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M.A.K Season 1 Episode 47

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This week on The MAK Podcast, Asaad the Artiz and Kemistree kick things off with an unexpected twist—the host finds himself on the receiving end of someone else’s delusion. That’s definitely a first.

From there, the dynamic duo shows major love to the New York Knicks after capturing their second NBA Championship and ending a 53-year title drought. The celebration naturally leads into more NBA talk and basketball debates.

The conversation then shifts to music, where some bold takes spark another edition of Verse Verses—a fan-favorite segment where the fellas put legendary rap verses head-to-head, comparing bars from different artists and songs to determine which verse truly reigns supreme.

After a music break, the hosts tackle the latest controversy surrounding “Dr.” Cheyenne Bryant and the questions surrounding her credentials. The discussion expands into a larger conversation about society’s tendency to accept information at face value while ignoring the importance of proper vetting and accountability.

The mood takes a serious turn as Asaad and Kemistree discuss the recent verdict in the Karmelo Anthony trial. The case prompts a deeper examination of the American justice system and raises a difficult question: When will the Black community fully acknowledge that justice and the legal system are not always the same thing?

The episode wraps up with the always-entertaining Would You Rather? and Delusional or Deserving? segments before the crew sends love to the listeners.

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SPEAKER_05

Mike, Mike, Mike, check one, two. What is this? The Mac crew top two talking so authentic. What's going on with you over there?

SPEAKER_02

Well, you already know. I'm keeping it me, keeping it real.

SPEAKER_05

Keep it. Keep it in me.

SPEAKER_02

Just keeping it, Kimmy Shit. Loves in the air. Love's in the air. Love's always in the air. Sometimes it gets a little salty. Uh huh. Um, it is exhausting though.

SPEAKER_05

We got the season right to enjoy every day. We got the season right? You know? We're working on the season.

SPEAKER_02

Working the season is always, you know. You gotta hit different every time. You can't eat the same thing every time.

SPEAKER_05

I love the fact that, you know, someone can just do something out of the blue. And just go on, going about life, follow the law, you know, go through the motions, and just dictate terms like, okay, no, we're back on. Well, you know. This was this is what this is where we're at.

SPEAKER_02

What I will say is it it it's just interesting. It was, it is crazy how it started, right? But with the the it it's it's conversations that weren't happening before happening.

SPEAKER_05

So it took a little dramatic.

SPEAKER_02

Certain change, it took the dramatics, you know what I mean? But I do see things like trying, at least trying to like come from a different way with it. So, you know, it's an effort between growth. I'm seeing, as long as I see some effort in growth, you know, I think that makes a difference. Gotta love it, man. Relationships are tricky, man. You know, highs and lows, baby.

SPEAKER_05

Hey, and for anybody to expect everything to be all the way good all the time. Delusion. They don't know. Yeah, they're very delusional. Very delusional.

SPEAKER_02

But I'm just saying relationships say work, man. You know what I'm saying? They do. That's why I say, man, you gotta find, you gotta find the crazy for you. Everybody got a little crazy and find the crazy that work for you.

SPEAKER_05

Hey, and I'm crazy too.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I don't know. I say I work.

SPEAKER_05

Like, I gotta be somebody's crazy as well. You know what I mean? You know?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

I stand before everybody proudly, not even proudly, but just like openly and and and honest as I can be like, hey, I'm a flawed man. I don't pretend to be a nice guy. I don't pretend to be the good guy. I'm very, very, very, very, very, very transparent with my flawed um point of view. At the moment, you know what I mean? I'm a work in progress and an unapologetic work in progress, but moving crazy is just kind of wild to me, man.

SPEAKER_02

I mean, you know, it happens though. Like, love make you do crazy things. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? So I suppose. But if it's worth it, you know, you put the effort in and and hopefully it comes out on this.

SPEAKER_05

No, no, no. Oh, there's so many stories that's happening. Oh Lord. Gotta tell. We'll get to the part in a minute, folks. Hi, audience. Hi. What's up? It's your boy. Got more tea.

SPEAKER_02

Um hit this intro on or no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_05

No. No, we're not doing that. No, because I don't like being I don't like being the target of people's delusions. Man. I hate being the target of people's delusions.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Because like, how did I get here?

SPEAKER_05

Go, like, think how you want to think. Like, you know what I'm saying? But if I'm telling you that, hey, the sky is blue, don't be like, well, did he mean that it's dark gray, or or sometimes it can be black. I think he might just say the sky is black. Okay, I mean, like, what part of the sky are you talking about? No, I said the sky is blue. That's what it is. That's what I said. How you're taking it, how you're taking what I'm telling you, and you're twisting it to a narrative that fits you and serves you. It's kind of crazy to me.

SPEAKER_02

So, what is this in reference to?

SPEAKER_05

Just my interactions lately with multiple people that I am a target of their life.

SPEAKER_02

You feel like they've been taking your words and taking it completely out of the way.

SPEAKER_05

Of course, of course. And I'm like being very, very clear and specific on my stance. No, I said the sky is blue.

SPEAKER_02

So why do you think that's happening?

SPEAKER_05

Okay, I feel like Scooby-Doo over here.

SPEAKER_02

Do y'all communicate on the regular?

SPEAKER_05

So, like, of course we communicate on the regular. And I got like I said, I do everything on my end, on my stance. Over here.

SPEAKER_02

So if y'all communicating on the regular.

SPEAKER_05

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You're not listening to what I'm saying. I'm telling them that the sky is blue. They look up and it's blue. But in their mind, they're saying that I'm saying that the sky is dark.

SPEAKER_02

Well, then you might just need to cut them off. Unless they're colorblind. That's a thing.

SPEAKER_05

Like some people delusions I can't cut off. But just a couple, I'm like, ugh. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, because I don't know where I can. I don't know what you do with that.

SPEAKER_05

But like, yeah, no, no, with the people that I don't know, like the the when I was at the 707 old girl, just like she's crazy to me.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, see, okay, that's when I was like, is that one that you communicate with on a regular side?

SPEAKER_05

That's one I don't communicate with on a regular.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, so that's what I'm saying. So that Lulu is like, how did we get here? How did we get here? Exactly. That's what I mean. That's why I was asking.

SPEAKER_05

How do we move from like where we was at like at the beginning of the year to where we are now? It's kind of nuts.

SPEAKER_02

Very bare minimum conversation.

SPEAKER_05

Bare minimum conversation. It's very nuts to me. So people out there, man, like, listen, if someone's telling you that the sky is blue, it's blue. They say B-L-U-E. Plain and simple. Well, they're saying uh there's no way that you could interpret it in your mind in any other way. They didn't say one thing, but they're meaning another.

SPEAKER_02

So you're saying it's not bad.

SPEAKER_05

Take them word for word, vowel for vowel, what they're saying.

SPEAKER_02

When it's a fact. Like it depends. Like, is it a fact or opinion? In this case, the sky is blue. During the daytime, the sky is blue. No, no, no. The sky is blue. During the daytime. It's not blue right now. But it's blue. It's not blue. It's blue somewhere in the globe. It ain't blue right now.

SPEAKER_05

It's blue somewhere else in the globe.

SPEAKER_02

It's not blue where I'm looking. You are not no. See, now that's why people go to Lulu. You might be the problem. For real. Because, like I just said, it's not blue right now, but at the time when you tell them the sky is blue, the sky's blue. Yes. But if I was talking to you right now and you said the sky was blue, I'd be like, well, no, it's not.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then you'd be like, the time that I say these statements is the problem.

SPEAKER_02

As long as it's a fact, it's a fact. That's all I'm saying. Like, it's not a.

SPEAKER_05

The sky being blue, not a fact. During the daytime, it's blue. Okay. So it's daytime somewhere else in the globe. It may not be daytime. When it's daytime, the sky is blue.

SPEAKER_02

What you're saying is fact, not opinion. It's a fact. And they will know when it's opinion.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, it's a fact. I think the sky is blue.

SPEAKER_02

And they will know though when it's an opinion versus a fact. But when I'm talking about No, I'm getting it. I get what you're saying.

SPEAKER_05

I speak facts. I speak facts.

SPEAKER_02

Not everything is a fact. Some stuff is opinion.

SPEAKER_05

Oh, you're hear that.

SPEAKER_02

We hear crazy words.

SPEAKER_05

We are saying my word is my word, okay? My word is law. Like, come on. It is what it is. Come on. Now there is no way to change it up. Like.

SPEAKER_02

Oh man. That's like what they say is five o'clock somewhere. I got you, bruh.

SPEAKER_05

Let's go, let's go, let's go. Let's shout out to the champs. Yeah. Five with me, man. I know we're in California.

SPEAKER_07

But right now, I'm leaving today. We are celebrating the NBA championship. New York. Shout out to all the Knicks fans out there.

SPEAKER_05

53 years break. You guys finally feel what it's like to be self to spend. Congratulations, New York. Shout out to all the listeners out there, do it all.

SPEAKER_06

Stand up.

SPEAKER_03

I got a money. I got a good Uh-huh, uh-huh.

SPEAKER_05

I need everybody out there to stand up. Over any city world.

SPEAKER_10

Yeah, I'm not there and drop that. Go right next to the never road. But I'll be hooked forever. I'm the booster natural. And since I made it here, I can make it anywhere. Yeah, they love me everywhere. I used to copy all of all of my Dominican tunnels, right in the Broadway. Moving back to that McDonald's, took it to my stat spot, 560 State Street. Driving so slow, DK is for Texas. Me and my dead best stop. Oh my dead boys, biggie. Now I live on buildboard. And I put my boys with me. They went up the top slap. Still slipping my top. They got spikes out. I couldn't put that for green. So I'm my animals.

SPEAKER_02

Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Man, we here, we here, we here. We here. Somebody said they love us. I posted it. We got some love. Hey, we love you back.

SPEAKER_05

We love you back. Welcome to another episode of the MAC Podcast. I'm your host, Sasha, the artist, alongside with the big star of the show, Big K, Big Tree Chemistries, and the Bill D.

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We out here together by dang dang.

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SPEAKER_02

I can't say creamery.

SPEAKER_05

I can't do it. And I be reading the transcripts on these episodes.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, bro. You don't need to say you don't know. I don't even want to read.

SPEAKER_05

No, that'd be nuts. I know that'd be nuts. Yeah, we do. And they be like interpret uh interpreting it.

SPEAKER_02

Well, good, because that means that you can't AI us, baby.

SPEAKER_05

Right. Um, letting you guys know, uh, you know, the thoughts, views, and the s are for entertainment purposes only. Like, we're an episode, we're almost halfway there.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, but we're gonna keep saying just in case anybody get too butt hurt, baby.

SPEAKER_05

Oh, that's always gonna be the case. It's me. I feel like anything involving me is gonna be taken like a a type away. I've I've I've I'm seeing a way, yeah. I'm getting the vibe that anything that I do or anything that I say will be taken a type of way one way or another. That's the kind of power I have.

SPEAKER_02

Oh Lord.

SPEAKER_05

I need to find a way to use this power to my advantage.

SPEAKER_02

Hey, you know?

SPEAKER_05

Gotta figure it out. Gotta figure it out. Um, what we got, what we got, what do we got? All right now. Yeah, we got we got the introway. All right, what's good, man? What's going on with you, man? What's your life like? What's your life on? What's your life on? What what what's in our brains right now? Right now, I'm still reeling over the Knicks winning the finals. I'm gonna talk about such a good game. People, sorry, non-sports fans, I'm gonna be on this subject for a minute because I'm reviewing the whole playoff in its entirety. Yeah, yeah. To how it started, to how we got here.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. On both sides. They definitely would have swept them as if. I hate to say it, but if I don't hate to say it. If Trump wouldn't have showed up for that game, them boys would have won. I'm trying, I promise you. They already had it. They've been doing series sweeps. They've been doing it. It's been game.

SPEAKER_05

Game, game, uh, what was it? Game three. It was game three. No, no, it was three. It was three. It was three. It was three.

SPEAKER_02

It was three. It was three.

