{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":0.02,"endTime":3.8,"body":"Welcome to the Deficient Vegans podcast, episode 48. I'm the muscle deficient"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3.8,"endTime":5.98,"body":"vegan here with the protein deficient vegan. Do you want to say hi?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":6.26,"endTime":6.66,"body":"Hello!"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":7.1,"endTime":11.2,"body":"Hi, everybody. So this week, we're going to talk about the veganism is privilege argument."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":11.48,"endTime":13.96,"body":"There are a lot of good points to cover here. We want to make sure that we do"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":13.96,"endTime":17.94,"body":"it justice because there are some valid concerns, so we'll go through it in"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":17.94,"endTime":18.78,"body":"detail and talk about it."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":18.9,"endTime":22.04,"body":"The bottom line is the cheapest thousand calories that you can buy in almost"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":22.04,"endTime":26.24,"body":"every country on Earth are plant-based. So what's actually going on with this privilege argument?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":26.84,"endTime":30.22,"body":"We'll also cover our myth of the week this week, which is that microwaves kill nutrients."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":30.5,"endTime":31.66,"body":"I've been seeing this one a lot."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":31.84,"endTime":34.92,"body":"Yeah, we'll talk about it. But first up, new news."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":35.92,"endTime":36.64,"body":"New news."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":37.04,"endTime":41.38,"body":"So the first piece of news is Billie Eilish, who is a popular singer."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":41.38,"endTime":42.54,"body":"I think it's probably an understatement."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":42.64,"endTime":44.1,"body":"Yeah, very popular singer."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":45.32,"endTime":48.28,"body":"But she did an interview with Elle. Oh, she's also a vegan."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":48.42,"endTime":49.7,"body":"By the way. And an animal activist."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":49.92,"endTime":52.9,"body":"Yeah, she did an interview with Elle. And in that interview,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":53.02,"endTime":54.22,"body":"they asked her for a hot take."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":54.64,"endTime":57.58,"body":"And it was hot. People are pissed. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":58.0,"endTime":62.22,"body":"So her hot take was eating meat is inherently wrong. And you can't say you love"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":62.22,"endTime":64.38,"body":"animals and also eat them. Like, you can't do both."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":64.78,"endTime":67.64,"body":"Yeah. And that has been quite the controversy, apparently."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":67.98,"endTime":72.88,"body":"It's taken over every social media app I have. Yeah. People are mad."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":73.2,"endTime":73.34,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":73.58,"endTime":74.96,"body":"They're really mad. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":75.51,"endTime":78.67,"body":"Yeah. And I think that was kind of the inspiration for this episode,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":78.67,"endTime":81.65,"body":"because a couple of the arguments that people were making against Billie Eilish"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":81.65,"endTime":82.85,"body":"are some of the things we're going to talk about."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":83.03,"endTime":85.93,"body":"Yeah. Well, a lot of what I'm seeing is I can do both."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":86.11,"endTime":86.51,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":87.01,"endTime":90.87,"body":"And then, but like, I think one of the other reoccurring things that I'm seeing"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":90.87,"endTime":95.85,"body":"is like, Billie Eilish is a white, rich, privileged."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":96.33,"endTime":96.73,"body":"Right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":97.03,"endTime":98.23,"body":"American. So like."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":98.37,"endTime":98.91,"body":"Which she is."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":99.05,"endTime":102.07,"body":"She is. Doesn't mean she's wrong. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":102.79,"endTime":102.89,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":103.23,"endTime":106.55,"body":"So, I don't know. I thought it was really cool that she said that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":107.61,"endTime":113.29,"body":"Yeah. Next piece of news, the Ridgeland Farms that we talked about an episode"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":113.29,"endTime":116.81,"body":"or two ago, they have a bunch of beagles they use for lab testing and a group"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":116.81,"endTime":120.69,"body":"of animal activists went out there and had a- A protest."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":120.87,"endTime":121.05,"body":"Basically."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":121.05,"endTime":125.69,"body":"A protest, basically. It got arrested. But this was either like the second or"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":125.69,"endTime":128.03,"body":"third time that Ridgeland Farms has had activists show up."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":128.19,"endTime":131.69,"body":"So, I guess they're getting tired of that. And now they've come to some sort"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":131.69,"endTime":135.99,"body":"of agreement where they have agreed for an undisclosed amount of money to sell"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":135.99,"endTime":137.55,"body":"off 1,500 of the beagles."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":138.09,"endTime":142.33,"body":"Yes. To, not just to like the labs and stuff, but they're going to basically"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":142.33,"endTime":146.85,"body":"release them and give them distributed to a bunch of rescues and stuff in the Wisconsin area."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":146.95,"endTime":148.41,"body":"Yeah, so that people can adopt them."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":148.55,"endTime":152.35,"body":"Right. So, and we mentioned before that they were losing their breeding license."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":152.69,"endTime":154.51,"body":"First of all, I don't know if it's called a breeding license,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":154.57,"endTime":157.33,"body":"but they're losing whatever license they need to operate in their state,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":157.33,"endTime":159.37,"body":"but they're apparently not losing their federal license."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":160.13,"endTime":163.11,"body":"So I'm not sure if that just means they can move states and keep going."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":163.31,"endTime":166.37,"body":"Yeah. Or really how this is going to impact their operations in general."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":166.39,"endTime":169.89,"body":"Because even after these 1,500 get sold off, they've got about 500 beagles left."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":170.33,"endTime":174.27,"body":"Yeah. So it's unclear what is happening with the other 500 beagles."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":174.41,"endTime":177.55,"body":"I think that people are still calling to release them, obviously."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":177.95,"endTime":182.03,"body":"But I think it's also unclear what happens to their business. Does it shut down?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":182.57,"endTime":186.17,"body":"What is going on? I think it's a little unclear what's going on. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":187.03,"endTime":191.09,"body":"If you're interested in adopting one of the beagles, I think you'd probably"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":191.09,"endTime":193.83,"body":"just hit up some of the Wisconsin rescue shelters because."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":194.17,"endTime":195.17,"body":"They're going to have a lot of beagles."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":195.31,"endTime":196.35,"body":"They're getting flooded with beagles."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":196.73,"endTime":199.93,"body":"All right. And then the last piece of news we have is that there is a new vegan"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":199.93,"endTime":203.57,"body":"cream cheese from Kite Hill that has twice the protein of a dairy-based cream cheese."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":204.25,"endTime":206.69,"body":"This isn't exactly something where you're going to be eating a bunch of cream"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":206.69,"endTime":207.81,"body":"cheese to hit your protein goal."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":207.97,"endTime":211.37,"body":"But I think it's interesting because a lot of the plant-based cheese substitutes"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":211.37,"endTime":215.55,"body":"don't really have protein. And you were getting a little bit of protein from the dairy cheeses."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":215.83,"endTime":219.73,"body":"Yeah. I think this could be extra interesting if you're someone who bakes with"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":219.73,"endTime":225.53,"body":"cream cheese, because my normal go-tos are like Violife and then Philadelphia"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":225.53,"endTime":227.47,"body":"makes a pretty good vegan cream cheese."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":227.63,"endTime":230.55,"body":"But both of those are coconut oil based. So if you get them hot,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":230.73,"endTime":231.89,"body":"they will, in fact, melt."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":232.17,"endTime":235.75,"body":"Yeah. So I would assume this one probably doesn't melt as much of it as protein."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":236.21,"endTime":239.83,"body":"Yeah, that could be interesting. And I'll take any excuse to eat cream cheese."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":240.91,"endTime":244.81,"body":"All right. So let's get into the main segment here talking about is veganism"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":244.81,"endTime":251.13,"body":"privileged? So there are five general arguments that coalesce around this topic."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":251.39,"endTime":255.53,"body":"Yeah. That we've seen. We're on social media a lot. We're in Reddit a lot. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":255.91,"endTime":258.85,"body":"These are the things that we've seen. There are probably others too,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":258.85,"endTime":262.47,"body":"but these seem to be the top hitters that I'm seeing a lot."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":262.65,"endTime":265.07,"body":"Yeah. And I've heard some of these in person too. Like nobody was really like,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":265.13,"endTime":268.39,"body":"I am making this argument. But like the things they say all tend to fall into these categories."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":268.59,"endTime":269.41,"body":"What comes up. Right."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":269.75,"endTime":273.43,"body":"So the five are cost. Just vegan food is more expensive is the argument."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":273.43,"endTime":277.55,"body":"Access, where it's like fresh produce isn't available in food deserts,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":277.63,"endTime":279.49,"body":"rural areas, or low-income neighborhoods."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":279.91,"endTime":283.65,"body":"There's also time or labor. So cooking from scratch requires a kitchen,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":283.81,"endTime":286.21,"body":"equipment, energy, and knowledge about making the food."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":286.45,"endTime":290.09,"body":"And culture is another big one. The argument is that veganism is like a Western,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":290.37,"endTime":294.71,"body":"white, colonial framework imposed on cultures that traditionally have animal-based food ways."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":294.89,"endTime":297.53,"body":"And then the last one we're going to talk about is just the nutritional concerns."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":297.73,"endTime":300.51,"body":"So people say, like, you have to know a lot about nutrition."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":300.51,"endTime":304.33,"body":"You have to basically be a dietician to make it through a vegan diet healthily."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":304.65,"endTime":306.17,"body":"So that's one of the arguments there."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":306.73,"endTime":309.83,"body":"So, there are definitely some valid points in these arguments,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":309.91,"endTime":314.19,"body":"but most of them shouldn't prevent you from trying to adopt a more vegan diet."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":314.69,"endTime":318.95,"body":"Yeah. I mean, there are definitely some cases in which maybe your life would"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":318.95,"endTime":323.55,"body":"be at risk if you were trying to do a plant-based diet for various reasons. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":323.75,"endTime":327.73,"body":"But I think broadly, there are things everyone can do."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":327.99,"endTime":328.43,"body":"Right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":328.61,"endTime":330.31,"body":"To lean more towards plant-based."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":330.49,"endTime":334.07,"body":"Yeah, for sure. So, let's kind of dive into each of these categories individually."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":334.41,"endTime":337.73,"body":"So, the first one we're going to talk about is cost. So the cost of a vegan diet."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":338.07,"endTime":341.41,"body":"So some of the good points that have been made are like Beyond Burgers,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":341.57,"endTime":344.99,"body":"oat milk, vegan cheese, specialty protein powders, a lot of specialty vegan"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":344.99,"endTime":346.59,"body":"products. Those things can be pretty expensive."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":347.03,"endTime":350.67,"body":"Yeah. I mean, especially if you're comparing like liquid just egg,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":350.85,"endTime":355.81,"body":"if you directly compare that to like a dozen chicken eggs or if you compare"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":355.81,"endTime":362.27,"body":"like Beyond ground beef with regular ground beef, like those things are going to be more expensive."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":363.23,"endTime":367.77,"body":"Usually because they're smaller companies. Yeah. But also because meat and dairy"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":367.77,"endTime":371.59,"body":"products get subsidies from the government that make the cost lower than they really should be."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":371.91,"endTime":376.61,"body":"Yeah, definitely. So if your mental image of veganism is a cart full of Trader"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":376.61,"endTime":380.15,"body":"Joe's specialty products and small company products, then yeah,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":380.23,"endTime":383.15,"body":"it probably does seem pretty expensive and that probably would be pretty expensive. Yes."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":383.15,"endTime":388.51,"body":"If you are buying like six vegan cheeses from Rebel Cheese every week,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":388.69,"endTime":391.21,"body":"yeah, that's a hundred bucks. That's going to be pricey."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":391.33,"endTime":395.45,"body":"Right. And then, you know, not just the cost of the food, but also kitchen equipment"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":395.45,"endTime":398.23,"body":"is pretty expensive and you might need a little more for a vegan diet."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":398.41,"endTime":401.45,"body":"And then, you know, depending on your housing situation, you might not have"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":401.45,"endTime":405.01,"body":"a kitchen at all if you're like maybe a college student or some other housing situations."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":405.25,"endTime":408.13,"body":"Or if you do have a kitchen, maybe it's like really small, not very well equipped,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":408.25,"endTime":409.49,"body":"your stove sucks, something like that."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":409.65,"endTime":412.61,"body":"Right. And like, so if you were on an omnivore diet, maybe you'd be eating out"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":412.61,"endTime":415.71,"body":"a lot more like fast food restaurants where the price point is a"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":417.55,"endTime":420.23,"body":"Maybe a lot of those restaurants don't offer a plant-based option."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":420.79,"endTime":425.43,"body":"Or maybe a lot of the vegan recipes will use like blenders that can be kind"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":425.43,"endTime":427.83,"body":"of expensive to get a good one."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":427.97,"endTime":431.03,"body":"Yeah, blenders, especially if you're trying to blend things like the nuts and stuff."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":431.43,"endTime":433.95,"body":"Yeah, like the cashews. Really the stronger blenders help and the stronger blenders"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":433.95,"endTime":435.51,"body":"are significantly more expensive."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":435.59,"endTime":438.79,"body":"So you might not be able to make, you might have, you're trying to make queso"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":438.79,"endTime":441.33,"body":"with your cheaper blender and it's like, oh, this is kind of shitty."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":441.49,"endTime":444.65,"body":"So I think if you were making alfredo sauce on an omnivore diet,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":444.81,"endTime":447.47,"body":"like you don't need a blender. But like if you're trying to make a good alfredo"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":447.47,"endTime":450.07,"body":"sauce on a vegan diet, you might need a good blender. Right."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":450.61,"endTime":453.75,"body":"Yeah. Things like that do factor into the cost. So they're valid arguments."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":453.85,"endTime":457.51,"body":"But let's talk about some of the data around the cost of a vegan type diet."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":457.97,"endTime":463.11,"body":"So there was a 2025 narrative review that looked at 25 years of global cost data."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":463.25,"endTime":466.41,"body":"So this is not U.S. specific or anything. You know, we do tend to talk mostly"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":466.41,"endTime":467.91,"body":"about U.S. things because that's where we are."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":468.17,"endTime":471.19,"body":"But, you know, a lot of this conversation is also going to extend beyond that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":471.19,"endTime":475.45,"body":"So this was looking at global cost data, and it found that whole food plant-based"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":475.45,"endTime":479.31,"body":"diets, which is basically, you know, a vegan diet that is mostly whole food, right?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":479.47,"endTime":483.05,"body":"So not like packaged processed products. A lot of times whole food plant-based"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":483.05,"endTime":485.15,"body":"is also no oil, no salt, anything like that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":485.88,"endTime":489.44,"body":"But it found that whole food plant-based diets are generally associated with"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":489.44,"endTime":493.78,"body":"spending less on food than omnivorous diets, which is a non-vegan diet,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":493.88,"endTime":497.36,"body":"across a wide geographic range. So all across the globe, basically."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":498.04,"endTime":502.42,"body":"The spending on legumes, grains, and produce, which are kind of the staples"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":502.42,"endTime":506.58,"body":"of a real whole food vegan diet, was more than offset by removing expensive"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":506.58,"endTime":508.24,"body":"animal products, mostly meat."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":508.24,"endTime":513.58,"body":"Yeah. I think this one is interesting because I think a lot of omnivores don't"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":513.58,"endTime":516.12,"body":"really understand what a vegan would eat."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":516.52,"endTime":520.7,"body":"So I think they're always thinking like you're only eating fruits and vegetables."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":520.98,"endTime":523.24,"body":"Right. Which when you look at the price tag of fruits and vegetables,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":523.4,"endTime":526.48,"body":"like if I needed to eat 2000 calories of just fruits and vegetables,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":526.64,"endTime":528.16,"body":"like that would be really expensive."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":528.4,"endTime":531.44,"body":"Especially if you're trying to get fruits out of season or you don't like really"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":531.44,"endTime":533.16,"body":"have a fresh market really close to you."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":533.16,"endTime":536.88,"body":"But most of our calories aren't coming from fruits and vegetables."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":536.9,"endTime":541.9,"body":"They're coming from like beans and tofu and like lentils and other stuff like that."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":542.16,"endTime":548.46,"body":"So that's often overlooked by like omnivores hypothesizing on what a vegan diet might look like."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":548.46,"endTime":553.24,"body":"Yeah, definitely. There was also another 2024 analysis that found that a low-fat"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":553.24,"endTime":558.18,"body":"vegan diet cut daily food costs by about 19% versus the standard American diet."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":558.42,"endTime":562.82,"body":"And standard American diet is kind of the typical medical terminology for what most Americans eat."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":562.96,"endTime":563.1,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":563.69,"endTime":568.03,"body":"That was mostly also driven by the savings on meat. Turns out meat's pretty expensive."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":568.77,"endTime":572.03,"body":"Yeah, especially when you compare it to like beans and lentils. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":572.27,"endTime":577.43,"body":"And then there was another trial in 2024 specifically for type 2 diabetics that"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":577.43,"endTime":583.29,"body":"found that a whole food plant-based diet ran about $9.78 a day compared to $15.72"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":583.29,"endTime":585.63,"body":"a day for a comparable omnivorous diet."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":586.03,"endTime":590.37,"body":"That's a pretty significant difference. Yeah. That's like almost 30% drop."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":590.37,"endTime":594.45,"body":"And it's actually getting worse because inflation data is showing that meat,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":594.67,"endTime":599.39,"body":"poultry, fish, and eggs are the food category that has the fastest growing inflation rate."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":599.53,"endTime":602.29,"body":"It's up 36.4% since 2020."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":602.63,"endTime":604.97,"body":"So every year, basically, a"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":604.97,"endTime":608.81,"body":"non-vegan diet gets more expensive compared to the whole foods vegan diet."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":608.99,"endTime":612.97,"body":"That kind of makes sense with population growth, too. Like, there's only so"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":612.97,"endTime":619.85,"body":"much land we have to grow or to, like, raise meat for consumption because it takes a lot of crops."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":620.37,"endTime":623.05,"body":"And a lot of land for just the animals. