{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"startTime":0.0,"endTime":17.839,"body":"Welcome to another episode of Clevverdix. In this episode we're talking to Duncan Grant."},{"startTime":17.839,"endTime":22.8,"body":"Yes, that's a different Duncan. Duncan is an Auckland based swimmer who's dealing with"},{"startTime":22.8,"endTime":29.039,"body":"multiple sclerosis or MS as a lot of people call it. We talk all about how it impacts"},{"startTime":29.039,"endTime":32.719,"body":"his life and his swimming and how he found out that he had it in his first place."},{"startTime":33.52,"endTime":39.2,"body":"Duncan's done some pretty good swims for somebody whose body isn't working on all levels."},{"startTime":40.0,"endTime":44.96,"body":"He's got a grant from Mastering Mountains which is an MS support organisation."},{"startTime":45.52,"endTime":49.039,"body":"It was a great conversation we had. I think you're really going to enjoy this one."},{"startTime":50.079,"endTime":55.359,"body":"Welcome to another Clevverdix podcast. In this podcast we're talking to Duncan Grant,"},{"startTime":55.359,"endTime":58.719,"body":"not our normal Duncan, but another Duncan. Welcome, Duncan."},{"startTime":59.359,"endTime":61.84,"body":"Thank you. Thank you, Jim. Thanks very much, Ian Duncan."},{"startTime":66.319,"endTime":72.64,"body":"Duncan, you normally just start the podcast by giving you an opportunity just to tell us your story,"},{"startTime":74.319,"endTime":78.959,"body":"how you got involved in swimming other parts of your life. I know you've got lots to tell us."},{"startTime":79.76,"endTime":86.319,"body":"But I thought I'd just give the mic over to you and then we can start to check up things"},{"startTime":86.319,"endTime":88.48,"body":"after you've had a chance to tell us your story."},{"startTime":90.159,"endTime":96.48,"body":"No, no problem. I didn't grow up as a swimmer and I probably can't"},{"startTime":96.48,"endTime":103.599,"body":"sort of same myself as a swimmer at the moment, but yeah, I'm getting that."},{"startTime":104.239,"endTime":112.0,"body":"I grew up on a hill country farm down in a place of a central off island called Tihapi."},{"startTime":112.719,"endTime":117.76,"body":"Most people who are in New Zealand will know where that metropolis is in the central off island."},{"startTime":118.4,"endTime":121.84,"body":"So yeah, I didn't grow up with much water at all, but we had a little"},{"startTime":121.84,"endTime":128.08,"body":"went to a farm school and we had a little school pool there that was like the old ice swimming,"},{"startTime":128.08,"endTime":132.159,"body":"a bit of an ice bath, a piece of alcohol thing on top of the roof to try and warm the water up."},{"startTime":133.039,"endTime":138.319,"body":"But yeah, I was sort of led to swim there and going forward to high school on that,"},{"startTime":138.319,"endTime":142.479,"body":"never really did anything about swimming. You know, the typical New Zealand"},{"startTime":142.479,"endTime":151.199,"body":"things that won't be in cricket, etc. I loved my sport and then from leaving high school,"},{"startTime":152.0,"endTime":156.24,"body":"sort of had a couple of years back on the farm. I didn't really quite know what to do."},{"startTime":157.199,"endTime":161.28,"body":"I'm a dead soul of the farm, so I thought I'll go teaching. My mum was a teacher"},{"startTime":161.28,"endTime":168.479,"body":"half the other side of the family's teachers. So when it's teaching and major in physical education,"},{"startTime":168.479,"endTime":174.08,"body":"so yeah, taught in New Zealand. And I got into mountain running, love of mountain running,"},{"startTime":174.8,"endTime":178.4,"body":"mountain biking, we're just sort of starting then a little bit, then I went over to the UK"},{"startTime":179.199,"endTime":184.159,"body":"and was heavily involved in adventuracing over there. When it was sort of in its prime back in the"},{"startTime":184.159,"endTime":191.36,"body":"the late 90s, really 2000s. And funny enough, I met a South African girl and I ended up in South Africa."},{"startTime":192.0,"endTime":199.199,"body":"I think you go for six years. Yeah, I have to cancel this podcast. That's not going to work for us."},{"startTime":199.199,"endTime":204.0,"body":"I know. Yeah, so I got a little bit off the cans as well. So you can't get away with that."},{"startTime":204.8,"endTime":212.719,"body":"Lacka, lacka. Yeah, no, I, yeah, by lacka. So I taught in a place called Peter Marisburg,"},{"startTime":213.439,"endTime":221.36,"body":"in Natal for six years. And the I did five doozies, a pair of doozies five times,"},{"startTime":221.919,"endTime":229.919,"body":"and enjoyed that. Yeah, enjoyed that. And then in 2010, we up and came back to New Zealand. And I've"},{"startTime":230.0,"endTime":236.08,"body":"been, I've got a job at St Kenningham Boy School, he'd have sport there and I've been there ever since."},{"startTime":237.12,"endTime":244.96,"body":"So yeah, that's that journey. The journey into swimming. Yeah, so and the multiple's process."