SPEAKER_05

Game three was meant yeah, that was supposed to happen. I feel like, you know what I mean, like the the Trump being there, putting the bad juju in the air. It definitely was bad juju. It was bad juju in the air. My dude, he he needs to like learn or like do his presidential job and not worry about. Child, he's 80 years old. You feel me? Like, why is 80-year-old dudes still running? Like, I don't understand these old people. My man got UFC mortar. He took advantage of the city. He's running this government still. Just go, just go off to retirement.

SPEAKER_02

Go live your best life. Like, they literally take care of you for the rest of your life because you were this person.

SPEAKER_05

So, like, it's sickening. Like, you did, you did it. You you you served your your public service or whatever. You serve your I don't know what it is.

SPEAKER_02

At 80 years old, there's no way you can run anything. I'm not trying. Definitely, listen, uh, I say something. I'm sorry, I don't want to be. I'm not gonna say that. I'm not gonna say that. No, I'm not gonna say that because my grandma is over 80 years old and she still has her her. Her calculus. But at the same time, my grandma's not trying to run a country. She's doing nursing home things, she's taking care of people. There's a difference. You know what I'm saying? You can't run a country at that age. Like, my grandma's even some of her thinking I don't agree with. Because she's over 80. Yeah, yeah. So she still has a mindset that no longer exists in a world that no longer is the same. Right. So, no, an 80-year-old can't run nothing. That's why we got UFC and motocross happening on the White House yard. And we ghetto.

SPEAKER_05

That event was trailer trash.

SPEAKER_02

Obama didn't throw a barbecue.

SPEAKER_05

Right, no, that was trailer trash at its finest.

SPEAKER_02

And I talked to white people about it, and they too agree that that is trailer trash activity.

SPEAKER_05

That was a trailer trash activity for sure.

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On the White House.

SPEAKER_05

This is where this is a trailer trash president. Period. Donald Trump is the trailer trash president. Period. MAG is trailer trash.

SPEAKER_02

I'm just saying, man. I hope y'all keep this in mind. Next election. Next election, man.

SPEAKER_05

We're in a trailer trash society. We're in the trailer trash economy. We're in a trailer trash. You're not lying. Everything. This is a trailer trash matrix that we're doing.

SPEAKER_02

It is the mindset of the trailer trash because honestly, if it was trailer trash prices, it'd be cheap. So I wish it was trailer trash prices. No, that's ghetto. Ghetto is cheap. Ghetto is cheap, right? Remember. Oh, yeah. Remember, yeah, remember. Whatever. They're not too far. They cousins. Trailer trash and ghetto cousins.

SPEAKER_05

Oh, super cousins. They're like twins.

SPEAKER_02

Trailer park, bro. I'm telling you, they just had the white trailer park.

SPEAKER_05

One seen uh the other one as as superior, which they have no reason to.

SPEAKER_02

It's depending on what part of the world you're in.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah. Um, but yeah, no, no. Going back to the game, yeah. So I was thinking about the first round, right? That was down 2-1 to Atlanta. And everybody was saying, like, yo, if they lose this series, it's over. Wrap it up. Which is true. Because they got into this season being the favorites. By the Knicks? Yeah. Yeah. So this was meant for them to win this season. It was, bro. Because the tables were set up. The Celtics didn't have Jason Tatum for the majority of the season.

SPEAKER_02

And when uh shout out to us, though, because we made a part of that. We no, not shout out to Jason. It is shout out to us because we took a lot of blows, bro. We did. And we still pushed like Jason. I mean, uh, JP carried it, bro. That was not an easy thing to do.

SPEAKER_05

It was not an easy thing to do.

SPEAKER_02

We have to readjust the whole offense and defense without Tatum, bro.

SPEAKER_05

It was working just fine, too. Yeah. It was, but we don't know how not to shoot. But what but I don't want the Celtics us out because, you know, they lost.

SPEAKER_19

Yeah, yeah, we're not gonna do that. We're gonna give it to the Knicks. So we can sit here and do that the whole time. You're right. We're gonna stay on the Knicks.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, we're gonna say on the Knicks, but we'll have to say about the Celtics. We'll we'll get them later.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, because you know, I love my babies.

SPEAKER_05

I love, hey man, I believe green and white. I hate talking about the Knicks right now.

SPEAKER_02

But I can't deny. I'm a basketball fan. That's exactly that's how we are, bro. First and foremost. But we love uh actually not having a dog in the fight because we got to watch it from both sides.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, from a fan perspective.

SPEAKER_02

And it was amazing.

SPEAKER_05

And that's why I like really enjoyed the rest of the playoffs when the Celtics got out there. And I'm still kind of mad how the Celtics. We got we went I can't believe it.

SPEAKER_02

We're not doing it. We're gonna stay on the Knicks, like you said. Oh man. Anywho, it was really good to see some good great basketball facts. Great basketball facts.

SPEAKER_05

Anywho, uh to the Knicks when they was uh going to Atlanta down to line. I was thinking, holy crap, Atlanta could finally found how to stop beat. I was like, oh man, don't tell me this is gonna be the eighth. Like, what were they the eighth? I think seven. Six seeds. They were the six seed. Yeah, they were the six seed, bro. Um so I was like, oh, snap, because uh again, CJ was locking JB down for the most part of that series. But you know, they bounce back, I mean, they focus in, they locked in. They started to uh run the offense through Kat. And Kat needs to be given more credit than he's given right now because the focal point for two series in a row. Yep, he was like he was kind of running the ship. He did the playmaker. The rest of the Atlanta series. Oh, and for the majority of who they play next, Sixers. Got them out. They got him out of it quick. I was so mad that we lost to the Sixers. I was hoping it would be us. I thought it would be us and the Knicks. If the Knicks played us, and it was seven games back to back, tightly contested, the Knicks won. I will be more grateful for their championship. That championship run would be more meaningful to me as a basketball fan. But I feel like, you know, the path for the most part was very easy. They got through uh Philly, they breezed through Cleveland and Cleveland. I'm like, yo, where'd your heart go?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

They had no heart that entire series.

SPEAKER_02

No heart. And I just think.

SPEAKER_05

And you know why they didn't have any heart? Because they had James Harden on this squad. Which crazy. People need to give up on James Harden. No, we as basketball fans need to look at James Harden a different way now.

SPEAKER_02

I already have. Like, this right here showed us Harden should have been going crazy. Like, this literally probably your last opportunity.

SPEAKER_05

Best opportunity with that team. With that team, with that good team, that was your best opportunity.

SPEAKER_02

So, yeah, yeah. Harden at this point, he's just gonna be a veteran player, and I hope he leads others to greatness. You know, with their, you know, giving advice. But yeah, shout out to the Knicks, man.

SPEAKER_05

Shout out to the Knicks, man. And then the finals. So going into the finals, I had the thought, like, wow, the Spurs team, as great as they are, as talented as they are as great as well. They is really great. They're still very young.

SPEAKER_17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

So I was like, okay, so the Knicks should win this game, this series, and six. I thought it was gonna be a sweep how they went into San Antonio and put BTA to them and younger boys on their home court.

SPEAKER_19

On their home court.

SPEAKER_05

Like you said, man, trailer trash trump.

SPEAKER_02

I'm telling you, bro, juju. All the extra stuff he's just doing. It's not it's just if he just would have came, that'd have been one thing.

SPEAKER_05

But we have to keep this in mind in all five of those games, the Spurs were dominating. They were. They were for uh almost two quarters every time.

SPEAKER_02

Three quarters each and every game.

SPEAKER_05

The one time they completed the mission was in game three. That was, you know, an account for bad juju in the air. Yeah. But the Spurs.

SPEAKER_02

They definitely held their own until they couldn't.

SPEAKER_05

They couldn't, because again, youth and inexperience. And that's one of the youngest teams that we got, too.

SPEAKER_02

So I like shout out to them.

SPEAKER_05

You know, shout out to Spurs before getting there, but I knew, like, yeah, but they was going up so much, he was like, oh, um, what dog? They let them come back down 29.

SPEAKER_02

Bruh. That was oh, that was such an amazing game. That was uh crazy game.

SPEAKER_05

I thought no way y'all gonna trade home courts.

SPEAKER_02

Okay. No way. But that's why I was like, uh, it's something special about the Knicks. We said it's like something about that seven minutes, bro, in the fourth that just does something to them. They go crazy.

SPEAKER_05

Nice nine. Okay, nine, seven. You know what I mean? Like around. When they see they're down like 14 or like within 10 to 15, like, no, no, no. You know what happens? Big body Brunson looks up at the clock and be like, oh, my time.

SPEAKER_02

Man, that cat's special. My time.

SPEAKER_05

My time.

SPEAKER_02

That cat's special. I ain't gonna be told you that boy had what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_05

I try to get everybody else involved in the early game. This is why we're down. Now that we're here, I gotta my time.

SPEAKER_02

Man. No.

SPEAKER_05

Watching him play amazing. Okay. Out there, just putting BTA.

SPEAKER_02

Bro, he was one of the smallest dudes on the floor.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, putting BTA on a seven foot five alien looking dude. Okay. Okay, just like yo, just just just popping threes on him, driving pie, driving past him, going to the going to the hoop, floater. Mid range game is back. Thank God. Thank God we're not all threes are dunksy.

SPEAKER_02

That's what I like about this series too.

SPEAKER_05

We got to thank the Lord. We got a mid game range. Yep. It's introduced back into the game. Thank God that we gotta worry about tall foreigners. And what's called? Oh, yeah. The NBA would have been flooded with tall foreign guys.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, yeah, for sure. For sure.

SPEAKER_05

So shout out to the Knicks for just like it, just for being like.

SPEAKER_02

Bring it back the formula, baby. No, in New York.

SPEAKER_05

In the Mecca of basketball.

SPEAKER_02

And New York fan. That's what I mean.

SPEAKER_05

So no, this championship was good.

SPEAKER_02

I love it. It was definitely a great one. I'm glad we got to watch the channel.

SPEAKER_05

Enjoy your moment in the sun, Knicks fans. Hey, they're going to be talking about this for years, though.

SPEAKER_02

So y'all can talk about it.

SPEAKER_05

You guys will be talking about this for decades. I know you will. Y'all leave it guys. And you will see everybody else win. We're going to see what happens next year.

SPEAKER_02

I'm looking forward to next year.

SPEAKER_05

So next year, no. If we get Giannis, oh man. No, I don't want them to trade JB though. I need JB and Giannis. I don't want Tatum and Giannis. That's why I say them all. I want JB.

SPEAKER_02

I want to keep J B. Like Tatum, I'm messing with.

SPEAKER_05

I love Tatum.

SPEAKER_02

But we need a leader who's a leader who is a dog, exactly.

SPEAKER_05

So like J B, I mean JT is the dog.

SPEAKER_02

They always put him like that underdog too.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, JT's not a dog, man. He's not a dog. He needs to learn how to go be a dog somewhere else. He needs to be his own. So if we get it on the thing. That's not the self display. Like I feel like, again, like you said, we were doing great in that system that we had something going on for us under JB's leadership. But unfortunately, under JB's leadership, we, in the first time in our franchise history, lost a 3-1 lead in the playoffs.

SPEAKER_19

I know. So it's like a double-edged sword.

SPEAKER_05

I would not be too upset if uh Jalen Brown left.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I mean, I mean, either way, I think it's a good one.

SPEAKER_05

So at the same time, at the end of the day, like, yeah, you got us to where we got us. You got a great season. But we had a 3-1 lead and you didn't close the deal. You the you're the leader, right?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah. You should have closed that deal up 3-1. I mean, Big Body Bronson dropped 45. You feel me? I mean, when it's time to eat, it's time to eat. So I feel you on that.

SPEAKER_05

I see you on that, but I feel like that was your first time fully being in that position, though. Tatum already. Yeah, I'm giving you a I'm giving uh JB a little grace on that. But you know, I would rather have JB and Giannis, but I'll be cool with J B. I don't think that.

