26:50

I remember, dawg bro, when I I don't care if I show my age. Like, if somebody, any boy that wanted to take me out, because this isn't high school, middle school, you know what I mean? Like, I wasn't outside like that. Back in no time, you was not. Okay, honey, I was still trying to figure it out. But if it's someone who wanted to take me out, or they they had to meet. And in this case, like my mom, she worked a lot, so swear to God I love her, but she wasn't there. But my Aunt Darlene and my Uncle Rick, who like kind of took his hand, you know what I mean? They made sure they met the person. Like that happens. Yeah. That used to happen. Used to. You feel me? So like at some point we just stopped. It doesn't have to be. Our generation got kids. You had to meet the maybe you didn't, I don't know. Nope.

SPEAKER_05 27:31

Never had to meet not one father.

SPEAKER_08 27:33

Or or the person who raised them? Nope. And see, that's wild. See? I grew up in that. I grew up in that. I did though. But it made a difference. It made the difference.

SPEAKER_05 27:42

There's too many options out here. Things are too accessible out here. Things are too financially driven out here. We got clipbait culture.

SPEAKER_08 27:51

So what do we do? We just let it be? No. Um. We don't try to course correct at all? Because you got kids.

SPEAKER_05 28:00

Of course.

SPEAKER_08 28:01

And I feel very I got niecent nephews, but you got kids.

SPEAKER_05 28:04

And I'm terrified for their future. I really am. So what do we do? We just continue to like We continue to try and instill character and morals.

SPEAKER_08 28:13

We back meeting a goddog on people. Yeah, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_05 28:16

Character, integrity, morals, but you know what I mean? Just keep in mind that the morals ain't keeping them.

SPEAKER_08 28:21

That's alright, though. Teach your son to open up doors. Teach your son to uh and listen, this is gonna say.

SPEAKER_05 28:28

Open up doors. You can be the emotional support system. Uh you can be gives it up. The protector. You can do all of that. It ain't keeping her.

SPEAKER_08 28:40

I just can't think that that's real.

SPEAKER_05 28:42

I mean, I I I hate reality too. I don't want to acknowledge it either. But reality's reality.

SPEAKER_08 28:48

If that's the case, then you know.

SPEAKER_05 28:50

The sun rises, the moon rises.

SPEAKER_08 28:52

Yeah, but you can't have the sun without the moon.

SPEAKER_05 28:54

Yeah. True story. Like, I'm not disputing anything that you're saying. Yeah. What it should be. I know how it looks. What it is. I see how it is, but. Yeah. There's a difference of how it's.

SPEAKER_08 29:04

We're also not talking to the youngins about love. We all bitter. Everybody bitter.

SPEAKER_05 29:09

Everybody jittered. All men are trash. I'm done dating, but when the problem is you. Shout out to Shade.

SPEAKER_08 29:15

But not just all men are trash. Men also say women are trash.

SPEAKER_05 29:21

No, we don't. No, we don't. We do not. Okay. That is a one-sided attack. Promise you.

SPEAKER_08 29:28

And put up women are trash in Facebook.

SPEAKER_05 29:30

Okay.

SPEAKER_08 29:30

Let's see how much this comes up.

SPEAKER_05 29:32

I mean, we don't have Are We Dating the Same Girl humble.

SPEAKER_08 29:35

I don't care nothing about it. I'm talking about just angels.

SPEAKER_05 29:37

Who's a problem here?

SPEAKER_08 29:38

Trash. You know how, like, if you type in saying It ain't us.

SPEAKER_05 29:43

There's a lot of dudes be on some weird time. Not for not for you.

SPEAKER_08 29:45

Yeah, but they're still men. They still are a part of who you are. They have penis.

SPEAKER_05 29:50

But the majority of the diaspora of men.

SPEAKER_08 29:52

This dude says this needs to be said. You women are trash. The longer I've been single, the less I have energy to tolerate drama and bare minimum behavior.

SPEAKER_05 30:01

Because women specialize in bare minimum behavior.

SPEAKER_08 30:04

So do men. Y'all go raw with a woman you don't even know. And then get mad.

unknown 30:11

Come on.

SPEAKER_08 30:11

But does that have anything to do with that? That's not trash behavior. You don't even know her and you don't care?

SPEAKER_05 30:16

That is what That is trash.

SPEAKER_08 30:18

That means you don't care.

SPEAKER_05 30:18

That's not trash behavior. What's trash behavior? Okay, so if that's trash behavior, like the woman letting the dude crack raw and he don't know him. It's a double. She could be like, no, we're a condom and do got wear wear wear rubber. I'm going somewhere with this. But she's like, nah, that's cool. So really, if it's cool with it, he's cool with it. Is that how is that a minute trash? How's that for all the miniatures?

