The Uppity Negro

Episode Breakdown: “The Uppity Negro”

This week, Asaad and Kemistree prove that you don’t always need notes to have a powerful conversation. In this completely freestyle episode, there were no notes, no outline, and nothing written on the board—just two microphones, real chemistry, and authentic dialogue.

The episode opens with a discussion on self-preservation and karma, with both hosts sharing personal experiences that shaped their perspectives.

After the music intro, the conversation shifts to the blockbuster Jaylen Brown trade from the Boston Celtics to the Philadelphia 76ers. That leads Asaad into a deeper conversation about the historical “Uppity Negro” trope. The duo examines comments made by NBA executives suggesting Brown “has to be the smartest person in the room,” connecting those criticisms to a long history of society viewing educated, outspoken, and independent Black people as threatening. Backed by historical context and factual discussion, this becomes one of the most thought-provoking conversations of the episode.

The duo then pivot into LeBron James’ potential free agency destinations and what the next chapter of his career could look like.

Later, Kemistree brings up the Big Tigga controversy and discusses the latest video evidence that many believe vindicates him.

Asaad follows that with a discussion surrounding the Marcellus Wiley controversy, breaking down the headlines and public reactions.

The conversation then turns to relationships after Kemistree shares a viral quote about women not needing men to validate their existence and being happier moving independently. Rather than pushing back, Asaad applauds the sentiment and explains why self-worth should never depend on another person.

The episode closes with another heated installment of Hot Take Court, where bold opinions go on trial. If you’re only listening to one part of this episode, don’t miss this segment—it delivers some of the biggest laughs, strongest debates, and hottest takes of the show.

A completely off-the-dome episode that proves great conversations don’t need a script.

Transcript

SPEAKER_05 0:00

Mike Check one, two, what is this? It's the Mac crew top two talking so authentic how we feeling.

SPEAKER_07 0:12

Um, you know. So after choosing joy over everything, you have to choose self-preservation. Talk about it. That's the next step. Talk about it. And that's where I'm at. Where's the self-preservation coming from? Well, cause sometimes people just get you messed up. In my case, I ain't gonna go too deep on it, but you know me, you know. Yeah. Uh my mom. She she reminded me of this. And you had already, like you said, you are adult. Yeah. And at some point you just gotta um it is what it is on some relationships. It's gonna be what it's gonna be. You gotta accept them for what they are and where it's at.

SPEAKER_05 0:49

Yeah, and especially our parents, yo, because like I understand that we ne we don't choose our parents, but we never talk about the other side. Our like our parents can't determine who we are.

SPEAKER_07 0:59

Exactly.

SPEAKER_05 0:59

Like, can't they can't determine who we are, who we're gonna be, how we're gonna turn out. They can't determine none of that. So it's like a ebb and flow type of thing. Yeah, no, it's an ebb and flow type of thing, and vice versa. Like the child has to do the best they can with the parent, the parent must have to do the best with they can with the child. So uh, but you know, it's a complicated thing because like just imagine this, man. Like, imagine this. Like these like parents are just people who's living their lives, and like two people got together and made you and stuff like that. So it's yeah, no, no, it's it's complex, it's laid.

SPEAKER_07 1:27

But once you no, don't go, don't get twisted. I I wholeheartedly feel that. But once you two come together and this happens and and the child is made, um somebody gotta do something. No, true, true. Somebody gotta be the adult, the parent. Yeah. Somebody got like you do have this child. And and in this case where my mom, I feel like she did the best she can. You know what I'm saying? That she knows how to do, because that's what she learned. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's where the adulting comes in. But I guess where I'm gonna, my little, my grief is like, and it made me realize a lot on on a on a whole scale of it. Like, my time isn't your time. Your time isn't my time. Right? So you can have the best intentions and still be wrong. And I say that because like me and my mom got into a uh little thing about it, like, love her to death, one day she'll hear this won't happen anytime soon. She's not the most dependable. She does have the right mindset on what she wants to happen in this next phase of my life, you know what I'm saying? But like it's not gonna happen on your time.

SPEAKER_06 2:27

Nah.

SPEAKER_07 2:27

You know what I'm saying? It has to happen on my time. And and and that's how it is in life, period.

SPEAKER_05 2:32

Well, yeah, that's uh again, because at this stage, you're you know, everyone's an adult. So we need to establish those boundaries.

SPEAKER_07 2:38

Well, but them bo boundaries been established with me. I just forgot. Like, I love my mom, she was around as best she could be. When we did live with her, you know, she made sure we were taken care of as far as other people, but she wasn't always um in the household. She wasn't like uh what's the word, present. You know what I'm saying? But um that that them type of things matter based on like the journey.

SPEAKER_05 3:04

Yeah, for the most part it can relate to that for sure.

SPEAKER_07 3:06

You know what I'm saying? And so it's like I've always had to be a self-motivator, I've always had to do these things, and you just champion it at the end because the the results, but you weren't there to help with the results.

SPEAKER_05 3:18

Did your mom put a lot of pressure on you?

SPEAKER_07 3:20

Well pressure on me to be there for my sister. Pressure on me to, yes, I had to see. Yes. Without without giving it. Without being there, without being present, though. It was just automatically. Exactly. It was just like I'm so excited.

SPEAKER_05 3:34

Your mom and my mom is the same people, but it sounds like, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 3:37

But they didn't want to come at you sideways on when you're not reaching dare think.

SPEAKER_05 3:42

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 3:43

Right? Especially when you didn't help me get there. You know what I'm saying? Like, you didn't um encourage me, you didn't champion me, you didn't pay attention to when, if grades were ever slipping, you know what I'm saying, type thing. Like, you weren't there for that homework, no, but but it was my job to make sure my sister did her homework. You know what I'm saying? Or or or what it like, it's a whole thing with that. But but in the the the whole thing I realized is self-preservation is no longer letting that like it it it did ignite me to do what I need to do. Like that last little fire I needed for the next space. But I was gonna do that regardless. Yeah. You feel me? For sure. It's a whole plan with it. For sure. But then for you to like come at me because I'm not doing it on the time frame you feel I should. Yeah. Without you even having anything set up for me to do it with.

SPEAKER_05 4:27

But that's just people around you, period. Like, people want uh people around you period want to put a timeline on when you're gonna be successful with you.

SPEAKER_07 4:33

Or what you're supposed to do.

SPEAKER_05 4:34

And what you're supposed to do, exactly. You know what I mean? Like, given my situation, people's like, oh, you're a little bit too old to be doing all that. But I'm like, this wasn't even the plan, period. Let's start there. But like, even the fact that, you know what I mean, if I am or not, quote unquote, too old for this, it happened right here, right now.

SPEAKER_07 4:51

But a two-old crazy me, because how can you, especially when I feel like you're talking about when it comes to having kids. Yeah. Um, how can you put a timeline on that? That's what I They say that a woman getting pregnant at at over 40 is a geriatric. Geriatric, which makes half your life is over. You're dying at 80. This is what they're saying. But then they get pregnant with no complications.

SPEAKER_06 5:13

None.

SPEAKER_07 5:14

That that wasn't no one's time but the time that it was meant to be. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I don't think you're too old. I think you're right where you're supposed to be.

SPEAKER_05 5:20

But like that was the criticism and the blowback. But that's what I'm saying. I like that I have received about this situation.

SPEAKER_07 5:25

And that's crazy. And that's why I say like self-preservation is like instead of getting so upset, because I did get upset at first, you know what I mean? And my pen's a little hurt, because like, what? But excuse me. Um, my time is my time, your time is your time. Everyone's time is their time.

SPEAKER_05 5:41

And I'm everyone gotta respect and you know, adhere to their own timeline. Like, given like even the situation that I'm in, the circumstances be beyond that, you know what I mean? Like, I'm over here thinking like I'm kicking my kicking my own back in. It's like, dang, I'm almost 40. Here I here I am in the situation I'm in.

SPEAKER_07 5:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 5:57

But it's just like, you know, maybe there's more to come. You know what I mean? There's more things ahead of me and stuff like that. But it's just like at the same time, it's just like, dang, like, I'm beating myself up, but like, why am I beating myself up? Because I'm adhering to timelines of other people. Exactly. Other people imposing like what I'm supposed to be doing at 36. Yeah, what I'm supposed to be doing at 36, what I'm supposed to be doing at 37, what I'm supposed to be doing. You're doing exactly what you're supposed to be doing. That's what I think. I mean, I don't even know what I'm supposed to be doing anymore, but like all I know is I I wake up the next day and I'm here and utilize the best, best what I have at the current moment.

