Gonna Be A Cold Summer

This week on the podcast, the vibes were calm but the conversations definitely weren’t. Host Asaad the Artiz came into the episode with a lot of questions on his mind, and cohost Kemistree was more than ready to give her perspective.

The duo tackled everything from the current state of music to the state of the culture itself:

• Are “vibes” ruining lyrical rap?
• Did streaming lower the standard for talent?
• Why are reaction streamers even a thing?
• Is representation real progress or just performative?
• Did luxury culture mentally cook an entire generation?

And that’s only the beginning.

After the music break, the conversation takes a more toxic turn as relationship philosophy enters the chat and Asaad starts asking some questions that are definitely going to have listeners arguing in the comments. We’ll let y’all discover those for yourselves.

They close the episode out with a few hilarious “Would You Rather?” scenarios to keep things light before wrapping up another smooth but thought-provoking episode.

Shoutout to everybody listening — especially the hate listeners keeping the engagement alive. Make sure you like, comment, share, subscribe, and follow the movement.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_06 0:00

All right, all right, all right. What's going on with you?

SPEAKER_05 0:04

What's happening, man?

SPEAKER_06 0:05

You good?

SPEAKER_05 0:06

I'm good. How you doing?

SPEAKER_06 0:13

You know, I need to get on that.

SPEAKER_05 0:14

I'm telling you.

SPEAKER_06 0:15

I do need to get on that. I need to choose peace myself. Peace to the chaos. A lot of things have been disturbing me. But we'll get into it. Oh. Mike, Mike, Mike. One check, Mike, check, Mike, check, one, two. What is this? It's a Mac crew top two talking so authentic. How am I feeling right now?

SPEAKER_05 0:35

How you feeling? How you feeling? We gotta get him turned down. We gotta bring him in right.

SPEAKER_06 0:40

I don't know, man. I'm over here just like.

SPEAKER_05 0:43

I mean, you have to turn it. No, you can turn it down too. We can turn it down. We can turn it down.

SPEAKER_06 0:48

But unfortunately, I'm on this right now. Oh well, there you go.

SPEAKER_07 0:52

Stand down. Let's go, let's go. Stand up. It's your favorite podcast, favorite podcast, baby. Let's go. We're not move you move. We're not move you move.

SPEAKER_11 1:05

We're not move you move. Okay, hey, putting that back. Just like that, it's not there, go. Just like that, what's the ground is not there? Like that. I'm the crap. Oh, you don't have the three eyes with me. I'm young wild and like three. We ain't got nothing to worm, but I whoop a ass. Let's be here. My diamonds are reckless. It feels like a fruit, it's hanging from my necklace. I'm pulling up with a million trucks. Looking, smelling, smelling like a million bucks. Past the bottles, the heat is on. We in the huddle all smoking that teaching stone. What's wrong? The club and the moon is full. And I'm looking for a quick young lady the bull. One store shot, way to get them out of them pants. Take note to the brand new hands like me. When I move you move. When I move, you move. When I move you move. Just like that. Just like that. Just like that.

SPEAKER_07 2:19

Stand up. He said, bring it back. Stand up. Stand up.

SPEAKER_03 2:27

Stand up.

unknown 2:28

But we here now.

SPEAKER_03 2:33

Let's go.

SPEAKER_04 2:42

Hey, shot it what it is. Some violence shit. Two step and lay back, still wild shit.

SPEAKER_11 2:52

What up? Hey, baby, I got the potion. Take a sip of this and put your back in motion. Some violence shit. Two step and lay back, still wild shit. What up? Hey, baby, I got the potion. Take a sip of this and put you back in motion. A needle and I hate stack. So face back. To the drawing board, connect that. Matter of fact, you race that. Cause on this great track, get your face slapped, and I'm straight, so don't text me. Try something different and shit. So listen to shit. Sweaking about what hip hop is missing and shit. I'm about to fill a boy. Ludicrous, born in Illinois, raised in Atlanta to Hamas and was a little bit nobody like me. So they wanna bite me, fight me. Step to me now, but it ain't like me. People sweat excitement. Just cause he's like splitting with braids in his head on me. Make her look slightly. Trick get your mind right. Living in the line, like some picture what they'll do for my Jimmy and the clock. Born, bar, hard and hard. Tell your mama I'm a cat top superstar. Hey, baby, I got the potion. Take a sip of this and put your back in motion. Some violence shit. Two steppin' laid back, still wild shit. What up? Ay, baby, I got the potion. Take a sip of this and put your back in motion.

SPEAKER_06 4:05

Let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go. Alright, man. We hear, we hear, we hear, we hear, we hear, we hear, we hear.

SPEAKER_05 4:09

I just send a new listener the link and everything so they can tap in. Oh yeah, oh yeah. Oh yeah. We forever working, even on L.

SPEAKER_06 4:16

Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Yes, yes, yes, my man. Welcome to another episode of the Mac Podcast, man. Bring it up, bring it up, give it up, man, go up, man. This should be the podcast for the podcast. Coming for you live. Kou H A L P Arcada 94.7 FM. Community Full Radio from the Broadcasting Heart District. I'm Arcada. I'm your host of Saudi Artists alongside you already know who it is to start the show, Big K, Big Tree, Chemistry. It's in the building. What's happening, y'all?

SPEAKER_05 4:50

Man, what's going on with you, man?

SPEAKER_06 4:52

You over here. All right, tell me about this peaceful journey that you made.

SPEAKER_05 4:54

Man, I'm telling you, like, it's either that or be angry every day and like falling victim to, you know, chaos that's not even yours. It just so happens to surround you or include you. So it's like, just because everybody else is on, it's gonna sound terrible, but like misery really does love company, even if they don't realize they're in misery. So I just, you know, despite anything that came out that comes my way that I don't have to take accountability for or feel bad for. I'm just like, nah. I'm moving forward. I choose joy. I'm happy to be alive.

SPEAKER_06 5:24

You can't let projections uh get to you like that. Because some people want to project their own issues and what they got going on onto you and your situation. And um And that's not okay. And that's not okay, man. Speaking of projection, man, it's just like another thing that's been like kind of like throwing me off a little bit is just like people's entitlement to your time and attention. You know what I mean? And it's just like I'm speaking from the guise of like, hey, I'm just happy to be here. All right, you know what I mean? All right, just happy to be here. Right, and give me a few. How much time and energy you want to give me, I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_05 5:58

Or I can give you.

SPEAKER_06 5:59

But or but I'm not demanding more of your time and attention. Yeah, yeah. More than what you can give. That's more than what you can give. Yeah. The the the uh putting on the back burner uh analogy is ringing true in my head right now. And yo, it's a blessing to be on the stove. Okay, it's less be cooked, okay? You know?

SPEAKER_05 6:19

Everything's gonna get cooked, especially when everyone's gonna eat. When you look at like people's back burner up front. Like, I think it's it's a situational thing as well as with that. Like, some people got all the time in the world, but I promise you, they probably ain't got much going on. Mm-hmm. They probably don't. So yeah, I bet they do got all the time in the world for you. But for those who do have situations and things going on, the fact that they even make time to spend with you, no matter how much time it is, it should count.

SPEAKER_06 6:47

It should count, it should mean something. And uh again, like entitlement to a person's time and attention is kind of nuts to me.

SPEAKER_05 6:54

Especially when y'all ain't together. I'm just saying. Just saying.

SPEAKER_06 6:58

Um letting you guys know that the thoughts, views, and expression that is heard on this podcast are for entertainment purposes only. This is the Mac Podcast brought to you by, sponsored by, fueled by, empowered by, created by Rude Music Entertainment. Uh and yeah, nah, man, we we we here, man. What's going on, man? What's well let's get into it. We jumping into it. Let's jump into it.

SPEAKER_05 7:18

Ain't no time like the present. You know, I've been uh I was gonna say you got you got the uh the ball in your court tonight, so what's happening?

SPEAKER_06 7:25

You know, I spent a lot of time in my own thoughts, thinking some questions and stuff like that, you know. And um man, there's so many directions I'm gonna go.

SPEAKER_05 7:36

I mean, just pick where you want to start at. You know, we do it in our topics. We got music, we got, you know, personals, we got what you trying to do. You got to leave the night, my brother.

SPEAKER_06 7:45

Reviewing the Drake projects. Okay, we'll start with music. Real quick. Yeah, I'm with that. Uh the Maid of Honor and uh Habidi projects. Um I get that two fresh five packs of butt cheeks. Bruh, um not a fan. Not a fan. Not at all. Harley was a fan of Iceman, but definitely not a fan of the other two. Um it's been about a week, so I really got to sit with Iceman. Yeah, I was just in, I was in uh the the production and the the corners vibe for sure. Lyrically, Bar for Bar was the most bunsiest bars ever had. Besides shebang. Even shebang got some corny sessions.

SPEAKER_05 8:25

I mean, but shebang go comedy.

SPEAKER_06 8:26

But shebang goes.

SPEAKER_05 8:28

For the album.

SPEAKER_06 8:29

Shibang's my joint.

SPEAKER_05 8:30

Shabang's my joint.

SPEAKER_06 8:31

Shibang's my joint, for sure.

SPEAKER_05 8:32

I think Kendrick is living rent-free in his head. And that is the problem. Like Drake gotta. I think that'll forever be the thing. And that's sad because he'll never get back to who he is then. We like Drake, like you, like we talked earlier. You said classic Drake.

SPEAKER_03 8:47

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_05 8:48

We love classic Drake. I mean, this man come out and even if he ain't lived it, he the way he talks about it feels like, you know, it's relatable. He he feels you.

SPEAKER_06 8:56

So it's like Yeah, Jufro uh, Jufro Drake. I love Juke.

SPEAKER_05 9:00

Yeah, man. Like for real though. Like um, empathetic Drake, who wanted to go around and like learn his his culture and his daddy culture and the people culture of different cities and states. And then taking that and and and making that music. I think that's beautiful. I like I love that he can do that. You know what I mean? It makes sense. He's an actor, wheelchair Jimmy. But right now, I don't know. I feel like you know what? This about sounds so crazy. I feel like he's trying too hard to be a rapper, and that's why we can't feel him. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 9:28

That's not a far stretch. So do you think Drake, but like, do you think he's now overheaded to the point that we forget the classic Drake?

SPEAKER_05 9:37

Nah, I mean, luckily Drake, his fans, you know, he he got diehard fans. Like, I just seen some genre uh about academics having a choice between a million dollars and taking a dinner with Drake and he taking the dinner with Drake.

SPEAKER_06 9:51

Oh, he took the dinner with Drake for sure.

SPEAKER_05 9:53

So it's like, um, I don't think he's overly hated. I do think that because he's hated, no one's changed, like they gon' he ain't dropped no heat, man. Like nothing for any, even if you love Drake and you a fan of Drake, he ain't dropped nothing that you can't even argue and debate with the haters about. See what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, there's no there's no footing in it. So it's like, dang. And that sucks for him.

