{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"startTime":0.0,"endTime":17.0,"body":"Welcome to another Clever Dicks podcast. In this podcast we are talking to Brian Gray again."},{"startTime":17.0,"endTime":24.64,"body":"This is the second time we spoke into Brian. In this episode we talk about his epic 148"},{"startTime":24.64,"endTime":30.399,"body":"meter swim down the Waikato River. We talk about some of the planning and what he"},{"startTime":30.399,"endTime":34.6,"body":"needed to do to get up for it and how he felt leading up to it and during the"},{"startTime":34.6,"endTime":39.399,"body":"swim and also some of the adventures on the swim. Then we start talking about"},{"startTime":39.399,"endTime":43.359,"body":"potentially what he's going to be doing next or though he's not really trying"},{"startTime":43.359,"endTime":47.679,"body":"to commit to anything. I think we've got some some more adventures to actually"},{"startTime":47.679,"endTime":53.079,"body":"hear from from Brian. I think you're going to enjoy this one. Cheers. Bye. So welcome to"},{"startTime":53.079,"endTime":58.679,"body":"another Clever Dicks podcast. In this podcast we are going to talk to Brian Gray again."},{"startTime":58.679,"endTime":63.479,"body":"This is the first time we've got a guest come back. So clearly we did something"},{"startTime":63.479,"endTime":70.719,"body":"not too bad the first time, Brian. Oh, it times I had to re-circuit."},{"startTime":70.719,"endTime":75.4,"body":"So I think maybe not everyone might have listened to the first one. So you just"},{"startTime":75.4,"endTime":80.04,"body":"want to give us a bit of your a bit of your story just to refresh all of our"},{"startTime":80.04,"endTime":83.92,"body":"memory and then we can go into some of the amazing things you've done recently."},{"startTime":83.92,"endTime":89.12,"body":"Well I was thinking about this today. It's a bit of a short story. I got into"},{"startTime":89.12,"endTime":96.12,"body":"swimming in a squad when I came back from London. I think I was 25. I don't"},{"startTime":96.12,"endTime":102.0,"body":"make me say how many years ago that was. And then I just got into long swimming in"},{"startTime":102.0,"endTime":108.68,"body":"2020. Yeah. So not really that long ago and had my first cracker long swim at"},{"startTime":108.68,"endTime":117.799,"body":"Tupper in 21 and got a DNF and managed to do again the next year which was quite"},{"startTime":117.799,"endTime":124.519,"body":"hard to swim for me. I found it quite tough. And so I decided to get really"},{"startTime":124.519,"endTime":129.159,"body":"interested by the whole designing a swim. Something that suits you and your"},{"startTime":129.159,"endTime":134.28,"body":"swimsuit. And of course as you run those Tupper was tough because it's just a big"},{"startTime":134.28,"endTime":139.68,"body":"long drag and it's mind games. You're stuck in the middle not seeing much"},{"startTime":139.68,"endTime":144.759,"body":"improvement. So next year I decided to swim around Waikiki so you get"},{"startTime":144.759,"endTime":155.0,"body":"movement. Yeah. So that was that was 22 I think. And then I had an enforced two"},{"startTime":155.0,"endTime":165.719,"body":"years off. And so I've just done my big one. Just done your big one. Just for"},{"startTime":165.719,"endTime":171.28,"body":"reference two things. One is the Waikiki Swam was a 55 km swim. Yep. And it was also"},{"startTime":171.28,"endTime":176.599,"body":"the first time anybody has ever swam around that on it. Yeah. And secondly your"},{"startTime":176.599,"endTime":180.52,"body":"waft obviously weighs the pants that you had to have an enforced two years off."},{"startTime":180.52,"endTime":184.84,"body":"Yes. Yeah. She's actually going three years for the next one. Okay. I just want to do it."},{"startTime":185.8,"endTime":192.919,"body":"We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. I'm saying two. She's saying three."},{"startTime":195.4,"endTime":200.12,"body":"Two and a half. Yeah. So you don't have anything in the bank"},{"startTime":200.12,"endTime":202.84,"body":"from all those years when you weren't swimming. You can't claim any of those."},{"startTime":202.84,"endTime":207.4,"body":"Unfortunately not. No. I'm going to get a decent lawyer too."},{"startTime":207.4,"endTime":213.08,"body":"I've lost that contact. I really don't know because I think a lawyer wrote it up."},{"startTime":213.08,"endTime":219.8,"body":"And he says he is a lawyer. So what kind of hard place? Okay. So you've done your"},{"startTime":219.8,"endTime":226.199,"body":"Waikiki Swam and you were thinking what next? So I'm guessing you kind of thought I'd"},{"startTime":226.199,"endTime":233.24,"body":"like to do something that hasn't been done before. Yeah. The motivation for the next one."},{"startTime":233.24,"endTime":241.479,"body":"I was going to do the wangane river. Yeah. My dad died a bit before I started doing long swims."},{"startTime":242.28,"endTime":250.28,"body":"And he was such a cool guy and I really miss him. And I have this new passion of long-distance swimming."},{"startTime":251.0,"endTime":258.199,"body":"And his was history and he really loved the wangane river. And so I wanted to combine his passion"},{"startTime":258.279,"endTime":263.639,"body":"with my passion just to feel a bit closer. He sounds a bit corny but that wasn't it."},{"startTime":263.639,"endTime":272.12,"body":"That's very cool. So Ivan and I went and did a bit of a rickety and ended up being quite."},{"startTime":272.12,"endTime":278.279,"body":"It was cold and I thought I'm not very good with cold. And also he freaked out a bit on the first"},{"startTime":278.279,"endTime":284.68,"body":"rapid. It's like 30 metres of getting in. And no cell phone reception and actually it's not that"},{"startTime":284.68,"endTime":290.279,"body":"easy to get down to the river. So I did the all endurance thinking yeah well I can't do this"},{"startTime":290.279,"endTime":301.56,"body":"ADK so what else and I'll do 150 instead. Okay let's not do 80 list 250. Okay yeah I'm not sure"},{"startTime":301.56,"endTime":308.04,"body":"how that sort of speaks to the long swimming sort of mental approach to life. No that speaks to"},{"startTime":308.04,"endTime":313.959,"body":"my logic. Speak to your logic. Okay so how did you manage to do 150 then if 80 was a long way?"},{"startTime":315.24,"endTime":324.92,"body":"Well I saw this Mark Twain quote by Coincidence this morning which said that"},{"startTime":327.24,"endTime":333.48,"body":"ignorance and confidence were pretty much guarantees you success and I think that sums up."},{"startTime":334.12,"endTime":347.56,"body":"So I did I decided as soon as that one going to be trip. We could see that it wasn't going to be"},{"startTime":347.56,"endTime":355.56,"body":"a goa. And so straight away I went and checked out what else I could do and did quite a few rickies"},{"startTime":355.56,"endTime":366.759,"body":"over and over and checked out various spots on the river. So when at the Port Waikato for the record"},{"startTime":367.319,"endTime":378.439,"body":"what I did was swim from the dammit carapero down to Port Waikato. So we checked out down at Port Waikato"},{"startTime":378.519,"endTime":386.519,"body":"and various places going up. Yep. There was quite good current. It seemed down below it was"},{"startTime":386.519,"endTime":403.24,"body":"three KNR. Yep. And just it seemed warm enough and yeah so I got an excel sheet and worked out"},{"startTime":403.319,"endTime":410.439,"body":"how fast I swam based on my tapo time and then plotting the currents all the way down. It was"},{"startTime":410.439,"endTime":415.399,"body":"actually quite a complicated swim to work out because you need to make sure you hit the bottom"},{"startTime":415.399,"endTime":421.8,"body":"at the right time because it's tidal for 20k or so. Yeah. Yeah. If you hit it the wrong time then"},{"startTime":421.8,"endTime":429.319,"body":"you're going up instead of down and right down the bottom seems to be like 4kNR current. So you"},{"startTime":429.319,"endTime":438.36,"body":"can swim against it. Wow 4kNR going upstream. I don't know actually I'm going down"},{"startTime":438.36,"endTime":448.36,"body":"stream that was 4kNR right at the bottom. Got you. So complicated to try and work out and you know"},{"startTime":448.36,"endTime":455.56,"body":"if you're 5% wrong then that adds up. There are an hour over. So we cocked it up in the first hour"},{"startTime":455.56,"endTime":465.8,"body":"of your swim right? What happened? Because there were some issues. There was a bit of an issue."},{"startTime":465.8,"endTime":471.8,"body":"I was supposed to start 8 and start at 9. So there I go. That's your hour. How can you tell me you"},{"startTime":471.8,"endTime":481.8,"body":"didn't cock it up? Well there was more. Okay. More than that. So I checked it out. I'll take a"},{"startTime":481.8,"endTime":486.92,"body":"step back. I had some really awesome people helping me. So of course there's Ivan because no one"},{"startTime":486.92,"endTime":492.439,"body":"does any big swims without Ivan. It seems. Yes. And my brother and all Brent who's been on all my"},{"startTime":492.439,"endTime":499.639,"body":"successful swims and I've got childhood mates, Mel and Tim who they belong the big boat. Yeah."},{"startTime":500.199,"endTime":508.199,"body":"And the other two guys got from a Facebook post in the local Cambridge Facebook. Yeah."