{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"startTime":0.0,"endTime":21.059,"body":"Welcome to another Clever Dicks podcast. In this podcast we're talking to Grainne Moss. Grainne"},{"startTime":21.059,"endTime":26.399,"body":"describes herself as an Irish Kiwi. She grew up in Ireland and started a swimming"},{"startTime":26.399,"endTime":32.24,"body":"there but spent some time in Auckland and now lives in Wellington. She was a"},{"startTime":32.24,"endTime":37.079,"body":"competitive swimmer in her youth. Took some time out for a career and family"},{"startTime":37.079,"endTime":41.439,"body":"and now I was getting back into doing some swimming so we had to talk about some"},{"startTime":41.439,"endTime":45.359,"body":"of the swims that she's done and some of the swims that she's looking forward to"},{"startTime":45.359,"endTime":50.46,"body":"doing. It was a really great chat. This was a great one. Okay well welcome to another"},{"startTime":50.46,"endTime":55.32,"body":"Clever Dicks podcast. In this podcast we're talking to Grainne. Have I pronounced your"},{"startTime":55.32,"endTime":61.079,"body":"name correctly? Yeah, if you're pretty close it's Grainne. Grainne Moss. So well done."},{"startTime":61.079,"endTime":68.799,"body":"That's closer than a lot of other people have. Okay, thank you. So we normally just start"},{"startTime":68.799,"endTime":73.26,"body":"off our podcast by giving you an opportunity to tell everybody about your swim"},{"startTime":73.26,"endTime":79.04,"body":"story, what got you into it, what keeps you into it. If you're gone and then we"},{"startTime":79.04,"endTime":85.879,"body":"can dive down into some of your stories. Sure. I started Open Water Swimming a"},{"startTime":85.879,"endTime":93.079,"body":"really really long time ago. So this introduction might take a while. So I was"},{"startTime":93.079,"endTime":99.159,"body":"a competitive pool swimmer but also lived by the sea when I was young. My local"},{"startTime":99.159,"endTime":104.04,"body":"swimming club went down every Thursday night to the open air swimming pool called"},{"startTime":104.04,"endTime":110.12,"body":"Picky Pool which was open air unheated and in the north of Ireland. So it was"},{"startTime":110.12,"endTime":115.079,"body":"pretty pretty chilly even in the summer. But you know what it was like when you're a"},{"startTime":115.079,"endTime":119.079,"body":"kid you just kind of built up proof and you're running around in the in the"},{"startTime":119.079,"endTime":123.319,"body":"sea and you're jumping off diving boards there and you're swimming with your"},{"startTime":123.319,"endTime":127.519,"body":"mates and we were doing things like playing water polo and you know in this"},{"startTime":127.519,"endTime":132.719,"body":"open air pool. And then there was a lot of fun swims. So we just had a little"},{"startTime":132.719,"endTime":138.8,"body":"small races and then it turned out I was quite good at them. So this one's got"},{"startTime":138.8,"endTime":146.68,"body":"longer as I got kind of older and taller. And then in 1986 actually the new"},{"startTime":146.68,"endTime":152.12,"body":"season. So the Irish selectors decided to select me for the first ever Open Water"},{"startTime":152.12,"endTime":158.52,"body":"World Swimming Championships which were in 1986 in Lake Windry in the UK. And"},{"startTime":159.039,"endTime":165.199,"body":"the reason I got selected was because they kind of saw that I had promise. So a"},{"startTime":165.199,"endTime":171.84,"body":"team of four of us went over with family and coaches and it was actually quite"},{"startTime":171.84,"endTime":176.759,"body":"fun because you know the Irish team went over and kind of borrowed tracks so it's"},{"startTime":176.759,"endTime":180.039,"body":"borrowed gear with their moms and their daughters and their boyfriends and their"},{"startTime":180.039,"endTime":185.599,"body":"girlfriends and there was 34 other countries there including the Americans and"},{"startTime":185.719,"endTime":192.0,"body":"the Americans had a head coach and every swimmer had a coach and they had all the"},{"startTime":192.0,"endTime":196.919,"body":"gear and they were staying in five-star hotel and their car put was thicker than"},{"startTime":196.919,"endTime":204.12,"body":"the bedroll that I was sleeping on. So it was a real kind of habs and have knots and"},{"startTime":204.12,"endTime":208.199,"body":"we had to fill out this CV and you know all these people are filling out this"},{"startTime":208.199,"endTime":211.96,"body":"swimming CV. It has all these big on swims and