SPEAKER_06 10:21

It really does, man. Um I don't know, I don't think the the Iceman project was the uh bounce back project that everyone thought it was gonna it was.

SPEAKER_05 10:30

I mean, I definitely not, especially when he's dropping three, and then it's like, and remember I said when I listened to the first one, I was like, okay.

SPEAKER_06 10:35

Three all on the same day.

SPEAKER_05 10:36

I'm like, okay, that first one gotta be an alley oop. Right? They had to listen to it, gotta be an alley oop.

SPEAKER_06 10:40

You heard the other two?

SPEAKER_05 10:41

Yeah, I went through and listened to him, and let me tell you something, I ain't finished. I I tried.

SPEAKER_06 10:47

But I just seen, I like like you said, the production and all that cool, but like content-wise, substance-wise.

SPEAKER_05 10:55

He's gonna put it all on Iceman.

SPEAKER_06 10:56

Right. So, like, and listening to that project, man, I was thinking, like, yo, are vibes, the the vibe feeling, is it like ruining the lyrical rap? Because I feel like people are more into like the vibe of the song, like, oh, it has a good beat and uh uh a simple hook that I can understand. So therefore, it's a good song. I'm hearing more and more laziness lyrically. And I and to reflect it upon myself, like even I'm like, okay, like this verse is cool and all, but it's not like you know, some top-tier lyrics is some stuff. And then when I was doing the whole um not a crew thing and the whole real music thing, and one of the feedbacks of my music was, oh, it's too lyrical. Well, that and I think well that I feel like it was vibey and lyrical at the same time.

SPEAKER_05 11:42

Well, we'll see, there you go. Now, you you you know what's crazy? It is very rare to be able to be vibey and lyrical. I'm gonna tell you why. Because the lyrics, while they might be banging bars, if if people people have uh uh, like you said, the vibes. Like people, if they can't retain it, it goes over their head. So then they lose the vibe of it because once they listen to the words, they like, oh, that's a lot of words. And I know that sounds crazy, but to be able to get the vibe and rhyme, that's hard. But I mean, I think you it sucks. The culture we live in is more vibey than than lyrical, you know what I mean? Like as far as with the music. Like, lyrics do exist, lyrics matter. I mean, lyrics matter. Hip hop literally came from lyrics and it combining with a heartbeat, but telling a story. Yeah. Right? Actually using their words. Mm-hmm. So for the fact that people get when you when they say you too barred up, you too lyrical is a crazy sentence to me when it comes to especially insane sentencer. So I I do understand what you're saying, but you know, we know we love a good vibe song. Even if it ain't saying nothing. Like literally, I l I'm I'm on Young Miami right now.

SPEAKER_06 13:05

I know. It's cool if you have like uh a single or two, or is it like a couple of joints on an album? But now it's just like it's mainly vibe music and it's less um lyrical content. And it's just like people will be like, oh man, rappers are running out of things to say, but it's not that. It's just like rappers are not well they're trying to go viral.

SPEAKER_05 13:22

They're trying to go ahead and get those numbers up, you know, and get those views up so like they can get booked for shows and it sucks. They gotta use that.

SPEAKER_03 13:30

The numbers game.

SPEAKER_05 13:31

It's a numbers game. I hate that. And it takes away from like the actual talent. The actual talent, yeah, and the creative in it, you know.

SPEAKER_06 13:38

So did like streaming music and stuff like that get in those numbers? Did it uh did it did it make music worse or did it just expose that most artists aren't really that good?

SPEAKER_05 13:50

I think streaming, um, it like it dirty the waters. It gave it gave too many people opportunity to be able to stream. So like now you can't even find good music.

SPEAKER_06 14:04

Because it's oversaturated.

SPEAKER_05 14:05

Because that's what I was looking for right there. Yeah. Oversaturated, exactly. It it exposed how dumbed down music is, but it also buried the good music without them doing extra stuff to be saturated.

SPEAKER_06 14:17

Extra precautions and stuff like that. Like, I feel like these streaming services should act like it is a music label.

SPEAKER_05 14:24

They should, because technically they kind of are.

SPEAKER_06 14:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 14:27

The new music labels. So like they should put, they should make them, like, these folks just can't drop anything on Spotify. You can't just record something in your bathroom and drop it on Spotify. I don't care if you made the beat or not, it should be clean. It should it should matter. It should have to go through a clearance.

SPEAKER_06 14:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 14:42

And they're not doing that.

SPEAKER_06 14:43

I mean, for the most part, there is a there is a clearance to make sure you're not taking the beats and all that from nobody else.

SPEAKER_05 14:48

But that don't mean that.

SPEAKER_06 14:49

But like, you know, as far as uh judging the quality of the music. That's not happening, and that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_05 14:54

Yeah. Like music labels actually do go.

SPEAKER_06 14:57

And the bots and people buying the streams and buying the bots, you know what I mean? So they can get the biggest. So the numbers not even real.

SPEAKER_05 15:04

And that that's the thing that always has bothered me. Like, you know, I've I've been in situations with people around me who is like, man, look, I know you're trying to do it organically, but like, let us just go ahead and like pay for some bots so like more people will follow. And I just, I'm like, no, that's just not real. That's just not real. And I get I get what it does. And it it does bring more people to you. Right.

SPEAKER_06 15:26

But it's like, oh, this is a legitimate thing. There they go. I guess it's about how bad how you want it.

SPEAKER_05 15:30

How however you want to get it, I guess. Like, I guess it comes down to the person. But yeah, streaming definitely um it has its pros and cons. Yeah. Because streaming also, for us lyricists, for us hip hop heads and for us who make music, it didn't put us on another platform where we could be international without going international. You feel me? It does, if enough people follow your joint and and download it, it does put you in an algorithm that exposes you to new people. So, but that's also this a new this is a new music industry game. It is.

SPEAKER_06 16:05

Yeah, I mean it's it's it's it's tougher. It's um I don't know it because again, like you say, we we are it's like a up uphill battle. It is depending on how you're trying to do it though. Yeah, if you're trying to do it organically, is it's isn't there and both.

SPEAKER_05 16:23

If you're trying to blow up and yeah, do I be torn down?

SPEAKER_06 16:25

Do all do all the numbersing. Do the numbers. But if you try to do it organically, that's an uphill battle I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_05 16:31

If you just making music to be heard though, you know what I mean? Like it I think it depends on if you're trying to get rich, you trying to tour, you trying what are you trying to do with your music?

SPEAKER_06 16:39

Yeah. And then you have to. And a lot of artists don't have like um that vision, goal, ambition in mind. It takes your while to you. When people like, you know, I mean, try to interview me and tell about what um what what rude is. It's like, yeah, man, we're trying to introduce a real and authentic movement to hip hop. I mean, that is what it needs right now. You know what I mean? It needs it needs that kind of like, you know, um that joke to the system. Because we haven't had that in a while, hip-hop-wise. There's not a there's not a musical act out there that may you may you as an artist be like, dang, I gotta step my game up, you know.

SPEAKER_05 17:14

Well see, I I listen.

SPEAKER_06 17:16

This this this hip-hop thing, where he took this hip-hop thing to another level.

SPEAKER_05 17:19

But I can't say that's a good thing.

SPEAKER_06 17:20

I gotta be like, you know what I mean? No, no, no.

SPEAKER_05 17:23

No one's inspiring. But I can't say that for myself, though. But I be I get inspired by a lot of different things. So like even hearing trash music on a heartbeat inspires me to like want to take that beat and do something with it, right? Like Rhapsody, I like the way she did her. I know it's been a minute since we talked about Rhapsody, but she still, you know, she is inspiring. It's it's but there's no one who has gone crazy. Crazy that made me be like, oh, oh no, I'm slipping. Yeah. I'm slipping on my game. That's what I'm talking about. I do agree with that. I haven't had, I ain't heard nobody kirk out like that as far as as far as like rap goes, like R B I can go all day. But rap-wise, but I also think it's because you know, hip hop and RB go hand in hand. And I feel like hip hop and RB lately has been, especially with like mainstream artists, has been separated.

unknown 18:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 18:15

We got a lot of rappers trying to sing on the hooks now instead of just getting the RB artists that can kill their hooks so they can focus on the rapping. Rapping part. Because every rapper can't sing.

SPEAKER_06 18:24

True. True story.

SPEAKER_05 18:26

So I don't know. You know, that's a good question though. Yeah, man. I think it's a double-edged sword, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_06 18:32

And I think another thing that's been oversaturated and like, you know, kind of crazy is the uh reaction streamers. Mm-hmm. Like just random people that you and I don't know. But like, oh, this album is, you know what I mean, having their like mixing in with their own commentary and stuff like that. Like, it's what what is creative about?

SPEAKER_05 18:47

I miss the days of when.

SPEAKER_06 18:49

Like everyone wants to be the Source Mic Awards.

SPEAKER_05 18:51

Exactly. But listen, you know what's crazy about the Source Mic Awards? They didn't just drop the uh the Source uh magazine the minute that the album dropped. No, they actually listened to it. Like it took longer than a day for people to say something was a classic or something was hard. Yeah. Like the reactions drive me insane because the same day it's like. It's like you never you didn't even listen to it. Didn't even listen to it. You just like the beats. Like anybody who likes Iceman, I I'm not, I you know what, Drake, I hope you I you know, I hope you do hear this. For real, I do. I hope someone gets so mad they send it to you because the Iceman album, the only thing hard about it for real, for real, was the production. To me.

SPEAKER_03 19:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 19:32

To me. To me. I I do like the changes. I like I said, but his bars were all pretty much the same on all of it. It was just saying the same things, but moving the the order of it, you know? So I agree with that. Oh my god, I got a Drake fan in my inbox. Oh Lord. I was told we only like one song for real. He was like, chill and pay, make them pay. Tell a story on that. Free. Like free. He said, plot twist is another, make them remember nice too. Make them cry, you know.

SPEAKER_06 20:05

I mean, make them cry was alright. Make them cry was alright. Make them cry was alright.

SPEAKER_05 20:08

I'll give him that.

SPEAKER_06 20:09

I'll give him that. It's no two-skin leather. It's no over my dad body. Exactly. But it was solid. I think it was like number three.

SPEAKER_05 20:17

Are we wrong for expecting that Drake still, though? Maybe that was like the height of where he can go. Where else can he go after those, maybe?

SPEAKER_06 20:28

I mean, I was expecting an elevated Drake. Like, yo, I just got my I just got my ass kicked. Yep. All over.

SPEAKER_05 20:35

I was just saying the elevated take care. And then, like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 20:38

Or elevated um So Far Gone. Oh. Like him go back to the roots to it.