},{"startTime":244.96,"endTime":252.479,"body":"So when I came back to New Zealand, I was determined I wanted to go running again. So I got back out"},{"startTime":252.479,"endTime":258.16,"body":"on the roads because I had a knee up and I thought, oh, that must be just my knee. So I started running"},{"startTime":258.16,"endTime":262.959,"body":"and I could do about five minutes and then my left leg would be, there'd be nothing left of it,"},{"startTime":262.959,"endTime":267.92,"body":"you know, it'd be just exhausted. So I'd walk one minute, run five minutes, walk one minute,"},{"startTime":267.92,"endTime":275.6,"body":"and I seemed to manage it okay, but nothing ever got better. So I decided to investigate"},{"startTime":275.6,"endTime":282.56,"body":"if it was still my knee. So yeah, when I started going through the doctors, oh, I forgot prior to"},{"startTime":282.959,"endTime":289.279,"body":"that. And so I figured I had issues with the heat in my head, like I was feeling my hands and my"},{"startTime":289.279,"endTime":294.319,"body":"feet were boiling hot. I didn't know what was going on. So I went to my local doctor a couple of"},{"startTime":294.319,"endTime":302.72,"body":"times and he had never clued and finally asked me am I up? I was like, no, man. So I gave up on"},{"startTime":302.72,"endTime":307.68,"body":"doctors. I just just sucked it up and got on with it. Didn't know what was going on, but didn't really"},{"startTime":307.68,"endTime":318.16,"body":"fit me a huge amount. So yeah, so I decided I want to get back to running. So I couldn't run."},{"startTime":318.16,"endTime":324.56,"body":"So I started, my mate is a swimmer. He threw me, it was when I think, he's from"},{"startTime":324.56,"endTime":329.92,"body":"serious matter, just started, I can't remember, 2010 somewhere around there. Yeah, he threw me an old"},{"startTime":330.879,"endTime":339.68,"body":"wetsuit and I put my name down for the 500 meters and off a went. I nearly drowned. I trusted"},{"startTime":339.68,"endTime":346.639,"body":"I nearly drowned on that 500 meters. So I was like, bugging. And sort of the way I work is like,"},{"startTime":346.639,"endTime":353.519,"body":"yeah, I'm going to knock this bug off. So, you know, I've got a couldn't breathe properly. So"},{"startTime":353.519,"endTime":359.519,"body":"he got one of my boys from school who's only 13 years old as a tox swimmer said to his mum,"},{"startTime":360.16,"endTime":364.56,"body":"you know, I'll give him a, I think back then it was like an apple play card or whatever"},{"startTime":364.56,"endTime":370.639,"body":"as a voucher. If he can tap me down to GI pool, teach me how to breathe both sides, do a bit of"},{"startTime":370.639,"endTime":375.04,"body":"straight corrections. So he took me down the steering door and taught me a few bits and pieces and"},{"startTime":375.04,"endTime":381.92,"body":"then I just, yeah, I got knocked off the 500 then knocked off the K, knocked off the 1500, the 2K"},{"startTime":381.92,"endTime":388.399,"body":"and yeah, it just became a bit of an addiction. But during that period, I find that when I was"},{"startTime":388.399,"endTime":395.12,"body":"swimming, I'd get this sort of mystery creeping across my chest and I didn't know what it was."},{"startTime":395.12,"endTime":400.72,"body":"It wasn't a muscle and it wasn't, it wasn't external. I couldn't figure it out. And sometimes if I"},{"startTime":400.72,"endTime":404.399,"body":"kick really hard and I get to the end of the race, I get out of the water and my left leg will collapse"},{"startTime":405.36,"endTime":409.12,"body":"and then in about five minutes would come back and I didn't really think much of it. So,"},{"startTime":410.0,"endTime":413.04,"body":"but then on the other side, I thought, you know, I want to get running as well and swimming."},{"startTime":413.519,"endTime":419.439,"body":"So, I went down the route of doctors, went to the doctor and he was like, oh, it will go"},{"startTime":419.439,"endTime":425.12,"body":"your left leg's a little bit slightly more interfied in the right leg. I don't know why. So,"},{"startTime":426.0,"endTime":431.68,"body":"when I said, we'll go and do a knee MRI. So, started with a knee MRI, nothing. He's actually fine."},{"startTime":431.68,"endTime":439.04,"body":"I'm like, oh yeah. And then when we went up to my sort of pelvic area, there went for x-ray or"},{"startTime":439.839,"endTime":444.639,"body":"pelvic realm of hips. And the lady kept saying to me, you're on the x-ray and stand up straight,"},{"startTime":444.639,"endTime":448.24,"body":"stand up straight. And I said, I am standing up straight, but I didn't realise I was standing at an"},{"startTime":448.24,"endTime":458.319,"body":"angle. Took all the x-rays there and nothing came back. And then my GP said, oh, there's this"},{"startTime":458.319,"endTime":464.0,"body":"back specialist called Angus Don. I was like, oh, actually, I know Angus. The jaws of a private"},{"startTime":464.079,"endTime":472.24,"body":"school is teacher's son. So, I went over to Angus, his back surge in Auckland and he did a couple of"},{"startTime":472.24,"endTime":478.639,"body":"neurological tests. These just basic flip tests on my fingers and on my left leg and he said, no,"},{"startTime":478.639,"endTime":483.6,"body":"something's not right here. Yeah, it's not working. The signals aren't working properly."