all that and actually one of the"},{"startTime":211.96,"endTime":215.039,"body":"Irish guys said to me oh groney I'm gonna put down I did the Bermuda"},{"startTime":215.039,"endTime":222.08,"body":"triangle marathon swim because nobody's ever going to know that I didn't do it because"},{"startTime":222.08,"endTime":225.639,"body":"we were all like seriously intimidated and like we were getting drug tested and"},{"startTime":225.639,"endTime":229.639,"body":"like you know I was 16 at the time I wouldn't have known a drug if it hit me in"},{"startTime":229.639,"endTime":232.68,"body":"the face. You know I mean I wouldn't have known how to get one you know so"},{"startTime":232.68,"endTime":237.12,"body":"obviously you know past that all the flying colors but it was you know it was"},{"startTime":237.12,"endTime":243.12,"body":"it was pretty felt pretty intense but anyway I swam really really well and I"},{"startTime":243.12,"endTime":248.159,"body":"actually finished in the top 10 and and I was the youngest competitor and then"},{"startTime":248.159,"endTime":251.0,"body":"all the other swimmers and like some of the greats were there people like"},{"startTime":251.0,"endTime":255.439,"body":"Allison Streeder and said to me look you know if you if you can do this which"},{"startTime":255.439,"endTime":261.92,"body":"was 25 kilometers and Nick Windmer you can swim the English Channel. So I you"},{"startTime":261.92,"endTime":267.279,"body":"know started to look to see if I could swim the English Channel and look at"},{"startTime":267.279,"endTime":271.319,"body":"that time like nobody was doing it more or so. I mean it was I couldn't find"},{"startTime":271.319,"endTime":275.72,"body":"people to train with. You know there wasn't you didn't have the internet back"},{"startTime":275.72,"endTime":280.68,"body":"there and you know so it just shows my old arm but so you couldn't like kind of"},{"startTime":280.68,"endTime":284.92,"body":"hop on to a group and find even either but the English Channel so I had to do"},{"startTime":284.92,"endTime":289.6,"body":"things like write letters and make fun calls after six o'clock when it was"},{"startTime":289.6,"endTime":294.6,"body":"cheap and I actually know you know what takes you a couple of minutes or a day"},{"startTime":294.6,"endTime":298.319,"body":"or two terms of each night people took your weeks then you know you had to"},{"startTime":298.319,"endTime":302.279,"body":"write a letter then you had to wait until people put back to you and but"},{"startTime":302.279,"endTime":307.439,"body":"anyway I ended up getting a pilot and then swim in the English Channel and"},{"startTime":307.439,"endTime":314.0,"body":"then you know I just kept swimming lots of Irish Championships so we had"},{"startTime":314.0,"endTime":317.759,"body":"an Irish Open Water Swimming Championships which you know I very"},{"startTime":317.759,"endTime":322.079,"body":"probably say that I won seven times however I have to say my brother won 10"},{"startTime":322.079,"endTime":328.56,"body":"times so he reminds me that he's the real Poseidon in the family. He also swam"},{"startTime":328.56,"endTime":333.24,"body":"the English Channel a few years after me and did the fastest mail time for the"},{"startTime":333.24,"endTime":339.04,"body":"year so you know so he often talks about my very very slow paddle across the"},{"startTime":339.04,"endTime":342.879,"body":"English Channel compared to him which it wasn't actually that slow so I swam"},{"startTime":342.879,"endTime":348.199,"body":"the English Channel just under 12 hours but he swam in just about nine so so"},{"startTime":348.199,"endTime":352.72,"body":"yeah so yeah I mean the Open Water Swimming was a bit of a family affair my"},{"startTime":352.72,"endTime":357.319,"body":"mum and dad have been actively involved so I think for 27 years they hailed"},{"startTime":357.319,"endTime":362.72,"body":"nearly every row possible in the Irish Film Business Swimming Association so"},{"startTime":362.72,"endTime":367.8,"body":"either president or secretary or treasurer and actually they kept"},{"startTime":367.8,"endTime":371.48,"body":"involved in Open Water Swimming in Ireland even when I had immigrated to New"},{"startTime":371.48,"endTime":375.139,"body":"Zealand and then when I immigrated to New Zealand I thought better to do the"},{"startTime":375.139,"endTime":382.1,"body":"Cook Street so did that in 2001 but then in 2004 I started to have kids and"},{"startTime":382.1,"endTime":386.259,"body":"just started to swim like just the kind of tackling the beach series or you