SPEAKER_08 30:46

I'm gonna tell you why, because if it don't work out with her, right? Then the minute she moves on and she cracking somebody else, say you like her, don't have to go in raw and doing all that. Let's just be 100 now. Okay. Say she just move on because y'all swear that all women just fall in love. And no, some women can do the same thing as men. They can crack and keep it moving. Okay. She crack and keep it moving. You get in your feelings. Next thing you know, she a hoe. She let me hit raw early. She definitely let him hit raw.

SPEAKER_05 31:10

That's not a conversation. Dudes are not saying that.

SPEAKER_03 31:12

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_05 31:13

Not in 2026. You were alive. Not in 2026. Not in 2026. Yeah. Too much of that's been happening. Oh no. Too much of that's been going on. You know, you know we're not. No, we're not. Hold on, let me let me walk. Let me walk. Some dudes' egos be hurt that they didn't get chose on the crack and move on. But they don't. And that's why he's saying all of that. But it's not the fact that it's not the fact that they cracked raw, is why he's saying that. Yes, it is. No, it's not. They could have cracked with a condom and she would have cracked the code. No, but it's the same thing.

SPEAKER_08 31:48

It's not the same thing, though. We know it's not, because if that was the 110%. So hitting hitting with a condom on and going raw is the same. Yes, it is. So it feels the same. No, it doesn't feel the same. So that's the difference. But it's essentially the same thing. It's not essentially the same thing. It is the same thing. It's not because cracking is not cracking with it. Cracking is cracking whether it's between males and females. It is not just the same. Yes, it is.

SPEAKER_05 32:08

So, oh my god. It's the same thing, same results, same intimacy, same emotional connection, same mental connection, same physical connection. In the difference between two. When two people decide to crack, emotions are um involved in some capacity. You don't think raw make a difference?

SPEAKER_08 32:25

No. Oh my God. This is like this scientific. Okay. Okay. I'm not even.

SPEAKER_05 32:33

Yo. Audience, man, please tap in on the MAP podcast and let me know. I'm gonna make sure I let me know. Are you gonna share this episode?

SPEAKER_08 32:40

I need you to give me clips of the city. Are you gonna share this episode? I will share if you could do one thing for me. I need you to edit a clip of that part. This part right now. Oh, me and you talking about raw and condom, the difference. And I promise you, women and men both the same. There is a difference between hitting with a condom. You going in the first few times with a condom, and then you hit raw, it changes the dynamic. No, it doesn't. That piece, okay. I feel like instead of So why y'all always insist on going raw?

SPEAKER_06 33:07

Huh? Why men always be like, let me hit raw, babe? Because it feels better. That's it. That's the only difference. That's the only difference.

SPEAKER_08 33:15

Isn't it better?

SPEAKER_06 33:16

No, it just feels different. A different sensation. This is how I know you're disconnected. I'm not disconnected. I'm very both you are disconnected. I'm very connected. I want as a connection to the city. I'm connected to reality. I'm connected to logic.

SPEAKER_08 33:27

I don't have, you know what, though? We're gonna see. This one we're definitely gonna get a poll on.

SPEAKER_05 33:31

I'm trying to tell you, man, it makes no difference. Cracking is cracking. I want to make sure my stance is very clear. You want to know what's going on? Cracking is cracking, whether it's with a condom or not.

SPEAKER_08 33:41

Watch this, though. I'm about to ask you a question.

SPEAKER_05 33:43

If y'all crack, that means that some emotional mental connection happened. So for sex and the gold. No, no, no. So the ghosting, the people, the reason why people are hurt of the ghosting is because the mental and the emotional connection is severed. You don't Not because we crack.

SPEAKER_08 33:58

When you have sex with someone, I got a question for you. When you have sex with someone, you can just literally have sex with someone and keep it moving, ain't it? No, I'm not built like that. Okay. I'm asking you, this is a real question. Or can can you just have sex with someone to keep it moving? Or can you have sex like it actually means something if you do it?

SPEAKER_05 34:14

Every time I have sex, it means something.

SPEAKER_08 34:16

I asked this because, like, honestly, I just had this conversation with Shorty the other day. And uh, because gone till 11 o'clock the next day, and I know when they, you know, messed up, anything goes. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm talking about. You talk about off. Talk about it. Any Udo they said to me as a girl. She said, I can have sex and keep it moving.

SPEAKER_05 34:37

That's what she said.

SPEAKER_08 34:38

I can have sex and keep it moving.

SPEAKER_05 34:39

Sociopath.

SPEAKER_08 34:40

No matter what. Like, even though we you could be in a relationship with someone for all these years and afterwards, whatever, just have sex and keep it moving. Sociopath. Go ahead. I'm just saying though, like, people do.

SPEAKER_05 34:51

Some people do function like that. That's cool. That's cool. But like those same people who can crack and move on and without a conscience, they would do it either with a condom or raw.