SPEAKER_05 20:46

That would have been so nice.

SPEAKER_06 20:47

That would have been it. But that would have been nice. We got this version of it.

SPEAKER_05 20:52

And then you got the people reacting saying it's the hardest album ever. Lying.

SPEAKER_06 20:55

Oh, fire emojis all over the place, man. And like if I see, and all the chicks love Janice STFU. Like every time I'm I'm like, yo.

SPEAKER_05 21:06

Well, that's a song for the ladies. Gigi, baby. That's a song for the girls, though. That's all I'm gonna do.

SPEAKER_06 21:11

I hear you, but I'm like, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 21:13

You know that. And honestly, that's always gonna be his clutch. He always gonna have one that the ladies gonna like. Yeah, true, sorry. And that's gonna ride it out for him. And even the men who think they hard, they ladies too, because they I'm sure they like that song too. They just don't say it out loud.

SPEAKER_07 21:27

I'm cool with it.

SPEAKER_06 21:28

I'm cool with it. I'm cool with it. I'm cool with it. I'm cool with it. Um right, alright, alright. Because I'm thinking about the whole Trump and the uh reparations.

SPEAKER_05 21:48

Um my god, I'm so glad you brought that up. So glad you brought that up.

SPEAKER_06 21:58

The treasons. I They rewarded treason.

SPEAKER_05 22:02

I don't let nothing.

SPEAKER_06 22:03

They gave money to treason.

SPEAKER_05 22:04

Like these mugs are terrorists.

SPEAKER_06 22:06

They ran up on a government based on the money back from that.

SPEAKER_05 22:10

Like they ran up on the White House, bruh. They ran up and they hurt you. They worked in the White House. They literally attacked Americans, so they are terrorists. What do you mean? Domestic terrorists got $1.8 billion. And the way he flipped it is crazy to me. It's like the police was wrong for actually doing their job because they did the job against folks that look like them. Like these them the mugs who ran up in there was was the same ones who voted for him and got upset because he didn't do what he said he was gonna do. So they was like, we gonna run up. And they literally they climbed over. Like he rewards them. What are we supposed to do? Like I feel we're so.

SPEAKER_06 22:52

And then I see a lot of people in our community talk about reparations. Like, oh, that can happen, but we are adding like a reparation. We gotta stop that. Stop.

SPEAKER_05 22:59

We gotta be our own reparations. I'm I'm sorry. It's it's too many times we don't get smacked in the face.

SPEAKER_06 23:04

And then it's just like I'm thinking about all like the low-hanging fruits that we we we we grasp at as a culture and as a community in this country. And I'm like, yo, are we confusing like the the representation? Because everyone's like talking about, oh, this is the Obama years, Obama, Obama years, and stuff like that. I'm like, yo, that was just a representation. Was that actually actual progress? Because we took two steps forward in that, the pay, the uh the way it was like portrayed in that time. It's like, oh, we're progressive, we're moving forward as a country. Then Obama's administration came to an end after eight years, and we went four steps backwards. So was it really like was that representation really progress though? But that's the right thing. To see where we're at right now.

SPEAKER_05 23:47

It was progress, because no matter what, we've never had a president that looked like us. I don't care. I don't care. That gave people kids, especially the idea and dream that they too can do it. Seriously. But I do think when it comes to like politics, was he, he's a president. They get control. We already know. They barely have they have this much control.

SPEAKER_06 24:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 24:07

You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_06 24:07

But they can only do so much.

SPEAKER_05 24:09

I do think he did good with um. But Trump can sure do a lot. Like, like the Obama care, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_06 24:14

No, no, but Trump can sure do a lot.

SPEAKER_05 24:16

Yeah, and everybody paying damn how much in gas and how everybody uh Obama can do all this, but Trump can sure do whatever the hell he wants. Uh prices didn't go up with Obama, you know what I mean? We weren't complaining about gas, you feel me? I mean, if you look at it, if you're doing comparisons like that, like I don't think any president is perfect.

SPEAKER_06 24:34

But no, of course not.

SPEAKER_05 24:37

Whatever. I think Trump is doing the worst. Like, reparations? Like them getting payback because the police didn't keep them out. They should have never been trying to get up in there. When a woman was trying to turn around at the White House uh with ice and all that there, and her and her her her her uh partner was in the car, she ended up getting killed. Mm-hmm. Ain't no reparations for that because she didn't deserve it. No. She was trying to turn around. In order to turn around, she couldn't back up because clearly must have been a car behind her, so she gotta pull forward so she can have enough room. I'm just saying, and she dead now. I don't see no reparations for that.

SPEAKER_06 25:14

Mm-hmm. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 25:15

But all these little rednecks talking about because they can't get no job, it's hard for them. Boo hoo. It's people still locked up for marijuana, and it is legal. Yeah. Trump, Trump trying to what we talked about. You say it's it's creating division. That's his whole plan.

SPEAKER_06 25:33

And then it's like no with the um division being thing, it's like uh I feel like we have the wrong things being promoted to us like luxury culture. I feel like that cooked an entire generation of us.

SPEAKER_05 25:44

Oh, yeah. You see how proms are now.

SPEAKER_06 25:46

Yeah, you know what I mean? So like, you know, like you don't know, they treat like proms, like these kids' proms like like it's uh presidential event.

SPEAKER_05 25:52

What are they gonna do when they get married?

SPEAKER_06 25:54

Exactly. They don't have the wedding. They done had it already at prom. That's crazy work to me. That's crazy work to me. Um luxury culture is a thing. It's yeah, it's a thing, and I think it's it's an irresponsible thing for the black uh candidates.

SPEAKER_05 26:09

It is though, it is. It'll play. We already was in in enticed by the chains and you know, getting certain things like to make like a big thing.

SPEAKER_06 26:17

Now it's a birkin bag. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 26:18

The tail parts like and all that. And it's cool if you can afford it, but like a lot of people just to keep up with the Joneses and the image, they they'll therefore go paying their rent just to make sure they got that. Because they say it's gonna create my image, gonna create something else for me to get more money. So like luxury culture definitely, definitely mess us up. Or maybe it's just us trying to do too much to keep up.

SPEAKER_06 26:44

We don't.

SPEAKER_05 26:45

I don't see no other culture doing all that besides like all that, you know, people overseas and stuff like that. But that's just they like that. Like the the Pakistans and Indians, like who got money in, like, I watch Dubai.

SPEAKER_06 26:55

And the culture is different, then the politics is different, the networking is different.

SPEAKER_05 26:58

I watched Dubai Blink and all that. Like, that's what this is that the way they live from the beginning. Like, the minute they come out the wound, they already living like that. That's cool for their culture. That's what they're used to. But for us, I I just feel like we we gotta do all that.

SPEAKER_06 27:11

No, we don't. We gotta do all that. Um and it's just like, you know, I feel like everyone's just like, I feel like the community in itself is kind of disappearing because everyone's so focused on individual success because of luxury culture. It all ties in together.

SPEAKER_05 27:26

Well, yes, it is.

SPEAKER_06 27:27

I don't know, man.

SPEAKER_05 27:28

You know, it does. I I think our community, we always gonna have an upward battle because of how it got torn apart. You know what I'm saying? Like, I know a lot of people are like, we gotta get past that, but it isn't it's it it's generational for a reason. So it's like, what do we do to fix that? We gotta stop. Like I agree, like we gotta come back. Individual success is a thing because so many of us are like crabs in the bucket. So many of us will act like we're happy for somebody when they give us good news, but like literally be jealous of them on the inside, and when you go home, you talking joint. You won't even care. That energy is terrible. Like we don't root each other on for real, for real. Unless you really rock with them, you know what I mean, in the inner court, but like outside of that looking in, a lot of us don't root for each other, and that's sad.

SPEAKER_06 28:16

And a lot of us, like, you know what I'm saying, when it comes to regards of assistance and help, you know what I mean? Like a lot of like a lot of people are prideful because of that, and because they don't want that um stigma put on. They don't want the uh, oh, I did this before you have that be thrown back in their face. But I feel like if you're people, I mean if you're someone that really wants to help somebody, like thought, like the fact that you were like keep tabs on that. It's crazy. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_05 28:38

You didn't want to help you keep you helped keep tabs.

SPEAKER_06 28:40

Like you, yeah, you helped to keep tabs. So you're not really helping, you're manipulating the situation. Exactly. And you're manipulating me. So are you really helping me or are you manipulating me? And also, though, the problem And are you helping me just kind of like you know, feed your own ego or what?

SPEAKER_05 28:54

And also, a lot of people who actually are there for you, um, they don't they don't put it out on the internet, they don't like mouse and brag. So it's not really talked about. But the ones who do it looking for something back, they go crazy on the internet. Like, look what I did, I got my people, I'm always gonna hold my people down. It seems like it's it's like dope. It's like all that's dope that you do it for your people. It's good to see. But then a year later you hear about how like now they beefing, they don't fail out. And I get all this for you, all that for you. So it's it's it's it's scary times. It's scary times when it comes to trusting people.

SPEAKER_06 29:29

Um these little questions of mine.

SPEAKER_05 29:33

I ain't belong to questions.

SPEAKER_06 29:37

Alright. That's a mature part of the show. Yeah. For those who are familiar with this platform, maybe you're not familiar with this platform, man. Like, you know, we we have fun here at the Man Podcast. I mean, I definitely do.

SPEAKER_05 29:51

I think we do a little bit of everything. That's why I'm gonna do it.

SPEAKER_06 29:52

I really am both. I feel like I'm well rounded. I admit my flaws. I speak to you guys a flawed man for sure.

SPEAKER_05 30:00

You know, I think we work through our flaws.

SPEAKER_06 30:02

You know what I mean? So uh for any of those out there of sensitive nature, please uh exit the show. Hey, good to have you. See you next week when we're gonna be mature and thoughtful and speak profound point of views.

SPEAKER_05 30:17

If you sensitive, stay so you can get unsensitive. Because this is real life. This is real life.

SPEAKER_06 30:22

Because now I'm about to get in my toxic. The streets love toxic, I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 30:29

Now, before you do toxic, I think you should do a music break. Cause you know we gotta prolong our time. So you gotta give toxic songs to go into the toxic segment. I'm just saying, this is what we do. Like what's a good toxic song? Okay, hold on three.

SPEAKER_06 30:42

Give me one, give me one, give me one.

SPEAKER_05 30:44

Future is toxic. Oh, of course. Oh, any future song. Uh two, and same, uh, huh? Uh, what's the name? Same damn time. Same damn time. Let's get toxic. Hey, why think toxic, I think future. I ain't gonna hold it. Terrible.

SPEAKER_06 31:06

Oh, wait, nah, man. This oh, future got some bangers, so nothing. Yeah, he actually do.