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":623.31,"endTime":626.17,"body":"And we've seen a lot of this recently. There was an egg shortage that kind of"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":626.17,"endTime":628.45,"body":"caused a little bit of an artificial inflation earlier this year."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":629.09,"endTime":632.89,"body":"Just egg kind of came in and they sold a lot of plant-based egg substitutes."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":633.19,"endTime":636.23,"body":"Even with that, the price of eggs is still up over where it was a couple of"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":636.23,"endTime":639.05,"body":"years ago. So more people look towards those plant-based egg alternatives."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":639.43,"endTime":642.99,"body":"With that said, once you start to factor in like a lot of processed vegan foods,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":643.11,"endTime":645.03,"body":"the products from the small companies like we were talking about,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":645.27,"endTime":649.23,"body":"some of those plant-based meat alternatives, that does make a vegan diet more"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":649.23,"endTime":650.69,"body":"expensive than an omnivorous diet."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":651.09,"endTime":653.31,"body":"Yeah. I mean, if you are like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":653.83,"endTime":657.35,"body":"Truly following like a whole food plant-based diet where you're buying like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":657.35,"endTime":665.99,"body":"grains and legumes, nuts, seeds, like fresh produce versus like pre-packaged stuff. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":666.21,"endTime":670.95,"body":"It's obviously going to be cheaper, but that's true with an omnivore diet too, right?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":671.07,"endTime":674.87,"body":"Like less packaged foods, like less processed foods. If you're doing that on"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":674.87,"endTime":678.15,"body":"an omnivore diet, it's obviously going to be cheaper than buying a bunch of"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":678.15,"endTime":680.79,"body":"pre-packaged frozen foods in an omnivore section too."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":680.79,"endTime":684.99,"body":"Yeah, the frozen convenience foods for any type of diet really are the most"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":684.99,"endTime":686.39,"body":"expensive typically. All right."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":686.67,"endTime":690.63,"body":"So now what are some ways you can manage the cost of going more towards a vegan diet?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":690.79,"endTime":694.25,"body":"Frozen vegetables are a big one. They're nutritionally equivalent or sometimes"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":694.25,"endTime":696.27,"body":"even superior to fresh vegetables."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":696.97,"endTime":700.41,"body":"And they're dramatically cheaper per serving. And then you can also look at"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":700.41,"endTime":702.01,"body":"canned vegetables. That could be an option as well."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":702.15,"endTime":705.81,"body":"Yeah, and I guess the good thing about that is with canned, you don't have to"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":705.81,"endTime":707.53,"body":"eat it right away either because it's shelf stable."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":707.79,"endTime":712.03,"body":"Right. So, like, let's say you're in a cost situation where you're limited in"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":712.03,"endTime":715.03,"body":"fridge or maybe you don't even have a freezer, you know, like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":715.15,"endTime":718.23,"body":"maybe you're like in a small apartment and you have kind of one of those mini"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":718.23,"endTime":720.63,"body":"fridge situations without a freezer, you could go with canned."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":720.85,"endTime":724.69,"body":"Yeah, for sure. Yeah. And, you know, if you do have a freezer,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":724.83,"endTime":727.07,"body":"that can be a good option if you only go to the grocery store every once in"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":727.07,"endTime":727.97,"body":"a while, something like that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":728.15,"endTime":731.99,"body":"You know, a lot of the time, an issue people have with vegetables and produce"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":731.99,"endTime":735.37,"body":"is you buy it, you kind of don't use it for a few days, and then it's like,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":735.51,"endTime":737.25,"body":"you know, rotten or molding or whatever."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":737.25,"endTime":741.55,"body":"Right, and then you can't really justify the cost of buying fresh because you"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":741.55,"endTime":743.17,"body":"don't really know how long you're going to have with it."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":743.33,"endTime":744.59,"body":"Right, so frozen is a great option."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":745.29,"endTime":748.93,"body":"Um, another one is kind of the bulk grain staples, like oats,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":749.09,"endTime":751.69,"body":"brown rice, bulgur, barley, and whole wheat flour."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":751.89,"endTime":756.13,"body":"Yeah. And if, so you can buy them obviously like packaged."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":756.37,"endTime":761.31,"body":"Yeah. But a lot of stores will have, um, like the containers that you can weigh out your own."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":761.53,"endTime":765.21,"body":"Yeah. And those will be cheaper because they don't have like brand names on"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":765.21,"endTime":767.15,"body":"them and stuff. You know, they're just like a bulk item."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":767.37,"endTime":770.59,"body":"Yeah. And they're shelf stable. They last a long time. So you can stock up on it really."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":770.79,"endTime":775.05,"body":"I think that also helps if you have like limited fridge, freezer space."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":775.05,"endTime":779.49,"body":"Yeah, definitely. Also, I would definitely just like skip the alternative meat"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":779.49,"endTime":782.91,"body":"aisle if you're trying to constrain the budget for your vegan spending,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":782.91,"endTime":784.67,"body":"because those are going to be very expensive."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":785.17,"endTime":789.75,"body":"Definitely. And the other thing is, you know, a lot of those meats are based"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":789.75,"endTime":793.87,"body":"on like kind of a seitan structure. So you could make your own seitan."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":794.01,"endTime":795.07,"body":"And that's really cheap."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":795.07,"endTime":797.93,"body":"Get some vital wheat gluten, make your own. And then for protein,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":798.13,"endTime":800.53,"body":"you know, we're talking about skipping the alternative meat aisle."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":800.63,"endTime":801.73,"body":"So you might be like, okay, protein."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":802.19,"endTime":805.67,"body":"So some of the cheapest protein staples globally are vegan sources,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":806.05,"endTime":810.33,"body":"dried lentils, dried split peas, dried chickpeas, dried black beans,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":810.53,"endTime":813.03,"body":"oats, peanut butter, tofu in the places where it's available,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":813.17,"endTime":814.73,"body":"which is most places, but not all places."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":815.27,"endTime":817.33,"body":"TVP and vital wheat gluten, like we just mentioned."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":817.33,"endTime":822.31,"body":"Yeah. And then I think if one of your cost constraints is like having a functional"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":822.31,"endTime":827.17,"body":"kitchen and specific kitchen equipment, there are actually a lot of resources"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":827.17,"endTime":831.59,"body":"for like making, you know, cheap vegan meals without a lot of kitchen equipment."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":831.81,"endTime":833.79,"body":"But you could rely on things like canned beans."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":833.79,"endTime":837.63,"body":"You can also do some stuff like sandwiches or maybe even overnight oats because"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":837.63,"endTime":841.05,"body":"you can get like a mini fridge. You have some milk. You have some oats that are on the shelf."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":841.45,"endTime":845.03,"body":"Basically, just put those in a jar overnight in the fridge. And even if you"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":845.03,"endTime":847.01,"body":"have the fridge, you can throw some berries and stuff in there."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":847.09,"endTime":848.05,"body":"So that's a pretty good option."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":848.19,"endTime":851.49,"body":"Yeah, one of my favorite meals we've been making a lot in the last couple months is like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":852.16,"endTime":856.12,"body":"We call it a bean bowl, but it's literally just like black beans seasoned with"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":856.12,"endTime":859.3,"body":"taco seasoning and nutritional yeast. That's like very cheap."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":859.48,"endTime":861.5,"body":"You know, you just stir it up and microwave it."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":861.88,"endTime":864.6,"body":"Also, if you get access to a kitchen like one day a week or something,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":864.74,"endTime":867.36,"body":"you could go make a big pot of chili and that'll last you several days."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":867.52,"endTime":868.5,"body":"Something like that. Maybe meal prep."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":868.66,"endTime":869.06,"body":"Some options."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":869.18,"endTime":870.98,"body":"You know, like if you're living in a college dorm or something."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":871.34,"endTime":871.8,"body":"Also very cheap."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":872.24,"endTime":875.78,"body":"Yeah. So, yeah, there's like lots of recipes that don't necessarily use like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":875.78,"endTime":879.74,"body":"expensive kitchen equipment that you can find. 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And it's mostly, you know, if you get the like the Fresca style with beans,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":903.04,"endTime":906.98,"body":"it's mostly whole food. I mean, the tortilla is obviously a little processed,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":907.02,"endTime":910.88,"body":"but you could even just get like a bean bowl with a bunch of veggies on it, basically."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":911.22,"endTime":916.5,"body":"Yeah. Like, they're really good about refried beans. They've got black beans,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":917.16,"endTime":919.02,"body":"seasoned, like, potatoes."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":919.34,"endTime":925.64,"body":"Yeah. Rice you can add on. So, like, a lot of higher calorie ingredients that'll keep you full, too."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":925.82,"endTime":928.98,"body":"All right. So, I think that pretty much covers kind of the cost category and"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":928.98,"endTime":932.16,"body":"hopefully showing some of the data there. This one in particular is kind of"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":932.16,"endTime":936.34,"body":"interesting because, like, the cost argument is mostly just really not true"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":936.34,"endTime":939.26,"body":"unless you're really focusing on specialty ingredients or alternative meats."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":939.44,"endTime":943.26,"body":"I think it's good to see some data that, like, specifically has compared in"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":943.26,"endTime":946.54,"body":"these studies the vegan-type diet to an omnivorous diet. And it's,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":946.62,"endTime":949.48,"body":"like, basically every time they look at it, a whole food plant-based diet is"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":949.48,"endTime":951.82,"body":"significantly cheaper than a non-vegan diet."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":951.82,"endTime":955.48,"body":"Yeah, I think a lot of the confusion just comes from, like, the only products"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":955.48,"endTime":959.34,"body":"that an omnivore is seeing pushed are, like, your Beyond and your Impossible"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":959.34,"endTime":961.6,"body":"or, like, fake cheeses and stuff."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":961.66,"endTime":964.26,"body":"And it's like, when they go to the grocery store, those are the only ingredients"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":964.26,"endTime":967.4,"body":"they're seeing, you know, because they don't know how to make..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":968.2,"endTime":974.02,"body":"Like whole meals with TVP or vital wheat gluten, they don't really understand those as an omnivore."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":974.14,"endTime":976.74,"body":"Most omnivores. I'm not saying all omnivores. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":977.04,"endTime":978.46,"body":"But like most omnivores, when"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":978.46,"endTime":981.94,"body":"you're going to the grocery store and you're like, what are vegans eating?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":982.2,"endTime":984.96,"body":"You know, you're going to be in the dairy aisle and you're going to look at"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":984.96,"endTime":988.66,"body":"like the dairy shredded cheese and you're going to look at the vegan shredded cheese."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":988.76,"endTime":992.36,"body":"And you're going to see that the vegan shredded cheese is maybe $2 more for the same amount."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":992.58,"endTime":994.86,"body":"Yeah. And you're going to be like, wow, that's really expensive."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":995.26,"endTime":998.18,"body":"Or you look at the vegan sour cream versus the omnivore sour cream."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":998.2,"endTime":1000.66,"body":"And it's going to be more because they're smaller companies."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1000.94,"endTime":1004.5,"body":"Right. Or like you're going to the frozen food section and you're looking at"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1004.5,"endTime":1008.1,"body":"the vegan meats. And they're obviously going to be more expensive than real"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1008.1,"endTime":1011.28,"body":"meat because it's a smaller company and the subsidies we talked about."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1011.56,"endTime":1016.92,"body":"But like I think what's usually being missed is like in the aisle with the gluten-free"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1016.92,"endTime":1020.64,"body":"flour options is vital wheat gluten, which is super freaking cheap."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1020.8,"endTime":1024.28,"body":"And you can make your own seitan at home or TVP, which is pretty cheap,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1024.28,"endTime":1028.2,"body":"that you can use as a protein source as well. So I think those are the things"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1028.2,"endTime":1029.2,"body":"that are being overlooked."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1029.56,"endTime":1034.36,"body":"And they're also not looking at like the beans and lentils. Those things are so cheap. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1035.26,"endTime":1039.62,"body":"Beans and lentils are huge. They're, I mean, some of the cheapest foods that exist, basically."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1039.82,"endTime":1042.76,"body":"And there's nothing really vegan specific about beans. I don't care if you're"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1042.76,"endTime":1045.52,"body":"a vegan or not. You've eaten beans a lot in your life, I'm sure."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1045.78,"endTime":1048.8,"body":"And they're cheap. And I think the other piece is if you say like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1048.9,"endTime":1053.96,"body":"well, don't buy the meat and dairy alternatives, I think they immediately go"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1053.96,"endTime":1057.34,"body":"to, okay, so my entire diet is just fruits and vegetables."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1057.94,"endTime":1061.06,"body":"Holy crap. If I eat 2000 calories of fruits and vegetables every day,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1061.14,"endTime":1062.18,"body":"that's going to be expensive."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1062.38,"endTime":1066.32,"body":"Right. And yeah, that would be expensive, but that's not what most vegans are doing. Yep, exactly."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1066.58,"endTime":1070.26,"body":"So I think the cost argument comes down more to like..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1071.78,"endTime":1076.6,"body":"the vast majority of omnivores really not understanding what vegans eat yeah no"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1076.6,"endTime":1079.74,"body":"That's what it is like that and i didn't either like obviously before i was"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1079.74,"endTime":1082.78,"body":"a vegan i had kind of these same ideas i was like i had to buy fresh fruit and"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1082.78,"endTime":1085.52,"body":"vegetables all the time i had to do like the impossible was just starting to"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1085.52,"endTime":1089.8,"body":"come out at some point but yeah i never really thought of a vegan diet until"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1089.8,"endTime":1092.32,"body":"i started watching like forks over knives and stuff and saw like the whole food"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1092.32,"endTime":1095.18,"body":"plant-based diet and then that was when it really clicked for me i was like"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1095.18,"endTime":1096.56,"body":"oh wait this stuff is like dirt."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1096.56,"endTime":1099.46,"body":"Cheap oh yeah even as a vegetarian i wasn't"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1099.46,"endTime":1102.8,"body":"really sure like what i would be eating as a vegan yeah i"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1102.8,"endTime":1105.8,"body":"will say i think this is why social media"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1105.8,"endTime":1109.38,"body":"is really helpful like i think social media is educating a lot of omnivores"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1109.38,"endTime":1113.9,"body":"on what vegans eat because vegans are posting their food pictures like even"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1113.9,"endTime":1116.98,"body":"if you have a smaller account and you think no one's seeing it like people are"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1116.98,"endTime":1120.12,"body":"seeing it on their for you page and stuff yeah they're seeing what you're eating"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1120.12,"endTime":1123.22,"body":"like that does help educate the public on what do vegans eat."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1123.54,"endTime":1127.12,"body":"So let's move next into talking about the access argument. And this is mostly"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1127.12,"endTime":1129.26,"body":"about like access to the optimal foods."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1129.56,"endTime":1134.8,"body":"Yeah. I actually think this, in my opinion, is one of the strongest arguments against."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1135.34,"endTime":1140.32,"body":"Right. So a lot of people live in what is kind of commonly referred to as a food desert."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1140.66,"endTime":1143.02,"body":"That terminology has technically been replaced, at least in America."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1143.24,"endTime":1146.1,"body":"Now they call it like low income and low access. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1147.0,"endTime":1152.68,"body":"And this is, you know, a real situation, millions of Americans live in basically these food deserts."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1152.74,"endTime":1157.2,"body":"And that's defined by the USDA as an area where a significant number of people"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1157.2,"endTime":1159.2,"body":"have limited access to a grocery store."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1159.52,"endTime":1163.98,"body":"And the limited access threshold is basically if you're in an urban area,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1163.98,"endTime":1168.46,"body":"it's more than sometimes half a mile away. And then they also track a mile away."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1168.58,"endTime":1171.8,"body":"And then for a rural area, like out in the country or whatever,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1172.02,"endTime":1174.5,"body":"they define it as a grocery store more than 10 miles away."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1174.76,"endTime":1175.94,"body":"And you might be thinking like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1176.78,"endTime":1181.04,"body":"In an urban area, it could be a food desert, even if it's just a little over"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1181.04,"endTime":1183.1,"body":"a half of a mile away for a grocery store."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1183.3,"endTime":1185.76,"body":"Yeah. But you have to be thinking, like, a lot of people that live in urban"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1185.76,"endTime":1186.94,"body":"areas maybe don't have cars."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1187.18,"endTime":1190.26,"body":"Yeah, exactly. And, you know, they have to get on public transportation to go"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1190.26,"endTime":1193.26,"body":"to the grocery store. You can't really carry a whole bunch of groceries back on the bus."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1193.4,"endTime":1197.52,"body":"So there's a lot of stuff like that that factors into what makes this low access."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1197.54,"endTime":1198.7,"body":"And they're all really valid."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1198.96,"endTime":1202.62,"body":"Yeah. And you might not really think about them if you have a car and you can"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1202.62,"endTime":1205.0,"body":"just kind of drive to the grocery store and that's not a problem for you."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1205.06,"endTime":1206.72,"body":"But there are real concerns here. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1206.94,"endTime":1210.44,"body":"There are millions of people who basically have to rely on public transportation"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1210.44,"endTime":1211.24,"body":"to get where they're going."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1212.1,"endTime":1214.04,"body":"Or walk even, you know? Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1215.48,"endTime":1219.68,"body":"Also, fresh produce in remote areas is like genuinely more expensive."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1219.94,"endTime":1223.86,"body":"You know, off-season produce, fresh produce in somewhere that's not near farms"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1223.86,"endTime":1226.9,"body":"that grow it. That stuff just gets more expensive the farther away you get from the source."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1227.14,"endTime":1230.26,"body":"Yeah. In these food deserts where you do typically get a lot of your food are"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1230.26,"endTime":1234.86,"body":"convenience store type options or like corner stores. And those stores mostly"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1234.86,"endTime":1238.72,"body":"stock like cheap, calorie-dense, animal product-heavy options."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1238.8,"endTime":1238.92,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1239.81,"endTime":1243.61,"body":"Think even just like the convenience store that's attached to a gas station."