{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"startTime":0.0,"endTime":15.0,"body":"Welcome to another Clever Dicks podcast. In this podcast we're talking to Dean Madsen."},{"startTime":15.0,"endTime":19.839,"body":"Dean is an Auckland bass drummer who's been swimming for a long time and is currently"},{"startTime":19.839,"endTime":26.16,"body":"building up to do a big swim or two in his future. However as you'll hear when you listen"},{"startTime":26.16,"endTime":31.6,"body":"to the podcast he's had a bit of a tough year, he's had some hard issues and then ended up"},{"startTime":31.6,"endTime":37.359,"body":"getting diagnosed with Parkinson's. So let's listen to how he deals with all of his challenges"},{"startTime":37.359,"endTime":43.28,"body":"and what's in his future. Yeah well welcome to another Clever Dicks podcast. Today we're talking"},{"startTime":43.28,"endTime":48.399,"body":"to Dean. How are you today Dean? I'm good thanks Jim. Thanks to being here. Yeah cool cool."},{"startTime":48.399,"endTime":53.039,"body":"So what what we start off with is we just give you a bit of an opportunity to tell us your"},{"startTime":53.039,"endTime":56.799,"body":"swim story you know sort of how you kind of got into it and what it means to you and things"},{"startTime":56.799,"endTime":62.32,"body":"like that and then we can dive into into the more interesting things and we'll take the conversation"},{"startTime":62.32,"endTime":68.319,"body":"as it goes. So what's your swim story Dean? Okay so I wasn't really much of a swimmer when I was"},{"startTime":68.319,"endTime":76.159,"body":"little. I was mainly a surfer and gizzy and the funny thing about that was when my dad used to take"},{"startTime":76.159,"endTime":80.719,"body":"us down to the beach when I was young he decided that he had enough again to the beach every day because"},{"startTime":80.719,"endTime":85.76,"body":"we were such me a keen swimmers so I had to learn to swim. Got my 100m swim certificate and once"},{"startTime":85.76,"endTime":91.599,"body":"I had that that was it you can just go surf. The need dad to come down with you. So there wasn't"},{"startTime":91.599,"endTime":96.959,"body":"so there wasn't much swimming back around as a youngster but my two out of brothers were keen"},{"startTime":96.959,"endTime":101.519,"body":"triathletes and I watched them. One of my brothers tried to qualify for the Commonwealth Games,"},{"startTime":101.519,"endTime":107.519,"body":"1990 Commonwealth Games and I guess that sparked an interest in triathlon so that's probably where"},{"startTime":107.519,"endTime":114.48,"body":"my swim journey started was I went along to a pool and got some technique lessons. Yeah, yeah."},{"startTime":114.48,"endTime":121.2,"body":"Start a swimming. Did triathlons for about 15 years? A few iron mans thrown in there and then"},{"startTime":122.4,"endTime":128.56,"body":"I guess it just casually throws that in. A couple of iron mans yeah. Yeah my brothers were"},{"startTime":128.56,"endTime":133.28,"body":"really good at short course but I just went straight to the long so yeah it just seemed to be"},{"startTime":133.28,"endTime":139.039,"body":"a bit of an endurance nut which probably brings me where I am today but about 15 years ago I think"},{"startTime":139.039,"endTime":144.719,"body":"I got really seriously into open water swimming and made my own Richard Alice started a"},{"startTime":144.719,"endTime":151.52,"body":"men's health group with swimming as the main focus of it. So the idea of that was to go along"},{"startTime":151.52,"endTime":155.52,"body":"there's a mix of eyes going to have a coffee at a bit of banter and you know that would be good"},{"startTime":155.52,"endTime":161.039,"body":"for men's health so that's kind of got us into swimming in from there kind of proceeded to grow"},{"startTime":161.039,"endTime":166.96,"body":"from from that you know oh I remember that's the mistake I made was I brought a woman to that"},{"startTime":166.96,"endTime":175.36,"body":"group once we did I'm so sorry but you guys are accommodating us really well so thank you. Yeah we"},{"startTime":175.36,"endTime":179.28,"body":"had a sip of a sip of a table and we had a sip of a table and I was finished for the day but it's okay"},{"startTime":179.28,"endTime":192.96,"body":"yeah. Yeah it's a it's a good crew so yeah I think one of my mates about seven or eight years ago"},{"startTime":192.96,"endTime":199.68,"body":"we did our first sort of marathon swim which was the one from Mairangi Bay down to Devonport. Oh yeah"},{"startTime":199.68,"endTime":204.56,"body":"yeah we trained pretty hard for that we trained pretty hard all over the summer and then on the day"},{"startTime":205.039,"endTime":210.879,"body":"they cancelled it. I remember that yeah it was quite it was quite funny it was pretty rough and"},{"startTime":210.879,"endTime":216.08,"body":"one