{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"startTime":0.0,"endTime":17.16,"body":"Welcome to another Clevvertics podcast. In this podcast we talk to Mark Lennitz. Mark"},{"startTime":17.16,"endTime":24.059,"body":"is an Auckland-based New Zealand swimmer who, like many, has done some amazing swims. He"},{"startTime":24.059,"endTime":30.78,"body":"grew around a pool and then, like some, got lost a little bit through the teenage in"},{"startTime":30.78,"endTime":37.5,"body":"early 20 years, but it got back into it, basically at the tepid bars. Decided to do some"},{"startTime":37.5,"endTime":44.34,"body":"longer swims, so did the rottenest swim and did the first ever chopper challenge. We"},{"startTime":44.34,"endTime":49.299,"body":"talked quite a lot about his cook's straight swim. There was quite a long buildup to it."},{"startTime":49.299,"endTime":54.06,"body":"It took him four years before he was able to attempt it, and it's a lot more than just"},{"startTime":54.06,"endTime":58.859,"body":"a physical preparation, but also the mental and emotional side of it. This was our wonderful"},{"startTime":58.859,"endTime":62.1,"body":"chat. I think you're going to absolutely love it."},{"startTime":62.1,"endTime":67.2,"body":"Okay, well, welcome to another Clevvertics podcast. In this one we're talking to Mark. Welcome"},{"startTime":67.2,"endTime":68.2,"body":"Mark."},{"startTime":68.2,"endTime":69.7,"body":"Thanks very much for having me."},{"startTime":69.7,"endTime":74.14,"body":"Cool. So, Mark, we usually start by just giving you a bit of an opportunity to tell us"},{"startTime":74.14,"endTime":75.78,"body":"your swim story."},{"startTime":75.78,"endTime":80.34,"body":"What is swimming to you? How did you get into it? What did you do?"},{"startTime":80.34,"endTime":87.299,"body":"Yeah, I suppose going back to the start. I grew up in Teo and Motu, and my dad ran the"},{"startTime":87.299,"endTime":93.659,"body":"local swimming pool. He was originally a Dutchman, a civil Dutchman. He's passed away now, but"},{"startTime":93.659,"endTime":100.54,"body":"he and the Seven Tees, when I was born, actually helped out training Sally McKim, who would"},{"startTime":100.54,"endTime":105.579,"body":"have been the first one to get across the Cooks straight, and she got within a mile,"},{"startTime":105.579,"endTime":110.78,"body":"and then the tide changed. And she was pretty young, I think she was 17 or 18 at the time."},{"startTime":110.78,"endTime":117.34,"body":"So Mum said, who's quite a charity guy, and Mum said, Dad pretty much didn't talk for"},{"startTime":117.34,"endTime":122.9,"body":"a couple of days after coming back and so devastated by the fact that she hadn't quite made it,"},{"startTime":122.9,"endTime":126.98,"body":"and she trained for a whole year for it. And she was a superstar, so I'm not saying"},{"startTime":126.98,"endTime":133.659,"body":"so bad. And yeah, so that planet is seed, I think, that was always a bit of a family"},{"startTime":133.659,"endTime":139.139,"body":"story. So I just grew up in the local swimming pool with my older brother Grant and my younger"},{"startTime":139.139,"endTime":144.46,"body":"sister Kim, and we just played in the pool all the time. Dad was a swimming teacher and"},{"startTime":144.46,"endTime":152.139,"body":"ran the pool. And so we just grew up in a pool playing all the time, and I just loved swimming,"},{"startTime":152.139,"endTime":157.219,"body":"and I loved racing when I was a kid, and I was pretty good up until about 10 or 11,"},{"startTime":157.219,"endTime":161.46,"body":"and then the kids who were actually training came flying past me, and that was pretty much"},{"startTime":161.46,"endTime":167.419,"body":"the end of my swimming career. I was like training, I was like, I just want to be in the"},{"startTime":167.419,"endTime":171.659,"body":"water, I don't want to have tea, yeah. And yeah, if someone had actually told me they've"},{"startTime":171.659,"endTime":176.939,"body":"been a bit of training, and how fast I could have been if I trained, you know, those little"},{"startTime":176.939,"endTime":180.62,"body":"funny things, they probably would have burnt out, and you wouldn't be swimming now, right?"},{"startTime":181.419,"endTime":185.5,"body":"That's highly likely, you know, it's way too much swimming in the pool as a kid, but all"},{"startTime":185.5,"endTime":192.78,"body":"you're the every day growing up, it was cool. Cool. And you swim through your teens,"},{"startTime":192.78,"endTime":197.419,"body":"after school you swim, you know, it's been something you've always done, or was there a gap when"},{"startTime":197.419,"endTime":204.539,"body":"you stopped for a long time? So I don't swim from about 12, and I got into, I just played all sorts"},{"startTime":204.539,"endTime":212.939,"body":"of sports tennis, hockey a lot. I tried for the New Zealand Junior team for them, and then I just"},{"startTime":212.939,"endTime":217.659,"body":"went to teach the college to train as a PE teacher, did that, and I just got really lazy,"},{"startTime":217.659,"endTime":221.259,"body":"when I knew I wasn't going to make the New Zealand hockey team, I was like, no, I'm not going to"},{"startTime":221.259,"endTime":227.9,"body":"do that, so you can see the same thing. And so, yeah, I just end up getting really lazy and"},{"startTime":227.9,"endTime":234.3,"body":"doing nothing, growing on like 15 kilos, so I was just a big round mark for probably 10, 15 years."},{"startTime":235.02,"endTime":240.78,"body":"And yeah, just met my wife Michelle, and she just come back from trying to get the Olympics"},{"startTime":240.78,"endTime":247.18,"body":"to the sailor, and I met her and I thought, oh, she's just an amazing quality person, and she's"},{"startTime":247.18,"endTime":252.539,"body":"out training all the time. You better raise your gap. I've been doing something like, so I was like,"},{"startTime":252.539,"endTime":257.66,"body":"what can I do, and I'm like swimming, something I used to be all right at, maybe that's something"},{"startTime":257.66,"endTime":262.06,"body":"to do, so I just went and turned up with some squads down on the tip of bars with Hayden,"},{"startTime":262.62,"endTime":268.139,"body":"Woolly, and I just got stuck into it, and that was the pathway back to getting fit again."},{"startTime":268.779,"endTime":273.1,"body":"How long ago was that? That would have been about 15, 20 years ago."},{"startTime":273.899,"endTime":279.18,"body":"Yeah, yeah, 20 years. Cool. 20 years ago that you would have been,"},{"startTime":279.18,"endTime":287.019,"body":"yeah, I've been swimming at the tips for that, not in his morning squat, but"},{"startTime":287.1,"endTime":292.3,"body":"years. Yeah, yeah. I originally started, and that's where I mean, Vic, there was a swim squad"},{"startTime":292.3,"endTime":297.899,"body":"there called the Flat Niners, that went on Tuesday, Thursday, and Friday nights. Brilliant."},{"startTime":297.899,"endTime":303.74,"body":"And Hayden ended up taking over that and got absorbed into the whole future dreams thing,"},{"startTime":303.74,"endTime":308.939,"body":"but yeah. Yeah, no, it was great training for me, and I liked it because he would throw"},{"startTime":308.939,"endTime":314.22,"body":"some racing in there, and I started seeing my times coming down, and that was quite sort of"},{"startTime":314.22,"endTime":319.579,"body":"motivating for me, and I'd always hit this dream as a breaking a minute for a hundred meters,"},{"startTime":320.54,"endTime":327.819,"body":"and the fastest idea for down was a minute four at school, and I was about 17, I'll know training,"},{"startTime":327.819,"endTime":333.819,"body":"of course, but yeah, one night I broke the minute, and then I was just like, I was just in tears,"},{"startTime":333.819,"endTime":339.98,"body":"I was just, it was just awesome, like I couldn't believe I did it, she'd done it. Yeah, so that was,"},{"startTime":339.98,"endTime":344.86,"body":"that was cool one, yeah, good awesome Hayden, was it back in the training session?"},{"startTime":344.86,"endTime":350.06,"body":"Or at a guide? So we did like a Friday night, he would do it once a month, and it would be all"},{"startTime":350.06,"endTime":354.699,"body":"handicapped racing, and I was only good for one one hundred meters, and you had to do three,"},{"startTime":354.699,"endTime":359.1,"body":"if you got through the next round. Okay. And I'm a one and done swim, and I need three"},{"startTime":359.1,"endTime":365.019,"body":"and I'll stroke her on, absolutely useless, totally useless. So you swam sub one, and the second one"},{"startTime":365.019,"endTime":372.379,"body":"was like one 30 or something. I didn't go past the second round until the final. Yeah, and I did"},{"startTime":372.379,"endTime":379.66,"body":"not care. That's cool. Yeah, cool. Yeah, that's we're walking on cloud nine for the whole night."},{"startTime":379.66,"endTime":384.699,"body":"Yeah, after that, I couldn't believe it. So what got you thinking about open water swimming?"},{"startTime":387.42,"endTime":392.459,"body":"Dad had done like, he swam the rangataro swims, and he used to take swimmers across the lake,"},{"startTime":392.459,"endTime":398.22,"body":"roast mass swim, and I don't remember her, and he took two case swimmers, and he quite like doing"},{"startTime":398.22,"endTime":404.62,"body":"the sort of two-k, I didn't water Lake Haru Petro, but he dealt with my older brother, who's"},{"startTime":404.62,"endTime":409.74,"body":"a much better endurance person than me. I always thought I was a sprinter, but it turns out"},{"startTime":409.74,"endTime":415.18,"body":"I'm probably not. I'm not an out and out sprinter, and I'm not out and out endurance."},{"startTime":415.18,"endTime":419.899,"body":"That's probably the best combo, right? Yeah, or you're somewhere in between, and he was more like"},{"startTime":419.899,"endTime":423.899,"body":"a 400 metre runner and stuff, so maybe I'm sort of somewhere in there middling. Yep,"},{"startTime":423.899,"endTime":431.339,"body":"posley, but I just didn't get that tough up, yeah. Yeah, so I just started doing some of the"},{"startTime":431.339,"endTime":436.459,"body":"the smaller ocean swims, and just doing one k and two k stuff, and then I thought, oh,"},{"startTime":436.459,"endTime":442.3,"body":"I wouldn't mind doing the rangataro swim, and I did that, and it was a really big ocean day,"},{"startTime":442.3,"endTime":447.5,"body":"and I got smashed, and I just got destroyed and dragged myself up the beaches, and how"},{"startTime":448.06,"endTime":454.54,"body":"did I do that? I don't do it again. Yeah, it kept me quite dolly that way. Yeah, yeah, so then I"},{"startTime":454.54,"endTime":459.18,"body":"just keep doing a few more of those. So it sort of started from there, and I went, well, if I could"},{"startTime":459.18,"endTime":466.379,"body":"do that rangataro one, and then I heard about a late top of the 10 kilometre challenge, and there"},{"startTime":466.379,"endTime":471.5,"body":"was a couple of people with squads who were thinking about doing it, and I was like, holy smoke,"},{"startTime":471.5,"endTime":479.18,"body":"that's crazy, and I thought that would be a really good mission. And I think through my childhood,"},{"startTime":479.18,"endTime":483.899,"body":"in teenage years, and being in my twenties, I always liked the idea of doing a venture from"},{"startTime":483.899,"endTime":489.339,"body":"a point to a point. Yeah. Once I went to uni, I just had three weeks with no job,"},{"startTime":491.18,"endTime":494.779,"body":"and I was just like, how am I going to film my time at all uni starts again? I just worked"},{"startTime":494.779,"endTime":498.54,"body":"for seven or eight weeks, though I needed a break, so I just bought a bike and wrote a cake,"},{"startTime":498.779,"endTime":505.98,"body":"and got by the little tent instead off the next day, and I never done, like, I was so in"},{"startTime":505.98,"endTime":511.579,"body":"first. And again, like, you went to cyclist, right? No, no, not at all. I was hopeless on a bike,"},{"startTime":511.579,"endTime":517.82,"body":"and I cycled out to a way where I was just like camping on the beach to go, that was three,"},{"startTime":517.82,"endTime":524.539,"body":"five K's, hold on to me the whole day together, like, how am I going to survive? But it was such an"},{"startTime":524.539,"endTime":529.82,"body":"awesome mission. And the first week was just trying to fit. My second week was pretty okay,"},{"startTime":529.82,"endTime":533.899,"body":"in the third week, like, I was just me enduring and stopping at every bay and having, you know,"},{"startTime":533.899,"endTime":539.82,"body":"a good time. And like, the third week I was just so fit, and came back, and everyone's like,"},{"startTime":539.82,"endTime":542.7,"body":"oh, you smell like what happened to you? And I'm like, I don't know, I just went for a ride."