SPEAKER_07 6:35

Exactly. And that's how I'm looking at it. Like, I can't get caught up on nobody else's whatever for me. And at the end of the day, self-preservation is me pushing myself forward, me acknowledging what's happening, even if they had the best intentions and just still being like, you know what though, it's up to me how this goes. Like, like in the case of where my mom, like I said, she's not the most dependable on her whole thing is she wants me to move back home before my timeline. I got a situation happening in January with school. So I gotta tell January, you know what I mean? But she go goes, and then when I say, well, I'm good, I gotta figure some some things out, then all of a sudden it's like, I'm throwing my life away. I'm not doing it. Why aren't you here yet? Like, what am I where am I coming?

SPEAKER_05 7:16

Like what am I what's the rush for? What's the rush for one?

SPEAKER_07 7:19

For two, what do you have set up in my case? What do you like, you want me to leave where I'm stable and I have my own, to come and sleep on the couch while waiting. I'm gonna hurry up for that? Um, no, no.

SPEAKER_05 7:32

Exactly. To rush me to do that is crazy.

SPEAKER_07 7:35

Okay. Um to to do the same things that I can go ahead and set up here, where it's just going over there and doing it, and then like the whole the whole mindset.

SPEAKER_05 7:45

And then when you get there, then there's another timeline thing. Oh, you should ban have a job by now. Oh, you should have banned have a only place. Or in my case, or you should have done this. No, and you know what's crazy?

SPEAKER_07 7:53

My mom ain't gonna be like that. Her thing gonna be, she won't like, I don't think she realized it, but it's like um, it's almost like I got you once you get here.

SPEAKER_06 8:02

Mmm.

SPEAKER_07 8:04

Once you get here, I got you. And then and then what since I'm not doing on your timeline, well, I'm just gonna invest this time into your sister. She right here. Girl, you should have been done that. That's your daughter.

SPEAKER_05 8:13

That's your your daughter too.

SPEAKER_07 8:14

Okay, child. And to use that as a way to like get mad at me. Because I was gonna say what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_05 8:19

To try to go to like go find it, that's how it's gonna be like I'm coming right now, type of thing.

SPEAKER_07 8:24

Anyway, I've always had to do this for her. Like you you should do this. Like you not, you thinking that was a flex throwing it in my face to make me mad wasn't the flex you thought it was. Because right after I got on the phone with my sister and we had a ha ha ha hee hee. But um my but it uh but from that I took because usually I let that get to me and like take me down. You know what I'm saying? Or like get in my head, whatever, think too deep, whatever. But instead, this time I was just like, thank you for reminding me. I am an adult. Um, you should invest in my sister. And instead of me and you having this conversation, let me just handle what I need to handle and stay to my timeline. Because this is my timeline.

SPEAKER_05 9:02

Got to do it. Got to do it.

SPEAKER_07 9:04

And I got myself here. She didn't help me get here. Right. She did not. And I ain't taking nothing away from her. The the things she didn't instill in me did come from the upbringing. Once I got with her, which is why I can stand on my own, I can figure it out. I will always give her that. But like, girlby.

SPEAKER_05 9:19

No, I know I hear that too. I mean, yeah, real quick before we get to the start of the show. Before we start the show. Do you think that, you know, people get what is coming to them based on their actions of what they've done?

SPEAKER_07 9:31

I absolutely believe in karma.

SPEAKER_05 9:32

Karma happens, right?

SPEAKER_07 9:34

I absolutely believe in karma. Now, when or how, who, how exactly.

SPEAKER_05 9:38

So I was thinking about the situation with our uh common friend. Um starts with a letter after S, right?

SPEAKER_07 9:46

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 9:47

Okay. And the situation that she's in. Yeah, but the situation that she's in now, and I reflect back to like the situation we were in back in the day. Mm-hmm. I'm petty.

SPEAKER_07 9:58

And you say after the S?

SPEAKER_05 9:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 10:00

Tensity.

SPEAKER_05 10:01

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_07 10:02

Oh boy, why do you you gotta stop doing that? You gotta stop being petty. I gotta stop being petty. It's not even petty. You be comparing stuff that don't even need to be compared. It ain't not quite the same. It's not quite the same. They got no babies together. I will say, but you can't see how maybe it happened.

SPEAKER_05 10:20

How it happened. Exactly. You can do the overview. That's what I'm saying. No, and that's what basically what I'm saying too. Just like, you know, like the consequences of your actions doesn't really immediately happen, right? But it does come back to you in some way, shape, or form. Not then I think about my own situation. I'm like, dang, and this is my karma coming back to me as well. Like, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_07 10:41

And I was gonna say, you think that this might be karma for whatever you think need to happen, but you also aren't a part of this person's life, let let alone keep up with it, unless I tell you what's happening. So you don't know how karma might have come in other ways. Yeah. And this just might be the icing on the cake as far as like an opposite way. You know what I'm saying? I don't think in this situation that this is their karma.

unknown 11:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 11:03

I don't. I think this is what happens when people say, I've been waiting for you for eight years and you think it's cute.

SPEAKER_05 11:08

That's not cute. That's that's not cute. That's not cute.

SPEAKER_07 11:11

Somebody wait for you for eight years.

SPEAKER_05 11:13

If you wait for me, eight months is crazy.

SPEAKER_07 11:16

I mean eight months, I give that. But that just might be my swag.

SPEAKER_05 11:19

Nah, man, but just waiting on somebody period's kind of nuts.

SPEAKER_07 11:21

That long and making that like your claim to fame.

SPEAKER_05 11:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 11:24

That's where I feel like that's crazy. You know what I'm saying? But I do get what you're saying. Karma does come at different times, and I don't know the whole spill, spill on y'all situation.

SPEAKER_05 11:35

I'll listen to my fair.

SPEAKER_07 11:36

But you probably can't see where Haha. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 11:40

The ha ha moments. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 11:42

The ha ha. Exactly. Yeah. That's real. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 11:44

That's all I'm saying. That's real. That is really all I'm saying. I'm not applying it to like a bigger little bit.

SPEAKER_07 11:48

Well, I just don't want, I don't think this part with that person.

SPEAKER_05 11:51

This part, but it's just like this is the situation, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. A ripple effect.

SPEAKER_07 11:56

Yeah, it is a ripple effect. It's a ripple effect. Because there's one thing that there's a rippling thing about it across the board.

SPEAKER_05 12:02

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SPEAKER_03 13:05

The largest, man. Stephen, my mother stayed in the bottom. Regardless, my daddy told me. I'm all this. I'm the biggest. The largest. The biggest.

SPEAKER_05 13:19

Let's go, let's go, man. Enough, enough of this. Shout to everybody out there, man. The illness in Iowa. Still back at it. I love that.

SPEAKER_03 13:35

Time me up a little bit, man. Hey. Hey. I see we postin' with pistols and rockets. They making deposits. We putin' that shit all in the box.

unknown 13:49

Done got a little buzz now. I'm poppin'. Got racks in my pockets. The bitch nigga wrestling.

SPEAKER_05 13:55

You got that little pistol, but we flash the flesh up.

SPEAKER_03 14:11

You fakin' you niggas the copy. I bet if I give it this penny, she jumped out of body. It's wet, but I bet it gets sloppy. Cause I got a stroke givea hope and I bet it can't copy.

unknown 14:28

Six tennis to block do you copy?

SPEAKER_03 14:30

I really have fees at the hotel get hidden. A lot of these labels they find in the sign. But I want a m for my son, ain't no telling what I need.

SPEAKER_05 14:37

What the is a bug? I need a mill for my son, ain't no tellin' what I need. Alright, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome to yet another episode of the Mac Podcastman. Hold up, hold up. Sponsored by Field by and Power Bye. KAA H A L P R C to 94.7 FM Community Public Radio Broadcast upon the heart of the King. District here in Arcada, man. You know what I'm saying? Uh we're here with another one, man. Okay. Let it guys know that the thoughts, views, and opinions are for entertainment purposes only. I can only say that for so much so much longer because I'm about to be done with this. Episode 50 will be the last time I'm ever warning everybody.

SPEAKER_07 15:25

So you always gotta say that. We entertainment purposes for real, bro. Unless it's factuals and actuals, and we tell them they can Google it. Yeah, I see content creators doing that all the time. So I know it's a reason.

SPEAKER_05 15:37

You know? Um, man. Whoa, whoa, whoa, what else? What else? What else? What else? Hey, you know who it is, man? It's your host, the saw the artist alongside with the star of the show, Big K Fig Tree appeared in the building. Hold up, hold up, hold up. All right. That's my joint. You know? We don't stop. So. Okay. Well, where we at, man? Where we at? This episode is a noteless, boardless, straight off the dome episode. We're just gonna freestyle these subjects. Do you want me to tell you what I've been wanting to talk about? I only got one thing on my mind. You really any music though? Let's get into it before I do it.