SPEAKER_05 31:10

No, no, he actually really is a great artist. I really I really I I like his music.

SPEAKER_06 31:15

This dude got some some shade, man. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 31:19

Hold on, see? I'm having a hard time picking one. I think that's the perfect person to lead into our toxic segment. And he would love it. He doesn't mind.

SPEAKER_06 31:28

He doesn't mind.

SPEAKER_05 31:29

He doesn't. He called me last night and was like, be toxic with my music. Allegedly. Manifest.

SPEAKER_12 36:13

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When you go, chick, chick, chip, chip, yeah, yeah, yeah. To the home, chick, chick, chick, chick, yeah. To the home, chick, chick, yeah. Chick, chick, chick, chick, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:38

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Woke up and hit the dope. Yeah, I'd have made it the good lord and gave me your whole nother 24. I get you bitches in malleable making the movie, this shit here, the movie's go. Hit the weed, drink the drink up and do the blow. Tell me if you was stutter, was you would hope. Fuck it, I love them boat. Baby mama hit mistress nut in the boat. Rack a five, baby bitches, boy try support. Rack that ice in the face, then I rock a boat. Let me post up at your place and drop the blow. Let me post up at your place and catch a beat. That you slide in this DM freaky shit. Now I wonder if I ever pushed you with no shit. Would you ever send me a whipy up? Yeah, you would speak it beat. How many legs up? Yeah, how many jigs up? Yeah, how many dicks up? Bitch, I don't wanna know. Girl this set up for shit, you've been raping for. Fuck some rich niggas fucked up the time before. Bitch, your heart was already broke. I picked it up off the flops. So I can't be responsible. This shit was not to know. I was thinking about picking it in and just keeping one bitch, but that shit was the logical. Once I get up a nigga get lit up, I might hit your bitch up. I can't make no promise. So many bitches got niggas investing it. Don't make no system it don't make no dollars. So once I get up a nigga get lit up, I might fuck a break up. I can't make no promise. So how many leaks I got? How many trips I'll how many bricks up? Have me my piss, though. Don't forget that like by the wind, though. I'ma pull up when I see the signal. I take care of the killers, I'm kidding, though. If you ain't cut the shit, what you still if you run up for me, then you tweak it, bitch. If don't come back around, you can keep it bitch. I done hitches get on the internet, try me like sign. I'm still undefeated, bitch. You a hump and you rock, then you tweak it, bitch. Suckin' on the wrong dick, you ain't eat it, bitch. Now I'm wondering if I ever caught you a caution, but you ever set me up with me, up yeah, you a speaky, bitch. How many licks up?

unknown 38:11

Yeah, how many tricks up? Yeah, I hit a friend up, yeah. So many tears, so you're the central for you, you be ramble for some rich niggas fucked up the town before.

SPEAKER_02 38:20

Bitch, your heart was already broke. I picked it up on the floor, so I can't be responsible. This shit was optional. Yeah, but optional. Maybe this shit was optional. Yeah, yeah. Like you know I got options up. Yeah, yeah. Maybe this shit was optional. Alright, alright.

SPEAKER_06 38:38

Wake it up, wake it up, wake it up. Alright. If you're still here with us at the Mac Podcast, this is a my favorite segment of the show. Yeah, we got uh we got all the boring stuff out the way.

SPEAKER_05 38:50

That's not boring, first of all.

SPEAKER_06 38:53

No, because this part right here is about to go crazy. Because I had some thoughts throughout this uh throughout this week. Some thoughts that you know some might consider to be a little bit controversial, some might think it's a little a little mush, but hey. It wouldn't be the Mac podcast without that, you know? So gotta say that tell me if you agree or disagree.

SPEAKER_05 39:15

Okay. I can't say nothing Asia besides agree or disagree. Oh, you can say Asia or something. Okay, because that's hard.

SPEAKER_06 39:25

Alright, let's go. Alright. Men are more romantic than women these days in 2026. Agree or disagree.

SPEAKER_05 39:35

Disagree.

SPEAKER_06 39:36

Why?

SPEAKER_05 39:41

I'm just happy men are being romantic again. Okay. Women, believe it or not, are always romantic.

SPEAKER_06 39:49

Oh, I disagree with that.

SPEAKER_05 39:50

Well well, women are. Like, little things like that's romantic to me, but you you mean acts of like outlife out loud service.

SPEAKER_06 40:08

Just in a concept in itself, like thinking mentality, like not even like uh speaking about like, you know, doing the whole dinner, candlelight, you know, uh romantic settings, you know, get the hotel room, get the flowers on the bed and all that good stuff. No, we're talking about like how romance intimacy in itself, how men these days are actually. I know we just did a whole um segment or whole episode talking about the incels, but on the flip side to it, because they're not only incels. There's only like there's some men out there who are generally like, you know, seeing things and trying to experience things from a deeper perspective.

SPEAKER_05 40:42

Okay, and work okay, you know what? Because I just thought about it. I did have a conversation last night with someone who Okay, alright, what are the with one of my male friends who okay, I'll okay, I'll give you this.

SPEAKER_06 40:52

I'm talking in that concept. No, no, not talking actions like, oh, we're going to Paris or anything like that.

SPEAKER_05 40:57

Well you're talking about things that build romance. That build romance. All that all that stuff is cool, but how do you think about it?

SPEAKER_06 41:03

Building the strong foundation. All right, okay.

SPEAKER_05 41:06

I I will say that from what I well, okay, what I will say is this. I I think that things seeming like that, men are getting, some men, not all men, but the men that mount, so the ones who are doing it, I'm talking to you, um, are getting back to that. I do believe that, and yes, it's more than women that are doing it. I also believe in that notion that, isn't that how it's supposed to be though? You know, like if you think about that old school loving, you know, you don't want a woman who who can just like holler at every dude she sees just because she thinks he's fine or she, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's what's happening. That's kind of what's happening. Let me finish, that's where that's what's happening now. Women are being more assertive as far as taking that lead on whatever. But I think it's good that men are getting back to like chasing the woman and not even so much chasing, but like making time for the woman, making it clear, like, you know, I got all this going on, but I am carving out time for you.

SPEAKER_06 42:09

Yeah, but I'm talking about like things like yeah, yeah, in in in the world.

SPEAKER_05 42:11

In that aspect, I think that's I think that's romantic. I think a man who, once you know his situation, you know what I'm saying, and you know that he really doesn't have time for anything. But he supplies you for anything else.

SPEAKER_06 42:23

Or he supports you emotionally. He's emotionally available.

SPEAKER_05 42:25

He's emotionally available for you to pick up the phone, even when he's tired, he's listening to your conversations. Um, he might not be able to take you and wine and dine you, but he like, hey, because he got a house, which is let me tell you something. The ones who being romantic, they come with their own crib, own car, and and with that being said, they're like, I can't take you out tonight because I'm too tired for that, but come to the house and we can we can watch TV cuddle or something. I agree with that. I do think men are getting back. A lot of men.

SPEAKER_06 42:50

Like, like just build intimacy.

SPEAKER_05 42:51

I think a lot of men are trying to get back to that.

SPEAKER_06 42:54

Yeah. I feel that too. Alright, cool, cool, cool. And I feel another another one, agree or disagree. Soft life culture is actually making people lazy.

SPEAKER_05 43:04

No. I think the um people don't okay. That's okay, that's a double is thing. Um soft life culture, first of all. It's lazy culture. It it no, it's not lazy. It does come from somewhere.

SPEAKER_06 43:22

We're not what soft life culture is. It's easy to well for male or female or hey man, soft life or soft life. But soft life never. Soft life means I want someone to provide for me.

SPEAKER_05 43:31

Soft life for men and women are different. So soft life for a woman is her actually being able to fall back and let a man lead. That's why a man lead. A man provide. A man lead. The ones who really the ones who started this were women who were boss women who had was making all this money and realized they were being too hard. So that a man couldn't even leave because they was like, I got it. I don't need that. That's how it started.

SPEAKER_03 43:58

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 43:58

That's how it started. Trickle down to the folks who don't even know you've been you had a soft life all your life because you live with your mama still you're not even paying your bills, you're on section eight. You know what I mean? Like I ain't trying to be funny, but that's where it started. So for women, soft life is supposed to be um having a man that she can be submissive to in a world where she's always having to be dominant. Soft life for men is not having to deal with a woman who thinks she's a man. That's how it should be to me. Okay. Maybe I should say that. Yeah. You should say that. Because that's soft life to me. I see the soft life era like posts and all that, and I that just sounds like when women nowadays, not all women, but when the ones who the post it is like um it's it's like going back to I need a rich man to take care of me. No matter what I bring to the table. No matter. I could bring it to the table. I might not bring nothing, but just I can bring absolutely nothing.

SPEAKER_06 44:57

But I want you to take care of me. Because I look good. That's all I'm bringing to the table.

SPEAKER_05 45:02

And that's where soft life has gone.

SPEAKER_06 45:04

And a nice body.

SPEAKER_05 45:05

That's where it has gone. And dudes being like. I ain't too mad at soft life for dudes, though.

SPEAKER_06 45:12

And I got a good body. What is a soft life for dudes?

SPEAKER_05 45:14

Well, the ones who I've seen doing it, like they're saying their soft life is like um pretty much like, you know, uh she can take me out too. I don't have to pay every single time. Um That's courtesy, man.

SPEAKER_06 45:30

That's just more a courtesy thing. Like, yo, like, yeah, if I get taken out by someone, oh man, that's super nice. Like, I appreciate it. But it happens.

SPEAKER_05 45:37

It happens. It happens. That's why men, uh men, it's new for men to be saying that soft life era as of now. Women have been on there a little longer. You know what I mean? But for a man, I think that's what it's supposed to look like to him. But honestly, that's what what I feel and what I don't know what it is now. I think everybody, I think a lot, this generation just soft, period. Yeah. You gotta argue with men who live in a house full of women and take the trash out. And don't ask them to wash their own dishes, Lord Jesus. And that's a vice versa, you know what I'm saying? Like I think roles, I don't this about to sound bad. Uh, gender roles, you know, everybody was like, we gotta be on the same play field, right? You know, men and women, we need to be. And and when it comes to jobs and stuff like that, I agree. Right. But I do feel like when it comes to like, like me, I'm a lesbian. I don't want men in no way, shape, or form sexually, but I do expect men to protect me when I'm around them. Um, I don't take the trash out if I'm the only guy uh masculine presenting one in the house. But if a man's around, I do think they should take the trash. I don't want to carry everything just because I can. So if men are around, you know what I'm saying? So that's what I look at it as it as, but people don't like them gender roles.

SPEAKER_03 46:58

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 46:58

But then they want the gender roles. Yeah. So that's soft life. What do you think on? What's your take on it? Because you asked the question.