know"},{"startTime":386.259,"endTime":389.339,"body":"small swims around I loved to rode a rarer for a while in the blue lake but I"},{"startTime":389.339,"endTime":395.66,"body":"wasn't doing it really really big and then kids got a bit older and you know"},{"startTime":395.66,"endTime":399.22,"body":"career-wise I've had some quite big jobs it's been hard to fit all the swimming"},{"startTime":399.22,"endTime":405.019,"body":"in but in 2001 I thought oh sorry 2001 I thought it's time to get 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know"},{"startTime":447.54,"endTime":450.939,"body":"where you are in the water it's almost like people can follow you along it's"},{"startTime":450.939,"endTime":455.06,"body":"almost the spectator sport now whereas back in 1987 I mean my"},{"startTime":455.06,"endTime":458.579,"body":"per mother and aunt were marching straight to Dover and they had no idea"},{"startTime":458.579,"endTime":462.339,"body":"whether I was still in the water or not so the day I got in three summers good"},{"startTime":462.339,"endTime":466.259,"body":"and one they'd heard that one had got out but they didn't know which one it was"},{"startTime":466.259,"endTime":471.54,"body":"and so and there's so many groups and so many people to train with them"},{"startTime":471.54,"endTime":476.74,"body":"in recent years I barely swam a strip by myself and whereas when I was"},{"startTime":476.74,"endTime":485.06,"body":"training for the you know the English channel I couldn't find anybody so yeah"},{"startTime":485.06,"endTime":488.259,"body":"that's the kind of that's a really quick get up through yeah time of"},{"startTime":488.259,"endTime":496.42,"body":"information there yes um what so the English channel in you said it was"},{"startTime":496.42,"endTime":500.98,"body":"1987 right yeah some were there what were the biggest"},{"startTime":500.98,"endTime":505.779,"body":"differences between that channel crossing versus"},{"startTime":505.779,"endTime":511.459,"body":"example leg to poor that you did in 2021 from a piloting perspective a feeding"},{"startTime":511.459,"endTime":517.059,"body":"perspective yeah actually to be honest from the piloting perspective you know I had"},{"startTime":517.059,"endTime":522.659,"body":"a very good pilot in the in the English channel back in the day um and I had"},{"startTime":522.659,"endTime":527.94,"body":"an accident pilot on leg topper I had felt rushed actually I met in 1987"},{"startTime":527.94,"endTime":532.58,"body":"believe it or not so I was in Dover as a young 17 year old"},{"startTime":532.58,"endTime":537.059,"body":"and he was in Dover as well and he did his three way a couple of weeks"},{"startTime":537.059,"endTime":542.1,"body":"after I did my one way so you know remember actually meeting him and it's"},{"startTime":542.1,"endTime":545.86,"body":"just amazing to think kind of like almost 40 years later I actually kind of"},{"startTime":546.419,"endTime":553.539,"body":"well and seeing really frequently and so I think for me um like when I saw"},{"startTime":553.539,"endTime":558.82,"body":"English channel I had really no idea what I was doing um and actually I was the"},{"startTime":558.82,"endTime":562.659,"body":"first Irish woman to some English channel and there'd only been one Irish man"},{"startTime":562.659,"endTime":567.539,"body":"before that and he'd saw it in 1972 so I think the level of"},{"startTime":567.539,"endTime":572.659,"body":"naivety and you know kind of what you didn't know was quite high whereas the"},{"startTime":572.74,"endTime":576.419,"body":"type of what you know it was like well I've done these films before"},{"startTime":576.419,"endTime":581.62,"body":"I kind of know vaguely how it goes although I hadn't done a long film for quite a while"},{"startTime":582.259,"endTime":588.34,"body":"um I mean one of the big differences I think is the ability to track and the social media"},{"startTime":588.34,"endTime":593.059,"body":"and people being able to message you and you know you can stop for a feed and somebody says oh"},{"startTime":593.059,"endTime":598.74,"body":"you know Duncan called say well done keep it up and you know that just wasn't possible"},{"startTime":598.82,"endTime":603.139,"body":"in the English channel I mean it was I think it was something like three pounds in those days"},{"startTime":603.139,"endTime":608.659,"body":"for a ship to shore phone call and you needed those in emergency so there was kind of no messaging"},{"startTime":609.22,"endTime":615.62,"body":"um my feeding is actually stayed relatively similar believe it or not um definitely