},{"startTime":509.16,"endTime":515.32,"body":"So a friend posted there asking if someone would help a swimmer. Someone with a small boat"},{"startTime":515.32,"endTime":522.2,"body":"would help a swimmer. And so this guy Rob or his wife said, yep, my husband helped. Cool."},{"startTime":522.2,"endTime":529.159,"body":"And met up with him and we went and did a swim from the dam down and checked it out."},{"startTime":529.159,"endTime":532.039,"body":"And all right, this is how long it takes to get up there and all that sort of thing."},{"startTime":532.759,"endTime":538.6,"body":"Oh, also Rob's brother Mike helped as well. Okay. Can't miss anyone out."},{"startTime":538.6,"endTime":548.919,"body":"Yeah. So we we jumped in the boat in Cambridge and it took us like 20 minutes to get up to the dam"},{"startTime":549.48,"endTime":556.12,"body":"or something and had a great swim and you know, booked out the speeds. But then on the day,"},{"startTime":556.84,"endTime":561.72,"body":"we had the same thing. We had an extra person. We had Ivan and so it took us"},{"startTime":562.12,"endTime":568.279,"body":"instead of 20 minutes to get up. It took an hour to get up. This little boat didn't handle the extra"},{"startTime":568.279,"endTime":579.72,"body":"way. I had to get out and run partway. So we started off an hour late and it's just such a beautiful"},{"startTime":579.72,"endTime":585.08,"body":"experience that day. You know, yeah, there's this little beach. We we decided the beach because"},{"startTime":585.08,"endTime":590.759,"body":"on that day when we went to check it out, we motor it up to close to the bottom of the dam"},{"startTime":590.759,"endTime":595.24,"body":"and there was this really big angry man in a 40 vest swearing his head off at us. Sorry."},{"startTime":595.24,"endTime":599.559,"body":"So we popped just around the corner and that's how we decided we were going to start the swim."},{"startTime":599.559,"endTime":603.159,"body":"Okay. That was just a safety thing he was concerned about, was it?"},{"startTime":603.159,"endTime":607.48,"body":"Yeah, they had the gates open. That was a really fun swim. I I'd recommend that."},{"startTime":609.24,"endTime":615.879,"body":"But you know, magic, magic start was a beautiful day when we when we started the swim and"},{"startTime":616.44,"endTime":625.399,"body":"quite surreal. It was a beautiful blue sky and getting standing on the beach knowing that"},{"startTime":625.399,"endTime":634.12,"body":"something magic's about to happen. The whole experience was just beautiful. A big adventure"},{"startTime":634.759,"endTime":641.72,"body":"because we didn't know what was going to happen. Yeah. And it was just so exciting. From the"},{"startTime":641.72,"endTime":648.2,"body":"mung we turned up because we stayed at this guy's Rob's house. We rocked up on Friday afternoon"},{"startTime":649.159,"endTime":656.44,"body":"and it was palpable that the electricity in the air and it was just incredible feeling. The whole"},{"startTime":657.96,"endTime":663.32,"body":"all tingling just thinking about it now. Yeah, but it was when you something was going down."},{"startTime":664.279,"endTime":672.679,"body":"And so on that morning, when you're actually doing it, you know that you're boating up the river."},{"startTime":673.32,"endTime":678.279,"body":"The river is beautiful and flat. You wouldn't recognize it. Up past Cambridge."},{"startTime":678.279,"endTime":684.759,"body":"Okay. It's like these big it's quite deep down the big cliffs on the side."},{"startTime":685.639,"endTime":689.799,"body":"Furns growing everywhere. It flows really fast because all the rivers"},{"startTime":690.6,"endTime":698.2,"body":"squash down in a smaller area. Yeah. And it was very surreal. We were there greasing up and then these"},{"startTime":698.84,"endTime":704.44,"body":"guys came out of the bush with boats and arrows. Oh wow. We're just standing on this remote beach."},{"startTime":704.44,"endTime":709.24,"body":"You can't get there by a road or anything. What are you doing? I was just going for a swim."},{"startTime":709.24,"endTime":718.36,"body":"Oh, where are you going? Yeah, so we started off late."},{"startTime":719.879,"endTime":724.039,"body":"But, you know, pretty relaxed. I don't get fazed by too much."},{"startTime":725.96,"endTime":728.679,"body":"And I don't really remember too much."},{"startTime":732.44,"endTime":738.2,"body":"That was it for podcasts. Right. I think there's lots more of the story because I can fill in bits"},{"startTime":739.399,"endTime":746.279,"body":"from other bits. Yeah, so we'd organized it. There was a big boat, which is"},{"startTime":746.279,"endTime":755.399,"body":"six and a half meters and then we had robs, little boats. And the idea was that we'd have two shifts."},{"startTime":755.399,"endTime":763.24,"body":"So a driver and a feeder. A feeder slash it's over. They'd do four hours each and then swap over."},{"startTime":764.279,"endTime":770.039,"body":"So we started off with one team going up, coming down and then we met the boat."},{"startTime":770.519,"endTime":780.519,"body":"Yeah. As we were going down, it was just so beautiful and relaxed and sunny. And I forget"},{"startTime":780.519,"endTime":788.12,"body":"took about four hours to get into Hamilton. And I was lovely to sing all the houses and all the"},{"startTime":788.12,"endTime":793.48,"body":"people in the sun, relaxing and enjoying themselves. And then yeah, some people coming out and cheering"},{"startTime":793.559,"endTime":799.72,"body":"by I think too many people knew what was what was going on. We had a little bit of media. Yep."},{"startTime":799.72,"endTime":805.72,"body":"And then we had a time. So there were some people and it just started off really well."},{"startTime":807.24,"endTime":809.08,"body":"There's a bit of foreboding."},{"startTime":812.12,"endTime":815.96,"body":"All the way down to Hamilton and everything is going fine. Everyone's happy."},{"startTime":815.96,"endTime":819.48,"body":"Water temperature was good. Yeah, it was about 20 degrees I think."},{"startTime":819.48,"endTime":831.559,"body":"And until we got to Nara Wahio and it started getting dark. And there's not actually"},{"startTime":831.559,"endTime":837.399,"body":"there much water on the river. Yes, not quite as much. It's not because it's just widened"},{"startTime":837.399,"endTime":846.679,"body":"as art a lot. Yes, it does. And you know, they were an amazing team and just I didn't know"},{"startTime":846.679,"endTime":851.96,"body":"there were any problems whatsoever. But all of a sudden everyone was in this little"},{"startTime":852.759,"endTime":858.039,"body":"three and a half meter boat. Both teams? Yeah, okay. There's a bit of two people at the"},{"startTime":858.039,"endTime":863.48,"body":"best of time. But all of a sudden there was four people in there. It ends up that the big boat"},{"startTime":863.48,"endTime":871.08,"body":"been running along flat tap and then the sand been. And then it had several times and the"},{"startTime":872.039,"endTime":877.48,"body":"the inlet for the water on the engine got clogged up with sand and stones and things like that."},{"startTime":877.48,"endTime":882.2,"body":"I don't know how they managed to get four people in that little boat. We're working the boat"},{"startTime":882.2,"endTime":889.32,"body":"still there now. They ran a ground and just said, oh, I guess we're camping here tonight."},{"startTime":890.279,"endTime":896.6,"body":"So they spent the night there. They had to wait for someone to come and go and pick up the"},{"startTime":897.0,"endTime":904.6,"body":"trailer. Okay. And then they somehow managed to get the boat off ground because it's quite"},{"startTime":904.6,"endTime":912.039,"body":"heavy because it's not like that. And so they had to go by road down to the bottom. So were you left"},{"startTime":912.039,"endTime":919.799,"body":"alone for any period of time? I don't notice. I mean, I'm massive. I've got a bit of a history of"},{"startTime":920.759,"endTime":929.799,"body":"so many. Yes. So just on that run, I'm kind of interested if you sort of look back in hindsight."},{"startTime":929.799,"endTime":936.6,"body":"Is there anything sort of planning wise that could have helped the big boat get down there? Was it"},{"startTime":936.6,"endTime":942.84,"body":"just because it was dark and just because it was dark that they couldn't sort of pick a channel?"},{"startTime":942.84,"endTime":947.159,"body":"I'm guessing there was probably enough channels if you knew where to go that you could take the boat"},{"startTime":948.12,"endTime":953.48,"body":"down. No. No. No. It was just shallow across the whole whole of the river. There's definitely"},{"startTime":953.48,"endTime":961.639,"body":"channels. But even the little boat had to be dragged. So you could go down a channel and then at the end"},{"startTime":961.639,"endTime":969.08,"body":"you'd be stuck. And that's what happened at night. So from Nadoa here, it started to get dark."},{"startTime":969.879,"endTime":975.559,"body":"And we had four people in the boat. So it was heavier and deeper, yeah?"},{"startTime":975.559,"endTime":979.48,"body":"Yes. It was a great little boat, flat bottom, fortunately."},{"startTime":979.48,"endTime":983.96,"body":"Little, like a little IRB, little federal? And like an aluminium IRB."},{"startTime":983.96,"endTime":992.279,"body":"It didn't have the, like, so the whole thing was, it was aluminium. It's quite light. It's 100 kg."