{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"startTime":0.0,"endTime":14.08,"body":"Welcome to another Clevverdiks podcast. In this podcast we're talking to Ivan."},{"startTime":14.08,"endTime":21.519,"body":"Ivan is based in Auckland but grew up in Russia near Lake Baikal and moved over here"},{"startTime":21.519,"endTime":27.559,"body":"some time ago. He's done some great swims, he's from Cook's Straight and the length of"},{"startTime":27.559,"endTime":34.439,"body":"Tapa. So let's hear him tell us his story about how he managed to do those and some of the"},{"startTime":34.439,"endTime":40.6,"body":"challenges that he faced on the way. He's a great guy and it was a great chat. I think you might"},{"startTime":40.6,"endTime":46.6,"body":"enjoy this one. Well, welcome to another Clevverdiks podcast. In this podcast we're talking to Ivan."},{"startTime":46.6,"endTime":53.24,"body":"It's Ivan, right? Not Ivan. Yes, Ivan. And your surname is pronounced? Paul Insef."},{"startTime":53.32,"endTime":62.759,"body":"Paul Insef. Well, I was going to ask you to say that. Well, as we always do, I think it's just a"},{"startTime":62.759,"endTime":67.159,"body":"chance for you to give us your swim story kind of how you got into it and kind of what it means"},{"startTime":67.159,"endTime":72.12,"body":"here and then we'll take the conversation wherever it goes. So, Ivan, what's your swim story?"},{"startTime":72.12,"endTime":78.04,"body":"Awesome. Thank you Clevverdiks for first of all for inviting me over to your podcast. It's an"},{"startTime":78.04,"endTime":88.68,"body":"honor to be on your podcast and speak with you both. So my swim story began in 2018 very briefly."},{"startTime":89.48,"endTime":97.079,"body":"I was kind of just swimming because I love swimming. Since I was very young, I just wanted to swim."},{"startTime":97.079,"endTime":101.56,"body":"And all my dad taught me how to swim when I was a kid and then sort of, yeah, I would just"},{"startTime":101.56,"endTime":111.959,"body":"kept swimming. But the actual swimming began in 2019 when I started swimming and at the time,"},{"startTime":111.959,"endTime":120.519,"body":"I was living with homestay and the person who then ended up coaching me for the rest of my swimming"},{"startTime":120.519,"endTime":127.159,"body":"career. His name is Clive Lewis. He just asked me one day and he said, well, you know, I asked"},{"startTime":127.159,"endTime":132.28,"body":"one before, you know, and then I didn't know his story before and he was like, oh, let me have a"},{"startTime":132.28,"endTime":139.0,"body":"look at you. Was Clive your homestay? Yeah, I lived with Clive for four and a half years. I don't know"},{"startTime":139.0,"endTime":145.719,"body":"that. Okay, cool. He was like my, well, he's like my granddad actually because he, you know, he"},{"startTime":145.719,"endTime":151.719,"body":"took me to practice and things like that. But yes, so in one day, we went to a parallel bath and"},{"startTime":151.8,"endTime":156.919,"body":"I swam a couple of hundred meters day and I was absolutely naked. And then I said, well, you know,"},{"startTime":156.919,"endTime":161.639,"body":"we can work on it, you know, you know, that, you know, helpless, we can, you know, we can, we can"},{"startTime":161.639,"endTime":166.36,"body":"work something out. And then yeah, and I just like, start swimming with him. I started going"},{"startTime":166.36,"endTime":172.84,"body":"with him to a parallel bath and he introduced me to a few people around, a few legends that I don't"},{"startTime":172.84,"endTime":179.719,"body":"now like, you know, uh, uh, Rick Wells is one of those first people that he actually introduced me to."},{"startTime":179.719,"endTime":183.4,"body":"And he and I just started swimming and I was like, well, and then I was like, well, what,"},{"startTime":183.4,"endTime":188.759,"body":"and I'm very like, you know, setting goals and like to achieve things. Yeah, yeah. So I wanted to,"},{"startTime":189.719,"endTime":195.96,"body":"yeah, like put myself out there and then, you know, set a goal. And Clive said, yeah, I mean,"},{"startTime":195.96,"endTime":201.879,"body":"why not you try open water swim under the bridge, you know, under the bridge when like one cake."