SPEAKER_08 35:00

And it would be the same result. But I like to think that the purpose of the comic side is like keeping you from getting pregnant. Yeah. But that raw connection gotta mean some. That meet the meeting. You're romanticizing things. I am because I've never had it.

SPEAKER_04 35:13

I never know about it. Yeah, for those two people.

SPEAKER_08 35:18

But I also see and I hang around a lot of females and men, and you know, they've always made it seem like once that skin skin hit, I just seen on either party, that's when things change. It gets deeper, bro. It gets deeper.

SPEAKER_04 35:35

Babies get mad. These rom-con watching. Bro, there's not romantic raw dog warriors who go crazy.

SPEAKER_08 35:44

The raw dog.

SPEAKER_04 35:46

Raw Dog Warriors is nuts. That's the title of this episode. Raw Dog Warriors.

SPEAKER_07 35:54

These are for the raw dog.

SPEAKER_06 35:56

The wrong dog warriors that go crazy. No, we're not gonna end this episode that. But like, no. Yeah, you you wow for that. You wow for that take. You are a very 1970s with the. I'm not 1970s because I weren't born then. Perfect.

SPEAKER_05 36:08

Yeah, no, no, the the energy. You, you, you, you uh I did grow up on these things, but we also had that Al Green type of time, that Marie Gay type of time. You want to sing.

SPEAKER_04 36:17

No, baby, that's what's wrong. People need to get back on the type of time.

SPEAKER_05 36:20

Yeah, you think you know raw sex means something. I mean, that's cool.

SPEAKER_08 36:23

I mean, I bought coo I bought cooties, and it don't get no raw than that. I wish the motherfucker would be nice. It's a ran ram. I'm out. You might as well, this is done. So maybe, I don't know. Maybe I'm just whatever.

SPEAKER_06 36:41

Yeah, you're nuts, yo. Whatever. You're nuts. Whatever. You're nuts.

SPEAKER_05 36:45

Whatever.

SPEAKER_04 36:45

You're absolutely nuts. Whatever, doc. Whatever.

SPEAKER_05 36:49

But with that being said, that kind of segues to this topic right here. Because it's another thing that I've been thinking about. It's the phrase lustful losers. Now, I've been seeing this on the the IG. There's some uh prom not prominent, but like, you know, some become prominent. Some known public figures that are females who be like, oh, I'm so sick of these lustful losers. All these men are just controlled by lust, lust, lust, lust, lust has been becoming the latest buzzword. Well, based on how you say it. On the internet.

SPEAKER_08 37:23

I know what uh huh? I said based on how you're saying it, I know what hue this is coming from. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_05 37:29

Oh no. Okay.

SPEAKER_06 37:32

Because I don't even see us saying lustful losers.

SPEAKER_05 37:34

Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Because what I'm saying is this, man. It's lust has nothing. I think they're using the wrong word lust. Because without lust, none of us would none of us would exist. None of us. I feel like it's the I feel like it's desire, and it's the undisciplined desire versus the intentional desire.

SPEAKER_08 37:58

Okay, okay. I feel like it's more that. You might be on you might be on song with that again.

SPEAKER_05 38:02

You feel what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_08 38:03

Say that again now?

SPEAKER_05 38:03

Now, what I'm saying is this it's not lust. I feel like we're confusing lust with undisciplined desire versus intentional.

SPEAKER_08 38:14

Intentional. I like that. Desire. I like that actually.

SPEAKER_05 38:16

See, like, because there's some men out there who do walk around with undisciplined.

SPEAKER_08 38:22

Yeah, exactly. Like it's it has nowhere to go.

SPEAKER_05 38:24

It's just like they have no vision, nothing, no ambition.

SPEAKER_08 38:27

They don't have a type, they just desire, no process.

SPEAKER_05 38:30

Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's there's no, there's they're sliding in DMs just to see who responds and who will give up the cooch. But there are also people out there who are moving with intentional desire. Yeah. They look at you like, yes, you are a very attractive person. I would love to connect in that form, but however, there is a vision, there's a program.

SPEAKER_08 38:52

I'm with you on that, bro, because I I'm on that. There's there's there's real. There's like it's a program. Rules and guidelines. Yeah. And you you even special than I'm even starting. Because I, you know, that's right. But lust with losers is crazy. You can't even have friendships because it's gonna sound crazy. You can't have friendships. I mean, it ain't really lust, but yeah. Um, we all have an attraction, like lust comes from attraction. You you have to be attracted to the people in your life in some way, shape, or form.

SPEAKER_05 39:21

Because, yeah, like again.

SPEAKER_08 39:22

Lust lust with losers is crazy as hell.