SPEAKER_07 16:16

I mean, music always part of it, but get into these subjects. I don't want to get into it. I only got one in mind. Let's go. You just it just goes from there.

SPEAKER_05 16:24

I got one in mind. So I want to talk about this trade. That uh well, as you know, here at the Mac Podcast is a heavily Celtic all day, uh non-sponsored, but we are Celtics. We bleed the green and the white. No matter what. Uh for those who have been living under a rock in the sports world. If you're not into that, into the sports world. Yeah, yeah. If you're not into sports, man, you you just go ahead and like skip the little 15-second thing. You know what I'm saying? It's all right. I ain't gonna hold it against you. However, those who are those who are stay right here. How we feel? I don't know. So I've been sitting here ever since the news kind of like was speculated that Jalen Brown would be traded. Nuts to me, insane to me.

SPEAKER_07 17:17

Like it doesn't make any sense.

SPEAKER_05 17:19

Doesn't make any sense to me at in in a basketball sense.

SPEAKER_07 17:22

But in a basketball sense, you know what I mean. I'm glad you said that. In the basketball.

SPEAKER_05 17:26

In a basketball sense, here's where I'm at with it. Yes, Jalen's Brown, Jalen Brown is Jalen Brown. So of course, Peyton Preacher is not gonna get the numbers he's gonna get. Of course, Derek White isn't gonna get the numbers he's gonna get. Because that's how a basketball team starts. If you are an excellent two-way player, you're going to be on the floor a lot. Because you're on the floor a lot. Your analytics not gonna be favorable.

SPEAKER_07 17:54

Because you're on the floor a lot. Right, right.

SPEAKER_05 17:56

And if you're on the floor a lot, say last season he was the the the the head honcho of the team. Yeah. Got us to second place in the East. Exactly.

SPEAKER_07 18:05

Putting up points that we wanted from Tatum.

SPEAKER_05 18:08

Got the Celtics up 3-1. Facts. But then somehow Joe Missoula just wanted to say, hey, let's just jack up threes at every given chance that we get. I don't understand that. I should I I'm tired of Joe Missoula.

SPEAKER_07 18:22

Well, and uh what you're saying though, like we had, like literally he had to readjust with Tatum being out. I feel like the adjustment happened correctly.

SPEAKER_04 18:30

Yeah. True.

SPEAKER_07 18:32

So I don't understand why we wouldn't hold on to him now that Tatum got this first little round of genocide.

SPEAKER_05 18:37

Well is now that Tatum is healthy, I thought it'd be a smaller thing to trade Tatum. And because since Tatum?

SPEAKER_07 18:43

Yes. I would have got rid of one or the other, would appreciate it. I want to keep them to the city.

SPEAKER_05 18:48

Because both of them are that's $600 million.

SPEAKER_07 18:50

And then that's where we that's where we go from the basketball side to the basin side.

SPEAKER_05 18:54

But the business side, like I even understand it from a business perspective. I do the once I heard that title. And it's over the cap. And that's $600 million to two players. I understand. I do understand that.

SPEAKER_07 19:06

I do get that. However, and then one of them is gonna try to take any.

SPEAKER_05 19:10

We're going to see what Jason Tatum does this next season because now the now the eyes are on him. Like, can you do the same thing Jalen Brown did last season? Can you get us a second maybe first place in the East? No, no, no. He has to get the Celtics to second or first place in the East. Yeah. Gotta get him further in the playoffs. Get back to him to justify this trade. He has to. Now, afterwards, then then the then the narratives started flowing out. Yeah, I've seen him. And then I the the the the quote that really struck me, even this is before when he got drafted, it rubbed me the wrong way. And I was wondering why. And then they said it again after the trade. And he was like, oh, he has to be the smartest person in the room.

SPEAKER_07 19:53

I seen that. And it's because he actually is really intelligent. Supremely intelligent. He is, and that's crazy for that being held against him as a black man in the NBA.

SPEAKER_05 20:01

And oh, you want to know why?

SPEAKER_07 20:03

Because he's a black man in the NBA who's figuring out how to take the NBA and the due decline an internship at NASA. NASA.

SPEAKER_05 20:10

So, and he's like, oh, that is a pretty low bar if I'm the smartest in the room in a basketball executive room. Which is true because a lot, a lot of these NBA executives are there solely because of networking or nepotism. He also qualified to run a basketball franchise. Let's just let's just get that out the way right here, right now. There is a very handful of people in NBA front offices who are competent enough to run a franchise.

SPEAKER_07 20:40

On top of that, I had to make sure I had to go pull it up. He he's so smart. He turned down a 50 million potential sneaker endorsement, uh, including a bunch of people, including Arpers from Nike, to launch his own independent performance brand. Where he has like, he's showing them a different way of getting to the money. Because it's more lucrative. I think he done made like 300 million off of it.

SPEAKER_05 21:02

And he said, like, yo, I want to recreate a black Wall Street. Exactly.

SPEAKER_07 21:06

So because he's an educated black man, there's a problem.

SPEAKER_05 21:09

And do you know the words that like this kind of rang in my head earlier this week when I was thinking about this? They think Jalen Brown is an uppity negro. Now, for the Gen Zers out there who don't know what the term uppity negro means. Okay. Now now I'm gonna I'm gonna slow walk this explanation, if you don't mind, swag. You know, I got you, I got you.

SPEAKER_07 21:32

Some moment, go ahead, shine.

SPEAKER_05 21:34

So for the for the kids out there who don't know what an uppity negro is, is what they used or adults. That is a term they used to call us back in the day in the Jim Crow era, right? For having education. For being able to read. No, it was used as a racial slur to describe black people who was perceived of not knowing their place. So when I hear those terms too smart for their own good, smart has to be the smartest one. You're basically the NBA executive are telling us in a different language, this guy's an uppity Negro, and we don't want him here.

SPEAKER_07 22:07

But why? Because he's educated, he can read, he's well spoken, he doesn't fall for the guidelines of what's supposed to happen. He turned out endorsement deals. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 22:20

Right. And in this society that is organized around white narcissism, this isn't about arrogance. It was often applied to black people who were displayed confidence, ambition, education, wealth, political influence, and demanded equal treatment. I'm pretty sure the conversation that's happened in behind the scenes in the front office between Jalen Brown and Brad Stevens, where is where Jalen Brown said, hey, we should do X, Y, and Z. And Brad Stevens is like, no, we should do JF and K. Right. Which doesn't make any sense at all. Right. I mean, I could see the tip between him and coaching when we're like, why are we jacking up threes all over the place when we're only down five and all we gotta do is drive the ball in the freaking lane.

SPEAKER_07 23:03

I feel like that's exactly what happened where he questioned.

SPEAKER_05 23:06

Question Why are we doing this? Why are we playing like that? Because, oh, I'm pretty smart, period. And especially when it comes to basketball.

SPEAKER_07 23:15

Basketball IQ. Like he's seen, like, even the Knicks, I'll use them. Like, they they only reverted to threes when it made sense. Honestly, like, think about it. What we do every single time. I'm a Celtics fan, diehard every day. But when we are down, when we are down, instead of us go coming and creating plays and going in, it seems like we just jack up the Jack up a three. It don't even make sense sometimes.

SPEAKER_05 23:38

Contested at that.

SPEAKER_07 23:40

So that is definitely upper management.

SPEAKER_05 23:42

That's upper management. No, that's coaching. That's terrible coaching.

SPEAKER_07 23:46

But like, yeah. What's his name? Mazzo. Mazzo. He ain't out here talking. Brad Stevens little funny looking self out here talking.

SPEAKER_05 23:54

And like, and then we all talk about for going back to the upper Negro term. It's like everyone's like, yo, why does stereotype exist? It served several purposes to for you know white America be like, no, no. Because it reinforced that black people should remain socially subordinate. It discourages aspirations to make a success uh success appear socially dangerous. And it justified punishment. But you hear all the words. And this is a justifiable punishment. We're gonna trade you to our divisional rival.

SPEAKER_07 24:24

And I like how you are putting that how it this started back way back. Way back when he got drafted. But like the whole upity niggard or the way that the reason he even got traded, this is some in-depth generational type things happening here. You know what I mean? Where it does, it shows you like literally he had to go because he knew too much. Because he was smart. What kind of sense that make? And I'm gonna tell you why. Why y'all say so we could read? We taught y'all, well, our gr our aunties and mamas and stuff raise your kids. Taught you how to read, taught you how to watch. Yo, your great granddaddy was raised by a black woman, big mama.

SPEAKER_05 25:03

Taught y'all science.

SPEAKER_07 25:04

We've been doing this because history ain't history and like it's called.

SPEAKER_05 25:07

History ain't history. So, like, then then the uh then with all this being said, like, you know, um, why are the educated, the articulate, and the successful black people are perceived as threatening?

