{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"startTime":0.0,"endTime":16.94,"body":"Welcome to another Clever Dicks podcast. In this podcast we're talking to Stephen"},{"startTime":16.94,"endTime":23.359,"body":"Moore and his wife Joe. Stephen and Joe are a pair of competitive swimmers, at least in"},{"startTime":23.359,"endTime":28.719,"body":"their youth, originally from the UK. Stephen swims quite a lot with Duncan and I and"},{"startTime":28.719,"endTime":35.439,"body":"our little group. In this podcast, Stephen tells us about his cold water swimming experience as"},{"startTime":35.439,"endTime":40.399,"body":"he's done some ice swimming and been to the world champs and Joe tells us of what it's like"},{"startTime":40.399,"endTime":46.799,"body":"supporting a cold water swimmer. I'm not sure that Stephen's going to convince anybody to actually"},{"startTime":46.799,"endTime":52.479,"body":"start ice swimming, he's pretty clear about it but it is a great chat and I think you're going"},{"startTime":52.479,"endTime":58.64,"body":"to enjoy it. Okay well welcome to another Clevverdex podcast. In this podcast we're talking to"},{"startTime":58.64,"endTime":67.439,"body":"Stephen and Joe. Hi. Welcome guys. Hi thank you. Cool so we normally just start by giving you guys"},{"startTime":67.439,"endTime":74.799,"body":"an opportunity to tell us your story, your swim story. So you're both swimmers and I thought maybe"},{"startTime":74.799,"endTime":79.359,"body":"you could let it go now Joe are you going to tell Stephen's story for him or are you going to"},{"startTime":79.68,"endTime":89.04,"body":"tell his own story? I think Stephen can speak for himself. Cool guys. Hi so I'm I started swimming."},{"startTime":89.04,"endTime":96.159,"body":"I think when I was about five years old my parents made sure I could swim and I was soon"},{"startTime":97.28,"endTime":105.519,"body":"I found myself in a swimming club and I stayed swimming in I think with Peter were a swimming"},{"startTime":105.519,"endTime":113.519,"body":"club. I stayed with them for just about 17 doing a lot of training I was doing about 20 hours a"},{"startTime":113.519,"endTime":121.519,"body":"week and Gala's every weekend which is where I think I might have met Joe first of all we're not"},{"startTime":121.519,"endTime":126.079,"body":"too sure on that one. Not knowingly met each other but we think we were probably at the same"},{"startTime":127.04,"endTime":136.879,"body":"year. We competed. Not against each other. I don't think I have the cut to compete against each other."},{"startTime":139.12,"endTime":145.36,"body":"Back in those days I was a breaststroke so I specialising like 100 breaststroke 200 breaststroke and"},{"startTime":146.4,"endTime":151.36,"body":"I reached the heady heights of getting to the nationals in the UK and"},{"startTime":151.52,"endTime":160.479,"body":"it was that point when I came 76th in the country in my age group that I thought I don't really"},{"startTime":160.479,"endTime":166.96,"body":"want to do this anymore and I sort of gave up. I discovered sex drugs and rock and roll."},{"startTime":167.919,"endTime":173.199,"body":"That's where you go now Joe. Oh that's me right now. I was not on the scene."},{"startTime":177.84,"endTime":184.24,"body":"Yeah I gave it up completely and I just got bored with it you know just like endless lengths"},{"startTime":184.24,"endTime":193.68,"body":"up and down up and down. How old were you? That was about 17 and yeah so there's a whole story"},{"startTime":193.759,"endTime":204.319,"body":"there before we moved to New Zealand and then discovered the Delights of Ocean Swimming and then it"},{"startTime":204.319,"endTime":214.0,"body":"was Joe who got me into the local group which is to marinate buckets and they go out every Sunday"},{"startTime":214.0,"endTime":220.319,"body":"and I started to join them and started to do a bit more swimming, join Debenport Swim Club."