},{"startTime":484.8,"endTime":488.879,"body":"I said, we'll send you for an MRI on your brain and upper spine."},{"startTime":488.879,"endTime":497.759,"body":"So, yeah, we went and met, oh, because I had a head, I forgot I had a, during that period of time,"},{"startTime":497.759,"endTime":503.199,"body":"I had like a massive, or what you know now, it's an neuropathic pain in my hip. Somebody"},{"startTime":503.199,"endTime":508.48,"body":"likes got a kettle prod just jam in a electric kettle prod in your hip. Just the electric currents"},{"startTime":508.48,"endTime":512.559,"body":"that were going through my body were crazy. I couldn't sleep. I wasn't paying."},{"startTime":512.72,"endTime":520.32,"body":"I was going to ask, how would you know what an electric kettle prod feels like?"},{"startTime":520.96,"endTime":523.279,"body":"Is that great? Is it from growing up on a farm?"},{"startTime":526.159,"endTime":528.559,"body":"Now, more men you see. More men you see is the other thing."},{"startTime":533.12,"endTime":536.48,"body":"So, just from seeing the truck driver's trying to get the stock on, you know. So, yeah, it's pretty."},{"startTime":537.36,"endTime":545.12,"body":"So, yeah, so, I waited for me at MRI and in that time, I got myself into a pretty"},{"startTime":546.72,"endTime":551.919,"body":"darker place because you start, you know, they say, you know, he said it could be MS. So, I started"},{"startTime":551.919,"endTime":559.6,"body":"googling and, you know, what happens when you google. Basically, your world's coming to an end if"},{"startTime":559.6,"endTime":567.36,"body":"you google with MS. And so, I waited and then the neurological reports came back and they didn't"},{"startTime":567.36,"endTime":571.679,"body":"even have to do a spinal tap, which is what they do. They said, no, you bring me up and said, no,"},{"startTime":571.679,"endTime":578.399,"body":"you got an MS mate. There's lesions in your brain and in your spine. So, yeah, that's sort of"},{"startTime":579.12,"endTime":585.919,"body":"20th of July, 2020 off the top of my head, I think it was. Yeah, your sort of world comes crashing"},{"startTime":585.919,"endTime":593.36,"body":"down. So, yeah, but in that time, I just I just kept on swimming, just like, Dory."},{"startTime":595.279,"endTime":598.72,"body":"Kept on swimming. So, you know, that was where I got to with my diagnosis."},{"startTime":601.2,"endTime":602.639,"body":"Yeah. So, for MS."},{"startTime":605.12,"endTime":613.12,"body":"After you, Jim. Yeah, sorry. The question is, it's quite a journey to get through to a diagnosis."},{"startTime":613.12,"endTime":620.399,"body":"It's a bit of a commentary amongst people who get MS that it kind of takes that long for people"},{"startTime":620.399,"endTime":626.24,"body":"to, for doctors to work out what the issue. Yes, yeah, it's German. It's one of the,"},{"startTime":627.039,"endTime":632.399,"body":"one of the issues we're trying to work with because the sooner you can get onto, I want a drug"},{"startTime":632.399,"endTime":640.08,"body":"called Okrevis, which so basically, you know, MS for those people who don't know, it's your immune"},{"startTime":640.08,"endTime":645.2,"body":"system fighting itself. So, you've got your B and your T cells, which your immune system,"},{"startTime":645.2,"endTime":651.279,"body":"and they're actually attacking your blood brain barrier and your spine. And so,"},{"startTime":651.279,"endTime":656.559,"body":"multiple sclerosis, which is a Latin term off the top of my head means multiple lesions."},{"startTime":657.679,"endTime":662.24,"body":"So, you think it's like a, anyway, I can sum it up as you think of my spinal cord like a,"},{"startTime":663.2,"endTime":670.08,"body":"like a power cable. And you know, when a power cable shorts out and all the wires, wires are showing"},{"startTime":670.08,"endTime":676.399,"body":"with like a black, black sort of fizzing area, that's what my spine looks like. So, the plucks,"},{"startTime":677.36,"endTime":683.84,"body":"either scars, the multiple sclerosis, it attacks it, and then it heals as a scar. So, then my signals"},{"startTime":683.84,"endTime":688.96,"body":"instead of doing like this for people who've got normal, my signals go like that, trying to jump"},{"startTime":688.96,"endTime":696.799,"body":"the scar, which then attaches the movement to my body. Yeah, so, the sooner you can get onto the"},{"startTime":696.799,"endTime":702.48,"body":"drugs, the sooner you can hopefully have some type of control of it. So, that's yeah, if I look"},{"startTime":702.48,"endTime":709.84,"body":"back now, it probably took me 12, 14 years to get to a diagnosis, but it wasn't really affecting"},{"startTime":709.84,"endTime":716.559,"body":"me at that stage. So, I just sort of let it go. But yeah, that is one of the key things we've"},{"startTime":716.559,"endTime":723.679,"body":"been working on, MRIs are getting better, doctors are getting more sort of medical research,"},{"startTime":723.679,"endTime":726.72,"body":"given to them about it. So, yeah, soon you get on at the better. 