SPEAKER_07 25:16

Why?

SPEAKER_05 25:17

So, let me tell you why. This is this is this is the cruise of white narcissism. I'm gonna give you a few examples why. Because of status threat. One of the strongest finding findings in social science is the idea that a group status threat. When members of a historically dominant group perceives their so the group's social, economic, or political position to be changing, some may react defensively. I.e., I'm gonna get this dude out of my organization because he's too smart. He's gonna inf influence those around him. So now we got a team mutiny under Jalen Ray.

SPEAKER_07 25:51

Is it a mutiny if you win in games? He won 55 games. And that's why I'm saying it couldn't have been about the games. Like, honestly, like we we act like Tatum, him getting hit that injury, it didn't make a difference because the way that the whole thing was set up with our Celtics was based around the way that those those players played. Him and JB feed off each other. You could have one or the other or both end. But the rest of the team comes together around them. Around them. Right? That's that's how that's how they won a championship. That's how it's supposed to be. That's how it's gonna be.

SPEAKER_05 26:23

That was the recipe of winning a champion. Hold up. Exactly. Of winning a championship. And after they won the championship, what they do? Yep. We gotta break this thing up. But only because Tatum, though, like he got the injury. We had to break this whole thing up. They got the injury.

SPEAKER_07 26:36

And he got the injury the next season. What's crazy is that, you know, and I seen JB talking about this too, um, because he really is a low-key, quiet guy. Sometimes he goes off on on social media, but even then he's very well spoken with it. Um he even said, like, they never thought he would be the face of the franchise. He's never been set for that. He doesn't meet the look that they have for faces of the NBA. Tatum does. Let's just be 100. You know what I'm saying? But when Tatum was out, you can't deny that he stepped up and filled a role, two roles, in a sense.

SPEAKER_05 27:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 27:10

And other players filled up.

SPEAKER_05 27:11

He had to do his job and other people's job.

SPEAKER_07 27:13

And other players stepped up and met.

SPEAKER_05 27:14

Where was Peyton Pritchard in this whole thing? Since he was holding him back, where was Peyton Pritchard at?

SPEAKER_07 27:21

I'm pretty sure he got the most points with Tatum out and JB.

SPEAKER_05 27:24

With JB, exactly what I'm saying. I saw a lot of player of the game, Peyton Pritchard, when JB was there running the show.

SPEAKER_07 27:30

We actually got to say, I hate what happened with this. This is why I won't play. I'm gonna watch the games, but I'm not playing NBA anything basketball-wise with the substantial.

SPEAKER_05 27:38

Well, let me finish this. Let me finish this. This is just wrapping up. So, reason number two why the uppity Negro is a threat, because of stereotype violation. People unconsciously form expectations based on stereotypes. If someone strongly violates those expectations, for example, by being exceptionally educated, wealthy, charismatic, or influential, it can create a cognitive discomfort. This isn't unique to any race, but the racial stereotypes make this specifically significant. So when I'm saying this stereotype of this stereotype violation, he's too smart. That's what I'm saying. When you have uh No, no, you're a basketball player. You cannot be this smart. You cannot be holding lectures at Harvard. You cannot graduate from Cal Berkeley with high honors. You can't be doing any of this because you're a basketball player. You're supposed to dribble the ball, slam it, slam it, shoot it, do all the stuff on the court, entertain us, entertain us with your skills and your athleticism. And that's what you're doing. But don't you dare speak as if you know anything.

SPEAKER_07 28:39

But what's crazy is that stereotype, stereotype is a word that's a generalized word. It's supposed to be across the board for different stereotypes. This stereotype only is an issue when it's a person of color. Yeah. You see what I'm saying? Like, most basketball players are or athletes. I I'm just gonna say it. I don't care what color you are, um, it it you don't hear about the ones who are excelling at school and sports. Right. You hear about the ones excelling in sports, and you also hear through the rumor mill, well, we're just gonna pass them through. That's kind of like across the border, across the world, we're gonna pass them through so that they can play for the game because we need them to win. Right. And because he excelled at both, it's an issue now, though. It's an issue now. And see, that's the thing.

SPEAKER_05 29:26

Ten years later, it's an issue now.

SPEAKER_07 29:28

And it's because he started speaking out more once he became the face. He took the leader role. He's a leader. He's a leader. You put him in the position, he'll play his position, but once he got there, he's like, Well, I'm a leader, I'm gonna be a leader across the board.

SPEAKER_05 29:39

Yeah, and this is it, this is what I'm saying. Not just on the court. This was my most fun season, he said.

SPEAKER_07 29:43

Oh, I could tell.

SPEAKER_05 29:44

And I could tell this was, and then that's nothing wrong with having like this. Is not my most successful season, but I had fun running the show. I got our team to the second seed in the East.

SPEAKER_07 29:54

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 29:54

I did that.

SPEAKER_07 29:55

I think that's amazing. Right. And so it breaks my heart that this happened. They did it so dirty.

SPEAKER_05 30:00

And the third basic was, you know, historical narrative, you know what I mean? For centuries, racist ideologies. I mean, yeah, it's racism intellectually or morally inferior. Every accomplishment, black scientist, CO judge, basketball player or president direct uh directly contradicts those narratives.

SPEAKER_07 30:15

No, read that again because you sped through it. Read that one again. That's that's a good one.

SPEAKER_05 30:19

I got you, I got you. Like I said, for centuries, racist ideologies claimed that black people were intellectually or morally inferior. Every accomplishment, a black scientist, CEO, judge, professor, entrepreneur, president, basketball player, directly contradicts those narratives. Go back to Black Wall Street. You know, that's what he said. Wait, you're too uppity for that. Slow your role. In this case, you're here to entertain us, not to create or make a change in your community.

SPEAKER_07 30:51

Your community. Because it's not affecting nobody else's community. No, it's really. It really isn't. You know what I'm saying? That's why they took away critical race theory. That's why they're taking away uh that's why when you see pictures from uh Rosa Parks and them, Martin Luther King, what color are they in? No color, black and white, because they want you to think it happened so long ago.

SPEAKER_05 31:09

So long ago.

SPEAKER_07 31:09

When it really wasn't that long ago. They had color Polaroids back then.

SPEAKER_05 31:13

Yeah, they definitely did. Okay. They definitely did. And like, yeah, so I mean, all in all, man, I think like, you know, my final. I see I see the trope and I see what's happening, man. But like, I feel like the label uppity is really about attitude. Or is it is it about who's society- No, or is it about who society believes has the right to possess these confidence, the right to possess this feel of authority and success. But like, at what point does confidence become arrogance, and does that threshold change depending on race?

SPEAKER_07 31:43

Child, let me tell you something. That threshold changed when you humble these people. First of all, spell uppity. Yeah. Okay? The same people who decided to say uppity, uppity Negroes. Because when we have uh us, us people of color, when we have a problem with uh a person who looks like us um being acting like they're better than us, we don't call them uppity. We call them Uncle Thoms. Let's just be real. That's back in the day, that's what they say, Uncle Thoms. You know what I'm saying? I grew up with my great grandma or uh Claris Thomas. You know what I'm saying? Why people people who don't look like us came up with uppity Negroes. But at least they put respect on it. It just it's just crazy to use it as a slur because you're educated. Right. And it's crazy that's happening even in the NBA.

SPEAKER_05 32:29

I mean, yeah, NBA, NFL, just sports and entertainment. Sports and entertainments. Like, and it's just it's just insane.

SPEAKER_07 32:36

Like you gotta be dumb to be a great athlete is wild.

SPEAKER_05 32:39

It's insane. And you know what? Given this trade, man, like again, I'm I'm still I'm still self to gain game. Okay, I'll be right back. It's always gonna be detailed. But I tell you what, though, every time we play Philly, and if we lose to Philly, you know what I'm gonna do? I'm not gonna get mad. I'm not. I'm not gonna get mad now one bit. Let me tell you what. And say, like, you know what I'm saying, that this is a little, you know, a little dream, dream matchup. You know what they say, say next season, right? I think we go all the way up to the Eastern Conference Finals in this Boston versus Philly. Eastern Conference Finals. That is going to be.

SPEAKER_07 33:14

That ain't happening though. First of all, because the Knicks still gonna be nicking. They ain't losing nobody.

SPEAKER_05 33:19

They lost some pieces. They lost Ronald's. Um but everybody in the East has gotten better, though.

SPEAKER_07 33:26

I mean, honestly though, like even my boy Ja, they trading him to what, Miami? No, no, no, no, no, Portland. Well, no, Giannis is in Miami is in Miami with uh uh with uh Band Man and Bio, Batman and Bio.