of my mates who hadn't trained quite as hard he was walking down the road and then they announced"},{"startTime":216.08,"endTime":221.36,"body":"it was cancelled and he was going woo! It's not on and then we politely told him we got there that"},{"startTime":221.36,"endTime":227.759,"body":"we're still going to swim. So his reaction was quite funny yeah but that must be like 10k's yeah"},{"startTime":228.8,"endTime":233.599,"body":"it's 12 but they call it 10 because it's tired of us to swim okay but that day was probably"},{"startTime":233.68,"endTime":238.56,"body":"probably an honest 12 of the chop. I remember some of the sideways chop hitting me and you'd be swimming"},{"startTime":238.56,"endTime":242.8,"body":"along and you'd get hit by this wave and you'd just kind of move sideways but it was fine it was"},{"startTime":242.8,"endTime":247.759,"body":"only occasionally and it was harder for our gaiache we felt sorry fam. Well it's you know when it"},{"startTime":247.759,"endTime":252.08,"body":"cancelled my gaiache who was my daughter was was quite relieved and I don't think she would have"},{"startTime":252.08,"endTime":255.52,"body":"actually handled it so. I think that's why they actually cancelled it was more for the gaiache"},{"startTime":255.52,"endTime":260.639,"body":"as in the swimmers and that was right there was the right safety call. Yeah yeah I did the last"},{"startTime":260.639,"endTime":267.12,"body":"part of it that year we just went from Takapuna round because one of the other swimmers their"},{"startTime":267.12,"endTime":273.439,"body":"son was like really seriously into life saving so he thought he'd be fine and he was yeah. Yeah"},{"startTime":274.72,"endTime":278.639,"body":"It wasn't so bad once you got around North Head it was just getting around North Head was the"},{"startTime":278.639,"endTime":283.36,"body":"challenge that day wasn't it? Yeah yeah it's like a washing machine. Yeah yeah it was quite an"},{"startTime":283.36,"endTime":289.12,"body":"lumpy that day. Yeah North Head is is where that swimmer was knocked over by a ferry or about"},{"startTime":289.12,"endTime":294.24,"body":"that's correct yeah ten years ago. Oh yeah yeah. I didn't realise it was there. I thought I knew"},{"startTime":294.24,"endTime":298.079,"body":"I thought it was around the narrow neck region but I guess it is kind of that area. Yeah I think"},{"startTime":298.079,"endTime":304.079,"body":"it was I think he was going from narrow neck around into different porties. So that brings me"},{"startTime":304.079,"endTime":310.879,"body":"to my next question do you swim with the Tow float? So that's your visible? I don't know. Yeah I mean I"},{"startTime":310.879,"endTime":315.519,"body":"think with the mocha crew we've been swimming down at Takapuna like inside the lane boys. Yeah"},{"startTime":315.519,"endTime":320.56,"body":"and that's primarily where I swim but when I go and I have to admit I've been a bit naughty lately"},{"startTime":320.56,"endTime":326.079,"body":"with the beta bay crew and then I haven't brought my Tow float but generally as a rule if I'm with other"},{"startTime":326.079,"endTime":332.399,"body":"groups I'll take my Tow float. Yeah definitely as a safety. Yeah and to be honest for health reasons now"},{"startTime":332.399,"endTime":338.48,"body":"I probably should have a Tow float. I think so yeah that's been it it's been an interesting year. Yeah"},{"startTime":338.48,"endTime":347.12,"body":"yeah we can talk about that now so when we met you yeah you had put your hand up for a Taupo"},{"startTime":347.12,"endTime":354.399,"body":"crossing ahead and you were training that made and I think we we managed to do one swim around"},{"startTime":354.959,"endTime":358.879,"body":"Gulf Harbour. It's called Gulf Harbour Shakespeare to Army Bay. Yeah that was a great"},{"startTime":358.879,"endTime":364.0,"body":"swim though and I really enjoyed it. It was like 8k or so some 8 to 9 years. Yeah that was an"},{"startTime":364.0,"endTime":368.639,"body":"interesting swim was really good. Yeah besides the fact that I couldn't keep up with you guys"},{"startTime":368.639,"endTime":375.279,"body":"but that was good. Tell us what you know maybe a little bit of that journey and then you know"},{"startTime":375.279,"endTime":381.6,"body":"the wheels are falling off a little bit. Yeah so the training training was going pretty well"},{"startTime":381.6,"endTime":388.24,"body":"I thought through January February and you know I kind of got to March where I guess almost in"},{"startTime":388.24,"endTime":397.12,"body":"the home straight to do that swim. Yeah had to go down to do a big swim in Gwenshalat"},{"startTime":397.12,"endTime":401.759,"body":"sound. Yes. With a group of people and got sick two weeks before that and it was kind of"},{"startTime":401.759,"endTime":406.0,"body":"deja vu because to be honest I'd been sick the