},{"startTime":220.8,"endTime":232.319,"body":"This is now sort of age 50ish. Oh 40ish. So I had that massive great big gap and it took the ages"},{"startTime":232.319,"endTime":240.0,"body":"to get back into swimming and there was that that realisation that what you used to be able to do"},{"startTime":240.0,"endTime":246.08,"body":"when you were 17 is nothing like you can do now and your body does not work in the same way"},{"startTime":246.719,"endTime":254.479,"body":"and I have to change my stroke. I developed various shoulder problems, arm problems and"},{"startTime":257.04,"endTime":260.959,"body":"it's something you have to get to grip with as you're getting older that you cannot do the same"},{"startTime":260.959,"endTime":268.0,"body":"things and you have to alter it and yeah that's been a long process. Did you just go like straight"},{"startTime":268.0,"endTime":274.0,"body":"into the ocean or were you jumping into the pool and doing some sort of technical stuff?"},{"startTime":274.24,"endTime":280.56,"body":"It was a bit of a technical dude yeah. When I was going into the pool I was just the muscle"},{"startTime":280.56,"endTime":288.56,"body":"memory was there but it was just trying to figure out why I'm going as fast and forget about the"},{"startTime":289.439,"endTime":298.879,"body":"the beer belly I had and half-right is coming on but yeah it was into the pool and it's"},{"startTime":298.959,"endTime":305.439,"body":"focusing on those strokes and in the ocean I was a bit of a windpipe, wetsuits on, hats on,"},{"startTime":306.16,"endTime":316.16,"body":"little booties on and yeah I'm just going round the boys and I started to enjoy that more and more"},{"startTime":316.959,"endTime":328.56,"body":"and the ocean swim series I started doing that, doing a bit more competition and then I dumped the"},{"startTime":328.56,"endTime":336.079,"body":"wetsuits and there was a couple of people in the buckets who weren't using it at all they're"},{"startTime":336.079,"endTime":344.079,"body":"going out I thought I could do that and so I did and then I heard about ice swimming thank you"},{"startTime":344.879,"endTime":353.68,"body":"I blame you for that and I thought I could do that nobody stopped me so again this is your"},{"startTime":359.36,"endTime":364.319,"body":"so quick question yeah sure why were they called at the buckets because they all had those"},{"startTime":364.319,"endTime":368.959,"body":"big plastic buckets at least but they're closing they're leaving on the side by the toilet block"},{"startTime":368.959,"endTime":373.04,"body":"okay yeah and everything was still in there when you came back from your swim right?"},{"startTime":373.92,"endTime":379.439,"body":"yes surprisingly I think it's because it's Sunday morning you know it's also New Zealand"},{"startTime":380.24,"endTime":389.519,"body":"okay so but okay so prior to the ice swimming scenario you you you quickly skated over the fact"},{"startTime":389.519,"endTime":396.879,"body":"that you did sort of the ocean swim series in scenario yeah but you've always been pretty"},{"startTime":396.879,"endTime":403.04,"body":"competitive with that right so you like to race right so I'm not jumping myself for example"},{"startTime":403.04,"endTime":409.279,"body":"we'll just go and hack through it yeah you're quite specific and technical around what position"},{"startTime":409.279,"endTime":414.72,"body":"you came and was your time faster than last year and you know you're quite a technical"},{"startTime":415.759,"endTime":422.16,"body":"master swimmer if I can put it that way okay would I be correct or not yeah I was I don't worry"},{"startTime":422.16,"endTime":429.12,"body":"about it so much these days but it was am I getting better? Joe's not in her head aggressively"},{"startTime":429.12,"endTime":436.0,"body":"yeah so just yeah I think what I'd say is that you're absolutely right Steven sort of takes"},{"startTime":436.0,"endTime":442.48,"body":"a scientific approach to swimmer so so that whole relearning to swim when you came to New Zealand"},{"startTime":442.48,"endTime":447.439,"body":"I mean like I I was in the buckets and I would just swim around the boys and that was me where's"},{"startTime":447.439,"endTime":454.56,"body":"the coffee you know whereas Steven you know he you've got the swim smooth board he practices strokes"},{"startTime":454.56,"endTime":461.04,"body":"he's really you know always looking at how to you know just make that adjustment and so forth"},{"startTime":461.04,"endTime":465.6,"body":"and the same with racing you know you'll really think about it and you'll you'll know what pace you"},{"startTime":465.6,"endTime":474.72,"body":"want to do and you'll you know you you do it in a very 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swimming again when um I think"},{"startTime":743.039,"endTime":748.08,"body":"I was just