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Who's Who in Pattaya - Spotting Ladyboys and Bar Scams w\ Scott
Step into the neon-lit world of Pattaya with our guest Scott, a seasoned visitor who's developed what locals call "the Pattaya addiction." From his first visit in 2019 to his current seven-week stay, Scott pulls back the curtain on Thailand's most notorious playground with refreshing candor and surprising insights.
Scott shares a harrowing tale from Phuket's Patong Beach where a simple night out spiraled into bill padding, physical confrontation, and police intervention – contrasting sharply with Pattaya's surprisingly peaceful reputation despite its rowdier image. We explore the social stigma of visiting Pattaya and the linguistic gymnastics travelers perform when telling friends back home about their Thai adventures, often substituting "Banglamung" for the more recognizable destination.
The conversation takes a fascinating turn as Scott discusses his preference for ladyboys, estimating they comprise about 80% of his romantic encounters in Thailand. Our trio dives into the telltale signs for identifying ladyboys – from shoulder width to head size – offering practical advice for curious travelers while maintaining respect for the community. We also touch on the darker aspects of Pattaya's nightlife, including drug use among bar workers and the economic pressures that drive these behaviors.
For those considering an extended stay, Scott compares the economics of hotel living (around 3,000-1500 baht nightly) versus monthly condominium rentals (approximately 7,000 baht monthly), providing valuable insights for budget-conscious travelers. As Scott contemplates a potential move to Bangkok – a city he's only experienced through its airport – we witness the evolution of a traveler whose relationship with Thailand continues to deepen beyond tourist clichés.
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Hello everyone and welcome back to my Thai Wife Podcast. I'm Mike and sadly I'm still doing this without my lovely, lovely wife Sunari. But as usual, you know who's here. Hello, pim.
Speaker 2:Hi everyone.
Speaker 1:How are you doing?
Speaker 2:Doing good. How about you?
Speaker 1:I'm okay, so you're practicing very hard now.
Speaker 2:Very hard practicing dance today.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she, soon she have a dance competition. Yeah, so she's working really hard like she's dancing in the groups, you know, so it's a group competition yeah and we have another guest here. His name is scott he's. We became really good friends lately, I think, because we had some crazy nights together more than once, yes, so we'll just start the introduction, the basic one. So how long have you been here and is that your first time in Pataya?
Speaker 4:So I've been here now about seven and a half weeks. This is the fourth time I've been to Pataya okay, so the first time was six years ago, start of 2019. Okay, the second time was January 2020. And then COVID happened. And then I haven't been back since COVID.
Speaker 1:Since COVID.
Speaker 4:Until I came back February this year, okay, and then I went home for two months and then I came back.
Speaker 1:So you came February. Yeah, you went home for a couple of months and then I came back. So you came February. Yeah, you went home for a couple of months and then you came back, yeah, okay, so I think you got the addiction. You know what I mean. Many people get addicted to Pattaya. Yeah, but you only travel to Pattaya normally or you go other places, because I know for sure you've been to Phuket two weeks ago, or something like that.
Speaker 4:So before in Thailand, I've only ever been to Pattaya.
Speaker 1:The first time you come to Thailand immediately. Pattaya, you're a smart guy.
Speaker 4:I have smart friends. Yeah, I have friends that have come here for about 20 years, so I always just come here with them.
Speaker 1:Oh, so normally you come here with your friends before. Yeah. Okay, you find it like better coming here with friends or better coming here alone? Because when I used to come here with friends at the beginning it was fun, but I think I missed a lot of things, because when you're traveling in the group, everyone is like, oh, let's go, let's go, and you never actually get to do what you actually want.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I mean it's always been like a small group really, so four or five. So it's never a small group really, so four or five, so it's never, it's not too bad, but I know what you mean.
Speaker 1:It's even with one friend sometimes you are always like he wants to go that area and I want to go a different area and you know you feel bad to leave him alone. Or he felt to leave you alone.
Speaker 4:So, yeah, I think I don't think there's a better one. I I don't think there's a better one. I think they're both good, but I think that they're just different. I think when you're on your own, you have the freedom to do what you want, go where you want, but you're on your own.
Speaker 1:But in Patea you're never really on your own you meet here a lot of guys and girls and everything in between. So, as you said, you came here many times and I know for a fact now you're trying to find a way to stay here, right.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And we spoke before, you might have to move to bangkok for that. Have you been to bangkok before? Have? You traveled there.
Speaker 4:You know anything so I've only been to bangkok airport yeah, okay, really in and out of bangkok airport so you doesn't throw your other so until just for like a arrive in Thailand.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And then you moved from there.
Speaker 4:Yeah, immediately came to Pattaya Bangkok airport taxi Pattaya.
Speaker 2:Ah, it's like the point.
Speaker 1:Yeah to get to the point exactly.
Speaker 4:Yeah. So the problem is my friends that I've come here before with, because they've been coming here for like 20 years. They've done Bangkok, they've done Phuket, they've done some traveling around Thailand, so for them they just want to get to Pattaya, Okay. So that's why I've not done that, but this time I've been to Koh Samui and I've been to Phuket, so I've tried to do a bit of traveling and you find it more enjoyable than you thought it would be, or it was kind of no, it's good, because back home people you say you're going to Thailand and they say, oh, have you been to this place and this place?
Speaker 1:and this place and it's like, no, I just go to Pattaya oh you fucking sex path. You know, sometimes I said I've gone to Pattaya.
Speaker 4:Oh, you fucking sex path, you know. Yeah, sometimes I say I've come to a place called Jomtien, which is, it's just that I've never heard of it.
Speaker 1:Just say Banglamung Chonburi. No one needs to know the word Pattaya.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:When me and my wife were speaking about Pattaya and places like that with people that are not from Thailand, but they know Thailand we never use the word Pattaya, we always say Banglamung. So no one oh, where do you say Banglamung? Oh, ok, no one knows where is that, but Banglamung is basically the Pattaya area. So there are tricks to talking about Pattaya without talking about Pattaya.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's the thing, because I'd answer every question with no, I've not been there. I've not been there. I've not been there, I've just been to this one place.
Speaker 1:You know, when I traveled to Phuket last time I was here, I found it actually quite boring.
Speaker 4:Oh shit.
Speaker 1:Like there is one street that is okay and that's it, and that street is extremely expensive. It's not as fun as any random street here in Pattaya. Yeah, and well, some people are, you know they like sightseeing and stuff like that. I'm not that kind of guy, you know it's. I'm not impressed by beautiful beaches and mountains and elephants or whatever, yeah, so I found it very boring.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I mean. So I did a sailing course in Phuket. Yeah. So that was really good because you had something to do and we went around a lot of the islands just off Phuket, so that was beautiful, it was really good. So that was good to do a bit of traveling. But I went to Patong for one night, that's it. I'll never go back there again. Did I tell you about that night? I think I'm not sure. I think I told somebody else. Okay, so they it's very expensive, expensive. All the drinks are very expensive.
Speaker 1:I went to one bar and then, uh, oh, you told me, but go on, that's a great story. I know, I know, I know the bill got bigger and bigger.
Speaker 4:I paid one bill and then started another one and even when I'm drunk I always keep an eye on my bill and and then I get to pay the second bill and it's way higher than what I was expecting it to be like how high are?