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Find us online swimsuitorclin.go.nz"},{"startTime":767.44,"endTime":776.879,"body":"Do things progressively get worse or now that you've got the drugs, it sort of maintains"},{"startTime":778.96,"endTime":781.759,"body":"your sort of current status going forward. How does that work?"},{"startTime":783.279,"endTime":789.679,"body":"Yeah, that's a good question. That's the million dollar question, yeah. I've been on"},{"startTime":790.24,"endTime":797.2,"body":"the drug aquarivists for five years. I get an infusion every six months, which takes about seven"},{"startTime":797.2,"endTime":804.799,"body":"hours to infuse. And unfortunately, far back cover it all. It's not a cheek drug. So, their whole"},{"startTime":804.799,"endTime":810.96,"body":"thing is that giving the patients this drug hopefully keeps us off the health care system in the"},{"startTime":810.96,"endTime":818.879,"body":"longer. I've been five years now since I had a relapse and that's when the damage was caused."},{"startTime":820.559,"endTime":828.399,"body":"And I have had very, very minimal change. I can feel very minimal change. There's different types."},{"startTime":828.399,"endTime":834.879,"body":"There's relapsing remitting MS, where you have an attack and then you get some type of healing,"},{"startTime":834.879,"endTime":839.759,"body":"you have an attack, you get some type of healing. And then there's PPMS, which is primary progressive"},{"startTime":839.759,"endTime":843.919,"body":"where you don't get an attack, but you just get slowly worse and worse and worse. Whether you're"},{"startTime":843.919,"endTime":850.399,"body":"on the drug or not, but the drug helps slow it down. I want me to have relapsing remitting,"},{"startTime":850.399,"endTime":857.279,"body":"so I had the damage done, which is to fit my left side and slightly a little bit, well,"},{"startTime":857.279,"endTime":862.799,"body":"it's not a huge amount. I think the drugs are doing a good job, but out of everything,"},{"startTime":862.799,"endTime":867.679,"body":"I think my fitness over the years has been the key to keep it at bay when I look back at it."},{"startTime":868.48,"endTime":876.48,"body":"Nice man. So what is your current swimming activity look like? I mean,"},{"startTime":876.48,"endTime":883.12,"body":"I know every time I turn around, I see you popping up at any event. What's crazy, yeah, yeah."},{"startTime":886.72,"endTime":894.08,"body":"The swimming goals, well, I was actually, I've continued swimming through the whole stage of the,"},{"startTime":894.08,"endTime":900.08,"body":"you know, from not realizing I had MS to the MS type, noises and right through. So I'm like,"},{"startTime":900.08,"endTime":908.96,"body":"big of us, man, you know, I accept that I've got MS, but I don't accept the MS. So acceptance is a"},{"startTime":908.96,"endTime":917.279,"body":"real key thing. If you try and fight the MS and your mentality, then you could go down big time."},{"startTime":917.279,"endTime":921.44,"body":"So you've got to accept that you've got MS and you've got to live with it and then try and do"},{"startTime":921.919,"endTime":928.559,"body":"what you can to adjust and make it work. So I just kept swimming. And what I had to do though is"},{"startTime":929.279,"endTime":933.12,"body":"I had to change my mindset. I used to be back like, you know, at what time, you know, like you"},{"startTime":933.12,"endTime":936.96,"body":"will always do, you know, what would you swim the 1500 and where do you do the 2k and you know, look"},{"startTime":936.96,"endTime":944.48,"body":"in at all the lists. And I had to say, well, hey, I'm just lucky that I can still swim. So I had to"},{"startTime":944.48,"endTime":950.159,"body":"change my mind to say, no, it's not about the time. It's not about the distance. It's just about"},{"startTime":950.159,"endTime":956.879,"body":"getting out there and swimming. So yeah, so I dropped back from like on the Thursday night, I said,"},{"startTime":956.879,"endTime":960.96,"body":"I'm not going to do the 2k anymore with all this, you know, people swimming over the top of each"},{"startTime":960.96,"endTime":965.679,"body":"other. I'll drop back to the 1500 and just enjoy it. And then they swim over me when I get to the"},{"startTime":965.679,"endTime":975.44,"body":"1500 meter boy. And 2k is, yeah, and I just, you know, go and do the, a lot of the, you know,"},{"startTime":975.44,"endTime":982.96,"body":"banana boat series, Dan stuff and, you know, setting stuff for every once in a while. Yeah, and um,"},{"startTime":983.759,"endTime":991.919,"body":"but I had, I've tried to do as much as I can through MS Auckland and there's a, what I was doing was,"},{"startTime":991.919,"endTime":997.2,"body":"I got a grant called the Mastering Nountains Grant, which helps people with MS show other people"},{"startTime":997.2,"endTime":1004.96,"body":"with MS what you can do in the outdoors. So I live for it and got it and I was doing the swims."