SPEAKER_05 33:40

Yep. Band Man and Bio. Right? So like no Miami still got still got some pieces where they gotta like, you know, fill it out and stuff like that. But this is all prevalent to where LeBron's gonna go. If LeBron, if LeBron goes back to Miami, Miami's gonna be a brother. Cavs is still a threat. Don't don't get it twisted, man. LeBron. I don't think he's going back. But LeBron goes back to Cleveland? He might. That's gonna be crazy as well.

SPEAKER_07 34:02

He might, because of how angry they were when he left. Nah, he wasn't angry when we left the first time. They were. They were when we left the first time. The first time. That's what I was talking about.

SPEAKER_05 34:12

Got them their championship, and then they've been no cake.

SPEAKER_07 34:14

That's why I don't think he's going back to Cavs. I don't think he's gonna go back to Cavs. He's going somewhere though where he has the greatest possibility of getting a ring.

SPEAKER_05 34:19

But then they say LeBron. No, bro, LeBron to Philly. With Jalen Brown, with Joe L and B, with BJ Edgecomb, with uh Tyrese Maxie. That will be.

SPEAKER_07 34:33

I also seen them saying that they think he might go to Golden State with a matter of Paul George. Curry and I don't want to talk about that. Paul George! Because what do people even play with him anymore? Unless it's an old school him. We got Podcast P. I don't understand, bro, on that one. But uh back to LeBron, I heard that he might go to uh people are thinking he might go to Golden State with Draymond and Curry. I don't think that'd be a bad lineup, bro. Not a bad lineup. Because all three of them is probably last year. Yeah. So they mean they got something to prove.

SPEAKER_05 35:03

They got something to prove, but I don't think, no.

SPEAKER_07 35:04

I don't know, but we're gonna see.

SPEAKER_05 35:05

I don't see that being uh, because you know, like if LeBron wants to, like, you know, as he said, I just want to be happy, and I think happiness is like a fifth championship.

SPEAKER_07 35:12

Remember, won another ring.

SPEAKER_05 35:13

Yeah, so that's a fifth championship. Um the teams that are a strong candidate are Philly, it is the Heat, it is Spurs. The Spurs? The Spurs.

SPEAKER_07 35:30

He's gonna be the better. Who position he's gonna be taking? Uh Darren, right? No, no.

SPEAKER_05 35:37

You got Steven Castle, you got uh you got Pasell in there. That's what I'm saying. They're gonna take out the the the whoever's the wing. No one even cares who the wing is.

SPEAKER_07 35:44

Well, yeah, it was me with sale and castle. Honestly, that could that with him.

SPEAKER_05 35:48

Dylan there, with Wimpy in there. See, that could be a little, that could be a little something, something. That's a good thing. That's been the leading to it.

SPEAKER_07 35:56

Yeah, Edwards together, I would like to see.

SPEAKER_05 35:57

Minnesota was like kind of, but they got Lamella. It's not as strong. That's not gonna happen real. No, not at all, not at all, not at all, not at all.

SPEAKER_07 36:04

I don't know. When do we find out? What's the latest?

SPEAKER_05 36:06

Um, I think he got like maybe a couple more weeks to decide for sure. I want to see though.

SPEAKER_07 36:12

Man. I honestly I hate what happened with us, but I'm here for it. I'm ready to see what next season gonna look like as a basketball fan. Right. I hate it for us. Tatum, you better do something. I don't hear Achilles nut unless you name your child Achilles, excuse me. I peek.

SPEAKER_05 36:27

Yo next child better be named Achilles. Nah, Tatum, man, you gotta you gotta bring us a chip. Especially since you bring it up. You gotta bring us a chip, man. Not for nothing. Oh, man.

SPEAKER_07 36:39

At least at least get us to at least get us to the playoffs. You know what I'm saying? No, no, no. Easter conference for Easter conference.

SPEAKER_05 36:46

Boy, that thing looked like Make America Great Again. Snowtime in LA. It's not showtime, it's snowtime. Boy, y'all look like LA for real. Nah, nah. That lineup is crazy. But like, it's it's not, it's like, it's, I feel I see nothing but just cones on defense.

SPEAKER_06 37:06

Just cones.

SPEAKER_05 37:07

I see nothing but cones.

SPEAKER_06 37:09

What?

SPEAKER_05 37:09

They got Luca and Austin Reeves the perimeter. That's a cone. The center's pretty solid on defense, but not the greatest.

SPEAKER_07 37:16

I feel better.

SPEAKER_05 37:17

He's more of a lob threat to the.

SPEAKER_07 37:19

Once I seen their lineup, I was like, all right, I'll take ours.

SPEAKER_05 37:22

I'll definitely take ours, man. I'll take ours. I mean, the Lakers are trying to be what they claim the Celtics are.

SPEAKER_07 37:29

Yeah, back in the day, they were birds.

SPEAKER_05 37:32

No, even Boston, we had black starters. Ben had black starters. No, the Boston Celtics were the first team to have black players.

SPEAKER_07 37:39

But they don't have no black nothing right now.

SPEAKER_05 37:43

They got Colin Sexton and Quentin Grimes.

SPEAKER_07 37:48

I ain't saying that because I learned you ain't got nothing nice to say I'm saying nothing at all.

SPEAKER_05 37:53

Oh man, I love to see it, man. And Lakers fan, I don't know what y'all gonna do, man. Listen, this is the same Lakers fan base who just criticized the castrated LeBron. And I'm like, yo, he got y'all a playoff series win by himself at 41. I know. And y'all just gonna say Say L I V to that? Crazy. Why your superstar who was younger, you want to build a future around, was hurt.

SPEAKER_07 38:19

I honestly feel like LeBron wanted to leave, though.

SPEAKER_05 38:21

Nah, because the Lakers weren't doing anything, dog.

SPEAKER_07 38:24

You know, he got Bronze in the Like. I feel like this is his decision. It's been his NBA since he was uh 20. Yeah. No, I get that. I get that. What about listen? We just gonna keep going. Did you see? I don't know. So, so for those who know who don't know, Big Ticket. That's what we used to call him. So back in the day, we had uh, what was it? Um uh in the basement. In the basement where he hosted it and he would just bring up the hottest artist, blah blah blah blah. Now he done switched over to radio. Well, if you're from our time frame, you know who he is. If not, look him up and you'll understand. But he recently got into this big thing where like it cost him his job, he got locked up. The um his wife, uh, I th I had to make sure, but it's his wife, um, posted a picture and it made it seem like he just be beating on her. You know what I'm saying? But then the actual footage came out recently. Mm-hmm. Hey, did you see it? No. I'm gonna tell you about it. Tell me about it. Um so it was over her phone.

SPEAKER_06 39:28

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_07 39:28

Okay. So I guess one of her peoples must have been recording it because she kept calling him Mr. Tigger, which is crazy. Um But they get the tussling over this phone. She gets his phone out of his hand. He's like, just give me back my phone. Not one time did he actually physically like hit her or anything. Right. She threw herself to the ground. It was a lot.

SPEAKER_06 39:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 39:50

And then you see kind of where, cause it's gonna get crazy. Um, you see where, like, you know, the picture we seen prior to having context, or looking like he beat her up, she beat herself up. Mm-hmm because she wouldn't give him his phone. At one point he was standing over her, and the person with the who was recording was like, get from off her. And he was like, I I'm not on her. Like, literally just give me my phone, and this will be fine. Right. Now, it is 2026. It's 2026, though. So what I'm gonna say is, cause it because this leads somewhere with me saying, I'm not taking the male side. This is for male or female. Um, don't go through somebody's phone or take somebody's phone unless you're really ready for what comes with it. In this day and age, our phone is our most prized possession in some cases. And some people's life, that might be their only way to deal with it. If if you business like he is, you know he got a radio show. Uh, regardless of what he had in his phone, that is his lifeline.

SPEAKER_05 40:46

That's his business. That's his business. Stay out of people's phones.

SPEAKER_07 40:49

You're married to him. The thing he said, give him back his phone. Give him back his phone. Why are you holding it hostage?

SPEAKER_05 40:55

Why?

SPEAKER_07 40:56

And why, like, I don't, I don't get that. Like, and it happens a lot across the board. Like, and off of that, she did a whole after scene, before we seen the footage, she all busted up in her face. Mind you, she threw herself to the ground. He never hit her. All because she wouldn't get the phone. And then, please also, if you're gonna be out here copping pleas and making it seem like, in this case, this man don't beat you. He's abusive. Make sure you ain't got your own skeletons that can come out the closet. Because she is literally arrested. Yeah. And locked up now because of what something that happened to, I guess, her daughter in the past that passed away, and now they're like.

SPEAKER_05 41:38

That was that was uh thinking talking piece uh last year. That came to my attention.