SPEAKER_05 39:25

Again, overexposed, undisciplined, lust is a problem. Yeah, that's some nasty ones, though. Exactly. Men and women. Yeah. Yeah, these are people with no discipline, no purpose.

SPEAKER_08 39:37

They don't even have an age range.

SPEAKER_05 39:39

Exactly. They're just chasing it, but they're not building anything.

SPEAKER_08 39:42

They're just doing it for empty attention, for the likes and so do you feel like that lust is being like uh uh attached to every single person?

SPEAKER_05 39:51

Every single dude. Every because if to all the uh the the the heterosexual women out there, whenever a man is just giving them the time of day, talking to them, their automatically brain is going, oh, he wants to crack. Yeah. That's the first thing that pops in your head.

SPEAKER_07 40:06

That's what was.

SPEAKER_05 40:07

That's crazy work. Who's really driven by lust?

SPEAKER_08 40:10

Well, no one's ever said that when they're gonna be a big thing. Who's really lustful base? But why do women feel like that? So an unsolicitated.

SPEAKER_05 40:16

But a man ain't gonna say nothing. But a man ain't gonna say nothing. No, no, no. This is a dude that's just coming up and talking to you just to say, hey, how you like a human and you type of time.

SPEAKER_08 40:23

So, how do women um discern the difference? Because most dudes do start off kind of the same way, but then you give them a conversation. What I'm saying for my heterosexual homegirls. Now, these are the conversations I've had I've had with them for real. Or what I've heard them talk about, just say. They have a conversation, everything seems cool, and then next thing you know, they send in pics. They uh on some joint, like, not even asking for a first aid. Like, you should just come to the crib and like, so like how do they tell the difference?

SPEAKER_05 40:56

No, okay. That is a good idea. A lot of y'all start off the same. That's a conversation too. Well, I can only tell you from a dude, a man's perspective about what's going on here.

SPEAKER_08 41:05

Or how they can tell the difference.

SPEAKER_05 41:06

How I'm seeing it as time is your best friend. If you give things a little bit of time, let let let time reveal the intentions. Okay? If you give a time late, if you introduce the whole concept, like, hey, this is gonna be some time before any of that happens, then that will kind of show you who they are. That I'll be able to do that.

SPEAKER_08 41:27

Show you who they are. You know what though, I do like that. Ladies, I like that because I like that. I like that. It is up to the woman to kind of control the narrative on the street.

SPEAKER_05 41:40

For the most part, because you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 41:41

On that. It is important, you know what I'm saying? Like, if you allow that behavior, like he's saying it instead of you being like, oh, that's out, you laugh and be like, ah, but that's not happening. You do encourage.

SPEAKER_05 41:53

And so with that being said. Or if you see something you like, like Yeah, because like again, on the flip side of that, you know what I mean? It's just like, you know, um, it's like, okay, what kind of desire is acceptable to you? Because it all it all differs in.

SPEAKER_08 42:10

It does.

SPEAKER_05 42:10

Everybody has different desires. Everyone has different desires. You know what I mean? Like, you can have cheap desires or you can have selective desires. If you want to be a recipient of cheap desires, that means, you know what I mean, the likes on the page. You say you post a page and you get a ton of likes. That's cheap desire. Or, you know, someone's like, you know, you know, uh on your body, you know what I mean, trying to get you a go to with like, you know, let me take you out to this little fancy restaurant. I got this car right here. I'm, you know, I mean, I'm I I know this dude and that dude. I'm connected. That status chasing thing, that's cheap. When you when you chase statuses, that's cheap. You're gonna get cheap desires. You're gonna attract the cheapness if that's your if that's your intention. If you want someone who has a selective desire, a man who has standards, who feels intentional, that feels that your like that your desire is earned, not just cheaply given, you gotta make up your mind that that's what I want.

SPEAKER_08 43:01

See, the word desire ultimately means to like feel wanted. Right? Like to feel listen, let's look it up. Because that you know, could you wanted something with this? I think we actually gonna have to revisit this one. Because you this is a good one. So a strong feeling or longing for someone or something, often motivating an action to attain or possess it.

SPEAKER_05 43:31

Obtain. Let's just focus on the word obtained.

SPEAKER_08 43:34

That's what I'm saying. That's crazy. A yearning, a craving, appetite, wish. It's kinda crazy. It's kinda crazy. But it's a few. But women love feeling, yeah, but women love feeling desire. They do, yeah. That's what I'm saying. It's often desire. Consuming, emotional, or romantic, such as a burning desire. Like I I you know, I I have been in relationships with Women love desire. I've had women tell me like they don't care about it. Men love less, women love desire.

SPEAKER_05 43:57

I think it depends on where you stand.

SPEAKER_08 43:59

But No, no, no, you're right, but that's a good one, bro.

SPEAKER_05 44:04

Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_08 44:04

That's a good one.

