The Incel Pipeline & Cult Mentality

Asaad & Kemistree confront incel culture, toxic masculinity, and the growing normalization of misogyny online. The two challenge harmful ideologies, ask what’s really causing this shift in men, and discuss how healing, accountability, and rejection all play a role.

Later, after discussing Hulu’s The Cult of Natureboy, the conversation expands into cult psychology, manipulation, and one bigger question: Is modern American society a cult itself?

Transcript

SPEAKER_13 0:00

Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike. Like I said, like I said, more maturity, more peace. I got my back end kicked a few times from the last episode.

SPEAKER_14 0:12

Oh, yeah, me too.

SPEAKER_13 0:12

I'm gonna be cool this episode. It's gonna be a nice mellow episode, you guys. Very mellow, very chill, very mature. I feel like we're human. Very mature, maligno. I know I can't be perfect all the time, you know? That's what I'm saying. If perfect, would it be worth it? They're all like, man, whatever your kids are gonna listen to this. Man, they it's gonna be like 16 years from now. Ain't no telling.

SPEAKER_14 0:32

They probably kick your back end in too, but you know, as long as you stand on your business.

SPEAKER_13 0:36

I'll stand, I'll forever stand on my business.

SPEAKER_14 0:37

As long as you stand on it and know that, you know, that was then and this is now.

SPEAKER_13 0:41

Yeah, you know, it's me at the end.

SPEAKER_14 0:42

That was last week, and now this is this week.

SPEAKER_11 0:48

Growth.

SPEAKER_13 0:49

What's up?

SPEAKER_11 0:50

Growth.

SPEAKER_13 0:50

I'm feeling it.

SPEAKER_11 0:53

Well, we don't, how we coming in?

SPEAKER_13 0:54

This is where we at right now, man. Let's go, let's go, let's get it. Yes, sir. You already know what it is. The Mac Podcast, baby. Let's go. I'm just playing. I'm just playing. Let's go. It's your favorite podcast, favorite podcast.

SPEAKER_15 2:30

Favorite podcast. And I'll be yelling out gang bang.

SPEAKER_10 2:34

Do you gang bang? I be outside with my gang bang. Chunk your gang size if you gang back. I be outside with my ganger from the deuce, do the boat. The bigster eight the nine up from the deuce, do the foe. The bigster eight the nine up from the deuce, do the foe. The bigster eight the nine up from the deuce, do the foe. The big sweet. With my close friends. Bitch, I ain't no kid, I'm a grown man. And I don't need your cash, got my own bands. But they call me Mr. Breaker Bitch in Japan, and I'm with gang gang. Yeah, gang gang. Big dog shit, dog tag, let them chains hang. Nope, bitch. I hope this ain't your main thing. Can I be sliding around with them bananas like a meringue thing? Can I be sliding around with that dick like a stud dude? And if it's up, then it's stuck, nigga. Fuck you. Bitch I'm from the dudes, bitch, I'm from the phone. Enterprise park somewhere, you can't go. That's a roy. That's some roy. I'ma go nuts, go, nuts, like I'm enjoying. Bitch, I'm from the deuce. Bitch, I'm from the phone. Enterprise park somewhere. You gotta be yelling out gangbang. Do you gang bang? I be outside with my gang. Chuck your gang size if you gang bang. I'll be outside with my gang up from the deuce.

SPEAKER_13 3:50

I'm gonna play that thing later on, man. Later, I'm gonna later on later on, later on. Let's get to it, man. Welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome to another episode of the man of public, baby, baby, baby, baby, baby. You know who it is, man. Some of you host somebody I'm gonna see. I'm gonna sell it with the big stumble big K big trees in the building. Let's go. Most of them y'all here in the building with the Let's Good. Let's go, man. Ah man. Lady guys, I don't know why I say this every episode when people don't really uh pay attention to it. But the thoughts, views, and opinions as heard on this podcast are for entertainment purposes only. Entertaining. Are you not entertained? Is the question. Um brought to you by, sponsored by, fueled by, empowered by Brood Music Entertainment. In partnership with KAA H A L P Arcata 94.7 FM Community for a radio broadcaster from the heart of the district and Arcata. The creamery district. That's how she wants to add on to it. All right. That's what it's called. Yeah, all right.

SPEAKER_14 5:04

Creamery. Okay, man. You don't make no ice cream down here though. Not not a one.

SPEAKER_11 5:09

Not a one. Only in humble. Only in humboat. All right, man. We're gonna we'll we'll be.

SPEAKER_14 5:16

First of all, um, happy mother's day, because this is right after Mother's Day. Shout out to all the mothers out there in the world. Shout out to factual. You know. Other than that, you know, man, how you feeling?

SPEAKER_13 5:28

Like I said earlier, man, I'm more calm right now. I'm very, I'm very in a relaxed mood, you know. Like I want to uh bring forth an episode where I can highlight that just a little bit, right? You know what I mean? No, you know, just why not? Why not? There are plenty of episodes, by the way. And if you're listening to this episode right here, right now, stop and go back to the first episode. Because it makes no sense for you to just jump in and make judgments. Because who are y'all to judge? People don't ask themselves that question enough for me. Who am I to judge?

SPEAKER_14 6:02

I think people have been taught to judge. I don't even know how that's. But who are you to judge? You know, who wants to be judged?

SPEAKER_13 6:09

Who wants to be judged? Who are you to judge? Why judge you back? All right, factual. Um, but hey, you know, everyone's got their way to go about things, man. But I want to make sure that the people here that are listening, shout out to all the listeners. Yeah, try it, y'all. All the ye old faithful ones who be having a problem with me, but be loving the hell out of the chemistry, though.

SPEAKER_14 6:31

They love me. I mean, I'm great. Also, though, but you know, don't get twisted though. I I definitely get feedback on stuff. Um, you definitely are the problem child. Hey. But um, like that last episode, because I'm usually positive pimping. And well, that last episode, some folks felt some type of way, but it's okay, because I'm human and I have feelings. It's not always gonna be positive pimping.

SPEAKER_13 6:55

Yeah, and that's okay. At T H A M A K podcast, if there's anything that you would like to say to me directly, at T H A M A K, P-O-D, C-A-S-T, hit them DMs. Let's have a conversation. For real. Like, for real.

SPEAKER_14 7:13

Yeah, I you know, we would love that. And if you want to come, even if you want to come up on this mug and have a like verbal face-to-face talk about it. We love that.

SPEAKER_13 7:23

Oh, yeah. Absolutely. I love to have exchange of philosophies. You're not coming over here to argue with me. No, no, no. This is not an argument. But we can debate. We're exchanging philosophies and having debates about the core structure of said philosophies, okay? Now, should we get into it? Yeah, let's get into it. Ain't no longer. Because one point that been brought up in the last podcast is uh the word incels, red pill, uh woman hating. You know, that's that's been the the the narrative and and the the feedback that I got from some of the uh female listeners. Shout out to the show.

SPEAKER_14 8:01

Oh, yeah, you definitely have been a part of the woman hater club.

SPEAKER_13 8:04

Yeah, that's crazy because I'm not a woman hater, not by any uh slightest met uh No, I I know you don't hate women.

SPEAKER_14 8:10

Not by any metrics. I can always say, uh, who hurt you?

SPEAKER_13 8:13

Yeah. No, man, you know what I mean. Just be a thing. You know what? I'm theatrical, man. I try, you know what I mean, I amp it up for the theatrice because I'm a theatrical person. But also, incel is crazy. Incel is crazy. So that prompted me into doing like a little research into the incel mentality is something.

SPEAKER_14 8:32

And there's two types of incels, okay?

SPEAKER_13 8:34

Okay, you you break it down. Well, what are these two types? There's only one type that I know.

SPEAKER_14 8:37

That you know. Remember, I was going a little too deep because the other incels on that whole government to like them sleepers that wake up. Okay. But we're not talking about. And we have to put that out for those who think like that. We are not talking about it.

SPEAKER_11 8:49

Not at all.

SPEAKER_14 8:50

All right. We talked about it.

SPEAKER_13 8:50

We are talking about women-hating clubs. Yeah, yeah, the dudes over here, um, and this woman-hating culture, right? Because they're celibate. And okay. So, but I'm like, the how did this how do we get here? You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_14 9:02

Well, they blame their celibacy on women, right? Huh? These incels blame their celibacy or the reason why they can't get no butt on women on women.

SPEAKER_13 9:11

And that is nuts to me. That's crazy. That's absolutely crazy to me. This podcast does not support incels in the slightest. First of all, or have any incels ideologies in the slightest.

SPEAKER_14 9:23

Okay.

SPEAKER_13 9:24

Okay. So the scene started off with, you know, loneliness, humiliation, repeated rejection, social isolation, comparison, lack of purpose, feeling invisible, sexual frustration, and internet echo chambers. And that's the thing I want to kind of like harp on the most because the internet's been like it's it's like adding more gas to the fire. It's adding more fuel to what's already there. But you really gotta like go back to the whole loneliness, humiliation, the repeated rejection part of it. You know what I mean? So it's just like people or like dudes, men, especially these incel dudes. No, yeah, yeah, yeah. They need to like handle rejection a lot better. They need to not isolate themselves, and they need to stop attaching all their worth to sex and women. That's the problem right there. There's much more to life than that.

SPEAKER_14 10:15

A lot of them probably and and I think it comes from, so I don't know, I'm trying to think of the best way to put this. So, like growing up, you you and somehow you're around your people, your friends, like if somebody you want to get at as a child, you gotta crush on them, your friends kinda push you towards it or like look out for you and make it happen, right? Right. I feel like these type of people who become incels, they they didn't have that, or they had it. I don't know, like to blame women for the reason that you can't get a woman is wild. Open your mouth. And the humiliation part, I promise you, it didn't start with women. It probably started in the house with men.

SPEAKER_13 10:57

Yeah, absolutely. It started with dudes being like, ah, you can't get her each job bagger.

SPEAKER_14 11:02

Ah, she said no, you know what I mean? Yeah. And instead of them like moving forward and continuing doing whatever they're supposed to do, they just held on to that. Because like to be a whole unit of men mad at women together seems kind of G A Y.