},{"startTime":992.279,"endTime":999.72,"body":"Okay. So potentially you didn't need a big boat? Well, obviously you didn't need to go to the end"},{"startTime":999.72,"endTime":1004.759,"body":"without a truck. If you didn't have a big boat, then you'd need people going by car and being"},{"startTime":1004.759,"endTime":1010.039,"body":"dropped off to be picked up by the little boat. Okay. I've gone through all the different"},{"startTime":1010.039,"endTime":1015.24,"body":"combinations and permutations. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Doing things. And I always go with whatever is"},{"startTime":1015.24,"endTime":1020.36,"body":"the most simple. So if you just start, you run together and then you just... I actually agree with"},{"startTime":1020.36,"endTime":1025.72,"body":"the earth, I think, keeping the team together as much as possible would make logical sense to me"},{"startTime":1025.799,"endTime":1032.279,"body":"anyway. Yes. And now we've finished. We know that you can't do it."},{"startTime":1034.68,"endTime":1040.839,"body":"So just to kind of support you on that one. So we did a, we, we esported in the help,"},{"startTime":1042.039,"endTime":1049.88,"body":"Ivan on the tapo swim. And I launched from the other end of the lake, as you know, with his wife."},{"startTime":1049.96,"endTime":1057.559,"body":"And I'll tell you what, finding the swimming group in the middle of lake tapo was an interesting"},{"startTime":1057.559,"endTime":1063.96,"body":"exercise. And there was times when I was thinking, hmm, I wonder what I'm kind of doing here,"},{"startTime":1063.96,"endTime":1068.839,"body":"you know, because even with, you know, I could see the tracker information. And I had, you know,"},{"startTime":1068.839,"endTime":1075.72,"body":"a Google map, but it wasn't that easy to put it together. And a small boat on a big lake is"},{"startTime":1076.44,"endTime":1083.64,"body":"surprisingly hard to pick up. So I think that your point of keeping everything together is"},{"startTime":1084.519,"endTime":1090.759,"body":"appropriate. If you can do it. Yes. And having been there, I know you've lived out a lot of"},{"startTime":1090.759,"endTime":1096.92,"body":"other fun details too. That was a good weekend. That was a very good weekend, yes."},{"startTime":1097.88,"endTime":1103.88,"body":"Okay, so sorry to interrupt you. Yeah, go. I was going to say so, so that was night time."},{"startTime":1103.88,"endTime":1110.359,"body":"And the whole night was just a bit of a blue really. It got"},{"startTime":1111.799,"endTime":1116.839,"body":"less than less water and you're swimming down channels and then you're crossing over to another one."},{"startTime":1116.839,"endTime":1121.72,"body":"So when you say crossing over, so you swim until you kind of almost ran it, ran aground,"},{"startTime":1121.72,"endTime":1125.559,"body":"and then you'd have to just walk over the channel and two funds into water."},{"startTime":1125.64,"endTime":1133.48,"body":"Drag down until it into the next channel. It was not, you know, not a wrong way. I could stay in"},{"startTime":1133.48,"endTime":1139.4,"body":"the water, but it was shallow. My hands were on the bottom. Okay, so you didn't have to stand."},{"startTime":1139.96,"endTime":1145.0,"body":"No, no, no. Okay, so you managed to just keep swimming with the boat to be helped."},{"startTime":1145.0,"endTime":1151.64,"body":"For four guys in a boat, they had to drag it down those little bits. And then I don't know"},{"startTime":1151.72,"endTime":1158.119,"body":"what happened, but at one stage, we'd gone through one of those channels. I didn't know we were,"},{"startTime":1158.119,"endTime":1162.759,"body":"I think it was five o'clock in the morning. It got quite foggy."},{"startTime":1163.48,"endTime":1170.68,"body":"Oh, okay. And I totally got lost and ended up swimming upstream for an hour."},{"startTime":1172.039,"endTime":1175.72,"body":"And I don't know how I even, I thought I was following direction."},{"startTime":1175.72,"endTime":1181.4,"body":"Yeah, I thought we'd gotten down to where there's quite a few islands as you get."},{"startTime":1181.4,"endTime":1185.88,"body":"Yeah, further on down. And I thought I was going along the other side of an island."},{"startTime":1185.88,"endTime":1189.48,"body":"I didn't actually realise it was just a river with two banks. Yeah, yeah."},{"startTime":1190.2,"endTime":1197.72,"body":"And so they they lost me for quite a while. And I thought that was it. I got a bit sad at that stage."},{"startTime":1198.359,"endTime":1205.4,"body":"You thought there was the end of your swim? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And so I turned around."},{"startTime":1205.4,"endTime":1210.68,"body":"So they found you and told you you were going the wrong way?"},{"startTime":1211.96,"endTime":1217.48,"body":"No, well, I mean, I just knew it was really hard swimming. And so I thought all right,"},{"startTime":1217.48,"endTime":1220.759,"body":"that's it. I just told me to go this way. Yeah."},{"startTime":1222.2,"endTime":1226.2,"body":"I had actually turned back and then turned around again. Yes."},{"startTime":1226.2,"endTime":1231.079,"body":"Looking for them. And I thought, well, I can't carry on going against the current."},{"startTime":1231.799,"endTime":1237.88,"body":"And it seems pretty obvious now, but I've been swimming for quite a while and I don't think the best"},{"startTime":1237.88,"endTime":1243.48,"body":"at the best the time. But you're also fatigued. No, I mean, you've been going for almost what,"},{"startTime":1243.48,"endTime":1250.839,"body":"20 hours by that stage. Yeah. So just thinking out loud about that one, do you think that there's"},{"startTime":1250.839,"endTime":1257.319,"body":"any value in, so we've got these, Mike provides these little trackers, which are great in their"},{"startTime":1257.4,"endTime":1263.72,"body":"battery part, you know, sort of satellite GPS kind of things. Do you think that on some of these"},{"startTime":1263.72,"endTime":1271.319,"body":"more adventurous swims, it would be more sensible to, especially at night, to have the swimmer"},{"startTime":1271.319,"endTime":1276.039,"body":"actually swim with a tracker, even if it's put it into a little toe float or something like that."},{"startTime":1276.039,"endTime":1280.759,"body":"Do you think there's any value in that? Maybe at night. Maybe I just shouldn't be so stupid."},{"startTime":1281.64,"endTime":1287.0,"body":"Yeah, but I think you have to, I don't think that it's that at all. You know, you've got a very"},{"startTime":1287.0,"endTime":1293.16,"body":"fatigued swimmer. You've got you're in a different environment that there's so many extra things"},{"startTime":1293.16,"endTime":1298.839,"body":"and you're trying to just swim, right? So I think, you know, just pure safety wise, whether"},{"startTime":1298.839,"endTime":1303.559,"body":"whether that would be something worth thinking about. I guess if the circumstance"},{"startTime":1305.24,"endTime":1311.96,"body":"made it necessary, it was, as I say, it was foggy and it was nighttime. You think it would be hard"},{"startTime":1312.92,"endTime":1319.64,"body":"to get lost. And current means you could probably get, get along faster as well, which is another"},{"startTime":1319.64,"endTime":1323.799,"body":"complication. So you're saying like, get up in the market instead of find my offer and it's"},{"startTime":1323.799,"endTime":1330.279,"body":"find my swimmer. I was thinking, one of the other things, you know, when you're just purely"},{"startTime":1330.279,"endTime":1334.2,"body":"thinking safety, you might have a tracker, which would help your crew come and find you, but,"},{"startTime":1334.2,"endTime":1339.799,"body":"you know, suppose you were swimming up a branch of a, of the river and, you know, you, you got"},{"startTime":1339.799,"endTime":1343.48,"body":"up a tributary or something like that and you got really tired. So how do you call for help?"},{"startTime":1344.119,"endTime":1349.4,"body":"You know, so having a little sort of PLB or something, with this one at nighttime when things"},{"startTime":1349.4,"endTime":1354.2,"body":"are there, I just think it's- What the hell is the PLB? It's, you know, like, one of those things"},{"startTime":1354.2,"endTime":1358.359,"body":"they put in the key reason they're there, those aerial things that they try to find out. Got you."},{"startTime":1359.0,"endTime":1364.68,"body":"It's, it's a personal locator beacon. Okay. And where are you going to shove that inside mind?"},{"startTime":1364.68,"endTime":1369.16,"body":"That thing's a big dude. Put that in a toe flight. There's a lot of weird toe flight there."},{"startTime":1370.599,"endTime":1376.599,"body":"Says who? Says- This is a unique swimming, a swimming swim."},{"startTime":1377.559,"endTime":1380.839,"body":"Are you all greased up already anywhere? Or are you going to make a plan with that?"},{"startTime":1383.16,"endTime":1385.48,"body":"Slap on. Okay, you can get your own one."},{"startTime":1388.839,"endTime":1393.4,"body":"What were you, what were you feeding through the night? Did you stop and have like a palm meal?"},{"startTime":1393.4,"endTime":1401.96,"body":"Well, I started on Krumra. I'm not into the- I don't like all the ultra-process crap."