SPEAKER_06 47:04

I mean, okay, like, again, I already told you my uh Yeah, but they need to know. No, no, no. Yeah, I already told my point of view of what I think, like, you know, the soft life is. I'm thinking like um, I'm just reacting to the internet things, you know what I mean? Uh but what do you think about it? As far as like what it originally came from, like women who are like very, very successful, like, you know, being the leader and the masculine one or the one that's in charge, like having them want to kick back and kind of like, you know, not bear so much responsibility. I respect that. Like, yeah, like, you know, of course, like you need to, you know, fall back and be led. Even though, like, we're not make even if you're making more money than me and X, Y, and Z. None of that matters because there are certain situations, but yeah, like you need to fall back and do that. I'm all for that. I'm not all for just like, you know, you just around pretty and thick, and I'm just paying for everything because you're pretty and pretty and thick. That's crazy to me.

SPEAKER_05 47:57

Right. No, that's that's um that's nuts to me. That actually doesn't make any sense because, honey, you better hope that lasts.

SPEAKER_06 48:03

Yeah, for for decades. You better hope that lasts. And it doesn't last.

SPEAKER_05 48:06

It typically, I mean, we naturally just chat.

SPEAKER_06 48:09

Time happens to everybody.

SPEAKER_05 48:11

But see, that's another thing, though, with that soft life air where it gets a little toxic because they do that so they can get. And this is now no longer talking about the women who are successful. These are the women and people who are just saying it. So like now they want to land somebody with money just so they can get their body done. Yeah. Which is so crazy to me. I get it, and I'm not knocking nobody. Like, I understand women who don't have kids wanting to get their breasts done, because you know, breastfeeding does take that away. Um, I don't really know what that looks like for men, besides the crazy things I've heard. Like, I don't think it's nothing wrong with a man wanting to add height to themselves, but like, it's not real. Yeah. And you gotta tell her you did that because she has kids with you and you started out at 5'5, and now you're 5'8. Well, your child's still gonna be 5'5.

SPEAKER_06 48:58

What happened? You know, I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 49:07

So, honestly, I think the soft life era, we need to get rid of that.

SPEAKER_06 49:11

No, we do. We need to get rid of that title.

SPEAKER_05 49:13

We need to get rid of that title. You know what? Thinking about it, it just needs to go.

SPEAKER_06 49:16

It does.

SPEAKER_05 49:17

I think we just need to focus on finding the people who are meant for us versus looking for this.

SPEAKER_06 49:24

Just get to the reality of life, man. It's like who, if when when all this, when all this crumbles and falls, because it will. Because it will, who are you with that can like know what to do to kind of like adapt to the situation that we're gonna be in? And you feel comfortable in that position, like, well, I'm my best chance of survival is with this person, but this person is a good person. Yep. That we're connecting as people.

SPEAKER_05 49:48

And I know that they got me no matter what. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 49:51

Yeah, that that part.

SPEAKER_05 49:52

Like either they ain't got nothing. Whenever I need something, somehow they find a way to get it.

SPEAKER_06 49:55

Somehow they find a way, or they're or they're not a burden on me.

SPEAKER_05 49:59

Exactly. I agree with that. So we gotta come up with a name for that. We're gonna call it. That's our job.

SPEAKER_06 50:05

All right, another another agree or disagree. That's a good question. Let's go. Another agree or disagree. Protecting your peace is just selfishness rebranded.

SPEAKER_05 50:13

Disagree. Okay, let me know. Disagree. Let me know. It is not selfish to protect your peace. Now, you can come off as selfish if you're someone who no matter what. But see, I can't even say that.

SPEAKER_06 50:31

Some people like, no, the slightest inconvenience could pop up, but they'll cut somebody off just in the name of protecting their peace.

SPEAKER_05 50:37

Okay, exactly. So that's why I was going with that. And see, now that's the same.

SPEAKER_06 50:40

That's someone that you are going through ongoing battles and struggles with. There's you know, you know what I mean? Like you, you, you put everything, you did everything you can to compromise and work with the person, and it just does it's not working out. Exactly. That's not selfishness. That's not selfish. I'm talking about the slightest inconvenience. Like uh uh you missed a link up, someone, like you had plans and the person, like, you know, something happened and the person wasn't able to show up, or they asked to reschedule, or you're cutting that person off because, you know, to protect your peace. I find that to be extremely selfish and self-centered and inconsiderate.

SPEAKER_05 51:17

Yeah, I I can see all that. You know what I mean? But yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, when it comes down to like- I feel like I'm being put on the back burner to I gotta go.

SPEAKER_06 51:24

And you're we're done.

SPEAKER_05 51:27

But see, that's why I say when it comes to protecting peace, like I can't say what somebody else's piece looks like in order for me to say that they shouldn't protect that. You know what I'm saying? Like, I know what it looks like for me, and being around some of my folks, talking to them, I know what you know it looks like for them in a sense. But like for people who do stuff like that, that might be what they need. Okay. And it is what it is. I think you you have to be a little selfish to protect your piece. You do though, because you gotta you gotta put yourself first to protect it. You do.

SPEAKER_06 51:57

Yeah, no. I'm here. I'm here.

SPEAKER_05 52:00

Yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_06 52:01

Yeah.

unknown 52:01

Alright.

SPEAKER_05 52:03

It just like some folks who like decide to protect their peace for all the wrong reasons. Let them be peacefully alone. Okay? Silence.

SPEAKER_06 52:13

You got it. You got it. Um Alright, another one, another one, another one. No, I like this, I like this, I like this, like this. I think uh when someone is too available for as like, you know, presence and time-wise, uh, like, you know, like uh when a lot of these chicks be picking these bum ass dudes because they're just available all the time. I find that to be unattractive.

SPEAKER_05 52:33

As it should.

SPEAKER_06 52:34

Being too available is actually unattractive. Someone like, you know, someone who's on call, on demand all the time, whenever you want to on the whim, then you just hit them up and they're like, oh, okay, yeah, I'm here.

SPEAKER_07 52:45

What will you want to da da da?

SPEAKER_05 52:46

Like no matter when you hit them up. No matter Day and night, yeah. Yeah. At that point, you do, that's when questions matter, I think. You know, it's like, why are you just available? You know what I'm saying? Like, for real, because some folks, you know, like me. I I it seems like I'm always available because I don't do the whole clock in, clock out thing, but I'm not always available because I find my own way to get money, so you know what I'm saying, like it's different. But some folks who just always available, and you ask them like why, and they can't give you no answer, or they or they don't say I'm gonna trust one baby, child, be scared. Be scared. Run. Yep. They ain't got nothing else to focus on.

SPEAKER_06 53:21

But that's another thing, yo. I was just like, really. That is scary. Hey, yo, nah, man, because there's a chick I follow on Instagram, man. Like, this girl is crazy, man. But, anyways, she was talking about or sharing some clip or mean about being obsessed. Like, I want my man obsessed with me. And I hate that narrative. If you want someone who's obsessed with you, you want someone who's a loser. Who's needy? Hey, that person's a loser. They have nothing, you mean someone that has nothing else going on in their life but you. You want that? That's crazy to me. I feel like that is the narcissism for me. It's the egotism for me. It's the delusions of grandeur to me.

SPEAKER_05 54:05

I think that comes from them messing with folks who kind of made them feel like they weren't, they were just an option. So they're like, you know, what's the opposite of that?

SPEAKER_06 54:15

What's wrong with being an option? But you also know that.

SPEAKER_05 54:19

And you also know people who say, I want you to be obsessed with me, are the ones who become obsessed with you. True story. So it's scary both ways.

SPEAKER_06 54:27

It's scary both ways. But like, no. I don't want that. If I'm an option, I'm like, okay, cool, I'm an option. I could be selected. It's there. I could be an option or I could be not an option at all.

SPEAKER_05 54:40

I can you, or you know, I can just be a dog and be like, okay, I'm an option. But if I want to change it, if I want to change it, I would do something to change it. I ain't gonna be obsessed with you. I'm not gonna yet. Yeah, that obsesses you're gonna be able to do it. I'm not, yeah, that obsession is crazy. Now, I will tell you the truth though. I do understand infatuation.

SPEAKER_06 54:55

Infatuation is cool.

SPEAKER_05 54:57

Infatuation and obsession though are almost a fine line.

SPEAKER_06 55:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 55:00

You know what I'm saying? Like, because you when you affect me.

SPEAKER_06 55:02

But yeah, no, I'm into you. I'm feeling it.

SPEAKER_05 55:04

And every time I see, you know what I mean? Even when you're around, like not around, I'm thinking about you like that.

SPEAKER_06 55:09

Yeah, that's cool. I'm gonna hit you up, text you, hey, thinking about you, hope you're having a good day. Whoop do whoop touch.

SPEAKER_05 55:15

I'm not finna.

SPEAKER_06 55:16

But on your line all the time, I'm texting you and not walking away. I'm like, and I'm like living in your skin.

SPEAKER_05 55:23

Like literally texting you and waiting, like not doing nothing until you text me back. My whole day comes to a few.

SPEAKER_06 55:28

Yeah, for you text me back.

SPEAKER_05 55:29

Like I ain't making plans with nobody because I don't know when you're gonna hit me up. Oh no, that's wild. And I'm too available. Anybody who wants that type of person. There's something wrong with you. Sorry.

SPEAKER_06 55:39

There is something wrong with you. There is something wrong with you.

SPEAKER_05 55:44

It's trauma. It's trauma.

SPEAKER_06 55:45

To seek some help, dig deep trauma. Some shadow work.

SPEAKER_05 55:48

You want somebody that is in love with you. You do want somebody who makes you feel desirable. Yeah, of course. Someone who thinks about you throughout the day.

SPEAKER_06 55:54

I want I want some of the things that you're talking about. But the whole thing going on. Just have your own thing going on.

SPEAKER_05 56:00

It's not healthy to even not have your own thing.

SPEAKER_06 56:02

And just respect my own thing that's going on. Oh my God.

SPEAKER_05 56:05

That's it, right?

SPEAKER_06 56:06

That's it, right?

SPEAKER_05 56:06

A lot of people can't do that.

SPEAKER_06 56:08

A lot of people can't respect the fact that, yo, man, this person got a lot going on. And so therefore, like, I'm, but I'm gonna take it personal and add more to that person's plate by saying, hey, I feel left out. You know what's even crazy? That's crazy to me.

SPEAKER_05 56:21

Before they even get with you, they be around you and they know you got the situation going on. Then they like start kicking with you, and now they think they're special enough to like, now you gotta change your whole world for them. But they already knew what you had going on, so it's like you knew you had to fit in somewhere. You knew that. So how you mad at what you already know?