SPEAKER_07 41:43

But I didn't know who Aaliyah was. Yeah, no one knew who that was.

SPEAKER_05 41:47

But everyone thought that was mighty suspicious and what's going on here. So that all that kind of makes sense in the tracks. And that kind of correlates another uh piece of news I saw earlier with Marcellus Wiley and his wife making um trigger warning, trigger, trigger, trigger, trigger warning, rape allegations and abuse allegations. And they're married, and they're married. Yeah. And she's doing all of that. And meanwhile, he came back after a brief period of silence, because you want to make sure he got all the receipts, all the facts lined up in a row, he released it all, and it was similar to the same situation Big Tigger's uh dealing with. That's what happened. A woman, like literally, like, oh, you're successful or like a well-known black man. Yeah, and because that's what's happening. And I'm going to, uh-huh, because something's wrong with me, I'm going to be and it's again nasty allegations. I'm going to wait till all the facts play out in court. But I feel very vindicated and strongly on both Marcellus Wally.

SPEAKER_07 42:41

Well, Marcellus is definitely I'm going to keep an eye on, but ticker for sure. We've already been.

SPEAKER_05 42:46

We got video, yeah, we got video evidence on TV. We're vindicated.

SPEAKER_07 42:49

And but what I was gonna say, and and like course with that, like um, when when men do go silent, especially when it's a lot of loud noise about them being abusive, and um, I mean, she put out a whole picture, you know what I'm saying? Um, when men usually go quiet and don't say anything, it's because they they are gathering it together. Like it just but I just I I just feel like it's some things we gotta let go. You know what I'm saying? Like some things is just like, okay. Okay. Good God. If somebody you you if you go to somebody's phone and whatever, she seen something. You feel me? She did. And and it might not be favorable. You know, we don't know what people do behind closed doors, but it's 2026, and and if y'all think uh only it's uh um all these women that are gay and it's not the same amount of men that are, then that's crazy. Like she probably seen something crazy in it. But when he said give him his phone, give him his phone. Don't go through phones.

SPEAKER_05 43:50

Unless you can phones alone.

SPEAKER_07 43:52

No, unless you can handle it.

SPEAKER_05 43:53

I just leave phones alone. No, no one can handle it.

SPEAKER_07 43:57

No, most of the things I can handle it.

SPEAKER_05 43:59

Can't handle it.

SPEAKER_07 44:00

But I'm not a go-through the phone person.

SPEAKER_05 44:01

Exactly. Because you don't go through the phone phone.

SPEAKER_07 44:03

Because I don't care. It will come out.

SPEAKER_05 44:05

Right.

SPEAKER_07 44:06

But when somebody says give them their phone. Give them their phone. Give them their phone. What are you fighting for? What are you trying to prove? And that's what you get, girl. You should have worried about trying to figure out what happened to your child. Like crazy.

SPEAKER_05 44:20

She's guilty. She k Casey Anthony that. Um that's crazy.

SPEAKER_07 44:25

She got away though. So she didn't. Casey Anthony's still getting away, man.

SPEAKER_05 44:29

She got away. Um, but yeah, man. Like again, y'all, with this marriages and relationships, man.

SPEAKER_07 44:39

Y'all take your time, do it right.

SPEAKER_05 44:42

Take your time, do it right. Stop rushing into things because you feel like you're on a timeline. Stop doing that. Oh, we've been doing yeah, oh, we've been doing this for this long. What's going on? What are we? Stop, stop.

SPEAKER_07 44:54

Stop going again, like uh trying to work it against like what society says.

SPEAKER_05 44:59

Yeah. Like it and again, like, not for nothing. But like, every time, like, you know, I talk to women, she's like, oh, I want to get married, and I'm like, why? Or anybody, like, why?

SPEAKER_07 45:12

So let me ask you a question. I'm about to read you, I want to get your take on this then, right? Because you think that most women feel the same. It's dudes that feel the same.

SPEAKER_05 45:21

But no, no, I say I I cleaned it up. I said both.

SPEAKER_07 45:23

No, no, no, you didn't say both either. But it's more women who are more open with the dialogues. That's what they like. That's what they need to do. I definitely agree, right? But I seen a post. I'm about to go to it right now. Um, okay. I'm gonna get your feelings on this, right? I'm gonna read it. So it says, Don't waste your time. It's from a woman. I am no use to a man. I do not want to be a wife or girlfriend. Never dreamed of it. Yes, I uplift, cook, clean, have sex good. I'm funny, fun, spontaneous, and I'm ambitious. But I share those parts of me when I feel like it. The concept of centering my life around a man propels me. I will always choose my freedom over love from another. The average woman's dream is a nightmare to me. I don't care if you're the richest, most intelligent man in the world, I don't have to be tied to you to enjoy you. I'm a fully functional adult. I belong to myself and I answer to no one. My life is invite only. And I have been coming across more and more women who feel like this. Like, she got three dot over 3,000 shares on this, and it's mostly from women. So, how do you feel about that?

SPEAKER_05 46:34

Yeah, whoever that is, man. You're a godsend. You're a godsend. I wholeheartedly believe with every single syllable of that word, yo. Shout out to you, ma'am. Okay. I I wholeheartedly on that team. For sure. So yeah, no, no, yeah. Okay, well, good.

SPEAKER_07 46:58

Well, no, no, listen. With that being said, because I'm here for that. And amen to you saying that. Let me tell you something. You think I'm playing this girl, the one, I even look at the girl who actually posted it. The one who I seen, she's a beautiful woman, but she is about her business. She's been down there trying to be in love. She realized that don't work for her. She posted it. And on this post is men so mad. One said that's just you. So be it. Nobody gives AF. Life gonna move with or without you, dummy. Okay, whoa, whoa. Whoa, whoa. I swear to God, bro. Men were mad.

SPEAKER_04 47:36

Men were mad. No, we need more of this. But this is a good one.

SPEAKER_07 47:39

We need more of this. I think your job, bro, is when it comes to like educating these young brothers who get so caught up in the emotional side. Yo. He felt it attacked. She didn't say she didn't need you. She just said it wasn't a good idea. She don't want to.

SPEAKER_05 47:54

She's that's not her life, that's not her jam. And I wholeheartedly agree with that. Your should not be sitting around one person, have to like, you know, do all of this X, Y, Z compromise, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You live your life how you want to live your life. You choose, and you elect to give me your time, your energy, your twice, et cetera, et cetera. I'm happy as a pig shit. Yep. I'm trying to tell you I am. Like, you ain't trying to do any of the extra stuff. I am happy as a pig. No, I'm happier than a pig and shit. I swear to God, I am. Because nah. We need men need more energy. I don't know. And then again, and when it comes to dude, which is why they're all salty and stuff like that. Because again, talk about it. When it comes to marriage, a lot of people don't know what marriage is. They don't really know they're doing the be married. They think it's social status. They're thinking, they're thinking um from the outside looking in, this is a good look. They don't know what marriage actually is and what it entails. And what it is and what you have to do and what you have to require. That's why, you know, people get a divorce left and right. Because they don't know or don't understand what marriage actually is. And so to some people who are like me and this young lady who understand the gravity of marriage, I'm telling other people who don't know the gravity of marriage, hey, y'all don't know what y'all want or thinking or don't even know what your marriage is. You know, like people's like, oh, I want to be a wife. Do you even know how to be a wife? And that doesn't mean cleaning the house and cooking and sucking and popping and cracking. That's a part of it, but that's not the whole entire detail. That's not the whole entire thing. What do you bring to the table as a deeper thing? How do we connect to be a wife? And it's a deeper thing to be a husband. It is. Can you leave? People, men don't understand the kind of work it takes to be a husband. They don't understand what it what their duty is.

SPEAKER_07 49:45

And I I I love that that's your take on this. Yeah. Because when I seen so many men upset, I did. I thought about you. And I was like, nah. Nah. My boy. And I had a whole about 15 to 20% of me. I was like, he might be like on some other stuff. But honestly, it's refreshing to hear that you you agree with that. Because that's where a lot of women are at now. And a lot of men, they they they take it like you're being dissed.

SPEAKER_06 50:19

Mm-mm.

SPEAKER_07 50:19

You're not. You should be glad that a woman finally is putting together the emotional and logic. Because that's what I feel like happens. That's what happens.

SPEAKER_05 50:26

Balance of emotional logic. Exactly.

SPEAKER_07 50:28

That is a perfect balance of. Like I'm a whole lesbian and I'm like.

SPEAKER_05 50:33

Yo.

SPEAKER_07 50:33

I don't even know. Like that is that's read that one more time, Swag for the. I got you. I got you, bro.

SPEAKER_05 50:38

Like, ladies, listen up to this. She said, I'm going back to it. Hold on.