},{"startTime":542.7,"endTime":546.7,"body":"Yeah. And then I'm like, you look totally different, and I've last laid over 10 K lows,"},{"startTime":546.7,"endTime":550.86,"body":"because I was just editing like, no, it all was on a full cast day, and I'd have like some"},{"startTime":550.94,"endTime":555.82,"body":"usually for breakfast, at like nine o'clock in the 10th, got too hot. And that was it. But"},{"startTime":555.82,"endTime":560.22,"body":"there's obviously lots of exercise at the same time, right? Yeah, it was cool. And you just made some"},{"startTime":560.22,"endTime":565.1,"body":"amazing people. And maybe that's what I'm usually doing, you know, going to find my,"},{"startTime":565.1,"endTime":570.779,"body":"going to bury my tent killer somewhere at Cape Rien on a bike ride. See you guys next month,"},{"startTime":570.779,"endTime":577.019,"body":"I'm going to go do some weights. Well, I think, yeah, I mean, losing weight wasn't the goal,"},{"startTime":577.82,"endTime":583.179,"body":"it wasn't nothing, it was, and I didn't know it was happening. I just knew I was getting stronger"},{"startTime":583.179,"endTime":588.94,"body":"legs and feeling fitter. And I wasn't caring about that, but I came back, and I was like, oh,"},{"startTime":588.94,"endTime":594.539,"body":"okay, like this, yes. So that would be an awesome idea. You should have done that 25 years ago."},{"startTime":595.82,"endTime":602.539,"body":"My needs are doing it again. Yeah, I don't find me, I'll do the car time spot."},{"startTime":603.259,"endTime":608.86,"body":"Yeah. So you got more and more into open water swimming then? Yeah, so we downloaded"},{"startTime":609.419,"endTime":618.62,"body":"Lake Top Old, that was about the 10k, yeah, the 10k, and I was absolutely shitting myself before,"},{"startTime":618.62,"endTime":628.46,"body":"and I was in tears, and I was just terrified, and it was totally awesome. It was just a great day out,"},{"startTime":628.46,"endTime":635.179,"body":"and yeah, I've been training pretty hard, but you just don't know, the best story you've done is"},{"startTime":635.179,"endTime":641.659,"body":"four and a half k's, and you're more than doubling it, and can you cope with that? And I kind of fell"},{"startTime":641.659,"endTime":647.659,"body":"apart a little bit on the fourth lap, because I went out just at one pace, and it just fell apart a"},{"startTime":647.659,"endTime":651.34,"body":"little bit on the last little bit, but that's kind of part of the journey, and I don't think I've ever"},{"startTime":651.34,"endTime":658.22,"body":"swam there, swam smartly. This is the epic right? Yeah, and so four laps, two and a half k's"},{"startTime":658.22,"endTime":665.019,"body":"each, and a feed, whenever you want. So yeah, I just took a couple of gels and chucked it down the"},{"startTime":665.019,"endTime":672.059,"body":"back of the tobs, and off we go. So yeah, walking out of there, it was just, I think I heard about"},{"startTime":672.059,"endTime":677.58,"body":"20 lollies out of the bucket, the ladies, you know, the look on their face was a bit shocked at"},{"startTime":677.58,"endTime":683.82,"body":"how many lollies I could go back at. It was cold, and I remember just getting a little"},{"startTime":683.82,"endTime":688.139,"body":"middle for the age group afterwards, and there weren't that many doing over when I saw him back then,"},{"startTime":688.139,"endTime":694.46,"body":"like I think I got sick, and there's no way I'd ever come sick of now. And so it was just cold,"},{"startTime":694.46,"endTime":698.94,"body":"and it gave me quite a lot of confidence. Yeah, so I came back into the next year, and it was a"},{"startTime":698.94,"endTime":705.259,"body":"week before I went in. So you know, the tiring was pretty insane, and we had our first child."},{"startTime":705.259,"endTime":711.34,"body":"Okay, so there was a lot going on. Yeah, and that was witty to me, of no tobs."},{"startTime":711.34,"endTime":717.659,"body":"Yeah. Have you ever swam on witty? I could be wrong on that. I'm just trying to think that too"},{"startTime":717.659,"endTime":722.139,"body":"was I swam on the witty then. I was swam on the witty then. Yeah, it was definitely witty."},{"startTime":722.139,"endTime":726.86,"body":"Okay, yeah, that's pretty normal to start off in the witty, and then lose them down the line."},{"startTime":726.86,"endTime":733.1,"body":"Yeah, okay. Yeah, it took me a while to lose the witty. Okay, yeah. So a week away from the"},{"startTime":733.1,"endTime":739.019,"body":"witty and sort of relatively young baby at home and training for a 10k race. Yeah, okay."},{"startTime":739.019,"endTime":743.019,"body":"Should I put on the couch a little bit? No, no. No, no, no, no."},{"startTime":746.22,"endTime":751.179,"body":"Michelle doesn't feel so formally about what we're doing now. There's been a lot of hardship"},{"startTime":751.179,"endTime":757.5,"body":"on their front. So, you know, doing something, Berg is not easy on the body relationship in your family."},{"startTime":757.5,"endTime":766.299,"body":"Yeah, I think it's really interesting that conversation about the trade-offs, you know,"},{"startTime":766.299,"endTime":772.779,"body":"and I haven't been very good at it, and lots of people go, well, that's awesome, you"},{"startTime":772.779,"endTime":778.94,"body":"know, something at 10k, so more, you know, doing whatever, and you go, yeah, and that's"},{"startTime":778.94,"endTime":784.059,"body":"what people look at, and you go, you don't know the half of that."},{"startTime":784.059,"endTime":789.899,"body":"Yeah, the other part, you don't know how stressed I was, you don't know how hard some of"},{"startTime":789.899,"endTime":793.259,"body":"those days were, and how I wanted to give up, you know, 20 times."},{"startTime":795.019,"endTime":799.659,"body":"But what would have been if you didn't do it though? You know, would you be, you'd be worse off"},{"startTime":799.659,"endTime":807.259,"body":"as a person, right? Yes, so yeah. Yeah, and that's, so, things being incredibly helpful for me,"},{"startTime":807.259,"endTime":811.58,"body":"to bring a little bit more balance, because I can get a little bit too singular and focus"},{"startTime":811.58,"endTime":818.94,"body":"sometimes on things, and I can do with swimming as well, or I just feel really out of balance,"},{"startTime":818.94,"endTime":823.659,"body":"so you've got your relationship, you've got your family, you've got your work, and you've got"},{"startTime":823.659,"endTime":830.059,"body":"some other things going on in your life, hopefully, and then you've got this, and I find if I do"},{"startTime":830.059,"endTime":836.139,"body":"some exercise, then I'm just a better person, I'm more positive, I've got much better energy,"},{"startTime":837.1,"endTime":845.419,"body":"and I can cope with a lot, like it really calms me down, when I'm not, I've got, I've just got"},{"startTime":845.419,"endTime":851.179,"body":"energy in me, and I've just get frustrated or stuff just sets me off a little bit more,"},{"startTime":852.059,"endTime":857.259,"body":"and it just takes those little bit of ages off that can just back up sometimes."},{"startTime":857.259,"endTime":863.5,"body":"Yeah, yeah, so it can be so tricky trying to get that balance between, you know, as you said,"},{"startTime":863.899,"endTime":868.059,"body":"exercise makes you better, but if you spend too much time exercising in the relationship or"},{"startTime":868.059,"endTime":874.22,"body":"the work, or something else is going to do, so, you know, Swings and Runabouts can be challenging,"},{"startTime":874.22,"endTime":880.059,"body":"right? Completely challenging. It's not quite an idea. Yeah. Do you want to share your"},{"startTime":880.059,"endTime":886.379,"body":"wife's self-in-member with me? Yes. And I think what will do is we'll get Jono's wife on here as well,"},{"startTime":886.379,"endTime":891.5,"body":"we definitely won't get my wife on here, because that's not going to work out well for me,"},{"startTime":891.5,"endTime":895.179,"body":"I think for the podcast. Yeah, and we're awesome for the airside of the story, right?"},{"startTime":897.179,"endTime":900.86,"body":"And I think it's really exciting. You make it sound like you got all your shit, all the ducks are in"},{"startTime":900.86,"endTime":911.74,"body":"a row. No, so far from her, and Sarah's different with Jono, you know, and each relationship is"},{"startTime":911.74,"endTime":916.94,"body":"different, and each people have different perspectives, but you've also got really different things going"},{"startTime":917.019,"endTime":923.659,"body":"on at home. Yes. And, you know, yeah, we had one child, and then no two, and then no three,"},{"startTime":924.299,"endTime":930.139,"body":"and I'm keeping going and wanting to sort of step things up and keep going on on features,"},{"startTime":930.139,"endTime":937.82,"body":"and when they're super young, that's intense. But when they're older, they can come with you."},{"startTime":937.82,"endTime":947.34,"body":"Yeah. They can do. Holder, they're not. 13, 10, and 8, and they've each found completely different"},{"startTime":947.34,"endTime":954.139,"body":"things to what we've been until. Yep. So Toby does ride cycling. Yes, some on. I think it's inspired by"},{"startTime":954.22,"endTime":962.86,"body":"your ride to Capri. It's a much better ride. You can actually ride. Yeah, I'm very"},{"startTime":966.46,"endTime":973.659,"body":"yeah, double useless or a bike. And yeah, someone does dance, musical theatre, and"},{"startTime":974.62,"endTime":981.98,"body":"and Lockie. He's just he's under soccer. He actually quite likes the water. Cool. And so it's just"},{"startTime":981.98,"endTime":987.34,"body":"like they're into the air thing, just get in behind it. Whatever spins their wheels,"},{"startTime":987.34,"endTime":993.98,"body":"actually. Yeah. And just yeah, we just want to get in behind that. If they feel confident and"},{"startTime":993.98,"endTime":999.82,"body":"got out the bed, they're totally awesome. They got mates outside the house, they're in the sunshine,"},{"startTime":999.82,"endTime":1008.7,"body":"yep, 100%. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. Okay. So, 10, a couple of 10 keys under there, go surely that you"},{"startTime":1008.779,"endTime":1013.259,"body":"you're done and dust it last time, time to spend time with the family, right? So there's a bit of"},{"startTime":1013.259,"endTime":1020.22,"body":"family stuff going on, just trying to keep the lights on with work. Jillian and my swam squad at Glenn"},{"startTime":1020.22,"endTime":1028.619,"body":"Inners at YMCA, went across the 220k swim over at Rotten East Island, so Perth out to Rotten East."},{"startTime":1028.619,"endTime":1037.099,"body":"Yeah. And she went and did that, and I was like, well, and she came back in three months later,"},{"startTime":1037.099,"endTime":1043.819,"body":"was like, I think you might go and do it again. It was amazing. And I was like, just sat on that"},{"startTime":1043.819,"endTime":1049.66,"body":"and had a bit of a chat with Michelle and signed up for that. So that was that was a pretty"},{"startTime":1050.7,"endTime":1057.019,"body":"again terrifying swim. And epic adventure like, let's go on a plane trip then Michelle,"},{"startTime":1058.38,"endTime":1064.539,"body":"and the two older ones stayed at home, and Michelle was four months pregnant at the time,"},{"startTime":1064.7,"endTime":1069.9,"body":"she came out on the boat. But Jillian and I swam together, and we had another couple of swimmers"},{"startTime":1069.9,"endTime":1077.579,"body":"over from New Zealand as well. And yeah, it was a really cool experience. It wasn't an easy swim."},{"startTime":1079.42,"endTime":1084.94,"body":"So you're going to have a proper boat as well as a kayaker with you on that swam line?"},{"startTime":1084.94,"endTime":1089.42,"body":"Yeah. So, you know, you're staying on the beach, and it sucks in the morning, and they"},{"startTime":1089.42,"endTime":1094.059,"body":"sit you off and waves of 100 swimmers. There are 300 solo swimmers, and then there's about"},{"startTime":1094.059,"endTime":1100.22,"body":"1,500 people doing on teams. And it's on news every night for the entire week because it's sponsored"},{"startTime":1100.22,"endTime":1106.539,"body":"by the news network. And it's massive. So ocean swimming all over the media and Perth,"},{"startTime":1106.539,"endTime":1111.579,"body":"it's hilarious from like, oh, there's about 10 people doing this. And you're like, no, it really"},{"startTime":1111.579,"endTime":1117.66,"body":"does like 10k, 20k swimmers, really? Yes. And it's like, this is bonkers. And so you turn up,"},{"startTime":1117.66,"endTime":1123.42,"body":"and you see like 500 boats, one kilometre out. And you've got to swim out, find your kayak."