SPEAKER_05 44:05

So, fellas, man, it's not like they don't want the lust, man. They just want that lust to mean something.

SPEAKER_08 44:10

Yeah, to turn into desire, at least. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_05 44:14

But don't be a loser. Don't be a loser about it, dawg. Don't let that be the only thing. Don't let, you know, just because she's fine and she got some nice body parts.

SPEAKER_08 44:22

Have some standards for yourself.

SPEAKER_05 44:23

Have some standards for yourself, young cane.

SPEAKER_08 44:26

It's okay to make her work for it too.

SPEAKER_05 44:28

I do want to go back to that Stefan Diggs old conversation. And I want to talk about Ray J nasty self.

SPEAKER_08 44:34

Alright, give us a music break. But we're gonna do a little music break. And then we're gonna end it with these.

SPEAKER_06 44:39

Because I like these two. We're gonna come right back.

SPEAKER_05 44:44

Already cracked.

SPEAKER_07 44:45

No more saying.

SPEAKER_05 44:47

Ray July. Little nasty self, boy. Lustful loser. That's a lustful loser right there. That dude is a loser.

SPEAKER_08 44:56

Well, you hold one tonight. I ain't gonna hold the biggest.

SPEAKER_05 44:59

I'm trying to tell you. You cooking. Come on, dog. We're playing. We're playing with us, Mancer Back Podcast. We'll be right back. We'll be right back.

SPEAKER_02 46:14

My favourite out of me is a little upper.

SPEAKER_06 47:31

You don't want zero problems, big fella.

SPEAKER_03 47:37

Yep.

SPEAKER_11 47:40

If mama label trying to stop me, it's gonna be some dread niggas in the bigger. It's gonna be some dreadful niggas.

SPEAKER_05 49:13

Alright. Okay. Gotta do it, man. So man, I hate Ray J, man. Every time I just see him on anything, I just cringe. So for those who don't know, I don't know I don't I forgot which platform he was on. I think it was on Canada News Funky Fridays. Uh-huh. Yeah. So he and his goofy self. I don't know what he got going on now. Say that he has uh over 12,000 bodies on him. I seen that. I don't believe it, but I kind of believe it too. I don't think it's that high.

SPEAKER_08 49:56

I don't think it's that high, but he definitely knows.

SPEAKER_05 49:58

I think he's being a little bit facetious, but that is a problem.

SPEAKER_08 50:00

Well, I mean, you gotta think about it. He's been going. One wish came out in what year, bro. I think it was like 2006. He's been going since then. Yeah. With the tourist, he's been with B2K, Bow Wow, I mean City of the City. I know one person I told you for real. He came to South Carolina. And I know some people, some women, he buzzed down.

SPEAKER_03 50:25

Okay.

SPEAKER_08 50:26

And that don't do. They only claim the famous and say they did that.

SPEAKER_05 50:31

I'm just saying. So, like, it's plausible, but I'm just like, that is a problem. That is a play. And the problem is the lack of holding him accountable for such a disgusting decision. Because here we are, cash, like a lot, I see a lot of, you know, particularly black men, you know what I mean, chastising, you know, Meg the Stalin for her dating history, whatever the case may be. And but the same energy ain't the same for a dude who cracked over 12,000 coaches.

SPEAKER_01 50:56

That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_05 50:57

That's nuts to me. I want to be one of the the the forefront people to hold this man accountable, saying that, dude, that is you need therapy. That's why you're very intense therapy. Because something has something happened to you, to that dude. Yep. Like people who are usually like, you know, unfortunately, who are sexually assaulted at a young age, they have two adverse reactions to it. Either you really hate and despise the act of sex or you're just you leaning all the way into it and then more. Yep. There's two adverse reactions to it. That is it. You're absolutely correct, though. So I'm just like, you know what I mean? So I'm just like, just seeing that is crazy as hell.

SPEAKER_08 51:35

I mean, and and and the way that he speaks about it, even when he uh So nonchalantly, by the way. In the interview, he even brings up about how uh with uh Kim Kardashian tape saying that there's more than one. Like Chris Records. I believe that. Chris recorded, I do believe that, but it's like even that. They were kids.

SPEAKER_03 51:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 51:54

And Chris, I mean, they were, come on, they were young. Not kids, but they were young, bro. Like they they were babies. Absolutely. And I do think he gets held accountable. It's just that he's so used to his family. Like Brandy and all them, like not speaking out no more, that he don't even care. Like he literally pulled up on Brandy at the Bondica and Brandy tour to apologize for him when he was all online and just being, you know, acting like he ain't had no help from his family. Oh, I need someone pick me up, a mentor. I didn't get to, you know, a lot of his behavior though. Even him with the like uh when Cam asked him about being gay, even his response to that was like, I don't know. Ray J is giving me Orlando Brown right now.

