{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":0.02,"endTime":5.16,"body":"Welcome to the Deficient Vegans Podcast, episode 50. I'm the muscle deficient"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5.16,"endTime":8.66,"body":"vegan here with the protein deficient vegan. Do you want to say hi? Hi! Hi, everybody."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":8.92,"endTime":12.64,"body":"So for our 50th episode, we're going to be covering veganism and masculinity."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":13.22,"endTime":16.3,"body":"And since I have a lot of opinions on this, I'll be giving you way more than"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":16.3,"endTime":18.16,"body":"my two cents, more like my 50 cents."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":18.74,"endTime":23.66,"body":"We're going to party like it's your birthday. Get it? 50-cent reference?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":23.94,"endTime":26.16,"body":"Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Into club."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":30.66,"endTime":31.78,"body":"Hello, fellow students."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":36.22,"endTime":39.16,"body":"Also, we will talk about our myth of the week this week, which is that you don't"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":39.16,"endTime":40.66,"body":"need to care about complete proteins at all."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":41.04,"endTime":42.02,"body":"I've heard this one."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":42.2,"endTime":42.64,"body":"What do you think?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":43.04,"endTime":43.9,"body":"We'll find out."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":44.62,"endTime":46.1,"body":"But first up, new news."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":46.2,"endTime":47.32,"body":"New news."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":48.02,"endTime":52.06,"body":"A Chilean food company, NotCo, was in a legal fight recently with the dairy"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":52.06,"endTime":54.82,"body":"industry there over their NotMilk product."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":55.88,"endTime":59.02,"body":"It's basically a plant-based milk alternative. It's called NotMilk."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":59.02,"endTime":62.8,"body":"And the legal fight was over them using the word milk and having a picture of"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":62.8,"endTime":64.1,"body":"a crossed out cow on the label."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":64.26,"endTime":67.34,"body":"The court ruled that they can keep their trademark name, not milk,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":67.52,"endTime":71.38,"body":"but they have to remove the word milk and any images portraying the dairy industry"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":71.38,"endTime":72.34,"body":"from any of their marketing."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":73.06,"endTime":77.36,"body":"How much more clear can they get? It says it's not milk on the freaking carton."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":77.46,"endTime":80.6,"body":"Yeah, I guess it's good. They get to keep that part, but they had some slogans"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":80.6,"endTime":83.3,"body":"that were like milk without the cows or something like that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":83.42,"endTime":86.4,"body":"And so they can't use that stuff anymore. Although it sounds like they're going"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":86.4,"endTime":89.84,"body":"to have a little bit of a bonus here because I guess they're going to be the"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":89.84,"endTime":94.1,"body":"only plant-based milk in Chile that's allowed to use the word milk because it's"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":94.1,"endTime":96.56,"body":"part of their trademark name. So that's interesting."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":97.92,"endTime":101.7,"body":"These fights that keep happening in various countries and states are so interesting"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":101.7,"endTime":103.86,"body":"to me. Yeah. It just seems so stupid."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":104.44,"endTime":108.44,"body":"I genuinely don't understand who's looking at these things on the shelf and"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":108.44,"endTime":111.52,"body":"can't tell what kind of milk it is. Like they say almond milk, oat milk, whatever."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":111.76,"endTime":115.38,"body":"Yeah. And quote unquote normal milk, whatever. Doesn't say cow milk."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":115.56,"endTime":120.46,"body":"I know. Like, can I sue them because I bought normal milk and I thought it was"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":120.46,"endTime":122.9,"body":"buffalo milk because it didn't say what animal it came from?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":123.02,"endTime":123.22,"body":"Right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":123.44,"endTime":129.3,"body":"This is very silly. Yeah. Also, back to, like, they're not having the cow picture crossed out."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":129.4,"endTime":131.82,"body":"What if people can't read? That's very useful."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":132.02,"endTime":133.14,"body":"That's a really good point."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":133.14,"endTime":135.36,"body":"That doesn't come from a cow because the cow's crossed out."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":135.42,"endTime":137.32,"body":"That's just good accessibility practices."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":137.58,"endTime":140.48,"body":"Right. They hate people that can't read."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":143.0,"endTime":147.28,"body":"Next up, Violife, the vegan cheese company, won four tasty awards."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":147.54,"endTime":151.48,"body":"The categories they won in were creamer, cream cheese, butter, and sour cream."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":152.0,"endTime":157.24,"body":"Ooh. Yeah. And then they also won Best Staple Cheese in the VegNews Veggie Awards."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":157.6,"endTime":160.9,"body":"What's staple cheese? You think it's just like the shredded cheeses and stuff?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":161.06,"endTime":162.06,"body":"Yeah, it was their shredded cheeses."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":162.32,"endTime":163.56,"body":"That's what I always use."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":163.72,"endTime":163.88,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":164.5,"endTime":168.58,"body":"I also like all the other things you mentioned except for creamer because I don't drink coffee."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":168.86,"endTime":172.38,"body":"Violife's cream cheese is actually their best-selling product. I didn't realize that."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":172.52,"endTime":175.84,"body":"That's kind of surprising. Yeah. I would say that Violife and the Philadelphia"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":175.84,"endTime":178.38,"body":"cream cheese, vegan cream cheese. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":178.78,"endTime":181.54,"body":"Those are like my two favorite vegan cream cheeses. They're really similar."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":181.54,"endTime":185.66,"body":"Yeah, Philadelphia is definitely my favorite. The VegNews Veggie Awards,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":185.68,"endTime":187.62,"body":"the winner for cream cheese was actually Kite Hill."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":188.26,"endTime":192.3,"body":"Hmm. Which I'm not a big fan of, personally. But Violife did come in second."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":192.36,"endTime":193.48,"body":"Who's voting for Kite Hill?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":193.68,"endTime":197.18,"body":"I don't know. A lot of people on the VegNews site. Hmm. Maybe they had a good"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":197.18,"endTime":198.5,"body":"marketing campaign. Go vote for us."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":198.5,"endTime":202.74,"body":"Yeah, maybe. You know, I used to like the Miyokos one. It was really good to"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":202.74,"endTime":204.42,"body":"cook with because it wasn't oil-based."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":204.6,"endTime":204.76,"body":"No."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":205.48,"endTime":209.62,"body":"But, yeah, you can't really, like, you probably shouldn't make a cheesecake"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":209.62,"endTime":214.06,"body":"with Violife cream cheese because it's mostly coconut oil and it just melts."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":214.3,"endTime":218.0,"body":"Yeah. I'm a big fan of the flavored cream cheese. It's like the strawberry one. Me too."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":218.12,"endTime":219.1,"body":"Or the chive one."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":219.16,"endTime":222.2,"body":"Oh, the chive one's really good. Yeah. Yeah, Philadelphia's strawberry is really good."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":222.42,"endTime":227.62,"body":"Did I ever tell you about the time I tried making a, like, vegan cream cheese"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":227.62,"endTime":229.5,"body":"wonton crab rangoon type thing?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":229.64,"endTime":234.42,"body":"Oh, yes. Yeah. And they had the oven situation? Yeah. Tell us more about that."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":234.42,"endTime":238.74,"body":"So basically, I used Veo Life cream cheese, not considering the fact that it"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":238.74,"endTime":241.66,"body":"just completely melts into oil. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":241.96,"endTime":244.72,"body":"And so, like, I made my little wontons with my little, like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":245.0,"endTime":250.44,"body":"cream cheese and green onion filling and stuff. And I put them in my air fryer."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":250.58,"endTime":256.32,"body":"And all of a sudden, like, within five to ten minutes, the house starts smelling really bad."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":256.5,"endTime":256.68,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":256.88,"endTime":261.98,"body":"And I'm like, I look over and there's literally oil leaking onto the counter"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":261.98,"endTime":263.84,"body":"out of the air fryer bottom."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":263.84,"endTime":264.26,"body":"Oh, my gosh."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":264.42,"endTime":269.06,"body":"And it like completely messed up my air fryer and I had to like really scrub it."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":269.44,"endTime":272.56,"body":"Wow. Were you still able to use it after that? Yeah. Okay. That's good."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":272.68,"endTime":277.08,"body":"So I broke it later during other kitchen experiments, but like that time I could save it."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":277.16,"endTime":279.42,"body":"Is that the one you broke with your seitan balls? Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":280.46,"endTime":280.7,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":281.38,"endTime":284.46,"body":"One of the two that we broke with the seitan balls."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":285.06,"endTime":289.44,"body":"If you're wondering why I don't have many air fryer recipes, I have PTSD here."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":290.12,"endTime":294.34,"body":"Also, the recipe now tells you how not to break your air fryer when you make"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":294.34,"endTime":296.7,"body":"them. So they're risk-free now."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":296.92,"endTime":297.8,"body":"It's an expensive mistake."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":299.88,"endTime":304.42,"body":"The last piece of news we have is that the UK startup Meatly is building what"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":304.42,"endTime":307.0,"body":"will be Europe's largest cultivated meat plant in London."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":307.62,"endTime":310.4,"body":"They're planning to have pet food products launched by 2027."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":310.9,"endTime":314.6,"body":"I guess originally, I think the company was called Better Dog Food or something like that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":314.68,"endTime":317.96,"body":"So they're mostly focused on pet food cultivated meat products right now."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":317.96,"endTime":323.02,"body":"I think that's cool because obviously there are a lot of pets that are being"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":323.02,"endTime":324.54,"body":"fed a lot of animals, right? So..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":325.26,"endTime":329.32,"body":"And it seems like what I'm seeing online, there are a lot of people that are"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":329.32,"endTime":331.12,"body":"saying they'll never eat cultivated meat."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":331.26,"endTime":336.14,"body":"They have, like, a real weird aversion to that. So if you can replace the animals"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":336.14,"endTime":338.26,"body":"that are being fed to other animals."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":338.76,"endTime":341.86,"body":"Right. That would cut down animals in general, right? Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":342.24,"endTime":346.18,"body":"Yeah, my understanding is that cats are obligate carnivores, so they have to eat meat."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":346.34,"endTime":350.7,"body":"So a lot of vegans struggle with, like, I have a cat, but I have to keep feeding"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":350.7,"endTime":352.7,"body":"an animal product. Yeah. So this could solve that problem."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":353.1,"endTime":354.56,"body":"Yeah, I think it's a really cool idea."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":354.82,"endTime":355.0,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":355.26,"endTime":356.7,"body":"Be interested to see how it evolves."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":357.1,"endTime":359.94,"body":"Right. All right. Let's get into the main segment here. We're going to talk"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":359.94,"endTime":364.66,"body":"about kind of the intersection between veganism and masculinity because that exists for some reason."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":366.86,"endTime":370.92,"body":"And specifically how being vegan is often seen as less masculine."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":372.5,"endTime":374.6,"body":"Spoiler alert, you can thank the patriarchy."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":375.44,"endTime":377.42,"body":"I think most things fall into that category."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":377.48,"endTime":378.04,"body":"Yeah, I know."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":378.04,"endTime":382.88,"body":"The general argument here is usually something like men evolved as hunters,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":383.58,"endTime":388.76,"body":"meat delivers cholesterol, B12, zinc, creatine, complete proteins."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":389.16,"endTime":391.28,"body":"Really good for their man brains and stuff."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":391.54,"endTime":397.4,"body":"Yeah, man brains are important. And then also plant estrogens feminize the body is one of the arguments."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":397.9,"endTime":403.04,"body":"I actually have a funny story here. Okay. I just got a comment on one of my"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":403.04,"endTime":410.98,"body":"videos that said that basically my video was about how people keep saying that TVP is prison food."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":411.38,"endTime":415.34,"body":"Right. So like then I have this lady that was like, I was in prison and actually"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":415.34,"endTime":418.78,"body":"we sued the prison because the TVP made the men lactate."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":418.98,"endTime":423.76,"body":"Yeah. I'll take things that never happened for a thousand Alex or Ken Jennings."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":423.94,"endTime":424.32,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":425.45,"endTime":429.73,"body":"And yeah, the last argument they typically use is something really vague,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":429.91,"endTime":432.97,"body":"like modern men are softer than their grandfathers or whatever."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":434.59,"endTime":436.21,"body":"Maybe that's a good thing."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":436.39,"endTime":440.25,"body":"So you probably heard the term soy boy when talking about vegan or vegetarian men before."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":440.53,"endTime":443.15,"body":"So in a little bit, we'll talk about kind of where that came from."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":443.25,"endTime":446.11,"body":"But that helps set the frame for like this general idea."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":446.45,"endTime":451.21,"body":"Right. And, you know, now a lot of us have also reclaimed that and proud soy boys. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":451.65,"endTime":453.61,"body":"Save a cow. Ride a soy boy."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":453.81,"endTime":459.41,"body":"There you go. And the real question in all of these conversations isn't even"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":459.41,"endTime":462.23,"body":"really, is veganism healthy or can vegans build muscle?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":462.51,"endTime":465.21,"body":"Like, those are different conversations that we've also approached."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":465.43,"endTime":469.55,"body":"But it's really like, why is veganism ever framed as a masculinity question?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":469.55,"endTime":472.35,"body":"Yeah, why is there like a gender assigned to food?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":472.51,"endTime":477.53,"body":"Yeah, like, where did that come from? Yeah. So, like with most modern cultural"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":477.53,"endTime":479.59,"body":"ideas, it's the answer is marketing."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":480.81,"endTime":487.75,"body":"So, it was like a long history of framing specific foods and products as masculine to try to sell to men."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":488.17,"endTime":493.49,"body":"One of the earliest examples of this is actually a really interesting one from 1954, the Marlboro Man."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":493.95,"endTime":498.75,"body":"So, originally, Marlboro cigarettes were launched to be a woman's product,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":498.97,"endTime":500.09,"body":"basically filtered cigarettes."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":500.49,"endTime":505.07,"body":"And after a while, the health implications of cigarettes started coming out."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":505.07,"endTime":507.87,"body":"So they wanted to try to sell filtered cigarettes to other people because they"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":507.87,"endTime":511.01,"body":"were, I guess, slightly more healthy. Quote unquote healthier. Right."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":512.25,"endTime":515.05,"body":"But they had a real problem because this was seen as like a woman's cigarette."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":515.35,"endTime":520.69,"body":"So they launched the Marlboro Man campaign to try to sell filtered cigarettes to men."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":521.35,"endTime":526.13,"body":"And, you know, it worked. Basically, they created their campaign around the"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":526.13,"endTime":530.01,"body":"cowboy and all the cowboy imagery and all that stuff, like a rugged blue collar"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":530.01,"endTime":532.93,"body":"man to convince men that, like,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":533.07,"endTime":536.57,"body":"it was OK to use filtered cigarettes that were previously a woman's thing."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":536.73,"endTime":538.39,"body":"That's crazy that that worked."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":538.69,"endTime":543.85,"body":"Yeah, it worked like gangbusters because their sales tripled."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":544.09,"endTime":548.59,"body":"They went from being like less than one percent of the cigarette share to number"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":548.59,"endTime":550.99,"body":"four overall for cigarettes. Wow."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":551.19,"endTime":553.79,"body":"So this is like one of the most successful marketing campaigns of all time."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":554.07,"endTime":556.79,"body":"Just because they put a cowboy there. Yeah. And they were like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":557.23,"endTime":559.31,"body":"no, no, it's not a more safe cigarette."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":559.41,"endTime":562.11,"body":"You're still dangerous. You're still a rugged cowboy."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":562.45,"endTime":566.53,"body":"Yeah. And a lot of their competitors at the time were leaning into like,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":566.65,"endTime":570.07,"body":"this is how we're making ours a little healthier or like the technology of the"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":570.07,"endTime":571.35,"body":"filters and all that stuff."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":571.65,"endTime":574.15,"body":"And Marlboro was just like, we're going to go a totally different direction."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":574.25,"endTime":578.37,"body":"We're going to put a cowboy man on the screen. And it worked."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":578.37,"endTime":584.59,"body":"I think that we need a vegan food creator to dress up like a cowboy when they cook."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":584.75,"endTime":585.13,"body":"There you go."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":585.95,"endTime":588.49,"body":"Flip an eggplant on the grill in their cowboy"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":588.49,"endTime":590.27,"body":"Hat are you volunteering no."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":590.27,"endTime":591.29,"body":"I can't be a cowboy"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":593.31,"endTime":597.73,"body":"We'll have to let some feelers out see who's down for that um and"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":597.73,"endTime":600.89,"body":"then you know this led to other marketing"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":600.89,"endTime":604.57,"body":"campaigns kind of leaning into this type of thing in the future in 1973 hungry"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":604.57,"endTime":608.25,"body":"man dinners you've probably heard of hungry man this is a really popular one"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":608.25,"endTime":613.07,"body":"uh the box literally said eat like a man in capital letters and they had a lot"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":613.07,"endTime":617.53,"body":"of pro athletes as spokesmen um their foods in there eating like a man is apparently"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":617.53,"endTime":621.59,"body":"salisbury steak fried chicken meatloaf things like that this."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":621.59,"endTime":626.19,"body":"Is funny to me because uh i think basically the opposite of that in the frozen"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":626.19,"endTime":629.79,"body":"food space is like lean cuisines which are mostly marketed to women where it's"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":629.79,"endTime":634.27,"body":"like all you need is 350 calories a meal girl you gotta keep"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":634.27,"endTime":638.25,"body":"Thin or weight watchers yeah meals or whatever they have meals right yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":638.25,"endTime":642.15,"body":"Yeah but men are like you need to eat because you got strong man things to"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":642.15,"endTime":649.81,"body":"Do yeah yeah exactly it's always very vain it's just like eat this and you'll"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":649.81,"endTime":654.07,"body":"be a man and you're like okay yeah i want to be that sounds pretty good you've."