SPEAKER_13 11:16

And it's just like, you know what I mean, they and and how they view rejection is it's like, oh, I'm not worthy or I am worthless. And to just like, you know, to chalk it up to like, oh, we don't vibe well, we're incompatible.

SPEAKER_14 11:29

Yeah, they think they special because they got rejected. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_13 11:36

Exactly. Everybody. Exactly. But you know what I mean? It's just like it doesn't justify the misogyny to me. It doesn't. It does, like, there's no justification for like, as a man, why are you hating women? Also, the thing that pops in my head like that is just like it's crazy.

SPEAKER_14 11:55

I mean, it's definitely some mommy issues too there, but also, um, maybe they need to take an extra deep introspective look at themselves because to hate women and then blame women for your celibacy and then link up with a bunch of dudes who feel the same way, I'm telling you, there you you are part of the LGBTQIA You might be, and that's okay.

SPEAKER_13 12:19

That's okay.

SPEAKER_14 12:20

Maybe that's why you ain't been getting no women. Women because you won't mention and it's okay. And we live in a time and age where you can.

SPEAKER_13 12:28

And it's okay if you do. And you can do that. Go ahead and do it. Just don't be on the internet just like bashing. Bashing women and all the time just like So the Internet Echo Chamber? Yeah.

SPEAKER_14 12:41

What is what?

SPEAKER_13 12:42

So pretty much it's like the YouTube um clips, uh the Andrew Tates of the World, the uh, Ben, Ben, Ben Shapiro, Other Worlds, uh, the Nick Fuentes, those guys, you know what I mean? Joe Rogan to a certain extent.

SPEAKER_14 13:00

So like they empower these guys?

SPEAKER_13 13:03

They they pretty much echo what they are the sentiments that they're feeling, like, oh, you know what I mean, like you are nice to these women, they don't get you, you work hard and stuff like that, and like they don't give you what you want, you know what I mean? That's it's their fault. They should be more submissive to you, okay, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Okay. You know what I mean? Trying to trying to do the whole totem pole angle. That is wild. Like you're here to totem pole, and they're there to totem pole, and you are entitled to them because a lot of these incels just suffer from a a sick case of entitlement. Like, yeah, if I'm nice, yeah, women will get to me. No, they won't. No. I mean, being nice is cool if you're actually nice. Women will be nice to be able to be able to be able to do that. But don't be nice just for the sake of trying to get some coochie.

SPEAKER_14 13:47

Get some coochie. Getting some coochie, yeah. That doesn't make sense. That doesn't.

SPEAKER_13 13:51

Do that if that's you. If you are uh like you know, a natural-born a-hole like me.

SPEAKER_14 13:58

I mean, yeah, I installs are crazy. I don't know, bro. That's a crazy, like, dynamic. Like you'll be alright. You know what I mean? Like, it's so many women and different types. Like, go find someone who met you. Your vibe. Like, don't go for that Instagram model or the popular girl in school.

SPEAKER_13 14:17

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Play your field.

SPEAKER_14 14:19

If you know that she's play your field.

SPEAKER_13 14:22

She never even looked at you. Play your field, mind your game. That's not her fault. Play your field, mind your game. Because I'm saying, it's y'all out here, you know what I mean, but like, even in that that aspect. Play her fail, like you said. The whole I'm out of, she's out of my league and stuff like that, so I'm gonna go shoot and just as you jump. Okay. How they be going about it be corny as a mug. It'd be the corniest thing, like how they go about it be so corny. That's why you're not getting there's nobody out of your league.

SPEAKER_14 14:55

I'm just about to say, even not. Out of your league, you already lost the game. That's your fault.

SPEAKER_13 15:03

That's your own fault. You're eliminating the city.

SPEAKER_14 15:05

You already slight yourself a self-out before you even talk to her.

SPEAKER_13 15:08

Okay. You gotta walk around with the just like the the sense of self-awareness and security that you're you. You're you, and you have you have much more grand ambitions in life than than than to get women or get coochie. And surprise, surprise, fellas, women doesn't validate your manhood. Not at all. They don't validate your manhood in the slightest.

SPEAKER_14 15:35

And it goes both ways, you know what I'm saying? But the difference is you don't hear about women incels.

SPEAKER_13 15:40

There's no such thing.

SPEAKER_14 15:41

I'm just gonna leave that there. There's no such thing. And and y'all should take from that though, like, don't forget, you regardless of how you feel about a woman, you you a part of you comes from a woman. So figure it out.

SPEAKER_13 15:56

Get over it. And and sex doesn't equal success. I mean, there's a lot of dudes out here who be getting women, dude, be getting sex, be feeling so empty and lost and confused and don't even know what's going on because they've been overstimulated with what you're seeking of. Like, sex doesn't equal success. That's another thing I need to drop out.

SPEAKER_14 16:20

That's what incels need to do.

SPEAKER_13 16:22

A woman doesn't validate your manhood, and sex does not equal success.

SPEAKER_14 16:25

I think a lot of them though, they just trying to even feel what it feels like. And that's why they so upset. Like they got they got homeboys who who who busting it down. Okay. And they hear it. That's them. That's not you. But they have never experienced. Can you imagine? And then a lot of these incels be like over 17, 20, and they ain't never had no coochie, bro.

SPEAKER_13 16:46

Okay, all right. And you're young. Alright, if you're 17, between 17 and 21, and you're an incel, bro. Bro.

SPEAKER_14 16:55

How you mad at something you never even had? That's all I'm saying. Bro. You ain't missing out until you know what you're missing out on, for real though. Go write a thesis. Or go. Listen. Do some research. There are sex workers out here who literally, hey, hey, hey, that's a real thing.

SPEAKER_13 17:13

So I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not sure. I'm not disrespecting sex work.

SPEAKER_14 17:19

In sales who feel like they can't even get nothing. They just want to check it out.

SPEAKER_13 17:21

Yeah, but they don't want to.

SPEAKER_14 17:24

You can't create a whole family. They have a very weird mentality towards sex workers. Well, that's crazy because if you can't get it from a work uh a woman who ain't doing sex work, then your best bet is to get it from a woman who literally says, This is my job.

SPEAKER_13 17:37

I mean, the math is mathing. You feel me? The math is mathing.

SPEAKER_14 17:40

Because now you're just mad. That's why y'all dumb. And that's why I don't know. I'm telling you, it's stupid.

SPEAKER_13 17:45

It is dumb. Um, but it's just like it kind of goes to like a deeper thing than that because speaking as a man, like, you know, we're we're promised things in life. We were taught things. Well, if you do things, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_08 17:56

I'm listening, I wasn't tripping. I'm listening.

SPEAKER_13 17:58

If you if you do things this way, you would get this. Hey, if you go to school, you get good grades, you work hard, you'll get a girl, you'll get or you go to college, you know what I mean? You'll you either marry a high school sweetheart, your college sweetheart, and after college, you'll get a good job, and after job, you'll get a house, and after the house, you'll get the you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_14 18:17

There's a there's a with the education and the money, you'll get the library.

SPEAKER_13 18:21

But we are seeing in real time that that is not the case. That's not the case. And that is not true. And that's across the board. And so I I don't think, in my mind, you know what I mean, in some in some cases, not all cases, because most of these incels be on some BS. But in some cases, some men aren't angry because women are rejected, uh rejected them. I think they're angry because life didn't match the promise that they were told. I get that. And that's and that's really the the the hang up here.

SPEAKER_14 18:49

But I'll give you that. I mean most dudes. I get that. I get that. But at some point, uh what do you do about that? You become you you just you you sulk and get mad and find the comedian dudes who feel the same, or do you try to feel like that?

SPEAKER_13 19:02

And that leads to the next point of the next point of the conversation. You know what I mean? That's where the internet uh echo chamber comes in. The internet comes to place because it amplifies everything. It's an echo chamber because it amplifies everything. See, back in the day where we're from, right, in the 90s, right? A lonely dude in the 90s, you know what I mean, maybe stayed stayed in the house sad, talked to a couple homies, but they eventually move on. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_14 19:24

They go find their personality. Go outside. They go outside with their hard grass.

SPEAKER_13 19:29

They yep, yep. They go outside and touch grass and start.

SPEAKER_14 19:34

You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_13 19:36

They go outside and touch grass and pursue other things in life because other things in life were accessible. You have other things. They're seeing posts and memes and stuff like that. And they also got the algorithm to feed them this rage content, right? And now their rejection becomes an identity, and now women are becoming the enemy.

SPEAKER_14 20:06

Well, that's on them. They're gonna forever be lonely. They're gonna forever be celibate inside themselves, playing witty.

SPEAKER_13 20:12

Now it's now it's like uh into intellectualized. You know?

SPEAKER_14 20:18

That's something that I'm telling you. That's it.

SPEAKER_13 20:20

That's where you get your high-value men, your, your, your, your, uh, what dudes be like saying cosmos. Oh, yeah. Like female nature, you know, a sexual marketplace for the most part. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_14 20:31

But that's crazy. They want to call it a sexual marketplace, but don't want to go to the one place where they can actually get what everything they want for$40,$50,$60,000. You feel me, depending on where you go. And that's what I'm saying. So it's just like, what, but what we it's nothing that it can be done about it. Like us talking about it, I hope they listen in it. And like, I hope they understand, like, healthies people you listen to, done probably been married, had kids, done did all the things that you ain't even never did, but you following them up. Mm-hmm. That's crazy work.

SPEAKER_13 21:03

And people don't be who they are online.

SPEAKER_14 21:05

Exactly. And being online, you can be anybody you want to be. You can be anybody you want to be.

SPEAKER_13 21:10

Even if you're on a screen, you can be anybody that you want to be.

SPEAKER_14 21:13

If you don't work in real life, then at least online, be the opposite of you then. Yeah. I'm saying use your face because catfish is out. But use your face and be a completely different persona until you find what works for you. You can do that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_13 21:28

Instead, that's why I use the internet for you. We all have. I play around on the internet. I remember the MindSpace days. But I remember the MindSpace days was just me just trolling relentlessly. And the early Facebook days. Oh my god. I'm gonna do a throwback. I miss the early Facebook days. I'm gonna do a throwback posting novels, just talking cash.

SPEAKER_14 21:46

I'ma do a throwback throwback, bro. Black Planet and the chat room. The chat room. Chat room. Yeah, you could be anybody you wanted to be into.