},{"startTime":1005.519,"endTime":1013.759,"body":"Those particular swims to an end that was getting put on the Instagram and through MS Auckland and"},{"startTime":1013.759,"endTime":1018.399,"body":"just encouraging people, you know, just to stay active, which was what my key thing was. So that's"},{"startTime":1018.399,"endTime":1026.24,"body":"what I was doing and I finished there. I had a few setbacks, you know, covered, broken foot,"},{"startTime":1026.24,"endTime":1030.799,"body":"things like that. But I finished off with, I wanted to do Rangytoto again because that was my goal."},{"startTime":1031.759,"endTime":1040.16,"body":"Yeah, but for me now, I think that's a bridge too far. Um, but we'll see. We'll see."},{"startTime":1040.88,"endTime":1048.88,"body":"Is that a bridge too far from, from a training perspective, Duncan, or is it just sort of too much"},{"startTime":1048.88,"endTime":1054.88,"body":"of a stretch to put your body through such intense exercise for whatever it is. And I want to half"},{"startTime":1054.96,"endTime":1060.4,"body":"to two hours. Yeah, it's, it's, it's more the, it's not that I can't do it. It's just more that"},{"startTime":1060.4,"endTime":1069.2,"body":"my body won't let me do it. My, I've got quite, uh, bad atrophy and my left leg. So it's a lot"},{"startTime":1069.2,"endTime":1073.68,"body":"weaker than my right leg. And that's why if you see me sometimes on the limping and people,"},{"startTime":1073.68,"endTime":1078.4,"body":"people always used to ask me, man, your limping and I used to say, oh, you're rugby injury,"},{"startTime":1078.4,"endTime":1084.88,"body":"you know, rugby injury. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, but now, like today, today, for instance,"},{"startTime":1084.88,"endTime":1088.88,"body":"I went for, it was beautiful. I think this morning, stunning, stunning. So, you know, we had the"},{"startTime":1088.88,"endTime":1095.279,"body":"bit, the kippers and we said, oh, it was my fault. I said, uh, right, let's go greenstick. You"},{"startTime":1095.279,"endTime":1103.359,"body":"know, it's beautiful. And, um, cold people with MS sometimes the heat sets off their MS. For me,"},{"startTime":1103.359,"endTime":1108.96,"body":"it's the cold sets off my nervous system. And so off we went, Mark and Jonathan,"},{"startTime":1110.079,"endTime":1115.68,"body":"Martin and we all went out there and got to the greenstick and I could film myself my body starting"},{"startTime":1115.68,"endTime":1121.44,"body":"to, you know, my mind was okay, but my body was starting to shut down and then on the way back,"},{"startTime":1121.44,"endTime":1127.359,"body":"it wasn't easy. And then I got out and I could hardly walk the body just the, the nerves won't"},{"startTime":1127.359,"endTime":1131.92,"body":"signal to the legs. So yeah, that was, so I just have to be, that was a bit of a silly thing to do"},{"startTime":1131.92,"endTime":1136.799,"body":"actually. So I've got to be careful. Um, so yeah, it's not, so I don't want to, it's just that, yeah."},{"startTime":1137.92,"endTime":1142.559,"body":"The morning was cold, right? It was probably 14 degrees or so in, in the ocean this morning."},{"startTime":1144.079,"endTime":1151.519,"body":"That was, yeah, I think that, uh, yeah, I think that, uh, the kippers do it a little bit colder."},{"startTime":1151.519,"endTime":1157.44,"body":"It's also, it's colder in the, in the harbor. Yeah, it's, yeah, yeah. You guys are"},{"startTime":1157.759,"endTime":1164.88,"body":"there and it's, it is jammers. So he was out there. So, yeah, he's, yeah, he's special."},{"startTime":1166.88,"endTime":1175.599,"body":"He is, and Rochelle was there. So yeah, but yeah, so that's, you know, I just, I love swimming,"},{"startTime":1175.599,"endTime":1180.72,"body":"I love the feeling of it, I love the freedom of it. Um, and I know it's good for me and it's just"},{"startTime":1180.72,"endTime":1186.88,"body":"that, once I change that mindset of not really worrying about the distance or the time, it just makes"},{"startTime":1186.88,"endTime":1192.559,"body":"life a hell of a lot easier for me. Yeah, 100%. Because nobody really cares, right? I mean, I,"},{"startTime":1192.559,"endTime":1197.759,"body":"I really just, I mean, maybe it's as you get older as well, you don't care how fast or how far or"},{"startTime":1197.759,"endTime":1203.359,"body":"where you came in the race. It's just about being there, right? And, and generally, um, I'm hoping"},{"startTime":1203.359,"endTime":1208.24,"body":"the image doesn't affect your, your coffee status, because swimming is all about coffee afterwards,"},{"startTime":1208.24,"endTime":1213.92,"body":"right? With your mates, uh, it's, it's 100% man. 100% is one of those, uh, always kill it wrong."