Speaker 1:we talking well like double double than what you thought. So let's say few thousands already. Yeah, okay, so I thought it was 1500. I say a few thousand already.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, okay. So I thought it was 1,500. I bought a couple of drinks, so I was thinking about 2,000, and then it was about 4,500. Fuck, so I'm like, hold on. So I start looking through the bill and I'm reading the names out and I'm saying, well, who's this? And I say, oh, that's that person over there. And I'm reading the names out and I'm saying, well, who's this? And they say, oh, that's that person over there. And I'm like, well, I've not even spoke to that person all night, so I've definitely not bought them a drink. And who's this? Oh, that's this person, and this person and this person. So I then said, well, I'm not paying for them. So then they reduced it down, and then I still said, but how can I trust them?
Speaker 4:So they fucked my first bill up Anyway, and I apologized, took the drinks off, but it already happened once, and then they did it again on the second time why you stayed there.
Speaker 1:Huh, why you stayed there after they fucked up for the first time. That's a good question. You have to.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it is. I mean to be fair, fair like they. They said sorry and they took the drinks off and were very apologetic.
Speaker 1:So okay, was that a club, a bar?
Speaker 4:just a bar bar okay. And so then they so I'm questioning, saying, well, how do I trust any of this bill now, because you've fucked it up so much already? So I said, look, I'll pay you this much. And then they say, no, okay, we call the police. Then so I go, okay, I'll pay you nothing. Then. So I try to walk out. Someone tries to stop me. I say don't touch me, like the security.
Speaker 1:No, just the staff. Okay, out, someone trust up me, like the security. Are we talking about ladies or lady boys?
Speaker 4:lady, not lady, lady staff, and then I go to leave, then I try to walk out another way and then she dragged in me and then someone else run at me, so I have to get rid of any other big guy.
Speaker 1:You're a strong guy.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so I have to get rid of them. But some man run at me I'm not going to fucking stand there, so I have to get rid of them. And then everyone jump in. And then I'm on the floor and there's about five people punching and kicking me in the head.
Speaker 1:Oh, that sounds like fun.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so I've never had anything like that before In Thailand. I've never had any trouble.
Speaker 1:The first time I came to. Thailand I said this to my friends Wait, wait, how was it resolved? How?
Speaker 4:was it resolved? Oh, so then the police come and say I have to pay the bill. And I said what about all of this?
Speaker 1:They've just been fucking kicking me in the head.
Speaker 4:And then one of them complained that I hit them. I'm like, oh, people hitting me. So then I have to go to the police station. So then I'm in the police station for about two hours and then they basically just say, look, you have to pay the bill and pay the compensation. If you don't pay this, then you go to jail. You have to pay the bill and pay the compensation. If you don't pay this, then you go to jail for the night. So it's fucked up.
Speaker 1:Normally, the police will side with the Thais. This is how they walk the thing.
Speaker 4:That sort of saved it a bit.
Speaker 1:The one police one was actually very good, to be fair, but I'd I'd been dancing on the pole, yeah yeah, as I as I usually do normally his move is to take high heels from some random lady or lady boy yeah, wear the high heels and start dancing.
Speaker 4:The poles you know so yeah, so I've been doing that I had a video of it on my phone that one of the girls had then sent to me, the. The girl that was then arguing with me the staff member that she'd come to the police station was here all up at all the cctv, and, um, I said, where's the CCTV of everyone kicking me in the head? Oh, we don't have that.
Speaker 4:I thought, well, that's very convenient, of course. So yeah, so I had this video and and the girl that was then shouting at me in the police station had given me her phone number about an hour before this had happened, because she wanted to meet up with me. Yeah. So I start telling the police on all of this. I said, look, I've not come here for trouble, I've come here for one night. I've never had trouble in Thailand before.
Speaker 1:Look, here's a video of me dancing on a fucking pole, doing stupid shit, dancing on a fucking pole with all of the girls around fucking, screaming and laughing and everything.
Speaker 4:So he wants to see this. So I show him and he starts laughing. And then I show him look, this girl. She gave me her number about an hour ago and he checked and he sees the time. And then he starts thinking okay, look, I don't think he's come down here to cause trouble. He's just been caught up in it, Because before they were very sort of. I was in the shit and I started showing him all this stuff and I was like, look, I've come here for a good time.
Speaker 1:I've got on with everybody. I enjoy myself. I enjoy with those ladies. She even gave me the number. Yeah, that's reasonable.
Speaker 4:So I've spent a lot of money in here and then, yeah, that was it.
Speaker 1:Okay, have you ever experienced bill padding anywhere in Pattaya before?
Speaker 4:What adding to the bill?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm not talking by a mistake. I mean like a systematic way in order to Like they probably want to do that yeah.
Speaker 4:I don't think so for me also.
Speaker 1:It's never happened to me like bill padding is so rare in here yeah because there are so many bars. They just really need the customers, right. They really appreciate every customer that comes in.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so they will not do that what I found in Batang is a tourist attraction.
Speaker 1:That street is a tourist attraction there's very few customers in the bars.
Speaker 4:It's a tourist trap, even I would say there's very few customers from what I could see. I know it's closed season but there's very few customers sitting in the bars talking to the girls. There's loads of westerners walking up and down with their phones out videoing it.
Speaker 4:Yeah like the bloggers, look, look look there's girls everywhere and look at these dirty bastards talking to them. So it's just a tourist attraction. And I've seen the same in Amsterdam, the red light district. There is exactly the same and I think because of that, when they do get a customer come in, they just try scamming us To drag him. Yeah, yeah, as much as they can, Because yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I think that's not a fair reason, because, well, none of it is fair. But, for example, it's low season here in Pattaya right now. Also why?
Speaker 4:would you be trying?
Speaker 1:to look after customers? Yeah, no, but when you go to any bar now they really they are so appreciative of having customers they will give you sometimes free drinks. Not much, but like every few drinks you order, you will get a free drink.
Speaker 2:Yeah for like, thank you.
Speaker 1:Thank you for coming like feeling welcome, you know.
Speaker 2:Like a feeling. Is it like the way it is here, as I have like experience the way it is? You come to the bar and then your customer in the bar. They spend for them a lot, so they would like to give you back what they can do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the ways I have yeah, yeah, that's why I think, listen, all pattaya is also a tourist attraction, right, but it's not a tourist trap like. I'm sure there are some shady bars over here and shady clubs, but I think most of the people know which clubs and bars they are and just try to stay away and if you go to any, as I said, any other random bar, you just feel so welcome there and it doesn't matter where yeah, yeah, so that's so.
Speaker 4:I was saying earlier the. So I said to my friend the first time that I came here was I've not seen any police. I've not seen any police. I've not seen any fighting or any kind of trouble, whereas back home, if you go on a night out, you're definitely going to see a fight at some point.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I get your point. But if you scroll through social media, you will always like if your, how would I say that? If your algorithm knows that you like Thailand and Pattaya, you will always see the fights, the fights, the fights. Yeah, but it's so rare in here.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so that's what I'm saying. So when I was here the first time, I said to him I'm not seeing any fighting or anything, and he was like there's nothing to fight about, everyone's having a good time. You know, the biggest cause of fights back home is women. It's people, women in ego. Yeah, you chat to my girl, you're trying to chat with the same girl, something like that. It's always over a woman and here you don't need to, it's always over a woman, and here you don't need to.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so many of them.