SPEAKER_05 52:38

Yeah, and it's sad that that can maybe he's just saying these things to kinda like garnish his attention or whatever. He has to be. Because if this is a realistic, legitimate claim, this is like more than Wolf Chamberlain. I mean, bro, 12, come on. 12,000, come on.

SPEAKER_08 52:54

And maybe he's trying to tell us he got that ooh we're thousand? Yeah. No. No. I don't know, but you see, though, even time he's gonna lie, bro, he got a bunch of women around him. I mean, they giving it up. No, no, no, no, they're not giving it up.

SPEAKER_05 53:10

Like, again, to have to have the accessibility to the to to said, you know, yeah, I've been papa since 2006. I I'm Brandy's little brother. I got all this stuff, you know, going on for me. I've been single for the majority of this time. Doesn't mean you need to indulge in extreme cases of lust.

SPEAKER_08 53:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 53:31

This is what the lustful loser phrase is coming out of. And this is what I'm thinking that this is what type of time that Ray J has.

SPEAKER_08 53:38

Especially after messing with, you know, Whitney Hughes. I don't care what time frame it was. You had relations with Whitney Hughes and Nippy. She's still one of the greats. And then just I don't know. I I do agree you should be more picky. You would think he has more uh standard. I don't know, it's it's scary. Oh, it's definitely scary. That's scary. Yeah, I mean he's still going. He's still going. He's still going. Then we got Blueface on the same.

SPEAKER_05 54:06

Oh, now the conversation. That said that he was on there the same yo. Again, just circling back to our crack and roll uh conversation.

SPEAKER_08 54:20

Okay, it all goes back, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 54:21

Okay, he said, hey, we do this, you you know what I mean, something happened. That's all you. You ain't got my permission. And I think, no. I think I know exactly what you're talking about. That's valid.

SPEAKER_06 54:38

Yeah. I wholeheartedly believe that is valid. I just think that's a narcissism that I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_08 54:44

What do you mean? Because how do you say that? But then if you feel like that, wrap it up. Okay. True, true, true. Like, why give a disclaimer when you're not saying that?

SPEAKER_06 54:56

But this is where I'm saying, man, this is a mutual decision.

SPEAKER_08 54:58

Like it's a mutual decision. Like if she decides twisted on the other side after he says that. If she decides you want to crack without a rubber on the case, if she decides to still do that, then at least she needs to say, okay, I'ma let you crack, but one, have no SCDs, first of all. One. Secondly, you must be getting the plan B or plan for it. Yes. Period. Period. Like I'm fine with that conversation.

SPEAKER_05 55:22

That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_08 55:23

I'm fine with the bigger.

SPEAKER_05 55:24

Let the conversation happen.

SPEAKER_08 55:25

It's a two-sided stream. It's a mutual decision. If she don't say nothing after he says that and gets pregnant, and he don't want nothing to do with the baby. Huh? Huh?

SPEAKER_05 55:36

Can't even be mad at him. Can't even be mad at it. Cannot even be mad at her.

SPEAKER_08 55:41

And I get that part. Like, honestly, I do get that part. But you know, I'm not even a butt. I get that part. If a man says a woman continues, that's just what it is on that.

SPEAKER_06 55:49

Because yes, the whole oh, it takes two people to make a baby true. If we just address that.

SPEAKER_05 55:55

But it takes one to carry the baby and birth the baby.

SPEAKER_08 55:59

But that's why you can't be mad. Like I will say that if she does have the baby one after saying that, now that's a two-sided street. She can't be coming at his neck, talking about, oh, you about to do this. No, you're not. He told you.

SPEAKER_06 56:09

He told you.

SPEAKER_08 56:09

You know what I'm saying? And if she decides to keep the baby from him, he can't be like, I want to see my baby. Yeah? No, you didn't want this baby. You didn't want the baby.

SPEAKER_05 56:18

So that's a crazy street. I mean, it's a crazy street, but.

SPEAKER_08 56:21

That's a crazy street, but it's a real one.

SPEAKER_05 56:22

We have to learn how to see you talk about how we could fix this. Let's start by making things more black and white.

SPEAKER_08 56:26

I agree with that.

SPEAKER_05 56:28

Let's start with making things more black and white to begin with.

SPEAKER_08 56:30

I'm actually okay with that conversation.

SPEAKER_05 56:32

Then let's have conversations before the cracking of the raw. Yes, I agree with this. Before we become raw dog warriors, I agree. Let's be casual conversationalists.