},{"startTime":1124.7,"endTime":1130.46,"body":"And then that kayak takes you to the boat, which is 2k, actually. And then you swim for the next"},{"startTime":1130.46,"endTime":1134.7,"body":"18k's with a boat beside you. So there's like a balloon on the kayak, or the swimmer's got a"},{"startTime":1134.7,"endTime":1140.46,"body":"balloon on, or a pink cap. I'm the only one with a pink cap. Yeah. So you kind of, there's 50 of"},{"startTime":1140.46,"endTime":1146.22,"body":"you with pink caps. Yeah. So, yeah, our crowd just had a yacht. And so they said we're going to be"},{"startTime":1146.22,"endTime":1151.9,"body":"at the far left. We're not like a launch. So we have less capability and movement."},{"startTime":1153.019,"endTime":1157.74,"body":"Some of these are the ones and we're less confident. So we're going to peel out the left. So"},{"startTime":1157.74,"endTime":1164.22,"body":"that was pretty easy to get to. And we don't have any issues. So that was cold. But yeah, I go out"},{"startTime":1164.22,"endTime":1168.7,"body":"in first 10k's. We were just going a little bit slow. We're trying to break six hours. We don't"},{"startTime":1169.019,"endTime":1175.66,"body":"do it. We don't have six and a half. But I remember just breaking it at about 16, 14k's or something."},{"startTime":1175.66,"endTime":1181.819,"body":"Julia was just flying. And I was like, what is she doing? She's sprinting. And every feed stop I'd"},{"startTime":1181.819,"endTime":1187.339,"body":"have, I'd have a loo stop. And then she just took them off. And I try and catch her up. And it was"},{"startTime":1187.339,"endTime":1193.259,"body":"getting harder and harder. So for 2k's, it was actually probably 4k's. I just had some massive"},{"startTime":1193.259,"endTime":1199.099,"body":"struggle. And she was just smoking me. And then in the last 2k's, I just got this ray of sunshine"},{"startTime":1199.099,"endTime":1203.66,"body":"coming through. And I was just like, the finish line's coming. I can see the lighthouse. I'm getting"},{"startTime":1203.66,"endTime":1209.18,"body":"closer. The pub's open and pumping the music's going. There's heat of people and boats as"},{"startTime":1209.18,"endTime":1215.9,"body":"epic. And I was just on like, yeah, just on a high. It was amazing. And his chest boats"},{"startTime":1215.9,"endTime":1222.46,"body":"even really choppers. I had a chopper fly over board. And I was like, oh, Julia, this is so cool."},{"startTime":1222.46,"endTime":1225.019,"body":"She's like, what do you think, the freaking chopper time?"},{"startTime":1232.7,"endTime":1237.819,"body":"So I'm going to sharpen it. I'll free me into it and stuff. It was a weird experience."},{"startTime":1237.819,"endTime":1242.299,"body":"It's just like, oh, God. And people have been eating on the beach. I was like,"},{"startTime":1242.299,"endTime":1248.38,"body":"you know, three or four people. And it's the start by any series. But it was cool."},{"startTime":1248.38,"endTime":1251.42,"body":"But they've never had any issues in the race itself, right?"},{"startTime":1251.42,"endTime":1257.98,"body":"No, they've had a couple. They caught off the race entirely once with a shark."},{"startTime":1258.7,"endTime":1266.059,"body":"And they pulled out a whole group of summers when they had another shark. And some people got"},{"startTime":1266.059,"endTime":1270.22,"body":"through and got there and the slow ones down the back were okay. And the ones in the middle"},{"startTime":1270.22,"endTime":1276.94,"body":"were all got pulled out. So yeah, they've had a couple. But it's so well run, massive"},{"startTime":1276.94,"endTime":1283.18,"body":"briefings. It's all recorded. Like, it's so slick. And you go, well, this is what it could be."},{"startTime":1283.18,"endTime":1286.299,"body":"Yeah. You know, what could it be here in New Zealand?"},{"startTime":1286.299,"endTime":1293.099,"body":"It could be as big or bigger. Yes, yeah. But beautiful swim. And you're basically swimming out."},{"startTime":1293.099,"endTime":1297.42,"body":"It feels like a reef or something. You can see the bottom for about three quarters of this"},{"startTime":1297.42,"endTime":1302.46,"body":"one. Yeah. And it's clear as anything. Ten metres deep. You've got this beautiful"},{"startTime":1302.46,"endTime":1307.099,"body":"like sea swat, the sea we're just swishing on the bottom. And you're just like, are you kidding me?"},{"startTime":1307.099,"endTime":1313.099,"body":"Oh, that is so glowy. It was just beautiful. And it's cold over there. It's like 2021."},{"startTime":1313.099,"endTime":1317.18,"body":"Like I was thinking, per se, our 40 degrees. It's going to be roasting there. Oh, no, it's the same"},{"startTime":1317.18,"endTime":1324.22,"body":"as here. Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah. But that's quick swimming, right? So the long stuff that you've"},{"startTime":1324.22,"endTime":1329.579,"body":"done up until this stage, you're still racing it if it's a few yards. Trying to figure out how to"},{"startTime":1329.579,"endTime":1334.7,"body":"raise it. Yeah. Like trying to figure out what kind of a pace can we go. Yeah. And generally,"},{"startTime":1334.7,"endTime":1342.22,"body":"and I were really similar pace at different swims. And we would just be just to improve, to improve."},{"startTime":1343.259,"endTime":1348.539,"body":"And it's really nice having a partner like that. Like, it just helped with the emotional load."},{"startTime":1348.539,"endTime":1353.259,"body":"Like, I would always just lock and spot her. And just knew that she was there. And it was just"},{"startTime":1353.339,"endTime":1359.98,"body":"like, oh, really can't be. Yeah. I hate swimming by myself for training. I'm terrified of sharks."},{"startTime":1359.98,"endTime":1362.859,"body":"Just absolutely terrified of sharks. Don't like going out."},{"startTime":1362.859,"endTime":1369.18,"body":"Sharks don't like bankers from what I'm just saying. Yeah. So there's many things that don't like"},{"startTime":1376.38,"endTime":1381.74,"body":"yeah. So that was, yeah. So that was really cool to have that experience. And then came back"},{"startTime":1381.74,"endTime":1387.18,"body":"and the first day I got back at work. I was just like, man, I'm going back to work."},{"startTime":1387.18,"endTime":1395.099,"body":"That's shit. I don't want to be here. So we goes, oh, there's a dude on like the third floor is"},{"startTime":1395.099,"endTime":1401.019,"body":"like organizing a swim from Y Hickey Island into the sleep. I'm like, Jesus, who's that? So,"},{"startTime":1401.019,"endTime":1407.579,"body":"you know, got on, got on touch. And I was staying up the first Y Hickey swim. And so that was a"},{"startTime":1407.579,"endTime":1412.539,"body":"month later. And it just gave me something. I would have got to go on into a mess of Dana because"},{"startTime":1412.539,"endTime":1417.019,"body":"you don't have to bring a swim. Yeah, you do. We need to figure that psychology out."},{"startTime":1418.22,"endTime":1423.74,"body":"Because it's definitely like somebody called it the Breonna. She was like, yeah, it's like"},{"startTime":1423.74,"endTime":1432.539,"body":"it's like a post-traumatic PTSD valve after a big swim. Which is interesting because I mean,"},{"startTime":1432.539,"endTime":1437.259,"body":"it shouldn't be. No, but the same thing happens. He's talked to the guys who've done the comrades,"},{"startTime":1437.259,"endTime":1442.94,"body":"you know, the big runs and things. Yeah. Three, it's just a common thing. I think you just got to"},{"startTime":1442.94,"endTime":1448.619,"body":"know that it's likely to happen and have a bit of a strategy to how to deal with it. I think it's"},{"startTime":1448.619,"endTime":1455.019,"body":"really interesting. John, I helped me with that because he said just expect a down, expect a really"},{"startTime":1455.019,"endTime":1462.38,"body":"big down. Yeah. And it was really good advice to actually have to know that that's a likely thing"},{"startTime":1462.539,"endTime":1468.7,"body":"that it's normal. Yeah. If you're normalised, then it's easier to deal with. Yeah, and lots of"},{"startTime":1468.7,"endTime":1474.299,"body":"people were just like, wow, you know, and you should be in celebration mode. And it's interesting."},{"startTime":1474.299,"endTime":1479.9,"body":"I think you should celebrate these things because it's really good for you. It's really good on"},{"startTime":1479.9,"endTime":1486.299,"body":"so many levels. And you can put it to work in many areas in your life. But to celebrate it,"},{"startTime":1487.259,"endTime":1493.019,"body":"you don't need to be key. You humble all the time and just be really low-key. Yeah, I think."},{"startTime":1493.019,"endTime":1498.059,"body":"You know, it's actually used that was totally awesome. It was a great day. I learnt so much."},{"startTime":1498.059,"endTime":1506.539,"body":"I'm an agent. Yeah. Yeah, like, no. And you do kind of want it. I have really mixed feelings"},{"startTime":1506.539,"endTime":1512.299,"body":"about it because part of me is like, wants to run down the line and do high-fives with everybody."},{"startTime":1512.299,"endTime":1517.98,"body":"And it's like, it's totally joyous. And there's a lot of people that are really behind you"},{"startTime":1517.98,"endTime":1525.579,"body":"and that and just actually, and just celebrate with you. Yes. And that's awesome. And you know,"},{"startTime":1525.579,"endTime":1530.859,"body":"there might be some other people out there that don't feel that and that's kind of cool. But you"},{"startTime":1530.859,"endTime":1536.299,"body":"don't want to be a duck about it. But you know, you want to be okay with it. I was talking to Brian"},{"startTime":1536.299,"endTime":1541.66,"body":"and he ended up chatting to this guy with his wife and everything and this guy was talking to me"},{"startTime":1541.66,"endTime":1545.18,"body":"and he says, oh, you know, you're a swimmer. You know, there was a guy who was swimmer on"},{"startTime":1545.18,"endTime":1549.9,"body":"Wahiki Island and Brian's. Yeah. And then his wife came along and said, did you know that"},{"startTime":1549.9,"endTime":1557.099,"body":"that was Brian? Oh, is that Brian? Yeah. Absolutely celebration. Yeah, he was trying to sort of play."},{"startTime":1557.099,"endTime":1566.059,"body":"Yeah. That's me. I'm not percents, right? Yeah. Okay, so I came back from the 20k and then got"},{"startTime":1566.059,"endTime":1573.5,"body":"involved with Wahiki to send ideas. Yeah, further on actually into mechanics. But he"},{"startTime":1573.5,"endTime":1578.94,"body":"rightly, the rescue helicopter finished. Yes. Well, it's not there now, but like right at that"},{"startTime":1578.94,"endTime":1583.9,"body":"base. Yeah. That was amazing coming. Like there was only eight of us doing it that day. Yeah."},{"startTime":1585.099,"endTime":1591.18,"body":"felt like a never been done before adventure. And those are the best adventures I reckon."},{"startTime":1591.18,"endTime":1595.579,"body":"You know, it's like you're breaking ground. I definitely wasn't breaking ground because"},{"startTime":1595.579,"endTime":1598.94,"body":"me and Jillian were down the back in the space and throughout the front. So that's all good."},{"startTime":1599.819,"endTime":1605.579,"body":"But we had really good weather. The wind was behind us perfectly and the currents were good."},{"startTime":1606.22,"endTime":1613.259,"body":"And we came in in like five and a half hours. And we were the last two in. And they sent"},{"startTime":1613.259,"endTime":1618.46,"body":"out the rescue helicopter 200 meters from the finish at the break order. Yeah. And they dropped one"},{"startTime":1618.46,"endTime":1625.099,"body":"of the guys on the chopper, you know, doing the whole rescue. Yeah. Rescue hands crossed on the"},{"startTime":1625.099,"endTime":1629.98,"body":"chest into the water. And I was in this thing's right over the time of you spraying like everything"},{"startTime":1629.98,"endTime":1635.099,"body":"you were doing. And I was just like, holy smoke, it just doesn't get any better. Jillian's like,"},{"startTime":1635.099,"endTime":1641.98,"body":"can we just hurry up into the finish? 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Just freaking birds everywhere. And"},{"startTime":1682.779,"endTime":1687.5,"body":"these guys decided straight through the muddle. Yeah. And I was like, no, that's fine."