{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"startTime":0.0,"endTime":16.559,"body":"Welcome back to Swimscape Podcast."},{"startTime":16.559,"endTime":21.239,"body":"Apologies for the long break, we got quite busy over the summer as we're helping"},{"startTime":21.239,"endTime":26.519,"body":"Jono Riddler and his world record swim down the east coast of the North Island."},{"startTime":26.519,"endTime":31.64,"body":"We'll catch up with Jono at some stage in the future and give you the whole story."},{"startTime":31.64,"endTime":34.119,"body":"But this episode is about something different."},{"startTime":34.119,"endTime":36.84,"body":"In this episode we talk to Nick Russell."},{"startTime":36.84,"endTime":42.52,"body":"Nick is an amazing lady and so positive, which is really stunning when you hear what she's"},{"startTime":42.52,"endTime":44.2,"body":"been through."},{"startTime":44.2,"endTime":48.88,"body":"She runs a charity called Kenzie's Gift that supports young people who are going through"},{"startTime":48.88,"endTime":53.56,"body":"grief, which might be through the loss of a sibling or a parent."},{"startTime":53.56,"endTime":59.119,"body":"Kenzie was Nick's daughter, who passed away from cancer at three years old, about 20 years"},{"startTime":59.119,"endTime":60.119,"body":"ago."},{"startTime":60.119,"endTime":65.64,"body":"But Nick started this charity despite dealing with her own cancer because she wanted to support"},{"startTime":65.64,"endTime":67.319,"body":"young people."},{"startTime":67.319,"endTime":71.959,"body":"Swimming was one of the ways that she dealt with what life has thrown at her."},{"startTime":71.959,"endTime":76.719,"body":"Now spoiler alert, there's much more that's happened with Nick's life, so just keep"},{"startTime":76.719,"endTime":79.959,"body":"on listening and it's amazing she keeps on smiling."},{"startTime":79.959,"endTime":82.12,"body":"So here we go."},{"startTime":82.12,"endTime":86.48,"body":"Welcome to another Swimscape podcast and this podcast we're talking to Nick."},{"startTime":86.48,"endTime":87.48,"body":"Is Nick is it?"},{"startTime":87.48,"endTime":88.48,"body":"It is indeed it is Nick."},{"startTime":88.48,"endTime":89.48,"body":"Are you getting Nick?"},{"startTime":89.48,"endTime":90.48,"body":"I wouldn't be getting told off."},{"startTime":90.48,"endTime":94.92,"body":"But I don't want to be told off, I get enough of that."},{"startTime":94.92,"endTime":100.04,"body":"Okay so Nick, so we normally just start off by asking you to tell us a little bit about"},{"startTime":100.04,"endTime":103.599,"body":"your swim story and then we'll see how the podcast goes from there."},{"startTime":103.599,"endTime":104.599,"body":"Right."},{"startTime":104.599,"endTime":109.719,"body":"Well my swim story starts back in Northern Ireland and I grew up beside the ocean and"},{"startTime":109.719,"endTime":113.959,"body":"I'm carnivored lock and the water temperature was somewhat chillier than the Aucklands water"},{"startTime":113.959,"endTime":114.959,"body":"temperature."},{"startTime":114.959,"endTime":115.959,"body":"Oh yeah."},{"startTime":115.959,"endTime":119.439,"body":"And but it was more just for pleasure and a bit of fun but I always loved the water."},{"startTime":119.439,"endTime":121.2,"body":"I mean it came to New Zealand."},{"startTime":121.2,"endTime":130.759,"body":"I'd always like this swim the harbor and I think Scott, gosh it's not Scott."},{"startTime":130.759,"endTime":131.759,"body":"Scott, right?"},{"startTime":131.759,"endTime":132.759,"body":"He started it."},{"startTime":132.759,"endTime":133.759,"body":"It is."},{"startTime":133.759,"endTime":134.759,"body":"It is what I do."},{"startTime":134.759,"endTime":135.759,"body":"It's not Scott."},{"startTime":135.759,"endTime":139.0,"body":"Scott's name went out my middle age brain there for a moment."},{"startTime":139.719,"endTime":142.919,"body":"I always wanted to do it but I was living on more than a tap at 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that year."