not feeling able to run for a while it was a body wasn't working with that so you know"},{"startTime":748.08,"endTime":755.6,"body":"just study swimming and hence getting into the buckets and so forth so I I I I feel that swimming"},{"startTime":755.6,"endTime":761.44,"body":"is like my secondary thing um rather than my first thing um but obviously I get more involved"},{"startTime":761.44,"endTime":768.08,"body":"because I'm there to spot Steven yeah yeah both so the the ocean swimming and the ice swimming so"},{"startTime":768.799,"endTime":773.759,"body":"I'm part of the community in a different way yeah it's pretty it's so nice to do things together"},{"startTime":773.759,"endTime":780.0,"body":"exactly exactly that's that's like some of the things that people don't often speak about but if"},{"startTime":780.0,"endTime":787.2,"body":"you've got like a a joint um extreme your activity it's it's so cool I think that's awesome"},{"startTime":788.08,"endTime":796.159,"body":"so um do you do races um in swimming yep no no I don't you don't want to go forward with the world"},{"startTime":797.279,"endTime":802.559,"body":"breaststroke breaststroke championship or something like that it's not not a goal for me um but I"},{"startTime":803.039,"endTime":810.879,"body":"gradually getting drawn into this ice swimming um so um when we were in um well they know at the"},{"startTime":810.879,"endTime":817.679,"body":"world champs I um went in the lake with some other swimmers and it was the first time I'd been in"},{"startTime":817.679,"endTime":824.399,"body":"sub five and it was incredibly painful um going in because I haven't ever been anywhere in"},{"startTime":824.399,"endTime":830.32,"body":"that sort of um and uh Steven's got a video of me swimming three strokes of breaststroke and then"},{"startTime":830.32,"endTime":836.08,"body":"standing up and say I'm getting out now um 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when you do one you want to do another so yeah um so"},{"startTime":889.84,"endTime":894.24,"body":"we'll see watch this space yeah well that's what happened with Laura when she came down she only"},{"startTime":894.24,"endTime":899.12,"body":"wanted to do the sprints and ended up going all the way through to a kilometer I was suggesting"},{"startTime":899.2,"endTime":906.399,"body":"you should but yeah yeah yeah yeah absolutely yeah yeah um but now I I do enjoy it and when I first"},{"startTime":906.399,"endTime":912.24,"body":"went down to sport stim with the ice swim I was thinking I will do this because obviously he needs"},{"startTime":912.24,"endTime":918.48,"body":"the sport and that's fine and good um but I wasn't expecting to enjoy it I was expecting to feel"},{"startTime":918.48,"endTime":924.24,"body":"there would be a lot of hanging around being a bit bored and I was actually blown away by it"},{"startTime":924.32,"endTime":930.08,"body":"because the community is such fun and there was a lot for me to do that was useful I think my"},{"startTime":930.08,"endTime":935.2,"body":"favourite thing is being outdoors and active you know so it was just perfect for that yeah I think"},{"startTime":935.2,"endTime":942.08,"body":"those those ice swimming events are pretty good because nobody really stands around doing doing"},{"startTime":942.08,"endTime":946.639,"body":"nothing there's always something for somebody to do whether you're seconding somebody or timekeeping"},{"startTime":946.639,"endTime":952.639,"body":"or you know out on the on the safety crew on the IOB or something like that you know this it's"},{"startTime":952.639,"endTime":959.919,"body":"pretty cool right hey cleverdick's listeners I'm Merlotte the head coach from swimsuit Auckland"},{"startTime":960.48,"endTime":965.679,"body":"wondering how to improve your stroke or break through your performance plateau our swim analysis"},{"startTime":965.679,"endTime":970.879,"body":"session will help unlock your potential by capturing your stroke from every angle and showing how"},{"startTime":970.879,"endTime":976.799,"body":"to correct it we use a swimsuit methodology focusing on the individual rather than the stroke"},{"startTime":976.879,"endTime":982.96,"body":"user code cleverdicks to get 15% off if you book a bit analysis session before the end of this"},{"startTime":982.96,"endTime":988.879,"body":"year and if you're an Auckland or visiting come check out our awesome squad the