},{"startTime":1688.539,"endTime":1695.259,"body":"I don't know what's going on anything. Yeah. And I did a massive detour. And I literally swam"},{"startTime":1695.259,"endTime":1700.46,"body":"around this whole thing and caught them back up again. I wasn't too keen to go through that day."},{"startTime":1700.46,"endTime":1707.5,"body":"That was probably a wise approach. I was just thinking, man, these are wild animals. They're"},{"startTime":1707.579,"endTime":1712.22,"body":"used to living out there. I'm sure they can miss somebody as big as me. Yeah."},{"startTime":1712.22,"endTime":1718.539,"body":"I do not look like a fish. So I just thought, luckily, I don't have a big sort of imagination."},{"startTime":1718.539,"endTime":1724.779,"body":"I can just sort of turn off the brain and just go. No, I can't. Yeah, because I can't be used."},{"startTime":1724.779,"endTime":1732.059,"body":"Very no, I can't. I did it as part of a tame from the bank. And there were three of us,"},{"startTime":1732.059,"endTime":1740.46,"body":"doing a little four of us. And so I was in the water. And coming up to the end of my half-hour"},{"startTime":1740.46,"endTime":1745.9,"body":"swim slot in the kayak, it came over to me. And I was like, I do, I need to get out and go to"},{"startTime":1745.9,"endTime":1754.46,"body":"the boat. And he's like, no, there's a whale lead. And I was like, what? So I looked straight"},{"startTime":1754.46,"endTime":1761.5,"body":"ahead. And probably 200 metres further up is in the water, just coming out of the water and over."},{"startTime":1761.5,"endTime":1768.299,"body":"And I just like, wow, that was unbelievable. And I wasn't scared at all. Like,"},{"startTime":1768.299,"endTime":1773.019,"body":"and I don't know anything about all this. I've never come across one in my life. So you call"},{"startTime":1773.019,"endTime":1781.099,"body":"give me, okay, not to kill a whale. Yes. Yeah. So we had actually a lake. And then someone"},{"startTime":1781.099,"endTime":1787.099,"body":"really showed us that they've never actually killed a human. Yeah. In the wild. Yes."},{"startTime":1788.059,"endTime":1795.579,"body":"And so I was just seeing an oar of this oarca, just peeling out the water. And the kayak"},{"startTime":1795.579,"endTime":1802.779,"body":"was like, get over to the boat now. So I was like, oh, Roger that, okay, look serious. So swim over,"},{"startTime":1802.779,"endTime":1808.14,"body":"hopped up on the treadsome. And the oarca came under the boat and popped up and had a little"},{"startTime":1808.14,"endTime":1814.7,"body":"bay with it. And had a big stingray, kept out the mouth. And it was a metre from it. And I'd"},{"startTime":1814.7,"endTime":1819.339,"body":"only just got up like five seconds before. Just coming to sound. Wow. And I was just like,"},{"startTime":1820.22,"endTime":1826.94,"body":"and then the whole boat's lucky at me. You think I'm absolutely cacking myself. Yes."},{"startTime":1826.94,"endTime":1832.14,"body":"And I'm like, so I'll just get back in there. And they're like, are you sure? Are you sure?"},{"startTime":1832.94,"endTime":1837.339,"body":"And I'm like, well, yeah, it's okay. And they're ready, ready to own to all the other"},{"startTime":1837.339,"endTime":1843.66,"body":"suns and all that. But like what I highlight, like amazing to see. That would be so cool."},{"startTime":1843.66,"endTime":1849.98,"body":"Yeah. So absolutely brilliant. Yeah. So I went swimming a couple of weeks ago."},{"startTime":1850.779,"endTime":1858.38,"body":"Cam was back in the morning with with my little swimming buddy, Shazil. And we went out and back."},{"startTime":1858.38,"endTime":1864.14,"body":"And we sort of came out of the water at about seven o'clock in the morning. 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And also, you know, in my head, it felt like it was like half an"},{"startTime":1951.579,"endTime":1957.42,"body":"hour, but it was probably 20 seconds. And as soon as it sort of beached the water, you know, I was like,"},{"startTime":1957.42,"endTime":1963.5,"body":"okay, I'm all good, right? But I don't know what I would do if an Orca popped up next to me."},{"startTime":1964.22,"endTime":1970.539,"body":"I'd like to think I'd be, you know, give it a pattern, you know, or good, but I think I would scream"},{"startTime":1970.539,"endTime":1978.14,"body":"and walk on water and have to change my tongue. The guidance, like, don't go with 200 meters or"},{"startTime":1978.14,"endTime":1983.099,"body":"something. They say, yeah, just do well. And I know that's probably going to be a guidance."},{"startTime":1984.7,"endTime":1989.74,"body":"Okay. Yeah. Well, my thinking on that one is, I don't mind staying 200 meters away,"},{"startTime":1989.74,"endTime":1997.339,"body":"is whether they want to do the same rules. Yeah, because, you know, if they want to swim close to"},{"startTime":1997.339,"endTime":2002.94,"body":"you, you got no chance because they just move so much faster and smoother. Yeah, I kind of"},{"startTime":2002.94,"endTime":2007.74,"body":"stand back and just try and do the respect thing with the dolphins and just see if they want to"},{"startTime":2007.74,"endTime":2012.22,"body":"interact, you know, like, yeah, I just want to run, I've run down the beach, like, when they're at"},{"startTime":2012.22,"endTime":2015.259,"body":"the beach, I'm going to run down the beach to get in the water and I've done it in the middle of"},{"startTime":2015.259,"endTime":2018.619,"body":"winter and, you know, Michelle and I have done it down the bottom of the South London."},{"startTime":2018.619,"endTime":2027.259,"body":"Yeah. Just with dolphins. Yeah. Yeah. And, yeah, and the Cat Lunds just saw them and just"},{"startTime":2027.259,"endTime":2032.46,"body":"ran 400 meters down the beach and it was freezing and we were screaming and getting in the water."},{"startTime":2033.339,"endTime":2039.259,"body":"This is a pretty winter song. Yes. And, you know, it was just, it was exhilarating and terrifying"},{"startTime":2039.259,"endTime":2042.94,"body":"at the same time. Did you make it to the pot? Yeah. We got the air in and you were three or four"},{"startTime":2042.94,"endTime":2048.059,"body":"just diving through your waves and it was just, it was unbelievable. It's just cool. Oh, yeah."},{"startTime":2048.059,"endTime":2053.5,"body":"Yeah. It was super cool. Yeah. So, so in the ideal world, we'll be able to quit our jobs at the"},{"startTime":2053.5,"endTime":2059.099,"body":"bank and wherever we are and just do these adventures all day long, right? Yeah. That sounds pretty good."},{"startTime":2060.139,"endTime":2065.5,"body":"But maybe the adventure is actually worth it because it's an easy everyday life and occasionally"},{"startTime":2065.5,"endTime":2069.659,"body":"you get this little gym there comes along and it makes it stand out a little bit more."},{"startTime":2069.659,"endTime":2073.019,"body":"That's why I swim through winter because it makes me appreciate some of them all."},{"startTime":2075.179,"endTime":2080.86,"body":"I got to do that swimming in the water. I got to approach. Go through a lot of hardship to get"},{"startTime":2080.86,"endTime":2086.86,"body":"the reward. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Getting in the water is, I'm such a wusset. I'm totally useless"},{"startTime":2086.86,"endTime":2094.78,"body":"at it. So, I haven't done any winter swimming at all. Yeah. When I go down on the Corridor"},{"startTime":2095.42,"endTime":2102.38,"body":"I would go down there at Christmas time and I pretty much wouldn't get in until January or"},{"startTime":2102.38,"endTime":2110.139,"body":"sometimes February because I'm like, this is too cold. Yeah. I never like swimming in cold water."},{"startTime":2110.139,"endTime":2118.059,"body":"At all. I always like the warm water and we tend that I confess to Michelle last summer."},{"startTime":2118.94,"endTime":2124.619,"body":"We were at the beach and I said, I don't like swimming in the ocean. I don't actually like swimming."},{"startTime":2124.78,"endTime":2130.3,"body":"I'm scared. I'm sorry I'm the sea. I had it from my childhood going out to Redland and Carfair"},{"startTime":2130.3,"endTime":2135.739,"body":"and I was terrified of rips and being taken out under the ocean and I just didn't have the skills"},{"startTime":2135.739,"endTime":2143.26,"body":"to handle being in the waves. And she just was looking at me like, what? Yeah. After all these things"},{"startTime":2143.26,"endTime":2151.42,"body":"we've done. Yeah. And I'm like, yeah, I don't actually fundamentally like it and I'm scared."},{"startTime":2152.139,"endTime":2157.98,"body":"But a healthy way to stay just good right? Yeah. I think it's wise and I've gone into a bit of grief"},{"startTime":2157.98,"endTime":2165.26,"body":"on a couple of trading swims. Bow us up by myself and out with Johnnie a couple of times in"},{"startTime":2165.26,"endTime":2171.659,"body":"Caitlin and there's a couple of moments there where you just go, that's just going pretty close"},{"startTime":2171.659,"endTime":2177.9,"body":"the edge of what I can do or should do. Yeah, I can tell you a couple of swims that I've been on"},{"startTime":2177.9,"endTime":2186.78,"body":"for a few more. Yeah, give us an example. 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Yeah, I started winter swimming"},{"startTime":2218.94,"endTime":2225.019,"body":"just because I decided after doing those 20k swims that I should try and swim in the Cooks straight"},{"startTime":2225.019,"endTime":2230.46,"body":"and it'd been sitting in the back of my life. Which is cold. And it's cold. 14 degrees is what you're"},{"startTime":2230.46,"endTime":2236.059,"body":"probably looking at up to 16 if you're lucky. All that's just Auckland in winter. So you're going"},{"startTime":2236.059,"endTime":2243.179,"body":"to have to do it. So I signed up for that rush in May or June and I just decided that we could"},{"startTime":2243.179,"endTime":2251.98,"body":"night the start. Just like with the cold water. Yeah, so I came to Takapona and hopped on and I was"},{"startTime":2251.98,"endTime":2258.78,"body":"just screaming like a baby and I was just I hated it and I still hate it. I still hate going on"},{"startTime":2258.86,"endTime":2266.3,"body":"but yeah, that first 100 meters, 200 meters of just like you're just screaming underwater because"},{"startTime":2266.3,"endTime":2273.659,"body":"it's just so painful, so sore, so counterinsured of messing with your brain. And then after 400"},{"startTime":2273.659,"endTime":2279.019,"body":"meters you start to burn for that first kilometre and all that bloods rushing into your core."},{"startTime":2279.019,"endTime":2283.34,"body":"That's the cool part of it. And that's quite a good feeling. And then the rest of it's kind of"},{"startTime":2283.34,"endTime":2288.219,"body":"okay to a point and then sometimes it can get really uncomfortable. If you go number two"},{"startTime":2288.219,"endTime":2293.34,"body":"five. Yeah, yeah. And there've been definitely something like that. So I really struggled with"},{"startTime":2293.34,"endTime":2299.579,"body":"the cold water. And that first winter, I don't think I adapted very much at all. We did one"},{"startTime":2300.619,"endTime":2307.98,"body":"three, like 10k one, three four hours one. And I just came out and asked purple and like"},{"startTime":2307.98,"endTime":2313.26,"body":"these photos of me coming out on the beach and after shaking the whole way walking up and just"},{"startTime":2313.34,"endTime":2321.42,"body":"you know, pretty hypothermia and definitely purple. And it took me, it would take me an hour"},{"startTime":2321.42,"endTime":2326.139,"body":"to film my left foot and it would take me two hours to film my right foot. And I'd be shaking"},{"startTime":2326.139,"endTime":2331.9,"body":"like us with cups of coffee for at least an hour. It was always a bit of a joke, you know, you guys"},{"startTime":2331.9,"endTime":2337.98,"body":"sitting at a cafe and stuff sometimes and you know, just sitting up there with a beta bay crew"},{"startTime":2337.98,"endTime":2342.38,"body":"and just, you know, I'd be the one doing this and they're all just looking at me and I'm trying to"},{"startTime":2342.38,"endTime":2348.699,"body":"get it in my cup of coffee. You've got to have a lid on. I really need some warmth for some"},{"startTime":2348.699,"endTime":2355.82,"body":"caffeine and some energy. That's really done hard. Yeah. So some of those hard ones were"},{"startTime":2355.82,"endTime":2361.34,"body":"that first winter training. It's just maybe too much to soon type thing. You definitely have to"},{"startTime":2361.34,"endTime":2367.739,"body":"apply my tires and learn how to do it, I think. Yeah, I agree. And I think for me, the second"},{"startTime":2367.739,"endTime":2373.9,"body":"winter was better. And the third winter was really okay, you know, and that's just a body"},{"startTime":2373.9,"endTime":2379.26,"body":"adaptation. But I think it was also a mental adaptation. Yeah, because I think all the cold water"},{"startTime":2379.26,"endTime":2383.659,"body":"kills off the brain cells and it becomes, you know, easier because you're stupider."