},{"startTime":176.439,"endTime":182.56,"body":"And Scott comes casually over the MC going, now there's just been some orcus in the Bay."},{"startTime":182.56,"endTime":187.68,"body":"They're not known to Bay of any danger to humans but this is your chance to step out"},{"startTime":187.68,"endTime":189.639,"body":"and not go or continue."},{"startTime":189.639,"endTime":196.639,"body":"We continued and that was the start of my proper swimming, ocean swimming in New Zealand."},{"startTime":196.639,"endTime":201.479,"body":"I actually did it for Kenzie's gift at that time because Bob will talk about Kenzie's"},{"startTime":201.479,"endTime":202.919,"body":"gift in a little bit."},{"startTime":202.919,"endTime":208.639,"body":"But I really enjoyed my swimming and then we, I was part of the Daimport Swim Club for"},{"startTime":208.639,"endTime":214.879,"body":"many years and we did, I did most of Scott's ocean swim series, it was really a well-run"},{"startTime":214.879,"endTime":218.96,"body":"event and it was a good thing to get into, I was never going to be a marathon so many"},{"startTime":218.96,"endTime":227.08,"body":"grown your ultramarathons like John Huston be swimming the whole way around the country."},{"startTime":227.08,"endTime":231.439,"body":"But they inspire me, I just love the water and I love seeing what swimmers are doing in"},{"startTime":231.439,"endTime":236.12,"body":"New Zealand and we've got some amazing bodies of water to swim in, like you know, you"},{"startTime":236.12,"endTime":240.759,"body":"know, using a tapo like it's called a swam tapo leg just, you know, a little kilometre"},{"startTime":240.759,"endTime":241.759,"body":"of it."},{"startTime":241.759,"endTime":245.719,"body":"But people that could do 42 kilometres over and out, it's just so inspiring."},{"startTime":245.719,"endTime":253.159,"body":"But Kiwis kind of accomplished, the Kiwis swimming community is amazing and yeah, so that's"},{"startTime":253.159,"endTime":259.16,"body":"why I'm so, but after swimming, doing my ocean swims for a couple of years I went into"},{"startTime":259.16,"endTime":263.56,"body":"hard failure and so that put pay to any of that type of shenanigans and then you got"},{"startTime":263.56,"endTime":264.92,"body":"partner since."},{"startTime":264.92,"endTime":269.199,"body":"So my swimming knife, I'm not allowed to swim in a public pool because of my immune system"},{"startTime":269.199,"endTime":273.68,"body":"that was told absolutely you cannot swim in a public pool but you can swim in the ocean."},{"startTime":273.68,"endTime":276.879,"body":"It's so long as we don't have red alerts and black alerts but I'm only allowed to swim"},{"startTime":276.879,"endTime":278.16,"body":"in the ocean now."},{"startTime":278.16,"endTime":283.48,"body":"So my swimming is probably about 250 metres depending what my body decides to do and the"},{"startTime":283.48,"endTime":288.12,"body":"given day partner since could sometimes play nice or sometimes it won't and my neurologist"},{"startTime":288.12,"endTime":292.36,"body":"said swimming is the hardest thing for a parkie to do because you have so many body, you"},{"startTime":292.36,"endTime":296.959,"body":"know, components going together to coordinate to swim properly."},{"startTime":296.959,"endTime":301.839,"body":"So some days later the body is facing so I have to stand up and an aqua jog and then the"},{"startTime":301.839,"endTime":305.079,"body":"body will start coordinating itself again and I'll go again."},{"startTime":305.079,"endTime":308.759,"body":"So it's all this complex stuff but still I swim."},{"startTime":308.759,"endTime":314.079,"body":"I love the ocean and I love New Zealand waters then so yeah, there's a whole bunch of"},{"startTime":314.079,"endTime":315.279,"body":"stuff going on there."},{"startTime":315.279,"endTime":319.48,"body":"Kenzie's gift park and since hard failure, is that why you hate towing people?"