year before for that swim and not been able to"},{"startTime":406.0,"endTime":411.68,"body":"complete it. I'll do one of the sections but it's it's like about 10 legs. Okay I'll swim so I"},{"startTime":412.639,"endTime":417.519,"body":"did two llegs that year. Yeah. This year I got there and I was croaking it was kind of like"},{"startTime":417.519,"endTime":423.04,"body":"oh shit bloody deja vu and I was almost going to hop on the boat and not swim the first day and I"},{"startTime":423.04,"endTime":426.16,"body":"thought no I just can't do that and I thought I'm just going to hop on the water and I'll swim"},{"startTime":426.16,"endTime":430.72,"body":"okay and if I don't feel any good I'll hop out. Yeah. So kind of hopped on the water had a swim"},{"startTime":431.199,"endTime":437.199,"body":"and fouled okay and fouled quite slowly picked it up and next year and I sort of finished"},{"startTime":437.279,"endTime":441.519,"body":"fairly high up in the group considering I was I was first sort of non-witzing person. Yeah."},{"startTime":441.519,"endTime":445.68,"body":"Back to the boat and thought I yeah it was good, fouled okay, hopped on the boat had a quick look at"},{"startTime":445.68,"endTime":449.12,"body":"my garment my heart rate was about 10-15 beats higher and it should be and thought okay well this"},{"startTime":449.12,"endTime":454.399,"body":"ain't right. Something's not right. Yeah so I kind of eased off and didn't swim the next day and"},{"startTime":454.399,"endTime":460.16,"body":"and to be honest I was cropping it for the whole weekend. Yeah. Came back and it was actually lucky one"},{"startTime":460.16,"endTime":464.079,"body":"of my mates got me an earlier flight because the weather was pretty rough. Yep. With Ian New Zealand"},{"startTime":464.16,"endTime":471.04,"body":"and yeah got a striving home from the airport and just sort of thought my chest feels a little"},{"startTime":471.04,"endTime":476.48,"body":"bit funny and a bit of pressure on the chest and thought I would have I would have ranked at a"},{"startTime":476.48,"endTime":482.16,"body":"one out of ten. Yeah. So most men I think all of us would have ignored that entirely and if I"},{"startTime":482.16,"endTime":486.72,"body":"had been from a garment showing all these high stress levels and different things and a few"},{"startTime":486.72,"endTime":490.48,"body":"things over the over the weekend I'd have sought and then I actually thought I'd"},{"startTime":490.56,"endTime":495.279,"body":"thought a little bit sswaet on my forehead and said right those two things plus a Garmin that could"},{"startTime":495.279,"endTime":499.439,"body":"be hot and I thought I was just going to get a hospital and get checked. Yep. Did you listen to"},{"startTime":499.439,"endTime":503.199,"body":"the ghost straight from where you were? I literally went I was still going home I rang my wife"},{"startTime":503.199,"endTime":507.759,"body":"and said look not sure but I'm just going to get a hospital and get checked. I thought well it"},{"startTime":507.759,"endTime":512.639,"body":"really started on an ECG or do something. Yep. I wasn't looking forward to going to hospital"},{"startTime":512.639,"endTime":516.08,"body":"because then it was going to be a bit of a wait but it actually didn't turn out to be as bad as I"},{"startTime":516.159,"endTime":523.519,"body":"thought. Yep. And so it was really minor when it was in the actual hospital I think whatever they"},{"startTime":523.519,"endTime":527.919,"body":"saw was quite minor but it was all just it was all just enough like talking to the cardiologist"},{"startTime":527.919,"endTime":533.919,"body":"post that it was kind of like you know everything was just enough to have a look."},{"startTime":535.2,"endTime":541.6,"body":"So anyway they after a number of series of tests they found a blockage in my left artery."},{"startTime":542.159,"endTime":548.96,"body":"It was quite well I mean I think it was about 60 to 70 percent range and I've got a stentance"},{"startTime":548.96,"endTime":556.159,"body":"inserted. So obviously had to take a few weeks off swimming couldn't do taupeau. So there was"},{"startTime":556.159,"endTime":560.24,"body":"a match there was a match. There was a match. There was a match. Swim was supposed to be an April"},{"startTime":560.24,"endTime":564.799,"body":"that was March. Yep. So that basic I mean a drink full rush from the hospital and say look"},{"startTime":564.799,"endTime":569.759,"body":"mate I can't cancel him. And I wasn't sure what it was going to mean but the cardiologist and all"},{"startTime":569.759,"endTime":573.6,"body":"that kind of at the hospital thought that swamming was storming the cards. Yep."