},{"startTime":2383.739,"endTime":2393.659,"body":"Yeah, I couldn't call some of them. Yeah, so some of those trainings, so I'm sorry to look back."},{"startTime":2395.019,"endTime":2403.5,"body":"Free reign sometimes. The, yeah, John, he was awesome because he would just"},{"startTime":2404.78,"endTime":2410.139,"body":"touch base every week and it'd be like, right, and we would go out for Sunday swim. So I'll do a"},{"startTime":2410.139,"endTime":2416.139,"body":"Saturday swim out from Takapura and there'll be seven or eight, ten people there. And we'd do"},{"startTime":2416.139,"endTime":2421.5,"body":"three Ks or five Ks, but we would often go off a couple of us and do longer swims and do"},{"startTime":2421.5,"endTime":2427.34,"body":"two teens and stuff. Yeah, Sunday was a 10k kind of a day and we would do that a lot in"},{"startTime":2427.34,"endTime":2434.78,"body":"two teens and 12s and 15s and things. So yeah, one day, and John, after he did Cook's straight,"},{"startTime":2434.78,"endTime":2439.019,"body":"was really inspiring, you know, and he turned up, which was two hours of his swim was massive,"},{"startTime":2439.019,"endTime":2444.059,"body":"say, his two-meter seas. And then it sort of fled and out over the day, but he said he'd never"},{"startTime":2444.059,"endTime":2449.099,"body":"seen anything like it. So, you know, he would just say, come on, let's go out and I didn't like going"},{"startTime":2449.099,"endTime":2455.019,"body":"out. I get really seasick on boats. 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And so I'd just turn around and go to the coffee shop and go how"},{"startTime":2493.179,"endTime":2497.34,"body":"him I thought it was me. But because you're going with one of your batteries, you're signing up"},{"startTime":2497.34,"endTime":2502.699,"body":"and it's a contract and you're a doer. So the lady saw us from out the back of the breakers"},{"startTime":2502.699,"endTime":2512.699,"body":"and people left and just we just disappeared after several days. And we came back. We only"},{"startTime":2512.699,"endTime":2517.98,"body":"swim for a while and came back and had done about an hour and I threw up out of the back. And see,"},{"startTime":2517.98,"endTime":2523.099,"body":"John, I think I'm just going to actually come in, like, fill your boats if you want to carry on."},{"startTime":2523.099,"endTime":2527.82,"body":"So he came in with me and we were coming into the beach and there were three police guards."},{"startTime":2529.98,"endTime":2534.619,"body":"And I'd seen the chopper out in the heaps of the ocean swimmers for some reason were on some"},{"startTime":2534.619,"endTime":2541.34,"body":"radio, police radio and it, who, what was going on. So the swimming community knew that I"},{"startTime":2541.42,"endTime":2546.78,"body":"were in the middle of the story. And so I've got this photo of John O. Be having a chat with the"},{"startTime":2546.78,"endTime":2554.059,"body":"coffers. And we just got really like walking out the beach. I'm like, oh shit, okay. I kind of"},{"startTime":2554.059,"endTime":2560.539,"body":"have an inkling of what may have happened. Yes. And why are they even here? Like, we are really"},{"startTime":2560.539,"endTime":2566.86,"body":"going to, like, this is just brilliant about it. Like, we've got to do training. This is what we do."},{"startTime":2566.94,"endTime":2571.659,"body":"And I'm like, dude, I think actually it's a slightly different situation. We need to do a"},{"startTime":2571.659,"endTime":2578.139,"body":"mere culprits with the police here and get out of this way. So I was just like, look, this is"},{"startTime":2578.139,"endTime":2583.179,"body":"the situation. We're really sorry. She didn't know what we're up to, but this is what we do and what"},{"startTime":2583.179,"endTime":2588.539,"body":"we're training for. Yeah, good, good on here, right? For, for racing the, oh, she, the ship. She was"},{"startTime":2588.539,"endTime":2594.539,"body":"concerned. Yeah. So just so funny and we offered to show them a coffee around the corner and"},{"startTime":2594.539,"endTime":2601.26,"body":"stuff. Just, you know, just have tow flights with you. Yes. Yes. Yeah. We swam with tow flights"},{"startTime":2601.26,"endTime":2606.78,"body":"every single time. Oh, I was a surf life saving duty officer at that time, but I wasn't on duty"},{"startTime":2606.78,"endTime":2611.98,"body":"that day. And I saw some of these messages coming through. So I phoned up and I said, guys,"},{"startTime":2611.98,"endTime":2617.579,"body":"you got to close this down. Those guys are okay. Yeah. I saw John at this morning. Yeah. It's"},{"startTime":2617.579,"endTime":2624.38,"body":"fine. Yeah. Because it's down. We got so many messages after that. And I was like, where did"},{"startTime":2624.38,"endTime":2630.78,"body":"this come from? Like, who's, who's like, oh, I'm this? Yeah. So that was kind of funny. Another time"},{"startTime":2630.78,"endTime":2635.739,"body":"just did a 10k swam with Caitlin and John, and swam five cases down one way, got to the end,"},{"startTime":2635.739,"endTime":2641.579,"body":"turned around. And I just wasn't feeling very good. We've gone down really fast and I turned around"},{"startTime":2641.659,"endTime":2648.78,"body":"and I just mentally opted out. And I just swam, you know, lots of, lots of stops. And with"},{"startTime":2648.78,"endTime":2653.739,"body":"about, okay, now to go, I just got out and walked along the sea wall the entire way that's"},{"startTime":2653.739,"endTime":2660.059,"body":"my own beach. It was like a walk of shame. Yes. And we've all been there the whole time. I'm glad"},{"startTime":2660.059,"endTime":2664.78,"body":"you've been here. Yeah. Okay. It's just a clever one. We did there. You're good. Thanks for"},{"startTime":2664.78,"endTime":2670.38,"body":"emotional support. Yeah. So I just felt like shit. And I was just walking there just going"},{"startTime":2670.38,"endTime":2675.099,"body":"there's no way I'm going to swim that cook straight. I'm not good enough. I'm shit. I keep"},{"startTime":2675.099,"endTime":2680.86,"body":"mentally honest. This is how long before the cook straight now? That's probably like three months"},{"startTime":2680.86,"endTime":2690.94,"body":"before. Can't say that. Yeah. So I got to the end and I'm like, guys, see ya. And I drive home and"},{"startTime":2690.94,"endTime":2697.659,"body":"I was just mentally beating myself up and I got home and walked in the door and saw the shell"},{"startTime":2697.659,"endTime":2705.019,"body":"and just went, this is what's happened. That was terrible. But you know, this is where my"},{"startTime":2705.019,"endTime":2712.699,"body":"head's at. And she said, bad day, you go into the pool tomorrow. And that was it. It was like,"},{"startTime":2713.5,"endTime":2719.579,"body":"it was the most simple and beautiful advice. She knew that was just a terrible day. Yeah. Just"},{"startTime":2719.579,"endTime":2725.579,"body":"ride it off. Yeah. Just park it. And you've got to go something tomorrow. You got it. You got it."},{"startTime":2725.579,"endTime":2732.059,"body":"Just turn up. Yeah. And I was just like, okay, and I did. And it worked. And that's because,"},{"startTime":2732.059,"endTime":2738.539,"body":"like, she was in New Zealand. So I had heat to see bags and understood sport and understood"},{"startTime":2738.539,"endTime":2743.659,"body":"kind of what's going on. And some days you have terrible days. Yeah. Does she ever get"},{"startTime":2743.659,"endTime":2749.019,"body":"concerned, like, hey, you know, you know, you know, father, you've got three young kids like,"},{"startTime":2749.019,"endTime":2755.659,"body":"why you doing this stupid stuff? Yeah. I think there is some of that. And I think it's"},{"startTime":2755.659,"endTime":2762.78,"body":"probably more from a perspective of, there's an expectation of, you know, we have a partnership"},{"startTime":2763.34,"endTime":2767.34,"body":"and we both want to be really good parents and really intentional and be there for our kids."},{"startTime":2768.46,"endTime":2773.579,"body":"And this stuff isn't helping that. You know, I think it was more around"},{"startTime":2774.219,"endTime":2781.34,"body":"the time I was taking. But also when I was doing really long training, so I come home and I"},{"startTime":2781.34,"endTime":2786.619,"body":"staffed and often I'd need to have a sleep. And I'd have a sleep three quarters an hour."},{"startTime":2786.619,"endTime":2791.42,"body":"Normally they go up to the cabin out of the bag. And I'll go for a sleep for an hour. And then I'd"},{"startTime":2791.42,"endTime":2797.659,"body":"be, I'd be sweet. Yeah. But I wasn't totally sweet. Yeah. I was just running like 70%. Yeah."},{"startTime":2797.659,"endTime":2802.539,"body":"And it's just not really good energy when you've got mega high energy children running around. Yeah."},{"startTime":2802.539,"endTime":2808.619,"body":"And Michelle's trying to like to 100 things. So she held the thought unbelievably well."},{"startTime":2809.179,"endTime":2816.86,"body":"And the load that she was taking was just the continuation of that load. Got exhausting."},{"startTime":2816.86,"endTime":2823.5,"body":"Sure. And, you know, and I wasn't coming to the party of being a really good partner"},{"startTime":2823.5,"endTime":2827.9,"body":"with holding up my chair of the bag. So I think if you want to do something like this,"},{"startTime":2828.46,"endTime":2831.9,"body":"you've got to be thinking about how are you going to tune up in the other part."},{"startTime":2833.34,"endTime":2836.78,"body":"And I don't think I did a great job of that. So I'd tell I was a pretty"},{"startTime":2836.78,"endTime":2842.3,"body":"least in the bridge husband and father through those pockets of especially the six months of the"},{"startTime":2842.3,"endTime":2850.139,"body":"summers. And Brian, Brian had a bit of a theory where he'd go one big year, one every"},{"startTime":2850.139,"endTime":2855.099,"body":"due top story to balance family and personal life. And, you know, that's up story. Yeah."},{"startTime":2855.099,"endTime":2860.78,"body":"And Mark. Yeah. Yeah. He's kind of got a, he has done that. It's working a little different"},{"startTime":2860.78,"endTime":2865.82,"body":"key for him at the moment, but he's still being quite focused on making sure that the family"},{"startTime":2865.82,"endTime":2871.9,"body":"balance kind of fits in because he's got a big goal in mind. And he's working hard at the moment,"},{"startTime":2871.9,"endTime":2878.619,"body":"but he's very conscious of everything else that's going around. And I think it changes as we"},{"startTime":2879.26,"endTime":2885.099,"body":"as we get older as the family gets older as, yeah, things are just different and you've got to"},{"startTime":2885.099,"endTime":2889.42,"body":"take it here by year, I think. Yes. What would have worked three years ago? It doesn't necessarily"},{"startTime":2889.5,"endTime":2897.179,"body":"work this year. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. There's a good adaptable approach, you know. What is a sort of a pre-cooked"},{"startTime":2897.179,"endTime":2903.26,"body":"straight training load look like for you? So being five or six days a week, I'd swim squads"},{"startTime":2904.86,"endTime":2912.139,"body":"three days a week. 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So I would say I signed up to Cox straight to try and give me some confidence in myself."},{"startTime":2991.82,"endTime":2996.619,"body":"So I actually think I was fundamentally going towards a pretty decent depression."},{"startTime":2997.579,"endTime":3004.219,"body":"The last two years of the bank, I was pretty terrible. I was tuning up and doing work,"},{"startTime":3004.219,"endTime":3009.5,"body":"but I wasn't really actively engaged. And I was feeling pretty shit about who I was because"},{"startTime":3009.5,"endTime":3016.3,"body":"of how I was being treated and the culture not being open to the direction of what I thought was"},{"startTime":3016.3,"endTime":3023.739,"body":"right. And I kind of got to the point of just, yeah, I found a really hard. So I ended up leaving."