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1243.77,"endTime":1246.97,"body":"Right. Like the kinds of things you might see inside of a gas station store."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1247.27,"endTime":1251.51,"body":"Yeah, you're not going into the gas station and buying your bulk beans and grains."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1251.87,"endTime":1251.97,"body":"Right, yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1252.05,"endTime":1252.65,"body":"So, yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1253.11,"endTime":1258.07,"body":"They might have like some of that stuff, but they don't usually have a very good variety. Right."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1258.23,"endTime":1261.49,"body":"And, you know, for the people who live in these areas, a large portion of their"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1261.49,"endTime":1262.77,"body":"food comes from places like that."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1263.03,"endTime":1263.33,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1263.65,"endTime":1266.35,"body":"Because maybe they only go to the grocery store like once every two weeks."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1266.55,"endTime":1271.19,"body":"Yeah, or maybe fast food restaurants. Yeah. They might have access to those and eating from those."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1271.37,"endTime":1274.55,"body":"They're putting those in locations specifically to cater to people that are"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1274.55,"endTime":1277.03,"body":"in low access environments so they can basically sell them food."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1277.29,"endTime":1281.11,"body":"And then also people who are in a houseless situation, if they're getting food"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1281.11,"endTime":1283.55,"body":"from like pantries, churches, things like that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1283.69,"endTime":1286.67,"body":"I mean, a lot of the time you just you have to eat what's available to you to"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1286.67,"endTime":1289.33,"body":"survive and you don't really get options. Oh, yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1289.73,"endTime":1293.83,"body":"And, you know, there's a little bit of philosophy there, but you definitely"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1293.83,"endTime":1296.97,"body":"can't eat strictly a vegan diet in a lot of those cases because a lot of your"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1296.97,"endTime":1297.87,"body":"choices have been taken away."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1297.87,"endTime":1302.03,"body":"And you don't know when your next meal is coming or what it's going to be. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1302.33,"endTime":1305.15,"body":"You're not really in a situation where you can choose. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1305.31,"endTime":1309.37,"body":"And I think that holds true even if you're not houseless, but you're like very"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1309.37,"endTime":1312.57,"body":"low income where maybe you're on government programs."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1312.85,"endTime":1315.69,"body":"Yeah. Or you are shopping at like a food pantry."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1316.77,"endTime":1320.37,"body":"Yeah, you just might not have a lot of choices there that you can make."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1320.55,"endTime":1324.23,"body":"Right. Or if you're in a situation like you're elderly and you're on something"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1324.23,"endTime":1327.17,"body":"like Meals on Wheels where they're bringing meals to you."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1327.31,"endTime":1330.79,"body":"Yeah. A lot of those programs don't really offer like a vegan vegetarian option."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1331.11,"endTime":1332.69,"body":"You're kind of stuck with whatever you get."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1333.27,"endTime":1338.07,"body":"Yeah. There was an experiment basically that dropped a full service supermarket"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1338.07,"endTime":1339.55,"body":"into an urban food desert."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1340.1,"endTime":1341.94,"body":"which has basically made it not"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1341.94,"endTime":1344.92,"body":"a food desert anymore. This is not a vegan-specific experiment they ran."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1345.16,"endTime":1349.3,"body":"But just putting the supermarket into the food desert basically improved the"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1349.3,"endTime":1353.4,"body":"food security and, more interestingly, added sugar intake dropped."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1353.9,"endTime":1358.86,"body":"So this shows that the constraint here is just strictly geographical and not"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1358.86,"endTime":1361.84,"body":"about dietary philosophy or dietary preference."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1362.02,"endTime":1365.38,"body":"They didn't tell these people to eat healthier foods. It's just they had access"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1365.38,"endTime":1367.74,"body":"to the supermarket and they started eating healthier options."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1367.74,"endTime":1369.92,"body":"They're going to make different choices if they have choices available."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1370.1,"endTime":1374.12,"body":"Right. So that shows that this is a real issue, but this is not an issue that"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1374.12,"endTime":1377.86,"body":"is really specific to veganism at all. Like the access to healthy food."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1378.2,"endTime":1382.04,"body":"I mean, if we're talking about access to healthy omnivorous food or access to"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1382.04,"endTime":1384.2,"body":"healthy vegan food, the problem is the same."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1384.36,"endTime":1387.5,"body":"It's just they don't have access to healthy options in general. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1387.9,"endTime":1393.34,"body":"But, I mean, aside from the healthy food, if the only place you can shop is"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1393.34,"endTime":1395.66,"body":"a convenience store or a gas station store..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1396.37,"endTime":1399.07,"body":"you're kind of limited to whatever they offer. You know what I mean?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1399.55,"endTime":1402.81,"body":"Yeah, exactly. So some of the things that you can do if you're in this kind"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1402.81,"endTime":1406.53,"body":"of environment and you want to kind of strive towards a more vegan diet,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1406.67,"endTime":1407.71,"body":"a more plant-based diet,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1407.95,"endTime":1412.37,"body":"are focus on some shelf-stable things when you are able to make it to the grocery"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1412.37,"endTime":1414.95,"body":"store or even shelf-stable things that your convenience stores might have."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1415.41,"endTime":1418.83,"body":"These are things like canned beans, canned lentils, canned tomatoes,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1419.17,"endTime":1423.49,"body":"peanut butter, rice, oats, dry pasta, nutritional yeast."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1423.69,"endTime":1426.95,"body":"And they have those soy milk cartons that are actually self-stable."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1427.09,"endTime":1428.31,"body":"You don't even have to keep those in the refrigerator."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1429.31,"endTime":1432.75,"body":"So, you know, as you go, you can kind of stock up on a lot of these shelf-stable things."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1432.97,"endTime":1435.97,"body":"Also, again, like the frozen vegetables, frozen fruits, just,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1436.15,"endTime":1439.33,"body":"you know, this is from the standpoint of can't get to the grocery store very often."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1439.59,"endTime":1442.77,"body":"So you can buy more of the frozen stuff, bring it home and freeze it. Yep."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1443.09,"endTime":1446.87,"body":"You can also buy seeds. And in some cases, I mean, I know some people might"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1446.87,"endTime":1449.71,"body":"not have like even a yard to grow things. Right. But you could buy seeds and"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1449.71,"endTime":1450.91,"body":"maybe even grow some stuff inside."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1451.39,"endTime":1454.67,"body":"Even if that's just herbs and spices, because those can be kind of expensive."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1454.67,"endTime":1457.79,"body":"but they're actually a lot of those are pretty easy to grow so you"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1457.79,"endTime":1460.71,"body":"could grow your own herbs and spices and stuff and then"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1460.71,"endTime":1463.89,"body":"in the u.s if you're on our snap benefits or our"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1463.89,"endTime":1466.99,"body":"ebt benefits which is basically a welfare system"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1466.99,"endTime":1471.39,"body":"for food if you're on those they actually have specific allowances and provisions"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1471.39,"endTime":1476.57,"body":"for seeds and food producing plants because the idea there is maybe you can"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1476.57,"endTime":1480.39,"body":"use some of this extra allowance to help you grow your own food at home a little"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1480.39,"endTime":1482.93,"body":"bit that's really cool i mean you're probably not gonna be able to self-sustain"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1482.93,"endTime":1486.43,"body":"entirely off your home garden but it will definitely help supplement. Mm-hmm."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1487.8,"endTime":1491.62,"body":"Also related to SNAP, specifically in the U.S., there's something called Double"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1491.62,"endTime":1496.66,"body":"Up Food Bucks that basically doubles your SNAP spend allowance on fresh fruits"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1496.66,"endTime":1497.92,"body":"and produce in some markets."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1498.12,"endTime":1501.76,"body":"So if you kind of look around for where you live, Google Double Up Food Bucks,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1501.94,"endTime":1506.64,"body":"you can find some places that will allow you to basically spend double on those things."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1506.88,"endTime":1511.94,"body":"That's neat because it kind of offsets the fact that like very processed foods"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1511.94,"endTime":1515.04,"body":"are cheaper on like a calorie basis."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1515.04,"endTime":1519.54,"body":"Like you're getting more calories for less money. So, I think people tend to"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1519.54,"endTime":1523.18,"body":"gravitate towards the highly processed foods because they need those calories."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1523.42,"endTime":1525.06,"body":"Yeah. But this kind of offsets that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1525.3,"endTime":1531.1,"body":"Yeah, definitely. Also, some places that are a food desert type situations,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1531.1,"endTime":1534.8,"body":"and this isn't really U.S. specific, but some places have community gardens."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1535.06,"endTime":1538.04,"body":"Yeah. So, you can kind of participate in a community garden if that's available."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1538.34,"endTime":1541.12,"body":"I know when I was living in Memphis, they had something like that."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1541.2,"endTime":1542.38,"body":"And I always thought that was really neat."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1542.62,"endTime":1544.04,"body":"Yeah. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1544.74,"endTime":1548.24,"body":"You could start a community garden. There you go. If this is like something"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1548.24,"endTime":1552.54,"body":"that's interesting to you and you want to give more options to people in situations"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1552.54,"endTime":1555.68,"body":"where they don't have a lot of choices, instead of judging them for not having"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1555.68,"endTime":1557.74,"body":"choices, we can make community gardens."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1558.04,"endTime":1560.08,"body":"Make it easier for them to get food and have choices."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1560.24,"endTime":1563.8,"body":"That can also help plant the seed, pun intended, about veganism, right?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1563.92,"endTime":1564.44,"body":"That's true, yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1564.6,"endTime":1567.6,"body":"So if you're starting this community garden and suddenly you're growing a bunch"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1567.6,"endTime":1570.06,"body":"of food, people are probably going to eat the food there. Right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1570.24,"endTime":1571.9,"body":"You can give them recipes to follow."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1572.08,"endTime":1572.5,"body":"There you go."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1573.12,"endTime":1577.34,"body":"You can also get shelf-stable grocery shipments from, like, the Amazon Fresh"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1577.34,"endTime":1581.0,"body":"Market or whatever they call it now. And Walmart Plus delivery is pretty cheap."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1581.54,"endTime":1584.9,"body":"And you can get, you know, shelf-stable things from there. So you won't have"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1584.9,"endTime":1587.3,"body":"to go to the grocery store. You just, you can have it delivered to you."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1587.66,"endTime":1591.62,"body":"Right. I think these are things, if you're trying to do a more plant-based diet,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1591.7,"endTime":1597.5,"body":"it could be, like, TVP, vital wheat gluten, shelf-stable silken tofu, some protein sources."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1597.84,"endTime":1603.26,"body":"Yeah. That if you're in a food desert or like, especially in a rural community"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1603.26,"endTime":1607.3,"body":"where they're not really catering to like the plant based people."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1607.5,"endTime":1610.96,"body":"Right. Because like, I mean, I think, you know, where my parents live,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1611.18,"endTime":1615.2,"body":"they definitely can't go to their neighborhood grocery store and get like silken"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1615.2,"endTime":1617.22,"body":"Tofu. I don't think. Yeah. You know what I mean?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1617.78,"endTime":1623.32,"body":"Both of us grew up in like very rural. The sticks. So I'm definitely familiar"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1623.32,"endTime":1626.02,"body":"with this. The grocery store is not very close."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1626.1,"endTime":1630.3,"body":"Oh, yeah. I mean, we had to drive like 30, 40 minutes to a grocery store when I was growing up."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1630.66,"endTime":1634.1,"body":"The one, there was one that was like 15 minutes away, but it just didn't have,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1634.24,"endTime":1637.5,"body":"it was really anything, you know?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1637.78,"endTime":1642.76,"body":"Yeah. They eventually built a Walmart in my town, like when I was going to graduate high school."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1644.22,"endTime":1649.78,"body":"So, yeah. I mean, if you're in like not an urban area where there aren't that"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1649.78,"endTime":1653.54,"body":"many plant-based eaters, they're probably not stocking the shelves with plant-based"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1653.54,"endTime":1658.88,"body":"protein sources. But the good thing is a lot of plant-based protein sources are shelf-stable."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1659.08,"endTime":1663.62,"body":"So like, yeah, like I mentioned, like vital wheat gluten, TVP, edamame puffs,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1664.0,"endTime":1668.92,"body":"shelf-stable silken tofu, lentils, beans, like a lot of really great protein"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1668.92,"endTime":1671.82,"body":"sources that you could buy on Amazon and just get shipped to your house."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1672.1,"endTime":1674.14,"body":"And then that's something you don't have to worry about when you're grocery"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1674.14,"endTime":1678.22,"body":"shopping. I will say there are a lot of dollar stores, like whether it's Family"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1678.22,"endTime":1679.34,"body":"Dollar or the Dollar Tree."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1679.6,"endTime":1684.44,"body":"Yeah. And a lot of those actually have pretty reasonably priced items and they"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1684.44,"endTime":1686.18,"body":"have a lot of canned foods and stuff. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1686.58,"endTime":1690.22,"body":"So that's also an option. There's a lot of like canned vegetables."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1690.52,"endTime":1694.54,"body":"Yeah, for sure. And I wanted to wrap back around to the scenario around houselessness."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1695.62,"endTime":1697.12,"body":"This is a real option."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1698.53,"endTime":1701.83,"body":"And I don't think we should be shaming houseless people for the choices that"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1701.83,"endTime":1705.91,"body":"they make because a lot of people don't have choices on what they can eat."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1706.33,"endTime":1710.11,"body":"And they might want to be vegan, you know, and they might actually care about"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1710.11,"endTime":1714.03,"body":"animals. Or maybe they once were vegan and then their situation changed and"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1714.03,"endTime":1717.87,"body":"now they don't have access to food and they can't really choose where their"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1717.87,"endTime":1719.69,"body":"next meal is coming from. So..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1721.06,"endTime":1725.16,"body":"I think the best way that we can support them if we want to give choices to"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1725.16,"endTime":1727.68,"body":"people, if this is something that you're passionate about,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1727.92,"endTime":1733.8,"body":"I would recommend you donate shelf stable items that are plant based to your"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1733.8,"endTime":1739.62,"body":"local food pantries and stuff so that there are options for people to choose that aren't, you know."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1739.62,"endTime":1743.74,"body":"I think you could definitely make an argument that somebody in that situation"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1743.74,"endTime":1748.86,"body":"could still be vegan even if they end up having to eat animal products just"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1748.86,"endTime":1752.8,"body":"because they're out of options because, you know, the definition of veganism,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1753.06,"endTime":1757.38,"body":"at least the modern definition, is basically like as far as is possible and practicable."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1757.38,"endTime":1760.82,"body":"So if you're like, if you consider yourself a vegan and you're doing everything"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1760.82,"endTime":1764.26,"body":"in your power to conform to that, you know, vegan philosophy,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1764.5,"endTime":1765.78,"body":"I think you're still a vegan."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1765.96,"endTime":1767.72,"body":"It's just, you know, your current"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1767.72,"endTime":1770.26,"body":"circumstances don't allow you to do everything you might do otherwise."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1770.48,"endTime":1774.56,"body":"You're doing everything you can. Yeah. But we can support people."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1774.86,"endTime":1775.14,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1775.36,"endTime":1781.92,"body":"By donating, like, you know, canned beans, canned lentils, vegan soups,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1782.0,"endTime":1786.32,"body":"vegan stews, vegan chilies, like canned products that are plant-based."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1786.5,"endTime":1786.7,"body":"Right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1787.0,"endTime":1792.16,"body":"Or you could volunteer with a group of your fellow vegans and run a food kitchen"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1792.16,"endTime":1794.6,"body":"in which you do a plant-based meal option."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1795.08,"endTime":1799.76,"body":"Yeah. And, you know, we went back to basically the cheapest thousand calories is going to be vegan."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1799.94,"endTime":1803.04,"body":"So if you're trying to run a food kitchen, it's probably economically a good"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1803.04,"endTime":1805.08,"body":"idea to make it entirely vegan."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1805.34,"endTime":1807.4,"body":"Although, you know, some people do have preferences."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1808.62,"endTime":1811.2,"body":"Yes. Everyone's going to have different preferences. There are some things,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1811.46,"endTime":1817.22,"body":"um, we used to do, we used to run one like a couple of times a year at one of my previous jobs."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1818.42,"endTime":1821.6,"body":"And we usually went with like spaghetti actually."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1821.9,"endTime":1824.36,"body":"And I think that you could make a vegan version of that pretty easy."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1824.52,"endTime":1827.7,"body":"Yeah. We did spaghetti, garlic bread, that kind of thing."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1827.9,"endTime":1832.44,"body":"Yeah. So yeah, substitute in some beyond or even like TVP crumbles."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1832.66,"endTime":1834.52,"body":"And most people probably aren't"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1834.52,"endTime":1836.38,"body":"going to know, but do let them know that there might be a soy allergy,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1836.52,"endTime":1838.02,"body":"Right? Yeah. Yeah. Cool."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1838.81,"endTime":1844.27,"body":"But yeah, there's stuff that you can do to support people that are struggling with having choices."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1844.61,"endTime":1850.27,"body":"Yeah, definitely. All right. So next up is the time or labor type argument against veganism."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1850.45,"endTime":1854.27,"body":"Some of the arguments here are that you have to have free time to be able to"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1854.27,"endTime":1855.77,"body":"cook and prepare vegan meals."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1855.93,"endTime":1858.05,"body":"And lack of free time is a big constraint for a lot of people."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1858.29,"endTime":1859.87,"body":"So I can see where they're coming from here."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1860.33,"endTime":1864.07,"body":"Cooking from scratch and this whole food diet we're talking about is cheap in"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1864.07,"endTime":1866.49,"body":"terms of dollars, but it can be expensive in terms of, you know,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1866.49,"endTime":1867.91,"body":"the hours it takes to make the food."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1868.55,"endTime":1871.55,"body":"And I don't think, you know, I think you probably know how long it takes to make food."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1873.07,"endTime":1874.41,"body":"It can take a while."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1875.23,"endTime":1878.23,"body":"Yeah. So people, you know, in some circumstances, like single parents,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1878.47,"endTime":1884.97,"body":"shift workers, multi-job households, or even like there's only one vegan in the family."