Speaker 4:Everyone's getting what they want. Everyone's happy.
Speaker 1:I think most of the time that there are fights here in Pattaya I'm talking about fights that involve foreigners right, I think most of the time it's because the foreigners get really drunk and really aggressive and they think someone tried to scam them or they think like someone even bumped into them and now, oh, I have to show that I'm. You know, it's always a bad idea to start a fight here, especially with ties, because you will get jumped on in a matter of seconds.
Speaker 1:yeah, yeah you see those videos coming like yeah every week you see two or three videos, but it's such a rare thing to happen here.
Speaker 4:Yeah, like I said, I've never. I've never seen it here.
Speaker 2:I can see from my eyes you saw before it's just, it's just the. I've never seen it here. I can see from my eyes. You saw before. It's just the way it is what is going on. It's just doesn't from Thai. People start to make it you probably. On the video it's like yeah, thai, like you know fighting with yeah tourists and they, but that it's just what they have that time but doesn't know like what is going on from.
Speaker 1:You think normally the ones to blame are the foreigners.
Speaker 2:No, not really, but most like most of the cases, yeah most of it.
Speaker 2:It's like I have okay, I'm working by before and but that's how I'm not working at bar. But I saw like then had a fight with a guy, a customer. Is this what's the escalating point of this trouble? Like the customer pay money for the bill but it doesn't enough for the bill so let's say the bill is 10,000 and he only paid 8,000 it probably would be like the bill is his like 500 baht, so he keep about like 500 baht to to pay like for finish the bill.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then he asked like I give you 1 000? But he did not oh yeah, and then like they make the trouble to get money okay so he thought he gave 1 000, but he actually gave 500 yeah, but that is not about he thought that he he planned about to do this. You know he wants to do this like, okay, give them 500 and then, but make a story to.
Speaker 1:To ask oh, you think it was on purpose yeah, it's like he tried to scam the bar.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he tried to to get money. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:And then I have to say. I have to say that, even after I've been to thailand many times and I you might agree with me the coloring of the bills are shit. It's very easy to get confused. Yeah, between the bills, like, the only bills that you can recognize are the 21, because they are green, and all the other bills, like the 100, 500 and 1000, they are all almost the same color.
Speaker 4:Yeah yeah, I do the same all the time.
Speaker 1:I think I put a thousand and I put a hundred yeah, yeah, oh no wrong one so I think, yeah, you're right, it might be on purpose, but it's very easy to get confused with the bills. This is why, whenever I pay I whenever, but it's very easy to get confused here with the bills. This is why, whenever I pay, whenever I pay, normally, I leave the bar at late hours, right, so it's dark and normally the bars already start to close the lighting. I turn on the torch of my phone and actually look really, really good what I'm giving, because it's very easy to get confused with the bills here. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I understand. That's how I can say it Is with the bills here. Yeah, yeah, I understand, that's how I can say is it like he's trying, like you know, like scared and, I think, like a start to, you know, like um?
Speaker 1:maybe like a hit stop in that? What do you mean I?
Speaker 2:mean like I doesn't know what is going on, but but it's like a guy you know hit the lady in the bar.
Speaker 1:He hit her.
Speaker 2:Maybe it's not like hit like that, but it's like making her slap or something like that.
Speaker 1:It's still not good.
Speaker 2:So you know the way it happened. When he walked out of the bar, the boss and all the ladies of them, you know like pull, yeah, and you know like.
Speaker 1:Hit him with the punky.
Speaker 2:Yeah and high heel.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the high heel is very dangerous from the ladyboys. It's one of the most dangerous weapons ladyboys carry here, I have a story.
Speaker 4:Okay, I don't know who it is, I won't mention names but I had a friend that was out here years ago and I'm not sure what happened, but there was an altercation he had with an 80 boy and he said I'm off. He said he looked down at her shoes and went she's not catching me in those, so he's like I'm going to run. So he started running. So the other mates that were watching Ben said she'd take off her high heel and throw it Like a ninja style.
Speaker 4:Like in slow motion, like hit him straight in the head. I think he fell over.
Speaker 1:But yeah, the high hills yeah, it's a very dangerous weapon. It can be thrown, but it's most dangerous when they hold them and actually hit the guys with the tip of the heel. That can be very, very yeah don't aim for the head, but still it can be very dangerous. I've seen videos of that before and they are quite good with those yeah with those weapons. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:I was trying to say the only time that was recent actually that I almost got in trouble. Here was with another another tourist, and I almost got in trouble. Here was with another another tourist and I almost got into a fight with him. Okay, that was because he was being really disrespectful to all the girls in the bar. So it was late at night. I can't, I can't remember what he was saying, but I just fucking hate that. I don't remember what he was saying, but I just fucking hate that. Like I don't care what the girls do, what the job is or whatever. Yeah, it's a person, you cannot be mean to him.
Speaker 4:Exactly and that's what I said to him. I was like there's still fucking people Like you know, and he left in the end. But it was quite funny because then all the I mean the cashier she was behind the bar wetting herself with laughter, um, and then he left the bar and then all the bills were like thank you so much. Like this really kind of you, because I just I just hate that most, most people have a lot of respect here, but I think some people think that yeah, most, most people understand especially the guys that came here many times.
Speaker 1:They already know that, yeah, the girls that walk in the bar will go with you for money, right, so you can call them prostitutes or whores or whatever, but it's not like First of all, it doesn't mean you can treat them like whores, right, there are people that work in the bar and most of them are really good people and you can find really good connection with some of them and just being friendly and you cannot treat them like a piece of meat Not many, but some people do treat them like a piece of meat, or talking very badly to them or looking down on them, which is the thing that I hate the most. Most of those girls are extremely smart yeah, yeah right.
Speaker 1:But they think, oh, she's a whore, she's walking in a bar, she's probably stupid. I can tell her whatever I want and she will not even understand yeah, that's why I'm always quiet when people talking in the bar. What do you mean?
Speaker 2:That's time sometime. I'm like to like be quiet when people Speak and then I customer speak. Is each other in a bar?
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's like I'm time you pretend like you're not here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because I am probably.
Speaker 4:You won't try to listen to what they say.
Speaker 2:Try to listen to what they say and know what they already like, who they are okay, so you learn them by listening to them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay and then like really, I, that's how I have one time it's like it's talking about me but I'm just quiet in the table, yeah. And then I hear it talking about me, but I'm just quiet on the table, yeah. And then I hear they're talking about me like I'm not finished and gonna say my name, like who, who they're talking about, and I and they just come up like are you talking about me? Yeah, that's it, and they're like quiet after that.
Speaker 4:Of course it was chalk, but we have the same Because I have so many girls that.
Speaker 1:Talking. Speaking about us In time.
Speaker 4:And then I can't understand at all. I'm like I know you're talking about me, I don't know what on earth you're saying Listen, I think it's.
Speaker 1:How would I say that? I think it's a mutual thing. So we talk about the ladies, right? Us guys sometimes we not gossip a lot, but we give our review or whatever, and the ladies they do the same. When you go to a bar and you've been with a lady, everyone in the bar will know everything about you already.