},{"startTime":3023.739,"endTime":3032.539,"body":"I resigned with no job to go to. And I couldn't even apply for jobs. That's how I was not in a good"},{"startTime":3032.539,"endTime":3043.659,"body":"place. And I was turning up, but not really functioning kind of state for a long time. And so I"},{"startTime":3043.659,"endTime":3049.659,"body":"actually resigned. And the day I resigned, all that load came off. And I got to a really happy"},{"startTime":3049.659,"endTime":3054.46,"body":"place really quickly. And I wouldn't have a job interview. I said, this is what I'm awesome at."},{"startTime":3054.46,"endTime":3062.219,"body":"This is what I'm useless at. Don't make me do that. If you do this, it'll be awesome for you,"},{"startTime":3062.219,"endTime":3068.219,"body":"and awesome for me, and it will be good. And I only want to wait four days a week. And they were like,"},{"startTime":3069.5,"endTime":3074.3,"body":"and I got out that interview and rang Michelle and said, this is how I played it. She's like,"},{"startTime":3074.38,"endTime":3082.219,"body":"what? I just, I just laid it out totally honestly. And I was who I was. And kind of not"},{"startTime":3082.219,"endTime":3089.34,"body":"to take it a little bit, but actually he's what will work. Because it was so terrible my previous"},{"startTime":3089.34,"endTime":3097.179,"body":"experience. And I was so broken and so functioning. I knew I had to switch it to keep the good back"},{"startTime":3097.98,"endTime":3104.3,"body":"again. And so I got offered one of five roles. So the phase you're back, which ones do you want?"},{"startTime":3104.3,"endTime":3112.78,"body":"And that's okay for me. So I swim on Fridays. And I swim up to 10Ks on the pool."},{"startTime":3112.78,"endTime":3118.38,"body":"Sometimes I go to the ocean, but I do a long session on the pool. And it would generally be 18Ks"},{"startTime":3118.38,"endTime":3123.34,"body":"or something. And then Saturday would be on the ocean. And that might be a five or a seven."},{"startTime":3123.34,"endTime":3128.3,"body":"And then Sunday would be a long one. And it would generally be with Caitlin and Ivan and John Aoyon,"},{"startTime":3128.3,"endTime":3133.9,"body":"whoever would be up for that. And Susan would turn up and will they do some of those adventures and"},{"startTime":3133.9,"endTime":3138.539,"body":"becs and stuff. So you know, so sometimes we'll be in a venture somewhere. Sometimes there"},{"startTime":3138.539,"endTime":3144.38,"body":"would be full steam. Yes. Sometimes it would be medium pace and I'm sure people and this is cool."},{"startTime":3145.099,"endTime":3151.579,"body":"Good people. Yeah. A lot of training, right? Okay. Yeah. So tell us about cook straight."},{"startTime":3152.38,"endTime":3161.5,"body":"So cook straight. I signed up in June thinking it will be in a year and a half."},{"startTime":3162.539,"endTime":3166.219,"body":"I kind of hoped it would be in six months, but it wasn't. So Phil was pretty straight."},{"startTime":3166.219,"endTime":3171.019,"body":"That's not going to get you. Yeah. So trained thinking 18 months."},{"startTime":3174.619,"endTime":3179.739,"body":"I was supposed to be in January and I flew down and I was ready to go and I've been training"},{"startTime":3179.739,"endTime":3183.42,"body":"really hard and it got called off at nine o'clock that night because the wind changed."},{"startTime":3183.42,"endTime":3188.619,"body":"Yeah. And my crop running come down. Phil was there. Hostane and Phil's were ready to go."},{"startTime":3188.619,"endTime":3192.38,"body":"We didn't had a burger and Phil gave me a call. Said the winds picked up."},{"startTime":3192.38,"endTime":3197.34,"body":"The full gas changed. It's not going to happen. So OEMP is placed in a massive bag."},{"startTime":3197.34,"endTime":3201.98,"body":"It's not going to get chips and we're just in TV and we need to be and flew back the next day."},{"startTime":3201.98,"endTime":3205.659,"body":"Yeah. Then I was on notice for the next four months. Yeah."},{"startTime":3205.739,"endTime":3210.46,"body":"Every two weeks is the back ups on it. Yeah. So I had to keep training. Yeah."},{"startTime":3210.46,"endTime":3217.9,"body":"And it just was. So it's a grand day. Yes. So hard. So you know there's six, eight"},{"startTime":3218.94,"endTime":3226.219,"body":"tied slots and you know your heart rate, knowing you're on notice for a one week period or a five day period."},{"startTime":3227.579,"endTime":3232.3,"body":"And you could get the phone call at two o'clock and fly down at six o'clock or seven o'clock"},{"startTime":3232.38,"endTime":3238.38,"body":"in this one the next day. Yeah. And you do that right the whole summer and the label. Yeah."},{"startTime":3238.38,"endTime":3242.78,"body":"So into the summer I was getting really hacked off because I was just like I was seeing this"},{"startTime":3242.78,"endTime":3247.9,"body":"chance disappearing. Yes. And I was like Phil you know can I do it? You know can we do it with"},{"startTime":3247.9,"endTime":3253.5,"body":"other boats? Can we what can we do? My options. Yeah. And you know they didn't go down too well"},{"startTime":3253.5,"endTime":3259.9,"body":"probably. Sure. Because you know. Because it's running. Yeah. He's running a business once"},{"startTime":3259.9,"endTime":3265.5,"body":"actually the whole team. So that was a that caused the fracture in our relationship I suppose."},{"startTime":3266.139,"endTime":3271.34,"body":"He'll forgive you easily man. He's a guy. No he understood I think. Yeah. He's probably"},{"startTime":3271.34,"endTime":3277.019,"body":"hacked off at the time but I think. Yeah. Yeah. Like it all worked out okay in the end but"},{"startTime":3277.019,"endTime":3284.3,"body":"then the second summer. Yeah. My sort of slot was February because February's much more"},{"startTime":3284.3,"endTime":3289.5,"body":"much better than January. Yeah. And it just didn't happen that whole week."},{"startTime":3292.699,"endTime":3299.34,"body":"So it stretched out the whole summer until May. So this is the second summer and I flew down in"},{"startTime":3299.34,"endTime":3305.9,"body":"April and I went down for a two hour swim and I came out and met him for a coffee and I was"},{"startTime":3305.9,"endTime":3312.619,"body":"shaking like a leaf. Yeah. And he's like two hours. Yeah. He's like what you'll call. Yeah. But"},{"startTime":3313.179,"endTime":3319.179,"body":"yeah. You know we're looking at a slot that's the first week in May. Cold. Yeah. It's cold. Yeah."},{"startTime":3320.699,"endTime":3325.659,"body":"Are you up for that? And it was on my sister's birthday. Yeah. And we're having a family reunion"},{"startTime":3325.659,"endTime":3330.699,"body":"in Brisbane with my sister for four days. She's giving up a lot. Yeah. And it was all lined up"},{"startTime":3330.699,"endTime":3334.38,"body":"all booked and nothing can change and my brother was out for three days. But you've been training for"},{"startTime":3334.38,"endTime":3339.5,"body":"two years now for this day. Yeah. So I'm like do I do this swim or do I not? And I was like I"},{"startTime":3339.5,"endTime":3344.699,"body":"don't think I should do this one. Because I didn't think it would be good. And so on the day"},{"startTime":3345.34,"endTime":3350.78,"body":"I'm over and flying to Australia on that day or in Australia and Phil seems to be a picture"},{"startTime":3351.659,"endTime":3357.82,"body":"of the other guy swimming and it's 16 degrees and it's the sun and the ocean's flat. And I'm like"},{"startTime":3358.46,"endTime":3368.139,"body":"yeah. And he's just like so sorry. Yeah. Yeah. And look he got with an 800 metres of the"},{"startTime":3368.139,"endTime":3372.059,"body":"finish and I didn't hit him because there was no time. It was dangerous and the seat's packed up."},{"startTime":3372.059,"endTime":3379.659,"body":"And it was pretty close. Yeah. So I don't know if I would I don't think I would have made it across."},{"startTime":3379.659,"endTime":3386.38,"body":"I don't think I was really because I think my training hit I I've gone to Coramina for six weeks"},{"startTime":3386.38,"endTime":3391.9,"body":"during COVID to stay away from people getting sick. And I wasn't training enough while I was"},{"startTime":3391.9,"endTime":3397.42,"body":"down there. Because I was doing the biggest project of my life at work. And I was working until like"},{"startTime":3397.42,"endTime":3402.059,"body":"midnight every night for weeks. And I was doing like four and five case swans but I should have been"},{"startTime":3402.059,"endTime":3406.699,"body":"doing 10 case swans. Yeah. I didn't want 10 case swans in there. Yeah. So I don't think I was"},{"startTime":3406.699,"endTime":3411.9,"body":"fundamentally ready. And I think Phil was throwing that sort of back. Okay. You're cool dude."},{"startTime":3412.86,"endTime":3425.9,"body":"But I can see he just pretty easy done. So this was 2021. Yeah. Yeah. So no gap in 2020 2021"},{"startTime":3425.9,"endTime":3435.659,"body":"you passed on it. And the training continues. Yeah. Okay. And I was so broken. And Michelle was so broken."},{"startTime":3436.619,"endTime":3441.5,"body":"And it was like really. And so training was pretty light touch."},{"startTime":3442.38,"endTime":3447.019,"body":"Through that. Through that. So you were only a bit of like shopping golf clubs and stuff like that"},{"startTime":3447.019,"endTime":3453.82,"body":"potentially or no no yet. No. Okay. Cool. I was still focused on that. But I was broken."},{"startTime":3453.82,"endTime":3459.099,"body":"Like I just sat there for two months. Like just you know I just had to pick myself up again."},{"startTime":3459.179,"endTime":3466.3,"body":"And I found that I can flick a switch. But sometimes it takes a really really really long time"},{"startTime":3466.3,"endTime":3472.46,"body":"to flick that switch. Yeah. And so I stopped swimming every time we hit our children. I'd stop"},{"startTime":3472.46,"endTime":3477.179,"body":"stop for a year. And the first time it was a month to get back. And the second time it was two"},{"startTime":3477.179,"endTime":3482.3,"body":"months. And the last time it was about four months to get back to. Okay. I can handle swans."},{"startTime":3482.3,"endTime":3487.82,"body":"I'm and I'm committed. That's all good. I'm growing out. Yeah. So it took a while to get back."},{"startTime":3488.539,"endTime":3494.78,"body":"Yeah. Winter was really hard just to keep tuning up. And Caitlin was super helpful. John I was"},{"startTime":3494.78,"endTime":3501.019,"body":"getting faster and faster. And I asked for a really hard going out with him. And we never really."},{"startTime":3501.019,"endTime":3504.699,"body":"I talked to him a little bit about it. But probably not as long as I could have done."},{"startTime":3505.82,"endTime":3509.739,"body":"So I could stay with him for the first half of the storm and then he'd smoke me on the second half."},{"startTime":3509.739,"endTime":3514.699,"body":"And I'll just say do just go like just go and do your own storm. Like he needed to train for what"},{"startTime":3514.78,"endTime":3520.619,"body":"he was doing. But he'd gone from a three and a half K\u0026R swimmer the next year three and three"},{"startTime":3520.619,"endTime":3525.659,"body":"quarters and the next year four. And then a four and a quarter. You know, he was just getting"},{"startTime":3525.659,"endTime":3532.86,"body":"better and better. And I was approaching, you know, 50. And I was just like three and three"},{"startTime":3532.86,"endTime":3537.82,"body":"quarters. That's kind of my game. Three and a half I'll be pretty. You know, that's kind of where I'm"},{"startTime":3537.82,"endTime":3544.059,"body":"sitting. I'd love to sit at four. And I probably couldn't if I went totally all in. But he was so"},{"startTime":3544.059,"endTime":3548.699,"body":"scientific and so distracted and so organised and they'd be doing everything. And I would,"},{"startTime":3549.5,"endTime":3554.46,"body":"I'm just not like that. I'm just like, I'll do 80% I'm not going to think about my nutrition."},{"startTime":3555.019,"endTime":3560.699,"body":"I just know ice cream every night. Yes. I'd eat chips, I'd eat pastries, I'd have coffees."},{"startTime":3560.699,"endTime":3568.46,"body":"You might have a swimmer. Yeah. So I like to enjoy it. And yeah, so my diet was not good."},{"startTime":3568.46,"endTime":3575.5,"body":"It's not an athlete's diet. I don't even prefer to be there. So when did you get to cook?"},{"startTime":3576.86,"endTime":3586.219,"body":"So it feels like should we do it earlier? Sure we do it pretty Christmas. That'll give you the best"},{"startTime":3586.219,"endTime":3591.9,"body":"chance. And I was like, yep, because I got to my head. I was so desperate to get it down. I would"},{"startTime":3592.219,"endTime":3600.219,"body":"do anything. Yep, fine. So december's in my head. He rangs me up on the like the 20th of November."},{"startTime":3601.42,"endTime":3607.659,"body":"How you placed? How you going? You ready? We're going to do it next week. I'm like, what?"