SPEAKER_13 21:55

That's why I never took the internet serious. That's why, like, when people be on me, like, oh, you posted this on social. Social media or you reposted that or you like that, that must mean you it's applicable. Even on this podcast, whatever you say is applicable to you in real life. I'm like, whoa.

SPEAKER_14 22:11

Well, it well, some things are trolling, but you know, behind every great funny, there is a little bit of truth behind it. You know, you might not feel like it wholeheartedly. It's not the whole shit. But it resonates a little bit.

SPEAKER_13 22:23

It's a character uh character.

SPEAKER_14 22:25

But may it be with the younger self. Like, we all go through journey. Like, this life is a journey. So, like, it sails, you know, like like how you even were able to empathize with them just now. You know what I'm saying? As a man, you can empathize where it's coming from for them, especially with the internet being the way it is. But at the same time, it's just like, okay. But at what point, like y'all gotta suck that up.

SPEAKER_13 22:50

Yeah, and it's just like, and it and then another talking point is like, do women understand how rejection feels to men? Like it's male rejection. No, no, no, stay with me now. Stay with me. No, it's different. Stay with me.

SPEAKER_14 23:04

Okay, go ahead.

SPEAKER_13 23:04

I'm gonna stay with you as long as I can. Because again, some men argue that men are expected to initiate constantly, right? We're the we're supposed to be the ones who d take the first steps, say hi, do all the first things, and initiate everything. That's how it was. Still is. Um, but like, I feel like men experience more direct romance rejection than women do.

SPEAKER_14 23:29

Well, it can't be romantic rejection because you don't know them to be romantic. You are trying to meet them.

SPEAKER_13 23:36

True. Um romantic interests. You can have romantic interests in somebody that you don't know.

SPEAKER_14 23:40

Yeah, I mean, we all, like, if we see somebody we want, we all have like a lot of people. I have an interest, like a curious, a curious. But at the same time, um, women and men go through the same thing. Like because men also, I mean, you're one of these men I'm finna talk about. Carry themselves like you are on the same exact level. Like, like, and you, and I believe that we all on the same level, don't get twisted. But like, you not just gonna go at any bad woman, like you, it could be six or seven bad women and walk by. You're not gonna holler at every single one. No. Just because they bad. No. Just because uh even if it's someone you see out and about and you like their flow, you still gonna watch how they move before you hop in. Right? Yeah. That's because you carry yourself to a standard. Yeah. Now, also, once you do put yourself out there and holler, if they reject you, you're not gonna take it to heart. Nah. You're gonna keep it moving. Right? And I think that's what it is because women also ruling. Ruling. Women also go through rejection. Women do though, bro. You be surprised. I mean, I feel like it's a good thing. Watch this, actually. I know I was just about to say, not initial. Okay. Not initial. But once a woman gets into it with a man, and most of these men, I'm not gonna say all y'all, but once y'all get whatever it was she was looking for, once she gives it up, once she kicking it, once she calling you all the time, once she on your job, then once you got her, a lot of men completely change the game up. They be like, well, I got her now, so I can keep it moving like I already had her. Is that rejection or is that that is rejection to a woman who already would have just she could have easily said no from jump. Okay. But she opened up her time and space to you, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_13 25:32

And the dude opened up their time and space to them as well.

SPEAKER_14 25:35

Why not keep it copacetic and keep it mutual?

SPEAKER_13 25:38

I can't speak for those dudes. That's what happened. But like that, that's it. But that's a woman's rejection.

SPEAKER_14 25:43

Okay, all right. Like if you tell her, I'm gonna come kick it with you, and she say, okay, well, I'll be done by three o'clock. And you be like, honestly, I just had this conversation not too long ago with a homegirl. Uh a heterosexual homegirl. Meant once she done opened up to you, be like, oh, this dude was in her inbox trying to get at her and all that, and she just was like, nah, nah, nah. But then finally, she was like, Alright, you know what, bumpy. He seemed like he's a good dude. He working. I know he got kids, but he, you know what I'm saying? He seems like he's good. He's been consistent. She let him in. But this is the type, this is this right here. Now she let him in. He done got a little time shine. And in the beginning, he said he'll be there by 4 o'clock. He there by 4, 4:30.

SPEAKER_21 26:24

Oh, so he's late, that's the former register. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_14 26:27

Let me finish. Let me finish. Let me finish. This is a little thing. This is a little, but this is a little thing. It's a little thing. I'm gonna be late. But it goes, but I mean, I'm gonna be late too. But they go from that too, but he's the type who showed up on time. He has showed her that he can be there at the time he says. Uh uh. All right, now she done gave it up to him, everything there from the city.

SPEAKER_13 26:44

Because he showed up on time.

SPEAKER_14 26:45

She no, no, I'm just using that because it because it goes to something with the time frame. But you'll see what I'm saying. It gets kind of crazy. After after they done kicked, then everything done worked out, though. Now the ball in his court, she hitting them up, seeing when they're gonna kick it, all that stuff. He says I'm gonna meet it, I'm gonna use three o'clock again, just say whatever. He don't get there till six, seven o'clock at night.

SPEAKER_08 27:05

Ooh, what he doing?

SPEAKER_14 27:07

But that's what I'm saying, though. But this becomes an on-fight.

SPEAKER_13 27:10

Was that any communication of a white white?

SPEAKER_14 27:11

It was her communicating, like, dang, what's going on? And he he, if he communicated, it was like, ah, you tripping, I'm coming.

unknown 27:20

Oh.

SPEAKER_13 27:21

Okay, see. But see, no, that's a form of rejection.

SPEAKER_14 27:24

When we're talking about forms of rejection, the way it looks different for men and women.

SPEAKER_13 27:28

I don't think in that instance when it comes to your your homegirl and it's not just her. I don't think no, no, hold on. The example that you just used. That's not her being rejected. That's her being part of a roster.

SPEAKER_14 27:39

No. No? It don't matter. It don't matter about the roster part. It's seen as rejection, though, because you are now not, you are not the person you presented yourself to be, sir.

SPEAKER_13 27:49

So a little deceit is rejection.

SPEAKER_14 27:54

You don't.

SPEAKER_13 27:54

No, no, no, no, no. Just bumper with me.

SPEAKER_14 27:57

Because you're changing up who you are. Why are you thinking deceitful?

SPEAKER_13 28:02

Okay.

SPEAKER_14 28:03

Like I used to time.

SPEAKER_13 28:04

You gotta be mature here. I use the time. I don't want to be making people to slip in my toxic bag so you can.

SPEAKER_14 28:10

I use the time thing, but it could be anything. It could be anything. But once again, y'all, a lot of incels, well, what you said, right? Men get rejection from junk. The minute that y'all try to holler at a woman and she shut it down. Right. Y'all see that as rejection. Right? Instead of whatever, she just shut it down.

SPEAKER_11 28:27

Okay.

SPEAKER_14 28:28

But then once a woman lets you in, and now you in her world and you're not doing the same things you started with, like. It was inconsistent. That's rejection. Because in the beginning, before you got what you wanted, and you she finally said, Yeah, it was cool. You pull it up, I'm gonna be there at three, you there at god dog on 230 for uh uh 301, right? But that's that's something that that that people get used to, bro. I'm just saying this time, like I'm not here to dispute that. I'm not here to dispute that. Believe it or not, I because I don't think that what you're saying is it's a form though of rejection because then it becomes a thing. What's that woman supposed to do with that though? I mean when she called it out, neglecting neglection's more like it. Rejection is uh It's because now you got what you want. Now that you got what you wanted, it's no longer. So now he's becoming neglectful. It's not the neglect. That's still neglect and rejection are in the same category. Let's look it up. Let's see. Let's look. I think they correlate. They definitely okay then. They correlate.

SPEAKER_09 29:32

There's some correlation.

SPEAKER_14 29:33

This is how there are two different things. We are also talking about men and women, how we view how the views of rejection are. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_13 29:40

Like I feel that how women are viewing rejection is indeed neglection. I think it's neglection.

SPEAKER_14 29:46

Why even waste my time if you're not gonna stay consistent?

SPEAKER_13 29:49

Because dudes are lustful losers tied into the last episode, and they just want to bag you just the bag. Because then it makes it okay. I'm just giving you the explanation of why it is. Okay, that's that's that's hey, but that's that's the risk. That's the risk. That's the risk in both sides. I agree. It's the risk. That's what happens. No risk, no reward. I was just pointing out how to do it.

SPEAKER_14 30:15

I'm just pointing out no risk. Because you were saying that we were ready to do it. No reward. And sometimes things don't work. You were pointing out that men get rejected more than women.

SPEAKER_13 30:23

I say again, I think it comes from jump, men do. Okay, let's say. Like a woman, like a woman ain't gonna go to a dude, and a dude be like, ugh, get out of my face.

SPEAKER_14 30:34

That's never gonna happen. Unless she really like, ugh, get out of my face. Oh, yeah, less than. But that's rarely the case. But that's rarely the case. That's rarely the case. I agree with that. All right. So, okay, in that straight, in that form, yeah, I guess. I guess.

SPEAKER_13 30:48

So, with that being said, we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna enlighten these incels real quick, man, because I got some bars right now. All right. Rejection is not a verdict on your worth. I mean, compatibility is a morality. Someone not wanting you does not mean that you're ugly, you're broken, you're doomed, you're unlovable. That means the connection wasn't aligned, bro.

SPEAKER_14 31:11

It's not a person for you, doc.

SPEAKER_13 31:12

The connection wasn't aligned.

SPEAKER_14 31:14

But shout out to you that's a good one.

SPEAKER_13 31:15

And that's the beautiful thing about connections. There's plenty of opportunities to connect. Also, shout out to you, though, for shooting your shot.

SPEAKER_14 31:23

That took a lot. To shooting your shot. Keep shooting because eventually what's gonna happen. Shoot it. You gonna hit.

SPEAKER_13 31:30

Steph don't hit every three.

SPEAKER_14 31:31

Listen, everybody not Steph curved.

SPEAKER_13 31:32

LeBron ain't gonna get every dunk.

SPEAKER_14 31:34

The Special Olympics exists for a reason as well. You might not.

SPEAKER_13 31:37

Tom Brady ain't gonna throw a touchdown every throw.