Speaker 2:And they're going to talk to each other about you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's a nice man, he's good, he's bad small big anything you know. Yeah, yeah, big anything you know.
Speaker 2:It depends on, like, do you have about talent to? I mean like, do you have, like talent about understanding Thai language, or you know them language?
Speaker 1:But he can learn.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if you can learn, and then whatever.
Speaker 4:I wish I could learn so when they are talking about me. Yeah I can just say, I know what you just said. Yeah, like you know everything what is it?
Speaker 1:I have this with russians, so I can speak russian and I can understand russian.
Speaker 1:Let's say 80, okay, yeah so if russian people sitting next to me and can understand most of the conversation and it happened to me several times that I was sitting next to russian guys or even have altercation with someone and there were russians involved and they start speaking about me and I just look at them and I answer them in russian and they are shocked yeah, like you just told me, you want the the thing to come down and you just call me scatina, which mean beast. You you know you're talking bad to me and they're like oh, no, no, no, no, no, I'm so sorry. So it's very funny when you know the language that people don't know, that you know.
Speaker 2:So it's good to learn more than just one language you have.
Speaker 1:Of course. How many languages do you know? Two. You need more.
Speaker 2:You need one more you learn Chinese you know Two, you need more, you need one more. You learn Chinese. Yeah, there are many, but probably understand something, but not at all Okay, at all conversation.
Speaker 1:And you can speak how many languages? One, just one, just English.
Speaker 4:I know three or four words in Thai, which is really bad. Okay, I know a bit more than Cambodian, okay but still the bad words. Yeah, I know them, it's not bad words, just the things I need to say.
Speaker 2:It's this good way to learn language.
Speaker 1:That is what you're interested yeah, but I think most of my Thai that I can speak, most of it, is curse words because of my wife. My wife used to really like to speak in curse words. This is her style. They call it pak ma, pak ma. This is her style. Between mouth of a dog, right, when she speaks. She doesn't know how to speak with respect, but it doesn't mean she's bad, but every second word will be a curse, you know. So. I know all the curse words in Thai and in Cambodian. I know many, many, even some of them in Surin language. I know Surin language.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So I'm very proficient about that. It's not that good because sometimes it makes me, when I'm drunk, sometimes I speak something not nice.
Speaker 4:What does Wailo mean? Wailo.
Speaker 1:Wailo.
Speaker 4:Wailo I don't know I hear people. Someone called it me at the bar Wailo.
Speaker 2:Yeah In Thai word yeah, why what does?
Speaker 4:that say, say again. Why low? Why low? Why low?
Speaker 2:I never heard this word. Why low, why low?
Speaker 1:What means?
Speaker 2:You know, it's like you know hair.
Speaker 1:No, I don't think they call no, you have hair. I don't think they call it doesn't mean hair you have hair.
Speaker 2:I don't think they call you bald man, waylaw.
Speaker 4:Waylaw. I don't know, Waylaw waylaw.
Speaker 1:You need to get it right, I think. No, someone say to me like you know who, but I can imagine who I know, one lady that speak like that all the time, that speak like that all the time, and I think we spoke about that earlier.
Speaker 4:I still don't understand, but I hear someone say. I hear someone say to someone else yesterday I said to Ty Wylo also. Yeah. So then I'm like what does this mean?
Speaker 1:I never heard this word before. I only asked because you said it. Maybe it's not a curse word, maybe it's just.
Speaker 2:In Wylo, wylo. Maybe it's not a curse word, maybe it's just in Waira. This is like Waira. It's like do you? Okay? This is in my, in my. That's not.
Speaker 1:That's not the way you have to understand that in Thai culture it's in Asian culture it's actually not a bad bad to speak to someone like, for example I'm a fat guy, right, and when I walk on the street they call me Pum Pui Iun and they not mean to insult you. It's not an insult. Some people will get it wrong and say, oh, why they call me a fat? Yeah, because you are fat, but they are not calling you because they want to insult you.
Speaker 4:This is just a cute nickname for you, it's just observational, yeah, yeah, yeah, I've had times where I've not gone to Cambodia for a while and then I go back and they go you're more kilo. Now, like the first thing they say what that means.
Speaker 1:You're more kilo. Ah, you're more kilo. Yeah, Ah you more kilo.
Speaker 4:The first thing they say you more kilo now.
Speaker 1:I'm like thanks. How are?
Speaker 4:you, but yeah, I know what you mean.
Speaker 1:But it's not an insult. Many people will get it wrong. But this way, maybe, maybe if she was right and she called you a bald man, okay, that's still an observation. You are not that bald, you are getting there, but you're not there yet.
Speaker 1:It will take some time and I want to know, because the first time I met you you know what. I'll go even a bit a different direction. First, you said you never had trouble here in Pattaya, but I've seen you got shot two times. I see I've seen you got shot by gun two times. Yes, so I, I already spoke to the listeners, I told them about that night. So this is the guy that we were in with that got shot with a bb gun two shots to the chin.
Speaker 4:Really he was bleeding. Oh, he was bleeding. Let me see. Well, because I was here, you can't see, it's a.
Speaker 1:BB gun. You saw that our mutual friend got one here. Yeah, I shot him in here. No, not him, not him. Another guy he shoot me here, yeah. On the chin and the other guy After that he had a head as well, but yeah.
Speaker 4:But that not bleed, but no he didn't, but it was crazy.
Speaker 1:And after that we kept on drinking. He threw up and then when we are both, all of us, bleeding Well, I was not, but there were we went to juju and they are bleeding, you know, and they just let us inside and we are sitting there drunk, everyone is they can let zombies in the nightclub Like that. Yeah, they let us to juju, really yeah, and he was bleeding and the other guy, our mutual friend, was bleeding from the cheek, heavy bleeding, and they just let us inside juju.
Speaker 2:Doesn't matter if you have some blood. No, as long as you're not a ladyboy.
Speaker 1:They're letting you inside.
Speaker 2:No, no, but it doesn't matter if you have blood, they doesn't care about it, they just want money.
Speaker 1:No, if they wanted money. And again I say fuck Juju, because we are speaking, that Juju are not letting ladyboys inside so unless unless with guy even that, not always. You told me right. The other day someone tried to go with a customer and they will not let her inside.
Speaker 2:No, no no, Not you. For me it's just like.
Speaker 1:If you go to juju with me, for example, they will let you in.
Speaker 2:For going together like this. Probably, yes, but it would be like for one guy with two ladies, like just one and one, so one customer, one ladyboy, yeah.
Speaker 4:Okay, what if you have two? But sometimes I have more than one.
Speaker 1:Ladyboys yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, this is actually bringing us to the subject. So the first time I met you was at a ladyboy bar named delirious, and how you find yourself in that scene with high heel, with high heels, yeah wearing high heels. Well, it wasn't his high heels, he was taking them from the ladyboys and was dancing over there. That's your move. We spoke about it already, but how you went inside the ladyboy scene.
Speaker 4:I think it's the first time I came to Pattaya six years ago. I thought I'll dip my toe in.
Speaker 1:Okay, your toe or something else, dip my toe.
Speaker 4:it's just a phrase that says like stick my foot somewhere and I say stick your foot, dip your toe in the water to see if it's cold.
Speaker 1:So I say dip the toe or dip something else.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, that's enough.