},{"startTime":319.48,"endTime":321.48,"body":"Yes, that's why my heart turned purple."},{"startTime":321.48,"endTime":327.439,"body":"I was just trying to figure that out, it's all about me and I need to be attention sick"},{"startTime":327.439,"endTime":331.92,"body":"and so why do I just make my hair purple?"},{"startTime":331.92,"endTime":338.879,"body":"Cool, that's a wonderful story, I remember that harbour crossing actually, I'm pretty"},{"startTime":338.879,"endTime":342.879,"body":"sure I was there as well because I remember that, the whole orca."},{"startTime":342.879,"endTime":348.04,"body":"Well I think we all did, as much as we want to see orcas in the wild, I didn't really"},{"startTime":348.04,"endTime":350.439,"body":"want to be swimming aside, I wanted to be fair."},{"startTime":350.439,"endTime":355.12,"body":"Yeah, I think we've all been there."},{"startTime":355.12,"endTime":361.92,"body":"So they say orcas have never attacked any humans right, but unless you're in an amusement"},{"startTime":361.92,"endTime":366.199,"body":"park or whatever it was in America, they have actually attacked humans."},{"startTime":366.199,"endTime":371.04,"body":"Well, there shouldn't be an amusement park, it's not what they're supposed to be."},{"startTime":371.04,"endTime":375.079,"body":"And I think people have come across orcas in the way they're more curious, unless you're"},{"startTime":375.079,"endTime":378.959,"body":"living in the northern hemisphere where they're attacking bolts and I have to call for it"},{"startTime":378.959,"endTime":382.24,"body":"and that's been an interesting discussion, the science behind that one of the way they"},{"startTime":382.24,"endTime":383.759,"body":"are attacking bolts."},{"startTime":383.759,"endTime":386.48,"body":"Yes, in Portugal there was a whole bunch of them."},{"startTime":386.48,"endTime":392.279,"body":"Yeah, I know this is a side issue, but I think some hypothesis is that over COVID, they"},{"startTime":392.279,"endTime":395.439,"body":"thought this was lovely, there was no noise in the world because there's so many bolts"},{"startTime":395.439,"endTime":397.519,"body":"and stuff around and they really got to enjoy it."},{"startTime":397.519,"endTime":401.0,"body":"And then they've realised the bolts are the cause of it."},{"startTime":401.0,"endTime":405.04,"body":"Noise or maybe, you know, because they're smart animal maybe a bolt, injured one of them,"},{"startTime":405.04,"endTime":410.04,"body":"you just don't know and that's their revenge, the orca, who knows, but it's quite an interesting"},{"startTime":410.04,"endTime":411.04,"body":"thing going on."},{"startTime":411.04,"endTime":416.72,"body":"But that's not used to me, we digress, I want to do that."},{"startTime":416.72,"endTime":427.399,"body":"Yes, so leaving on from that, we're looking at doing some swims to support Kenzie's gift"},{"startTime":427.399,"endTime":432.319,"body":"and I thought this would be a wonderful time for you to tell us and all of our listeners"},{"startTime":432.319,"endTime":437.399,"body":"a little bit, a little bit about Kenzie's gift, it's quite a story that you've got we'd"},{"startTime":437.399,"endTime":438.399,"body":"love to hear it."},{"startTime":438.399,"endTime":441.12,"body":"Oh, thank you Jim and thank you Duncan."},{"startTime":441.12,"endTime":447.04,"body":"So Kenzie's gift, so my story pretty much stems back from whenever I was out on the"},{"startTime":447.04,"endTime":451.68,"body":"top of Ireland, I had two little kitties, Kenzie and Connor, Kenzie got seriously second"},{"startTime":451.68,"endTime":456.68,"body":"sort of die in 2005, we both got diagnosed with cancer, and tragically Kenzie died at"},{"startTime":456.68,"endTime":462.68,"body":"the end of that year at age three and my life fell to pieces, it's something that that's"},{"startTime":462.68,"endTime":466.879,"body":"been my defining moment, there was life before and there was life after, but what we found"},{"startTime":466.879,"endTime":473.079,"body":"at the time was there was no mental health support for children and young people and"},{"startTime":473.079,"endTime":478.12,"body":"for the parents of the how do we deal with grief when something's gone off like this, what"},{"startTime":478.12,"endTime":482.399,"body":"we say to children, what we say to parents, how do you explain that to them?"