just had"},{"startTime":615.62,"endTime":623.7,"body":"a few refinement so I I do less solid food than I would have done on the other days so um but my"},{"startTime":623.7,"endTime":629.46,"body":"mum has always made a leak in potato soup and and I had that in the English channel and I"},{"startTime":629.46,"endTime":635.299,"body":"still have that on all of my films particularly the cold swims and so yeah a bit more liquid"},{"startTime":635.299,"endTime":642.74,"body":"probably nine a bit less solid food and then but apart from that really um I mean obviously"},{"startTime":643.379,"endTime":648.82,"body":"the lake is lovely because you don't have tides and currents and generally and it's it's"},{"startTime":648.82,"endTime":654.74,"body":"also prettier than the English channel which you know you're not seeing much in the you're not"},{"startTime":654.74,"endTime":661.22,"body":"seeing much in the English channel um I did see the old large boat uh or a ship um which you didn't see"},{"startTime":661.22,"endTime":669.62,"body":"in the late April um oh the sun that's for the big difference the sun in New Zealand it's just"},{"startTime":669.62,"endTime":678.419,"body":"lethal on my terribly white Irish skin so I mean I have to layer out big time um and it"},{"startTime":678.419,"endTime":684.419,"body":"won't say you still have to layer up and things like English channel um yeah it's yeah that the"},{"startTime":684.419,"endTime":688.899,"body":"sun it was it was a huge huge it's it's quite interesting that you've still got the same"},{"startTime":689.7,"endTime":695.539,"body":"same connections in many respects from you know 40 years ago that's that shows you how special"},{"startTime":695.539,"endTime":702.98,"body":"the sport is right that's quite a close knit yeah yeah look at close that yeah yeah so my things"},{"startTime":702.98,"endTime":708.82,"body":"like fell up but I mean even also like my mum is 980 one she won't mind me telling people out"},{"startTime":708.82,"endTime":715.86,"body":"but um you know my mum was was the feeder for all the crew on Gibraltar kind of last year you"},{"startTime":715.86,"endTime":722.1,"body":"know she's been on um a lot of the swims and she was you know involved and you know the swims back"},{"startTime":722.1,"endTime":729.62,"body":"in 96 86 and 87 my dad and brother went on my English channel boat and like I had a really really"},{"startTime":729.62,"endTime":734.019,"body":"rough day on the English channel um so actually one of the big things that I learned on the English"},{"startTime":734.019,"endTime":738.98,"body":"channel was my pilot said to me grown yeah are you prepared to go on a day that's not perfect"},{"startTime":739.779,"endTime":745.139,"body":"and I said to me say I'm like what I didn't realize is that I was fourth on the list of the tie"},{"startTime":745.139,"endTime":750.1,"body":"you know as a fourth swimmer the other three swimmers had all said that they were waiting for"},{"startTime":750.1,"endTime":756.259,"body":"the perfect day so I went from four to one um now the fact was it wasn't the perfect day the first"},{"startTime":756.259,"endTime":761.7,"body":"three are everybody awful on my per-father and brother like lost the inside of the stomachs"},{"startTime":761.7,"endTime":767.539,"body":"and you know various meals that they had eaten for for quite some days and I mean my mum hadn't"},{"startTime":767.539,"endTime":772.58,"body":"gone on the boat and and it was quite interesting my mum said to me she would never do that again"},{"startTime":772.58,"endTime":777.379,"body":"she was always wants to be on the boat now and because she said not being on a boat not being able"},{"startTime":777.379,"endTime":783.379,"body":"to see what's going on is actually far more stressful um now so it's funny they've swapped"},{"startTime":783.379,"endTime":789.779,"body":"over so my dad doesn't like going on the boats after the experience of the English channel he"},{"startTime":789.779,"endTime":794.82,"body":"has been on other boats with me but um you know he's in his 80s now so he says look I'll do land"},{"startTime":794.82,"endTime":802.34,"body":"logistics so he does land logistics and um so on on top of um my dad did all the kind of"},{"startTime":802.34,"endTime":807.94,"body":"driving of cars from start to the finish and my mum was was on the boat so slight real reversal in"},{"startTime":807.94,"endTime":814.5,"body":"terms of um the English channel and the type of but still yeah and same people all involved and"},{"startTime":814.5,"endTime":818.899,"body":"I think yeah the