SPEAKER_02

I don't know. We'll see. I'm not sleeping on Tatum. I think Tatum will continue to be a great player. I don't think he's ever gonna go back to his full play.

SPEAKER_05

I don't think he's gonna be that leader though. Maybe Giannis comes in and be that leader.

SPEAKER_02

Maybe Giannis comes in to be that leader. And that can happen with JT because I think JTAP could be a clash of egos.

SPEAKER_05

JT's like, I won a championship. You won a championship. So who team is this? I don't want that drama to. All right, enough of the Celtics. Enough of the Celtics talk. Enough of the Celtics.

SPEAKER_02

Alright, okay, we'll get stuck. We'll get stuck.

SPEAKER_05

Shout out to the Knicks. Shout out to the Knicks, shout out to Big Body Brunson, shout out to the big Dominican cat. Shout out to OG Andinobi, Josh Hart, and the crew.

SPEAKER_02

And shout out to Bridges. Let's not forget Mikhail Bridges.

SPEAKER_05

Alright, so I kicked you back in. Yeah. I did kick you back in. I did kick you back in. I apologize. Get his thing, man. F those picks.

SPEAKER_02

Them last names too be hitting. Hart, town, bridges. Come on, man. Brunson.

SPEAKER_05

Like, yeah, we we I'm here for it. We have to give um credit when credit is due, man. I I I yeah, I got to walk that back, man. F those picks. Those picks. F those picks because you know, and that's another thing about the NBA and NFL. We're so worried about the draft picks. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, okay, not every draft is gonna have that generational player. Like, you know what I mean? Sometimes there's there's been a lot of misses in the draft. A lot of misses. That's why it's a draft pick. A lot, a lot of uh dudes we thought there was gonna be a big deal coming into the league, fall short. Even the number one draft pick, number five draft pick, number ten draft pick, it doesn't matter. Like it depends on the situation, the coaching and the organization these players go to. You know what I mean? That's what all matters. Anyways, you can have some guy just off the street, if an organization C some raw talent, they would develop that talent into a premier professional.

SPEAKER_02

That's what they do, they set systems for.

SPEAKER_05

They will set a system for you got to set a good system. A lot of ownership, a lot of ownerships and a lot of team ownership don't have any good systems in place because they don't know what they're doing in a basketball sense because they're looking at it as a business opportunity to make money, which is fair. But this is also a sport which requires you to have some kind of eye for talent and a system to develop that talent. Right, right.

SPEAKER_19

Or know what you're bringing into it, but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um but F those picks. F them. I need the Baltimore Ravens to be on that type of time. I need the Boston Celtics to be on that type of time. F those picks, let's get some guys out of here that can help us win now.

SPEAKER_02

That we can put into it. Yep. Well, you know, we'll see what's gonna happen.

SPEAKER_05

We'll see what happens, man. All right, enough sports, man.

SPEAKER_02

Moving forward, let's get into some music real quick. Okay, let's see. I got two things I want to hit on music. I'm gonna ask you one. So I seen this post the other day, and um, it showed uh Drake back in the day, you know, uh Wheelchair Jimmy. And it said um Drake is cosplaying. What is it saying? Cosplaying being a black rapper. What are your thoughts on that?

SPEAKER_05

It's a learned conversation. Um I mean, we gotta look at Drake what it is. He's uh he's biracial. He grew up not in the he did he grew up not in the United States. So it was just like, I feel like, you know, take the biracial part aside. I feel I really feel like it's a Canadian experience versus American experience. If you grow up in a society that doesn't really reflect the attitude that America has towards black people or people of black uh African descent, you will grow up in a very bubbled and sheltered point of view. And it's not entirely your fault, right? For you being sheltered, for you not having that, or for how your father moved, or how he moved and all, etc. etc.

SPEAKER_02

Because his father was was all American though, his mom's gonna be a little bit like that.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, so so but like you know, from what we gather, his dad was like kind of in and out of the picture for the stuff.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, he definitely wasn't around until he got older, right?

SPEAKER_05

Until he got older and stuff like that. So, I mean, again, a lack of the connection to, and again, this is where like foreign Africans, like Africans who grew up in Africa come to America, they would like, you know, like foreigners. It's like it's like, you know what I mean, a foreign thing versus a national thing.

SPEAKER_02

I feel that.

SPEAKER_05

So, so but this whole this whole cosplay is black rapper thing. Here's what I'm saying. Yeah. So it's like, yeah, to an extent he is because Drake does not know or understand what it's like to be in a black person. But he this but the only way for him to learn is this. Black in America. For him, what to learn is for him just to sit by and observe. Look at it, he's an actor. What actors do? They sit back and they observe.

SPEAKER_02

Or they insert themselves into the environment so that they can learn. And that's that's what I feel he does as an actor. Like uh they call them method actors, right? Yeah, they actually insert themselves. And I feel like that's what he did. So did it start off as cosplaying, maybe. Um but maybe it's just but now. But now I don't think it's cosplaying. Now it just it is who he is.

SPEAKER_05

It's what he is right now.

SPEAKER_02

It is who he is. Maybe it started that way.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

But I don't think it's who he is now.

SPEAKER_05

No, who he is now, we don't know who he is now. Exactly. We don't know Aubrey. We know Drake, but we don't know Aubrey. You're right. We just know telling who this person is. And that that goes for any celebrities and anybody that you guys listening, seen on the screen, and it's like, oh, we're just gonna take these people at face value because you're you know, they they got a certain image or aesthetics that you are.

SPEAKER_02

So you feel like a lot of artists are cosplaying in?

SPEAKER_05

I feel like a lot of artists. Yes. That's crazy work. I really do. There the the era of rappers actually telling their story was prevalent in the 90s, and I think it died down when marketing in the industry, like in the early 2000s and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_02

I think it got watered down, not died down. It got watered down with mobile rap. Yeah. But who are we to say? We we know the ones who who not real. You can tell, you can you don't feel anything. But some people we might understand it, but they telling their story. We just don't like it. You know what I mean? Um, in this day and age.

SPEAKER_05

Give me one person who is telling their story.

SPEAKER_02

Big ass the pub, he's telling his story. Okay. Um it's artists. Like Trav Diggy, he's telling his story. I gotta always tell him out there. Uh, but the ones that's more that people know of. Yeah. Give me a minute, I just seen it in my head. Uh what's his name? Oh, people listen to Lil Baby. He's still relevant. Lil Baby telling his story. But when you think of artists who aren't, who are you thinking of? You're thinking about the young, the younger generation that's just on that bang bang shooting them up.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, and that to an extent, I feel like it's some manufactured material.

SPEAKER_02

Some is, some ain't.

SPEAKER_05

Some is and some ain't. But again, it's just like but like rap and hip-hop is just more than just telling your story. You got also, as an artist, you have a duty to the society that you live in. You have to contribute more than just like, oh, here's my story. But like, back in the day, we use hip-hop to report to around the world what is going on around us. There's so many things that are so off and messed up about us, we're not vocalized, we're not speaking about, to inspire a revolution. It won't be televised, it can't be audio.

SPEAKER_02

When artists do it though, they don't get herbs. Of course they don't. Because again, that's it. That's what it is saying.

SPEAKER_05

And that's the industry. It's industrialized. Okay, so then it's leads to my next conversation. Everything that's industrialized, that's manufactured, that is created, that has a PRT behind it. If you see that on the screen, you can't really believe in that product anymore. Then how do you pick what's real and what's fake? By listening to people that nobody's listening to.

SPEAKER_02

Or by digging deep on the person you're listening to. Or digging deeper into the whole hip-hop scene in an entire thing.

SPEAKER_05

But don't listen to don't listen to people who are just popular.

SPEAKER_02

Some people talk that.

SPEAKER_05

If you're a fan of hip-hop, no, no, no, no, no. No, you're right. If you are a fan of hip-hop out there, don't be a casual fan of hip-hop. Deep dive deep dive deep.

SPEAKER_02

See what they do for their community, though. You be so oh yes, no, and explore other artists.

SPEAKER_05

Explore artists, explore people that you don't usually hear.

SPEAKER_02

But what I'm saying, yeah, I agree with all that. Um, but with these artists that's out here, see what they do in their community. Because a lot of these mugs, they telling you about their life story because they were in shootouts and all this stuff that happened so that they can make it out and get to the studio, right? Now, just because we don't want to hear that or someone else don't want to hear it, I mean that's not their life. But watch what they do in the community. Because that matters. Are they out there feeding the kids? Are they out there actually taking care of people? Because that matters. Yeah, I agree. You feel me? So definitely support if you're gonna be into that, support the ones who actually giving back. And at least to my next conversation, actually. Right. So you remember uh D1, the rapper who uh made a big thing about Magic City when they were gonna come to the um Atlanta game and have Magic City night?

SPEAKER_17

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

And you know, it was a whole thing. So now he's going off on uh Young Miami, she made that song Spin. Spling it. And it's just like he's attacking the dance, and he because uh the boy who made the dance for it, he went to just because the school with kids. And these kids don't know what the lyrics mean. They just love to dance. Yeah. You know what I mean? So they're just happy to do the dance. And you know, it was just a dope thing, and instantly he bashed it. And I'm just like, um I do get we need to put the positive and inspiring rap out. But we what what's the balance there? Like, we can't we were young listening to things we had no business.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, I mean.

SPEAKER_02

But we didn't know what the words meant. We liked the way it made us feel.

SPEAKER_05

And again, like knowing who D1 is was, and this is like kind of like going, I'm thinking too deep into the situation because you know, he is a pastor, you know what I mean? He's a man of the claw, he uh uh perpetuator of organized religion. So of course he's gonna stand on the side like, oh, we gotta we have to structure, and you know, you know, these kids gotta behave this way, they can't be exposed to this, and you know what I mean? A very old narrative that the church uses when it comes to um molding and guiding children, right? That's this is where he's coming from, right? So with that being said, it's like much of the same same old sample because again, there are rebels in existence. We we are kids. We liked we like hearing the taboo things that we're not supposed to like hear because again, when you're young, you're just like, what is that? Right. What is that all that's sound sound fun? You're not in for the most part, you're not even. And you're not even thinking about what the lyrics are saying, no? Nobody it it took people years to uh to find out what lean with it, rock with it, that um next, ooh, baby, where we're grinding.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, a lot of people thought he was dancing.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, again.

SPEAKER_02

Not knowing, nothing. I'm telling you as a kid, I did not think about it.

SPEAKER_05

It's just again, so just like I feel like adults are uh like you know thinking or people who are belonging in religious organization are thinking a little bit too deep. Too deep about creativity. And if you got an issue, give them a space. You being a musician yourself, D1. Thank you. It's kind of hypocritical for you to be out there criticizing other artists' works when you are an artist and you should understand how artistry works.

SPEAKER_02

Especially when you're not providing a place yourself for them to come and be better. Like you're going and showing up to these places, which I'm sure are paid gigs. So you're getting money off of this, and yeah, you spreading the word, but but it sounds like you also forgetting that these realities exist. You know what I mean? Like, it is what it is. Like, you might not like the song, but these kids ain't thinking about them lyrics. I promise you. If you sit down with these trying to be like, what they talking about? They gonna be like, oh, she just got a lot of money and you need to spend that. Yeah. And I want to go yard back for Christmas.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah. They're very surface level.

SPEAKER_02

That's what they were very surface level. We didn't dig deep on them. We didn't. We didn't. Back like, come on, man. Salt and pepper. Ooh, ooh, ooh. You know what I mean? Like, shoot, shoot, man. I just like the way it sounded. I didn't know she was talking about a man and all that. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_05

Exactly. So just like, you know, um, come on, it's two sides to it.

SPEAKER_02

Like, you can't tear down every song you don't like, bro.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, no, I don't like that either.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, that's my take on music right now.

SPEAKER_05

Let's say on music, I gotta I got a versus versus.

SPEAKER_02

Alright.

SPEAKER_05

You know what I mean? So I like I'm gonna throw a couple verses your way, you tell me which one you're gonna take.

SPEAKER_02

Okay.