},{"startTime":482.399,"endTime":488.04,"body":"So we set up Kenzie's gift to support the mental health of our young Kiwis, whose parent"},{"startTime":488.04,"endTime":492.68,"body":"or sibling has died or has a serious illness in the family, because it's often the unspoken"},{"startTime":492.68,"endTime":497.959,"body":"family, and it's, and grief is a lonely sport, you know people tend to avoid you because"},{"startTime":497.959,"endTime":502.199,"body":"they don't know what to say, we all want to fix it, it's really really hard and you can't"},{"startTime":502.199,"endTime":507.16,"body":"fix it, what you need is useful humans, whenever this has happened to you, you need people"},{"startTime":507.16,"endTime":511.16,"body":"that will walk beside you, that will be there, that will maybe take on the life admin"},{"startTime":511.16,"endTime":515.96,"body":"for you, and annoying that there's an organisation there, like Kenzie's gift that will help with"},{"startTime":515.96,"endTime":522.48,"body":"the top conversations, and that's what we're about, so today we've supported over 7,000,"},{"startTime":523.279,"endTime":528.08,"body":"and we're a small charity, you know what I mean, it's got a part-time crew maybe, maybe"},{"startTime":528.08,"endTime":532.799,"body":"one of them got another contract, we're all running on a shoestring budget, we'll be"},{"startTime":532.799,"endTime":542.0,"body":"punched up our weight, and it's like last year where you supported, was it 150 children with"},{"startTime":542.0,"endTime":547.12,"body":"direct therapy, with over 3,000 sessions, and that's a lot of money, you know, and it's huge,"},{"startTime":547.12,"endTime":551.36,"body":"and instead of doing this part-time, we've got 40 clinical psychologists and therapists"},{"startTime":551.36,"endTime":555.84,"body":"during the country now, they get triage, we have our doctor of clinical site triage,"},{"startTime":555.84,"endTime":560.399,"body":"as the family says, they come in, we've got resources that we deliver to hospitals,"},{"startTime":560.399,"endTime":565.2,"body":"palliative care, periodic intensive care unit at Starchship, so our resources are really valued"},{"startTime":565.2,"endTime":569.039,"body":"because they've been written by clinical psychologists, they're based on evidence, they're not 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kept"},{"startTime":609.039,"endTime":614.0,"body":"me growing, so in life is really shit and really hard, you know, there's something with swimming,"},{"startTime":614.0,"endTime":617.919,"body":"and that's what I think, you know, with what was being, I reckon you should make your head blue,"},{"startTime":619.36,"endTime":625.84,"body":"yeah, instead of being big, that's next year's colour, yeah, yeah, so interesting point right,"},{"startTime":628.96,"endTime":635.279,"body":"you sort of touched on how people don't know how to approach a situation like that,"},{"startTime":636.0,"endTime":643.519,"body":"if somebody passes away or if somebody's going through a tough time, it's often easy to acknowledge,"},{"startTime":643.519,"endTime":648.96,"body":"and then just try to move on, because you don't want to unpack it, and you don't know how to deal"},{"startTime":648.96,"endTime":655.36,"body":"with it, and I mean, how should people deal with it, you know, what are you all,"},{"startTime":655.36,"endTime":659.919,"body":"I think words don't fix it, but I mean people often say, how are you doing today,"},{"startTime":659.919,"endTime":663.679,"body":"it's much easier to say how you're managing today, you know what I mean, because it's