},{"startTime":3609.5,"endTime":3616.219,"body":"It was like the 15th of November. It was crazy. Like my birthday was on the 19th of November."},{"startTime":3616.3,"endTime":3623.179,"body":"And I'm like, I just said yes to him. And that was the right answer to get it. It was just like,"},{"startTime":3623.179,"endTime":3626.86,"body":"well, I'm going to take my chance. Yeah. I don't know when I'm going to get this. This has been"},{"startTime":3626.86,"endTime":3634.46,"body":"such a debarkable way to go. So we went down on, I think the 25th of summer. I think it would have"},{"startTime":3634.46,"endTime":3642.059,"body":"been the second-earthest ever to go straight to him. Daned all the earliest. And we went down,"},{"startTime":3642.78,"endTime":3651.019,"body":"you know, stayed at my cousins. And they were amazing. Looked after us. Got up at 5am. 5.30"},{"startTime":3651.019,"endTime":3655.5,"body":"Phil calls. Now the wind's up too high. It's not on. But it's definitely on for tomorrow."},{"startTime":3656.699,"endTime":3663.099,"body":"And so the next morning, my car, same deal. My brother had flown out from France and landed in"},{"startTime":3663.099,"endTime":3669.26,"body":"Australia the night two nights before. And I rang him up and said, I reckon I might be doing"},{"startTime":3669.26,"endTime":3675.26,"body":"a quick straight. So he flew over straight away from Melbourne. I arrived after midnight,"},{"startTime":3675.26,"endTime":3681.739,"body":"came and stayed. Saw that first morning get called off. Saw the second morning. The same thing"},{"startTime":3681.739,"endTime":3690.219,"body":"happened. And it got called off at 5.30 and we hit a flight booked for 6.15 or something. And so"},{"startTime":3690.78,"endTime":3694.46,"body":"we just grabbed our bags and ran out the door and got to the airport. And they wouldn't let us"},{"startTime":3694.46,"endTime":3698.78,"body":"take our luggage. So I left that with my brother and we got on the plane and got back to our kids."},{"startTime":3698.78,"endTime":3711.5,"body":"And took them on the school run. So again. And just destroyed. Like just unbelievable."},{"startTime":3712.3,"endTime":3720.059,"body":"So pissed off. So angry and annoyed. And then yeah, 15th of December."},{"startTime":3720.86,"endTime":3726.86,"body":"We fly 14th at the 7th flight out. We're doing it again. Okay."},{"startTime":3726.86,"endTime":3732.86,"body":"We need to see how this goes. I'm not having a lot of trust at this stage. I just thought"},{"startTime":3732.86,"endTime":3737.739,"body":"the serious thing is that if we're going to happen. Yeah. Yeah. And she's in the airport company."},{"startTime":3737.739,"endTime":3743.5,"body":"Something like that. Yeah, there was a lot of money being dropped. There's a lot of emotional"},{"startTime":3743.5,"endTime":3750.46,"body":"even being destroyed and burned up and flayed. Yeah. Plenty of streets I can tell you."},{"startTime":3751.98,"endTime":3757.5,"body":"Like I wasn't functioning very well. I was so focused on that one thing. I couldn't organise"},{"startTime":3757.5,"endTime":3763.739,"body":"any new logistics. I was just doing the fundamental basics of my life. And Michelle was like running"},{"startTime":3763.739,"endTime":3769.34,"body":"around doing a hundred things. That was amazing. So yeah. Got out the next morning."},{"startTime":3770.139,"endTime":3776.78,"body":"I drove up to Mana and hopped on the boat. Met the American guy that was swimming as well."},{"startTime":3778.059,"endTime":3783.26,"body":"And he'd already done a few swims in the ocean. Seven. And he was really quick. And we went out"},{"startTime":3783.26,"endTime":3789.739,"body":"and it was flat as a pancake. And it was really misty. And just really cool. And I get really"},{"startTime":3789.739,"endTime":3795.82,"body":"seasick. And I had gone to a heart specialist and got all sorts of heart things. I'd gone to the"},{"startTime":3795.82,"endTime":3801.82,"body":"doctor to get all sorts of anti nausea medicine. And I'd gone and checked. What can I take?"},{"startTime":3801.82,"endTime":3806.38,"body":"It's not going to make me sleepy or give me a heart attack during the swim. Because in the second"},{"startTime":3806.38,"endTime":3816.219,"body":"year one of the swimmers died. Yes. At the finish. Yes. So and that was I watched that funeral online."},{"startTime":3816.219,"endTime":3822.619,"body":"And I was supposed to be saying that that's the backup swimmer to him. Yeah. So"},{"startTime":3823.579,"endTime":3830.059,"body":"that was a really hard thing to process for 48 hours. But Michelle said you can't give up now."},{"startTime":3831.9,"endTime":3837.34,"body":"And it kind of needed that level of permission. She needed to be okay with it."},{"startTime":3837.34,"endTime":3841.099,"body":"Yeah. Yeah. So he was on my mind a lot for the swim because I was like"},{"startTime":3842.219,"endTime":3846.94,"body":"I want to get to the finish. I want to get home to our three awesome kids."},{"startTime":3847.739,"endTime":3855.099,"body":"Yeah. So that was playing on it. There's a lot of stuff going on with my sister over in Australia."},{"startTime":3856.539,"endTime":3864.059,"body":"She was going through a really tough time. And going through a lot of like yeah just really,"},{"startTime":3864.059,"endTime":3870.539,"body":"really bad stuff. And my brother who had come out to be there for the swim and he knew that the"},{"startTime":3870.539,"endTime":3877.5,"body":"man in the swimmer was about dead young childhood going after maybe a bit of a rebuild for me."},{"startTime":3878.059,"endTime":3883.019,"body":"He might have since then. He went to be with her. We had lots of chats about that."},{"startTime":3884.78,"endTime":3890.46,"body":"And that was the priority. Yeah. And that was the right thing today."},{"startTime":3891.579,"endTime":3895.579,"body":"And it's hard because you know I'd like to have had them there on the boat."},{"startTime":3896.539,"endTime":3903.42,"body":"And he was really cool about it. He's like just you know I'll be there on the road."},{"startTime":3905.9,"endTime":3910.059,"body":"Yeah. And if you'll be there on the next one. Yeah. Because there'll be some more stupid"},{"startTime":3910.059,"endTime":3912.38,"body":"shit you're going to do. I'm assuming. Oh, who knows. Yeah."},{"startTime":3913.579,"endTime":3919.739,"body":"Just don't tell him. You have to be calm and play it. Let's be calm and play it."},{"startTime":3920.38,"endTime":3924.46,"body":"You can't get me in trouble. You can either do it or not."},{"startTime":3927.019,"endTime":3934.139,"body":"So the swim I got there I was we just pulled up. I was a bit disorganised. I didn't know"},{"startTime":3934.139,"endTime":3939.099,"body":"that we were going to be there right then. I feel like you need like you know it's 15 minutes."},{"startTime":3939.099,"endTime":3944.699,"body":"And I'm like I need to go for a toilet stop too. And you don't go on the boat and I was crying."},{"startTime":3945.659,"endTime":3951.739,"body":"I was just terrified. I just couldn't function. And hopped on the water. And it was like"},{"startTime":3951.739,"endTime":3956.139,"body":"fast for essence and silver and gold and blue and all sorts of stuff as I was swimming."},{"startTime":3957.179,"endTime":3961.659,"body":"You started in that dock obviously. Yeah. No the light was up a little bit."},{"startTime":3961.659,"endTime":3965.9,"body":"Yeah. Because it takes an hour and a half to get to the start. So it was live."},{"startTime":3967.099,"endTime":3971.26,"body":"Yeah. It was dark on the marina and then light on the way. Yeah."},{"startTime":3971.82,"endTime":3979.42,"body":"And so it is. There's a photo of me sitting in the IRB. And I just looked terrified."},{"startTime":3979.42,"endTime":3985.739,"body":"Yeah. Which was totally how it was. And just tears my eyes and said things to both"},{"startTime":3985.739,"endTime":3993.26,"body":"filming us then. And with what he was going to play out. Hopped on the water."},{"startTime":3993.26,"endTime":3998.3,"body":"He didn't tell my goggles on since I had them on for the swim squads. Not for the ocean."},{"startTime":3998.38,"endTime":4004.539,"body":"You know. Yeah. So they're like floppy and useless to start believing. And I couldn't fix them."},{"startTime":4004.539,"endTime":4007.26,"body":"And Phil's just looking at me like, what's this numbing?"},{"startTime":4008.539,"endTime":4013.179,"body":"So this happened about three times in the first 15 minutes. We swapped goggles."},{"startTime":4014.219,"endTime":4019.579,"body":"He threw the goggles at me and they didn't land in my hand. And they started sinking under the"},{"startTime":4019.579,"endTime":4025.98,"body":"water. And I managed to catch about two feet under the water. It was a miracle and got those on."},{"startTime":4025.98,"endTime":4030.539,"body":"And he put them on so tight that, you know, basically the goggles are at the back of my head."},{"startTime":4030.539,"endTime":4036.699,"body":"There are contact lenses there. Yeah. So anyway. So for the first three hours of the swim,"},{"startTime":4036.699,"endTime":4040.059,"body":"I was really mentally struggling because I was just thinking about my sister and what she was"},{"startTime":4040.059,"endTime":4044.219,"body":"going through. Yeah. It was not resolved. There was a lot of stuff going on. Yeah."},{"startTime":4044.219,"endTime":4051.659,"body":"And we just hadn't got on all squid away in the control for her. So I was a real piece."},{"startTime":4051.659,"endTime":4055.82,"body":"And you were there, you know, you should have been with your sister technically."},{"startTime":4055.82,"endTime":4061.9,"body":"Is your mind is that? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You dragged in many different ways. But I think"},{"startTime":4062.619,"endTime":4067.82,"body":"that was just playing. And it was just I couldn't find a place for it. So I just kept swimming."},{"startTime":4067.82,"endTime":4073.099,"body":"And I was sort of really fast and really well played from the leaky goals. And yeah."},{"startTime":4074.699,"endTime":4081.26,"body":"And at about three hours, it was just going on. And Phil was looking at me at two hours."},{"startTime":4081.26,"endTime":4087.5,"body":"Like, how are you doing? And I'm like, I just my head in two and a half hours. Just my head, you know,"},{"startTime":4087.5,"endTime":4093.099,"body":"and he's just looking at me like not knowing what to do with me. I think he just really didn't know."},{"startTime":4093.9,"endTime":4097.579,"body":"And you know, it's probably not a good sign from his perspective. He's someone"},{"startTime":4098.22,"endTime":4103.979,"body":"in a quarter of a way across or through the way and struggling already mentally. And it's like,"},{"startTime":4103.979,"endTime":4109.18,"body":"oh God, it's going to be a hard day. And that message must have got across to Michelle"},{"startTime":4109.26,"endTime":4116.939,"body":"who was on the big boat with Rick Richardson and Captain. And Michelle's a psychologist."},{"startTime":4117.739,"endTime":4123.5,"body":"And she's got that high performance sports background. And so it's quite a nice combination to have."},{"startTime":4124.46,"endTime":4131.34,"body":"And she's a really thoughtful measure. Pretty just not quite, but really considered. She's not"},{"startTime":4131.34,"endTime":4136.38,"body":"someone who will be the life of the party or stand out. She's very good at one-on-one and very good"},{"startTime":4136.38,"endTime":4140.619,"body":"and very good at one-on-one with that level. She stood up on the boat at three hours."},{"startTime":4141.819,"endTime":4146.06,"body":"She got the boat to come over to me. I'll get really emotional about this. But"},{"startTime":4147.34,"endTime":4150.779,"body":"she knew what was going on. I didn't want to tell Phil what was going on"},{"startTime":4151.18,"endTime":4155.659,"body":"because I just thought that'll put me a jippity. So I wanted to protect there. I just"},{"startTime":4155.659,"endTime":4160.46,"body":"wanted to know I was worried about the guy who died in my sister. She ran with us other ship going"},{"startTime":4160.539,"endTime":4169.26,"body":"on. That's me. So Michelle just stood up and she's like, think about our kids. Think about"},{"startTime":4169.26,"endTime":4178.14,"body":"the training you've done. Think about why you're doing this. It's like three messages, man."