Speaker 4:So, yeah, so I thought I'd try, because I'm in Thailand.
Speaker 1:Okay. So, I thought, why not? And you were with your friends that time, right yeah, and they knew that you're going with a ladyboy and no judgement, no, okay, so I mean back home, I don't really tell anybody here, I don't really tell anybody here, I don't care although to be fair, I've told some more friends but friends back home, kind of joke and they say, oh, I'm going to Thailand in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 4:Oh, you're going to fuck ladyboys all the time.
Speaker 1:So I just say yeah, yeah, ok, at least you're gonna fuck ladyboys all the time.
Speaker 4:So I just say yeah, yeah, okay and I'm being honest, but they think, they think I'm joking, yeah, so I'm like, yeah, yeah, okay, but so yeah, I kind of just uh grew from there really and now like at your average trip, for example this one, are you going exclusively with ladyboys or you are mixing things around?
Speaker 1:okay, you don't have to answer if you don't want no, I'll answer.
Speaker 4:Um no, it's just uh laughing at how you put it, but uh, yeah, yeah, probably 80% is ladyboys Okay. Sometimes I'm not a lady.
Speaker 1:Yeah, by mistake. Oh shit, I thought you were a ladyboy. Okay, let's go.
Speaker 4:I've actually got disappointed before.
Speaker 1:Really.
Speaker 4:On a trip I was on recently, we were adamant that this girl that my friend was talking to was a ladyboy. And after a while you get to sort of know and we were adamant we're like, no, definitely a ladyboy, and that's what we were looking for. And then when he found out she wasn't, he's like, oh, what a fucking disappointment that was.
Speaker 2:So, like you think, her, her's a lady?
Speaker 1:No, no, they meet someone and they think, oh for sure, she's a lady boy.
Speaker 2:Ah, okay, but she's not, but she's not.
Speaker 1:And then they're very disappointed.
Speaker 2:I'm really glad to hear.
Speaker 1:Normally it happens, the other way you know that people go to the bars and they meet someone and they're like, oh, she's amazing, and then oh, she's a ladyboy. And then some of them getting really nasty with them and some of them just say, ah, okay, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know they're like me. What do for for me, my turn, the mother of I have is like man, a guy come to talk to me. Or like 20 minutes, like provenance, yeah, and and he start equation. It's like you lady already boy, but taught me me for a few minutes, like 10, 10 minutes, it's like for two or three days. I said I'm a ladyboy. Oh, I'm sorry, I just thought you were a ladyboy, I think you're a lady. And then sometimes it's like oh, you look like a lady.
Speaker 2:You look like a lady and yeah, but you know like, try like to look like lady and yeah, but you know like, try like to try with lady boy. I have like a lot of guy try with lady boy for first time. They say like with me for first time with lady boy. But do you believe them?
Speaker 1:no, because I say this to people but I'm joking with them.
Speaker 4:I'm always like I never, I've never done it before. You want the first experience.
Speaker 1:It's my first time. It's like the drug addicts that are always chasing the first time of using heroin. You're chasing the first time of using a ladyboy.
Speaker 2:I've been with a ladyboy. If I hear that, I'm going to be like roll my eyes.
Speaker 1:Come on, come on. He say, say yeah, then you go with him and then he suck your cock like a professional.
Speaker 2:I give you like a reward more than you give me money.
Speaker 1:I think that's very common, but most of the guys. Yeah, sometimes they get confused and they go to bars, but I think most of the ladyboys now they stopped hiding it, so most they will immediately almost. If it's not exclusive ladyboy bar, if it's a mixed bar, they will tell you I'm a ladyboy because they don't want the the drama after yeah, yeah it.
Speaker 1:It wasn't, it's used. It wasn't like that before. Sometimes the ladyboys were hiding it, you know, but how far can you hide it? Come on, even if they had the surgery and they are post-op, you can still understand. Something is different, right?
Speaker 4:yeah, yeah, it's so. The first time I came to Pattaya I couldn't tell really like some there are some. Very no, no, there are. I couldn't tell Really no like some.
Speaker 1:There are some very no. No, there are signs that you can find on 99% of the ladyboys.
Speaker 4:Oh, I know now, but the first time I came I was Because my friends had been before. They were more.
Speaker 1:Experienced in that area? Yes, more than me.
Speaker 4:So I was going, wow guys, look, look, look all those girls over there and they're like ladyboys and I'm like no no, no and then they're like yeah, they are. And then, uh, but yeah, I was like constantly like that okay but yeah, and what?
Speaker 1:what are the signs now? How do you tell? Because later, no, no, that's important because some people, same you will be, will come here for the first time and they want to know how they can tell someone is a ladyboy. I will start with you. What do you think is the main sign? Because I I'm aware that the ladyboy sometimes don't aware of the signs.
Speaker 4:Okay.
Speaker 2:For a lady boy, for a lady boy, how to know.
Speaker 1:I'm a foreigner or I'm a guy, doesn't matter, you don't have to be a foreigner. And I see a girl, how can I know that she's a lady boy?
Speaker 2:Her. Look on her shoulder Okay. It's like wide shoulder, yeah, second hit is like how hips what do you mean? So lady boy is um, it's a man body so it doesn't have hip yeah, like a lady. So it's not round, it's straight more it's straight more and if it have, so probably they wear like pants there are special pants that do padding.
Speaker 1:That will make them look like, but they can do surgeries.
Speaker 2:Now for that, yeah, yeah is now for that, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I see the feet, the feet.
Speaker 1:Okay, probably it's like maybe half small, maybe half big, but yeah, but most of the thais have small feet, even the men, like, if you go like, I think the average in thailand for feet for men is 40 or 41. Yeah, yeah, so it's much smaller than the Western average. The Western average is 44 or 43.
Speaker 2:For me, I'm a 42 or 43. Yeah, like that.
Speaker 1:So you're a bit above average in Thailand, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, then about lady voices more than easy to say like they're going to be, like how they dress up, how they make up, is like more perfectly than lady, okay, what your tells so I think the the easiest and the nicest one is that probably going to be very beautiful okay.
Speaker 1:I agree with that.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, yeah if they're incredibly beautiful, then something is yeah, because now the ladyboys beautiful.
Speaker 1:Then Something is yeah, there's a good 80. Because now the ladyboys look much better than the ladies here.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a good 80% chance it's probably a ladyboy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if she's stunning.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah and yeah, I think again. Feet height yeah, yeah, I'm listening, yeah, feet height yeah, I'm listening, yeah, feet height.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but the Thais again, they are shorter.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, I know.
Speaker 1:And I know Thai girls that are, let's say, the average in Thailand is 163. Okay, and I know girls, that girls, genuine girls that are above 163. Right, and I know ladyboys that are under that. So, genuine girls that are above 163, right, and I know ladyboys that are under that. So.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's yeah, I think, the one thing that I've.
Speaker 1:The bulge, the bulge.
Speaker 4:That's a big giveaway If you can see that.
Speaker 1:No, not bulge. Bulge is when you wear underwear and you not tuck your cock behind, so you have. You know, like that, this is called bulge, bulge, bulge.
Speaker 2:I see. So yeah, oh, I see.
Speaker 1:So yeah, but normally the ladyboys like to tuck their cock behind the wall.
Speaker 2:so yeah, yeah, I do also.