SPEAKER_14 31:40

All these greats. All these all these we could go down. We could go down.

SPEAKER_13 31:44

But the NCL probably got on that one. Draymond Green. Draymond Green hits a three every once in a while. And you ain't gonna probably, there you go. There you go.

SPEAKER_14 31:50

There you go.

SPEAKER_13 31:51

There you go. But he keeps shooting. He keeps shooting. Yeah. And that's what it's about. That's what it's about, man. Keep shooting. Keep shooting. And another thing is, man, attraction cannot be negotiated, y'all. For real.

SPEAKER_14 32:04

Who the hell tried to negotiate attraction?

SPEAKER_13 32:06

Oh, because, dude, there's a dangerous mindset that they have. That is a dangerous mind. They be like, yo, if I do enough, she should want me. Desire doesn't work like that. It is not customer service. Nobody owes attraction. You might not be able to do that. So those incel dudes, y'all need to stop that. Let that go. Drop that. And what I've been saying from the jump, build an identity outside of women. Okay?

SPEAKER_08 32:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_13 32:31

A lot of incel mentality comes from making women the center of the male identity. Healthy men usually have a purpose. They have friendship. We have hobbies. We have discipline. We have community. We have self-respect. Romance becomes an addition, but it's not the salvation. Yeah, there you go. We have an identity outside of it. We have a purpose outside of it. Find your purpose.

SPEAKER_14 32:52

And y'all should, you know, you should you can take that from women because women, while women do um have men as a part of like their identity, like, oh, I'll make sure I look good and all that stuff. Um, they have their homegirls. They have a community, they have a village. That's what I'm saying. I agree with that. You know what I mean? And not ones who think the same as you, ones who think opposite of you if you were in cell.

SPEAKER_13 33:12

Right. And you guys come into like being so bitter in your loneliness and your your past rejection and your humiliation and stuff like that. If you start viewing women as, you know, manipulative enemies and stuff like that, your whole energy is gonna change, right? Your whole interaction with women is gonna change, and people will feel it. Resentment repels connection, and that defeats the whole purpose of what you're trying to do.

SPEAKER_14 33:35

And that's why. Raid.

SPEAKER_13 33:41

Raid, y'all. Because that's crazy. That's what I'm saying, man. Again, like, you know, and y'all need to heal, man. Like a like, you know what I mean? Y'all instead of then, y'all would feel angry than admit that, yo, I feel unwanted. Exactly. Be vocal with your emotions, bro.

SPEAKER_14 34:00

And you'd be surprised though, because you I'm telling you, instead of going though, after these, uh, if you know that's how you feel, like how you just said, they feel. Why would you go after somebody who only cares about how many followers they have? Followers they have, how many people are doing that? That person don't feel nothing.

SPEAKER_13 34:14

Nothing.

SPEAKER_14 34:15

Right? You want to go after that person who only got maybe 50 to 100. You know what I mean? But they outside, you can have a conversation with them.

SPEAKER_13 34:22

Sweet spot.

SPEAKER_14 34:23

And they can understand where you're coming from.

SPEAKER_13 34:25

Y'all over here trying to get on the baddies, man, thinking a like, like of a picture's gonna do it.

SPEAKER_14 34:29

It's not gonna do it. No. It's not gonna do it. No, you just helping them get paid. Stupid.

SPEAKER_13 34:34

Yep, yep, yep, yep, man.

SPEAKER_14 34:36

Getting paid while you angry.

SPEAKER_13 34:38

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Alright, so let's let's let's wrap this thing up, man. I'm gonna wrap this little segment up, man. You can wrap it up for the incels. For the incels, man. Alright, so let's let's let's let's go over it. I don't got nothing to wrap up for the incels. Let's go real quick. Yeah, do better. Alright. Let's talk about the creation of it. You know what I mean? It goes uh it goes into layers, personally, bullying it, social awkwardness, mommy issues, low confidence, mommy issues, porn addiction, isolation. Yeah, porn addiction is one for real. Uh culturally, they got unrealistic beauty standards, transactional dating culture, status obsession, social media comparisons. Stop that. Comparisons of the thief to joy. Why are you doing that? And yeah, you know, when it comes to technology, you know this here. The dating apps, the algorithm, the echo chambers, the rage content monetization, dudes be irresponsible using their platform to hop on a microphone to bash women in order to attract men to support and donate their vibe. That's crazy work to me. That is absolutely crazy work to me, okay? And now the fact that loneliness is becoming um politicized is nuts. You know what I mean? Some women, uh some men out here don't hate women, they be just over here hate feeling powerless. Women getting women does not equate to having power. That's goofy. Stop that right there. Okay, the internet monetized all this stuff, anyways. So yo, man, like these incels, dog, y'all need to get out of here, man. I'm holding y'all accountable.

SPEAKER_14 36:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_13 36:05

I'm holding y'all accountable.

SPEAKER_14 36:06

Also, just come on out. Come on in the room. Come on out there, close it. Just open it down and step out. I'm telling you, it's gonna be a brand new day.

SPEAKER_13 36:16

I got a question though. How do we help lonely men without validating their hatred?

SPEAKER_14 36:29

That's a good question. Um, for one, loneliness though, is across the board. Like, lonely men should stop thinking they're the only ones lonely and do something about it. Like, at the end of the day, it comes down to self. It is a self-thing, and and I know it sucks because you can be surrounded by people and still be lonely. That is a self-thing, and that is something you do gotta figure out. Find things that make you feel not lonely, or be okay with being alone with yourself, because that's probably why you can't find nobody else. Because you think you're lonely, because it's just you.

SPEAKER_13 37:01

Being lonely is not that hard. It's only it it's healing.

SPEAKER_14 37:06

Lonely should be a fleeting moment. It shouldn't be your identity.

SPEAKER_13 37:08

It shouldn't be the identity.

SPEAKER_14 37:10

Yeah. And if it is your identity, then be okay with being alone with yourself.

SPEAKER_13 37:13

And look, bro, I sympathize with male loneliness, but I'm not endorsing misogyny.

SPEAKER_14 37:18

I mean, I think everybody gets lonely. So, like.

SPEAKER_13 37:20

Everyone gets lonely, dog. So I think you speak. But it doesn't mean that you can be out here being misogynistic.

SPEAKER_14 37:25

And hating the world and blaming the world for your loneliness. Like and like, yeah, make it. There's other people out here just like you. Yeah. Who got the same interests, who into the same things. Go find your community.

SPEAKER_13 37:37

And women rejecting you is not oppression, dawg.

SPEAKER_14 37:39

Go find your community. It's women who feel the same as you, who like the same as you. You just worrying about the wrong type of women.

SPEAKER_13 37:45

Man, find some therapy, man. Also that. BetterHelp. Apparently, you can go on better help.

SPEAKER_14 37:53

Check out betterhelp.com. BetterHelp. They not endorse us, but y'all can. I will promote it. Shoot.

SPEAKER_13 37:58

You feel me? Or you can hit us. I will be glad. Or y'all can hit us to be your own.

SPEAKER_14 38:07

I was about to say, hop into my podcast. Hop into my DMs. I got you. You know what I'm saying? I won't tell nobody. I used to do the ghetto round table couch therapy in South Carolina. Ask about me.

SPEAKER_13 38:19

Couples and all, dog. Talk about it. Yeah, man. In cells do better, dog. Yeah, man. Shout out to uh to my homegirl for pointing that out, man. You know, it got me into the bag real quick. Ooh. Alright. What else? What else we got, man? I was gonna tangent right there. I mean, smooth tangent, man. What you got going on over there, chemistry? Well, I was gonna keep it rolling.

SPEAKER_14 38:39

I don't got no notes. I was gonna keep it rolling with this toxic male joint because uh you finally started watching Nature Boy. Oh. I wanna get into it. Just a little bit.

SPEAKER_13 38:51

No, no, no, no, no. It's gonna be a lot of it. Because it's that's a layered conversation.

SPEAKER_14 38:55

It is, it is.

SPEAKER_13 38:56

We're gonna go, we're gonna get into it because we're gonna be able to do it.

SPEAKER_14 38:57

We can you can do a little music break and then we come into it because this one's gonna be a long one.

SPEAKER_13 39:01

Oh, yeah, we got we talk these people out.

SPEAKER_14 39:03

Yeah, we're gonna give them a long one. Let's give them let's give them a little music break. Clean the palate. Clean the palette, man.

SPEAKER_13 39:09

The incel style. Y'all need to share it.

SPEAKER_14 39:11

Because it's kind of new flow right into it no, it connects.

SPEAKER_13 39:14

Yeah. It connects, man. Cause boy, oh boy.

SPEAKER_14 39:18

That one there.

SPEAKER_13 39:20

Nature, boy, man. That's no one. No record flare either. No, no. Woo!

SPEAKER_17 39:44

You can sing a bigger and we close. Who's gonna run the flow?

SPEAKER_04 39:55

Home is where I wanna be. I done catching Z Z Doubt is all I see, C C boxes to the ceiling danger. Water like the beach and santrophe. Love is laying under me. You know what I need, E. All I've been between, E. E. Whisper in my ear. Your words are safe. Let's feel don't play no games. Use this phone blind for me.

SPEAKER_06 40:28

You just give me back. Niggas don't put you on the last floor. Who is this?

SPEAKER_16 41:12

Yeah, you know you call me when they'll be daddy. It's your favorite trapper rapper, but you knew that shit. He be screw my name. I know this coochie hit. That's my favorite nigga. I'm his favorite bitch. He check every rock and I check all the hits. We a perfect match, baby. You mother chick. I ain't playin' by my nigga, I swear to be. Anytime we get together, we gon' do it B. Say my name, Daddy, and I'm trying to help your piece. Yeah, in fact, Raphael bitch fucked up about this thing and then we're no big sexy, but I like when he called me the Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like when you call my leg.