not,"},{"startTime":663.679,"endTime":668.08,"body":"because how you're doing would have wanted to be shit, right, and some people avoid, you know,"},{"startTime":668.08,"endTime":673.279,"body":"maybe not bringing your loved ones name up, but say they're name, they want to know who that person"},{"startTime":673.279,"endTime":677.279,"body":"wants, you want to keep their memory alive, so don't be afraid to speak their name, some people,"},{"startTime":677.279,"endTime":681.36,"body":"I think we all go off, we say something, we're going to upset them, they're upset anyhow,"},{"startTime":681.36,"endTime":685.36,"body":"their loved one isn't with them anymore, so we just speak them, because we all like to 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through"},{"startTime":784.08,"endTime":788.639,"body":"each day, you want them from the other, because it won't be tough, but as I said, we need useful"},{"startTime":788.639,"endTime":793.44,"body":"humans, we don't need platitudes, we don't need words, we need people to turn up, I'm not,"},{"startTime":793.44,"endTime":798.24,"body":"I was the stupid guy at the back of the class, what's a platitude? Well, if somebody says,"},{"startTime":798.24,"endTime":802.0,"body":"it sounds like a father dinner in a buffet. 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And I think that's what, like,"},{"startTime":2475.28,"endTime":2479.44,"body":"what, which makes life worth living is having good friends around you or family, you know,"},{"startTime":2479.44,"endTime":2483.36,"body":"but it's having those loved ones. I agree, but sometimes you've got to compromise on"},{"startTime":2483.36,"endTime":2488.88,"body":"that. I just use Duncan. Yeah. I don't have any other friends either. So I just use him to"},{"startTime":2488.88,"endTime":2493.599,"body":"sit. I couldn't find any of us. Will you be my friend, Nick? I'll be your friend. I'll be your"},{"startTime":2493.599,"endTime":2500.8,"body":"friend. There you go. There you go. Tell these three of us now. Parkinson's came off the, the"},{"startTime":2501.599,"endTime":2506.639,"body":"heart transplant. No, it came in before. 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Nobody really"},{"startTime":2534.079,"endTime":2539.199,"body":"put that down and went off to get the bar, you know, the swallow test done. Hands I'd end up having"},{"startTime":2539.199,"endTime":2543.76,"body":"carpal tunnel done, which wasn't carpal tunnel. And I had masking on my face where it looked"},{"startTime":2543.76,"endTime":2546.96,"body":"sadder and mad all the time. People were like, oh, you all right. I think I was really pissed off"},{"startTime":2546.96,"endTime":2550.96,"body":"all the time. And it was, and it was like really slow and stiff at the time, as well. My kids"},{"startTime":2550.96,"endTime":2555.119,"body":"called it resting bitch face. Resting bitch face. It was, it looked like I had resting bitch face"},{"startTime":2555.119,"endTime":2560.719,"body":"all the time. And, and I was, and my walk had changed quite a bit. And I was having quite a few"},{"startTime":2560.719,"endTime":2566.0,"body":"surges of that time for, you know, a failed reconstruction to do with the breast cancer. So we put"},{"startTime":2566.0,"endTime":2569.92,"body":"it all down to that. And it turns out it was Parkinson's. As soon as they put me on the drugs,"},{"startTime":2569.92,"endTime":2573.92,"body":"it's like night and day, because it's because you're being, isn't we just in any dopamine anymore,"},{"startTime":2573.92,"endTime":2578.88,"body":"which is what dopamine is needed for, well, for your movement, but also then, then mood and all"},{"startTime":2578.88,"endTime":2583.84,"body":"those other things that we don't think about, you know, it's, so, so many, little, so many parts of"},{"startTime":2583.84,"endTime":2589.119,"body":"Parkinson's. It's a huge big disease. And it, no two people are the same with what the symptoms"},{"startTime":2589.119,"endTime":2594.48,"body":"they're going to get. So it's, so yeah, but as soon as put me on the drugs, it's like, oh my god,"},{"startTime":2594.48,"endTime":2599.36,"body":"it's like, it's back to me, to me again. You know what I mean? Which was really good. So you reckon?"