SPEAKER_08 56:41

Casual conversational warriors. Okay? Right. Let's be agreement, in agreement. Let's be able to do that. But you know what though? That is some that's some real. If y'all decide to go raw, it needs to be a discussion. Because that's fine. Do what you do, baby. But y'all need to be on the same page. Since you know he don't want no baby, and you probably ain't trying to pay for um any of it, lady. You may you need to make sure he got that. Make sure he got it. And honestly, take that money up front. The plan B is still the same amount, and abortions are too. I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_05 57:12

Okay. That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_08 57:14

Oh, yeah. And you know, abortion, and let me say, let me say, um, I know that's like a sensitive subject, but it shouldn't be. It is what it is. It is what it is. But talk about Stefan Diggs. What's going on with him?

SPEAKER_05 57:30

Okay. So, and this is on the flip side to things. So, Stefan Diggs was being sued by the chef of the BBL again, right flag. I hate that you keep saying that. She sued him for mispayments and strangulation.

SPEAKER_08 57:45

Yeah, she said he pulled his hands on her.

SPEAKER_05 57:47

I remember that. Uh the court verdicts today proved that he was not guilty.

SPEAKER_08 57:53

Yeah, because she was in the kitchen dancing.

SPEAKER_05 57:54

In the kitchen dancing. Um, on the stand, she was just getting fried up and sauteed and baked and just flat out cooked. Didn't have a strong case to begin with. But this was this was an attempt to get the bag. You know what I'm saying? And and and it failed. And I feel like, and this is a crazy thing, because again, I'm not saying Stephon Diggs is no angel or anything. Let's but like, but let's keep it a buck, let's keep it fair, you know what I'm saying? Like, we need to hold these women accountable, but like, okay, since you are this bad boy NFL player that I know that's an NFL player, that I've seen NFL games, been at NFL games, due to her own testimony, but she don't know what he does for a living. Crazy. Crazy.

unknown 58:41

What?

SPEAKER_05 58:42

Yes. That's why she lost. That's why they're not guilty happy.

SPEAKER_08 58:48

Chef with a BBL.

SPEAKER_06 58:51

Because why would she even do that? And then she was serving this dude dried up hot dogs. Oh girl.

SPEAKER_08 58:57

That might have been why he tried to strangle you. I was just playing. But no, honestly though, all drugs aside, I do I feel you on that. A lot of uh people crying woof.

SPEAKER_03 59:07

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_08 59:08

That's that's messed up. Like, how you gonna say that man strangled you out and then still show up to work and be dancing in the kitchen? How you gonna say you don't know what he do, but you bragging on your pages that you cooking for an NFL star, you know what I'm saying? She tried to get the bag.

SPEAKER_05 59:24

She's trying to get the bag.

SPEAKER_08 59:25

She thought she was gonna get the bag because he had all this bad press back to back to back. Right. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 59:29

And that's what I'm saying, that we need to hold this kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_06 59:32

She should definitely go to jail for like a smooth 90 days. 90 days. 90 days. 90 days. And community service. And yep, yep, yep, and community service.

SPEAKER_05 59:42

90 days is crazy. 30. 30, 30, 90 days is nuts.

SPEAKER_08 59:45

90 days is nuts. 30 days. 30 days for sets. But honestly, though, we're saying 90 days is nuts. Let's think about this. On the flip side, had he not been able to prove any of this, he would have gone down for a way, you know, he would have lost his whole career. He could have lost his whole career over there. So, 30 days, though. You know what I mean? Just so like, don't be trying to secure the bag off a black man. Go after a Elon Musk. He got the bag. He might just pay you because he can't afford to even come and deal with it. I'm just saying, we should pick our battles wisely. I agree with that. I agree with that. It's a lot of crazy stuff going on, though.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:20

No, just true story. True story. Um, but yeah, man, uh, thoughts and prayers to the chef with the BBL, man. Don't hire chefs with the BBL.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:30

I know you were about to say that.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:32

You so sure they should get you a chef with Big Mama arms. Yeah, man. I'm talking rolls. Like arms are like.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:39

I don't think that's fair, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:00:41

Busted biscuits.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:42

I know women with BBLs who are gonna cook for you, get their check, and uh accusion they.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:47

Oh man, the BBLs, man, they're dangerous. They're gonna cook for you, right? And then they got the BBL walking in front of you with a kitchen and you got food in the street. They say BBL stink. I mean, I haven't cracked no life with a BBL, so I don't know that for sure. Moving on.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:09

Oh man, what a great episode, man. You know what I'm saying? Let's go. Yeah, well, thank you for joining us for another episode of the MAC podcast.

SPEAKER_08 1:01:21

Oh my god, that's so funny, dog.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:25

Underly.

SPEAKER_08 1:01:28

Oh, man. Hey, man, you know what, though? Once again, shout out to all y'all tuning in, listening. Oh, yes, man. Shout out to my guys.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:34

Shout out to everybody out there listening. Please, hey, if you like this episode, by all means, share this episode.