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1885.21,"endTime":1887.57,"body":"Yeah. And then somebody else says like some other dietary thing."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1887.77,"endTime":1889.65,"body":"Suddenly you're making like three different meals for dinner."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1890.11,"endTime":1891.95,"body":"A lot of those things people just don't have time for."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1893.73,"endTime":1901.61,"body":"Similarly, if you have a disability, you maybe aren't really mobile enough to like cook your own food."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1901.83,"endTime":1905.77,"body":"Or if you are, maybe because of your disability, it takes even more time than it would have."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1905.91,"endTime":1906.13,"body":"Yeah, exactly."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1906.39,"endTime":1907.57,"body":"So, I mean, yeah, these are some"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1907.57,"endTime":1911.47,"body":"valid constraints. So, let's talk about those in a little more detail."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1911.69,"endTime":1914.79,"body":"So, first of all, the time is real, right?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1914.93,"endTime":1918.17,"body":"So, when possible, if you're time constrained, default to some of those convenience"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1918.17,"endTime":1922.13,"body":"options. It might be a little more expensive, but I wouldn't,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1922.13,"endTime":1925.97,"body":"you know, get overly hung up on if I can't cook from scratch, I can't be a vegan."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1926.23,"endTime":1926.57,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1927.21,"endTime":1930.19,"body":"Yeah, I mean, like, in a perfect world, I think we'd all like to,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1930.25,"endTime":1934.33,"body":"like, make our own bread from scratch every day and, like, make our own homemade"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1934.33,"endTime":1938.07,"body":"meats and make our own homemade pasta sauces and whatnot."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1938.29,"endTime":1940.01,"body":"Yeah, from the tomatoes we grew in the garden."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1940.17,"endTime":1944.65,"body":"Yeah, and I'd make our own homemade pasta and roll it out in a pasta maker."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1944.65,"endTime":1946.33,"body":"But, like, that shit takes time."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1946.41,"endTime":1946.69,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1947.03,"endTime":1948.45,"body":"A lot of time. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1948.65,"endTime":1952.41,"body":"And most people don't cook from scratch anyway. So using this as,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1952.49,"endTime":1956.73,"body":"like, the basis of comparison or the argument isn't really super fruitful."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1956.73,"endTime":1960.87,"body":"because you're saying, okay, if I switch to vegan and I start cooking on my"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1960.87,"endTime":1962.97,"body":"meals from scratch, like that's going to take a lot of extra time."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1963.05,"endTime":1964.99,"body":"And it's like, okay, well, you weren't really doing that anyway."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1965.27,"endTime":1967.27,"body":"So why are we comparing it this way?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1967.47,"endTime":1971.77,"body":"I will say that I cooked as an, well, I never cooked as an omnivore because"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1971.77,"endTime":1975.97,"body":"I went vegetarian at 12, but I did cook as a vegetarian and I have cooked as"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1975.97,"endTime":1978.89,"body":"a vegan and I don't really think it takes any longer. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1979.33,"endTime":1983.59,"body":"You know? Yeah. I think like the only part that's like maybe longer is like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1984.07,"endTime":1985.03,"body":"oh, you got to pressure tofu."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1985.57,"endTime":1987.23,"body":"Okay. Buy the super firm tofu."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1987.71,"endTime":1991.15,"body":"Yeah. And that actually leads into the next thing I saw. There have been some"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1991.15,"endTime":1995.41,"body":"studies that show that the actual time issue with switching to a vegan diet"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1995.41,"endTime":1998.29,"body":"is mostly in, like, the perceived time it's going to take."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1998.43,"endTime":2001.03,"body":"But when they actually look at, you know, cooking and comparing,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2001.29,"endTime":2003.69,"body":"there's not actually a difference in actual time used."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2003.79,"endTime":2006.93,"body":"Oh, I believe that. Yeah. The only part I could see that would be added time"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2006.93,"endTime":2010.87,"body":"is, like, if you weren't eating many vegetables when you were omnivore and now"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2010.87,"endTime":2015.57,"body":"you're incorporating more vegetables, like, those can take time to clean. and then cut."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2016.15,"endTime":2018.59,"body":"But you're going to have the same problem if you just start eating healthier."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2018.83,"endTime":2020.13,"body":"Oh, yeah. And it has nothing to do with veganism."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2020.21,"endTime":2022.91,"body":"Even if you're not a vegan and you want to start eating healthier,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2022.93,"endTime":2024.71,"body":"that's probably going to include more prepping vegetables."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2024.93,"endTime":2029.37,"body":"Oh, yeah. I think, like, what I see a lot of people saying is, like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2030.46,"endTime":2036.18,"body":"Okay, so if I'm a vegan and, like, for instance, like, I'm going to make a homemade"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2036.18,"endTime":2038.3,"body":"pizza. Like, we're going to do pizza night Saturdays."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2038.58,"endTime":2041.76,"body":"If you were going to make a homemade pizza as an omnivore, you're still going"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2041.76,"endTime":2043.56,"body":"to have to make the dough, just like I am as a vegan."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2043.82,"endTime":2047.04,"body":"Right. The only difference is I don't really like most cheeses for the pizza,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2047.08,"endTime":2048.52,"body":"so I'm going to make my own cheese."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2048.72,"endTime":2052.18,"body":"Yeah. But, like, the cheese we make takes literally five minutes."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2052.4,"endTime":2053.36,"body":"Yeah. And then it's done."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2053.68,"endTime":2054.0,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2054.14,"endTime":2057.58,"body":"You know, but, like, I think it's, like, the idea that, like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2057.7,"endTime":2060.24,"body":"oh, well, vegans have to make their own, like..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2060.46,"endTime":2065.04,"body":"vegan meats like seitan or like vegans are going to make their own vegan cheese"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2065.04,"endTime":2070.84,"body":"sauces like with cashews or tofu or like whatever and that's a larger time commitment"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2070.84,"endTime":2073.26,"body":"but you don't necessarily have to do those things yeah"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2074.82,"endTime":2078.36,"body":"And they also don't take as long as it's perceived that they take. Right."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2078.54,"endTime":2081.4,"body":"And, you know, back in the 90s when somebody was trying to be a vegan,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2081.5,"endTime":2083.1,"body":"they basically did have to make everything from scratch."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2083.16,"endTime":2086.94,"body":"Oh, yeah. But, you know, now in modern times, there are a lot of convenience"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2086.94,"endTime":2088.78,"body":"vegan options in the grocery store."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2088.96,"endTime":2091.0,"body":"Some of those are more processed. Some of those are more expensive."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2091.18,"endTime":2096.1,"body":"But there are also fairly minimally processed and comparatively priced convenience"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2096.1,"endTime":2097.24,"body":"options basically in the store."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2097.36,"endTime":2099.64,"body":"You've got like your normal rice or your beans you might have to cook from scratch."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2099.82,"endTime":2103.38,"body":"But also right next to it is like some slightly prepared version of rice."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2103.52,"endTime":2106.92,"body":"Oh, yeah. Or the slightly prepared bean mix situation."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2107.18,"endTime":2108.22,"body":"Yeah, like minute rice now."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2108.3,"endTime":2111.84,"body":"Right, yeah. So there are convenience options that will help you save a lot of time."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2111.98,"endTime":2117.48,"body":"I will say, I think where the time and labor argument really holds weight is"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2117.48,"endTime":2120.3,"body":"when it's like time and labor and also a cost constraint."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2120.5,"endTime":2124.78,"body":"Yeah. Because now it's like, I don't have time and I also don't have the money"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2124.78,"endTime":2128.28,"body":"to pay for convenience options. Yeah. But I think there's ways around that too."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2128.48,"endTime":2133.32,"body":"And again, this would come into play in the same way. even if you're not a vegan,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2133.4,"endTime":2134.26,"body":"but you're trying to eat healthier."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2134.68,"endTime":2137.06,"body":"So this is not really something I see as a vegan-specific problem."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2137.14,"endTime":2141.54,"body":"I feel like if you had, like, a meal and then a vegan version of that meal and"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2141.54,"endTime":2143.4,"body":"you were going to make them both in the kitchen from scratch,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2143.54,"endTime":2145.4,"body":"side by side, the time wouldn't really be different."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2145.5,"endTime":2148.92,"body":"It's like, what are the vegan ingredients that you can think of that are only"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2148.92,"endTime":2150.9,"body":"used in vegan meals that take a lot of time?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2151.08,"endTime":2152.42,"body":"I can't really think of any."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2152.58,"endTime":2156.48,"body":"Right. So some of the things you can do to help save time if you're trying to"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2156.48,"endTime":2160.12,"body":"eat more vegan-focused or even if you're just trying to eat healthier no matter"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2160.12,"endTime":2161.32,"body":"what your dietary preference is."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2162.3,"endTime":2168.16,"body":"are 30-minute one-pot meals. So you can do like an instant pot or a crockpot-type"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2168.16,"endTime":2170.1,"body":"meal, something like the chili we talked about earlier."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2170.3,"endTime":2175.44,"body":"Yeah, chili's a really good one, but the effort takes like 30 minutes,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2175.46,"endTime":2177.26,"body":"and then it just does its thing, right?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2177.44,"endTime":2180.32,"body":"Right. Or you could do, if you have an instant pot, you can do that faster."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2180.34,"endTime":2184.68,"body":"Or you can kind of just put a pot on the stove and just throw a bunch of stuff"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2184.68,"endTime":2186.84,"body":"in there, like an old-fashioned stew, basically."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2187.4,"endTime":2191.26,"body":"There's a lot of ways to make that. And you can make a lot of food all at once."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2191.26,"endTime":2191.72,"body":"Curries."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2191.82,"endTime":2192.18,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2192.52,"endTime":2193.06,"body":"Curries. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2193.93,"endTime":2198.87,"body":"Like one pan meals. Yeah. One thing that we like to do is basically just cut"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2198.87,"endTime":2200.25,"body":"up some bell peppers and onions,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2201.23,"endTime":2206.13,"body":"toss them in some seasoning along with some sliced tofu, throw all of that on"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2206.13,"endTime":2210.39,"body":"one sheet, throw it in the oven for 30 minutes, and then you have like easy"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2210.39,"endTime":2212.45,"body":"fajitas. Yeah. And that's cheap too."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2212.69,"endTime":2217.69,"body":"Yeah, yeah, for sure. You can also do like batch cooking in the slow cooker instant pot."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2217.91,"endTime":2221.25,"body":"Like you make something that will, you cook it once and it'll last like four"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2221.25,"endTime":2223.09,"body":"to six days, kind of like a meal prep situation."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2223.88,"endTime":2228.68,"body":"Um, those are really good. Um, also we were talking about the prep time for vegetables."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2228.94,"endTime":2232.88,"body":"You can get frozen pre-cut vegetables. Um, and like we talked about earlier,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2233.06,"endTime":2236.42,"body":"just as good nutritional quality are usually a lot cheaper than fresh vegetables"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2236.42,"endTime":2238.54,"body":"and they're already prepped. So. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2238.68,"endTime":2242.78,"body":"And a lot of them are like in steamable bags. You just chuck them in the microwave and you're done."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2242.98,"endTime":2246.84,"body":"Yeah. Um, so I would definitely lean heavily on those if you're time constrained."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2247.24,"endTime":2250.62,"body":"Same with like rice. They make rice in pouches that you can steam in the microwave."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2250.92,"endTime":2254.64,"body":"Yeah. There's a lot of like convenience options that if you maybe,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2254.64,"endTime":2259.06,"body":"maybe you're disabled or maybe you're very long time, like you can cut off a"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2259.06,"endTime":2262.76,"body":"lot of time by using some of those options and just chucking them in the microwave."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2263.04,"endTime":2265.9,"body":"Yeah. Beans are another big one. Dry beans are incredibly cheap,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2265.94,"endTime":2269.26,"body":"but you do have to kind of go through the whole soaking, cooking process or whatever."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2269.5,"endTime":2272.82,"body":"So instead you can start with canned beans, which are a little more expensive,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2273.02,"endTime":2274.62,"body":"but still fairly cheap. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2275.4,"endTime":2278.26,"body":"And they're already pre-cooked. So you basically open the can and you could"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2278.26,"endTime":2280.88,"body":"eat them right out of the can cold if you want. But, you know,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2280.96,"endTime":2283.56,"body":"use them in your dish immediately. You don't have to do any prep work with them."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2283.76,"endTime":2286.18,"body":"And then smoothies are a really fast option as well."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2286.54,"endTime":2291.44,"body":"Smoothies, I think, are a very underrated option. Like, if you're someone who"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2291.44,"endTime":2295.6,"body":"just does not have the time or ability to cook,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2295.82,"endTime":2302.64,"body":"I think smoothies are a good way to get a lot of your vitamins and nutrients in in one go."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2302.64,"endTime":2305.94,"body":"And then I don't want to say eat whatever the hell else you want for the rest"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2305.94,"endTime":2307.58,"body":"of the day, but I am going to say that."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2308.34,"endTime":2312.14,"body":"You know what I mean? Like throw in your spinach, throw in your frozen fruits,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2312.4,"endTime":2315.16,"body":"like maybe chuck in a block of silken tofu."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2315.48,"endTime":2315.8,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2316.0,"endTime":2319.98,"body":"You know, and you have like your protein, your fiber, a bunch of your vitamins."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2320.56,"endTime":2324.34,"body":"Yeah. And I think these are especially good for maybe you only have specific"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2324.34,"endTime":2326.02,"body":"times of day that are time constrained."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2326.2,"endTime":2328.82,"body":"Like maybe you can spend two hours on dinner if you really wanted to."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2329.02,"endTime":2332.08,"body":"But for breakfast and lunch, you've got like 10 minutes. You could go to a smoothie"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2332.08,"endTime":2335.8,"body":"for those and then make something more, you know, if you actually enjoy cooking,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2335.92,"endTime":2337.8,"body":"you make something more substantial for like dinner."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2338.3,"endTime":2342.54,"body":"Or whatever. So I think they're really good for like, oh, I need a lot of nutritious"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2342.54,"endTime":2346.48,"body":"food and, you know, a pretty decent amount of calories pretty quickly here. I'd go for a smoothie."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2346.48,"endTime":2352.6,"body":"Yeah, I will say like when I've worked, turnarounds are usually the most time"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2352.6,"endTime":2353.72,"body":"constraint I've ever been."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2354.08,"endTime":2357.58,"body":"And if you don't know what a turnaround is, it's basically like at a refinery"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2357.58,"endTime":2359.46,"body":"and it's some like chemical plants."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2359.78,"endTime":2364.12,"body":"Basically, they'll take units or even the entire place down for like a month,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2364.28,"endTime":2365.52,"body":"maybe two months at a time."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2365.72,"endTime":2369.28,"body":"And basically anyone that works there is almost around the clock working."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2369.28,"endTime":2374.4,"body":"So you're working like 12 to 14 hours a day, every single day on site."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2374.4,"endTime":2377.9,"body":"And then like, maybe you get one day off every 14 days. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2378.14,"endTime":2382.1,"body":"So you just don't have time to like cook. And I think this, this is the same"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2382.1,"endTime":2385.78,"body":"if you're on like shift work and you're working like a 12 hour job,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2386.28,"endTime":2389.02,"body":"you know, 12 hour shifts or like you're switching between night and day."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2389.2,"endTime":2395.04,"body":"Like, yeah, obviously that can be really problematic if you're trying to make healthy meals. Right."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2395.16,"endTime":2395.4,"body":"For sure."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2395.4,"endTime":2400.16,"body":"So I think one of the good strategies is like meal prep something easy on the"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2400.16,"endTime":2404.84,"body":"weekend that's going to last you a long time. Or like if it's only a specific"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2404.84,"endTime":2408.82,"body":"period of time where you're a time constraint, maybe you meal prep stuff and then freeze it."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2409.02,"endTime":2415.32,"body":"Yeah. So that you have meals for like that week or that month where you really don't have time."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2415.5,"endTime":2415.84,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2416.02,"endTime":2419.36,"body":"And then like another breakfast I really like. I know I talk about TVP muffins"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2419.36,"endTime":2422.0,"body":"a lot. If you listen to our podcast, you've heard of TVP muffins."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2422.18,"endTime":2426.26,"body":"Yeah. But what I like about those is they literally take 15 minutes and then"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2426.26,"endTime":2429.48,"body":"you can freeze them and then just like pull one or two out."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2430.41,"endTime":2435.85,"body":"And set it out to like defrost and you have like the perfect portable breakfast."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2436.35,"endTime":2436.49,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2436.95,"endTime":2440.43,"body":"And then I think the other piece would be if you're time constrained,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2440.63,"endTime":2444.59,"body":"but maybe you're not cost constrained, there are vegan options that you can"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2444.59,"endTime":2446.05,"body":"get at various like restaurants."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2446.37,"endTime":2449.39,"body":"Yeah. Right. I would focus on like Taco Bell, like we were talking about."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2449.49,"endTime":2452.69,"body":"You get a lot of really good, healthy, whole food, plant-based options at Taco"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2452.69,"endTime":2457.01,"body":"Bell, but also like a noodle bowl or a rice bowl or poke bowls."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2457.19,"endTime":2458.83,"body":"Asian places are great for this."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2458.83,"endTime":2463.25,"body":"Yeah, you can add a lot of tofu, so you're still getting your protein, like Thai."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2463.63,"endTime":2468.27,"body":"You can usually get like pad Thai with tofu and no egg."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2468.57,"endTime":2474.23,"body":"Smoothie places that pre-make you smoothies and smoothie bowls and any kind of, you know."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2474.29,"endTime":2478.01,"body":"And a lot of those will usually have vegan protein powders. They turn into them, so, yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2478.47,"endTime":2482.05,"body":"So, you know, there are good options if you're time constrained,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2482.05,"endTime":2485.21,"body":"but you have some money to spend there. And, you know, I think we covered some"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2485.21,"endTime":2489.29,"body":"of the, like, maybe more cost-effective options if you're also time-constrained,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2489.53,"endTime":2491.89,"body":"being around, like, canned beans and, like..."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2491.89,"endTime":2492.07,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2493.03,"endTime":2497.81,"body":"Honestly, like, canned beans and tortillas are one of the cheapest things that you could eat."