},{"startTime":2600.48,"endTime":2607.519,"body":"So the, the risk is you, you, you potentially are frees. As in your, your muscles will start"},{"startTime":2607.519,"endTime":2612.48,"body":"working in the middle of a swan. Well, obviously then you're going to sink, right? Well, there's"},{"startTime":2612.48,"endTime":2618.0,"body":"quite a few parties that I was on a forum and there was an international forum in one gadget that"},{"startTime":2618.0,"endTime":2621.92,"body":"there'd be quite a few swimmers in it. 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Sure, there was an outbreak down in Wellington"},{"startTime":2682.96,"endTime":2687.36,"body":"a few months ago, wasn't in the public pool, so you're dirty or something, something happened."},{"startTime":2687.36,"endTime":2691.599,"body":"It's that type of thing. And they do, you mean, when you're swimming in a pool, it's this close"},{"startTime":2691.599,"endTime":2695.519,"body":"body of water. You're sweating, which is dilute urine. And when people live with their"},{"startTime":2695.519,"endTime":2698.32,"body":"armies on, you know, you don't know how well they've cleaned their back size after they've gone"},{"startTime":2698.32,"endTime":2702.239,"body":"to her. I shouldn't be putting people off in this swim, but it's all those things in little"},{"startTime":2702.239,"endTime":2708.32,"body":"kiddies, having accidents. We swimming in a pool tomorrow, right? 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But what it does, it gets..."},{"startTime":2777.36,"endTime":2780.079,"body":"Cold work, it's your own head, right? Because you're thinking about,"},{"startTime":2780.079,"endTime":2785.119,"body":"shit, it's cold, shit, it's cold, and then it takes your own head for a start, right?"},{"startTime":2785.119,"endTime":2789.76,"body":"And then, actually, then it's the fact that you get afterwards. I mean, I just,"},{"startTime":2790.4,"endTime":2795.119,"body":"I've just always found it, it's just for me, it's like a reset for me, and that's why,"},{"startTime":2795.119,"endTime":2798.559,"body":"I mean, it works. And it's always worked, and that's why I suppose a stuckle someone have come"},{"startTime":2798.559,"endTime":2802.4,"body":"to fundraiser for Kenzie's gift. I've always done supporting fundraiser for Kenzie's gift,"},{"startTime":2802.4,"endTime":2807.36,"body":"because it is being outside in nature, getting your body moving, being with community,"},{"startTime":2807.36,"endTime":2812.0,"body":"being with friends, it's all of that comes around, and it's because it is a mental health"},{"startTime":2812.0,"endTime":2817.039,"body":"charity for kids and stuff. It sits quite well, you know what I mean? Because when life is tough"},{"startTime":2817.039,"endTime":2821.76,"body":"and life is hard, and I remember even like reading, I've had to, I've had to have been doing the"},{"startTime":2821.76,"endTime":2825.36,"body":"audiobook for Bollocks. It's been a hard couple of days reading that this last few days,"},{"startTime":2825.36,"endTime":2829.599,"body":"because it's the bit where Kenzie dies. And afterwards, and it's like high turn to sport,"},{"startTime":2829.599,"endTime":2833.76,"body":"because they wanted the physical pain to take over the psychological pain, but it was being"},{"startTime":2833.76,"endTime":2838.559,"body":"outside, being with the beach, being having those moments, I've just given you some sort of"},{"startTime":2839.199,"endTime":2844.559,"body":"respite, just just grind you to just get you through it. And there's a lot to be said for it,"},{"startTime":2844.559,"endTime":2848.8,"body":"you know what I mean? It's was that sort of a bit evangelical when it comes to being