},{"startTime":201.879,"endTime":207.479,"body":"So sure. And then still I stopped training for that. So I stopped like 400 meters, I think. And I was"},{"startTime":207.479,"endTime":212.439,"body":"absolutely like exhausted after 400 meters. And then we slowly started getting ready for that about"},{"startTime":212.439,"endTime":216.759,"body":"maybe two, three months before this one. So I stopped training consistently, swimming, swimming,"},{"startTime":216.759,"endTime":223.24,"body":"swimming. And then when that, in that way, I think everything changed after that. And the way I"},{"startTime":223.24,"endTime":230.199,"body":"went into swimming a lot, a lot deeper than I thought I would. Um, so I swam one K. And it was"},{"startTime":230.199,"endTime":236.759,"body":"just amazing. I think I still remember how tired I was about how satisfied and how"},{"startTime":237.479,"endTime":244.199,"body":"whole, like I just felt amazing after the one case swimming. And then, yeah, there was from the bridge,"},{"startTime":244.199,"endTime":248.919,"body":"yeah, yeah, under the bridge. So one K. And then, yeah. And then I remember that we had to wake"},{"startTime":248.919,"endTime":255.8,"body":"up early. It was a really like, it was raining. It was like stormy conditions. I never swam an"},{"startTime":255.8,"endTime":262.839,"body":"open water before ever, especially one K. And yeah. So I swam it. And I was like, yeah, I fell"},{"startTime":262.92,"endTime":269.399,"body":"incredible. And straight after I said, well, I want to do something big. And then 2019, I think"},{"startTime":269.399,"endTime":273.639,"body":"6th of April, that's when I swam the bridge. I talked to Clare and said, well, I want to do"},{"startTime":273.639,"endTime":279.72,"body":"something big. I think he just mentioned Kukstra to say, I want to do that. That's it. And then"},{"startTime":279.72,"endTime":286.519,"body":"2019, since then, yeah, that's all I was thinking about doing Kukstra, even though I was young as well."},{"startTime":286.6,"endTime":292.759,"body":"So I was only about 19 years old. And you know, at that age, you know, everything is possible."},{"startTime":292.759,"endTime":298.68,"body":"You know, you have no barriers. You know, it's something new. You just enjoyed what you just did."},{"startTime":299.639,"endTime":302.199,"body":"And yeah. And then from there, we started."},{"startTime":303.879,"endTime":309.16,"body":"Can I just go backwards a little bit further? Because I found it quite interesting. And I'm"},{"startTime":309.16,"endTime":316.279,"body":"sure some of the listeners will as well. But you were, you were always really competitive as a sports"},{"startTime":316.36,"endTime":321.0,"body":"person. And your sport of choice prior to come to New Zealand was dancing."},{"startTime":321.0,"endTime":326.68,"body":"Yes, correct. So what type of dancing was that, you know, what level did you get to? How often"},{"startTime":326.68,"endTime":332.439,"body":"did you practice? And what's the difference between swimming and dancing, dude? Because it's"},{"startTime":332.439,"endTime":337.959,"body":"like talking cheese, yeah? Yeah. Well, it's a good question. I start dancing when I was three."},{"startTime":338.68,"endTime":343.56,"body":"So I started when I was in the kindergarten. And then my mom said, you know, well, actually,"},{"startTime":343.56,"endTime":348.68,"body":"quite funny. You asked me that because I had a choice between swimming and dancing the three"},{"startTime":348.68,"endTime":354.519,"body":"years old. And I chose dancing because at that time, the pool where in the kindergarten was shit."},{"startTime":355.16,"endTime":359.639,"body":"Like it was really like not appealing. And I didn't really like that. Or three years old."},{"startTime":359.639,"endTime":365.8,"body":"Yeah. Like what else can I think? So dancing seems a bit easier. And then, and more fun."},{"startTime":365.8,"endTime":370.759,"body":"Yeah. So fun. Yeah. So then yeah. And I just don't start dancing like whatever, you know,"},{"startTime":370.759,"endTime":375.48,"body":"there's like, you know, pop dance, I guess at that time. And then slowly, slowly,"},{"startTime":376.199,"endTime":381.48,"body":"and also at that time, the dance school where I started only established, got established."},{"startTime":381.48,"endTime":385.639,"body":"Yes. So I was basically from the beginning. And then so yeah, we start growing."},{"startTime":386.759,"endTime":391.16,"body":"At the beginning, I was like, you know, kids just doing some fun, a bit of competition, you know,"},{"startTime":391.16,"endTime":398.519,"body":"in the city and things like that. But then things got a lot more interesting after probably when I was"},{"startTime":398.519,"endTime":405.079,"body":"what middle school, you know, like 12, 13, when we started actually going to competition around"},{"startTime":405.079,"endTime":411.8,"body":"Russia. And then, you know, actually doing a lot of stuff like. And then we've been, we trained,"},{"startTime":411.8,"endTime":418.199,"body":"we trained a lot. And to the maximum, we did train five to six days a week. No hold is nothing"},{"startTime":418.199,"endTime":426.36,"body":"of that. My parents, my mom was enjoying me having a lot of dancing. But my dad was the opposite."