SPEAKER_12 42:10

Yeah, baby, call my night. Just don't call me Gotta beat. I ain't nothing like these hoes with their highest maladies. I'm a real boss. Let a nigga know I'm about my beats. If I let you win his pussy, fuck me till you rather dick. I be talkin' shit, cause these niggas love everything I say. If he don't eat pussy, how the fuck mine end up on his face? I know you got a good bitch, but come and kiss, he worries great. Gone and kiss her ass, but now I'll eat mine later on the date. Bitch, the none they bad. Bitches just ain't seein' shit my way. Bitches make me mad, but then again, they mama made mistakes. 50k in cash, I'm about to go spreein' in that lake. Kna show my ass. Ain't no way I'm having all this cake. It must be sun, battery, red punk, with a couple hit songs to make that dick stand on. It must be sunk by a bitch like me to make a nigga like Everybody crying.

SPEAKER_18 44:05

Ain't none to it. Real one. Ain't none to it. Boss. Ain't none to it. Nothing to it. Real one. Ain't nothing to it. Nothing. Boss. A bit of cost. Take it off. I record then I'm falling. I ignore it a lot of costs. Click, click. You ain't talkin' about nothing, I ain't got no time. Got that the middle on my mind. I got real problems, just like yo. Tell that bitch, I don't like it. Ain't nothing to it. Real one. Ain't nothing to it. Rilla one. Ain't nothing to it. Remember one box.

SPEAKER_20 45:12

Hundred million crib, three million watch, all facts, no cap false. Nigga, you not a boss, you got a boss. Niggas getting jerked, that shit hurts. I take it personally. Niggas rather work for the man than to work with me. Just so they could pretend they're on my level. That shit is hirking in me. Pride always goes before the fall, almost certainly. It's disturbing what I gross. What I gross. Survey says you not even close. Everybody's bosses to the time to pay for the office. To them invoices, separate the men from the boys. Over here, we measures a test for how many people successful next to you. Here we say you broke. If everybody gets broke except for you, Bows. Ain't nothing to it.

SPEAKER_18 45:56

Real one. Ain't nothing to it.

SPEAKER_13 46:06

Alright, alright, alright. Nature Boy, Nature Boy, Nature Boy, Nature Boy, Nature Boy. Alright, man. Let's get to it. Let's get to it. So for those who don't know, there's this documentary on Hulu called uh It's about the sex cult that uh Nature Boy, this guy, this cult leader, Nature Boy was leading. At first, I think it was called Carbonation or Melanation. Then it started off as Melanation, then got changed to Carbonation. Swat, go ahead. He was there from the beginning go. He was there for the beginning.

SPEAKER_14 46:41

You know, this is back when he first dropped, he came out at a time where, you know, a lot of folks was uh the the getting woke. This is like the original woke time. And um he By the way, y'all late to go ahead. Yeah, yeah, especially now. Man late. But um, he he was he was dropping some real gems about, you know. At first. At first, you know, about, you know, our um the history of the melaninated folks. And um also encouraging folks to break away from anything that made them feel like they were still in captive. You know what I'm saying? So he was going to different places at the in the beginning of it, it was Costa Rica. And he had it set up like they were living off the land, they were doing all this, he had his homeboys out there with him, and they were kind of recruiting now, looking back. They were he was using them as recruiters, and you know, people who um were young and a lot of these folks were like, they were adult age, I ain't gonna hold you, but they were like college students, you know, around that time frame. And they were f trying to find something that ra like that that uh what's the word I'm looking for, that resonated with them. And they came across him on social media, and he was encouraging these folks to come out there with him, and well they did. Little do they know it turned into something else. This is like uh what's the what's the way to say it? Like, it's like everything went to its own.

SPEAKER_13 48:06

It turned into a narcissistic, sociopathic wet dream. Yeah, yeah. That's what it turned into.

SPEAKER_14 48:12

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_13 48:13

And this whole documentary disgusted me at the end. Especially towards the end. Um Let's, let's, let's, let's, let's count, let's count the ways. So Jesus. Like I said, like like Swag said, um, it started off very, very good. He was speaking, regurgitating the same talking points that he himself has probably heard. Let's start with the fact that his dad was a 70-year-old man. So this dude is a product of bad sperm. Let's start there. Just because you are old and can get it up and get into it, does not mean you should shoot up clubs and reproduce. You got bad sperm, sir. You're gonna produce some bad products.

SPEAKER_14 48:52

And being that he was 70, let's think about that time frame. He also grew up in a time where. He was born in 1982.

SPEAKER_09 48:58

This is the crack era.

SPEAKER_14 48:59

That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_13 49:00

The crack era, no, not the hype, but the crack era was starting.

SPEAKER_14 49:04

His father also came from a time where women had no rights and abuse in the house was normal. Right? Because he he definitely normalized it going forward. So, like, he took advantage of these people and took very advantage, man.

SPEAKER_13 49:22

And the whole, like, all right, and the first red flag for me was him calling himself, even when he was speaking the whole, regurgitating the whole power to the people we are the sun. We should, we, we, we live off the earth and all that good stuff. He called himself master teacher. Yeah. Bruh. I'm not subscribing to anybody calling himself master teacher. Not the not the homies around. He got the homies around him, the people around him to call him that, but the people around him calling that without him even propping to that, I would have gave props to that. Especially when he's not doing anything to you're not mastering nothing, you're not teaching nothing. You're calling yourself a god, you're calling yourself a high chief.

SPEAKER_14 50:04

And that's because, like, what once again, what I said though, these folks, like, like it was a regurgitation of of knowledge and information, but a lot of the information is not taught in school. Um, the stuff he was saying, it should have been obvious, but to a lot of folks who got caught up, it wasn't. You know what I'm saying? And that really goes to background. You know what I mean? Like, whatever. But the problem is, he started off with great intentions. He got all these people to come and really follow him up and give up everything. But then once they got there, this is what tripped me out. He takes your money, he takes your wallet, your identity, your passport, yes, uh, your ID, and he changes your name. And you allow this behavior.

SPEAKER_13 50:54

Like y'all not, y'all not. But just because you're seeking brotherhood and connection and and you know I mean, you you you feel like uh want to bucks it buck the system and all that good stuff, that's fine intent. And that's that you're gonna do that. Listen, don't get me wrong. I'm with that. I'm so pro, anti-buck the government, buck the system. I'm so proud of live off, I'm so pro all of that. But if you got this dude over here talking to the side of his next, calling himself master teacher and like taking your wallet, your ID, and giving you a name.

SPEAKER_14 51:28

But a lot of them what they say though, they they they felt like it was okay because they were eating every day and um They was living in tents and trying to and yo. They had to sneak to use the bathroom inside.

SPEAKER_13 51:40

Yo! Let's talk about that. There's a whole working toilet inside a house. You got us out here on the tents and we can't use the bathroom.

SPEAKER_14 51:51

Come on, we gotta build holes. One girl says she grew uh tomato out of her poop. You feel me? Watermelon. The next, like y'all eating food. You know, it's crazy. So that that's that whole cult mentality, though. Like, you know, and it's crazy because I've I I've never heard of a cult anywhere else besides in America.

SPEAKER_13 52:11

Stop right there. Dr. Speedwalk this dog. Let's slow walk a little bit. Let's then go back to this documentary, right? So the whole thing switched up when they were trying to go from one place to another. The uh the immigration um laws or the officers.

SPEAKER_14 52:32

Well, they didn't update their passports.

SPEAKER_13 52:33

Well, they did their passports. So the border patrol or whoever the gill, whoever the local authorities, the local authorities may be stopped and said, hey, all you have to do is just sign this paper. Paperwork real quick. And y'all good. And y'all can go about your merry way. This dude wanna hop on live and start flick freaking out and flipping out and putting everybody in that bus in danger. But he but he the master teacher. He cared about it. He's a master teacher, right?

SPEAKER_14 53:01

All they had to do was just sign a piece of paper.

SPEAKER_13 53:03

He's the most high. He's the the the the the the the what he called himself.

SPEAKER_14 53:08

Man, I was so mad at what he called himself a name. Yeah, yeah. What's crazy is the reason he told them not to sign the paper is because it had their uh government names on it, and he was like, that's not who you are. The government's trying to control you.

SPEAKER_13 53:23

Yeah, no, you're so you're trying to control me.

SPEAKER_14 53:26

We just want to keep it.

SPEAKER_13 53:28

Why can't I make it my own name?

SPEAKER_14 53:29

After that, though, after them not signing the paperwork, that literally that's all the people wanted. You feel me? Now they gotta actually invoke the law. So now they gotta drag people off the bus.

SPEAKER_08 53:41

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_14 53:41

Because y'all not gonna go willingly because he told y'all not to. So then he makes it seem like they attacked y'all. And that's so crazy. One of the guys, though, he was smart.

SPEAKER_13 53:52

Yeah, yeah. He got on through after that. He peeped game and got right up on there. But like the people who stayed, it got deeper and deeper and deeper. Now the whole vibe switched. Now he's just the stone cold pimp. Yeah, he can see the windows. Out of the way, out of out of nowhere. Yep. He is having women hitting on other women, he is beating on dudes. And the dudes himself was on some freaky deekey.

SPEAKER_14 54:17

He had them rubbing his feet, talking about swallowing his, you know, and had them beating each other up. And and the change, and it was even crazier is he was doing it online.

SPEAKER_13 54:31

Doing it online. No, the thing that drove me like this just stopped the whole show for me, right? When one of the dudes said, hey, told said that Nature Boy said, hey, y'all gonna have to find some transgenders and then they could be your wives, but the actual women, man, they're gonna be with me.

SPEAKER_14 54:49

That's all me. And then separated the men and women. After making this, and this came after getting them to marry each other. Yes!

SPEAKER_13 54:57

So they can't testify.

SPEAKER_14 54:58

Against him. Yeah. And these dudes, and these dudes went along with it. And that's what's crazy to me.

SPEAKER_13 55:04

That's crazy. You try to do this stuff trying to seek brotherhood, is kind of cult mentality, right?

SPEAKER_14 55:10

It's just so wild. Like, we wouldn't get caught in a cult, but it's been so many people, it makes you kind of think of like I feel like that we are in a cult.

SPEAKER_13 55:20

And that ties it to your point earlier. Now we're gonna get to it. Uh, by the way, you guys go check out Nature Boy, that uh documentary. If you want to get good and mad, that's the one for you to watch.

SPEAKER_14 55:29

Oh, just to make sure you don't get caught up in a cult, baby.

SPEAKER_13 55:32

So, but and in a sense, I feel like we are, because I feel like the American society itself is a cult. I mean, we we talk about the MAGA cult and all that stuff like that. MAGA cult stems from American culture, cult, activities. So, like, let's let's break down what a cult actually has, right? It has a shared belief system. This is a Christian nation.