first session"},{"startTime":988.879,"endTime":993.36,"body":"always free find us online swimsuitorclin.go.nz"},{"startTime":996.32,"endTime":1005.2,"body":"So Steven what what was your first ice swimming adventure how it's been a couple of years now"},{"startTime":1005.2,"endTime":1013.279,"body":"yeah um I did some bathons was the first proper ice swim I'd done obviously living in subtropical"},{"startTime":1013.279,"endTime":1022.32,"body":"Auckland it's very difficult to find any kind of cold water and I did the kilometer there I did"},{"startTime":1022.32,"endTime":1032.16,"body":"I think a 250 a 500 and a kilometer and that was an interesting experience because I don't really"},{"startTime":1032.16,"endTime":1041.759,"body":"remember much about it it was um I think the 500 I did I got in and I got out and I don't"},{"startTime":1041.759,"endTime":1050.4,"body":"remember swimming it I don't remember getting warm um and but when I did the kilometer I can"},{"startTime":1050.4,"endTime":1059.92,"body":"remember it in every tiny detail of pain we're getting in as they try to get your breath you know"},{"startTime":1059.92,"endTime":1067.119,"body":"for those first like hundred strokes and the getting out and then the pain of the recovery"},{"startTime":1068.319,"endTime":1074.799,"body":"I mean I think how many times I've used the word pain now um yeah and I remember it in absolute"},{"startTime":1074.799,"endTime":1087.2,"body":"vivid detail um but I wanted to go back so do you reckon so there was your first experience"},{"startTime":1087.2,"endTime":1094.4,"body":"also at sub five yeah so and your first one would have been the 250 I believe so I don't okay"},{"startTime":1094.4,"endTime":1102.4,"body":"was you did the 250 because you wanted to just try out you know so you did that first oh yeah I"},{"startTime":1102.4,"endTime":1109.839,"body":"didn't do it as the actual no you did I was pretty it was just a warm cool down swim yeah yeah yes so just"},{"startTime":1109.839,"endTime":1115.44,"body":"take us do because I mean we all talk about sub five and ask for me but I like if if you've never done it"},{"startTime":1117.2,"endTime":1123.839,"body":"it's difficult to understand what it's about right so I mean yeah take us through the kilometer"},{"startTime":1123.839,"endTime":1131.519,"body":"right what um so take us from you're in the teen to art and you get your cooler yeah oh it starts"},{"startTime":1131.519,"endTime":1138.96,"body":"a lot earlier 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and it's just for the benefit the other swimmer's behind you you know because you know if you"},{"startTime":1184.16,"endTime":1189.2,"body":"melt down before you've gone in you know they're gonna have problems so yeah you just get him"},{"startTime":1189.2,"endTime":1199.039,"body":"and there's that shock of the cold on your chest and you can't breathe and it's just like"},{"startTime":1199.039,"endTime":1208.72,"body":"having to relax into the cold let the pain of like come in and slow the breathing down"},{"startTime":1209.599,"endTime":1217.599,"body":"slow your uh stroke rate down and by the time you've all focused on that you've probably hit"},{"startTime":1217.599,"endTime":1226.0,"body":"like um the first boy and like you've done about 125 meters or something and then it's just like"},{"startTime":1226.0,"endTime":1231.279,"body":"oh there's a long way to go now and set some bathrooms you go all the way down to a 500 and you 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and"},{"startTime":1279.279,"endTime":1285.2,"body":"you know you have to spit it out and just focus and you won't you start to do a bit of over rotation"},{"startTime":1285.839,"endTime":1290.72,"body":"so that you can actually make sure you're getting air so your stroke your stroke just goes to"},{"startTime":1290.72,"endTime":1299.44,"body":"pieces like last 300 meters and when you can see the end it seems to be an awful long time"},{"startTime":1299.44,"endTime":1308.88,"body":"getting there and you can see people jumping up and down on the side um you can't hear anything"},{"startTime":1308.88,"endTime":1317.039,"body":"because I usually wear earplugs you know um and all of a sudden you're there and then somebody's"},{"startTime":1317.039,"endTime":1325.839,"body":"of like helping you up and then you've got the pain of feet on stones you have to walk into