},{"startTime":1401.96,"endTime":1408.119,"body":"It's not very good for you. Jim knows I got a rant on it. I'm not going to go on, but I want to"},{"startTime":1408.119,"endTime":1416.599,"body":"be more into whole foods. But that didn't work because ends up, I don't have the the throughput"},{"startTime":1416.68,"endTime":1423.559,"body":"on the stomach. That came up after 10 hours. And so I worked really well with gels."},{"startTime":1424.2,"endTime":1430.519,"body":"They seem to do the right thing for me. So I was on gels and then I got drinks at night."},{"startTime":1432.039,"endTime":1439.799,"body":"Yeah, I think you need. So you need some tea? Super tea or? No, it was one of those energy drinks."},{"startTime":1439.799,"endTime":1446.039,"body":"I got that. But just warmed up. Yeah, warmed up. Yeah, I think it's- I don't handle cold very well."},{"startTime":1446.92,"endTime":1453.319,"body":"So that's super important for me. I've never actually had a warm drink when I'm swimming,"},{"startTime":1453.319,"endTime":1458.759,"body":"but I could imagine it would feel very pleasant. Yes, it was the right temperature, yeah."},{"startTime":1458.759,"endTime":1466.119,"body":"And it feels hotter and hotter the colder you get. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm really keen and"},{"startTime":1466.119,"endTime":1471.559,"body":"something that I've been playing around with a lot before that is going on the fat burning."},{"startTime":1472.359,"endTime":1479.72,"body":"So you can train yourself to be more of a fat burner. So I'm pretty keen on that. I'm pretty"},{"startTime":1479.72,"endTime":1488.039,"body":"keen to try that on the next 24 hours. What would you need to do? You change your diet and get a bit"},{"startTime":1488.039,"endTime":1498.039,"body":"more keto leading up to it. So is it like six weeks or a month? 12 weeks is probably the thing."},{"startTime":1498.039,"endTime":1504.119,"body":"Would you also do the sort of time restriction thing so that your body is more used to getting into"},{"startTime":1504.839,"endTime":1509.48,"body":"into sort of the ketosis or is it really just about the diet that you're thinking?"},{"startTime":1510.759,"endTime":1519.559,"body":"Well, it's two things. One is you change your diet and you change your swim intensity."},{"startTime":1520.44,"endTime":1523.64,"body":"Because these swim slow, you're burning a higher percentage of fat."},{"startTime":1524.44,"endTime":1528.359,"body":"Yeah. That's all bullshit on that. I swim slow all the time."},{"startTime":1533.72,"endTime":1541.079,"body":"Yes, this is a sky year before last and Aussie ran five marathons and five days"},{"startTime":1541.799,"endTime":1546.519,"body":"and didn't eat anything all week. Really? Just said salt and water and then"},{"startTime":1547.16,"endTime":1556.359,"body":"a magnesium tepola in the morning. So when you spoke to Neil Aegis, he's got a fairly good nutrition"},{"startTime":1556.359,"endTime":1562.519,"body":"plan now. But some of his training swimmers before that, he would do six hours no feeling to"},{"startTime":1563.319,"endTime":1570.279,"body":"get his body used to just, as you say, working on the fat stores and the climatise himself there."},{"startTime":1570.279,"endTime":1578.759,"body":"Yeah, I do a lot of that. So I don't have, I've been in a whole food for a couple of years"},{"startTime":1579.64,"endTime":1586.92,"body":"and I don't have any starter stuff. If I'm doing a swim in the weekend, I won't have any carbs"},{"startTime":1586.92,"endTime":1595.0,"body":"the night before and then have nothing pre-swim and nothing during this one. Quite a police one"},{"startTime":1595.24,"endTime":1601.24,"body":"for four hours without getting, you're not hungry when you get out either. So you don't get out and"},{"startTime":1601.24,"endTime":1610.279,"body":"get stuck into carbs and then start a cycle of, yeah. So, and I've got so much energy now. It"},{"startTime":1610.279,"endTime":1615.079,"body":"drives the Mrs. Nuts. I'm always up doing the dishes, cooking dinner, my lawns and"},{"startTime":1616.279,"endTime":1622.599,"body":"doing the house, we're going for walks. I just got so much energy. Do you do any other luck"},{"startTime":1622.599,"endTime":1631.24,"body":"supplements or anything to go with that or? I do most supplements. I don't think of that good"},{"startTime":1631.24,"endTime":1646.92,"body":"or necessary, but I do protein, animal protein, and I do creatine, I do creasing. But vitamins and"},{"startTime":1647.4,"endTime":1653.079,"body":"things like that are often, they can't be bad for you. They're too much iron and things and then"},{"startTime":1653.079,"endTime":1657.799,"body":"they're all synthetic. They're not actually here. If you take vitamin C, it's generally not"},{"startTime":1657.799,"endTime":1663.16,"body":"vitamin C. So you don't eat meat? No, no, I do. I eat meat and you have a protein supplement."},{"startTime":1663.88,"endTime":1674.44,"body":"Well, it kicks off, oh, I love this. So into the science and what every swim does for you, I totally"},{"startTime":1674.44,"endTime":1680.759,"body":"changed all my swimming, all my feeding, everything. I've just flipped on his head and changed,"},{"startTime":1680.759,"endTime":1689.48,"body":"and I just think, all my training, I think about what's this swim doing to my body. And every time"},{"startTime":1690.2,"endTime":1696.279,"body":"you swim, you know, why? Why swim? What are you doing for? I never, like, I hardly ever swim"},{"startTime":1696.92,"endTime":1704.039,"body":"fast. I'm just going about the adaptions. And my whole training for this swim is, I was"},{"startTime":1704.039,"endTime":1711.4,"body":"swimming about 12 times a week and doing about 25 hours training, but I was going for the lots"},{"startTime":1711.4,"endTime":1717.72,"body":"of little. Yes. Because you've got three triggers, you can do your intensity, your duration,"},{"startTime":1718.359,"endTime":1723.64,"body":"or your frequency. And those are the only things that you can background with. If you up your"},{"startTime":1723.64,"endTime":1730.599,"body":"intensity, then the other two suffer. If you're swimming three times a week for an hour, then that's"},{"startTime":1730.599,"endTime":1738.119,"body":"three hours out of 168. That's like a real small signal to your body that you're a swimmer."},{"startTime":1739.079,"endTime":1744.44,"body":"So what I, and when you stop swimming, your body's abrogulate, you get this thing called afterburn."},{"startTime":1745.0,"endTime":1753.319,"body":"So an hour swim is actually an hour and a half. Yes. So what I did is lots of little. Yes."},{"startTime":1754.119,"endTime":1758.279,"body":"So you get the effect of your swim and the afterburn."},{"startTime":1758.68,"endTime":1765.559,"body":"Yeah. So I just like some of our listeners to realise your definition of little swims because I was"},{"startTime":1765.559,"endTime":1772.839,"body":"following your driver on the lead up to this. And do you classify your 10k swims as just little swims?"},{"startTime":1774.2,"endTime":1779.4,"body":"I don't think I would say 10k to the big one. No, but it's not a little swim, right?"},{"startTime":1780.44,"endTime":1783.319,"body":"It's a regular swim. For you. Yes."},{"startTime":1784.119,"endTime":1788.279,"body":"Oh, if you're doing 150k, if you're training for 150k, you're up to see it."},{"startTime":1788.279,"endTime":1795.0,"body":"It's a regular swim. So your 12 swims a week, you said there was roughly 25 hours of swimming?"},{"startTime":1795.0,"endTime":1802.839,"body":"25 hours of exercise. Okay, not swimming. Okay. So Mondays, I do the squat, which is an hour and a half."},{"startTime":1803.4,"endTime":1809.559,"body":"And then I swim for an hour after. And then go back for lunchtime squat. And then go back for"},{"startTime":1809.559,"endTime":1814.039,"body":"that afternoon squat. Plus, these lots of biking because I don't. I bike you in."},{"startTime":1814.039,"endTime":1819.72,"body":"You ride to the squat. Yep. And then the next day be an easy day because you've got to recover."},{"startTime":1820.68,"endTime":1827.4,"body":"So I only do biking and then do jump and then time to swim with a small swim."},{"startTime":1828.44,"endTime":1832.2,"body":"And then Wednesday is the same as Monday, so three swims. Big day, yeah."},{"startTime":1832.2,"endTime":1837.64,"body":"Thursday is another easy day, but then you have Koi swim series."},{"startTime":1838.119,"endTime":1845.64,"body":"So a bit of intensity. Yep. And then Friday, that's two swims because there's no evening squat. And then"},{"startTime":1845.64,"endTime":1854.68,"body":"Saturday and Sunday, I just do like sort of around 12 to 16. But do really ocean on the weekends?"},{"startTime":1854.68,"endTime":1863.319,"body":"No, usually pool. Okay. The first you go, the bigger the mess is how I'll look at it for"},{"startTime":1863.319,"endTime":1868.44,"body":"wear swims. If you swim with an eye heart rate, whether it's training, or whether it's my big swim,"},{"startTime":1869.24,"endTime":1876.2,"body":"you can't go as far. So if you look at a sprinter that go flat out, a sprint runner,"},{"startTime":1876.92,"endTime":1881.72,"body":"100 meters, their heart rate's massive. Yes. Compare that to a marathon runner."},{"startTime":1882.68,"endTime":1886.359,"body":"They can't maintain their heart rate. Yes. But they can go a lot further."},{"startTime":1887.319,"endTime":1892.599,"body":"Then compare that to an ultra guy. They can't maintain the heart rate or marathon runner."