SPEAKER_14 55:53

In their case, mellow nation, carb nation. Right, but one with the leg.

SPEAKER_13 55:57

But we're talking about America. They say America is a Christian nation, not a Muslim nation, Christian, not a Jewish nation, but it's really a Jewish nation. Oh, not another thing about another thing. They run everything. They say this is a Christian nation, right? A pressure to conform. Get your nine to five, go to college, blah, blah, blah. Right? Emotional conditioning, the TV, music, radio.

SPEAKER_14 56:21

Yeah, desensitizing, and also make you fearful.

SPEAKER_13 56:24

Exactly. The media, the news, right? It will show you, it'll overload you with bad news so you'd be more um subjective to conforming to this system, right? I'm used to it now. It has an identity that's tied to loyalty.

SPEAKER_09 56:37

Are you a patriot?

SPEAKER_13 56:39

Yeah. Red, white, and blue, baby.

SPEAKER_14 56:41

Okay. Yeah. And there's punishment for dissent. You're treasoness. You're going to jail. The United States of America versus the American. If you break our laws, you go to jail. Yeah. Right? Well. Right? And you put in that.

SPEAKER_13 56:54

And it has charismatic figures and institutions. Yeah. And this is big right here. It's a us versus them world view.

SPEAKER_14 57:04

And the us versus them as far as America is us versus anyone else outside of America. Ain't that crazy? Okay. Even within America, it's us versus them.

SPEAKER_13 57:12

So that that that's usually the basis. And I think I don't think this is a Christian nation. I think our religion is consumerism. That's our religion. Money. That is our religion right there. We're taught from childhood that success equals money, status, productivity, and visibility. You don't just buy products, you build through, you build identity through brands, careers, and statics, politics. And here's the thing. Social media validation.

SPEAKER_18 57:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_13 57:41

Okay? Alpa users, wholesale culture, luxury obsessions, celebrity worship. And start looking less like preference and more like more and more like doctrine to me. Just to me. I could be crazy.

SPEAKER_14 57:54

I don't think you're wrong. I think it's a double-edged sword. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, I mean c clearly, America. First of all, America don't even stand for what America's supposed to stand for. You know what I'm saying? Of course. The ideology and the reality. If it told the truth of how America started, we probably would get a whole lot further in life. But since that's not the case, yes, this is why cults come from here more than anywhere.

SPEAKER_13 58:18

And woke, uh, not woke, but work culture and productivity worship. Like America heavily moralizes work. People feel guilty when they're resting, they feel ashamed when they're being behind. They feel worthless without achievements. They feel anxious when they're not monetizing themselves. Right? That is the resemblance or the is a result of conditioning. Your value becomes tied to output rather than just simply existence.

SPEAKER_14 58:48

But I mean you can't exist without money in some senses.

SPEAKER_13 58:52

Unless you homeless are a bomb. When you meet somebody, and especially in the dating world, especially in the dating world, especially in the dating world, they ask one question. What's the one question you think they ask first? Where do you work at? What do you do? Rather than who are you?

SPEAKER_14 59:07

Yeah, that's real.

SPEAKER_13 59:09

That's real. So you know what I mean? That is culturally significant, man. And you got the political tribalism as well.

SPEAKER_14 59:16

The political tribalism? Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_13 59:18

A lot of Americans just don't hold political opinions anymore. They inherited the identities. I am a dim. I am a liberal dim. Yeah. I'm a conservative.

SPEAKER_14 59:26

Well, that comes from, like you said, inherited. Like you most people pick whatever they heard growing up in their house, you know. But nowadays, honestly, that part is getting a little misconstrued. It's still.

SPEAKER_13 59:36

Exactly, because again, like right here, let me let me stop right there. Because once identity fuses with ideology, disagreement feels like betrayal. That's where conversations stop being rational and become more of an emotional defense mechanism.

SPEAKER_14 59:48

Most people don't even know where they really stand politically. They really don't. They just know that their parents stood there or their grandparents or whoever they were raised by or whoever they looked up to, and that's what they stood for, so that's what they stand for. But they don't even agree with how they. Agree with it.

SPEAKER_13 1:00:01

And like again, in both sides, both sides, both the Dems and the Republican, they both display cult-like behavior. They demonize the outsiders. They repeat the slogans, yes we can, or make America great again, and they protect the leaders despite the contradictions that they put out. Right? And they consume it just and they're consuming only approved media. The Fox News, the CNN, the MN, uh, the MSNBC, and all that stuff, right?

SPEAKER_14 1:00:28

But what I like about people is while we have those statistics that yes, whatever, they're gonna be here forever and ever, but they never talk about the other side of it.

SPEAKER_13 1:00:37

Where you have to be impartial. Well, what you have to be fair and balanced, you have to be open-minded for all that.

SPEAKER_14 1:00:42

Like even for right now, these are the things that are.

SPEAKER_13 1:00:43

And code-like behavior doesn't approve open-mindedness. It doesn't last. There's not one code. But this code here has lasted over 400 years.

SPEAKER_14 1:00:52

Guess what though? It's gotta eventually go off the rails, though.

SPEAKER_13 1:00:55

I mean, we're gonna see.

SPEAKER_14 1:00:56

I mean, even right now, we've seen it because low-key. Trump didn't do the things he said he was gonna do to make America great folks. They ready to team up with the Y-Ns. You feel me? Because they was the ones who got short-sighted. But what will it go anywhere? Besides online talking? I don't know. Probably I don't, I hope so.

SPEAKER_13 1:01:14

And again, speaking of online, man, social media is behavioral conditioning, man. Algorithms reward conformity, outrage, performance, and emotional extremism. I mean, like, people begin self-censory not because the government forces to, but because social exile exists, right? They have a fear of being canceled, a fear of irrelevance, a fear of being on the wrong side, the addition to approval metrics. You know what I mean? The likes of the variety become social currency.

SPEAKER_14 1:01:40

They also feel like on social media, they can just say whatever they want with no repercussions.

SPEAKER_08 1:01:45

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_14 1:01:46

Knowing that if they said that in real life, they get punched in their face. That's another thing. That's what I'm saying. Social media gave a lot of these people forms that they don't even they barely can stand on.

SPEAKER_13 1:01:57

Because I swear to God, if Nature Boy said half the things he said into right in front of my face, there's yeah.

SPEAKER_14 1:02:04

But I feel like Nature Boy will be scrapped, we will be scrapped. He attracted a certain type of person. Women, whatever, you know. But men-wise, he attracted weak men who lacked something. They needed someone to lay them. They did. They needed a man to tell them what to do. And once again, I know it seems like I keep going back to this, but a lot of these men need to figure out their sexuality. I don't even mean that they're gay. You might not be no hard sexual.

SPEAKER_11 1:02:34

It's not so black and white.

SPEAKER_14 1:02:35

It's not, you're not so black and white and you might not be attracted to men, but you might, you might need a dominating woman.

SPEAKER_13 1:02:42

Or if you are attracted to men, you're just attracted to men. It's okay. They don't know how to deal with that. Come out and be like, hey, I'm bisexual.

SPEAKER_14 1:02:50

But to have one man, well, he literally pointed that out to him. The ones who went and got transgender women because he said You're bisexual. You are bisexual. You're bisexual. Because there's no way that at that point you was like.

SPEAKER_13 1:03:05

Hey, normalize men being bisexual, yo. Like we normalize women being uh bisexual.

SPEAKER_14 1:03:09

Women get away with it a whole lot more. A whole lot more.

SPEAKER_13 1:03:12

So same energy across the board.

SPEAKER_14 1:03:13

Same energy across the ball.

SPEAKER_13 1:03:14

Same energy across if you're bi, cool, whatever.

SPEAKER_14 1:03:17

That would make a difference.

SPEAKER_13 1:03:18

You're like them both. Cool.

SPEAKER_14 1:03:20

In the very case. You like chocolate and vanilla. What I thought was crazy about the documents too, like once you said once he ramped it up and he got them to um fighting each other. Yeah. Not one time did none of them turn and look and be like, we finna have a lot of people.

SPEAKER_13 1:03:32

No, when they had when they had it, when he had a chick grab the baby out the woman's hand and have everyone circle around this woman while as if while he mercilessly beat her.

SPEAKER_14 1:03:45

And they literally said they were afraid because at any time they thought it could be turned to them.

SPEAKER_13 1:03:49

That's crazy work.

SPEAKER_14 1:03:50

Also, that was.

SPEAKER_13 1:03:51

That's cult identity, and that's what America is for the for the most part.

SPEAKER_14 1:03:54

But this goes to the people, though. Like that woman who even got there, she didn't even go there for him. She loved his teaching. She seen him as a father figure, brother figure. She went there for his homeboy. Yeah. And he took her.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_14 1:04:08

And she knew it was creepy. Yeah. But it allowed it to happen. You know why? Because the dude who she came there with, all milk or whatever his name was, allowed it.

SPEAKER_13 1:04:16

Yeah, he allowed it. He allowed it.

SPEAKER_14 1:04:17

So what she's supposed to do. And a lot of these people turned away from their families and all that.

SPEAKER_13 1:04:21

And it's crazy, like Nature Boy is just a small fragment, but it's just like it's a lot of influence. Yeah, a lot of influencers, a lot of celebrities too. And that's another thing that kind of helped into the whole America's a cult argument, is that America turns humans into these mythological uh figures, right? Fans defend celebrities they never met like their family members. Right? People are like, you know what I mean? Like, well, but by my takes on Meg the Stallion, people was coming at me like I insulted their cousin or something like that. Their sister or something like that. That's kind of crazy. And and these influencers become pseudo-spiritual leaders. They're telling people how to think, what to eat, who to date, what how to vote, how to heal, become a quote unquote high value, and it's all BS. You don't know these people.

SPEAKER_14 1:05:03

You actually looked in their background, they don't do none of the things they're talking about. None of the things Nature Boy had these mugs eating off the land while he was going to restaurants. Getting steak.

SPEAKER_13 1:05:16

That you pooped on. Maybe a red snapper.

SPEAKER_14 1:05:19

You feel me? Maybe if they caught it, luckily. You feel me?

