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The M.A.K Podcast is back with a different kind of energy.

After a one-week hiatus, Asaad the Artiz and Kemistree return for one of their most mature and introspective conversations to date. Less shock value. More substance.

The episode opens with a vulnerable discussion on emotional intelligence as Asaad reflects on his communication style—realizing that he’s always been better at expressing what he thinks rather than what he feels. Kemistree responds by opening up about her own growth, acknowledging her tendency to listen with the intent to “correct” rather than simply understand. Together, they unpack what healthy communication really looks like.

From there, the conversation shifts into the current state of hip hop:

• Do albums even matter anymore?
• Is hip hop still the cultural driver?
• Which artist carries the most pressure to help steer rap in a new direction?

Then comes the episode’s deepest conversation.

Inspired by discussions inside The Safe Space group chat, the hosts tackle interracial dating and racial fetishization—not from a place of judgment, but from a place of curiosity, education, and self-awareness. Asaad makes it clear this isn’t a “Dr. Umar soapbox” moment. Instead, the goal is to explore the historical, psychological, and cultural nuances surrounding attraction, identity, and how race shapes dating preferences.

To close things out, Kemistree throws out one of the boldest questions the podcast has ever discussed:

Should segregation make a comeback in 2026?

The answers… probably aren’t what you’re expecting.

This episode isn’t about hot takes for clicks. It’s about having the conversations many people avoid.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_12 0:00

Oh man, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike Check one, two. What is this? It's a Mac crew top two talking so authentic. Chillin'. Chilling? Yeah, chillin'. How you doing? You always chill. Chill, chill, chill.

SPEAKER_07 0:15

I mean, I'm a laid back person and tell them not. So you know, I try to say laid back, it's easier that way.

SPEAKER_12 0:21

You know, before we get to the show story, man, sometimes we do like, you know, little little real topics to kick off the show, right? So one thing that I want to do, hold on, give me one second, y'all. Give me one second. Let me gather my thoughts real quick. Man, hold up. Dramatic pause aside. Dramatic pause aside. You know, I've been thinking about how I communicate and how I often tell people what I think. It takes prevalence to how I tell people what I'm feeling and how I'm feeling. And I've been trying to dig uh dig into the roots of that because I feel like, you know, if I tell people how I feel, it's gonna it's gonna turn off a lot of people on your boy.

SPEAKER_07 1:19

I mean, it's a double-edged sword, but I feel like not saying how you don't feel also kind of backs it up inside of you. Then you just have these thoughts and feelings that you haven't shared all to yourself and they go nowhere. Well they form your own opinions, but you just I don't know. And that's a double-edged sword because people will throw your feelings back in your face.

SPEAKER_12 1:38

That's what I'm saying. And I'm trying to be careful about like, you know, especially me growing up in this in this world as a black man, you know what I mean. We're we're kind of taught at an early age to be the master of our emotions, right? Or that means, you know, I mean, we can't display or convey our emotions because it can be deemed threatening and all that stuff like that. Like, you know what I'm saying, we we can't get angry, you know.

SPEAKER_07 2:00

Yeah, you have to dispress your feelings with caution.

SPEAKER_12 2:03

With caution, right? And like, you know, that kind of like that that little stifle, that crutch. That kind of like, you know, when we do get to a point where like we do like explode or snap or whatever, we can't we can't articulate or find the words to find the right words to convey how we feel.

SPEAKER_07 2:21

Before we get into that point.

SPEAKER_12 2:23

Because we're taught to be like, no, we can't, you know what I mean, we gotta uh keep the feelings aside, you know what I mean, push down the feelings, you know what I mean, like facts over feelings, X, Y, and Z.

SPEAKER_07 2:33

But um, sometimes feelings are just feelings and I haven't had no facts to go with it.

SPEAKER_12 2:38

So even when I'm wrong, like, so even though even though I know how I'm feeling is wrong, should I still communicate that?

SPEAKER_07 2:46

Well, what's wrong about it? That's probably why you should think about it like that. Like, if it's wrong because you don't want to hurt the person's feelings, but it's your truth. But it's your truth in the way that you feel, then no, that's not it. Like, I I too um struggle with that of like not expressing um some of my true feelings when it comes to things with somebody, other people, because I know how they're going to take it on their end. Right. And so that, but then what does that do for me with my feelings? Now I'm just holding on to these feelings and they expressing how they feel with no problems to my feelings. So I just think you should just express it. I mean, if they gonna get hurt, they get hurt, but hopefully it's something you can move past, or if not, then at least you got that off your chest.

SPEAKER_12 3:28

Isn't that a little selfish though?

SPEAKER_07 3:29

I mean, I don't know if it's that selfish, because isn't it selfish that you won't express your feelings because you don't want to hurt them?

SPEAKER_12 3:35

Well, because we're like what?

SPEAKER_07 3:37

And you being selfish for their sake. At that, you're not even being selfish for your own sake when you do it like that.

SPEAKER_12 3:41

But like, you know, if I tell you what I think and what I think is a little bit more digestible, then you know what I mean. I feel like, you know, that that's that that will like it.

SPEAKER_07 3:50

What you think comes from your feelings, though.

SPEAKER_12 3:52

No, it comes from it comes from observations.

SPEAKER_07 3:55

We can compartmentalize all we want, but see, that's like an opinion. That's not a feeling then. We're talking about feelings. Feelings are what you actually you feel, not without, not your opinion, not like if someone says, I don't know, um, for whatever reason, they don't believe in you no more. Like, but you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_11 4:13

Like Oh, I got a lot of people out there that don't believe in you.

SPEAKER_07 4:15

Right, but your feelings on that matter because who were they to say they don't believe in you anymore? You know what I'm saying? Like, and if that's the case, that's fine, they can have that, but like, then you never really believed in me. Like, it's fine to believe in people from a distance. It's fine to be like, I can only stay around to see so much before. But to I feel like that's giving up.

SPEAKER_12 4:32

That's fake.

SPEAKER_07 4:33

I feel like that's fake. I feel like it's giving up.

SPEAKER_12 4:35

If you're believing from a distance or you're supporting from a distance, that's I mean, it's a standard. I mean, they're just like, oh, just in case that person does make it to be a success, I could be like, see, I was really giving the entire time.

SPEAKER_07 4:46

That's not giving up. Most of them people wouldn't say that. So the people who say it out of their mouth, that's the difference. So that's what I mean by your feelings versus your opinion. Like it's something, if something you feel, you should just say it. I don't know. I think it's 2026, and at this point, everybody should just really say how they feel, as long as they can do it respectfully.

SPEAKER_12 5:02

And that's the trick. They're in that life because how I feel will come across as disrespectful as hell. You know what I mean? Because, you know, because I haven't found the right words to convey in a way that it doesn't, you know what I mean. Because again, like I am looking out for I don't want to hurt anybody, you know what I mean? But it's just like I can't help but to feel like how I am feeling about something is hurtful.

SPEAKER_07 5:24

And then that's what I I think that's a good way to preface it. Like, you know, I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but how I feel is how I feel, and it's probably gonna come off as disrespectful, but uh that's probably how you felt when they said or did whatever to get you in this feeling.

SPEAKER_12 5:39

Okay. But what they did not do anything, right? Nothing happens. So so so so. So say like nothing happens, like say a situation just popped up out of nowhere, right? And you're still in that situation, still processing that situation, right? And the sad person asks you, hey, what's on your mind, you know, da da da, but you really haven't fully processed the information yet. That's where I like, you know, I'll tell you what I'm thinking. Yeah, I'm never telling you what I'm feeling because I'm still. Well, I always say that though.

SPEAKER_07 6:06

Yeah, like I think that's where words matter. Like, you know, um I can tell you where I'm at so far what I'm feeling, but I'm still processing the situation, you know what I mean? And if you don't feel like you should say anything before processing it, then you just tell them, like, I would love to tell you, but I'm still processing what I'm even feeling. But once I get there, I promise you I'll let you know. That's a real thing. Like, at least you're not, you know, um kind of shunning away them asking or checking in on you or like taking away that, but it's just like at the same time, I don't have the words right now.

SPEAKER_12 6:35

Yeah. And most of the time it's not even like personal. Like some people will take how I feel about something and personalize it. And I'm like, no, this is how I'm feeling about the situation itself.

SPEAKER_07 6:48

Yeah, but it's like a generalized feeling.

SPEAKER_12 6:49

Like, yeah, like what like, but it's nothing personalized towards you exactly because you don't have to do anything wrong for me to feel a certain way about the situation at hand. Rather than like, you know, oh, is it about me? Uh you're you're you're taking it to the city.

SPEAKER_07 7:04

Well, that's an interesting thing though that you say. So it so what you feeling at this, like with this type of scenario, it's not about the person per se, it's more about what you got going on in your own personal life. Yeah. Well, then that's different. I mean, that's your feeling towards something you got going on in your own life.

SPEAKER_12 7:21

Which is like the like it's always bigger picture with me when it comes just in general with anything. Like you're not sure.

SPEAKER_07 7:25

I feel like but like the person who's asking you, um, they shouldn't get hurt unless you make it feel like it's because of them that it's happening. I don't see why they would feel some type of way about what you're personally feeling for your personal situation. Yeah. I don't see why they would take that and be like hurt from it. It might not be what they want to hear, maybe it's something like along those type of lines, as far as like like your feelings might be a little negative towards it or whatever.

SPEAKER_12 7:51

Like So my thing is, like, if it alright, so and people, I feel like people need to come to grips. Like, not everybody's gonna hear what they want to hear or what they like to hear.

SPEAKER_07 8:00

No.

SPEAKER_12 8:01

Like, you know what I'm saying? That's not always gonna be the case. Like, you people are gonna say some things that you don't like and some things that you don't want to hear. Yeah. And I feel like people need to, you know, kind of like handle that a little bit better.

SPEAKER_07 8:13

That comes with growth. I mean, you gotta be willing, like, well, for it's not just growth, I would say, because sometimes people are gonna say stuff you don't want to hear. Are you and and um but is it what they're saying wrong or are they attacking you, or what they saying, is it will it is it making you better? Like, say you might have messed up and then holding you accountable. That's a different type of thing or somebody. You know what I'm saying? Versus somebody just attacking you, and because hurt people hurt people, well now they want to hurt you, or because misery loves company, they want to bring you down to their level. Now that's the difference in that type of expression.

SPEAKER_12 8:45

I'm never coming from that angle, but just like I know, like, okay, if I tell this person how I feel about the situation or how I feel about something, it's gonna be taken that way because you know, sorry I can't help but to be the bad guy.

SPEAKER_07 8:57

Well, you know, it happens, but I mean, I would just say go for it and say it. Like, honestly, if the conversation, if it if it's communication in the correct way, once you say what you have to say, and whoever's like it is their feelings might get a little hurt. You don't have to close the door at that. You could be like, now, you know, I don't want you feeling hurt, so tell me what what about what I said hurt you so that I can break it down so that maybe you can understand better where I'm coming from.

SPEAKER_12 9:21

And usually when they're hurt, man, it's because they're taking it personal instincts. Or there's like not they're not hearing.

SPEAKER_07 9:25

They're not hearing what I'm saying. Yeah.

SPEAKER_12 9:26

And I've had a lot of excessive history saying something and not being heard fully. Right, because I mean, but I think that's a natural instinct. Because they're thinking I'm meaning something else.