glass"},{"startTime":1326.559,"endTime":1331.44,"body":"yeah and I think at that point we were taking people into I could take into a tent got dressed"},{"startTime":1331.519,"endTime":1339.839,"body":"and then taken to the medical yeah um yeah so the getting dressed was fine and then the medical"},{"startTime":1339.839,"endTime":1348.559,"body":"him I just shook her a long time and I think I can't remember how long it was and how I said"},{"startTime":1348.559,"endTime":1355.759,"body":"about an hour or so I was out and um who was your who was your buddy on that first one"},{"startTime":1356.24,"endTime":1362.24,"body":"um I think it was me wasn't it yeah you were there and there was somebody else helping as well yeah"},{"startTime":1362.24,"endTime":1370.319,"body":"Brian I think yeah yeah she would have been in the medical team so that would have been I guess"},{"startTime":1370.319,"endTime":1378.88,"body":"for you comforting knowing that that Jo's the community how did it make you feel um to be honest I"},{"startTime":1378.88,"endTime":1383.279,"body":"find the build up to the event worse than the event 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rangitoto volcano in the haraki golf"},{"startTime":2111.36,"endTime":2117.84,"body":"this is a very achievable marathon swim that like all long distance swims will live in your memories"},{"startTime":2117.84,"endTime":2123.039,"body":"forever i don't know about you but i've got this swim on my bucket list for when i get to visit"},{"startTime":2123.039,"endTime":2132.639,"body":"the beautiful land of the kiwi jump on swimscate.co.nz or email info at swimscate.co.nz to book your"},{"startTime":2132.639,"endTime":2139.679,"body":"slot see you in the water. What would you have swan like what would their"},{"startTime":2139.679,"endTime":2146.719,"body":"crew then be in in a standard pool of warm water i mean are you so much faster than that?"},{"startTime":2146.719,"endTime":2157.84,"body":"yes over the 15 or 15 30 something like that yeah so like a minute and a half ish or more"},{"startTime":2157.84,"endTime":2165.679,"body":"slower in the ice yeah yeah okay does it does it aggravate you?"},{"startTime":2166.8,"endTime":2172.8,"body":"we know it's going to happen because we know that the muscles aren't working properly and it takes"},{"startTime":2172.8,"endTime":2179.44,"body":"quite some time to get you breathing into control it's just part of it and yeah the challenge really"},{"startTime":2179.44,"endTime":2189.92,"body":"isn't it? yeah so what's the fastest? i'll cover a kilometer yeah um i don't know come on"},{"startTime":2189.92,"endTime":2198.079,"body":"you know i have to go into the stuff oh god there's got some of the 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know you you need to start building up a"},{"startTime":2675.199,"endTime":2680.079,"body":"network and you need some way to actually start start meeting people yeah absolutely"},{"startTime":2682.079,"endTime":2689.76,"body":"what do you think about uh long distance swimming so you've obviously scratched that a little"},{"startTime":2690.559,"endTime":2699.84,"body":"yeah um any any goals down the line other other than the rain you swam um yeah i think"},{"startTime":2699.84,"endTime":2705.599,"body":"i'm doing the rain swim i'm never a couple like 20 k swims or something um i haven't got this"},{"startTime":2705.599,"endTime":2711.76,"body":"urge to do a janna um you know i don't do a hundred k or something like that i've got absolutely"},{"startTime":2711.76,"endTime":2719.519,"body":"no urge to do that um as my my body is sort of starting to pack up in various places and"},{"startTime":2719.76,"endTime":2728.559,"body":"um i enjoy swimming uh enjoy doing long distance but i don't 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think is the the biggest thing"},{"startTime":2782.48,"endTime":2790.239,"body":"um when you're doing it like and we've we've been out today and it was pretty awful with an"},{"startTime":2790.239,"endTime":2797.28,"body":"easter knee blowing in um waves everywhere and taking on lots of water not a nice swim but"},{"startTime":2797.84,"endTime":2804.32,"body":"getting out lovely yeah sitting down having having a coffee with with some good friends"},{"startTime":2804.96,"endTime":2809.92,"body":"yeah it's just it's absolutely lovely i'm kind of with you on that one yeah a lot of it for me"},{"startTime":2809.92,"endTime":2816.88,"body":"is