Speaker 4:I don't know how you do that.
Speaker 2:Is it very easy.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But is it Can do that, and then when you open it like pow, it's like a spring and open it like pow it's like a spring so the the one thing that I've noticed recently is the size of the head.
Speaker 4:This is the head size of the head okay yeah normally the head are bigger, bigger okay.
Speaker 1:Are you carrying a regular head to compare? No no, really, I'm asking how can you compare it? You compare it to your head I've got.
Speaker 4:No, it's like I've got a hat that I put on. If it fits, okay. If it's too big, no, uh, I don't know. I've just. I've just noticed recently when I've looked to try and spot them.
Speaker 1:Pim is eating and she's shy. Pim, you can eat while we are podcasting. Don't worry, let's go. You can eat. She's eating a mango and I don't know what else. I think I don't know what it is pineapple over there ok sorry everyone. No, it's ok, she's hungry. Go on, I'm Pineapple Over there.
Speaker 2:Okay, sorry everyone. No, it's okay.
Speaker 4:She's hungry. Go on, I'm listening, I'm listening, yeah, okay, anyway, my theory they have a bigger head.
Speaker 1:Okay so.
Speaker 4:Not all, but it's more noticeable on when they're really thin, okay, yeah, I agree with that. So I know a lot of. Then they look like a bobblehead yeah yeah.
Speaker 1:A small body and a big head?
Speaker 4:Yeah, I know what you mean. It's more noticeable. Then I'm not going to have the tape measure measuring people's heads, no, but the thing you said with the head before, that's a good idea.
Speaker 1:People can carry a head and just put on them. Okay, probably a lady boy. Probably a lady boy. Oh, that's a lady. My system it's working, unless you have. You are a guy with monstrous hands. Just compare the hand size to her. So normally the Thais have big hands. Okay, for example, pim's hand is bigger than my hand. Yeah, it's very easy, probably fucking huge yeah, my hand bigger than yeah.
Speaker 1:Scott's hand, but exactly, and my hand also, and without the nails, right, without the nails. She got her new nails today. They are very long and very sharp. Yeah, you can hear that, but that's the best way I find. Yeah, yeah, because I never seen thai lady with big hands and the lady boys always so just high five them and then okay, that's a lady boy and probably gonna gonna make more because like plus more with now, is it?
Speaker 1:yeah, but ladies can wear also, but the, the thais, normally have long fingers. I don't know, the Thai men normally have long fingers. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Good for Adis.
Speaker 1:Maybe we will not tell you what she just showed, but it's not appropriate to the podcast.
Speaker 4:She's picking up some manga. That's what she's doing.
Speaker 1:Like that? Yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure of that. And have you found that, like I'm not getting into specific sex stuff because I don't think that's something that's interesting for people to talk but you find that there are better lovers for you? When I mean lovers, you know what I mean. But no, I'm serious, because sometimes people will say that the ladies here are more of a starfish and they don't really enjoy the act. Right, okay, you pay them, you do whatever and that's it. And most of the people that I know that goes with ladyboys say it's a completely different experience with ladyboys. They are into it, they are there. Sometimes they are extremely horny, even sometimes more than you yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, I'd agree.
Speaker 4:Um, I think I'm not the kind of person that takes the girl back and then, well, I say girl I mean lady, lady boy, whatever. Um, why not take a girl back and put them straight on the bed?
Speaker 1:Okay, of course, on a date. So Generally You're warming them up first.
Speaker 4:Generally, they want to eat.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the Thais eat a lot.
Speaker 4:Straight away. Yeah, so Can I eat in your room? Yes, okay, so, but yeah, I like I sit, I Eat with them, chat with them, I chat with them. I've had such a fucking laugh with ladyboys Okay, they've had me in tears laughing. Yeah, I don't know, it's yeah, just different.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 4:They're very funny, but they're very energetic.
Speaker 1:Some of them yeah.
Speaker 4:I think, yeah. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, I agree with what you say. They're more into the act itself More appreciative kind of thing.
Speaker 1:But when you say energetic, it makes me so. There is a problem in the ladyboy community in thailand that many of the ladyboys are on drugs. I know the ladyboy, the ladies, also take drugs, but I think the numbers are much higher, as far as I know in the ladyboy community and sometimes when they are too energetic it can like throw you off. You say, is she on something? Like some guys don't care. You know Some guys are also taking drugs here so they can do drugs together. But when someone is too energetic it always throws me off and I say, okay, what is going on here?
Speaker 4:You know, you notice that, yeah, but what drugs are they on?
Speaker 1:So the most popular drugs in Thailand and I'm not talking about ganja and marijuana, because you know and hash, whatever, because it's legal. So we are talking about ice mostly, and yaba. So do you know what yaba? I don't know what you mean. Okay, so ice is just, let's call it, crystal meth, okay, Okay, yeah.
Speaker 1:And the Yaba is also meth, but it's come in a tablet shape and it's mixed with concentrated caffeine, okay, caffeine. So when you take it you can stay awake for two, three days. And actually this is what caused the craziness, because when a person doesn't sleep for a while, his mind is getting distorted, you know, and he can imagine stuff and he he sure. Oh, there is a ghost in front of me, but there is nothing there, of course, but it's because of they are depraved of sleep, because of they've taken such big amounts of caffeine and methamphetamine together. So those are the most common drugs. You can find people on cocaine here, but it's very expensive and I'm not doing drugs myself, right, because the listeners know my story. I'm not into that anymore. But yeah, it's very common here.
Speaker 1:You never notice, like when you spoke you spoke, let's say, with a random lady or ladyboy that her eyes are getting wide like moving around yeah, so this is normally the cause from ice, okay, and when she's blabbering, you know she tried to speak and she jumped from one subject to another subject, you know this is ice, normally okay. Yeah, yeah, I don't know okay, it's good that you don't know, because, yeah, no, I didn't, I'm sorry that I ruined it for you. Now you thought, oh, she was very energetic, she's fun, and now you know she's high. You know, I'm sorry I ruined it for you, but it wasn't my you just explained yeah, but now, now he will check for it.
Speaker 1:You know now, every time he will meet someone that is energetic, he will try to say oh, I'm not energetic, I don't kiss anybody. Pim are you on drugs, scott? Are you on drugs, are you?
Speaker 2:you know, like the meme is like Spiderman 3, spiderman 3, yeah, the three Spidermans that show each other. You know that.
Speaker 1:The meme. It's a meme, a famous meme, that you see three Spider-Mans pointing at each other.
Speaker 2:You know that meme. Who is the real Spider-Man?
Speaker 1:So who's the high? Who's high? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Doesn't matter, it depends on. I kind of said I have a friend, I I can. I said like I have friend and I had to before I have friend. I'm trying to help them also yeah but it, but it doesn't work to help them.
Speaker 1:So it's work.
Speaker 2:If they want it to, yeah, but they have to put their foot also but I know some friend but they are doesn't doing I mean like doesn't make any trouble to me, so we're just talking, we just chat like that, but hang out sometimes but doesn't hang out in the way like they do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but as long as they are not making you feel like, oh, now you are sitting with us, please, pim, do also. That's okay. Right, if they are doing it in their own privacy and their own time and not try to influence other people. The problem is that sometimes they can influence other people and I've seen it happen even inside bars okay, at the back rooms of the bars. I wish it wasn't there, because it's terrible. In my opinion, all the how would they say?