},{"startTime":426.36,"endTime":432.439,"body":"He doesn't like me dancing at all. He was always against it, you know, because like, I mean,"},{"startTime":432.439,"endTime":437.319,"body":"from where I'm from, it's not very appealing. Like, you know, people, you know, from boys,"},{"startTime":437.319,"endTime":443.56,"body":"you need more like, you know, martial arts, many, you know, many enough. So we just mentioned that."},{"startTime":443.56,"endTime":448.36,"body":"So whereabouts do you come in? You mentioned Russia. Whereabouts in Russia? Did you grow up?"},{"startTime":448.36,"endTime":453.8,"body":"So it's part of Russia near the biggest lake in the world. It's called Lake Baikal. Yeah."},{"startTime":454.439,"endTime":459.399,"body":"So it's the biggest lake in the world. And then in the town that I'm from, it's called Yukutsk."},{"startTime":460.199,"endTime":466.199,"body":"So, yeah. So I'm from that, it's fairly close to Mongolia. It's about maybe three, four hundred"},{"startTime":466.199,"endTime":471.72,"body":"kilometers. That's quite, it's on the eastern part of Russia. It's quite far from Moscow, which is"},{"startTime":471.72,"endTime":477.319,"body":"kind of the more sort of, yeah. Yeah. Well, it, it, it could cause it's a part of Siberia in the region."},{"startTime":477.319,"endTime":481.48,"body":"Yeah. Okay. So it's, it's, it's cold and winter and it's cold and summer."},{"startTime":482.04,"endTime":487.72,"body":"So my mind immediately goes to what's that lake's water temperature? I think in winter, in summer,"},{"startTime":487.72,"endTime":495.079,"body":"in winter it froze completely up to three meters, ice, ice depth. And then in summer, I think it goes"},{"startTime":495.079,"endTime":501.079,"body":"up to nine degrees, eight nine degrees maximum. If it's a really good summer, if it's the"},{"startTime":501.079,"endTime":505.8,"body":"summer, it's like five degrees. But it's a single digit, sometimes double digits, but normally"},{"startTime":505.8,"endTime":511.079,"body":"it's single digits. So, so out of the question to India, Americans from English conditions,"},{"startTime":511.079,"endTime":518.519,"body":"are, yeah, but maybe, uh, yeah, it's, uh, it's different. Yeah, it's, uh, it's a quite wide lake"},{"startTime":518.519,"endTime":523.08,"body":"as well. So the, I think the, the shore, the nearest part is 90k."},{"startTime":526.2,"endTime":532.2,"body":"Yeah. And it's deep and it's very deep and because of that, it's, it's cold. So the water can warm"},{"startTime":533.0,"endTime":538.6,"body":"as quickly because any storm, the water gets, you know, messed up and it's it. And then it goes"},{"startTime":538.6,"endTime":544.84,"body":"back to whatever level. So I understand that in winter, way back more than a hundred years ago,"},{"startTime":545.48,"endTime":551.72,"body":"they would actually lay railway lines and put trains down the lake in the middle of winter. And"},{"startTime":551.72,"endTime":557.08,"body":"that's one of the ways that people would get to the eastern part of Russia. It was that a,"},{"startTime":557.879,"endTime":563.0,"body":"a story that I heard or would you think that might be true? Um, not sure about the train,"},{"startTime":564.039,"endTime":570.759,"body":"but definitely trucks. Oh yeah. Well, a hundred years, no trucks, but yeah, any, any, you know,"},{"startTime":570.759,"endTime":576.279,"body":"like horses, horses, wagons, things like that. Yeah. Yeah, trains probably not because it's still"},{"startTime":577.72,"endTime":583.24,"body":"quite dangerous. Yeah. Because, you know, yeah, it's a heavy resource. How much, how much white"},{"startTime":583.24,"endTime":591.799,"body":"debt can take a lot? Yeah. Yeah. Well, nowadays, some part people go across on a trucks, heavy trucks,"},{"startTime":592.44,"endTime":596.84,"body":"like, you know, food trucks or something like that. I wouldn't want to do that. Okay, so"},{"startTime":597.559,"endTime":603.96,"body":"some of the bridge cooks straight, yeah, we come. Yeah. But before that, just to finishing up on"},{"startTime":603.96,"endTime":612.6,"body":"that prior story to swimming, is that, um, when I was around 15, that's when we were training"},{"startTime":612.6,"endTime":618.279,"body":"really hard. We didn't have any days off. Yes. We just trained every day. We competed a lot."},{"startTime":619.879,"endTime":627.0,"body":"And then yes, I think the biggest similarity between swimming and dancing as consistency,"},{"startTime":627.0,"endTime":635.0,"body":"being consistent in training and you'll be able to practice daily. So you don't, you're only"},{"startTime":635.0,"endTime":640.6,"body":"getting better. You can't get any worse. Yeah, because you just, yeah, you just, it doesn't matter"},{"startTime":640.6,"endTime":646.2,"body":"good a bad day. You're still doing it. And then that's where winners and losers are actually,"},{"startTime":646.84,"endTime":651.48,"body":"you know, different. Heads down, practice, put the hours in and you'll see the results, yeah."