},{"startTime":1893.319,"endTime":1898.44,"body":"I think a lot of swimmers swim at marathon. All right, when they should be doing slow."},{"startTime":1901.559,"endTime":1912.359,"body":"So I, my weekend swims often, my heart rate's about one team. Yep. And I just swim a long time."},{"startTime":1912.359,"endTime":1917.64,"body":"And then it's all that's your fat burning. Yeah. So pretty good pathway. And you can just go"},{"startTime":1917.64,"endTime":1925.72,"body":"further and you don't need, you barely need to recover. So I think you want to swim as much as"},{"startTime":1925.72,"endTime":1935.079,"body":"you can. But as you can is I measure with HIV. So your heart rate variability. So I have two apps"},{"startTime":1935.079,"endTime":1942.519,"body":"that I use to do that. So in the morning, when you wake up, because you've just finished your recovery."},{"startTime":1942.599,"endTime":1949.319,"body":"So that's when you measure your recovery. Yeah. And I see if I'm probably recovered or not,"},{"startTime":1949.319,"endTime":1956.2,"body":"if I'm not properly covered then also go easy. Would you define yourself as more of a swimmer or more"},{"startTime":1956.2,"endTime":1965.0,"body":"of a nude? I literally spend hours and hours looking at research and podcasts and YouTube."},{"startTime":1966.519,"endTime":1971.4,"body":"You and Jim will get along like an awesome fire. Well, we kind of do because we've got very"},{"startTime":1971.4,"endTime":1980.44,"body":"some of them. Yeah. I often start thinking about my swim route in the ocean after I've started"},{"startTime":1980.44,"endTime":1989.88,"body":"actually swimming in the ocean. Yeah. Oh, we should like go now. I must be not also interested in"},{"startTime":1989.88,"endTime":1995.559,"body":"that. You know, so I think everybody's body reacts differently. So if you go back to your"},{"startTime":1995.559,"endTime":2002.759,"body":"long swim, I remember you saying afterwards we saw and you said, no, not at all. Whereas if I swim,"},{"startTime":2003.64,"endTime":2010.44,"body":"almost all of my swims, if it's three hours or more, my arms hurt that they hurt lots. Now,"},{"startTime":2010.44,"endTime":2016.119,"body":"I reckon I could probably get little arms though. I could probably get better if I did longer"},{"startTime":2016.119,"endTime":2022.44,"body":"duration swims. I kind of get that. But even when I was a runner slash jogger, more of a jogger,"},{"startTime":2022.44,"endTime":2030.359,"body":"I would end up with very sore muscles after that even when I considered myself quite perfect."},{"startTime":2030.359,"endTime":2036.2,"body":"So I think that there must be everybody can improve. I'm a believer that, you know, with a"},{"startTime":2036.2,"endTime":2041.16,"body":"rut training, you can take whatever you, whatever your basis and you can, you can make it better."},{"startTime":2041.16,"endTime":2046.119,"body":"But I also believe that everybody's base is different and how far you can take it is, is"},{"startTime":2046.119,"endTime":2054.92,"body":"dependent on basically your body and the approach that you take to change. But also on top of that,"},{"startTime":2054.92,"endTime":2061.719,"body":"you've got different bodies. So I can't put on muscle if I try. So I'm more, I think more slow"},{"startTime":2061.719,"endTime":2070.76,"body":"twitch. So I think I was built to go long. And I've got long arms, which I think helps as well."},{"startTime":2070.76,"endTime":2075.239,"body":"Sure. So I'm going to claim that's why you're so much better than me."},{"startTime":2077.239,"endTime":2085.239,"body":"Yeah. Well, you know, also, I've been swimming for a while, as I've said, in squads when I was"},{"startTime":2085.239,"endTime":2094.519,"body":"25. Did you actually swim at school? Were you a swimmer? No, I wasn't. I remember."},{"startTime":2095.239,"endTime":2103.239,"body":"This memory came to me earlier in the week for some reason, thinking about sport and the mind."},{"startTime":2103.239,"endTime":2108.519,"body":"Because I think swimming, it's all in your head, especially as you go along. When I was at"},{"startTime":2108.519,"endTime":2118.199,"body":"secondary school, I was training running in my last year and my mum told me, oh, your grandfather"},{"startTime":2118.199,"endTime":2124.28,"body":"was a really good runner. It's in your genes. And she just said that. And I started running"},{"startTime":2125.0,"endTime":2131.639,"body":"after school. And every night, I've run for an hour and a quarter, an hour and a half. And"},{"startTime":2131.639,"endTime":2139.4,"body":"when it came to cross country, I just did really, really, really well. And it was just because I told"},{"startTime":2139.4,"endTime":2144.119,"body":"myself, oh, my mum and dad, you were good at this. All your grandfather's good. So mentally,"},{"startTime":2144.76,"endTime":2147.4,"body":"I beat pretty much everyone in the school cross country team."},{"startTime":2149.8,"endTime":2154.199,"body":"But it's just that little thing. The belief sound is same. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah."},{"startTime":2154.199,"endTime":2159.96,"body":"The mental aspect to it. Yeah. I'm a believer in that. Yeah. That's that confidence and"},{"startTime":2159.96,"endTime":2165.4,"body":"ignorance too. Yeah confidence. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I've got one of those. Yeah."},{"startTime":2167.48,"endTime":2172.039,"body":"Okay. So let's just go go back to you. So we kind of got sort of halfway down"},{"startTime":2172.119,"endTime":2176.119,"body":"down the river and we were lost in the middle of the night. Yes."},{"startTime":2176.119,"endTime":2184.599,"body":"We carry on with this story for a bit there. Yeah. Well, we managed to find, I managed to find"},{"startTime":2185.719,"endTime":2191.4,"body":"one of the other guys. And because they all split up and there's something going in the bank."},{"startTime":2192.119,"endTime":2197.719,"body":"I think Ivan was getting a take by Eels. He was feeding them chocolate logs."},{"startTime":2197.719,"endTime":2208.76,"body":"We can across him. And I think we were a Mercer or something. Okay. Yeah."},{"startTime":2208.76,"endTime":2213.96,"body":"In the end. So we're just back on track again. That was it. It was like, like it didn't happen."},{"startTime":2213.96,"endTime":2221.639,"body":"I thought there were going to be really angry with me for being stupid. And I was just,"},{"startTime":2221.639,"endTime":2226.599,"body":"the whole way down, I couldn't believe that these guys have given up their time to help. I just"},{"startTime":2227.32,"endTime":2237.239,"body":"the whole way down just filled with appreciation. And I was just really happy that they didn't shout at me."},{"startTime":2239.559,"endTime":2246.92,"body":"Yeah. And so we just kept on going like, no one said anything. It was like, I was back. Okay."},{"startTime":2248.36,"endTime":2252.119,"body":"And we have probably relieved. That's what we thought you had lined."},{"startTime":2252.199,"endTime":2258.199,"body":"They didn't push somewhere somewhere. Yes. They were honestly the whole way down."},{"startTime":2258.199,"endTime":2265.0,"body":"These guys are incredible with troubles that hit and just hit it all and keep things."},{"startTime":2266.519,"endTime":2270.36,"body":"I think there's a bit of an interesting dynamic there. You've got all the supporters"},{"startTime":2270.36,"endTime":2275.96,"body":"are trying their best to just give the good vibes to the swimmer. They're all focused on the swimmer"},{"startTime":2275.96,"endTime":2280.039,"body":"and then the swimmer's got nothing else to think about. It's just, I hope all my supporters"},{"startTime":2280.039,"endTime":2284.599,"body":"are okay and I appreciate what you're doing. You've kind of got this cross flow of energy, I think."},{"startTime":2284.599,"endTime":2289.0,"body":"Yeah. So what the hell's going on? You find out afterwards about boats,"},{"startTime":2289.0,"endTime":2294.679,"body":"crests and all these sort of things. It's the duck with its feet going below the water for"},{"startTime":2294.679,"endTime":2308.92,"body":"10. So things were pretty uneventful from then. The light came up and started to see a few more"},{"startTime":2309.0,"endTime":2319.239,"body":"people. There was one guy who helped out with the trying to understand the river."},{"startTime":2320.199,"endTime":2325.239,"body":"There was a lady whose brother-in-law lived down there and he was saying, oh come down, we'll"},{"startTime":2325.239,"endTime":2331.88,"body":"go out in the river and the kids have moved out of home, come stay and there's so many people"},{"startTime":2331.88,"endTime":2337.4,"body":"like that. He was awesome. So we went out with him and he showed us all the channels and all the"},{"startTime":2337.4,"endTime":2345.559,"body":"areas that never ran out of water evidently except for that. So he was down there and people,"},{"startTime":2346.92,"endTime":2353.239,"body":"there were more people. So one question on just the lack of water. We had a pretty dry summer"},{"startTime":2354.599,"endTime":2359.48,"body":"and especially with that guy who knew the river so well, do you think that it was just almost"},{"startTime":2360.36,"endTime":2366.44,"body":"unfortunate that it was a dry summer? If we'd had a bit of a wetter summer, do you feel the swimmer"},{"startTime":2366.44,"endTime":2371.559,"body":"would have gone better or would have just, would you have still had similar sort of challenges?"