},{"startTime":575.039,"endTime":581.36,"body":"Okay. Yeah now I've seen a cardiologist on a treadmill test and they do want to do one more"},{"startTime":581.36,"endTime":585.759,"body":"test on me which we're going to do in November. Yep. But at the stage it's pretty comfortable when"},{"startTime":585.759,"endTime":593.039,"body":"since that episode I eased into training really really lightly. Like the first my doctor told me"},{"startTime":593.039,"endTime":597.279,"body":"not to swim for five weeks and my caliologist said now there's rubbish it's too too long."},{"startTime":597.279,"endTime":601.679,"body":"I like your cardio we must maybe give his details to this to the guys after this."},{"startTime":601.679,"endTime":608.24,"body":"I two weeks later I hopped in the water in the water. If I keep my heart rate real low"},{"startTime":608.24,"endTime":612.32,"body":"yeah no worries right and I thought with swimming it's all about feel so I just wanted to be in the"},{"startTime":612.32,"endTime":617.759,"body":"water and I swam it and probably an abysmal stroke an abysmal pace but heart rate never went"},{"startTime":617.759,"endTime":621.679,"body":"very high and did that for a couple of weeks and then that okay and slowly build it up and"},{"startTime":622.32,"endTime":627.84,"body":"within the five weeks I think I was sort of back to squadron. Yep. Took a little bit of"},{"startTime":627.84,"endTime":631.44,"body":"confidence I think once I had had the I knew the cardio check was coming out for the caliologist"},{"startTime":631.44,"endTime":636.48,"body":"once I got that tick it was like back to full draining and it's sort of gone pretty good since then."},{"startTime":636.48,"endTime":646.159,"body":"Okay. Yeah. Nice man. Yeah. So that then postponed your plans for for Topo probably a year"},{"startTime":646.159,"endTime":652.559,"body":"or a year or a year and was the thinking? Well I mean my goal has always been to do to be honest"},{"startTime":652.559,"endTime":657.759,"body":"to do the cook straight and I almost said to full rush members on hospital I said look"},{"startTime":657.759,"endTime":662.32,"body":"well after hospital I said look I think I've learned a lot this year maybe we should just go"},{"startTime":662.32,"endTime":667.6,"body":"straight to the straight but I suppose we only thought about it and to be honest I don't think"},{"startTime":667.6,"endTime":671.279,"body":"I'd train hard enough I don't have my nutrition right there's so many things that I didn't feel"},{"startTime":671.36,"endTime":677.2,"body":"like I'd write so I thought no I'm not going to I'm not going to do the cook straight I will do"},{"startTime":677.2,"endTime":682.799,"body":"tailpipe. Yep. I think it's I think it's it's a longer swim and it's probably tough because of"},{"startTime":682.799,"endTime":686.399,"body":"the time in the water but you don't have the currents you don't have all those kind of things to"},{"startTime":686.399,"endTime":692.799,"body":"deal with and I thought well in a way part of it's harder part of it's easier I think you know I've"},{"startTime":692.799,"endTime":695.519,"body":"watched some of the people on the track as this year and there's some really good swimmers here"},{"startTime":695.759,"endTime":702.399,"body":"I made it cook a cook straight yeah I'm thinking well I'm not I'm not good enough so I mean one of"},{"startTime":702.399,"endTime":708.799,"body":"the positive things about the heart was it gave me a chance to reset and I went and talked to my"},{"startTime":708.799,"endTime":713.12,"body":"swim coach and I had done a few lessons with him the year before but not many and we'd started"},{"startTime":713.12,"endTime":718.399,"body":"doing a bit of technique work so I've used that passage of time to really get a lot of technique"},{"startTime":718.399,"endTime":723.279,"body":"training in and certainly there's quite a lot to fix yeah and store a bit to fix but who's your"},{"startTime":723.279,"endTime":729.919,"body":"coach but what's Jacob at Millennium but he's just gone down for sure okay it's a real I think"},{"startTime":729.919,"endTime":736.72,"body":"we're all sorry to see him he had quite a nice following he was by he's just a genuine good guy"},{"startTime":736.72,"endTime":741.84,"body":"and I really enjoyed him and you know the one-on-one sessions had with him and certainly all missing"},{"startTime":741.84,"endTime":746.639,"body":"so whether I find someone else to fill that gap because there's still a bit of correction"},{"startTime":746.639,"endTime":751.44,"body":"to be done but I think we've made some good changes Jim can reference you to somebody yeah"},{"startTime":752.159,"endTime":753.84,"body":"nice yeah my coach"},{"startTime":755.44,"endTime":763.6,"body":"so money more at swim smooth works on a game field she's pretty good yeah I'd go and have a yarn"},{"startTime":763.6,"endTime":768.0,"body":"with her so see what you get really yeah I'll grab that name before I leave yeah yeah yeah"},{"startTime":768.0,"endTime":773.039,"body":"definitely I need I need a little