SPEAKER_07 9:35

It's a natural instinct, I think, for people to uh first feel attacked when they're hearing something that is like a conversation that's kind of sensitive or whatever. I think it's natural for people to go on the defense, which is why, you know, we have to retune our brains on stuff. Because sometimes, like, most of the time, honestly, when someone's saying something to you, if you just sit and listen, which is the hardest thing, honestly, to sit and listen without wanting to react, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's a hard thing to do because some people will say some stuff and you might not agree with it at all. And the hardest thing to do is not stop them right where they're at and break it down right then and there. Because I I struggle with that. Like, if I feel like somebody's saying something or like their um their facts are off, like they might have the right intention, but they're not saying the right things, or if they use an example, it's not accurate. It's hard for me to listen to the rest of what you're feeling or saying to me because you're not even hitting things right. So I feel like it's an attack uh attack, and it's hard for me to let you finish.

SPEAKER_12 10:30

See, I'm quite the opposite. I'll let you walk, I'll let you dig yourself as deep. I'm getting better now. Shut your mouth.

SPEAKER_07 10:41

And see, that's a thing that very rarely people can do, which is why I'm like, well, listen, let me go ahead and break it down while you're saying what you gotta say to me. Because when I go to reply anyway, you're gonna do the same, but people don't think they do that. But I have gotten better with I'm just gonna let you finish because at the end of it, me stopping you, I might as well let you, like you said, dig the hole or wrap it around to where I get where you're coming from. So now, like, that's that's the thing about just being quiet and listening, not to react, but to receive.

SPEAKER_12 11:09

Keep that spirit for this episode. I'm trying. And let's get this thing go.

SPEAKER_07 11:13

All I can do is try day by day, like they say in all them meetings.

SPEAKER_12 11:17

Let's go, let's go.

SPEAKER_13 11:20

Yo, text me on when you like this movie, one of them.

SPEAKER_10 11:24

It's your favorite podcast, favorite podcast.

SPEAKER_12 11:28

Let's go.

SPEAKER_13 11:35

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SPEAKER_12 13:00

If you want me to stay, and I believe you. Oh, let's get it.

SPEAKER_06 13:09

Hey, hey, okay.

SPEAKER_00 13:14

Shake, let's take miss when I can check, let's think, miss, I'm not gonna check, let's think, yup, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm gonna come up and miss it, don't make it all the time, I've got it. I'm in the middle of the table, I'm gonna put it in yellow.

SPEAKER_12 14:29

You know what I'm saying? Let's go. Shout out to the queen out there. Hey, hey, let's go.

SPEAKER_04 14:39

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SPEAKER_12 15:44

Uh we're gonna turn that thing down, man. Welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome to yet another episode of the MAC podcast. I'm your host, a star for the artist. Alongside the star of the show, you know who it is, man. Big K, Big Tree Chemistries in the building.

SPEAKER_05 16:03

What's happening?

SPEAKER_12 16:04

Coming to you live in K W H A L P Arcata, 94.7 FM Community Four Radio Broadcasting from the Heart of the Queen District here in Arcata, man. Lucky. So, so blessed to have you guys here, man.

SPEAKER_07 16:19

Oh, yeah. Thank you for rocking with us.

SPEAKER_12 16:21

Brought to you by, sponsored by, fueled by, empowered by rude music entertainment. No, we're gonna get to the homie core later on. Um yeah, man, you know what's you know what I'm saying? I'm just here, man, just living life, man. Really feeling like a really feeling the type of way today, man. Feeling some type of way. Feeling some type of way. But you know, we're gonna we're gonna get to it though. Uh what you what you up to, man? What's on your mind today? Um, well, you know, I I've I've already had a I've had a long week, okay.

SPEAKER_07 16:54

The transitioning is transitioning as above, so below, okay, the the um the way this retrograde, everything happening, it's all in all my little, I don't know if you believe in like the sun, moon, and rising, but all my joints is jointing, okay? Okay. So, and I feel it. But I'm not mad at it because, you know, sometimes you gotta shed things that aren't for you anymore. True, sorry. Or and and you gotta be okay with it, you know, even if it's it hurts or it doesn't feel good, growth is uncomfortable, change is is uncomfortable, and that's good. If it's uncomfortable, that means that something's happening. True. Right? And so that's what I'm on. I'm just trying to stay focused and stay moving forward, and and honestly, that's all I can do day by day. Like, cause it's you just never know what's gonna happen. And I started this other job, so I got back to my, you know what I'm saying? Back to my my normal work, but the hours are different. And you know I'm not a morning person. Right. Okay, it's been kicking my butt. Kicking my butt getting my schedule because I'm not a morning person. And when I go to work, I'm working like 10, 12 hours, and then when I get off, I'm supposed to be tired, but then that's when my body's like, no, this is our time of time. We up. We're tired. Girl, we tired. Yeah. My brain and my body just will haven't been on the same accord. But we finally getting there, so that's that's good. I'm mad I missed northern nights this weekend, but I'm not really mad. Nah. I'm not. It's it was.

SPEAKER_12 18:17

We had the memories of Northern Nights. We got plenty of years.

SPEAKER_07 18:20

I definitely have a lot of memories. Um, but this energy, this this this year, I just felt different energy with it. It was kind of weird, like it wasn't as enthusiastic as previous years has been. I don't know. I just that's why I said this transition. Like, I wanted I didn't have FOMO, but I just say I definitely didn't have FOMO. I just knew I needed to sit my butt down. Like I never have FOMO. I'm not that person who has FOMO, believe it or not, because honey, I have a good time by myself. True. But I do love the vibes of Northern Knicks. Like I love that reset in the middle of the trees and you know, just meeting different people, and you know, just it just it's it's a vibe, you know what I'm saying? So, but I feel like I I achieved that vibe without 10,000 people in a hot sun on a dusty road. So go me. You feel me? For real though. For real.

SPEAKER_12 19:10

But shout out to everyone who did uh go to Northern Nights, man. I'm pretty sure that you guys had a good time. Uh hopefully they can.

SPEAKER_07 19:16

Rest in peace to the ones who didn't make it back home because unfortunately, with any festival, um, it's it's something's something's bound to happen when you have that much freedom and people doing that many, you know, different types of drugs. May they be psychedelics or whatever. You can always go overboard. I have heard of some people who have lost their life, some of them straight from humble, um, from out this area. So, you know, I'm not gonna say anything already. They put it up, but you know, just rest in peace to like the people who didn't make it home, but at least you went out having a ball. You feel me? If you're gonna go, you might as well while you already up there anyway. You feel me? True story, true story. But yeah, man, that's that's pretty much where I'm at. Like, you know, that's what I'm on day by day. How about yourself, sir? That was like dramatic. Very dramatic.

SPEAKER_12 20:02

Well, like you said, man, it's been a very uh these these past, I'm gonna say, since I want to say November last year to now has been some of the most mentally taxing um months in my life. I believe a brief era of just um of displacement. You know what I mean? And just like, you know, uh like you know, I'm looking at my situation now and I'm thinking about like five years ago, six years ago. I did not see myself here. Right, in this situation. In this situation, not even five years ago during COVID years and stuff like that. So I mean, now it's just like, you know, it's it's the the what now era. Like what do I do now? Because like a couple episodes ago, like, you know, I mean, we gotta put put away childish things, you know what I mean? Yeah, Peter Pan has to has to grow up. Yeah, that's right. And now I'm just like, okay, I'm letting go of a lot of things that I wanted to do. Like uh, or I wanted to be, or how I envision myself, like my dream, so to say, has been, you know what I mean, and and been caught in the crossfires. You know what I mean? Like, okay, do we pursue this, or hey, do we like, you know, grow up and just like trying to find a pivot to another thing and you know what I mean, transition to another stage? Or just like, you know, what it is, what is it do you really want? And like as I older I get and the more days that passes by, the things I'm like, oh, that's what I wanted. That's what I want, that's what I want. I look, I look at it now, it's like, do I want that? Do I want that? Do I really want that? Based on where you at now in life. Based where I'm at right now, how I'm seeing things right now. So right now, I'm in the whole but now.

SPEAKER_07 21:41

It seems like you're reshaping your your dreams and the things that you want for yourself going forward.

SPEAKER_12 21:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 21:49

Versus because your situation has changed dramatically. Dramatically. Dependent on you as well as you know growing yourself. So I feel that I think it's about finding the balance. But that's easier said than done. Because I I don't I just don't ever want no one to give up on their dreams, even if you have to defer your dream a little bit.

SPEAKER_12 22:14

Yeah, I mean that too, like you know what I'm saying? Like uh people don't have dreams. People don't have dreams, and people don't have like the fortitude to actually like go for it. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 22:25

Like for real.

SPEAKER_12 22:26

A lot of people want to uh be uh okay by being collared and um downplaying themselves and stuff like that. I mean it's just easier, you know. And it's easier too and it's just like and and and like in how I've been uh pursuing my life, right? Because I'm such like I'm gonna carve my own way, I'm gonna make my own way to get things going. I'm gonna make, you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't need to be it's easier to depend on yourself than others. Depend on myself, rely on myself and others. So it's just like, you know, now I'm in the situation where I just like again I gotta like reshape everything.

SPEAKER_06 22:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_12 22:58

And so right now, man, I'm just in a in a at a crossroads when it comes to music. Like, I don't know what I'm gonna do with that because it's just like the writing's on a wall when it comes around here, but it's just like, is that is that it? Is that the final chapter?

SPEAKER_07 23:13

Is that it? I don't know.

SPEAKER_12 23:14

And it's just like because like you know, I'm still I'm still writing.

SPEAKER_07 23:17

I'm still saying, and that's a bit of a wrong thing.

SPEAKER_12 23:19

I'm still doing the things I've been doing before I started, like, you know, doing music publicly.

SPEAKER_07 23:24

Yeah, because I understand what you're saying though, like reshaping the musical dream as far as like the levels you want to take it to.

SPEAKER_12 23:31

Yeah, and me looking at the landscape of that and doing all of that and the politics and all of that, and just like, uh I think that's a good thing about it. I just want to be a great rapper and make great music.

SPEAKER_07 23:40

And I think that's a good thing about music is even if right now all you can do is write and have everything ready to go for when you are able to get into the studio and do these things like videos or whatever, at least you already have because music you can do forever. There's no age limit. There's no age limit, there's no time limit. You can be 80 years old, especially in today's times, and blow up. You know what I'm saying? So I feel like music is something that you don't have to defer your dream on.

SPEAKER_12 24:06

Good music doesn't really know age.

SPEAKER_07 24:08

It doesn't. Like my the songs, like I said, I did before I moved here when I I chased the dream. And let me tell you something. I know a lot of people can't do it, but if you have the opportunity to chase your dream, chase it. You never know what's gonna happen. But in the case of where we at now, it's like you good. Like, you got time. Like, music's not gonna go anywhere. You still gonna be able to drop this hits like you got good music. And so that's one thing I think you probably can like not have to trip on so much. You can just make sure, because you always done this. I've always done this. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, before anyone knew you doing it publicly, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you good on that one, but it's just the other things because music makes you happy. Right. I think that going into the studio and then um finishing the track and then you know, making the video and putting it out.

SPEAKER_12 24:53

Speaking of tracks, man, what's up, what's up, what's up with your boy?

SPEAKER_07 24:56

Child life. It'd be life is okay. So I'm gonna let him in, you know what I mean? And then when he does hit me up, it's always like bad timing on his end, or it'd be weird time on my end. Because he, I, whatever, we're gonna get in there and finish the track, though. I ain't worried about that. But um, either way, it's more than one place to go. That one just felt like, you know, I kind of like the name of it. Well, right now, some transition. Let me tell you, everybody transitioning. It's some transitional things.

SPEAKER_12 25:24

Shout out to those out there, man, dealing with life. Dealing with life. Trials and tribulation, man. Because this, I tell you, man, it is nasty and it's rough. It's rough.

SPEAKER_07 25:34

It's a rough time.

SPEAKER_12 25:35

When it's all right, so while we're on music, real quick, I just got a question. Like, are albums even important anymore? Yes.