Speaker 4:all the drug, the drugs that affect the effect of the drugs here in Thailand are devastating do you feel that they, some of them, feel they need to do that to do the job? I don't know.
Speaker 1:I really don't know to, to be you. I think you need to ask them. I think some of them might. I think some of them just doing it because they enjoy it. You know, and think about it more. It's a very demanding job walking in the bar. So you walk there for at least, let's say, between eight to sometimes even 12 hours every day, and then you still want to have fun, because it's not a fun job working in the bar, but you are tired. So, hey, I will take something that will make, give me energy, and now I can go, party, dance, maybe not even sleep, go to the bar tomorrow, make more money. It's creating a loop, a very dangerous loop yeah, yeah but other things to make.
Speaker 1:You have energy, we have you know, yeah, like and stuff like that, but like an energy drink or something like.
Speaker 2:Um, uh, how to say that?
Speaker 1:like coffee yeah, even carton.
Speaker 2:You have carton that is kind of legal here yeah, yeah, but it's um, that is, uh, it's not really good way to to drink all the time, you know, just but I think he asked very good question before.
Speaker 1:What do you think you think there is, uh, the problem that, no, the reason that the ladyboy community here using more drugs, you think it's because of their job yeah, probably probably yes. Because they have to go with men and be happy all the time.
Speaker 2:Men did also. Men asked to travel also. So what they can do, they just you know, they want they, just they did it for money. So it's.
Speaker 1:No, no, I think. Tell me if I'm wrong. I think you meant like in order to forget you know Like. You meant that right.
Speaker 4:I meant more to function.
Speaker 1:Oh to function.
Speaker 4:Doing the job so like you say, you know you're in the bar for a long time.
Speaker 1:Just to have the energy for it.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so I mean, like you say you could do eight till four, six in in the morning, and then if a customer takes you home and then, and then you've got to eat and whatever yeah, and then it could be. I mean, I'd I said look you, you want to go sleep, go sleep, it's okay.
Speaker 1:And then everyone if the lady was here. If you want a free, free place to sleep, just meet Scott. Very easy, you don't have to fuck with him, okay, okay okay.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so then you know, at that point, you know it's a long time.
Speaker 1:It might be that also. I think it's a mixture of everything that we spoke here. Maybe it's, as you said, to get more energy, maybe it's to forget, and maybe just the influence, as she said, that sometimes the customers want them to do drugs with them, and I've seen that happen. So I know, we know the same story. So we've seen that happen once in the bar I think you were there also, but I don't know if you noticed that that some customer tried to influence the girls.
Speaker 1:Hey, do that with me yeah, yeah I'm feeling.
Speaker 2:I'm feeling I'm feeling bad to to saw that, but but I'm not, I'm not shouting people from. This thing did because I saw it like they did that for money okay and after that, after they get money back home.
Speaker 1:So nothing doesn't, it doesn't matter I wanted to start something new in the podcast. I wanted to ask you like three questions that I will ask everyone that coming here and I think I thought about it a lot. I haven't told you about it, but I think you'll think it's a good idea also, pim. So I have three questions for you and I want just your answer. So what is your favorite Thai dish? You have to choose one.
Speaker 4:I'm not sure if it's that Thai, but I have chicken with cashew nuts yeah, it's Thai.
Speaker 1:yeah, it's a Thai dish, so chicken cashew.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:How do you call that in Thai? The chicken cashew. I asked her a purpose when she took a bite because I wanted to see her reaction.
Speaker 2:So chicken with cashew nut? Yeah, and that is called.
Speaker 1:Okay. Yeah, it's called Chiew Nut with chicken and have some green leaf and vegetable, and it's served like that, with the rice on the side right yeah.
Speaker 2:It is stir-fried.
Speaker 1:So that's your favorite thai dish. What is your favorite bar in pate favorite? Bar yeah you can say any bar that you want I don't know, you know what? For this question, I give you two options.
Speaker 1:You can choose between two options yeah no, I just choose one like delirious, delirious whiskey lounge yeah, okay, which is, if people don't know, it's a very known ladyboy bar which I also serve a lot of whiskeys, so it got the best like whiskey selection. So even people that don't care for ladyboys they go there to drink. Like you can find almost any whiskey, from the cheapest one to the most expensive, yamazakis and stuff like that yeah and what is your favorite hotel to stay when you're in Pattaya?
Speaker 4:my favorite hotel yeah um the nicest hotel I've stayed in is the Amber Hotel. Yeah, um the nicest hotel I've stayed in is the Amber Amber.
Speaker 1:Where is that?
Speaker 4:Amber Shop.
Speaker 1:Of course you know.
Speaker 2:Of course you know, Come on mate. Come on.
Speaker 1:So where is that Pim? Yeah, I'm listening.
Speaker 2:Is it um Soi 18?
Speaker 4:Soi 18? It's not, it's just off. Soi Bokau.
Speaker 2:Soi Bokau. Yeah, it's not far from Soi Bokau. Like mmm.
Speaker 1:At which end of Soi Bokau, south end or north end? Oh, I don't know, On on. On the middle, is it the Amber Hotel? No, don't search it up, people will look it up, it doesn't matter. So you like the Amber Hotel.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I stayed there in Vancouver. It's very good. It's very posh, or?
Speaker 1:it's like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:It's a nice hotel.
Speaker 1:Expensive one.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I don't know how much we pay now More than usual.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because now I know both of us, we are staying in well, we can say condos or apartments, which is much cheaper than staying in a hotel if you come for like a long time, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, pim.
Speaker 2:For me this is yeah, pim. For me it's quite like I don't say like my favorite hotel. Can I say it like?
Speaker 1:No, I never stayed there, but I think it's the most expensive hotel in Pattaya.
Speaker 2:no, In Pattaya.
Speaker 1:It's just above the Central Festival.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know that hotel, I don't stay there, no, yeah, yeah, you know that hotel. I don't stay there, no.
Speaker 1:But you know the prices. The prices are crazy like it's not even western prices, it's much higher than that.
Speaker 4:Yeah, no, it's really expensive.
Speaker 2:So yeah, I have experience about like you stayed there before with some customers yeah, for months or times like that.
Speaker 1:Okay, and it's really nice. You think it's worth the money.
Speaker 2:For me it's about like If you stay, I mean like if you stay in a room like close to Beach Road, I mean like have a.
Speaker 1:Sea view.
Speaker 2:Balcon, a balcony, and then you can solve yeah well, perfect from sea and and uh, patina beach. Yeah, then it's like is this, is it's a war to to pay? That much and like about the quality, about.
Speaker 1:You know, it doesn't only room, it's like gym, it's like you know you have everything on site yeah, yeah, yeah but when you compare it to something like, for example, michelle's apartment right when we did the podcast with michelle, michelle's apartment is amazing. You have a beach view, it's huge. I will not say where you stay, I can tell you after the podcast, but amazing view, right, and huge apartment. It's two, two very big rooms, nice toilet, nice kitchen and it's much less that is a yeah, it's kind of it's kind of condominium so yeah, I'm talking about the hotel yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, so there is my favorite Hilton.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Expensive girlfriend. Yeah expensive girlfriend but stayed there only two times in the past two years. Very expensive.