just the challenge challenging myself and um trying to try to show that age doesn't have to stop"},{"startTime":2816.88,"endTime":2824.559,"body":"you loving life yes i think i'm swimming to support my old age you know so that i will be"},{"startTime":2824.639,"endTime":2830.159,"body":"fit as i'm going through you know i can continue to do swimming because i'm not going mad i'm not"},{"startTime":2830.159,"endTime":2837.92,"body":"ruining my body so i'm treating it like a temple maybe a bit too much beer every now and again"},{"startTime":2841.119,"endTime":2845.84,"body":"somebody described me as uh what was it an elite athlete or something like that because going"},{"startTime":2845.84,"endTime":2851.119,"body":"to a world champs um i see myself more on the kintas or like darts players you know elite"},{"startTime":2851.36,"endTime":2858.159,"body":"players you know i look at you as an elite athlete because you are number one in the world over an"},{"startTime":2858.159,"endTime":2868.239,"body":"us mile for your age group yes yes i do that's not mean to be time yeah that was i was"},{"startTime":2868.239,"endTime":2878.8,"body":"editing for like um doing it in 30 minutes and um yeah it sounds like i don't know how that happened"},{"startTime":2879.039,"endTime":2885.119,"body":"and i don't i don't also add about why you do it is is is the goal you have said you you like"},{"startTime":2885.119,"endTime":2891.28,"body":"setting in swimming this is not even in life in other ways but um in swimming um you like to"},{"startTime":2891.28,"endTime":2896.639,"body":"set a goal and you like to you know achieve that goal and and and go through the mental challenge"},{"startTime":2896.639,"endTime":2904.48,"body":"as and facing something hard and doing it and then you do like that and um yeah yes at the at"},{"startTime":2904.48,"endTime":2910.079,"body":"some patterns this year Stephen did his first isemile and yes he became ranked for well to be"},{"startTime":2910.079,"endTime":2915.679,"body":"ratified um first in the in the world in its age group but what he was so disappointed about was"},{"startTime":2915.679,"endTime":2920.96,"body":"it took him 30 minutes and 51 seconds and he wanted to do his sub 30 so it wasn't actually good"},{"startTime":2920.96,"endTime":2926.48,"body":"enough um in terms of what he'd set himself you know so so and that's what drives you i think"},{"startTime":2926.48,"endTime":2932.96,"body":"let's do and is it is is you you like to have something to work towards that's challenging um both"},{"startTime":2932.96,"endTime":2937.28,"body":"in terms of the physical but also the mental and and trying to achieve it and you've done that"},{"startTime":2937.28,"endTime":2942.639,"body":"through different things that allows you know you with different things that you've done"},{"startTime":2942.639,"endTime":2948.96,"body":"it's been setting yourself a goal and achieving it um i got two questions one is you mentioned that"},{"startTime":2949.679,"endTime":2958.159,"body":"that's not what he's like it's quite interesting that there's that big difference right because i'm"},{"startTime":2958.4,"endTime":2965.84,"body":"someone there art i mean just generally speaking i'm chaos didn't do that to me but when it comes"},{"startTime":2965.84,"endTime":2971.199,"body":"to swimming i'll i'll have a direction and i'll have a plan and i'll i'll get through it all right"},{"startTime":2972.159,"endTime":2978.32,"body":"it's what's important in life you know swimming yeah other question what did you say"},{"startTime":2978.32,"endTime":2987.36,"body":"for your mouth 30 51 yeah dude you should be so much quicker than that so when we swim out"},{"startTime":2987.36,"endTime":2993.199,"body":"here in the ocean you literally twice as fast as all i am are you like swimming circles around"},{"startTime":2993.199,"endTime":3001.92,"body":"that's right i got i slept through in 32 and some change you should be i'm guessing at least three"},{"startTime":3001.92,"endTime":3007.28,"body":"minutes quicker three minutes okay is that my target the next thing it's 28 minutes otherwise"},{"startTime":3007.28,"endTime":3019.76,"body":"then come back okay so i'm interested to know i mean in your tenures ish i'll give you the ish"},{"startTime":3019.76,"endTime":3032.48,"body":"older than me um but on a serious note i really do think that you can go a lot