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":654.07,"endTime":658.71,"body":"Got like really cool man shit to do like watching dinner while eating this hungry"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":658.71,"endTime":660.31,"body":"man meal and you need calories"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":662.07,"endTime":668.91,"body":"Next in 2006 burger king had their eat like a man man commercials uh their commercials"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":668.91,"endTime":672.85,"body":"talked about not eating chick food, and instead you should eat the Texas Double Whopper."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":673.63,"endTime":678.71,"body":"You know, honestly, those weren't as bad as the Carl's Jr.'s ones, which were like..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":679.57,"endTime":684.19,"body":"Oh, let's just exploit women's bodies to try to convince men to eat meat."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":684.43,"endTime":687.97,"body":"Right. Yeah. I don't really understand the logic there, but I guess it works. I don't know."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":689.23,"endTime":691.73,"body":"Somehow it works. You guys should think about why that works."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":692.77,"endTime":696.41,"body":"And then we had two big things in 2011. One was really interesting."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":696.55,"endTime":700.21,"body":"It only lived for a couple of years, but Dr. Pepper 10 was a thing for a while."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":700.21,"endTime":702.29,"body":"I don't even remember that. I think it was out for like six years."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":702.63,"endTime":706.37,"body":"And it was Dr. Pepper. There was 10 calories. So it was basically Diet Dr. Pepper, right?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":706.57,"endTime":709.73,"body":"But diet drinks are for girls. So Dr."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":709.87,"endTime":714.81,"body":"Pepper 10 was marketed as it's not for women. And it was like a gunmetal gray can."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":716.01,"endTime":718.53,"body":"And they had a man-only Facebook page."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":719.65,"endTime":720.17,"body":"Okay."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":721.49,"endTime":726.29,"body":"And a bunch of typical macho man advertising. But it was to get men to buy a"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":726.29,"endTime":730.37,"body":"low-calorie soft drink without saying, like, you're on a diet or whatever."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":730.93,"endTime":731.45,"body":"Ridiculous."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":731.73,"endTime":734.39,"body":"Yeah. Also fairly effective, but it wasn't around very long."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":734.39,"endTime":739.75,"body":"They should have just said, if you drink Dr. Pepper 10, you can go eat more"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":739.75,"endTime":742.55,"body":"Hunger Man dinner and Burger King Whoppers."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":742.57,"endTime":744.29,"body":"While you smoke your Marlboro cigarettes."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":745.23,"endTime":746.47,"body":"In cowboy boots."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":746.89,"endTime":750.95,"body":"2011 also had the man crates come out. Yeah. This is another example of man marketing."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":751.13,"endTime":754.83,"body":"So like the little box of beef jerky or bacon comes with a crowbar."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":754.95,"endTime":758.05,"body":"You have to pry it open. Right. Yeah. So there's just a lot of marketing around like."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":758.05,"endTime":760.67,"body":"That's stuff men do. That's how you wrap presents as a man."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":760.89,"endTime":766.35,"body":"Yeah. And so that leads us to 2017, where the term soy boy,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":766.59,"endTime":771.45,"body":"while it was already kind of around in like in real life a little bit and areas,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":771.53,"endTime":777.41,"body":"it really jumped on the scene online and turned into a meme where it was basically"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":777.41,"endTime":780.79,"body":"like a dismissive term for men who lack masculine characteristics."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":781.19,"endTime":783.53,"body":"Right. And just in general, it encompasses everything. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":784.17,"endTime":788.27,"body":"But it's, you know, really heavily used to describe vegan vegetarian men now."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":788.79,"endTime":793.23,"body":"So, fun fact, one of the earliest documented uses of the term soy boy was actually"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":793.23,"endTime":796.77,"body":"in Kurt Cobain's diaries that they found after he died. Hmm."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":797.57,"endTime":799.21,"body":"Wouldn't have expected that from you, Kurt."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":799.47,"endTime":803.33,"body":"Yeah. It didn't seem super derogatory. Yeah, yeah. It was kind of a weird picture."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":803.35,"endTime":805.17,"body":"Also, you probably didn't think anyone was going to be, like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":805.47,"endTime":806.23,"body":"going through his diary."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":806.53,"endTime":808.95,"body":"Honestly, if I died and people went through, I don't keep a diary,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":809.03,"endTime":811.01,"body":"but if they went through my diary, I'd be kind of pissed. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":811.25,"endTime":813.09,"body":"Like, you're commercializing my diary?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":813.29,"endTime":813.47,"body":"Right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":813.89,"endTime":815.93,"body":"That's fucked up. How do you even get permission to do that?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":816.05,"endTime":818.09,"body":"Yeah, I don't know. I think they're in some museum or something now,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":818.17,"endTime":819.33,"body":"which would be a nightmare."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":820.03,"endTime":822.65,"body":"Yeah. Everyone reading your personal thoughts and stuff,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":822.91,"endTime":823.21,"body":"You."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":823.51,"endTime":825.83,"body":"Right. How do I make sure that doesn't happen? Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":826.39,"endTime":831.07,"body":"And apparently Katy Perry also used it in a really terrible music video from 2008."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":831.65,"endTime":836.35,"body":"We suffered through this music video to give you this information."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":836.75,"endTime":836.95,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":837.49,"endTime":841.69,"body":"It was like the cringiest movie music. I don't even use the word cringe, but that was cringy."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":841.83,"endTime":842.79,"body":"Yeah, it was pretty awful."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":843.29,"endTime":848.91,"body":"Yeah, and she was saying stuff like, what is it, like, you don't eat meat and you're gay, basically."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":849.19,"endTime":850.75,"body":"Yeah, that was actually the hook, I think."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":850.95,"endTime":853.43,"body":"Yeah, it was really stupid."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":854.55,"endTime":857.77,"body":"So anyway uh yeah thanks Katy Perry right so"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":857.77,"endTime":860.45,"body":"that was in 2008 it kind of that was the first online use of"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":860.45,"endTime":863.45,"body":"it that they that's been seen and then later on"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":863.45,"endTime":868.55,"body":"in like 2017 it came up on the 4chan forums and then some uh like political"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":868.55,"endTime":872.55,"body":"you know influencer guy caught on to it and then it just kind of took off and"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":872.55,"endTime":875.51,"body":"it's been in mainstream use since then so the theme of all this is that the"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":875.51,"endTime":880.75,"body":"implication is i guess if you're not helping your cardiologist retire early"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":880.75,"endTime":882.49,"body":"you're not a real man yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":882.49,"endTime":884.81,"body":"That's the best thing you can do as a man"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":884.81,"endTime":888.71,"body":"Yeah it's just it's this general idea of like if you care about your health"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":888.71,"endTime":893.43,"body":"that's not manly yeah and um you know if you care about like what people think"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":893.43,"endTime":895.53,"body":"that's not manly a lot of that kind of which."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":895.53,"endTime":898.59,"body":"Is funny because obviously you care about what people think if you're letting"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":898.59,"endTime":903.03,"body":"these commercials like convince you oh yeah that eating a whopper is going to turn you into a man"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":903.03,"endTime":905.71,"body":"Right yeah exactly i don't know i."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":905.71,"endTime":907.39,"body":"Think the also the implication is like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":908.22,"endTime":915.92,"body":"So if you eat in any way that it's perceived women eat, then basically you're a loser and not a man."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":916.24,"endTime":920.04,"body":"Yeah. Men are apparently terrified to not be thought of as manly."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":920.34,"endTime":922.7,"body":"Yeah. So marketing is highly effective."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":923.44,"endTime":927.06,"body":"Just a couple of the scientific things that refute a couple of the things that"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":927.06,"endTime":930.42,"body":"people typically argue about. First of all, soy and testosterone."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":931.62,"endTime":936.56,"body":"So there's a really common refrain online that soy will make you,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":936.82,"endTime":941.12,"body":"basically will feminize men, which typically means lower testosterone, increase estrogen."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":941.4,"endTime":942.36,"body":"Make you lactate."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":943.34,"endTime":945.14,"body":"Yeah. Well, that would be..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":945.14,"endTime":945.74,"body":"Impressive."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":946.02,"endTime":946.72,"body":"Very impressive."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":946.92,"endTime":949.56,"body":"If a man is lactating, they should be making some money off that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":949.66,"endTime":949.9,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":950.36,"endTime":952.1,"body":"Man milk. You could sell man milk."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":952.1,"endTime":957.22,"body":"So there have been over 40 controlled studies that show pretty definitively"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":957.22,"endTime":961.86,"body":"that soy and isoflavones, which are the things from the phytoestrogens in soy"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":961.86,"endTime":965.36,"body":"that people are concerned about, do not lower testosterone in men."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":965.68,"endTime":967.92,"body":"It doesn't happen. It has no difference."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":968.78,"endTime":970.52,"body":"Estrogen's a little more nuanced."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":971.42,"endTime":978.1,"body":"But basically, if you look at a group of average studies, it shows no difference in estrogen."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":978.1,"endTime":981.94,"body":"There was one analysis that was like a dose response analysis,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":981.96,"endTime":987.7,"body":"which basically looked at like how much soy or how much isoflavone intake will"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":987.7,"endTime":990.38,"body":"it take to move estrogen levels basically in men."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":990.72,"endTime":995.72,"body":"So they saw that there was a really small estrogen bump of like 6.5 picograms"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":995.72,"endTime":999.74,"body":"per milliliter at around 72 milligrams a day of isoflavones,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":999.86,"endTime":1001.18,"body":"which is like two to three servings of tofu."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1002.11,"endTime":1008.37,"body":"So, 6.5 picograms or whatever, a typical reading for a man is like 10 to 40."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1008.59,"endTime":1013.75,"body":"So, that's not really a big jump in the range. You're still well within normal range."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1014.29,"endTime":1017.83,"body":"It doesn't do anything to your testosterone. It doesn't do anything for your performance."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1018.23,"endTime":1022.13,"body":"You won't even notice it. And then there's the aspect that estrogen is actually"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1022.13,"endTime":1023.19,"body":"kind of cardioprotective."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1023.37,"endTime":1027.61,"body":"So, even if it did cause slightly elevated estrogen, that would probably be"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1027.61,"endTime":1030.73,"body":"a net benefit. And it definitely wouldn't make you more feminine."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1030.73,"endTime":1032.51,"body":"Yeah, it's not going to make you feminine,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1032.51,"endTime":1033.21,"body":"Though. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1034.57,"endTime":1037.99,"body":"Also, doesn't Say Grace have the isoflavones removed?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1038.25,"endTime":1043.07,"body":"Say Grace specifically, which is like the concentrated soy protein product. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1044.13,"endTime":1047.69,"body":"They basically have a process that strips out all the isoflavones."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1047.85,"endTime":1051.85,"body":"So normally you would think like the more concentrated the soy product is,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1052.01,"endTime":1054.23,"body":"the more this might theoretically be a problem."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1054.37,"endTime":1058.01,"body":"But that's like the most concentrated high protein soy product on the market."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1058.01,"endTime":1061.09,"body":"and they just completely strip them out so they don't have to have this argument"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1061.09,"endTime":1063.91,"body":"with people basically. And that's actually what their website says."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1064.41,"endTime":1066.39,"body":"We don't want to have the argument so we're taking it out."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1067.11,"endTime":1069.45,"body":"Say grace is for the manliest of men. Oh yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1070.35,"endTime":1074.47,"body":"So the cherry-picked counter-evidence that basically is the entire reason this"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1074.47,"endTime":1078.53,"body":"argument comes up over and over is because one case study from a while back,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1079.28,"endTime":1084.52,"body":"Where a 60-year-old man was drinking three quarts of soy milk every day."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1085.48,"endTime":1086.38,"body":"That's a lot."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1086.6,"endTime":1092.48,"body":"Yeah. And had basically gynecomastia, which is where you have extra fatty breast tissue."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1092.74,"endTime":1096.68,"body":"Isn't that almost a gallon? That's like 75% of a gallon, right?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1096.76,"endTime":1100.94,"body":"Yeah, it's highly, it's a high volume. And the study was actually called an"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1100.94,"endTime":1106.6,"body":"unusual case of gynecomastia associated with soy product consumption."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1106.78,"endTime":1108.64,"body":"And then we're going to base everything off of that. Right."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1108.64,"endTime":1113.44,"body":"It doesn't happen. It's not been recreated ever. This one guy had this happen,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1113.58,"endTime":1116.78,"body":"and he did. He stopped drinking the soy milk, and it started to recede or whatever."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1117.0,"endTime":1120.44,"body":"But this was basically an unusual"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1120.44,"endTime":1122.92,"body":"case. This is not what actually happens when most people have this."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1123.28,"endTime":1127.06,"body":"I mean, also, most people obviously aren't drinking three quarts of soy milk a day."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1127.28,"endTime":1132.2,"body":"But I think even if most people did do that, they would not necessarily run into this issue. Right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1133.54,"endTime":1135.1,"body":"He was an outlier. Right."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1135.12,"endTime":1140.56,"body":"We're talking about one guy and one study versus over 30 controlled trials over"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1140.56,"endTime":1141.5,"body":"the history of researching."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1141.62,"endTime":1142.42,"body":"With more than one guy."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1142.62,"endTime":1147.12,"body":"Right. And because of that guy, this has been researched several times and it's"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1147.12,"endTime":1148.14,"body":"not a thing that comes up."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1148.78,"endTime":1152.58,"body":"I mean, just in the science itself, this is a complete non-issue,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1152.58,"endTime":1154.46,"body":"but it keeps coming up over and over."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1154.62,"endTime":1157.84,"body":"And, you know, I mentioned that the isoflavones come from phytoestrogens,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1158.08,"endTime":1161.82,"body":"which is basically plant estrogen, which is not the same as human estrogen."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1161.82,"endTime":1166.2,"body":"It's a much weaker form. So a lot of people hear phytoestrogens are in plants"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1166.2,"endTime":1169.9,"body":"and they're like, oh, I'm eating estrogen, which will increase my estrogen or"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1169.9,"endTime":1174.4,"body":"something, which is a totally different thing. It just happens to have the same word in it."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1174.88,"endTime":1178.84,"body":"I also think it's funny how I feel like most people that are freaking out about"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1178.84,"endTime":1179.9,"body":"this don't even understand."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1180.91,"endTime":1182.15,"body":"What estrogen is."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1182.43,"endTime":1182.61,"body":"No, yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1182.71,"endTime":1184.61,"body":"Or like how that impacts your body."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1184.79,"endTime":1186.61,"body":"No, they just know estrogen means woman."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1187.11,"endTime":1191.17,"body":"Estrogen girl. Man testosterone. Estrogen bad."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1191.47,"endTime":1195.53,"body":"If soy were doing what the meme says, basically half the Asian continent would"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1195.53,"endTime":1197.29,"body":"be growing breast tissue out of nowhere."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1197.51,"endTime":1201.85,"body":"They're obviously not. And the average Japanese adult eats like 25 to 50 milligrams"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1201.85,"endTime":1206.93,"body":"of flavone every day, which is well above Western intake levels for most people."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1207.01,"endTime":1208.51,"body":"Not for vegans, probably. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1208.65,"endTime":1215.61,"body":"Also, if soy just gave you big boobs, then, I mean, definitely like magazines"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1215.61,"endTime":1219.77,"body":"like Cosmopolitan would have picked up on this and be telling women to eat soy all day."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1219.95,"endTime":1220.13,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1220.63,"endTime":1223.37,"body":"Because they tell us a lot of random tips to get met. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1223.55,"endTime":1226.95,"body":"And there are also, you know, different situations where people might be on"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1226.95,"endTime":1230.97,"body":"like hormone replacements and they're taking estrogen injections or taking estrogen. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1231.15,"endTime":1233.85,"body":"And soy milk's a lot cheaper. So they'd probably just go that route if this"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1233.85,"endTime":1234.75,"body":"was reliable enough. That's true."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1235.51,"endTime":1238.47,"body":"Yeah, I mean, a lot of reasons where this is like obviously not the case."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1239.59,"endTime":1242.83,"body":"And then, you know, another one is the complete protein we talked about."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1243.21,"endTime":1245.67,"body":"We briefly mentioned we're going to talk about that a little bit of the myth"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1245.67,"endTime":1247.19,"body":"of the week. So I'm going to save that for there."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1247.55,"endTime":1252.97,"body":"But there are also, you know, a ton of high performing vegan athletes out there"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1252.97,"endTime":1257.93,"body":"that really dispel this like performance issue with soy or, you know,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1257.99,"endTime":1259.19,"body":"the vegan diet in general."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1259.89,"endTime":1264.33,"body":"And there's a great website I linked people do all the time called greatveganathletes.com."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1264.33,"endTime":1268.29,"body":"where it's got people from all kinds of different sports that like are elite levels in their sports."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1268.49,"endTime":1270.93,"body":"So I've got a couple here that I wanted to mention to just highlight."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1272.07,"endTime":1276.05,"body":"So Patrick Baboumian, he's been vegan since 2011."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1276.77,"endTime":1280.83,"body":"He's basically a strongman competitor. He holds the Guinness verified yoke walk"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1280.83,"endTime":1284.85,"body":"record, which is where you carry a big thing like up on your traps on the top"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1284.85,"endTime":1286.11,"body":"of your shoulders and you walk with it."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1286.23,"endTime":1287.53,"body":"He was doing that in Game Changers, right?