SPEAKER_05

Versus Angela Lamar's control verse.

SPEAKER_02

I wanna take control, but I really like the John P. Caddy. Right. I'm gonna take J. Cole.

SPEAKER_05

I really like control. I'm gonna take control. Lil Wayne's six foot seven foot versus Eminem's renegade first. Six foot seven foot.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, renegade went hard, but I'm a little wayne fan, just one of three can't help it. Same birthday. Gang. I mean renegade, yeah. I'm going renegade, I'm sorry. I'm sure.

SPEAKER_05

I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_02

I mean I know that's what I should have picked, but like Wow. We got the same birthday.

SPEAKER_05

Jay-Z was free ver was free first. Do you remember that one? Was free? I don't know that one. Oh no, no, we have a computer right now. Oh yeah. Okay, okay. I think it's short hand.

SPEAKER_10

I don't smoke my niggas won't ever work together. You run a checker, but they never give you fifths of a man, I believe. So I need you.

SPEAKER_09

Do all the free, you know I stay true. Come on out. Told my niggas I need you. Stay up, I know these times ain't true. Life was free.

SPEAKER_10

In Atlanta the free with a blacks enslaved. Three-fifths of a man, I believe's the phrase. I'm 50% of dude saying it's dead free, yeah. 100% of Ace of Spade, worth half a B. Rock nature, half of that, that's my piece. Hundred percent of title to bust it up with my G. Uh, smokes, my niggas won't ever work together. You run a checker, but they never give you leverage. No red hat, no Michael and Prince, meaning they separate you when you got Michael and Princess being a How you one of these house, niggas? You bought my house like a resort. My house bigger than yours, my spot. My route better, of course. We started without food in our mouth, they gave us pork and pig and testers. Shit, you discarded that we ingested. We made the project away. You came back, reinvested, and gentrified it. Some niggas took the pride now how that's free. I ain't got a billion streams, got a billion dollars. Okay, I'll tell you.

SPEAKER_05

So that verse, right? Versus Andre 3000's Life of the Party.

SPEAKER_19

Well, now you gotta play Life of the Party. Nope. I can't do one without the other on this one.

SPEAKER_05

Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.

SPEAKER_02

These are good throwbacks. I haven't listened to once for in a minute either.

SPEAKER_04

I think there's a second verse, too.

SPEAKER_09

Just like Puff Toad, Christopher, we gon' win big. We gon' win big. What side gang mentality way heavy. I was thinking out the box, even in the box, Chevy.

SPEAKER_05

Alright, let's go. And my favorite. Shout out to you though.

SPEAKER_09

Give him enough. Don't know what to make of it. Who you also see.

SPEAKER_14

Do y'all feel me? Such things happen to me.

SPEAKER_04

I think it's a close person. Right, so this one. Or this one.

SPEAKER_01

I love this one. Sparkle personal experiences. Let's listen in America today.

SPEAKER_11

Life of the policy.

SPEAKER_14

Hey, Miss Dundee. You run and tell my mama, please tell her I said say something. I'm starting to believe ain't no such thing as heaven's trumpets. No, after over, this is it done. If there's a heaven, you would think they let you speak to your son. Maybe she has in the form of a baby's laugh. I heard passing by in a stroller. Reminding me, hey, keep rolling on oh. Maybe she has with the prick of a blade of brass. I've been laying on way too long. Got me itchy, got up and roamed a little more. Miss Dun. You see my mama, tell her I'm lost. You see, she'd always light a cigarette. We talk, I would cough, exaggerating a little bit. So she get the point, tryna get her to stop smoking. I would lead and file up a joint till I quit. Started back up again. Twenty years later, all that time. Y'all thought a nigga was hot. Thought I was crazy. My mama, she ain't cut no combas, got me back on track. I don't miss her overstepping, but do miss her showin' seven civilian life shit. I understand it. See my mama whisper her this. The real reason I was geek to go to church, must confess. When y'all grown ups with me in Bible study, that girl helping me with my homework, her and I was fucking so pure and perverted, so spirit spinning and dirty. So on, so on and so on. We hope that no one heard it.

SPEAKER_05

Okay, so which one? Jay-Z. Y'all, see? See? Jay Z. Jay-Z. Jay-Z. Like this was hard, but this was hard, but Jay-Z's versus over what's day. What's free got harder? I was like, I was going on a huge back and forth with my boy. Like, this one's nice. It's nice. It's like nostalgic and stuff like that. But Jay-Z was saying some stuff on what's free, man.

SPEAKER_19

Yeah, he didn't miss nothing, yeah.

SPEAKER_05

Alright, so. Alright, we're gonna do a couple more things and move on from music. Rick Ross, Devil in a New Dress versus Pusha T's and Nostalgia. Push a T. Pusha T. Yeah, I'm gonna go push a T. Push a T and Nostalgia. Yeah, I'm gonna go with that one. Alright. Speaking of Kanye, alright. Kanye's you heard the song Gorgeous? Yeah. First verse. Or any of his two verses on Gorgeous. Okay. You can pick either one. Versus Kendrick Lamaris and Mona Lisa.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, come on, man. That's crazy. Mona Lisa goes hard. Gorgeous go crazy.

SPEAKER_05

Gorgeous go crazy. You can combine them both against Mona Lisa. We can do that.

SPEAKER_02

No, you can't do that. It's already unfair. I don't know. Um, this one has. What's unfair about it? Because they're both really good verses. Yeah. Um both. I mean, Kanye, if you go off of that, then like Kanye killed both verses. Huh? Oh man. Yeah. I'm going Mona Lisa. What? No. See, that's what I'm saying. I was torn, bro. I'm torn. You know, I'ma go, I'm gonna go gorgeous. I'm gonna say, I'm gonna have to venture. I'm gonna have to venture. I'm gonna vent clinic. I'm gonna go gorgeous. I'm gonna venic cremate. I'm gonna have to venture.

SPEAKER_16

I'm going to venture.

SPEAKER_02

I had to hit it in the in my head on my crazy.

SPEAKER_09

And eventually guns. To the call of autumn, all them falling, put the number ballin'. The call with dirty boss the copy of Gallic ballin'. Innocent, based off innocent, based off the way we brandin'. Face in Jerome, get more time than branding. And at the airport, they can call through my bag and tell me that it's random, but we stay winning. This week has been a bad massage. I need to have a window and a new beginning and a new written. This the real world, homie school finish. They can store the joys. You don't know who did it. I treat the girls just the way the government says I'm gon' be satisfied to all my niggas get it. Get it? And you know, push it in the five water. I knew it.

SPEAKER_13

I do feel the slowly flipping. You like she ain't for me, nigga. I hope you alone like bacon tea, nigga. She pour you in the picture. I'll the frame on these niggas.

SPEAKER_15

Nigga, we just looking for the taxi roll, nigga. But she gon' show us where you stash it, though, nigga.

SPEAKER_12

Every day she wake up with a different color makeup and a promise he could take her to the movie and the mouth. Chillin with the liquor on the floor for a quarter for a minute on the clack, black mama with the bow. Papa Rossi lookin' at him both poppin' up a ticker picture. Uh probably on the internet block. In a minute, he gonna be a minute that he lever on his mother, man. He wanna meet her mother by the mouth.

SPEAKER_13

Okay.

SPEAKER_12

Mona Lisa. Lisa Pussy good enough. I got him sitting in the walls, and he digging in it like he living in it, making new religion with him, and a nigga about to go against God.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. I knew I was right. Never go get your gut, people. Yeah, yeah. Nah. First answer is usually correct answers. Mona Lisa, dah. I knew I was right. Mona Lisa, man, gorgeous go hard. Gorgeous do go hard. Well, man, but Kendall's flow is just amazing. In that verse right there? That's amazing. Man, that was just absolutely amazing.

SPEAKER_05

Oh man, okay. Alright, I'm gonna.

SPEAKER_02

That's before we switch topics. Now we gotta do a little musical break.

SPEAKER_05

No, no, no. I want to talk about this before we do the music break. Okay. Because I need to talk to you about your girl, Shiny and Brian.

SPEAKER_02

Y'all wanna do that after the break. Okay after the break. We're gonna be after the break because she's that we have to dig deeper.

SPEAKER_05

Okay, alright, cool.

SPEAKER_02

We need to wind it out and breathe in new energy, cause we're finna go there.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, we're gonna go there. Alright, alright, alright, alright, alright, alright. Music break everyone out there, go ahead and get you a drink. If you feel me. Take a little smoky break. Smoke break, man. Do yourself a little bit because we're gonna get you. I'm gonna play some new uh Rick Ross and TR real quick. New ones. Let's go.

SPEAKER_06

Let's take it back to where we where we love it at. How we only could do what we do. It's the biggest. Um, yeah. Um Stefan Diggs, I need another bitch. I won't stop spinning, go get another brick. She got on my plane to suck another dick. I spent a lot on my chain, so send a condiment. I took all the profits, you keep the compliments. Even on an empty stomach full of confidence. King of the city, let's build a monument. A richer than niggas, go read the final prints. Yeah, boats, coming niggas spendin' the most. You niggas takin' rehab when your singing was flow. Bad boy bag, this ain't rap money. I'll make you rap, niggas. Come and rap for me, rap, nigga. Helicopters comin' on my niggas deep. Rap, nigga. Feds know the mumble, so no need to speak. Where the bitches sellin' pussy, put the kids to sleep. Then I'm running with the steppers, nothing on my feet.

SPEAKER_07

Pardon my demeanor, I'm cleaner, sold out arenas. No love for the other side. Fuck the gray greener. Get in the booth and team up, seen us, temperature heat up.

unknown

I just cranked the machine up, married the game, greener. We're born to beat up since the feed us, I kick my feet up. Dudes paid in poor, look, I can pull the receiver.

SPEAKER_07

Me and God Tima, ain't no way to defeat her. You and Kahoo with demon, we got the W you Dita.

unknown

My follower through have to do away with whoever follow you. Send you to your mama like your father do. Holler, dude, opportunity, knocked out with choppin' and palliable. Eating sold food on Linux Avenue. Ain't got a food cannibal. Got just niggas in threat dealers, mate. Set trippers, go fetch niggas like pet niggas. Hella cynical, been trippin' since clippin' my umbilical.

SPEAKER_07

Identical bullets reach whoever breaches the setting. Mr. King, bitch. I never fold it, never clean switch. Don't understand it, you don't understand. Extinguish the five you sit, double the bit. What you suckin' number, love and respect.

unknown

Why up in the dick? Don't nobody kidna's about you being weird. Do it here.

SPEAKER_07

But take them newvenirs home with us as a souvenir.

SPEAKER_06

I ain't done yet neither. Trayvon digs, they wanna cut a nigga. No, I won't let coach come here, but a nigga. You should ride and coach with all them other niggas. Cause I gotta post a lot of other business. Bitches is emotional and undergiving. I got 30 women put all in one subdivision. Give a nigga space, give a nigga space. Pussy mighty gone, I'm filling up the safe. The nano we ghetto Puerto Rico for weekend. Kippin' cave seats, Colombian women. Drug lords, all I see is drug wars. Bulletproof trucks to the front doors. Two ball your shit, fuck 50 cents. And they never walk away, they go for mini men. Rich raps, nigga, this is rich rap. And before I ever rat, I let a bitch rap. You wanna buy your deal just like your pooch dice. When it's time to kill, trust them too nice. Shootin' for the stars with these two dice. Pull up double logs with the blue lights. Fat boy, yes, matter of fact, boy. Make a rap, nigga running, call it task force. Don't you is the felon, all you do is the tellin'. Nigga toes so fast, prosecutors jealous. They say the street's dead, but it's never that. One shot to the head with a medicine. Cash money, I'm the new cash money. She could hit me in the DM or just ask for me. Every travel. Huh.