bit of work on my left arm but it's getting there"},{"startTime":774.399,"endTime":779.6,"body":"so I knew even some of my training swims last year that with my left arm I don't hold it out"},{"startTime":779.6,"endTime":785.759,"body":"long enough and I tend to and I think I don't rotate enough to now I was watching a video today"},{"startTime":785.759,"endTime":790.159,"body":"and I don't hold my rotation so we're on the side that you know non-breathing side most people"},{"startTime":790.159,"endTime":795.12,"body":"swimmers don't rotate enough and I think that's the issue which means then my hands dropping too far"},{"startTime":795.12,"endTime":799.6,"body":"on the water and then I'm pulling it across and of course when it's choppy that just gets over exediated"},{"startTime":800.799,"endTime":805.36,"body":"now I've got a very similar problem my left hand's my problem but so it's my right arm my left leg"},{"startTime":805.44,"endTime":812.08,"body":"my right leg and my breathing yeah I've kind of got a new excuse for my left arm it shakes a little so"},{"startTime":815.84,"endTime":820.08,"body":"yeah so it's my cheek you guys are brave with it me because I wouldn't even go for a video"},{"startTime":820.08,"endTime":823.279,"body":"in your analysis because they're gonna just tell me do you take up kayaking or something"},{"startTime":823.279,"endTime":828.48,"body":"or I don't even want to see the end of this to be honest I'll just rather have them say look"},{"startTime":828.48,"endTime":836.72,"body":"that looks really crap just do that um so I'm assuming when you were sort of starting like back"},{"startTime":836.72,"endTime":844.399,"body":"in the day with with triathons and iron man and suffocate you were in a wetsuit yeah yeah"},{"startTime":844.399,"endTime":852.32,"body":"primarily I swam in a wetsuit so yeah non-wetsuit swimming feeling you yep probably only started to"},{"startTime":852.32,"endTime":858.159,"body":"be honest actually I really only started the last summer yep it's really new it's really new"},{"startTime":858.159,"endTime":863.919,"body":"you had to go non-wetsuit um feels kind of given me a little bit of a dispensation this winter"},{"startTime":863.919,"endTime":868.0,"body":"of not so suffocate as you hop back in the wetsuit yeah it was a little bit consumed for the heart"},{"startTime":868.0,"endTime":876.559,"body":"and everything originally and the cold um not overdo it and stress the body even more um so and"},{"startTime":876.559,"endTime":879.759,"body":"also swimming through the winter was new to me I only did a little bit of last winter and that"},{"startTime":879.759,"endTime":883.759,"body":"was my first winter of probably I've done a couple of swims but I'd better do more last winter"},{"startTime":884.48,"endTime":890.639,"body":"um and this year of kind of swam through the winter for the first time so that's so there's a start"},{"startTime":891.919,"endTime":896.72,"body":"looking looking to get rid of the wetsuit in October so I think once all temperature gets to"},{"startTime":896.72,"endTime":902.32,"body":"about 16 in a bit that'll be enough yeah yeah yeah only two degrees off yeah yeah we're getting there"},{"startTime":902.32,"endTime":906.96,"body":"yep oh so hopefully I'll be back in the water at the same time you in the wetsuit yeah"},{"startTime":906.96,"endTime":916.0,"body":"yeah yeah but I will tell you a date you should yeah okay so um at that stage maybe just a"},{"startTime":916.0,"endTime":924.0,"body":"a guy so how old are you Dean you so I'm 27 28 yeah and I'm 61 almost 62 are we 62 in December"},{"startTime":926.159,"endTime":931.759,"body":"yeah so um but I actually feel like I'm probably not swimming much slower than when I was in my"},{"startTime":931.759,"endTime":937.279,"body":"30s and doing eye man to be honest cool I think I was um certainly fitter yep and the breathing"},{"startTime":937.279,"endTime":944.72,"body":"was better yeah but the technique wasn't as good okay so like I wouldn't say I was fast but I'm"},{"startTime":944.72,"endTime":949.919,"body":"not far off yeah okay it'd be interesting to do an eye man swim and see what I can knock out yeah"},{"startTime":949.919,"endTime":953.12,"body":"put it that way yeah with the wetsuit and the whole thing you know with the wetsuit and then I"},{"startTime":953.12,"endTime":958.159,"body":"reckon um I think uh because I used to come in like Hawaii was my best swim in the eye man"},{"startTime":958.159,"endTime":963.919,"body":"a wide at 59 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dude"},{"startTime":1006.879,"endTime":1011.6,"body":"how do you how do you fit the swimming and the training in around work and laugh and and"},{"startTime":1011.6,"endTime":1017.279,"body":"relationships and all of that stuff is that easy or is it just being something you've always done uh"},{"startTime":1017.279,"endTime":1021.919,"body":"well