SPEAKER_07 25:42

Yes. If not, then we just dropping singles for the rest of our life. You, you, and you don't like to get into your car or sit at your house. I know you do. This is a redundant question. Um, and and let our album when it first dropped, and when you finally got time to listen to one of the artists, you know.

SPEAKER_12 25:57

But you listen, but you do it.

SPEAKER_07 25:59

People still do it.

SPEAKER_12 26:00

But people don't, I I I don't feel like people get excited about albums coming out anymore. I don't see any posts like, oh, I can't wait for such and such new album. Or I can't, like, you know what I'm saying, such and such got this new new album coming out.

SPEAKER_07 26:13

You gotta change your algorithm, baby, because um, you ain't got enough music heads on it. Because I see that. Like, that's how I be knowing certain things come in and um like I just seen a debate about how.

SPEAKER_12 26:21

Well, only got a couple hundred followers and following a couple people, so y'all need to find out.

SPEAKER_07 26:25

Well, I'm just saying though, like also you need to follow other people, like the music thing so that you can have musical things. I do that. I don't care about see people be more about that following ratio. I don't care because if I'm interested, I'm following. But anywho, um, because I just seen like a poster talking about how Pharrell needs to get back with Chad and bring back, you know what I'm saying, what they had back in the day, because his beats ain't beating that.

SPEAKER_08 26:46

No, we'll be fired.

SPEAKER_07 26:47

Right? But so, you know, I think that albums are important because without an album, you're gonna have people doing what? When they go, when you go to a show, you pay money for because you like this artist, but they ain't dropped no album. You're just gonna listen to the 10, the 10, five to 10 singles they have, and that's gonna be your show.

SPEAKER_12 27:03

But speaking of people like blowing up off a single, man, the young Miami, and spend that. She they they're talking about having her headline a show.

SPEAKER_07 27:11

One song with one song.

SPEAKER_12 27:12

That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_07 27:13

She also has verses from Y'all You Forget, she was with City Girls, whether you like them or not. She has verses she has done, but whatever. She, I see why she. She has an album. She, she, I don't know. I don't keep up with her. I'm not even gonna hold you. But NBA Youngboy, he did a whole tour. He's still touring. He got he got bigger numbers, just as like Michael Jackson. He dropped the album.

SPEAKER_12 27:32

He has a bunch of albums. Exactly. That's how he does.

SPEAKER_07 27:35

Albums matter. That's what I'm saying. I don't think we should stop with ours. I do think we need to bring back like um like the physical versions of double XL and stuff like that. You know, where people actually look. I think we need to bring back where we have real music people, music heads, people who are unbiased, randomly. Not streamers pretending to be. Like, do you remember how they used to have the four mics, three mics, two mics, and out the source, and that's how you knew it.

SPEAKER_12 27:59

And those those those meant something.

SPEAKER_07 28:00

Yeah, we're gonna be able to make it.

SPEAKER_12 28:01

Like my album got a four mic review that's out.

SPEAKER_07 28:04

That needs to be brought back. It was credible.

SPEAKER_12 28:06

Yeah, and that's what I miss I miss when hip hop and rap was quite uh credible. And they really paid attention to lyrics and really cared about rap music.

SPEAKER_07 28:18

You know, I think they do they just, you know, do you think do you think hip-hop still is the driving culture? Yeah. By all means, we you don't see nobody doing no pop stuff like, bro. We will always and forever drive the culture. We come out with the way the clothes are gonna go. We we literally are trendsetters just by being us. So yeah, hip-hop still is a form of storytelling. Whether it's mumble rap, whether it's bang bang, shoot 'em up, that's still these people's story. And these people out here live for it. Like young Miami is literally talking about boosting and spending and scamming. And look at her, she's running this scene. So yeah, we still definitely are the ones to push the culture forward. The problem is we gotta stop trying to follow up with everybody else, what they're doing. I think some things we need to keep authenticated.

SPEAKER_12 29:03

We need to like get out of the industrialized version of this. Exactly. And I think that's that's that's what I think is. We need to go back grassroots with it, because it matters. Grassroots underground because you know how rap has been industrialized. That's why, you know what I mean, like people feel the way they feel about rap music these days.

SPEAKER_07 29:20

Yeah, you think I'm playing. If rappers were if if a bunch of rappers, big rappers right now, and uh and us included, because I always say it, but I'm just gonna drop it out. I say to myself, but I'm gonna say it. If all of us go back to even putting our music back on CDs, you will see the whole car industry start changing and bringing back CD players because people are copying CDs without ways to play them in their car. You feel me? Yeah. But we always will drive the culture. When we got away from CDs and did USBs, what happened? The car culture changed. They took the CD player out.

SPEAKER_12 29:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 29:50

We bring it back, it will happen. Man, I love the CD era. I don't I don't think we ever should have lost. That's why I say shout out to Trap. Biggie, I will always show love to him, South Carolina building. Because he's doing that. He dropped um a bunch of CDs. Like, and he knows people don't got CD players, but it's about bringing it back. You know what I mean? If you want to hear it bad enough, you're gonna find a CD player, dog.

SPEAKER_12 30:10

Who do you think right now got the most pressure to shift things around right now? Who do you think can do it? And who do you think uh has the pressure to do it?

SPEAKER_07 30:22

I think who can do it, um, I I really I like what's happening with T.I.'s sons, um, King and DeMante. I like what's happening with them. You got King who is giving that street, but still, you know, him type that he likes his daddy's son for real. And then you got DeMonte who's actually coming with the real lyrics, and I mean my man lighting candles, he, you know what I mean? And even his other third son, I can't remember his name right now, Buddy Red. I got it. Um, he's doing um like emo rock, and you know, I think they are the ones who can do it because they hit all three genres of like what we do with music, hip-hop. Who has the most pressure? You know, I'm trying, I I don't know. Like, honestly, like I wanna say, I feel like J. Cole should have pressure on him, but he's not that he's not that I think it's curtains for him. You know what I mean? Like, well, he's gonna stay in the lane he has.

SPEAKER_12 31:23

He's always gonna be great and phenomenal. Like, don't you think?

SPEAKER_07 31:25

He's gonna stay in his lane.

SPEAKER_12 31:26

Don't get me wrong, he's still gonna be Justin.

SPEAKER_07 31:28

I think future, I think future probably probably feels some some pressure to like do something. But see that, but see, people don't think future someone that can push the the influence. I mean, future is influential.

SPEAKER_12 31:40

I feel like future is super influential.

SPEAKER_07 31:42

Yeah, who do you think has the most pressure? Or who can do it? Or or J I D. I think Jid, he could do it too.

SPEAKER_12 31:48

I think Jid could do it.

SPEAKER_07 31:50

J can do it.

SPEAKER_12 31:51

But we want to do like a well-recognized brand, branded rapper, brand name rapper, Hove.

SPEAKER_07 32:00

I've thought about Hove, but the pressure on him.

SPEAKER_12 32:03

I've been listening to Hove a lot lately. I've been on my Jay-Z tip, y'all.

SPEAKER_07 32:06

I don't think Hove has the Hell Pause, right. I don't think Hove has the pressure on him, though. Because I wasn't saying that.

SPEAKER_12 32:14

I mean, but based on what he represents, I think he does.

SPEAKER_07 32:17

He what he won't miss or the thing, we won't, we won't put him on the scale that we need. So if that's the case, then he needs like the next things that he dropped, his next album, we don't need to be like Which is dropping. Which is oh I know. Anytime Hulk cut his hair, y'all don't know. Yeah, it's dropping. By now, if y'all don't know, Hulk.

SPEAKER_12 32:33

We got Caesar fade over.

SPEAKER_07 32:35

He said it the minute I seen Pro Hulk. The minute he took out them dreaded, I knew an album was on the way. Once he took them damn uh braids and he cut them, I knew officially. And he went back to New York with it. I knew officially an album. So what I'm saying is though, right? The only way that he would feel any pressure is if we put pressure on him because he has the top 444.

SPEAKER_12 32:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 32:56

You know what I'm saying? He we have to put that pressure on the five.

SPEAKER_12 32:59

I mean, which shouldn't be hard to do it because a lot of people didn't really relate to 444. Which is crazy. Which is crazy because I feel like 444 was a grown man's thing.

SPEAKER_06 33:07

It was.

SPEAKER_12 33:08

So, like, I really personally appreciated 444. I loved it. I loved it. I also played today as it stands, but a lot of people are did not really wasn't jamming with that. So, to a lot of people's eyes, topping 444 won't be that hard. But to me, it will be hard.

SPEAKER_07 33:25

It will be, and that's what, well, that's the ones who actually know. But ones who didn't really rock with it, I promise you, if you listen to their music, like they literally listen to it a regular, you wouldn't take them serious anyway, as a music head. And you know what I mean by a music head. You can love music and not be a music head. It's like you love sneakers, but you're not a sneaker head for those who don't know the difference, okay? So I feel like topping 444 because what like you said, it's a grown man album. So what is he going to hit on now that he hasn't already told us?

SPEAKER_12 33:58

Yeah, but allegations that was thrown against him.

SPEAKER_07 34:01

I mean, but technically he addressed that.

SPEAKER_12 34:03

Like more kids and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_07 34:06

But none of it's real. Like, I mean, the only new kids he got is that we acknowledge is the ones with Beyoncé.

SPEAKER_12 34:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 34:11

I mean, they're doing great, they're thriving.

SPEAKER_12 34:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 34:13

So that's what I'm saying. I I I'm hoping. Like, honestly, I would love to put the pressure on hoe. Like, he could be the one to do it.

SPEAKER_12 34:19

To bring it back to like, not bring it back, but like, you know, bring a re-real.

SPEAKER_07 34:22

Yeah, like a re-breathe new air in. Bring, like, we need that fresh air with lyricism and the beats.

SPEAKER_12 34:28

And do you fools just listen to music or you just skim through it? You that he goes. What song that came from?

SPEAKER_07 34:34

You know, get away out the top of my head. No renegade. You literally just was listening to Renegade probably the other day, boy. Okay, so let's not do that. You had a refresher course yesterday. Um, but but if I hear the song, I bet you I can rap it.

SPEAKER_12 34:48

Yeah, I got another one for you. I got another one for you. Um, what he say. How many chicks wanna? Wait, hold on, hold on. What he say? Oh, I got it. I'm waiting. I got it. Sometimes you need your ego. Gotta remind these fools who they effing with. We got effing too.

SPEAKER_07 35:12

Oh man, I know that one. We got effing too. Even though I don't remember right now, bro. Top of my head. I'm not saying do it.

SPEAKER_12 35:19

With uh him and Damian Marley.

SPEAKER_07 35:21

I ain't saying you do it. I gotta go back and re-listen to a bunch where we can get you.

SPEAKER_12 35:25

No, no, no. But listen to some hoe music, man. I'm gonna come back to you. I love hoe.

SPEAKER_07 35:30

I ain't listening to hoe. I've been listening to other stuff, but I ain't listening to no hoe lately. Because I know he got an album coming, so I am about to get back into it.

SPEAKER_12 35:37

Allow me to reintroduce myself. My name is I about to say. Come on, you know that one.

SPEAKER_07 35:42

Oh man, come on, man. H to the iso. Oh my god. No, that's not the song. I was going, I was gonna H to the O B. I used to rock, you know what I'm saying? I know the words. Man, I don't remember off the top of my head, bro. You don't know public service in that too. You literally just listen to all these joints and think you're gonna throw them at me like you write, bro. Like I promise you, if you if I asked you this last week without you listening to them, you be doing the same. So I don't care. I love Hoba. I listen to Hoba. I know the rest of that. With the family field, that's family feud. Okay. But this is that's what I was about to ask you. I'm glad you brought that up. Do you think for this album he'll bring Kanye on?

SPEAKER_12 36:18

No.

SPEAKER_07 36:18

I would it'd be nice if he didn't.