community's what keeps you going I'm not I mean it's just a stunning stunning"},{"startTime":818.899,"endTime":825.059,"body":"did your 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with"},{"startTime":864.259,"endTime":870.179,"body":"that are that are lovely so again he's got that nice community too and I think he's heading off"},{"startTime":870.179,"endTime":877.94,"body":"debris to do a 10 case filmers I've I've had the privilege of swimming at the Lado once um and the"},{"startTime":877.94,"endTime":883.94,"body":"community they like you said it was it was winter so there wasn't a lot of people out but they"},{"startTime":883.94,"endTime":891.7,"body":"you know took me into the the the little sort of I don't want to say clubhouse with bathrooms I guess"},{"startTime":891.7,"endTime":897.379,"body":"and you know the the chatting and and the the history with with the English Channel linked to"},{"startTime":897.379,"endTime":902.82,"body":"the Lado is just incredible right I could have sat there for days just just chatting to all the"},{"startTime":902.82,"endTime":909.62,"body":"old guys there but my question is has your brother done like Topor Rodman Hattern 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just absolutely loved that swim I mean you're passing all these you know"},{"startTime":1084.819,"endTime":1092.259,"body":"iconic um landmarks um the lights made it really pretty and also the lights made it pretty"},{"startTime":1092.259,"endTime":1098.339,"body":"and the fact it was dark you probably couldn't see how dirty the water was I did hit a couple of"},{"startTime":1098.339,"endTime":1104.18,"body":"things in the water but I couldn't see what they were so that was probably good so the the"},{"startTime":1104.18,"endTime":1110.18,"body":"temperature varies quite a lot in New York what what kind of temperature water did you end up swimming"},{"startTime":1110.18,"endTime":1115.38,"body":"in yeah look I was quite warm because again they only do the night swims in the kind of July kind"},{"startTime":1115.38,"endTime":1119.859,"body":"of I think you know kind of August so it was a bit warmer so I like I think it was it was it 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strong oh yeah it's going gangbusters I'm sick gangbusters"},{"startTime":2807.38,"endTime":2812.9,"body":"some amazing how are you more from earth I mean also I mean like my Facebook feed is just"},{"startTime":2812.9,"endTime":2817.86,"body":"full of open orders from earth and I mean there's a couple in Ireland I just don't know how to do it"},{"startTime":2817.86,"endTime":2823.38,"body":"I mean they just swim and like there's a guy called Dave Barry and I mean he's doing like"},{"startTime":2823.38,"endTime":2828.579,"body":"I don't think you must be up to about as 50th of a water like swim in the year genital I mean it's"},{"startTime":2828.579,"endTime":2836.34,"body":"just that stuff it's huge it is absolutely huge and like I'm just thrilled um absolutely thrilled"},{"startTime":2836.34,"endTime":2842.34,"body":"and I you know um I mean I you know you can't look back and you know by just thinking 1987"},{"startTime":2842.34,"endTime":2846.019,"body":"and I didn't do the train 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new"},{"startTime":2887.86,"endTime":2893.46,"body":"yeah look I um would really like to do that at some point but it's just I've been pretty focused"},{"startTime":2893.46,"endTime":2901.619,"body":"on the open water and so like um also they tend to be in a time when I've got slots for other"},{"startTime":2901.619,"endTime":2906.26,"body":"swims you know mains like an emergency swimming championship so probably be when I'm in Japan"},{"startTime":2906.34,"endTime":2912.98,"body":"this year but yeah I would be uh yeah it would be Kane um at some point um and I look I loved"},{"startTime":2913.94,"endTime":2918.019,"body":"swimming with my brother in the Lido and that was truly ice swimming you know I mean"},{"startTime":2921.699,"endTime":2926.82,"body":"um and it is just amazing in terms of how you feel afterwards you mean you do get that big"},{"startTime":2926.82,"endTime":2932.739,"body":"adrenaline head um so yeah I think uh definitely uh be very Kane and you'll see me there"},{"startTime":2932.82,"endTime":2942.099,"body":"sometime nice nice um maybe last question for me and then I'll start jaboring um any advice for like"},{"startTime":2942.099,"endTime":2949.139,"body":"younger swimmers or potentially even swimmers that used to swim in their youth that are considering"},{"startTime":2949.139,"endTime":2955.38,"body":"coming