},{"startTime":4178.14,"endTime":4185.02,"body":"Yeah. Yeah. So I just hit my feet, hit a leg. What's your wager finger when she was"},{"startTime":4185.02,"endTime":4189.18,"body":"standing there? No, she just stood up and was holding the railing and you know things were"},{"startTime":4189.18,"endTime":4195.34,"body":"bowling along by that stage a little bit up and down and she was pretty sick. And I just put my"},{"startTime":4195.34,"endTime":4202.38,"body":"knee down and carry on. So to something really interesting changed, I mean. So you know,"},{"startTime":4202.38,"endTime":4208.06,"body":"this one's an emotional song for me. Nothing to do with a physical challenge."},{"startTime":4209.02,"endTime":4219.579,"body":"Yeah. So I thought about Tobian, Simon and Loki and Michelle and I thought about my family growing"},{"startTime":4219.579,"endTime":4225.739,"body":"up. My dad, the sort of problem with my mum and my sister and my brother. And I thought about"},{"startTime":4225.739,"endTime":4232.779,"body":"my two son coaches and I thought about Richard who's a guy, my son squad who's just so"},{"startTime":4232.779,"endTime":4237.579,"body":"incredibly helpful in terms of just, he just give me one mind message. Where are you at?"},{"startTime":4237.579,"endTime":4243.1,"body":"And he just hit me up something and he just knew to do an ex Olympian, awesome guy,"},{"startTime":4243.1,"endTime":4249.02,"body":"to so thoughtful, but he just knew you every time. Yeah. And yeah. And John, I'm Caitlyn,"},{"startTime":4249.02,"endTime":4254.38,"body":"and Ivan, and just these people that help you. Yeah. And you go, holy smoke, you know."},{"startTime":4255.34,"endTime":4260.779,"body":"And so I just said their names over and over again for an hour. Yeah."},{"startTime":4261.739,"endTime":4266.779,"body":"You know, it's just like my, my heart just opened. Yeah. It was just like"},{"startTime":4267.34,"endTime":4272.939,"body":"did gratitude and love. Yeah. It's just beautiful. Did you give me goosebumps all over here,"},{"startTime":4272.939,"endTime":4276.779,"body":"man? No, that's that's the genuine heart. Yeah. That's why you do it. Yeah."},{"startTime":4277.5,"endTime":4282.779,"body":"So and that's people don't always understand what you go through to get to the other side."},{"startTime":4282.779,"endTime":4288.14,"body":"God, it's massive. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I went through a stage,"},{"startTime":4289.02,"endTime":4293.819,"body":"early on in my strong career where I've got five kids right, I've got twins twice,"},{"startTime":4293.819,"endTime":4298.699,"body":"and on each stroke I would say a different name, you know, and I would do that."},{"startTime":4298.699,"endTime":4306.539,"body":"For as long as I could. So I get that. I very much get that. Yeah. And so that was, yeah."},{"startTime":4307.5,"endTime":4316.14,"body":"So, so then you, you found a, a bed of space, an assuming of the an hour of that. Yeah."},{"startTime":4316.14,"endTime":4322.779,"body":"Just switched me out of that, swirling, unresolved emotional state, until like a deep love and"},{"startTime":4322.779,"endTime":4329.819,"body":"gratitude state, which is just, you know, there's a whole lot of positivity and dopamine and just,"},{"startTime":4329.819,"endTime":4337.34,"body":"just a whole lot of love just pouring out, you know. And, yeah, my brother"},{"startTime":4337.34,"endTime":4343.5,"body":"has some injuries to take on it. And he's sort of says that's a really deeply spiritual thing,"},{"startTime":4343.5,"endTime":4350.06,"body":"you know, like some people have this thing called a heart awakening. 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And some people are like, cool, this dude's like really in touch."},{"startTime":4387.819,"endTime":4393.42,"body":"And it's been super helpful in so many things in my life because people, I'm a lot more genuine now."},{"startTime":4394.619,"endTime":4400.939,"body":"But I go towards the heart stuff way more, whereas before I probably go really black and white"},{"startTime":4400.939,"endTime":4407.739,"body":"and logical and not very, my EQ stuff wasn't very, and it's not, it's not my really involved"},{"startTime":4408.3,"endTime":4414.38,"body":"like, about it, about it, switch something. Switch to the bed of hair. Yeah, kind of open up the"},{"startTime":4414.38,"endTime":4421.34,"body":"channel, I suppose, to a different way. My dad is very much like that. 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I think you're for being here, you know,"},{"startTime":4625.18,"endTime":4630.619,"body":"allowing me to try and come and swim here today, you know? Yeah. Just really grateful for that"},{"startTime":4630.619,"endTime":4639.26,"body":"opportunity. And yeah, coming up to the end, I thought it was going to be this beautiful Utopian"},{"startTime":4639.26,"endTime":4645.18,"body":"angel singing life-changling moment. And it was just a washing machine leading up to these rocks"},{"startTime":4645.18,"endTime":4652.539,"body":"that had kelp on it, you know? And I swam in and I fell said, be cute, just touch the rock, turn"},{"startTime":4652.539,"endTime":4657.819,"body":"around and get straight back to the boat. So I, I see it and said he felt like it was a place of"},{"startTime":4657.819,"endTime":4663.34,"body":"danger. Yeah. And so I was like, right, I'm in tune with the day. Yes, yes, you know, touch and go."},{"startTime":4663.899,"endTime":4667.819,"body":"Yeah. And it's totally what happened. So I just swam in and just touched the rock,"},{"startTime":4667.819,"endTime":4672.619,"body":"felt all this kelp on my hand and stuff and just swam back the boat and they just dragged"},{"startTime":4672.619,"endTime":4681.1,"body":"me up on the boat. And yeah, I couldn't pull myself in or anything, they just pulled me in and I"},{"startTime":4681.1,"endTime":4685.5,"body":"just looked at the show and said, I can't believe I'm done. Yeah. Yeah."},{"startTime":4686.779,"endTime":4694.14,"body":"It was so good. A relief. That is on so many levels. That is such a great story, man. That's"},{"startTime":4694.22,"endTime":4700.699,"body":"awesome. That's such a good story. And so you couldn't do the, the joy, the dance of joy on the beach"},{"startTime":4700.699,"endTime":4705.42,"body":"because obviously it was too too whitewashy, too too dangerous. Yeah, it was just a whole pile of rocks."},{"startTime":4705.42,"endTime":4710.38,"body":"Yeah. There was no beach there. What was the temperature? Were you, sort of, were you comfortable"},{"startTime":4710.38,"endTime":4717.819,"body":"in the cold? I was funny because they beat at the start. They took the temperature and"},{"startTime":4717.899,"endTime":4721.979,"body":"felt like, what's the temperature? And I'm like, I'm sick. I don't want to know. It's"},{"startTime":4721.979,"endTime":4729.26,"body":"here or what? It's going to be 13 or 14. 18. Oh, nice. 18 in December. That's a"},{"startTime":4729.26,"endTime":4736.779,"body":"marty for a treat. Yeah. So it was 18. And the last hour it was cold. And I had heard that it"},{"startTime":4736.779,"endTime":4742.3,"body":"was cold in that last half an hour or whatever, whatever goes on for currents there. So what time"},{"startTime":4742.3,"endTime":4751.659,"body":"did you land up swimming? 7, 15. Which is, which is right up there. Yeah. What's, what's the"},{"startTime":4751.659,"endTime":4759.34,"body":"record? Six. No, that'll be, no, that's the end of what's Andy. Yeah, it's five. Yeah. Andy's"},{"startTime":4759.34,"endTime":4766.46,"body":"Andy, right? Yeah. So I was funny because I came back and the guys at Swim Test, they"},{"startTime":4766.619,"endTime":4771.899,"body":"put up a post and see, that's the 10th fastest swim from the north to the south. Yes."},{"startTime":4771.899,"endTime":4776.14,"body":"And it was really cool for me to swim to the south, aren't we? Yes. Because I live in the north"},{"startTime":4776.14,"endTime":4779.5,"body":"aren't. I always wanted to swim to the south. Yes. And one of those days would have been"},{"startTime":4779.5,"endTime":4783.739,"body":"a south to the north. Swim, I'm like, I don't want to do it. Yeah. I want to swim to a Tauai"},{"startTime":4784.22,"endTime":4790.06,"body":"Panamo. Yeah. And I've got a green stone. Yeah, it's looking at that, yes. Yeah. So it's"},{"startTime":4790.06,"endTime":4798.22,"body":"very cool. Yeah. So hey, Marto, fishhawk and, yeah, just beautiful. And the night she wrote"},{"startTime":4798.22,"endTime":4803.739,"body":"on Christmas Day, give me this. It was, it was all about resilience. Yep. So it's not about the"},{"startTime":4803.739,"endTime":4811.739,"body":"swim. Yep. It's about the bloody long journey in the resilient four years. Yeah. Four years."},{"startTime":4811.739,"endTime":4816.06,"body":"Yeah. So yeah. And that's not what I signed up for. And it's definitely not what I've"},{"startTime":4816.06,"endTime":4822.3,"body":"signed up for. It's definitely not what I can sign up for. Yes. So, you know, there's a lot of"},{"startTime":4822.3,"endTime":4831.02,"body":"trade offs as I said. Yes. And we flew back the next morning and it was the last day of school."},{"startTime":4831.5,"endTime":4837.42,"body":"Yeah. And our schools have really tied a little community. Yes. Michael Park's time at school"},{"startTime":4837.42,"endTime":4842.859,"body":"now, literally. Yeah. And just rocking out and celebrating the kids. Yes. So got on the"},{"startTime":4842.859,"endTime":4849.18,"body":"side. Big city for life. Yeah. Doing up the school at 10.30 a.m. and celebrating those kids"},{"startTime":4849.18,"endTime":4856.3,"body":"last day. Yep. And took my home at lunchtime and you know, he's, he's beautiful life. Yep."},{"startTime":4856.3,"endTime":4863.42,"body":"You look like an awesome dad. Yeah. Things. Yeah. That's very cool, dude. Yeah. So, you know,"},{"startTime":4863.42,"endTime":4867.979,"body":"reach us, be expect really interesting. You know, what's this way? So it makes you mean. Yep."},{"startTime":4869.579,"endTime":4876.22,"body":"Um, so from there, it was a rebuilding of ego. Trying to find some confidence again. Yeah."},{"startTime":4877.02,"endTime":4882.939,"body":"Yeah. And it helped a lot. Sure. But it gave you so many other things as well. Yeah. Yeah. So I"},{"startTime":4882.939,"endTime":4889.26,"body":"think like all that training, all those setbacks, all that hardship, I can cope so much at work."},{"startTime":4889.26,"endTime":4895.739,"body":"Yeah. And I can, I can handle a lot of stuff that I could not handle before. Yeah. And I've"},{"startTime":4896.46,"endTime":4902.38,"body":"been really lucky to have an awesome team around. And we've just started achieving so much stuff."},{"startTime":4903.1,"endTime":4909.979,"body":"And so leaving the bank going and trying to help other transport and cycling and just leave"},{"startTime":4909.979,"endTime":4915.739,"body":"the world a better place that's been a good mission. Well, dude, that's been an awesome story."},{"startTime":4915.739,"endTime":4921.18,"body":"Thank you so much for sharing with us. Oh, good. Thank you. Um, it's not quite the story I was"},{"startTime":4921.18,"endTime":4926.46,"body":"anticipating hearing from you, but it was very cool. Thank you. I think that's the best story I've"},{"startTime":4926.46,"endTime":4932.619,"body":"ever heard. Yeah. So many times it's just about the physical and the swimming. Yeah. I mean,"},{"startTime":4932.619,"endTime":4939.02,"body":"that's been a amazing story. That's best I've heard. But I find it really good. You know,"},{"startTime":4939.579,"endTime":4943.979,"body":"that's been a pretty helpful. I have a lot of beautiful moments out of the ocean. I've seen you"},{"startTime":4943.979,"endTime":4950.539,"body":"like come up over a row and you're up by cable boys. Yeah, cable boys, we're, I always have my"},{"startTime":4950.539,"endTime":4955.34,"body":"moments from we. Yeah. Oh, that's good to know. Nice. I'll avoid it in future."},{"startTime":4956.779,"endTime":4960.779,"body":"Mark, thank you so much. Right. Appreciate it. Yeah. Thanks for having me, guys. Cool."},{"startTime":4961.819,"endTime":4967.26,"body":"Hi, my name is Caitlyn O'Reilly. I'm the youngest person who have completed the Ocean 7 Challenge"},{"startTime":4967.34,"endTime":4971.26,"body":"of this really cool podcast has helped you learn something new."},{"startTime":4971.26,"endTime":4976.779,"body":"Maybe it's introduced you to new swimmers, made you smile. Then please take the opportunity"},{"startTime":4976.779,"endTime":4981.42,"body":"to subscribe to Duncan and Jim's channel. I'm sure they would absolutely appreciate all your"},{"startTime":4981.42,"endTime":4987.34,"body":"support. Cheers. Thanks, Caitlyn. Well, as always, you can give us feedback on our Instagram account"},{"startTime":4987.34,"endTime":4995.579,"body":"at Clevdix or send us an email Clevdixinz at gmail.com. We'd really appreciate hearing from you."},{"startTime":4995.579,"endTime":5001.819,"body":"And cheers. We'll speak to you again soon."}]}