},{"startTime":1213.92,"endTime":1219.599,"body":"One of those raisin, Pinarello things, I can never say, well, it's cool, you know, from, uh,"},{"startTime":1219.599,"endTime":1226.079,"body":"Eric F, uh, but yeah, fear that's, that's the most important thing for me now is, is swimming with"},{"startTime":1226.079,"endTime":1235.44,"body":"friends, you know, and, um, you know, amazing thing about swimming is it's just, you meet people"},{"startTime":1235.44,"endTime":1238.96,"body":"that you'd probably never meet in everyday life, you know, and you meet them there because you've"},{"startTime":1238.96,"endTime":1245.839,"body":"got some commonality, which is just swimming. Exactly. 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Yeah, and then, yeah, I put myself on social media, and I'm not a fan of social"},{"startTime":1615.039,"endTime":1624.0,"body":"media, and it was a hard thing to do, but my whole thing is, if, if I can, you know, be sort of"},{"startTime":1624.0,"endTime":1630.0,"body":"some sort of role model for those people with MS that it is possible, um, yeah, then that's,"},{"startTime":1630.0,"endTime":1636.559,"body":"that's helping one person, you know, with it. I work for MS Auckland as well as a, um,"},{"startTime":1636.559,"endTime":1644.079,"body":"peer support person, so, and they particularly sort of use me for, uh, it's more, it's harder for"},{"startTime":1644.079,"endTime":1650.799,"body":"men with MS than it seems to be with women for being accepted here, and, um, especially for"},{"startTime":1650.799,"endTime":1656.64,"body":"men over 50, so they sort of put me in, they put them in contact with me, and we just, we just"},{"startTime":1656.64,"endTime":1663.359,"body":"have a chat and just, to the fat and, um, trying to sort of, uh, question me a bit on my exercise,"},{"startTime":1663.359,"endTime":1671.119,"body":"and how that helps, or maybe mitigates the stunts here. Hello swimmers, I'm Shannon Keegan,"},{"startTime":1671.68,"endTime":1676.88,"body":"US-based founder of Intrepid Water, and host of the podcast Stories from the Water."},{"startTime":1677.92,"endTime":1682.559,"body":"My friends at Swimscape in Auckland, New Zealand are the proud ambassadors of Auckland's"},{"startTime":1682.64,"endTime":1689.68,"body":"most iconic ocean marathon swim, the 20 kilometers around Rangitoto Volcano in the Haraki Gulf."},{"startTime":1690.559,"endTime":1696.96,"body":"This is a very achievable marathon swim that, like all long-distance swims, will live in your memories"},{"startTime":1696.96,"endTime":1702.16,"body":"forever. I don't know about you, but I've got this swim on my bucket list for when I get to visit"},{"startTime":1702.16,"endTime":1711.839,"body":"the beautiful land of the Kiwi. Jump on swimscape.co.nz or email info at swimscape.co.nz to book your"},{"startTime":1711.839,"endTime":1721.039,"body":"slot. See you in the water. Exercise really helps you. Is that a general thing for all MS"},{"startTime":1721.039,"endTime":1727.68,"body":"people that, uh, the physical activity? I mean, it helps us, you know, in terms of just general"},{"startTime":1727.68,"endTime":1734.799,"body":"health and well-being, but is it, is it's got specific advantages? Um, yeah, yeah, Jim,"},{"startTime":1734.799,"endTime":1738.96,"body":"actually, 100% has a set you're right, it helps for anybody, yeah, especially when you're getting"},{"startTime":1739.599,"endTime":1743.839,"body":"older, but I think back in the early days and what I understand, you know, back in the 80s and"},{"startTime":1743.839,"endTime":1750.319,"body":"that, when the MRIs came around, which I think was the late 80s or early 80s, basically,"},{"startTime":1750.319,"endTime":1754.96,"body":"in yourologist would say that the people with MS, you know, hey, good luck. Go home, nothing"},{"startTime":1754.96,"endTime":1759.68,"body":"we can do for you, you know, being a wheelchair in five years and, you know, good luck to you."},{"startTime":1760.24,"endTime":1767.44,"body":"But now, you know, exercise is one of the key medicines that they specifically sort of say,"},{"startTime":1767.44,"endTime":1770.96,"body":"you've got to, you've got to keep active. It's not a double-edged swordboat because"},{"startTime":1772.24,"endTime":1778.0,"body":"it does, it does hurt my body. Yeah, it's not a pleasant thing because of the"},{"startTime":1779.119,"endTime":1784.48,"body":"neuropath, neuropathic pain you get and then the, what to, I mean, the atrophy and my left leg,"},{"startTime":1784.48,"endTime":1789.92,"body":"my whole sort of systems out of line, but at the same time, it's actually doing it good if,"},{"startTime":1789.92,"endTime":1801.279,"body":"you know, what it means. So, yeah, so I firmly believe. 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I'm able to do the stuff that I want it to do. So, yeah. How old are you now?"},{"startTime":1930.4,"endTime":1939.119,"body":"Yeah, I've got a whole lot of crazy summers. 54. I mean, you look like you're 34. So something's"},{"startTime":1939.92,"endTime":1951.599,"body":"working. Wow. So that's everything, son. Hey, so you're saying so?"