SPEAKER_12 36:20

It would be great. Like, no, even for for the show that he was doing in the show. Oh, I knew that wasn't happening. Like over in uh that uh when he was doing Watch the Throne tracks, that would be a good one. Because Kanye was like, I feel like, yeah, he just burned that bridge. He did. He's gonna do too much. Because he won't shut up. He just won't, you know what I mean? That bipolar was bipolar in it. So, you know. Right.

SPEAKER_07 36:42

Um What about Dame Dash hating? Dame said, I don't understand. And you know what's crazy?

SPEAKER_12 36:48

Uh Dame Dash always hating for no.

SPEAKER_07 36:50

Who was I talking to about contracts? Somehow I I can't remember who it was right now. We're talking about contracts and how some of these artists like be under contracts forever. And I was like, well, you, you know, it made me think because Dame Dash, when he was hating per usual, um, he's like, I don't even understand why he had Beyonce um undoing his hair in the stands. And then he was like, he's saying why he ain't do a 10-year, why he ain't do a 15-year-old, why he ain't do a 20-year? Why he do a 30-year anniversary? That don't even make sense, Pete. And I'm like, maybe, just maybe, because the dude was like, uh, who I can't remember who I was talking to right now. I suck, I'm sorry. But um, they was like, maybe because he was under contract to do a 30-year anniversary. And I'm like, duh, you know what I'm saying? That makes sense. But the reason why, Dame man, because Dame ain't get to eat off none of that. And he was a part of all of it. That's gotta be a bad feeling, bruh. To suck. At this point, it's gotta suck to suck.

SPEAKER_12 37:46

I mean, yeah, we already talked about uh ad nauseum about Dame Dash, but it's just like it's just it's just one, it's just like, you know.

SPEAKER_07 37:54

But what if his feelings are hurt because he never gets some knowledge anyway? Maybe that's why he's gonna be.

SPEAKER_12 37:59

He did that to himself. I know, but over the years and his behavior and how he conducted business and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_07 38:04

I want my boy to win, come back out with him, but he's such a hater, dawg.

SPEAKER_12 38:09

Anyhow. Hate danger. Shout out to all the haters out there, man.

SPEAKER_07 38:13

Y'all can hate, y'all need to hate over they. That's why you can't even get inside the club. You can't even.

SPEAKER_12 38:19

I wish you guys find something better to hate on, like, you know, the state of the world right now.

SPEAKER_07 38:23

Okay, let's talk about it.

SPEAKER_12 38:24

You feel me?

SPEAKER_07 38:25

Hate on something that makes sense.

SPEAKER_12 38:26

Hate on something that really makes sense.

SPEAKER_07 38:28

But no, they want to be hateful.

SPEAKER_12 38:29

Yeah. Um anything else that's been popping on your mind music-wise?

SPEAKER_07 38:35

Musically, no, not really. I mean, I'm just here for the good vibes, good times. I love it. You know, I'm I'm glad that music is still alive and hip hop will never die.

SPEAKER_12 38:44

True story.

SPEAKER_07 38:45

Sorry.

SPEAKER_12 38:45

True story. Um, do-do-do. Okay.

SPEAKER_07 38:52

You don't want to have some stuff to talk about. What you doing?

SPEAKER_12 38:54

I just got one little topic.

SPEAKER_07 38:56

Well, listen, I got one too that's a little controversial.

SPEAKER_12 38:58

I just want to hear your mine's pretty controversial, and I'm a slow walk, this dog if you got if you don't mind.

SPEAKER_07 39:05

You don't mind me because we're to do that.

SPEAKER_12 39:06

This this this this subject, right? And I mean was inspired by the group chat. Shout out to the Safe Space, right? And the homie Herald, right? From the uh delusional Debbie story. So after he continuously still doing some weird stuff on the group chat, but like that's neither here or there. One he pointed out something. Um in the group chat, you know what I mean? We showed, like, you know, women that's on Instagram, they're looking good and stuff like that, or whatever the case may be, right? Every time all the other homies share a pretty white lady in the group chat, I just smooth, just scroll past it.

SPEAKER_07 39:44

Why? You act like you don't like white women. Okay. You got a white woman in your life. Like, what's going on with you?

SPEAKER_12 39:48

Okay, now this is what this is. This is a conversation. This is the conversation that like the was the big thing. Like, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_07 39:57

Like, okay You like every other post over besides every time they put a black woman up, you like it, but a white woman don't.

SPEAKER_12 40:02

Mexican lady, I like it.

SPEAKER_07 40:03

White woman, no. When you got a white baby, okay.

SPEAKER_12 40:06

Okay, she's half. Come on.

SPEAKER_07 40:08

Okay, but she looks white.

SPEAKER_12 40:09

Okay, but she's half. Come on, let's let's let's not disrespect. Let's not have to have a whole lot of white. You never been, okay, you're right.

SPEAKER_07 40:13

I'm not trying to disrespect she's white passing, but you also have been with white women, right?

SPEAKER_12 40:16

Yes. So you like white women? Previously.

SPEAKER_07 40:20

Okay, so you no longer like white women.

SPEAKER_12 40:22

Okay, now let me clean this up.

SPEAKER_07 40:23

Because that's what I'm saying. I'm not trying to disrespect either. If she looks to this girl, you know you're my girl. I'm just talking about because of, you know, for topic. Yes. So because I fucked with her, you know, I'm at mess with her, that's my dog.

SPEAKER_12 40:33

Yeah, so my whole thing is, right? It's just like, right, bro, I just like you know, I'm cool. I'm chilling right now. Like, why why are we having this coon conversation to me?

SPEAKER_07 40:42

So then he pointed out that you never like it though in the group?

SPEAKER_12 40:45

She pointed out in the group chat.

SPEAKER_06 40:47

Yeah, that's different though. Like that's what I'm saying. He could have been like To the side. To the side, like, bro. To the side, like, bro, bro. What's good? Yeah, okay. Not in the group chat, it's for everybody. Who cares?

SPEAKER_12 40:56

Group chat, and I'm just like, yeah, it's for everybody, but like don't don't mind me, like you're getting a react or someone else getting reaction.

SPEAKER_07 41:01

Somebody else like it, why you worrying about my reaction?

SPEAKER_12 41:05

So that's why I'm like, okay, you guys, you guys were tripping because like he was referring to the whole delusional Debbie thing, and it's like, oh, just because ever since that, you know what I mean? Not for nothing. That probably turned you off the way. That turned me off completely for sure.

SPEAKER_07 41:18

Okay, because okay, there we go. Because I needed some clarification. Like, I'm not trying to like hate or throw no shade, bro. Like, I've seen you with women who were white. You kicked it with women who are white. So I'm just saying, you can love who you can be across the board.

SPEAKER_12 41:32

That's what I'm saying. But like, you know, and that that energy all the time.

SPEAKER_07 41:37

Okay, so that turns you all the way off.

SPEAKER_12 41:38

All the all the way off, right? And I'm just like, yo, bro, just like for me, man, it's just like to this group, and not really like, you know, not to defecate on this group and what they do.

SPEAKER_06 41:48

Good word.

SPEAKER_12 41:50

But like, you know what I mean? It's like the energy that y'all attach to white women and stuff like that isn't the energy that I attach to white women.

SPEAKER_07 41:59

Have you ever attached it? Because here's the conversation. Here's their energy.

SPEAKER_12 42:02

Their energy to me leans towards fetishizing. Why do you feel that? Because of how they are conversations and how they talk about white women.

SPEAKER_07 42:15

But they don't when they post the other women, they don't talk about them in the same manner. Not in the same manner, not in the same line.

SPEAKER_12 42:20

Yeah, not in the same manner, in the same light. And I'm like, yo, you guys are going goo goo gaga over colonizer coochie, and that's great.

SPEAKER_07 42:27

My boy called it pilgrim coochie.

SPEAKER_12 42:28

Y'all are y'all are fine with that. I'm not goo goo and gaga over it. To me, I feel like interracial dating was just an is an it's an optional thing. To some people, it's a preference thing. So it's just like, you know what I mean? There's a difference between optional and the preference. Am I right?

SPEAKER_07 42:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_12 42:47

Okay.

SPEAKER_07 42:48

So I guess, I mean, I feel like option and preference. I mean, well, I guess. No, it's preferred no, you're right.

SPEAKER_12 42:53

I mean, what I prefer and what is the option and what are my options type. Yeah, you know what I mean? It's just like, you know, like, yeah, my preference is one way, but like if something else comes across the table or comes across the board. Oh, not not a better option, but just another. Not better, but another. Okay. Okay, I'm gonna check it out and see what's going on. Right. Right. So it's just like, so I just want like people to like then that conversation kind of like encouraged me to like really do some research on the matter and stuff like that, and the historical context of the nuances of it. And I'm gonna make sure that you're gonna be like, you know, stepping all over my shoes when I'm trying to walk this dog. You got me? Okay. So what I'm saying is preferences is like, yo, I'm generally attracted to X, right?

SPEAKER_07 43:39

I just pulled it up purpose versus option.

SPEAKER_12 43:40

So yeah, but fetishization is like I'm attracted to X just solely because of what their race symbolizes.

SPEAKER_07 43:47

Yes. So it's like um, like the black man talking to the white woman when back in the day, because it's like a big thing amongst our culture, with black women and historical context. You get killed for talking to it. So now because you won't. Get killed, that's why you're doing it. Okay. That's a fetus.

SPEAKER_12 44:02

So so bam. So, like, you know what I mean? And I feel like, you know, people in my generation and younger really don't really know about the historical context. And just like you said, back in the slavery in the Jim Crow era, you know what I mean? It was frowned upon and it could have been fatal for sure.

SPEAKER_07 44:15

It was definitely fatal.

SPEAKER_12 44:16

It was definitely fatal, man. Like, you know what I mean? So it just hung from trees. Exactly. So it just like, you know, um, but it doesn't mean like every black man who's out there dating white women is acting out, you know what I mean, on that um cultural symbolism. But I'm just saying, like, yeah, like that plays a part to it. And then it's just like, okay, then let's talk about the um status it's associated with, right? Because, you know, for generations, America, you know, I mean, they equated whiteness with beauty, wealth, education, social acceptance, proximity to power, right? And I feel like that last part, the proximity to power, is why a lot of people, in my mind, you know what I mean. I'm not trying, I'm not here to doctor Umar and nobody out. This conversation is really just to raise self-awareness.

SPEAKER_07 45:03

Okay, colonized. What do you say? You call them colonizers from the jump, don't we?

SPEAKER_12 45:07

I mean, it's I'm not lying, you know what I mean? It's not a good idea. I call it pilgrims. They're descendants of colony.

SPEAKER_07 45:13

But it's still.

SPEAKER_12 45:14

What do you want me to do?

SPEAKER_07 45:15

But go ahead.

SPEAKER_12 45:16

Um, so it's just like, you know, but like, you know, this is not a conspiracy because I feel like, you know, this is how institutions like advertising, Hollywood, and the law like largely operated based on like when society repeatedly signals that one group represents success, some people begin to associate romantic success with access to that group. You know what I mean? And it's like, I feel like psychologists calls it um internalized social hierarchy or status signaling. You know what I mean? So it's like it's like similar to luxury branding, you know what I mean? Like, people don't always desire the object itself, but they desire what the object represents.

SPEAKER_07 45:51

Well, that's fake. And and yeah, I guess that is a fetalization. Like, you can't fall in love with you know fall in love with the idea of what you're doing.

SPEAKER_12 45:58

They be talking all white girl comes with this, that, and the other. Like you can get credit fixed, you can get your da da da, you can you can use this said white lady to your advantage to advance in this society. And that's why I'm like, see, that's well, that's crazy work. Step one.

SPEAKER_07 46:15

Because you can be with any type of woman, any color woman and get that.