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2498.41,"endTime":2502.75,"body":"And you can eat that in, like, a variety of ways and, like, flavor them up in"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2502.75,"endTime":2506.49,"body":"different ways and it doesn't take much time. So, yeah, there's definitely..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2507.65,"endTime":2510.91,"body":"ways you can eat even if you're time constrained"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2510.91,"endTime":2514.95,"body":"and you're cost constrained yeah and um"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2514.95,"endTime":2518.03,"body":"i haven't personally made any of her recipes but there's um"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2518.03,"endTime":2520.99,"body":"an instagram person called uh cheap lazy"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2520.99,"endTime":2523.85,"body":"vegan i think okay i haven't made any but she"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2523.85,"endTime":2526.87,"body":"makes cheap and lazy vegan meals so you might check that out yeah"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2526.87,"endTime":2529.83,"body":"um and then there's also uh going"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2529.83,"endTime":2532.81,"body":"back to the cost one if you're on reddit at all there's actually"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2532.81,"endTime":2536.13,"body":"a eat cheap and vegan subreddit and"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2536.13,"endTime":2538.97,"body":"there's lots of ideas in that and a lot of those are"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2538.97,"endTime":2542.87,"body":"like low effort as well right so go"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2542.87,"endTime":2546.13,"body":"on reddit get ideas ask questions the the"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2546.13,"endTime":2549.75,"body":"good thing about the vegan community and you"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2549.75,"endTime":2552.63,"body":"know you've probably heard the vegan propaganda that vegans are"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2552.63,"endTime":2556.65,"body":"horrible miserable evil people but but actually if"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2556.65,"endTime":2559.59,"body":"you go on reddit and you ask a question like hey i'm"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2559.59,"endTime":2562.23,"body":"trying to eat more plant-based foods like can you give me"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2562.23,"endTime":2566.55,"body":"some ideas you are going to be flooded with helpful responses that are very"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2566.55,"endTime":2571.03,"body":"like kind yeah because all we really want is for people to stop eating animals"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2571.03,"endTime":2576.35,"body":"yeah you know and we're more than happy to help you do that at least that's"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2576.35,"endTime":2580.39,"body":"been my personal like yeah for sure that's what i've personally seen especially"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2580.39,"endTime":2583.15,"body":"Yeah those communities on reddit that's basically what they're for is to help"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2583.15,"endTime":2587.75,"body":"people like find the Recipes and find ways to eat plant-based. So very helpful."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2588.05,"endTime":2590.85,"body":"I mean, that's literally why we started our food blog."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2590.99,"endTime":2591.17,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2591.45,"endTime":2595.59,"body":"Was like, I kept hearing stuff about like, you can't get enough protein on a vegan diet."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2596.11,"endTime":2596.51,"body":"Right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2596.73,"endTime":2600.15,"body":"And then I had all these things that we were making at home and we were just"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2600.15,"endTime":2603.57,"body":"kind of like, we should publish this so that people know you can do that. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2604.01,"endTime":2604.29,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2605.47,"endTime":2609.15,"body":"I just want people to stop eating animals. And I think most people do."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2609.35,"endTime":2613.51,"body":"So they will help you. You will get a support system is the main piece."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2614.5,"endTime":2618.18,"body":"All right. So let's move into the next kind of category of arguments here,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2618.32,"endTime":2622.46,"body":"which is basically around culture or family, maybe family traditions."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2624.04,"endTime":2628.08,"body":"So there's a lot of stuff in here. I'm going to do our best to unpack a lot"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2628.08,"endTime":2629.26,"body":"of it and talk through some of it."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2629.5,"endTime":2629.64,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2630.04,"endTime":2633.04,"body":"The general idea is that going vegan may cause some issues."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2633.18,"endTime":2636.92,"body":"Like it might mean cooking separately inside your family or it might cause some"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2636.92,"endTime":2641.16,"body":"social friction. It might conflict with some like religious obligations around"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2641.16,"endTime":2644.84,"body":"food or cultural kind of traditions, obligations, things like that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2644.96,"endTime":2649.14,"body":"There's also the problem that a lot of vegan influencer content on social media"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2649.14,"endTime":2652.28,"body":"leans very white and upper middle class."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2652.8,"endTime":2657.36,"body":"A lot of the loudest voices here are like affluent, white, tone deaf to material"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2657.36,"endTime":2661.52,"body":"constraints, talking about like their expensive cashew cheeses and oat milk"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2661.52,"endTime":2663.52,"body":"lattes every day and things like that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2663.64,"endTime":2666.24,"body":"So that's definitely a very real thing that happens on the Internet."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2666.24,"endTime":2670.54,"body":"This is kind of going to be a little historical, I guess, about plant-based eating."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2670.8,"endTime":2675.08,"body":"So let's dive into that a little. So most of the traditional cuisines worldwide"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2675.08,"endTime":2678.9,"body":"are actually plant-forward by default, which is like very heavily plant-based."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2679.44,"endTime":2683.34,"body":"Animal products historically were like a luxury that were just added on to the"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2683.34,"endTime":2684.92,"body":"meal and not the staple of the meal."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2685.98,"endTime":2690.84,"body":"The current state of like animal products and diets in industrialized countries"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2690.84,"endTime":2696.68,"body":"like America is kind of unusual historically. and it's really only made possible"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2696.68,"endTime":2700.36,"body":"by like industrial animal agriculture and government subsidies."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2700.66,"endTime":2701.6,"body":"And capitalism."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2701.92,"endTime":2702.16,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2702.46,"endTime":2702.6,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2703.3,"endTime":2708.36,"body":"So traditional Indian, Ethiopian, Mexican, Thai, Mediterranean,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2708.68,"endTime":2713.82,"body":"Japanese, West Africa, much of it, and Latin American cuisines are predominantly"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2713.82,"endTime":2717.78,"body":"plant-based with small amounts of animal protein like as extra flavoring."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2718.0,"endTime":2718.14,"body":"Right."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2718.72,"endTime":2723.48,"body":"So this is not like a Western invented style of eating."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2723.68,"endTime":2727.24,"body":"As someone who's on the internet a lot, this is definitely true."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2727.44,"endTime":2731.58,"body":"Like I can see how people think veganism is a white thing because a lot of the"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2731.58,"endTime":2735.1,"body":"influencers are white. A lot of the food content creators are white. I am white."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2735.28,"endTime":2741.7,"body":"But there's also a lot of non-white content creators that are vegan and that"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2741.7,"endTime":2746.46,"body":"are reinventing traditional dishes from their heritage and stuff."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2746.64,"endTime":2747.56,"body":"Yeah, definitely."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2747.86,"endTime":2751.4,"body":"But I can see how this becomes a narrative. Yeah. You know what I mean?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2751.6,"endTime":2755.42,"body":"Yeah. Yeah, and I think one of the downsides of social media is that,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2755.42,"endTime":2759.54,"body":"like, extreme or luxurious things tend to look the best."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2759.54,"endTime":2764.54,"body":"so people like see expensive options or flashy options and that's what kind"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2764.54,"endTime":2770.02,"body":"of gets promoted on social media so if you're just at home and you're like a"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2770.02,"endTime":2773.86,"body":"normal person just making your beans and rice that doesn't really get surfaced"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2773.86,"endTime":2777.64,"body":"but that's actually like the most common way for people to eat plant-based right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2777.64,"endTime":2782.58,"body":"I i feel like the ones that go viral or like somebody goes to like that what's"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2782.58,"endTime":2787.02,"body":"that super expensive grocery store in la that people talk about"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2787.02,"endTime":2788.62,"body":"I have no idea anyways."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2788.62,"endTime":2791.56,"body":"Is there's a super expensive grocery store in LA where they charge you like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2791.56,"endTime":2793.0,"body":"$20 for oatmeal or something."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2793.32,"endTime":2798.9,"body":"I don't know, but like, you know, but like people, but like they have a lot of vegan stuff."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2799.02,"endTime":2802.04,"body":"So you'll see a lot of videos where people are like, I went and shopped at this"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2802.04,"endTime":2803.88,"body":"place and like, look at my haul."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2804.18,"endTime":2807.46,"body":"And you're just like, holy shit, you just spent so much money."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2808.22,"endTime":2812.34,"body":"But like, I feel like because they're so ridiculous, they do better than like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2812.34,"endTime":2814.2,"body":"just normal people living normal lives."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2815.12,"endTime":2818.4,"body":"So that, that is the problem of social media, but I don't necessarily think"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2818.4,"endTime":2821.66,"body":"it's a vegan thing because like if you look at like omnivore recipe creators"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2821.66,"endTime":2825.14,"body":"or just like omnivore content creators that are just"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2825.78,"endTime":2828.96,"body":"or influencers that are just living their lives like they're doing the same"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2828.96,"endTime":2830.72,"body":"kind of thing you know yeah and"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2830.72,"endTime":2834.82,"body":"People tend to look to the lifestyle influencers or whatever as kind of an escapism"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2834.82,"endTime":2838.82,"body":"so then their mind they're like oh what if i was in la eating at this super"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2838.82,"endTime":2842.46,"body":"expensive store or whatever like even if you live there you wouldn't really"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2842.46,"endTime":2846.36,"body":"want to do that but there's this thing in your mind that's like oh that that looks cool to me."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2846.36,"endTime":2851.1,"body":"Or whatever like i don't know anything about that like that could never be me"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2851.1,"endTime":2855.86,"body":"let me go like see what people are doing right i think it's more like a curiosity"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2855.86,"endTime":2859.86,"body":"thing like what are rich people doing yeah you know that's why like the kardashians"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2859.86,"endTime":2864.22,"body":"is a popular show i personally never watched it but i know a lot of people that do yeah um"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2864.8,"endTime":2868.0,"body":"but yeah but there are a lot of amazing content creators"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2868.0,"endTime":2870.94,"body":"that aren't doing stuff like that that are like promoting like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2870.94,"endTime":2875.22,"body":"cheap meals or like here are ways to make like whole food plant-based recipes"},{"speaker":"Protein 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Right."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2930.07,"endTime":2934.35,"body":"Also, traditional African cuisines across the whole continent are predominantly plant-based."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2934.39,"endTime":2938.31,"body":"They're built on grains, legumes, and vegetables. Some of those common staples we talked about."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2939.07,"endTime":2943.29,"body":"And actually, you touched on this a little bit, but modern vegan African food"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2943.29,"endTime":2947.15,"body":"movements are specifically framed around recovering those traditions rather"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2947.15,"endTime":2950.77,"body":"than like importing a Western tradition. Because, again, like plant-based eating"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2950.77,"endTime":2953.31,"body":"is not a Western created tradition."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2953.31,"endTime":2957.41,"body":"Oh, yeah. I mean, I think at least my understanding is like America,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2957.85,"endTime":2961.81,"body":"specifically the United States, kind of started with the whole factory farming"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2961.81,"endTime":2966.97,"body":"and like finding ways to make animal products super, super, super cheap."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2966.97,"endTime":2970.55,"body":"Yeah, that's exactly what happened. And so it's actually kind of the reverse"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2970.55,"endTime":2974.75,"body":"of the arguments I see a lot where people are saying like veganism is colonialism,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2974.75,"endTime":2976.19,"body":"I guess, is kind of the argument."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2976.29,"endTime":2980.69,"body":"But it's actually kind of backwards there because the plant-based food diversity"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2980.69,"endTime":2986.21,"body":"has been eroded by colonialization and industrial agriculture not promoted by it."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2986.21,"endTime":2992.75,"body":"So, actually, the colonialization is introducing these industrial meat type things."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2992.75,"endTime":2993.21,"body":"Factory farms."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2993.51,"endTime":2997.55,"body":"Right. And, you know, the European colonization into the U.S."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2998.35,"endTime":3002.57,"body":"mostly displaced, like, the indigenous Americans plant agriculture in favor"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3002.57,"endTime":3004.17,"body":"of their animal product systems."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3004.39,"endTime":3008.91,"body":"Oh, yeah. So, I mean, this is just like, if there's a Western influence,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3008.91,"endTime":3010.89,"body":"it is adding more meat to everything."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3011.09,"endTime":3013.43,"body":"Yeah. Making everything more meat-centric. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3013.61,"endTime":3017.27,"body":"So, yeah, I think that portion of the argument really just has it backwards."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3017.65,"endTime":3019.91,"body":"It falls apart pretty fast when you poke at it."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3020.07,"endTime":3021.41,"body":"Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, the actual..."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3022.54,"endTime":3027.82,"body":"The actual like cultural lineage of plant-based eating is mainly like indigenous,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3028.56,"endTime":3029.82,"body":"ancient, goes back thousands of"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3029.82,"endTime":3034.94,"body":"years, global, not really something that emerged from the Western world."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3035.08,"endTime":3040.68,"body":"I do see a lot of things though of like, there are traditional dishes that use meat."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3040.86,"endTime":3041.2,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3041.36,"endTime":3048.16,"body":"And I think some of the arguments are coming from not necessarily like we want"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3048.16,"endTime":3050.56,"body":"meat focus, but more like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3051.58,"endTime":3054.62,"body":"it's unfair of you to expect me to like no longer"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3054.62,"endTime":3058.5,"body":"eat my traditional dishes if you want me to go fully plant-based yeah"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3058.5,"endTime":3063.22,"body":"do you know what i mean yeah and and another one that i see a lot is like um"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3063.22,"endTime":3069.42,"body":"it's more around indigenous americans and it's talking about how they lived"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3069.42,"endTime":3074.62,"body":"in harmony with nature and they did hunt but they respected the animal and they"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3074.62,"endTime":3077.68,"body":"used every part of the animal that's something that i'm hearing a lot"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3077.68,"endTime":3083.5,"body":"Yeah yeah but that's not how most people in america are getting their meat anymore, right?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3083.64,"endTime":3087.86,"body":"Like most people, almost all people, I would imagine get it from grocery stores."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3088.14,"endTime":3089.9,"body":"Potentially you get it from a local farmer."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3090.4,"endTime":3095.02,"body":"There are still obviously hunters, but as far as like amount of meat consumed,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3095.36,"endTime":3098.96,"body":"the hunted meat in the wild is like an extremely low percentage."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3099.5,"endTime":3103.94,"body":"Yeah, and I do think there are probably indigenous American reservations where"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3103.94,"endTime":3108.58,"body":"they are still like following cultural practices and eating that way."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3109.22,"endTime":3114.44,"body":"You know, I think veganism in general is we're trying to get away from eating all animals."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3114.48,"endTime":3118.94,"body":"But I think like, at least in my mind, the main thing we should be tackling"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3118.94,"endTime":3120.42,"body":"at this point is factory farms."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3120.76,"endTime":3124.34,"body":"Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like the industrialized process that's cramming a bunch"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3124.34,"endTime":3127.92,"body":"of these animals into one spot and treating them horribly and then killing them"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3127.92,"endTime":3130.34,"body":"for meat like a massive scale."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3130.68,"endTime":3132.9,"body":"Yeah. Is really the issue."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3133.16,"endTime":3136.52,"body":"So I guess the part I take issue with is like a lot of the comments I've seen"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3136.52,"endTime":3138.36,"body":"because I I'm on threads a lot."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3138.58,"endTime":3141.4,"body":"But it's kind of like saying we can't stop"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3141.4,"endTime":3145.32,"body":"eating animals because indigenous Americans have"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3145.32,"endTime":3150.82,"body":"these traditions with animals and they kind of hide behind that like a like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3150.82,"endTime":3158.08,"body":"a group of people to uphold factory farms when like how we currently do animal"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3158.08,"endTime":3161.5,"body":"agriculture is incongruent to like traditional farms."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3162.12,"endTime":3165.66,"body":"indigenous american cultures if that makes sense"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3165.66,"endTime":3168.58,"body":"Yeah definitely i think there's"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3168.58,"endTime":3171.4,"body":"definitely a mismatch there yeah some of"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3171.4,"endTime":3174.7,"body":"the things you can do if you're maybe in one of these countries or geographical"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3174.7,"endTime":3179.6,"body":"locations where it's um maybe harder to get some of these plant-based options"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3179.6,"endTime":3184.6,"body":"or maybe you've got some cultural restraints or something like that um one thing"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3184.6,"endTime":3189.52,"body":"that comes up a lot is basically but in my country i can't find things like"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3189.52,"endTime":3191.34,"body":"tofu oat milk or protein powder,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3191.88,"endTime":3193.7,"body":"Well, the good news is you don't need those things."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3193.94,"endTime":3197.44,"body":"You really just need like legumes, grains, and vegetables to build your diet"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3197.44,"endTime":3199.24,"body":"around. And those are available in every country."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3199.68,"endTime":3204.18,"body":"So I would definitely focus more towards those whole food, simple,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3204.18,"endTime":3207.86,"body":"you know, plant foods rather than like these products."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3208.34,"endTime":3214.38,"body":"Yeah. And I think in terms of like traditional meals that have always had animal"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3214.38,"endTime":3218.38,"body":"products, I think that I personally think there's something kind of cool about"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3218.38,"endTime":3221.72,"body":"like trying to reinvent those with a plant-based twist."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3221.92,"endTime":3227.0,"body":"Yeah. I mean, like, I wouldn't say that I have deep cultural roots because my"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3227.0,"endTime":3230.22,"body":"parents are just like Midwestern white people. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3230.38,"endTime":3233.86,"body":"But like there are dishes that I grew up with that like my dad taught me that"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3233.86,"endTime":3237.26,"body":"his dad taught him. I'm not saying they go far back enough to consider myself,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3237.26,"endTime":3240.48,"body":"like, cultured, having much of a culture."