},{"startTime":1951.599,"endTime":1956.16,"body":"Oh, man. Well, you're not going to die from sun tainey. So they figured you'd die from a"},{"startTime":1956.16,"endTime":1961.039,"body":"panger in the back of your head or something like that for a cell phone. So you're still better"},{"startTime":1961.039,"endTime":1968.319,"body":"off here, right? Yeah. We're calling down a manhole. It's gone. Yes, man, that was the funniest"},{"startTime":1968.319,"endTime":1973.359,"body":"thing hey before I came here I was trying to explain to Jim they were"},{"startTime":1973.359,"endTime":1979.119,"body":"replacing manhole covers with these big plastic covers by the time I came"},{"startTime":1979.119,"endTime":1982.96,"body":"over because obviously they were you know they were being stolen and sold"},{"startTime":1982.96,"endTime":1988.319,"body":"us as scrap metal and they were causing massive damage car accidents"},{"startTime":1988.319,"endTime":1993.44,"body":"pedestrian injuries that's crazy we're going to go running out just"},{"startTime":1993.44,"endTime":1998.799,"body":"to put my head down for the old ground it's great we could make some money"},{"startTime":1998.799,"endTime":2005.519,"body":"yeah Duncan we could go into manhole relocation activities yeah yeah yeah"},{"startTime":2005.519,"endTime":2012.4,"body":"jump you in now I'm a little bit of Duncan sorry I'm 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but I swam last Tuesday into a howling westerly"},{"startTime":2101.519,"endTime":2108.0,"body":"straight into uh yeah howling westerly straight into an incoming tide"},{"startTime":2108.0,"endTime":2112.4,"body":"and you know you're just getting thrown everywhere and not going anywhere"},{"startTime":2112.4,"endTime":2120.239,"body":"um yeah yeah yeah it's just my favourite place so it's just uh yeah it has to be"},{"startTime":2120.239,"endTime":2125.519,"body":"managed managed to have any encounters with dolphins or any sort of sea life out there"},{"startTime":2126.4,"endTime":2130.48,"body":"all right oh actually another place to tell you the truth sorry as my"},{"startTime":2130.48,"endTime":2136.639,"body":"favourite place is um up at Metapurri so we we stay up there and we swim to"},{"startTime":2136.639,"endTime":2141.679,"body":"whale bay so I did have an experience up there oh"},{"startTime":2141.679,"endTime":2145.199,"body":"like five years ago swimming with a couple of 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north"},{"startTime":2215.76,"endTime":2222.88,"body":"short people technically so what can we do to to help you get through"},{"startTime":2222.88,"endTime":2229.28,"body":"maybe a ringy totus from next to Duncan do you need some training bodies"},{"startTime":2229.28,"endTime":2232.159,"body":"what can we do man we want to get you through that"},{"startTime":2232.159,"endTime":2235.28,"body":"oh no the things man mark and I have we've been we've"},{"startTime":2235.28,"endTime":2240.88,"body":"chatted over the time and it's yeah it's always sitting there and I really do"},{"startTime":2240.88,"endTime":2245.92,"body":"want to do it and the key thing is probably"},{"startTime":2245.92,"endTime":2250.96,"body":"it's more I suppose it's nervous of not you know not"},{"startTime":2250.96,"endTime":2254.719,"body":"not making it because if I start something I always want to finish it if you"},{"startTime":2254.719,"endTime":2258.559,"body":"know what I mean I don't want to ever get to a 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you"},{"startTime":2308.8,"endTime":2312.559,"body":"have good days near bed days in the body sometimes"},{"startTime":2312.559,"endTime":2316.159,"body":"it's a what they call a snowflake disease because everybody's different"},{"startTime":2316.159,"endTime":2318.96,"body":"and it's an invisible disease I don't have a broken arm"},{"startTime":2318.96,"endTime":2322.719,"body":"but I don't have an arm that works very well or a leg"},{"startTime":2322.719,"endTime":2330.559,"body":"and so yeah it's just maybe yeah comes from it with me Duncan"},{"startTime":2330.559,"endTime":2336.559,"body":"our comes from a routine man we'll we'll lower the standards a bit and come"},{"startTime":2336.559,"endTime":2339.84,"body":"across to to Koei and swimming the mud there this"},{"startTime":2339.84,"endTime":2347.599,"body":"no stress with me we can do that I tell you I tell you what we can do"},{"startTime":2347.599,"endTime":2355.92,"body":"um Gemina are hosting a swim in November for men's 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have"},{"startTime":2404.239,"endTime":2407.28,"body":"a wetsuit on he's going to bring his friends along as well and he'll do one or"},{"startTime":2407.28,"endTime":2411.28,"body":"two but it's uh it's a it's a type of environment again"},{"startTime":2411.28,"endTime":2417.679,"body":"where we swim one mile on the hour every hour and you can come and do one"},{"startTime":2417.679,"endTime":2422.4,"body":"you know have have a rest do another one do do three do five do do as many"},{"startTime":2422.48,"endTime":2426.559,"body":"as you want right but again safe environment a couple of iOBs on the water"},{"startTime":2426.559,"endTime":2432.159,"body":"and paddleboarders looking after us and um you know the the whole idea is