},{"startTime":652.12,"endTime":658.519,"body":"Yeah. So there's no any magical form, formula way. You can just show up and just do it because,"},{"startTime":659.24,"endTime":664.519,"body":"because you do, you can't. Yeah. There's still behind. There's a lot of work behind."},{"startTime":664.6,"endTime":671.639,"body":"Dude, I would, I'd like to say that I can relate, but I can't because I can't dance to save my laugh"},{"startTime":671.639,"endTime":678.44,"body":"literally. Yeah, but it's about putting effort into what you want to do. Whatever it is, I'm"},{"startTime":678.44,"endTime":685.159,"body":"certain. Yeah. Cool. Okay. And then yeah, based to back, back to, yeah, from the bridge,"},{"startTime":686.039,"endTime":690.36,"body":"yeah. And then I just start training, you know, Clive, because I was living with Clive, Clive will"},{"startTime":690.36,"endTime":699.159,"body":"take me to swimming pools, like Olympic pool and tapet bath. And we would just, and I would just"},{"startTime":699.159,"endTime":703.32,"body":"practice because I didn't have a card, didn't have anything. Some days I would just walk to the pool"},{"startTime":703.32,"endTime":709.879,"body":"and I would just swim, swim, swim, swim. I swam probably in 2019, I swam a year and a half by"},{"startTime":709.879,"endTime":714.12,"body":"myself. I couldn't join any clubs because I was too slow. I couldn't do anything. So I just"},{"startTime":714.12,"endTime":718.279,"body":"swam by myself. And then Clive would write a session to me every time I go to the pool. Yeah."},{"startTime":718.279,"endTime":723.24,"body":"And then like I'll probably swam like probably four times a week. So he'll give me a session"},{"startTime":723.24,"endTime":728.36,"body":"every time. And then I will always come back and say, well, this is what I've done. This is the"},{"startTime":728.36,"endTime":733.32,"body":"times I swam. And then sometimes he will be happy. Sometimes he will be angry because, you know,"},{"startTime":733.879,"endTime":739.24,"body":"well, I, you know, I know he knows how much effort I can put in. And then sometimes when I come"},{"startTime":739.24,"endTime":747.08,"body":"back with some, some information or excuse here, well, he can definitely, you know, sort of see the"},{"startTime":747.08,"endTime":756.759,"body":"bullshit that I tell him. So, yeah. So that was, yeah. But I also wasn't really trying to hide any"},{"startTime":756.759,"endTime":761.32,"body":"anything that, you know, I didn't do it. I was really almost like, well, this is what I've done."},{"startTime":761.32,"endTime":767.48,"body":"That's it. Like, that's me. So I didn't try to, you know, sort of hide the lie. Yes."},{"startTime":768.519,"endTime":773.48,"body":"And then I just been swimming and then I get into more open water swimming, more and more,"},{"startTime":773.48,"endTime":779.24,"body":"try to get it myself into any races that I can find. Yeah, because you used to do, obviously,"},{"startTime":779.24,"endTime":785.399,"body":"the ocean swim series. Yeah, I did. You've done a couple of those three K, like three Ks,"},{"startTime":785.399,"endTime":790.679,"body":"four Ks races. And you would always come out like top 10, top five age group. Always get a"},{"startTime":790.679,"endTime":796.2,"body":"medal. Yep. Bronze, bronze normally bronze. Yeah. Yeah. But you say that you are slow. Now,"},{"startTime":796.2,"endTime":801.0,"body":"now all of a sudden, you, is that just with the training you've got from Clive? You're, you,"},{"startTime":801.0,"endTime":806.36,"body":"there's a lot of squads here to be at those kind of speeds. You could have joined many squads,"},{"startTime":806.36,"endTime":812.44,"body":"right? Yeah. I think a few things was that I didn't learn to swim when I was 19. Like, I already"},{"startTime":812.44,"endTime":817.48,"body":"knew how to swim. And I would, I didn't, like I didn't say that my swimming was bad. It was just"},{"startTime":817.48,"endTime":824.2,"body":"not good enough. Yeah. Well, in Clive's eyes. Let's put it that way. Yeah. Yeah. But I also, I also"},{"startTime":824.2,"endTime":830.2,"body":"wanted to improve a lot. And then I don't hear it. So I just wanted to improve. And then I was"},{"startTime":830.2,"endTime":835.879,"body":"just taking everything on board wherever Clive would say to me, you know, about, you know, technique"},{"startTime":835.879,"endTime":843.159,"body":"and technique, stamina, you know, consistency, again, consistency, being consistent. And he"},{"startTime":843.159,"endTime":849.08,"body":"will always talk to me about, he'll give me a lot of examples of different athletes in different,"},{"startTime":849.08,"endTime":856.12,"body":"you know, different, from different sport. Like, you know, you can be boxing, can be gymnastics,"},{"startTime":856.2,"endTime":862.2,"body":"anything. You just tell me those stories and I'll get like inspired, motivated, and also,"},{"startTime":863.08,"endTime":869.0,"body":"yeah, and just sort of, you know, it's a really good, you know, example. He didn't push me to do"},{"startTime":869.0,"endTime":876.039,"body":"things. I wanted to do it. And he just let me imagine, bring that imagination, even in broader."