to be honest I'm in the training recently it's been pretty easy I retired from"},{"startTime":1021.919,"endTime":1028.4,"body":"we spent that I worked for 40 years um just over three years ago now um and then I was doing"},{"startTime":1028.4,"endTime":1033.279,"body":"sort of our jobs but um last year I took up a job working for a mortgage-breaking company"},{"startTime":1034.0,"endTime":1038.079,"body":"and when they were hiring me I said look I don't want to work full-time and and they say well we"},{"startTime":1038.079,"endTime":1042.559,"body":"don't want casual we don't want part-time we want full-time but we're prepared to give you 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it will deteriorate so when I had that conversation with a wife that day"},{"startTime":1667.039,"endTime":1672.0,"body":"she said to me well what do you want to do and then that's that's more what do you want to get"},{"startTime":1672.0,"endTime":1678.559,"body":"down in life we've got the health so that's where she was coming from and I said well"},{"startTime":1678.559,"endTime":1686.559,"body":"two key things to do these swims and for me and also to um you know maybe go back to Europe again"},{"startTime":1686.559,"endTime":1694.72,"body":"as a family over there yeah so I guess you know you don't know if you're health and I don't know"},{"startTime":1694.72,"endTime":1698.88,"body":"if my health what it's going to look like obviously it's going to change over time yeah so I just"},{"startTime":1698.88,"endTime":1703.839,"body":"feel like I've got a window and that window is now yeah um and and hopefully I've got a window"},{"startTime":1703.92,"endTime":1710.319,"body":"a couple of years to get couple these things down yeah exercise is supposedly good for Parkinson's"},{"startTime":1710.319,"endTime":1718.079,"body":"and that um it yeah it helps with dopamine levels yeah and I mean I feel great when I'm swimming"},{"startTime":1718.079,"endTime":1723.759,"body":"I've got a great bunch of mates in the mocka crew that support me yeah um so all those kind of"},{"startTime":1724.24,"endTime":1729.2,"body":"things that you need in your checklist of friends and and swimming and all that kind of stuff"},{"startTime":1729.2,"endTime":1734.319,"body":"it's all there right so yeah it's a good basis to work off yeah so you sort of I guess just"},{"startTime":1734.319,"endTime":1739.92,"body":"carry on with the routine and yeah get get more stuff done right yeah so I kind of immediately"},{"startTime":1739.92,"endTime":1746.079,"body":"decided and I and I had planned for Talpo that I was going to fundraise and um and to be honest I"},{"startTime":1746.079,"endTime":1750.64,"body":"thought it was going to be a hard foundation after what had happened to me there yeah um but as"},{"startTime":1750.64,"endTime":1756.24,"body":"soon as I got diagnosed with Parkinson's it was right um yeah it's got to be Parkinson's um"},{"startTime":1756.319,"endTime":1761.2,"body":"jesus dad had it I've got it now um I can't support them and the and I don't think that"},{"startTime":1761.2,"endTime":1766.079,"body":"is well funded or organisation it looked like to be honest I don't know but um I know they're not"},{"startTime":1766.079,"endTime":1771.759,"body":"I don't believe the government funded um and the and I've got in touch with them they've sent me some"},{"startTime":1771.759,"endTime":1776.319,"body":"information packs had a chat to an educator um these seems to be a really good support network"},{"startTime":1776.319,"endTime":1780.24,"body":"for those people who need it I think it's probably more when you're more advanced with the disease"},{"startTime":1780.48,"endTime":1788.319,"body":"um in particular but like they do lots of things for people who've got Parkinson's so it was just"},{"startTime":1788.319,"endTime":1792.88,"body":"natural to say hey well guys um contact and you let you know that I've just recently died I know"},{"startTime":1792.88,"endTime":1796.48,"body":"it's what girl do for me but by the way I'm going to do something for you nice yeah"},{"startTime":1797.839,"endTime":1804.64,"body":"hello swimmers I'm Shannon Keegan U.S.