},{"startTime":2371.559,"endTime":2377.0,"body":"I think it would have gone a lot better. I actually talked to Mercury and he asked them if they'd"},{"startTime":2377.0,"endTime":2384.92,"body":"open up the gates for me but they were so keen. So about 9 o'clock, how do you feel? No."},{"startTime":2386.599,"endTime":2391.32,"body":"It was definitely dry and the river was definitely pretty low. Yeah."},{"startTime":2392.119,"endTime":2399.239,"body":"And then from then on the sun came up. It was just a bit of a grind. We were behind time so"},{"startTime":2400.039,"endTime":2409.88,"body":"we weren't getting the toilet flush. That we were hoping for. And it just went on for quite a long time."},{"startTime":2410.92,"endTime":2416.039,"body":"So that was a beautiful set. At that stage, obviously, suns come up. You're looking at"},{"startTime":2417.0,"endTime":2427.159,"body":"24 hours of swimming, top scenario. Yeah, it's not the most exciting but I was feeling pretty good."},{"startTime":2429.559,"endTime":2435.0,"body":"Did you have any indication of how much further you had to go? Did you ask were you interested"},{"startTime":2435.0,"endTime":2443.88,"body":"or were you just quite happy? That's a good question. I had recognised various points from when"},{"startTime":2444.28,"endTime":2449.079,"body":"we'd gone up with that guy. And it seemed like there was a long way to go but"},{"startTime":2450.76,"endTime":2455.559,"body":"it doesn't sound very motivational and people ask you, you know, why do you do this?"},{"startTime":2456.44,"endTime":2459.559,"body":"And it's the same answer. It's that I haven't got anything else to do."},{"startTime":2462.519,"endTime":2470.76,"body":"If you get out, then what else do you do? Just keep on swimming and fill in in time."},{"startTime":2471.559,"endTime":2476.84,"body":"Yeah. Let's listen to your body, I guess. You know, listening to some thoughts that"},{"startTime":2476.84,"endTime":2481.719,"body":"would assuming your mind goes to places that isn't, you haven't occupied for a little bit."},{"startTime":2482.599,"endTime":2487.639,"body":"Yeah, I have this various things I do just have conversations or"},{"startTime":2489.96,"endTime":2493.719,"body":"started shitting my pants for a while just because I meant to do it. Okay."},{"startTime":2494.199,"endTime":2504.84,"body":"Did you get on purpose or was it a bit of an accident? No, no, why do I have a camera?"},{"startTime":2504.84,"endTime":2507.239,"body":"So it's got to come out, huh? Yeah."},{"startTime":2508.679,"endTime":2515.48,"body":"Hello swimmers, I'm Shannon Keegan, US-based founder of Intrepid Water and host of the podcast"},{"startTime":2515.48,"endTime":2521.719,"body":"Stories from the Water. My friends at Swimscape in Auckland, New Zealand are the proud ambassadors"},{"startTime":2521.719,"endTime":2528.36,"body":"of Auckland's most iconic ocean marathon swim, the 20 kilometers around Rangitoto Volcano"},{"startTime":2528.36,"endTime":2535.719,"body":"in the Haraki Gulf. This is a very achievable marathon swim that like all long-distance swims will"},{"startTime":2535.719,"endTime":2541.0,"body":"live in your memories forever. I don't know about you, but I've got this swim on my bucket list"},{"startTime":2541.0,"endTime":2548.679,"body":"for when I get to visit the beautiful land of the Kiwi. Jump on swimscape.co.nz or email info"},{"startTime":2548.679,"endTime":2553.32,"body":"at swimscape.co.nz to book your slot. See you in the water."},{"startTime":2555.159,"endTime":2564.039,"body":"Did you chave? Fished waters a little easier on your run? No. No, chave. I felt good the whole time."},{"startTime":2564.039,"endTime":2572.44,"body":"Yeah. Yeah. I wasn't sore during or after. I felt better after that than I did after"},{"startTime":2573.0,"endTime":2581.0,"body":"Waiki. Normally I got a sore throat from breathing in. Yeah. Quite hard. But for some reason I didn't."},{"startTime":2581.0,"endTime":2590.76,"body":"Though I did get an inflamed tendon on my left shoulder. Okay. Afterwards. Took a little while."},{"startTime":2591.639,"endTime":2596.599,"body":"So, dude, do you think that the fact that you were swimming in fresh water made a difference?"},{"startTime":2596.599,"endTime":2601.96,"body":"You know, because on the salt can really get your mouth. So that it would make it a little bit"},{"startTime":2601.96,"endTime":2606.76,"body":"easier because you didn't have the salt aspect. Yeah, I think definitely. But I think people could"},{"startTime":2606.76,"endTime":2614.039,"body":"do more for that. I think if you had say coconut cream, have a feed then coat your mouth."},{"startTime":2614.039,"endTime":2623.8,"body":"Maybe. I don't know why people don't do that. I tried Listerine on a long swim and wow, it tasted so"},{"startTime":2623.8,"endTime":2628.76,"body":"bad when it went in. I thought this was the worst thing I've ever done. But for the next half"},{"startTime":2628.76,"endTime":2634.28,"body":"an hour afterwards, my mouth felt so good. Oh, really? Yeah. Listerine mouthwash. Listerine mouthwash."},{"startTime":2634.28,"endTime":2639.8,"body":"Yeah, we heard it here. First people. Yeah. Yeah. So I've never done it again,"},{"startTime":2639.8,"endTime":2644.599,"body":"until you went up to get in it. It wasn't initially a pleasant experience at all."},{"startTime":2645.48,"endTime":2648.76,"body":"But my mouth did feel wonderful afterwards. It really kind of reset."},{"startTime":2648.76,"endTime":2652.599,"body":"Well, yeah. Weird and wonderful stuff that you guys have tried, eh?"},{"startTime":2653.239,"endTime":2655.239,"body":"Yeah, support crew passing you some of the story."},{"startTime":2656.599,"endTime":2658.76,"body":"Don't swallow it. Let me see what happens."},{"startTime":2660.119,"endTime":2667.4,"body":"Oh my god. Okay. I'll stay away from that stuff. So by this stage, you would be getting to,"},{"startTime":2668.599,"endTime":2672.679,"body":"I guess, the area of the swamu, you would stop feeding the title in flights?"},{"startTime":2674.039,"endTime":2681.0,"body":"Start. Yeah. Yeah. And it does it like it really is low. You wouldn't know it, but you can't get a boat"},{"startTime":2681.639,"endTime":2687.0,"body":"when the tides out for quite a lot of that section. Okay. Which we had known. And there's various"},{"startTime":2687.0,"endTime":2693.559,"body":"channels around it, down from islands, because it winds out a huge amount down the bottom there."},{"startTime":2693.559,"endTime":2701.32,"body":"Should the boat give you at that stage? Um, no. No, no, no. That was that was able to manage"},{"startTime":2702.28,"endTime":2707.639,"body":"the whole way down, actually. Yeah, because the tide was still and that was still going out. So"},{"startTime":2708.36,"endTime":2718.679,"body":"we didn't hit it at low tide until later. Okay. As we got further down, we did run out of water"},{"startTime":2718.679,"endTime":2725.32,"body":"and the tide started to come in. Okay. And we had to stop 2K short. Okay. Because we were getting"},{"startTime":2726.599,"endTime":2731.4,"body":"pushed back up past against the tide to have a choice at that stage."},{"startTime":2732.36,"endTime":2741.4,"body":"Unfortunately, so 2K short and the riding was on the wall. So 150 Ks."},{"startTime":2742.679,"endTime":2750.119,"body":"Yeah. 48 Ks. Including going backwards and forwards. 160. Yeah. So I don't know. B."},{"startTime":2750.92,"endTime":2757.239,"body":"Yeah. Okay. 40 something. I'm sure you weren't disappointed with having to stop a little shy."},{"startTime":2757.48,"endTime":2768.44,"body":"Um, I felt that in my head, I felt like an anti-clinax to get out just because I've been enjoying the whole"},{"startTime":2769.159,"endTime":2776.039,"body":"team thing. And I knew when I got out, we were going to have to go our own separate ways."},{"startTime":2776.679,"endTime":2782.679,"body":"And that was what I was thinking about. Okay. Because there's such awesome people like they all"},{"startTime":2783.48,"endTime":2788.599,"body":"incredible. Well, I guess the only thing you can do is do another stupid swim and you wipe them all"},{"startTime":2788.599,"endTime":2794.92,"body":"back again, eh? Yeah. So next year or the year after or the year after? Yeah."},{"startTime":2798.92,"endTime":2802.76,"body":"So we see who's got the pants on. Whether it's the year after or the year after."},{"startTime":2803.96,"endTime":2809.96,"body":"So I suppose the next question is, are you up for a sort of consultancy for people who might want to"},{"startTime":2809.96,"endTime":2816.199,"body":"do a little camping swim down the river just so that, you know, they might know what to expect?"},{"startTime":2816.84,"endTime":2822.119,"body":"Absolutely. I'm happy to help anyone out on anything if people want to chat about stuff."},{"startTime":2822.76,"endTime":2829.4,"body":"Like I say, everyone is everyone's so different. Yeah. I have worked out something there"},{"startTime":2830.039,"endTime":2838.119,"body":"works for me. And it fits the type of swims that I like doing. I'm not, I'm not fast. I don't think."},{"startTime":2840.679,"endTime":2848.599,"body":"I'm just so excited about this. I really love doing it. And I get excited the night before I'm"},{"startTime":2848.599,"endTime":2853.8,"body":"about to do a squad swim. Yeah. Thinking about what's what I'm working on. And yeah."},{"startTime":2856.599,"endTime":2861.32,"body":"Hey, clever dicks listeners. I'm Merlet, the head coach from Swimmy's Mid Auckland."