SPEAKER_13 1:05:22

So like, um, I I I mean, but there is like a flip side to it. Like, there is some things that America don't do. But, you know what I mean? Like, true cults, they usually isolate members physically. I mean, jail. I mean, we're gonna leave that out there. Severely punish uh severely punish exit. So but you can leave America and be fine, like you know what I mean, be out of here and just whatever.

SPEAKER_14 1:05:45

I mean you can. But you know, they and but you gotta learn the ways of the lands over there though, true story.

SPEAKER_13 1:05:51

And you know, uh true cult usually control all the information and uh America doesn't do that, and they forbid dissent entirely, like America's like you. Can leave, you can come back, right? Right. But you know, that's why journalism and and and but I don't think this uh it's it's a cult, but like it's a society that's made up with a lot of cult-like systems. It is, it's built off the back of folks, like literally like politics, hustle culture, internet ideology, fitness culture, gender wars, red pill spaces, corporate culture, even these uh the so-called wellness movements.

SPEAKER_14 1:06:28

Yeah, but see, I don't think all those are bad. They're not bad cultures, but I think they turn into the colours.

SPEAKER_13 1:06:33

Politics and hustle culture, we can have gender wars, that's a bad culture.

SPEAKER_14 1:06:37

They turn into cults because people make it cult. Like these things are real things that happen in life. Wellness, help, all that stuff is something we go through. Uh the news and and whatever, all these things are parts of our life. It's just about people who take it and like to the extremities and prey on those who can't think for themselves, I guess, in a sense. You know what I mean? Like, literally, and this is it's the same in indifferent at the same time. Like, um, this guy who killed uh a rapper or whatever's part of it, they asked the the warden of a prison. That that bro, I can't make this up. They said, um, do you think he should be subjected to the death penalty or should they put him in jail? And my the dude, the white dude said to this black man's face, bro, when they asked that question, we need him alive and in jail so we can get that sweat equity. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Because we got the older ones who are dying off, and we need these younger boys and you younger melanated boys to come in.

SPEAKER_13 1:07:39

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_14 1:07:41

That's a cult. Like the prison.

SPEAKER_13 1:07:43

The prison is a cult.

SPEAKER_14 1:07:44

The prison is a cult.

SPEAKER_13 1:07:45

The prison is a cult.

SPEAKER_14 1:07:46

That's a problem.

SPEAKER_13 1:07:47

Yeah. Some people get institutionalized. Why do you think institutionalization is a thing? Yeah, it's a good thing.

SPEAKER_14 1:07:52

And it starts from school. Like that I agree with now. The school to school to prison pipeline system.

SPEAKER_13 1:07:57

Yeah, that's a cult right there. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. And it's just like because, like, you know, it's it's because of these people, these human beings is naturally seeking belonging. They just want to belong to something, right?

SPEAKER_14 1:08:07

Yeah, because they never feel like they belong anywhere else.

SPEAKER_11 1:08:09

They feel like they don't, you know what I mean? And I hate that.

SPEAKER_13 1:08:11

And I hate that as well. So I'm thinking, like, yo, how can we kind of like, you know, figure out some kind of mentality or what mental habits that we should pick up to kind of counteract this feeling that you are getting, you know, cultified or, you know.

SPEAKER_14 1:08:24

Well, you're getting culture. You're getting you some sense of belonging.

SPEAKER_13 1:08:27

Right. You gotta separate your identity from your ideology, right? You know what I'm saying? Like, you're the most dangerous sentence psychology is saying, like, oh, I am this belief, right? Once belief becomes an identity disagreement, it feels like death. A healthy mindset would be like, I currently believe this. This perspective helps me right now, but you can update your views without losing yourself.

SPEAKER_14 1:08:47

Yeah, and I think having morals matters. So, like, you can stand on what you stand on. Like, I I stand on I I know it sucks, but I want to, I know that all people aren't good, but I do believe that people have good in them. Right? That's something I stand on.

SPEAKER_13 1:09:05

Because, yeah, true, true story. True story.

SPEAKER_14 1:09:08

Can't nobody take that from me. But people who don't even have that as something to stand on, they'll fall for anything. Like you gotta have something you stand on, even if it goes for you.

SPEAKER_13 1:09:17

Like again, the co-life thinkers say, yo, if I if I question this ideology, I would portray myself. And the independent thinkers say, yo, if I can't question it, I probably don't own it.

SPEAKER_14 1:09:26

If you can't question it, it's not real. They taught us who, what, when, where, and why in school, but then told you not to ask them questions when you go into jail. Come on, man.

SPEAKER_13 1:09:39

And and the thing, and the thing that I think that that gets people like kind of hooked into these cults is the um it's uh the the the the selling of the emotional certainty. Like, yo, we know the truth. We know who the enemy is, we know why you suffer. Like humans love certainty because ambiguity creates anxiety.

SPEAKER_14 1:09:58

I mean it does though, you know? And some things are for certain, but like if it's for certain, you can look it up yourself. Yeah, you can find it. Yeah. It's factual and actual.

SPEAKER_13 1:10:07

But so that as like healthy and more mature, it's like, yo, I don't fully know. Both sides may contain little aspects of the truth. And this issue is more complicated, and it just can be summarized in slogans and stuff like that. Nuance protects you from manipulation. Love nuance, love context, ask questions. It's okay.

SPEAKER_14 1:10:29

And for those who can't ask them out loud, write them down.

SPEAKER_13 1:10:33

And this kind of ties into the to the incel conversation. Build an identity outside of group validation. It's all about building your identity.

SPEAKER_14 1:10:44

And also, even if you don't know, just this because remember, identity has the one word that matters, identify. So it's the things you identify with. You know, if if like in my case, I love doing puzzles, you know what I'm saying? So like I can do it by myself all day long. But if if say I wasn't someone who can like socialize and meet other people, I would find a puzzle community. Because that's something I can do that requires little talking, but if I find somebody else who's on that same level, we can talk puzzles and grow from there. So it's like finding people on your level matters. Yeah, that that helps you identify and find your identity. And find your identity, I guess.

SPEAKER_13 1:11:24

See, that's what I'm saying. And that's like even more of uh it's like again. The stronger your internal identity is, the less desperate you become for ideological approval. You know what I mean? That means like hobbies that disconnect you from performance. Like was I said, like I do puzzles. Real world friendships. And solitude, again, is not bad.

SPEAKER_14 1:11:50

It's not actually. It's it's it's terrible for those who have never like if you've grown up in chaos and always had people around you.

SPEAKER_13 1:11:58

It might feel weird.

SPEAKER_14 1:12:00

I grew up around it, so it took it took me a minute to be okay with solitude. But let me tell you something. Once you get that, it's a beautiful thing because you never feel alone.

SPEAKER_13 1:12:09

Yeah, and people are the easiest to uh radicalize when they're usually psychological uh you know psychologically uh starving.

SPEAKER_08 1:12:15

Yeah, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_13 1:12:16

So that's why you know your health is important, your self-respect, the independent uh independence is important, stuff like that. And get off the rage content. Stop the hate watching, you know what I mean? Like, please, it's actually trying to understand why people believe what they believe in the emotions and stuff. Like the goal is an agreement, is cognitive flexibility. A cult mindset needs enemies to stay emotionally stable. Like in Nature Boy, the enemy was always the cops.

SPEAKER_14 1:12:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_13 1:12:41

The laws. And he did isolation, the system, the government. He made that the enemy.

SPEAKER_14 1:12:48

And why they are the enemies, they also have to live. To an extent. You have to live and be. Like, they weren't the enemy when they say, okay, well, none of we know this, y'all, y'all's passports haven't been stamped. All we need you to do is sign it. Sign it and we're good. We're good. They weren't the enemy. That was them making it easy for y'all to go ahead and do your thing. They didn't make you stand in a line, they didn't make y'all have to go through and nope. Fingerprints, none of that. None of that. But instead of him going with it, and also though, be a adult. Have a brain. If it don't feel right, walk away.

SPEAKER_13 1:13:23

Mm-hmm. Ain't no way. Walk away and like, and again, if you're on your phone right now, scrolling and screening, you know what I mean, scrolling and seeing and you know you see like the you get emotionally hijacked. Like, if you watch something, you instantly feel rage, superiority, feel, humiliation, a little sense of tribal pride and moral purity. Or fear. Take a yeah, I just said I said fear. I know. But take a breath and pause and step away from the screen for a second. Change it up. Modern media profits from emotional dysregulation, y'all. So you really gotta ask yourself the question is this helping me understand reality? Or is this helping me feel emotionally charged? These are two different things. Or draining me. Yeah. And like we said, like we said for this whole entire uh episode, learn how to be alone.

SPEAKER_14 1:14:12

This is huge. It is. Because you're gonna be alone no matter what. That's a constant.

SPEAKER_13 1:14:17

I mean, like, and I get people don't want to be alone because they feel insecure, they feel uh a sense of no purpose, they feel a little grief, loneliness, fear of insignificance. So they stay constantly plugged into the discourse, they stay plugged into the politics, they stay plugged into the fandom and the outrage and the trench and the parasocial relationships, but you're still alone, you're still by yourself.

SPEAKER_14 1:14:36

You're by yourself.

SPEAKER_13 1:14:37

Okay? Sol to can help you discover what do I actually think when nobody is watching, and that is the beginning of psychological freedom. And stop outsourcing meaning. A lot of sisters would tell people what success is, what attractive is, what's masculinity, what's feminine, what is happiness, what is morale. And the people, people alone consciously define these things for themselves, not blindly, thoughtfully. It's hard work and it prevents psychological dependencies, man. Free your mind.

SPEAKER_14 1:15:07

Yep, I agree with that, but also, you know.

SPEAKER_13 1:15:11

And understand your own wounds. Who hurt you, how they hurt you. Exactly. What happened? Exactly. Take some time.

SPEAKER_14 1:15:19

Yeah. You just gotta do if if if everything you're doing makes you mad or like angry or you feel lonely, then do the complete opposite. Just trying to complete even if you just try it for one day. I bet you your life for two. I guess what's important. Break loose, man.

SPEAKER_13 1:15:36

Touch some grass.

SPEAKER_14 1:15:38

You know what I'm saying? Grass is free. It is, though. And it's right outside. Take your own.