SPEAKER_06 46:18

I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 46:19

Nah, that's not the same. So you can't get with a black woman and get your credit fixed. You can't get with an Indian woman or a Mexican. You can't. You sound crazy. It's not just a white woman. Not you, but in general, this is that comment is crazy. Yeah, but like the white woman, only white women, white women got bad credit.

SPEAKER_12 46:34

Of course they do. But I'm just saying, but the generalization of things. We're talking weird, you know what I mean? You can't expect this is general conversation.

SPEAKER_07 46:42

You also represent that side of the generalization for men. Do you believe that?

SPEAKER_12 46:47

I don't believe that. I never believed that for a second. I know the whites are poor. Okay. I know that's a lot of poor white side.

SPEAKER_07 46:54

It's depending on the type of person they are, how they handle their fire. Exactly, exactly.

SPEAKER_12 46:57

Okay, so I'm just saying like this. Don't personalize this group.

SPEAKER_07 47:00

I can personalize it, but you also are in this group chat.

SPEAKER_12 47:02

So I can I'm in this group chat, but I'm in this group chat kind of like.

SPEAKER_07 47:09

So you can speak for what you have seen on behalf of these males that, you know? In this group chat.

SPEAKER_12 47:15

Oh, right. So it's just like, you know what I mean? So I was like, all right, so I'm breaking down the game to them. It's like, you know what I mean? Like, we learn attraction, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_07 47:22

Because they called you out of the group chat, now you decided to start.

SPEAKER_12 47:25

I'm just like, you know what I mean? I gotta educate y'all, man. Just like, you know, and I'm like, yo, man, it's just like attraction isn't entirely biological. I mean, like, you know, it plays a part, but it's not entirely because, you know, the media teaches us who is desirable, who is romantic, who is uh successful. And like for years, you know what I mean, we got these images on the screen portraying these white women as a love interest, the princess, the wife, the ideal beauty, and that repeated exposure mattered to the social conditioning of these dudes' brains. I'm trying to like convey.

SPEAKER_07 47:54

I want to know what they say back to that because honey, you said a whole lot, but um, and I feel it, but I want to know what they say. And I got one question. Um, is everyone in there a personal color?

SPEAKER_12 48:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 48:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_12 48:04

Every single one.

SPEAKER_07 48:05

I just wanted to check because every single one there.

SPEAKER_12 48:07

And I'm like, you know what I mean? But they but they over here be like, okay, you may have a point there, but you mean they they push it back just to push back.

SPEAKER_07 48:16

They're like they're they're But they don't think it's fancy uh fetish.

SPEAKER_12 48:19

They don't think it just yet. I haven't cooked their goose just yet, right? And then I then I went into the whole, like, okay, then let's talk about your psychology on the matter, and let's talk about the validation aspect of it. You know what I mean? Like, some people like some people or like you know, some psychologists argue that certain people dating someone from a socially dominant group can't feel validating. Not because they necessarily love that person, it's just because subconsciously it communicates, I've made it. Type issues. I mean, that's where we got the whole, like, you know, the rappers and the athletes and celebrities achieving a certain status and financial back, and then they go get a what?

SPEAKER_07 48:56

A white woman, but then also how many times does this happen? Because that does happen. Like, don't get it twisted. Um, it's it's it's not all of them, but it that it's more talked about the ones who who do. Um but nine times out of ten, like honestly, I'll say eight because there's some good white women out there who hold their men down and they're not fetising. But eight times out of ten, that same white woman that they decided to feticise over and put as their person to put them in that position of power is the same one that usually is the reason why they fall off the scene or have a crazy scandal.

SPEAKER_12 49:24

That's what I'm saying. But like, in that part is. So um, but like I just want to like, you know, let it clear, like, you know what I mean? It's important to me not to reduce interracial relations and you know coupling to psychology because for the most part, many people just simply fall in love. You know what I mean? Like, that's why I'm like you love who you love.

SPEAKER_06 49:45

I do have a question for you though.

SPEAKER_07 49:47

So when you were dating white women and interested in white women, was it preference or was it option?

SPEAKER_06 49:53

It was optional. Because of where you're at?

SPEAKER_07 49:55

Because where I'm at. Okay. If you were surrounded by more women of color and I just want to answer that.

SPEAKER_12 50:01

Yeah, yeah. That's a real question. Like, you know, in this, um, and that's what I'm saying, like, you know, like research generally finds the proximity where you live, where you work, and who you socialize is one of the strongest predicate uh predicators of interracial relationships today. You know what I mean? So it's just like so there's a danger to assuming that every black man is dating a white woman to chasing status and fetishizing. It it that itself becomes its own stereotype. And when it becomes fetishization, here's here's here's the the buzzwords, and here's where I've been like, you know, here's the buzz phrases. Not buzzwords, okay.

SPEAKER_07 50:34

Buzzwords and buzz phrases. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah, you need buzzwords.

SPEAKER_12 50:39

But I'm with it. This is to the group, too. Like, this is like I've I've I've highlighted what they've been saying too. Um to the the especially referring back to like, you know, some of the old group chats I've been in back in the day, you know what I mean, with Manly Brothers when we say, oh, I've always wanted a white girl, you know what I'm saying, man. Like, you know what I'm saying? But you know, white girls being me, they they more softer, more submissive, you know what I'm saying. All these black women got attitudes or something like that.

SPEAKER_07 51:03

If I ain't had a fight all my life.

SPEAKER_12 51:06

But it's just like, you know what I mean? But like, that's no longer attraction. I'll be telling the brother, like, yo, bro, that's not an attraction, yeah. You're stereotyping, man. It's just like yeah, so it's just like, yo, man, um, I asked him, I asked him this question, man. If someone said that they don't date black women because they're too loud, but they only date white women because they're softer, is that a preface or is that racial programming? Are you being racially programmed?

SPEAKER_07 51:28

No, that's just them being weak. Okay, let me tell you what. This ain't got nothing to do with none of that for real, for real. Okay. If you decide that the reason why you want to date this woman that is white, because she lets you do whatever you want and bow down to you submissively over a woman who might be loud, but she done been through some things, and if you take the time to actually love her correctly, you can get all them things. Because women, period, would uh would would love to be submissive to the person they're with, especially heterosexual women. I know, because I hang with them, I hear them all the time. But how often do they get a man who really can lead them and make them feel safe and secure? In today's age, the same ones talking that mess be the same ones laid up playing the game all day with nothing to show. Can't even take the trash out without you asking them. You feel me? So, no, they're just weak.

SPEAKER_12 52:13

Okay, they're just weak. Okay, so and I ask them too, like, yo, man, are y'all attracted to them or y'all just attracted to what society taught y'all they represent? Crickets.

SPEAKER_07 52:23

Well, yeah, because they they don't understand that question.

SPEAKER_12 52:25

They don't really understand that, man. It's like, yo, and I be asking them, yo, why? Like, do you actually like Do you actually examine why do you like these white, like the reasons why?

SPEAKER_07 52:36

And you think they their preference is leaning more towards, even though they posted with saying based on the things they say leads more towards it leans more to a fetish.

SPEAKER_12 52:45

For sure. For sure. And then I thought about the flip side of this conversation. The white women fetishizing black men because it could be it could be a response scene. Like, you know, I mean, a black man's like, oh, this white woman's just with me because she's fetishizing me.

SPEAKER_07 53:01

I mean, yeah, you know, back in the day where they always said um uh white women said that uh, you know, they went toward black men because y'all's packages were more exactly.

SPEAKER_12 53:10

So so it's just like, you know, and it was it was the whole thing. The exotic other um trope. You know what I mean? Like one of the oldest forms of racial uh fetishizing is called othering. You know what I mean? Like throughout colonial history, Europeans often viewed non-white people as exotic, mysterious, wild, more natural, less constrained by civilization. So black men in particular became subjects of myths that painted them as physically powerful, emotionally uninhibited, and sexually aggressive. These stereotypes were never neutral, they were just to justify the fear, segregation, and violence. Ironically, today, those same stereotypes is that was once used to demonize black men later became sexualized and popular in some culture. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_07 53:55

I mean, yeah, and that's because it's like Exactly.

SPEAKER_12 53:57

So now so so now we're being hypersexualized, yo. And it's just like it has male and female, black and male and black. Okay, I got you. I got you. That's part three.

SPEAKER_07 54:07

Let me just say, Okay, keep reading your keep reading your notes. Go on, Bible. Go on here. I'm sorry. I'll just let you get to your notes and then I'll add my um my uh feelings that's you know, unnoted, my unnoted feelings. Feelings, gotcha. Okay, gotcha, gotcha.

SPEAKER_12 54:20

So just like again, like hype uh the uh hypersexualization of black men because you know again, like, you know, we was portrayed a certain way, but like they're not compliments at all. Like, you know what I mean? Like even today, like these are just fragments of stereotype that still show up in media and dating culture because I ask some white women, like, yo, why you like white like dating black men? Oh, black men are better in bed, black guys are more masculine, they're more like I just feel better connected because they're more naturally dominant. Even though they try to frame it to a depositive manner, it still comes across a certain way.

SPEAKER_07 54:51

So I'm like, yo, what if that's how they really feel it?

SPEAKER_12 54:53

So yeah, but I'm like, yeah, that's what I'm like, no, that's the question I pose. Like, can a compliment still be racist if it assumes every member of that race shares the same trait? Because not every black man's packing. I mean, they they find out.

SPEAKER_07 55:07

You think that they don't find out?

SPEAKER_12 55:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 55:10

And so that's why they go to the other things where they say, well, what's the other thing besides packaging? You were more masculine, you were more what? What is it?

SPEAKER_12 55:17

Uh dominant.

SPEAKER_07 55:18

Dominant, okay, so stuff like that, you know.

SPEAKER_12 55:20

I don't I don't And it's just like, and and but like on the on white women's side, it's been like more linked on rebellion too. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_07 55:27

It's like yeah, because they were told that they should not talk to y'all. Like y'all are animals, you are going to rob them. And that's where it goes to how people were brought up, black or white, male or female. Depending on how you grew up in your household, it will dictate how you date in life, how you the things you search out. Yeah. If I'm told I I gotta stay away from this because they're terrible, and then the first person I meet that is literally I hear white w women and men who met black people finally, after hearing all this terrible racist stuff, and of course, and of course, school don't help it, you know what I mean? They finally meet somebody who's black or a different color and have the best time of their life. Actually, feel what family looks like. Go to church and understand why people go to church even if they don't believe in religion, just the feel you get from that community. So, you know what I'm saying? Like, that doesn't make it. That's not a fetus. That's just like you said, it's rebellion turned into love.

SPEAKER_12 56:18

Yeah, and but like it that's that's one way to go about it, but then another thing to go about it, it's like they just want the experience. Okay, but think about it.

SPEAKER_07 56:26

How many times have you met a white woman though? Like, all white people are bad, all white women are bad, right? You ain't had no good experiences with white women? Where you like, you know, before, like you gotta. I mean, that is an honest question. Like, I know you're gonna be. This is your life, yes, I do. What would you lie for? What I'm saying is, like, literally, when you first interacted with white women, like at first. At first? Because you got taught early, I'm sure that we stick to our own kind. My great-grandmom was literally part of slavery, so she was definitely against white folk coming into the household, us doing too much mingling unless we got to. It is what it is. I know better now, you know what I mean? But she came from a time frame of that. I like to feel like you probably grew up around that a little bit too. Heard it growing up. You got family in Texas, so it's a thing. Um, when you first experienced white women, did it match up to what you were taught? Because you messed with them more than once, so it clearly you had to have some type of experience that must have been good or dope or no. If not, then tell me that.

SPEAKER_12 57:22

No.

SPEAKER_07 57:23

Never. Nah. So you think they all the same?