-based founder of intrepid water and host of the podcast"},{"startTime":1804.72,"endTime":1810.799,"body":"stories from the water my friends at swimscape in ockland new zeland are the proud ambassadors"},{"startTime":1810.799,"endTime":1817.519,"body":"of ockland's most iconic ocean marathon swim the 20 kilometers around rangito to volcano"},{"startTime":1817.519,"endTime":1824.799,"body":"in the haraki golf this is a very achievable marathon swim that like all long distance swims will"},{"startTime":1824.799,"endTime":1830.16,"body":"live in your memories forever I don't know about you but I've got this swim on my bucket list"},{"startTime":1830.16,"endTime":1837.839,"body":"for when I get to visit the beautiful land of the kiwi jump on swimpscape.co.nz or email info"},{"startTime":1837.839,"endTime":1842.4,"body":"at swimpscape.co.nz to book your slot see you in the water"},{"startTime":1844.4,"endTime":1850.079,"body":"well nice we'll we'll be behind you supporting you thank you um so when's when's topple"},{"startTime":1850.079,"endTime":1855.519,"body":"like to topple uh don't don't have a firm date it just completed the registration"},{"startTime":1855.519,"endTime":1863.839,"body":"form today and got a witness by um a friend and um yeah we'll send that off to film next week"},{"startTime":1863.839,"endTime":1869.599,"body":"but I did say to my plan was to do it near the end of March um so hopefully it looks 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when"},{"startTime":2394.96,"endTime":2402.239,"body":"I try and play the piano that my left arm coordination hand is not quite as good so so when I was"},{"startTime":2402.239,"endTime":2406.159,"body":"talking to Jacob when we were coaching I said oh maybe it's a Parkinson's while I'm not getting"},{"startTime":2406.159,"endTime":2411.44,"body":"this left arm technique but I think that's to be honest I think that's bollocks I've made I've"},{"startTime":2411.44,"endTime":2415.679,"body":"made improvements got to work hard got to think hard and and the good it's the good thing is right"},{"startTime":2415.679,"endTime":2421.76,"body":"it's all look I don't I don't believe I had any slow down any brain function anything like that"},{"startTime":2421.76,"endTime":2428.719,"body":"even seems fine so it's more the tremors but clearly there's some coordination issues and I've"},{"startTime":2428.719,"endTime":2434.719,"body":"got a lot of extra muscle tightness in this arm which I think 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to come and do this swim so yeah um yeah and we might I think we're going to reen reenact"},{"startTime":2555.039,"endTime":2561.519,"body":"a swim that I did um I've done a couple of times which is that one that got cancelled um the swim"},{"startTime":2561.519,"endTime":2566.8,"body":"to um from my ringy to dimpool yes it's okay yes yeah um there's another thing that's special"},{"startTime":2566.8,"endTime":2571.36,"body":"whether a swim which I didn't kind of a lead to but um that was my first marathon swim and I went"},{"startTime":2571.36,"endTime":2577.199,"body":"back to work and talked to Olaf yes you probably know Olaf chopper challenge yeah and that was"},{"startTime":2577.199,"endTime":2581.44,"body":"actually the dawning of the chopper challenge because I said to Olaf I said mate I said I did the"},{"startTime":2581.44,"endTime":2585.36,"body":"swim and I said bloody crazy I said next time I do anything as crazy as that I'm doing it 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bit"},{"startTime":2620.159,"endTime":2625.599,"body":"it's nothing COVID it lost a bit of COVID didn't help and then I think it's all this"},{"startTime":2627.519,"endTime":2632.559,"body":"retap I think just just got too difficult for them I mean they had a well organized they had a"},{"startTime":2632.559,"endTime":2637.76,"body":"really well organized and Olaf had put some really good procedures in place yes the trust took"},{"startTime":2637.76,"endTime":2644.0,"body":"it over and we're running it and it's just got too hard yeah which is a shame because it was a good"},{"startTime":2644.0,"endTime":2647.76,"body":"fundraiser for them I can't remember how much money we raised but it was quite significant"},{"startTime":2647.92,"endTime":2652.88,"body":"yeah it was a great swim on the calendar and it's it's got a good following right so I'm"},{"startTime":2652.88,"endTime":2657.519,"body":"pretty sure if it came back that it would be well supported yeah pull some strings you've got"},{"startTime":2657.519,"endTime":2663.84,"body":"some West Coast things man come on I don't work there anymore but I still taught I'm having"},{"startTime":2663.84,"endTime":2669.76,"body":"not bear or taught to the guys yeah yeah so what's as you were in the banking industry for 40 years"},{"startTime":2669.76,"endTime":2677.519,"body":"yeah so my dad exactly the same thing he my dad was the the youngest of a couple of"},{"startTime":2677.519,"endTime":2683.199,"body":"a couple of kids and he didn't finish high school no he's dad was like hey that's it that I'm"},{"startTime":2683.199,"endTime":2688.88,"body":"done with paying school fees or whatever the case was and his oldest brother said hey you know"},{"startTime":2689.92,"endTime":2693.84,"body":"I'll organize your job interview for standard bank which is like the equivalent of like an A\u0026Z"},{"startTime":2693.84,"endTime":2700.159,"body":"yeah yeah started off there and literally 40 years later took took really retirement he never"},{"startTime":2700.159,"endTime":2705.519,"body":"ever went for another job interview so 