sport outside,"},{"startTime":2848.8,"endTime":2852.719,"body":"nature, it's just, it just does a concrete jungle doesn't do for me, a gym with lots of people"},{"startTime":2852.719,"endTime":2857.519,"body":"doesn't do for me. It's being out in nature, in the environment, feeling all your sin,"},{"startTime":2857.519,"endTime":2862.079,"body":"all your senses being stimulated alive and the thing that's, and it'll have to say,"},{"startTime":2862.079,"endTime":2866.4,"body":"with swimmers, I've never met a grumpy swimmer, I've met a grumpy runner but I've never met a grumpy"},{"startTime":2866.4,"endTime":2871.599,"body":"swimmer. There's something amazing about swimmers, there's just something. You should see me just"},{"startTime":2871.599,"endTime":2876.8,"body":"before I get in the water. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And there's this, it looks like a"},{"startTime":2876.8,"endTime":2884.719,"body":"little tower, it's a towering, a source ricks for these hands. Tell us about, oh we'll all talk about"},{"startTime":2885.119,"endTime":2888.559,"body":"this. Yes, you're not talking about this. Tell us about Bollocks and when is it coming out and"},{"startTime":2889.36,"endTime":2894.639,"body":"obviously there's a lot in there that we've sort of briefly touched on on this podcast."},{"startTime":2895.44,"endTime":2899.519,"body":"Yes, so Bollocks is my memoir which it would be. I've been asked to write a book for"},{"startTime":2899.519,"endTime":2904.32,"body":"for a while now and it's um I thought you want to read my story and it's um"},{"startTime":2905.92,"endTime":2911.679,"body":"and I think I wanted, I didn't want to tell people how to do, how to do grief, how to do"},{"startTime":2911.679,"endTime":2915.84,"body":"illness is how to do because that's not what, that's not what my life is about. I think it was"},{"startTime":2915.84,"endTime":2919.599,"body":"more about because our experiences in life are all different, we've all got our stories"},{"startTime":2920.239,"endTime":2928.48,"body":"but it's how we live a life. So Bollocks is, it's pretty much about my life. So this is the"},{"startTime":2928.48,"endTime":2931.84,"body":"summary of it anyway and I think this probably sums it up really well. So I'll actually read"},{"startTime":2932.719,"endTime":2936.88,"body":"read a bit too. So I left it just in through the book that made it drop the whole library"},{"startTime":2937.679,"endTime":2942.079,"body":"Northern Irish born Kiwi by choice. I've lived through cancer, the death of my three-year-old daughter"},{"startTime":2942.079,"endTime":2947.039,"body":"Kenzie Parkinson's and heart transplant and yet somehow I still get up swinging. Out of that chaos"},{"startTime":2947.039,"endTime":2951.76,"body":"came Kenzie's gift. The charity I've found it helped children and young people whose"},{"startTime":2951.76,"endTime":2956.32,"body":"parents are sibling has died or seriously ill, two decades on it supported thousands across New"},{"startTime":2956.32,"endTime":2961.119,"body":"Zealand. Bollocks is my no-nonsense and at times start a funny memoir of survival swearing and"},{"startTime":2961.119,"endTime":2965.84,"body":"starting a game when life refuses to play fair. Boll brave and brilliantly human this book is a"},{"startTime":2965.84,"endTime":2973.519,"body":"masterclass in resilience, says I. And Harry Barron has endorsed it. When she read it, she said,"},{"startTime":2973.519,"endTime":2978.48,"body":"she said, holy shit Nick, this is just, she couldn't put it down and she said, if it were fiction,"},{"startTime":2978.48,"endTime":2983.119,"body":"you'd think it unbelievable. The fact that Australia is just something else. When is it come on?"},{"startTime":2983.119,"endTime":2987.84,"body":"Comes out in October. And how do people get hold of it? Well hopefully through all good bookstores."