},{"startTime":876.519,"endTime":885.48,"body":"Yeah. Pushed in a lot direction. So why, why did you choose cook? Because that's the hardest"},{"startTime":885.48,"endTime":892.44,"body":"of the music to become art. That's a good question. I think I was just young and I didn't really"},{"startTime":892.44,"endTime":899.96,"body":"understand what I was, what I was really putting myself into. I just didn't know. I just, I think"},{"startTime":899.96,"endTime":909.799,"body":"it's a lack of knowledge and a lot of confidence and ability to do anything I want to. And that's,"},{"startTime":909.799,"endTime":915.24,"body":"I think that's where I came up to with a quick straight. Yeah. And yeah, that's something that"},{"startTime":915.24,"endTime":920.6,"body":"kind of told me about it. And I was like, well, cool. I mean, yeah. Yeah. Because you see, like,"},{"startTime":920.6,"endTime":927.72,"body":"I'm a competitive person and I like to achieve things and I didn't find it hard."},{"startTime":928.679,"endTime":939.96,"body":"So how, how long after that conversation at the, from the bridge, did you physically book your"},{"startTime":939.96,"endTime":948.12,"body":"swim for the cook's right? Like, what, what year did you put in for? So probably it's either 2020"},{"startTime":948.12,"endTime":957.24,"body":"or 2021, because another person comes up into conversation. It's a genre. We swim beach to"},{"startTime":957.24,"endTime":963.72,"body":"the Bay. What is that? That Takapuna in a narrow neck, narrow neck to Takapuna. We swim that. And,"},{"startTime":964.519,"endTime":968.919,"body":"and yeah, Clive was there like, well, you know, kind of because I've been talking about it with"},{"startTime":968.919,"endTime":973.24,"body":"everyone. I wanted to cook straight and everything. I wanted to buzz and everything. And then,"},{"startTime":974.2,"endTime":979.559,"body":"yeah. And then John or John or King to me and asked, you know, I've heard you want to do cook"},{"startTime":979.559,"endTime":984.679,"body":"straight and everything. And at the time, I didn't know who I'm talking to, just, just a guy, you know,"},{"startTime":984.679,"endTime":990.919,"body":"but, you know, now, obviously like, well, you know, he approached me and then he recommended me to book"},{"startTime":990.919,"endTime":1000.919,"body":"a slot two years in advance, which I guess would be, so I booked it for 2023, summer, which was what,"},{"startTime":1000.919,"endTime":1006.519,"body":"yeah, 2021, yeah, 2020, yeah, two years, two years, yeah, because I was still like, you know,"},{"startTime":1006.519,"endTime":1012.44,"body":"swimming, but nothing, nothing like important. Like I didn't, we still were discussing a lot"},{"startTime":1012.6,"endTime":1017.96,"body":"and talking a lot about the straight and like, and Clive was preparing me for what about to come,"},{"startTime":1018.519,"endTime":1025.96,"body":"because he was coaching me for the swim. And then, but he knew, and I didn't understand that,"},{"startTime":1025.96,"endTime":1035.079,"body":"I was just that selfish ego with a big ego boy that just, whatever you say, old man. I just,"},{"startTime":1035.079,"endTime":1041.4,"body":"I just, I just want to, I just want to do it, you know, is it all to imagine that if one isn't."},{"startTime":1042.44,"endTime":1049.48,"body":"Yeah, I don't know, he's talking about it. Okay, cool. So when, when did, and that's all,"},{"startTime":1049.48,"endTime":1056.759,"body":"that the day that I spoke to Jonah, we're basically within the next like week, we, yeah,"},{"startTime":1056.759,"endTime":1061.799,"body":"basically booked the slot, I paid deposit, and that's it. Like it was basically that. But at that time,"},{"startTime":1061.799,"endTime":1068.92,"body":"I didn't have any experience. At that time, we were doing it with Phil, Phil Rush, legends of"},{"startTime":1069.88,"endTime":1078.2,"body":"and, yeah, he said, what experience do you have? I have nothing. There was nothing, at that time,"},{"startTime":1078.2,"endTime":1084.839,"body":"there was nothing more than 5K. I put a aura in the wetsuit, in the wetsuit. Yeah."