},{"startTime":2861.32,"endTime":2864.84,"body":"Wondering how to improve your stroke or breakthrough your performance plateau."},{"startTime":2865.48,"endTime":2870.44,"body":"Our swim analysis session will help unlock your potential by capturing your stroke from every"},{"startTime":2870.44,"endTime":2876.119,"body":"angle and showing how to correct it. We use a swimsuit methodology focusing on the individual"},{"startTime":2876.119,"endTime":2882.599,"body":"rather than the stroke. Use a code clever dicks to get 15% off if you book a bit analysis session"},{"startTime":2882.599,"endTime":2887.559,"body":"before the end of this year. And if you're an Auckland or visiting, come check out our"},{"startTime":2887.559,"endTime":2894.28,"body":"awesome squad. The first session always free. Find us online swimsuitorclin.go.nz"},{"startTime":2896.599,"endTime":2903.8,"body":"A bit of a detour, but as part of your, I would imagine part of your experimentation or"},{"startTime":2903.8,"endTime":2912.199,"body":"part of your prep for this swim. You did a 24 hour pool swim. That was so good. I would recommend"},{"startTime":2912.519,"endTime":2919.48,"body":"that to anyone if you want to work out your nutrition. You can't work out your nutrition. I"},{"startTime":2919.48,"endTime":2925.0,"body":"think on a four or five hour swim. Because like I said, I can swim four or five hours without"},{"startTime":2925.559,"endTime":2930.36,"body":"eating the night before or the morning. Yeah. How do you work out your nutrition?"},{"startTime":2931.4,"endTime":2941.079,"body":"You need longer, really, I think. So, fools pool? Yeah. 20, what is the date? I can't remember."},{"startTime":2941.159,"endTime":2948.199,"body":"I can't remember. It's the 20th of October. We are doing the second, it's an annual New Zealand"},{"startTime":2948.76,"endTime":2954.519,"body":"24 hour pool champs. We're hoping that you're going to come and defend your title."},{"startTime":2956.599,"endTime":2963.239,"body":"I said I'd never do it again, but yeah, man. Nice. Nice. It's really interesting. And"},{"startTime":2963.96,"endTime":2969.8,"body":"you know, this big swimming is all about the mind. And I gave myself a good"},{"startTime":2969.8,"endTime":2975.559,"body":"student talking to before the last one. If you feel like getting out, you're not going to do it."},{"startTime":2976.199,"endTime":2987.96,"body":"And then your brain just like bypasses your conscious mind. And I got out because I didn't want"},{"startTime":2987.96,"endTime":2996.28,"body":"to have any more of that stuff I was eating. The 24 hour pool swim. Yeah. I couldn't face any more."},{"startTime":2996.28,"endTime":3004.199,"body":"What were you eating? Pepitrums, strong chocolate. I think it was. I think I'd eaten everyone else's"},{"startTime":3004.199,"endTime":3010.36,"body":"food as well by this day. And so, I hope to go back to mine. I was like, I smelt it. And even"},{"startTime":3010.36,"endTime":3016.92,"body":"to this day when I smell it, I feel like dry reaching it. So, you know, that's another reason."},{"startTime":3017.559,"endTime":3022.92,"body":"Well, I'm thankful you didn't experiment with trying to go to the Lou in that pool swim."},{"startTime":3023.079,"endTime":3036.36,"body":"Thank you, guys, for as you know. Did you get, um, did you get, like, saw, I don't know, legs back from"},{"startTime":3036.36,"endTime":3042.599,"body":"tumble tuning in that swamble. My lower back from all those tumble tunes. Yeah, it's a loaded tumble tune."},{"startTime":3042.599,"endTime":3049.239,"body":"There's a lot of tumble tunes. Yeah. Okay. I'm keen to go back. I'm keen to try out some"},{"startTime":3049.8,"endTime":3055.8,"body":"new shit. I'm quite keen to see how far you can go on. On low carb."},{"startTime":3058.199,"endTime":3063.96,"body":"So, there was that polish dude that, uh, the record apparently, I mean, he's like some x and"},{"startTime":3063.96,"endTime":3070.28,"body":"and p and not some crazy like outright. So, real fast swimmer. But I think he did 103 kilometers."},{"startTime":3071.239,"endTime":3077.48,"body":"That's nuts. But you reckon, like, you know, all things being equal, training going, well,"},{"startTime":3077.48,"endTime":3088.119,"body":"what do you reckon is possible for you? For me, for maybe 75. I can't know. Maybe not even that."},{"startTime":3088.679,"endTime":3097.48,"body":"Well, I reckon it's doable. If I think back, and this is me hiking away, um, on the side right,"},{"startTime":3097.48,"endTime":3105.239,"body":"but you seemed to be swimming really fast in that swam, but then you were taking breaks."},{"startTime":3106.199,"endTime":3115.96,"body":"I took one break for hours. So, I went, I did, I think it was 56 continuous without stopping."},{"startTime":3115.96,"endTime":3125.8,"body":"Okay. Um, and then I had that brain shortcut. Yeah. Yeah. And then I got back in and I was swimming"},{"startTime":3125.8,"endTime":3132.199,"body":"a lot faster at the end. Okay. I felt better the longer I went. Okay. So, that's probably more"},{"startTime":3132.199,"endTime":3140.519,"body":"that fat burning because I stopped eating. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I felt better at the end than I did"},{"startTime":3141.239,"endTime":3145.159,"body":"halfway through. So, here's another question, Mark. I've been, um,"},{"startTime":3147.0,"endTime":3151.32,"body":"Samar, similar to you in your, your school course country and similar to you as well,"},{"startTime":3151.32,"endTime":3156.44,"body":"Jim, with your sort of marathon running background, my backgrounds are also running."},{"startTime":3157.4,"endTime":3164.039,"body":"And I've been watching and researching quite a lot of the, the Barclay marathon. Do, do you know"},{"startTime":3164.039,"endTime":3168.92,"body":"about the Barclay marathon? Do you know about it? Yeah. Yeah. I was talking to one of my other"},{"startTime":3168.92,"endTime":3175.4,"body":"mates about it. I find lots there as well. Yeah. So, I don't know. I mean, I'm not an expert,"},{"startTime":3175.4,"endTime":3181.48,"body":"but I can give you a brief summary right? It's, is it that, so they're going to run? No, no, no."},{"startTime":3181.48,"endTime":3187.559,"body":"This is, this is in the States. It's like in freaking Tennessee or like somewhere in the, in the"},{"startTime":3187.559,"endTime":3196.599,"body":"sort of woods. Um, and the story goes that there was like an uptraumatic group that used to go"},{"startTime":3196.599,"endTime":3203.559,"body":"out and into the sort of mountains and run and do all of these long runs. And there's a prison"},{"startTime":3203.639,"endTime":3209.88,"body":"out there, somewhere. And there was like this jailbreak in the gas, the skeleton, you know,"},{"startTime":3210.92,"endTime":3219.88,"body":"ran out, um, and I believe he was gone for like, I think, okay, the stats were made a little"},{"startTime":3219.88,"endTime":3226.599,"body":"wrong, right? But the dude was gone for three days before they found him. And he had only covered"},{"startTime":3226.599,"endTime":3232.84,"body":"like 12 miles or something like that. Obviously, he wasn't a runner. So, these runnades were like,"},{"startTime":3232.84,"endTime":3239.0,"body":"ah, mate, I reckon we, you know, we could wax that, we could go away further than he could go,"},{"startTime":3239.0,"endTime":3245.48,"body":"right? And they started the sparkly marathon. And the whole idea was it's, it's loops."},{"startTime":3246.44,"endTime":3255.719,"body":"Um, and there's a 60 hour cutoff. And it's generally five loops, right? And a lot of people get"},{"startTime":3256.44,"endTime":3260.679,"body":"passed three loops and then you get a pattern on the back and they're called after fun run."},{"startTime":3261.32,"endTime":3266.679,"body":"That's like 60 miles or 70 miles or something, it's like the fun line line. But it's up through the"},{"startTime":3266.679,"endTime":3274.119,"body":"mountains and it's a little bit of like orientering. So you've got to, on your lap, you have to like"},{"startTime":3274.119,"endTime":3281.719,"body":"find a, a book that the race organis have, have left under the big oak tree next to the river, whatever"},{"startTime":3281.719,"endTime":3288.92,"body":"it is. And if you're race numbers, that number 13, you've got to repart page 13 and then return it"},{"startTime":3288.92,"endTime":3294.199,"body":"to the race organisers on your lap. Yeah. To prove that you've done the whole lap. Yeah."},{"startTime":3295.48,"endTime":3303.639,"body":"Now, um, this year's sparkly marathon, nobody finished. No body finished. Not one. Not"},{"startTime":3305.0,"endTime":3311.48,"body":"in history, there's only ever been one woman that's finished. And on average, the stats of"},{"startTime":3311.48,"endTime":3318.199,"body":"something stupid like this being, whatever it is, let's say there's been 200 or 300 runners,"},{"startTime":3318.199,"endTime":3323.719,"body":"only like 16 or 20 of the guys I've actually ever finished the parking marathon. So if I was a"},{"startTime":3323.719,"endTime":3331.239,"body":"runner, I'd be like, how big that would be my thing. So what's the swimming version that we can do"},{"startTime":3331.239,"endTime":3337.159,"body":"of the parking marathon? It's funny because I've got an answer for you. I reckon what you do is swim"},{"startTime":3337.159,"endTime":3345.8,"body":"the tides. And the cool thing about this is that anyone could do any one of any ability. So for"},{"startTime":3345.8,"endTime":3358.679,"body":"example, you start and say long bay. Yeah. One bay. Um, yeah, yeah. And then on a low tide. And then"},{"startTime":3358.679,"endTime":3363.96,"body":"you swim in. And maybe it's maybe if you're good, you can get to take a pony. No, maybe"},{"startTime":3363.96,"endTime":3368.92,"body":"if not, wherever you get to, you get to. Yeah. I don't know the North Shore. And then so that's"},{"startTime":3368.92,"endTime":3373.8,"body":"the change of tide. And then you get back in again. And you could swim as many tides. Okay. You could"},{"startTime":3373.8,"endTime":3380.119,"body":"do that anywhere in the world. Yeah. Anyone of any ability could just go up and down with a tide."