},{"startTime":2987.84,"endTime":2993.36,"body":"Yes, but also through, they couldn't get it through my website, Nick Russell.co.nz, they can sign up"},{"startTime":2993.44,"endTime":2999.36,"body":"for updates on it through the website. It will be available via audiobook and Kindle as well"},{"startTime":3000.0,"endTime":3008.079,"body":"as the hard back cover for the soft cover. Is Bollocks an Irish word? It is. And conversion means?"},{"startTime":3008.96,"endTime":3014.8,"body":"Well, it's like shite. Bollocks is just like, it's what you think of it. Yeah, it's just Bollocks."},{"startTime":3014.8,"endTime":3019.199,"body":"As it says. Bollocks, it's just a fox here, there's something else going on with my life."},{"startTime":3019.199,"endTime":3026.639,"body":"But I think it's just you keep going and I said, and it's not done playing the stuff"},{"startTime":3026.639,"endTime":3030.719,"body":"that people go through, but any stretch of imagination. We need to find a sponsor for"},{"startTime":3030.719,"endTime":3035.44,"body":"12-1 mile and we could put Bollocks on the one side of the caps and Kindle's gift on the other side."},{"startTime":3035.44,"endTime":3038.719,"body":"Oh fantastic. Thank you. Yeah, I love Bollocks. I love for that."},{"startTime":3038.719,"endTime":3043.119,"body":"Yeah, I use those jams and thank everybody for listening to me this morning as I've"},{"startTime":3043.119,"endTime":3047.199,"body":"robbered it on about hopefully you've got something else and hopefully you'll all come and"},{"startTime":3047.199,"endTime":3052.8,"body":"join in the 12-1 mile thing and get behind it and and raise some money for some children"},{"startTime":3052.8,"endTime":3056.639,"body":"around you. They don't really do it tough so it's like that's what that's what we're doing for"},{"startTime":3056.639,"endTime":3060.88,"body":"or so it's them when they've gone through the unthinkable that there's servers that can actually"},{"startTime":3060.88,"endTime":3067.84,"body":"make a big change for them by swimming in. Well, you are an inspiration and a legend and it's"},{"startTime":3068.559,"endTime":3074.48,"body":"on that to have met you and I hope we can do some shit together. I'm thinking,"},{"startTime":3074.559,"endTime":3079.92,"body":"immediately you just need someone to flip you over. So we can swim anywhere and you just"},{"startTime":3079.92,"endTime":3084.719,"body":"you need a partner next year and if you freeze up you just we just got to flip you over."},{"startTime":3084.719,"endTime":3089.92,"body":"Flip me over, yeah, yeah, my flipper. Bollocks and flipper, we'll do good."},{"startTime":3089.92,"endTime":3096.96,"body":"Yeah, we'll do good. Yeah, that's awesome. I so enjoyed this conversation. It's been wonderful"},{"startTime":3096.96,"endTime":3103.36,"body":"just meeting you and hearing your story and I'm amazed at the work that you do and thank you."},{"startTime":3103.36,"endTime":3107.28,"body":"Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you to everyone."},{"startTime":3107.76,"endTime":3109.679,"body":"Yeah. Cool. Cheers."},{"startTime":3109.679,"endTime":3114.4,"body":"Cheers. Hi, my name is Caitlyn O'Reilly. I'm the youngest person who have completed the"},{"startTime":3114.4,"endTime":3119.92,"body":"Ocean 7 Challenge and if this really cool podcast has helped you learn something new,"},{"startTime":3119.92,"endTime":3125.519,"body":"maybe it's introduced you to new swimmers, made you smile. Then please state the opportunity"},{"startTime":3125.519,"endTime":3130.159,"body":"to subscribe to Duncan and Jim's channel. I'm sure they would absolutely appreciate all your"},{"startTime":3130.159,"endTime":3136.4,"body":"support. Cheers. Thank you, Caitlyn. As always, if you would like to give us feedback you can find us"},{"startTime":3136.4,"endTime":3146.32,"body":"on Instagram at SwimscapeAdventures or email which is info at Swimscape.co.nz. If you enjoyed this"},{"startTime":3146.32,"endTime":3152.0,"body":"please consider rating our show wherever you get your podcasts. 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