},{"startTime":1084.839,"endTime":1090.039,"body":"So you said, but I'm, but I'm Russian and I've been dancing for 15 years. I'll be okay. Yeah,"},{"startTime":1090.039,"endTime":1095.96,"body":"I said, well, you know, and I miss kidney boys just standing there. Yes, you put on a lot of"},{"startTime":1095.96,"endTime":1101.0,"body":"bulk since those days, huh? Yeah, I was, how many kilos more or less from then to now, dude,"},{"startTime":1101.96,"endTime":1111.0,"body":"20, yeah, 20, 20, maybe a bit more now, 25, 25, 25, that's a lot to you. Yeah, but I was also,"},{"startTime":1111.0,"endTime":1117.799,"body":"you know, 20, 21, I struggled for two years to put on weight, but then over all of a sudden,"},{"startTime":1117.799,"endTime":1123.72,"body":"I just, then you got the hang of it. Then I'm boom, boom. You know what happened after I started"},{"startTime":1123.72,"endTime":1128.119,"body":"swimming a little and open water without a wetsuit. That's where the change happened. I think,"},{"startTime":1129.559,"endTime":1133.559,"body":"naturally, my body said, well, if you're not going to put a weight, we're going to die. And then"},{"startTime":1133.559,"endTime":1144.44,"body":"so I naturally start putting a weight without any effort, any dieting. No, up to this day,"},{"startTime":1144.44,"endTime":1149.319,"body":"I eat exactly the same. Like I don't have any specific diet. I just eat like normal. Yeah,"},{"startTime":1149.319,"endTime":1153.72,"body":"you know, just, this is just, I reckon there's something in there. So your body goes into the ocean"},{"startTime":1153.72,"endTime":1159.319,"body":"and it's cold and it knows it needs to survive and it changes. Yeah, yeah. That's my excuse I'm"},{"startTime":1159.319,"endTime":1169.72,"body":"going with it. Yeah, man, it's good too. No, I can't, no, I can't lose any weight. It's only going"},{"startTime":1169.72,"endTime":1173.319,"body":"up. It's okay. You go to just do like one ocean swim every year and you can say, hey, I'm a"},{"startTime":1173.319,"endTime":1178.92,"body":"marathon swimmer and that's why my shape is the way. Yeah, actually, that's true. No, no, no,"},{"startTime":1178.92,"endTime":1184.759,"body":"this is really well. I don't, I don't have any apps. You know why? Because I'm a marathon swimmer."},{"startTime":1184.759,"endTime":1189.4,"body":"Yeah, we need to have, I'm training. Yeah, I don't have a six pack. I've got it here. Right?"},{"startTime":1191.48,"endTime":1198.359,"body":"Hello, swimmers. I'm Shannon Keegan, US-based founder of Intrepid Water and host of the podcast"},{"startTime":1198.359,"endTime":1204.2,"body":"Stories from the Water. My friends at Swimscape in Auckland, New Zealand are the proud ambassadors"},{"startTime":1204.2,"endTime":1210.839,"body":"of Auckland's most iconic ocean marathon swim. The 20 kilometers around Rangitoto, volcano"},{"startTime":1210.839,"endTime":1217.88,"body":"in the Haraki Gulf. This is a very achievable marathon swim that like all long distance swims"},{"startTime":1217.88,"endTime":1223.079,"body":"will live in your memories forever. I don't know about you, but I've got this swim on my bucket list"},{"startTime":1223.079,"endTime":1230.519,"body":"for when I get to visit the beautiful land of the Kiwi. Jump on swimscape.co.nz or email info"},{"startTime":1230.519,"endTime":1239.559,"body":"at swimscape.co.nz to book your slot. See you in the water. Okay, so in that journey,"},{"startTime":1239.559,"endTime":1248.68,"body":"you through your ego and your motivation, you also put up your hand for some ice rink,"},{"startTime":1249.319,"endTime":1256.519,"body":"and you kicked a little bit of ice in the Alex Swing pool. Yeah, yeah. So we're here, 2023. 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Like I wasn't allowed. Yes. Yeah. And then it's still not the"},{"startTime":2121.639,"endTime":2127.639,"body":"not the cleverest thing in the world. It's not. But I thought, well, if not now, that never."},{"startTime":2127.719,"endTime":2132.92,"body":"That's why we've got him on the clever Dick's podcast. Yes. Yeah. That's why we're responsible."},{"startTime":2132.92,"endTime":2138.519,"body":"Yeah. So I was, yeah, I was just like, well, I was very positive. You know, I was just keep"},{"startTime":2138.519,"endTime":2145.159,"body":"myself positive. Did you tell full about this after you had finished the things that the second"},{"startTime":2145.159,"endTime":2151.559,"body":"attempt I didn't do with full? Ah, yeah. That's correct. Yeah. So the second attempt I did with"},{"startTime":2151.559,"endTime":2157.96,"body":"another person, his name was Grant Orkut. Yes. Ketabetic. Ketabetic. 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So 11 hours. Yeah. Yeah. All in the"},{"startTime":2390.84,"endTime":2395.96,"body":"daylight, all in daylight. Job done. Yeah. So yeah. Straight. What do you think about? What is one?"},{"startTime":2398.119,"endTime":2404.599,"body":"Let's put it that way. That swim was later on, became too important and too personal."},{"startTime":2405.32,"endTime":2412.36,"body":"So I was thinking about someone, pretty much the whole swim and it's it. That's all I've been"},{"startTime":2412.36,"endTime":2421.48,"body":"thinking about and that my swims normally have a name or that I, how you say it, that I, you know,"},{"startTime":2421.48,"endTime":2429.0,"body":"sort of swim for someone or I name my swims under. Do you want to mention that someone or"},{"startTime":2429.0,"endTime":2436.28,"body":"not? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Do you think in Russian or in English? I in both. Okay. Yeah. In both."},{"startTime":2436.28,"endTime":2440.36,"body":"Yeah. Okay. I still need to learn some Russian three ways from you, you know. Let me just"},{"startTime":2440.36,"endTime":2445.32,"body":"make some notes here. So that sounds like an amazing swim. So you finished Cook's straight"},{"startTime":2445.32,"endTime":2449.559,"body":"and now you can put your feet up and just chill out for a bit. Is that hard works with you?"},{"startTime":2451.079,"endTime":2461.32,"body":"Well, he does that before this swim. That would have been the case only if I didn't plan"},{"startTime":2461.32,"endTime":2467.559,"body":"another swim after Cook's straight. No one even knew about it. Only I knew about it and how"},{"startTime":2467.559,"endTime":2473.96,"body":"I came up with the second swim is me and John have been in the sauna and I talked to John and"},{"startTime":2473.96,"endTime":2479.96,"body":"I say, what do you think if I can do two swims one after another? 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And then when I contacted Duncan again,"},{"startTime":2553.639,"endTime":2557.88,"body":"and then and it's good that you need to start speaking to different people, leave John and"},{"startTime":2557.88,"endTime":2565.0,"body":"Duncan and you see the thing is that there's two things. One thing is that you knew me before"},{"startTime":2565.0,"endTime":2572.039,"body":"my swims. Yes. And then it helped a lot to talk to you about what I want to do because I knew"},{"startTime":2572.119,"endTime":2578.119,"body":"you as well as a person, we have a bit of history. Yeah, we had a couple of really honest"},{"startTime":2578.119,"endTime":2584.039,"body":"chats around what we were going to do and why and how. Yeah. And then yeah, and then Lake Tahoe"},{"startTime":2584.039,"endTime":2592.84,"body":"Paul came into conversation in no one, I didn't talk to Duncan until I did the Cook's straight."},{"startTime":2592.84,"endTime":2597.559,"body":"So that was the point, make sure that Cook's straight is done. So focus on one thing at a time,"},{"startTime":2597.559,"endTime":2603.239,"body":"there was the plan and then yeah, and then was if I complete the Cook's straights, I can do"},{"startTime":2603.239,"endTime":2607.719,"body":"Tahoe Paul because that's the only way to do it. Otherwise, I wouldn't. And yeah, so I did Cook's"},{"startTime":2607.719,"endTime":2612.84,"body":"straight and then what a week later after Cook's straight, I, well, met with you and we discussed,"},{"startTime":2612.84,"endTime":2618.28,"body":"I'll say, well, this won't can do. It's too possible and I felt positive about it and certain"},{"startTime":2619.0,"endTime":2627.159,"body":"and then what six, seven weeks later, I went back into all the swimming and that's where Lake Tahoe Paul"},{"startTime":2627.159,"endTime":2633.8,"body":"and that the phrase about that I wanted to mention is that I did Tahoe Paul, I didn't have any reasons,"},{"startTime":2634.599,"endTime":2640.84,"body":"I didn't have any motivation, I just went because I love swimming. Yes, I swim because that's all"},{"startTime":2640.84,"endTime":2646.44,"body":"I was telling myself, I love swimming, that's it. I don't need to have a reason, I don't have to have"},{"startTime":2646.44,"endTime":2651.96,"body":"anything. 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She already started coming with me to smaller bands and then slowly,"},{"startTime":2835.159,"endTime":2839.559,"body":"those small events, she stopped coming and then she started coming to the big ones and then"},{"startTime":2839.559,"endTime":2845.4,"body":"so all the small events now, they just like, how far you're swimming? 3K? Don't even bother me."},{"startTime":2846.36,"endTime":2854.28,"body":"Whatever you do. Funny when you're serious. Yeah. Only the big ones. Only only big big"},{"startTime":2854.28,"endTime":2861.8,"body":"events. She's very special, dude. You need to look after her. Absolutely. So one of the funny"},{"startTime":2861.8,"endTime":2868.28,"body":"moments of that swim that springs to mind, you mentioned Brian Gray a couple of times. 