SPEAKER_08 1:01:40

Yeah, and like tell us out loud, I bet you won't.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:42

And you know what I mean? Tell us about it, tell me about it. If there's any of my toxic traits that you've heard at the beginning of the show that you would like to talk to me about and address it.

SPEAKER_08 1:01:50

I want to give you shout outs on that, bro. Like, you do really good on that. Like, I know you really well, and honestly, that was really nah. That's that's dope, bro.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:56

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Please, please tap in. You got that big dog? Any of these points. I welcome conversation because I, despite my whole standoffist reputation, am quite the man of the people.

SPEAKER_08 1:02:08

I bet you won't tag Sage on this, Mog.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:10

I will tag Sage. What?

SPEAKER_08 1:02:12

I want Sage on him.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:13

Shout out to Sage, my good friend. I hope one of these days you'll be on this path. I love her. But girl, you make terrible decisions, man. You need to reflect.

SPEAKER_08 1:02:23

She made one dick terrible.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:25

One?

SPEAKER_08 1:02:26

Moving right along. Uh, he really messy. He told you he's a hot man. He should have said I'm messy, hot. Okay. He's hot. You know how they got hot and rigged. This nigga, he's hot and messy.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:42

You the most oh my god. Oh, man. Thank you for joining us on another episode of the Mac Podcast. You know what I'm saying? This is music, art, and culture. This is Mike attitude and knowledge. This is masters acquiring knowledge. This is making audio classics. Let's get it. All right, man. Thank you for joining another episode of it, man. Hope you enjoy listening as much as we enjoy talking to y'all. Please keep us in your thoughts and your prayers. I guarantee that you are in ours. And a word to the wise, man. Don't let the wins be the relief and the losses be the tragedy. What is simple, what is easy, are rarely the same. And the wise man can play the fool, but a fool can never play the wise man. And last but not least, no amount of money in the world can ever buy you a second of time. So spend yours wisely. We'll be right back at it next week. Same time, same place. Shout out to K D H A L P R K to 94.7 FM. Shout out to Rude Music Entertainment, Always and Forever. And again, we are at this thing, man. What song, man? You know what song I wanna hang out with? Great. Hold up, man. Hold up. Hold up, dog. Because I all I wanna do is just hang out with him. Okay. That's all I wanna do. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:04:02

He wanna hang with a baby. She wanna hang with a baby. He wanna hang with a baby. She wanna hang with a baby. He wanna hang with a babies. He wanna hang with a baby. Baby, let's chill and get fry. He fooling me, I'ma vibe. Just got my heart done looking fine. The 32 inches is blind. He asked it, can he get some time? No. I'm a young turn, bitch, on my prime. You know what that means on my side. Won't settle till I'm 45. Hold on, hey. He wanna hang with a babies, he wanna hang with a baby. He wanna hang with a babies, he wanna hang with a baby.

SPEAKER_08 1:04:39

Won't finish till I'm 45. Jeez. You finna give me that menopause. Now you met a pair of menopause.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:50

Oh man, we all feel like I'm trying to smash on this baby. She wanna hang with a savage. Skinny as hell with a fatty. Get right behind it and tag it. Hey, yeah. Three leggings, she heard that I'm packing. All of my bitches, the bad is Ayy, yeah. She tryna get put through the mattress, tryna get put through the mattress. She pretty as hell and she nasty. She freaky as hell but at classy. Ridin' that dick with no traction. She stuck to the kid like a magnet. From the back, fuck up her lashes. Got a hood, bitch, she'll do your taxes. These nigga hoes need a maxi. Got a block on the press, ain't no lagin.

SPEAKER_09 1:05:28

He wanna hang with a baby, she wanna act with a baby.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:31

Take me too.

SPEAKER_09 1:05:32

He wanna hang with a baby, she wanna hang with a baby. Take me too. He wanna hang with a baby, she wanna hang with a baby. Take me too. He wanna act with a baby, she wanna hang with a baby. He wanna act with a baby. G all on my dick, cause I'm sad. Like what she find for the glasses. I know you see all this motion, I'm head on. He cool, I ain't gon' lie. When we link up, we have some time. Put on that shit for we make it fly. Big sixy blood, you know how I ride. He know how I roll, conceited as fuck. I get all the hoes. I change up my niggas like I change my clothes. The hood bitches winning, I'm up in the skull. He wanna hang with the babies, he wanna hang with the babies. He wanna hang with the babies, he wanna hang with the babies. Hey yeah. He wanna hang with the babies, he wanna hang with the babies. Hey yeah. He wanna hang with a babies, he wanna hang with a baby. Hey yeah. He wanna hang with the babies, he wanna hang with the babies. Hey yeah. He wanna hang with the babies, he wanna hang with the babies. Hey yeah. He wanna hang with the babies, he wanna hang with the babies. He wanna hang with a babies.