SPEAKER_06 56:41

Yeah. Or if someone gets with you or they they see how you move and how you live your life beforehand, yeah. And they want to judge you about how you was living your life beforehand when they, you know what I mean, that don't make any sense. I'm the worst, though. I'm the worst. We're not talking about anybody specifically, of course.

SPEAKER_05 56:56

Oh no. You well, they know because if any of the for our long-term listeners, if we were, what do y'all know about him?

SPEAKER_06 57:04

I would air it out.

SPEAKER_05 57:05

He's gonna say that.

SPEAKER_06 57:07

I would drop that. Oh, shout out to stage, man. She tapped in with me, dog. For real. You know, she tapped in with me.

SPEAKER_07 57:12

She was like, oh my god, you was talking about me on your podcast. I was like, So she listened finally. Yeah, someone sent her an episode.

SPEAKER_06 57:19

Someone took her job. But I was like, yo, that was mild. I know how you do a rude episode.

SPEAKER_05 57:26

She didn't listen to them. How rude episodes? But now we gotta give her props because bring her up since she listen and knowing what we know, and you know, that's my girl too. You better stay away from that. You walked away from it, you got out of that toxic, ugly situation. Stay out of it. That dude's a whole lot. Don't go back. Oh, peasant. Man, this dirty.

SPEAKER_06 57:45

R. Kelly ass. Anywho, you got some more. I definitely got some more. I know you. Alright, so quick question. What is worse? Born sex or toxic chemistry? Ain't they both the same? No. You can have toxic chemistry and the sex be great. You can have born sex and the chemistry be amazing.

SPEAKER_05 58:05

You're actually right.

SPEAKER_06 58:06

Um So which one is worse? What is the worst situation?

SPEAKER_05 58:08

But what makes the chemistry toxic?

SPEAKER_06 58:11

They like they know you what what antagonizes you. And you know what antagonizes them, and y'all just antagonized them. And y'all use it just to like just to ask thrill and excitement.

SPEAKER_05 58:23

Um, born sex. Now that I understand. I have nothing to go off of besides. I have nothing to add to that. Born sex. I'm not playing them games. Life too hard.

SPEAKER_07 58:41

I've crying.

SPEAKER_06 58:44

What's your answer? No, no, same.

SPEAKER_03 58:51

Yeah, born sex, bro. I can answer that one.

SPEAKER_06 58:53

That shit is trash right there. Um, okay, so scenario. Alright. You see a friend cheating, are you obligated to tell their partner?

SPEAKER_05 59:04

Oh, no. Time out. Nope. What I am obligated to do is tell my friend. Like, bruh, or homie, homegirl, sis, you trying to. If I see you, other people see you. So like, like, you know what I'm saying? They outside with it, especially. I'ma talk to them about it. And if and if they have a good partner as well, I'm gonna talk to them about it. But no, I'm not gonna tell the partner because they probably not my friend. I'm loyal to my people, you know what I mean? But I also will correct them when they're wrong because if that you get caught, then I don't wanna hear nothing when your that person acting crazy. Okay. But I ain't telling them. Unless we both like now, it get deep when you friends with both. Right.

SPEAKER_06 59:50

Now that what it do, what it do, what it do.

unknown 59:57

I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 59:59

You're between a rock and a hard place.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:00

Yeah, when you both, when you friends with both of them. So like I guess, I don't know. That one's tough. When you think about from that aspect. If I'm friends with one and one only, I'll just get on them like, man, you gotta be better than that. You gotta, you know, at least break it off so you don't get caught up. But if friends with both of them, now that's another look. What would you do? I'm gonna ask you that one with if you're friends with both of them.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:23

Cause that's a thing. I've been in that situation. And I feel bad that, you know, I didn't say anything. Uh because like I was comparing things to like, all right, who had more time invested with me, type of thing. Like, even though, like, yeah, I like, you know, I like I like the I like my homeboy's homegirl. Like, you know, she was like a solid person, you know what I mean? And it was just like I felt bad that my boy was dogging her out, but I also knew every aspect of the relationship. Like, so you understand where it came from. I understood where it came from, but I still disagree with the dude doing it. Yeah. But like I made sure, I made sure that I told, you know what I mean, like, you know, I gave my lecture too, but at the same time, I'm like, because I was like, yo, you putting me in a compromising situation. Because once it comes out, she's hella cool, bro. Like, you know what I mean? She's actually a friend, friend of mine. Like, you, you know what I mean? Like, like, it was, you know what I mean? It was like, yo, it's a the tree. I was the third wheel. You know what I mean? So I'm just like, crazy world, yeah. I'm over here just like, ah, man, y'all putting me, you putting me in a crazy position right now.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:23

I think in that position, after hearing that too, I I think the only thing you can do if you're friends with both of them, is go to the person who is doing, like, you know, the cheating and let them know, like, I don't want to be caught up in this, so like, you got a week to like cut this all, tell them or something. I promise you, because I ain't trying to be caught up in this. Cause I don't, you know what I'm saying? It's not fair to the person in between the two. No, it's not. You know what I'm saying? It's not, it's not. And it's also like they what they're gonna say is it ain't your business. What it what you should have left me away from it. You should have cheated in peace. Cheated in peace. Don't make me a part of it. Let me get out of here. Yeah, I'm an accomplice.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:59

That's wild. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Exactly, exactly, exactly. Okay, okay, all right, cool. I got some more. He wants more. Come on.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:08

I like this. You know, I won't prepare for him, so I enjoy it.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:10

Bet. So I think high standards isn't realistic anymore.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:16

What? Okay, so standards are a good.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:18

Standards are a thing, but high standards. Okay. Oh, I want my man, I want someone who makes this amount of money every year. Oh, I want someone who got X, Y, and Z. Like unrealistic.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:28

What if you make the amount of money per year that you're asking for the person to meet you with? You're not. But but most, um, I'm just saying, what is.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:36

No, some people out there putting in 35 to 45 bands a year want someone who has six uh who has to get a few years.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:44

And yes, we know those exist. But let's talk about the ones who actually are making this amount of money. Okay. Six figures. They say I want a six figure person.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:52

Okay, you gotta understand that's very limited options because it's not that many people just walking around here making six figures a year.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:59

I really find your people again, huh? That'd be in the right rooms. I don't know. I don't think high standards are bad. I just think that, you know.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:06

I'm not saying bad, I'm saying realistic.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:08

I don't think it's I don't think it's unrealistic. It's just the you know, you might be waiting a while for that. You might have to go through a lot of folks to get that. Mm-hmm.

unknown 1:03:19

That person might not even ever come and hear you.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:22

I think that love is love, but you should know what you want and what you don't want.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:27

Yeah, I mean, hey, man. The universe don't listen to don't.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:31

So you don't have what you don't have any standards.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:34

Don't exist to the universe.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:35

You don't have any standards when it comes to what you're looking for. I mean you get that. So what are your standards?

SPEAKER_06 1:03:39

They're not high standards. They're very basic.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:42

Well, let's see. What are they?

SPEAKER_06 1:03:43

I'm talking about people like as a human being.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:46

But I'm talking about your standards. What are yours for like the person you're looking for? Oh, but we're gonna be able to do that. If you get it, just give me two. Like, I mean, honestly, it's not even a person like settle down while it's like the person who you even No, no, settle down. Like, what are standards that you want with anybody you're talking to? Just give me two. Peaceful and hilarious. Okay, everybody not funny. True story. Definitely not hilarious. Yeah. You don't think that's a high standard? That's not a high standard. But I would say hopefully she got a few.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:13

A lot of people got good humor.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:15

No, they don't. If that's the case, we wouldn't be talking about these sensitive folks. True story. Okay. So Dang. Yeah. No, I just ain't think about peaceful. Peaceful, I agree with it.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:27

But being funny is a high standard.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:29

I mean, it's a standard that's not gonna be across the board.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:32

I mean, but a lot of people are funny though.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:35

It's 50-50. Okay. It's 50-50. Okay, but besides that, like what else? Does she have to have a job or does she have to have some form of income?

SPEAKER_06 1:04:49

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, like, uh, yeah, just a job. You know what I mean? You ain't gotta make like six figures or something like that, but like just again, have some ambitions in life. That's just like not focused on your relationships.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:00

So see, that's what I'm saying. I I think standards are just it is what it is for the person. If a if a woman looking for or dude want somebody who's making a certain amount of money, well then don't don't go to the club that's not even an upscale club. Anybody can get in looking for a six-figure person.

unknown 1:05:18

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:19

You know what I'm saying? I think you if you have them type of standards, you should go where them standards reside.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:25

Okay, okay, okay. So dating is hard, but who do you think has it harder?

SPEAKER_05 1:05:33

Between what? What do we mean between male? But male and female?

SPEAKER_06 1:05:36

Yeah, yeah, who has it harder?

SPEAKER_05 1:05:40

I think it's hard on both ends, dog. I don't even think that's a like I don't you can't even break that down, no.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:48

Can't break that down.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:49

No, it's hard on all levels. Men men are are ass, and so are women at this day and day. So, like, you gotta find the ones that are good.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:56

So, with that being said, I got a clip for us. Okay. It's a five minute clip, folks. We're gonna listen to this whole thing and we're going to react to this. So my guy over here was cooking.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:08