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3240.92,"endTime":3245.12,"body":"But some of the first things I cooked when I went vegan were those dishes of,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3245.24,"endTime":3248.94,"body":"like, how can I veganize, like, my dad's scallop potatoes because, like..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3249.35,"endTime":3253.17,"body":"I just remember that that was something that we always had like once a year."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3253.21,"endTime":3254.77,"body":"That was like a special dish that he made."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3255.03,"endTime":3259.11,"body":"Yeah. I know it's not like super special, but like that's something like my dad made."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3259.51,"endTime":3263.75,"body":"Or like sometimes he would make crepes on Sunday. Like how can I veganize that?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3263.97,"endTime":3265.13,"body":"You know what I mean? Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3265.57,"endTime":3269.59,"body":"So I think it's kind of cool to like try to veganize like traditional dishes."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3269.69,"endTime":3274.59,"body":"And there are a lot of like accounts and food blogs that are veganizing their"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3274.59,"endTime":3277.01,"body":"traditional dishes that are part of their heritage."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3277.23,"endTime":3279.91,"body":"Yeah. You know, which I think is really neat. Because I don't really,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3280.09,"endTime":3282.05,"body":"I guess, have much of a heritage, you know?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3282.19,"endTime":3285.45,"body":"Yeah. I feel like when you're, like, just a Midwestern white person,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3285.45,"endTime":3286.71,"body":"you just kind of feel like a mutt."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3286.87,"endTime":3290.13,"body":"Like, I don't really have, like, I don't know. Like, I think my dad's got,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3290.25,"endTime":3294.17,"body":"like, some German-Polish and my mom's got, I don't know, some other shit."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3294.33,"endTime":3297.87,"body":"But what I can tell you is my dad makes some pretty good scallop potatoes."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3298.05,"endTime":3299.67,"body":"Yeah. So we veganize those."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3299.89,"endTime":3304.01,"body":"Yeah. But, like, people with actual heritages, they're veganizing traditional"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3304.01,"endTime":3307.57,"body":"dishes and they're making really cool stuff. Yeah. So you can check those out."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3308.03,"endTime":3310.73,"body":"Yeah. Like if you're missing your favorite foods, if you're plant-based,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3310.93,"endTime":3313.67,"body":"I'm sure someone has veganized it and done a hell of a job."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3313.85,"endTime":3317.45,"body":"Yeah. So there are some places where it like really is pretty tricky."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3317.45,"endTime":3320.73,"body":"And a lot of those are like the very northern climates where they have short"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3320.73,"endTime":3323.85,"body":"growing seasons, limited imports, things like that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3323.97,"endTime":3327.05,"body":"Hard to get, you know, stuff moved around inside the area."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3328.27,"endTime":3332.49,"body":"So your biggest thing there, you're going to be leaning on like getting some"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3332.49,"endTime":3335.97,"body":"of those dry staples shipped in in bulk whenever you can."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3336.97,"endTime":3340.23,"body":"but yeah I mean there's no there's no getting around like it's hard there you"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3340.23,"endTime":3344.07,"body":"can't really grow stuff for the most part in your own yard very much you're"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3344.07,"endTime":3347.43,"body":"not having a lot of options you might not even be able to get to the grocery"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3347.43,"endTime":3350.71,"body":"store very easily just because of the weather so there's a lot of stuff like that."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3350.89,"endTime":3354.07,"body":"There are certain climates where essentially all you can grow is like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3354.83,"endTime":3357.79,"body":"grass that a cow can eat right but like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3357.79,"endTime":3361.71,"body":"humans can't eat grass so like they're relying a lot on animal products because"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3361.71,"endTime":3367.15,"body":"they can't grow any crops that are things humans can eat right right and i feel"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3367.15,"endTime":3371.39,"body":"like if you're in one of those places and you're like hands are tied and you"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3371.39,"endTime":3374.97,"body":"also don't get imports from other countries like i don't think any vegan would"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3374.97,"endTime":3376.73,"body":"be expecting you to starve yourself right i"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3376.73,"endTime":3378.51,"body":"Mean at a certain point you just have to play the cards you're dealt."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3378.51,"endTime":3382.89,"body":"So yeah do the best you can exactly which is i think the modern definition like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3382.89,"endTime":3386.17,"body":"you said earlier yeah like as much is practically reasonably possible."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3386.63,"endTime":3387.65,"body":"Yeah. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3388.01,"endTime":3392.11,"body":"And then I think another one that you touched on earlier was like family constraints."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3392.27,"endTime":3399.01,"body":"Like if maybe you're a kid in an omnivore family and they're really not going to let you go vegan."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3399.19,"endTime":3399.41,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3399.59,"endTime":3400.25,"body":"I mean-"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3401.93,"endTime":3403.95,"body":"Sometimes you're going to have to wait till you're 18. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3404.47,"endTime":3405.97,"body":"Sometimes that's just the way it is."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3406.07,"endTime":3410.25,"body":"I mean, there are some, you know, I don't think anyone, any,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3410.51,"endTime":3415.51,"body":"no, no reasonable being isn't expecting you to like push that if it's like an"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3415.51,"endTime":3417.69,"body":"unsafe condition, you know, condition like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3418.01,"endTime":3422.15,"body":"you know, there are households where like that becomes like maybe like a concern"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3422.15,"endTime":3426.67,"body":"of safety if you keep pushing something like that or like, you know,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3427.03,"endTime":3431.21,"body":"maybe a concern of an eating disorder comes up if you're like refusing to eat"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3431.21,"endTime":3435.05,"body":"animal products and nobody will give you food that's plant-based. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3435.47,"endTime":3438.61,"body":"You know? Yeah. I mean, you just, you have to, you have to do what you can when"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3438.61,"endTime":3440.99,"body":"you can, and maybe you'll be able to do more later and you'll,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3441.23,"endTime":3442.69,"body":"you know, that's just the way it is."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3443.13,"endTime":3446.69,"body":"Yeah. And then kind of the last category we wanted to talk about here is the"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3446.69,"endTime":3448.91,"body":"nutrition argument. So this one comes up a lot."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3449.01,"endTime":3451.93,"body":"It's probably the most common like off the cuff thing that people say about veganism."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3452.05,"endTime":3455.43,"body":"Like it's hard to be a healthy vegan is what I hear."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3455.63,"endTime":3455.81,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3455.81,"endTime":3458.83,"body":"And like if you can be a healthy vegan, that's a privilege."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3459.17,"endTime":3462.25,"body":"Yeah. So some of the arguments for this are like some people have limited access"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3462.25,"endTime":3464.25,"body":"to nutrition education, which is fair."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3464.47,"endTime":3467.53,"body":"I mean, most doctors don't have a ton of nutrition education."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3467.53,"endTime":3471.97,"body":"So most normal people have basically none unless they look into it intentionally"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3471.97,"endTime":3473.93,"body":"at some point. Across the board, though. Right. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3474.27,"endTime":3476.37,"body":"Yeah. Oh, yeah. Not just vegan specific."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3476.49,"endTime":3477.35,"body":"But across the board. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3478.43,"endTime":3481.71,"body":"There's also an argument that it's hard to get all your nutrients on a vegan diet."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3482.79,"endTime":3485.59,"body":"So it might take a little more thought. I don't know if I would necessarily"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3485.59,"endTime":3488.29,"body":"say it's hard, but this is one of the arguments that comes up."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3488.39,"endTime":3491.45,"body":"Depending on where you live, I guess. Yeah. Kind of like back to our last point."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3491.63,"endTime":3495.03,"body":"Yeah, for sure. There's also an argument that vegans have to take too many supplements."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3496.61,"endTime":3498.71,"body":"So we'll talk about that a little bit."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3499.45,"endTime":3500.41,"body":"Interesting. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3500.85,"endTime":3504.81,"body":"And then there's the argument that the vegan supplements you do have to take are expensive."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3505.09,"endTime":3508.63,"body":"And kind of getting all your nutrition on a vegan diet is also expensive because"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3508.63,"endTime":3510.45,"body":"you have to have more fruits, things like that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3510.95,"endTime":3514.89,"body":"So this is all the stuff around nutrition that kind of floats around for veganism."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3515.01,"endTime":3516.91,"body":"And then there's the whole protein thing."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3517.13,"endTime":3520.93,"body":"Not really going to get into here because that's basically our entire personality."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3521.23,"endTime":3525.41,"body":"Yeah, you can get protein. Go check out some of the other stuff we've talked about."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3527.09,"endTime":3533.35,"body":"But yeah, so talking about some of these in specific, basically vitamin B12"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3533.35,"endTime":3535.93,"body":"is really the only supplement that all vegans require."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3536.25,"endTime":3539.51,"body":"Right. It's the only thing we cannot get from the whole foods."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3539.51,"endTime":3542.23,"body":"So we do have to have that as a supplement most of the time."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3542.37,"endTime":3546.19,"body":"We can get a lot through like fortified milks and nutritional yeast and some"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3546.19,"endTime":3547.55,"body":"other fortified foods and stuff."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3547.93,"endTime":3550.25,"body":"But it's usually just to play it safe. You just take the supplements."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3550.86,"endTime":3551.8,"body":"Yeah, why not, right?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3552.0,"endTime":3556.4,"body":"Yeah. So the pill form of a vitamin B12 supplement is like 5 to 15 cents a day."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3556.56,"endTime":3560.12,"body":"And there are also multivitamins that contain B12. And they're obviously more"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3560.12,"endTime":3563.82,"body":"expensive than just B12, but they're still pretty cheap. You can get some multivitamins"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3563.82,"endTime":3565.92,"body":"for like in the range of $10 to $15 a month."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3566.04,"endTime":3569.62,"body":"But like, okay, here's my thing. It's like ever since I've been alive,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3569.62,"endTime":3573.6,"body":"I've seen endless commercials on multivitamins for children,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3573.92,"endTime":3576.52,"body":"for adults, for men, for women, like whatever."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3576.88,"endTime":3577.18,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3577.46,"endTime":3581.76,"body":"The supplement industry is huge. huge if vegans were the only ones spending"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3581.76,"endTime":3584.9,"body":"money there i don't think it'd be as big as it is since vegans are like what"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3584.9,"endTime":3586.62,"body":"one to three percent of the population yeah"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3586.62,"endTime":3590.3,"body":"I don't know if you've been in the pharmacy section of your local either pharmacy"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3590.3,"endTime":3594.76,"body":"or supermarket but there are like three rows dedicated to individual vitamins"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3594.76,"endTime":3596.7,"body":"and they're not selling most of those to vegans."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3596.7,"endTime":3602.32,"body":"Oh yeah i mean i think i think most people that are concerned about their health"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3602.32,"endTime":3606.08,"body":"are probably taking a multivitamin Right. I would think."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3606.3,"endTime":3610.06,"body":"Also, GNC has been around a long time. Oh, yeah. So they're not selling most"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3610.06,"endTime":3610.86,"body":"of their stuff to vegans."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3610.88,"endTime":3611.7,"body":"The vitamin shop."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3611.88,"endTime":3616.08,"body":"So this whole, like, supplement-vitamin argument is, like, the B12 thing is"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3616.08,"endTime":3618.7,"body":"kind of vegan-specific sometimes, even though, like I've said before,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3618.86,"endTime":3621.24,"body":"I actually had to take B12 before I was ever vegan."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3621.26,"endTime":3621.32,"body":"Oh, I did, too, yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3621.68,"endTime":3625.48,"body":"So, I don't know. It's always been pretty common. But, yeah,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3625.52,"endTime":3626.5,"body":"B12 is the one we have to take."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3626.66,"endTime":3629.88,"body":"Everything else is, like, a lot of people are taking multivitamins and supplements"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3629.88,"endTime":3632.68,"body":"anyway, so this is not, like, a vegan-specific concern. Right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3632.68,"endTime":3635.94,"body":"And I can tell you they don't all sell them to vegans because most of them have"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3635.94,"endTime":3638.04,"body":"gelatin capsules and we don't buy those."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3639.16,"endTime":3644.4,"body":"Yeah. And other than the B12, a varied, mostly whole food vegan diet provides"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3644.4,"endTime":3646.16,"body":"sufficient nutrients in almost all cases."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3647.36,"endTime":3650.74,"body":"And, you know, you might think, oh, there's the catch there."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3650.86,"endTime":3653.3,"body":"You said the mostly whole food vegan diet."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3653.52,"endTime":3657.68,"body":"Well, yeah, but even non-vegans who are not eating mostly whole food are still"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3657.68,"endTime":3658.9,"body":"going to run into nutrient deficiencies."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3658.9,"endTime":3659.38,"body":"Oh, yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3659.38,"endTime":3665.24,"body":"So, I mean, whether we're a junk food vegan or a junk food processed food non-vegan,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3665.4,"endTime":3667.8,"body":"we're probably missing out on some nutrients there."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3668.0,"endTime":3668.68,"body":"Oh, absolutely."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3669.44,"endTime":3673.08,"body":"I just think the thing that I find kind of interesting is like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3673.08,"endTime":3676.1,"body":"you'll see this from a lot of people that aren't worried about their nutrition"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3676.1,"endTime":3677.68,"body":"currently as an omnivore. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3677.88,"endTime":3682.48,"body":"And I'm like, I don't know why you care so much about like my protein and stuff. Oh, I know."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3682.62,"endTime":3685.0,"body":"When you don't even know how much protein you're getting, bro."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3685.14,"endTime":3686.6,"body":"Yeah, or the vitamins. Or the vitamins."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3686.64,"endTime":3688.88,"body":"Like, oh, you can't get all your vitamins on a vegan diet. It's like,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3688.92,"endTime":3692.12,"body":"are you getting all your vitamins? Do you even know? Right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3692.12,"endTime":3696.18,"body":"And the thing that's always kind of driven me a little insane is like acting"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3696.18,"endTime":3701.62,"body":"as if taking a supplement is somehow like horrible and artificial and very bad"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3701.62,"endTime":3705.36,"body":"because like, I don't want to ruin your day."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3705.48,"endTime":3710.04,"body":"But if you're getting your B12 from animal products, your animals are being supplemented."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3710.2,"endTime":3713.76,"body":"You're just like enjoying their supplementation. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3714.18,"endTime":3717.96,"body":"And, you know, to preempt a little bit the animal argument and a lot of people"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3717.96,"endTime":3721.9,"body":"are saying like most cows or whatever won't get B12. They get supplemented with"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3721.9,"endTime":3725.12,"body":"a mineral mix that includes cobalt, which is how cows make B12."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3725.38,"endTime":3729.12,"body":"Yeah. B12. And they specifically get cobalt in those mineral mixes so that they"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3729.12,"endTime":3732.18,"body":"can get B12 because they don't get enough from the soil almost anywhere."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3732.58,"endTime":3734.68,"body":"Right. Because of the industrialized practices."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3734.9,"endTime":3738.86,"body":"Well, one, because a lot of cows don't even graze. They're like,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3738.88,"endTime":3740.32,"body":"you know, fed feed or whatever."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3740.44,"endTime":3743.96,"body":"But even the cows that do graze, a lot of those farms, because they've been"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3743.96,"endTime":3748.06,"body":"used so much over the years, the soil doesn't really have enough B12 to support"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3748.06,"endTime":3749.08,"body":"the whole system anymore."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3749.16,"endTime":3749.32,"body":"Right."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3749.32,"endTime":3752.52,"body":"So, I mean, they just throw some cheap cobalt into the mineral mixes."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3753.27,"endTime":3756.41,"body":"So remnants like cows use cobalt to make B12 in their stomachs,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3756.51,"endTime":3757.35,"body":"and that's how they get their B12."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3757.49,"endTime":3759.69,"body":"So even if they're not getting directly supplemented with B12,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3760.05,"endTime":3763.19,"body":"they are still getting supplemented with the cobalt, which is a supplement. So why does it matter?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3763.29,"endTime":3765.29,"body":"It's essentially, yeah, it's essentially the same."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3765.63,"endTime":3768.41,"body":"And in cases where they run into cows with deficiencies or other issues,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3768.51,"endTime":3771.69,"body":"they do just supplement directly with B12, which is pretty common too."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3771.93,"endTime":3775.19,"body":"And like the other thing is, I think a lot of people are on vitamin D just like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3775.19,"endTime":3777.99,"body":"because you have desk jobs that are inside. Yeah. Right?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3778.23,"endTime":3781.77,"body":"And like, I think most people wouldn't have an issue with taking a vitamin D"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3781.77,"endTime":3783.69,"body":"supplement in the winter or something, you know?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3783.79,"endTime":3787.21,"body":"I don't know that I've ever met anybody that has never, ever taken a multivitamin."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3787.73,"endTime":3790.79,"body":"Yeah, yeah. You've been taking them"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3790.79,"endTime":3793.77,"body":"since you were kids with their little Flintstone vitamins. Sorry, guys."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3794.53,"endTime":3799.13,"body":"So, yeah, it boils down to, yeah, most vegans should probably take a 10 cent"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3799.13,"endTime":3800.63,"body":"a day vitamin B12 supplement."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3800.63,"endTime":3803.91,"body":"If that's like the whole crux of your argument, I don't think it's a very good"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3803.91,"endTime":3807.95,"body":"argument. But some of the strategies you can maybe employ to make sure that"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3807.95,"endTime":3811.03,"body":"you're hitting your nutritional goals as you try to move towards a vegan diet."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3811.43,"endTime":3814.39,"body":"One, you can track your nutrition with a free app like Chronometer."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3814.79,"endTime":3818.99,"body":"Basically, the Chronometer specifically is liked by vegans because it does a"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3818.99,"endTime":3820.63,"body":"very good job of tracking micronutrients."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3821.14,"endTime":3823.4,"body":"Um, so you can put your food in there for a couple of weeks,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3823.5,"endTime":3825.26,"body":"make sure there's nothing you're like totally missing out on."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3825.32,"endTime":3828.6,"body":"But the main reason for this is not because vegan foods don't have nutrients."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3828.84,"endTime":3831.92,"body":"It's because when you switch to a vegan diet, you're still figuring out like"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3831.92,"endTime":3834.96,"body":"your swaps and your replacements for some of the non-vegan foods."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3835.24,"endTime":3838.8,"body":"Uh, so there may be like other categories of food you never really ate as a"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3838.8,"endTime":3840.0,"body":"non-vegan that maybe you should eat now."