},{"startTime":3380.119,"endTime":3385.88,"body":"Yeah. I like that. You don't need a lot of support. Just one guy in a kayak close close to the"},{"startTime":3385.88,"endTime":3392.28,"body":"beach. So you say five tides. Yeah. You could. Yeah. Five tides. There you go. Not five laps,"},{"startTime":3392.28,"endTime":3396.199,"body":"five tides. Five tides. I think you're on to something. And then do it anywhere in the world."},{"startTime":3396.84,"endTime":3401.48,"body":"Yeah. And then you compare distances. Now the way he starts this race."},{"startTime":3402.44,"endTime":3407.48,"body":"Because I think I'm having a glimpse into the future here. You might need to be the starter."},{"startTime":3408.039,"endTime":3412.039,"body":"If you're not swimming, I suppose you'll be swimming. But you can start to answer. How would I say?"},{"startTime":3412.519,"endTime":3418.92,"body":"So he stays. Hey guys, the race is on the last weekend of April. Whatever it is."},{"startTime":3420.039,"endTime":3429.48,"body":"But now it's not called Saturday 8 a.m. We start. The race starts when he feels it's good to start."},{"startTime":3429.48,"endTime":3437.559,"body":"So part of the intrigue and part of the, I don't know, the stress is you can't go and have"},{"startTime":3437.559,"endTime":3441.0,"body":"like a full night's sleep thinking tomorrow morning, I'm going to wake up at six"},{"startTime":3441.0,"endTime":3445.32,"body":"eat and then I'll be ready to rest by it. Because it's going to, he's going to call it."},{"startTime":3446.039,"endTime":3451.719,"body":"And the way that he calls it is he starts his, he likes to cigarette. But apparently an hour"},{"startTime":3451.719,"endTime":3457.079,"body":"before you've gotten hours worth of prep after he likes to. Correct. Yeah. So lots of cigarette"},{"startTime":3457.159,"endTime":3460.92,"body":"and everybody's like, I'm going to go like, I'm going to get ready, right? But until then you're"},{"startTime":3460.92,"endTime":3465.079,"body":"like nervously waiting around. Everybody's like watching this due to see when he laughs and"},{"startTime":3465.079,"endTime":3470.92,"body":"persigulate. And it might be on the Sunday. It might be on the Friday. It might be at three o'clock"},{"startTime":3470.92,"endTime":3476.36,"body":"in the afternoon. It might be at six o'clock in the morning. So we're going to need to get you"},{"startTime":3476.36,"endTime":3485.8,"body":"some cigars maybe. All right. He goes to cigarette. It will mix up. If you're doing a swim"},{"startTime":3485.88,"endTime":3490.519,"body":"the tide, that's not going to work. But I like the idea, you know. Catch a fish."},{"startTime":3490.519,"endTime":3497.079,"body":"Anyway, I could do it. Yeah. Did you hear about my swim fishing? No. No."},{"startTime":3498.199,"endTime":3506.28,"body":"So I've had all sorts of ways of trying to make swimming fun. Yes. I mean, one of them was"},{"startTime":3506.84,"endTime":3514.84,"body":"a higher fishing line to your toe float. Yes. With no bait. With a spinner. Okay. Try and catch"},{"startTime":3514.84,"endTime":3523.239,"body":"a cutway. And any successes? It's that called a swimmer. No, I thought maybe I shouldn't be doing"},{"startTime":3523.239,"endTime":3529.559,"body":"that. I was going to say it's something that I could do because I'm at the back. Yeah. Yeah,"},{"startTime":3529.559,"endTime":3534.84,"body":"but I would be worried of it attracting because if you catch a fish, yeah, that's going to attract"},{"startTime":3534.84,"endTime":3540.519,"body":"something else, right? Yeah. I don't think things through it. Yeah. Obviously. I can't"},{"startTime":3540.519,"endTime":3551.4,"body":"have it. Was it over there? There were some dude in the news a couple of weeks ago in Israel,"},{"startTime":3551.4,"endTime":3558.84,"body":"I believe, who was how bent on getting a real cool GoPro video of sharks. Did he read about it?"},{"startTime":3558.84,"endTime":3564.36,"body":"No, I didn't know. So instead of, you know, whatever he had, his fins and his snorkels and all that"},{"startTime":3564.36,"endTime":3572.679,"body":"crap. And he decided to bait himself. And he got munched. What a surprise. He got munched. But"},{"startTime":3572.679,"endTime":3579.639,"body":"I'm hoping the footage was pretty cool. Yeah. Hope this actor won an idiot. All right. So"},{"startTime":3580.519,"endTime":3588.039,"body":"you're probably just about on time now. So after the swim, body okay. He said that you had a"},{"startTime":3588.039,"endTime":3595.32,"body":"bit of a shoulder issues. Is that all sorted now? Yeah. So I've been back into the swimming for"},{"startTime":3595.32,"endTime":3606.36,"body":"quite a while. Yeah. Feels good. Feels good. I'm doing my own sort of training now. I think"},{"startTime":3606.36,"endTime":3614.92,"body":"that you've got a three year buildup to the next swimmer, right? Yeah. Yeah. So I've been"},{"startTime":3614.92,"endTime":3622.76,"body":"been leaning into that research. I've been looking at and having something that suits"},{"startTime":3622.76,"endTime":3630.119,"body":"more the way I think. So I've got a squad of one. Yeah. Yeah. And you're thinking about what the"},{"startTime":3630.119,"endTime":3637.0,"body":"next challenge could be. Yeah. That's part of the process. I'll presume. Yeah. Yeah. Local."},{"startTime":3637.96,"endTime":3644.28,"body":"Well, I've been thinking. I'd like to do something a bit longer. Yep."},{"startTime":3646.039,"endTime":3656.679,"body":"Because do it till you break it, son. Yep. Yeah. And I haven't broken it yet. So I think I'd like"},{"startTime":3656.679,"endTime":3665.719,"body":"to try a 20 sorry 48 hour. Yeah. Okay. Pretty sure I could have gone another night. Okay."},{"startTime":3666.679,"endTime":3674.44,"body":"So what's the longest is like 60 hours? Yeah. That's just over 60 hours. Yeah. And if I think"},{"startTime":3674.44,"endTime":3680.92,"body":"back to like day in and I had and serotonous and all of those, it's all been like 50 or something."},{"startTime":3682.92,"endTime":3689.88,"body":"I get a bold for that. In my mid 50s. You told us last time that you were going to get"},{"startTime":3689.88,"endTime":3696.519,"body":"bitter and bitter as you get older. Well, I have been. So what is my first stage? We've got a"},{"startTime":3698.199,"endTime":3706.519,"body":"so 55 is like the new 75, right? Is it? I don't know. I'm going to be surprised to get it"},{"startTime":3706.519,"endTime":3710.84,"body":"out of the way. Well, now he's still on the build up. Yeah. I'll have to turn 50."},{"startTime":3711.8,"endTime":3720.119,"body":"But you're a legend, dude. And we'll see you again in 18 months time for a maybe two years time"},{"startTime":3720.119,"endTime":3727.559,"body":"for another chat about the next stupid thing that you've done. Yep. You're an inspiration to"},{"startTime":3727.559,"endTime":3733.4,"body":"to tons of crazy people out there and keep going, dude. So we'll see. We'll see. We'll see."},{"startTime":3733.48,"endTime":3738.519,"body":"Rick and so on. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If anyone wants to chat about anything,"},{"startTime":3739.559,"endTime":3744.44,"body":"you know, if they're planning on training for something, I'm more than happy."},{"startTime":3744.44,"endTime":3751.0,"body":"Reach out, jump or put your work on tech details on. Yep. Yep. Just email. If I can put an email"},{"startTime":3751.0,"endTime":3759.239,"body":"in the my links probably on my Instagram. Instagram. Instagram. I'll put a link to Instagram"},{"startTime":3759.32,"endTime":3766.28,"body":"and they can reach out through that if you're six months. Yeah. Yeah. I'm really reliable like that."},{"startTime":3766.28,"endTime":3771.48,"body":"You know, I'll check Facebook monthly. Yeah. Yeah. That's cool. Awesome. Thank you."},{"startTime":3771.48,"endTime":3777.48,"body":"You're welcome. Thanks. Hi, my name is Caitlin. I'm Riley. I'm the youngest person who"},{"startTime":3777.48,"endTime":3782.599,"body":"have completed the Ocean 7 Challenge. And for this really cool podcast has helped you learn"},{"startTime":3782.599,"endTime":3788.36,"body":"something new. Maybe it's introduced you to new swimmers, made you smile. Then please"},{"startTime":3788.36,"endTime":3793.159,"body":"take the opportunity to subscribe to Duncan and Jim's channel. I'm sure they would absolutely"},{"startTime":3793.159,"endTime":3798.599,"body":"appreciate all your support. Cheers. Thanks, Caitlin. Well, as always, you can give us feedback on our"},{"startTime":3806.36,"endTime":3811.159,"body":"appreciate hearing from you and cheers. We'll speak to you again soon."}]}