SPEAKER_07 50:42

Give me a hold of hear that twice. And it's knowing who you are. Like, if you are the opposite of that, that's fine. But say it. You know what I'm saying? And stick to it. But but if you're not, don't lie and try to be the uh D D that we talked about. Don't be a delusional Debbie. Okay, okay. Please don't do that. Because wait, what she said. Don't waste your time. Love that. I am not, I am no use to a man. I do not got you. I do not want to be a wife or girlfriend. Never dreamed of it. Yes, I uplift, cook, clean, have sex good. I'm funny, fun, spontaneous, and I'm ambitious. But I share those parts of me when I feel like it. That's capitalized. The concept of centering my life around a man repels me. I will always choose my freedom over love from another. The average woman's dream is a nightmare to me. I don't care if you're the richest, most intelligent man in the world. I don't have to be tired to you to enjoy you. I'm a fully functional adult. I belong to myself and I answer to no more. This is the part he liked.

SPEAKER_01 51:50

Hallelujah. I know my boy is so good. Hey, man.

SPEAKER_05 51:56

Yo. Man, I just gotta say this, man, right here, right now. That lady knew exactly what she was coming from. She knows what it was and what time it is. I totally, hey, yo, if you if you on that type of time, my DMs are wide. Okay.

SPEAKER_07 52:19

And that's my honey, you know what I'm saying? Like, I think that's important though, in the concept of being an adult. You know, like knowing, and that's where I'm getting even with myself. That's it, like it's a wraparound, reach around with it. Like, um, yes, we choose joy. But then self-preservation. And what that means is knowing who you are, what you truly want out of life, and what you're looking for in a person that you may or may not spend your life with. If you look for someone to be your life partner, like I never I get partner now. Partnership to me now is like a forever thing though, right? But you can have a girlfriend, you can have a boyfriend, you can have someone you just kick it with because it's a good time. They take your mind away from everything. You ain't gotta that can be the one person you chill with while dealing with life, and you don't have to commit. Because you know you're not ready for that. And it and but uh the double side of it, the flip side is you gotta be okay with if they find somebody and they want to commit when they say, Well, this was fun, but I found somebody who is on the same type of time as me. You gotta be okay with that.

SPEAKER_05 53:22

Gotta be okay with it, man. Yeah. You got a song for it, though. Man, this is just uh such a revolutionizing way of thinking.

SPEAKER_07 53:30

Uh, it is though. I honestly agree with you. We've been talking about this for a minute. You are crazy. This is my let's go. Let's go.

SPEAKER_01 53:50

Let's get it.

SPEAKER_07 54:00

We both we've been bigger in life by going through it. Boy, you put him on Kurt Brickley. Well, he just let somebody the other day. Do you want a revolution? In Jesus' name. You crazy. I love it. I love it here. You know what I'm saying? I think I'll round it out. Um, have you had any more um issues with delusional debt?

SPEAKER_05 54:29

Oh no, she got smoothed up out of here, man. Like, you know, uh all the face, all the FaceTime calls are promptly ignored with post-hate school. But again, like I listened back to that episode too. I didn't I didn't say you're doing anything wrong.

SPEAKER_07 54:42

No, you didn't, you didn't. It was a good episode. I got really good feedback on both ends from it, even with the way, like, but people were rocking with it. You know what I'm saying? On your end, I think it's important that I say that. Cause I always, you know, I what's what he called me, piss and miss it. Pimper.

SPEAKER_05 54:56

Positive patty. I hate what you call it.

SPEAKER_07 54:58

Positive patty ass. But but honestly, people spilling on it, because that's real. That's real. You said some real John. I I I love that with your with your who you becoming more and more, and just the realness of it, you know. Yeah. But again, like, yeah, like you. Ain't no bitter. I you see, I don't say who hurt you no more. Exactly.

SPEAKER_05 55:15

Yeah. Appreciate that. Appreciate that.

SPEAKER_07 55:23

Thank you. Shout out to Rachel.

SPEAKER_05 55:24

Shout out to Rachel. Um, but yeah, so that that's that's pretty much on that story. That's that's cleared it out the way because again, like, you know, I got to stand on principle. Like, can't be doing that. Like, all the other stuff is like by the by, but doing that whole public like.

SPEAKER_07 55:39

Especially when you acting like you pimping. It's in pimp, acting like you pimping and you just pull up at this bar with somebody you done kicked with. You done cracked earlier. Okay, and then try to come in my face. That's out.

SPEAKER_05 55:50

That's out insanity to me.

SPEAKER_07 55:52

And that's that's the thing, though. Like, y'all, I hope anyone listen, if you that type of person, don't be. Don't be. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah. Yeah, I'm gonna do that. I think I think we we we killed it. It's it's a quick, this one a quick and uh.

SPEAKER_05 56:08

Oh, yeah, it's a freestyle. It's a freestyle. You wanna do a little couple of Woodie Rabbit's before we got here? I do. I love that you would be rather.

SPEAKER_07 56:16

I knew you had some.

SPEAKER_05 56:18

Got a song for you. Gotta make sure I got this little crack in the thing.

SPEAKER_07 56:21

Oh, I know, I've been hearing it.

SPEAKER_05 56:22

All right, hold up, hold up, hold up. We'll be right back after this message.

SPEAKER_07 56:28

Whatever, once we're talking, it didn't take out now. So we're just gonna end it and just case the comeback trying to get on us like an upgrade.

SPEAKER_05 56:35

And then again, K Double H A L P R K 94.7 FM with the equipment.

SPEAKER_07 56:41

Okay. Hey, but we work through anything. Keep that in mind.

SPEAKER_05 56:44

Yes, we do. Yes, we do. So we're gonna be outside well five. Matter of fact, we're not gonna do what you rather. I wanna I'm I'm gonna do a little new one. We got a new one for you, right? It's called Hot Take Court. Okay. Okay. So I'm gonna give you a take. Do you want to attack it or defend it?

SPEAKER_07 57:02

Am I the prosecutor or the defender? Yes.

SPEAKER_05 57:05

So I'm gonna give you the take. You choose beside, and I'm gonna take the opposite.

SPEAKER_07 57:08

All right, bet.

SPEAKER_05 57:08

Okay. We're gonna do okay. And I'm gonna let the audience out there decide.

SPEAKER_07 57:13

Come on, it's a new job. I like your little joint, you call it. Who's a jury?

SPEAKER_05 57:16

The audience is a jury. So, audience, tap in to T H A M A K podcast and let us know what you think.

SPEAKER_07 57:23

And Liz, you can find us once you put that in now. He made much easier. All right.

SPEAKER_05 57:29

Marriage is a worse financial decision than buying a house.

SPEAKER_07 57:35

Oh I'm gonna do it to myself. I'm gonna be the prosecutor. I'll defend that take for sure. I know you will. But I could defend it.

SPEAKER_05 57:49

Okay, so yes, it is a worse financial decision. You gotta think about the money it takes for you to buy the wedding, to be in the wedding, to do the wedding in itself, in it in its entirety, right there. Going in together, like you know, saying you're putting your own finances at risk by joining your finances together, and say, and again, marriage has a 50% chance rate of success. So it is a 50-50 split down right. You need to run the numbers, and I'll not keep going. And I'm gonna do a little one up.

SPEAKER_07 58:18

I'm gonna one up for my one up and two on the spot. Keep going.

SPEAKER_05 58:22

Marriage between lesbians has a 75% divorce rate. Throwing that out there. Anywho. So what I'm saying is this, man, it's a very it's a high risk regardless by itself. So when you're saying like when you buy in a house, that means, okay, yeah, a fire can happen, natural disasters can happen, but natural disasters don't come on a whim for the most part. You know what I mean? Sometimes it just it it does pop up, but it does have a little forewarning and all that stuff like that. Marriage, you're depending on someone else's mood, feelings, thoughts, all the stuff, and that is a very fragile thing. A person can wake up one day and be like, Yeah, I'm not feeling this anymore. Okay, I'm out. And you and you did all you invested all that time, all that money to build a life and a legacy together, it is a huge financial risk. I will say that for sure.