SPEAKER_12 57:26

From my experience.

SPEAKER_07 57:27

I'm saying from your experience, no, this is your experience. This is not my opinion, my experience. I'm talking about yours.

SPEAKER_12 57:35

Okay. It haven't resulted in good results.

SPEAKER_07 57:38

And you never felt nothing good around him, never built no friendships, or like even if it came off and started one-way. Friendship. You ain't go and do like no dope trips with them, or have like, you know what I'm saying? I'm serious though, like.

SPEAKER_12 57:50

Like, we had like moments for sure, but it's just like the overall experience.

SPEAKER_07 57:54

So the bad outweighed the good though with it. So like the the moments don't even matter.

SPEAKER_12 57:58

The moments matter, but I'm just saying. But compared to the experience. The cons outweighed the pros each and every time.

SPEAKER_06 58:06

But the moments don't matter then.

SPEAKER_07 58:08

Well, they can't because you don't you don't experience your experience.

SPEAKER_12 58:11

The moments are the moments you you have to take note of the moment for sure. But I'm just saying, like, when you look at it from start to end, especially how it ended. Okay, well then, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 58:20

You never had good experiences with white women.

SPEAKER_12 58:22

Overall, it's been it's been either extremely mid or something dumb happened. Mm-hmm. And it just ended up being extreme disappointment.

SPEAKER_07 58:32

Okay. Okay. From my experience. I guess your experience. Oh, I'm with it. I mean, you know, I can't really tell you on the sexual side experiences of white women, because you know, baby, don't play that. My great grandma, she put it in, means there. It's up to stop. But I do know some dope white folks. Me too. Like, don't get me wrong, me too. But it was for the sexual side of it. I've had great experience. They show me things I've never seen as far as like taking me to Strawberry Rock when I went up there for the first time. It was a white woman. I had to trust my life with her. We went through three different goddamn seasons. Let me tell you something. End up was, and it was start at daytime, ended up at night. But listen, she took me there and brought me back. It was an amazing experience. So that's what I mean. Like, but when it comes to romantically, so friendship-wise, you cool with them.

SPEAKER_12 59:16

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_07 59:17

Romantically, that's out. Because I do feel like before we go too far, we have to like make sure. Me personally, yeah, for sure. Yeah, I'm talking about you personally. Like, like romantically, that's out. Yeah. But friendship.

SPEAKER_12 59:29

Like at this juncture, I'm considering it. I'm like, you know what I mean? Because I'm not really like trying to, you know, be in the dating world at all. I mean, but yeah, but like, you know, when it like say when once I do re-enter that that realm, it's like, yeah, I might have to, like, you know.

SPEAKER_07 59:41

Romantically, white women are out. Yeah. I might have to. You're gonna be friends with them, they cool, cool, buddies, and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_12 59:47

But like, yeah, for the most part. Because it's just again, I've been out here in Humboldt County for damn near 15 years. Right. And then so your options are predominantly uh, yeah, so uh so based on my experiences here and stuff like that, it's like, yeah, nah, it's just it hasn't, I haven't found one that like, yo, this this this works out. This works. Right, and I just feel like this feels good. Like this can work.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:09

See where you would come from with that.

SPEAKER_12 1:00:10

Like, I especially white girl almost put me in jail for like 10 years. And I ain't even do anything. And see, there you go. And that right there is You see what I'm saying? So just like even after that, I still try. I still, you know, made things optional. I hung in there. I hung in there for years and years and years and years and years on end. And this is not just like me like trying something once. Yeah. You just need like, oh nah, never again. Well, I know that.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:38

This is like, you know, like this is giving like a fair opportunity to, you know, it's and I think that that wraps around to why it's important that, especially amongst men in your group chat, starting there, um, that that while they they they post everything, let's not go too far with just the white woman and fetishizing that when you ain't feticizing everything else across the board. If you're gonna feticise them, so you might as well do it across the board with women, right? Across the board. Because they all got titties and that, you know what I mean? Yeah. So the only thing that's different is the color.

SPEAKER_12 1:01:08

It's the color of the skin, man. And the personality, baby. Exactly. So just because, like, you know, like you see, like, I ain't really rocking one, I'm like, yeah, you know what I mean? Because it's like again, like, cool, like, I've seen this before. Time and time and time and time and time and time again. How many pogs do I need to see?

SPEAKER_06 1:01:27

No, I get it.

SPEAKER_12 1:01:28

You know what I mean? Like, I I get it. So, like, you know what I mean? It's just like, but the the history and the hysteronics is like I try to explain to them, and they just like they're densing ahead. So I'm like, yo, if these are men around my age that don't get it, I really am concerned about the young folks out there.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:43

It's because they don't want to think that hard. They don't want to think the problem.

SPEAKER_12 1:01:46

Like, and I'm really, again, this whole purpose of this conversation is to raise some self-awareness. Just like, I'm not, again, I'm not on my Dr. Umar soapbox to say, don't be dating these no bunnies out here. Like, no, no, no. Just ask yourself at the end of the day, look why why do I like her? And if you have adequate, good, solid reasons why that has nothing to do with the status they come with or the stereotypes they come with or anything like that. If you don't like, you know, saying look at them in a sexual way and that that's all the, you know, I mean the con the color contrast of the skin that gets you going, whatever the case may be. I mean, bruh, like if you don't have like a real tangible.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:26

Like, do you like her or do you like what comes with?

SPEAKER_12 1:02:28

Yeah, do you like her? Do you like the white skin?

SPEAKER_07 1:02:30

Do you like what comes with her?

SPEAKER_06 1:02:32

Yeah, you know what I'm saying. You feel what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_12 1:02:33

Or do you like what comes with her? And then vice versa. Do you like him or do you like what he thinks comes with it? The the height, the athletic prowess, the sexual prowess. You know what I mean? Like, ask yourself, why do I really like these black men? And it's and it's not just black men, white, uh, white women or white, but it's also white men out here dating uh women of like, you know, uh for the most part women of color. And I am not for nothing. I think that's based solely on uh feticism.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:00

I don't think solely, but I think the majority of the city.

SPEAKER_12 1:03:02

It's 95, 90, 95%.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:05

80, 75, 80. 80, 90 to be. I think they all started out kind of that way, but that's just because of what they were raised to be taught. Like it's not. Because a little boy, a little boy, they can't have something, they wanted more.

SPEAKER_12 1:03:18

And that held up. And this is where my research came to fruition at the end of totality, because I'm like, yo, we're we talking, we haven't this conversation among us, we're not really talking about the real fetishizers out there. So it's just like, yo, man, um But you know, you're gonna um I guess you gotta make sure you hold on to that then.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:34

Like, cause you have a son and you have a daughter, they both, and you know, I I know what you prefer them to talk to color wise, but are you I don't have any preference about my kids. Oh, you don't anymore? Because you was gonna push though. So we being real.

SPEAKER_12 1:03:46

I was gonna push. Okay, so here's what I'm saying. Here's my thing.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:49

Okay, because I can't let you sit up here be thinking.

SPEAKER_12 1:03:51

Because here's my thing. No, no, here's my face.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:52

Because you're gonna set them up to go the opposite way because of that instead of size. Here's my thing.

SPEAKER_12 1:03:57

Because like two of my kids are of mixed, you know, mixed race, you know what I'm saying? They they got a white passing mom or something. Oh, okay. They did came for me. Yes, they did.

SPEAKER_08 1:04:06

They black.

SPEAKER_12 1:04:06

But they ain't black, don't get any choice. They black with a white passing mom. So, but I'm telling them, like, you know, like when they get older, you know, kids are gonna naturally do the opposite of what you're telling them to do by itself. So are you going to tell them? My thing is this, I'm gonna let them bump their heads and let them learn to see for the chance.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:23

So you are no longer doing what you said. Okay, good. You have changed it. Now you're gonna let them figure it out for themselves.

SPEAKER_12 1:04:28

Figure them out for themselves, I'll be there to help them out. Okay, good. That's good.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:32

You know, that makes me happy because I told you at first, you funny for that. But, you know, growth. See, growth comes. That's what I love. You know, you start one way, but then you learn, and you're like, you know what? Because you don't want them feticizing it.

SPEAKER_12 1:04:44

And that's why, you know, but a lot of people feticise mixed people. Oh, yeah, I know. But both, both, and both sides. Black people fetish mixed people.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:53

Mixed kids are the exotics of us as Americans, I guess, in a sense, because they come out with all these different features. But that's just a mess because I know black folk, I know mixed folk, I know, I mean, that that have exotic features. Brown skin with beautiful eyes. You know what I'm saying? Like, we all have exotic features at the end of the day, if you wanna be real. But okay, well, that's good to know. Yeah. I do want to take a little break because I gotta read.

SPEAKER_12 1:05:15

Okay, I got you.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:15

And then I want to talk about something, though, because it goes hand in hand kind of with what you have already brought up.

SPEAKER_12 1:05:20

Oh, okay. All right, well, with you, uh, swag out here gotta empty her bladder with your.

SPEAKER_15 1:05:41

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Count out the niggas who say they the one. I know you ain't tough if you talk in the gun. Too many niggas gonna fuck up the fun. Bitches gave me crisp or fuck up the funds. I give all my money away if I could. Cause niggas get got every day in the hood. My baby mistake, she misunderstood. Look in the mirror, say fucking I'm good.

unknown 1:05:57

Count out the niggas who say they the one. I know you ain't tough if you talking.

SPEAKER_11 1:06:11

Fuck it, I'm good. Fuck it, I'm great. But I'm like God, the fuck you say too bad. Real quick, I'm a club's today. He's getting too big. Just drop it the way. Living above and being the law. All while black leads hold the applause. I get the shit. I get the dude. Playing for the clippers and holdin' the claw on. The good hands like all day. My corn price at a high rate. Just putting the bars, all off breaks. How do I do it? God damn nigga all day on. Ayy bad red bone, win's off next. Yeah, at the time I just dare to phone. After time I give a all the dick. The rest of time, not aware with yeah. Countin' my blessings, y'all countin' my pockets. I skip a buzz, quit countin' my eyes. When the bottom of the barrel, two hours to drop it, I'm grindin' my gears. My hustle robotic, yeah. New me, new vibe, new feeling, uh. Too drunk, too high, too million. Fuck y'all niggas, I'm about that. I ain't the wall, don't count that god.

SPEAKER_15 1:06:53

Count up the niggas who say they the one. I know you ain't stopping for talking the gun. So many niggas go fuck up the fun. Bitches get niggas for fuck up the funds. I give all my money, go way up I could niggas get got every day in the hood. My baby mistake, don't miss under the stood. Look in the mirror, so fuck I'm gonna niggas who stay in the wall.

unknown 1:07:09

I know you ain't stopping for fucking the gun. So many niggas go fuck up the buttons.

SPEAKER_15 1:07:15

I give all my money, go play up a good, my baby mistake, the mirror, the fuck up good. Mouth at that box, don't check me. Got trip, I drop my chest me. I'm cool, they don't test me. Don't not today, no stress me. You rappers don't impress me. I choose the gap, I'm pressed. All in my back, I'm head up. Oh yeah, that's right, she left, that's right. Now please don't tell them no lie. On them low, I'm so hot. Don't bring them protests. I guess that's me, I'm protests. My wrist off freedom protests. This game not takes you broken. This game not safety broken. This game not safety broke it. This game not safety broken. I guess that's me, I'm broken. This game not safety broken. Tell up the niggas who stayed in the one. I know you ain't tough if you talk in the gun. So many niggas go fuck up the phone. But you gave me trip a fuck up the phone. I give all my money away if I could. My baby must take it, she misunderstood. Look in the mirror, say fucking I'm good.

SPEAKER_14 1:08:35

This game not safe, key broken. This game not safe, key broken.