faster than that"},{"startTime":3033.28,"endTime":3041.679,"body":"and my my my question i guess is you spoke about earlier your first 10 baths you sort of start"},{"startTime":3041.679,"endTime":3047.44,"body":"coming apart a little bit at 70 50 ish is that is that what you felt happening in this"},{"startTime":3047.44,"endTime":3055.28,"body":"mile would you sort of and regress during the swim and slow down what was your stroke like"},{"startTime":3055.28,"endTime":3061.28,"body":"um great there was a point a bit of a hiccup i think went about 900 miles it was just coming in"},{"startTime":3061.28,"endTime":3069.36,"body":"where i swallowed some water yep and i yep i've just lost focus because i'm thinking about what"},{"startTime":3069.36,"endTime":3075.36,"body":"we're going to do as i turn that one came out and you've got that 600 to go yeah so i'm running"},{"startTime":3075.36,"endTime":3082.559,"body":"through my head how am i going to do that how's it going to feel and i swallowed a water yeah"},{"startTime":3082.559,"endTime":3087.519,"body":"so i have to cough that up and uh usually how does that put you rhythm but yeah it did in the"},{"startTime":3087.519,"endTime":3092.0,"body":"r i b you have to shout at them i just want to water honestly i'm fine you know so they don't"},{"startTime":3092.0,"endTime":3102.159,"body":"give me out yeah yeah um i think i'm um because i'm more used to it i know what's going to happen"},{"startTime":3102.88,"endTime":3109.36,"body":"so i'm prepared for it and it becomes a lot easier i mean the cave that i did at Mulvano"},{"startTime":3109.36,"endTime":3114.96,"body":"was so much easier compared to doing it some bathins because i knew what was going to happen"},{"startTime":3115.44,"endTime":3126.48,"body":"yes um and i can swim through it you know what panic about it um so i knew what i would be like"},{"startTime":3126.48,"endTime":3131.84,"body":"doing the cave and it was just that that extra 600 meters which doesn't sound very far but"},{"startTime":3132.639,"endTime":3142.559,"body":"that's far yes um it is far yeah i must admit the picking up one of the things you said"},{"startTime":3142.96,"endTime":3148.0,"body":"that's what was going through my mind when i was doing my swim was i have to show that i"},{"startTime":3148.0,"endTime":3153.199,"body":"i b that i'm actually okay so i better keep swimming properly or they're going to pull me out"},{"startTime":3154.0,"endTime":3159.36,"body":"i really don't want them to do that so let's just make sure that oh yes i am actually doing a"},{"startTime":3159.36,"endTime":3163.519,"body":"little bit of kicking you know even if it's not one nature just a little splash every now and again"},{"startTime":3163.519,"endTime":3169.599,"body":"yeah it'll splash yeah yeah yeah do you feel like you lose strength while you're swimming so"},{"startTime":3169.599,"endTime":3177.599,"body":"like for example they're pool under the water are you are you pulling yes yes and i think it's"},{"startTime":3177.599,"endTime":3182.88,"body":"because you've lost the feeling so you can't actually usually you're getting feedback all the time"},{"startTime":3182.88,"endTime":3187.84,"body":"as your arms going through the water and you can feel it in your hand and in your arm as you're"},{"startTime":3187.84,"endTime":3193.36,"body":"you know pushing back against the water they when you've got no feeling there that it's a bit"},{"startTime":3193.519,"endTime":3199.84,"body":"tricky and we have to rely completely on muscle memory to do the same stroke if you look at"},{"startTime":3200.559,"endTime":3206.8,"body":"like the splits between doing like the 1k and then the extra 600 six nearly so much"},{"startTime":3206.8,"endTime":3213.679,"body":"oh yeah yes the first 100% so on the boats we're sitting and we're taking strike rates"},{"startTime":3213.679,"endTime":3219.039,"body":"yeah for example and obviously monitoring your position in the water and all of those things"},{"startTime":3219.92,"endTime":3226.559,"body":"do you recall have you got feedback from the team as to what your stroke rate was for example in"},{"startTime":3226.559,"endTime":3235.76,"body":"the first 500 versus the last 500 yeah it was there's a lot better this time I started out at 64"},{"startTime":3235.76,"endTime":3242.8,"body":"and finished at a 62 okay so you actually maintained pretty well yeah that was my my