back you know any any top of guidance so I think for people who have swim in their youth"},{"startTime":2955.38,"endTime":2962.26,"body":"and are thinking about coming back um for me it was actually quite tough coming back um after I'd"},{"startTime":2962.26,"endTime":2968.26,"body":"had my kind of fourth child and I remember doing the Auckland Harbour swim and um I think I was"},{"startTime":2968.26,"endTime":2974.82,"body":"something like a thousand than seventy fifths out of 1452 people and I used to be in the world top"},{"startTime":2974.82,"endTime":2979.94,"body":"10 and I can't get into the top thousand and and it's because you know I wasn't doing very much"},{"startTime":2979.94,"endTime":2985.699,"body":"you know at all the rest but nice a number of people um at that swim had swam with me you know"},{"startTime":2985.699,"endTime":2991.619,"body":"when I was younger and faster and they rejoiced rejoiced at the fact that they had beaten me"},{"startTime":2992.5,"endTime":3000.98,"body":"and and you know that can actually be quite hard for people who have swam or competed at a"},{"startTime":3000.98,"endTime":3008.579,"body":"senior kind of level to you know not to be able to you know be kind of at the front of the pack"},{"startTime":3008.579,"endTime":3014.98,"body":"anymore and and actually I had to think about it quite hard um but what I realized was like I"},{"startTime":3014.98,"endTime":3019.94,"body":"really loved it and it was really good for me so actually I didn't care I mean I did slightly"},{"startTime":3019.94,"endTime":3026.42,"body":"care to be honest but you know I didn't the caring a better about hi I was swimming versus the"},{"startTime":3026.42,"endTime":3030.26,"body":"enjoyment and what else it was getting now was able to kind of rationalise it but I think"},{"startTime":3030.9,"endTime":3034.42,"body":"you know I have talked to a number of people who have said they find that rationalisation really"},{"startTime":3034.42,"endTime":3040.099,"body":"difficult and so what I was saying people who want to get back into it like just don't hold yourself"},{"startTime":3040.099,"endTime":3045.139,"body":"up to the standard that you were at when you were younger um and just remember the kind of the"},{"startTime":3045.139,"endTime":3051.219,"body":"passion and the fun and the community and and all the other things and because you know being"},{"startTime":3051.219,"endTime":3057.94,"body":"the best of being fastest you can't sustain that and but what you will get out of it is you know"},{"startTime":3057.94,"endTime":3063.94,"body":"an incredibly positive community you know would be good for your health your wellness and um"},{"startTime":3063.94,"endTime":3067.46,"body":"you know that outweighs the fact that somebody might make fun of the fact that you didn't"},{"startTime":3067.539,"endTime":3074.739,"body":"quite so much as fast as you used to and maybe they beat you know yes cool well I think that's"},{"startTime":3074.739,"endTime":3081.139,"body":"that's great um thanks so much for your time Grunnier it was great meeting you even if it"},{"startTime":3081.139,"endTime":3085.78,"body":"even in Osvirtual I'm sure I've probably bumped into you but just didn't know about it before"},{"startTime":3085.78,"endTime":3091.619,"body":"I ended a beach series or something but yeah it's wonderful hearing your story I'll learn so much"},{"startTime":3091.619,"endTime":3096.26,"body":"thank you no problem thanks very much so I'll say nice to chat Duncan I was good to have this"},{"startTime":3096.26,"endTime":3102.659,"body":"chat before we see each other in April yes um I'm looking forward to that three three big swimmers"},{"startTime":3102.659,"endTime":3108.739,"body":"in one week um you're a legend you're an inspiration to tons of swimmers out there and uh yeah we"},{"startTime":3108.739,"endTime":3113.3,"body":"look forward to getting to know you a little bit better yeah that sounds good and I bumped into"},{"startTime":3113.3,"endTime":3119.219,"body":"Roger so he said he might come and help it um yes he will definitely be there yeah yeah yeah yeah"},{"startTime":3119.219,"endTime":3124.739,"body":"so great that was nice yeah awesome yeah thank you for the rest of the weekend and we shall"},{"startTime":3125.619,"endTime":3130.98,"body":"be back in touch hi my name is Caitlyn O'Reilly I'm the youngest person who have completed the"},{"startTime":3130.98,"endTime":3136.579,"body":"Ocean 7 Challenge and for this really cool podcast has helped you learn something 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