SPEAKER_16 1:09:08

Make him bigger must be on the summer, and pig me and make me do number dumbass. Someone's money on the pack and a little like I'm picking up because I'm gonna win one summer. Big old booty with some little less pinks, my bells and penny on the skin and one summer. I'm gonna get someone.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:00

I'm gonna be a bitch on my Instagram so can't hit me, but I'm still went crazy. Nobody fucking with me, my age among them. I'ma be one of the greatest. Don't take me saying what we gotta work on, what do you wanna tell me? Fuck you big me. Did they say don't hit me nobody, but it's too late. I'm already in it. Now I gotta live with that. I'm saying I'm gonna put a black and a wrap. I just come down to my dumb was a gap. Nigga put my flat on his back. When it turns a nigga to a baseball cap. This comma wanna cut go kicking me, big but ain't got no brain. Tell them I'm fully let it go stupid. Somebody dang on me no end. Niggas is dangers, niggas is daddy's dumbass doing the game. She keep telling me to make it run. I ain't got no claims to walk to try me. Don't get back to this coming. Make a bad bitch, feed me like a kid, feed me quite my phone.

SPEAKER_16 1:11:12

Let's go back to the gun. I got a mummy. I got a name in this crazy bitch. Look at it.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:42

Look at it. Look at it. Look at it. Look at it.

SPEAKER_12 1:11:45

Look at the Hold up, hold up, hold up. Yeah, man. So you cut me off though.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:57

I did not cut you off. Go ahead and finish that thing.

SPEAKER_12 1:12:00

I was about to cook them white dudes on the fresh tip, but it's okay now. There's other episodes we can do. Please go ahead.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:06

No, nope, because I know we're gonna revisit this again. Go ahead and we're gonna revisit again. Because you can cook them.

SPEAKER_12 1:12:11

Huh? I'm here for it. Go ahead. Because, like, look.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:14

Because I you know you've been wanting to do it. Go ahead and finish it. Because it still rolls into the next what I want to ask you. So it's fine.

SPEAKER_12 1:12:20

Alright, so. This is why this is where it gets to me, right? You know what I mean? Like this is where it all stems from to me. Because in my observations, and again, like, you know, I talked to white dudes too, you know what I mean? Like, you know, say, like, you know, we had conversations about interracial dating with white men as well. And I always pointed out a very uncomfortable but important thread to this conversation when it comes to them. And it's like, you know, in society, when one group has more social power, you know what I mean, it tries to become entangled with the ideas of ownership or control. It's like historically, you know what I mean, white men had often legal, economic, and political power over women, period, but especially women of color. So that doesn't mean like, you know, modern uh interracial relationship or reenactment of history, but it does mean that the historical influence and the cultural narrative is inherited. And that's where like, you know, the disconnect comes with them. It's like, oh, you know what I mean, like this. Like, why you why you bringing up the you know, the history, the histrionics of the history doesn't matter. But history does not be a lot of different things. Like it does matter how you guys, you know what I'm saying, looking at the uh the the age women as the lotus blossom, or how you guys be looking at Latinas as the fiery type, you know what I mean? It's just like how you guys generally, or just like, you know, uh black women being like, you know, the whole Jezebel stereotype back in the day, you know what I mean? It's just like, you know, like, and I tell them like y'all attraction to black women is probably the most dangerous because you know what I mean, like, you know, it's uh you guys created a racial myth about them being a Jezebel, and it and it served a brutal stereotype purpose in the stereotype because like you know, slave owners routinely sexually assaulted the black women's slaves. So it's just like so just rather than acknowledging that you guys carated a myth, and now this whole narrative is uh shaped excuse the exploitation of today. Now you guys looking at black women like they're more sexually adventurous, they're more freaky, and they're emotionally stronger, so therefore they're less less vulnerable, and that black women's strength at the trope and you know narrative is harmful as hell. Right. Like, no, like I I I I know that's one thing is like, oh, the black woman's so strong, she's so strong. I hate that.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:38

Yeah, I I dislike it too because while yes, we are strong, we are also sensitive, we are also, you know. Sometimes the even the strength, like the the uh the the display of being strong, is coming from how weak, you know, they feel in the moment. It's like, but if I don't protect me, who's gonna do it?

SPEAKER_12 1:14:58

Right. And it's like when it comes to like that group of people who does the fet fetishization to me, I don't think it's all about desire when it comes to them. I think it's just a a power play.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:09

Oh, it's probably desire, baby, because honey, you see how a black woman body is shaped. I don't get it twisted. I ain't saying that it's not other women of other colors, races or whatever that's not shaped like that because they got it too, but you predominantly see it where? Okay. So yeah, they desire it, but do they really care about, you know, it? No. They just want to feel it.

SPEAKER_12 1:15:30

They want to feel it. And again, it's like it's it's it's a it's been a uh cultural dope and standard as well, because you know what I mean. Like historically, white men having relationships with women of color was often tolerated and normalized. But when black men have relations with white women and other women's races, he uh he usually was faced with legal punishment, mob violence, and social outrage. So I just like I try to tell him like, you know, like we're not the same. Just because you like black women and I sometimes date white women, that doesn't mean it's not quite the same, though. It's not it's not the same. It doesn't give off the same energy as you can.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:02

I don't think that they get normalized like you think, though. Like I said, my sister's mixed and she um, of course, you see me, so you know we got a black mom and her dad's white. And his family, they, you know, when I was young, I didn't realize it until uh we ended up, because whatever, we ended up staying with him for a while, and I seen that it wasn't normalized in his home. Like where he grew up, his people, they weren't really with it, but it was just like, what can we say to him? He's gonna do it regardless. It was uncomfortable dinners where he had to like literally make sure they wasn't dropping the N-word because I was around, you know. So it's not normalized, but also I don't think Frank, shout out to him, I don't think he fetisized my mom, though. So like that's the difference. Because all of them don't fatis. I don't think it's a lot of people. But I don't think it that's I don't think it's the majority does. I think he's like the 5% that didn't. Don't get it twisted. He's a rare commodity.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:57

Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:57

You know what I'm saying? Like he true to this, but his people also probably did push him towards it because they were so against him.

SPEAKER_12 1:17:05

I feel like, I feel like, and to wrap this whole, this kind of the conversation up uh in its entirety, it's like I want people just again, this this conversation is purposed to raise self-awareness. Yeah, yeah, I agree. Not to castrate or criticize or anything like that. Yeah, no, no. But like, you know, I feel like, you know, people need to ask themselves, like, yo, if I took away their race, if you are dating interracially or if you are in an interracial marriage or anything like that, if you took away their race, would you still be attracted to their own people? That's step one. That's question number one you have to ask yourself. And the question of the two is am I attracted to them or am I attracted to the story I've been told about people who look like them? Yeah. You know what I mean? So I feel like, you know, and one more thing I need uh one more nuance I think is worth adding. It's also very important to not pathologize um let me get that word right. Pathologize every racial preference. People's attraction are shaped by the mix of biology, personal experience, culture, community, and media. Uh the discussion becomes the most productive when it's like examining the inherited narratives and stereotypes and not assuming that every interracial relationship is evidence of a fetish. It's the distinction that keeps the conversation both intellectually honest and while still confronting the history behind this radicalized desire.

SPEAKER_07 1:18:27

I think that's it right there. If you can't confront the history with someone that you're with or the opposite color, um, then are you you already know right there that y'all know why y'all with each other. If you can't talk about the bad to get to where we can like, you know, go forward and make a change and then you know it don't apply to you.

SPEAKER_12 1:18:44

Keep it intellectually honest, y'all.

SPEAKER_07 1:18:46

Yeah, so I'm with that.

SPEAKER_12 1:18:47

I'm with you. T H A M A K P O D C A S T, if you have thoughts about this topic and you want to talk about it.

SPEAKER_07 1:18:54

Oh, I'm definitely sure some thoughts about it. Come talk to me. Especially about the um, you can talk to us, not just him, because Lord he's gonna be talking about. I mean, no, but they're gonna talk to you, they're gonna talk to you. They're gonna talk to me anyway, though.

SPEAKER_12 1:19:03

They never talk to me, but like I'm also approachable. I uh see, y'all, come on, man. Listen, man. To those who are listening out, though that's I'm very approachable, man. I'm not gonna punch your head off, you know what I mean, just because you are disagreeing with the take of mine. Let's have an intellectual, honest conversation about it.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:23

So, in lieu of what you're talking about, because I think this is a good leeway, um, I seen a post that one of my boys put up in South Carolina, and I was like, you know, I'm gonna ask a question tonight. So it says um he he reposted something that um it's a thread that's been going on. So unpopular opinion. Do you think segregation was good or bad? Right? So the I'm gonna read what it says. It said, what's wrong with segregation for real? I think we do better on our own anyhow. They will never understand us. We thrived when we were in our own communities, our own schools, and support our own businesses. We didn't beat them when they shot with us or deny them service. We are a special kind of people. And I personally, this person, not me, said think that things should go back to the way that they were. And I get where they're coming from based on some things in life. But before I give my take, I want to know what you feel. So, do you think that we should bring it back where things are segregated? Or do you can you see the pro? Let me say, let me not say bring it back. I want to prose it as what do you think would be the pros and cons of that based on because right now, like, as far as an integrated society, I'm looking at where we're at right now.

SPEAKER_12 1:20:42

I haven't seen much benefit on either side, to be honest with you. Um the thing about segregation, um, back in the day, it was all about like, you know, the resources not being equal.

SPEAKER_07 1:20:55

So we had to funnel. Okay, so you was gonna- I knew you were gonna do something.

SPEAKER_12 1:20:58

So it's just like, you know, back in the day, it was just like, yeah, we had we like the black community, we're we're thriving. We were doing well. We had our own towns and cities and stuff like that. So we we but then, you know, racist groups and white supremacist groups came through those towns and burned them down and like, you know, mucked everything up and made them dependent on them. And that right there was a conundrum and a in a in a conflicting message itself because you don't want us to be around y'all, but we can't do our own grow and thrive. And thrive. Yeah. So you know what I'm saying, pick a side, my dude. Like, damn, you just angry. We like we're over here not even bothering y'all.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:35

We even go across the street to talk to y'all no more.

SPEAKER_12 1:21:39

But well, you're looking over, uh looking over here, you're you're feeling the type of thing.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:42

But you know why though, right? Because our dollars, our our presence always makes a difference.

SPEAKER_12 1:21:47

But we're the number one consumer in this country. Right, and I guess even back then we were too. Yes, it but like we was. Well, we was poor. But we were spending our dollars amongst ourselves, so it kind of came back to us in the same way. Which made us thrive. So it made us thrive as well. So just like, yeah, in an economic standpoint, like, yeah, like it will be better for us to do it, but like, you know, I get it society-wise. Like, I'm not saying again, I'm not trying to doctor Umar.

SPEAKER_07 1:22:12

No, no, you're not. You said it though, you get it society-wise.

SPEAKER_12 1:22:15

Society-wise integration is a point because to learn from each other's cultures and like you know what I mean, and then learn each other's, you know, I mean, uh, customs and just like at least be educated on the matter is um good for a person's development in this world. But when it comes to us, like, you know, I mean, thriving and like, you know, having be fully liberated and fully like, you know, I mean, have our own kind of you know, social status, our own political power, our own structure. You know what I mean? So like I feel like it does sound good because again, we have been integrated for over 40 years and like almost 50, and this is there's been no real progress. Right. You know what I mean? For us, us as a community integrating, you know what I'm saying? Our our children's test scores went down once we started integrating. Yeah, I'm not this is true, though. This is true.

SPEAKER_07 1:23:05

So our kids started losing the identity of themselves.