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1287.61,"endTime":1289.47,"body":"Yeah, he was in Game Changers. He did that in Game Changers."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1290.33,"endTime":1293.91,"body":"He carried 1,224 pounds over 10 meters weight."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1294.62,"endTime":1298.14,"body":"And he set that at the Toronto Vegetarian Food Festival in 2013."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1298.5,"endTime":1303.82,"body":"Cool. And then he broke his own record with 500 and so that was 555 kilograms."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1304.16,"endTime":1308.42,"body":"He broke his own record with 560 kilograms again in 2015 and he's still vegan."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1309.18,"endTime":1309.9,"body":"That's awesome."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1310.1,"endTime":1313.74,"body":"Yeah. There's also Lewis Hamilton who people probably have heard of."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1314.56,"endTime":1319.14,"body":"A lot of people have heard of. He is a seven time Formula One world champion."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1319.4,"endTime":1320.92,"body":"So that's racing in cars."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1321.36,"endTime":1323.36,"body":"Yeah. I don't watch racing so I didn't know what that was."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1324.9,"endTime":1328.44,"body":"He's been vegan since 2017. He's still vegan, and he talks quite a bit about it."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1328.64,"endTime":1330.18,"body":"He can drive the car real good."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1330.5,"endTime":1334.68,"body":"Yeah, it's hard. It's like over 100 degrees in the car."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1334.92,"endTime":1339.28,"body":"They have to do neck exercises because of the G-force on them when they're driving at high speeds."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1340.22,"endTime":1342.92,"body":"And, you know, they've got to control the car. There's no power steering."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1343.08,"endTime":1345.0,"body":"It's actually pretty physically taxing."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1346.72,"endTime":1351.76,"body":"There's also Novak Djokovic. He's 24-time Grand Slam champion in tennis."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1352.44,"endTime":1355.5,"body":"He's been plant-based since 2010. And he doesn't use the word vegan,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1355.52,"endTime":1357.7,"body":"but it looks like he does follow a vegan diet."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1358.46,"endTime":1362.66,"body":"I think there are a couple other tennis players. Is one of the Williams sisters?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1362.66,"endTime":1364.34,"body":"Yeah, one of the Williams sisters was kind of famously vegan."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1364.34,"endTime":1366.02,"body":"Is she still vegan? I don't think so. Mm. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1366.38,"endTime":1367.14,"body":"Womp womp."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1367.24,"endTime":1372.64,"body":"Yeah. There's also Carl Lewis, nine-time Olympic gold medalist across four games."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1372.78,"endTime":1377.76,"body":"He went vegan in 1990 and then credited his 1991 World Championship season at"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1377.76,"endTime":1379.9,"body":"the peak of his career to the dietary chain specifically."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1380.14,"endTime":1383.34,"body":"That's so cool. The quote from him was, my best year of track competition was"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1383.34,"endTime":1384.66,"body":"the first year I ate a vegan diet."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1385.14,"endTime":1386.2,"body":"Yeah, Carl."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1387.23,"endTime":1390.77,"body":"Uh, and then the last one I have is Scott Jurek. Uh, I think he was also in"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1390.77,"endTime":1391.93,"body":"Game Changers if I remember right."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1392.35,"endTime":1396.73,"body":"Ultra Marathon Legend, seven time consecutive Western States 100 champion."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1396.95,"endTime":1400.85,"body":"He's been vegan since 1999. He wrote a book about it. He's like famously vegan."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1401.17,"endTime":1406.79,"body":"So, yeah, I mean, a lot of people obviously at the literal top of whatever they're doing on a vegan diet."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1407.19,"endTime":1411.83,"body":"So I think that would dispel any, you know, conversation about you can't be"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1411.83,"endTime":1413.67,"body":"a highly performant athlete on a vegan diet."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1413.85,"endTime":1415.41,"body":"And look how manly they are."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1415.57,"endTime":1415.79,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1416.09,"endTime":1416.95,"body":"So manly."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1417.89,"endTime":1421.85,"body":"Yeah, Patrick Baboumian looks like some kind of mix between. He's like a combination"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1421.85,"endTime":1424.55,"body":"of the Hulk and Wolverine. Yeah, yeah. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1425.29,"endTime":1429.97,"body":"He's huge. All right. Yeah, pretty much. So this vegans are weak meme just keeps"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1429.97,"endTime":1432.33,"body":"running into all these vegans who are definitely not weak."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1432.57,"endTime":1434.67,"body":"Yeah, yeah. It's hard to hold up. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1435.89,"endTime":1443.35,"body":"And then the entire kind of framing of masculinity is based on a lot of bullshit in general, right?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1443.51,"endTime":1449.27,"body":"So modern American meat consumption is unusual historically,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1449.61,"endTime":1451.31,"body":"like the amount of meat we eat now."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1452.55,"endTime":1455.93,"body":"If we go all the way back to like hunter versus gatherers in the caves,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1456.21,"endTime":1457.57,"body":"most of the food was gathered."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1458.05,"endTime":1461.13,"body":"Yeah. Like you had meat every once in a while. If you happen to see an animal"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1461.13,"endTime":1463.71,"body":"come across or you happen to have a good day on the hunt or whatever."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1463.71,"endTime":1467.21,"body":"But most of the stuff you're eating day to day was the gathered food."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1467.45,"endTime":1470.49,"body":"Right, because it was reliable. It was like a reliable source of calories."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1470.71,"endTime":1472.55,"body":"You knew how much you could have each day."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1472.73,"endTime":1476.89,"body":"Right. Also, going forward in time to more modern times, the U.S."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1477.01,"endTime":1482.15,"body":"per capita meat availability has nearly doubled since 1909 based on the USDA"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1482.15,"endTime":1483.85,"body":"Economic Research Service data."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1484.11,"endTime":1486.27,"body":"I think we can probably thank factory farming for that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1486.39,"endTime":1492.17,"body":"Oh, yeah. So your great grandfather probably ate about 75% as much meat as you do."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1492.75,"endTime":1496.55,"body":"And so that's pretty unfortunate data for people who think meat consumption"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1496.55,"endTime":1499.47,"body":"is closely tied to testosterone, which you also see a lot."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1499.57,"endTime":1502.69,"body":"People eat steak to raise your testosterone or whatever. And something going"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1502.69,"endTime":1503.97,"body":"back to the soy boy thing. Yeah, yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1504.19,"endTime":1507.89,"body":"Because our ancestors had higher testosterone levels. That part is true."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1508.25,"endTime":1512.13,"body":"But they had much lower meat consumption. And so our lower testosterone levels"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1512.13,"endTime":1517.33,"body":"now are linked in studies more to things like obesity, not getting as much sleep,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1517.61,"endTime":1520.23,"body":"stress, and environmental issues, things like that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1520.23,"endTime":1526.57,"body":"So the whole, like, ancestral masculine diet framing is just comparing to some imaginary past."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1526.59,"endTime":1530.61,"body":"It's not something that actually existed in the way that people like to spout it off."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1531.55,"endTime":1536.71,"body":"Yeah, I feel like they're looking at old-timey movies and taking that at face"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1536.71,"endTime":1541.63,"body":"value of, like, that's how people live, the cowboy movies and stuff. Yeah. Like, that's..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1542.7,"endTime":1544.0,"body":"Probably not real. Right."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1544.16,"endTime":1546.22,"body":"And I mean, I'm not saying they weren't eating steak. And actually,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1546.26,"endTime":1550.98,"body":"a lot of the increased meat consumption or even meat availability both over"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1550.98,"endTime":1553.86,"body":"the last hundred years or so is mostly from the increase in chicken."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1554.42,"endTime":1557.64,"body":"So, like, back then they were eating more meat than they were chicken,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1557.76,"endTime":1560.42,"body":"but they were eating less total meat. So, there probably were steaks,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1560.54,"endTime":1561.8,"body":"but you weren't eating steak every night."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1562.64,"endTime":1566.24,"body":"I thought cowboys were, like, notorious for eating beans. Why do I think this?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1566.42,"endTime":1569.06,"body":"Yeah, there's always, like, the scene in Westerns where they're sitting on the"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1569.06,"endTime":1570.94,"body":"fire with their pried open can of beans."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1571.16,"endTime":1573.38,"body":"They open with their knife or whatever. I mean, that's probably most of what"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1573.38,"endTime":1576.22,"body":"people ate, beans and bread and whatever."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1576.88,"endTime":1577.12,"body":"Right."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1577.56,"endTime":1577.82,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1578.74,"endTime":1581.04,"body":"So we just need like a bean-eating vegan cowboy."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1581.3,"endTime":1582.46,"body":"Meat doesn't travel very well."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1582.98,"endTime":1583.5,"body":"No."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1583.64,"endTime":1589.58,"body":"Not on a horse anyway. Not a lot of horse-mounted refrigerators back in the Old West."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1591.9,"endTime":1597.04,"body":"Yeah. So who benefits from some of this gender-coded food stuff?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1597.62,"endTime":1598.14,"body":"Capitalism."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1598.42,"endTime":1601.68,"body":"Yeah. But specifically, the meat industry does a lot, obviously."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1602.28,"endTime":1607.58,"body":"The supplement industry and then all of these bullshit alpha branded products like you're."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1607.58,"endTime":1609.16,"body":"Oh my God, the manosphere shit."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1609.32,"endTime":1613.48,"body":"Yeah, alpha man. You've got to be an alpha. I think now there's like sigma and"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1613.48,"endTime":1615.76,"body":"vegans or betas. I don't fucking know."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1615.92,"endTime":1620.92,"body":"But I think if you're out there calling people alphas and betas,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1621.08,"endTime":1623.52,"body":"you're probably not whatever you think an alpha is. That's what I think."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1623.68,"endTime":1627.4,"body":"There's an entire influencer economy out there that monetizes this male insecurity."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1627.4,"endTime":1629.48,"body":"Like you just kind of mentioned the manosphere. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1629.72,"endTime":1634.68,"body":"Like that is basically entirely built around making you feel like you're less"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1634.68,"endTime":1637.76,"body":"of a man, whatever that means to you. It's not even what it means to you."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1637.82,"endTime":1638.98,"body":"It's what they tell you it means."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1639.28,"endTime":1640.7,"body":"Yeah. Unless you do what they tell you."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1640.86,"endTime":1644.5,"body":"Right. You're only a man if you pay me $29.99. I don't fucking know."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1646.7,"endTime":1651.0,"body":"So anybody telling you that food is gendered specifically is either selling"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1651.0,"endTime":1655.36,"body":"you something or they're just repeating something somebody else sold to them. I guess it's not,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1657.04,"endTime":1659.66,"body":"I don't know how to put it any more plainly. Like, if you think you're not a"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1659.66,"endTime":1662.98,"body":"man because you eat beans instead of steak, you're just, like,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1663.08,"endTime":1665.52,"body":"so far fucking— You're very lost. You're very lost."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1667.38,"endTime":1670.96,"body":"Yeah, and, I mean, most of this stuff is just men performing for other men,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1671.18,"endTime":1674.9,"body":"right? So they've got the influencers who are trying to push them stuff,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1674.92,"endTime":1677.96,"body":"and then they have these communities where they're all just talking to each"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1677.96,"endTime":1680.24,"body":"other about how manly they want to be."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1681.1,"endTime":1682.66,"body":"I don't know. This sounds like— Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1682.76,"endTime":1686.12,"body":"I know. I think it's funny because a lot of the stuff I see,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1686.24,"endTime":1689.94,"body":"it's like these are straight men, right, that want to date women."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1690.08,"endTime":1690.28,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1690.98,"endTime":1694.96,"body":"Who refuse to listen to women, treat women like objects."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1695.2,"endTime":1695.36,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1695.7,"endTime":1700.2,"body":"Right? And then just listen to what these, like, influencer douchebags say."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1700.4,"endTime":1700.64,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1700.82,"endTime":1702.54,"body":"On how to get women. And..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1703.27,"endTime":1705.27,"body":"I'm going to let you know it's not going to work."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1705.43,"endTime":1706.01,"body":"Right. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1706.89,"endTime":1709.65,"body":"But it's like the same thing. Like if they don't know how to get women,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1709.81,"endTime":1713.43,"body":"but they're trying to sell you how to get women. Why do you think they know what manly is?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1713.79,"endTime":1714.47,"body":"Right. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1714.81,"endTime":1719.45,"body":"It's giving male loneliness epidemic that we created in the manosphere. Yeah. You know?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1720.19,"endTime":1723.87,"body":"Yeah. I mean, they profit off of keeping that going."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1724.53,"endTime":1725.07,"body":"Yeah. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1726.37,"endTime":1729.49,"body":"Um and you know the the people that mock a guy for"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1729.49,"endTime":1732.63,"body":"ordering the veggie option is the other guys at"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1732.63,"endTime":1736.27,"body":"the table when they order i've experienced that you know with my friends even"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1736.27,"endTime":1740.43,"body":"even a long time ago it's like you know we'd be out getting chicken wings or"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1740.43,"endTime":1743.09,"body":"something and i get something that's not chicken wings i get a salad or whatever"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1743.09,"endTime":1747.21,"body":"it's like holy shit i've got to deal with 30 minutes of you know just getting"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1747.21,"endTime":1751.05,"body":"razzed now because i ordered a salad and you're not allowed to do that with"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1751.05,"endTime":1752.57,"body":"a group of men or whatever i will."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1752.57,"endTime":1757.31,"body":"Let you know that that is not just a male experience like me i've been a vegetarian"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1757.31,"endTime":1761.67,"body":"i was like haven't eaten meat since i was 12 right yeah and so like going on"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1761.67,"endTime":1767.69,"body":"dates with people or like being in groups of people you get like shit on for ordering salads in"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1767.69,"endTime":1769.07,"body":"General yeah that makes sense yeah it's."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1769.07,"endTime":1770.51,"body":"Like she eats his salads"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1770.51,"endTime":1771.63,"body":"Yeah you."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1771.63,"endTime":1775.31,"body":"Know like get that girl a steak like like it's not just a man thing right"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1775.31,"endTime":1777.05,"body":"But does Does that happen when you're with a group of women?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1777.39,"endTime":1777.79,"body":"No."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1778.11,"endTime":1779.19,"body":"Exactly. I know."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1779.33,"endTime":1784.41,"body":"It's because men hate women and like ordering a salad is seen as a female thing. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1784.81,"endTime":1788.69,"body":"You know? Yeah. Or like you hear like men that are like, I just want to date"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1788.69,"endTime":1791.41,"body":"a girl who eats steak and drinks beer."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1791.61,"endTime":1793.57,"body":"Yeah. And it's like, are you sure you don't want to date a man?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1794.11,"endTime":1794.51,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1795.31,"endTime":1796.11,"body":"I don't know."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1796.66,"endTime":1800.4,"body":"Not to say there aren't women that do that, but, like, it's just weird."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1800.66,"endTime":1804.54,"body":"Yeah, definitely. I think it's just, you know, this whole thing is just a big"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1804.54,"endTime":1807.52,"body":"circle jerk of insecure guys trying to impress each other."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1807.78,"endTime":1813.78,"body":"And I don't exactly know what the end goal is, but it doesn't seem to be going very well."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1815.88,"endTime":1821.34,"body":"And, you know, psychologically, there was a study, I'll put it in the show notes,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1821.46,"endTime":1826.64,"body":"but, you know, when men's masculinity gets challenged or they feel like they're in a lower status."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1826.66,"endTime":1830.32,"body":"than the other men around them, they'll compensate for that by like taking more"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1830.32,"endTime":1831.82,"body":"risk to try to prove themselves."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1832.12,"endTime":1836.98,"body":"And that even extends to including things like just eating more unhealthy foods."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1837.14,"endTime":1842.08,"body":"So basically, you feel like you're not as manly as somebody else that you're"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1842.08,"endTime":1844.14,"body":"around or you look up to, I guess."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1844.32,"endTime":1848.84,"body":"And so if you're already not feeling manly, you can't order a salad."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1849.0,"endTime":1852.8,"body":"You're going to feel less manly. So you've got to go order like the fried chicken"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1852.8,"endTime":1858.84,"body":"or whatever to try to make yourself either feel or try to convince somebody"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1858.84,"endTime":1860.74,"body":"else that you are actually manly."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1861.12,"endTime":1865.1,"body":"And, you know, I hope all this sounds ridiculous because it's really ridiculous."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1865.48,"endTime":1867.8,"body":"Is this why, like, men will pick fights at bars and shit?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1867.92,"endTime":1868.94,"body":"Yeah, it's the same kind of thing."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1868.98,"endTime":1869.36,"body":"Same thing?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1869.82,"endTime":1873.14,"body":"Yeah. Yeah, men will pick fights with basically people who they feel like they"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1873.14,"endTime":1875.9,"body":"are lower status than to try to compensate for that."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1876.06,"endTime":1880.44,"body":"Oh, my God. It's just like werewolves in the supernatural shows we watch."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1880.62,"endTime":1880.86,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1881.24,"endTime":1885.64,"body":"I'm the alpha. I'm going to fight you to claim the throne as Alpha."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1885.92,"endTime":1886.18,"body":"Exactly."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1886.64,"endTime":1889.64,"body":"Okay. That, you know, having the werewolf context really helps."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1889.82,"endTime":1890.1,"body":"Right."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1892.35,"endTime":1897.39,"body":"Yeah. And so the self-styled like alpha influencer economy like monetizes the loop."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1897.59,"endTime":1900.73,"body":"You don't feel manly. You keep trying to do stuff to feel manly,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1900.83,"endTime":1901.93,"body":"whatever the hell that means to you."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1902.09,"endTime":1904.47,"body":"You still don't feel manly. So you try to do some more stuff."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1904.63,"endTime":1908.07,"body":"And for some reason, those things you're trying all make them money. Right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1908.53,"endTime":1908.93,"body":"Weird."