SPEAKER_07 59:19

Alright, can I prosecute? Alright, I just want to make sure I was right. So wow. Yeah, true, cool. Uh, marriage, I'm gonna read like you read, provides a stronger legal tax and equity protection than buying a home together as an unmarried couple. Now, both do represent long-term commitments, right? But divorce laws, regardless of appreciate up or anything, they establish clear protocols for asset division. Now, I heard what you said. Um asset division. A divorce card, what does it do? Oversee the division of the home. Whether it is sold or one person buys the other one out. So if you're in a position to buy out the person, then just do that. You feel me? Um, if I get it from an inheritance, you know what I'm saying? Surviving spouses typically, if you one or the other die, you inherit it without having to go through all the extra joint with the family members who just came to visit. Okay. Right? Financial protection. Marriage allows were easier pulling up income and provides a buffer where a dual income household can better whether health or economic setbacks. So why, yes. All that's cool. But getting married actually works out whether you divorce or stay together to your benefit, depending on the position you're in, if y'all buy a house. Because without that, and you buy a house with somebody and you're not together, well now it's just a whole, it's a shit show. Because there's nothing set in place where you know what I'm saying, that makes it right. Because you're making more money, then you're gonna end up having to give it up. Cause they need somewhere to live. Look at Portia and uh the the the uh from Housewives of Atlanta. Yeah. So marriage actually saves you with buying a house.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:13

It does. Audience, y'all the jury, man. Y'all let us know. Y'all let's just. Yeah, let us know. This home is on the spot. This home is on the spot.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:19

I could be wrong, but I'm feeling like, no, I don't think I am. I think it's two sides representing child boo. I really got some quick research.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:27

All right, case number two, you ready for this? Okay. Pretty privilege is more powerful than education.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:38

No. What am I if I'm against it? I'm prosecuting it.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:43

No, you you are a prosecutor if you're against it.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:45

Yeah, I'm against it. That's not true. Pretty privilege is more powerful than education? No.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:55

Tell me, go ahead. Pretty privilege is more powerful than education because what do people see first? What gets you in the door? Your face. If your face card is valid, it you could be the dumbest person in the room. But how you stay in the room? By your pretty privilege. She don't speak.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:14

If you can't speak the same language, I don't care how pretty you are. You must gonna be busting it open or sucking something like that.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:20

No, no, but you're in the room still. No, no, no, don't, don't, don't, don't, no, no, no, no. But don't don't is that dumb or not? Or is that dumb and that's using what you have to your advantage? Pretty privilege, or pretty privilege education.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:31

So you're dumb and pretty is what you're saying.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:33

If you're dumb and pretty, you can you still get far ahead in life. And you could be ugly and smart as hell and not get nowhere near close. That's what I'm saying to you. That's what I'm saying to you.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:45

Ugly people might not be the front of the cover.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:48

And they won't be the front in the line.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:50

They still in the room.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:51

No, they're not.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:52

Mostly ugly people are nerds, whatever you consider ugly, the ones that are the judge and the jury in the background at the end of the day. You think pretty privilege really gets you into like it gets you in the room. It gets pretty good.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:04

How do you stay in the room? No, it just gets you in the room. All the stain and stuff like that is totally, it's not, it's not even a mute, it's a mute point. How you get into the room. It's all that matters. Once you step foot in there, you're in there, you're showing your face to other people in that room.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:20

Pretty privilege if you're dumb and it gets you in the room. You know what that means. You have to come in. You're there because you're pregnant. That's what I'm saying. No, no. Even if you learn what's happening in the room, it does not matter. No, that's ugly. You're talking about you're talking about the staying power.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:34

I'm talking about solely getting in the room. It don't matter. Stay in power matters.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:46

She's been considered ugly. She's not an ugly woman. She has not been considered ugly. You know her story? Yes, I know her story, but she has not been considered ugly. Oh my god. That's over with this one person.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:03

I'm trying to tell you why. No, no, no, no, no. You ain't here to use an exception. This is the rule. No, no, no. You're over here quoting accepting. The rule. The rule. Dog, we'll be gonna for exact ugly woman.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:15

Y'all consider her, like, we're not talking about. Don't tell me y'all. We're not talking about you. We are talking about the general public. The general public. You knew what you wanted to do defending-wise, but pretty privilege does not keep you in the room.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:29

Dog, okay. Swaggetton. I'm not talking about keeping in the room. I'm trying to tell you what gets you in the room. Not the staying power. Not what you do once you're in there. It's to get.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:45

Just to say what gets you in the room. Where ugly people don't get in the room.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:48

Swagging. We're in America. Basic is the thing that gets us ahead.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:52

Huh? Ugly people don't get in the room. Ugly people have a harder time getting in the room. Do they get in the room? That doesn't answer my question at all. I say, do ugly people get in the room like pretty people with privilege? For the most part, no. Oh my God. Once again, not answering my question. Do ugly people get in the room?

SPEAKER_04 1:05:10

No. You're lying. I'm gonna say that. No, they don't. You're a liar. No, they don't. You just want to prove your point. They don't get in the room.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:16

Pretty privilege and the pretty privilege is more powerful.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:20

You could be the smartest, most educated person in the world. Swag, I'm trying to give you the realities of what we're where we're at in this society right now. Pretty privilege is more powerful than education. Duh, but listen. No, no, you just said it. You said duh.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:36

I say duh. I say duh, but but but you see, you can't leave it at that because you can keep you in the room. Getting in the room. Swag. So nothing matters once you're in the room. All we care about is what's getting in the room. Getting in the room. And only pretty people get in the room. Only pretty people get in the room. Thank you. Jerry, you decide. Nigga, we watch a movie about Jason and Michael Myers.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:56

Jerry, you decide. What? Jerry, you decide.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:59

Please, please. Please.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:00

You decide. Please.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:01

Oprah called fat and ugly.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:04

Oh, wow. Bunch of white people call Oprah fat and ugly. Therefore, they make sure she's fat.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:09

Oprah's not ugly. You know why she got in a room, though? Because she was educated in a couple of things. She got in a room because she's not ugly. Oh my God. She was called this all. She was called that. You are talking about colorism. Pretty people are considered light-skinned faces. No, they're not.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:25

No, they're not. Pretty isn't just confined to just one skin tone.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:30

Nah, bro. Literally. There's pretty white people, pretty black people, pretty dark skin, pretty black. Pretty in between. To white people. It don't matter. That's the people who letting you in the room. You're not getting in a black ass room. We literally had to go to the bottom.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:47

No, no, the people in the black rooms again in the black room.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:49

Okay, but we're not talking about black room. We're talking about them rooms. We clearly are. So you're so you're submitting the fact that pretty much. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Pretty only belongs to white people. No, shut up. What room were you talking about? Just the room in general. It's a room in general. Oh my god, I can't say that right now. Pretty privileged. You were talking about a certain room, bro. It's a room. Okay. It's the room.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:16

Oprah Winfrey got into the room.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:18

Wendy Williams.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:19

Got into the room.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:20

She made her own room. They made their own privilege education after this. Got into her room for her looks and her charisma. Oprah Winfrey herself said that was a good idea.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:29

Got in there for her looks and her charisma. So she's not going to be able to do she test well. You don't test well in the camp. She passed the camera test.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:37

She passed the camera test.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:39

You don't pass the camera test at the time. You need to know what you're talking about. What I'm wrong. I'm not wrong. And I can't wait till y'all weigh in on this shit. I'm not wrong. Please, I'm gonna share the hell out of this. I'm not wrong. You are so wrong this time.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:51

I'm not wrong. I'm so not wrong. Good thing we're ending this podcast right here, right now.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:59

Hey, come on.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:00

No, no, pretty privilege is more powerful than education, I'm trying to tell you. Alright, well, that's how you feel. That's not how I feel.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:05

That's just a fact. That's just a cold fact of the world. Honestly, honestly, I just got a little pinch. That's not real. Honestly, based on what we just did, Judge and Jury, you're wrong. I'm right. But we're gonna see.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:16

We're gonna see. We're gonna see. We're gonna see.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:17

We can leave it right there. We're gonna leave it right now. I wouldn't kick you under this table so bad. Also, we put up a GoFundMe, y'all. So we're trying to check out the. No, it is on there. It's on there.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:28

Go to the T H A M A K P O D C H S T. The link is in the bio.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:33

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SPEAKER_05 1:08:52

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SPEAKER_02 1:10:02

Big fat nigga. Off rip, bit fat, got pulled like a crossbow, green like a cotton nose. Don't fool a gall toes. Get the black clothes, cause a nigga try to meet me at the crossroads. I let it purr in the cat fight. Nice skin, but a nigga ain't half white. Every bit I'm owned is a crap fight. Seven years old when my dad died, no cat, my experience was serious. The rear round a myriad of niggas that's the physious. I had a money to bust up a small nigga furious. Try to rabbin with rabbinists ghetto feminists wanna stab a lit, catalyst with rippy daddy, so too be the menus with. You ain't doing better still. Hey look, big facts, them chests that I rock with you. I call with a stick like a popsicle. Five kids, a hurdle. If you ever touch a broad deal, see your black nigga turtle. Don't ever succumb to a lame nigga sellin' you dreams. Merri mirror on the wall, I'm the fierce of them all. But then a nigga hot hair rulin' in the mirror mirror on the wall, I'm the fierce of them all. But then a nigga hot hair rulin' in the queen.