40 years in the bank oh this is literally almost the"},{"startTime":2705.519,"endTime":2709.92,"body":"same it was it was funny because I'd finished I'd finished school when all I wanted to do is"},{"startTime":2709.92,"endTime":2713.599,"body":"surf and yes I was actually almost thinking about going back to school because it was a perfect"},{"startTime":2713.599,"endTime":2718.96,"body":"whole night right just a full of time and my parents kind of looked at me and said well you need"},{"startTime":2718.96,"endTime":2728.0,"body":"to go get a job man okay so then I started looking at things and I was good at accounting at school"},{"startTime":2728.0,"endTime":2732.239,"body":"and pluffer at the top of the bank and it's pretty neat yeah but I mean it was good career"},{"startTime":2732.239,"endTime":2737.76,"body":"harder and and and we expect we're good employers so yes yeah they're looked after me"},{"startTime":2737.76,"endTime":2741.84,"body":"yeah that's not a Westpac shirt right big black red t-shirt that you got now this is this is"},{"startTime":2741.84,"endTime":2748.88,"body":"Parkinson's New Zealand yeah there you go yeah cool the start of the fundraising yeah yeah well I mean"},{"startTime":2748.88,"endTime":2756.8,"body":"of just over we're all my almost up to 2,200 now yeah and probably have a big push when I get"},{"startTime":2756.8,"endTime":2761.28,"body":"nearer the swim and have a couple other little pushes during the year yeah keep you around"},{"startTime":2761.599,"endTime":2768.4,"body":"but yeah sort of got a goal I'd like to raise a minimum of 4,000 for Parkinson's if I can"},{"startTime":2768.4,"endTime":2774.559,"body":"yep so over halfway so can you share that detail with us and we'll put this at the I can share"},{"startTime":2774.559,"endTime":2778.719,"body":"the bottom of the club yeah and anybody that's interested in supporting you or supporting"},{"startTime":2778.719,"endTime":2784.079,"body":"park since can can donate some money that could be awesome yeah chasing 4,000 chasing a minimum"},{"startTime":2784.079,"endTime":2788.88,"body":"4,000 so you're almost there halfway yeah man you'll get right past that I'm assuming oh"},{"startTime":2788.88,"endTime":2795.84,"body":"it would hope so yeah yeah yeah no um I'll share this podcast with Parkinson's until it's okay"},{"startTime":2795.84,"endTime":2801.36,"body":"I'm sure they'd like to share with their members um yeah hopefully I can do something good for them"},{"startTime":2802.48,"endTime":2809.84,"body":"100% that's absolutely no problem um well what I think we should do is aim to catch up with you"},{"startTime":2810.96,"endTime":2816.32,"body":"probably on the flip side of your trip horse one and have a catch up and see how that's gone and"},{"startTime":2816.32,"endTime":2822.239,"body":"yeah um I'm hoping at that stage we'll you know you'll put your hand up for another round of"},{"startTime":2822.239,"endTime":2828.4,"body":"of fundraising for Parkinson's with the cook straight and um yeah wherever we can help in"},{"startTime":2828.4,"endTime":2835.44,"body":"terms of training swims or whatever communication give us a shot and and we'll see you in the water"},{"startTime":2835.44,"endTime":2841.76,"body":"but you've had a tough year I'm hoping it only gets easier going forward and you know kick some ass"},{"startTime":2841.76,"endTime":2846.239,"body":"yeah I mean there's been a few obstacles but I think um you just take each one and you're stride"},{"startTime":2846.239,"endTime":2850.32,"body":"and yeah you know it's not going to stop me doing what I want to do so yeah what I'll go"},{"startTime":2850.32,"endTime":2854.159,"body":"that's laugh man that's it yeah roll with the punches roll the punches and carry on"},{"startTime":2854.159,"endTime":2859.199,"body":"yeah awesome thanks for your time thanks so much really appreciate it you"},{"startTime":2859.199,"endTime":2862.96,"body":"thanks Jim giving us your story thank you do you know where I was cheers mate okay"},{"startTime":2862.96,"endTime":2868.4,"body":"hi my name is Caitlyn O'Reilly I'm the youngest person who have completed the Ocean 7 Challenge"},{"startTime":2868.48,"endTime":2873.92,"body":"earthless really cool podcast has helped you learn something new maybe it's introduced you to new"},{"startTime":2873.92,"endTime":2879.92,"body":"swimmers made you smile um then please take the opportunity to subscribe to Duncan and Jim's"},{"startTime":2879.92,"endTime":2885.039,"body":"channel I'm sure they would absolutely appreciate all your support cheers thanks Caitlyn"},{"startTime":2885.039,"endTime":2891.039,"body":"well as always you can give us feedback on our Instagram account at Clever Dicks or send us an email"},{"startTime":2891.039,"endTime":2902.159,"body":"cleverdicksinz at gmail.com we'd really appreciate hearing from you 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