Could your father actually survive modern dating? Like put your father on Tinder in 1987 at the age of 18 and then put your mother on Instagram and put both of them inside of a world where thousands of people are permanently visible at all times, and everybody's comparing their relationship to everybody else's, and attention is currency, and exhaustion is extremely normal, and people are psychologically on all day long. Could they actually survive that environment? I'm not saying this to disrespect older generations or anybody over the age of 30. I'm saying this because most people don't realize that older dating advice was built on invisible structures that no longer exist. People didn't have better values back in the day. That's what they have: more stable communities, less comparison, less visibility, less audience pressure, less emotional surveillance, less romantic abundance, less algorithmic temptation, less psychological overload, and only have different economic conditions. That part matters because people keep talking about dating culture like it appeared out of nowhere. But a lot of dating culture is economic expression. The 70s dating model sounds contradictory now because it existed under different material conditions. You could still build a life on one income in large parts of America. Communities were more physically rooting. People expected continuity. The future felt materially reachable. So relationships were allowed to feel heavier socially because life had more life was literally more stable economically. Then the 80s days, the confidence provider model worked because the economy still allowed people to believe in upward motion. And honestly, the 80s probably were one of the last generations that truly understood stanzity before digital abundance exploded. You could actually disappear into your relationship. I'm trying to tell you what was going on back then. You weren't psychologically competing with thousands of people every day. Your partner wasn't carrying an entire social marketplace in their pocket at all times. And then guess what happens? 98. The economy looks ball. The future looks bright. The script gets even bolder. Fire soulmates, build forever, retire together, follow your heart. And a lot of people inherited versions of the future they themselves were never actually going to receive. So by the 2000s, you could already feel the structure straining. Jobs become less stable, housing gets harder, debt rises, economic pressure increases, but the whole relationship script is still running. And now potential becomes a major dating category. A woman can hear a man's job title and immediately start populating survivability. That's what happens right now. A man starts tying his work to economic usefulness because the environment itself is becoming more unstable. And this is where resilience starts mutating, because relationships do not exist outside of material reality. A lot of men started blaming women for economic pressures women did not create. And a lot of women started distrusting men who themselves were struggling in order. Ooh, you understand, who they themselves were struggling under collapsing structures. Right? That's what happened. Now everybody's carrying economic anxiety directly into intimacy, and then social media hits on top of that. Everybody's continuously visible, continuously reachable, continuously comparable. And dating advice never really caught up. So if you were born in the 90s, you probably got caught some version of this. Man up. Be confident. Lead. Don't be emotional. Play it cool. Don't talk too fast. Don't lead me. Pursue her. Women want stability. Just go talk to her. Okay? Now watch what happens when you put that script inside of modern dating. Play it cool. Guess what that becomes? Emotional unavailability. Don't touch too fast. Guess what that turns into? Anxiety and confusion. Leave. Guess what that becomes? You're controlling. Pursue her. Guess what that turns into. You're doing too much. Don't be emotional. It's those two people and the two people sitting quietly now trying to understand each other. And now limited stripes do. I want you to understand. Protect your value. Don't feel too available. Make it work for it. Watch the red flags. That's consistency. Don't let him think he has you. Now put that inside of modern exhaustion and social media paranoia. Now everybody's monitoring everybody. Nobody actually realizes, nobody says what they actually feel. Everybody's trying to avoid being hurt and avoid being used and avoid being stupid or looking stupid or being defended or pressured or becoming the problem. And eventually the relationship starts feeling like two people meeting each other, and it starts feeling like two nervous systems trying out to change collapse. And this is why modern dating feels so heavy. Because people think relationships are dying because nobody wants commitment anymore. Everybody thinks about commitment. People talk about commitment more than ever. A lot of relationships are dying from exhaustion before the trouble ever even happens. People are tired. They're tired of monitoring every text. Mm-hmm. Every silence, every punishment, every implication, every what does this mean? Every fear of disconnection, every moment of feeling like they have to manage themselves perfectly inside the relationship? Some people are not meaning. They are collapsing. Floor drops right out. And this is why the talking stage exists. This is why the talking stage even exists. Older generations make fun of it because they think it's immaturity. But a lot of modern people are unconsciously trying to answer a terrifying question before they attach to anyone. Can this person psychologically survive modern life with me? Understand what I'm saying? Can this person psychologically survive modern life with me? Because modern relationships require something that older systems did not demand at this table. Capacity. Not gaining. Not status. Not even perfect communication. Not even spirits. Capacity. Enough life in you to stay open after work. After stress. After comparison. After anxiety, after carrying yourself all day long. Enough capacity to tell the truth instead of managing your impressions. Enough capacity to repair after a misunderstanding. Enough capacity to stay human while the world keeps trying to turn both of you into performances. I'm just trying to tell you going what's going on. This is why so many people feel confused right now. Because they inherited relationship scripts from a world that no longer exists. And everybody keeps blaming themselves for failing systems that were never actually built for.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:29

Now.

unknown 1:11:30

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:31

He absolutely cooked. He definitely cooked. Who is that, by the way? Oh no, someone for TikTok.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:36

Oh my God. You ain't got his name?

SPEAKER_06 1:11:37

I'll get into it. I'll get it later.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:38

Well, because he cooked. I I do agree with a lot of things he said. I do.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:44

His name is Jay Cipher. Okay, Jay Cipher.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:47

I like I agree with a lot of things he said.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:49

No, no, no. I 110% agree with everything he just said. I feel like it's true. It is true. It is absolutely true. Like, because we're very concerned and too wrapped up into the wrong things. Well, capacity.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:00

Do you have capacity and worry about it in the talking stage? Like, I do believe in the talking stage because that's how you get to know. Remember, I said this a couple um episodes ago. I do believe we should talk to people for before you get in a relationship 12 months. So you can see every season of change in them. You know what I mean? Like, I do think, but that's the hardest thing. I'm big on that.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:20

I'm big on just taking your time, space it out.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:22

What does that look like in real life, right? Like you, because once you have um an intimate connection with them, it kind of speeds up the process.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:30

It does speeds up the process. I feel like no, no, I feel like it's nervous system trying to react to a very um intimate setting. So like now we're in the setting. Now we did this. Yeah. So now like something gotta happen. Like it's a timeline narrative. Like a timeline narrative. It's a timeline narrative.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:44

I agree with that.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:45

You know what I mean? So it's just like, yo, like that, that right there is just killing the whole thing. Like, that's why I really don't mean myself. On the contrary to like, you know, people's beliefs or whatever. I like love the slow route.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:58

You know what I mean? Like, we don't have to rush into anything at all, yo. Like, because again, like let's take our time to kind of figure things out.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:04

I do agree with that. Like, while being open with communication, but like he, I mean, I ain't gonna hold you. He made a lot of good points. And with the way that it has changed, so it's like, now that we we look at it like that, then how do you how do you follow in love again? If we got all this working against us when it comes to love.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:25

Again, it's just like kind of putting things in perspective and understanding that, like, you know, again, the this uh social marketplace that's in our pocket isn't everything.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:34

Yeah, I don't know why people base love off of social media. A lot of people would know.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:37

A lot of people would judge you off your social media. What you post, what you repost, what you like, what you're saying. Like, you know what I mean? I think that's a younger generation type uh type of thing, but it's just like I mean, you know, the older. But again, like, you know, from our generation, how we grew up and our mentality towards it, it was more like again, broke it down to the simplistic root of things. You know what I mean? Like, we didn't have this uh type of accessibility. Even in the early social media days, MySpace days and stuff like that, things were still moving at a very slow rate. You know what I mean? People actually took their time to talk. There was no text message. You had to get on the phone and call and talk to them and stuff like that. You guys have to actually meet up and like, you know, writing letters, yo.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:22

Yeah, writing letters, I remember back, yeah, taking the day time, date, place, yeah, song playing in the background, mood, and then you write the letter. Write the letter, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:30

I remember those days.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:31

And dudes would write back. Like dudes used to write letters in the show.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:34

Yeah, we was I was a I was a letter writing king. I'm trying to tell you, man. Yeah, I was well, uh wrote some letters.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:41

I'm I'm gonna go.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:42

I wrote some letters, man. Let me tell you. So I'm like, yeah, those days, bruh. Like those days. And it's just like, yeah, again, like the capacity has strength.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:49

Yeah, people don't people don't have to be able to do that. People don't have no more.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:51

Yeah, people don't have the capacity to stuff because they feel like they need to hurry up and uh uh serve a timeline. So put whatever they're trying to do.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:59

So you're trying to serve a timeline.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:01

Yeah. Well, yeah, no.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:02

I mean, you know, like I said, I agree with them. Love is complicated. Yeah, man. It's like complicated on both ends. Yeah, good clip. All right.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:09

Couple more. Couple more, a couple more. Then we're gonna do uh would you rather? Alright. Alright, so should your partner be your best friend?

SPEAKER_05 1:15:18

Yeah. In this way of this, like, let me tell you what I mean by that. Um they should be your best friend in the fact that they love you because best friends love you for who you are no matter what. Right? Um, my partner should be my best friend in my mind because out of everybody else in the world, you you with me all the time. So, like, you know who I am, that's why you got with me. I don't know, you know, now that I'm thinking about it and talking through it, like I said, I'm just hearing these questions too. So this real life, me thinking on it. I don't know, like you want them to be. I think it's realistic to like want them to be, but I don't know. Your best friend know you, dog.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:57

Like, I don't think the two roles shouldn't play, honestly, because it doesn't really work out in that type of sense. Because think about it, your partner is your partner, like your partner is someone who knows very, very intimate things. Like the level of intimacy is different. Like your best friend, like we have best friends. Yeah. Like people we can just go even past a relationship, like if this relationship ends and drives. Well, my best friends will go back. I got my best friend right here. So that that best friend is just like that model of consistency that you can lean on even in the toughest of times. Like, tough times often break partnerships. We've seen tough times break break up marriages. We've seen tough times do a lot of things, but like your best friend is a person that's always there through those tough times.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:41

Ain't that crazy though that we feel like the part person we want to spend our life with shouldn't be like our best friend?

SPEAKER_06 1:16:46

I mean, but like you gotta understand this. It's a nuanced thing. Like, you know, like, yeah, like I ideally, it sounds great for your partner and your best friend be the same person. But realistically, again, the times we live in, yeah, is it doesn't really I mean it kind of doesn't, you're right, it kind of doesn't work for real.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:04

It doesn't work, it doesn't work for real. I think y'all should be good friends. Good friends, partner, uh because you're right.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:10

Like, because at the end of the day, say this relationship don't work. I want us to at least have a friendship to fall back on.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:15

Exactly, exactly.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:15

You know what I'm saying? Like you're like uh you just at your your ex's house, you know, the other day, just chilling, grubbing, eating food, having a good time, vibing out, right? With your folks. That's because you guys were good friends.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:27

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_06 1:17:28

Y'all weren't best friends, but y'all were.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:31

Yeah, we start, yeah, yeah, I guess. We start off friendly. I give you a lot of people. Friendly and stuff like that. So you yeah, yeah. So like a strong word, but that's like part of my path. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:39

I gotcha, I gotcha. But like, you know what I mean? Or some of you used to talk to me.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:42

No, no, for real, though. You're right. No, no, no. It's an important part of my life, though. You're right. And we are friends. Friends now.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:46

So it's just like, again, but like your best friend, it's like it's a different person.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:50

You're right. Because like, you know, you know, I consider you as one of my best friends, right? You know what I'm saying? And so how I come to you with the, I it helps me get through so that I can't. I won't know you in the same way that your partner knows you.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:01

Yeah, yeah, because and in that same breath, I don't know you as well as your partner does, because that's a different type of relationship. Yeah, yeah. That's you know what I mean. That's uh I mean, okay. That's that department for it. Okay. But it's like, yeah, it doesn't really work with its, you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:16

You know what though? I'm rocking with that. I'm rocking with that. You know what I'm saying? Because all, you know, I think I speak for a lot of it. It's like, we've always been taught that the person you're gonna be with, that should be like your right hand. You know what I'm saying? And while they sure rot with you like that, I don't even think it, like, you know, now thinking about it. You don't want to tell them, like, yeah, they probably should be your best friend.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:40

Mm-hmm. Exactly. Exactly, exactly. All right, cool. And one last one before we do Would You Abbas? That was a good one. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:47

I know, man. Oh, Lord. Can't give him too much.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:51

Yeah. Anywho, should body count matter?