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1909.33,"endTime":1912.95,"body":"You're watching their videos, you're buying their guides or their courses or"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1912.95,"endTime":1915.81,"body":"like don't even get me started on the pickup artist bullshit."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1916.09,"endTime":1916.51,"body":"Oh, my God."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1916.51,"endTime":1921.93,"body":"They basically keep guys anxious about other guys' opinions so they can just"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1921.93,"endTime":1927.39,"body":"sell them their protein powder, their supplement stack, their manly lifestyle thing, whatever it is."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1927.69,"endTime":1931.43,"body":"Specifically, one that stands out here is the testosterone booster stuff."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1931.63,"endTime":1937.43,"body":"So the global testosterone booster supplement industry is approaching $4 billion."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1937.77,"endTime":1941.93,"body":"What? And I've got news for you. Testosterone boosting supplements flat out don't work."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1943.07,"endTime":1945.49,"body":"It's insane. There are a couple of things like."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1946.29,"endTime":1948.13,"body":"Should we start selling a vegan one?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1948.37,"endTime":1952.45,"body":"No, I don't think so. I mean, they're just like, there are some in a study,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1952.61,"endTime":1956.51,"body":"it's like they show a very minor increase or whatever, but like basically none"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1956.51,"endTime":1959.21,"body":"of them do anything measurable."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1959.43,"endTime":1963.41,"body":"Like if you increase your testosterone up 10 points, that's not going to change anything."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1963.71,"endTime":1966.89,"body":"Maybe it actually happens. But there's an entire industry around selling things"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1966.89,"endTime":1968.43,"body":"that say that they boost your testosterone."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1968.95,"endTime":1971.81,"body":"And you buy it because it says like Manergy or something on it."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1972.25,"endTime":1975.05,"body":"Right. And then, you know, there's a lot of guys who are on TRT now,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1975.25,"endTime":1977.41,"body":"which I think is interesting because we're so worried about estrogen,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1977.41,"endTime":1982.07,"body":"but getting on TRT is one of the most reliable ways to increase your estrogen."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1982.31,"endTime":1985.43,"body":"Like, that's a side effect. Oh, interesting. So, anything you're doing to try"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1985.43,"endTime":1988.41,"body":"to boost your testosterone could also potentially boost your estrogen,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1988.43,"endTime":1991.45,"body":"which you're apparently worried about in soy, but you're not worried about from"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1991.45,"endTime":1992.99,"body":"trying to directly increase your testosterone."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":1993.47,"endTime":1997.53,"body":"Well, yeah. I mean, it's cooler to shove needles in than it is to eat soy."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1997.75,"endTime":1997.97,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":1999.39,"endTime":2005.19,"body":"I don't know. Yeah. So, I mean, I think making you feel anxious about not being"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2005.19,"endTime":2006.93,"body":"a man is their entire business model."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2007.23,"endTime":2013.09,"body":"So I recommend if you find yourself caught up in this loop and you're often"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2013.09,"endTime":2017.97,"body":"worried about how manly you are, you probably just need to step away from that"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2017.97,"endTime":2019.69,"body":"particular portion of the Internet for a while."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2019.89,"endTime":2023.27,"body":"Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I don't really have much of an opinion on this."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2023.55,"endTime":2026.61,"body":"But what I will say is, like, I don't know. I just kind of like it."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2027.22,"endTime":2031.02,"body":"I feel like the manliest man, I don't really know what the term manly means,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2031.16,"endTime":2034.72,"body":"but, like, most confident type of guy I've seen is the one that,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2034.72,"endTime":2038.9,"body":"like, just doesn't give a shit about, like, what other people, including men, think."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2039.06,"endTime":2042.24,"body":"Yeah. You know, they just kind of do their own thing. They do the things they enjoy."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2042.44,"endTime":2045.84,"body":"They listen to the music they like. They watch the shows they like."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2046.24,"endTime":2049.88,"body":"You know, they have the activities that they enjoy. They eat whatever the hell they want."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2050.04,"endTime":2051.2,"body":"Jam out to some Taylor Swift."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2051.42,"endTime":2057.12,"body":"Yeah. Yes. Men that will listen to Taylor Swift. That's hot guy shit. I'm sorry."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2058.84,"endTime":2063.86,"body":"Do what you like right so if you're defining your like masculinity or your strength"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2063.86,"endTime":2068.7,"body":"as how well you're conforming to your peer group's diet or opinion you're a little bitch right,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2070.12,"endTime":2074.18,"body":"but you're you're in that case you're defining your strength as how susceptible"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2074.18,"endTime":2077.58,"body":"you are to peer pressure is that how you want to measure yourself and how you"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2077.58,"endTime":2079.08,"body":"want to define yourself are you."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2079.08,"endTime":2082.14,"body":"Wait is this whole podcast like a don't do drugs campaign"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2082.14,"endTime":2086.42,"body":"Well yeah i guess"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2086.42,"endTime":2089.84,"body":"if the drug is like letting yourself be told"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2089.84,"endTime":2093.12,"body":"what manly is it is being a vegan guy"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2093.12,"endTime":2098.02,"body":"or a vegetarian guy or whatever else goes against kind of this masculine stuff"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2098.02,"endTime":2102.66,"body":"is it does have a real social cost like you get mocked you get policed that"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2102.66,"endTime":2108.12,"body":"stuff really does happen but like that cost you're paying is is based on the"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2108.12,"endTime":2110.02,"body":"fact that you're exerting your willpower."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2110.28,"endTime":2115.56,"body":"Like that's the price you pay to feel like you're in control and you have freedom"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2115.56,"endTime":2116.92,"body":"and you can do what you want."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2117.06,"endTime":2120.26,"body":"The price you pay is people are going to mock you or people are going to police"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2120.26,"endTime":2122.1,"body":"you and they can have their own opinions."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2122.7,"endTime":2126.08,"body":"Um, but you know, that's just the way it has to be."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2126.16,"endTime":2129.12,"body":"Like if you're a weaker person, you can take the easy road where nobody's ever"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2129.12,"endTime":2132.34,"body":"going to give you like any shit about the choices you make."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2132.84,"endTime":2134.46,"body":"And that's fine. But But, you"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2134.46,"endTime":2137.82,"body":"know, I don't know that you'd be very happy living like that long term."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2138.12,"endTime":2138.22,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2139.91,"endTime":2142.57,"body":"You've got to live authentically to be happy."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2142.89,"endTime":2143.25,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2144.03,"endTime":2146.95,"body":"Also, just get away from those people. Like, if you're around a bunch of toxic"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2146.95,"endTime":2151.95,"body":"people making fun of you for, like, eating a salad, get new friends."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2151.95,"endTime":2153.13,"body":"Like, what the fuck is that?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2153.25,"endTime":2155.37,"body":"Yeah. You need friends that don't want you to just be, like,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2155.39,"endTime":2156.91,"body":"a carbon copy of everybody else."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2157.01,"endTime":2158.33,"body":"Yeah. Who wants that? Right."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2158.67,"endTime":2164.03,"body":"I mean, I think, you know, we need to go back to—we had the punk rock documentary a while back."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2164.09,"endTime":2167.71,"body":"We need to go back to, like, independence and— Nonconformity. Nonconformity."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2167.85,"endTime":2170.89,"body":"Yeah, do what you want to do. Don't do what people tell you to like."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2171.09,"endTime":2171.23,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2171.53,"endTime":2175.13,"body":"Yeah. I think that's a really important thing to do."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2175.33,"endTime":2175.57,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2176.07,"endTime":2177.21,"body":"Whatever the hell you want."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2177.41,"endTime":2181.41,"body":"We're very homogenized in modern American culture right now, it seems like."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2181.57,"endTime":2184.65,"body":"Which is sad. I like personality. Yeah. I like people who are different."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2185.03,"endTime":2188.83,"body":"Yeah. And so the next point I wanted to bring up is that a lot of the health"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2188.83,"endTime":2192.91,"body":"issues and the things you're, you know, putting at stake here are male-centric"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2192.91,"endTime":2196.33,"body":"in general when it comes to, like, your diet, specifically. Exactly."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2197.73,"endTime":2200.69,"body":"Some of the more male-focused health concerns are things like cardiovascular"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2200.69,"endTime":2205.27,"body":"disease. It's the number one killer of men in the U.S. Obviously, this also kills women."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2205.49,"endTime":2210.31,"body":"But men develop cardiovascular disease on average seven to ten years earlier"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2210.31,"endTime":2211.85,"body":"than women do. That's interesting."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2212.03,"endTime":2215.23,"body":"And about one in four men die of cardiovascular disease."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2216.68,"endTime":2221.86,"body":"So, meat-heavy dietary patterns are very strongly associated with cardiovascular"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2221.86,"endTime":2226.4,"body":"disease and type 2 diabetes across, you know, many, many major studies."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2227.4,"endTime":2232.58,"body":"There was a study from EPIC-Oxford that found 22% lower heart disease risk in"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2232.58,"endTime":2234.06,"body":"vegetarians versus meat eaters."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2234.22,"endTime":2235.24,"body":"Wow, that's a big difference."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2235.42,"endTime":2239.12,"body":"Yeah. You know, a lot of that comes from meat eaters mostly eat meat that's"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2239.12,"endTime":2241.98,"body":"high in saturated fat and things like that. So there are arguments that like"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2241.98,"endTime":2244.28,"body":"maybe if you just eat lean meats or whatever, but that's just,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2244.4,"endTime":2247.0,"body":"that's not what most people eat. So that's not really even the conversation."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2248.96,"endTime":2252.92,"body":"Also, erectile dysfunction, largely a vascular disease."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2253.24,"endTime":2257.78,"body":"The same dysfunctions that drive heart disease also impair blood flow to the parts you care about."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2257.96,"endTime":2259.42,"body":"The penile blood flow?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2259.56,"endTime":2265.04,"body":"The penile blood flow. So, in a study, men that were 60 to 69 years old with"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2265.04,"endTime":2270.48,"body":"the highest adherence to a healthy plant-based diet had an 18% lower risk of"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2270.48,"endTime":2273.06,"body":"erectile dysfunction versus the lowest adherence group."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2273.42,"endTime":2277.96,"body":"Wow. Pretty big difference. This is funny because there's that part in Game"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2277.96,"endTime":2281.64,"body":"Changers where they're like measuring erections and..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2282.26,"endTime":2286.72,"body":"penis circumferences and stuff while they're sleeping that was like the first"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2286.72,"endTime":2289.46,"body":"piece of vegan propaganda i sent you when we started dating"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2289.46,"endTime":2294.74,"body":"I've got to be honest early on it was one of the more effective ones weren't."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2294.74,"endTime":2297.98,"body":"You like in the car with your friend yeah and you're like playing it"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2297.98,"endTime":2300.26,"body":"Yeah and."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2300.26,"endTime":2302.24,"body":"They're like what the hell are you watching yes"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2302.24,"endTime":2307.66,"body":"Yeah yeah i don't think he's vegan yet but i gotta keep working on it."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2307.66,"endTime":2312.72,"body":"Yeah just keep selling the penis thing um yeah so if you're a girl dating a"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2312.72,"endTime":2315.44,"body":"non-vegan guy i would say that's the clip to send them"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2315.44,"endTime":2318.92,"body":"Yeah especially if you know they're going through some stuff yeah"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2318.92,"endTime":2322.14,"body":"um also the"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2322.14,"endTime":2324.98,"body":"manly diet is kind of putting men in the cardiac unit at"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2324.98,"endTime":2328.92,"body":"55 years old putting them on erectile dysfunction medications 10 years earlier"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2328.92,"endTime":2334.04,"body":"than that um and the vegan and even mediterranean style diets show up consistently"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2334.04,"endTime":2339.22,"body":"on like better endothelial function better blood vessel function um in the studies"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2339.22,"endTime":2343.18,"body":"and stuff including you know Well, again, that part, you really care about getting the blood flow, too."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2343.9,"endTime":2345.92,"body":"But you won't ask your doctor about it if something goes wrong."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2346.04,"endTime":2349.48,"body":"So, if you don't want to go to the doctor for that, eat more plants. See how that goes."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2349.68,"endTime":2352.44,"body":"Yeah. Plus, don't you want to be able to get it up whenever you want?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2352.88,"endTime":2356.2,"body":"Yeah. I think you have to, like, take it. I mean, I've never taken it."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2356.26,"endTime":2357.18,"body":"What are you talking about? The medicine?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2357.3,"endTime":2360.86,"body":"The medicine. Don't you have to, like, take it in advance of activities?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2361.1,"endTime":2365.9,"body":"I guess, yeah. That's what they say on TV. Yeah. You have to pre-plan."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2366.12,"endTime":2369.4,"body":"Yeah, yeah. And it's like, oh, and if it stays erect for more than six hours,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2369.46,"endTime":2373.12,"body":"you need to go to, like, the ER. something which would be crazy"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2373.12,"endTime":2377.32,"body":"Yeah that'd be pretty crazy yeah you're talking"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2377.32,"endTime":2381.02,"body":"about these health things we're talking about masculinity so if provider and"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2381.02,"endTime":2384.9,"body":"protector are part of how you think about masculinity the most basic version"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2384.9,"endTime":2389.36,"body":"of that is staying alive long enough to be able to do it yeah so the the manly"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2389.36,"endTime":2392.6,"body":"diet that's being sold to you by all the guys who are trying to sell you something"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2392.6,"endTime":2397.12,"body":"is actively making sure you don't stay alive as long as you possibly could yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2397.12,"endTime":2402.08,"body":"And i And to just pounce on what you're saying about Protector..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2403.1,"endTime":2408.06,"body":"Is like animals are innocent and they can't speak up for themselves."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2408.28,"endTime":2412.04,"body":"So if you're like this big manly protector, like why aren't you using your voice"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2412.04,"endTime":2413.84,"body":"to like protect the animals?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2414.14,"endTime":2419.08,"body":"Yeah, definitely. Also, if you're interested in more ways, plants can help you not die."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2419.32,"endTime":2423.32,"body":"Dr. Greger wrote the book How Not to Die. That's just exactly about this."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2423.44,"endTime":2425.96,"body":"And it's a great book. Yeah, go check that out. So now we wanted to shift into"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2425.96,"endTime":2431.4,"body":"talking a little bit about kind of gender norms in general around veganism and"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2431.4,"endTime":2432.68,"body":"this whole masculinity thing."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2433.16,"endTime":2437.5,"body":"So some statistics here, 65 to 80% of vegans are women."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2438.18,"endTime":2439.52,"body":"What? Go women."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2439.74,"endTime":2443.58,"body":"Right. Which I think is a big part of why like veganism is seen as a woman thing"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2443.58,"endTime":2445.88,"body":"because it's mostly women, kind of like the cigarettes were from Marlboro."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2447.14,"endTime":2452.48,"body":"A U.S. study. So that was globally. A U.S. study found that 75% of U.S. vegans are women."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2452.6,"endTime":2456.2,"body":"I feel like that tracks based on my own personal experiences of like I really"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2456.2,"endTime":2460.22,"body":"haven't met like a guy in the wild that's like, oh, yeah, I'm vegan or like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2460.22,"endTime":2462.02,"body":"I limit my plant foods or whatever."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2462.58,"endTime":2466.88,"body":"I met, I think one, he was definitely vegetarian, maybe vegan in the wild."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2467.14,"endTime":2471.2,"body":"Really? Yeah. No, no, not only the thing you got, I have met a few vegetarian"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2471.2,"endTime":2473.26,"body":"men. They're usually Indian."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2473.56,"endTime":2475.58,"body":"Oh, yeah, sure. Yeah. I probably know."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2475.6,"endTime":2479.1,"body":"Which is, you know, like more a common diet in India. But like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2479.18,"endTime":2482.44,"body":"I'm thinking like American men that are like vegan for the animals."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2482.44,"endTime":2484.86,"body":"I have like not really met any of those in the wild."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2485.08,"endTime":2489.36,"body":"Right. The age range is typically 18 to 34 for a vegan. That's the main range there."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2489.98,"endTime":2492.92,"body":"That makes sense. because like you're moved out like you're able to like start"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2492.92,"endTime":2499.9,"body":"cooking yeah also i feel like um just like veganism in general i think is more"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2499.9,"endTime":2504.66,"body":"appealing to a younger generation because it kind of goes against the mainstream and"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2504.66,"endTime":2508.16,"body":"Then a bonus fact 73 percent of vegans are apparently atheist or agnostic."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2508.16,"endTime":2511.62,"body":"I thought this one was really interesting but i kind of feel like it makes sense"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2511.62,"endTime":2517.02,"body":"because veganism goes against mainstream culture yeah right like and i kind of feel like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2517.78,"endTime":2522.8,"body":"Going against mainstream culture in any way the first time is kind of hard. Sure."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2523.04,"endTime":2525.66,"body":"You know, because, like, you're going to catch flack and, like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2525.74,"endTime":2530.64,"body":"you're not fitting into that, like, perfectly curated box that society wants to put you in. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2530.9,"endTime":2534.22,"body":"Right? So, but, like, once you step out of that box, I feel like you're more"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2534.22,"endTime":2542.24,"body":"likely to, like, look for not necessarily other ways to become not, like, normal."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2542.24,"endTime":2546.42,"body":"But like you're more open to just ideas in general and you're more willing to"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2546.42,"endTime":2549.84,"body":"do like what feels good for you or like think on your own."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2550.04,"endTime":2552.52,"body":"Yeah. I mean, once you take one leg out from under the table,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2552.7,"endTime":2554.44,"body":"it gets pretty wobbly. Yeah. So. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2554.85,"endTime":2559.97,"body":"I will say it's funny because the average vegan in these statistics is me. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2561.03,"endTime":2565.01,"body":"That's true. I think I also read something about it is like way less likely"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2565.01,"endTime":2570.51,"body":"that you would be a vegan if you live in rural areas versus like urban or suburban areas."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2570.73,"endTime":2574.39,"body":"Yeah. Which I think also makes sense just like not just from like a grocery"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2574.39,"endTime":2578.69,"body":"store perspective, but also like being around different people and like having"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2578.69,"endTime":2581.61,"body":"more diversity that you're exposed to and hearing different ideas."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2581.61,"endTime":2584.23,"body":"I think a big part of it, just personally, because, you know,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2584.25,"endTime":2587.83,"body":"I grew up in a rural area, and I think it's probably hard to feel strongly against"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2587.83,"endTime":2590.51,"body":"the farming industry when you're constantly interacting with farmers."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2590.81,"endTime":2591.43,"body":"Yeah, that's true."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2591.63,"endTime":2593.03,"body":"So there's a little bit of that."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2593.21,"endTime":2598.09,"body":"Yeah. I also read that it was, like, majority liberal left-leaning,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2598.09,"endTime":2601.71,"body":"and then also there's a higher percentage that are, like, college graduates."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2602.17,"endTime":2602.41,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2602.63,"endTime":2605.77,"body":"So just, like, some more random statistics. Yeah. On the average vegan."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2606.01,"endTime":2610.99,"body":"Yeah. Pretty much all the things that, like, expose you to more ideas than your tiny circle."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2611.19,"endTime":2614.11,"body":"Yeah. Well, make you more likely to be a little more counterculture."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2614.43,"endTime":2618.03,"body":"Yeah. Makes sense. There's also, so we were talking gender norms,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2618.25,"endTime":2620.63,"body":"hunting specifically, since that kind of relates to food."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2621.85,"endTime":2626.73,"body":"70% of the children that are taken hunting are males, which makes sense."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2626.97,"endTime":2631.59,"body":"Adult hunters are typically like 89% male. It's a highly male-dominated thing."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2632.01,"endTime":2636.61,"body":"I also feel like hunting at a young age kind of desensitizes children to like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2636.61,"endTime":2639.23,"body":"animal suffering and stuff. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2639.37,"endTime":2642.65,"body":"Yeah. And then, like, oftentimes, like, hunting or fishing is seen as,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2642.73,"endTime":2644.89,"body":"like, a father-son bonding activity."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2645.35,"endTime":2648.79,"body":"And so, like, I think a lot of times, like, even if a child would have hesitations"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2648.79,"endTime":2652.33,"body":"on wanting to participate, they're kind of going to go along with whatever their"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2652.33,"endTime":2654.07,"body":"parent wants them to do to make them happy."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2654.33,"endTime":2654.63,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2654.97,"endTime":2659.05,"body":"I don't know. Did your parents take you anywhere as a kid?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2659.17,"endTime":2662.73,"body":"My grandfather took me fishing a lot, and it was, like, a bonding thing."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2664.09,"endTime":2666.75,"body":"I went fishing with my dad a few times, like, in the family."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2666.91,"endTime":2669.75,"body":"Like, we all kind of went a few times. But it was like a thing I used to do"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2669.75,"endTime":2671.41,"body":"with my grandfather on his boat quite a bit."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2671.57,"endTime":2673.79,"body":"Do you remember ever as a kid thinking like..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2674.92,"endTime":2677.5,"body":"I don't want to do this? Like, when you first started going,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2677.68,"endTime":2679.36,"body":"do you, like, remember having that feeling at all?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2680.88,"endTime":2684.08,"body":"Not because of the fish or anything. It was, like, wow, I'm just,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2684.1,"endTime":2686.98,"body":"like, on a boat for a while. It took me a while to, like, come around to it."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2687.06,"endTime":2688.74,"body":"But then it was just, like, I got to hang out with my grandpa."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2688.92,"endTime":2691.28,"body":"But, yeah, no, I never really had those thoughts. But, like,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2691.5,"endTime":2696.52,"body":"you know, I grew up and my grandpa had, like, heads on the wall from deer and stuff."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2696.66,"endTime":2698.56,"body":"Yeah, you're kind of already desensitized."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2698.72,"endTime":2699.0,"body":"Yeah, I mean."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2699.6,"endTime":2702.5,"body":"I remember like my dad used to"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2702.5,"endTime":2705.52,"body":"take me fishing and I like really vehemently remember having"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2705.52,"endTime":2708.56,"body":"a big hang up around like the worms like killing worms like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2708.56,"endTime":2711.26,"body":"I really like did not want to do that and I"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2711.26,"endTime":2714.4,"body":"also was like completely against us like taking fish"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2714.4,"endTime":2717.24,"body":"home yeah like I just remember like kind of like throwing a"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2717.24,"endTime":2720.88,"body":"fit about that kind of stuff but but also like when"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2720.88,"endTime":2724.2,"body":"you know how it rains and like the worms all come out to play on the concrete and"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2724.2,"endTime":2727.18,"body":"then like the sun comes out and they all like they die yeah"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2727.18,"endTime":2731.76,"body":"yeah I used to have like mass funerals for worms when i was like four or five"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2731.76,"endTime":2735.94,"body":"years old like i'd have like i'd like dig a hole and like bury them in mass"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2735.94,"endTime":2740.2,"body":"and do a ceremony so like that checks out yeah it's kind of like i kind of feel"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2740.2,"endTime":2744.64,"body":"like you know if you're a parent your kid's doing that maybe don't take them fishing i feel like"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2744.64,"endTime":2748.34,"body":"You're like a real life snow white so we"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2748.34,"endTime":2752.26,"body":"talked a little bit earlier about the hunter gatherer situation and how most"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2752.26,"endTime":2755.42,"body":"of the food was gathered we're talking back in those days the estimates are"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2755.42,"endTime":2760.76,"body":"like 50 to 80 percent of the total diet was comprised of plant foods um and"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2760.76,"endTime":2764.6,"body":"so we're talking about the hunter gathering thing but some of the more interesting"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2764.6,"endTime":2767.3,"body":"data indicates that women actually did hunt pretty."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2767.3,"endTime":2768.46,"body":"Often yeah which"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2768.46,"endTime":2771.92,"body":"I mean it kind of makes sense because you know there are a lot of things about"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2771.92,"endTime":2775.3,"body":"hunting that doesn't necessarily need a man and also like,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2776.01,"endTime":2780.71,"body":"Whoever is able-bodied in a starving village is going to find food one way or the other."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2781.07,"endTime":2784.83,"body":"Yeah. And like what I was reading is a lot of the women were responsible specifically"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2784.83,"endTime":2788.55,"body":"for like, like fishing, hunting, that kind of thing. Sure, yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2790.11,"endTime":2794.25,"body":"So, yeah, I just think it's interesting that some, a lot of this kind of comes"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2794.25,"endTime":2799.37,"body":"back to like, oh, men are manly because like we hunted back in the cavemen days."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2799.49,"endTime":2803.25,"body":"Yeah. But, like, now it's kind of, like, coming to light that most of the food"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2803.25,"endTime":2806.17,"body":"that they were eating wasn't even, A, it wasn't even meat."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2806.55,"endTime":2811.61,"body":"And then, like, B, women were also hunting. So, like, the whole crux of this"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2811.61,"endTime":2815.23,"body":"being, like, the argument we're resting masculinity on is kind of weird."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2815.81,"endTime":2821.45,"body":"Also, like, there are so many arguments in fitness and nutrition that go back"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2821.45,"endTime":2824.17,"body":"to, like, ancestral stuff or caveman stuff."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2824.33,"endTime":2825.67,"body":"Yeah, or evolution. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2825.81,"endTime":2830.37,"body":"And for me, it's like, why do we care how they used to do it in the cave?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2830.45,"endTime":2834.17,"body":"Like, it's interesting historically, obviously, but why would we try to recreate"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2834.17,"endTime":2838.43,"body":"the way they did that then in our modern life? Like, we have totally different options."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2838.61,"endTime":2841.15,"body":"Like, they were doing that because it was their only choice to survive."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2841.31,"endTime":2842.17,"body":"Yeah, food scarcity."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2842.17,"endTime":2846.21,"body":"We don't have to do that stuff anymore, luckily. I mean, obviously, that's great."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2846.45,"endTime":2851.59,"body":"But so why would we try to, like, live the way they lived? Like,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2851.69,"endTime":2853.83,"body":"also, they didn't live very long."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2854.15,"endTime":2856.35,"body":"Yeah, that's true. Most of the time, like, we're like, oh, they eat meat."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2856.47,"endTime":2859.85,"body":"Even if they eat meat all the time, like, the life expectancy was, like, 30 years old."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2859.97,"endTime":2863.15,"body":"They didn't even live long enough to run into cardiovascular disease and things"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2863.15,"endTime":2864.37,"body":"like that. It was a non-issue."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2864.55,"endTime":2867.55,"body":"Yeah. So, I mean, there's just, there's a lot of reasons why."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2868.25,"endTime":2869.95,"body":"Like, I think it's really interesting historically. Historically,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2870.09,"endTime":2873.97,"body":"it's nice to, like, you know, think about how we came up as a species and stuff,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2874.05,"endTime":2878.01,"body":"but I don't know why you would say, I should do this today because humans did"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2878.01,"endTime":2879.13,"body":"this thousands of years ago."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2879.27,"endTime":2881.03,"body":"Yeah, I also think it's weird because..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2882.37,"endTime":2885.93,"body":"Basically, I was looking at statistics. Most people don't even hunt anymore."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2886.17,"endTime":2888.37,"body":"So, like, most of the people that you're hearing these arguments from,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2888.51,"endTime":2893.19,"body":"they're like, oh, you know, we hunted and meat is manly and meat is what humans"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2893.19,"endTime":2895.43,"body":"need to eat. It's like, you're not even hunting."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2896.09,"endTime":2898.73,"body":"You're going to the grocery store or going to Burger King."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2899.19,"endTime":2901.79,"body":"Right. And hunting, I just, you know, I grew up around a lot of hunters."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2901.99,"endTime":2904.01,"body":"So, I'll keep it pretty simple."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2904.13,"endTime":2908.43,"body":"But, like, hunting now is not the same as hunting with a spear thousands of years ago."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2908.43,"endTime":2913.07,"body":"Yeah. Yeah. Like, you're not that manly."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2913.39,"endTime":2917.17,"body":"Like, the precision of hunting stuff nowadays, it's just, like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2917.21,"endTime":2918.41,"body":"not that impressive, to be honest."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2918.59,"endTime":2921.21,"body":"Yeah, and then some of the other things that, like, boys grew up with instead"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2921.21,"endTime":2924.47,"body":"of girls, like BB guns versus Barbies. Yeah. Again, the guns,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2924.63,"endTime":2925.67,"body":"the hunting, the masculinity."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2926.09,"endTime":2928.57,"body":"Or, like, girls get a bunch of stuffed animals that are, like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2928.65,"endTime":2932.79,"body":"cutesy and, like, animal-focused, and then boys are, like, I'm playing with"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2932.79,"endTime":2936.27,"body":"army guys and, like, action figure heroes. Right."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2936.35,"endTime":2939.81,"body":"Other girls get the, like, the kitchen toys. Yeah, yeah. And I don't necessarily"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2939.81,"endTime":2940.91,"body":"think there's anything wrong with that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2941.01,"endTime":2943.79,"body":"Like, we've got family members we've gotten that kind of stuff for."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2943.87,"endTime":2947.05,"body":"Right. It's just interesting how, like, that is split from such a young age."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2947.15,"endTime":2950.33,"body":"My dad actually, he used to be a carpenter, and he actually,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2950.39,"endTime":2954.07,"body":"like, made me my own little, like, mini kitchen out of wood and stuff."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2954.61,"endTime":2958.25,"body":"So, like, that was, like, one of my toys that I had growing up that my dad made"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2958.25,"endTime":2960.57,"body":"me. Yeah. But, yeah, my brother didn't get one."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2960.89,"endTime":2964.23,"body":"Yeah, we have a niece we got a kitchen set thing for. She loves it."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2964.33,"endTime":2967.67,"body":"But she said she liked it. that stuff so like you know what i mean exactly yeah"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2967.67,"endTime":2972.51,"body":"i probably wouldn't go out of my way to like gender norm gifts unless like they"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2972.51,"endTime":2974.17,"body":"asked yeah exactly yeah so"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2974.17,"endTime":2977.73,"body":"Girls are kind of taught early in society that they should nurture and care"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":2977.73,"endTime":2981.25,"body":"for things and then people give them shit when they're adults because they care about."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2981.25,"endTime":2986.23,"body":"Things yeah i know it's like oh here's this baby doll it looks just like a real"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2986.23,"endTime":2990.71,"body":"baby yeah make sure it stays alive you need to feed it and change its diaper"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2990.71,"endTime":2994.21,"body":"and all this stuff and you're like two three years old yeah doing this and like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2994.21,"endTime":2997.19,"body":"learning how to care for things or like, um, yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":2997.19,"endTime":3001.29,"body":"Or like you just have like stuffed animals that are like, so animal like."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3001.47,"endTime":3001.73,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3001.97,"endTime":3004.21,"body":"And you're learning how to love and care for those things."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3004.97,"endTime":3008.25,"body":"And then it's like, well, why do you care for things that's so girly?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3008.51,"endTime":3013.23,"body":"Yeah. And then a lot of those girly things are later used as like an insult towards men or boys."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3013.41,"endTime":3018.31,"body":"So it's basically you're just kind of mocking women by telling men they do things like girls."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3018.61,"endTime":3018.79,"body":"Right."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3019.17,"endTime":3022.27,"body":"Like, you know, boys don't paint their nails. Boys don't wear pink."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3022.65,"endTime":3029.09,"body":"The most annoying ones to me are like you throw like a girl or like you run like a girl."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3029.21,"endTime":3033.15,"body":"You're a little biased here since you threw a ball in high school for a sport."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3033.15,"endTime":3039.31,"body":"Yes, it has always pissed me off because it's just like, and I will say the"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3039.31,"endTime":3044.61,"body":"one that pisses me off the most is like a dad of that has both gendered children. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3044.91,"endTime":3049.41,"body":"And they're like telling their son within listening distance of their daughter"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3049.41,"endTime":3051.45,"body":"that he throws like a girl."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3051.61,"endTime":3051.85,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3052.05,"endTime":3056.33,"body":"Like that's not as insulting as you think towards your son. You're telling girls"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3056.33,"endTime":3059.65,"body":"that girls aren't strong, that they can't be athletic."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3060.07,"endTime":3064.03,"body":"Right. You know, like, you're insulting girls and women, not really boys."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3064.25,"endTime":3064.43,"body":"Right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3065.25,"endTime":3069.03,"body":"It's just basically implying that, like, the worst thing you can do as a boy"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3069.03,"endTime":3072.73,"body":"or the worst thing that you can do in general is to be a girl."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3072.93,"endTime":3075.39,"body":"Yeah. You know, which is, like, I don't know, pretty fucked up."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3075.55,"endTime":3076.15,"body":"It is fucked up."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3076.25,"endTime":3077.43,"body":"Did you ever see that Dove ad?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3078.19,"endTime":3079.15,"body":"I've heard of it, yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3079.45,"endTime":3082.01,"body":"Okay, so basically there's this Dove ad, right? And it has..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3083.1,"endTime":3086.08,"body":"basically like a handful of adult women and then"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3086.08,"endTime":3089.48,"body":"a handful of like young girls and they"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3089.48,"endTime":3093.14,"body":"like take each woman in and they're like show"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3093.14,"endTime":3095.9,"body":"me how to throw like a girl and then they demonstrate how to"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3095.9,"endTime":3098.84,"body":"throw like a girl and they're like show me how to run like a girl and then"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3098.84,"endTime":3101.54,"body":"they demonstrate how to run like a girl but what's interesting is the"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3101.54,"endTime":3104.4,"body":"adult women yeah are all like even though maybe"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3104.4,"endTime":3107.8,"body":"they've played sports growing up they like over exaggerate"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3107.8,"endTime":3110.68,"body":"like this really quote-unquote girly way to run"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3110.68,"endTime":3114.28,"body":"where they're like uncoordinated or yeah uncoordinated"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3114.28,"endTime":3117.14,"body":"like silly like flapping their hands or like they"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3117.14,"endTime":3120.02,"body":"do the throw and it's like really like lame and it's"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3120.02,"endTime":3122.8,"body":"like what is that you know but then they"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3122.8,"endTime":3125.82,"body":"ask the little girls who haven't like they haven't"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient 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enough right you know yeah"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3198.86,"endTime":3199.62,"body":"We need a man."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3199.62,"endTime":3203.42,"body":"Yeah we need a man to do this yeah women are too soft yeah"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3204.22,"endTime":3207.46,"body":"And then, like, I don't know, you know, I haven't eaten meat since I was 12,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3207.56,"endTime":3209.1,"body":"so I've had these conversations a lot."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3209.18,"endTime":3212.88,"body":"But I've had a lot of conversations with people when I tell them I don't eat meat."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3213.06,"endTime":3216.8,"body":"Like, I'm not going out of my way to say this, but, like, maybe at a lunch or something."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3217.02,"endTime":3221.0,"body":"Yeah. And they're just like, oh, you're so soft-hearted or, like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3221.02,"endTime":3222.48,"body":"you're such a little tree hugger."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3222.64,"endTime":3226.72,"body":"And it's said in, like, such a condescending way that it's like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3226.88,"endTime":3228.52,"body":"you know, they say it like a compliment."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3228.56,"endTime":3232.84,"body":"But it's like a veiled, like, diss, you know?