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But for this kind of things, you can't, it just, that's just you, that's"},{"startTime":3102.84,"endTime":3109.32,"body":"who you are, that you just have to deal with it in the moment, being flexible, able to take shit"},{"startTime":3109.32,"endTime":3114.039,"body":"into your, into, up to your name and things like that, but yeah. Yes, because, because"},{"startTime":3114.519,"endTime":3120.519,"body":"it's grumpy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it's good to, you know, see both sides of the store. Okay. So, I"},{"startTime":3120.519,"endTime":3126.679,"body":"know you don't like sort of committing publicly to things, but do you think you're going to be doing"},{"startTime":3126.679,"endTime":3131.48,"body":"more kind of big swims or what does swimming look like in the future? I'm not asking you to say"},{"startTime":3131.48,"endTime":3137.4,"body":"what you're going to do. But yeah, you think you're going to do a couple of big ones? Yeah, I have,"},{"startTime":3137.4,"endTime":3147.079,"body":"like some big plans to, in the future. So, yeah, like, you know, maybe attempt to do some,"},{"startTime":3147.079,"endTime":3152.599,"body":"some of the swims from Ocean 7. Oh yeah. That can be, you know, one of the, you know, of the"},{"startTime":3152.599,"endTime":3159.48,"body":"path that I can take. I might do swims that never been done before. So, design my own swims,"},{"startTime":3160.119,"endTime":3166.28,"body":"design something that I can do as a first person and then something really hard."},{"startTime":3168.199,"endTime":3173.48,"body":"Yeah. But a lot of people have been asking me after I finished Tarpal is that, well, you know, that's"},{"startTime":3173.48,"endTime":3180.519,"body":"sort of a logical that next room is going to be for the straight. You know, and I said, yeah,"},{"startTime":3180.519,"endTime":3186.039,"body":"I mean, it is logical. It is logical to finish the museum triple crown. 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So, you know, you know,"},{"startTime":3233.159,"endTime":3239.719,"body":"if I didn't have to sort anything else, and then I would just swim, I would just swim every"},{"startTime":3239.719,"endTime":3244.679,"body":"time. That's all I would do. I would just train, swim, and I'll just travel around the world,"},{"startTime":3244.679,"endTime":3247.32,"body":"do big, small swims, whatever, meet a lot of people."},{"startTime":3247.96,"endTime":3251.8,"body":"Saturday night, Lotto is worth 23 million, so buy a ticket, Brad."},{"startTime":3253.239,"endTime":3260.039,"body":"Is your dad more happier with you now that you've become a man and you're doing a manly sport now?"},{"startTime":3260.76,"endTime":3267.4,"body":"No. Well, the thing is that I think he didn't, he always supported me. You know, even if he"},{"startTime":3267.4,"endTime":3272.519,"body":"didn't like it, he still supported. Yes. And then family always support me. Whatever I do,"},{"startTime":3273.48,"endTime":3279.559,"body":"doesn't matter, you know, you know, what it is I do. You know, they will always support me. And then,"},{"startTime":3279.559,"endTime":3286.76,"body":"you know, and because, you know, I do something that not a lot of people do in the world, you know,"},{"startTime":3286.76,"endTime":3293.719,"body":"it could straight swim, maybe less than 250 people. And then it's like nothing compared to the"},{"startTime":3293.719,"endTime":3301.559,"body":"whole population of this world. 8 billion people. Yeah. It's like, you know, 0.001 percent of people"},{"startTime":3301.559,"endTime":3306.599,"body":"for swim books straight. That's nothing. Even even fewer Russians took. Yeah. There you go,"},{"startTime":3306.599,"endTime":3313.32,"body":"right? Yeah. 10 people from Cooksland. And then 10 people, right? You are an absolute legend."},{"startTime":3313.32,"endTime":3321.4,"body":"When I met you, you, you were 19 and you were 20 kilograms less. You're still as much fun to"},{"startTime":3321.4,"endTime":3329.079,"body":"be around and your energy is amazing. And I'm looking forward to watching you swim over the next 10,"},{"startTime":3329.079,"endTime":3334.599,"body":"20, 30 years later. And hopefully we can be involved with some of your adventures. And you're"},{"startTime":3334.599,"endTime":3340.28,"body":"a legend. And it's been a pleasure joining you on your journey, bro. Awesome. Thank you, Danco."},{"startTime":3340.28,"endTime":3345.559,"body":"Thank you, Jim. It's been a pleasure. Hi, my name is Caitlyn O'Reilly. I'm the youngest person"},{"startTime":3345.559,"endTime":3350.84,"body":"who have completed the Ocean 7 Challenge. And for this really cool podcast has helped you learn"},{"startTime":3350.84,"endTime":3357.0,"body":"something new. Maybe it's introduced you to new swimmers, made you smile. Then please take the"},{"startTime":3357.0,"endTime":3361.88,"body":"opportunity to subscribe to Duncan and Jim's channel. I'm sure they would absolutely appreciate"},{"startTime":3361.88,"endTime":3367.48,"body":"all your support. Cheers. Thanks, Caitlyn. Well, as always, you can give us feedback on our Instagram"},{"startTime":3367.48,"endTime":3375.48,"body":"account at ClevverDix or send us an email ClevverDixinz at gmail.com. We'd really appreciate hearing"},{"startTime":3375.48,"endTime":3378.519,"body":"from you and cheers. We'll speak to you again soon."}]}