to"},{"startTime":2432.159,"endTime":2436.639,"body":"try and just raise awareness for for mental health so you can maybe sort of"},{"startTime":2436.639,"endTime":2439.599,"body":"jump on your social media and and do some awareness"},{"startTime":2439.599,"endTime":2444.719,"body":"oh love to raise well cool you know put your name down"},{"startTime":2444.719,"endTime":2448.8,"body":"yeah please do I mean you know that was one of the key things for me was"},{"startTime":2448.8,"endTime":2452.239,"body":"I was you know I remember old man old man's 84-year"},{"startTime":2452.239,"endTime":2457.199,"body":"farmer and he said to me as unusual for somebody of his age"},{"startTime":2457.199,"endTime":2461.28,"body":"he said to me years ago he said he'd never ever be afraid to get help"},{"startTime":2461.28,"endTime":2466.079,"body":"and so you know it's pretty amazing coming from somebody of his generation"},{"startTime":2466.079,"endTime":2471.44,"body":"yeah and yeah I I was soon as I got him asked me and I was straight to a"},{"startTime":2471.44,"endTime":2474.4,"body":"psychologist you know I was like I've got to get I've got to have help"},{"startTime":2474.48,"endTime":2479.44,"body":"I can't do this on my own um you know I went I still got my psychologist so"},{"startTime":2479.44,"endTime":2483.599,"body":"I haven't seen him much lately uh he deals with people with spinal cord injuries"},{"startTime":2484.32,"endTime":2488.719,"body":"so sort of the same sort of um sort of yeah"},{"startTime":2488.719,"endTime":2493.039,"body":"facet that you know that I've got with the with the spine and the brain so"},{"startTime":2493.039,"endTime":2500.239,"body":"yeah 100% you know behind that's uh yeah that especially for men"},{"startTime":2500.239,"endTime":2502.639,"body":"yeah because like you say like your old man"},{"startTime":2502.639,"endTime":2508.48,"body":"men are pretty stubborn right so yeah yeah it's awesome and it's uh"},{"startTime":2508.48,"endTime":2514.079,"body":"he's such he's such a good thing oh my king he's good yeah man"},{"startTime":2514.079,"endTime":2518.559,"body":"count me in on that one count me in on that one"},{"startTime":2519.679,"endTime":2527.76,"body":"Jim yeah no I think this is this has been a wonderful chat it's good to"},{"startTime":2527.92,"endTime":2536.159,"body":"smith you yeah thank you and um it's good it's good to get the message out of"},{"startTime":2536.159,"endTime":2540.8,"body":"you know about about a mess because you know um I had to do a bit of research before"},{"startTime":2540.8,"endTime":2544.559,"body":"talking to you because I thought I knew about it and then I said didn't"},{"startTime":2545.119,"endTime":2550.559,"body":"yeah so the more people you know about it the the more sort of yeah it's"},{"startTime":2550.559,"endTime":2556.4,"body":"going to help yeah absolutely Jim I mean I was the same before I I had very"},{"startTime":2556.48,"endTime":2562.159,"body":"heard of it but didn't know what it was about and um you know the more people can"},{"startTime":2562.159,"endTime":2566.639,"body":"be aware of it the better you know it's like anything um yes it's uh"},{"startTime":2566.639,"endTime":2569.36,"body":"and unfortunately more and more people are starting to be diagnosed with"},{"startTime":2569.36,"endTime":2574.96,"body":"you miss it I know why but yeah um anyway uh yeah more"},{"startTime":2574.96,"endTime":2577.28,"body":"I can do so thanks very much for having me on uh"},{"startTime":2577.28,"endTime":2582.719,"body":"appreciate it yeah man thanks thanks for your time Duncan how can people get hold"},{"startTime":2582.8,"endTime":2587.599,"body":"of you if um if they want to ask you any questions or if they want to"},{"startTime":2587.599,"endTime":2593.519,"body":"follow you and your progression yeah 100 percent um I've got a"},{"startTime":2593.519,"endTime":2599.199,"body":"Instagram account swim for MS yeah it can catch me on that um I had a"},{"startTime":2599.199,"endTime":2601.84,"body":"little bit of a break from it for the last couple of months but I've just"},{"startTime":2601.84,"endTime":2606.159,"body":"started posting again I actually that was a mental thing I was like oh man"},{"startTime":2606.159,"endTime":2608.8,"body":"our social media now and uh and then I start"},{"startTime":2608.88,"endTime":2613.36,"body":"no actually yeah this is the way you can maybe reach somebody or help"},{"startTime":2613.36,"endTime":2618.719,"body":"somebody with MS so uh or just raise awareness so yeah you can"},{"startTime":2618.719,"endTime":2622.0,"body":"if you want to ask me any questions or want to follow"},{"startTime":2622.0,"endTime":2627.44,"body":"tuning more than welcome to swim for MS it's my Instagram account"},{"startTime":2627.44,"endTime":2631.679,"body":"awesome Duncan we'll see you in the water dude and we'll see you"},{"startTime":2631.679,"endTime":2636.32,"body":"we'll see you at uh 12 bar 12 bar one mile in November"},{"startTime":2636.32,"endTime":2641.84,"body":"take it easy and kick some ass man how are we doing man 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