plan"},{"startTime":3242.8,"endTime":3252.4,"body":"coming in maintained that rhythm just keep maintaining the rhythm and um that will get me through"},{"startTime":3252.4,"endTime":3256.559,"body":"so the reason why I probably wasn't swimming as fast as you would like Duncan yeah it's because I was"},{"startTime":3256.559,"endTime":3265.679,"body":"as disappointed you can have to come back again is um I was just focused on that turn over rate and"},{"startTime":3265.679,"endTime":3271.119,"body":"keeping yeah like a steady pace the whole way through yeah yeah because I knew how much of a drop-off"},{"startTime":3271.119,"endTime":3278.159,"body":"there would be yeah do you do us balls and stuff okay I do have a nice bath I hate it um"},{"startTime":3279.92,"endTime":3287.199,"body":"the the idea of sitting in cold water doing nothing is just painful stupid it is"},{"startTime":3287.199,"endTime":3292.96,"body":"you sit in a jar no I don't you take pictures of him sitting in it there is a picture"},{"startTime":3294.159,"endTime":3299.28,"body":"so you got one at home Duncan have you ever been in it I have never been in it it's not once"},{"startTime":3299.36,"endTime":3308.8,"body":"you got to do it once yeah so we've got that we so Nick wanted one for Jim so we we both"},{"startTime":3308.8,"endTime":3316.159,"body":"with Jim's help an us big 360-liter one where you can fully sit down submerge he's got it sitting"},{"startTime":3316.159,"endTime":3322.96,"body":"in about four degrees and I walk past it every day and I give it a little tap and I check the"},{"startTime":3322.96,"endTime":3330.719,"body":"temperature and I keep it kept I have zero zero intention of getting in there because to your"},{"startTime":3330.719,"endTime":3337.199,"body":"point it just seems stupid to me why do I need to torture myself the whole year when I can just"},{"startTime":3337.199,"endTime":3346.719,"body":"suffer from my mind once a year you know yeah I was using it going in yeah to the event and that"},{"startTime":3347.519,"endTime":3354.0,"body":"and especially going to Mulvano because it was summer here you know everything was really hot and"},{"startTime":3354.0,"endTime":3361.36,"body":"so yeah needed that little taste look I think it would help mentally just from our preparation"},{"startTime":3361.36,"endTime":3366.239,"body":"perspective getting into the cold water and breathe it yeah yeah but obviously you don't have"},{"startTime":3366.48,"endTime":3372.4,"body":"your head in you're not swimming you know so it's very different yeah that's Joe's job"},{"startTime":3375.44,"endTime":3385.679,"body":"okay now this I was cool there's been a wonderful chat thank you thank you so much for"},{"startTime":3385.679,"endTime":3390.96,"body":"your guys' time it's been been a great story I'm sure a lot of people will be interested I'm"},{"startTime":3390.96,"endTime":3397.039,"body":"not sure that you've managed to convince a lot of other people join us on the ice swimming it's"},{"startTime":3397.039,"endTime":3406.079,"body":"awesome honestly so we'll rendezvous in in a year's time we'll have an update on your 50 meter"},{"startTime":3406.079,"endTime":3414.88,"body":"freestyle okay all right or 250 yeah yeah no I'm very clear I'm not going higher than 50 you"},{"startTime":3414.96,"endTime":3420.48,"body":"nothing good it's worth me that 50 is good yeah it's cool hey it's more than 7.95"},{"startTime":3420.48,"endTime":3426.8,"body":"billion people on the planet do sorry think of it like that yeah yeah and I want an update on"},{"startTime":3426.8,"endTime":3432.719,"body":"a sub 30 mile please next time we chat I will be training there we go thank you for your time"},{"startTime":3432.719,"endTime":3438.079,"body":"guys it's been awesome chatting thank you thank you thanks so much hi my name is Caitlyn I"},{"startTime":3438.079,"endTime":3444.079,"body":"Riley I'm the youngest person who have completed the Ocean 7 Challenge of this really cool podcast"},{"startTime":3444.079,"endTime":3449.36,"body":"has helped you learn something new maybe it's introduced you to new swimmers made you smile"},{"startTime":3450.32,"endTime":3455.119,"body":"then please take the opportunity to subscribe to Duncan and Jim's channel I'm sure they would"},{"startTime":3455.119,"endTime":3460.8,"body":"absolutely appreciate all your support cheers thanks 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