SPEAKER_18

If I get rocked, this shit for my kids, nigga. We still hustle till the time come up. Y'all niggas better run to up. And I better be a highest number. You just a lack of now. Now listen, don't you know that so far? Cause no way to get out this kiss, they got no way to eat. We still try to keep my smallin'. Just when it's seat, stop showing in a stomach, stop fallin' in a heat, stop blowing. In a heat, stop workin' in my heat, stop workin'. I'ma fallin' your bossin'. Catchin' niggas steepin' why y'all in the moppin'. And I'ma kiddy We gotta raise our kids, while we never make a million on a racket. Fell my niggas on a prison of the video, I'm access my poison the squadin'. Niggas don't practice, then I hit you with the slippin'. But I'm never snitchin', I'ma blada. If my kids rubber sniff the dishes out your kitchen, I be violin' to they quickly on a lot of picket nice top, shut down, stop rap about it, la la Niggas don't laugh about it. I'm not tryna put it the wall of a freeway. Move out to my sit with the lord. Do I get my shit together, clean up my sins? Freeway, got it down like ten in the morning. And I figured it figure like two like you on it, mate. Still deliver the order, mate. Like you talking about chicken and gravy, mate. I'm talking about bricks, yeah, yo, half the quarter. You do the math. You ain't passed and scoop up your daughter. You wanna roll with a thug that rap you through the map, he won't blast till my stats and order, mate.

SPEAKER_10

Mate, let me get a free rope, never slackin', mate. Trippin' in the black rain, faster than the red goats, kicking ghost in pack, mate. Once I know I gotta knock to get that change, leader of the black gang, all roll C mate, bang like T-Mac, Steam Mac, tear it out. Gotta kill witnesses, cause three fairs stickin' out. Y'all don't wanna witness shit. Three squeeze hammers made, full of screens by you, like a VT anime. But I gotta be T anime. So I move keys, you can call me the piano man. Ray, sleep, hell, snow mate, slang, do eat, hydro mate.

SPEAKER_08

No, BC in the third lane. Ram still praying, working on my nerves, mate. Like son, you gotta get your stove clean. Before they blow them born like cold train. Still I cry tears up my muscle, wipe tears from my mother, pull out beds from my brothers. That's the buggers, make bids for the babies, tuck kids under colours, flock ribs for their mothers. Shit, I probably be wallin' with their followers. Tell me robbers, tell a knot, when I'm rockin' for a flower. Just like my brother, life same mother, different flowers. Any problem on the guy. And still we cry from the bottom, just to make it to the bottom. So rackin' the eye weights. Still gay, back, marksy and holiday. Real gangsters make look holidays. They baggers, but we still pay homage, mate. So fruit, sunny lookin' like big moments, mate. Tell a gang I never break my promise, mate.

SPEAKER_05

Another whole banger. All right, all right, all right, right, right, we're back, we're back, we're back. Doctor Cheyenne Bryan to the front. Yeah, come on, Dr. If you will. Come on, ma'am. All right, all right, swag, lead us off. Well lead us off to the doctor. So to the doctor.

SPEAKER_02

Um, if y'all have been listening, for those who have, you already know we have definitely touched on her, and this is back when we thought she was um doctor. She had a doctorate. So, you know, it's been brought to our attention as of late that she actually does not. The problem with Dr. Shannon Bryant is she gets all this um these opinions and she's she's constantly coming at men about, you know, um, pretty much being toxic and womanizers. And she did it under the umbrella as if she, you know, went through the process. She's dealt with her own healing and pain because she's a doctor. You know, she went to school for it. She can do psychology. She, you know, you're thinking she's really, you know, got the credentials. Right. Based on the platforms that she has been on, you would think they did their homework. But but when you talk louder than what matters, the truth, then I guess it goes a long way. Because, well, come to find out, she's nobody's doctor. She might as well just call herself a life coach. Honestly. Um, yeah, and now that it's out, instead of her just being like, Alright, y'all, yeah, I I messed up. No, you know what she did? I just seen some joint.

SPEAKER_05

Not only double down, but triple down on her.

SPEAKER_02

She compared herself to Jesus, Brick. I seen some joint where she said she compared it to Jesus' walk, how Jesus had to bear the cross.

SPEAKER_04

Right.

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That's what she gotta do. She doubled down.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Okay. And so unfortunately, because you back then even said that you didn't like the rhetoric that she was spilling because she didn't have any solutions. Right. And I'll let you take it from here because I know you've been waiting for this moment.

SPEAKER_05

Now doesn't matter. I'm often vindicated a lot. Oh no, you're not. Time always vindicates my stance. My God loves me. And time tells all. People didn't understand, man. I I I I I see things from a very clairvoyant stance. The only thing she did wrong was I'm rocking here. I'm rocking here. Okay. Okay, go ahead. It's yet again, Asad is always right. Now, see, people, what you have failed to realize that this is much your fault for believing everything that you see on a screen. And just because somebody is pretty and they speak a very eloquent way.

SPEAKER_02

And you're speaking to these people on platforms.

SPEAKER_05

And they're very charming. They come across as credible.

SPEAKER_02

And this is also towards the people who should have done their due diligence who put her on these platforms where we could hear her. I'm walking this dog. Because there was a lot of men that did it.

SPEAKER_05

Can I walk this dog real quick?

SPEAKER_02

You can. There was a lot of men that did it.

SPEAKER_05

We walked this dog. There's a lot of con artists that did it. And people need to realize there's a lot of con artists out there. Newton did it. Shannon Sharp. Cam Newton, Shannon Sharp athletes, not real, not real authentic journalists, people. People were just large platforms. That's step one. She's never been on a credible platform as a doctor. Tonight's conversation is not uh CNN, MSNBC, anything like that to really speak from the perspective that she has as a practicing medical doctor.

SPEAKER_02

She went to the Black Wealth Summit.

SPEAKER_05

Wealth Summit? Is that journalism? It is.

SPEAKER_02

That's what I'm saying. Some people slip through the cracks, bro.

SPEAKER_05

Look, man.

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She slipped through the cracks. Because she's pretty and speaks eloquently. And her daddy taught her a lot that she still carries to this day.

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Because her daddy's a hustler. And she a hustler taught somebody how to hustle. This is no surprise.

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I'm not agreeing with what she did.

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I'm telling you, I'm not disagreeing with listen. She could have went terrible. She could have done all of that and said, hey, I'm a life coach.

SPEAKER_02

She's more harm harmful this way than she realized.

SPEAKER_05

Don't say that you're a doctor and a practicing therapist. If all you do is spew problems. And your opinion on that. Reiterate rhetorics with just a dash of your opinions and experiences in it. And present no solutions. Exactly. And I agree. You are an unethical and a horrible doctor. It's like you go into and say you're sick. And the doctors tell you everything that is wrong with you, but he's not telling you anything how to make it better. No, they're just saying it's not a good thing. Not even presenting any options.

SPEAKER_02

But you are sick, but you're sick. I don't know how to cure you. And that's what she did. But you're sick. And that's what she did. You know what I'm saying? And that's that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_05

Any doctor don't even have the slightest clue. I mean, not even the slightest clue to how to fix you. It's a horrible doctor. Not even like, no, no, no, not even saying yo, yo. I'm not sure what's going on with you, but it could be this, it could be that, it could be this, it could be that. And if that's the case, we got X, Y, and Z. A doctor presents options to me.

SPEAKER_02

I agree. I just don't understand why she's a good thing.

SPEAKER_05

This Dr. Cheyenne Bryant presented, never once presented any options towards a solution, but yet we're gonna take her word and say she's a doctor. The fact that she got exposed for this vindicates everything I've said about her.

SPEAKER_02

I'm not a broken clock. You are sometimes. We all are. That's a way of life, brother. Like everything is not just perfect. If you cannot be a few, you gotta be 10 minutes late. You're flawed. You already said that. Okay, brother, say what you want. Um Denial is also a beast, and I don't need a doctor's degree for that. But I'm never a few. What I'm saying is where her it's harmful because she didn't even have to do all that. In this day and age, you don't have to lie and say you have a doctorate. You don't. You can be an influencer. You can say you started, but you never finished. You can say these are your opinions, because while all men. Why all men don't fit the mode. Because that's what she's going at. She was going at men. Why all men don't fit the mode of womanizer, a lot of men do. Period. You know what I mean? So it's not that her conversation was wrong. It's just she never had any solutions, and that's her problem. And you present yourself as a doctor.

SPEAKER_05

Here at the Mac Podcast, we're not doctors. But the let but the things that we do on this platform, other than share our experiences and thorough, and stories and thoughts and stuff like that, we present at least some possible solutions. May not be solutions you agree with, but it's something. Better than but I'm not over here saying this is Dr. Asothi artist. Nah. This is Dr. Chemistry here. No. We're not doing that.

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I'm not saying the ten toes down on it.

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I'm just saying, nine toes and two heels on it. And comparing yourself to the likes of Jesus is absolutely insanity.

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And that's because that's the, and I I don't know. I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_05

You're being you're making up a doctor and say that you're being like a made-up character.

SPEAKER_02

I think that a lot of what's happening right now is happening in the women's world, as far as like, especially with her, I'll say, um, it's kind of narcissistic behavior. She's a narcissist. And it's it's but you know, it's it's look at her. It's rare to see women like that, but it's they're coming out in the trobes now, it seems.

SPEAKER_05

How she talks, screams, narcissism.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, and so it's just I, you know.

SPEAKER_05

Her whole aura is narcissism. And it just sucks because every con artist is a narcissist.

SPEAKER_02

I just don't feel like she had to lie. That's why they're con artists. You're doing more harm to the community than you realize. You know what I'm saying? For the little girls that look up to you, now they see it like, oh, well, I could just take the cheat code. Why would I go to school when I can just go online?

SPEAKER_05

She's pretty and I can speak well.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I can speak really well. And so I'm gonna go online and just do this and say I'm a doctor. You know what I mean? Like, that's just terrible because we need more of our people to go to school with me. And why didn't you just finish it? Like, even now that you're going through this, go to school.

SPEAKER_05

Go to school.

SPEAKER_02

Humble yourself. If you're if your school burnt burned down, she said the school burned down and they can't find the rug.

SPEAKER_03

Okay, right. So girl, if you don't tell the truth.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, them days is done as far. Listen, I don't even know, but she's lying. Allegedly. Truthfully. And there's no digital backups. I just don't understand why she's going so hard on it. You know what I mean? Like, she never addressed it. In my opinion. She should have just changed, she should have dropped the doctor and been like, she's not a child. This is Cheyenne Bryant. Influencer. I don't know.

SPEAKER_05

Something else. You can say I'm a I'm a mental coordinator. Right. Something like that. But Dr. Cheyenne Bryant, you know. And then this and this goes to us the people, man. We gotta learn how to like really not jump into things that we see. Don't don't fall for the surface level thing. Step back and just see where exactly are these people coming from. Wait for the credits to drop. You can't take things, we gotta stop taking things at face value. Because face value isn't really the actuality of the situation of who you're coming across or who you're dealing with. Everybody pretends to be somebody that they're not. There is a lot of bops and birds out here in this world, but they want to be online acting like they're a whole saint and a great mother.

SPEAKER_02

I mean, yeah, I pay on that.

SPEAKER_05

You feel what I'm saying? There's a lot of lot of real POS dudes out here, out here masquerading online as great social media dads and great dudes. I do agree with you. Just because you see it on the screen does not make it truth.

SPEAKER_02

Like if they say something that resonates with you, now dig deep into who they are. Yes. You know, go through the page and go before they were born. Do your own work. I scroll all the way to the bottom of people. Betting.

SPEAKER_05

Betting is a process as much needed.

SPEAKER_02

That's why journalism matters.

SPEAKER_05

That's why you have to vet properly. Yeah, well, that comes from, like we said, and unfortunately, to all the Gen Zers out there and below. I love y'all, but jeez. Patience. It's a virtue. It's a virtue. And betting takes patience. You can't just believe something you see on the screen and take it as it is. No, you can't. You can't.

SPEAKER_02

It's just not.

SPEAKER_05

I'm so sick of y'all.