SPEAKER_12 1:23:08

Identity of themselves, trying to fit in. Because they couldn't fit in. Because it couldn't fit in because they're in the classrooms where it's just majority white and you gotta act and behave a certain way. So it's like it is um it has both its pros and its cons. So far, the cons have outweighed the pros, unfortunately, but like I don't see segregation today in 2026 really being the end all like to the answer to all our problems. Not the answer, but it it blessed. I've always said, hey, let's just take a step back from each other.

SPEAKER_07 1:23:41

Well, with that being said, with that being said, on your part, so I um in our own corners. Like I said, I do agree with all pretty much everything you said. Um but looking at it for today's time, it it is like, yeah, it seems like it would be the way, but the problem is us. Yeah, we we we don't have enough unity amongst each other, and it sucks, you know what I'm saying? To even want to unity or to even pose this question about segregation to us going back to us spending dollars with each other, we tear each other down faster and quicker than any other race. And this is a fact.

SPEAKER_08 1:24:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:24:17

You know what I'm saying? So it's like before you can get to talking about segregation, let's really figure out how to get back to family, the village, to getting back to, you know what I mean, where we know that we can trust the dollars inside of our communities without some somebody coming and robbing it that looked like us because they just wanted some money for that day.

SPEAKER_12 1:24:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:24:39

Versus coming and asking the person who stored it better rob, can they get some food?

SPEAKER_12 1:24:42

But like, you know, you gotta show some grace when it comes to our because we we we've been through some psychological warfare for centuries. So, like, of course, like, you know what I mean? It's not gonna be the smoothest transition. It's not gonna, like, you know, start off like all roses and rainbows. But that's the question. Are we willing to change ourselves? Are we willing to do the work that's right to get ourselves in a liberated position, to get ourselves in a more position because we're gonna have to go through the BS just to make it through, to just to get some real progress. Are we willing to sacrifice said comfort and said luxuries?

SPEAKER_07 1:25:18

And that's the thing. A lot of people a lot of people, it's it's a way more people of color now that actually are millionaires and have money and and they don't have to. It's no longer all of us against that. You see what I'm saying? Now we got people in position where I just don't see segregation being a thing. But unity, us figuring out, are we willing to change ourselves and giving grace, but also understanding that certain things have to happen. Like I don't understand why there's not more wrecks, like re recomm uh recreational um buildings for people to go play, like people in the hood areas where they can get away from the nonsense and go play sports or go do that. You know, that most of them gotta travel a long way. So I think it's things that need to happen in our community, but I'm not mad at the question going around. I do want to see um besides people who look like us responses, I do want to hear well, white folks.

SPEAKER_12 1:26:11

I want to hear like white folks be so. I wanna hear what that is. If you let the MAGA crowd tell it, they'll they'll be all for it until they see it.

SPEAKER_07 1:26:20

Because the most of the MAGA people, which is funny to me, they not rich. Y'all is two steps, y'all is what they would call trailer park trash, honey. I ain't trying to hold you. We might have been the ghetto project, babies, but y'all was right around the corner, honey. Right around the corner. Okay, so and y'all don't look just like ours. The difference is y'all had dirty roads and barely any water. Yeah.

SPEAKER_12 1:26:39

So And I feel like, you know what I mean, like again, like this this whole thing kind of like, you know, is incumbent on the 1% and the billionaires and the people who are in the shadow organizations that kind of like pulling the strings. Uh we can't worry about them though. They don't care about us. They do care about us. They care more about us than we can.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:57

Yeah, but not in the way that we need to be cared for.

SPEAKER_12 1:26:59

No, exactly. That's it. And I'm just saying, I didn't say care. I didn't say care in a positive way.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:03

You just care about what I can do for them.

SPEAKER_12 1:27:04

No, exactly. No, they're very, they're very interested in our story and where we're at in this system and in this country. So it's just like hard.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:12

Yeah, you're right.

SPEAKER_12 1:27:13

They gotta keep us in a certain um compartment in order for them to still keep on being rich. That's unfortunately the with that much money.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:22

If you go broke, that's all on you, honey. It's no way that the the poor can make the rich go broke when they that broke when they that rich, bro. Like that, that whole concept is beyond me.

SPEAKER_12 1:27:33

The fact that that we uh that poor people are needed for capitalism to thrive is kind of nuts.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:37

In order for rich people to say rich, poor people have to exist is crazy.

SPEAKER_12 1:27:41

Exactly.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:42

And that that's something we really need to think about.

SPEAKER_12 1:27:44

Yeah, I mean that's really the the the the main thing, the the powers that be, you know what I mean? Like Right. Right.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:50

Well, okay. Well, we we we smoked that.

SPEAKER_12 1:27:52

We smoke we smoke to the episode.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:54

I know. I do got one question though, just to put a lighter thing on it. Okay. Because I seen this um post, and I was like, you know. So with something that isn't flirting, but it definitely feels like flirting. So like in my case, like um I was thinking about it, I was like So like sometimes like when you're in like okay, you're in a room or you gotta get past somebody. If I gotta get past someone and there's not that much room, I I do this thing where like I c I'll grab like the side to like let you know I'm there to pass by. And some people will think that's flirting because that's like a touch on the the body.

SPEAKER_08 1:28:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:28:31

But I'm not flirting. I just really want you to know I'm right here and it can go. And that right there, that's like my hand is right here, so your side, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_12 1:28:38

At least yours is like more of an in-person thing, man. Like I I I like a photo or reply to a post that they think I'm flirting and stuff like that. So at least yours is in person, it makes sense.

SPEAKER_07 1:28:50

Yeah, I can see that making sense for me.

SPEAKER_12 1:28:52

Yeah, but for me, it's just like, yo, ma'am, I just liked a post. Or I just responded to a story. I'm not, or oh, he be in my DMs. I'm sending you a reel. Like, calm down. Um, but yeah, like that, this is a lot of things that, you know, like what I do in person that people might, like, I don't know, um just could eye contact, smiling in their face. Yeah. Um, you know, yeah, some people say maybe, maybe a touch on the back or something like that. Just like that. But it's just like, you know, just like uh, it's a friendly gesture. It's always friendly.

SPEAKER_07 1:29:24

Especially based on like, I feel like if people should be like, Or if I compliment you or something like that. Oh, yeah, that's another one. Like, I'm not flirting if I compliment you. Like, if you smell good or your outfit cute, but what if I say, Dan, you look good? Damn, you look good, but you and I but see that right there, I can see how they'll come off flirting. Because sometimes that's just an observation. It is an observation. It's like 50-50 with that. I feel like you would not.

SPEAKER_12 1:29:46

I'm trying, you know what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_07 1:29:47

So how how in your case, what what are your things that you do to show that you're flirting? So that they know that you flirting.

SPEAKER_12 1:29:54

Uh yeah, man, you know, get it get close in their ear, man. Talk to them all low. Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_07 1:29:58

It's your voice. You know what I mean? Like, yeah. My man said if we get that midnight little voice and get in your ear.

SPEAKER_12 1:30:04

Get in your ear, you know what I'm saying? If I can touch the small of your back a little bit, you can see it. Okay, not the size. Not the side, but the biggest. So, like, you know what I mean? If I get a little bit handsy, just a little bit, that's what I'm flirting to put the moves on, and stuff like that. If I ain't doing none of that, I'm not flirting with you.

SPEAKER_07 1:30:21

I'm not flirting. I'm just being a good guy.

SPEAKER_12 1:30:22

I'm just being a good guy.

SPEAKER_07 1:30:24

I'm interested in no, okay.

SPEAKER_12 1:30:26

Super dead ass. Man, I think we did it, y'all. Yeah, yeah. Let's get about it here, man. Yeah, cool. We we in the next episode we're gonna have a little bit more for y'all, man, a little more fun times. But thank you guys for joining us in a very mature conversation. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, one episode of this. All right, man. This is Mike's attitude and knowledge. This is music, art, and culture. This is making audio classics. Thank you for joining us on another episode of the Mac Podcast. I hope you enjoy listening as much as we enjoy talking to y'all. Please keep us in your thoughts and your prayers. I guarantee that you are an ours and a word to the wise. Don't let the wins be the relief and losses be the tragedy. What is simple, what is easy, are rarely the same. And a wise man can play the fool, but a fool could never play the wise man. And last but not least, no amount of money in the world has ever bought you a second of time. So spend yours wisely. This is the Mac Podcast, and we are out. This piece, man. Join us, same place, same time. And just remember next week.

SPEAKER_07 1:31:27

Chemistry loves you and drink water. Oh, yeah, please drink water.

SPEAKER_12 1:31:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:32

Hey, everything be like off the top these days. Like, we got landing no thing. Fuck that hoe, cause she a nat. You ain't the one for me, baby. You ain't got shit I need, bitch. You want me to take my time with you? Maybe I'm not your speed, bitch. Maybe I'm not your lead, bitch. You need got no cheese, bitch. Maybe I'm just too G for them. Maybe I'm just too screw, bitch. I can even roll and pee, why? Everybody notice me, yeah. I can even go to sleep, why? I'm rollin' on the beam, yeah. They try to give me eight got on my knee, like Jesus, please. He don't even believe in Jesus. Why you gotta Jesus, please? If you wanna lead this leave, but you ain't gonna lie to me. Even the blast to see, but you ain't gon' ride for me. You ain't showing me the love, you say you die for me. There ain't no loyalty, you lie to me. You say that you gon' ride for me. Baby, that's blasphemy, yeah. Baby, you bad for me, yeah. Say you gon' clap for me, yeah. Say you gon' blasphemy, yeah. Why you ain't show me none of the love, you say you have for me. We're going through tragedy, bitch. I needed you dress to leave, yeah. I'ma just twist my floor up, yeah. Maybe I'm stick, no throw up, yeah. Maybe I don't stick no check up, yeah. Boy, you need to run your checkup, yeah. I mean no you niggas no ketchup, yeah. I mean no you niggas can't catch up, eh? To the face down with an S up, eh? Even when I'm fucking I'm messed up, eh? You ain't got shit I need, bitch. You want me to take my time with you? Maybe I'm not your speed, bitch. Maybe I'm not your lead, bitch. You ain't got no G, bitch. Maybe I'm just too G for them, maybe I'm just too screw, bitch. I can eat rollin' pee, Why? Everybody notice me, yeah. I can even go to sleep, why? I'm rollin' on the beam, they try to give me eight out on my knee, like Jesus, please. He only believe in Jesus. Why you gotta Jesus pee? If you wanna lead us, leave. But you ain't gonna lie to me. Even the blind to see, but you ain't gon' ride for me. You ain't even throwing me the lawyer say you got for me. There ain't no loyalty and you lie to me. You say that you gon' rap for me.

SPEAKER_09 1:33:33

I ain't gonna do the nigga shit, cause I'm too good for Jesus. I ain't gon' fuck the nigga, bitch, cause I know she a eat her huh. Last time I wiped the bitch, you told her while I beat her. Hello, shorty, oh my wardy, pockin' up a nook yo poke and you hit it on the back, then it be a bit it, take that I know through the period on. Mama when I had that poker, huh? Then lookin' on my shoulder, huh? Y'all don't. Not meaning, young nigga got woo on me.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:03

You ain't got shit I need, bitch. You want me to take my time with you? Maybe I'm not your speed, bitch. Maybe I'm not your lead, bitch. Meaning ain't got no cheese, bitch. Maybe I'm just too G for you. Maybe I'm just too screen, bitch. I can even roll and pee. Why? Everybody notice me, yeah. I can even go to sleep, why? I'm rollin' on the beams, yeah. It tried to give me eight, got on my knee, like Jesus, please. He only believe in Jesus. Why you gotta Jesus, please? If you wanna leave, just leave. But you ain't gonna lie to me. Even the blind seed, but she ain't gonna ride for me. You ain't need someone for me. The lawyer said you got for me. There ain't no loyalty, you lie to me. You say that you gon' ride for me.