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3233.0,"endTime":3235.04,"body":"Yeah, yeah. Because, like, the guys that have said this to me,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3235.18,"endTime":3240.84,"body":"if I said the same thing to them, if I was like, oh, Paul, you're so kind-hearted, he'd be pissed."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3241.02,"endTime":3243.16,"body":"Oh, the guys at the refinery don't like being called soft-hearted?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3243.34,"endTime":3243.64,"body":"No."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3244.42,"endTime":3244.78,"body":"Surprising."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3245.12,"endTime":3249.36,"body":"So it's, like, it's actually, like, not a compliment if you yourself wouldn't"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3249.36,"endTime":3250.54,"body":"want to be called it, you know?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3250.7,"endTime":3252.1,"body":"Yeah. Yeah. And I think any men"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3252.1,"endTime":3255.96,"body":"who empathize with anything or show compassion are seen to be feminine."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3256.46,"endTime":3258.3,"body":"Yeah. Or even, like, gay."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3258.64,"endTime":3258.68,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3258.8,"endTime":3264.2,"body":"Like, it's crazy. Yeah. Because I just see those as like, you're a good person."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3264.36,"endTime":3264.62,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3264.98,"endTime":3268.58,"body":"You know how to think about other people's feelings and you care about others."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3268.76,"endTime":3272.72,"body":"Right. That's just, that should just be the basic requirement of a good human. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3273.97,"endTime":3277.31,"body":"Yeah. So like, you know, hold up all these stereotypes and it doesn't help men"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3277.31,"endTime":3280.83,"body":"out, but it also hurts women because telling them that you're telling them that"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3280.83,"endTime":3282.79,"body":"being feminine is like the worst thing you can be."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3283.11,"endTime":3286.83,"body":"And we're being, we're harming men by, who are compassionate by telling them"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3286.83,"endTime":3287.97,"body":"that it's wrong and stupid."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3288.29,"endTime":3292.13,"body":"Yeah. And so it's kind of hurt society as a whole because you're holding up these gender norms."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3292.75,"endTime":3296.09,"body":"You got half the population who feels like they're not allowed to care about anything."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3296.31,"endTime":3299.83,"body":"Yeah. And the other half of the population who's, you know, worried they're"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3299.83,"endTime":3303.47,"body":"going to get, you know, judged or picked on if they care about something."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3303.69,"endTime":3305.11,"body":"Yeah. So who's left to care about things?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3305.65,"endTime":3309.57,"body":"Yeah, no, it's just the patriarchy and upholding this kind of stuff is just"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3309.57,"endTime":3313.25,"body":"like not good for anybody. It doesn't help anybody."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3313.57,"endTime":3317.67,"body":"Yeah. You were telling me about a litmus test they're doing online where you"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3317.67,"endTime":3320.25,"body":"can gauge a guy's potential or whatever."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3320.35,"endTime":3322.59,"body":"Yeah, yeah. Based off of whether or not he will eat tofu."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3322.93,"endTime":3325.77,"body":"Yes. Okay. This has been going pretty viral on TikTok."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3325.89,"endTime":3329.73,"body":"I've seen like a lot of videos around this. And I think it's really similar"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3329.73,"endTime":3332.19,"body":"to the one they were using before this, which is like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3333.14,"endTime":3338.5,"body":"Like, ask a guy how he feels about Taylor Swift because she's like the biggest female pop artist."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3338.76,"endTime":3341.88,"body":"And like oftentimes like red flag guys will just be like, oh,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3341.96,"endTime":3347.06,"body":"she only sings about breakups and and then discredit her worth as a person."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3347.78,"endTime":3353.02,"body":"So this is like kind of similar. Yeah. So it's basically like ask a guy if he'll eat tofu."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3353.52,"endTime":3357.92,"body":"And like his response to that kind of tells you everything. If it's if it's"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3357.92,"endTime":3361.66,"body":"like a strong no, you're like, oh, toxic masculinity."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3362.06,"endTime":3366.46,"body":"Yeah. Pass. This makes complete sense to me based off of being around guys my whole life."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3366.64,"endTime":3369.38,"body":"Yeah. I mean, I just remember when I brought up tofu to you,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3369.5,"endTime":3370.94,"body":"you had like no judgment on it."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3371.14,"endTime":3371.32,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3371.66,"endTime":3375.74,"body":"You're like, yeah, it's food. So, of course, I'll try that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3376.56,"endTime":3380.46,"body":"Yeah. I mean, I like I tried it once and it wasn't good. So my only take was"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3380.46,"endTime":3382.58,"body":"really like, I don't think I like that, but I'll try it."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3382.78,"endTime":3384.82,"body":"Yeah. Like, but then you try it again and again, you know?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3385.04,"endTime":3385.22,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3385.48,"endTime":3390.32,"body":"Yeah. But it was never like, oh, I can't eat that. That's like girly, stupid food, you know?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3390.42,"endTime":3392.42,"body":"And there are definitely guys who feel that way. Like, you know,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3392.52,"endTime":3395.9,"body":"I've had some conversations with people since gone vegan and you bring up tofu"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3395.9,"endTime":3397.68,"body":"and it's like, I don't know, man."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3397.84,"endTime":3400.22,"body":"It's like I said, I'm chopping off my dick or something."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3401.88,"endTime":3405.34,"body":"I can't eat that. I have a penis. Right. Yeah. It's interesting."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3405.7,"endTime":3409.82,"body":"And I think like, okay, so I think, you know, the main thing with this tofu is..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3410.39,"endTime":3415.45,"body":"like situation is that it kind of like shows you if you're like flexible or"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3415.45,"endTime":3419.91,"body":"if you are like have fragile masculinity yeah you know because like a guy that's"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3419.91,"endTime":3423.71,"body":"willing to eat tofu kind of proves that they aren't controlled by how society"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3423.71,"endTime":3428.41,"body":"views them and by how other men view them they just kind of like do what they want yeah"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3428.41,"endTime":3432.21,"body":"Also helpful to see you're like open to new experiences open to different cultures"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3432.21,"endTime":3438.21,"body":"kind of shows empathy and interest and also shows like how like how far you"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3438.21,"endTime":3442.77,"body":"are outside of i guess like an echo chamber yeah if you're willing to try a"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3442.77,"endTime":3446.65,"body":"bunch of different things you're probably not in some weird like he-man woman"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3446.65,"endTime":3447.81,"body":"hating club or something like."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3447.81,"endTime":3452.17,"body":"That that's a great point yeah i think the other one that i i kind of think"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3452.17,"endTime":3456.33,"body":"is interesting going through life as someone who doesn't eat animals is like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3456.33,"endTime":3460.67,"body":"i think it really goes to show like how respectful you are and open you are"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3460.67,"endTime":3466.77,"body":"to like other people's opinions and lifestyles um because like i've had a lot,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3467.05,"endTime":3471.07,"body":"and I mean a lot of people, including my dad, make jokes about,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3471.07,"endTime":3472.59,"body":"like, hiding meat in my food."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3472.77,"endTime":3473.01,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3473.27,"endTime":3475.17,"body":"Which is, like, I think..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3475.85,"endTime":3478.87,"body":"It's really shitty in a way. And I feel like if you're making that joke,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3478.99,"endTime":3483.03,"body":"it kind of shows that you're unwilling to have empathy for someone who doesn't eat meat."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3483.29,"endTime":3483.45,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3483.77,"endTime":3487.87,"body":"You know what I mean? Because it's like, that's a hard moral boundary for me."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3488.01,"endTime":3490.79,"body":"Like, I don't eat animals for ethical reasons."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3491.21,"endTime":3495.95,"body":"So just be like, just having someone that's like respectful and understanding"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3495.95,"endTime":3498.29,"body":"of like my personal belief system. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3498.47,"endTime":3502.03,"body":"I think is, I think is a manly thing. And it's also being a good person."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3502.31,"endTime":3507.19,"body":"Yeah, definitely. So there was an interesting study about a lot of this stuff,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3507.19,"endTime":3510.89,"body":"actually, back in 2012. It was called Real Men Don't Eat Quiche,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3511.01,"endTime":3512.79,"body":"and it was like vegetable quiche was in parentheses."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3513.13,"endTime":3515.53,"body":"So real men don't eat vegetable quiche. And it was all about,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3515.53,"endTime":3521.65,"body":"like, men versus women and thinking about different foods and eating animals and stuff like that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3521.75,"endTime":3524.53,"body":"So there are a couple of interesting insights from there, and I'll link the study in the show notes."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3525.59,"endTime":3530.09,"body":"But one of the big takeaways was that men and women really approach the idea"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3530.09,"endTime":3531.39,"body":"of eating animals totally differently."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3531.39,"endTime":3535.67,"body":"So women were more willing to believe that animals did suffer,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3535.91,"endTime":3539.43,"body":"but they kind of disassociate from it and they prefer not to think about it."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3539.53,"endTime":3541.57,"body":"And that's kind of how they deal with eating the meat."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3542.17,"endTime":3545.25,"body":"Yeah. I thought that was pretty interesting."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3545.25,"endTime":3549.61,"body":"And I think if you're someone who's interacting with people that aren't yet vegan,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3550.11,"endTime":3554.83,"body":"pre-vegans, if you will, like this is an interesting point because it kind of"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3554.83,"endTime":3559.95,"body":"can inform how you might interact with those people or like things that you"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3559.95,"endTime":3562.75,"body":"might say to get them to flip the switch kind of thing."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3563.27,"endTime":3563.39,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3563.39,"endTime":3570.83,"body":"I also, as a woman in society that hates us, I think this kind of makes sense to me because like, um,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3571.43,"endTime":3575.39,"body":"you know, like just women medicine, like medicine around women is health and"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3575.39,"endTime":3580.19,"body":"healthcare around women is, is very, very bad, particularly in the U S I don't"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3580.19,"endTime":3583.11,"body":"live anywhere else, so I can't speak for that. Yeah. Um, but it's like."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3583.9,"endTime":3586.54,"body":"I'll just give an example of, like, you're having really bad periods,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3586.72,"endTime":3588.62,"body":"right? Like, you're having, like, debilitating pain."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3588.78,"endTime":3592.46,"body":"Like, you can't get up five days of the month. And, like, it's horrible."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3592.52,"endTime":3596.06,"body":"And then you'll just have a doctor be like, yeah, I don't really believe you."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3596.14,"endTime":3597.24,"body":"But here's some Midol. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3597.48,"endTime":3599.74,"body":"Do you know what I mean? And, like, they don't want to go any further and figure"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3599.74,"endTime":3601.12,"body":"out, like, what's wrong with you and stuff."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3601.2,"endTime":3605.68,"body":"And so I feel like, as a woman, like, it's very easy for me to recognize that,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3605.68,"endTime":3607.64,"body":"like, animals are suffering."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3607.82,"endTime":3608.04,"body":"Right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3608.04,"endTime":3610.94,"body":"And even if we're not willing to acknowledge that as a society,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3610.94,"endTime":3615.0,"body":"because like as a society, we also don't acknowledge that like women suffer"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3615.0,"endTime":3617.32,"body":"in like health care, like health care is very behind."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3617.62,"endTime":3620.14,"body":"So like that kind of made that part made sense to me."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3620.36,"endTime":3623.46,"body":"Yeah. And now men, on the other hand, when they were talking about like how"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3623.46,"endTime":3629.5,"body":"they thought about eating meat, they were more likely to really lean into like pro meat idealism."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3629.72,"endTime":3632.4,"body":"Like they would basically deny that animals suffered at all."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3632.66,"endTime":3636.28,"body":"They were more willing to believe that animals were just like beneath humans."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3636.58,"endTime":3640.36,"body":"Yeah. They were fated to be eaten by humans. Like, that's just how it's supposed to be."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3641.22,"endTime":3644.68,"body":"They're even more likely to provide religious and health justifications."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3644.92,"endTime":3646.62,"body":"Yeah. Like, the women didn't really get into that."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3646.78,"endTime":3649.34,"body":"I actually think that makes so much sense, especially when we think back to"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3649.34,"endTime":3653.72,"body":"the statistic about, like, 70-ish percent of vegans being, like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3653.82,"endTime":3656.76,"body":"atheist, agnostic, or, like, they just don't have religious opinions."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3656.94,"endTime":3660.84,"body":"Yeah. Because I see the religious opinion around eating meat a lot."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3660.94,"endTime":3661.9,"body":"Oh, yeah. On social media."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3662.1,"endTime":3664.4,"body":"Like, that seems to be one of the things people are saying."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3664.4,"endTime":3667.82,"body":"Well, there are a lot of religions where it's like they have ceremonies and"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3667.82,"endTime":3672.66,"body":"rituals and, like, really strong practices around eating meat specifically."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3673.02,"endTime":3675.02,"body":"So I thought that one was kind of interesting because, like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3675.08,"endTime":3677.62,"body":"if you're not religious, obviously, you're not going to have those thoughts."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3677.92,"endTime":3681.2,"body":"But I also thought it was kind of interesting, the hierarchy piece,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3681.2,"endTime":3683.52,"body":"I found kind of interesting as a woman."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3683.86,"endTime":3687.64,"body":"Because, like, a lot of society, at least in the U.S., revolves around the idea"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3687.64,"endTime":3690.26,"body":"that women are, like, somehow beneath men."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3690.46,"endTime":3692.26,"body":"I don't think that's specific to the U.S."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3692.26,"endTime":3696.24,"body":"Yeah, there probably isn't, but, like, I feel awkward speaking about other countries"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3696.24,"endTime":3698.04,"body":"I haven't personally experienced."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3698.12,"endTime":3698.48,"body":"That's fair."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3699.2,"endTime":3699.84,"body":"But, like."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3700.23,"endTime":3704.61,"body":"You know, it's like male opinions matter more and men should automatically be"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3704.61,"endTime":3709.67,"body":"in positions of power over women, like whether in the workplace or like at home."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3710.29,"endTime":3716.07,"body":"Here's a great example. Before you had officially moved in and I owned our house"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3716.07,"endTime":3719.11,"body":"all by myself. My name is the only one on the deed."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3719.37,"endTime":3724.83,"body":"I bought our house. This motherfucking man comes up to the house trying to sell"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3724.83,"endTime":3729.09,"body":"some bullshit and was like, who's the king of the castle?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3729.35,"endTime":3730.03,"body":"King of the castle."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3730.23,"endTime":3735.33,"body":"Oh, man, that really pissed me off. But like, that's true. Just like in general,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3735.45,"endTime":3739.25,"body":"like if you had like when I was like living alone, like I'd have like like an"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3739.25,"endTime":3741.97,"body":"electrician or something come over and it's like, well, where's your husband?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3742.11,"endTime":3743.31,"body":"Can I speak to him? Or like."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3743.61,"endTime":3747.17,"body":"Yeah, well, we've had, you know, issues with our gas and stuff and the gas guys"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3747.17,"endTime":3750.73,"body":"will come out and they basically you're a fucking refinery engineer and they'll"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3750.73,"endTime":3753.67,"body":"barely even talk to you and they want to tell me a bunch of stuff I don't understand."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3753.97,"endTime":3757.91,"body":"I know. And like, I'll try talking to them and they won't even make eye contact with me."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3757.91,"endTime":3762.17,"body":"they're like locked in talking to you yeah but like that's just like how it"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3762.17,"endTime":3766.65,"body":"is in society like if you're a woman like you get talked down to and like you"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3766.65,"endTime":3770.35,"body":"know like men are just automatically seen as like smarter more capable stronger"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3770.35,"endTime":3773.89,"body":"whatever so like this doesn't surprise me at all that men also think they're"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3773.89,"endTime":3777.51,"body":"above animals yeah you know yeah that makes total sense to me yeah"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3777.51,"endTime":3781.83,"body":"So you know that's a lot of pretty depressing information so uh what can we"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3781.83,"endTime":3785.89,"body":"do the study actually did have some kind of, I guess, suggested approaches to"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3785.89,"endTime":3789.51,"body":"trying to get men to come around to eating less meat, more plants."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3789.95,"endTime":3794.39,"body":"One of them was that men are more likely to listen to women they're close to,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3794.55,"endTime":3796.09,"body":"like a significant other or a parent."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3796.27,"endTime":3800.49,"body":"So it recommended enlisting women as change agents to help men."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3800.59,"endTime":3804.83,"body":"And I think this is probably how most of the men that are vegan ended up there, to be honest. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3804.95,"endTime":3810.39,"body":"It's like they had a girlfriend or a wife or a partner, maybe their mom raise"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3810.39,"endTime":3813.39,"body":"them in a more like vegan vegetarian kind of way."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3813.51,"endTime":3815.55,"body":"And it has to be somebody who already has influence on them."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3815.69,"endTime":3817.51,"body":"Yes. Basically it was saying like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3818.08,"endTime":3821.84,"body":"obviously like men just in general aren't going to listen to like a random woman"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3821.84,"endTime":3824.0,"body":"Like definitely not about this right especially."