Speaker 2:Too much for me then.
Speaker 1:So, as I said before, now both of us moved to actually condominium. Right, we live. Yeah, it's much cheaper and you get I think you get a lot more. Yeah, this is what I feel. So they don't clean your room or you might have to bring your own towels, but it's so much cheaper to pay, like, where I stay now. I will not say, of course, where I I stay now, but I pay only 7,000 a month and it's a nice room. Right, the location is okay.
Speaker 1:It's not the best location in the world, but it's quiet yeah you find it also like do you think that on your next trip here, if you will leave and come back, or whatever, you will stay in the condominium also or you book hotel? Yeah, I think, if you will leave and come back, or whatever, you will stay in the condominium also, or you book hotel.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I think. I think it depends on the length of stay, but yeah, condos so cheap.
Speaker 1:Compared to hotels, Sorry.
Speaker 4:I don't want to say cheap, because for some people it isn't.
Speaker 1:No, but I said compared to hotel rates, yeah, yeah, it's much cheaper compared to hotels yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 4:I mean, amber hotel is nice, but I think people pay.
Speaker 1:I don't know two, three nights two thousand bucks, probably two, no more more than two thousand three thousand baht a night yeah, it's almost000?. 3,000 baht a night yeah, it's almost Hilton prices. 3,000 baht a night yeah, okay.
Speaker 4:So it's, yeah, it's a nice hotel, but yeah, it's expensive.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that price for two nights. You can stay at condominium for one month.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. So when I first got here, I was staying in hotels and then I was like, right, if I'm gonna stay here sort of longer term, I need something cheaper. I can't be spending that every night.
Speaker 1:And soon, if you your plan that we spoke before will work out, you will have to, I guess, move to Bangkok and find somewhere over there. You will prefer to stay like well, I think, because you don't know Bangkok yet, but I think you don't want to stay in the middle of everything. Right, you probably find something outside, in the outskirts of the downtown Bangkok.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, yeah, probably. But yeah, I don't know how much it costs there, but Do you know, Pim, how much condominium can cost in Bangkok?
Speaker 1:Do you have any idea?
Speaker 2:For a start, like a start apartment probably. It's like a 5,000?.
Speaker 1:So 5,000 is the cheapest you can get.
Speaker 2:Yeah for condominium. This would be like if you stay in Bangkok.
Speaker 1:Let's say a place like that.
Speaker 2:A place like this would be like 10.
Speaker 1:Okay, that's a reasonable price.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, if you stay in like a.
Speaker 1:So let's say, 20-30% more expensive.
Speaker 2:That's really manageable yeah so I probably say, like it's to have a cheap room, like she plays for, for many people working, you know, because I can break up is have a lot of people staying yeah, the people that are not from Bangkok, yeah, they can't do because they can't work for work so this is so. It depends on the place. Modern models depend on the place, like Pattaya also Some places far from the beach. It's much cheaper.
Speaker 1:I find it much more pleasant to stay where the Thais stay. I think it's more funny where the thais stay. I think it's more funny like you meet, more you know when you're stuck with with, let's say, in a place that almost all the the the people that live there are, let's say, foreigners or expats or whatever. How do you want to call them?
Speaker 1:yeah, they are much more serious. They are taking everything seriously. And when you stay, for example, I really can say like nirankondo, you know nirankondo. And when you stay, for example, I can say like Neron Kondo, you know, neron Kondo. No, so it's the place that most I think of the Thai workers, ladies and ladyboys, stay there.
Speaker 4:It's so much fun.
Speaker 2:It's so much fun over there. Where is that? Where is that? I can show you it's not far from here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's not far from here, but it's just. You know it's not far from here, but it's just. You know it's like how many buildings there are. Four buildings, right, four buildings full of Thai people and some foreigners. Some foreigners think how fun it is. You go there. You know everyone you meet. Oh, where do you work? Oh, I work that bar. Okay, I can visit you tomorrow. You know it's much better than staying with uptight foreigners that. Oh, I heard you fart last night. It's too loud. Can you fart in the toilet or whatever? You know they're always complaining.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of rules. The one I'm staying in now it's yeah.
Speaker 1:What kind of rules?
Speaker 4:Like, if you fart too loud, 2,000 baht fine If you do anything if you get in. If you go to loud, two thousand bar fine if you do, if you do anything, if you get in. If you go to the pool and you get in the lift, like when you get in you can't be wet.
Speaker 1:If you're wet, you're fine really no, it's a big list of them. When I came to this place, she gave me a contract and she wanted me to sign. But I'm a Jewish guy, come on, I will read the contract. So I read the contract and I was just writing on it what I don't agree with and I tell her, and she couldn't understand. I say, okay, you can translate whatever you want.
Speaker 1:I can tell you, she translated and she changed the contract for me yeah there were three things that I didn't really agree with, and she changed it yeah, no, that's good. I mean yeah, like I read my contract for example, it said that everything that break in the room is my fault so wait. So I said what about normal? Well, like things get broken by themselves. You know, thing gets old. For example, you're sitting on a sofa. A sofa like that will not stay the same way for 20 years. Yeah, so I say, what about Verente? She added it in.
Speaker 4:So sometimes you have to check Everything is broken yeah.
Speaker 1:No, they say everything that's broken, everything. No, every furniture that's in the apartment is on the rent. I forget how they wrote it, but that is my responsibility if anything happens to it. It sounds like, okay, there is a lightning strike outside and the window is broken. How is that my fault, you know? So, yeah, it's fucked up know yeah.
Speaker 2:So yeah, when you're looking for rent room whatever in an apartment or condominium you have to read it, yeah, before you sign you read it normally, not only I'm do like it doesn't have to sign like this thing they probably do more like them just pay money and get keys and save room Like I have. But you have to pay.
Speaker 1:Yeah. You need to pay the advance. Right? You have to pay the For a month, for one month before, mm-hmm. Okay, that's not bad, but you paid that also right A month ahead.
Speaker 4:So yeah, I paid for this month. Then they take deposit For another month.
Speaker 1:For like electric and water. Oh, that's it, not for a full month. No, okay, that's good For me. They took for a full month here. Four Full full month oh, full. So I pay. I'm paying seven here. They took another seven as a deposit.
Speaker 4:Oh, okay.
Speaker 2:Which is not bad, it's still okay. But you know, yeah, yeah, you get that money back. Just, you had to stay for a, for a house, like you had to stay for a six month.
Speaker 1:Then you can get back like six months, and then you get back like that way okay, yeah, but in this place, for example, the longer you stay, the price is going down yeah, yeah so a monthly is 7 000. If I stay for more than a year is 5 500, which? Then you say okay, that's great yeah, for that price.
Speaker 1:Yeah, definitely yeah, so I think we'll end this episode with me eating a mango yeah okay, scott, first of all, I want to thank you very much for doing that. I hope you had fun as much as we had. I think we had. We shared some good laughs thank you so much. No, thank you and it took us a while to arrange that. I know we spoke about it a few times and always changed the dates and a few drunk conversations, yeah, but it happened eventually. It happened Eventually, it happened, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:And I want first of all, you can say whatever you want to plug or say to the listeners if you have anything.
Speaker 4:No, nothing really.
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