SPEAKER_02

Just falling for the whoop-de-whoop. Because nobody's telling them this, you know? And it's like when they find out that it's not what they thought it was gonna be, then they butthurt. And it's like, well, you don't have to be.

SPEAKER_05

Reality is here. You gotta see what's in front of you. I gotta, I'm touching speakers. I'm not seeing a speaker on the screen, but like, oh, that's no, no, no. I'm touching it. It's real life things. You definitely gotta be on what you see on the screen.

SPEAKER_02

You definitely gotta dig deep and research. Anyone who resonates with research is free. Google is still free. But even a crazy person sometimes says some stuff that hits you like, what? So, you know. Okay, cool, but things that work for you. That's the message. Exactly. That's what I'm about to say.

SPEAKER_05

Do not put much stock into the messenger. Yeah, but you can't say that. You do music, so don't put stock into you. Put stock into the music and the message. Okay, touch. Put stock into that. It just so happened to be your voice. It just so happened to come through this vessel. This vessel is a flawed man. But the music and the Message is still the same.

SPEAKER_02

See, I'm flaw, but my music and message is me. It's my story. It's what I learned. It's the gems I'm dropping. It's something that I, you know, so that is true. But you can also research it.

SPEAKER_05

But you can also research it.

SPEAKER_02

Watch this though. You can research it.

SPEAKER_05

I mean, I do have some, you know. You know, yeah, like again, you get idolized research. It's crazy. But research, me search. Yeah, it goes back to that. Betting, patience, these are things that people need to uh put in their mental stratosphere, yo. Um But yeah, those are my thoughts on that.

SPEAKER_02

So do you think, at least to my question, I have then too. I had a question. So let's say, hypothetically, um she didn't double down on this, right? And she said, okay, I'm not a doctor. Do you think, and I'm just using her as an example, but this is a general question for anybody, whether they're famous or not, do you think people can rebrand themselves?

SPEAKER_05

Absolutely. Because if you're accountable, if you held yourself accountable for um your mistakes and whatever your shortcoming is, like, people love to see a comeback story.

SPEAKER_19

Yeah, they do.

SPEAKER_05

They love to see a comeback story.

SPEAKER_19

I know I do.

SPEAKER_05

You know what I mean? They they want to root for the downfall, but then they want to see you come back from that at the same time.

SPEAKER_02

And I actually do love that because that shows that humanity's not completely lost.

SPEAKER_05

It's not completely lost. It's never, it never has been. It never will be. It never has it really never has been. But that's what's saying, like, yes, you can absolutely. Uh oh boy that we know. You know what I mean? Major F boy, you know what I mean? Like that, that dude, right? Even though this never happened. But say one day he has a come to Jesus moment, right? Okay. And you know what I'm saying? He actually's like, you know, he steps up, you know what I mean, go goes out to be a better brother to um his sisters and little brother. He goes out to be a better partner to his lady. Okay. He goes out to be a better friend to his people. He goes out to be actually be a better man than the man-child, little boy that little weak ass. So I'm just saying, is that rebrand rebrand possible? You saying is that re like if he just it just hits him and he's like, yo, I've been a total mess and a half this whole entire time. I am sorry, I'ma hold myself accountable. But his actions follow. That's why about the five. If he had the actions, he's actually like inconsistent with his actions.

SPEAKER_02

With this person, rebranding takes time, which means it would have to be consistency for me at least, um, just to see, two, two, three years. Yeah. Because then I know you really need it. You gotta give things time. But people, that's why patience is a virtue. Patience is a virtue. Wait, so rebranding is possible when you think about it like that, but you have to be consistent with the rebrand. Yeah. Don't just do it to save face. Nah. Right? Don't just do it because you don't like everybody talking about you like this. So now, well, I'm gonna do this until it sticks.

SPEAKER_05

Like, nah, that's not how that's how it works.

SPEAKER_02

So I guess rebranding is possible.

SPEAKER_05

It is absolutely possible. So just like that's what I'm saying. Like, a lot of people in this world need to like, again, when you're when you're having somebody and you're coming across these energies and these new faces and these new, like, you're like, oh, this is resonating. Because it resonates with you, doesn't mean you need to go ahead and dive all the way deep into whoever the the message, the vessel. You know what I'm saying? Because the vessel is just you.

SPEAKER_02

Because it can come in many forms. It comes in many forms. It does. And it reflects you, like, you know, just you can get a goddog on fortune cookie and it hit home. And it hit homes. Right.

SPEAKER_05

You know what I'm saying? So it's just like when it comes from an actual vessel, and I be appreciative of that message. When people like come with me, they tell, they say whatever they need to say to me, you know what I'm saying? It's like, okay, I'm seeing the message, but of like the messenger, hey, kudos for that. Appreciate that. Good luck, big dog. And I'm not gonna forget you for that, but what I'm not gonna do is idolize you and just take everything that you say at face value. Yeah. That'll be crazy work. I gotta look at that message. I gotta think, I gotta think about that message. I gotta dissect it.

SPEAKER_02

Because you can be consistent though on your things and not have any type of degree besides a degree of life, and that's what I have. Hey, you know what I'm saying, but you know, so I I I I feel you're gonna dig deep. You know, I uh vet. I think it's important. Like, that's why that's why I keep bringing up journalism and stuff, right? Because um uh the world we live in really doesn't they don't respect journalists. No. Like, and that's scary. You know what I'm saying? Because we already we we already getting rid of newspapers. And newspapers are made to tell the truth, the news, the actual news with with information and sources and things to back it up. And now we have so many people who can just throw doctors in front of their name. Um, who can just say this is how they feel, but don't know. I got a PhD. Don't know whether or not it's true. They can say right now. Right now they can say that we bombed uh Greece. And some people are wrong with it depending on who says it. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_05

AI video can drop you if people believe it. And that's why journalism gotta come back. Like That's what I'm saying, man. These people have to understand vetting and research is imperative. It's important, man. It's imperative.

SPEAKER_02

It is, it really is. Like, it's it's journalists who are out here fighting for us every day who are literally getting acts put on them, like laws passed with their name on it. And that's crazy. So look up Nick Shirley, we can revisit that later, but the Nick Shirley act is real. And he's a journalist, you know what I mean? So research, find out, fact-find.

SPEAKER_05

Fact fine. Next episode, I'm gonna really get into this whole uh Carmelo Anthony. Uh well, I don't want to get into it because of the fact that, you know.

SPEAKER_02

No, we can't.

SPEAKER_05

Um it's pretty much of the same thing, like we can.

SPEAKER_02

Because we gotta do something different.

SPEAKER_05

Because here's the thing about like hard pivot. Hard to pivot. But uh the because it again, it's just been on my mind a lot. It should be. And I and I and it's terrifying, but it's just like at the same time, it's much of the same thing that we have been dealing with this entire time. We have to understand as me, as we as black people, have to understand there is no such thing as a justice system for us.

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We are three still three-fifths of a person.

SPEAKER_05

There's no we're here in America, we will not be getting no justice.

SPEAKER_02

You will never get equal justice.

SPEAKER_05

We will never do, we would never have equal.

SPEAKER_02

You gotta be rich. And even then, you taking 50-50 chances. No, not even rich. Yes, brother. Just even rich. OJ got off because he had money. Okay. If he didn't have money, he'd be going to jail.

SPEAKER_05

That's another uh example why there is no such thing as a justice system. This is a business. It's a business, amen. This is a business. If you're poor and you're black, you're going to jail for the most part. You're going. Like you could be completely um You could be guilt. Uh button. No, no, no. You could be innocent. Or you could be in the absolute right, like Carmelo Anthony be in a self-getting jumped by four. Come on, man. And defending your life and well-being. Come on, man. Your life and well-being does not mean anything to do.

SPEAKER_02

And then for it to be held even in the same county where it happened, that's not supposed to happen. The jury appears was not his peers. Not his peers. And and that's why I say we we can't talk about it because instead of getting so upset about it, we have got to, we have got to come together. We got to start putting our money together. We got to get our little young black boys when they get caught up in these situations. We gotta put our money together and get them lawyers.

SPEAKER_05

Get them, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Like real lawyers. Put them in the proper, like to who can fight for them to it because that brought it up.

SPEAKER_05

Even if you look at the facts of that case, it's clear-cut, dry, self-inference.

SPEAKER_02

That's like for Justice for Cyrus, my guy that uh the little boy that passed in South Carolina. He was shot running away. Yeah. In the back. Yeah. And the dude got off.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

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Come on.

SPEAKER_05

That's what I'm saying. This is not uh, again, it's an ugly reality that we deal with every day. And again, it gets so frustrating, but it's just like everyone knows my thoughts about how we should respond and going forward, but I'm not gonna vocalize it on that um FCC airwaves. But hey man, nucky be buck type of thing. You know what I'm saying? But again, this is a business, and seeing these so many black out people black people being outraged by this or being heartbroken or being disappointed and stuff like that. I understand the emotional man, we could go back to Emmy Till with this.

SPEAKER_02

We go back even further than that, right? So it's like I get I get the feeling of it, but we have got to figure out something, something better.

SPEAKER_05

Here in Celeste, like you said, um, having all these you know rich black celebrities, they couldn't.

SPEAKER_02

They always want to come out after the verdict. You feel me? Like that's what they're doing.

SPEAKER_05

Or like legal funding organization for underserving black comedians like that.

SPEAKER_02

Black and brown. Black and brown, whatever. It's just comedians like that, period. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05

Because again, money and even in the justice system, it's a justice business, to be honest with you.

SPEAKER_02

And don't get the people who are not of color go through this too because they're below the property line.

SPEAKER_05

But like, if you're of color and you're going through this, but you have money, you have a better odds of getting out of here. You definitely got a fighting chance. You definitely got a fighting chance. Like when I was going through what I was going through, being at the defendant chair and looking at my jury or the jury of my peers. You actually went through this, that's right. Yes, looking at the jury of my peers. In my mind, I'm like, I'm screwed, I'm going to jail, even though I did absolutely nothing. Nothing. That's so scary. So just like that's just what it is. But you had a lawyer, though, huh? I had a public defender. Oh, wow. So in my mind, I'm like, yo, you're going to jail. I'm super blessed to be here.

SPEAKER_02

You super blessed. Like, he is literally the anomaly of people who look like him. Yeah. With a public defender. Right. With a jury of people who are normally not our peers getting here and still being here today. So like, thank God for that.

SPEAKER_05

So, but like again, this is an anomaly. Yeah. This doesn't that that doesn't happen all the time.

SPEAKER_02

It's so rare.

SPEAKER_05

Even though it should happen. Yeah. Because the facts are facts. The facts are the facts. Like I tell you, the sky is blue.

SPEAKER_02

But see, the sky is blue. That's the thing about being a lawyer, right? While facts are facts, if you can.

SPEAKER_05

If you tell the better story, if you tell a better story. Exactly. If you can tell a better story.

SPEAKER_02

Literally, the uh the uh Cyrus, the one who just who got shot in the back in South Carolina, uh, while running away, the reason why the person who shot him got off is because they brought up his Instagram. Right. And he had one picture with him holding a gun.

SPEAKER_05

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02

One picture. And now he's a criminal. He's a criminal. This is bound to happen anyway.

SPEAKER_05

He was definitely stealing a bottle water. A bottle of water. So I'm just saying, like, we got we got our young black men out there being sentenced for 35 years in terms of. No, after we got jumped. We got other black men out here having a life loss for no good reason at all for a water bottle. I mean, again.

SPEAKER_02

That's he got jumped for what? They don't even know. And so he defended himself with what he cleans his cleats with? Come on, man.

SPEAKER_05

And the fact that we do need to do something.

SPEAKER_02

But what do we need to do?

SPEAKER_05

I need all my black folks to just come together and organize. Like, let's come up with like a secret meeting spot or something. I mean, I'm telling you though, look, the Black Panther Party, uh It needed to be a resurgence of that for sure. Like an actual one, for sure. Because we can move then competition. I know the CIA is listen, man. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.

SPEAKER_02

Well, we're not promoting violence.

SPEAKER_05

We're just saying that smoke to me.