SPEAKER_13 1:15:44

Think critically. Stay emotionally grounded. Some folks can't think critically. So just like. Change your mind. Change your mind is cool. You can always change your mind. Change your mind. You can always change your mind. It's free.

SPEAKER_14 1:15:56

If every time you speak, everybody like, oh Lord, you should probably change your mind. Not whatever your first thought is, don't say it.

SPEAKER_13 1:16:06

Just remain. Just remain and just keep the fact that this goes to the incel part of it, too. We're all human beings. And just remain human while doing this whole thing. That's all you gotta do, dog. Incel, bro, y'all just gotta cut it. Cut it out. Cut it out. Cut it out. These women are human beings. Yo, these women are human beings on this earth who are struggling the same way as you are. Who are going through things. Who are going through things just like you, who has stresses just like you, who has ambitions. Well, no, not ambitions, but have things that impacts them negatively in this life as well. Y'all are not the only one who is lonely, man.

SPEAKER_14 1:16:44

Okay, it is 40-year-old virgin women. Like, come on, quit complaining. And keep in mind there are no women in sales.

SPEAKER_11 1:16:52

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_14 1:16:54

We can't relate.

SPEAKER_13 1:16:59

Alright, shoot. I got the got that out of my chest. Hey, Iceman coming out.

SPEAKER_14 1:17:08

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_13 1:17:10

I'll be back with my review of that album.

SPEAKER_14 1:17:13

Yeah, oh, shout out to Trap Dickey, South Carolina. We in the building, he just dropped the veil. He's top 10. And he's a South Carolina artist, bro. It's amazing. So I gotta give a shout out every time I am, because I'm proud of him, man. And if you listen to him, Trap Dickey, bro, he liked that. I promise you.

SPEAKER_13 1:17:32

Man, hold up.

SPEAKER_14 1:17:33

You can play any song. He got one with Big X, the plug, Clee Glock, uh, the ones with himself. I mixed Nation for real. What's up, my boy?

SPEAKER_13 1:17:41

Wait, wait, wait, wait. We gotta play this for the Lakers. Man, it's over with this.

SPEAKER_14 1:17:48

Oh man, they trace it. It's a rap! Scoot it and boot it out.

SPEAKER_13 1:17:53

Y'all are out of here. LeBron's gone. Y'all back to irrelevancy. Lucas not gonna win y'all championship. Nope. Oh, shout out to Dylan. Not the Dylan that we know, but Dylan puts on the uh Phoenix uh. I know. Shout out to Dylan though, man. Shout out to your little punk ass Knicks.

SPEAKER_14 1:18:23

I know, man.

SPEAKER_13 1:18:24

But you know, it is what it is. Oh, man, nah, this this postseason, man, been crazy. Alright, so we got going to the finals. Who we got going to the finals? Um.

SPEAKER_14 1:18:34

I would love to see Minnesota make it. But like I said, because I'm the East Coast all day, even though I hate the Knicks. I'm fine with the Knicks going. Man, Pistons. Come on, dog. I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_13 1:18:48

I hope the Pistons like get the Cavs out of here in two more games. So they can go ahead and get the Knicks out of here in six. Well, we're gonna see though. Detroit and six. That's a matchup I got Detroit and six. Oh yeah. Maybe Detroit and seven. That's gonna be a seven-game series. And although I would love to see Ant-Man in the Western Conference Finals, I would rather see Wimby in there just so they could give the Thunder a seven-game series.

SPEAKER_14 1:19:14

Yeah, because Thunder's definitely going. Yeah.

SPEAKER_13 1:19:16

The Thunder. Thunder is yeah. They're going.

SPEAKER_14 1:19:18

That's without a doubt.

SPEAKER_13 1:19:19

But I would love to see the Spurs kind of put a little wrinkle in their plans. But I would not be mad if Ant-Man somehow.

SPEAKER_14 1:19:26

I would love for them, but honestly, just watching the games.

SPEAKER_13 1:19:29

Watching games just don't mean nothing to me no more, man. Doesn't mean anything to me no more. It's not the same. It's not the same, man. The team that's supposed to be in the finals blew a 3-1 lead in the first round.

SPEAKER_14 1:19:39

And I'm sad about that. I'm so sad.

SPEAKER_13 1:19:42

I'm sick about that. I don't get it. But yeah, man. Ain't nothing else going on in my mind. What you got? Any last thoughts?

SPEAKER_14 1:19:49

Well, you know what? I did see a post I want to bring up. Okay. Uh, it's part because we talked about Mother's Day in the beginning. They said that dear mama. I seen people saying it's time to retire dear mama as a Mother's Day song.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:02

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_14 1:20:02

And one guy said, one guy said, because my mama wants no crack thing. And why I felt that. My mama wasn't either. My mama wasn't. But I love the hook. I love the mama. You know? So I don't know. What do you think? Should it be retired? Hell no. I agree. That's why I thought.

SPEAKER_13 1:20:23

Whoever said that, man, go and take a seat. Trash. Go and take a seat. Trash almighty.

SPEAKER_14 1:20:28

Also, y'all, keep your eye on these politics that are happening. Memphis might as well not be a part of Tennessee. I'm telling you, it's important that we go out and vote. I'm telling you, pay attention to politics. I don't want to get too deep in it, because I know folks ain't been paying attention like that. But this redistricting thing is crazy.

SPEAKER_13 1:20:49

It's mad real.

SPEAKER_14 1:20:50

It's super mad real. It's wild. So, other than that, um, stay black. Drink your water. If you ain't black, get that sun up in you. Um, I love you. You love me, babe.

SPEAKER_13 1:21:04

Yeah, it's a good this is a good old mature. Good old, good mature.

SPEAKER_14 1:21:08

We're gonna leave y'all with some good old music because it's also wise a pod. It's also a radio show.

SPEAKER_13 1:21:13

Shout out to KWHKL P R Cada 94.7 FM Community Ford Radio broadcast from the heart of the district in Arcada. What kind of district is it, Swag? Kareemery. Kareemery. Again, man, this is Mike's Attitude Knowledge. This is music, art, and culture. This is making audio collects. Thank you for joining another episode of the Mac Podcast. I hope you enjoy listening as much as we enjoyed talking to y'all. Keep us in your thoughts and prayers. I guarantee that you are in ours and a word to the wise. Don't let the wins be the relief and the tragedy be the losses. What is simple and what is easy are rarely the same. A wise man can play the fool, but a fool can never play the wise man. And last but not least, no amount of money in the world could ever buy you a second of time. So spend yours wisely. And we out of here. We'll see you next week. Bye.

SPEAKER_10 1:22:21

And I be yelling out, gang gang. I be outside with my gang gang. Chunk your gang size if you gang bang. I be outside with my ganger from the deuce, do the boat. The bigster eight the nine I'm from the deuce, do the foe. The bigster eight the nine I'm from the deuce, do the boat. The bigster eight the nine I'm from the deuce, do the foe. The bigster I beat. With my close friends. Bitch, I ain't no kid, I'm a grown man. And I don't need your cash, got my own bands. But they call me Mr. Breaker Bitch in Japan and I with gang gang. Yeah, gang gang. Big dog shit, dog tag, let them chains hang. Big choke, bitch. I hope this ain't your main thing. Can I be sliding around with the bananas like a orangutan? Can I be sliding around with that dick like a stud dude? And if it's up, then it's stuck, nigga. Fuck you. Bitch, I'm from the deuce dude. Bitch, I'm from the foe. Enterprise park somewhere. You can go. That's a roy. That's some roy. I'ma go nuts go nuts like I'm enjoyed. Bitch, I'm from the deuce. Bitch, I'm from the foe. Enterprise park somewhere. You gotta be yelling out gang gang. Do you gang bang dudes? I be outside with my gangang. I be outside with my gang, I'm from the dudes, do the boat. The bigster hate the nine, I'm from the dudes, do the foe. The bigster hate the nine, I'm from the dudes, do the boat. The bigster hate the nine, I'm from the dudes, do the foe. The biggest to hate the nine.

SPEAKER_09 1:23:37

Had that workout by daybreak. It better not be a day late. Put the yard of melee. Like play the nigga, play the nigga. Sendin homies money on J D. The red homies grave. Look I'm really from the gang and eggs. Westide royalty, roots making loyalty. Old school take a hat to all leave. Spoiling.

SPEAKER_21 1:23:53

Stop our hot dog hot on the boarding. That something like the elite street. We gon' get the drop and watch it spin. It's a repeat. I'ma dive in on Lil' Baby more than me. West side royalty, got bads for the loyalty. Tell the party down up in the ops. We tryna spoil it. Deuce vote, big state nine and put a O on them. We gon' put the holes on them and then we're gonna be able to do it.

SPEAKER_10 1:24:15

Do you gang bangs? I be outside with my gang gang. Chunk your gang size if you gang bang. I be outside with my gang, I'm from the deuce, do the boat. The bigster eight the nine, I'm from the deuce, do the boat. The bigster eight the nine, I'm from the deuce, do the boat. The bigster eight the nine, I'm from the deuce, do the boat.

SPEAKER_19 1:24:31

The bigster eight the nine. Got put on in my twin right behind in the pride. You ain't got a body, better go lookin' live. Philippi, out with national with time. Most bag of blue rules. We ain't got enough to slide it. When your head, I shall rare bitch, fuck it up. When your head, I should rub the bitch, fuck it up.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:51

Been that gill as hollows park on my life, flag to the right, make a left on the white. Come on, no, that's my chestin. I was on the hand flamed up every semester. Make them run when the dog coming. One four two street to peace, street ain't falling from me. Hit her up and all of them. Blue faces all bloody. Since big babies, we've been gang gang, free to gang gangs in the catch.

SPEAKER_10 1:25:10

I was born a bastard. The bitch wanna choose, make her choose up faster. Homies hangin' out, neighbors wanna be a pastor. I never post a blower, cause I've never been a flat. Then it's been on sight, then wanna be like Mike. I always did what's wrong, never did what's right. Better play your cards right, gotta learn the fucking game. And I'm with my niggas and I'm yelling gang. Then I be yelling out gang gang. Do you gang bang? I be outside with my gang gang. Chunk your gang size if you gang bang. I be outside with my gang, I'm from the dude.