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3824.0,"endTime":3827.12,"body":"Like if you don't even pay attention to the podcast like the main thing is like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3827.12,"endTime":3830.54,"body":"men listen to other men about what men should do yeah so like if you're just"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3830.54,"endTime":3834.84,"body":"a random woman you're not like super super close with this man they're not going"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3834.84,"endTime":3836.36,"body":"to listen to you so good luck with"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3836.36,"endTime":3839.26,"body":"That yeah definitely and um you can also kind"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3839.26,"endTime":3842.76,"body":"of start trying to deprogram some"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3842.76,"endTime":3845.78,"body":"of the the gender norm stuff in"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3845.78,"endTime":3848.94,"body":"general um like call call"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3848.94,"endTime":3851.92,"body":"out like the insults and the toxicity and stuff and you"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3851.92,"endTime":3855.18,"body":"know kind of a lot of what i'm trying to do yeah yeah podcast specifically but"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3855.18,"endTime":3859.0,"body":"you know uh just getting people out of that zone where"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3859.0,"endTime":3862.24,"body":"you know they're they're making these jokes they don't even really know why"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3862.24,"endTime":3864.66,"body":"they're making the jokes but they're just making other people feel bad because"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3864.66,"endTime":3867.14,"body":"they feel like that's what they're supposed to do like you see a guy eating"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3867.14,"endTime":3870.46,"body":"a salad and you're like oh i'm supposed to make fun of that guy because i'm"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3870.46,"endTime":3874.46,"body":"a man and like we're men and we make fun of We can just get away from that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3874.6,"endTime":3875.44,"body":"That would help everybody out."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3875.58,"endTime":3880.0,"body":"Yeah. I think even if you're not vegan or vegetarian or ever planning on doing"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3880.0,"endTime":3885.52,"body":"those things, you can be a good supportive man and ally to other men who are"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3885.52,"endTime":3887.76,"body":"by just simply not laughing at the joke."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3887.96,"endTime":3888.18,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3888.6,"endTime":3891.4,"body":"Right? Just don't laugh at the joke. I mean, I just..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3892.28,"endTime":3898.22,"body":"I, you know, I'm in my spiteful, vengeful vegan era, but like back when I was"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3898.22,"endTime":3900.8,"body":"like, um, a floor mat vegetarian,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3901.24,"endTime":3905.48,"body":"like I would just like placate people by being like, ha ha, you know,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3905.62,"endTime":3908.78,"body":"like act like I haven't heard the same stupid ass joke 50 times."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3908.78,"endTime":3911.0,"body":"And now I just don't. I don't laugh at it."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3911.08,"endTime":3913.82,"body":"I don't like I'm just like, wow, I haven't heard that one before."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3915.56,"endTime":3919.72,"body":"But like also, I think something really interesting that I read that I think"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3919.72,"endTime":3924.78,"body":"works pretty well, especially around sexist jokes or like just jokes that are"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3924.78,"endTime":3926.98,"body":"like picking on minorities, that kind of thing."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3926.98,"endTime":3930.74,"body":"um like punch down jokes basically is"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3930.74,"endTime":3935.76,"body":"like when they're said you make the person explain why it's funny yeah and you"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3935.76,"endTime":3938.74,"body":"just like stand on business and you're like no tell me why do you think that's"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3938.74,"endTime":3941.9,"body":"funny and i think it takes a lot of power out of the jokes and makes them feel"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3941.9,"endTime":3944.54,"body":"kind of silly and they're probably not going to say it as much anymore yeah"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3944.54,"endTime":3948.9,"body":"100 nobody wants to explain why they were being a dickhead yeah why their dick"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3948.9,"endTime":3950.72,"body":"bag joke is a dick bag joke yeah"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3951.43,"endTime":3952.83,"body":"I don't know. What do you think about that?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3953.01,"endTime":3957.19,"body":"No, I 100% agree. Like, I think I think a lot of people just have like an instinctual"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3957.19,"endTime":3960.61,"body":"reaction to like to make the joke or make the punch down or whatever."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3960.77,"endTime":3964.41,"body":"And I think if you call them out on that, then next time that comes up,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3964.53,"endTime":3966.57,"body":"their brain will be like, oh, well, last time that didn't go so well."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3967.07,"endTime":3969.55,"body":"Then you really not only that, but you think about like, OK,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3969.59,"endTime":3974.05,"body":"why did I why did I even feel that way? Right. I don't feel that way. So why did I say that?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3974.49,"endTime":3974.59,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3974.87,"endTime":3978.33,"body":"And then you start backing out of like, why am I saying a bunch of shit I don't actually believe?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3979.15,"endTime":3982.53,"body":"Right. And I think a lot of it comes back to like class clown energy."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3983.03,"endTime":3987.95,"body":"Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I'm just like here to entertain and like I'm making jokes I've heard before."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3988.19,"endTime":3991.37,"body":"And like, you know, I've seen other people laugh when this other guy made this"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3991.37,"endTime":3992.83,"body":"joke. So I'm going to make this joke."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":3993.05,"endTime":3993.25,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3993.47,"endTime":3995.95,"body":"But yeah, I think once you start like calling it out, it's like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3996.11,"endTime":3999.17,"body":"oh, well, I don't want to make jokes that no one's going to laugh at."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":3999.31,"endTime":4000.97,"body":"Now I'm in an uncomfortable conversation."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4001.21,"endTime":4004.13,"body":"Right, exactly. Yeah, so when somebody says you can't build muscle or be healthy"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4004.13,"endTime":4007.19,"body":"on a vegan diet, you can counter that, help deprogram that. That's basically"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4007.19,"endTime":4009.73,"body":"what we do all day, every day at this point."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4010.27,"endTime":4014.63,"body":"Help your bros get out of that toxic masculinity cycle. It's like a cult."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4014.95,"endTime":4015.07,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4015.33,"endTime":4018.35,"body":"And there's a lot of more subtle ways, like just stuff you grew up with."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4018.43,"endTime":4021.09,"body":"But then there are also guys who are like in it. They're deep in it."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4021.09,"endTime":4024.39,"body":"They're like in the manosphere, red pill, whatever the hell is going on."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4024.51,"endTime":4029.07,"body":"They're signed up in some private group chat with a bunch of other guys who"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4029.07,"endTime":4031.21,"body":"can't figure out what they want in life and things like that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4031.89,"endTime":4035.17,"body":"Also, you have a pretty good strategy. You just force guys to eat tofu and pie."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4035.17,"endTime":4039.13,"body":"I make sure they don't have soy allergies. And then when there's like a work"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4039.13,"endTime":4041.27,"body":"potluck, I bring tofu pie."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4041.61,"endTime":4044.31,"body":"And nobody knows there's tofu in it. And then when they're like complimenting"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4044.31,"endTime":4048.93,"body":"me and they're like, man, this is like a really good pie. I'm like, you just ate tofu."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4049.23,"endTime":4049.43,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4049.93,"endTime":4050.87,"body":"Gotcha. Gotcha."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4053.13,"endTime":4057.21,"body":"And then they have to immediately go become a eunuch because they are worthless to the world."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4057.45,"endTime":4059.81,"body":"Yes. And they have to go vomit up their tofu pie."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4059.91,"endTime":4061.93,"body":"That's a real tragedy. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4062.93,"endTime":4066.41,"body":"All right. So that's pretty much it for the main topic. Hopefully we said some"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4066.41,"endTime":4067.25,"body":"things that made sense there."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4067.53,"endTime":4069.83,"body":"Yeah. If you have any opinions, we'd love to hear them because like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4069.91,"endTime":4071.31,"body":"obviously, we probably didn't cover everything."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4071.57,"endTime":4074.01,"body":"I have a feeling there are probably going to be opinions. I don't know if we'll"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4074.01,"endTime":4075.61,"body":"hear them, but I guarantee there will be opinions."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4075.85,"endTime":4076.71,"body":"I want to hear them."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4076.89,"endTime":4080.11,"body":"Yeah, for sure. Let's talk about our myth of the week. Myth of the week this"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4080.11,"endTime":4082.25,"body":"week is that you don't need to care about complete proteins at all."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4083.59,"endTime":4088.11,"body":"Boy, so I've been getting this comment on a lot of my videos and interactions"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4088.11,"endTime":4091.31,"body":"with people. I know you've been arguing about it on Reddit."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4091.63,"endTime":4092.45,"body":"Every day, pretty much."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4092.45,"endTime":4096.39,"body":"But it's like, for some reason, and I do know the reason, right?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4096.53,"endTime":4101.13,"body":"But like, there's a certain part of the vegan community that is like insistent"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4101.13,"endTime":4106.57,"body":"on complete proteins as like just an idea is a myth."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4107.13,"endTime":4108.97,"body":"Yeah. And I think it's because."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4109.25,"endTime":4110.21,"body":"Like they don't exist."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4110.39,"endTime":4112.91,"body":"Like they don't exist. Like the concept doesn't exist. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4113.23,"endTime":4115.63,"body":"Like all proteins are equal, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4116.41,"endTime":4118.83,"body":"Complete protein, incomplete protein, that's bullshit."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4119.11,"endTime":4119.25,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4119.73,"endTime":4124.61,"body":"And I kind of feel like this comes from just, like, not wanting to have those"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4124.61,"endTime":4128.73,"body":"conversations with omnivores that are like, well, I want to eat meat because"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4128.73,"endTime":4131.39,"body":"it's a complete protein. And so, like, it's easier to just say,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4131.51,"endTime":4132.99,"body":"oh, that's a bunch of bullshit."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4133.19,"endTime":4136.99,"body":"Right. That doesn't exist than to, like, have to provide data and have,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4137.09,"endTime":4138.99,"body":"like, longer conversations. Yeah. You know?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4139.13,"endTime":4143.07,"body":"It's a big overcorrection. You know, we have the one side that's like,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4143.57,"endTime":4146.55,"body":"vegan's protein is terrible because it's not complete protein."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4146.75,"endTime":4149.65,"body":"Yeah. So then we have like people on the vegan side who swing all the way back"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4149.65,"endTime":4152.27,"body":"and they're like, well, complete proteins are a hoax. So it doesn't matter."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4152.59,"endTime":4156.35,"body":"Yeah. It's like, that's also not right. We need to land on like the facts here."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4156.59,"endTime":4159.99,"body":"Yeah. And I'm getting the same thing of like, um, you actually,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4160.21,"endTime":4161.81,"body":"nobody can be protein deficient."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4161.93,"endTime":4165.19,"body":"Like that's impossible, which is also, you know, not true."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4165.37,"endTime":4169.47,"body":"Like it might be like an unlikely scenario, but that doesn't mean it can't happen."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4169.65,"endTime":4172.65,"body":"Sure. Yeah. There's obviously some truth to it or there wouldn't be a stigma around it."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4173.11,"endTime":4175.05,"body":"So like, let's get into why that's a myth."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4175.77,"endTime":4182.23,"body":"So the reality is, as far as complete proteins go, a lot of people can basically largely ignore that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4182.39,"endTime":4185.39,"body":"Like, if you're just, if you're not really losing weight, if you don't really"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4185.39,"endTime":4187.35,"body":"go to the gym, you're just eating food."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4187.59,"endTime":4189.49,"body":"Yeah, in a maintenance or a surplus."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4189.83,"endTime":4193.35,"body":"Yeah, you can probably not even think about this. And that's not because they"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4193.35,"endTime":4197.03,"body":"don't exist. It's because you're going to get the complete proteins you need anyway."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4197.39,"endTime":4199.83,"body":"Yeah, with like a few caveats, though, right?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4199.99,"endTime":4203.27,"body":"Yeah, so there are several specific groups that should pay attention."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4203.27,"endTime":4206.87,"body":"And the problem is, like, just this blanket dismissal of they don't matter at"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4206.87,"endTime":4209.45,"body":"all really sets them up for failure."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4211.47,"endTime":4215.81,"body":"So not everybody, and, you know, a lot of this argument is I think some people shortcut."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4216.97,"endTime":4220.59,"body":"They know some things about protein. And so they say, like, okay,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4220.63,"endTime":4223.75,"body":"I know some things about protein, and you don't need to worry about complete proteins."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4223.91,"endTime":4229.07,"body":"Yeah. So the problem is like not everybody has a level of nutritional knowledge"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4229.07,"endTime":4234.15,"body":"to where they can really apply that or navigate what they need to do with their diet."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4234.33,"endTime":4238.71,"body":"Especially if you're a new vegan and you've been living off of like your standard"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4238.71,"endTime":4240.99,"body":"like meat and dairy protein sources most of your life."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4241.17,"endTime":4245.25,"body":"Like there is a learning curve. You do need to learn some stuff nutritionally to be successful."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4245.53,"endTime":4248.23,"body":"And if you know nothing nutritionally and you start being a vegan,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4248.25,"endTime":4250.85,"body":"you're like, okay, food is food. I'll eat food. I'm not hungry."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4251.07,"endTime":4253.73,"body":"Like I'm not losing weight. I'm good. You're just, like, eating your favorite"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4253.73,"endTime":4254.97,"body":"junk foods over and over, whatever."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4255.41,"endTime":4257.97,"body":"Maybe you're missing a bunch of nutrients. Maybe you're not getting any protein,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4258.03,"endTime":4260.09,"body":"but you don't know any better. You just don't know at that point."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4260.23,"endTime":4264.13,"body":"I'll tell you what. If I... So now, when I was vegetarian, I didn't really eat,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4264.13,"endTime":4266.77,"body":"like, tofu. I just, like, rarely would eat tofu."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4267.01,"endTime":4271.03,"body":"Yeah. A lot of my protein came from, like, Greek yogurt, eggs, whatever."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4271.49,"endTime":4271.67,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4271.91,"endTime":4275.65,"body":"If I were to just simply pluck those from my diet..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4276.15,"endTime":4279.93,"body":"I would have been protein deficient. I can guarantee you that because,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4280.11,"endTime":4282.81,"body":"like, I was not making up that protein any other way."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4282.95,"endTime":4286.01,"body":"Like, if I had just, like, pulled out the foods I couldn't eat and not replaced"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4286.01,"endTime":4288.57,"body":"them with different foods, I would have been protein deficient."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4288.73,"endTime":4291.77,"body":"Yeah. Because, I mean, there's, like, very little protein than some of the other stuff."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4291.95,"endTime":4294.07,"body":"Yeah. I mean, I was just, like, eating bread, you know? Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4294.29,"endTime":4299.47,"body":"And so, definitionally, complete protein basically means, so there are nine"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4299.47,"endTime":4302.11,"body":"essential amino acids. We've covered this in some of the earlier episodes."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4302.57,"endTime":4306.89,"body":"Amino acids are what make up protein. The nine being essential means that your"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4306.89,"endTime":4308.49,"body":"body can't make them. You have to get them from food."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4308.79,"endTime":4315.29,"body":"So a complete protein is when you have those nine in the same or more of kind"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4315.29,"endTime":4317.87,"body":"of a ratio to each other as human muscle, effectively."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4318.33,"endTime":4322.63,"body":"So there are some things like seitan that has like eight of the nine are pretty"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4322.63,"endTime":4325.83,"body":"much above the threshold. But then you have lysine, which is pretty low."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4326.11,"endTime":4328.97,"body":"So eight of the nine are fine. Lysine is pretty low."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4329.27,"endTime":4331.33,"body":"That makes seitan not a complete protein."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4331.51,"endTime":4332.83,"body":"Unless you have tofu in it, right?"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4333.43,"endTime":4337.25,"body":"Well, yeah. I'm just saying. But yeah, just like the most basic seitan."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4337.45,"endTime":4340.49,"body":"Yeah, wheat, actually. Just generally wheat is in this situation."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4340.65,"endTime":4341.79,"body":"So wheat is low on lysine."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4342.35,"endTime":4346.59,"body":"So wheat on its own is not a complete protein. That doesn't mean that wheat"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4346.59,"endTime":4351.15,"body":"is worthless because it still has plenty of all the other eight essential amino acids."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4351.47,"endTime":4355.09,"body":"So really, you would just have to make sure that you had some lysine and some"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4355.09,"endTime":4357.79,"body":"of your other food throughout the day to make sure you were getting enough lysine."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4358.23,"endTime":4365.39,"body":"Yeah. And I think a lot of where this myth is coming from is that people used to say you have to have,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4365.57,"endTime":4369.61,"body":"like, basically you have to pair proteins at every meal and get like a complete"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4369.61,"endTime":4374.69,"body":"protein profile at every meal you're eating. And that has been debunked."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4374.69,"endTime":4380.51,"body":"Yeah, for most people, I will say if you're like really trying to build muscle,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4380.69,"endTime":4383.21,"body":"you're a bodybuilder, you're an athlete or something like that,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4383.35,"endTime":4388.01,"body":"then you're probably going to care about something called the leucine trigger, leucine threshold,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4388.29,"endTime":4391.67,"body":"which means you want to get two and a half to three grams of leucine in every"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4391.67,"endTime":4396.41,"body":"meal a few times a day to trigger muscle protein synthesis, which is where you grow muscle."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4396.89,"endTime":4399.75,"body":"In those situations, it is probably optimal for..."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4400.39,"endTime":4403.63,"body":"a couple times a day to make sure you have all"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4403.63,"endTime":4406.51,"body":"the amino acids like a complete protein up to like"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4406.51,"endTime":4409.29,"body":"as a vegan probably like 40 grams at a time so you're getting"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4409.29,"endTime":4412.57,"body":"two to three grams of leucine and you're getting the other amino acids that"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4412.57,"endTime":4415.55,"body":"help build the muscle along with it other than that like specific scenario where"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4415.55,"endTime":4419.03,"body":"you really care about optimizing yeah you don't really need to combine in every"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4419.03,"endTime":4422.95,"body":"meal because so you have wheat for breakfast yeah and then you have something"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4422.95,"endTime":4428.89,"body":"else for lunch like the lysine that you have in lunch is going to get like combined with the,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4429.51,"endTime":4431.81,"body":"protein that didn't really have much lysine that you had for breakfast."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4432.13,"endTime":4435.19,"body":"And then your muscle is going to be able to use all nine of those together to"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4435.19,"endTime":4438.49,"body":"do some of what it needs throughout the day. Right. It's just not going to be quite as much muscle."