SPEAKER_02

There ain't nothing wrong with us trying to figure out a better way so we can move forward. Like we said, like instead of coming together after the trial, we need for the people who are in the position to come before the trial. We've been knew about Carmelo Anthony.

SPEAKER_17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

We knew about this case. Right. Why why none of them Cardi B just donated so much money to the family for a better defense? She knew about it before. I'm not putting all on her. I'm just using her as an example, though. You know what I mean? Like, we gotta do this before. We can't get mad after no more. We gotta do something during it. We gotta get them better lawyers. We gotta we gotta do something better. It's a solution in there somewhere.

SPEAKER_05

It's a solution here somewhere.

SPEAKER_02

But that's the difference between us. You see what we're doing here? Yeah, yeah. We're coming up with solutions.

SPEAKER_05

Solution here somewhere. We're bringing up the problem. And I'm over here saying nook if you book.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, he over there, Michael Mix. You know, that's why you got Martin Luther and Michael Mix finally together. Because I don't disagree with the nook.

SPEAKER_05

I'm I'm so we gotta book where it matters. But let's look at it. Look at what look where we've been this entire time. If it's not the time to buck or knuck or any of the such, I don't know when it's gonna be the time to do that.

SPEAKER_02

I want to tell you one thing that I did see that happen with um uh we should start knucking with the outcome of the Cyrus thing. Because this wasn't knucking in a different way. Um with that's with the outcome of the verdict, um, Jermaine Johnson is running. This could be the first black governor we had in South Carolina. He's running for that. And because of what happened with Cyrus, so many young kids, and and shout out to Tanay and Dana, you know, a lot of people I know back home who are like, they're they're they're grap they're wrapping the youth up because they're hurting and they're making them vote. So now we might, if everybody show up again for the next election, we might have our first black governor who actually from the street who actually understands what needs to be done. So that's a way to knock.

SPEAKER_05

That's one way to knock.

SPEAKER_02

Yep.

SPEAKER_05

It's very diplomatic. Well, you know, I'm very diplomatic, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02

But it's But the Leo said, y'all know it's meet me here in the jump.

SPEAKER_05

Fire. It's time to fight. Okay, all right. Ooh, the CIA is like, okay, his name is Ashley Moon. Okay. All right, anyways, man, moving right along, man. But like, hey man, thoughts and prayers, man, to all of our young black men. Me being a father of two of them. I'm petrified by the upcoming days, but I'm gonna do the best I can.

SPEAKER_19

Hey, we're gonna keep going, we're gonna teach them the right way.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, and let them know what what what time it is and keep their head on as well who they are in this world. And that is the heartbreaking thing that I have to continue the conversation. They gotta always be aware of to me when I was young.

SPEAKER_02

When you go into spaces where you don't see many of you, you definitely better pay attention. You definitely have to pay attention. Read the room. We have to teach our kids how to read the room. And read people. And read people and feel intentions and man, and this is a good idea. We have to teach them a lot. And it's okay we gotta do this too. It's unfair for them.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, it's unfair for them.

SPEAKER_02

We gotta make them almost afraid of life before they even get to live it. And that's the stat scary.

SPEAKER_05

That's scary. That's the scary part about it all. That sucks. But you know, America. All right. Merc.

SPEAKER_02

With that being said, happy belated birthday to pop.

SPEAKER_05

Happy Ballet.

SPEAKER_02

Birthday was yesterday. You're on fire.

SPEAKER_05

Um, we want to do some uh Woody Rathers. Yeah, let's do a little bit.

SPEAKER_02

You got some, you got some. Yeah, we're gonna end it on this.

SPEAKER_05

We're gonna end it on some Woody Rathers and some delusional or dessert. I got I got uh, let's do three Woody Rathers, okay? Would you, let me see, which one I have on here? Okay. Would you rather live 500 years but never leave your hometown? Or live 50 years but travel the entire world.

SPEAKER_02

50 years. I think you can see the whole world in touch that many people. 50 years. You know, 500 years in the same hometown is dope because of the root. But man, I'm gonna be so dusty. So give me them 50.

SPEAKER_05

Alright. Would you rather lose all of your memories or lose the ability to create new ones?

SPEAKER_02

Dang, man. Because the old, you know, that's with the new one. It's like I'm always gonna be map stuck in the old ones and never make no new, but if I make the new, once they old, I'm not gonna remember them anyway. Hell, I'm gonna go with new. Because if that's the case. I need to know all the things I'm gonna do. I just need to keep going forward. I'm gonna forget eventually anyway.

SPEAKER_05

Alright. Got two more. Would you rather have a guaranteed happy marriage or a guaranteed financial success? You can't have both. You gotta pick one or the other.

SPEAKER_02

I'm gonna suck up a love. Guaranteed happy marriage. But we got each other, man. Let me tell you something. I don't want to die old and lonely, cuz I don't think I will. We all grow old and lonely. Nah, we all don't. Nah, nah, we don't. Okay. We don't. Right. Sorry about it. We don't all grow old. Not old and lonely. I take a guaranteed marriage, you know what I mean? Like the money. But if a guaranteed marriage before. First of all, people have sex for free.

unknown

Okay.

SPEAKER_05

Guaranteed marriage, right? But that marriage is happy, but it's gonna end one day. Then you will end up. Say your partner dies before you, you're gonna be old in what? Lonely. So that's if that's your reasoning, because you don't want to be. I don't know, though, because I had that already. Oh so you won't be lonely with your partner, your marriage. I won't.

SPEAKER_02

If it if she if she dies before me, I won't be because I had that. Okay. So I'll be able to tell people like I've had that. That's what I'm saying. Now before we move forward, you gotta answer these same questions, because yeah, uh-uh.

SPEAKER_05

So the first would you rather was uh live 500 years in the same hometown or travel the world.

SPEAKER_02

So what would you do?

SPEAKER_05

I mean, if I'm forever young and that was probably a hundred years. That wasn't part of your equation. That wasn't part of my equation. Yeah, give me the 50 years on that one. And uh next one. So what was the next one? Oh, lose all my memories or lose the ability to create new ones. I'd rather lose all my memories because fuck it. I remember. I love I love saying that.

SPEAKER_03

You know what?

SPEAKER_02

Yo, you this is stainless, y'all, in real form. Y'all better be glad he can't snap his fingers. Alright. Nah, remember none of y'all. I don't want to remember none of it. All right, so would you be, I already know what you think. You picking fine name, though. You give him the docket.

SPEAKER_05

Give me that money, bitch. Money. I need the greater two. I'm gonna suckle for love, man. Hey, everyone got their own. I feel like love is just like so fleeting and it always comes and goes. It's wealthy though, man. It's no, no, it's a beautiful thing. Don't get me wrong. I'm not anti-love. I'm not anti.

SPEAKER_02

But it does come and go.

SPEAKER_05

Oh, yeah. But it comes and go. It's nothing that can um keep it. Yeah, it's not that you can do that's uh it's not it's not gonna be a forever thing.

SPEAKER_02

Both parties gotta be willing.

SPEAKER_05

That's hard. It's not gonna be forever thing. But you know what it is a forever thing?

SPEAKER_19

Financial success.

SPEAKER_05

Right. Generations. I got generations of things.

SPEAKER_02

And see, I I feel that. See, that's why I said I'm used to sucker for love.

SPEAKER_05

Me, that love stuff is out the window, man. What can we do to best secure what the love I got is for these little babies I got.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. And that's where you come in with the financial. That's where the financial I got. And I love that, though. I gotta do it for them. I love that though. That just shows how good of a father you are. Like your first one. I'll sacrifice what you love. You'll sacrifice love. Yeah. For the kids. As long as your baby's okay.

SPEAKER_05

As long as my baby's okay, I'll sacrifice whatever I need to. I'll take that. That's beautiful. For sure. Alright, let's go. Um, one last one. Would you rather your worst enemy become rich or the ex that you fell deeply in love with become famous?

SPEAKER_02

The ex I fell deeply in love with become famous. Okay. Because you said the other one was what? Worst enemy becomes rich. Well, I don't want them living their best life. Child boo. I used to have sex with her. I'm telling the whole world, she's famous. I used to tear the ass up. Okay, what you talking about? I'm the one I got the coochie before it was famous. Okay, and now y'all want it and I had it.

SPEAKER_05

Same. I'm saying same right there. I ain't holding you. I ain't gonna hold you. Okay, I got too delusional or deserving. Alright. Okay. Let me see. Let me see. Let me see. Well not move, you move. Alright. Someone believes they deserve forgiveness, but refuse to forgive others.

SPEAKER_02

The Lululu. How you gonna ask for what you won't give?

SPEAKER_05

But maybe they feel like they've been wronged by everybody, but they do no wrong.

SPEAKER_02

Child, if that well, that's the Well they don't do no wrong. We can't walk through this world without doing something wrong. I'm sorry. You might you might not even mean to do it because you don't understand what's going on. You feel me? I wasn't, I wasn't raised domesticated. So like some things don't make sense to me. It didn't make sense to me at one point in time, right? Like I wash my dishes. Why am I clean up behind everybody else? You know what I mean? Like if you want me to clean the pasta pants that you cook with, I'm gonna do that, but I'm only gonna wash mine. Right. Right? But in the shared space, everybody gotta do it a certain day. Right? Right? Right? So yeah, you can't, no, delusional.

SPEAKER_05

Alright, I agree with that. Uh a man with three kids by three women saying that good women don't exist. Is that man delusional? Is that man deserving?

SPEAKER_02

He's delusional and he deserves everything he gets from them church. I disagree. I disagree. Time out. Let me make sure I heard this right, because you're about to make my head hurt. A man who has three kids with three women. What's the next part?

SPEAKER_05

Feel like what? I feel like good women don't exist.

SPEAKER_02

And you agree with that.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

I have to hear what you why. I'm gonna hold it.

SPEAKER_05

Because sometimes just because you make a baby with a woman doesn't mean necessarily that woman's a good woman. So then you say, sometimes some men, some men fall in love with the wrong type of women. Just as some women fall in love with the wrong type of men. And it goes vice versa. It's what's good for the goose. It's good for the gander. And if you've been with three POS BMs, you're gonna have the feeling like, dang, I can't catch a break. I can't find a good woman anywhere. That can just really settle down. I've literally been at the batting plate and I struck out strike one, strike two, and strike three, I'm out because I have yet to find a good woman. Just like a woman with three baby daddies can feel like no good men exist.

SPEAKER_02

And I'm gonna tell her the same thing I'm gonna tell you. Y'all both delusional and crazy. You decided to go raw and make babies with three different people. And because your taste sucks and you keep trying and you don't know how to wrap it up until you know the person now, it what? That doesn't make sense. That makes absolute sense. It makes no sense. It sounds like bitter sense. You went raw, these women. You made a decision.

SPEAKER_05

They made a decision to have sex raw.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, and now y'all got a baby. That don't make them a bad person. They just want the person for you.

SPEAKER_03

They just want the woman for you.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, and that's what? Guess what then? That's all you got. You didn't know them. You ain't take the time to see if they was even worth it. Probably don't even know the family cousin, but you mad about what you pick. Male or female. Male or female. This goes both ways.

SPEAKER_05

And so for you to judge everybody over that, but then we talk about say you get with the relationship, right? You you actually do things the right way. Three times. Three times. You actually did things the right way. And you struck out three times. Three times. Something's wrong with you. No. I ain't doing that. I ain't about that. This is my ex. Say, say yo, say, say, dude, he started out young. He had a he had a kid at 21, right? But he was with this. But he was with this girl for like three years before, no other family, but they got together, da da. But they're young. They split up, and that's one kid with that. Boom. Let's move on to like say say a few years goes by. He's doing his thing, but he finds yet another woman. He's in his mid-20s right now. You know what I'm saying? And they're they're getting together, they're having dates, they're getting to know each other, da-da-da. They get together, they have a kid. Boom, boom, it doesn't work out because she doesn't feel like it happens the third time, same way. And then they break up third time, same way. He does things the right way, trying to do things, trying to build a relationship, trying to build the marriage, trying to do things right, but he ends up not picking the right woman. Okay.