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3840.38,"endTime":3841.64,"body":"Or also kind of like we were talking"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3841.64,"endTime":3844.26,"body":"about, maybe you were just a little deficient on your non-vegan diet."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3844.36,"endTime":3847.76,"body":"Right. And now you can keep track of it. You could also, even if you took a"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3847.76,"endTime":3851.32,"body":"vitamin B12, a vitamin D, and an iron supplement, which are kind of the three"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3851.32,"endTime":3855.06,"body":"most common you see talked about with vegans, you could do all that for like"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3855.06,"endTime":3859.06,"body":"$15 to $20 a month, which is like one fast food meal, basically."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3859.38,"endTime":3863.3,"body":"Honestly, I've always been taking an iron supplement for like the last over"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3863.3,"endTime":3866.28,"body":"a decade, even when I was a vegetarian. I just have low iron. Yeah,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3866.4,"endTime":3866.74,"body":"I don't think."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3866.74,"endTime":3868.74,"body":"Anybody- It doesn't even matter how much I eat."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3868.78,"endTime":3872.22,"body":"Nobody's surprised to hear that plenty of non-vegans have anemia issues."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3872.56,"endTime":3874.88,"body":"Especially women, because guys, we bleed a lot."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3874.88,"endTime":3876.28,"body":"It's extremely common."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3876.5,"endTime":3880.8,"body":"I mean, my thing is, like, I even tracked my iron as far as,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3880.88,"endTime":3883.36,"body":"like, I would put it in, like, my fitness pal or something to see that I was"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3883.36,"endTime":3884.76,"body":"getting at least 100% a day."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3884.88,"endTime":3889.26,"body":"And it's just, like, my iron's low. I don't know. My iron is low."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3889.36,"endTime":3890.88,"body":"It needs supplemented. Whatever. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3891.3,"endTime":3892.16,"body":"It's always been that way."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3892.2,"endTime":3895.82,"body":"Right? Yeah. It's really not a big deal. My doctor told me to take an iron supplement."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3897.1,"endTime":3900.74,"body":"There are also a lot of free resources available for learning about plant-based"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3900.74,"endTime":3904.82,"body":"diets. Again, because vegans tend to really want people to stop eating animals."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3904.82,"endTime":3910.46,"body":"We tend to put out a whole lot of free advice and information and things like that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3910.9,"endTime":3913.22,"body":"So basically, YouTube, great source of information."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3914.44,"endTime":3918.2,"body":"Specifically, nutritionfacts.org is run by Dr. Greger, who wrote the How Not"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3918.2,"endTime":3919.64,"body":"to Die book we mentioned from time to time."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3920.02,"endTime":3926.54,"body":"But he's basically been making short YouTube videos on specific topics for nutritious"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3926.54,"endTime":3928.86,"body":"plant-based food for like 20 years now."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3928.86,"endTime":3932.8,"body":"so if you go to his website he's got videos for like every topic under the sun"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3932.8,"endTime":3935.04,"body":"really awesome source of information and it's all free,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3936.46,"endTime":3940.52,"body":"And then your books at the local library. If you can't get to the local library"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3940.52,"endTime":3944.48,"body":"because maybe you have, like, you have to use public transportation or whatever,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3944.68,"endTime":3949.04,"body":"if you download an app called Libby, you can basically go to your,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3949.2,"endTime":3951.72,"body":"most local libraries have a website. You can go on there, like,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3951.86,"endTime":3952.84,"body":"sign up for a library card."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3952.9,"endTime":3955.42,"body":"You can actually do this right through Libby, but you can also use the website."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3955.86,"endTime":3958.96,"body":"But basically, you get your library card assigned through the email,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3958.96,"endTime":3963.36,"body":"and then you put your library card into Libby, and Libby will basically,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3963.36,"endTime":3965.94,"body":"like, rent you books on your device,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3966.16,"endTime":3971.6,"body":"like your phone or whatever, and even audiobooks, using your library card, and that's all free."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3971.82,"endTime":3974.66,"body":"That's how I found out about it, because I like to listen to audiobooks. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3975.22,"endTime":3978.1,"body":"And someone at work was telling me that you can do that, and I was like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3978.16,"endTime":3980.38,"body":"oh, my God, I haven't had a library card since I was, like, a kid."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3980.62,"endTime":3984.18,"body":"Yeah. And so I just signed up online. I haven't even been in the local library."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3985.33,"endTime":3987.03,"body":"I can rent stuff on Libby."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3987.19,"endTime":3990.61,"body":"Yeah, we have a library card to our local county library, and I get stuff through Libby."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3991.17,"endTime":3994.39,"body":"I've been in there once for something unrelated, but basically I get all my"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3994.39,"endTime":3995.95,"body":"library books through Libby."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3996.09,"endTime":3996.39,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3996.61,"endTime":4000.29,"body":"It's all free. It's all free. The only catch is if it's a really popular book,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4000.47,"endTime":4005.41,"body":"they still only have so many slots for each book, I guess, of licensing or whatever."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4005.61,"endTime":4008.45,"body":"So a really popular book, you might have to be like, okay, put me on the wait"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4008.45,"endTime":4010.55,"body":"list, and you might have to wait a week, and then you'll be able to read the book."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4010.63,"endTime":4013.71,"body":"But you don't have to worry about that because veganism isn't very popular. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4014.07,"endTime":4016.17,"body":"Also, no late fees for returns."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4016.37,"endTime":4018.77,"body":"That's true. That's nice. Yeah, they just snatch it back out."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4019.01,"endTime":4023.11,"body":"Oh, do you know, this is totally off topic. I saw something recently that said"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4023.11,"endTime":4026.15,"body":"libraries, I guess, did some studies."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4026.65,"endTime":4029.49,"body":"I don't know which libraries, but they did some studies and found that people"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4029.49,"endTime":4034.99,"body":"were actually more likely to return books if they didn't have return fees at all."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4035.37,"endTime":4037.83,"body":"That's interesting. So there are a lot of libraries now that basically switch"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4037.83,"endTime":4040.35,"body":"to no return fees because they're more likely to get their books back."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4040.35,"endTime":4042.69,"body":"And people will use the library more because they're not afraid to like,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4042.85,"endTime":4045.79,"body":"if you have this book that's like late, you're like, I'm never stepping foot"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4045.79,"endTime":4047.89,"body":"in that place again because I got to pay this fine."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4047.97,"endTime":4048.15,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4048.33,"endTime":4050.93,"body":"Oh. So they just say no fines. Then they get their books back."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4050.99,"endTime":4052.95,"body":"People use the library a lot more. That's kind of interesting."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4053.43,"endTime":4057.73,"body":"Oh, my God. Okay. This is a pretty embarrassing story. But the last time I applied"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4057.73,"endTime":4063.08,"body":"for a job, right, was like five years ago. I was applying for this job.I'd"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4063.08,"endTime":4065.84,"body":"gotten the offer. So they're doing the background check. Right. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4066.32,"endTime":4072.44,"body":"So all of a sudden I get a call from the company I'm like trying to get hired to."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4072.58,"endTime":4076.62,"body":"Yeah. And they're like, we actually can't get your college transcript."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4076.96,"endTime":4079.82,"body":"And I'm like, what do you mean you can't get my college transcript?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4080.08,"endTime":4084.12,"body":"And they're like, yeah, your background check flew up a flag that you couldn't"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4084.12,"endTime":4085.82,"body":"get. We couldn't get your college transcript."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4086.0,"endTime":4091.3,"body":"So I had to call my college. And it turns out I had, in fact,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4091.68,"endTime":4098.88,"body":"taken out a book on PVC, polyvinyl chloride, for my senior project and I never"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4098.88,"endTime":4101.38,"body":"returned it. So they had a hold on my account."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4101.64,"endTime":4106.48,"body":"And so I had to call the school library and be like, can you please give them"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4106.48,"endTime":4108.4,"body":"my transcript so I can have my job?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4109.48,"endTime":4112.08,"body":"And I really need to send it back."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4112.32,"endTime":4112.98,"body":"You still have the book?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4113.02,"endTime":4114.08,"body":"I still have the book."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4114.28,"endTime":4114.9,"body":"Oh, no."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4115.22,"endTime":4120.88,"body":"I know. We should do that. We should do that this week. Just like, I know I'm sorry."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4121.2,"endTime":4126.32,"body":"Honestly, the thing is like when you're exiting college, there's so much going on."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4126.46,"endTime":4129.58,"body":"You're like getting a new job and you're having to move. Like I was moving across"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4129.58,"endTime":4131.58,"body":"state, like do different state and stuff."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4132.46,"endTime":4135.46,"body":"And he just happened to get wrapped up in all my other school shit. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4135.7,"endTime":4140.36,"body":"And the thing is, is that it was always on my mind. It was in my trunk."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4140.54,"endTime":4144.44,"body":"It was in my trunk for like 10 years. And I just like knew it was in my trunk."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4144.44,"endTime":4148.62,"body":"And I was like, I should really like somehow give this back to the college."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4148.94,"endTime":4151.62,"body":"And I just never did it because I don't go to the UPS store much."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4151.76,"endTime":4155.9,"body":"And the bright side is probably still useful. I can't imagine the science behind PVC has changed much."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4156.14,"endTime":4160.44,"body":"It's like a book from the 70s. This thing's old because that was one of my other things."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4160.56,"endTime":4164.22,"body":"I'm like, this is a really old book. I just like, who's reading about this?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4164.5,"endTime":4169.24,"body":"Because I did a project on like, my senior design project was like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4169.76,"endTime":4172.84,"body":"plan out a fake PVC plant."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4173.02,"endTime":4176.28,"body":"Like how much would it cost to like create one from scratch or whatever?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4176.44,"endTime":4179.68,"body":"So I had to learn all the ins and outs of like, I don't remember any of it."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4179.8,"endTime":4181.5,"body":"But that book was really handy."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4181.66,"endTime":4184.22,"body":"And so I guess no one's been able to pick PVC since I left."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4184.68,"endTime":4186.74,"body":"I should really send it back. Anyways."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4188.46,"endTime":4189.1,"body":"So yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4189.1,"endTime":4193.18,"body":"A warning to return your college books because it might prevent you from getting a job."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4193.36,"endTime":4194.1,"body":"It's really interesting."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4194.28,"endTime":4196.34,"body":"But I did pass the drug test, so. There you go."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4199.16,"endTime":4202.48,"body":"Yeah, so just to kind of recap everything we've talked about here,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4202.7,"endTime":4206.92,"body":"while vegan marketing or like online content and influencer content can feel"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4206.92,"endTime":4211.9,"body":"very Western influenced and kind of whitewashed, the actual vegan diet is one"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4211.9,"endTime":4214.02,"body":"of the cheapest and most accessible diets in the world."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4214.18,"endTime":4216.74,"body":"So don't let anybody tell you different, I guess."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4216.74,"endTime":4221.54,"body":"And I would go so far as to say, like, there are more plant-based people in"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4221.54,"endTime":4223.74,"body":"other parts of the world than in America."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4223.98,"endTime":4224.62,"body":"Oh, absolutely."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4224.88,"endTime":4225.08,"body":"Like."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4225.1,"endTime":4227.78,"body":"We are the minority of plant-based eaters."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4227.96,"endTime":4231.46,"body":"We might be the most annoying online and talk about it the most,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4231.5,"endTime":4235.3,"body":"but like, yeah, we're in the minority for sure. Yeah. We're just trying to educate, man."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4235.56,"endTime":4239.82,"body":"So is veganism privileged? Well, sometimes the way people talk about it is,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4239.86,"endTime":4242.38,"body":"and sometimes the products marketed under it are."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4242.92,"endTime":4245.76,"body":"And sometimes the influences that represent it are."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4246.06,"endTime":4250.58,"body":"But beans, lentils, rice, oats, potatoes, peanut butter, tofu,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4250.62,"endTime":4253.6,"body":"and vegetables are not like inherently elite foods."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4253.94,"endTime":4258.2,"body":"The real question is not whether every person in every circumstance can be perfectly"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4258.2,"endTime":4260.24,"body":"vegan like today or tomorrow."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4260.48,"endTime":4265.98,"body":"The question is, where do we have the choices? And how can we reduce harm with those choices?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4266.34,"endTime":4270.18,"body":"And how do we make healthy plant-based options easier for more people to get access to?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4270.6,"endTime":4270.96,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4270.96,"endTime":4274.96,"body":"And then, you know, I mentioned it earlier, but I also want to really lean into"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4274.96,"endTime":4281.3,"body":"the definition of veganism, including kind of the term as far as possible and practicable."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4281.54,"endTime":4284.16,"body":"And you can still make a difference even if you have constraints."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4284.36,"endTime":4288.36,"body":"And possible and practicable leaves room for those real world constraints."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4289.44,"endTime":4292.62,"body":"Someone in a food desert might have different options than somebody in like"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4292.62,"endTime":4294.9,"body":"a major city with close access to a supermarket."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4295.18,"endTime":4300.58,"body":"Someone relying on food banks may have less control than somebody doing like weekly grocery visits."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4300.96,"endTime":4304.68,"body":"Uh, someone living with family may not be able to control every meal for whatever reason."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4305.0,"endTime":4309.76,"body":"Someone that's like traveling, um, hospitalized, deployed in the military,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4309.98,"endTime":4314.22,"body":"incarcerated, or living in poverty may face various constraints that they have to deal with."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4314.4,"endTime":4319.46,"body":"So the most useful version of veganism is not do everything perfectly or you're a hypocrite."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4319.56,"endTime":4324.34,"body":"It's like avoid animal exploitation where you reasonably can and work to expand"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4324.34,"endTime":4325.8,"body":"what's reasonably possible for more people."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4326.78,"endTime":4331.94,"body":"Yeah, and I guess I'll end this with, if you're one of the people talking about"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4331.94,"endTime":4335.7,"body":"all of these circumstances in which people can't be vegan, but you're also not"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4335.7,"endTime":4337.56,"body":"vegan and you're not in any of those circumstances..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4338.9,"endTime":4340.4,"body":"Stop hiding behind other people."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4340.72,"endTime":4344.38,"body":"Yeah, you see that a lot. People like throw out, well, you can't be vegan because"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4344.38,"endTime":4346.82,"body":"these people couldn't be vegan for whatever reason. It's like,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4346.9,"endTime":4347.56,"body":"what does that have to do with you?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4347.88,"endTime":4351.82,"body":"I know. Like, not everyone has to be vegan for all of us to make a difference"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4351.82,"endTime":4354.46,"body":"and move towards plant-based and get rid of factory farming."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4354.7,"endTime":4360.42,"body":"Right. So, like, if you can do it and you agree with the ethics and morals, you should do your part."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4360.54,"endTime":4363.16,"body":"Yeah. I guess is my main takeaway, you know?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4363.16,"endTime":4368.04,"body":"And I will say, I think if society was able to move more towards plant-based"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4368.04,"endTime":4369.7,"body":"food, I think it would help, you know."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4369.96,"endTime":4370.92,"body":"All these other places."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4371.22,"endTime":4375.48,"body":"Help a lot of these other places and a lot of these other issues kind of be less of a constraint."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4375.98,"endTime":4380.52,"body":"Yeah. And I will say, like, the excuse that, like, oh, this group of people"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4380.52,"endTime":4383.54,"body":"can't be vegan, so I'm not going to be vegan, sounds a lot like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4383.7,"endTime":4386.78,"body":"well, my neighbor's allergic to lettuce, so I'm actually never going to eat"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4386.78,"endTime":4388.54,"body":"lettuce again. Yeah. It sounds silly."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4388.68,"endTime":4392.86,"body":"It does. Yeah. All right. So let's get into our myth of the week this week,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4392.88,"endTime":4394.6,"body":"which is that microwaves kill nutrients."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4394.94,"endTime":4398.62,"body":"Oh, my God. OK, so I eventually posted my bean bowl video."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4398.82,"endTime":4402.08,"body":"Yeah. Which is, I think, like one of my only recipes where I'm like actually"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4402.08,"endTime":4403.98,"body":"only microwaving something. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4405.61,"endTime":4409.33,"body":"And I keep getting comments like, microwaves kill all the nutrients in your"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4409.33,"endTime":4410.83,"body":"beans. And it's like, okay."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4411.15,"endTime":4411.51,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4411.81,"endTime":4412.91,"body":"So tell us, is that true?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4413.47,"endTime":4418.35,"body":"Well, so cooking in general, not microwave specific, cooking degrades nutrients"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4418.35,"endTime":4421.75,"body":"in basically three ways. Heat, water, and time."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4422.57,"endTime":4426.25,"body":"Water, because nutrients that are water soluble will leach out into the water."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4426.31,"endTime":4426.87,"body":"That makes sense."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4427.03,"endTime":4431.65,"body":"And then heat and time both kind of degrade the nutrient itself when it's exposed to those things."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4432.23,"endTime":4436.43,"body":"So microwaves specifically do not have any special properties that independently"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4436.43,"endTime":4438.23,"body":"degrade more nutrients, right?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4438.29,"endTime":4441.15,"body":"It's just because it causes heat and time."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4441.95,"endTime":4445.45,"body":"It basically excites water molecules, which move around faster,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4445.49,"endTime":4446.99,"body":"which make your food hot."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4447.29,"endTime":4451.53,"body":"Right. So vitamin C is an example to start with because it's actually the vitamin"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4451.53,"endTime":4453.33,"body":"that is most sensitive to water and heat."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4453.57,"endTime":4455.59,"body":"And it's actually usually more"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4455.59,"endTime":4459.23,"body":"well-preserved in the microwave than it is with other cooking methods."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4459.43,"endTime":4460.75,"body":"Because it takes less time. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4461.21,"endTime":4465.45,"body":"It takes less time and you're not adding water. Can you guess what the worst is?