SPEAKER_05 1:18:54

No.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:54

Alright, cool.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:56

No.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:56

Cool. No. Stop asking.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:59

You can ask, but if you're gonna ask, like, don't be mad if it's more than yours. That's what happens. People ask, and they be like, Take it insecure, yeah. I've had four or five partners thinking that like that's a big number, and then they ask you, and you be like, uh 12, 13. They like, I mean, yeah. You know what I mean? Like, no, don't ask unless you really like everybody how they learn is different. So yeah, I don't like that question. I think it's stupid.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:23

I think it's a stupid question, too. And don't ask me that.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:26

I mean, you can ask, but like, don't get mad when we get the answer.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:28

Yeah, no, but don't it don't be don't be mad if the answer is I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:35

Moment of silence. For the bodies we don't know. Or remember. Or don't remember. Or don't count. Oh. Ah. Oh, man.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:48

Yeah, see, I don't count the one-offs. The one-offs don't count.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:50

You gotta count, they count as a body.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:52

They don't count as a body, yo.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:54

Where are they? A shadow?

SPEAKER_06 1:19:55

Yeah, yo. Hey, the policy is you got 60 days after the first crack to crack again to matter.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:03

That's crazy. The return policy on bodies is wild.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:12

You got 60 days, man.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:14

You gave them 60. We ain't cracking within 60 days. That file is deleted. That was uh, that was uh, we just we tried it. I don't know what happened. That evidence is gone.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:27

Data file corrupted. Control art delete.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:31

It's out of there. Oh my god. Oh, that's so funny. But you know what?

SPEAKER_06 1:20:36

Because uh no, I don't like that. I don't like that one time with the one office.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:39

Well, I don't think they should count like on the deep end, but like, bro, it's a body you caught it. I don't know. I count on my body, man. I don't care.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:46

I don't know, man. That bullet hole went straight through me, man. I don't know what happened.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:50

It don't even count. They couldn't even find the bully, just the hole, and the hole is gone. Gone, man.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:55

No, no casing or nothing, man. I don't know what.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:57

Yep, well, you got that one. Yeah. That's crazy. You got a six-day reserve.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:04

But to the subscribers and those, the returners. Oh my god. Shout out to y'all. Y'all are the top of the list.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:10

Oh, oh, we count them bodies. We counted them.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:13

We are for sure counting them. They're excited.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:19

We love y'all. Bring more bodies. We'll count those. Okay, that's so.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:24

Yeah, bad, man. Yeah, it's crazy. All you gotta do is crack me twice.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:33

He said if you spin the block on them, you count. And we came a long way with the spin the block with this fucker, okay? This man.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:44

Oh, it's a cold summer, man. It's gonna be a cold summer. Alright.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:51

No.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:51

Alright, man. Let's do this. Let's do this to this real quick.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:54

I'm crying. Uh huh.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:57

Alright, man. Let's do some wood you rather than get out of here. Alright, nigga.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:02

60 day return part. I'm about to thread about you. I'm about to thread about you. I ain't even finna tweet you. I'm gonna thread you.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:09

60 days. And then I do, and I'm courteous with that 60 days. I wait around. I mean 60 days. I hang out. I just I'm waiting on you. Like, oh, no, no. Nope. 60 days. 60 days. You ain't hit me up again.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:22

We ain't in the all right. Moving on. Crazy. Go ahead. I'm about to ask you when all, bro. That's crazy. Alright, let's go. Because you crazy for that one, bro. Okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:37

Yeah, we we definitely finna catch some flack for that. No, I'm not. I better not get no flack for that. Anybody out there? Y'all can hear me up. No, no, no, no, no. Save you're listening to this podcast and you know someone that claimed this body, and this body only you asked them how many times it happened, and they say once, it didn't happen. And send this episode too, so I can tell you.

SPEAKER_07 1:23:09

Alright, let me start talking right on this microphone, man. Alright, would you rather?

SPEAKER_05 1:23:15

So if you crack no ones, hold on, before we go. If you crack no ones and they come on the 50th day before the 60th day.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:22

Oh, you good? You're golden.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:23

Okay, but if they come on the 61st day, it never happened.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:27

Reboot.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:28

All files gone. You won't even remember what it felt like. What's this? Who are you again, man? What's that? Okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:38

Oh man, uh. Okay, so we're gonna do about five of these. Alright, so would you rather live your life be private or be constantly go viral?

SPEAKER_05 1:23:53

Well, in this day and age, constantly going viral will get you paid, but honey, I'm not trying to do that. I'm fine. I'll be private. I can't go constantly viral.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:02

Private life is a good life. Um, da da. Would you rather relive high school for one year or skip ahead 10 years into your future?

SPEAKER_05 1:24:11

Child, let me get that high school back for one year. Because I know what 10 years in the future looks like. I'm right here right now doing the podcast, I'll be here again. Let me get that one year back, baby. Because I know a lot of things now. And I didn't know that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'll take that one year back. I enjoyed high school. Shout out to Laura Rich one, baby. What's happening?

SPEAKER_06 1:24:28

Yep, yep. Alright, so another one looking through here, looking through here. Would you all right? So say you have a child, right? Would you rather just have that child be extremely smart or extremely charismatic? Extremely smart or extremely charismatic.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:47

Um extremely smart. The personality will come, but I'd rather them have some knowledge than just be able to light up a room because they goofy. Okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:00

You ain't the group chats? Oh god, okay, so would you rather lose your phone or have your entire group chat history leaked?

SPEAKER_05 1:25:12

See, listen. They gonna hate me, child. I'm keeping my phone because I got my music and things and my personal software, huh? They can leak them group chats, because I am a flyer on the wall in these things. I am the token lesbian in these things, okay? So leak it. Cause I need my phone, chat.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:30

I got nieces and nephews. No, I talk way too crazy in my group check. Oh, I know your answers. Nah, I can't do it.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:35

You gotta lose that phone. Now you your way deeper than mine. I even gonna hold you. I'm in group chat. I'm literally that token lesbian. They just add me because they love it. Oh, no. I don't even respond to half of them unless they say something crazy. So leak it.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:48

Yeah, no, man. My shit can't be leaked.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:49

Yeah, see, I think it's different from the people. Okay, you go.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:52

Alright, come on more, come on with me out of here. Uh, do do do do you rather have your partner be honest and brutal or loving and delusional? It's gonna get it, it's gonna get it, it's gonna get it right there.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:18

Um I guess honest and brutal because I can't love a liar, and uh, you ain't been made me look stupid. And I don't I can't stand the Lulu. Nope. The Lulu is bad, man. Okay, we live in a delusional place. I don't got time for that in my house. So I guess honest and brutal.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:41

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:41

I gotta love that though, because at least I know what's happening. It's up to me whether I say.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:45

Alright, let's end it right here. Would you rather find out that your friend is fake or your partner is fake?

SPEAKER_05 1:26:52

My partner.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:52

Yep. There we go. My partner.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:55

Okay, my friends listen. I'm gonna speak on my behalf now, because other people might say something different. They might not have good friends in life, but I ain't gonna hold you. I love my friends. Y'all know who y'all are. You are one of them. They're gonna hold me down no matter what. They're gonna be here with me till I die, and I know that for a fact. You feel me? Like, literally, I know that for a fact. So, yup. Yep. I'm chewing my friend because my partner, she should love my friend, and if she don't, then I will. Oh well. She better stick it out long way down. If not, I'm still gonna laugh until I die. And I'm gonna get hugs and kisses. Might not get no sex, but I one nice thing, they better circle back before 60 days to get county. Oh my god. What you brought? Well, now you gotta pick one on that one though.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:38

Yeah, my partner. I hate fake friends.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:44

So you rather have uh uh you said you put you your partner? Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:48

Oh. Nice. I I can recover from that pretty easily. I can't recover from a friend being fake.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:55

Ah can't recover that.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:57

And I'm like, yeah, I have fake friends and it was It was a tough recovery process for me, for sure.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:02

Oh man, that's interesting. We're gonna pick that one up. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:05

All right. Okay, y'all, man. Shoot. That's a good episode, man. Cool little episode. We out of here, man. Smooth little, you know, another little filler. You know what I mean? Another little vibes over here. Vibe one. All right, y'all, man. Again, this is Mike's attitude and knowledge. This is music, art, and culture. This is making audio classics. This is the Mac Podcast. And thank you for joining us for another episode of the Mac Podcast. I hope you enjoy listening as much as we enjoy talking to y'all. Keep us in your thoughts and prayers, because I guarantee that you are in ours. A word to the wise, don't let the wins be the relief and the losses be the tragedy. What is simple, what is easy are rarely the same. A wise man can play the fool, but the fool can never play a wise man. And last but not least, no amount of money in the world has ever bought you a second of time. So spend yours wisely.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:51

Also, I want to add this is the Malika Chemistry Podcast.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:58

Oh man. Alright, man, we out of here, yo.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:16

I'm holding easy. Ease fucked up and got eight ball rolling. Well, bitches, big eggs, and I run with the click they coss running. Way before I lit his rap, I was outside trying to get money. Every nigga pissed me off. A play they dead and know I'm coming. Got on all these chains, feel like a slave. Pop off, no, I ain't running. Bitches six W A, so I might spaz on you in public. PB up to Drake, I told him shit, cause I know he gon' dump it. Taste that bitch to Lumpy, he knows how to. Let's change the subject. Shit, we gettin' paid to have a shit.

SPEAKER_10 1:29:52

Duckin' the crash tunic. Dang it. Type of nigga to do drop-boy's in the buick, boppin' music, head bob him, have him screamin' out High. Um minute May, long dread, high fade, dark skin, big D. Got the girls D-Ray.

SPEAKER_09 1:30:10

Sinsei, all hell to the six Way. Six in the morning, feds at my dope. Shoulda seen them niggas comin', but the cameras was broke. Tried to run to the back and flush out of the dope. Ram truck hit the spot. Now we all on the floor. Fuckin' bitch, that's my favorite word. If she ain't suckin' dick, then kick the out to the curb. Fuckin' bitch! Yo, D, your homies out of the dirt. Caught him lack in the traffic, you put his ass on the shirt.

SPEAKER_08 1:30:42

Neighborhood dope, man. Tell me what you need. Wow from this shit get roof. Like my name with easy E. I got the formula, DOC. Dr. Dre got the car for cheap. A slickin' with attitude. Who wants some beat? Give a fuck about the law. I hate police. Give a fuck about jail. Shove myself. Get my bitch on the line, go make my bill. Touch that cause hell. I'm back making sales. Somewhere in the clip business, now I'm already got it rollin' and rockin'. Beat out the box like rap. Real trap, nigga, baby. No flies. Can't ride with me, you ain't doing no slides.