SPEAKER_02

I promise you that person has a type. And they're picking the same person over and over and wonder why they're not getting right. I promise you. Bro, statistically, I can put this on everything. Okay, I don't need a PhD to know that this monk paying with they. Okay, philosophically, bro, you you gotta be picking the same thing. If you're getting the same outcome over and over and over, that's insanity. You're choosing the wrong thing.

SPEAKER_05

No, no, no, so say each time, man, he's in a different circumstance, and each and every time he has a different mental approach, each and every time, but he yet somehow always wanna end up with the same type of woman. Say he dates, say his first baby mama's a black woman, be like, okay, we'll do it with another baby mama's same color person. But like another couple, like just different type of personality.

SPEAKER_02

Say like a different type of person. At some point, you gotta be like, why is it if I keep meeting these different type of people, and why we love giving life, because that's a beautiful thing, right? Um, why is it not working out till the end? It's a common denominator, bruh. I bet you can't be on the children. You bet you out of all the entire time out of them three, but they're gonna be able to do it.

SPEAKER_05

They can be moving the right way the entire time. I bet you're right. And they just had the unfortunate experience of just having making three bad calls.

SPEAKER_02

Guess what? That happens, but that don't mean that all pe all people like that.

SPEAKER_05

But after three bad calls, you're gonna have to like, uh, what's going on? You have to look at yourself, not the other person. You the one that's like, But you're the one that doing everything right, though. You're doing everything right on your end.

SPEAKER_02

Once again, you could be doing everything right, but you gotta be choosing something that's the same. Gotta be, bro. There's no way that you can put a whole species of people. You might just be going in your hometown. Maybe you need to leave from out your city or state. You feel me? Like you need to do something different so you can get a different outcome.

SPEAKER_05

I don't know how I feel about your takes, right?

SPEAKER_02

Hey man, you ain't gotta agree, but I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_05

It's nuance.

SPEAKER_02

Well, then I guess you're gonna be bitter. I'm sure.

SPEAKER_05

That's all right, though. You're gonna be rich and bitter. I mean, I know, right?

SPEAKER_02

I'm not talking about you, but you agree with the side of it.

SPEAKER_05

I agree, because and again, the other side in the cut both ways. A woman could be a very great woman, a very great partner, supportive partner, and she just ended up picking up three POS dudes. We both seen it. I've seen it. We both seen it. And she's like a sweethearted, total, a real woman, a real good woman who just has.

SPEAKER_02

And I would say the same thing to her. Baby, you doing something, something gotta change.

SPEAKER_05

What maybe a good partner. No, no, no, don't you want to try to do that? Don't try to be, uh don't try to be emotionally available. Don't try to build, don't try to be in a relationship with people.

SPEAKER_02

What? And if it's that case And it's on them. It's not on them. No, no, no. I'm not saying it's on them in the way that you're gonna be able to do it. You just said you say they gotta change. I'm saying that something's gotta shake. Every if you keep picking the same type of person, even if it's a different way, something's gotta shake. And since you can't change the outside world, you gotta change what you're doing in some way, shape, or form.

SPEAKER_05

So, okay, so here I am. Say, say, say, say like I'm I'm in this situation, right? But here I am, I really am trying to be a good dude. I'm trying to build this relationship, trying to try to do things the right way. And I try to things, do things the right way. Three times I try to do it right, build the connection, take our time with it, build that trust, build the fucking, build the camaraderie, get to know the family, all that stuff. I did that three times. But there's something wrong with me. Nope, I said nothing wrong with you.

SPEAKER_02

Crazy. I said you do something together. So I gotta do something to you. Have you ever thought about celibacy? Maybe you need to fall back. But I'm taking breaks in between. No, you're not, because you got three. You ain't taking enough. I'm serious over. So I got a date once a decade. I gotta date something. I'm not attacking the person.

SPEAKER_05

No, the person in the city. I'm just saying. But so the person got a date once a decade or something.

SPEAKER_02

Or keep going through this and you're gonna have 10 kids with 10 different moth parking baby mama daddies, and now everybody sucks.

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Yo.

SPEAKER_02

Because you didn't want to wrap it up because you like the way it feels. Wow. I'm just saying, if I keep running into the same thing three times, I promise you I'm not going raw no more, cousin. I promise you, I might go celebrated because maybe something's wrong. I promise you, I'm not gonna date within my community no more.

SPEAKER_05

Why was that dude not getting vasectomy?

SPEAKER_02

There you go. Dudes can do that because you can reverse it. Crazy work. Crazy work. Crazy work, but y'all wanna have that conversation.

SPEAKER_05

I mean, no, I told you I'm gonna do that. I told you I'd be down to do it. I just need a black doctor.

SPEAKER_02

Okay.

SPEAKER_05

I'm not putting my nuts in no white man's hands. Sorry. They also have nuts, though, you know that, right? Okay.

SPEAKER_02

You can be like, how big your nuts at, bro? Oh, I know, but the trees.

SPEAKER_05

No, I'm not putting, no, I don't care if the white people got it. I do feel this. You feel me?

SPEAKER_02

So, what I'm saying, I do see what you're saying. I don't think it's on the person as far as because they can be the sweetest soul ever. Exactly. You know what I'm saying? Straight up. Be a good person and do everything you need to be done, but they taste is just something ain't hitting with it. So you do, you it you can't blame. It's either that or you really gonna be bitter. And I just don't want, I hate, I don't like people being bitter because bitterness, it keeps you, it blocks a lot of things out. It blocks you from the things that matter. It makes it hard to see. And once you get bitter, then you get angry, then you get sour, and then everybody the same. That's all. So you gotta do something different yourself. Like I start going overseas, I get a passport. Okay? And them three turns gonna stay with them three daddies. You gotta relocate. I'm crazy. I gotta go do something.

SPEAKER_05

All right, man.

SPEAKER_02

I gotta get some porn.

SPEAKER_05

I gotta do. We gonna recover this on the city. We gotta get some porn because it's crazy. All right, man. This is Mike's attitude and knowledge. This is music, art, and culture. This is making audio classics. Thank you for joining us on another episode of the Mac Podcast. I hope you enjoy listening as much as we enjoy talking to y'all. Please keep us in your thoughts and your prayers. I guarantee that you are an artist. And a word to the wise, don't let the wins uh be the relief and the losses be the tragedy. What is simple and what is easy is rarely the same. A wise man can play the fool, but a fool could never play the wise man. And last but not least, no amount of money in the world could ever buy you a second of time. So spend yours wisely. We'll be back next week. Bye! Bye.

SPEAKER_09

You know what free is, nigga? What's free? Free is when nobody else can tell us what to be. Free is when the TV ain't controlling what we see. Tell my niggas I need you. Do all the fame, you know I stay true. Pray my niggas stay free. Made a few mistakes, but this ain't where I wanna be. Before I'm jumped by 12, put a 12 on my feet. Told my niggas I need you. Stay up, I know these times ain't true. Real life, what's up?

SPEAKER_06

Just bad, I was gunning, just got a pad out of London. I keep stacking my money, I need a ladder by summer. Eight gate shots, niggas duckin' straight shots. Been a top dog, that's before the gate dots. Crackin' in those sticks, immaculate, show me chip. Talking like you mix, the dash first on the strip. Holdin' on your bitch, could've never throw you a brick. With them people, you never been on the list. Mona Lisa to me, ain't nothing but a bitch. Rangin' pictures like niggas swinging from his dick. We so different, you thought these didn't exist. The Maglaton, never seen all his rips. I'm from the south where they never make it this rich. God is the greatest for statement, been on his shit. Walk in the pavement, I pray I'm illuminated. Over a decade and never nobody waved. Body Kilo go hand in hand like we gamblin' huffle. My amigo a million grams when we count him enough. You was dead broke, I let you hold it back. You paid for it, but I fuck around and stole the track. Streaming gang, gang. Now you wanna rap. Record theory, y'all just caught them on the tap. Looking for a bond, lawyers wanna death. Purple hair got them faggots on your breast.

SPEAKER_09

Free is when nobody else can tell us what to be. Free is when the TV ain't controlling what we see. Tell my niggas I need you. Do all the fame, you know I stay true. Pray my niggas, stay free. Made a few mistakes, but this ain't where I wanna be. Before I'm jet by 12, put a 12 on my feet. Told my niggas I need you. Stay up, I know these times ain't true. Real life, world free. Further investigations, heard they plottin' like I trapped. 20 million cash, they know I got that off a wrap. Maybe it's the Michael Rubens or the Robin Krabs, or the billionaire from RC and the way they got my back. Uh see how I prevailed and they tried and I mean back. Uh block me in a cell for all them nights and I won't snap. Uh 250 is showing, they still think I'm selling crack. Uh When you bring my name up to the judges, tell them facts. Tell them how we funnelin' all these kids to go to college. Tell them how we feasin' all these wars, stopping violence. Tryna fix the system in the way that they designed it. I think they want me silent. Oh, say you can see, I don't feel like I'm free. Locked down in my cell, shackled from ankle to feet. Judge banging that gavel, turn me the slave from a king. Another dare in the bing. I gotta hang from a string. Just for poppin' a wheelie in my people, my city city. From a cell to a chopper, view from the top of the city. You can tell how we rockin' soon as I pop it, we litty, poppin' like rabble in 94. Be poppin' a ditty and niggas countin' me out. Like my town ain't busy, that's a five million twenty. Sit up and count to one busy. Feeling 500,000, huntin' round in the city. Is we be finna rapin', I might just pop it with Drizzy, like what's free? Free is when nobody else can tell us what to be. Free is when the TV ain't controlling what we see. Told my niggas I need you. Do all the fame, you know I stay true. Pray my niggas stay free. Made a few mistakes, but this ain't where I wanna be. Before I'm jumped by 12, put a 12 on my feet. Told my niggas I need you. Stay up, I know these times ain't true. Life, what's free?

SPEAKER_10

In a land of the free with a blacks enslaved. Three-fifths of a man, I believe's the phrase. I'm 50% a douce and it's dead free. Yeah. 100% an ace of spade, worth half a beat. Rock nation, half of that, that's my piece. 100% a title to bust it up with my cheese. Uh smokes, my niggas won't ever work together. You run a checker, but they never give you leverage. No red hat, no Michael and Prince mean. Yay, they separate you when you got Michael and Princess DNA. Uh you one of these house niggas, you bought my house like a resort. My house bigger than yours, my spot.

SPEAKER_00

Come on, man.

SPEAKER_10

My route better, of course. We started without food in our mouth. They gave us pork and pig intestines. Shit, you just scared that we ingested. We made the project away. You came back, reinvested, and gentrified it. Two niggas to surprise now how that's free. No people stole a solar. Hit niggas with 360s. I ain't got a billion streams, got a billion dollars. Inflating numbers like we poles, be happy about this. We was praising Bill Board, but we were young. Now I look at Bill Board like, is you dumb? To this day, grandma, afraid what I might say. They gon' have to kill me, grandmama. I'm not they slave. Check out the bazaar. Rapping style used by me. The HOV, look at my hair free, carefree. Niggas ain't nair-free. Enjoy your change. What's your employer name with the hair piece? Hustle by the hook, can't no shit time. Rob me, my account's so good, I'm practically living tax-free. Factory, that's me. Sold drugs, got away. Sky free, that's a C C E copy, kill free, steal me, and expect me to not feel away. To this day, you would say I kill me. Sucker free, no shucking me. I don't jaw turkey. Say happy Thanksgiving. Shit, sound like a murder to me. Smoke free, all of y'all callin' out toe free. Label rob you for millions, yet you wanna put a hole in me. Sugar-free, season, but I'm soft free. You lay a hand on hold my shooter, shoot for free. I promise World War III. Send an order through a hands-free. Kill you in 24 hours or shorter. You can't ignore the hand speed. Oh god, it's off the head, it's improv, but it's no comedy. Sign I fail, hell no.