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4438.65,"endTime":4441.51,"body":"And we're talking about like very little every day, right? But not quite as"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4441.51,"endTime":4443.65,"body":"much muscle as if you had had complete protein for breakfast,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4443.83,"endTime":4445.47,"body":"complete protein for lunch, complete protein for dinner."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4445.97,"endTime":4449.05,"body":"But you're not going to run into like an actual protein deficiency. Right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4449.25,"endTime":4453.97,"body":"This is more for like optimizing. Right. But you still do need to have all of those like daily."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4454.29,"endTime":4458.23,"body":"Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you do need them all. That's why they're called essential."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4458.23,"endTime":4462.87,"body":"Anytime you see something in a nutrition called essential, that means your body can't make it."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4462.97,"endTime":4466.27,"body":"You must get it through food to not run into an actual medical issue."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4466.39,"endTime":4467.23,"body":"But like this is where."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4468.05,"endTime":4471.69,"body":"I think it kind of drives me insane, right? Because, like, just hand-waving"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4471.69,"endTime":4474.83,"body":"away the, like, oh, well, then it doesn't matter anymore."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4475.19,"endTime":4479.69,"body":"I think it really leaves out a group of people that, like, maybe their natural"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4479.69,"endTime":4482.67,"body":"eating habits would not have them have all of them."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4482.81,"endTime":4483.69,"body":"Yeah, definitely."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4483.69,"endTime":4486.45,"body":"You know what I mean? Like, I'm thinking about someone who's in a deficit,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4486.45,"endTime":4491.67,"body":"who's already, like, probably having trouble getting just the protein in general."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4491.83,"endTime":4492.03,"body":"Right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4492.03,"endTime":4495.35,"body":"That they need every day with the limited calories, like that person may have"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4495.35,"endTime":4500.21,"body":"issues getting like a complete protein in the quantity they need."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4500.31,"endTime":4502.27,"body":"Especially if you're in a pretty big deficit, like you found some of the new"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4502.27,"endTime":4506.05,"body":"GLP-1 drugs. Those will have people in a pretty big deficit and you're probably"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4506.05,"endTime":4508.17,"body":"going to want to concentrate on protein pretty hard."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4508.57,"endTime":4513.11,"body":"Yeah. Or like if in general you're just not eating much protein anyways,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4513.11,"endTime":4517.43,"body":"like you're just kind of like on the lower end of like what you really need"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4517.43,"endTime":4519.93,"body":"to eat to not go protein deficient."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4519.93,"endTime":4524.55,"body":"Yeah, if you're a vegan kind of flirting around the RDA and you're only eating"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4524.55,"endTime":4528.71,"body":"wheat a lot, you might run into some issues potentially. So just try to be a"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4528.71,"endTime":4529.49,"body":"little more well-rounded."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4529.91,"endTime":4531.79,"body":"And then I will say like there..."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4532.39,"endTime":4535.97,"body":"I am one of these people, someone who tends to eat the same things over and over again."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4536.07,"endTime":4540.65,"body":"And I know this is also like true in the like neuro atypical group of people."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4540.83,"endTime":4543.27,"body":"Like, you know, you might have like some safe foods that like,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4543.39,"endTime":4546.75,"body":"this is all I want to eat. And I, this is all I want to eat for a month."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4546.89,"endTime":4548.15,"body":"Right. And I get like that."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4548.53,"endTime":4552.71,"body":"Like if I didn't have a food blog, I'd be serving you those same three things."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4552.85,"endTime":4556.43,"body":"Yeah. For meals every day, because that's just like how I am."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4556.57,"endTime":4559.73,"body":"Like I just like get in like a food thing where it's like, I just only want"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4559.73,"endTime":4563.51,"body":"to eat this, this and this. but like if you're doing that and you're not and"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4563.51,"endTime":4567.27,"body":"soy is not one of those things like you could definitely get in a situation"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4567.27,"endTime":4569.91,"body":"where you're like in a bad way right"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4569.91,"endTime":4572.89,"body":"Yeah that's definitely true um also athletes who hire"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4572.89,"endTime":4575.89,"body":"protein targets so it's kind of interesting you're in a situation where you"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4575.89,"endTime":4579.99,"body":"have a relatively high protein target in general you're also kind of circling"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4579.99,"endTime":4582.73,"body":"back around till you probably don't have to care about this because you're probably"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4582.73,"endTime":4587.47,"body":"getting enough to create what's called a muscle full effect basically so a couple"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4587.47,"endTime":4591.87,"body":"times a day and muscle gets all the amino acids it needs for that session of building muscle. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4592.17,"endTime":4595.09,"body":"Whatever. Kind of technical. But basically, if you're getting enough total protein"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4595.09,"endTime":4598.35,"body":"a day, like you have a high target, you're back to not really having to micromanage"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4598.35,"endTime":4600.47,"body":"the complete proteins because you're just getting it incidentally."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4600.97,"endTime":4601.13,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4601.81,"endTime":4604.79,"body":"And anybody who really heavily relies on a single protein source,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4604.89,"endTime":4607.05,"body":"and you actually see this a lot with people who have allergies."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4607.25,"endTime":4611.01,"body":"Like if somebody has a soy allergy and like a nut allergy or something like"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4611.01,"endTime":4614.57,"body":"that, there are a lot of people we see like in Threads conversations and Reddit"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4614.57,"endTime":4617.31,"body":"and talking to them directly and stuff where they have a lot of allergies."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4617.31,"endTime":4621.57,"body":"and for whatever reason, that means they had to eat a lot of seitan to get their protein."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4621.57,"endTime":4622.53,"body":"Yeah, or like pea protein."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4622.69,"endTime":4627.17,"body":"Right. And so seitan, again, being wheat, pea protein, being pea,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4627.47,"endTime":4629.23,"body":"neither of those are complete proteins on their own."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4629.93,"endTime":4634.73,"body":"So if you're getting like 60 to 70% of your protein every day from a single"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4634.73,"endTime":4639.03,"body":"incomplete protein source, you know, you're not really getting as much as you"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4639.03,"endTime":4639.81,"body":"think you are technically."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4640.21,"endTime":4643.85,"body":"So you might want to make sure that there's something in your diet."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4643.95,"endTime":4648.05,"body":"Like if you're somebody who eats a lot of seitan every day, find a source of"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4648.05,"endTime":4651.23,"body":"lysine in your diet that you can tolerate that you can have and I would just"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4651.23,"endTime":4653.09,"body":"make sure you're also eating that every day yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4653.84,"endTime":4657.9,"body":"And I think, um, so I had a back and forth with someone the other day and they"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4657.9,"endTime":4661.3,"body":"were, and I was basically bringing up like, yeah, some people will eat like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4661.3,"endTime":4662.86,"body":"the same thing every day. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4663.04,"endTime":4666.22,"body":"You know, and they were like, well, no reasonable person would do this."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4666.36,"endTime":4670.66,"body":"And it's, and it's like, yeah, you don't have to be unreasonable to have a favorite"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4670.66,"endTime":4675.88,"body":"food or to like not have enough nutrition knowledge to get into this situation,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4675.88,"endTime":4680.42,"body":"which is why we should stop spreading misinformation and start just providing"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4680.42,"endTime":4682.68,"body":"facts that people can actually live based on."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4682.68,"endTime":4686.26,"body":"Yeah. And people with, you know, who really want to be vegan,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4686.4,"endTime":4690.5,"body":"who have like the allergies or they have IBD or some kind of other GI thing,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4690.74,"endTime":4694.8,"body":"like they can end up in like situations where they can only tolerate a few foods."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4694.92,"endTime":4699.58,"body":"So they're eating basically the same, maybe five to 10 foods every day."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4699.74,"endTime":4702.76,"body":"Yeah. So they need to make sure that those five to 10 foods cover everything."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4703.16,"endTime":4708.14,"body":"Right. I just think, you know, in general, we don't have to trick people into"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4708.14,"endTime":4712.04,"body":"being vegan by leaving out crucial and valuable information."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4712.04,"endTime":4712.46,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4712.84,"endTime":4716.58,"body":"Because the data is on our side, like there are ways to handle this across the board."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4717.14,"endTime":4722.48,"body":"You know, I think we as a group need to stop spreading misinformation that could"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4722.48,"endTime":4725.3,"body":"be potentially harmful to somebody that doesn't understand this stuff."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4725.3,"endTime":4728.64,"body":"Yeah. You don't have to resort to, like, dismissing things or saying things"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4728.64,"endTime":4732.82,"body":"aren't important because, like, the reality of things and how things are scientifically,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4733.16,"endTime":4736.56,"body":"like, all the things still point to veganism as, like, the better choice."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4736.76,"endTime":4737.0,"body":"Right."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4737.26,"endTime":4740.56,"body":"You can still say, okay, yeah, complete proteins are important."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4740.86,"endTime":4744.48,"body":"And, yeah, vegan protein sources are slightly lower quality than animal sources."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4745.2,"endTime":4749.8,"body":"you can still get everything you need using vegan protein sources and you can"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4749.8,"endTime":4753.06,"body":"still be you know an elite level athlete with vegan protein sources so like"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4753.06,"endTime":4757.22,"body":"that's not really a thing we need to hand wave away we just say yeah that's"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4757.22,"endTime":4758.56,"body":"a thing some people might need"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4758.56,"endTime":4761.68,"body":"to deal with it here's how you deal with it boom it's done yeah exactly."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4761.68,"endTime":4765.78,"body":"Instead of saying like complete protein sources and incomplete protein sources aren't a thing"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4765.78,"endTime":4766.88,"body":"Yeah give."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4766.88,"endTime":4769.64,"body":"Useful information on like here's how you can"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4769.64,"endTime":4772.3,"body":"get those on a vegan diet right it's actually not that"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4772.3,"endTime":4777.42,"body":"hard right you know like and instead of saying like nobody can be protein deficient"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4777.42,"endTime":4782.96,"body":"on a vegan diet or otherwise say it's actually you know really easy to get your"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4782.96,"endTime":4786.4,"body":"protein on a vegan diet yeah because we have all that data we have all that"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4786.4,"endTime":4790.04,"body":"information everything is backed you don't need to like make shit"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4790.04,"endTime":4792.68,"body":"Up and that makes people feel a lot better when they're trying to transition"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4792.68,"endTime":4797.64,"body":"like when i was starting to look into you know the details of what i would maybe"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4797.64,"endTime":4799.54,"body":"need or be missing when i went vegan and,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4800.03,"endTime":4803.27,"body":"You know, if I had read initially that it's like, oh, yeah, you don't have to"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4803.27,"endTime":4805.57,"body":"care about protein. I'd be like, that doesn't fucking sound right."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4805.65,"endTime":4807.47,"body":"Right. I'm a little hesitant now."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4807.53,"endTime":4810.51,"body":"And if you Google it, you're going to have like thousands of articles saying"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4810.51,"endTime":4814.27,"body":"it's a real thing. So you look like a delusional crackpot saying that."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4814.49,"endTime":4817.79,"body":"But on the flip side, when I come across like when I came across the information,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4817.95,"endTime":4821.01,"body":"it was like, OK, yeah, here's how complete proteins work."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4821.23,"endTime":4824.91,"body":"Here's how vegans might need to adjust their protein intake to adjust for not eating animal foods."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4825.01,"endTime":4829.87,"body":"I was like, OK, well, this is easy. And it makes sense. So this is fine. I'm fine."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4830.03,"endTime":4833.65,"body":"Yeah. And you felt a lot like more sure in your decision to try it."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4833.75,"endTime":4835.51,"body":"Like you thought, okay, I'm not going to get sick."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4835.61,"endTime":4835.75,"body":"Right."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4836.05,"endTime":4838.97,"body":"See, that's the thing I don't like is like when we wave off these concerns and"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4838.97,"endTime":4841.73,"body":"we're just like, yeah, don't worry about that. And don't worry about that. Don't look over here."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4842.01,"endTime":4846.01,"body":"It's like, that doesn't make anyone feel better. Yeah. That makes me feel like you're lying to me."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4846.17,"endTime":4848.75,"body":"Well, imagine if you were like in an electronic store and you were trying to"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4848.75,"endTime":4852.09,"body":"buy a TV and you're like, hey, this button on the remote control doesn't work."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4852.39,"endTime":4854.31,"body":"The sales guy is just like, yeah, don't worry about that."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4854.55,"endTime":4856.63,"body":"Yeah. You don't need that button. And you're like, I don't even know what the"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4856.63,"endTime":4859.35,"body":"button's for. Are you sure? Why is it on this remote? Right."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4859.59,"endTime":4864.15,"body":"So compare that to he's like, oh, yeah, that button is a programmable button."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4864.27,"endTime":4866.33,"body":"It doesn't do anything until you program it to do something."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4866.53,"endTime":4868.25,"body":"But when you program it, it can do whatever you want."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4868.51,"endTime":4871.39,"body":"Yeah. Which one of those approaches is going to make you feel better about buying this TV?"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4871.53,"endTime":4873.75,"body":"Exactly. Yeah. Yes. Give me all the information."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4874.65,"endTime":4874.99,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4875.21,"endTime":4880.03,"body":"We like we as a group of vegans, we need to stop pushing misinformation."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4880.19,"endTime":4884.89,"body":"It is literally just as bad is what the omnivores are doing to counter vegan arguments."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4885.23,"endTime":4889.39,"body":"Like, it's just, I don't want to say unethical, but it's a little smarmy, man."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4889.57,"endTime":4890.15,"body":"It's a little smarmy, yeah."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4890.31,"endTime":4893.21,"body":"You could put someone in a dangerous spot by telling them things don't matter"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4893.21,"endTime":4894.49,"body":"that do actually matter."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4894.75,"endTime":4898.17,"body":"Yeah, definitely if you're talking, like, because you don't know what people's dietary situation is."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4898.25,"endTime":4900.39,"body":"So, like, there have been people where I tried to give, you know,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4900.43,"endTime":4903.87,"body":"some advice, and they're like, oh, that makes sense, but I actually got this"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4903.87,"endTime":4905.89,"body":"and this and this and this, and I can't do that and that and that. Right."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4906.03,"endTime":4908.21,"body":"So, I'm like, okay, well, if you would have followed that first advice,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4908.39,"endTime":4910.99,"body":"like, that wouldn't have gone very well. So, like, I'm glad this is a conversation."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4911.45,"endTime":4914.79,"body":"Yeah, yeah, exactly. I think it's just and I think um"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4915.29,"endTime":4918.85,"body":"Anyone who is throwing out stuff like this saying like, oh, complete proteins"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4918.85,"endTime":4921.95,"body":"don't matter. And like, you don't have to worry about protein on any diet."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4922.11,"endTime":4924.15,"body":"Like in the West, you can't be protein deficient."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4924.41,"endTime":4928.43,"body":"Think about like who is reading your comments, too, because like especially"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4928.43,"endTime":4932.49,"body":"if you have a vegan account and like you have maybe some followers or like you"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4932.49,"endTime":4933.59,"body":"post about vegan content."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4933.77,"endTime":4936.95,"body":"You might have like vegan curious people who are reading your comment and like"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4936.95,"endTime":4940.83,"body":"taking what you're saying at face value. And they might have situations in which"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4940.83,"endTime":4946.13,"body":"like those things do apply to them. And you might be putting them in a dangerous spot health-wise."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4946.37,"endTime":4947.19,"body":"Right. Absolutely."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4947.47,"endTime":4948.61,"body":"So stop lying."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4950.05,"endTime":4952.87,"body":"Yeah. So, I mean, there are some people who need to care about complete proteins."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4953.05,"endTime":4954.69,"body":"Some people who probably don't need to think about it as much."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4955.41,"endTime":4959.65,"body":"Just, you know, determining which one of those people you are is really all you need to do."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4959.79,"endTime":4960.09,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4960.45,"endTime":4963.29,"body":"And go from there. All right. Well, I think that's all we have for this week."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4963.41,"endTime":4964.41,"body":"Appreciate everybody listening."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4964.61,"endTime":4968.23,"body":"Hopefully this wasn't too soapboxy for me on this toxic masculinity stuff."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4968.43,"endTime":4969.85,"body":"This really grinds my gears."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4970.27,"endTime":4976.33,"body":"So, yeah. Um, if you want to hang out with us in discord, we've got our deficient"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4976.33,"endTime":4979.27,"body":"vegans discord down in the show notes. You can come tell us what you think."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4979.65,"endTime":4983.81,"body":"And also we have websites and social media down there. You can come reach out"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4983.81,"endTime":4985.61,"body":"or read some of the stuff we have going on."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4985.87,"endTime":4989.45,"body":"Um, if you're on Apple podcast or Spotify, if you could rate and review,"},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4989.47,"endTime":4990.59,"body":"that really helps us out a lot."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4990.71,"endTime":4993.61,"body":"And then if you are listening on YouTube or Spotify, you can leave us a comment."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":4993.73,"endTime":4994.67,"body":"We really appreciate it."},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4994.79,"endTime":4997.83,"body":"And if you want like a synthesized version of some of the topics we're talking"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":4997.83,"endTime":5001.87,"body":"about, We started posting like posts on TikTok and Instagram that kind of,"},{"speaker":"Protein Deficient Vegan","startTime":5001.97,"endTime":5006.73,"body":"it's like a carousel, like a bunch of different slides kind of reviewing what we talked about."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5006.89,"endTime":5009.83,"body":"That's on the Deficient Vegans account, right? Yeah. Yeah. Cool."},{"speaker":"Muscle Deficient Vegan","startTime":5010.11,"endTime":5013.09,"body":"All right. Well, I think that's it. Do you want to say bye? Bye, guys. Bye, everybody."}]}