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4465.69,"endTime":4466.51,"body":"Is it boiling?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4466.73,"endTime":4470.39,"body":"It's boiling because you add a lot of water that the nutrient leaches out into."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4470.61,"endTime":4474.35,"body":"It's like, feed me your nutrients. Right. I am water. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4474.59,"endTime":4477.39,"body":"And then obviously, you know, boiling takes a while and it's pretty high heat."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4477.77,"endTime":4479.59,"body":"So that's the worst way to do it."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4480.25,"endTime":4484.65,"body":"And so the one way to counteract this, if you boiled something in water,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4485.32,"endTime":4489.6,"body":"To get all the nutrients that were in the food, you kind of have to drink all the water you boil it in."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4491.16,"endTime":4494.94,"body":"That could be so much water. They're always like, put eight quarts of water"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4494.94,"endTime":4497.86,"body":"in a pot and boil this thing. And it's like, oh, my God."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4497.96,"endTime":4498.94,"body":"Yeah, because that's what happens."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4498.94,"endTime":4500.18,"body":"That'd be your water for the week."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4500.32,"endTime":4501.74,"body":"It's a water-soluble vitamin."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4501.9,"endTime":4504.46,"body":"Yeah, it makes sense. So it's just going into the water. Chilling out. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4504.8,"endTime":4507.9,"body":"So. Wow. There is some data for this."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4508.06,"endTime":4512.98,"body":"There was a head-to-head comparison study. And in that, microwaving and stir-frying"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4512.98,"endTime":4517.88,"body":"with oil both had 1.3 to 1.8 higher vitamin C retention than boiling."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4519.14,"endTime":4521.02,"body":"I wonder what deep frying does."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4521.62,"endTime":4522.48,"body":"Nothing good."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4523.7,"endTime":4527.16,"body":"You'll keep your minerals and vitamins, but at what cost?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4528.4,"endTime":4533.34,"body":"In another study, reheating meals in the microwave retained an average of 3.8"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4533.34,"endTime":4536.8,"body":"milligrams more vitamin C than even reheating in a conventional oven."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4537.41,"endTime":4540.99,"body":"That's interesting. I think that's around the time, right? Like how long it takes."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4541.17,"endTime":4543.07,"body":"It takes forever. And it's higher heat also."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4543.93,"endTime":4547.43,"body":"But I don't think my pizza has much vitamin C anyway, and I'm not reheating"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4547.43,"endTime":4548.71,"body":"that in the microwave if I can help it."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4550.31,"endTime":4553.09,"body":"And yeah, and the reason the microwave typically preserves better is because"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4553.09,"endTime":4556.85,"body":"the cooking time is shorter. You don't have any additional water for it to leach out into."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4557.13,"endTime":4560.41,"body":"And the heat is usually about the same, but it's only on the inside."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4561.13,"endTime":4568.25,"body":"So, yeah, shorter cook time, less water basically automatically means less degradation of nutrients."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4568.53,"endTime":4570.55,"body":"But what about the brain cancer of microwaves?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4570.75,"endTime":4573.65,"body":"So, microwaves use non-ionizing radiation."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4574.59,"endTime":4575.03,"body":"Interesting."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4575.17,"endTime":4576.85,"body":"It's not that kind of radiation."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4577.03,"endTime":4581.77,"body":"You sound like the government. I think this is a conspiracy theory."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4581.91,"endTime":4584.51,"body":"We should all wear aluminum foil hats when we use the microwave."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4585.13,"endTime":4591.35,"body":"Yeah, well, you don't have to use your microwave. You can cook food however you want in your own house."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4592.55,"endTime":4596.23,"body":"But, you know, the studies we've done, microwaves actually tend to retain the"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4596.23,"endTime":4598.15,"body":"nutrients better than any other cooking method."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4598.29,"endTime":4601.15,"body":"You know, this makes a lot of sense because all the comments I'm getting are"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4601.15,"endTime":4604.01,"body":"specifically referencing one man."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4604.19,"endTime":4607.23,"body":"They're like, go read the words of this one man. And I don't remember what his"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4607.23,"endTime":4609.85,"body":"name is. Yeah. But they're like, he knows the truth."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4611.19,"endTime":4613.99,"body":"And when it's like always that one man that knows the truth,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4614.13,"endTime":4615.29,"body":"that's probably conspiracy theory."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4615.29,"endTime":4618.67,"body":"Well, I look forward to seeing the studies that he's sure to produce."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4620.41,"endTime":4622.91,"body":"Those really solid peer-reviewed studies."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4623.21,"endTime":4625.43,"body":"Maybe he has them and I haven't seen them, but I don't think so."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4625.77,"endTime":4628.55,"body":"I've never seen anything to indicate that that's a problem."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4629.88,"endTime":4631.02,"body":"So, I'd say debunked?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4631.2,"endTime":4635.96,"body":"Yeah, it's debunked. The microwave is fine and retains all your nutrients."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4636.14,"endTime":4638.04,"body":"What I will say is it usually doesn't make the food taste as good."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4638.6,"endTime":4639.74,"body":"Except for the bean bowl."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4639.84,"endTime":4641.98,"body":"Oh, the bean bowl's great, yeah. How else would you cook it?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4642.12,"endTime":4644.3,"body":"I don't know. Any other way might be sad."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4644.74,"endTime":4648.26,"body":"I think it's mostly just stuff. I don't like putting stuff in the microwave"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4648.26,"endTime":4649.98,"body":"that has, like, bread on it."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4650.1,"endTime":4650.74,"body":"A texture."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4650.74,"endTime":4655.5,"body":"A crust or a texture or, like, breading. Like, those things I really like putting."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4655.5,"endTime":4658.6,"body":"Back in the oven. If you want crispy, you don't want microwave."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4658.84,"endTime":4663.94,"body":"Yeah. If you want saucy, you know, mushy, microwave's fine. Right."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4664.08,"endTime":4668.36,"body":"Yeah, there you go. That's perfect. So, myth busted. Microwave your food."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4668.48,"endTime":4671.14,"body":"Feel good about it. Or don't if you don't want. I don't care."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4672.22,"endTime":4673.06,"body":"Do whatever you want."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4675.1,"endTime":4678.02,"body":"Yeah. So, what updates do we have in protein-deficient vegan land?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4678.22,"endTime":4681.32,"body":"Okay. So, we've been trying out the vegan egg white powder."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4681.66,"endTime":4687.7,"body":"Okay. So, we did try it as like a egg white scramble. Didn't like it."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4687.92,"endTime":4688.18,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4688.68,"endTime":4692.46,"body":"Didn't like it at all. I don't know if it's like it's, well, it was gritty."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4693.2,"endTime":4697.28,"body":"It wasn't very good. Yeah. And also, I don't think I like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4698.31,"endTime":4703.05,"body":"It's too close to egg whites for me. I don't really want to eat egg whites anymore, obviously."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4703.31,"endTime":4708.41,"body":"So, like, I didn't like that. But I did use it in, like, a high-protein crepe"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4708.41,"endTime":4710.11,"body":"recipe. Yeah. And that was great."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4710.29,"endTime":4711.73,"body":"That was amazing."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4712.09,"endTime":4718.13,"body":"Because, okay, so my dad, he, sometimes, this wasn't every weekend."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4718.13,"endTime":4719.61,"body":"It was, like, special weekends."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4719.79,"endTime":4721.07,"body":"I want one of these crepes right now."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4722.73,"endTime":4725.75,"body":"On special weekends, my dad would make crepes."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4725.91,"endTime":4731.01,"body":"Yeah. And, but I haven't had crepes for a really long time. Yeah. Right?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4732.13,"endTime":4735.69,"body":"So, yeah, I was like, can I do it? And they tasted just like it."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4736.03,"endTime":4740.47,"body":"Yeah. You had like cinnamon, correct me."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4740.63,"endTime":4746.29,"body":"I think you had cinnamon, sugar, and then on top you had strawberries and like a Cool Whip."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4746.57,"endTime":4748.63,"body":"Yeah. Yeah. Was there butter? There was."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4748.71,"endTime":4750.59,"body":"And then butter also inside the crepe."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4750.73,"endTime":4754.29,"body":"Yeah. It's got like sweet, salty. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4755.21,"endTime":4756.85,"body":"A little sour from the strawberries."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4757.17,"endTime":4761.67,"body":"Yeah. And I found, so we had some and I had to let, I like ate two of them and"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4761.67,"endTime":4764.25,"body":"I had to let two like hang out while I was on a phone call."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4764.55,"endTime":4768.39,"body":"And the two, after I got back from the phone call, all the butter had like soaked"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4768.39,"endTime":4772.69,"body":"into the crepe and it was just like magical. It was so good."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4773.05,"endTime":4775.53,"body":"And the strawberries and the Cool Whip are all just like perfect."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4775.83,"endTime":4776.69,"body":"They're really awesome."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4776.87,"endTime":4778.21,"body":"I would recommend you make these."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4778.35,"endTime":4782.19,"body":"And I know like my, a part of my role here is to hype up the food or whatever,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4782.25,"endTime":4786.37,"body":"but this This is, like, genuinely the best sweet crepe I've ever had."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4787.85,"endTime":4792.69,"body":"And it was, like, high in protein. Yeah. Like, the crepe, now the toppings aren't, right?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4792.91,"endTime":4795.43,"body":"But, like, the crepe itself has quite a bit of protein. I think it was,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4795.51,"endTime":4798.59,"body":"like, 70 calories for, like, 9 grams of protein or something. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4798.93,"endTime":4804.01,"body":"But they're really, really easy to make. I will say that I tried mixing with a fork."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4804.23,"endTime":4806.85,"body":"Not going to work. Neither does a whisk. But we bought this,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4806.87,"endTime":4809.03,"body":"like, pretty cheap milk frother. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4809.49,"endTime":4812.03,"body":"Very cheap. Looks like it came from Alibaba or something."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4812.03,"endTime":4815.63,"body":"But it works super great. Yeah. I don't know what else we're going to use it"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4815.63,"endTime":4819.39,"body":"for because we don't drink coffee, but I don't know what else you'd froth your milk."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4819.65,"endTime":4825.09,"body":"But it's a great little egg white powder blender thing. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4825.57,"endTime":4827.57,"body":"If you don't want to get out a whole blender, which I didn't feel like."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4827.69,"endTime":4828.49,"body":"Yeah. Seems to work really well."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4828.55,"endTime":4831.71,"body":"Yeah. It like incorporates the powder really well. Yeah. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4833.36,"endTime":4838.4,"body":"So, would highly recommend. I mean, like, if you have the vegan egg white powder."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4838.66,"endTime":4838.82,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4839.78,"endTime":4841.06,"body":"We're going to try some other stuff,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4841.06,"endTime":4845.1,"body":"too. Also, I've been working on a high-protein cinnamon raisin bread."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4845.48,"endTime":4846.0,"body":"Oh, man."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4846.0,"endTime":4846.78,"body":"Which we had for breakfast."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4847.06,"endTime":4850.92,"body":"That's really awesome, too. I like how you got all the swirls and stuff that"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4850.92,"endTime":4854.04,"body":"look just like the raisin bread you see at Panera or whatever."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4854.2,"endTime":4858.36,"body":"I was, like, thinking, how do people do that? And then I was like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4858.4,"endTime":4861.88,"body":"I'm just going to try, like, that cinnamon roll method where you just,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4861.9,"endTime":4865.96,"body":"like, lay it all flat. and then, like, sprinkle it and then roll it. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4866.22,"endTime":4870.72,"body":"Which was kind of hard because it's, like, it's not really, like, a full dough."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4870.96,"endTime":4874.6,"body":"Yeah. You know, because it's, like, the main ingredient is vital wheat gluten."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4874.82,"endTime":4876.9,"body":"So it's a little different than bread dough."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4877.22,"endTime":4877.34,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4878.0,"endTime":4880.44,"body":"But, yeah, I think it was pretty close. I need to make a couple adjustments,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4880.68,"endTime":4881.94,"body":"but hopefully I'll have the recipe out next week."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4882.2,"endTime":4882.94,"body":"Yeah, that's great."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4883.2,"endTime":4884.46,"body":"What about you? You got any updates?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4884.82,"endTime":4889.26,"body":"Yeah. So the, you know, we wrapped up recently a couple weeks ago the Veganuary"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4889.26,"endTime":4895.72,"body":"giveaway training stuff. So now that that is over, I finally posted the page"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4895.72,"endTime":4897.82,"body":"for like paid training clients."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4897.98,"endTime":4901.84,"body":"So I'm now taking some new clients now that I have the freed up slots from the"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4901.84,"endTime":4903.26,"body":"couple of the Veganuary training people."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4903.88,"endTime":4907.36,"body":"So, yeah, if you're looking for, you know, any online coaching,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4907.86,"endTime":4911.48,"body":"personal training, nutrition coaching, check out my website and the show notes"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4911.48,"endTime":4913.14,"body":"and see if it's a good fit for you."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4913.34,"endTime":4917.78,"body":"He's really good and he's really nice. So you should do it."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4919.81,"endTime":4923.23,"body":"Yeah, so we appreciate everybody listening. If you could leave us a review on"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4923.23,"endTime":4925.51,"body":"Apple Podcasts and Spotify, that helps us out a lot."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4925.69,"endTime":4928.21,"body":"You can also leave comments on Spotify and YouTube."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4929.07,"endTime":4932.23,"body":"Also, in the show notes, we have our Deficient Vegans Discord channel."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4932.77,"endTime":4935.79,"body":"We have a lot of people talking about cool things. I think we're going to be"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4935.79,"endTime":4939.37,"body":"starting a kind of a step challenge type deal in there."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4939.47,"endTime":4942.75,"body":"We saw another group of people we know do something like that recently."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4942.87,"endTime":4944.49,"body":"It looked like a pretty cool idea. It's genius."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4944.79,"endTime":4945.77,"body":"They're geniuses."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4945.91,"endTime":4948.85,"body":"Yeah, so there's like a cool app where you can basically create a little step challenge."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4948.85,"endTime":4950.21,"body":"With a group of people."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4950.45,"endTime":4954.15,"body":"Yeah. Step up, yeah. So we'll have that going on in the Discord over the next couple weeks."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4955.61,"endTime":4957.95,"body":"Yeah. And then in the show notes, you can also find our website,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4958.11,"endTime":4960.19,"body":"social media, if you want to reach out, ask us questions."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4960.45,"endTime":4965.09,"body":"Especially on this episode specifically, you know, I learned a lot when I was"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4965.09,"endTime":4968.13,"body":"looking through kind of the details for this one and looking through some of the data."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4968.63,"endTime":4971.45,"body":"I still want to learn a lot more about a lot of these different things."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4971.57,"endTime":4975.41,"body":"So if you have anything that you feel like maybe missed the mark on or you have"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4975.41,"endTime":4978.89,"body":"additional, you know, information about, please share that, Whether it's in"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4978.89,"endTime":4981.79,"body":"a comment or you can reach out in a DM if you just want to talk about it privately."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4982.49,"endTime":4986.05,"body":"I'd love to hear more about, like, some of these issues that people talk about."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4986.83,"endTime":4988.25,"body":"We're okay with being proven wrong."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4989.27,"endTime":4992.53,"body":"Yeah, obviously. Yeah. Yeah, I don't want to put out bad information, so."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4992.67,"endTime":4998.49,"body":"No, and if you think of any other ways, like, where veganism is kind of a privilege"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4998.49,"endTime":5004.01,"body":"take, like, let us know those. I think we tried to cover the majority of the,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":5004.05,"endTime":5006.57,"body":"like, popular ones that we've been seeing, but, like, I'm sure there are others."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":5006.69,"endTime":5009.43,"body":"So, if you have others. Yeah. You can share those as well."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5009.57,"endTime":5012.55,"body":"Yeah, whether you're a vegan who has heard some of these issues or you're a"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5012.55,"endTime":5015.83,"body":"non-vegan who says, hey, I heard what you said. I don't really agree with it."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5015.91,"endTime":5019.45,"body":"Or you didn't cover this whole other area of things that are totally problematic."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5019.93,"endTime":5021.09,"body":"I definitely want to hear those."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":5021.21,"endTime":5023.57,"body":"It's a huge issue. So, like, there's definitely going to be some gaps."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":5024.03,"endTime":5026.17,"body":"Perhaps we had some bad takes. Let us know."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5026.45,"endTime":5027.13,"body":"Yeah, cool."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":5027.23,"endTime":5028.01,"body":"We have thick skin."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":5030.23,"endTime":5030.59,"body":"Also..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":5032.01,"endTime":5034.39,"body":"I wanted to apologize to the golfers."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5034.69,"endTime":5034.87,"body":"Oh."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5036.93,"endTime":5040.91,"body":"Yeah, so on the last podcast, we said something like, it was basically like"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5040.91,"endTime":5042.29,"body":"golfing isn't a workout, right?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":5042.43,"endTime":5046.27,"body":"Yeah. I didn't realize, because I've only been golfing twice,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":5046.27,"endTime":5051.13,"body":"I'm so sorry. I did not realize people were, like, toting around their own golf"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":5051.13,"endTime":5052.61,"body":"bags and not using carts."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5052.83,"endTime":5057.13,"body":"Yeah, and I had been golfing, and Rog in our Discord reminded us that the golf"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5057.13,"endTime":5059.07,"body":"bags are a thing. And I was like, oh, right."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5059.17,"endTime":5062.41,"body":"I do remember now. Those are so heavy. I do remember now hefting around the"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5062.41,"endTime":5064.61,"body":"golf bag and that was a big pain in the ass."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":5064.71,"endTime":5068.35,"body":"Yeah. So if you're like walking around with a golf bag, you're right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":5068.37,"endTime":5072.67,"body":"That's a workout. That's cardio. That's resistance training. I agree."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5073.07,"endTime":5074.63,"body":"Yeah. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":5075.91,"endTime":5081.25,"body":"So if you join the discord, you can tell us how dumb we are. I have learned a lot."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5081.49,"endTime":5085.43,"body":"Yeah. That's actually the best way to do it because you can really get in long"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5085.43,"endTime":5087.93,"body":"and in depth about everything we get wrong."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":5088.13,"endTime":5088.45,"body":"There you go."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5089.53,"endTime":5093.43,"body":"All right. Well, we appreciate you guys listening. I think that's all we have"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5093.43,"endTime":5094.39,"body":"for today. Do you want to say bye?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":5094.63,"endTime":5095.17,"body":"Bye, guys."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5095.31,"endTime":5095.73,"body":"Bye, everybody."}]}